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ORAL HISTORY OF GLORIA WOODALL
Interviewed by Keith McDaniel
December 11, 2013
MR. MCDANIEL: This is Keith McDaniel and today is December 11, 2013, and I am in Oak Ridge with Gloria Henderson Woodall. Gloria, thank you so much for taking time to talk with us.
MRS. WOODALL: Well, thank you. I just loved being in... living in Oak Ridge as a child and love talking about it.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, then, let's talk about that. You ... You were born in Oak Ridge, I understand... Oh, you weren't?
MRS. WOODALL: No, I was not.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, let's start with where you were born and raised, something about your family.
MRS. WOODALL: I was born in 1946 in Ironton, Missouri. My parents both were born and raised in that same area, but they did not know each other until they were out of high school. They met on a hike. They met... two different groups and they met up on Pilot Knob outside of Ironton. And this... The families lived in that region because they worked in the lead mines.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: That was the Lead Belt at the time and a lot of mining. Dad and Mom, let's see, they ... They dated, this was in 1941.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: When they met and they started dating immediately, mostly hiking, horseback rides. I've got a wonderful picture of Mom sitting in a cafe. Dad was a photographer and had... he just photographed everything, their outings and... I'm remembering that it was 1941 but it was before Pearl Harbor had happened.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, it was... Right, right.
MRS. WOODALL: And Dad was drafted and he was already in the service and had been sent to Jefferson Barracks up near St. Louis and he and Mom saw each other once before he was sent over to ... He was sent to Hawaii.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: That's where he was stationed for the four years that he was in the Army.
MR. MCDANIEL: Is that right? After Pearl...?
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, Pearl Harbor happened, I don't exactly remember where he was that day but he was already in the Army and away.
MR. MCDANIEL: He was already in the service, right.
MRS. WOODALL: But what's always...
MR. MCDANIEL: So he was... where'd he serve? Did he serve at Hickam Field? Was it Hickam Field in Hawaii?
MRS. WOODALL: He was in a hospital that had... that was a... had been a college, St. Louis College at Honolulu.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, is that right?
MRS. WOODALL: He worked there for the four years he was in the military. It was turned into a military hospital to serve the Pacific Theater, they called it. And he was an electrician.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: So, he did a lot of electronics repair work. He worked on radios. He never... Daddy wouldn't talk about his time in the service and he never took us to Hawaii later. (laughs)
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, you know, the reason I say that is because that's where my dad served during those same years.
MRS. WOODALL: Really? Hawaii?
MR. MCDANIEL: Hawaii. And ...
MRS. WOODALL: That's neat!
MR. MCDANIEL: After Pearl, he went there after Pearl Harbor and was there probably at the same time your dad was there.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, wow.
MR. MCDANIEL: So, I just wondered... So... So he was in the service ...
MRS. WOODALL: And Mom was back home. She just kept working for those entire four years, she has told me through the years -- my parents are both deceased now. Mama said she and Daddy wrote, exchanged letters every single day of those four years.
MR. MCDANIEL: Is that right?
MRS. WOODALL: That's how they got acquainted, that's how they became engaged. Daddy mailed an engagement ring...
MR. MCDANIEL: Really? Wow.
MRS. WOODALL: ...to her. She always laughed about the letters because the censors just chewed all over them, she said. They looked like they'd been eaten by a mouse... mice.
MR. MCDANIEL: So... So they had only ... They had only met a few times, I guess, before ...
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, and dated for two or three months before he left. So anyway, he got home in December of '45. They got married January the 2nd of 1946 and 10 months later, I was born.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: So he didn't... He and Mom didn't have much time to enjoy each other just as a couple.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure...
MRS. WOODALL: And then, a year and a half after I was born, my brother, Buddy, was born.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: He's Harry, Jr. Mom and Dad lived in Flat River, Missouri, which was Daddy's hometown.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: Until I was five years old. I went to kindergarten in Flat River...
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: ... at Emerson School and then, one day the recruiters came from Oak Ridge, from Union Carbide, looking for workers.
MR. MCDANIEL: And you said your dad was an electrician.
MRS. WOODALL: He was an electrician.
MR. MCDANIEL: What did he do in Missouri when he came back from the war?
MRS. WOODALL: He worked for the mining company. He was not... But Mom said he never went down into the mines.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And you'll notice most of my information comes from my Mom. Dad was very quiet; he didn't talk about his life, his past, to me.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: Even the good stuff, but he had thousands, what? couple thousand pictures...
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: ...that he had taken. Maybe not that many, but it seemed like it. Just gobs of them that he photographed with he and his buddies when they would not be on duty and they'd be on the beach or they'd be in town. He has pictures of one time when Bob Hope came over there for one of those shows that they did. I think he's got a photograph of Admiral Nimitz. They're tiny, though. I guess they could be blown up. We've never done that.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: What was the name of the Pacific Theater...? The head of the Navy...? Nimitz?
MR. MCDANIEL: Nimitz.
MRS. WOODALL: Admiral Nimitz, yeah. He took a lot of pictures that we were kind of surprised he had, actually, but...
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: So he was working for the mining company. I think he was working on just wiring and he may have worked in one of the shops above ground.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And then, when the recruiters came, Dad accepted a job and there were a whole lot of people from that region up there that were hired down here. Dad worked at Y-12 from 1952 until he retired when he was 65.
MR. MCDANIEL: Is that right? That was a big growth spurt for Y-12 in the '50s. They were ... They were... Who was it I interviewed just the other day? We talked about, a couple of people, we talked about this. They were, they had converted from the magnetic process of enriching uranium to more of a machine, machining, you know, shop, so there were lots of electricians and machinists and things such as that hired in the '50s for Y-12, so.
MRS. WOODALL: Well, I can believe it.
MR. MCDANIEL: So, '51. So, is that when you moved? You moved to Oak Ridge in '51?
MRS. WOODALL: Moved in '52.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, in '52.
MRS. WOODALL: We came here after I finished, I think we came in March. Right at the, when I finished kindergarten.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, is that right? Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: Daddy had come on down.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: I think on a bus with all the other guys and lived in one of the dorms for a brief time, and then he came back and got us.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: Me and my mom and brother.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right. And you were...? So how old were you came?
MRS. WOODALL: Five.
MR. MCDANIEL: You were five.
MRS. WOODALL: I was five.
MR. MCDANIEL: And your brother was three?
MRS. WOODALL: Three and a half.
MR. MCDANIEL: Three and a half, yeah. So, where did you live? Where did you live when you first came here?
MRS. WOODALL: We moved into a duplex, one of the TDUs, they call them, on Walsh Lane. 115 Walsh Lane.
MR. MCDANIEL: Now, where is that? Where is Walsh?
MRS. WOODALL: That's in the... That's in the Highland View school district.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok. That's right, that's right.
MRS. WOODALL: Off West Outer Drive near... Not that far... We could walk through the woods from the end of the lane over to Illinois Avenue.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok. Yeah, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: Those power lines that are there have kept it just, never... never was built up there.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: We had a lot of play area there. And we lived there until 1961 when we bought a house on Loyola Lane off of LaSalle off of Robertsville and it'd connect with Louisiana. By then we had another brother, Tommy, born in 1959.
MR. MCDANIEL: Louisiana, yeah... So... So where did you go to elementary school?
MRS. WOODALL: We were a Catholic family.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: And my brother and I went to St. Mary's School in Oak Ridge.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, did you? Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: Yes. And I can't say enough good about that experience.
MR. MCDANIEL: Really?
MRS. WOODALL: It was wonderful.
MR. MCDANIEL: Now, how long has St. Mary's, the school, been there? Has it been there since the war?
MRS. WOODALL: It was a year old when I started school.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: I think 1951 is when, I'm pretty sure, is when the school started.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: And so, 1952, I was a young ... five, I wouldn't be six until November of that year.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right. Yeah.
MRS. WOODALL: But started first grade.
MR. MCDANIEL: That's the way they used to do it. That's the way I did it. I was five when I started and I wasn't six until... I was... Until November, myself, when I started school.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, ok. What year were you born? Or which day?
MR. MCDANIEL: November 21st.
MRS. WOODALL: Mine's November 4th.
MR. MCDANIEL: But, so you started there when you were five to go to the first grade there.
MRS. WOODALL: Yes.
MR. MCDANIEL: And was it ...? Did it go through the eighth grade?
MRS. WOODALL: It did. It did.
MR. MCDANIEL: So did you go all the way...
MRS. WOODALL: All the way through eighth grade and, you talk about the hiring, how many people were being hired that there was sort of a bubble. There were so many children. I've always remembered... I just took it for granted, really, but there were children everywhere in our neighborhood. Plenty of kids to play with and at St. Mary's there were over 30 children in the classroom.
MR. MCDANIEL: Wow.
MRS. WOODALL: And our... The school was small and from first grade through eighth grade, I went through with the same set of kids, pretty much.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: And that, looking back on it through the years, I've really appreciated that.
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah.
MRS. WOODALL: Had the same friends, there was so much continuity. And it was a well-run school. The teachers were, most of them, were nuns.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And they were all very strict but very kind. There was a lot of structure. It was a calm school; it was, I think, a really good education. I look back on it with some amount of nostalgia.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: I think our children had a good education in the public schools, but...
MR. MCDANIEL: Right. There's just something different about that, wasn't there?
MRS. WOODALL: There really was, and I think small schools, value based, strong values, Christian schools, schools like that, even today, are pretty appealing for a lot of the same reasons.
MR. MCDANIEL: You know, I got to thinking while you were talking there that that was kind of unique for East Tennessee to have a Catholic school.
MRS. WOODALL: Yes.
MR. MCDANIEL: Maybe outside of Knoxville, you know, probably there may have been one in Knoxville but there weren't any other smaller communities in East Tennessee that had Catholic schools that I'm aware of and I would imagine that was just due to the fact that the people that moved to Oak Ridge, many of them had Catholic backgrounds.
MRS. WOODALL: I think that's right, yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: And that wasn't... That really wasn't common in East Tennessee. Catholicism wasn't that common in East Tennessee.
MRS. WOODALL: Was not common. Right, right.
MR. MCDANIEL: So... And probably still not very common, I mean, it's more common than it was.
MRS. WOODALL: It's more common than it was. It has grown.
MR. MCDANIEL: But I remember that when I was growing up, even in the '60s, you know, so.
MRS. WOODALL: Right. I remember thinking that, and I was Catholic all the way until I got out of... got into college.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And then, I, even though I valued a lot of the things about Catholicism, and still do, about Catholicism, I disagreed with some of their major teachings and so, I changed.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure. Right, right. So... So what was it like growing up? So, this would have been ... This would have been the '50s and early '60s...
MRS. WOODALL: Fifties and early '60s, yeah, yeah...
MR. MCDANIEL: What was it like growing up in Oak Ridge during that time? What can you remember?
MRS. WOODALL: Playing outside, always having children to play with. I was a tomboy. My parents liked being outdoors.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, did they?
MRS. WOODALL: I learned to swim and to love the water from the time I was a toddler back in Missouri 'cause Daddy and Mom both loved being outdoors.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, obviously, they met on a hike on top of a mountain, you know.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right, that's right!
MR. MCDANIEL: Had to say something, so.
MRS. WOODALL: Between that and riding horses and then going to Black River was the beautiful river that everybody went to in that part of the state.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: And so, here in Oak Ridge we had the Oak Ridge swimming pool, which had a higher diving board back then, by the way, than it does now.
MR. MCDANIEL: Did it really?
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. It was higher.
MR. MCDANIEL: Was it really higher or did it just seem higher?
MRS. WOODALL: No, I think they changed it in more recent years.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: 'Cause it's lots lower than it was.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: Now, I especially liked Walsh Lane, it drop down off of West Outer, I mean, off... Yeah, West Outer, into the woods.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And we lived at the bottom of the lane and there were only, I think, one, two, three, four, five... Five houses around that short little lane.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: So we had the woods and we had this little quiet, dead end, paved place, you know, the lane there. It had a telephone pole with a street light on it so we played, you know, in the summertime, 'til after dark.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: And the house was right there and, at that time, we weren't afraid. Our parents weren't afraid. The only time I got in trouble is if I didn't hear Mom calling us for supper.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: That happened a lot.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right.
MRS. WOODALL: Got a spanking... Got a spanking.
MR. MCDANIEL: I understand.
MRS. WOODALL: Riding bicycles, playing up at ballgames, Rolley Bats and chase and Swing the Statue. Got a pogo stick, my favorite was bicycles, though. I got a bicycle. I learned to ride a bike, Buddy and I both did, a little bitty bike when we were, when we first came to Oak Ridge, I guess. I really don't have that many clear memories at first 'cause I was just five.
MR. MCDANIEL: At first you were too young.
MRS. WOODALL: And I don't want to reinvent things, you know. But then, when I was 11, I was... Mom and Daddy got me a bicycle. It was a 26-inch, J.C. Higgins, brand new from Sears-Roebuck Company in Knoxville.
MR. MCDANIEL: Wow.
MRS. WOODALL: And I had that bicycle 'til Doug and I got married in 1967.
MR. MCDANIEL: Is that right?
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, and I was so proud of that thing. Had a big basket on the handlebars. As I got older and older I got braver and just rode that bicycle all up and down all the streets around there. Our favorite thing to do was walk to Anderson Hilltop Market, which only in the last two or three years has closed.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: You remember that, probably.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, exactly. Yes.
MRS. WOODALL: To buy... We'd buy candy and ice cream...
MR. MCDANIEL: It was just a local, neighborhood market, wasn't it?
MRS. WOODALL: It really was. It was. And it was... It was a place we could go. I mean, our parents would let us ...
MR. MCDANIEL: Just go.
MRS. WOODALL: 'Course we didn't tell them all the places we went or how far away we rode our bicycle or that we were out in the street and not on the sidewalk with our bicycles.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: It was all adventure and it was just, I felt so free. It was just exciting.
MR. MCDANIEL: And it was... It was, as you said, you all ... You felt safe...
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, I mean, we didn't even think about it...
MR. MCDANIEL: And your parents knew you were safe, too.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, yeah. There was... We didn't ... And, of course, children don't worry about safety ...
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah, right.
MRS. WOODALL: They do now. I mean, it's so sad how we've had to tell our children things to watch out, and people to watch out for and just, there's so much more danger out there. That's been one of the sad changes.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right.
MRS. WOODALL: The neighbor parents were friendly. One time, I remember, Mr. Carroll, he had a son, Wayne, that we -- one of our playmates on Walsh Lane -- and he was out in his yard chewing tobacco and we all wanted to try it (laughter) so he pulled off a chunk of this brown stuff and gave each one of us a piece and I just chewed mine up and swallowed it and promptly threw up. (laughter) He didn't tell us we weren't supposed to swallow it.
MR. MCDANIEL: He didn't tell you not to do that.
MRS. WOODALL: I never forgot that one.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, what did your parents think of that?
MRS. WOODALL: I don't know if they knew that. You know, we'd go in at the end of the...
MR. MCDANIEL: They probably would have laughed.
MRS. WOODALL: They probably would. They both smoked but I don't think either one ever, you know, dipped or chewed tobacco.
MR. MCDANIEL: Chewed tobacco...
MRS. WOODALL: They probably would have laughed, oh yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: They probably would have.
MRS. WOODALL: They were pretty good sports that way. Daddy, when we moved... Daddy was... He worked... He never missed a day of work in his entire career at Y-12.
MR. MCDANIEL: Is that right?
MRS. WOODALL: He was never... If he was sick, he just went to work.
MR. MCDANIEL: He just went.
MRS. WOODALL: But he was healthy. We were all healthy.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: We were all thin and strong and healthy that way in our family in those years. But anyway...
MR. MCDANIEL: But that's really, kind of, a generational thing, isn't it? I mean, that people don't miss work.
MRS. WOODALL: I think so.
MR. MCDANIEL: I mean, you know, you've got a job, you've got a responsibility and you show up.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right. And we didn't miss school. The work ethic and the ethic at school, that's something that has just meant a lot to me, looking back, was the discipline at school and the expectations that were put on us.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: All the way through high school, back in the early '60s, we all -- well, I'll just speak for myself, better just speak for myself since I'm on film -- I felt obligated, I felt it was important to do the best job I could do and to show up and to respect my elders. I learned that at St. Mary's School. I've always said that to people.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: And people in the community would talk about the kids that came out of St. Mary's School, how polite they were. We were taught to stand up next to our desk to respond to the teacher or if the priest came into the room, we'd stand up and say, "Good morning, Father."
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: Things like that, but out in the community... And then, we'd have to raise our hand before we spoke and we were so polite when we all went from St. Mary's eighth grade out to the junior high school or the high school in Oak Ridge, the teachers noticed us.
MR. MCDANIEL: They knew.
MRS. WOODALL: St. Mary's kids.
MR. MCDANIEL: They knew St. Mary's kids.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: You know, that, to me, sounds like a typical scene from the 1950s, you know, it really does, you know. The way students responded to their elders, to the teachers, you know, so.
MRS. WOODALL: And our parents and our parents friends. We were,... We called them Mr. and Mrs. whoever, you know.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: We weren't exactly the Cleaver family, but ... It wasn't like that.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure...
MRS. WOODALL: But, yeah, there were still some more respect for your elders, respect for authority. And I think that, all of that, the structure and the expectations, gave us a sense of security. But I wanted to talk about Dad. When we first moved there, the TDUs had the old, I'd never seen one, coal-burning stoves. They were vertical, tall and you'd put the coal in the top. Daddy, apparently, right away converted to an oil furnace which is what I remember. I don't ever remember the coal stove being in there.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And he built a frame and put two oil barrels right up next to the house on the frame and we had an oil furnace for quite a few years and then he converted to a floor furnace, I don't know, it might have been an oil furnace, too, I don't know when we got gas around there and getting it... But the TDUs were really cold. They were not insulated. Ours was built on a hill, so the floor was... There was a...
MR. MCDANIEL: Was exposed, wasn't it?
MRS. WOODALL: Very exposed.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, the lower side was ... had a really... You could walk under the house without bending over at all.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right.
MRS. WOODALL: And, so it was really cold and all we had was that oil-burning... oil-burning stove which got hot later in the day but for getting up in the morning to go to school, Buddy and I would run into the living room where Mama had a little electric heater and we'd just... We'd get dressed and we'd fight with each other over who could be the closest to the front of that little heater.
MR. MCDANIEL: Of course.
MRS. WOODALL: And I've never forgotten those experiences.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: But as kids... Daddy he had... he got a grill and we cooked out a lot. He built us a swing set out of trees he cut down with log poles and he lashed them to the other trees and put up the swing.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: One year he built a teepee for us out of log poles, you know, tree logs and lashed them together, wrapped a big white bed sheet around it and we just thought, "Oh, yeah!"
MR. MCDANIEL: You just thought that was great. You know, men used to know how to do that kind of stuff, didn't they?
MRS. WOODALL: Yes, that's right. And you couldn't go out and buy any of that stuff anyway.
MR. MCDANIEL: No, exactly. If you wanted it, you had to build it.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right. We went to movie theaters. You know, there were four drive-in theaters around here, the Carefree in Oliver Springs...
MR. MCDANIEL: Really?
MRS. WOODALL: The Skyway in Oak Ridge, the Elza Drive-In out at Elza Gate and the Birchfield Drive-In at Solway. You'd go across the Solway bridge.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: When you're on top of the bridge now, if the water's low, you can still see the concentric semi-circles...
MR. MCDANIEL: Really?
MRS. WOODALL: Where the... Where the cars were parked, yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: If you're going out of Oak Ridge.
MRS. WOODALL: Yes.
MR. MCDANIEL: Which side was it on?
MRS. WOODALL: On the right.
MR. MCDANIEL: On the right. Wow.
MRS. WOODALL: Uh-huh. Soon as you cross the bridge you would turn somewhere and go over in there. And that, that was a big deal because they had a playground at the base of their screen.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh did they? Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: So we kids could stay up there and watch... We couldn't see the movie, but we'd go up there before the movie started.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: We went to the Elza and the Skyway the most, I think, but we went a lot.
MR. MCDANIEL: Did you?
MRS. WOODALL: As a family, yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: Wow.
MRS. WOODALL: With the old speakers that me and Buddy would fight over who got to have the speaker. (laughs)
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, sure, of course, of course.
MRS. WOODALL: And got popcorn and all that. I don't remember any of the movies. I just remember the whole experience, you know, being there.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, sure, sure, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: Sitting on the hood of the car. We'd sit there in such a way that Mom and Dad could see the screen. I remember sitting there in the rain and watching...
MR. MCDANIEL: Something.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah. (laughter) 'Cause we were in the back seat and they were in the front.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, of course, of course.
MRS. WOODALL: You'll have to... I'm not remembering.
MR. MCDANIEL: That's ok.
MRS. WOODALL: Do you have any other questions?
MR. MCDANIEL: No, not...
MR. WOODALL: The boat.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh! The best thing that happened to me in my childhood, that's right, Keith.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: Thank you, Doug. (My husband's off camera over here.)
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: When I was... When we were still on Walsh Lane, my dad designed and built a 25-foot cabin cruiser.
MR. MCDANIEL: Really?
MRS. WOODALL: He would get on the roof of the house after he had started ... had started putting that thing together, my brother, Bud, told me this, he said Dad told him he would get up on the roof of the house and just survey, just look at the boat and think and make notes. And I remember helping him. I thought that was... I was really tickled when he would let me climb up on the boat and help him screw in the screws and put the glue in the little holes.
MR. MCDANIEL: So how old were you when this happened? When he was doing this?
MRS. WOODALL: 'Leven... Eleven and twelve.
MR. MCDANIEL: Eleven and twelve.
MRS. WOODALL: And we've got pictures. Some of that I remember because, you know, photographs will prompt a lot of memories that you wouldn't otherwise... And I remember us following haulers as they took the boat. (laughs) My dad was such a nervous wreck. And we followed him and drove out to Caney Creek in Roane County, is that right?
MR. MCDANIEL: In Roane County.
MRS. WOODALL: Where the boat was launched and I do not remember if we rode... He didn't want all of us riding with him he was so nervous, so I guess Mom drove the car.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: To ... I don't know if you've ever heard of Merriwater Home Park out at Kingston on the Clinch River? It was a private development that started just about that time.
MR. MCDANIEL: Probably, I probably know where it is.
MRS. WOODALL: Lawnville Road.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, yeah, yeah, sure, sure...
MRS. WOODALL: And then another road off of that and it ended at the lake.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: At the river. At the time, it was just the river. And for the next years, until I was out of high school, we would go to Merriwater every weekend, every weekend in the summer and then some.
MR. MCDANIEL: Wow, wow.
MRS. WOODALL: And we would swim in the lake and the people who were all co-owners of the property there built a boat dock and then they would add to it later and keep improving it and so forth. And all the other people with their boats. I had a lot of friends in high school whose parents had property on the lakes around here...
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure. There were...
MRS. WOODALL: ... and boats...
MR. MCDANIEL: You know, surprisingly, there were a lot of Oak Ridgers who had lake property.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: Or little cabins or, you know, something like ...
MRS. WOODALL: That's right. Little lake houses.
MR. MCDANIEL: Little lake houses.
MRS. WOODALL: Right, very basic, usually, but ...
MR. MCDANIEL: A lot of them down south of Kingston, you know, Bayside or Blue Springs Marina, something like that.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right.
MR. MCDANIEL: A lot of them had places down there on Watts Bar, but...
MRS. WOODALL: I learned to water ski and swim across the river. I mean, I just grew up in the water. And Daddy and Mama loved it, too. But Daddy built that cruiser. We spent one night out in the middle of the river, the lake.
MR. MCDANIEL: Did you?
MRS. WOODALL: He was real good at his nautical stuff. I enjoyed that with my Dad, learning... learning, you know, what port light and starboard lights, you know, when he was putting all this together on the boat.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure...
MRS. WOODALL: And when we got bigger, he'd let us stand up on the little stool and we would steer...
MR. MCDANIEL: Steer...
MRS. WOODALL: Whatever the word, you know. But we did spend one night on the boat and I remember that as a real interesting, if not scary, experience. It was just so quiet out there.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, sure. Of course, of course...
MRS. WOODALL: It was wonderful.
MR. MCDANIEL: One of the things that you have in your notes you handed me was, you tell a story about you had one car.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: And your mom kept it once a week for appointments. Tell me about that.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, she would... She would drive Daddy to work and keep the car.
MR. MCDANIEL: For the day?
MRS. WOODALL: For the day. Yeah, and then she'd have to... you know, to run her errands and take us to appointments or whatever.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And then she would go back in the afternoon and pick Daddy up. She never complained about it. It was just something that was done. It was probably fairly common. I don't think most families had two cars back then.
MR. MCDANIEL: Probably not. Now, did you have... Did you have a washer and dryer or did you have to go to the laundry mat or?
MRS. WOODALL: We had a ringer washer...
MR. MCDANIEL: Did you?
MRS. WOODALL: If I remember. And I was afraid of it. I liked to help Mom but I was scared to death 'cause you could get your fingers caught...
MR. MCDANIEL: Fingers caught...
MRS. WOODALL: ...in that ringer part that squeezed the water out.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: And Mother had clotheslines.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And hung the clothes outside. And I 'specially remember the wire contraption that she bought some of and when the clothes were ... she would, you would stretch the, Dad's khaki work pants.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: She would stretch them on those stretchers and then hang them on the clothesline to dry.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure. And they were flat. They would ... they would dry flat...
MRS. WOODALL: Yes, with the crease down the center of the pant legs.
MR. MCDANIEL: With the crease, not need to be pressed, you know, that kind of thing.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right. Yeah. But that's how we did laundry there.
MR. MCDANIEL: You said that once some big boys came through ...
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, yeah. I must have been pretty young when that happened because all I have is this memory of my mother hollering at them and them laughing.
MR. MCDANIEL: What did they do?
MRS. WOODALL: They snatched... She had a... her laundry basket, which was one of those bushel baskets that she'd lined with the pretty oilcloth, but it was just the thought of it, you know. They came through, they came running through there and snatched it and ran off with it into the woods.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh. Oh, wow.
MRS. WOODALL: And she burst into tears and it scared me. I didn't know what was happening.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: But I think that was just typical of... There were just so many kids around there roaming all the time and that was the only meanness I remember, though.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, really?
MRS. WOODALL: But it was hard on Mom.
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah.
MRS. WOODALL: Living there. The yard was mostly gravel.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: Couldn't grow grass down there in the wood part of it.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: And she'd grown up in a three-story brick house in a small town in Missouri and it was a lot more comfortable, I think.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: She was an amazing woman. She was stoic and she was kind and she didn't, she didn't really complain a lot. I think I pick up on some of the ... her frustrations. Children just do, but…
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: But mostly she just made the best of it.
MR. MCDANIEL: You also said you had ... you had curtains on the closets.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, there were no doors.
MR. MCDANIEL: No doors.
MRS. WOODALL: There were just curtains.
MR. MCDANIEL: And this was the house on...
MRS. WOODALL: Walsh Lane.
MR. MCDANIEL: On Walsh Lane, right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, one of those that the government had built. They were very simple and basic.
MR. MCDANIEL: And I'm sure there wasn't any air conditioning.
MRS. WOODALL: No!
MR. MCDANIEL: No.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, no. We had a fan, a great big fan that wouldn't be allowed today. It didn't have a very protective cover on it. It was a floor fan, but it wasn't a box fan.
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah.
MRS. WOODALL: Back then they had these pedestals.
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: And three big blades, four blades, I think, on that one. And we just had that in the living room in the summer.
MR. MCDANIEL: Mmm-hmm, right.
MRS. WOODALL: On really hot days, we kids would just... We'd spread a, me and Buddy would spread a sheet on the floor and just lay down in front of that fan and let it blow us to death.
MR. MCDANIEL: And just let it blow 'cause it was so hot.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: You know, that reminds me of my dad. It was so funny, 'cause we didn't have air conditioning at our house until, oh, gosh, I was probably in high school and then we just had a window air conditioner.
MRS. WOODALL: Yep, yep.
MR. MCDANIEL: But my dad was, he was a machinist at the steam plant and so, he could do anything, build anything. He found this attic fan, and it was one of those round, cylinder fans that did this... And I can remember, he said, "I'm gone turn the fan on..." So, it was cool in the evenings in the summers, he says, "Open the windows." He turned that thing on and the curtains would almost, kind of, go out straight, sucking the outside air in. (laughter) He was kind of like Tim, the Tool Man, Taylor, more power, you know.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah. (laughs)
MR. MCDANIEL: But that just kind of reminds me ... reminded me of that. The days when men could do things and you didn't have the conveniences that you have today sometimes.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right, that's right.
MR. MCDANIEL: For sure. All right, I want to get you into ... I want to get you into high school, so let's talk about...
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, Oak Ridge High School...
MR. MCDANIEL: Let's talk about -- and we'll come back and talk about some of these other things you've got some notes on which is great. But let's talk about the high school, when you went from... When you went from St. Mary's into high school, what was that like for you?
MRS. WOODALL: Well, it was a little scary because I went first for ninth grade to Robertsville.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, did you? Oh, I see, that's right. The when high school was just ninth, tenth and twelfth... I mean, tenth, eleventh and twelfth. Right.
MRS. WOODALL: Yes, yes...
MR. MCDANIEL: Back when they had junior highs.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right.
MR. MCDANIEL: Instead of middle schools, So...
MRS. WOODALL: And I guess the public school kids went into the junior highs in eighth grade or seventh?
MR. MCDANIEL: I think it was seventh, eighth and ninth grade was the junior high at that point.
MRS. WOODALL: So they had transitioned more easily than we did.
MR. MCDANIEL: But you had to go to Robertsville for ninth grade.
MRS. WOODALL: Just for ninth grade. It was the first time after my entire life at that point that we were turned loose in the halls to just find our way to our classrooms. 'Cause we had marched in single file for eight years.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: You know, to the one room that we had to go to. Except to go to cafeteria and then to go outside on the playground.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And so, I was pretty nervous. I don't have a lot... I don't have any bad memories of being at Robertsville. I remember that was the year that President Kennedy was running for office first time.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, really? Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: And I was real proud to wear the Kennedy-Johnson badge 'cause I was Catholic and he was Catholic and that was the extent of my, you know, understanding of politics. So... And I remember Typing I class, I remember learning how to type. I'd been trying to type at home on our -- Mama had one of those lead Underwood typewriters, you know...
MR. MCDANIEL: That weighed a hundred pounds.
MRS. WOODALL: They did, for sure. And I was learning to type, but I took Typing I at Robertsville and got to sit next to a really cute boy. And I was beginning to really pay attention to the boys then...
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: I remember that and I remember pep rallies. That was a new thing for me was the pep rallies and the football games. The Robertsville Rams.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And rode the bus to and from school. I can't remember my teachers or my classes.
MR. MCDANIEL: That's what I was about to ask you, did you remember any of your teachers?
MRS. WOODALL: Only at St. Mary's and only at Oak... Not at Robertsville.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: I think I was just so traumatized that one year...
MR. MCDANIEL: It was a good transitional year for you, though.
MRS. WOODALL: It was.
MR. MCDANIEL: But it probably was good for you so when you got to high school you were kind of used to that, that atmosphere.
MRS. WOODALL: Definitely, definitely.
MR. MCDANIEL: You know...
MRS. WOODALL: ... by then. And I was, yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: So, when you went... So... so you went... So, you finished at Robertsville then you went into high school. What year was that when you started high school? Was it...?
MRS. WOODALL: Probably '62, '2, '3 and '4...
MR. MCDANIEL: And that was when...? Where was the high school at that point, was it where it is now?
MRS. WOODALL: Yes. Yes, it was.
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah, ok, that's what I was thinking, by then it was located there.
MRS. WOODALL: It was. Before I graduated in '64, I guess that, 1964, they'd started building those round...
MR. MCDANIEL: The round additions.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, separate buildings which was really strange to watch.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure.
MRS. WOODALL: But I adjusted to high school right away.
MR. MCDANIEL: Did you?
MRS. WOODALL: I was always a sociable girl and just loved... I always just loved school, I liked studying.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: I always liked the structure but I enjoyed my, you know, made friends easily.
MR. MCDANIEL: Were you involved in, you know, music or athletics or, you know, any of those curricular activities in high school?
MRS. WOODALL: No, after saying I was very sociable and enjoyed my friends, I was very shy about taking on any responsibility that would have me kind of sticking out from the crowd.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: So, I joined the Spanish Club...
MR. WOODALL: Scouting...
MRS. WOODALL: That, yeah, thank you, that was my ... my special joy...
MR. MCDANIEL: What was?
MRS. WOODALL: Was Girl Scouts.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: Because there were senior Boy Scouts and senior Girl Scouts, that age group, high school.
MR. MCDANIEL: High school age.
MRS. WOODALL: Very active troops in Oak Ridge during those years.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, tell me about that, tell me about your Girl Scout troop and what are the things you did and maybe, if you can remember, some of the leadership.
MRS. WOODALL: Ruth Davis was our leader, mother of my girlfriend, Adrianne. That was Adrianne's mother.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: I remember her very well. She was a lovely lady and a good leader. The senior Scouts, senior Girl Scouts were divided into three groups in Oak Ridge: the Trailblazers and the... I've forgotten them now.
MR. MCDANIEL: That's ok.
MRS. WOODALL: The ones who liked boating, who liked water activities and then a third group of the civic, civic-minded group.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right. Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: And I was in the Trailblazers, of course, 'cause I liked hiking and camping and we did a lot of that in the... And then as we'd all combine and we had dances. I remember we had a taffy pull one Christmas. And this was all sponsored by, through the Scouts.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: Oak Ridge High School had social clubs. There were three of them. I don't know when they had started and I don't know how many years they went after I was there but it was the Penguins and the Swankettes.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: And I was never interested in joining them. I can't remember that much, but I was friends with girls who were in it.
MR. MCDANIEL: What did they do? What did the social clubs do?
MRS. WOODALL: They were kind of like sororities, I think, but since I wasn't in them all I knew was whenever they'd advertise activities they were planning which, for the most part, was dances.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: I've looked back in my scrapbook. I was looking at it about six months ago and I went to a lot of dances. (laughs)
MR. MCDANIEL: Did you really?
MRS. WOODALL: I love dancing.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well sure. Now where did...
MRS. WOODALL: And they were semi- and semi-formal and some casual, but everybody liked to dress up.
MR. MCDANIEL: And where were ...? Where did they have the dances?
MRS. WOODALL: The school cafeteria. The senior Boy Scout troop, the Explorer Scout troop also sponsored a dance, dances once or twice a year.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: The Kerbela Temple...
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: ... in Knoxville. Most of them, I think, I remember being at the high school in the cafeteria.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, most of them were at the high school, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: Even if you weren't in the social clubs you could be invited to those dances so a lot of the ones I had in my scrapbook, the little, the dance cards and whatever, were sponsored by them, the Girl Scouts sponsored them, then there was the junior-senior prom, so I went to that both years. That was just... When I got on the... after school was out every day, I rode the bus home and I lived in the west end of Oak Ridge at that time.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And honestly, most of the kids that I had befriended and began to run around with, lived in the east end of Oak Ridge.
MR. MCDANIEL: And you said now... by that time you had moved from ...?
MRS. WOODALL: From Walsh Lane...
MR. MCDANIEL: To...?
MRS. WOODALL: To Loyola which was ...
MR. MCDANIEL: ...Loyola... off of LaSalle...
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah, Louisiana... The "L's"...
MRS. WOODALL: The "L's" that's exactly right.
MR. MCDANIEL: Exactly right.
MRS. WOODALL: Nobody knew where Loyola was. Nobody ever heard of it. Couldn't pronounce it.
MR. MCDANIEL: It was kind of far west end for Oak Ridge at that point, a little bit, wasn't it?
MRS. WOODALL: Well, it was about as far ... I guess it was. The West Village houses were there.
MR. MCDANIEL: They were there, right.
MRS. WOODALL: By the time I was in high school.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: But the Jefferson Shopping Center, the Wayne Theater was the movie theater at the Jefferson...
MR. MCDANIEL: That was the theater at the Jefferson, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: We didn't live far, almost within shouting distance. Loyola Lane was at the bottom of the hill.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: just about... about a block and a half off of Robertsville Road.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: It was a through road, I've noticed from aerial photos, back before that time. But it was a dead end lane with newer homes on it when we moved there. It was a brand new house when we moved there in '61.
MR. MCDANIEL: I bet your mother was happy about that wasn't she?
MRS. WOODALL: She was the driving force. She finally told Dad... There was a time period... Time when the government services, I forgot what the name of it was, anyway, that put the houses up for sale.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, that was in 1956 is when the houses... the houses were offered to the public because this was during the whole transition when Oak Ridge was, they were getting ready for Oak Ridge to become its own city.
MRS. WOODALL: Instead of a company town.
MR. MCDANIEL: And that was in '59 and they voted '59 and it actually happened in '60, but the houses were put on the market in '56.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right.
MR. MCDANIEL: And most of the people, you know, bought the houses that they were living in because it was such a good... I mean, you could get a really good house for $3,000 in 1956.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, Mom and Dad actually bought the duplex.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, did they?
MRS. WOODALL: That we were living in.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, I see. Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: And did the classic, cut a door through so we doubled our, you know, living area. We needed more space after my brother Tommy came along!
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah. Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: But, for whatever reasons, Daddy never, probably money, lack of money, never really renovated...
MR. MCDANIEL: Renovated it, you know.
MRS. WOODALL: I think, I'm going to guess that probably that Mom said I really don't want to keep living here.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: And at some point, she went out and started looking. And she found a house and Dad went out and looked at it and said, "Fine." (laughs) So we moved.
MR. MCDANIEL: So you moved.
MRS. WOODALL: Which, I kind of... I was lucky. By that time I was going to be in the ninth grade. We moved in the summer before I started Robertsville.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: So I didn't feel like I was moving away from my friends.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: Or my play yard and all that sort of stuff.
MR. MCDANIEL: Exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: I'd outgrown some of that anyway.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: It worked out real well for me.
MR. MCDANIEL: Exactly, exactly, well, that's good. All right... What was Camp Friendship?
MRS. WOODALL: Ah! Girl Scout camp on the west end of Oak Ridge.
MR. MCDANIEL: Tell me about that. I wanted to ask you some more about Girl Scouts. You said you were in the Trailblazers so you hiked a lot and things such as that. Was that all kind of in this area or did you go into the Smokies?
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, we went to the Smokies. We hiked to Mt. LeConte that was my first time to hike up to Mt. LeConte, spent the night.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, really.
MRS. WOODALL: In the lodge with the troop and watched the sun rise and it was... I was hooked. (laughs)
MR. MCDANIEL: Now, that's the lodge that they have, that's closed during winter because of the... because of the weather.
MRS. WOODALL: The weather.
MR. MCDANIEL: And they have a, usually have a young couple as caretakers that stay there.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right.
MR. MCDANIEL: And they can't, I mean, they can't get in and out, sometimes for weeks at a time because of the weather.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right. They're brave souls. It's a different experience. They have the llamas, don't they, that...
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, do they?
MRS. WOODALL: ... pack a lot of their supplies to the lodge. And helicopters, now-a-days.
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah, exactly...
MRS. WOODALL: In more recent times.
MR. MCDANIEL: But Camp Friendship was in Oak Ridge. Was that a Girl Scout camp?
MRS. WOODALL: It was and it continued for quite a few years after I was... I went to Camp Friendship for a camp-out when I was a Brownie.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, really?
MRS. WOODALL: So I was pretty young and it was my first time away from home. (laughter)
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: All the way, probably a mile away. But, you know, I could have been a hundred miles away.
MR. MCDANIEL: Exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: There was an old ... It was on a ... next to a cemetery...
MR. MCDANIEL: That could be anywhere in Oak Ridge.
MRS. WOODALL: Well, there was an old farmhouse there and I remember we girls, some of us, slept on the porch. The house was still...
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right, yeah, was just at the edge of, just beyond the West Village houses.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: And I was scared to death and I cried and I remember whoever the leader was just sat up with me. I guess eventually I went to sleep.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: But that's been emblazoned in my memory. (laughter) And then I rode the bus home and Mom met me at the Jefferson bus terminal, got off the bus there. There'd been some man on... it was this public bus, public...
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, really?
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: And some man on the bus was drunk and just getting really too close to me and talking and being too friendly. Scared me to death.
MR. MCDANIEL: Really?
MRS. WOODALL: That's all part of that memory. And I didn't want to go anywhere without my Mom after that.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure.
MRS. WOODALL: But that was my first Girl Scout experience and I really don't remember much. That was through the Brownie troop at St. Mary's and I was in Scouts, I think, until ... It always depended, and still does, on adults who were willing to volunteer to be leaders.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, sure, of course....
MRS. WOODALL: But I think Girl Scouting was pretty strong all the way through for years and years.
MR. MCDANIEL: Scout... I think Scouting was in Oak Ridge, you know, it was pretty strong. That was... That was another thing that was almost generational, that was very strong, that most kids ... Now, you don't have too many kids involved in Scouts where back then, you had a lot.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right.
MR. MCDANIEL: You had a lot of kids 'cause that was important because there weren't all these other distractions, you know.
MRS. WOODALL: Exactly, exactly.
MR. MCDANIEL: And ... and the parents knew that was a good organization for their kids, for them to get them out of their hair for a little while.
MRS. WOODALL: It was and it was a wonderful time for getting to know the other girls better and Mrs. Davis would have us to her home for our meetings.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: We'd have snacks and I honestly can't remember any of the activities but I'm sure we did lots of things. We earned badges.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: Went to camps. I did go to camps and stay the night by the time I got in high school. I was perfectly comfortable at that point.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure in doing that. One thing that I wanted to ask you about was, you were talking about buses while ago, the school buses, you've got somehow in your notes, school buses, bus tickets and the token box on the bus.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, yes. This was when I was real young. We were still living on Walsh Lane. I would walk up the street... I'm sure Mom walked me up, me and Buddy...
MR. MCDANIEL: Was this the city buses?
MRS. WOODALL: They were all... they were city buses that ran for the, you know, picked up the school kids...
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, I see.
MRS. WOODALL: I guess they kept working all day with residents.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: Yep. Red and white buses. I'd go up and we'd stand at the edge of the street, the little concrete pad that they'd pour it and have a sign that said, "Bus Stop." It's still there, up there above Walsh Lane.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And get on the bus. And for years, I don't know when I would use tokens. Not as often as I wanted to because I was fascinated with the token box.
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah.
MRS. WOODALL: And get to watch the coin drop through there.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: But they sold bus tickets at St. Mary's, I guess at all of the schools. Little books of bus tickets and that's what we used for all those years after.
MR. MCDANIEL: And you said sometimes you'd stand up all the way home.
MRS. WOODALL: You'd be riding the bus, all ages of kids would be, as I remember it, big kids, you know, I don't know if they had separate routes on separate times for high school or not.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And, often, 'specially in the afternoon, I remember standing and just holding onto a pole or the rod that ran the length of the bus and just laying my books down on the floor and, you know, it was all a lot more casual. And I do not ever remember being afraid of being on the bus. There was never any rowdiness. Back when our children started school, by the time they were in middle school, or even before that, there were problems on the bus, there were problems with the bus drivers...
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: It just had changed so much.
MR. MCDANIEL: It really had. It really had. Speaking... While we're still talking about school, you have here in your, you know, you talked about going to St. Mary's and you said you really loved going to St. Mary's but you were very competitive in spelling bees...
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah!
MR. MCDANIEL: And you'd... you'd received holy cards as prizes. Tell me ...
MRS. WOODALL: That's right.
MR. MCDANIEL: Tell me about that.
MRS. WOODALL: Well, being a Catholic school, it was all... everything we did was kind of integrated, you know, and one of the important things we learned as children was all about the saints, the Catholic saints. And it just seemed like we either got a medal or a picture holy card that would have a little story about the saint on the back of it and a lot of us liked to collect those. I really did and so ... They were given as incentives for lots of things.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: But, boy, when we had spelling bees, or geography bees. I'm sure it was just certain grades and certain teachers liked to do that. I was ready. I mean, I was just... (laughs)
MR. MCDANIEL: 'Cause you loved those cards, didn't you?
MRS. WOODALL: And the competition.
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: You know, just to try so hard to get everything right. I remember my third grade teacher was Sister Emmanuel. Oh... I've forgotten... Little bitty, old... She was probably the oldest nun there. Thought I'd never forget her name. But she would make a... She would have us come up to the chalk board and we would play games with, during math.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, really?
MRS. WOODALL: She would write answers... numbers all around like a clock and we'd each have a wood... There'd be two of us up there with these wooden pointers with the rubber tips on them. And we'd stand next to each other in front of the class and we'd be watching the chalk board and she'd call out a number, you know, a math problem and the first one of us to hit the right answer with the pointer was the winner, you know, it was just... Oh, I love stuff like that.
MR. MCDANIEL: Now, also at... at St. Mary's, you had Mass every day, didn't you?
MRS. WOODALL: Every day. Every day.
MR. MCDANIEL: Was it before school?
MRS. WOODALL: We would assemble in our classroom then we would walk... St. Mary's school, if you look at it today, they've got the new, there's been there for years now, the new church building.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure. Yes.
MRS. WOODALL: But the original sanctuary is still there. It's part of the original building. If you're on the Turnpike looking up on the left. It, in later years, became the gymnasium. I think now it's got the library in it. It's continued to change.
MR. MCDANIEL: It's continued to change, but it's still there.
MRS. WOODALL: Right, yeah. But we would go to Mass every morning. We would file, single file into the sanctuary. We learned from first grade up how to behave. There was no talking, very quiet.
MR. MCDANIEL: How many students, about how many students went to St. Mary's at that time?
MRS. WOODALL: I'm going to guess, if you do the math, there were about 30... This was, again, my age group. I got there in '52, first grader. There were 30 in my class.
MR. MCDANIEL: And was there only one eighth grade class?
MRS. WOODALL: No, there was one of each.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: Those years I was there, one, like I say, we all went through...
MR. MCDANIEL: So you had 250 or so students there.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah, eight classes times 30 kids.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...something like that. Now, growing up in Oak Ridge, so you ... so you were here, like I said, in the '50s and '60s and, as with any town, you're going to have things that you really, that really stand out. I can remember, and I'm going to... I can remember in Oak Ridge, going to the shopping center downtown and there was a blind man who would play his guitar that had a cup on the edge of his, on the neck of his guitar.
MRS. WOODALL: Wow.
MR. MCDANIEL: And so, that's one of the things I remember about Oak Ridge. But you've got some things very specific that you remember on a list, on these great notes that you provided me which is wonderful.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, thank you.
MR. MCDANIEL: The popsicle man.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: Tell me about the popsicle man.
MRS. WOODALL: Well, he had a... He'd open that freezer and it looked like, I didn't know what it was, clouds, you know, but I learned it was the dry ice that he kept in the freezer.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: But he had all the... he had popsicles and fudgesicles and that's really all I remember because that's what we wanted was either popsicles or fudgesicles.
MR. MCDANIEL: Now, how... Do you remember how much it cost?
MRS. WOODALL: It was either one or two cents.
MR. MCDANIEL: That's what I was about to say, it was probably less than a nickel.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: You know, for sure. Also you had the library van that came around.
MRS. WOODALL: I remember that one time. That's one of those old snapshot memories, when you're really young, I think.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: It's about the best you can do. That was really neat. Mother was always willing, you know, and interested in anything that was going on like that, so.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: We got to go pick out some books on the truck and that was...
MR. MCDANIEL: Wow.
MRS. WOODALL: It wasn't long after that we started going to the Library.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, did you?
MRS. WOODALL: That was one of my favorite things was the Library.
MR. MCDANIEL: One... I interviewed a fellow just not too long ago who talked, he mentioned this as well, he talked about the Jewel Tea man.
MRS. WOODALL: Yes.
MR. MCDANIEL: And the Stanley Brush salesman.
MRS. WOODALL: Both of them, yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: And you, this is not on your list I don't think, but he also talked about the bakery. They had a bakery delivery and you had a "B" that you put in your window if you wanted the bakery to deliver.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, I got cheated on that one. Ok.
MR. MCDANIEL: But the Jewel Tea, what was the Jewel Tea man? Was that coffee and tea, is that what it was?
MRS. WOODALL: I think originally, yeah. Historically, maybe, but they had dishes. I got, enjoyed thrift stores and antique stores since I've been grown, you know, in later years here.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: And learned that there were... they sold dishes, this certain pattern that it's pretty ... recognizable now.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: I don't know what Mom bought, but she would buy off of the truck. And, again, you know, she didn't have ... she would have the car when she would take Dad to work and keep the car.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: But it was a convenience. I don't know how much she... She never bought the dishes or anything like that.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: But the Stanley Brush ... Stanley products and the Fuller Brush man, I don't know if I'm truly remembering the Fuller Brush, but I remember having, I think they had parties in their homes. One of Mama's close friends, we would just walk up through the woods to the next lane where this family lived and I remember going with Mama to Stanley party. That's what it was, a Stanley party.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right... Kind of like Tupperware parties.
MRS. WOODALL: It was, it was just more hair care...
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: Stuff like that.
MR. MCDANIEL: Now, you also said that you remembered going shopping with your mother at the A&P.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, all the time.
MR. MCDANIEL: And the produce man with one arm fascinated you.
MRS. WOODALL: Do you remember him?
MR. MCDANIEL: No, I don't remember him.
MRS. WOODALL: He only died a few years ago.
MR. MCDANIEL: Where was the... where was the A&P?
MRS. WOODALL: It was in the Downtown Shopping Center on the left.
MR. MCDANIEL: So it was... Are you talking about Downtown?
MRS. WOODALL: Over Downtown Hardware, the old Downtown Hardware. Yeah, the Downtown Shopping Center.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right.
MRS. WOODALL: Which, I do not remember what year it was built.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: We were living there when they started building it, I know.
MR. MCDANIEL: Yeah. It was, I think the '60s, the early, early '60s maybe.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah. Do you remember Doug?
MR. WOODALL: It was existing in '55.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh was it really?
MRS. WOODALL: Really? Ok... I know I don't remember all the construction that must have been real noticeable.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure...
MRS. WOODALL: So, apparently, I was just too young to see it.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: But, yeah, whenever they opened the A&P, that... my mom...
MR. MCDANIEL: That's where she shopped.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah. And he was the... I was just fascinated because you couldn't tell, I mean, you could see that he didn't have an arm. He wore a short sleeved shirt and he had a stub that was about to here, and he'd just tuck things under there, you know, and he'd fill your bags, he was, you know, they were very attentive, did more for you back then.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: And I would just watch him while he was doing his work. And he was very friendly.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, that's just an oddity for a young, for a kid.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, it was.
MR. MCDANIEL: You know, it really... It really was.
MRS. WOODALL: Just one of my little kid memories.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, and I remember the fabric store Mother shopped. She sewed a lot of my clothes.
MR. MCDANIEL: Did she? The fabric store was in the shopping center, wasn't it?
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah. There was one called The Fabric Shop... No, no, no... The Cloth Shop, that was it.
MR. MCDANIEL: The Cloth, oh, I remember going to The Cloth Shop. I can remember my mother, 'cause my mother was a seamstress and we'd go to The Cloth Shop.
MRS. WOODALL: Yes. All through high school I remember that because Mother sewed for me all the way through. All those formal and semi-formal dances, my mother made most of my dresses. One time, one of my girlfriends, Hallie Young, we were in high school, I think 10th grade, Hallie just lived up the street and we were both invited by Boy Scout guys, we knew them in high school, to go to a semi-formal dance up in Townsend at the, what was then called the Tuckaleechee Barn.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: It's just a barn with a dance floor.
MR. MCDANIEL: Exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: Do you remember that?
MR. MCDANIEL: I remember hearing about it.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah! And so, Hallie and I decided we wanted identical dresses only in different colors. So our mothers took us shopping. They bought satin, Hallie's was white satin, mine was baby blue satin. We got our high heeled shoes dyed to match.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: That was so popular then. And we just thought we were the thing, you know.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, I remember my mother speaking of that. The thing that I can remember my mother doing was our next door neighbor was a majorette in the high school at Kingston. And they knew that my mother was a seamstress. So, my mother made majorette outfits.
MRS. WOODALL: Really?
MR. MCDANIEL: And they were covered with sequins and she sewed on individual sequins...
MRS. WOODALL: That's how you had to do it.
MR. MCDANIEL: Thousands and thousands of them.
MRS. WOODALL: Yeah!
MR. MCDANIEL: I remember her doing that, I was a little kid, I mean, I just remember that.
MRS. WOODALL: I'm sure you did.
MR. MCDANIEL: But ... so...
MRS. WOODALL: And today, nobody thinks, well, we don't think about you go to the ... even Wal-Mart, you know.
MR. MCDANIEL: Exactly.
MRS. WOODALL: Covered with sequins been put on by machine somewhere.
MR. MCDANIEL: Exactly. So, when you finished high school, you graduated high school. Now, what did you do after that?
MRS. WOODALL: I went to college because everybody was going to... everybody.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: That were my friends, was going to college. I didn't want to be left at home. That was my...
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, I understand.
MRS. WOODALL: ... reason for going to college.
MR. MCDANIEL: Where did you go?
MRS. WOODALL: It was a smart thing to do. I went to Middle Tennessee State College in Murfreesboro. It was that long ago.
MR. MCDANIEL: Before it was a university...
MRS. WOODALL: It changed while I was still there.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: And became a university. I attended... I went for two years. I majored in special ed. one quarter, semester. Then I changed to education in general. Then I changed... I went off to college to major in Home Ec.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: Nobody told me I had to take chemistry.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: When I almost failed chemistry, I decided I really didn't want to stick with ...
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure...
MRS. WOODALL: Home economics, so, after two years, I transferred to Knoxville to UT.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, did you? Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: And then I met my husb... my future husband.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok. All right.
MRS. WOODALL: Back during those years, Union Carbide would hire college kids to work.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And not just from around here.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right.
MRS. WOODALL: From all over the country they would hire college kids to come and they had plenty of work or make work.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, exactly...
MRS. WOODALL: I've got to tell this story.
MR. MCDANIEL: That's fine.
MRS. WOODALL: I was, you know, we were hired in and not allowed in any secured areas.
MR. MCDANIEL: Was that at Y-12 or ORNL?
MRS. WOODALL: I was at Oak Ridge National Lab.
MR. MCDANIEL: All right, ok.
MRS. WOODALL: And they had me doing secretarial work and they gave me a desk and it was in the corner of a shop that I wasn't supposed to be in. It was the Metallurgy Division.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: So they took masking tape and they masked, they taped the floor and they gave me my area. You know, right through the door...
MR. MCDANIEL: That was it.
MRS. WOODALL: My boss was out in the next room. I loved it.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: I thought I was somebody, you know.
MR. MCDANIEL: I guess so.
MRS. WOODALL: And anyway, I did that for a couple of years, couple of summers and, let's see, Doug was co-oping from Auburn University. He was co-oping at the Lab.
MR. MCDANIEL: That's where you met?
MRS. WOODALL: And we met. Somebody... Somebody introduced us, a man named Rex, who, when he and Doug were standing in the hall, out in the hall talking and I was coming down the hall headed to the little commissary to get coffee and doughnuts or something...
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: ... and Rex told Doug, "Would you like to meet that girl?" And Doug said, "Sure." Doug said, "I thought Rex knew Gloria coming down the hall." Rex didn't know me from anybody. (laughter) But he introduced us. And I've always thought that was just, that was Providence, really, that was just... just, you know... But I was dating somebody, another student who was here from Berkley, University of California at Berkley. He was here working a summer job.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: So I was smitten at the time with him, but he (laughs) You've heard the old saying, "If you can't be near the one you love, well love the one you're near."?
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: Well he went back at the end of the summer, back to California and I was at UT for the first time, and so, I got involved in my school work but I remembered Doug.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure...
MRS. WOODALL: And, I should let him tell that story sometime.
MR. MCDANIEL: That's all right.
MRS. WOODALL: He came a-callin' at the dormitory and back then, you know, it was long enough ago that guys were only allowed in the lobby.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, sure.
MRS. WOODALL: I was in Cumberland Hall, Cumberland dorm, which was fairly new at the time, and he's always told me, he admitted it right away, that he got to the lobby and changed his mind.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, is that right?
MRS. WOODALL: He chickened out. But he persisted later.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And we went out on a first date.
MR. MCDANIEL: And you got married eventually and ended up living here?
MRS. WOODALL: We lived in the Hillside Apartments for, from the time we got married, the end of April of ‘67; until he was due to go back to Auburn for his senior year.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, I see.
MRS. WOODALL: And so we lived up on Hillside Avenue, little one bedroom, completely furnished apartment for how much?
MR. WOODALL: $49.
MRS. WOODALL: $49 a month.
MR. MCDANIEL: Back when those were some nice little apartments.
MRS. WOODALL: They were fine. They really were. We were upstairs and it was neat, it was very nice.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, good.
MRS. WOODALL: Then we went to Auburn, were down there for his senior year. I worked in one of the engineering, I was in a secretarial pool to bring in a little money.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: Then he graduated in the spring of '68 and he always wanted to really live around here 'cause Doug... Doug and his family moved up and down the East Coast and Canada. His dad was working as an accountant for construction, Ferguson? Construction, who had been here.
MR. MCDANIEL: M.K. Ferguson?
MRS. WOODALL: M.K. Ferguson, yeah.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: So Doug wanted to put down roots.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: And he got a job then, a full-time job then.
MR. MCDANIEL: At Y-12?
MRS. WOODALL: At Y-12.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok, so y'all stayed here.
MRS. WOODALL: We did. We took a four year hiatus in the Navy and lived in the San Francisco area. Doug was stationed at Mare Island and he taught school, nuclear power school for four years. He had a day job.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: So we toured the West while we were in the Navy, he was in the Navy.
MR. MCDANIEL: Oh, sure. I'm sure. Well that's great.
MRS. WOODALL: Had a wonderful time, then we came back here and bought a house and property in Claxton and we've been there ever since.
MR. MCDANIEL: Been there ever since.
MRS. WOODALL: Loved it. Just loved it.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure... Now you had three children, is that correct?
MRS. WOODALL: Three children. All went to Claxton Elementary and Clinton Middle and Clinton High School.
MR. MCDANIEL: And Clinton High School. Right, right, exactly...
MRS. WOODALL: Want me to tell you about our grandchildren? (laughter) That's another story!
MR. MCDANIEL: That's for another story.
MRS. WOODALL: That's right.
MR. MCDANIEL: Well, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with me and to share your experience growing up in Oak Ridge and what it was like. I mean, you know, it was a... In some ways, it seems like a typical American childhood but, I'm sure, in other ways it was... there were things about it that were very unique to Oak Ridge as well.
MRS. WOODALL: I think so. I think there was a lot more comfort and camaraderie that we didn't know, we couldn't have put it into words as we were growing up here.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: But the adults really felt it. We've heard a lot of our parents and their generation talk about what it was like to live here. Everybody was new here.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: Everybody was in the same situation. We all shared the fact that our dads or moms didn't, couldn't talk about their jobs, you know, but you knew it was important.
MR. MCDANIEL: And there wasn't a lot of class differences in Oak Ridge.
MRS. WOODALL: No. No.
MR. MCDANIEL: I mean, you know.
MRS. WOODALL: The race. I was going to say something about that, about the racial issue. There was not a racial issue. I didn't have... there were no black children, going back to the Catholic school, there were no black children at St. Mary's when I went through there.
MR. MCDANIEL: Ok.
MRS. WOODALL: I had never... don't remember black children, black people at all, honestly.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: Until I was in high school age, coming home from somewhere, we were on Robertsville Road, it was 1962 or '3, I know it's probably in the archives at the newspaper.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: There was an incident at a laundromat in the Jefferson area.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: It was being picketed because it had been segregated all those years.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: I didn't know that.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: I didn't know what segregation was, I don't think.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And I was in the car with Mom and she just very, very politely explained to me what was going on.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: And we had a little discussion about black people are no different than anyone else.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right.
MRS. WOODALL: It's a bad thing to mistreat them and they should be allowed to go to this laundromat, too.
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure.
MRS. WOODALL: When I was in high school there were 10, maybe, in my class, 10 black girls and boys. I liked the ones I met. I was curious. I didn't have opportunity. Again, there were no black families that I knew of at St. Mary's even at that time. There were not a lot of black people who are Catholic, maybe in the bigger cities there were.
MR. MCDANIEL: Right, right...
MRS. WOODALL: But it was really a non-issue...
MR. MCDANIEL: Sure, sure...
MRS. WOODALL: ... for me. So...
MR. MCDANIEL: All right, well very good. Thank you so much.
MRS. WOODALL: Oh, I've enjoyed talking to you. I enjoyed thinking about it. We roam around Oak Ridge, Doug and I share our memories. We used to walk a lot in Oak Ridge, just pick neighborhoods we'd never been in and just walk. (laughter) And look and talk about it all. Thank you very much for inviting me. I appreciate it.
MR. MCDANIEL: Absolutely.
[End of Interview]
[Editor’s Note: Portions of this transcript have been edited at Mrs. Woodall’s request. The corresponding audio and video components have remained unchanged.]
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