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March 18, 2011 10:56 AMHuckleberry Finn and the N-word debateTranscript of a “60 minutes” report by Byron PittsFrom the moment it was published in 1885, Mark Twain's "Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" caused controversy. It challenged authority, poked fun at religion, and was accused of leading children astray. What's surprising is that 125 years later Huckleberry Finn is still making news.Today there are school districts in America that ban this American classic for one reason - one word: "nigger," a word so offensive it's usually called the "N-word."Now a publishing company in Alabama says that schools don't have to change their reading list because they changed Huckleberry Finn. Their newly released edition removes the N-word and replaces it with "slave." It's a bold move for what is considered one of the greatest works in American literature.Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn is a classic set before the Civil War. The story is told by Huck, a white boy escaping an abusive father, and about his adventures with a black man named Jim, escaping slavery.Huckleberry Finn is set along the Mississippi River. In it, Twain used the N-word 219 times. To some people, the word gets in the way of the story's powerful message against slavery; to others, Twain is simply capturing the way people talked back then."Are you censoring Twain?" correspondent Byron Pitts asked Randall Williams, co-owner and editor of NewSouth Books, publishers of the sanitized edition of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn that replaces the N-word with the word "slave.""We certainly are accused of censoring Twain," Williams replied.It's aimed at schools that already ban the book, though no one knows how many have. Williams says they are not trying replace Twain's original, N-word included."If you can have the discussion and you're comfortable havin' the discussion, have it. Have it with it in there. But if you're not comfortable with that, then here's an alternative for you to use. And I would argue to you that it's still powerful," Williams said.The new edition drew powerful reactions from Twain scholars, the press and ordinary readers - and it's worth noting most of the articles don't spell out the word, either."What's it say that people have been so passionate about it?" Pitts asked."I think it says that race continues to be a volatile and divisive subject," Williams said.In this passage, Huck says the word three times in two sentences: "Jim was monstrous proud about it and he got so he couldn't hardly notice the other niggers. Niggers come miles to hear Jim tell about it and he was more looked up to than any nigger in that country.""What do you think of Huckleberry Finn?" Pitts asked author David Bradley, who teaches at the University of Oregon"It's a great book. It's one of the greatest books in American literature," Bradley replied.He says the key to understanding Huckleberry Finn is through Twain's use of language, as the friendship between Huck and Jim unfolds."When Huck comes back to that raft, he says, 'They're after us.' He doesn't say, 'They're after you.' He says, 'They're after us.' And that's the moment when it becomes about the American dilemma, it becomes about, 'Are we gonna get along?'" Bradley said.School districts struggling to teach Huckleberry Finn have called in Bradley. He believes strongly in teaching Twain's original text."One of the first things I do is I make everybody say it out loud about six or seven times," Bradley said."The N-word?" Pitts asked."Yeah, "nigger." Get over it," Bradley replied, laughing. "You know. Now let's talk about the book."Students at Woodbury High School in Minnesota are reading the original book. But there are differences in how their teachers approach it. Nora Wise says the word out loud in class; Karen Morrill does not."People are scared to talk about race," Morrill told Pitts.Morrill told Pitts she is not afraid to talk about race in class."But you will not say out loud the N-word?" Pitts asked."That's just such as minor part," she replied."Aren't you giving the word more power than it deserves by not saying it?" Pitts asked."I didn't give the word its power. It came into my classroom with that power," she replied."I might not always reach and nourish and nurture every single student. But I can certainly do my best not to harm them," she added.When Nora Wise says the word, she feels its impact on students is worth it. "It makes sense in this novel to teach it with the controversy. It makes sense to bring up all of the hard emotions. They come with it. It's not just a classic book. It's not just the way the words are written, it's the ideas," she said.Eleventh graders Melvin Efesoa, Joseph Jaurdio and Ryan Farrell are confronting the controversial word and their feelings about it."I feel that that word is in there for a reason. Twain put the word in there to get our attention. And every time we read it, it does exactly that. It gets our attention," Farrell told Pitts."If you replace that with the word slave, of course people would be less bothered, but I think Twain wants people to be a little bit bothered," Jaurdio said."Melvin, you smiled," Pitts remarked, while interviewing the students."I smiled because like I just kind of think that constant use (of) the N-word, and to me, it feels unnecessary," Efesoa said."Why? What is it about this word?" Pitts asked."It reflects on African-American history back then. And like I said, it's a history that nobody wants to relive," Efesoa said."Do you think the discomfort starts and stops with the N-word? Or the discomfort extends to a conversation about race?" Pitts asked NewSouth Books' Randall Williams."In this specific instance, it is the word itself that is the problem. People are not comin' up sayin', 'Well, we can't teach this book because it's got discussion about slavery.' What they're sayin' is 'We can't teach the book because it's got all these repetitive instances of the offensive N-word in there, and therefore, we're not gonna use it,'" he replied."The publisher says they are providing a service," Pitts told David Bradley."They are," Bradley said."There are school districts that won't deal with Huckleberry Finn, and they remove this word and now they're able to have their students read and deal with Huckleberry Finn," Pitts remarked."No. It's not Huckleberry Finn anymore," Bradley said. "We're talkin' about students: What are we teaching them? This may be their first encounter with slavery. It shouldn't be their only one. But that's one of the reasons we can't mess around with it. There is a reality there that you cannot avoid.""But do you lose that reality when you take out the N-word and replace it with 'slave'?" Pitts asked."Yeah. 'Slave' is a condition. I mean, anybody can be a slave. And it's nothin' for anybody to be ashamed of. But 'nigger' has to do with shame. 'Nigger' has to do with calling somebody something. 'Nigger' was what made slavery possible," Bradley explained.Randall Williams told Pitts the word is poison.Asked if he used the word, Williams said, "Oh, I used to. I grew up sayin' the word. It was all I knew. I never gave it any thought."Williams runs NewSouth Books in Montgomery, Ala. - cradle of the Confederacy and where Jim Crow was once king.Williams, a son of Alabama, says the civil rights movement changed him as it did much of the South. For him, the subject of race and the N-word goes beyond any debate about the book. It's also about how far the South has come."We learned to think differently about it and thank God we did," Williams told Pitts. "I mean the movement didn't just free you know, black southerners. I mean it freed white southerners too.""Freed you from?" Pitts asked."Freed us from the sin of...you know, this...a big sin," Williams said."Kids use it... artists use it, the black rap artists use it, as you know, as I well know. Brothers use it all the time...when they talk to each other," Pitts said to David Bradley.Bradley told Pitts, "I love it.""'You're my nigger, man.' Look, in every group, there are words that you use, there are inflections, there is knowledge about what a word means to you, or to me, or how I mean it when I say it that is not an insult. I think one of the things that offends white people about it is that they can't say it. They say, 'Well, is it because of my inflection, or is it because...' It's, 'No, because you're not us.' Jeff Foxworthy says, you know, 'You can't make jokes about a redneck unless you are one.' You can't say 'nigger' unless you are one, and unless you are willing to accept everything that goes with it, which is a lot of good stuff, you know? And that's what they want, they want that good stuff," Bradley said."What's the good stuff that goes with that word?" Pitts asked."Having an awareness that you have your people have overcome centuries of oppression. The pride of saying, 'Yeah, you can say anything you want and it won't slow me down one bit,'" Bradley said."But the word is hurtful," Pitts said."The word is not hurtful. How it is used is hurtful, the people who is saying is hurtful," Bradley replied.Jeremy Richardson, 17, is still trying to figure out how to react to the word, especially as the only black student in Nora Wise's English class."Having the teacher read it out loud to everyone, then everyone's looking at me like, 'Oh, well, she just said that. What are you gonna do about it?' Like I didn't really have a reaction. I basically ignored the fact," he told Pitts.Richardson said while he didn't have an external reaction, "Internally, I just thought about it like 'This is wrong. Like I don't think that she should be saying this out loud.'""But why didn't you say something at that moment, do you think?" Pitts asked."I don't know. Maybe because I didn't want anyone to see that I was having a problem with her reading the word. That may be it. But I definitely did have a problem with it," he replied."That's an uncomfortable conversation for students?" Pitts asked Nora Wise."Uh-huh," she affirmed, adding, "It's uncomfortable for me, too."Wise spends three days in class talking about race even before starting Huckleberry Finn."How do you balance your strong conviction about using the words that are in the book with the notion that some of your students may be pained by that word?" Pitts asked."I don't have a calloused view about the pain, I don't. But on the other hand, I do feel like any time you come up against something that creates tension or creates discomfort. It is a point at which you could grow. And I think that life, in general, has many, many moments like that. And I don't think that teaching kids to step away from that is healthy," she said."Is the argument that these kids should be subjected to pain? I mean, I don't see the point of that," Randall Williams said.NewSouth Books printed 7,500 copies of its edited version of Huckleberry Finn and say they've sold nearly all of them."The only thing missin' from their reading of this will be the word itself. Have we taken every bit of the value of Twain out? Well, that's a preposterous argument. I can't even see that argument," Williams said.Pitts said to David Bradley, "What the publisher's saying, by introducing this new edition, they can still have the teachable moment, and have the conversation about race. You look puzzled."Bradley replied, "Well, you use the term 'teachable moment,' and that's what 'nigger' gives you. That's why it's important to keep it there. I call Huckleberry Finn a power tool when it comes to education. There are so many things that pry things open. It's like the jaws of life. And you say a teachable moment. That teachable moment is when that word hits the table in a classroom, everybody goes, 'Wooh. Okay, let's talk about it. Let's talk about where it came from. Let's talk about why you all went 'wooh,'' when you don't go, 'wooh,' about anything else. When y'all don't go, "wooh," when it's blastin' around in the parking lot in what y'all call music. If you take out everything in a book that causes the teachable moment, you have no teachable moments."? 2011 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. ................
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