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PLANT POWERED VEGAN FED VEGGIE DOGS TALKS THREAD COMMENTS:Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit—streaming online at NO CHARGE March 12—19? (2019)17 Global Experts in Dog Nutrition and Heath to talk. List of who’s who here..’s who word doc.. WHO.docxINCLUDING LIST OF INGREDIENTS USED BY ANNE HERITAGE FOR HOME MADE BRAMBLE VEGAN FED DOG a female rescue Welsh Border Colley Bitch who in the 1970s…was the 25 YEARS LIVED NOMINATED GUINESS BOOK OF RECORDS LONG LIVED DOG.Sonja Visscher?Cats vegan?!? Your cat is not vegan if it goes outdoors! Guarantee it’s catching prey like small mice, birds, etc. Its their instinct. You can’t change that. We’ve domesticated our animals, but we can’t change their anatomy. They are built like carnivores /omnivores and we should not deprive them of the food they would naturally eat in the wild. It’s not the meat that is causing them alarming rates of cancer, it’s the over vaccination and GMOs. The dogs I had when growing up all lived 14yrs*+ on crappy kibble that I would never feed my dog now. And, you know what? Not one ever got cancer. However, since our introduction of GMOs in the 90’s, cancer in dogs has climbed to a staggering 1 in 1.68 today! I’m one of those dog owners who is vegan, but will not subject my dog to a vegan diet. He may survive but he won’t thrive. I believe in feeding a species appropriate diet. My dog caught and ate a small bird in front of me. Do I dare scold him for his instinctual behavior? No! So why force an inappropriate diet on him? Our pets are at our mercy and rely on us to protect and nourish them. Until I see proof that they can thrive on a vegan diet, I won’t subject my dog to it. Even pets on vegan kibble are getting cancer! Maybe an organic vegetarian home-cooked diet will work, but there arent any long term studies. And, yes I heard about that one dog who lived a super long life being vegetarian, but was he vegan? People are not looking all the factors that contributed to it’s long life—less/no vaccines, increased exercise, proper weight, reduced exposure to chemicals, etc! I want to see studies on the masses before i put my dog on a vegan diet, because there is always an anomaly.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?4h?·?Edited HYPERLINK "" Hide 24 RepliesNoelle Obcarskas?this looks like a paste of a ramble i have seen before...maybe not. anyway. 1st my cat is indoor cat only out briefly as in those this am pictures under supervision so not catching birds mice to eat. 2nd there are 20 year old vegan cats around this pic black cat is in her 21st year the siamese died a few days before his 20th birthday peacefullly both vet tested healthy during their lives. an average siamese lives 13 years qed end of matter. do not need humans to kill unnaturally produced suffering freak animals ? i do not do it.. i am vegan. animals are not OURS to use is the 1st principle. and no these cats are not anomalies or supernatural beings just catsEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2hNoelle Obcarskas?ps i do not FORCE FEED My dogs or cat lol. i put food in a dish that they love to eat. they have no idea what the inert food humans put in their plates are and care even less. However....i would be FORCING DEATH on this turkey if I decided to kill her to feed a pet preferred cat or dog. oh this one was called xmas...she died anyway age 1 year old suffered all her unnatural life bred to suffer heavy unable to fly as turkeys can naturally. do not talk to me about "natural" this animal like all human bred animals are not natural. nothing more unnatural than a hairless ape human feeding a cat or a dog. no animal in nature does that for the entire life of another species of animal. that is as unnatural as it gets. what food we hairless biped apes put in their plates...another unnatural human lifestyle thing....is trivia in comparisonEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2hNoelle Obcarskas?ps the term "species appropriate" is btw fyi exactly what any cat or dog food has to be to have the words cat food on the labels when sold to the public. So using that term be careful....if talking the LAW or fantasies.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2hNoelle Obcarskas?Words like...COMPLETE also are a legal matter on pet food labels. There is a range of laws regulations about what can be put on pet foods that have to comply with "species appropriate" and "digestibility" etc issues for the stated species and age of the animal the pet food label states it is for.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2hNoelle Obcarskas?ppss the dog you mention and did not know much about...good point...the dog was a SHE. A welsh border colley rescue. Her name was BRAMBLE. Lived 25 years on a home made vegan diet by a woman still alive today called ANNE HERITAGE ! lol ! she sure got mad at me btw ! pissed her off bigtime when i did a facebook page on Bramble ! anyway she had several other dogs who fed the same home made stuff at the time lived also spectacular long lives. Now she grew her own veggies i add....and there is where she and I do not agree.....i say....an orange today has 1/8 of what an orange had 30 years ago in vitamin c. So ? all those minerals and vitamins in home made not commercial carefully prepared pet foods today are SHEIT. IMHO of course. My relatives peasants NEVER fed MEAT to our high energy hunting dogs just boiled pastas etc veggie slops like the pigs got....and they sure were high energy. Oh they never bought PET FOOD lol....thought I was an idiot and had too much money to waste that on dogsEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2hNoelle Obcarskas?yeah....if you read some previous comments...you will see the SPAT i got involved in on this post about some SHE wolves matter more than MALE wolf leaders ref this Anne Heritage person. Anyway. Have a good read and hopefully listen to the talks.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2hNoelle Obcarskas?And oh...i had no CHOICE about putting my dog on vegan diet or not....not that i objected....she had stomac ulcers....caused by acidity stomac produces to digest flesh. Breed high risk stomac cancer....relatives dying of that ....no brainer. I had 2 dogs by then and sod feeding the pup differently ....and he grew into the biggest belgian shepherd in the world on his vegan diet to the HORROR of the breeders and envy i add...anyway..the bitch became FCI CIE International Grand Champion and the male the biggest monster belgian shepherd in the world. Both different parentages i add but hey the pedigree world in so inbred they do have common ancestors.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1hNoelle Obcarskas?However i had NO worries about putting my cat on a vegan diet. Vegan Cat food exist ? end of problem for me. Not into looking for problems.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1hNoelle Obcarskas?And lets get real.....my cat would be DEAD by now long ago if not getting the nutrients she needs. I don't need the 21 year old cat examples myself. Lasted longer than my sick poor turkey hen hey.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1hNoelle Obcarskas?no vaccines....lol...well tell that to the people in France with loads of DEAD OF PIROPLASMOSE dogs....tic bourne disease...no vaccines for it in the UK...even VACCINATED dogs can get it but the symptoms reduced and easier to treat MAYBE but dogs die in 48 hours last i saw of that disease...I VACCINATED ! as i did against LYME...a malaria painful recurring disease common in the nordics..humans there get it even....no vaccines for that in the uk either. My dogs got kennel cough...in spite of vaccines. I agree rabies not needed every year or other vaccines the same....but i would have lost my dogs to piroplasmose or lyme or even leishmaniose had they not had vaccines. Bitch got ehrlichose....no vaccine...nearly died.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1hNoelle Obcarskas?dogs do not die if adult of kennel cough. waste of time vaccine except legal need if in a boarding kennel.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1hNoelle Obcarskas?My issue with home made...is the same as in the German Vegan Dogs and Cats group....putting veggies etc in meals is good idea...but add the commercially prepared supplements. The days of not Achilles but Anne Heritage are over....in that the gmo and pesticides and reduction in vitamins and minerals in veggies we buy off supermarkets or even in pik your own fields are SHEIT compared to the 70's and before thenEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1hNoelle Obcarskas?And all FLESH of farmed animals is also SHEIT today ....hasnt even got enough taurine in ti...full of processed GMO the farm animals get fed...so lets not talk about SOY SCARES hey...the soy farmed animals are fed if a dog eats that flesh is GMO the sheitest ! Then come the fertiliser chemicals...all that SHEIT processed into FLESH put into pet foods....no way hosay. I BUY ORGANIC BENEVO for my dogs and the COMPASSION CIRCLE LENTILS recipy if I use ORGANIC costs me 5 GBP PER DAY TO FEED MY DOGS ! EEEEEEK ! that is pricey....that is the cat's favorite recipy I add too....and NON ORGANIC lentils are much cheaper of course. Oh well. oh peas loved by my kitten..this was MY pea soupEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1hNoelle Obcarskas?eeek my sludge attempt at the organic lentils soupy compassion circle recipy. blew up 2 pressure cookers trying this.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1hSonja Visscher?Noelle Obcarskas I ramble? Hahaha! Look in the mirror. STOP!1Hide or report thisHaha?·?Reply?·?1hSonja Visscher?Are you trying to convince us, or yourself?Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?1hNoelle Obcarskas?Sonja Visscher LOL jaja oh i am verbose. I just like to share stuff. As i said...i didn't do any research for either my dogs or cat. Saw vegan cat food ? bought it. Same for the dogs. All the reading came afterwards. Vet had prescribed some expensive royal canin vegetarian dog foodEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1h?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?so when i found out vegan dog food was around and it was cheaper than prescription one....no brainer. Cat food had COMPLETE and word CAT on it ? ok with me. See words like ORGANIC and GMO FREE ? ok with me !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1h?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Now you can imagine...why i am BANNED in the VEGAN DOG NUTRITION groups lol ! hilarious !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1hNoelle Obcarskas?Anyway I shall cease hoping the talkers do not put your to sleep. I have a great problem staying awake in ANY talks I add lol ! but...seeing that you were needing as you stated more long term studies....I thought well my peasant relatives had no idea about nutrition..just fed our hunting high energy dogs veggie slops and didn't wait for researches. I see packets with legal words on them....lists of things I can check to checklists of aafco about...and that is fine with me. Oh i had no idea until a few weeks ago there were 21 year old vegan cats around btw...so now i share those finds.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1h?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?I think evidence of such cats dogs helps. Now if y u see the long rambling of mine spat over the Anne Heritage Leadership missing in talks bit in this post....you will see i am FURIOUS she hadn't done a story webpage about all those dogs or hers to just do 1 paragraph on them ages health and what fed. I HATE closed groups. HATE them. I like OPEN READABLE POSTS Groups. Of course just read plenty TROLLS heading into the VEGANS WITH VEGAN CATS group today....anyway....ENOUGH OF MY RAMBLES Ja lol ! This animal....is at my mercy...and needs my protection. I have no right to force death and suffering on animals like her. Not just because i prefer a pet cuddly cat that thrives perfectly well longer than she got to live on her vegan complete nutrition diet. As for my dogs they will not live as long as Bramble and her companions AND I DO NOT CARE i will NOT KILL THIS TURKEY OR OTHERS LIKE HER WHEN ALTERNATIVE FOOD IS AVAILABLE TO MY HEALTHY DOGS AND CAT and STUFF THE SCIENCE PEASANTS FOR DECADES NEVER BOUGHT PET FOOD NEVER READ A LABEL AND FED DOGS LIKE PIGS VEGGIE SLOPS AND THEY THRIVED. WE shot dogs too old to be of any use buried kittens alive and now we are supposed to get all mamby pamby about some unnatural dog that has no USE other than a PET to coo over and what it gets fed. They are shit factories. All of them. My grandfather KILLED a dog just because it came in the house...animals did not belong in human houses was his view...and the world would be a better place if we stopped playing "mummies and daddies" with "fur babies" thinking we gave birth to dogs and cats and realised they are PATHETIC excuses ...shadows of their ancestors...but even MORE PATHETIC are the lives of this turkey or chicken who gets to live only 6 weeks as a broiler chicken and animals humans FORCE into existence to KILL after a short NOT cuddly "fur baby" pet life. WHO is taking responsibility for HER ? WHO is FORCING HER to DIE ? when using the word FORCING let us try SEEING THE VICTIM a bit better hey ! a vegan fed dog is NOT A DEAD VICTIM AGE 6 WEEKS OLD ! or does no one think we have a responsibility for HER ?Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1h?·?EditedSonja Visscher?Noelle Obcarskas I have a read anything after I typed the word stop. I’m going to block you next.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?2mSonja Visscher?Start a blog, don’t take over somebody else’s page.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?1mNoelle Obcarskas?I take no orders from you...let the owner of this thread block me if he wishes....i am not a DOG to give orders to...block me as you wish...I WILL NOT STOP and if you don't like my words...then get stuffed.Noelle Obcarskas?you started this...telling ME that my cat is not vegan...you wanted to lecture me...so i replied....IN FULL.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1mSonja Visscher?Noelle Obcarskas i’ll say it again, your cat is not vegan. It was born a carnivore and you forced your vegan ways on it. Your cat was born with fangs and claws to rip flush, not eat vegetables. I saw a cat take down a pigeon the other day. It’s in their nature, it’s instinct. You’re stripping him of his natural instinct. That’s wrong.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?15mSonja Visscher?Noelle Obcarskas feeding a cat or dog kibble loaded with GMO‘s is wrong, let alone vegan kibble. It’s like eating cereal for their entire life. And, animals aren’t good at digesting raw vegetables because they have short intestines. You have to cook the vegetables and even purée them for animals to tolerate them. Would cats and dogs cook their vegetables in the wild? No. I didn’t think so. But, this is America, and you’re entitled to your own opinion. So we will agree to disagree on this. There’s no more discussion. Drop it.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?10mNoelle Obcarskas?Sonja Visscher judgemental twaddle and avoiding as all cowards do the real victim....it is not wrong to kill animals we FORCE into existence unnaturally and kill but it is wrong to feed an animal food it thrives on which does not involve the deaths of forced into existence and killed animals. STRIPPING my cat of natural instincts lol...ffs you really are deluded...about the difference of DEATH and ME STOPPING MY CAT GOING OUTSIDE to avoid road splats mostly. ffs. with such mental illogical spouts as you spout it is not hard to understand why you are not vegan. ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS ! never mind hypothetically STOPPING a cat chasing an effin bird but how about NOT FORCING SOMONE TO DIE ? anyone who cannot see a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE in those 2 matters is a retard. moron. So now I have given my judgement of you having seen yours of me.Like?·?Reply?·?1mNoelle Obcarskas?My cat is vegan. She is vegan fed. call her effin plant based or veggie it is all semantics. SHE IS VEGAN because i say she is. Nothing you say can make her non vegan.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2mNoelle Obcarskas?ooh i missed something..apparently it has something to do with AMERICA that allows freedom of opinion i just read ! HILARIOUS ! STUFF AMERICA i will SPEAK my views in any country....i am NOT IN THE USA ! what moronic argument is that to end a laugh on...hilarious !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1mNoelle Obcarskas?well actually now i see the problem....some people think some nations are superior to others ! well wtf are hairless apes keeping toy dog pets for ? to feel superior it seems to me. Cut off their testicles...put collars on leads on them...let them pee only when allowed to by owner hairless ape...and then think what is put in their food plate is a matter of importance ? missing FREEDOMS like not allowed to go wander free and have their own families seems a rather more serious matter to me than what food is put in their plates. I do not speak cat or dog....but...i do not think my cat or dogs have any idea what animal if any animal is in their plates that they eat out of. SO IT DOESN'T EFFIN MATTER does it ! they just want FOOD lol ! it is the OWNER who lives in fantasies lol ! never mind.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1mNoelle Obcarskas?Now the mistake people like this make...when wishing to end a discussion...is using ORDER imperative words like "DROP IT"....now that might work on a DOG but not me. I will NOT be spoken to like a DOG ! DOGS take orders and comply....humans FORCE them to learn to do that....I AM NOT A DOG !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1mNoelle Obcarskas?I shall offer to not reply again...if this person name already forgotten except in the paste of the spat i did of course ...I shall not reply again now if not replied to. Call it an offer to not refuse lol wink wink...an offer someone should not refuse...without ordering anyone not to reply. In conclusion...anyone who cannot see a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE between putting food in a dish for an animal to eat that it thrives on and forcing an animal into existence and killing it...is a retard. moron.Noelle Obcarskas?n.b. if anyone thinks i am failing to reply...it is simply that i cannot see if any further comments were made after a spat with a? has blocked me. Not a problem just saying if anyone thinks I am avoiding replying to this person that is not the case...i have been blocked. Which is ok too.Edit or delete thisLikeShow more reactions?·?Reply?·?1m……………………………………..CloseTimeline PhotosTag PhotoOptionsSend in MessengerLikeCommentShare HYPERLINK "" \t "" Andrew KnightFebruary 18?·??Calling all dog lovers! Do you wish you could feed your dog delicious, nutritious meals WITHOUT meat and other animal products? Are you wondering if your dog can thrive on a well-balanced plant-based diet? The answer is YES!Join ME and 16 other experts as we show you how at the first Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit—streaming online at NO CHARGE March 12—19.Each day is packed with must-know information, including shocking facts about the animal agriculture and pet food industries that may be harming your dog, which foods really promote cancer and which foods prevent it, delicious plant-based meals you can prepare at home, how to select a commercial vegan dog food, how increase your dog’s health and longevity with compassion for all animals + much more!Sign up for the Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit and gain the knowledge and confidence to raise a thriving plant-powered dog!Register today before time runs out! link to? of Form105You, Mike Creighton, Marlene Narrow?and?102 others222 Comments135 SharesLikeCommentShareCommentsClaire Jones My dogs are vegan ?10Like?·?Reply?·?4dMeg Pryor Claire do you make their food (ie: similar to what you’d be eating) or do you buy them a commercial vegan pet food? Just interested to see if anyone is cooking for their pets as well as themselves?Like? ?·?Reply?·?4d? Claire Jones Meg Pryor I buy a commercial pet food. I’m such an awful cook that I’d never subject anyone to eating what I make (except my husband ?).3Like? ?·?Reply?·?4d? Eric Martin Claire Jones how long have they been vegan? How old are they?Like? ?·?Reply?·?4d? Lucy Davies Meg Pryor I rescued my little girl over 3 years ago and feed human grade plant based kibble. She does eat home cooked meals occasionally but it's very difficult to make them nutritionally complete.She's 8 1/2 now and in excellent health.Many do feed mostly home cooked meals, with supplements, but I worry that their pets are getting all the nutrients they need.2Like? ?·?Reply?·?4d? Claire Jones Lucy Davies2Like? ?·?Reply?·?4d? Claire Jones Eric Martin one of them is 6, vegan for 3 and a half years. The other is possibly 3 (she was a stray so we don’t exactly know) vegan for 18 months.1Like? ?·?Reply?·?4d? Eric Martin Claire Jones do you know of any source where i could find more info?Like? ?·?Reply?·?4d? Claire Jones Eric Martin Reasons Your Dog Should…26 Reasons Your Dog Should Go Vegan1Like? ?·?Reply?·?3d? Claire Jones I know that they're a company so probably have selling their products in mind but I honestly believe it's better for dogs to have a plant based diet. My dogs are very healthy and the vet always agrees :)1Like? ?·?Reply?·?3d?·?Edited? Victoria Myerson My vet is perfectly happy with my two greyhounds, been vegan since we rescued them 3 years ago.My previous greyhound was vegan from 8 months old, she came early to rescue as she had broken both back legs, the vegan dog food was perfect for her as it had the lower protein needed for a non racing greyhound.Vets have never had any issue with the greyhounds being vegan.2Like? ?·?Reply?·?3dTop of FormWrite a reply...Andy Schulgasser I just euthanized my dog last month just 3 months before she turned 20 years old. She was destroyed by neglectful vets office. She would have lived beyond 20 if not for being stuck there when I was taken to ER for broken arm. …See More4Sad?·?Reply?·?4dLucy Davies I'm so sorry for your loss. The treatment you and your dog received is unforgivable. I would name and shame them. I'm unsure why you didn't make sure they would care for her properly and why they objected so strongly to feeding her food she was accustomed to.Not a vet I would go to and I hope they are held accountable for her loss :(2Like? ?·?Reply? ?·?4dAndy Schulgasser Lucy Davies she was brought there by friend who though they would care for her. Especially for the charge of $320/nite. Every day was battling with them on the phone begging them to give her the basic care. It was a nightmare. I gave review on yelp of my exact same experience there. Someone responded by just calling me a bitch. I reported them to yelp & I believe they removed it.I decided few years ago that i can no longer handle dealing with vets offices that are decent, battling rentals with outrageous fees & horrible designs for animals so I’m done with adopting animals. I will get my animal fix by working with others animals only. No more fighting with organizationsThank you so much for your thoughtsLike? ?·?Reply? ?·?4d? ?·?Edited? ? Katrina Fox Clare Mann Rach V Moran Denise Tuck Tara Maher FYI.4Like?·?Reply?·?4dClare Mann My dogs are vegan - I took a 12 year old once called Topaz who was so malnurished, she had fungal infections, no hair on her back (german shepherd/kelpie), and skeletal. I put her on a vegan diet and she lives a full life with a full coat of hair and vitality until 17! We can't abuse one animal to be kind to another5Like? ?·?Reply? ?·?4d HYPERLINK "" Bottom of Form? Anke van Hengel Jasmine Kestelijn1Like? ?·?Reply? ?·?4d1Madison Norgren My vegan pup!4Like? ?·?Reply? ?·?4dHide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?4dDominic Parkes?The actual leaders of vegan Dog food are Anne Heritage and Marcia Katz Neither of whom are on yr summit Older advocates recommended vegtarian Dog food not vegan The whole idea of leaders, esp those who appropriate the work of others is anti the vegan ethos. Vets on the whole have been part of the problem traditionally, promoting death foods When Anne and Marcia started out no one advocated vegan Dog food, only vegetarian Its distasteful and disrespectful to steal peoples intellectual property them claim its your own You have lifted Annes ideas almost word for word She might not mind because it's about stopping Animal suffering but please dont claim to be leaders, a self serving concept and show actual vegan Dog food pioneers some respect by acknowledging authentic sources Katz and Heritage were feeding vegan as opposed to veggie in the seventies2Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?4d?·?Edited HYPERLINK "" Hide 84 RepliesNoelle Obcarskas?I do not understand your hostility to this effort to promote vegan dog feeding. I have the book Anne Heritage wrote called "Bramble the dog who wanted to live forever" and there is no recipy in the book on how to make your own vegan dog food is my first point Nor is there a website on the matter either. So for me and others we bought commercially made vegan dog foods as nowhere else could we be assured what to feed. That Bramble was the most famous so encouraging example of a vegan fed dog who lived to 25 years without the details of how to make a balanced meal for a dog people need details. Just saying rice textured protein flakes and some herbs as is in the book is to my mind not enough detail. I do not understand your point ref vegetarian...my first prescription diet to cure my bitch stomac ulcers was vegetarian royal canin...99 percent vegan but with some trace of fish in it. I have i admit never heard of Marcia Katz i shall google to find out...i just did nothing came up for vegan dogs. Stopping animal cruelty is the goal...so of course "leaders" meaning people with nutrition qualifications and experience are needed. I have been feeding my dogs over 5 years plant based and my cat 1 year and currently have concerns over DCM heart disease in dogs due to it is said grain free...having a breed with heart risk genetic issues this is of interest to me to learn more about to try prevent. Claiming intellectual property has been stolen word for word is a jaw dropping claim ! Anyway. I end with a picture of my 2 vegan dogs. They now in the uk eat Benevo and V-Dog and i am interested in knowing more of the differences of ingredients etc I have made them Compassion Circle home made recipes also using their supplement powders. Considering that many are still UNAWARE of the existence even of vegan dog and cat food or are nervous and do not wish to read reams of the??not very widely known website of Dr Knight it is helpful to have podcasts or whatever the word is to spread the news more..a recent survey in the USA where vegan petfoods have existed for 30 years now found only 27 percent of vegans fed their pets vegan....that is not good enough.Edit or delete this2Like?·?Reply?·?4d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ps I just got the standard GRUNT of "dogs need meat" type comment on an article talking of DOGS DEAD ON MEAT BASED FOOD !? dog food this time subject to recalls. So in spite of recalls...dead dogs...people are still hostile to feeding dogs vegan...I mentioned Bramble in a comment there...got 2 ANGRY reactions to that picture of my dogs even !1Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?4dNoelle Obcarskas?and let's not talk about the recent DEATH WISHES i got for feeding my CAT vegan ! who are the LEADERS for VEGAN CATS ? well dare I say Dr Andrew Knight and co ! without their websites and videos on youtube....we vegan dog and cat owners would get even MORE abuse ! EDIT...in fact...I consider myself a LEADER ! yes ! while i am at it ! i do not have a 25 years fed vegan dog to defend my position ! i am stuck with a 1 year old vegan fed cat who gets me DEATH WISHES ! let alone the vegan fed dogs getting me called an "ANIMAL ABUSER " and WHO can i refer to with evidence and explanations to defend myself out there ?2Like?·?Reply?·?4d?·?Edited2Edit or delete thisLike?·?ReplyC?·?4d?·?EditedCOMMENT ON HOW MY CAT IS NOT VEGAN REPLY to person who has BLOCKED me I now realise….Noelle Obcarskas?oh here we go...well maybe read the website and listen to the talk anyway. My cat IS vegan fed by the way and she is an indoor cat to prevent any "in denial" wish to think she eats kills outside only outside under supervision. This cat in this picture?is currently in her 21st year tested by vets several times healthy so even without understanding the science....the reality is she is not a supernatural being and is vegan thriving long lived cat. Her companion the siamese died peacefully in his bed a few days before his 20th birthday also healthy lived and siamese usually live only 13 years. Celine and Poppy. end of matter for me and anyone who is not blind. Plenty long lived healthy dogs and cats fed vegan around Bramble was ahead of her time but she sure would NOT have lived that long just due to "exceptional" non diet related factors.Edit or delete this2Like?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?oh and the ginger and black/white cat in this musical slideshow of vegan cats has been vegan fed for 7 years.? or delete this HYPERLINK "" \t "_blank" Real Vegan Cats…2Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?ps i do not FORCE food on my dogs or cat....i put food in a dish. Never head of anyone "force feeding" a pet lol and I see no point in "forcing" 3000 chickens for 1 dog or 1000 for 1 cat to die since that is not necessary because I am VEGAN and i believe in the 1st principle of veganism....which is ? ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS ! to use.4Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ah gmos well that is what all farmed animals are forced to eat of course....so processed into their flesh. MY vegan dogfood is ORGANIC and GMO free.1Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?Now..unless a COWARD...if i really believed my cat or dogs needed this "Magic" unscientific word MEAT then i would KILL MY TURKEYS hey ! only a coward pays to kill other people's turkeys....or I would choose based on "which were more USEFUL to me as pets" maybe.ps SHE DIED age 1 year old after 1 full year of suffering pain in legs etc oh and she was an ORGANIC high class free range bred artificial insemination of eggs as standard top class turkey so let's not start the "organic" are best stuff hey. Never able to fly...in pain...and lasted 1 year suffering. THAT Is not DIGNIFIED to justify to feed some PET i say. WHERE IS THE EVEN COMPARABLE SUFFERING OF MY VEGAN FED CAT OR DOGS ? she would if a WILD NATURAL turkey live for 15 years and be able to FLY 25 miles flights !Edit or delete this1Like?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedDominic Parkes?Noelle, its like everything women do that they pioneer, it gets taken up by others who claim the ideas as their own . Its respectful to quote pioneers and the sources of ideas . Annes dogs were vegan in the seventies but as there was no social media flak was less intense. in her book she explains what food she fed but its much more about a wholistic care regime not just a diet. its also the biography of a dog, not just a recipe book per se . Calling yourself a leader is disrespectful to those you hope to educate hopefully they lack info not intelligence . Im not hostile to the idea of vegan dog food education just people trying to claim the work of women as their own Re vets, they dont have a great record on nutrition The proof is none on their clients dogs live as long as they could . All Annes dogs lived to nineteen, twenty or as with Bramble twenty five. Marcia Katz is well known by older activists for her work promoting vegan dogs . This post appears to be two stage marketing, intially free but probably then steering people to products they want to sell or promote . People should at least quote sources of ideas as with academic work and we should assist in empowering carers not claim to be leaders,that's such a right wing sort of concept.1Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?My point is....where is the help to others to feed their dogs vegan out there from Anne or this other unheard of by me person ? was it difficult to produce that on a webpage somewhere for information ? I produced a blog website yes to give others information....providing LINKS to those who were qualified to give scientific details etc....Scientific studies are exactly what the website of Dr Knight provides ! i added more to my blog on the topics i add...so JA BOO Anne's dogs lived so long ja boo in the sense of HOW USEFUL IS THAT TO ME ? when i have no visibility or ability to buy her recepies even ? useless. This is one of the pages I wrote with information links all over it....took much time....not as professional as the Dr Knights pages that I include with his videos on my pages...but I TRIED to provide INFORMATION DETAILS.? was a term you used not the vets of this talk....so having seen it used now you say it is not LEADERS we need well i do not give a toss what you call talkers or information providers but if people want to bandy around titles then I will take that one too lolEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?and this...was the last days suffering of Christmas my turkey hen? or delete this HYPERLINK "" \t "_blank" Christmas Turkey hen…Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?3d?·?EditedDominic Parkes?Anne is currently writing a dog food book . She spent forty years of her life bringing up rescue dogs . She doesnt do recipe books because they tend not to provide full nutrient quotas if you do recipes separately. Katz wrote a lot of links about the vegan food and Madison Norgren is the best source imo on vegan cat food.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?As i recall Anne got much information from some Nutritionist. Forget the name but never a link provided and whoever it was helped Anne obviously in a very very successful result in her dogs not just Bramble. I have NO ISSUE with paying for valuable information ! however where is it on sale ?Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?I had no reply from that Maddison when alarmed with a KITTEN in the uk there was NO VEGAN KITTEN food around....and only the lists of suppliers and masses of emails by me as no replies on forums i found out .....only compassion circle home made recepeies were ok for kittens ami is for ADULTS....well that pissed me off...but DID I FEED THE KITTEN MEAT ? no...i was prepared to let her DIE rather than kill my turkeys and just hoped she would do ok Where are the information pages done by this Maddison then hey ? i have never seen any ! do not get me going....my kitten got to adulthood ok...not as good as if she had kitten specific food no doubt but ok I ordered compassion circle stuff from the USA ...took weeks before i found that was what i need and got itEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedDominic Parkes?She researched quite a lot. One of the sources was US writer Adele Davis but Davis only explains what nutrients are in what food. She wasnt vegan. Shes been dead a few years but her books are still around.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?So my point is...what USE is that to me and people who want to know about feeding their dogs and cats vegan ? we have to rely on something ! information someone takes the trouble to provide and the petfood producers who make themEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?ah i bought a book on dog recepies...heather coster name...and only ONE recipy stated..."a complete nutrition" for dogs ! no details of calories..fat..protein..just lists of ingredients. I CANNOT DEAL WITH THAT ! i do not know what a CARB looks like it?is just a WORD to me i am not a scientist..but....i understand TABLES and LISTS and AAFCO lists and grams of this and that and allocated nutritional values ! my peasant relatives just stuffed pasta rice and veggies in our dogs bowls....never bothered their heads about CALORIES or PROTEIN words...but I like to think i have advanced from that...the dogs were fine...but i am not into that...i want more details and assurances. Oh they never fed PETFOOD or MEAT to the hunting dogs lol...too expensive to waste on dogs...and by golly the dogs had energy....but I live in a MODERN world and do not grow my own veggies and all that shit is full of ARSENIC is in the rices from USA bangladesh and all veggies have 50 percent LESS nutrients than 40 years ago even Boots chemist multivits labels tell me that....8 oranges to get the same vitamin c as 1 orange 40 years ago...all that jazz...i need assurancesEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?i am NOT eating 8 oranges to get the same vitamin c that 1 orange had 40 years ago. Take a multivit is less force feeding myself. I would be SICK of oranges if i had to eat all that.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.? of that Marcia is it ? anyway not workingEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?Now that i am in full flow....let me add something else hey ! I did a FACEBOOK page on Bramble ! a simple short page with the AMAZON SOLD BOOK details of "Bramble the dog who wanted to live forever" all i added was that the dog had lived 25 years on a?vegan diet....as the Amazon and other websites state and even get wrong stating 27....and ? Anne objected and had the page REMOVED by facebook for "intellectual property" rights abuse " now all I did it for was to INFORM PEOPLE OF THE EXISTANCE of this Bramble vegan dog....I was not getting any MONEY from it ! and THAT is how UNHELPFUL and UNINFORMATIVE to others Anne reacted ! She accused me of trying to make money ! jaw dropping it was.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedDominic Parkes?You could always do what older vegans did. Research stuff yourself. Anyway Im not objecting to info providers, just those who dont qoute their sources.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?I still have the page i did on Little Tyke...again same principle...picture from the book sold publically... or delete thisLittle Tyke the Vegan Cat…Little Tyke the Vegan Cat Lioness1Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?what SOURCES ? are you saying Anne went and gave all her knowledge to Dr Knights etc ? I do not understand...I have never seen mention of "interviews" with Anne by anyone....or videos...so what "acknowledgements" are expected ? the PETA etc people who wrote articles on Bramble had nothing about her diet details provided just the FACT that the dog lived 27 years they keep getting wrong on a vegan diet ! Vegan Dog Lives To 189 Years | Care2 Healthy Living cette page26 juin 2013 - Have you heard about the veggie-eating dog who lived to the ripe age of 27? That's 189 dog years! The dog, Bramble, a blue merle Collie, ...Bramble the Vegan Dog Lives to 189 Years | Border Collie Fan Club://bramble-the-vegan-dog......Traduire cette pageHave you heard of her story before? Bramble, an amazing Border Collie who lived to just over 25 years old. That's equivalent to 189 in dog years!Vous avez consulté cette page 2 fois. Dernière visite : 16/11/17Edit or delete Vegan Dog Lives to 189 Years |…Vegan Dog Lives to 189 Years | Care2 Healthy LivingLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?3d?·?EditedDominic Parkes?I know her well. We live in same town . She considered Bramble her daughter and was sad youd put up a page about her dog without bothering to ask her. Shes an ok person whose helped me with my dog Sams diet and helped care for my last Alsation cross. What have you done for Animal rights. Youve criticised Anne and Maddison so have you done any research yourself? Her book explains a care regime and quotes certain phrases and ideas . Now there are band wagon jumpers out there using the ideas but putting other twists on them like calorie restriction which Ive never heard her mention.1Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Oh right now we have 1 individual sorted diet for a dog news. WHAT USE IS THAT TO ME OR OTHERS ? is again my point. People out there are not even AWARE of Bramble generally and not even a facebook page is hardly helping promote vegan dogs is it ? I told you and provided the link i did on a webpage with a huge number of links to relevant useful information on vegan dogs and cats. I am the one who replies on youtube etc posts about vegan dogs and cats....not ONCE have i seen Anne do that hey ! not one video explaining things...or showing vegan dogs or cats. Even the references to BRAMBLE are of people like PETA not Anne ! wtf are people supposed to think when people cannot point to any reference of the owner of the dog ? oh some pages with information videos photos of my own vegan cat even done... or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedDominic Parkes?Most vegan activists have heard of Bramble, and of Katz. Annes book has been out for a few years. Actually she has care concerns regarding an elderly relative now . Whats stopping you do your own research? . Are you the person who was threatening Anne?that you were going to kill a dog you were looking after because you werent researching and said you couldnt find vegan dog food,? I heard this person thought shelter dogs should be killed rather than fed meat? If thats you do you still think that?Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Dominic Parkesnow you are getting very boring telling me (and others of course) to go do all the research ourselves not even providing the name of any books. Very helpful not. I was going to kill a dog that was dumped on me if a vegan feeding home were not found for it ref that remark. I was not prepared to rehome a dumped on me staffie dog of some druggies who sold him to someone for 8gbp for drugs to a non vegan feeding home. not going to be responsible for thousands of chickens turkeys deaths. I would not waste my time as i did driving all night to a vegan feeding home I found the dog again. Anne was not threatened...such twaddle. I simply asked if she knew anyone who would take such a dog out of desperation. Idiocy ....now you are simply wishing to be negative and critical and since you have nothing useful to direct anyone to for information paid or unpaid...sit in your smug you have the personal private knowledge from Anne as you stated and tell me to go research stuff as you please but it is just griping with nothing to offer is my view. right. off this tiresome unproductive discussion with you? or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedDominic Parkes?I didnt say you threatened her I said you threatened to kill the dog which you just admitted. I can now see why so many people block you. Goodnight. I have no time for lazy people who insist others do all their thinking for them and you have slagged offcAnne and Maddison. who have spent years promoting veganism. Time you helped do some of the work yourself instead o running others down,esp when theyve taken the time to read your long diatribes.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?good. I block many myself who issue me with death threats all sorts of course since i am out in public showing my support for vegan dogs and cats publically. If i have to kill...i choose the minimal numbers. 1 dog or 3000 chickens was a no brainer.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ah another youtube threatener of me is at it again on some video i commented on positively for vegan cats....need to deal with that prat now so SAVED BY THE BELL lol no time to waste here more on youEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dDominic Parkes?Well support those who came before you and did the hardest work. All Ive said is women deserve recognition for thier ideas. Not that controversial surely.1Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedDominic Parkes?Noelle ObcarskasIm sure people reading this will breathe a sigh of relief. I cant imagine why anyone would want to kill you.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?I MENTION BRAMBLE OFTEN ! i do not often mention the name Anne Heritage as she does not have even a page on her dog and no point directing them to her facebook page she isnt up to dealing with the people i have to deal with obviously and does not WANT to because if she did she would have such a page or reference point.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?why would people wish me to die a "slow painful death" as the exact words of the last one were ? because I FEED MY CAT VEGAN was the row over that !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?Someone of the "CATS MATTER" group that was...yesterday it was i think if not the day before....an organisation into dealing with the 130 thousand cats killed on British roads every year wanting taxpayers to deal with admin to report and find owners about ....because currently there is no legal obligation to report run over by cars cats.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dDominic Parkes?Noelle ObcarskasActually she does have a page under construction but like all pages it will keep trolls out. She also has other pages on environmental concerns. oh and one trying to stop construction on Greenfield Animal habitat. Tell me again what you do?1Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Dominic Parkeswhat do i do ? waste my time communicating with no useful information people like you it seems lolEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dLucy Davies?Noelle Obcarskas there are FB groups for people feeding dogs and cats a plant based diet. One I'm in Anne also belonged to and she shared her recipes, so maybe become a part of a community of like minded people.Just reading your comments you appear to?want to be a leader on a topic you don't have enough information about.Sometimes it pays to be quiet, listen and learn!Anne did have a public page, perhaps she was pestered so much she had to shut it down. That's really sad as she's such a lovely lady.Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dCassidy Jordyn?i completely agree that it is important to acknowledge the pioneers of this movement, especially women. I also think that it's incredibly important that veterinary/nutritionist experts continue to publicly host events like this to encourage doubters &?interested parties to feed plant-based foods to companion animals. Many people are skeptical about a story from someone claiming they fed their dog this/that without vet professionals confirming the health aspects as well. Anne is who inspired me to learn more absolutely but it is difficult to find actual advice & nutritional info from her & others and it always helped to reassure me when I had conversation with professionals as well. Perhaps talk to Anne and encourage dr. Knight & others arranging this summit to invite her to speak next time if she wishes. I'm sure we would all love to hear more about her story & experience rather than piecing it together with some info found online. She did used to be an active participant of many Facebook groups on the subject but I have not seen anything from her in a long while. It's important to ensure that this info & insight is accessible at all times and from as many sources as possible??Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dTabby Thunder?Noelle Obcarskas?I just searched for Anne Heritage on Facebook and asked her, she was kind and patient enough to give me her tried and tested recipe ..Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dCassidy Jordyn?Dr. Knight has been working for MANY years to compile data & scientific evidence on the subject and has several scholarly articles available to peruse. His insight & background are incredibly important to this movement too as there aren't many vet professionals putting in the research for this.2Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?Tabby Thunder?lol which u do not share here. what a waste of puffed up time. if only available to favoured individuals excuse me while i puke if that is supposed to be helping the animals out there generally... that is so typical....boasting one has advantages...that one does not share. say no more. i yawn off seeing JA BOO so YOU have something that apparently no one else can have unless personal advantage.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Lucy Davies tosspot comment i do not go around giving recipies to people i provide links to compassion circle etc who do..people do ask. now those groups with Anne in them BANNED me as soon as i asked...where is the taurine in the recipy ? on a post...not an offensive question hey...and those recipies are not publically visible. i have no time for that kind of prattishness. i listen or read quantified experts if talking recipies not even the heather coster unquantified even calories recipies are good enough for me to trust.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?This is so typical actually...of puffed up toads (apologies to toads i could even say fluffed up turkeys or peacocks) offended that THEY are not being STROKED publically whining and spitting at those trying to help others learn more about how to save?animals. Instead of doing pm to the conference organisers or whatever it is these "leaders" or just yappers or talkers without even calling them LEADERS myself as i do not give a TOSS who is talking what i care about is DETAILS of what they might have to say of use ...yes instead of communicating to ASK CAN I OR SO AND SO TALK TOO ? we get a HOSTILE bashing of these people in PUBLIC to achieve what ? MORE PEOPLE GOING TO THINK TO FEED DOGS VEGAN ? is THAT the objective of slating people for using ONCE the word LEADERS in some advert about a talk of vegan dog food ? what do i think to that ? PATHETIC ! PATHETIC EGOCENTRIC TWADDLE ! Seems clear...this missed initially by me word LEADERS in this pr about a talk on vegan dog food.has RUFFLED FEATHERS hey ! because EVERYONE WANTS TO BE THE GAFFA syndrome hey ! it was MY idea rants of kids throwing toys out of cots !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?oh jeah....well NOW you all know....why I AM THE ONE DEALING WITH THE EDUCATION OF THE GRUNTS and DEATH WISHERS hey ! someone has to ! crack some skulls to get through ! and I just realised..the GRUNTS are the LEAST of the problem it is the hiding behind no websites uncontactable never out there dealing with the YOU ARE KILLING YOUR CAT and ANIMAL ABUSER and LIAR and I WILL GET YOU JAILED and I WILL KILL YOUR DOGS and I HOPE YOU DIE A SLOW DEATH comments people that are the bigger problem ! they want STROKING ! not all that SHIT that foot soldiers or leaders out front get ! they want TITLES like LEADER ! it is like the queens New Years Honours list....OBE ! OTHER BUGGERS EFFORTS are wanted ! x number of dogs fed vegan ? ALL PRAISE AND HONOUR TO THESE PEOPLE FIRST syndrome ! It is the same in the army. HQ sit in safe offices ringing up the battle field on mobiles that only work if out in the open...and when someone does take the RISK to answer the phone going out in the open under fire out of the shelter...and replies to HQ question of....HOW ARE THINGS ? ...WE ARE UNDER MORTAR FIRE and ALL YOU CAN ASK IF HOW ARE THINGS ? F U ! and gets told I AM YOUR SUPERIOR OFFICER i want a REPORT ON MY DESK BY MONDAY MORNING..we understand how the world works better. Those that take the flack....are not interested in the title LEADER they are too busy trying to stay alive and getting on with the job. I MISSED SEEING THE WORD LEADERS ! i had to read the article link again to FIND it ! THAT IS HOW UNINTERESTED I AM IN THAT WORD !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?I WANT DETAILS I WANT DETAILS !!! I do not care what TITLE the people giving me or others those details are...but I WANT DETAILS ! and explanations.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?Ok Morning and stll no replies on For the Love of turkeys or Vegans with Chickens about my worry that another of my turkeys may have respiratory disease...the baby tom is chuff chuffing constantly...is this NORMAL for a male turkey ? or sign that he has a cold ? sigh. I dunno. But I just lost Christmas age 1 year old who sneezed and struggled to breath all her short life due to Mycoplasma so to lose another or have to watch him start to suffer as she did is not pleasing me....more antibiotics ..Xmas became immune to the ones i gave her for months....was too late by the time i got different ones...RIGHT ! now....here is some INFORMATION that maybe can be ADDED TO THE TALKS AGENDA ! yep....I HAVE DETAILS !!! and here I come !....Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?THIS IS....ANNE HERITAGE RECIPY FOR VEGAN DOGS " "Anne Heritage Hi. Bramble and her companions were fed long grain whole brown rice, red split lentils and textured vegetable protein chunksWith yeast extract, organic veg, say cabbage, broccoli, carrots. Quarter a teaspoon of ground flax seed . cooked for approx an hour with lots of water. With pinch of turmeric and teaspoon of mintThe Tvp was the dark one which has more taste. All food was always organic. Amounts are roughly one mug rice, half mug lentils ,half mug tvp, two mugs veg between two collie size Dogs.Anne Heritage Oils best fed via seeds like flax powder or chia seeds. Neat processed oils can cause pancreatic issues, even flax oil.Anne Heritage It was vetinary advice given to me by a qualified vet. Ive always found it sound. As for peer reviewed studies on any vegan Dog food Where re they? It would be good if there were some contemporary ones, but guessing there arent any done that can reasonably be called independent."Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?whoops...what word do I see in that ? VET ! eeeek ! now where are the CREDITS given to the NAMED ? VET that gave ANNE her information ? i mean this issue is about RECOGNISING THOSE WHO GAVE INFORMATION THE FIRST ! seems that VET is UNNAMED GRAVE hey no VET was named in her book....MORE UNKNOWN SOLDIER GRAVES !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?whoops..what do i read also ? claim of no peer reviewed vegan dog food " none that are "independent" eeeeeeek ! now last i commented on youtube to someone saying Dr Knight was EARNING from his "propaganda" and words like that for information he was talking about...I REPLIED I HAD CHECKED ! the man WAS a qualified vet....and he was NOT on the board of any Vegan Pet Food manufacturers or earning income from them....oh some DOUBTING THOMASES have not actually accused me of MAKING UP THIS PICTURE however ! one win ! ps there is a problem of course with this issue...people who make the petfoods NEED EXPERTISE in them so obviously are experts in nutrition issues...but it is hard to persuade others when the issue of independence is raised about their views of course. It is a double edged sword in effect. The reality is....we need both....experts in the MAKING of the pet foods as well as independent reviews of them.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ah another (shorter than some I have) Anne Heritage recipy comment..."Anne Heritage? to 100% Vegan Products UKMarch 27, 2017 ·?Just saw post of someone saying they'll be getting a dog and asking what people feed but comments turned off. I would recommend cooking Dogs food yourself. Organic whole grain rice red split lentils yeast extract organic veg bit of flax seed. I fed my Dog Bramble this and she lived to 25 yrs old. World's oldest bitch when she died. Other Dogs in my care fed vegan lived to 20 yrs (one) and nineteen years three of them. If you want your Dog to live longer than flesh fed feed vegan. Do your researchIts also cheaper than ready made muck full of chemicals and slaughterhouse wastes."Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?THAT IS ANOTHER PROBLEM ANNE RIGHTLY POINTS OUT ! the TOPIC PET FOOD BANNED or THREADS CLOSED in VEGAN GROUPS !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?right back to RECIPES ! for those who DARED to accuse me of LAZINESS....here is evidence that I TRIED TO QUANTIFY what my 2 large dogs needed....and that is if anyone reads ANY dog nutrition page about AGE WEIGHT ENERGY LEVELS of the dogs ...this is my?comment I add....trying to GET TO DETAILS..."Anne heritage dogfood recipy posts analysis and combination of finds…ConclusionFor 2 very large dogs…each 50kg weight…total dogs weight 100kg. quantities of food needs per day for nutritionally complete meals needing no added vitamins or minerals or taurine…What is missing…and needs to be quantified…is…the TOTAL CALORIES. TOTAL PROTEIN. TOTAL FATS, TOTAL VITAMINS, MINERALS, OMEGA 3 and OMEGA 6 quantities per 100 grams of these ingredients are. In total therefore what the nutritional content is of each meal.1. Probiotics powder. 2 tablespoons2. Vegeyeast powder. 2 tablespoons3. Chia seeds soaked/ground. 1 teaspoon.?4. Flax/linseed soaked/ground. 1 teaspoon?5. Organic long grain brown rice 2 cups = 200 grams?6. Lentils 1 cup 100 grams.?7. Textured soy or vegetable protein flakes 1 cup 100 grams.?8. Vegetables 4 cups. Mix of organic carrot and cabbage and broccoli. Chopped/sliced. Carrots = 50 grams per 1 cup. Cabbage = 200 grams per 1 cup. Broccoli = 100 grams per 1 cup.9. Turmeric. 1 teaspoon per day. Organic with cucurmin 5 percent content.10. Mint. 1 teaspoon per day. Oregano. Rosemary. Basil also small similar quantities possible.11. 2 bananas. Or mango melon plums (minus stones)12. Pumpkin seeds ground/soaked. 1 teaspoon13. Sunflower seeds ground/soaked 1 teaspoon.14. 1 teaspoon of organic unrefined hemp oil.This combination and quantities is believed to fullfill ALL the nutrients needs of a dog. Depending on quantities eaten of course. However the items selected can be changed for different veggies etc but I deliberately left out KALE due to oxalate issues bad for kidneys with some kale varieties. Likewise potatos. I chose broccoli…however even that has warnings ref quantities for dogs ref oxalates I noted. GREENS are needed…it is a question of WHICH greens are best to give. Low oxalate greens are Cabbage, Cauliflour and peas. High are potatoes, some kales and sweet potatoes.For different size dogs…based on 100kg weight of dog requirements in list requirements, adaptable proportionately.1. Probiotics powder. 2 tablespoons2. Vegeyeast powder. 2 tablespoons3. Chia seeds soaked/ground. 1 teaspoon.?4. Flax/linseed soaked/ground. 1 teaspoon?5. Organic long grain brown rice 2 cups = 200 grams (432 Calories cooked. Fat 2grams, Carbs 88 grams , Protein 10 grams)6. Lentils 1 cup 100 grams. (353 calories. Cooked 323, 3% fat cooked 20%, 68% carbs cooked 36%, 29% protein cooked 20%. Fat 1 gram cooked 12 grams. Carbs 60grams cooked 36 grams Protein 26grams cooked 16 grams. Potassium 955 grams, cooked 672 grams, Sodium 6mg cooked 431mg, Sugars 3 grams cooked. Vitamin C, Calcium, Iron. Vitamin A destroyed in cooking. Saturated fat 8% cooked.7. Textured soy or vegetable protein flakes 1 cup 100 grams. ( Simmered for 1 hour stovetop = in pressure cooker estimate 4 minutes) (Calories 330, Fat 1 gram, Carbs 38 grams, Protein 47 grams. Vitamin C, Calcium, Iron)8. Vegetables 4 cups. Mix of organic carrot and cabbage and broccoli. Chopped/sliced. Carrots = 50 grams per 1 cup. Cabbage = 200 grams per 1 cup. Broccoli = 100 grams per 1 cup.Carrots…MASSIVE Vitamin A cooked. 60 Calories.Brocoli MASSIVE Vitamin C cooked. 35 Calories.Cabbage. 30 percent rda of Vitamin C some calcium and vitamin A and 1% iron . 42 Calories.9. Turmeric. 1 teaspoon per day. Organic with cucurmin 5 percent content.10. Mint. 1 teaspoon per day. Oregano. Rosemary. Basil also small similar quantities possible.11. 2 bananas. Or mango melon plums (minus stones)12. Pumpkin seeds ground/soaked. 1 teaspoon13. Sunflower seeds ground/soaked 1 teaspoon.14. 1 teaspoon of organic unrefined hemp oil.1 oz of pumpkin seeds = 150 calories ! 1tbspoon flaxseeds ground 37 calories. sunflower seeds 100 calories ! Chia seeds 1 tbsp 130 calories. 1 banana 100 calories. 1 tbsp hemp oil 120 calories.nearly HALF the calories of the bulk ingredients with texture are coming from just a few spoons of SEED OILS ! and the VITAMINS from the veggies...interesting.Ps All that quantity…may or may NOT fit into a standard average 6 liter pressure cooker pot safely. Therefore reduce quantities cooked for several cooking sessions accordingly or use largest possible size pressure cooker GoWise 12 liters capacity for less cooking sessions. 5 cups veggies 1 liter water approx.. We are taking 6 cups of food ingredients including the 1 cup lentils that are high foam risk without 1 teaspoon of hemp oil in the cooking pot. Natural Release Pressure valve system better than Quick Release Pressure valve that veggies usually use due to lentils sticky foam splurting issues.I have not tried this recipy yet to test the quantities possible.Process:1. Grind in nutribullet grinder seeds. 2 minutes.2. Soak seeds separately overnight. If not ground. If ground no need to soak.3. Soak lentils overnight. Min 2 hours for lentils if not overnight. 2 minutes grinding time in machine.4. Rinse rice several times prior to putting in pot to cook. No need to soak rice. 5 minutes.5. Put all lentils veggies and textured protein flakes in pot with water. Add 1 teaspoon of hemp oil. Ratio 6 parts water to 1 part ingredients. Cook on high pressure for 4 minutes. Natural Release Valve pressure not quick release. Takes about 5 minutes after ending cooking time of 4 minutes. Total warm up time of 5 minutes plus cook time 4 minutes plus depressure time of 5 minutes makes a total of 14 minutes total time in pressure cooker.6. Take contents out of pressure cooker and cool down to eating temperature. 10 minutes stiring to cool.7. Add seeds, powders herbs and chopped banana. Stir in well.8. Feed to dogs.9. Clean pressure cooker especially valves and inner lid and inner pot. Run a Steam 5 minutes program to ensure vents cleared. 5 minutes time.Golden Paste ingredients issue…coconut oil is avoided. However the other oils with a dash of black pepper and the curcumin in turmeric…is what creates the health benefits helpful to worm prevention…epilepsy/seizures and arthritis. So ? maybe a good idea to mix those separately before adding to the meal mix ? Black pepper is toxic to dogs in large doses…but the agent which gets the curcumin benefits to work when combined.?Re OILS. Understanding is…”processed” oils meaning “refined” are BAD. Oils from SEEDS are best. Flax/Linseed is very unstable once ground…so to use fresh. Not good if cooked so add at end to cooked food and stir in.Add the probiotic yeast mint flax/linseed chia seed turmeric and banana AFTER cooking when food warm not boiling hot.Flaxseeds/linseeds go rancid off fast at room temperature shelf life short days best ground and used at once to not be bitter and lose omega oils. Probably the same for the pumpkin and sunflower seeds. Nutribullet can grind fast.?Preparation: Soak overnight the seeds and lentils. Stir lentils rinse and drain before adding fresh filtered water. Lentils and seeds can be soaked for 2 hours minimum alternatively.Ratio for cooking in pressure cooker…6 parts water to 1 part veggies/lentils. For an average 5 liter capacity pressure cooker…this means…calculation needs !?Stir in well.To calculate…calories. Estimated 1300 calories per day per large size 50kg weight dog.?Details of grams weight of ingredients needed…matched to calories/protein/fat/vitamins/minerals per 100 grams. Matched to Aafco measures RDA. "Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?and i went on.."Nutrients Measures/Values: This is the nightmare issue to be able to be sure that any home made food has the right nutrients needed.I would like a simple way to list..What 100 grams of broccoli/1 cup contains in terms of minerals and?vitamins. EtcWhat % of RDA AAFCO standard nutrients needs does this menu provide ? What % of Omega 3 and Omega 6 does this provide ? (the ratio 10 to 1 of omega 6 to omega 3 that dogs need )Examples of items for which some relevant details found…1. Chia seeds soaked/ground. 1 tablespoon.?A tablespoon of chia seeds, which weighs about 14 grams, contains approximately 70 calories. Nearly 40 of those calories, or 57 percent, come from saturated fat. Another 9 calories, or nearly 14 percent of calories, are from protein 2mg. The final 20 calories, roughly 29 percent of the total, are from carbohydrates 4mg. Calcium 25mg. Iron 1mg. Sodium 1mg. Fibre 3gm.2. Flax/linseed soaked/ground. 1 tablespoon = 7grams. 1 Tablespoon Ground Flaxseed: Calories. 36. Protein. 2 grams. Fat. 3.3 grams. Omega 3 fats. 1800 mg. Fiber. 2.2 grams. 2 grams of polyunsaturated fatty acids. Ibre 2gm.Flax is one of the richest sources of plant-based omega-3 fatty acids, called alpha-linolenic acid (or ALA). Higher in omega 3 than omega 6 !Hemp seeds contain gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), the active omega-6 form. Sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds and raw nuts also contain omega-6What is needed…is a list of the protein fats in grams and minerals vitamins in mg quantities. Then compare to RDA AAFCO standards.The Ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 needs of DOGS Is the opposite very different to humans…humans need 2 to 1 ratio of Omega 3 to 6…dogs need ratio of 10 to 1 of Omega 6 to omega 3.Eg of Flaxseeds…per 100 grams. (1 tablespoon)Calories 534?Water 7 %Protein 18.3 gCarbs 28.9 gSugar 1.6 gFiber 27.3 gFat 42.2 gSaturated 3.66 gMonounsaturated 7.53 gPolyunsaturated 28.73 gOmega-3 22.81 gOmega-6 5.9 gps ref the YEAST..a vague term...nutritional yeast is I understand INERT yeast. Source of vitamin b12 needs. However the human yeasts such as brewers yeast or engevita nutritional yeasts are not best for dogs. A special dog needs inert yeast as supplied by vegepets is best for dog digestion and nutrient absorption needs. I have no idea what other "yeast" one could buy that meets a dog nutrition needs other than vegepets vegeyeast powder I add so I mention this having previously added engevita to my dogs feeds but then read it is probably not absorbed well.THE OMEGAS PROBLEM….Dogs need a ratio of 10 to 1 of omega 6 to omega 3. The OPPOSITE to humans proportions.So ?"Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dTabby Thunder?Noelle Obcarskas?, I didn't have personal advantage. I just asked her!Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?oh i have not finished hey ! now I never got a REPLY to the OMEGA RATIOS that i discovered or thought to be AN ISSUE....anyone seen the youtube video about 40 year old vegan dies of heart attack ? president in the USA of the vegan society ? well I have?! it explains....that OMEGA 6 DESTROY OMEGA 3's in humans so we have to INCREASE our OMEGA 3 the heart friendly omega ....as well as have vitb12 and reduce oils to have healthy hearts....but I WAS AND STILL AM CONFUSED...to read DOGS need the OPPOSITE RATIOS ? and I HAVE HIGH HEART RISK DOGS ! so...FFS UNDERSTAND I FOCUS ON WHAT IS IMPORTANT ! and STILL i have not got the answer.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?and do not start on about TAURINE which I learned dogs and humans makein their own bodies....but...i have seen TAURINE is added in my commercial vegan dog food ! and i see human athletes take extra taurine....so ? since this is a HEART issue I STUFFED?EXTRA TAURINE in my dog and cat foods..UNTIL I READ EXCESS is bad for KIDNEYS that cats in particular are health sick bigtime from....so those saying GIVE MORE excess can do not harm are WRONG ! IMHO....Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?yep....found it...this was my last comment in a DOG NUTRITION GROUP with that ANNE HERITAGE made WHEN THEY BANNED ME ...."Noelle Obcarskas am i missing something but...i see TAURINE provided by vegedog supplement powder NOT veggie ingredients. Is this?the case ? i guess so. Dogs are said to not need taurine unlike cats. What is puzzling me...is the "vague" mention of the quantity of vegedog to add. now seeing how as I could not calculate what nutrients were missing in any selection made here in that list...i could not therefore know if i needed to add 1 tablespoon or 2 tablespoons of vegedog and if i would be under or overdosing on certain vitamins and minerals. That is my problem actually with all these recepes. Unless clear how many nutrients are in 100 grams of any ingredient...one is lost to know how much vegedog supplement to add or not."Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?ah here is the NAME of some NUTRITIONIST without a RIP MEMORIAL also...."Anne Heritage I read all of Adelle Davis's books. She was a US nutritionist. Not a vegan , and fond of promoting dairy so I didn't take account of that, but her detailed work on the nutritional roots of disease and how to cure it with food was useful. Also her charts on what nutrients, in what amounts are in what plants. So then I read diet for a small planet by Francis Lappe Moore, also not a vegan text but she writes about how combining plant foods can up the protein content,. After that I read various texts on nutrition, later on including A gentle way with cancer and The Bristol diet, from the Bristol cancer help centre. Which in the eighties advocated a wholly vegan diet, and again there is a fair bit of breakdown about what vitamins and minerals do and what plant foods they're in, among other texts over the years. My mother has always read widely about healing disease and prompting health with food, so her input was useful. So essentially a wide range of sources. Davis's book let's get well has many sources she used in the bibliography."Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?FOUND IT TOO....she GREW HER OWN VEG !!! well ffs of COURSE that is healthier....see my comments about 8 oranges needed to provide what 40 years ago 1 orange provided in Vitamin C alone ! RICE since Anne days of feeding Bramble is discovered to be FULL?OF ARSENIC if from Bangledesh the biggest human poisoning via drinking water in history ! "Anne Heritage Annie mags; my Dogs were fed long grain organic brown rice..red split lentils organic..yeast extract.. Organic veg.. Ground flax seed..textured vegetable protein..mint and turmeric. Veg was usually carrot cabbage broccoli for exampleI grew my own veg for them. Average size collie portion dried weight. Mug of rice..half mug lentils..half mug tvp..mug veg. Half teaspoon flax seeds soaked in water overnight and mixed inQuarter teaspoon turmeric..half TSP mint.. If dried or few stalks fresh stripped from stem or choppedCook in lots of water for an hour. Drain cool serve.Anne Heritage Try feeding brown wholegrain organic rice, lentils, veg ,tvp or soya, yeast extract (half teaspoon) in water used to cook rice. Add chia seeds ,pre soaked, to cooked food. Vegan food is unlikely to cause gut issues, done right"Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?LET NO ONE SAY ANNE HERITAGE HAS NOT GOT A MENTION HEY ! BEFORE WE EVEN LISTEN TO THE TALKS ! BY THE TIME I HAVE FINISHED PASTING STUFF THE WORLD WILL KNOW SOME DETAILS FROM HER HEY ! CALL IT MY SERVICE TO ANIMALS ! AND SUE ME FOR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AS YOU WISH ....POST ON FACEBOOK ? TAKE THE CONSEQUENCES HEYEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?i realise....that my peasant relatives were even LESS attention to DETAILS than Anne Heritage as they just shoved pasta this veggies that in hunting dog bowls boiled up sometimes if not left overs and had no interest in PERCENTAGE PROTEIN FATS etc issues. HOWEVER ! they grew their own veggies ! those had more nutrients in than today !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?brill...found something TOTALLY confusing for me from Anne....GREAT DETAILS....of NUTRIENTS in different veggies....BUT HOW DO I USE THIS ? "Anne heritage vegan dog home made recipyAnne HeritageAdmin · February 6 at 7:01pmLooking at nutrition; To feed all nutrients Dogs need...Here is a recipe, the base of which is the same but veg can be changed daily and mixed to provide full range of vitamins needed daily, which are?Calcium/Choline/Chlorine/copper/Folic acid/Iodine/ Iron/Magnesium/Manganese/ Niacin/Pantothenic acid/Phosphorous/Potassium/Riboflavin/Selenium/Sodium/Thiamine/Vit b6/vit k/Zinc. All the B vits inc 12..So, This recipe is for medium sized Dog, up or downscale for bigger or smaller Dogs;one cup of Long grain, organic Brown Rice,?half cup red split lentils/Either half cup of TVP, or half cup of Tofu or Quinoa.?Half teaspoon of yeast extract.?Half teaspoon Turmeric,?half teaspoon dried mint.?Put all ingredients in a big pan, and add one mug of the following veg..put some veg from all the groups in food daily.?The following veg are examples of what nutrients are in what veg...For Thiamine you need some of following;Broccoli/Green Beans/Carrots/Beet greens/Green peas.?For Calcium you need Dandelion greens/Kale/Turnips/Swede/Butternut squash/Swiss chard/Collard greens/ Fennel/Turnip greens/Celeriac/Kelp/Cabbage/Brussell sprouts.?For Choline you need; Broccoli/Brussel sprouts/Green peas.For Copper you need; Dried beans [precooked] /Pumpkin/Squash/Sunflower seeds.?For Folic acid you need; Peas/Beans/ Asparagus.?For Iodine you need;Navy beans[cooked prior]/Sea veg/ Cranberries.?For Iron you need;Podded Peas/White button Mushrooms/Acorn Squash/Green beans/Blueberries/Blackberries.?For Magnesium you need ;cooked Pinto beans/Artichoke hearts/Butternut Squash/Black beans[cooked] Red Kidney beans [cooked]/Soya beans [cooked]/Lentils/Chick peas.?For Manganese you need;pumpkin seeds [ground]/Sunflower seeds [ground]/Chia/Sesame seeds [ground]/Black eyed Beans [cooked]/Tofu.?For Niacin you need ;Sweet potatoes/ Butternut Squash/ Peas/Winter Squash.?For Pantothenic acid you need ;Broccoli/Mushrooms/ Sunflower seeds [ground] Cauliflower.?For Phosphorous you need ;Carrots/Artichokes/Broccoli/ Brussel Sprouts/Peas.?For Potassium you need ;Beet greens/ Yams/ Lima Beans [cooked]/Fennel/Swiss Chard.?For Riboflavin you need ;Mushrooms/Sesame seeds [ground].For Selenium you need ;Pinto beans[cooked]//Lima beans [cooked]/Chia seeds [pre soaked ]/Broccoli/ Cabbage/White button mushrooms.?For Sodium you need ;Broccoli/Carrot/Sweet potatoes. For vit B6 Apples/Artichoke/French beans/Broccoli/Cauliflower.?For B12; yeast extract [already mentioned above]..For vitamin K..Brussel sprouts/Kale/Cabbage/Broccoli.For Zinc you need ;Sesame seeds [ground]/Squash/Chick peas/Pumpkin seeds [ground]/Soya beans [cooked]/Lima beans [cooked]Asparagus.Add Oil via Chia seeds, soaked for ten minutes before adding to cooked food./sesame/sunflower etc[ground ].If you put a mix of this veg and legumes in with basic recipe daily, ie some veg from each group this should cover nutrients necessary.?Use Organic veg where posssible, or you will be feeding toxic loads of herbicide and pesticide.?All ingredients go in big pan. Cover with plenty of water, bring to boil and simmer for one hour.Add oily seeds after food has been drained and cooled down. Excuse any typos."Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?well MAYBE that is the BEST details find of Anne to date ? it gives PORTIONS cup sizes details...it talks about ESSENTIAL MINERALS and VITAMINS....NO MENTION OF TAURINE please note however....so ? WHAT ABOUT TAURINE ? question GOT ME BANNED !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?I DARE ! suggest the above ANNE HERITAGE RECIPES be PUT ON THE AGENDA of this TALK ! i INSIST in fact..or I will GATE CRASH the discussion.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?and I WANT OMEGA 3 and OMEGA 6 RATIOS for HEART ISSUES raised too as an AGENDA item ! DCM is on the increase in dogs in the non vegan fed world....it is about GRAIN FREE TREND ? or what ?Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?TAKE CONTROL ! never mind the TAKE "BACK" CONTROL brexit slogan funded by Arron Banks who funded Trump campaign...I NEVER HAD CONTROL ! but I WILL TAKE IT ! and i say we ALL on the ground with vegan dogs will TAKE IT !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?I will pay...for the talks that will follow this initial freebie talk... IF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA are allowed by ME ! The philosophical issue being ...should the people be given what the NEED or what they WANT ? basic political communism versus capitalis…See MoreEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Now...that Anne Heritage must have read a lotta books to make that simpler list I posted in comment above....and that is the beauty of SIMPLICITY...KISS...KEEP IT SIMPLE AND STUPID for the grunts like me and others without TIME to learn about what a CARB looks like to know WHAT DO I DO ? that is the essential....INSTRUCTIONS and INFORMATION that help people to know WHAT TO DO !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?now lookie here.... i had all those details of recipes of Anne Heritage..and did i publish them on my dog nutrition links and information blog website ? no ! why not ? because I DO NOT UNDERSTAND them enough to be able to know ARE ALL THE NEEDED NUTRIENTS my large size dogs needs in them...one cabbage has different levels of minerals etc than another is common sense ! i could buy veggies that are HALF the nutrients my dogs need and it is all about QUALITY OF PRODUCE used for home made ! ANNE HERITAGE GREW HER OWN ! what we buy in shops is GARBAGE greatly...am I going to risk my dogs health on that ? and would i suggest by publishing those details that OTHERS do so ? well i say....if I WILL NOT RISK IT i do not want to encourage others to.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?I went a couple of years ago....to a PIK YOUR OWN STRAWBERRIES farm local to me. Whilst there....i saw some HUGE DANDELION leaves ....weeds my ducks loved that i would pick off road sides for them that they gobbled up immediately. So ? i take these SUPER SIZE DANDELION leaves from in the strawberries field to my ducks....and ? THEY REFUSED TO EAT THEM ! now POULTRY are the BEST species at knowning instinctively what is good for them....(unlike our dogs who would eat CHOCOLATE wolfing it down and it would KILL them) so ? if my DUCKS would not eat the PIK YOUR OWN STRAWBERRIES FIELD DANDELIONS...there was SOMETHNG WRONG WITH THEM ! so i mention this to people in passing....FERTILISERS ! are shoved constantly on this not rotated crops field to give the soil nutrients lost over the years of course ! those strawberries must be as SHIT as the UNNATURAL SUPERSIZE DANDELIONS !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Go look at a BROCCOLI sold in supermarkets...WHERE IS THE LIST OF MINERALS AND VITAMINS in them ? nowhere ! of course not ! we have NO IDEA how nutritious that mass produced veggies stuff is ! I went researching...the DECLINE and VARIATION of vitamins in veggies too ! oh ja....and ? without pasting the links to articles...on individual varieties of KALE etc it was mind blowing to see the variations !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Anne Heritage basing her calculations and what she fed her long lived vegan dogs...was GROWING HER OWN ORGANIC VEGGIES ! in the 1970's ! we are 30 years on from then and food nutrients have DECLINED and ARSENIC discovered in USA and Bangladesh rices ! (need rinsing 8 times and not buying those)Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?And on that last VERY RELEVANT comment i just made...that SHOWS imho TOTAL RESPECT and BELIEF in Anne Heritage achievements....I rest my case...but i think it shows...the nutrients that WERE in the veggies etc that Anne used and grew herself also greatly ARE NOT TODAY's REALITIES anymore !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?One of my neighbours....with a king cav dog...aged then 8 years old...FED NON VEGAN....had a 9kGBP HEART PACE MAKER operation done on her dog ! HEART WEAK...sign was dog not able to get up on the COUCH ! several vet tests later...huge operation cost not covered by her pet insurance of course ! so ? HEART ISSUES and BREED GENETIC health issues and NUTRITION ? certainly issues.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3di said to her mother at the time who was saying...that dog is her BABY....well i would not have paid that for my heart risk dog breed...payback issue ? 8 years of their 13 average lifespan ? I would have just lifted the dog on the couch and not done as?many WALKIES...but a vet told me dogs need exercise ..anyway....4 collapses in 1 year of one of my dogs hind legs....the one with relatives dying of strokes and heart attacks histories known to me....and ? no further few minutes collapses. A lab dog walker told me his dog had the same years ago and never again. Had her heart tested several times....no anomalies found...low even suggested as normal for hyper active sporty dog. BUT I HAVE BANNED BALL FETCH GAMES mostly now as the idiot dog is now 9 years old and would push herself in her FRENZY of ball fetching crazy to give herself a heart attack is what I think.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?After the op the small king cav dogs puts on 3kg excess weight ! then went on diet to lose weight. My large male put on 5kg got to 50kg so i reduced his food intake to get him back to 45kg normal for his size weight. He is a greed. On his vegan dog food. Unlike my bitch who does not put on weight like that and not a greed. He had no loss of backlegs minutes issue. Same diet same exercise. He has EPILEPSY high risk with 14 epileptic siblings including his epi father. NEUROLOGICAL issues idiopathic ones....meaning genetic. Now i did find LAMB is one of the RARE food TRIGGERS for epi and neurological fits. HE DOES NOT RISK THAT HE IS FED VEGAN ! He is the WORLD's BIGGEST BELGIAN SHEPHERD ! grew not like the ugly duckling that he was to a beautiful SWAN but a MONSTER SIZE on his vegan diet.? or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Ah the there is another neighbour...pug breed dog....has operation to remove Kidney stones (non vegan fed) and nearly DIES as ANTIBIOTICS RESISTANT to all but 2 found just in time by vets ! where does ANTIBIOTICS RESISTANCE come from ? eating FLESH as?70 percent of all the world's antibiotics are stuffed in to FARM ANIMALS just to keep them alive long enough before killed ! chicken get the most ! how did he get KIDNEY STONES ? apparently HIGH FAT NON VEGAN DOG TREATS ! and what does that neighbour (who is vegan) say to feeding the dog VEGAN ? he does not LIKE it as much as fatty animal based dog foods ! ffs ! killing me softly with kindness ? as the song goes comes to mind. I said...I do not give a TOSS what my dog LIKES if chocolate will kill her SHE IS BANNED it ! ah there was another issue...small dog small jaws so difficult to CRUNCH the kibble pieces ! what about the WOLF TEARING CANINES stuff hey lol ? mamby pamby comes to mind. This meme i shared got THOUSANDS recently amused.... or delete this HYPERLINK "" Noelle Obcarskas?is with?Mike Creighton?and?17 others.February 15 at 3:16 PMSome HUMOUR as i think of starting a "comedy of errors" novel for our education needs...As Laurel and Hardy comedians would have said...LOOK AT WHAT A FINE ME...See MoreLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?right...still no replies to IS MY TOM TURKEY with a respiratory disease ? posted in the vegans with chickens and for the love of turkeys groups....i need to start GOOGLING again to find out...what are the SOUNDS natural to a tom turkey ? they are different to the sounds of the female turkey hens see. sigh. NO IDEA !? ONE IS INTERESTED in this issue of course to have mentioned it other than COMMERCIAL TURKEY BREEDERS CULL those with mycoplasma and try stop using those for artificial insemination of eggs that have that disease common to turkeys.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?I JUST GOT THE ANSWER ! so i SHARE ! "There chuff chuff noises are normal don’t worry???It’s all part of his display!???" from FOR THE LOVE OF TURKEYS group ! well a LOTTA "CHUFF CHUFFING" going on here about ruffled feathers of not MALES but females thinking THEY are not getting as much attention hey wink wink ! in the non human animal world...MALES are the DRESSY showey ones to attract the FEMALES who they rape in reality mostly ....yes i made a mistake getting a male turkey....this morning all the females had left the enclosure and were in the kitchen to avoid him mounting them.... I dunno all that racket they make in the sex act maybe natural shrieks of pleasure ? who knows.Edit or delete this HYPERLINK "" \t "_blank" Male Tom Turkey…Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?I shall end on this theme of RECOGNISING THOSE WHO PROVIDE INFORMATION to the mass public to encourage VEGAN DOG FEEDING....pls note i avoided the word LEADERS....i think that word is OVER RATED ! we are ALL LEADERS if we SET EXAMPLES ! and tell others?and the public of what we do and what information we use is shared ! it is about time people stopped IDOL WORSHIPING the so called LEADERS also...WHAT HAS TIM SHIEFF the COVER of VIVA MAGAZINE famous vegan winner of the NINJA athletics etc achieved ? he has SLATED AND DONE ANTI VEGAN YOUTUBE video ! is eating suffocated FISH and EGGS again ! after 2 years of drinking his own urine and believing in a flat earth mental problems imho ! Before that we had GARY YOUROFSKY who was a BRILLIANT speaker converted millions to veganism who blurts some seized on I HATE HUMANS comments to discredit his burnt out passions and some political nutters into disagreeing with his human politics views etc etc sigh. HE burns out....slated everywhere for the 10 percent of idiocies he spouted rather than the 90 percent VEGAN ISSUES AWARENESS he managed...so ? HITLER and MUSSOLINI were LEADERS ! hardly a TITLE anyone shares wants to be associated with hey ! the TITLE is meaningless in itself.....GARY FRANCIONE the USA LEGAL LAW PROFESSOR vegan LEADER is BANNED by the UK VEGAN SOCIETY for his anti WELFARE views in favour of ABOLITIONIST VEGANISM views ! right....so I would not worry about NOBEL PRIZE WINNER LEADER of BURMA either title who is into genocide of the Rohinga populations ! the title LEADER is a mixed bag in reality ! I suggest EVERYONE takes LEADERSHIP SERIOUSLY to improve the world...take my quote on my vegan website of the HOBBIT ! i wrote...EVEN THE SMALLEST PERSON IN THE WORLD CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE ! Galadrial said that to Frodo ! it is the HOBBITS not the royalty that win against evil in that LORD OF THE RINGS novel ! it is a symbiotic relationship.....mutual needs...we need EXPERTS and THEY NEED US ! alone we cannot win as our WAYS are different ! our messages are different ! the way we think is different ! what we understand is different ! only in tandem can complexities be reduced to understandable usable tools ! BRAMBLE had no interest in her NAME living forever ! yet us humans want that kindda thing lol ! or we are OFFENDED ! all this TOSH over who is the best LEADER is TOSH ! TAKE CONTROL ! LEAD !? or delete this HYPERLINK "" \t "_blank" Vangelis - Alpha WOLFLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Not that anyone has mentioned the speakers much on a subject that i think worth mentioning however ....can we imagine...the ridicule...the hostility...that these professionals belonging to organisations that live off the DEATHS of all these farmed animals out there if supplying the antibiotics and drugs and supervising the killings got.....when they kicked off with studies saying OBLIGATE CARNIVORES could thrive on VEGAN PET FOODS ? can we even start to imagine that ? i have seen on some youtube video talks of theirs comments like "quack" and "should have their qualifications taken off them" and those are just the VEGUSTO Swiss vegan food supplier videos lol ! here is a topic about the EGO of someone offended by not being RESPECTED....and ? WHAT RESPECT did these DARE DEVILS i suggest rather than using the word PIONEERS in their VETERINARY HOSTILE TO NO KILL TRADITIONAL PROFESSIONS think of them ? well ? all well and good the likes of us grunts in different worlds spouting FEED VEGAN we are not ridiculed for IGNORANCE ATTACKS in our fields hey ! but THOSE are ! were ! and still they stand firm hey ! well. Some took a stand in the heart of those best able to help change the world where the greatest hostility was and is still to be faced. I think LISTENING to them and having SOME RESPECT for them has been earned for those wanting to learn more about CRUELTY FREE POSSIBILITIES ....pet food....is the 5th largest population continent in the world based on animal protein. And...SAS motto...WHO DARES WINS does not often apply in practice in the human professional world when one goes against tradition. Do we imagine THEY unlike others did not do not get HATE MAIL ? ridicule for promoting such things ? where can they hide ? being so PUBLIC ! ? Vets....earn from the meat based pet foods they sell...THEY ARE NOT INDEPENDENT ! only WE the buyers can push for change knowing that !? or delete this HYPERLINK "" \t "_blank" Vangelis Conquest of…Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?May I share also...when i posted a German language version of this detailed list of Anne Heritage home made recipy....first the details i posted..." Ich mitteile...was Bramble Hund der 25 Jahre lang gelebt hat als Kentnisse von Anne Heritage ueber Naehrestoffe...weil dies ist bestimmt etwas zu anfangen zu verstehend was fuer Inhalt moeglich ist.Google Uebersetzung benutzt dafuer...also auch Englische Text dabei.Blick auf Ern?hrung; Um alle N?hrstoffe zu füttern Hunde brauchen ... Hier ist ein Rezept, dessen Basis ist das gleiche, aber Gemüse kann t?glich gewechselt und gemischt werden, um die gesamte Palette von Vitaminen t?glich ben?tigt, die sindCalcium / Cholin / Chlor / Kupfer / Fols?ure / Jod / Eisen / Magnesium / Mangan / Niacin / Pantothens?ure / Phosphor / Kalium / Riboflavin / Selen / Natrium / Thiamin / Vit b6 / vit k / Zink. Alle B vits inkl. 12 ..Also, Dieses Rezept ist für mittelgro?e Hunde, h?her oder niedriger für gr??ere oder kleinere Hunde;eine Tasse Langkorn, Bio-brauner Reis,halbe Tasse rote Split-Linsen /Entweder halbe Tasse TVP oder halbe Tasse Tofu oder Quinoa.Ein halber Teel?ffel Hefeextrakt.Halber Teel?ffel Kurkuma,halber Teel?ffel getrocknete Minze.Setzen Sie alle Zutaten in eine gro?e Pfanne, und fügen Sie einen Becher mit dem folgenden Gemüse .. Geben Sie etwas Gemüse aus allen Gruppen in Lebensmitteln t?glich.Die folgenden Gemüse sind Beispiele dafür, welche N?hrstoffe in welchem ??Gemüse sind ...Für Thiamin ben?tigen Sie einige der folgenden : Brokkoli / Grüne Bohnen / Karotten / Rote Beete / Grüne Erbsen.Für Calcium ben?tigen Sie Dandelion Greens / Kale / Turnips / Schweden / Butternut Squash / Mangold / Collard Greens / Fenchel / Kohlrabi / Celeriac / Kelp / Kohl / Brussell Sprossen.Für Cholin brauchst du; Broccoli / Rosenkohl / grüne Erbsen.Für Kupfer brauchst du; Getrocknete Bohnen [vorgekocht] / Kürbis / Kürbis / Sonnenblumenkerne.Für Fols?ure brauchst du; Erbsen / Bohnen / Spargel.Für Jod brauchen Sie , Marinebohnen [vorher gekocht] / Sea veg / Cranberries.Für Eisen brauchen Sie , Poded Peas / White Taste Pilze / Acorn Squash / grüne Bohnen / Blaubeeren / Brombeeren.Für Magnesium braucht man: gegarte Pinto-Bohnen / Artischockenherzen / Butternut-Kürbis / Schwarze Bohnen [gekocht] Rote Kidneybohnen [gekocht] / Sojabohnen [gekocht] / Linsen / Kichererbsen.Für Mangan braucht man : Kürbiskerne [gemahlen] / Sonnenblumenkerne [gemahlen] / Chia / Sesamsamen [gemahlen] / Schwarz?ugige Bohnen [gekocht] / Tofu.Für Niacin brauchen Sie ; Sü?kartoffeln / Butternut Squash / Erbsen / Winter Squash.Für Pantothens?ure ben?tigen Sie : Brokkoli / Pilze / Sonnenblumenkerne [Boden] Blumenkohl.Für Phosphor brauchen Sie : Karotten / Artischocken / Brokkoli / Rosenkohl / Erbsen.Für Kalium braucht man: Rübengrüns / Yams / Lima Bohnen [gekocht] / Fenchel / Mangold.Für Riboflavin braucht man: Pilze / Sesamsamen [Boden].Für Selen brauchen Sie : Pinto Bohnen [gekocht] // Limabohnen [gekocht] / Chia Samen [ vor eingeweicht ] / Brokkoli / Kohl / Wei?e Champignons.Für Natrium brauchen Sie : Brokkoli / Karotten / Sü?kartoffeln. Für vit B6 ?pfel / Artischocken / Grüne Bohnen / Brokkoli / Blumenkohl.Für B12; Hefeextrakt [bereits oben erw?hnt] ..Für Vitamin K .. Rosenkohl / Kale / Kohl / Broccoli.Für Zink brauchen Sie : Sesamsamen [Boden] / Squash / Kichererbsen / Kürbiskerne [gemahlen] / Sojabohnen [gekocht] / Limabohnen [gekocht] Spargel.?l hinzufügen über Chia-Samen, eingeweicht für zehn Minuten vor der Zugabe zu gekochtem Essen ./sesame/sunflower usw. [Boden].Wenn Sie eine Mischung aus Gemüse und Hülsenfrüchten t?glich mit Grundrezept einfüllen, also etwas Gemüse aus jeder Gruppe, sollte dies die notwendigen N?hrstoffe enthalten.Verwenden Sie , wo m?glich , Bio-Gemüse , oder Sie werden giftige Mengen von Herbiziden und Pestiziden füttern.Alle Zutaten gehen in gro?e Pfanne. Mit reichlich Wasser bedecken, zum Kochen bringen und eine Stunde k?cheln lassen.Fügen Sie ?lige Samen hinzu, nachdem das Essen abgelassen und abgekühlt wurde. Entschuldigen Sie alle Tippfehler."? or delete thisREZEPTE ? VEGAN für…REZEPTE ? VEGAN für HUND & KATZELike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?3d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?here was the reply to that above post "Ein Supplement wird auch das viele Gemüse nicht in ausreichender Form abdecken, vor allem nicht wenn es gekocht wurde, da geht viel verloren.Und Hefeextrakt ist auch keine B12 Quelle!Bitte bei selbst gekochtem wirklich entsprechende Supplemente verwenden, die sind nicht teuer, aber bewahren die Hunde vor einer Mangelern?hrung.Sonst sehen das einige wieder als Best?tigung dass vegan für den Hund ungesund ist." In short missing translation of some details....the conclusion stated is...<<SUPPLEMENTS NEEDED for home made recipies. Not expensive but essential for completeness of nutrients.>> MY FEELING EXACTLY SEE MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS ON REDUCTION OF NUTRIENTS IN MODERN VEGGIES.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedTop of FormWrite a reply... HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" Bottom of FormGypsie V Brinson?my 3 rescued staffies have been vegan now for 11 years, when I first adopted my eldest staffie I was convinced that feeding her "dog food" was the best thing for her, but over time she became very ill & very sick, so I looked into what could be causing?this & came to find out that it was her "food" I was already vegan myself & knew how healthy I felt so I decided to change her "diet" she soon became healthy again & stopped being sick, 11 years on & she hardly ever needs to see a vet, last time she had a check up they had to double check her records as they couldn't understand why she was/is so fit & healthy for her age?:)5Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?4d?·?EditedAntonia Jacobs?What do you feed them if you don't mind me asking?1Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?4dGypsie V Brinson?my 3 eat a lot of fresh veg & fruit (not all fruit & veg is safe so always double check), brown rice, lentils etc, when i'm working long hours they also eat V-Dog with plenty of fresh veg, but there are so many good alternatives out there these days that make feeding dogs cruelty free possible & very easy1Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedPablo Apio Castro Espina?Gypsie V Brinson?Great, thank you for sharing, I wanted to know did you always supplemet taurine and carnitine?Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dTop of FormWrite a reply... HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" Bottom of FormNoelle Obcarskas?2 vegan dogs here. one 9 years old the other 8 years old. Fed since 5 years plant based started on royal canin vegetarian prescription to cure stomac ulcers medication was not clearing High risk breed for stomac cancer epilepsy and heart issues and strokes...hyper energy needs dogs (my cat is also fed vegan) currently fed?Benevo?and V-Dog and sometimes home made Compassion Circle recepies the lentils one liked greatly.Edit or delete this3Like?·?Reply?·?4d?·?EditedAndy Schulgasser?I just euthanized my dog last month just 3 months before she turned 20 years old.?She was destroyed by neglectful vets office. She would have lived beyond 20 if not for being stuck there when I was taken to ER for broken arm.?She was vegan since I got her when she was 14 years old.?One of the many things this vets office did was yell at me on phone when I was in hospital telling me dogs must eat meat & they refused to give her the vegan organic human food that I arranged to have brought there. Instead they gave her their garbage meat dog food.?They also refused to walk her & so much more.?Wish I could afford attorney to sue.?I did report them to California Vet Medical Board.4Hide or report thisSad?·?Reply?·?3dLucy Davies?I'm so sorry for your loss. The treatment you and your dog received is unforgivable. I would name and shame them.?I'm unsure why you didn't make sure they would care for her properly and why they objected so strongly to feeding her food she was accustomed to.Not a vet I would go to and I hope they are held accountable for her loss?:(2Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dAndy Schulgasser?Lucy Davies she was brought there by friend who though they would care for her. Especially for the charge of $320/nite. Every day was battling with them on the phone begging them to give her the basic care. It was a nightmare.?I gave review on yelp of my exact same experience there. Someone responded by just calling me a bitch. I reported them to yelp & I believe they removed it.I decided few years ago that i can no longer handle dealing with vets offices that are decent, battling rentals with outrageous fees & horrible designs for animals so I’m done with adopting animals.?I will get my animal fix by working with others animals only. No more fighting with organizationsThank you so much for your thoughtsHide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3d?·?EditedKatrina Fox?Clare Mann?Rach V MoranDenise Tuck?Tara Maher?FYI.4Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dClare Mann?My dogs are vegan - I took a 12 year old once called Topaz who was so malnurished, she had fungal infections, no hair on her back (german shepherd/kelpie), and skeletal. I put her on a vegan diet and she lives a full life with a full coat of hair and vitality until 17! We can't abuse one animal to be kind to another5Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dAmy Johnson?Awesome!2Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dGypsie V Brinson?It was my rescue staffies birthday on Saturday so I made her a birthday cake, not bad for a non-bake, cruelty free cake?:DIngredients : 3 bananas, 1 tablespoon of ground flax seed, 1 cup of soya milk, 4 cups of oats & 1 cup of dog peanut butterMethod : mix all together & place in fridge for 2 hoursDecorate with carrots (optional)Hide or report this3Like?·?Reply?·?3dNoelle Obcarskas?nice cake. excuse me for making a comment but the issue is TREATS. I avoid them. Why ? i worry that if my dogs eat treats they will not eat their proper food as much. Since that is where the balanced nutrients are....i fear they might miss nutrients they need or get excess of some that are bad for them if i give them treats. Now this will go down like a lead balloon to the dog treat producers of course.....some non vegan ones have started vegan treats in the petsathome shops i noticed...but other than rice bones for occupying the dogs while i am watching tv or online and good for their teeth...i avoid all treats. Mean ? well of course veggiepets do some lovely looking carrot cakes.i still have the packets i like carrot cake so might make them for myself lol1Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?3dGypsie V Brinson?my girls birthday only comes round once a year & when it does I like to make a fuss of her, so each year she gets to open a big box of new toys & I make her something special to eat, as you can see the ingredients in this "cake" are very healthy so I know my dog(s) are still eating good food, plus once a year don't hurt nobody if I was feeding them this everyday then yes I would agree that it wasn't healthy but once a year is fine, there's a lot worse on the market that people feed there dogs every day3Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedSnjezana Kross?our vegan dogs, since 4 yearsHide or report this1Like?·?Reply?·?3dChristine Burgemeester?Vegan cats, mixture of cats that stay and cats who moved out (fosters). We'll be there!Hide or report this2Like?·?Reply?·?3dDenise Bradford?I would like to suggest the term ‘vegipet’ when talking about companion pets that eat plant based. I am just concerned that we confuse people when we refer to pets as vegan because that reduces veganism to a diet rather than a way of getting justice for the animals and protecting the environment.Heard it first here!??2Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d HYPERLINK "" Hide 28 RepliesNoelle Obcarskas?now that is an interesting point. i agree vegan means the ethics philosophy of life that non human animals do not share with us they do choose to kill or not kill depending on hunger empathy all sorts but we cannot ascribe a philosophy to then as we do not think like them. to be precise vegan is a term applicable to humans and yes as u say plant based is more applicable if talking diets. however. this semantics issue...is not one i bother my head about much when discussing m VEGAN CAT with grunts. it does come up in the "discussion" or whiplashes when they say put a bowl of meat in front of a dog or cat and see which they prefer....well i reply well put a bowl of chocolate in front a a cat or dog and watch them DIE eating it....however the point they are really makng is the dog or cat is not making a VEGAN philosophy but simply eating what is presented to them. which is correct. Except in cases where lions care for a baby herbivore out of empathy not eating it. not going to try that too often on mice with cats. or dogs. coodgey coo empathy for babies does not always work on humans either. Well where am i going with this ramble ? just to say....i think between educated VEGANS the term PLANT BASED is more correct when talking dog and cats diets. However. I deal with grunts. I lean towards the shorter simpler word VEGAN as i write so much 1 less word is at least that to spare people the headache lol !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?oh ...dumbo here meaning me missed that you did not suggest the term PLANT BASED but VEGGIEPET. ah. well that is a new word for me. Would take time to be able to spell consistently right...i mean there is??and.?one with 2 g's and then the issue of with or without an i.Edit or delete Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?so now we have 3 TERMS to summarise. VEGAN, PLANT BASED or VEGIEPETS. what about...just adding the word FED to the end of the word VEGAN ?Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?3 sylllables is in VEGGYPETS (yes maybe a Y not ie) . dog order words need to be ideally 2 syllables....even VEGAN FED is 3 syllables. PLANT BASED is 2 syllables. HUMANS ARE NOT DOGS ! maybe we GRUNTS can deal with more than 2 syllables ?Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?actually yesterday off to share this post to "vegetarian" pages i was interested to find there are not many VEGETARIAN pages or groups out there ! but in the shops yesterday i was pissed off as i had nothing to eat as the coop shop in the uk selling some QUORN COTTAGE PIE was with some butter in it...only found out when i got to the till and asked again as did not get my reading glasses out.i say JUST LOOK FOR THE WORDS IN BOLD to save them reading a ream of ingredients. MILK is always by law in BOLD ....then she says BUTTER sigh. no dinner for me yesterday. ICELAND NO BULL ORIGINAL BURGERS TODAY got tho in Gwersyllt Wales ! that darned urban sprawl place is full of dead ends with no turning facilities in the cul de sac estate houses sigh. NO signs as typical to the ICELAND shop and i had forgotten my satnav. 1gb per burger is pricey. I really need to learn to cook. NOT that their RECIPY is going to be made public hey ! SECRETS issue !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?it is ONLY A LITTLE BIT is something said to me when getting pedantic about this "little bit" of butter. sigh. i wish the macartneys ,,,,are the mccartney or mc cartney or mac cartney....anyway...they have dairy in many of their foods. then there was the time i MADE MY DOGS SICK one xmas run out of veggiepets uk benevo i go buy some QUORN for them thinking oh well PROTEIN...they puked. Ah i recall a spat on the uk vegan dog nutrition groups that had not banned me there yet about that...i said QUORN = BAD = MUSHROOMS = FUNGHI= BAD....others disagreed. I know of a HUMAN who will not eat quorn as it is a FUNGUS.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?it might have been simply that my dog breed is HIGHLY SENSITIVE STOMACS...get ulcers and cancer there easily and dogs generally do not like VARIETY in diets my male dog breeder told me to stop me chopping and changing his food. Or was it that QUORN is FUNGUS so mushroom family so BAD FOR DOGS ? This was one of my dogs poohing with her back to a deer.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?I DO NOT FEED QUORN TO MY DOGS anymore. That day...another discovery actually....that xmas last minute shop ...i went to the FROZEN VEGGIES looking for PARSNIPS as i love roast parsnips....and on a packet of some rice or stuff i see VEGETARIAN ! wtf !?is there DAIRY in frozen veggies ? i start to ask in the CO OP and they say WRITE TO THE MANAGEMENT so i did. the ENTIRE co op shop in Copthorne Shrewsbury had a discussion not about XMAS PRESSIES but DOGS EATING QUORN and VEGETARIAN NOT VEGAN FROZEN VEGGIES ! i assure you.....it was a SHOP STOPPER ! There i was...buying several packets of QUORN asking IS THIS OK FOR MY DOGS ? well the co op shops in the UK are not NUTRITIONISTS...and then i added...MY MOTHER IS LACTOSE INTOLLERANT so have these FROZEN VEGETARIAN MARKED VEGGIES got MILK in them ? Not taking out reading glasses to read for myself....I DEMAND that SERVICE from people in the shops....workers or customers....and it is EDUCATIONAL !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?EEEEK !!! quorn ! has EGGS in it ! Quorn is a meat substitute product originating in the UK and sold primarily in Europe, but also available in 19 countries.[1] Quorn is sold as both a cooking ingredient and as the meat substitute used in a range of prepackaged meals.All Quorn foods contain mycoprotein as an ingredient, which is derived from the Fusarium venenatum fungus and is grown by fermentation.[2] In most Quorn products, the fungus culture is dried and mixed with egg albumen, which acts as a binder, and then is adjusted in texture and pressed into various forms. A vegan formulation also exists that uses potato protein as a binder instead of egg albumen.Quorn was launched in 1985 by Marlow Foods, a joint venture between Rank Hovis McDougall (RHM) and Imperial Chemical Industries (ICI), and is now owned by Monde Nissin Corporation.[3]Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?eeek...In 2004, McDonald's introduced a Quorn-branded burger bearing the seal of approval of the Vegetarian Society.[21][22] As of 2009, the Quorn burgers were no longer available at any McDonald's restaurant in the UK. In 2011 Quorn Foods launched a vegan burger into the US market, using potato protein as a binder instead of egg albumen, to confer vegan status.[23] According to Quorn's website, by 2013 a number of Quorn items were available in US markets, most of which are vegetarian but not vegan, as they contain milk or cheese and egg white or albumen. In addition, some contain wheat, gluten and/or soy.As of 2014, it was reported that most consumers of Quorn are meat eaters rather than vegetarians.[24] The market for Quorn products is increasing worldwide and the company expects further growthEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?eeeek...Quorn's acceptance in the vegetarian market was hampered by the use of battery eggs in its production process, a practice opposed on ethical grounds by many in the vegetarian community. For this reason, the Vegetarian Society initially did not?…See MoreEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?eeeek...While adverse reactions were reported for one in 146,000 people who ate Quorn, this rose to one in 35 who ate shellfish and one in 350 who ate soya.. WHERE DO DOGS FIGURE IN THIS QUORN ISSUE ?Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?yeah well that was a question ANNE HERITAGE could not reply to i add...the BRAMBLE vegan fed dog owner...ok ok CARER if we are on the theme of PC words to use sigh.....i got flack for referring to my DOGS as BLACKIES even sometimes sigh...why would Anne stuck in the 1970's not know about QUORN ? Originally conceived in 1985 and owned by Marlow Foods is why. It came out in the 80's. I recall my old boy (meaning my late father) tried it out first. That is BUCKINGHAMSHIRE also another issue and she is SUMMERSET or is it SOMERSET as in Somerset Notes the publisher she fell out with ? oh well the 70's were when pet food makers dscovered cats were going blind and dying due to meat foods not having TAURINE in them so they added the SYNTHETIC so VEGAN taurine as standard now in ALL petfoods. PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS when grunting "CATS NEED TAURINE" still decades later hey ! well never mind ? nope it is HARD WORK educating people about history of just the 70's hey ! David Bowie was the 70's....now i must shut up.? or delete this HYPERLINK "" \t "_blank" David Bowie - The…Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?yes i read...no it was on tv Gordon Ramsey hotel shows ...he was whining about the taste of some food he was eating...found out the meat was FROZEN so he says....that DRIES out and then cooking MORE DRIES it. Right. So the TAURINE is already missing in?modern flesh meat as less than in adult wild animals grown naturally to adult size not 6 weeks as in the case of broiler chickens who reach adult size in their 19 adult size ones to 1m2 DEFRA uk standard cages.....then as unnaturally FROZEN then COOKED the whole stuff is destroyed or leaks out ! so they add SYNTHETIC vegan taurine to cat foods. ALL the supplements sold and used by RAW CAT FEEDERS are SYNTHETIC so vegan additionally. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME ! feeding dead bodies people have to ADD VEGAN ESSENTIALS TO HEY !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?QUORN ! is a FUNGUS ! so mushroom family so besides the EGG issues that are non vegan and anyway eggs not good for dogs....eggs by LAW cannot be labelled as HEALTHY because THEY ARE NOT ! they give breast and prostate cancers.......IS QUORN BAD FOR DOGS ? with or without the eggs ? I say BAD !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?When trying to AVOID hostility to the word VEGAN i find it useful to say LACTOSE INTOLLERANT lol ! kill my mother ? eek that gets people more POSITIVE lol ! never mind the KILL MY VEGAN FED DOGS on QUORN issue hey !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ffs....getting BANNED in most VEGANS UK groups I must have failed to notice..."The majority of the Quorn product range still contains a small amount of egg white or milk ingredients, so are not suitable for vegans.Recipes, Products and News from Quorn - A Healthy Protein"Edit or delete thisQUORN.CO.UKRecipes, Products and…Recipes, Products and News from Quorn - A Healthy ProteinLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?right...so having just shared this post in UK ACTIVISM somewhere suprisingly i have NOT yet been banned....i shall serach QUORN issue there lol? or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?eeek ! i also posted that quorn comment in UK VEGANS ! they had CLOSED a thread ASKING the question ! eeeek ! quorn is as bad as PET FOOD posts in many vegan groups it seems ! gets CLOSED THREADS !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ooh my quorn posts in UK groups getting reactions...VILE is one...and someone said Some is, and they are clearly marked with vegan on the front of the package. But yeah, most is just veggie....anyway. I SAID MAKES MY DOGS PUKE ! oh someone wrote it is?a ....ouff....what is the word ? "It's not fungus though, it's mould" ok ok...PEDANTIC scientific terms again....IT IS BAD ! QUORN = BAD for DOGS is what i firmly believe......my dogs PUKED on it. EXCUSE THE GRUNT TERMS lol "You omitted the first bit....'Quorn foods have a vegan range which is suitable for those following a vegan diet. Products in the range include Vegan Pieces, Vegan Fillets, Vegan Crunchy Nuggets, Vegan Hot & Spicy burgers, Vegan Chicken Free Deli Slices, Vegan Ham Free Deli Slices. You can find out more about the range here. We try to ensure Vegan products are clearly marked, to make them easy to find instore, and this seems to be working, as the range continues to grow.'Quorn have only recently added a vegan range...it is a culture normally grown on egg white..." I replied..."cheers that helps. i just pasted from google search yes. IT IS BAD FOR DOGS however is what i firmly believe my dogs PUKED on it and fungi mushroom family foods are toxic to dogs." ooh....seeing the "someone is typing" comments in VEGANS UK group this post of mine is getting immediate reactions ! i did post the DOG FOOD TALKS post there also lol !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?aha...got BUY IN....in vegans uk on the QUORN post someone wrote..."We dont give our dogs any human scraps...too much salt, but also onion, garlic and lots of other things are not good for them! Pasta or rice are good for emergencies" and i replied...exactly i came to this discovery of QUORN talking in comments on a VEGAN DOGS talk post....i feed my dogs Benevo uk made vegan dog food and my cat ami italian mostly. I am not into TREATS i was saying as that unbalances their nutrition balances.? or delete this HYPERLINK "" Andrew KnightFebruary 18 at 9:14 AMCalling all dog lovers! Do you wish you could feed your dog delicious, nutritious meals WITHOUT meat and other animal products? Are you wondering if your dog ca...See MoreLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?hilarious ! one quorn reaction comment in vegans uk is " I'd sooner eat dog shit1" lol ! my kindda lingo lol !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?now what is interesting to me...is that my a few days ago post of this VEGAN DOG TALK in the uk vegans group....got MINIMAL REACTIONS ! 6likes only since the post date of 18th feb....so ? A PROPHET IS WITHOUT HONOUR IN HIS OWN COUNTRY expression comes?to mind...i had written to ENTICE the NATIONALISM of brexit little Britiain..."uk vet Dr Knight Talking soon !"? post there about the stats of 27 percent of usa vegans feeding pets vegan got even LESS likes ! at least not BANNED or CLOSED i add ! 3 years ago...I was getting ANIMAL ABUSER comments in UK VEGAN groups for introductory post of my vegan dogs picture ! ffs....what a VILE mentality hey ! yesterday too ! on some DOGFOOD RECALL post i got DOGS NEED MEAT grunts and laughs about animals eaten ! i BLOCKED that one eventually....yep....one gives the info and BREXITS oneself hey and BLOCK the dickheads OIKS even i say ! let them DIGEST the info over time without winding me up hey ! oh my worst out of exhasperation reply sometimes is...GO EAT YOUR DOG or CAT then or OWN MOTHER even, see if I care ! said that to some fishermen objecting to my dogs swimming where they were fishing one day....it was a PUBLIC BEACH on some filthy river Dee in Chester river full of plastics sick toxins....they thought it was about me being VEGAN with the tshirt as to why i was disturbing them....it was a HOT DAY my dogs needed to swim. Told them to eat their own mothers in the end and see if i cared ! I was called the RUDEST person they had ever met. I replied...well you have led a SHELTERED LIFE then lol They called me FLOWER ! and effed and blinded at me simultaneously ! I have always thought....and said...the so called TOP CLASS use the same language as the LOWER CLASS and their lagerloutish behaviour so typical of Britain albeit the higher classes drink CHARDONAY or Castello del Diablo rather than Galahad's Lager based on survey of mine of litter in the Duke of Westminster's Woodland Drive woods in Chester are also equally VILE. and ps GALAHAD whilst named after the most PURE of King Arthur's knights is made in EUROPE not BRITAIN and only EXPORTED to BRITAIN as no other country lowers themselves to drink that...and it is the vilest lager experts in lager say to drink. CATS' PISS is the expression.Edit or delete thisUK VegansUK VegansLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?Now that brings me to my point that it is EASIER for ME to argue why i feed my dogs vegan....my bitch got STOMAC ULCERS so had to go vegan.....only then did i start to research about ME going vegan. She went vegan for HEALTH REASONS not my ideology ....which is an often made criticism of vegan dog or cat feeders. I am fortunate i say about that....if like others they feed vegan for ideology save animals reasons not just HEALTH they have a harder time of it for defending themselves. I add the CAT fed vegan was just me deciding of course since there are vegan cat foods available WHY NOT ? reason. I always SAVE that PUNCH LINE for the last defense i add in discussions...I allow the ANIMAL ABUSER rants a while and the FORCING IDEOLOGY on my PETS rants before ending with IDIOTS ! MY DOG HAD TO GO VEGAN I WENT VEGAN BECAUSE OF MY DOG YOU PRATS ! ASSUMING ! MAKES AN ASS OUT OF YOU AND ME ! NEVER ASSUME ! ASS U ME ! I still get the.....can you not add SOME meat to her diet now ? type comments lol ! and then i reply DO NOT TELL ME TO KILL MY DOG YOU TOTAL DORK ! yes flowery language flows. This was at the TATTON PARK FLOWER SHOW. Deer raised to kill and eat of course. Dogs off leads. Well ja know....my dogs cannot be bothered chasing other people's property ! more interested in eating their pooh lol ! Vitamin B12 is it ?Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ps the most famous dog on youtube.....JESUS CHRIST ? or FENTON ? do not think he was vegan ! and LOOK WHAT A FINE MESS HE GOT HIS LAWYER OWNER INTO HEY ! the queen's deer chased ! instead of eating their poops !? million views of this one ! needs a FEED VEGAN COMMENT from MOI ? about to do one lol ! of this TALK !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?done ! i posted comment....Calling all dog lovers! Do you wish you could feed your dog delicious, nutritious meals WITHOUT meat and other animal products? Are you wondering if your dog can thrive on a well-balanced plant-based diet? The answer is YES!No need to CHASE DEER ! on sale in UK by??!?Join ME and 16 other experts as we show you how at the first Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit—streaming online at NO CHARGE March 12—19.Each day is packed with must-know information, including shocking facts about the animal agriculture and pet food industries that may be harming your dog, which foods really promote cancer and which foods prevent it, delicious plant-based meals you can prepare at home, how to select a commercial vegan dog food, how increase your dog’s health and longevity with compassion for all animals + much more!Sign up for the Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit and gain the knowledge and confidence to raise a thriving plant-powered dog!Register today before time runs out! link to? or delete Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?oh well. was better to post the talk link on the FENTON JESUS CHRIST dog youtube video ! i just remade my less interesting one on vegan dogs and deer public again.... or delete this HYPERLINK "" \t "_blank" bambi feline tatton park…Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?i do not have the video of my dogs holding off the Duke of Westminster name Grosvenor herd of cows in a field i wandered into by mistake as i was too busy trying to climb out over the barbed wire with the dogs holding off the charged me cows. Feet short sharp stomps is my bitch efficient technique to spook the huge animals while my male barks like most noisy males. Effective however. Then I lifted the dogs over when I was safe.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dTop of FormWrite a reply... HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" Bottom of FormDenise Bradford?So I have a two vegipet dogs and one vege I pet cat]2Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?2dNoelle Obcarskas?aha ! getting buy in on another page for this... CARE ABOUT ANIMALS PAGE ! ok my point is....if a SHARE to specific related groups like DOGS pages and groups does not work or is ignored....GET the link to this picture and talk on vegan dog food issues into a comment on some related topic ! QUORN was a useful piggy back example i used recently...IS QUORN GOOD or BAD for DOGS ? question and link to the discussion or monologue to be precise in comments i made here lol ! i am pondering...on whether to post this talk link into the DCM DOGS HEALTH group I belong to...not sure if the talk will deal with the topic of heart DCM disease in dogs...i have seen one post positive about vegan fed dogs in there for a high risk breed the labradors...but should i risk getting BANNED in that group for posting this talk ? so...question for Dr?Andrew Knight?and?Armaiti May?.if you tell me that DCM heart issues wil be mentioned in the talks...i will POST this TALK link in the DCM DOGS group !? or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?aha...see a tomatoes in DOG NUTRITION community page article....so added the talk link there... or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?ok ok...relevant topic comment needed here....done... or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ah...must go post to the SWEDEN LABRADORS laboratory testing hoo haa posts too. Already rattled those saying WHAT ABOUT THE LAB MICE TOO ? not as FLUFFY cuddly as DOGS hey !? ANIMALS ! BE THEIR VOICE page name !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?PETS AT HOME uk stores pages also commented on. Now got loads of abuse in the past for posting my vegan dogs on adverts of non vegan petfoods there....THAT IS PART OF THE GAME hey ! part of the course if one DARES promote one's own VEGAN DOGS !? or delete this HYPERLINK "" Soldiering On AwardsLike PageFebruary 18 at 2:25 PM?·?Voting closes at midnight on Tuesday 26th February for our Animal Partnership Award, sponsored by?Pets at Home. Finalists?June Burgess?Assistance Dog Ziggy?BRAV...See MoreLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?ok....this was STAGE 1. Initial postings. Nearer the time of the talks ? REPOSTS needed. BUMP the existing posts and comments made by MORE comments tactics. Find out what is TRENDING in the news...find a relevant comment ref DOG FOOD to make...and comment appropriately. Food, dogs, pets, dog pooh, rescues, animals, wildlife, pollution, health, antibiotics, petfood recalls etc do NOT FORGET youtube dog health pets related video comments too ! WHO HAS POSTED THIS TALK IN the VEGAN DOGS NUTRITION GROUPS HEY ? i am BANNED in those myself so cannot lol ! WHERE ARE THEY ? the VEGAN FED DOGS ? in those groups ? promoting these talks ? I WANNA KNOW ! bunch of GROUPIES i say to that....STUFF groupies...I have some pages publically readable of DOG NUTRITION INFORMATION LINKS ! oh ja....here is one of them ! and WHERE IS ANNE HERITAGE LINK in there ? nowhere ! she has not DONE a page to provide a link to since 1972 ! or even then ! my BRAMBLE facebook simple page done was TAKEN DOWN ! intellectual effin property claimed ! for a PICTURE only that AMAZONE BOOKS provided ! they did not object ! ANNE DID ! wtf use was that to ANIMALS hey ?? IS MY PAGE !Edit or delete thisCats and Dogs Nutrition…Cats and Dogs Nutrition Information LinksLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?oh and this page is mine too... or delete thisDogs, Cats "pets" Nutrition…Dogs, Cats "pets" Nutrition Information Links to Authorititative ReferencesLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?and this is my page too... or delete thisLittle Tyke the Vegan Cat LionessLittle Tyke the Vegan Cat LionessLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?and this is my page too.. or delete thisNew Little Tyke Vegan CatsNew Little Tyke Vegan CatsLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals)?and?Mercy For Animals?and?Wirral Animal Sanctuary- The Hog Centre?and?Animal Aid?and Abolitionist??Ronnie Lee?Friends of the Earth?Earthling Ed?and?James Aspeyand VIVA ? cannot tag...UK AR society...Viva UK ? POST on their posts needed...PROMOTE VEGAN DOG FOOD TALKS COMING UP EVEN T ! the?Vegan Outreach?Vegan?The Vegan Society?of ourse Gary Francione has BANNED me not able to tag those INTELLECTUALS grunting on their own abolitionist vegan page monologues...mostly ranting against everyone else in the vegan world...Gary Yourofsky has BURNT OUT fed up with the what are they called ? sigh...big word...SJWs...social justice warriors....too busy arguing for which way human toilets should point to please religious groups of humans...Veganism Worldwide?Animal Liberation & Veganism?WWFEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ah just got accepted to a new group on DCM in dogs... several VEGAN articles in there...need to read...so...need a reply ...from?Andrew Knight?or?Armaiti May?before i post the TALKS links post in that group to know...will DCM be mentioned in the talks ? then i post this talks on vegan dogs post in there too....Edit or delete thisCanine Taurine Deficiency DCM -…Canine Taurine Deficiency DCM - Facts / Discussion / UpdatesLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?Another of MY pages...ok VEGAN CAT but still...out there publically visible... or delete thisVegan CatVegan CatLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?one of my youtube videos....we need a DOGS ONE !? or delete this HYPERLINK "" \t "_blank" Real Vegan Cats Thriving Rule O.K.Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas DOGS video of VEGAN ZOMBIE !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?another vegan dogs video...about dangers of meat based diets.... or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?another one on vegan dogs !? or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?dog food recalls in the news currently again...i have posted several times....my vegan fed dogs hyper picture of them gmo free and organic food vegan fed... or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?whoops hey...hundreds of comments made by me of these talks....this is bad news for dogs hey ! the tip of the iceberg of course...The Dogington PostFebruary 1 at 1:36 AM ·?**MASSIVE RECALL ALERT**25 Varieties of Hill's Science Diet and Prescription Diet canned dog food have been recalled due to elevated Vitamin D. When consumed at very high levels, Vitamin D can lead to serious health issues in dogs including renal dysfunction.Please PAW it forward! so i commented 2 times..one pic of my dogs and the VEGAN DOG FOOD TALKS lol ! ... or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ok...so some forgotten by me person who kicked off some male turkey sounds CHUFF CHUFFING objections to Anne Heritage not being in on these talks....not having provided themselves any evidence of a single website done by them or her on this topic....but since i provided the details of the BRAMBLE DOG RECIPIES myself here in comments on this post hey....let us not WHINE or CHUFF CHUFF too much about that hey ! and i may now suffer BURNOUT of efforts and time spent just on this ONE POST alone let alone the countless hours spent online on youtube my done websites and other pages on facebook etc etc promoting VEGAN DOG AND CAT FOOD....I HOPE ! ANNE HERITAGE MANAGES TO DO 1 SINGLE PAGE ONE DAY and if she needs help or a FREE SPACE for that page on my SERVERS....I OFFER IT TO HER ! or anyone with a darned VEGAN DOG OR CAT ! a page on THIS WEBSITE OFFER ! i have pages on VEGAN CATS more than VEGAN DOGS there btw !? or delete thisVEGAN-Welcome to Vegan-Welcome to Vegan-Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?waiting ! for an INTELLECTURAL PROPERTY lawcase against me for PUTTING ANNE HERITAGE NAME and a PICTURE OF BRAMBLE HER DOG FROM AMAZON BOOK SALES on my webpage here !? to me....DON'T MENTION Anne Heritage and one gets a CHUFF CHUFF objection puff ! and also if one MENTIONS Anne Heritage or Bramble one gets CHUFF CHUFFS hey ! LET NO ONE READING THE COMMENTS IN THIS POST EVER CLAIM AGAIN THAT ANNE HERITAGE NAME HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED ! IN ABUNDANCE ! as for whoever the other forgotten by me name of some dead nutritionist equal it was said to Anne in LEADERSHIP status was...EXCUSE ME I AM AN ACCOUNTANT not a WORDS skilled person ! I forget names ! i do not think my DOGS know what a NAME is either ! their names sound like ORDERS to them imho ! i do not give a TOSS what i call my dogs i call them SHIT FACTORIES even ! 4 legged shit factories ! are what DOGS are ! Some ELLIS woman name was it ? like Ruth Ellis ? who was she i dunno. Anyway. SHE DIDN't HAVE A WEB PAGE !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?oh deary me...about to be INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGED for putting THESE photos of VEGAN CATS up hey too ?? or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?i did not notice if these UK VEGAN DOG OWNERS mentioned BRAMBLE in their recent daily mail article on vegan dogs and cats ! maybe THEY have never heard of her like many others still !?…See MoreEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?I had never...heard of Anne Heritage or Bramble or Dr Knight or ANY of these people talking when my dogs went vegan...the VET put them on prescription vegetarian dog food to cure ulcers ! I didn't SEARCH to find out if that was ok either...i got interested in MOI ! ME going vegan then. I got interested in some PCRM Dr Barnardo or name like that.who was at the time VILIFIED in the USA medical profession for suggesting vegan diets for humans....then now he is OK and listened to i read last. Anyway. He looked nice...and talked reasonably...so i listened to his youtube videos after the horror videos of VIVA on CRUEL BRITANNIA or word like that.? was an ECONOMIST article on how wild life was down 70 percent in the seas fishes article i was reading in bed that got me thinking FISH ! i hate fish eyes and suffocating fish so i thought....uh oh...the NUMBERS tell me this is CATASTROPHY time out there ...i didn't know the of the word VEGAN then either...i just thought ..ANIMAL FREE DIET for starters....THEN I JOINED VEGAN DOG NUTRITION GROUPS AND GOT BANNED ! stuff that i thought..As Oscar Wilde said..I WOULD NOT WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT DIDN'T WANT ME ! i will GO IT ALONE ! I tried joining some STREET VEGAN groups activists...THEY BANNED DOGS ! so STUFF THEM TOO I thought yeah! north Wales Vegans group refused to let me bring my dogs to some food street demo they were planning...I SAID I WILL COME WITH THEM ANYWAY but didn't. Chester street activists were fussing over the dogs wanting some of the food on their stalls too. Mamby pamby prats i thought. STUFF them. MY VEGAN DOGS WENT TO ALEXANDRA PALACE in LONDON VEGAN FESTIVAL ! oh ja ! we got inside and were promoting VEGAN DOGS there a while before asked to leave ! and in Manchester one ! lasted longer there...i went to pig saves and saw people with meat fed dogs there lol i resisted asking...waiting to get some pigs' ears are we ?Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?were were with woshername...giletti ? anyway some GO VEGAN WORLD demo in Mancs too VEGAN DOGS RULE OK !Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?sandra higgins.... ireland go vegan world woman...got banned in her pages too lol ....u haven't tried hard enough if never fired or banned at least once i say...Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?the power ...of vegan dog jaws...cracking coconut hereEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?the biggest belgian shepherd dog in the world on his vegan dog food 6cm above the max breed standard height falcon fergus dakota of?Lithuania?vegan friendly lithuania.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle ObcarskasEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?1dTop of FormWrite a reply... HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" Bottom of FormNoelle Obcarskas?ok shared to another page of mine? or delete thisChiens Végans VégétaliensChiens Végans VégétaliensLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?another page of mine shared this post... or delete thisBergers Belges Chiens Végans…Bergers Belges Chiens Végans végétaliensLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?another page of mine shared this post... or delete thisVegan Belgian Shepherd DogsVegan Belgian Shepherd DogsLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dNoelle Obcarskas?another page of mine shared this post. FCI CIE INTERNATIONAL GRAND CHAMPION BITCH BELGIAN SHEPHERD GROENENDAEL DOG VEGAN FED BLACK FAIRY OF THE VALLEY OF SPELLS from TOULOUSE FRANCE.? NOIRE DE LA VALLEE DES SORTILEGES FCI CIE title. How about THAT for an ad for vegan dog food hey ? i kept quiet until she got her TITLE ! titles actually she is multi champion.Edit or delete thisGroenendael Fée NoireGroenendael Fée NoireLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ok now in comments of...PULFORD and CHESTER (where i am moderator so no one can BAN me lol !) and For the Love of Turkeys and Vegans with Chickens pages....piggy backing on this post comes the VEGAN DOG TALKS post lol ! now one of the roofer workmen filming my turkeys here in this video was dealing with a chimney repair on a property of the Duke of Westminster Grosvenor name told me he was practically vegan as he had some long word disease he then explained was like Crohn's disease so no meat. Dogs get that too ? dunno. Anyway i added eating eggs and dairy would give prostate and breast cancers and fish were full of mercury plastics and toxins. (ppss oh just got a rant..."Noelle Obcarskas ?????? f#cking kill the dogs you pieces of shit! They are carnivores you dumb ass, brain washed f-^ktards" on some dog page post lol)Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1d?·?EditedEdit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1d?·?EditedNoelle Obcarskas?ooh i say...this article of DOGS NATURALLY lists the top 10 foods that heal dogs ! all VEGAN !?, Blueberries, Celery, Bell Peppers, Carrots, Broccoli, Bananas, Cantaloupe, Cabbage, Coconut oil.Edit or delete 10 Foods To Fight Disease In Dogs10 Foods To Fight Disease In Dogs1Like?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1dRaiden Rapo?CAPITALISATION IN WRITING MEANS YOURE YELLING. Please consider lowering your voice, it's a little difficult to read c:Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?19hNoelle Obcarskas?lol i agree I need to redo my blog website to just "bold" words or inverted commas which of course takes longer than capex....i BARK like a dog is my only excuse lol for "attention" ? i had to edit a whole load of comments done elsewhere to inverted commas once...took ages....excuse me if i do not do that for this post. I actually am not trying to BARK but emphasise words that inflections in verbal speech allows but not easy online.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?12hNoelle Obcarskas?The worst aspect of domestic dogs is their "barking" in fact. Unlike wolves who do not bark incessantly at all only short barks by mother wolves to cubs to warn of danger little barks...we created not only massive problems creating designer breed dogs but a barking loot and source of neighbours' annoyances forever more with this barking selection. My most used orders to my dogs are to stop barking sigh.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?12hTop of FormWrite a reply... HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" HYPERLINK "" Bottom of FormMarjolein Koot?Caro Lien1Hide or report thisLike?·?Reply?·?14h HYPERLINK "" Caro Lien replied?·?1 Reply???11 hrsNoelle Obcarskas?more scandals breaking new in the dog food world....raw toxic dog food maker refuses to recall...euthanasia drugs found in pet foods...recalls of excess vitamin D killing dogs in prescription also dog foods....commenting with link to these talks ! eg !? or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?9h HYPERLINK "" Noelle Obcarskas replied?·?6 Replies???9 hrsNoelle Obcarskas?must put links to recent recalls non recalls of raw pet foods found toxic and euthanasia of pet dogs and cats recent posts in another of my pages actually....put this post there... or delete thisWhy Raw Feeding of Cats and Dogs is Unnatural and UnhealthyWhy Raw Feeding of Cats and Dogs is Unnatural and UnhealthyLike?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?9hNoelle Obcarskas?ooh i say.....yet MORE toxins in petfood...Salmonella in meat petfood...turkeys...Minnessota USA this one....commented there they have EVOLUTION VEGAN PETFOOD in that part of the world ! maxlife the latest suitable for kitten cats puppies dogs !? or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?7hNoelle Obcarskas?right. duty done for posting this post on pet food recall etc posts ...since some have said THEY WILL JOIN THIS TALK a success ! curious cats out there ! the ones i had to usual GRUNTS about "need meat" stuff i added my CAT for good measure....after all...when faced with DOGS?cannot live without MEAT comments...might as well be hung for a sheep as much as a lamb as the expression goes....ADD THE CAT ! so i did. Just out of posting a set of pictures of my vegan cat to VEGANE KATZE group....I shall now sign off for digestion of words need. FRUHLING etwas raus bei BROCCOLI geliebt bei Katzen Mitternacht meine 1 Jahre Alte Katze Heute....muss ihre Webseite Blog Aktuel schaffen ...., Benevo und Compassion Circle Rezepte gefuttert.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?6hNoelle Obcarskas?cat's got your toungues ? vegan fed of course.Edit or delete thisLike?·?Reply?·?Bottom of Form? Top of Form HYPERLINK "" Bottom of Form? Noelle Obcarskas n.b. if anyone thinks i am failing to reply...it is simply that i cannot see if any further comments were made after a spat with a who has blocked me. Not a problem just saying if anyone thinks I am avoiding replying to this person that is not the case...i have been blocked. Which is ok too. The last comment i had made was that i was not a dog to take orders given to "drop it". We force our dogs to learn to obey such orders of course but I am not a dog.Like? ?·?Reply?·?2h? Noelle Obcarskas Well of course any "sponsored" ads of animal abuse dog food that appear on my timeline have to have a response too.....?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?2hNoelle Obcarskas yeah apart from link to this talk post...and a pic of my running vegan fed dogs...ah i see a new term..PLANT POWERED ..right...anyway...added this link to some freebie factsheet on "plant powered dog food" ouff that is some mouthful sentence hey ! DogPlant-Powered DogLike? ?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1h? Noelle Obcarskas hey up...this gets better ! Hi, Noelle!…See MoreLike? ?·?Reply?·?1h? Noelle Obcarskas Diana ? who is that ? Goddess of the Romans Hunt ? Artemis to the Greeks ? Princess Diana who did not hunt ? Grosvenor Duke of Westminster means Chief Huntsman and he died the day b4 the grouse shooting party started 9th August 2016 the 6th Duke age 64...goddess of the woods, children and childbirth, fertility, chastity, the moon, and wild animals.Like? ?·?Reply?·?1h? Noelle Obcarskas well that weekend was the party that was cancelled of course...August 12th marks the start of the grouse shooting season, although this year it falls on Monday 13th because it is illegal to shoot game birds on a Sunday in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. It is not illegal in Scotland, but the custom is observed. oooh that is interesting Sunday day of peace no grouse shooting day in England.Like? ?·?Reply?·?1h? Noelle Obcarskas found her....Diana Laverdure-Dunetz, Master’s in Animal Science (MS) is animal lover, ethical vegan, award-winning canine health writer, nutritionist and founder of Plant-Powered Dog.Like? ?·?Reply?·?1h? Noelle Obcarskas uh oh....TREATS ! eeek....i am anti treats...i see CAKES ! ? ?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1h? Noelle Obcarskas uh oh...yes they do TSHIRTS...but there was me saying I AM NOT A DOG and this lot want me to wear an I AM A PLANT POWER DOG tshirt ! - T-Shirts |…Women - T-Shirts | Plant-Powered DogLike? ?·?Reply?·?Remove Preview?·?1h? Noelle Obcarskas now i can imagine the reactions in some parts of Chester to this...you BITCH ! lol !1 ................
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