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CAPTIONING

PLANNING COMMISSION

FEBRUARY 10, 2014

***This is not an official, verbatim transcript of the ***following meeting. It should be used for informational ***purposes only. This document has not been edited; ***therefore, there may be additions, deletions, or words ***that did not translate.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: GOOD AFTERNOON, AND WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 10, 2014, REGULAR MEETING OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY CITY-COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING THIS MEETING.

YOUR COMMENTS AND PARTICIPATION ARE ENCOURAGED.

IF YOU WILL PLEASE SIGN THE REGISTER AT THE REAR OF THE ROOM AND TURN OFF ANY DEVICES THAT MAY BE A DISTRACTION.

AND WE ASK IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS, WE ASK THAT YOU COMPLETE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SIGN-IN SHEET.

WHEN ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION, PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.

THE MEETING WILL BE CONDUCTED AS FOLLOWS: AGENDA ITEM WILL BE INTRODUCED, AND STAFF WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION WITH A 15-MINUTE TIME LIMIT.

THE APPLICANT WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION WITH A 15-MINUTE TIME LIMIT.

OPPONENTS AND PROPONENTS WILL BE HEARD FOR 3 MINUTES EACH, AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE A 3-MINUTE REBUTTAL PERIOD.

PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS, PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE CLOSED, AND UPON A MOTION, SECOND, AND DISCUSSION, A VOTE WILL BE TAKEN.

WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, WILL I ASK COMMISSIONER YOUNG TO LEAD US IN THE PRAYER AND PLEDGE.

ALL RISE.

>>RAY YOUNG: MAY WE PRAY.

OUR FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY, FOR THE BLESSINGS OF LIFE AND HEALTH THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO EACH OF US.

WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE LIVE AND SERVE.

FATHER, WE PRAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S SAID AND DONE TODAY IN THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE ACCEPTABLE IN YOUR EYES.

FATHER, WE JUST THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING, AND MAY THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY AND THE CITIES THAT WE REPRESENT, FATHER, BE UNDERSTANDING OF THE MEASURES THAT'S TAKEN TODAY.

WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT'S GOOD, AND WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THIS MEETING, FOR IT'S IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME WE ASK IT.

AMEN.

PLEDGE.

[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

[ROLL CALL TAKEN.]

>> WE HAVE A QUORUM.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU.

THE NEXT ITEM UP FOR APPROVAL IS THE MINUTES OF THE FOLLOWING MEETINGS: THE REGULAR MEETING FROM DECEMBER 9, 2013 AND THE REGULAR MEETING FOR JANUARY 13 OF 2014.

IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR ANY CORRECTIONS?

>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PROPOSED.

>> SECOND.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PIKE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLD LANDS FOR APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

COMMISSIONER THROWER.

>>MITCH THROWER: YEAH, ON THE DECEMBER 9 MINUTES, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH UNDER AMENDMENT TO BYLAWS, IT STAYS THAT COMMISSIONER THROWER PROPOSED HAVING PUBLIC INPUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

WHAT I PROPOSED IS HAVING AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR AT THAT.

I WASN'T PROPOSING THAT WE MOVE THE PUBLIC INPUT; I WAS PROPOSING WE HAVE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT SO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LATE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STILL BE HEARD.

SO I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: OKAY.

I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE MOTION AND THE SECOND WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT MODIFICATION?

OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY AYE.

[CHORUS OF AYES]

THOSE OPPOSED?

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY WITH MEMBERS PRESENT.

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 2 ON THE AGENDA, PUBLIC INPUT FOR ITEMS NOT SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA.

WOULD ANYONE WHO IS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON ANY ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, WE ASK THAT YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM ONE AT A TIME, AND YOU WOULD HAVE THREE MINUTES.

I SEE NO ONE, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY: CONSISTENCY FINDING FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS.

MS. STENMARK.

WELCOME.

>>MARCIE STENMARK: THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MARCIE STENMARK, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE ITEM 3, WHICH IS A CONSISTENCY FINDING FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS.

IT IS AN OUT-OF-CYCLE ROUND.

THERE ARE TWO PROPOSED PUBLICLY INITIATED AMENDMENTS, AND THIS ITEM WAS HEARD IN DECEMBER AT THE BRIEFING TO YOU, SO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF IS BACK TODAY TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION TO YOU, AND AT THE END, I WILL PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION REGARDING OUR RECOMMENDED CONSISTENCY FINDING, AND THEN I'LL HAND THE DISCUSSION OVER TO YOU TO HEAR HOW YOU'D LIKE TO PROCEED.

THANK YOU.

>>ISABELLE ALBERT: THANK YOU, MARCIE.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

ISABELLE ALBERT, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

I AM HERE TO PRESENT THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR LDC 14-0062, AND THIS IS TO PREPARE COMPATIBILITY STANDARD FOR EMERGENCY NEW MEDICAL USE, AND THIS WOULD BE THE FREESTANDING EMERGENCY ROOM.

FREESTANDING EMERGENCY ROOMS ARE STAND-ALONE HOSPITAL SPECIALIZING IN EMERGENCY SERVICES, WHICH ARE USUALLY 24/7.

THEY ARE LICENSED UNDER THE HOSPITAL LICENSE, AND THEY ARE EQUIVALENT TO A HOSPITAL EMERGENCY ROOM, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

WHAT THEY DO IS STABILIZE THE PATIENTS, AND ONCE THEY ARE STABILIZED, THEY TRANSFER TO THE HOSPITAL FOR LONGER STAYS.

WHAT THEY BRING TO THE COMMUNITY IS THEY ALLOW THE HOSPITAL TO EXPAND THEIR SERVICES OUT IN THE FURTHER-AWAY AREAS.

HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, THE LENGTH OF STAY, AS I STATED EARLIER, IS TYPICALLY LESS THAN 24 HOURS.

THE LAND USE IMPACTS OF THESE ARE THEY ARE A 24-HOUR OPERATION.

THEY ALSO BRING EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO THE SITE, AND SOME OF THEM WOULD HAVE THE HELIPADS.

WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE STAFF, AND WE WANTED TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY ARE.

WHAT THEY INFORMED IS WHAT THEY DO TYPICALLY WHEN THEY GO TO AN ACCIDENT SITE, THEY WILL USE THEIR LIGHTS, BUT THEY USE THEIR SIRENS ONLY WHEN IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND PER DRIVER'S INSTRUCTION TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE SAFE PASSAGE THROUGH TRAFFIC.

ONCE THEY'RE AT THE SITE GOING TO THE HOSPITAL, IT WAS ONLY ESTIMATED APPROXIMATELY 30% OF THEM WOULD USE THEIR LIGHTS AND SIRENS, AND THESE ARE DURING THE HIGHER EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.

HOWEVER, IF THEY'RE LIKE THE LESSER EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, THEY WOULD BRING THE PATIENTS TO THE FREESTANDING EMERGENCY ROOMS, WHICH WOULD BE, IN THOSE CASES, NOT CREATE THE SIRENS AND LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING.

AND HOWEVER, IF THEY ARE MORE INTENSIVE, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD BRING THEM STRAIGHT TO THE HOSPITAL INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE FREESTANDING EMERGENCY ROOM.

BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PATIENT.

CURRENTLY, OTHER JURISDICTIONS JUST LIKE OURS, THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN THEIR CODES, SO THE WAY THEY ARE INTRODUCED IN THEIR AREAS IS BY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

YOU'LL SEE ALL THESE PICTURES THAT I HAVE IN HERE ARE ALL EXISTING OR IN PLANNING PROCESS OF THESE FREESTANDING EMERGENCY ROOMS.

THEY'RE UNDER -- THEY'RE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO SEATED WITH THE HOSPITAL.

AS I SAID, BEGINNING IS TO ADDRESS THE COMPATIBILITY, WE WANTED TO INTRODUCE SOME DESIGN STANDARDS, AND THESE ARE TO BE COLLECTED AROUND THE COLLECTOR AND ARTERIAL ROAD, APPROVABLE IN THE ZONING AND OFFICE DISTRICT, AND HELIPADS WOULD ONLY BE PERMITTED WHERE HOSPITALS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED, THE MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

IF YOU WOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM AVAILABLE.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, MS. ALBERT.

WE COULD DO -- IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, WE'LL SUBDIVIDE IT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT FROM COMMISSIONERS?

NO.

THANK YOU, MS. ALBERT.

>>ISABELLE ALBERT: I WILL INTRODUCE YOU TO ROY MAZUR, WHO IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESENTER.

THANK YOU.

>>ROY MAZUR: GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.

ROY MAZUR FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

I AM HERE TO DISCUSS AGAIN THE TEXT AMENDMENT 14-0063, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO MINIMIZE TRAFFIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD DISRUPTION CAUSED BY PRIVATE AND CHARTER SCHOOLS.

THE KIND OF ISSUES THAT BRING US HERE TO DISCUSS THIS AMENDMENT IS REALLY TWOFOLD, AND CAUSE BEING THE PRIVATE CHARTER SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD'S BUSING SYSTEM.

AS A RESULT, VIRTUALLY ALL STUDENTS GOING TO CHARTER SCHOOLS AND MOST PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARRIVE THERE BY PASSENGER VEHICLE.

THEY ARE DROPPED OFF, PICKED UP BY THEIR PARENTS.

ANOTHER ISSUE WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE IS A PARKING REQUIREMENT, AND SPECIFICALLY SPECIAL EVENTS, SCHOOL PLAYS, DADS BREAKFAST, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WHEN THOSE THINGS OCCUR AT CHARTER SCHOOLS AND SOMETIMES AT PRIVATE SCHOOLS, THERE CAN BE PEOPLE REALLY PARKING ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO -- NOT ONLY IN THE SCHOOL BUT ALSO IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THAT SITUATION.

OUR PROPOSAL, WHICH HAS CHANGED SINCE OUR LAST DISCUSSION, IS TO INTRODUCE THE FORMULA THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN -- IT WAS SENT TO YOU -- THAT MAKING A REQUIREMENT THAT THE ENGINEER DOING THE SITE DESIGN FOR A CHARTER SCHOOL OR A PRIVATE SCHOOL WOULD HAVE TO CALCULATE THEIR CIRCULATION QUEUE BASED ON THE MAXIMUM STUDENT ENROLLMENT TIMES -- OR .196 TIMES THE AVERAGE VEHICLE LENGTH MULTIPLIED BY 1.25.

THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE OUR LAST DISCUSSION WHERE WE ADDED IN AN EXTRA 25%, WHERE THE FORMULA WOULD BE MULTIPLIED TIMES 1.25.

SO WE OMITTED THAT EXTRA PORTION OF THE QUEUE LANE, AND I WILL DISCUSS THE REASON WHY.

SECONDLY, WE ADDED THE EXTRACURRICULAR EVENT PARKING PLAN REQUIREMENT TO THIS PROPOSAL, AND THAT IS TO ADDRESS THINGS, AN EVENT THAT WOULD OCCUR DURING THE SCHOOL DAY AS TO HOW THE SCHOOL PLANS ON ACCOMMODATING THAT EXTRA PARKING DEMAND.

THE THREE -- REALLY, THE THREE REASONS BELOW IS WHY WE HAVE ADJUSTED OUR PROPOSAL, THAT OUR QUEUE FORMULA, AS APPLIED TO THE MAXIMUM STUDENT ENROLLMENT, IS VERY CONSERVATIVE, AND THAT WOULD BE COMPARED AGAINST WORK DONE PREDOMINANTLY BY SOUTH CAROLINA AND TEXAS D.O.T., A PAPER DONE BY TEXAS A&M, KIND OF PARAPHRASED, MOST OF THE RESEARCH AND WORK DONE IN THIS AREA.

THE BEST RESEARCH WE FOUND DONE IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND TEXAS, OUR FORMULA IS APPLIED TO THE MAXIMUM STUDENT ENROLLMENT IS MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE THAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS DONE OUT OF THOSE TWO PIECES OF RESEARCH.

ALSO, THAT EXTRA 25% REQUIREMENT WE REALLY KIND OF CAME UP WITH WITH VERY LITTLE DATA, AND WE WERE HOPING TO GET, THROUGH OUR LITERATURE SEARCH AND OTHER SOURCES, SOME BETTER DATA, AND THAT NEVER MATERIALIZED.

SO WE ARE TAKING OFF THAT EXTRA 25% REQUIREMENT.

AND THEN REALLY, EVENT PARKING, AS WE ARE COMING TO SEE, IS AN EQUAL PROBLEM TO THE QUEUE LANE.

IN SPEAKING WITH NOT ONLY COUNTY STAFF, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, SCHOOL BOARD STAFF, AND ACTUALLY, INDUSTRY MEETINGS WE HAVE HAD, IT HAS COME REALLY TO THE FOREFRONT THAT THAT EVENT PARKING IS AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE AS THAT QUEUE LANE.

SO TO REVIEW SOME DISCUSSION POINTS AND SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED IN MY LAST PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY, THERE WAS CONCERN THAT A CHARTER SCHOOL PROPOSED IN CITY OF TAMPA OR AN URBANIZED PART OF THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME ACCOMMODATING EXTRA QUEUE LENGTH.

AND THIS RECOMMENDATION WOULD ONLY BE FOR UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, AND SO A SCHOOL BEING PROPOSED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, PERHAPS DOWNTOWN, THIS EXTRA QUEUE LENGTH WOULD NOT APPLY TO THOSE SCHOOLS.

ALSO, THERE WAS QUESTION ABOUT EQUITY OF REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN EXISTING PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND PRIVATE AND CHARTER SCHOOLS, SO TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THAT, THAT THIS REQUIREMENT WOULD BE -- WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED OF A TYPICAL PUBLIC SCHOOL.

HOW THAT WORKS IS THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS WILL SEND TO US, MY GROUP IN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, THEIR SITE DESIGN, AND WE COMMENT ON IT.

WE SEND OUR COMMENTS BACK, AND VIA THE DETAILS OUTLINED IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL, THEY'RE NOT ABSOLUTELY OBLIGATED TO INCORPORATE OUR COMMENTS FOR THEIR ON-SITE SCHOOL.

NOW, ON THE OFFICE, ANY IMPROVEMENTS DONE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY HAVE TO CONFORM TO OUR REQUIREMENTS, ALL THE TRIP GENERATION THAT THEY USE TO SIZE, TURN LANES, DECEL LANES, THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS DONE IN COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY.

SO THIS FORMULA WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL, WHICH WOULD NOT BE APPLIED TO A TYPICAL PUBLIC SCHOOL.

SO WE WOULD ASK THEM TO FACTOR THAT CALCULATION, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE A REQUIREMENT.

SO INDEED, THIS WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD BE EXTRA UPON A CHARTER OR PRIVATE SCHOOL.

ANOTHER QUESTION WAS WOULD THIS REQUIREMENT BE, YOU KNOW, ONEROUS OR WOULD THIS BE -- COULD THIS BE, YOU KNOW, A DEMOTIVATOR FOR CREATING A SITE OR DEVELOPING A CHARTER SCHOOL SITE?

AND IT COULD BE LOOKED UPON THAT WAY, BUT I THINK ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS IT HAS THE SAME IMPACT AS PRESENCE OF WETLANDS OR PRESENCE OF FLOODPLAIN.

WHEN A SCHOOL DEVELOPER SO CONTEMPLATING A SITE, THEY HAVE TO CONTEMPLATE HOW MUCH WETLAND IS THERE, AM I IN A FLOODPLAIN, AND THEY WILL NOW HAVE TO ALSO CALCULATE OR FACTOR IN HOW MUCH QUEUE LENGTH OR WILL I HAVE ENOUGH QUEUE LENGTH FOR THIS SITE TO ACCOMMODATE?

SO WITH THAT, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, MR. MAZUR.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS?

COMMISSIONER HOLLANDS?

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: YEAH, JUST SO I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF UNDERSTANDING -- AND I THINK MOST OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID SEEMS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD CERTAINLY RAISED.

SO IF I AM DOING THE MATH HERE AND I AM SAYING I'VE GOT A CHARTER SCHOOL THAT'S GOT 200 STUDENTS IN IT, RUNNING THROUGH THAT FORMULA, I COME UP WITH 980 FEET OF QUEUE LENGTH.

WHEN I AM ACTUALLY SITING THAT, HOW AM I -- THERE'S A CERTAIN REQUIREMENT THAT I AM GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY ON MY SITE PLAN FOR TURN LANE AND SUCH THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

IS THE 980 FEET INCLUSIVE OF WHATEVER MIGHT HAPPEN TO BE THERE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF IT THAT WOULD BE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THEN WHATEVER ADDITIONAL I NEED?

SO LET'S SAY IT'S 200 FEET -- I AM MAKING UP A NUMBER -- IT'S 200 FEET OF TURN LANE I AM GOING TO WIND UP HAVING, SO NOW I AM GOING TO HAVE TO PUT 270 FEET ON MY SITE?

>>ROY MAZUR: IT'S IN ADDITION TO THE TURN LANE.

FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING COME THROUGH RECENTLY, WHAT MOST CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE DOING IS YOU WOULD HAVE, IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON, WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR DRIVE AISLE FOR PARKING, WHERE YOU WOULD BE TWO WAY, THEY MAKE THAT ONE WAY, AND SO YOUR 900 FEET COULD BE ACCOMMODATED BY HAVING TWO LENGTHS OF 450 FEET.

SO YOU DOUBLE UP OR COME UP WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: OKAY.

THIS MIGHT BE A DIFFICULT QUESTION FOR YOU TO ANSWER, BUT BASED ON THE SITE PLANS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, HOW MUCH DO THEY TYPICALLY HAVE WITHOUT HAVING THIS RESTRICTION ANYWAY?

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE SOME AMOUNT OF THAT QUEUE LANE THERE, BUILT INTO THE SITE PLAN, HOW PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF STUDENTS.

I GUESS WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR IS IF WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH OUR 980-FOOT NUMBER AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS IN PLACE AND THERE WAS A PLAN SITTING ON YOUR DESK RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME AMOUNT OF THAT QUEUE LANE IN IT, BALL PARK, NOT TRYING TO HOLD YOU TO A SPECIFIC NUMBER, BUT BALL PARK, WHAT WOULD YOU TYPICALLY SEE, A RANGE, MAYBE?

>>ROY MAZUR: WHAT FOLKS WOULD TYPICALLY DO IS THEY STAGGER THE BEGINNING, THE DROP-OFF AND THE PICKUP.

IF THEY HAD 900 STUDENTS, THEY MIGHT DO 500 AT 7:30 AND THEN ANOTHER 400 AT 8:00.

THEY WOULD STAGGER THEIR DROP-OFF AND PICKUP.

THEY WOULD TAKE THOSE FIRST 500 STUDENTS AND PUT THAT INTO THE FORMULA AS OPPOSED TO USING THE BUILD-OUT, ALL 900.

SO IF THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO 900 FEET OF QUEUE, THEY WOULD PUT THAT 500 NUMBER IN, THEY MIGHT PUT HALF OF THAT, SO THEY MIGHT HAVE ONLY 450 FEET OF QUEUE BECAUSE THEY DID THE CALCULATION BASED ON THE STAGGERED NUMBER OF STUDENTS AS OPPOSED TO THE BUILD-OUT.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A STANDARD ANSWER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE NUMBER OF ENROLLMENT, BUT IF WE HAD A SCHOOL THAT HAD 200 STUDENTS IN IT, WOULD THEY TYPICALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, 400 FEET OF QUEUE MAYBE?

I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO HOLD YOU TO A SPECIFIC NUMBER BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GOING TO VARY, OBVIOUSLY, FROM PLAN TO PLAN AND DIFFERENT CONDITIONS THAT ARE UNIQUE TO A PARTICULAR SITE AND SUCH.

>>ROY MAZUR: TYPICALLY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN.

TYPICALLY THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN US THE AMOUNT OF QUEUE THAT THIS FORMULA --

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVEN'T.

I'M ASKING HOW MUCH HAVE THEY TYPICALLY, SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF QUEUE THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE?

>>ROY MAZUR: I WILL GIVE YOU A VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: GOOD.

>>ROY MAZUR: A VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLE IS WATERS AND MONTAGUE, WHICH HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT THING FOR THE COUNTY TRAFFIC TO WORK WITH.

CURRENTLY THEY HAVE ABOUT 1500 FEET, JUST SHY OF 1500 FEET.

THEIR BUILD-OUT IS 820 STUDENTS.

THIS FORMULA THAT I PROPOSED WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DO ABOUT 4,000 FEET.

SO THEY ARE AT ABOUT 40%, A LITTLE LESS, 40% OF WHAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED.

NOW, TO ELABORATE ON THAT, FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES HERE, FROM THE RESEARCH THAT I HAVE SEEN, IF THE COUNTY WENT OUT TO DO A SCHOOL, ELEMENTARY/MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY WOULD LOOK FOR ABOUT TEN ACRES, A GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IS TEN ACRES OF BUILDABLE LAND.

THAT SCHOOL IS ON -- IT'S ON ABOUT 10 ACRES.

4.3 OF IT IS UPLAND BUILDABLE LAND.

ABOUT 6 ACRES IS WETLANDS.

SO IT'S SAFE TO SAY BY THIS REQUIREMENT, THAT SITE WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR THAT DEVELOPER TO WORK WITH.

SO THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED LAST TIME AROUND, WOULD THIS BE -- THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR CONSIDERATION FOR USING THIS -- FOR SITE SELECTION IN THIS CASE.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

MUCH LIKE THE PRESENCE OF WETLANDS WAS, NO DOUBT, WHEN THEY SELECTED THAT SITE.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: SURE, UNDOUBTEDLY.

ONE OTHER QUESTION, JUST BY ONE POINT THAT YOU RAISED, AND I AM JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME AMBIGUITY IN THE WAY THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS WRITTEN IN THAT YOU'D INDICATED THAT IF A SCHOOL HAD, FOR EXAMPLE, 950 STUDENTS -- I THINK THAT WAS THE NUMBER WE USED -- THAT WERE IN ITS MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT; HOWEVER, IT WAS STAGGERING THE DROP-OFF, SO IT WAS 500 AND 450, THEN THEY WOULD APPLY AS 500 FOR THE NUMBER OF THE QUEUE.

BUT WHAT I THOUGHT I SAW IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT WAS IT WAS SOLELY THE FORMULA WAS TO BE APPLIED TO THE MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT, WHICH WOULD BE 950.

IS THERE A GRAY AREA IN THE WAY THAT'S WRITTEN?

>>ROY MAZUR: NO.

CERTAINLY, THERE'S NO GRAY INTENDED?

WE WOULD TAKE 950 TIMES 1.96 TIMES --

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: IT WOULDN'T BE THE STAGGERED?

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IF THEY WERE STAGGERING, WE WOULD USE THE 500 AND RUN THAT THROUGH THE FORMULA AND GET OUR NUMBER FOR THE AMOUNT OF QUEUE LENGTH THAT WAS NEEDED.

>>ROY MAZUR: I USE THAT EXAMPLE AS TO HOW DESIGN IS DONE TODAY.

AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO USE THAT MAXIMUM NUMBER RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE CALCULATION.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THIS MIGHT NOT BE A QUESTION THAT YOU CAN ANSWER, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL -- AND AGAIN, TYPICALLY.

I KNOW IT'S GOING TO VARY FROM SCHOOL TO SCHOOL AND DISTRICT TO DISTRICT, THAT SORT OF THING.

WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF KIDS THAT ARE TYPICALLY BUSED IN VERSUS THE PERCENTAGE OF KIDS THAT ARE TYPICALLY DROPPED OFF?

DO WE --

>>ROY MAZUR: I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER.

I THINK IT'S A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE.

I WOULD ASK --

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: I WAS LOOKING IN THAT DIRECTION.

>> THAT'S REALLY TOUGH BECAUSE IT MATTERS.

IF IT'S AN URBAN SCHOOL, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE LIVES WITHIN A WALKABLE DISTANCE VERSUS A SCHOOL THAT'S IN THE SUBURBAN AREA THAT MAY HAVE A LARGER GEOGRAPHIC AREA THAT'S ENCOMPASSED WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES.

SO THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO SAY.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: AND TO PERHAPS CLARIFY A BIT, IF I DIDN'T MISUNDERSTAND, THIS TYPICAL TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY; CORRECT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: SO WE CAN IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATE THE CITIES?

>>CATHY VALDES: LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

WE BUS APPROXIMATELY HALF OF OUR ENROLLED STUDENTS.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: 50%?

THAT AT LEAST GIVES A NUMBER TO WORK WITH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS?

COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

>>RAY YOUNG: I DO.

ROY, YOU MADE SOME PROGRESS.

I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

LET ME FIRST MAKE CERTAIN EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT I AM A PRODUCT OF ONLY 12 YEARS IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

I WAS A GOOD STUDENT.

WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY, I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE WHERE IT SAYS UNINCORPORATED.

IT HASN'T MADE THAT DISTINCTION YET.

SO I PRESUME THE FINAL -- YOU ARE ASKING US TO VOTE ON THIS TODAY; IS THAT CORRECT?

EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS --

>> [SPEAKER OFF MIC]

>>RAY YOUNG: RIGHT.

I UNDERSTAND.

I AM JUST SAYING WE ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THIS, UNDERLINE AND ALL, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH.

>> SURE.

>>RAY YOUNG: MY CHALLENGE IS WHEN WE LOOK AT UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH -- AND MY COMMISSIONER FRIEND, MS. VALDES, WILL BE KIND TO ME -- I LIVE IN EAST HILLSBOROUGH, AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN THAT AREA.

WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THOSE FIRST SIX YEARS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I LOOKED UP ONE OF THE SCHOOLS, AND IT HAD AN ENROLLMENT OF SOMEWHERE AROUND 650.

I THINK IT WAS NORTH OF THAT, BUT BETWEEN 650 AND 700.

WHEN I DID THE MATH ADDING THE 1.25, IT WAS RIGHT AT 4,000 FEET THAT YOU NEED FOR QUEUING.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE.

EVEN IN THE COUNTY.

WHEN YOU TAKE THE 1.25 FACTOR AWAY -- AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THAT -- WE'RE STILL APPROACHING 3200 LINEAR FEET.

AGAIN, I SUBMIT TO YOU IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

WHERE I'M HAVING THE CHALLENGE IS -- AND AGAIN, WHEN I DID THOSE FIRST SIX YEARS IN THIS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN TWO HANDFULS OF PARENTS THAT DROPPED OFF THEIR KIDS.

TODAY THEY ARE LINED UP FOR 20 AND 30 MINUTES DROPPING OFF THEIR KIDS.

AND I DON'T BLAME THEM.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A PERSONALITY THING.

MY CHALLENGE STILL IS HOW CAN I SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AS WELL INTENDED AS IT IS, THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM BUT YET WE'RE PROPOSING TO IMPOSE IT ON A CHARTER AND PRIVATE SCHOOL?

IT JUST DOESN'T BALANCE OUT TO ME.

IN ALL DUE RESPECT.

AGAIN, I AM A CHEER LEADER FOR OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND THAT.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

IF YOU HAD A 40-ACRE TRACT OF DIRT, THAT'S 1420 FEET SQUARE.

DO THE MATH.

IF YOU HAVE 620 STUDENTS IN THAT SCHOOL, HAVE TO LOOP THAT ONE TIME, THAT'S ABOUT A MILE.

WE DON'T GO OUT AND -- YOU'RE TRYING TO IMPOSE IN UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH A PRIVATE SCHOOL OR CHARTER SCHOOL TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT A 40-ACRE TRACT OF DIRT THAT MAY HAVE 50% WETLANDS, BUT AT LEAST THEY CAN RUN AROUND THE PERIMETER, TO SET UP AND STAGE FOR A ABOUT 650, 700 STUDENTS COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT.

I LOVE YOU GUYS, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT IT STILL.

YOU'VE MADE PROGRESS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, WE ARE STILL A WAYS AWAY.

SO I COULD SAY MORE, BUT THAT'S ENOUGH.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH COMMENTS FOR MR. MAZUR?

MS. VALDES.

>>CATHY VALDES: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING, IF I MAY, AND THAT IS THAT IN A REGULAR PUBLIC SCHOOL, WE DO ATTEMPT, IN OUR NEW CONSTRUCTION, TO FOLLOW THE SOUTH CAROLINA REPORT AND TEXAS STANDARDS.

IT'S ACTUALLY MULTIPLE STATES.

IT'S ALL KIND OF GELLED IN ONE REPORT.

AND WE DO.

I THINK THE POINT BEING MADE WAS WE ARE REQUIRED BY OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO HAVE DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY AS THOSE PLANS ARE BEING APPROVED, ET CETERA.

THEY DON'T BIND THAT ON US, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY A GOAL THAT WE HAVE, AND WE ACHIEVE MOST OFTEN THAT RESULT.

ON SCHOOLS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE PAST, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED, BUT IN OUR CURRENT NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE DO VERY MUCH TRY TO ATTAIN THOSE VERY SAME OR SIMILAR GUIDELINES.

AND IN THE DISCUSSIONS -- THERE'S A LOT MORE IN THAT REPORT TOO THAN JUST THE QUEUING.

YOU ACHIEVE A LOT BY SETBACKS.

AND WHERE YOU POSITION -- AND ALL THAT'S OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY AS WE'RE HAVING OUR SITE PLANS APPROVED IS WHERE IS THAT SCHOOL ON THE SITE, SO YOU HAVE APPROPRIATE SETBACK.

WHAT I'VE NOTICED ON CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT I'M SEEING BUILT IS -- AND I DON'T KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE.

I HAVEN'T INQUIRED ABOUT THAT.

BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SOME OF THEM ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD, SOMEWHERE THAT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE BUILDING SOME OF THOSE THAT CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTING SOME OR MIGHT BE HAVING AN IMPACT ON THE PROBLEM.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT THE CURRENT PUBLIC SCHOOL REQUIREMENTS ARE AND WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING AND TRYING TO ACHIEVE OURSELVES.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, MS. VALDES.

COMMISSIONER GREEN.

>>THEODORE TRENT GREEN: MR. CHAIRMAN.

DOES THIS FORMULA APPLY TO A RETROFIT AS WELL?

THE SCHOOL PERHAPS EXPANDED AND WOULD COME BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR EXPANSION, FOR EXAMPLE?

>> OR AN ADAPTIVE REUSE.

LET'S SAY THERE'S AN EXISTING FACILITY OR BUILDING, RATHER, AND THE CHARTER SCHOOL SEEKS TO OCCUPY IT.

>> SURE.

I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BECAUSE IT'S IN -- IT WOULD BE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

I WOULD SAY IT WOULD.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, MR. GREEN.

I'LL ASK A QUESTION OF YOU, MR. MAZUR, OR A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I THINK I MAY KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THEM.

JUST TO CLARIFY.

IS THERE ANY -- I WILL MAKE A STATEMENT FIRST, THOUGH.

I THINK THAT YOU CAN USE THE PARKING LANES AS -- THE SPACE BETWEEN PARKING SPACES, BASICALLY, AS QUEUE LENGTH, AND I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SCHOOLS THAT DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING, WHICH IS REGULATED BY YOUR EVENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SO THE SCHOOLS WOULD BENEFIT BY INCREASING THEIR PARKING BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO GET INCREASED QUEUE LENGTH.

BUT IN KEEPING WITH THAT, IF THEY ARE HAVING AN EVENT PARKING REQUIREMENT, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR SPILLOVER IN A PLAY AREA OR BALL FIELD.

IS THERE ALLOWANCE -- IS THERE ANY ALLOWANCE IN THE REGULATION TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THIS QUEUING ON NONPAVED SURFACE?

>> THERE WOULD BE, AND YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE ACCURATE WITH THAT, THAT THE EVENT PARKING PLAN WOULD FACTOR A BALL FIELD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S THE INTENT.

WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE INDUSTRY.

THEY ARE ALL FOR THAT.

AND SURE, ANY WAY THEY COULD DO THEIR ON-SITE QUEUING, WE ARE OPEN TO ALL THOSE IDEAS, ABSOLUTELY.

>> I THINK THAT MIGHT PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF -- MAYBE NOT ENOUGH, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF BENEFIT TO WHAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG WAS BRINGING UP AS FAR AS REQUIRING SOMEBODY TO PAVE AND WRAP AROUND THE SCHOOL ONCE OR TWICE AS OPPOSED TO BEING ABLE TO MAYBE STACK THEM ON SOME GREEN AREA THAT'S BEEN SLIGHTLY STABILIZED SO IT DOESN'T DISINTEGRATE.

MR. CHIARAMONTE.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION.

YOU IMPLY FOR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I GUESS NORMALLY THE COUNTY IS A TEN-ACRE SITE.

IS THAT CORRECT?

>>CATHY VALDES: THAT'S WHAT WE ATTEMPT TO.

OF COURSE, URBAN SCHOOLS --

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: RIGHT, BUT YOU ARE ALSO BUSING PEOPLE IN.

>>CATHY VALDES: EXACTLY.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS -- BECAUSE I WITNESSED -- I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THE PROBLEM IS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BACKING UP TRAFFIC ON HIGH-SPEED ROADS.

I SEE IT ON LINEBAUGH AVENUE WITH A NEW CHARTER SCHOOL THAT OPENED AND ALSO ON WATERS, WHICH CREATES A DANGEROUS SITUATION ON 45-MILE-AN-HOUR HIGHWAYS WHICH YOU HAVE CURBS THAT YOU CAN'T GET OFF THE ROAD TO STOP.

IT APPEARS THAT THE COUNTY, NORMALLY FOR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DOING A TEN-ACRE SIDE, IS AT A DISADVANTAGE AND THEIR STANDARDS ARE GIVING THEM MORE ROOM; WHEREAS, A CHARTER SCHOOL IS COMING IN, AND IT APPEARS THEY CAN TAKE SMALLER SITES THAT THE COUNTY ONE USE FOR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND PUTTING A CHARTER SCHOOL ON IT WITH A HIGH NUMBER OF STUDENTS.

IS THAT KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM ASKING YOU?

>> I DO.

I HAVE NO COMMENT TO THAT.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: YOU TOLD ME THAT SCHOOL WAS FOUR ACRES.

>> RIGHT.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: THE COUNTY WOULDN'T BUILD A SCHOOL WITH 900 STUDENTS ON FOUR ACRES, I WOULDN'T THINK, IN A SUBURBAN AREA.

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT FAIR, BUT THE COUNTIES ALREADY HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD OF PROPERTY.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, JUST THE WORDING WE ARE USING, I GET NERVOUS.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU, YOU ARE NOT APPROVING.

YOU ARE ASCERTAINING WHETHER IT IS CONSISTENT OR NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.

ANOTHER WAY OF DOING THIS COULD BE TO HAVE AN ATTACHED LETTER OR SOMETHING EXPRESSING THE CONCERNS THAT YOU EXPRESSED ABOUT THOSE ISSUES OF FAIRNESS AND ALL THAT AND DO IT THAT WAY.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THINGS IN OUR PLAN ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS I GUESS IS THE PROBLEM, AND I DON'T WANT US TO GET OUT ON AN EDGE HERE.

ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST AN ALTERNATIVE WAY OF EXPRESSING WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE TOO THAT YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, MR. CHIARAMONTE.

I SEE COMMISSIONER HOLLANDS.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: I WILL WITHHOLD MY THOUGHTS ON THE OVERALL THING UNTIL WE GET TO ACTUAL DISCUSSION, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RAY JUST SAID THAT KIND OF ADDED ANOTHER QUESTION IN MY MIND IS IF WE'VE GOT TRAFFIC THAT IS SPILLING OVER ONTO HIGHER-SPEED ROADS, WHICH IS CLEARLY AN ISSUE, WHAT IS OUR -- HOW DOES THIS CURRENTLY RELATE TO THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS THE REDUCED SPEED ZONES AROUND SCHOOLS DURING THOSE PICKUP AND DROP-OFF TIMES WHERE WE HAVE THE 15-MILE-AN-HOUR ZONES?

DO WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE, LET'S CALL IT SPILLOVER ONTO THOSE ROADS GOING BEYOND THOSE 15-MILE-AN-HOUR ZONES, OR IS IT STILL AT LEAST, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, ARE WE CONTAINED WITHIN THOSE ZONES?

>> ON OCCASION IT SPILLS BEYOND THOSE ZONES.

I BELIEVE THE SCHOOL THAT WE DISCUSSED, IT SPILLS WELL BEYOND THOSE ZONES.

IT DOES.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: THE ONE THAT WE DISCUSSED?

>> THE WATERS AND MONTAGUE, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND ALSO LINEBAUGH, THE SCHOOL'S POSITIONED VERY CLOSE TO AN INTERSECTION, SO TRAFFIC AT TIMES ACTUALLY BLOCKS THE INTERSECTION, AND WHEN SOMEBODY GETS CAUGHT KIND OF IN THE INTERSECTION, THEN THEY KIND OF SCRAMBLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO, AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION AT ALL.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: ALL RIGHT.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: COMMISSIONER PIKE.

>>GARY PIKE: CATHY, A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND STUDENTS IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ROUGHLY.

WHEN WE BUILD A SCHOOL, IT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND --

>>CATHY VALDES: IT DEPENDS UPON THE LEVEL.

ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS WE TRY TO BUILD FOR 950 STUDENTS.

MIDDLE SCHOOLS, 1300 TO 1500.

THEN HIGH SCHOOLS, ABOUT 22.

>>GARY PIKE: AND --

>>CATHY VALDES: I WANT TO CLARIFY.

THE TEXAS REPORT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING.

ACTUALLY, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER STANDARD THAN THAT.

WE TRY TO GET A 15-ACRE SITE BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, SOME SITE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH, AND WE LIKE TO HAVE AS MUCH BUILDABLE LAND AS POSSIBLE.

>>GARY PIKE: AVERAGE CHARTER SCHOOL POPULATION THAT WE ARE EDUCATING IS HOW MANY?

400?

>> PROBABLY TWICE THAT.

>>GARY PIKE: THANK YOU.

THE TEN ACRES DIDN'T MAKE SENSE ON ANY OF THOSE.

THAT'S WHY I WAS CYCLE.

>>CATHY VALDES: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND LET ME JUST SAY TOO THAT WE DO HAVE A VEHICLE FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY ONCE -- EVEN AFTER THE FACT.

SO EVEN IN EXISTING SCHOOLS, AS PROBLEMS ARISE, WE HAVE REGULAR ONGOING MEETINGS, COORDINATION MEETINGS, WITH THE COUNTY WHERE WE ADDRESS THOSE JOINTLY AS WE CAN LEGALLY AND AS OUR BUDGETS REQUIRE OR ALLOW TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AFTER THE FACT, EVEN AS THOSE OCCUR, FOR MANY YEARS.

>>GARY PIKE: I HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT, IF YOU DON'T --

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: YES, MR. PIKE.

>>GARY PIKE: IT WOULD BE NICE TO FIND A WAY -- WE KNOW WITH CHARTER SCHOOLS AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS, MORE PEOPLE COME IN.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH BUSING, PULLING FROM LARGER GEOGRAPHY.

IT WOULD BE ALMOST NICER IF WE FOUND A STANDARD THAT WOULD PROMOTE CHARTER SCHOOLS AND PRY VALUE SCHOOLS, MADE IT EASIER.

I AM NOT SAYING QUEUE PEOPLE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROADS, BUT TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE IT WHERE PEOPLE COULD HAVE -- BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, JUST DOING THE MATH, THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD REALLY QUEUE UP THIS MANY PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY BEING -- AT LEAST IT LOOKS LIKE, BASED ON YOUR NUMBERS, BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE BEING TAKEN THERE, BEING DRIVEN THERE.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PIKE.

COMMISSIONER AGLIANO.

>>STEPHANIE AGLIANO: ARE THERE ANY CODE PROVISIONS RIGHT NOW BASED ON NUMBER OF STUDENTS THEY HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY ACRES TO BUILD ON?

>> NO, MA'AM, THERE'S NOT A CORRELATION BETWEEN NUMBER OF STUDENTS AND ACREAGE.

>>STEPHANIE AGLIANO: IT JUST SEEMS LIKE I KNOW THE QUEUING IS LIKE THE FEVER.

WE GIVE THE ANTIBIOTIC.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING ON THE OTHER END TO HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOME THINGS IN PLACE TO SAY IF THIS IS HOW BIG YOU ARE GOING TO BE AND MODEL SOMETHING AFTER WHAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY -- BUT YOU KNOW, REALITY IS REALITY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH IF WHAT IT NEEDS TO, BUT AT SOME POINT, IF YOU WANT A CHARTER SCHOOL AND IF THERE'S THIS MANY CHILDREN THAT ARE GOING TO BE SERVED, YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS MANY ACRES.

I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A BALANCE.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: COMMISSIONER YOUNG?

>>RAY YOUNG: FINAL THOUGHT.

I AM APPROACHING THE END OF MY FOURTH -- I THINK I AM IN MY FOURTH YEAR, AND THIS IS, I THINK, ABOUT THE THIRD TIME I WISH I WASN'T A PLANNING COMMISSIONER.

BECAUSE -- AND DIRECTOR CHIARAMONTE, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS -- THERE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT MAY CERTAINLY WELL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN BUT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD.

AND AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH, YOU KNOW, TAKE ME UP ON ETHICS CHARGES, BUT I HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST IT.

IT MAY BE VERY WELL CONSISTENT WITH OUR PLAN.

IN ALL DUE RESPECT TO ALL MY FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES HERE, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY BOY.

FOR THAT REASON, I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST IT.

YOU KNOW, YOU VOTE YOUR HEART AND YOUR CONSCIENCE, BUT I'LL BE VOTING MINE.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: COMMISSIONER HOLLANDS?

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: JUST TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN -- BECAUSE I THINK COMMISSIONER YOUNG AND I ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO ON THE EXACT SAME PAGE.

THERE ARE INSTANCES IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME THAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG AND I HAVE BEEN HERE WHERE WE'VE HAD THINGS THAT MAY BE CONSISTENT WITH ONE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT HAVE, INDEED, BEEN INCONSISTENT WITH ANOTHER ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THE SITUATION THAT WE'VE HAD PUT BEFORE IS NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, FIND CONSISTENCY OR INCONSISTENCY, WE ARE GOING TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH ONE OR ANOTHER ELEMENT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE TOO IS THAT WE'VE GOT A SITUATION IN WHICH WE ARE DOING SOME THINGS THAT, AS COMMISSIONER YOUNG POINTED OUT, DON'T FEEL RIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE IMPOSING REGULATIONS ON ONE GROUP WHILE NOT NECESSARILY DOING IT ON ANOTHER.

WHILE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE SPECIFICALLY GOT THE LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SAYS THAT WE SHALL NOT DO SOMETHING, REQUIRE OF THE PUBLIC THAT WHICH WE DO NOT REQUIRE OF THE GOVERNMENT, I THINK THAT THOUGHT OR PHILOSOPHY IS REFLECTED IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT SPOTS IN POLICY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO THAT'S, AGAIN, THE REAL CONCERN THAT I'VE GOT THERE.

THEN WHEN WE START LOOKING AT EDUCATION SPECIFICALLY, WE CLEARLY SHOULDN'T BE DOING ANYTHING THAT IS CREATING A DISSUASION AMONGST PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR KIDS INTO CERTAIN DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCHOOLS OR SUCH.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT A POLICY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING SCHOOL CHOICE, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S IN THERE THAT WE ARE NOT DOING THINGS TO PREVENT IT FROM OCCURRING.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN OR I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN IS THAT I'M SEEING THINGS HERE THAT, AGAIN, ARE WELL INTENDED, AND THERE ARE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS FAR AS TRAFFIC IS CONCERNED.

CLEARLY, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED.

BUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS SOLUTION IS THE RIGHT ONE OR NOT, THAT'S WHERE I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT I'VE SEEN ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT.

AND I WILL STATE THIS FOR THE RECORD, THAT IF WE CAN GET A LOOK, POTENTIALLY, AT DIFFERENT COMPARATIVE SITE PLANS OF SCHOOLS, WHETHER THEY BE REAL SITES OR THEORETICAL SITES, BUT EXEMPLARY OF THE WAY IT ACTUALLY OCCURS, THEN THAT MIGHT GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT IN MAKING SURE THAT APPROVING THIS AS IT'S WRITTEN DOESN'T CAUSE COST OF PRIVATE SCHOOL EDUCATION, FOR EXAMPLE, TO GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY SO THAT IT IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO CERTAIN GROUPS, DEMOGRAPHICS IN THE COUNTY.

I'M ABSOLUTELY FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED TO THAT.

SO IF I CAN GET A COMFORT LEVEL WITH THAT, I AM NOT SAYING THAT I WOULD ABSOLUTELY NEVER SUPPORT THIS, BUT I NEED TO GET A FAR BETTER COMFORT LEVEL WITH IT THAN I'VE GOT RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES MIGHT HELP, AND IF IT'S NOT ABLE TO BE PROVIDED, MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T HELP.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: COMMISSIONER THROWER.

>>MITCH THROWER: ACTUALLY, LOOKING AT THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING ABOUT, SOME PRIVATE SCHOOLS HAVE LOWER, MIDDLE, AND A HIGH SCHOOL.

GETTING BACK TO SCATTERED START TIMES AND EVERYTHING, I DON'T THINK THIS TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE FACT THAT IF YOU HAD A PRIVATE SCHOOL THAT WENT FIRST THROUGH TWELVE AND THEY HAD SOME SCATTERED TIMES, AND ASSUMING THAT HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS MAY HAVE DIFFERENT ACTIVITY NIGHTS THAN A MIDDLE SCHOOL OR A LOWER SCHOOL, I DON'T THINK THAT TAKES INTO -- THIS TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THIS PLAN BECAUSE IF IT IS ONE SCHOOL, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT QUEUING LANE BASED ON THE TOTAL STUDENTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY COULD FEASIBLY START AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND HAVE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES AROUND THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, I THINK, TOO.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU.

YES, MS. STENMARK, LET'S GET TO WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION.

>>MARCIE STENMARK: OKAY.

WELL, AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

OUR FINDINGS -- OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BASED ON ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES, AND IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU FIND BOTH OF THE REGULATIONS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TODAY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT EACH ONE TO JUST SHARE WITH YOU HOW WE GOT TO THAT POINT, THEN I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT -- I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE QUEUING ONE FIRST, SINCE THAT'S BEEN -- HAD THE MOST DISCUSSION, AND GO THROUGH OUR FINDING.

SO FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT POLICY 17.1 STATES THAT RESIDENTIAL SUPPORT USES ARE ALLOWABLE IN ANY OF THE LAND USE CLASSIFICATIONS BUT OUGHT TO BE OF THE DESIGNED INTENSITY AND SCALE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.

A CHARTER SCHOOL FITS INTO THIS CLASSIFICATION OF RESIDENTIAL SUPPORT USES, SO IN OUR VIEW, IT APPEARED THAT THE COUNTY WAS TRYING TO MAKE CHARTER SCHOOLS WORK BETTER AND BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES.

SO IT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU FIND IT CONSISTENT.

IF YOU WISH TO FIND IT INCONSISTENT, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU PLEASE THINK OF WHAT POLICY WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REFERENCE IN OUR RESOLUTION BECAUSE I HAVE THE DRAFT RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKET, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD NEED TO HAVE IN ORDER TO PROCESS IT LIKE THAT.

LET'S TALK A MOMENT ABOUT FREESTANDING EMERGENCY ROOMS.

THERE WAS ACTUALLY A LOT MORE STAFF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT THAN THE OTHER AMENDMENT.

ON OUR VIEW, WE HAD SOME -- LOTS TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE FREESTANDING EMERGENCY ROOMS DON'T EXIST TODAY IN OUR COUNTY, AT LEAST, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A MODEL TO FOLLOW.

SO WE HAD A LOT OF -- WE READ A LOT, HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THE POLICIES THAT WE THROUGHOUT ABOUT A LOT WITH REGARD TO THE FREESTANDING ERs DEAL WITH COMPATIBILITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTION.

A LOT OF TIMES THE OFFICE CLASSIFICATIONS, FOR INSTANCE, ARE NEXT TO NEIGHBORHOODS, AND OFFICE IS A TRANSITIONAL USE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, AND WE HAD SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE USE, NOT KNOWING HOW IT MIGHT WORK.

THE OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS ARE A 14/7/365 DAYS A YEAR TYPE OPERATION.

WE WERE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT; WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OFFICE DISTRICT.

BUT WE DID LEARN A LOT ABOUT SIRENS.

AS ISABELLE POINTED OUT, THEY AREN'T ALWAYS USED.

THEY ARE TURNED OFF WHEN THE AMBULANCE ARRIVES.

AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THIS TIME TAKES MORE ACUTE PATIENTS TO HOSPITALS.

SO IT MAY NOT BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL, BUT WE DID WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WE HAD SOME CONCERN.

IT DIDN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL, HOWEVER, THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU FIND IT INCONSISTENT, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THE DIALOGUE THAT WAS HELD.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL END MY COMMENTS AND LISTEN ON HOW YOU WOULD WISH TO PROCEED.

THANK YOU.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, MS. STENMARK.

RATHER THAN DOING THESE TOGETHER, I THINK IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT FOR US TO ADDRESS THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION PERTAINING TO LDC 14-0062, THE FREESTANDING EMERGENCY ROOMS.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT WE FIND LDC 14-0062 CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

>>MITCH THROWER: SECOND.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOLLANDS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER THROWER.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS CODE AMENDMENT?

>>STEPHANIE AGLIANO: I JUST HAD ONE THING.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: COMMISSIONER AGLIANO.

>>STEPHANIE AGLIANO: I KNOW THAT THE HELIPADS, A COUPLE OF PLACES THEY SAY THEY ARE PROHIBITED?

>> YES, IN THE OFFICE ZONING DISTRICT, HELIPADS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, AND ALSO THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE ON A COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL ROADWAY, THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS.

>>STEPHANIE AGLIANO: [SPEAKER OFF MIC]

>> IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS.

IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS YOU COULD, AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ALREADY ALLOW HOSPITALS, BUT IN THE OFFICE DISTRICT ESPECIALLY, YOU CANNOT HAVE HELIPADS.

LET ME CONFIRM WITH ISABELLE WHICH OTHER DISTRICTS.

>>STEPHANIE AGLIANO: I THINK SHE SAID COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A HOSPITAL, SO HOW DOES THAT --

>>ISABELLE ALBERT: ISABELLE ALBERT, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WHERE HOSPITALS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS WHERE THEY DO HAVE HELIPADS, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED THERE.

BUT IN THE OFFICE ZONING DISTRICTS, IN THE LIGHTING COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, THEY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED.

AND THESE ARE LISTED IN THE -- THEY'LL BE LISTED.

THANK YOU.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY AYE.

[CHORUS OF AYES]

THOSE OPPOSED?

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY BY MEMBERS PRESENT.

NOW I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON LDC 14-0063, THE CHARTER PRIVATE SCHOOLS CIRCULATION AND QUEUING.

>> IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONTINUE THIS, OR DO WE HAVE TO RULE IT INCONSISTENT OR CONSISTENT OR TO CONTINUE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS?

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: WHEN IS THE BOARD TAKING THIS UP?

>> [SPEAKER OFF MIC]

IT'S WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS A HEARING.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: THAT'S OUR FINAL HEARING; RIGHT?

>> YES.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT THE BOARD'S GOING TO CONTINUE IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO REQUEST THAT THEY CONTINUE IT OR --

>> WELL, NO.

I'M JUST --

>> CAN WE MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION?

>> YEAH, I JUST -- THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST PUTTING SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THEM VERSUS NOT.

I BELIEVE BOTH GOVERNMENT BOARDS REALLY DO TAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS SERIOUSLY.

THEY LOOK TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO EITHER TRY TO WORK WITH IT AND THEN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON WHETHER WE FIND SOMETHING CONSISTENT OR NOT CONSISTENT.

I'M NOT SURE THIS IS VERY REALISTIC, LIKE COMMISSIONER YOUNG SAYS, SO THEN HOW DIFFICULT WILL IT BE TO CONTINUE TO GIVE PEOPLE CHOICES FOR EDUCATION?

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE ANSWER IS ALL QUEUING WITHOUT ADDRESSING -- YOU KNOW.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: LET'S -- I WANT TO PROBE INTO THE CONTEXT OF THIS.

CAN SOMEONE SAY EXACTLY HOW THIS CAME ABOUT?

BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING I KNOW, AND I JUST WANT TO HEAR.

OBVIOUSLY, SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT SPURRED THIS AMENDMENT OCCURRING.

>> WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION, SIR?

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: MY QUESTION IS HOW WAS THIS AMENDMENT -- WHY WAS THIS PROPOSED?

SOMETHING HAPPENED OR -- YOU KNOW, I CAN GUESS, BUT I WANT YOU TO KIND OF TELL ME, HOW DID IT COME ABOUT?

OR DO WE KNOW?

>> THE TWO CHARTER SCHOOLS WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, WATERS AND MONTAGUE, LINEBAUGH --

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO MAKE YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THOSE?

WERE THERE ACCIDENTS?

WERE THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN AN UPROAR OVER WHAT WAS GOING ON?

WHY WAS THIS A PROBLEM?

>> BOTH THOSE SITUATIONS, FOLKS PARKING IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, PREDOMINANTLY THOSE THREE ISSUES: TRAFFIC BACKUP, HAZARDOUS TRAFFIC CONDITIONS, DISRUPTING NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY, PARKING IN --

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: SO YOU RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS?

IS THAT --

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: THEY WERE CALLING THE BOARD OR SOMETHING?

>> THEY STILL ARE.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: I AM STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE IMPETUS OF THIS IS.

THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED IT WAS.

>> I GUESS MY THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS ARE WHAT DOES THIS DO TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED RIGHT NOW, AND THEN HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THOSE TWO SCHOOLS IS EVERYTHING FROM SIGNAGE, CHANGING SIGNAL TIMING, WORKING WITH THE ACTUAL SCHOOL DEVELOPER TO IMPROVE ON-SITE CIRCULATION, PRESENTING THEM ALTERNATIVE IDEAS TO CIRCULATION ON THEIR SITES, ALL THOSE THINGS.

WE'VE INCREASED LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> THOSE TWO SCHOOLS ARE BOTH LOCATED IN UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY?

>> THEY ARE.

>> AND I THINK TO GO TO COMMISSIONER AGLIANO'S DISCUSSION, I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND IT EITHER CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT BUT THEN INCLUDE WITH IT A LETTER DISCUSSING OUR REASONS WHY.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: YEAH, I THINK EVEN IF WE -- AND I AM NOT SURE.

WE CAN LOOK FOR POLICIES IN THE PLAN, BUT I DO THINK IF IT'S GOING TO BE FOUND INCONSISTENT, WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF A NARRATIVE AS TO WHAT OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM.

>> OKAY.

SO LET'S SAY WE FIND IT CONSISTENT.

DO THOSE SCHOOLS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE ROOM?

>> NO.

>> NO.

>> NO.

>> I AM JUST TRYING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND --

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE --

[OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS]

>> I THINK WE'VE GOT TO WORK TOWARD THAT AND CONTINUE.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: PLEASE, LET MR. MAZUR --

>> CHAIR, IF I MAY.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE INTENT WAS TO MAKE SURE ANY FUTURE CHARTER SCHOOLS WOULD NOT HAVE THIS SAME ISSUE.

THERE'S CURRENTLY SIX CHARTERS THAT HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED FOR THE FALL OF 2015, THREE OF WHICH DO NOT HAVE CURRENT ADDRESSES.

THE OTHER THREE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE SCHOOL GOT A CHARTER FOR AN ADDITIONAL MIDDLE SCHOOL, SO THEY ARE GOING TO STAY IN THEIR CURRENT ADDRESS.

SO THE IDEA IS IF WE GET THESE -- WE GET THIS PLAN IN PLACE NOW, WE CAN CAPTURE THOSE SCHOOLS COMING IN BECAUSE THEY WILL BE FILING THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLANS MID/LATE SUMMER COMING UP.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: I AM SORRY, I HAVE TWO OTHER QUESTIONS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT.

ONE IS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CHARTER SCHOOL INDUSTRY.

HAVE THEY TAKEN A POSITION ON THIS?

>> CHARTER SCHOOLS OF AMERICA HAS MET WITH US TWICE.

I TALK TO THEM ALL THE TIME.

FRANKLY, TO HELP RECTIFY CURRENT SITUATIONS.

AND SO THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THIS.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: WELL, WHAT DO THEY THINK ABOUT IT?

>> THEY ARE PRETTY NEUTRAL.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: SO THEY THINK THEY CAN LIVE WITH THESE STANDARDS?

>> THEY CERTAINLY HAVEN'T INDICATED THEY CAN'T.

I THINK, OF COURSE, THERE WOULD BE LESS CONSTRUCTION, LESS EXPENSE, SO THE LESS ASPHALT, THE BETTER.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY DON'T WANT TO CREATE A POOR IMAGE FOR THEIR PRODUCT, BEING THE SCHOOLS.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: MY OTHER QUESTION IS HOW HAVE CHARTER SCHOOLS BEEN TREATED IN THE ZONING CODE?

AS COMMERCIAL USES OR HOW?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S COMMERCIAL.

I THINK IT HAS TO BE --

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: WHAT STANDARDS ARE PUT ON THEM FOR EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY DO, THE CONSTRUCTION, CODES, AND WHAT -- WHAT DO YOU USE AS A GUIDANCE FOR A CHARTER SCHOOL?

>> OUR STANDARD TECHNICAL MANUALS.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: FOR SCHOOLS IN GENERAL OR FOR COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER?

>> COMMERCIAL SITE.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: FOR COMMERCIAL SITE, SO THEY HAVE BEEN TREATED AS COMMERCIAL SITES?

>> CORRECT.

>> JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

FIRST, I MEAN, I AM ALL FOR DOING SOMETHING.

OKAY?

I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GET A HANDLE, AND I THINK IT'S NOT JUST PARKING.

IT'S ABOUT YOU'VE GOT THIS MANY STUDENTS, YOU NEED TO GO GET THIS MUCH PROPERTY.

THE SCHOOLS THAT YOU MENTIONED FOR 2015, OF ALL THOSE SCHOOLS BEING PROPOSED, DO THEY HAVE THE PROPERTY TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WITH THIS NEW GUIDELINE?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: COMMISSIONER HOLLANDS.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: SORRY.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: OKAY.

>> WAS THAT A PRE-SENIOR MOMENT?

[LAUGHTER]

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: WELL, I -- MS. VALDES, YES.

>>CATHY VALDES: I SENSE YOUR STRUGGLE.

SINCE I AM THE PUBLIC SCHOOL REPRESENTATIVE HERE, I DID WANT TO SAY -- I AM NOT DISCOURAGING OR ENCOURAGING.

IT'S NOT THAT.

I JUST WANT TO PUT THE FACTS OUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS IS A DIFFERENT TREATMENT THAN REGULAR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS, I SHOULD SAY, BECAUSE CHARTERS ARE PUBLIC.

BUT I WOULD SAY WE ARE ALREADY DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE BRING TO THIS BODY OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN EACH YEAR.

YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED, ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, THE SITES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, EVERYTHING.

IF WE ARE DOING -- IF WE ARE CONSTRUCTING A SENIOR HIGH, THAT'S ELECTED OUT SEPARATELY.

WE HAVE TO COME AS A SPECIAL -- WITH A SPECIAL ITEM TO THIS BODY.

AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE OUR HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE NOT BEEN SUPPORTED BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND THAT'S NOT TRUE WITH CHARTER SCHOOLS.

THEY DON'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT.

IT'S A DIFFERENT -- IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP.

IT'S NOT -- LIKE I SAID, I AM NOT ENCOURAGING OR DISCOURAGING.

I AM JUST TELLING YOU WE ARE ALREADY DIFFERENT WITH REGARDS TO THE VARIOUS ISSUES THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>>RAY YOUNG: MR. CHAIR?

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: YES, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

>>RAY YOUNG: IN THE LAST 60 MONTHS IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, WE HAVE BUILT A SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL, WE BUILT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT BACKS UP ON A FEDERAL HIGHWAY, AND THE TRAFFIC IS UNBELIEVABLE AT 7:30 IN THE MORNING.

IT'S ATROCIOUS, AND IT'S IN UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH.

AND THAT'S ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW OF.

I DON'T SPEND MY TIME GOING OUT LOOKING AT THEM, BUT I GOT CAUGHT IN THAT TRAFFIC.

HILLSBOROUGH PUBLIC SCHOOL MAY VERY WELL, IN FACT -- AND OBVIOUSLY THEY DO -- BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE SAME STANDARD THAT WE'RE TRYING TO EMPLOY HERE.

AND WITH THAT, I AM PHILOSOPHICALLY OPPOSED TO IT.

THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU HAVE STAGING TO THIS REQUISITE AT EITHER ONE OF THOSE SCHOOLS, LET ALONE BOTH OF THEM, AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE STUDENTS ARE DRIVING AND PARKING -- A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THEM ARE DRIVING AND PARKING IN PARKING LOTS, AND IT'S STILL BACKED UP -- I WAS CAUGHT FOR OVER 30 MINUTES ON A FEDERAL HIGHWAY, TWO LANE.

THE FACT THAT WE'RE -- THE PLAN'S COMING BEFORE THE COUNTY AND THEY'RE REVIEWING IT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT IN APPLICATION, IT'S NOT THERE.

AND WE ARE CREATING MAJOR, MAJOR PROBLEMS.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY ACCIDENTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN OCCURRED BECAUSE OF THAT BACKUP.

IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.

I KNOW WE'RE IN A DILEMMA, BUT PERHAPS THE LANGUAGE MIGHT BE, TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- OR AT LEAST ONE COMMISSIONER -- IS HAVING MAJOR INDIGESTION WITH THIS WHOLE THING, AND IT RISES TO THE LEVEL THAT WE SHOULDN'T JUST SIMPLY PASS IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK AND THEY WANT TO APPROVE IT.

IN ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

I DON'T KNOW THE SOLUTION.

THAT'S WHAT WE PAY -- IT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE.

I HATE TO SAY THAT.

DID I JUST SAY THAT?

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER --

>> YOU MEAN YOU'RE GETTING PAID?

[LAUGHTER]

>>RAY YOUNG: I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, BUT I HAVE MY ANSWER IS THAT IT'S NOT GOOD.

AND IT WASN'T GOOD THE LAST MEETING OR THE MEETING BEFORE, AND IT'S NOT GOOD TODAY.

WE'VE MADE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT RISES TO THE LEVEL -- I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE HAVE A WORKSHOP, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING OTHER THAN THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION ON SOMETHING THAT RISES TO THIS LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: BEFORE I GET TO YOU, COMMISSIONER, I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHERE IT'S A DILEMMA BECAUSE I -- WHEN I PUT MY DEVELOPING ENGINEER'S HAT ON, I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE RESTRICTION.

BUT I'VE ALSO, FROM EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD, WE ARE CURRENTLY CREATING PROBLEMS WITHOUT THIS PROVISION.

AND THEN LISTENING TO DIRECTOR CHIARAMONTE ABOUT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO KEEP THINGS, WHETHER THEY ARE CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD AT THIS BODY OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH ARE TO TRY TO BIFURCATE OUR RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THOSE OF THE COUNTY, WHO ACTUALLY WRITE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AS TO WHETHER WE'RE REGULATORS OR IDEA FOLK.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHERE I FEEL THAT I HAVE TO SUPPORT AND TRUST THAT THE PROCESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REVIEW WORKS OUT THE PROBLEMS THAT ARISE FROM THIS.

BUT I AM, I GUESS, ERRING MYSELF ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION TO ACTUALLY STOP THE SITUATION IN HAPPENING FOR FUTURE SCHOOLS WHILE ALSO REALIZING THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS ABOUT IT THAT I DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE FOR.

THAT MAY MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT HARDER.

BUT THERE ARE PROCESSES YOU CAN GO THROUGH.

YOU CAN APPLY FOR -- WHAT IS IT?

WAIVER IS NOT THE RIGHT TERM, BUT A VARIANCE, YES, FROM THE RULE BASED UPON A PARTICULAR HARDSHIP AND PROVIDING A PARTICULAR PLAN OF ACTION, WHETHER IT'S LIKE, OKAY, LOOK, WE ARE GOING TO STACK CARS IN THIS AREA OR THIS AREA AND ENTER INTO A NEGOTIATION WITH THE COUNTY.

SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION HERE.

I'VE HEARD MANY DISSENTING ONES FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE BOARD, BUT THE FACT STILL REMAINS THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO EITHER FIND IT CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT.

SO IF THERE ARE MORE COMMENTS, WE'LL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION, BUT WE STILL ULTIMATELY NEED A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: JUST TO ADD SOMETHING REGARDLESS OF HOW THE MOTION GOES, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD SEND THEM SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

BECAUSE WHAT I'M READING THE CONCERN IS -- AND AS I LISTENED TO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE SAME CONCERN -- IS THAT THEY ARE BEING TREATED BY DIFFERENT RULES.

IT WOULD SEEM WHAT WE WOULD WANT THE GOAL IS IN THE FUTURE TO WORK TOWARD HAVING THEM BEING TREATED BY THE SAME RULES.

I MEAN, JUST THE IDEA THAT CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE TREATED AS A COMMERCIAL USE, I'M NOT SURE THAT MAKES SENSE.

WHY ARE THEY DIFFERENT?

SO I THINK WE SHOULD ELABORATE BECAUSE I THINK WHAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING IS YOU WANT THEM TREATED FAIRLY TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

SO HOWEVER WE DO THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD WRITE UP A LETTER TO THAT EFFECT, THAT THE GOAL IS THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD WORK TOWARDS STANDARDS WHERE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND CHARTER SCHOOLS OPERATE UNDER THE SAME STANDARDS.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN, I WOULD IMAGINE -- I BELIEVE THAT BOTH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND CHARTER SCHOOLS ALL HAVE TO BE DESIGNED TO COMMERCIAL STANDARDS.

THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL REGULATION AS TO BEING IMPOSED QUEUE LENGTH WISE THAT IS IN THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR A REGULAR PUBLIC SCHOOL, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE HELD TO IT.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS.

I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO SIMILAR OR THE SAME REGULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS ONE BEING SPECIFICALLY ENFORCED.

YES, MS. VALDES, PLEASE CORRECT ME.

>>CATHY VALDES: ALL SCHOOLS ARE BUILT TO FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.

IN ADDITION, WITH OUR REGULAR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS WITH THE STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES THAT TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE REQUIRED, BUT ALL SCHOOLS ARE BUILT, INCLUDING CHARTERS, TO FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.

>> ROY, ARE REGULAR PUBLIC SCHOOLS REQUIRED TO FIT COMMERCIAL SITE STANDARDS?

>> NO, NO.

WE REVIEW THEM -- WHEN THEY SEND US THEIR PLANS, WE APPLY THE COMMERCIAL STANDARDS TO THEM AND MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

I HAVE SOMETHING ON THE ELMO WHICH MIGHT ADD MORE INFORMATION TO THE -- IF WE COULD FIRE THAT UP.

IT IS AN INTERESTING POINT.

I FIND IT INTERESTING.

THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE -- THIS IS A TITLE PAGE THAT I BROUGHT FOR THE WATERS AVENUE CHARTER SCHOOL PLAN SET.

THIS IS THE TITLE PAGE.

AND I'M POINTING TOWARD IT.

IT SAYS OWNER.

THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY IS A LIMITED LIABILITY CORPORATION IN WEST PALM.

NOT THE SCHOOL BOARD, NOT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, AN LLC IN WEST PALM OWNS, AND THAT PARENT COMPANY DEVELOPED THE SITE.

JUST, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: YES, MA'AM.

>> IS THERE ANY REASON GOING FORWARD THAT WE CAN'T MODEL WHAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS TRY TO ACHIEVE WHEN IT COMES TO NUMBER OF STUDENTS AND THEIR PROCESSES THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE?

I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHY CHARTER SCHOOLS AREN'T BEING ASKED TO DO THE SAME.

MAYBE THAT WILL HELP MAKE THIS MORE CONSISTENT.

>> JUST TO PROVIDE AN ANSWER, I'M NOT SURE IT'S OUR PLACE TO PLACE THAT REGULATION/BURDEN ON HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS.

I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER BODY THAT, TO COIN A PHRASE FROM COMMISSIONER YOUNG, THAT MAY BE BEYOND OUR PAY GRADE.

>> BUT I AM THINKING WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT GUIDELINES FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS, WHY AREN'T WE SAYING HEY, HERE'S BEST PRACTICES FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, AND SAYING WHY AREN'T WE MODELING?

THEY OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT NUMBER OF STUDENTS, HOW MANY ACRES THEY NEED, THE WAY THEY'RE BUILDING.

IF WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT, WHY AREN'T WE ASKING EVERYBODY ELSE TO WORK WITHIN THE SAME GUIDELINES AS A SCHOOL.

(AUDIO INTERFERENCE)

I DON'T KNOW.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

OH, I'M SORRY.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I JUST CALL FOR A QUESTION, SEE IF WE CAN JUST -- I WOULD LIKE TO TENDER A MOTION.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: OKAY.

YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION.

YOU CAN'T CALL THE QUESTION UNTIL THE MOTION IS ON THE TABLE.

>> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: BY ALL MEANS, MAKE A MOTION.

>>GARY PIKE: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT LDC 14-0063 IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND RECOMMEND THAT MR. CHIARAMONTE SENDS A LETTER, OR IF IT SHOULD BE FRAMED FROM US, BUT TO THE -- A LETTER FRAMING OUR CONCERNS WITH THIS AND THAT THIS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: WE HAVE A MOTION.

>>THEODORE TRENT GREEN: I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION, MR. CHAIR.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PIKE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREEN.

IS THERE DISCUSSION?

YES, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

>>RAY YOUNG: I'M NOT SO SURE THAT WE WON'T WIND UP IN A SIMILAR POSTURE THAT WE ARE TODAY.

I THINK THE DYNAMIC OF THIS ENTIRE ISSUE IS THAT IF A CHARTER SCHOOL OR PRIVATE SCHOOL IS OPERATING UNDER, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A COMMERCIAL ENTITY AND NOT AS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS OPERATING AS A EDUCATION OR PUBLIC SCHOOL, IS THAT -- DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY?

A CHARTER AND PRIVATE SCHOOL OPERATING AS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY?

ROY?

>> THE PROPERTY OWNER IS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY, AND IT'S BEING --

>>RAY YOUNG: I UNDERSTAND.

THEREFORE, IT'S BEING LOOKED AT AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

I AM TRYING TO PHRASE WHAT I WANT TO SAY AND BE NICE ABOUT IT.

THE REALITY IS, TO OUR COMP PLAN, IT IS CONSISTENT.

SO BY NATURE, I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT SAYING IT'S INCONSISTENT.

TO YOUR MOTION, COMMISSIONER PIKE.

IT RISES TO A HIGHER LEVEL THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE DECISIONS MADE, AND A SIMPLE DIRECTOR FROM MR. CHIARAMONTE, TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOCC, TO SAY WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON MULTIPLE MEETINGS ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE.

WE STILL CANNOT COME TO A LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY IN MY MIND, AND I THINK MAYBE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY AT ABOUT A 6-4 OR A 5-5, AND IF IT'S A 5-5, IT DIES.

I DON'T WANT TO KILL IT.

I WANT TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT -- WE'RE PROBABLY JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

I DON'T SEE THAT WE'RE FIXING THE PROBLEM.

IN ALL DUE RESPECT TO STAFF, TO ROY, SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT YET, AND I DON'T THINK THAT A MOTION TO SAY IT'S INCONSISTENT -- BECAUSE TECHNICALLY, IT IS CONSISTENT.

AND AGAIN, I AM NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO LET'S GET TO A GREEN LIGHT AND MOVE THIS THING FORWARD.

SO SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT.

I APOLOGIZE, COMMISSIONER PIKE.

>>GARY PIKE: NO PROBLEM.

>> I AM GOING TO CALL ABOUT MR. STRALEY AND SEE IF HE CAN COME UP WITH AN OPTION THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT BE ABLE TO ENTAIL THAT ALLOWS US TO -- WHETHER IT'S WE -- I MEAN, WE DO NOT -- TO GO BACK TO A PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO FIND IT CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT TODAY.

WE CAN DEFER OUR ACTION AND LET THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DO AS THEY PLEASE.

BUT SO HOW DO WE GET AROUND THE CONUNDRUM THAT WE HAVE WHERE WE BELIEVE IT IS TECHNICALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN BUT WE STILL HAVE DIFFICULTY IN SAYING YES?

>> [SPEAKER OFF MIC]

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: YOU NEED YOUR MIC.

>> ONE WAY TO DO THAT, MR. CHAIR, WOULD BE AS YOU INDICATED, SIMPLY NOT TAKE ACTION -- [FEEDBACK]

ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO NOT TAKE ACTION AND TO NEITHER FIND IT CONSISTENT NOR INCONSISTENT, ASK MR. CHIARAMONTE TO WRITE A LETTER EXPRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERN.

YOU COULD FIND IT CONSISTENT AND HAVE A LETTER EXPRESSING THE CONCERNS YOU HAVE NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT YOU FOUND IT CONSISTENT.

I WOULD THINK THAT THERE'S ENOUGH SUBJECTIVITY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU COULD ALSO FIND IT INCONSISTENT.

I MEAN, THERE ARE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES RELATIVE TO, YOU KNOW, THE IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

AND I'VE HEARD COMMISSIONERS EXPRESS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT POLICY OBJECTIVE AND WHETHER THIS WOULD TEND TO DISCOURAGE PRIVATE CHARTER SCHOOLS.

SO I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY ROOM IN THE COMP PLAN TO FIND IT INCONSISTENT.

I'M NOT SURE I CAN QUOTE CHAPTER AND VERSE THIS AFTERNOON, BUT I THINK I COULD WORK WITH MR. CHIARAMONTE TO DO THAT.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

>> IF THAT BE THE CASE, THEN I WOULD GO BACK AND THINK COMMISSIONER PIKE'S MOTION WAS IN ORDER.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: WELL, I -- IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HANG OUR HATS ON, TO CALL IT INCONSISTENT -- I THINK REGARDLESS WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT MOTION, WHICH IS VOTE ON IT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKELY TO TIE AND FAIL BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ODD NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

YES, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

>>RAY YOUNG: AND THIS WILL BE MY LAST COMMENT, I HOPE.

WOULD COMMISSIONER PIKE -- WOULD IT BE CONCEIVABLE TO ADD AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION THAT WE STILL WRITE THE LETTER FROM DIRECTOR CHIARAMONTE TO BOCC?

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: I THINK THAT WAS IN HIS MOTION.

THAT WAS IN HIS MOTION.

CORRECT?

CORRECT.

OKAY.

WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR FROM COMMISSIONER PIKE TO FIND THIS AMENDMENT INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DRAFT A LETTER TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION INDICATING OUR REASONS WHY.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SIGNIFY BY AYE.

[CHORUS OF AYES]

THOSE OPPOSED?

THE MOTION CARRIES WITH COMMISSIONER HOLLANDS AND COMMISSIONER DOUGHTY VOTING NO.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: JUST SO I CAN CLARIFY THE LETTER, SO WE WILL FIND POLICIES OF INCONSISTENCY THAT WE WILL LOOK FOR?

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: AND INCLUDE COMMISSIONERS --

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THOSE POLICIES ARE GOING TO --

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: AND INCLUDE OUR CONCERNS.

THANK YOU, MS. STENMARK.

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 4 ON OUR AGENDA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRIEFING ON THE JANUARY 2014 PLAN AMENDMENT SUBMITTALS.

MR. GRIFFIN.

>>STEVE GRIFFIN: GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

STEVE GRIFFIN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

THAT'S A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW.

BUT NONETHELESS, WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU THE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE JANUARY 2014 SUBMITTALS FOR YOUR REVIEW AND COMMENT.

THERE IS NO ACTION THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE TODAY.

WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH FOR YOUR FINDING OF CONSISTENCY OR INCONSISTENCY ON THESE PLAN AMENDMENTS.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAVE THE FIRST PLAN AMENDMENT COME BEFORE YOU, PLAN AMENDMENT 14-01, AND MS. KELLY WILL PRESENT THAT.

>>KRISTA KELLY: THANK YOU.

KRISTA KELLY, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

I AM PRESENTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 14-01.

THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT.

AS YOU SEE ON THE GENERAL LOCATION MAP, IT'S LOCATED IN THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE COUNTY.

IT'S EAST OF THE MEMORIAL HIGHWAY AND AT THE INTERSECTION OF TOWN 'N COUNTRY BOULEVARD AND MARSTON DRIVE.

THIS AMENDMENT SITE IS IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA.

THE SITE IS BOUNDED BY TOWN 'N COUNTRY BOULEVARD TO THE WEST, A CANAL AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO THE NORTH, AND MARSTON DRIVE TO THE SOUTH.

IT'S ALSO WITHIN THE TOWN 'N COUNTRY COMMUNITY PLAN BOUNDARY.

CURRENTLY THE SITE'S BEING USED FOR OUTDOOR BOAT AND VEHICLE STORAGE AND IS SERVING AS AN OVERFLOW SITE FOR A STORAGE AREA ACROSS TO THE SOUTH ON MARSTON DRIVE.

AS YOU SEE ON THE AERIAL, THE SITE IS FIVE ACRES IN SIZE, PARTIALLY DEVELOPED WITH AN OFFICE AND A PARKING AREA.

THE SURROUNDING AREA CONSISTS OF A MIX OF USES BETWEEN MEMORIAL AND MARSTON DRIVE.

THERE'S RETAIL COMMERCIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

TO THE EAST THERE ARE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

AND TO THE NORTH THERE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL-6 TO SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6.

AS YOU SEE ON THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS TO THE NORTH AND WEST AND TO THE SOUTH ARE RESIDENTIAL-6.

TO THE EAST, THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL-20.

ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE, WHERE SMU IS INTRODUCED INTO THE AREA.

IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE A FULL DESCRIPTION OF LAND USE CATEGORIES, BOTH RES-6 AND SMU ALLOW 6 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE -- PER GROSS ACRE -- WHICH WOULD EQUATE TO 31 UNITS ON THE SITE.

BOTH CATEGORIES ALLOW SUBURBAN-SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, LIMITED UP TO 175 SQUARE FEET OR A .250 FAR.

THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE IS SMU-ALLOWS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OFFICE AND RESEARCH CORPORATE PARK USES.

THIS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED FOR AGENCY REVIEWS, AND AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OBJECTIONS.

AS STEVE MENTIONED, THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED AT THIS TIME, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THIS AMENDMENT ON MARCH 10.

AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, MS. KELLY.

COMMISSIONERS, WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. KELLY PERTAINING TO THIS PROPOSAL?

THANK YOU, MS. KELLY.

PEDRO.

>>PEDRO PARRA: GOOD AFTERNOON, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.

PEDRO PARRA, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

I HAVE THE HONOR OF PRESENTING A PLAN AMENDMENT AT SAFFOLD ROAD AND U.S. HIGHWAY 301 ENTITLED COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT 14-02.

IT'S A 49.6-ACRE SITE CONSISTING OF EIGHT PARCELS.

IT'S EAST OF U.S. HIGHWAY 301 AND SOUTH OF SAFFOLD ROAD.

IT'S IN THE RURAL AREA OF THE COUNTY AND WITHIN THE WIMAUMA VILLAGE PLAN BOUNDARY.

IF YOU'LL LOOK AT YOUR GRAPHIC, YOU CAN SEE IT'S LOCATED AT THE VERY EDGE OF THE WIMAUMA VILLAGE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND IT'S ADJACENT TO THE LITTLE MANATEE SOUTH COMMUNITY PLAN.

AND THE SUN CITY CENTER COMMUNITY PLAN.

THE AERIAL THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU SHOWS YOU THAT MOST OF THE AREA AROUND IT IS VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND ON THE WEST SIDE.

BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXISTING PARCELIZED AREAS THAT ARE SMALL.

YOU CAN SEE THE SITE NOW.

AGAIN, IT'S VACANT.

IT IS PLOTTED FOR EIGHT LOTS.

AND THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE ROAD.

THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE IS AGRICULTURAL RURAL 1 TO 5, AND THEN THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS TO THE RESIDENTIAL-1 CATEGORY.

THE SURROUNDING USES -- SURROUNDING FUTURE LAND USES ARE TO THE NORTH THE WIMAUMA VILLAGE R-2 DESIGNATION, AND TO THE EAST, AGAIN, IT'S WIMAUMA VILLAGE R-2, AND NATURAL PRESERVATION, THAT'S THE LIGHT GREEN, AND THEN ON THE SOUTH YOU HAVE THE NATURAL -- I'M SORRY -- THE DARK BLUE, AND THE NATURAL PRESERVATION IS THE LIGHT GREEN.

ON THE SOUTH IT'S, AGAIN, THE NATURAL PRESERVATION, AND THE DARKER GREEN IS THE AGRICULTURAL RURAL 1 TO 5 CATEGORY, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE.

THE EXISTING USES IN THE AREA, IF WE BEGIN AT THE NORTH END, AT THE TOP, IF WE GO AROUND CLOCKWISE, WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY MOBILE HOME VACANT AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE.

AGAIN, THESE ARE AGRICULTURAL USES.

IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL PACKING AND SENDING PLANT.

ON THE EAST WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY MOBILE HOME AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AGAINST THE SAME PARCEL ON THE EAST, AND ON THE SOUTH WE HAVE QUASI-PUBLIC AND PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL.

AND THEN ON THE WEST SIDE, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SITE, IT IS PUBLIC/QUASI-PUBLIC AND INSTITUTIONS, BUT THERE IS -- WHAT YOU SEE IN THE RUST COLOR IS ACTUALLY MASONIC LODGE AND CAMPING COMPLEX.

I BELIEVE IT'S FOR THE BOY SCOUTS.

THE IMPACT OF THIS PROPOSED CHANGE FROM THE AGRICULTURAL 1 TO 5 TO THE RESIDENTIAL-1, BOTH OF THE PLAN CATEGORIES ARE DESCRIBED AS RURAL IN THE PLAN.

UNDER THE AGRICULTURAL RURAL 1 TO 5, THERE WOULD BE AN ALLOWANCE OF UP TO 9.9 DWELLING UNITS ON THE SITE.

THERE IS A ABILITY TO PROVIDE FOR UP TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF RURAL-SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OFFICE OR INDUSTRIAL, AND AGAIN, THE INDUSTRIAL IS AGRICULTURAL.

THE -- OKAY.

YOUR GRAPHIC, I NEED TO CORRECT THE GRAPHIC.

UNDER THE AGRICULTURAL RURAL, IT SHOULD BE 40,000 SQUARE FEET, AND UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL ONE, IT SHOULD BE 30,000 SQUARE FEET.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE OF UP TO A .25 OF A FLOOR AREA RATIO IN BOTH CATEGORIES.

UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-1, THE 30,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WOULD BE RURAL-SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OFFICE, MULTIPURPOSE PROPERTY, WITH A .25 FAR.

WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME RESPONSES FROM AGENCIES.

THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

IT WAS SENT OUT BEFORE THE PACKET WAS PUT TOGETHER, AND THEY WILL BE INCLUDED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED AT THIS TIME, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON MARCH 10 IN FRONT OF YOU.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, MR. PARRA.

COMMISSIONER HOLLANDS.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: YEAH, PEDRO, IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA THERE, IS THERE ANY OTHER RES-1 THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS?

>>PEDRO PARRA: THERE IS NOT.

THERE ARE AGRICULTURAL RURAL 1 TO 5, NATURAL PRESERVATION, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH THERE IS THE WIMAUMA VILLAGE.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: WHAT I AM AWARE OF THERE, LAKE TOSCANA WAS THE COUNTY'S FIRST NATURAL PRESERVATION COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S CLUSTERED AND STILL WITHIN THE 1 PER 5 CATEGORY.

THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE BETWEEN TOSCANA AND THIS SITE.

>> RIVER ESTATES.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: RIVER ESTATES, CORRECT.

AND I DON'T RECALL NOW WHAT THE ZONING -- WHAT THE LAND USE CATEGORY ON THAT ONE WAS.

>> STEVE JUST POINTED OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IMMEDIATELY SOUTH, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL-1 CATEGORY.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: OKAY.

BETWEEN THAT.

THAT'S WHERE RIVER ESTATES IS NOW?

>> NO.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: IT'S FURTHER SOUTH OF THAT?

>>PEDRO PARRA: NO, I THINK, STEVE, I WAS CORRECT.

THIS IS LABELING WHAT THE CHANGE WOULD BE.

THIS IS NATURAL PRESERVATION, STEVE.

YOU ARE TALKING HERE?

THIS LITTLE SUBDIVISION.

YEAH, THERE IS AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION THERE BROKEN OUT INTO A NUMBER OF LOTS.

AT THE WORKSHOP, WE CAN BRING TO YOU WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE ON THE GROUND.

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

I THINK IF WE ARE STEPPING DOWN FROM THE 500-PLUS ACRE 1 PER 5 THAT'S CLUSTERED IN LAKE TOSCANA, AS WE HEAD CLOSER TO U.S. 301, THEN THAT MIGHT BE OKAY.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: I MIGHT POINT OUT FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER HOLLANDS, IT DOES APPEAR RIVER ESTATES, IF I HAD TO GUESS, HAD TO BE AROUND THE 1 TO 1 RANGE.

THERE'S THE NATURAL PRESERVATION IN THE BLUE ON YOUR MAP ON THE SCREEN.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DELINEATION.

THE CURRENT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS PLATTED FOR EIGHT LOTS IN THE FIVE-ACRE RANGE, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THOSE LOTS IN DIFFERENTIAL TO THE ONES IN THE ESTATES.

KEEP IN MIND YOU HAVE WHAT APPEAR TO BE NATURAL BOUNDARIES, THE MANATEE RIVER ON ONE SIDE, AND YOU ARE BUMPING UP PRETTY CLOSE TO 301 ON THE NORTH.

>> YEAH, YOU ARE, LITTLE MANATEE ON THE SOUTH AND DUG CREEK UP ON THE TOP.

>>PEDRO PARRA: THERE'S A CREEK SYSTEM HERE AND THEN THE LITTLE MANATEE RIVER IS HERE.

STAFF HAS NOT DONE STAFF REPORT YET, SO WE'VE NOT COMPLETED OUR ANALYSIS OF THIS PROJECT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THANKS.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, PEDRO.

I'M SORRY.

COMMISSIONER GREEN.

>>THEODORE TRENT GREEN: I JUST HAVE A -- IT MIGHT BE A RATHER SIMPLE QUESTION, BUT HOW DO YOU GET A FRACTION OF A UNIT IN ONE LAND USE CATEGORY AND NOT IN THE OTHER?

>>PEDRO PARRA: THE NUMBER OF ACRES -- OKAY.

YOU ARE IN THE 48 ACRES.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN AN APPROXIMATE NUMBER.

I CAN LOOK AT IT TOO.

IT WAS 48.67 ACRES, I BELIEVE.

>>THEODORE TRENT GREEN: OKAY.

DO YOU ROUND UP OR DO YOU --

>>PEDRO PARRA: THE REASON THAT I SHOWED 9.3 IN THIS ONE IS THAT IT IS PLATTED FOR EIGHT, BUT THERE ARE SOME POLICIES IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT MIGHT LET THEM GO UP TO THE TEN IN THIS CASE, SO THE OTHER ONE HAD A MUCH LOWER RATIO, SO I ROUNDED IT TO WHAT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL BUILDABLE.

THIS ONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO TO TEN.

>>THEODORE TRENT GREEN: THANK YOU.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, PEDRO.

IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

NO?

MR. KRANJEC.

>>RANDY KRANJEC: GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

RANDY KRANJEC, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

ANOTHER PRIVATELY INITIATED MAP AMENDMENT, 14-03, UP IN THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, VAN DYKE ROAD AND LAKE SHORE DRIVE.

THIS IS IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA.

IT'S IN THE LUTZ PLAN AREA, LUTZ COMMUNITY PLAN BOUNDARY, AND BASICALLY, THE LUTZ COMMUNITY PLAN BOUNDARY RELATIVE TO LAND WEST OF DALE MABRY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT IT IS MORE AND WILL BE MORE SUBURBAN IN CHARACTER THAN LUTZ EAST OF DALE MABRY.

HERE'S THE AERIAL.

YOU SEE THE SITE OUTLINED IN PINK.

IT'S ABOUT 19.8 ACRES.

IT'S ABOUT 16 ACRES, 15 ACRES ARE BUILDABLE, WITH WETLANDS ON THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE SITE AND THEN NORTH OF THAT YOU SEE A SUBSTANTIAL WETLAND AREA.

JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS SITE IS A LARGE SALVATION ARMY.

I GUESS WE COULD CALL IT THEIR REGIONAL HEADQUARTERS, FAIRLY NEW OFFICE COMPLEX.

AND THEN WEST OF THERE, AROUND THAT CIRCULAR LAKE IS LAKE CARLTON ARMS, LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

YOU SEE THE VETERANS EXPRESSWAY SOUTH OF THIS SITE.

AND LARGER LOT DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH OF THAT.

A MIXTURE OF LOT SIZES, PRIMARILY AN ACRE OR MORE, AND THERE'S LIMITED AGRICULTURAL IN THE AREA AS WELL.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE.

AGAIN, MOSTLY PASTURE.

THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, TWO RESIDENCES ON THERE RIGHT NOW, AND AS I SAID, ABOUT 15 TO 16 ACRES ARE BUILDABLE.

THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE SUBJECT SITE SOUTH ACROSS VAN DYKE ROAD.

IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE SITE IS A TYPICAL CONVENIENCE GAS-TYPE OPERATION.

AND AGAIN, IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE SITE IS THAT SALVATION ARMY OFFICE.

EXISTING LAND USES I WENT OVER WITH THE AERIAL, THE USES ON THE AERIAL.

THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS ADOPTED.

YOU CAN SEE THIS SITE IS RESIDENTIAL-2.

AREA TO THE WEST IS RESIDENTIAL-4.

AREAS TO THE SOUTH ARE RESIDENTIAL-1, WITH A RESIDENTIAL-12 CATEGORY RIGHT HERE ALONG OLD TOBACCO ROAD.

AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT THIS SITE HERE THAT'S HASHED, THIS SITE CAME BEFORE YOU RECENTLY, AND YOU FOUND THAT THIS CAME -- IT WAS RESIDENTIAL-4, REQUESTING RESIDENTIAL-12, AS IS THIS SITE, AND YOU FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.

STAFF DID AS WELL.

AND THIS WILL BE GOING TO THE BOARD ON THURSDAY.

SO THIS CHANGE WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS FROM 38 TO 237.

THE RESIDENTIAL-12 DOES HAVE A LITTLE HIGHER FLOOR AREA RATIO.

THE AMOUNT OF NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT COULD BE BUILT ON THE SITE IS A .35, AND THEN WITH A MIXTURE OF USES, INCLUDING OFFICE AND SOME RESIDENTIAL SUPPORT USES, YOU COULD GET UP TO A .5 FLOOR AREA RATIO.

WE HAVE RECEIVED A FEW COMMENTS TO DATE, BUT AT THE TIME THAT WE PUT THIS TOGETHER, THERE WERE NONE, AND THOSE WILL COME TO YOU IN YOUR FULL PACKET WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION DOWN THE ROAD.

AGAIN, NO ACTION IS NECESSARY AT THIS TIME, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>>MITCH THROWER: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS?

COMMISSIONER HOLLANDS?

>>BRIAN HOLLANDS: JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, AGAIN I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP, I THOUGHT I SAW IN THE TEXT THAT IT WAS, BUT THE SITE IS -- IS WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA; CORRECT?

>> IT IS.

>>MITCH THROWER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

THANK YOU.

NEXT UP IS CPA 14-04, U.S. HIGHWAY 301 AND OHIO AVENUE.

>>PEDRO PARRA: AGAIN, PEDRO PARRA, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 14-04 IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED PLAN AMENDMENT.

IT'S LOCATED AT U.S. 301 AND OHIO AVENUE.

IT IS A 14.12-ACRE SITE CONSISTING OF ONE PARCEL.

IT'S NORTH AND WEST OF U.S. HIGHWAY 301 AND SOUTH OF OHIO AVENUE.

IT'S IN THE RURAL AREA, AND IT'S WITHIN THE THONOTOSASSA COMMUNITY PLAN BOUNDARY.

IF THIS SITE LOOKS FAMILIAR TO SOME OF YOU, IT'S BECAUSE THIS SITE WAS SUBMITTED AS A PLAN AMENDMENT IN THE JULY 2013 CYCLE, WITH THE SAME REQUEST.

THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DID NOT TRANSMIT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 13-05, WHICH WAS ENTITLED THEN, AT ITS FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO TRANSMIT; AND THEREFORE, THERE WAS NO FURTHER CONSIDERATION OF THIS PLAN AMENDMENT.

AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

IF WE START ON THE NORTH, THIS IS NATURAL PRESERVATION, OPEN AREAS.

THERE ARE SOME SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS.

THERE'S A MOBILE HOME PARK ON THE EAST SIDE.

AND THEN THERE IS A STORAGE FACILITY HERE AT THE CURVE.

IN THE FRONT THERE IS -- THIS IS, AGAIN, PART OF THE SAME OWNERSHIP PATTERN.

IT IS ALREADY ON THE FRONT OF U.S. HIGHWAY 301, THE SUBURBAN MIXED USE DESIGNATION THAT'S PART OF THIS REQUEST, AND THE REQUEST IS FROM A RESIDENTIAL-4 PLAN CATEGORY TO SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6 CATEGORY.

THE SAME IS TRUE ON THE PARCEL TO THE WEST.

THE FRONT PART OF IT IS IN THE SMU-6.

THE BACK PORTION IS A NONCONFORMING ZONING THAT IS PART OF THE AMERICAN AUCTION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SITE, WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN ON THE WEST SIDE, AND I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF WHAT IS ON THE NORTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.

THIS IS THE AMERICAN AUCTION IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST.

HERE IS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST, LEADING BACK TO THE PARCEL THAT IS BEING SUBMITTED FOR PLAN AMENDMENT.

IT'S VACANT.

HERE IS THE STORAGE FACILITY THAT'S AT THE CURVE.

AND THEN THERE IS A MOBILE HOME PARK GOING UP TO OHIO AVENUE.

WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE DISTANCE FROM THIS PARCEL TO THE URBAN SERVICE LINE.

IT'S JUST UNDER A MILE.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM THE EXISTING URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

IF WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON THE LEFT IS RESIDENTIAL-4 AND ON THE RIGHT IS SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CHANGE EXTENDS THE MORE INTENSE OR SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6 BACK TO OHIO AVENUE, SO IT MOVES IT AWAY FROM JUST THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF 301.

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY, HERE IS HARNEY ROAD, AND MAIN STREET.

THIS IS ALSO EXISTING SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6.

BOTH OF THESE HAVE EXISTED SINCE THE PLAN WAS UPDATED, AND THEN IT WENT THROUGH ZONING CONFORMANCE IN 1992.

AND IT RECOGNIZES THE INTENSITY THAT WAS IN PLACE UNDER THE PRIOR PLAN CATEGORIES THAT WERE IN PLACE, AND THEY RECOGNIZED THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN, THIS GRAPHIC IS SHOWING YOU ON THE AERIAL WHERE THE EXISTING SMU-6 BOUNDARIES ARE.

AGAIN, THIS AREA IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST, THE BACK IS A NONCONFORMING USE THAT WAS NOT CHANGED WHEN WE UPDATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO RECOGNIZE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS.

AND I AM SHOWING YOU THE EXISTING SMU-6 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 301 AS WELL.

THE EXISTING USES ON THIS SITE, IF WE BEGIN AGAIN ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE HAVE -- ON THE WEST SIDE, WE HAVE HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

THEN WE HAVE A PUBLIC USE.

THEN WE HAVE IN YELLOW THE SINGLE-FAMILY.

THE TAN IS A MOBILE HOME PARK.

THE PINK IS LIGHT COMMERCIAL.

AND THE ORANGE IS TWO FAMILY.

THE IMPACT OF CHANGE.

UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-4, THE EXISTING PLAN CATEGORY, IT IS RECOGNIZED AS NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE.

IT WOULD ALLOW UP TO 56 DWELLING UNITS ON SITE, UP TO 175,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND A .25 FLOOR AREA RATIO.

THE CHANGE IN INTENSITY TO THE SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6 FOR THIS PART OF THE PLAN AMENDMENT SITE WOULD BE TO CHANGE IT FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO COMMUNITY SCALE.

IT WOULD ALLOW 84 DWELLING UNITS ON-SITE.

AND IT PROVIDES FOR UP TO 175,000 SQUARE FEET OR .25 FLOOR AREA RATIO.

THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE SMU-6, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL INTENSITIES THAT CAN BE ALLOWED.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SMU-6, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE LIMITED TO FREESTANDING PROJECTS OR 20% OF THE PROJECT'S LAND AREA WHEN PART OF A LARGER PLAN, RESEARCH OR CORPORATE PARK.

IT WOULD ALLOW A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO OF .35, CONSIDERATIONS FOR OFFICE, RESEARCH, CORPORATE PARK, AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MULTIPURPOSE USES, AS WELL AS MIXED-USE PROJECTS, AND THERE CAN BE CONSIDERATIONS IN THE SMU-6, SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6 CATEGORY, FOR FLOOR AREA RATIO UP TO . 5 FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.

IN ORDER TO APPLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES, IT WOULD NEED TO -- THE SITE WOULD NEED TO MEET THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.

THE FRONT PORTION OF IT DOES MEET LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.

THE BACK PORTION WOULD NOT MEET LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.

AND I BELIEVE STEVE WANTS TO SPEAK TO YOU ON THIS ONE.

>>STEVE GRIFFIN: THANK YOU, PEDRO.

COMMISSIONERS, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF THIS AREA.

SINCE I WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS AREA WHEN WE DID ZONING CONFORMANCE.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF INTENSITY HAPPENING OUT HERE.

AND THE MAJOR REASON THAT THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE, THERE WAS A LOT OF IT DONE PRIOR TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING BEING MESHED TOGETHER.

PRIOR TO THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACT OF 1985, ZONINGS DIDN'T HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BACK THERE CALLED THE HORIZON 2000, A LOT OF ZONINGS TOOK PLACE, WEREN'T NECESSARILY CONSISTENT WITH THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO YOU SEE A LOT OF INTENSITY OF INDUSTRIAL USES HERE.

YOU SEE THE MOBILE HOME PARK, THIS MACHINERY AUCTION, EVEN SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS NOT WHAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE IN YOUR RURAL AREA.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE THIS AREA WAS DEVELOPED BACK IN THE LATE 60s, EARLY 70s AND 80s, WHERE ZONING DIDN'T NECESSARILY MEET OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE HORIZON 2000 PLAN, THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH HAD A DENSITY OF UP TO 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE.

SO WHEN THE COUNTY DID ADOPT ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BACK IN 1989, A LOT OF THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED AT THAT TIME SUBURBAN MIXED-USE -- EXCUSE ME -- SUBURBAN-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS FOUR UNITS TO THE ACRE, AND LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS SIX UNITS TO THE ACRE, AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A LOT OF THE HIGHER-DENSITY PLAN CATEGORIES OUT IN THE RURAL AREA TO REFLECT THE ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD PRIOR TO THE COMP PLAN AND THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACT.

SO WHEN WE DID ZONING CONFORMANCE, WE WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THE ZONING PATTERN AND NOTICED THERE WAS A LOT OF INTENSE ZONING OUT THERE, C-2, C-3, THAT DIDN'T MATCH UP WITH THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT WERE PLACED ON THIS LAND AREA.

SO IN 1994, WHEN THE COMP PLAN GOT UPDATED TO REFLECT A LOT OF THINGS WE FOUND IN ZONING CONFORMANCE, THAT'S WHERE THE AREA CAME IN, AS PEDRO TALKED ABOUT, THAT SHOWED THE EXISTING SMU-6.

I'LL BACK UP A LITTLE BIT HERE.

THIS RED AREA HERE.

IN '94, WE DESIGNATED THAT OFFICE COMMERCIAL, OC, TO TRY TO PICK UP AND RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE EXISTING ZONING, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT WAS OUT THERE.

WE DIDN'T GIVE IT ALL, BUT WE GOT SOME OF IT, MOSTLY THE FRONTAGE ALONG 301.

AND THAT OC DID RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE EXISTING ZONING, SOME OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

WE CHANGED THAT OC TO SMU-6 IN 1998, WHEN WE UPDATED THE COMP PLAN, AND AGAIN, JUST -- WE DIDN'T EXPAND IT.

WE JUST CHANGED THE CATEGORY TO REFLECT THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT'S OUT THERE.

SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS ETHIOPIAN COMMUNITY IS NOT RURAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE RURAL SERVICE AREA, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE PRIOR DEVELOPMENT THAT TOOK PLACE PRIOR TO THE COMP PLAN BEING ADOPTED IN 1989.

WE TRIED TO FIX AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY COULD WHEN WE UPDATED THE PLAN IN '94 AND '98, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF AREA WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PICK UP.

THAT'S WHY SOME OF IT, MOSTLY THIS TAMPA MACHINERY AUCTION AND EVEN THIS MOBILE HOME PARK, IS STILL LEFT IN A NONCONFORMING STATE.

OVER TIME, AS THOSE USES HOPEFULLY WOULD FADE AWAY, THEY WOULD BECOME IN LINE WITH WHAT WE SEE IN THE COMP PLAN FOR THIS AREA, WHICH IS RES-4.

AGAIN, THE RES-4 IS OUT THERE TO REFLECT THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PATTERN.

HERE YOU SEE THE SMALLER LOTS.

NOT ONE-ACRE LOTS, NOT FIVE-ACRE LOTS.

10,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOTS, 7,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOTS.

BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT'S OUT THERE.

SO YOUR PLAN SAYS WE RECOGNIZE THAT.

WE WANT TO LIMIT WHAT HAPPENS OUT THERE.

WE DON'T WANT TO EXPAND IT.

WE CAN INFILL IT IN CERTAIN PLACES, BUT AT LEAST TO RECOGNIZE WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IN THE PAST YEARS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE SMU-6 IN THE PLACE THAT IT IS.

ONLY TO THE POINT TO RECOGNIZE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO YOUR COMP PLAN BEING ADOPTED IN 1989.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO PEDRO, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: COMMISSIONER YOUNG, YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>>RAY YOUNG: I AM NOT SURE IF IT'S FOR PEDRO OR YOU, STEVE.

IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE ADOPTED 2025 FUTURE LAND USE PAGE THAT PROBABLY WELL OVER HALF OF THAT PROPERTY, THE SOUTHERN HALF, IS ENVIRONMENTAL WETLANDS.

AM I LOOKING AT THAT PAGE CORRECTLY?

>>STEVE GRIFFIN: YEAH, IT'S GOT A LOT OF CONSERVATION.

>>RAY YOUNG: ARE THOSE DELINEATED?

ARE WE GOING TO EXCAVATE, FILL?

IF IN THEORY IT'S 50% WETLANDS, ARE WE LOOKING AT 42 UNITS?

>>STEVE GRIFFIN: IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT COMES IN THROUGH DEVELOPMENT ACTION THROUGH ZONING.

AT THIS POINT, YOUR COMP PLAN RECOGNIZES THAT THERE IS SOME ENVIRONMENTAL LANDS THERE.

THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH EPC IF THEY WANTED TO DO ANY MITIGATION DELINEATION.

THIS IS ON THE COMP PLAN TO LET THE PROPERTY OWNER KNOW THERE IS A RED FLAG YOU NEED TO DO SOME FURTHER RESEARCH AND TALK TO EPC.

AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING APPLICATION RIGHT IN FRONT OF US, BUT IF THERE WERE SOMETHING GOING ON, EITHER THE PROPERTY DEVELOPER OR OWNER WOULD HAVE TO PRESERVE THAT AREA OR GO THROUGH A MITIGATION PLAN WITH EPC.

THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROCESS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT.

>>RAY YOUNG: AND FOLLOW-UP.

ALSO, PEDRO, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE FRONTAGE.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FRONTAGE ONLY OHIO?

I DON'T SEE FRONTAGE ON 301.

IS THAT CORRECT?

>>PEDRO PARRA: I AM TALKING ABOUT FRONTAGE ON 301.

THERE ARE FRONTAGE THAT ACCESSES PROPERTIES ON 301.

THE FRONTAGE OF THE SITE ITSELF IS TO 301, NOT ROADWAYS.

>>RAY YOUNG: OKAY.

MY OUTLINE -- SO THERE IS ACCESS ON 301 TO THAT PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE SHOWING US ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW?

>>PEDRO PARRA: RIGHT HERE.

>>RAY YOUNG: I AM NOT SEEING IT.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS THE PIECE IN THE FRONT ON 301.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: IS THIS THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER AS THE FRONTAGE ON 301?

THEN HE ALREADY HAS THAT ON THE FRONT PART OF THE PROPERTY.

>>RAY YOUNG: GOT YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

>>PEDRO PARRA: AGAIN, AGENCY COMMENTS HAVE COME IN, BUT THEY ARE NOT A PART OF YOUR PACKET.

THEY WILL BE PART OF YOUR PUBLIC HEARING RECOMMENDATION PACKET.

THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED, AND WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU ON MARCH 10.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, PEDRO.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS?

NO.

THANK YOU.

MS. MILLS.

>>YENEKA MILLS: GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

YENEKA MILLS, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

BEFORE YOU YOU HAVE CPA 14-05, CROSS CREEK BOULEVARD AND KINNAN STREET.

THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED PLAN AMENDMENT ON A 3.11-ACRE SITE WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER.

THE SITE IS WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA, AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO GO FROM RESIDENTIAL-4 FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION TO SUBURBAN MIXED-USE 6 CLASSIFICATION.

HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE SITE.

IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NORTHERN PORTION OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

THE SITE IS BORDERED ON -- BORDERED BY KINNAN STREET ON YOUR EASTERN SIDE AND CROSS-CREEK BOULEVARD TO THE SOUTH.

CURRENTLY THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY A PARK TO THE NORTH, MULTIFAMILY HERE TO THE EAST, A LIBRARY TO THE SOUTH, AS WELL AS HUNTER'S GREEN ELEMENTARY TO THE SOUTH AND BENITO MIDDLE SCHOOL TO THE SOUTH.

DIRECTLY TO YOUR WEST YOU HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY SUBDIVISION.

THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION IS RESIDENTIAL-4, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR UPPER LEFT-HAND CORNER HERE, AND THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS IN THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER, NOW SHADED IN PINK, TO SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE SITE AS AN AREA AS BEING SUBURBAN.

THE SITE IS WITHIN A WELL-ESTABLISHED SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH SERVES THE DAILY NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS.

TYPICAL USES WITHIN BOTH OF THESE LAND USE CLASSIFICATIONS ARE RESIDENTIAL, SUBURBAN-SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, AND OFFICE USES.

BUT THE PROPOSED SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6 WOULD ALLOW LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND RESEARCH CORPORATE PARK USES.

IF APPROVED, THE SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6 FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION, THE SITE WOULD BECOME MORE INTENSE, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO WOULD HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF INCREASING FROM .25 TO A .5 FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.

CURRENTLY THE RESIDENTIAL-4 ALLOWS .25 FLOOR AREA RATIO OR 175,000 SQUARE FEET FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, OFFICE, MULTIPURPOSE, AND MIXED-USE PROJECTS.

IF THE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION IS CHANGED TO SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6, IT WOULD ALLOW SUBURBAN-SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN AT 175,000 SQUARE FEET OR A .25 FLOOR AREA RATIO; HOWEVER, THE DIFFERENCE IS GOING TO BE THAT IT'S GOING TO NOW ALLOW OFFICE, RESEARCH CORPORATE PARK, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, MULTIPURPOSE USES, MIXED-USE PROJECTS AT A FLOOR AREA RATIO OF .35, SO THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE.

ADDITIONALLY, FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, IT HAS THE POSSIBILITY TO GO TO A .5 FLOOR AREA RATIO COULD BE CONSIDERED.

THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD ALSO POSSIBLY ALLOW AN INCREASE OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED FROM 12 TO 18 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.

THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL AGENCY COMMENTS, BUT NO OBJECTIONS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED TO DATE.

THERE IS NO STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME, AND NO ACTION IS REQUIRED ON YOUR PART.

I WILL BE BEFORE YOU AGAIN AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 10, 2014.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, MS. MILLS.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?

I'M SEEING NONE.

THANK YOU.

BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 5 ON OUR AGENDA, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES FROM MS. ZORNITTA.

>>MELISSA ZORNITTA: GOOD EVENING, I GUESS IT IS.

MELISSA ZORNITTA, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

WHERE DID IT GO?

THE L DRIVE DISAPPEARED.

THERE IT IS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

I JUST HAVE A SHORT UPDATE FOR YOU ALL ON WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON IN TERMS OF THE PLAN UPDATE.

WE'VE STARTED HAVING SOME FOCUS GROUPS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY.

WE'VE HAD ONE.

WE'VE ALSO -- HAVE ONE SCHEDULED WITH COMMUNITY INTERESTS THIS WEDNESDAY FROM 4 TO 6.

SO FAR WE'RE KEEPING THOSE SEPARATE TO HAVE SOME CANDID CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED.

AND RATHER THAN HAVING EXPLOSIVE MEETINGS, WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEM KIND OF CALM AND HAVE THEM SEPARATELY.

BUT WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD FEEDBACK SO FAR FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING.

WE ARE WORKING ON SEVERAL SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.

AS I LET YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT LAST MONTH, WE HAVE AN RFP THAT'S BEEN ISSUED FOR A CONSULTANT WORK TO HELP ON TOPICS THAT WOULD ADDRESS ALL FOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND HOW THEY HANDLE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT, LOCATIONAL CRITERIA FOR LOCATING COMMERCIAL USES IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AND DEVELOPMENT ALONG OUR -- SOME OF OUR MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.

SO THAT TACKLES A COUPLE OF THE USES, AND WE WERE HAPPY TO FIND THAT WHEN WE HAD OUR FOCUS GROUP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT THEY HAD IDENTIFIED AS NEEDING TO BE LOOKED AT IN THE PLAN.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT OTHERS BASED ON SOME OF THE INPUT, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL TOLD US AT YOUR WORKSHOP LAST MONTH, WE'RE NOW GETTING IN THERE AND RESEARCHING, AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS THAT COME UP THROUGH THE FOCUS GROUPS.

THE OTHER MAJOR SECTION OF CHANGES WE'RE CALLING RESULTS NEUTRAL CHANGES.

THEY'RE CHANGES TO THE PLAN THAT AREN'T REALLY CHANGING THE RESULT THAT WE WILL GET AT THE END IN TERMS OF POLICY DIRECTION, BUT THEY'RE UPDATING THE FORMAT, THEY'RE MAKING, PERHAPS, POLICY LANGUAGE MORE CLEAR AND CONCISE.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE DOING IN VARYING DEGREES FOR ALL FOUR OF THE PLANS.

SOME OF THE PLANS, PARTICULARLY THOSE OF THE THREE CITIES, HAVE HAD SOME EXTENSIVE LOOK AT THIS IN THE PAST.

THEY'VE HAD VERY ENGAGED JURISDICTIONAL STAFF IN THEIR LAST PLAN UPDATES WHO TOOK A HARD LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE PLAN THEY COULD DO IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAMS OR WERE THEY REALISTIC IN TERMS OF TIMEFRAMES OF THINGS OCCURRING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THIS TIME WE'RE REALLY PLEASED THAT WE HAVE A STRONG PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY TO DO THAT SAME SORT OF WORK.

THEY'VE CONTRACTED WITH GENE BOLES TO STAY ON TO HELP WITH THIS EFFORT, AS WELL AS DEDICATED SOME HIGH-LEVEL STAFF TO WORK ON THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND I THINK GOING TO GIVE US A MUCH STRONGER PLAN FOR THE COUNTY THAT IS CLEAR ABOUT REALLY WHAT IS REALISTIC TO BE DONE.

ONE OTHER COMPONENT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS -- AND I BELIEVE I PROVIDED THIS IN THE AGENDA ITEM -- IS RESTRUCTURING ALL OF THE PLANS TO HAVE THE SAME -- FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM -- TABLE OF CONTENTS.

SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW WHERE TO GO IN ALL FOUR PLANS FOR THE SAME TOPIC.

NOW, WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THAT TOPIC MAY BE DIFFERENT.

PLANT CITY'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME CONTENT AS THE CITY OF TAMPA, VERY DIFFERENT CONTEXTS, BUT WHERE YOU GO TO FIND OUT THEIR INFORMATION ABOUT DESIGN AND LAND USE WOULD BE IN THE SAME AREA OF THE PLAN.

WE HOPE THAT THIS WILL PROVIDE GREATER USABILITY TO FOLKS WHO DON'T USE THE PLAN ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS, SO BASICALLY ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T WORK HERE.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS STRUCTURING IT WITH A COMMON VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES.

CERTAINLY, EACH JURISDICTION WILL THEN HAVE THEIR OWN MORE DETAILED VISION, BUT BASED ON THE WORK OF IMAGINE 2040, WE THINK THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT TIE US TOGETHER AND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT THIS COUNTYWIDE AND SEE HOW WE ALL FIT INTO THE SAME FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY.

LIKEWISE, THE CITIES RIGHT NOW EACH HAVE VISION MAPS IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THAT ARE MORE CONCEPTUAL THAN A LAND USE MAP.

WE WANT TO BROADEN THAT AND DO THAT ON A COUNTYWIDE BASIS.

WE'VE FOUND THAT TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE WITH MANY OF THE JURISDICTIONS UNDERSTANDING SORT OF THE CONTEXT OF WHERE THEY ARE.

IT'S JUST EASIER TO UNDERSTAND THAN A RESIDENTIAL-4 LAND USE CATEGORY TO KNOW YOU ARE IN A STABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SOMETHING THAT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE NOT EXPECTING A LOT OF CHANGE, MAYBE THERE WILL BE SOME INFILL.

ALONG THESE CORRIDORS IS WHERE WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF CHANGE, INTENSIFICATION, OR IN THESE ECONOMIC ENGINES WE ARE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY.

IT USES MORE -- LESS PLANNERY TERMS.

WE WOULD LIKE IT TO.

YOU CAN HELP US WITH THAT WHEN YOU SEE IT TO SEE IF IT'S GOTTEN THERE OR NOT.

BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS AN OVERALL PIECE THAT WOULD BE COMMON TO ALL FOUR PLANS.

THEN THE PLANS WOULD LOOK AT PEOPLE, PLACES, AND SPACES, AND THAT'S SORT OF HOW WE'VE GROUPED EVERYTHING, AND AGAIN, EACH ONE WITH HAVE ITS OWN CONTENT, AND THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'D BE IN THE SAME BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

AND THEN AT THE END, THERE WOULD BE A GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION SECTION THAT WOULD KIND OF TAKE MANY OF THE THINGS THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IN OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION ELEMENT.

AGAIN, MANY OF THOSE PIECES PROBABLY WOULD BE COMMON TO ALL FOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS BECAUSE HOW WE WORK TOGETHER IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE IN COMMON OR SHARING.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE JURISDICTIONAL STAFF IS HOW MUCH OF, LIKE, THE GOVERNANCE SECTION WOULD BE IN COMMON BETWEEN ALL FOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

BUT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

WE ARE SHARING THIS WITH THE FOCUS GROUPS, TRYING TO GET SOME INPUT IN CASE ANYBODY HAS ANY HEARTBURN BEFORE WE START HEADING DOWN THE PATH OF REARRANGING THE PLAN INTO THIS ORGANIZATION.

WITH THAT, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO UPDATE THIS MONTH.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANKS, MELISSA.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS?

MR. GREEN.

>>THEODORE TRENT GREEN: I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH YOU.

THIS IS LOADED WITH ALL KINDS OF ACRONYMS THAT --

[LAUGHTER]

>>MELISSA ZORNITTA: YES, YES, IT IS.

WE'RE PLANNERS.

WE LIKE THAT.

[LAUGHTER]

>>THEODORE TRENT GREEN: JUST CLARIFICATION, THOUGH, BUT THANK YOU.

>>MELISSA ZORNITTA: SURE.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TRANSLATE IT.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GREEN.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

SEEING NONE, THANK YOU, MELISSA.

>>MELISSA ZORNITTA: THANK YOU.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THAT WILL BRING US TO ITEM NUMBER 6, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S REPORT FROM MR. CHIARAMONTE.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: YEAH, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF TIME NOW SINCE THE OTHER MEETING IS NOT TILL 7:30, SO I THINK WE'LL BE OKAY, AS LONG AS WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO EAT THE SANDWICHES WE'LL BE ALL RIGHT.

BEEN GOING TO A LOT OF MEETINGS, EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T BEEN FEELING THAT GOOD, AS YOU CAN TELL.

SOMEHOW I'VE GOT THIS BUG THAT WON'T GO AWAY.

ED TURANCHIK IS THE HEAD OF A TAMPA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TRANSPORTATION GROUP THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH ON THE UPDATE OF THE PLAN.

WE HAD INDIVIDUAL PRESENTATIONS TO THEM.

I REPRESENTED THE MPO AND PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I KNOW MIKE MERRILL SPOKE TO THEM ON THE COUNTY SEPARATELY.

THEY DID LIKE AN HOUR WITH EACH DIFFERENT GROUP TO KIND OF GET INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVES ON WHAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE SAW THE PROBLEMS.

I WAS NOT PRIVY TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAID.

THEY ALSO MET WITH FDOT AND I THINK JOE WAGGONER OF THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY.

SO THE CHAMBER IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE INVOLVED, I THINK, IN OUR PLANNING PROCESS THAN THEY'VE BEEN BEFORE.

STILL WORKING WITH MIKE MERRILL'S GROUP, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY ADMINISTRATOR'S WORKING GROUP.

JUST BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY, WE WENT WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM PLANT CITY, THE CITY MANAGERS OF PLANT CITY AND TEMPLE TERRACE, REPRESENTED THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND THE COUNTY, MIKE MERRILL, MYSELF, TO TALK TO THE EDITORIAL BOARD OF THE TRIBUNE.

THEY SEEMED IMPRESSED WITH HOW WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER, AND HOPEFULLY A GOOD EDITORIAL WILL COME OUT OF THAT.

WE ARE GOING TO MEET WITH THE TAMPA BAY TIMES TOMORROW AND ALSO SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT HOW WE'RE WORKING ON THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TRANSPORTATION ISSUE IN THE FUTURE.

SO THAT'S GOING WELL.

WE ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH EPC.

THEY WANT TO BE MORE INVOLVED IN OUR PLANNING PROCESS THAN THEY HAVE BEEN BEFORE AND MAKE SURE WE ARE COMPLEMENTING THE KIND OF THINGS THEY ARE DOING AT EPC, SO WE ARE GOING TO INVOLVE THEM IN OUR PLAN UPDATE TO A HIGHER LEVEL THAN WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

HAD A STATEWIDE MEETING OF THE MPOAC DISCUSSING STATEWIDE ISSUES, FDOT ISSUES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

TBARTA, I TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THEIR MEETINGS, MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

WE HAD A SUMMIT, AGAIN, WITH THE TAMPA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

THIS WAS A WIDER MEETING WITH THE CHAMBER, TALKING ABOUT THE MPO PLAN UPDATE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND ALSO LEADERSHIP TAMPA, IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ORGANIZATION, IT'S A YOUNG -- OR NOT SO YOUNG, REALLY -- PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION WHERE BUSINESS LEADERS LEARN ABOUT THE COMMUNITY OF TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

I PARTICIPATED IN THE GOVERNMENT DAY PROGRAM.

I'VE BEEN MEETING WITH INDIVIDUAL MPO BOARD MEMBERS, AND THAT'S REGARDING THE UPDATE OF OUR MPO PLAN, KEEPING THEM UP-TO-DATE.

HAD A REALLY GOOD CONFERENCE THAT MELISSA AND I ATTENDED IN ST. PETE, THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE TAMPA BAY 2014 TRENDS IN REAL ESTATE.

I ALWAYS TRY TO KEEP -- THEY HAVE THAT EVERY YEAR IN JANUARY, AND IT'S A GOOD CONFERENCE.

THEY KIND OF HAVE THE OUTLOOK AND THE EXCITING THING IS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FIVE YEARS, ACTUALLY, THE OUTLOOK WAS PRETTY OPTIMISTIC AND POSITIVE FROM THE HOME BUILDERS AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

THEY SEE AN UPTICK IN THINGS GOING ON.

HOUSES ARE SELLING BETTER, VALUES ARE GOING UP, SO IT WAS A SOMEWHAT RELIEF.

THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAVEN'T BEEN SO OPTIMISTIC, BUT CLEARLY, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A CHANGE TAKING PLACE FOR THE POSITIVE IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.

ACTUALLY, TAMPA BAY'S IN THE TOP TEN ON THE NUMBER OF THINGS NOW, PEOPLE MOVING HERE, EMPLOYMENT.

WE HAVE THE BIGGEST REDUCTION IN THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

JOB CREATION.

SO WE'RE DOING BETTER THAN WE HAVE BEEN, WHICH IS GOOD.

WE HAD OUR RETREAT, PLANNING COMMISSION RETREAT.

I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT.

WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW I MET WITH THE FACILITATORS TODAY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU'LL ALL GET A COPY OF, AND IT'S MY DREAM THAT YOU ADOPT THE NEW VISION AND MISSION OVER THE ONE WE HAVE BASED ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THAT MEETING, AND I SEE A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS COMING OUT OF THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE OUR STAFF -- WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, MEETINGS TOMORROW STARTING WITH STAFF TO GO OVER THE DIRECTION THAT WE LEARNED FROM THIS EXERCISE AND KIND OF MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT OUR MISSION AND VISION ARE AND WE'RE ALL WORKING TOWARD THAT GOAL TOGETHER.

SO THAT'S A BIG STEP AHEAD.

MET WITH CIVIL SERVICE REGARDING THE WHOLE ISSUE THAT'S GOING ON WITH THEM, AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY WANTED TO ASK US IS WHAT SERVICES WE WANTED, AND MY FEELING IS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY WELL WITH THEM, AND I SEE NO CHANGE IN THE SERVICES THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PROVIDE.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO CREATE A HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE WANT CIVIL SERVICE TO CONTINUE TO ASSIST US.

YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, BUT FOR TEN YEARS I'VE BEEN A JUDGE IN THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL'S REGIONAL AWARDS.

I DID THAT.

WE'VE GOT THAT DONE.

THAT EVENT THAT THEY HAVE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE OVER IN ST. PETERSBURG, OCCURS IN MARCH.

COMMISSIONER YOUNG AND SOME STAFF ATTENDED THE GOVERNOR'S LUNCHEON LAST WEEK, AND THAT WAS KIND OF OPTIMISTIC THINGS TOO, SO THINGS ARE LOOKING UP.

AND FINALLY, FRIDAY I PARTICIPATED IN THE TAMPA BAY TMA MEETING.

THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS THE TMA IS A NEW SUBCOMMITTEE CREATED OF THE MPO THAT INCLUDES THREE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS FROM HILLSBOROUGH, THREE COMMISSIONERS FROM PASCO, AND THREE COMMISSIONERS FROM PINELLAS COUNTY TO FOCUS ON THE URBAN TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.

BECAUSE OUR LARGER ORGANIZATION COVERS LIKE EIGHT COUNTIES, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THE THREE DENSE COUNTIES HAVE DIFFERENT ISSUES.

AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WE'RE GOING TO GO HAVE TO DO WITH THAT GROUP IS TO PRIORITIZE TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WHAT OUR MOST IMPORTANT TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS ARE.

SO A NUMBER OF THEM WERE DISCUSSED, AND THEY'RE BEGINNING TO FOCUS ON WHAT THOSE PROJECTS MIGHT BE FOR THE FUTURE THAT WE REALLY WANT TO GO TO THE LEGISLATURE AND SAY WE NEED TO DO THIS STUFF AND HAVE SOME RESOURCES TO ACCOMPLISH THESE THINGS.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT GROUP IS GOING TO BE WORKING ON.

WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF MELISSA HAS ANY CONTRACT INFORMATION IN MY REPORT.

>>MELISSA ZORNITTA: MELISSA ZORNITTA AGAIN.

IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, AS I SAID, WE HAVE ISSUED THE RFP FOR THE CONTRACT THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $75,000.

OUR DEADLINE FOR THOSE PROPOSALS TO COME IN IS, I BELIEVE, TOMORROW.

SO OUR HOPE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE -- THE SELECTION COMMITTEE WILL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO NARROW THOSE DOWN, HOLD THE INTERVIEWS, AND BRING YOU A RECOMMENDATION TO YOUR MARCH MEETING.

THE OTHER CONTRACTS THAT WAS SORT OF A TENTATIVE ONE ABOUT THE FORMAT OF THE PLAN, WE -- SOMETHING COMMISSIONER GREEN SAID AT THE LAST WORKSHOP GOT US THINKING ABOUT USING THE UNIVERSITY, AND SO WE'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH ELIZABETH STROM WITH THE -- I THINK SHE IS WITH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT NOW.

AND SHE'S TALKING TO US ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE SOME COMMUNICATION FOLKS FROM USF TO EXECUTE SOME OF THAT WORK.

SO JUST THOUGHT I'D UPDATE YOU WITH THAT.

AND WITH THAT, OUR TEAM TO BE INTRODUCED TODAY IS THAT HEADED BY SHAWN COLLEGE, SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO HIM.

>>SHAWN COLLEGE: THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M SHAWN COLLEGE.

I'VE BEEN WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW, AND I'M THE TEAM LEADER FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING AND RESEARCH TEAM.

SO I JUST WANT TO REAL QUICKLY TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR TEAM.

WE ARE ONE OF THE SMALLER TEAMS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THERE'S ONLY CURRENTLY THREE OF US.

THERE HAVE BEEN MORE IN THE PAST, BUT WITH THE RECESSION WE HAD, WE ARE DOWN TO THREE MEMBERS, ONE OF WHICH IS MYSELF.

AND WE COVER ALL FOUR JURISDICTIONS.

WE DON'T JUST DO ONE JURISDICTION.

WE DO ALL FOUR JURISDICTIONS, AND WE DO IT IN THREE DIVERSE AREAS.

WE DO IT IN ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING, HAZARD MITIGATION, HURRICANE RESPONSE, WE DO DEMOGRAPHICS, SOCIODEMOGRAPHICS, AND WE ALSO DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND UTILITIES.

AND HOW WE DIVIDE THAT UP, LET ME INTRODUCE ONE OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS, MR. WILL AUGUSTINE COULD NOT BE HERE, HE IS ILL, BUT WILL AUGUSTINE IS AN INTEGRAL MEMBER OF OUR TEAM, AND MR. AUGUSTINE -- I'M ALSO PROUD TO SAY THAT ALL THREE OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS ARE MASTER DEGREED PROFESSIONALS.

WE HAVE CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE, WHICH REALLY HELPS OUR TEAM WORK VERY WELL.

MR. AUGUSTINE, WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, HE DOES ALL OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENTS OF OUR -- OF THE FOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

FOR MANY OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR SOME TIME, YOU SEE HIM TOWARD THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

HE COMES AND DOES THE CONSISTENCY DETERMINATIONS OF THE CIP PROGRAMS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS, FOR THE FOUR JURISDICTIONS.

HE ALSO PROCESSES THE SCHEDULED PROJECT UPDATE PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENTS.

MR. AUGUSTINE ALSO, WORKING WITH OUR UTILITY ELEMENTS OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT BEING WATER, WASTEWATER, STORMWATER, SOLID WASTE, HE ALSO PROCESSES THE TEN-YEAR WATER SUPPLY WORK PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE TO DO PERIODICALLY.

AND MR. AUGUSTINE ALSO HAS WORKED IN OUR AIRPORT MASTER PLAN REVIEWS.

THE OTHER TEAM MEMBER I WANT TO INTRODUCE TO YOU TODAY IS TERRY EAGAN.

TERRY IS HERE TO MY LEFT.

MR. EAGAN IS A PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

MR. EAGAN IS OUR DEMOGRAPHIC GURU.

HE MANAGES OUR PLANNING LIBRARY, BUT HE ALSO DOES A GREAT DEAL OF WORK, HE DOES OUR POPULATION ESTIMATES THAT WE UTILIZE.

HE ALSO DOES OUR QUARTERLY REPORTS ON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.

HE DOES OUR DEMOGRAPHIC AND SOCIOECONOMIC RESEARCH.

THIS NOT ONLY IS USED INSIDE OF OUR AGENCY, BUT CONSIDERABLY OUTSIDE OUR AGENCY.

WE GET REQUESTS FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OF THE COUNTY AND CITIES AND OTHER -- AND EVEN PRIVATE INTERESTS, AND MR. EAGAN PROVIDES THEM WITH A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION.

MOST RECENTLY, WE ASSISTED IN THE ENTERPRISE ZONES THAT THE COUNTY WAS WORKING ON.

AND MR. EAGAN ALSO IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER ON OUR TAMPA REDISTRICTING PROJECT, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT AT 7:30.

SO WE'RE NOT KEEPING HIM LATE BY KEEPING HIM HERE.

HE HAS TO BE HERE ANYWAY.

AND MYSELF, AGAIN, SHAWN COLLEGE, THE TEAM LEADER FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING AND RESEARCH, I PRIMARILY WORK IN THE AREA OF ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING.

I ALSO HAVE A BACKGROUND IN ECONOMICS AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES.

AND SO I DEAL WITH THE CONSERVATION ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, AND I DEAL WITH THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENTS.

I DEAL WITH HURRICANE RESPONSE, HAZARD MITIGATION, AND HURRICANE EVACUATION AND SHELTER.

I ALSO COORDINATE THE MASTER PLAN REVIEWS THAT'S THE AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, REQUIRES ANY AUTHORITY'S MASTER PLAN TO BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION PRIOR TO APPROVAL.

SO PERIODICALLY WE GET AIRPORT MASTER PLANS OR PORT MASTER PLANS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND MIGHT BE COMING IN A YEAR OR TWO.

AND I COORDINATE THAT INTERDISCIPLINARY REVIEW BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT TEAMS HERE WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND I BELIEVE THAT ABOUT -- OH, I ALSO SERVE AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER INTERLOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, INTERLOCAL PLANNING BOARD.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE REALLY THREE AGENCIES HOUSED UNDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ITSELF, THE MPO, AND HILLSBOROUGH RIVER INTERLOCAL PLANNING BOARD, AND I WORK WITH THAT GROUP AS WELL.

SO IT KEEPS US BUSY.

JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE TIDBIT OF HOW WE WORK, AND I HOPE THAT HELPS.

THANK YOU.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANK YOU, MR. COLLEGE.

MR. GREEN?

>>THEODORE TRENT GREEN: THANK YOU, SHAWN.

GIVEN THE SCOPE OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES AND YOUR TEAM'S, I WOULD SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY SPREAD PRETTY THIN; AREN'T YOU?

>>SHAWN COLLEGE: IT'S A CHALLENGE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO MAKE -- WHEN THE RECESSION HIT, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, OUR TEAM GOT HIT PRETTY HARD.

WE ARE ABOUT HALF STAFFED OF WHERE WE WERE.

AND WE'VE HAD TO MAKE CHANGES.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE RIVER BOARD WAS ONCE STAFFED UPWARDS OF ALMOST 40 HOURS A WEEK, ALMOST ONE PERSON.

THAT'S CUT BACK NOW ABOUT IN HALF.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE TOLD THEM THAT, THAT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME CHANGES BASED ON THE ECONOMY.

BUT THEY'RE HAPPY.

THE AGENCY IS STILL GETTING DONE ITS MANDATE UNDER THE LAW.

MAYBE NOT AS PROACTIVE AND OUT THERE AS WE USED TO BE, BUT WE'RE GETTING IT DONE.

WE'VE HAD TO CONSOLIDATION.

SOME THINGS WE DON'T DO ANYMORE.

FOR A WHILE WE HAD A FISCAL ANALYSIS PROGRAM, AND WE -- IT REALLY WASN'T COMPLETELY MANDATED THAT IT HAD TO BE DONE.

IT WAS A GOOD THING.

IT HELPED MAKE SOME DECISIONS.

BUT WE HAD TO LET THAT GO BECAUSE WE JUST COULDN'T DO IT UNDER THE BUDGET WE HAD.

BUT WE'RE MANAGING.

I THINK WHAT WE DO WE DO PRETTY WELL.

AND WE'RE LUCKY, AS I SAID, IN THAT WE HAVE VERY STRONG STAFF WITH A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE AND GREAT DEAL OF EDUCATION AND WE'RE ABLE TO PULL IT OFF.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

>>RAY YOUNG: I JUST WANTED TO COMPLIMENT SHAWN.

I'VE SERVED A COUPLE OF CYCLES ON THE RIVER BOARD WITH HIM, AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN OCCASION THAT I CAN RECALL THAT A QUESTION HASN'T BEEN THROWN AT HIM FROM THE VARIOUS AGENCIES THAT HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIELD AND BAFFLE US WITH HIS BRILLIANCE.

SO IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE SERVING WITH YOU ON THAT, SHAWN, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR PROFESSIONALISM THERE.

>>SHAWN COLLEGE: THANK YOU.

>>RAY CHIARAMONTE: JUST TO KIND OF END WITH A LITTLE INTERESTING STORY, I MET SHAWN AT A CONFERENCE WHEN HE WAS STILL IN COLLEGE.

THIS WAS WAY BACK LIKE 20 YEARS AGO.

I REMEMBER WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION.

THEN MAYBE ABOUT FIVE YEARS LATER, WE HAD A JOB OPENING, AND THEN I SAW HIS NAME AND I SAID OH, MY GOD, THAT'S THAT GUY FROM FT. LAUDERDALE.

I TOLD BOB HUNTER, WE NEED TO HIRE THIS GUY WHO IS REALLY SMART.

ANYWAY, THAT'S HOW SHAWN CAME.

I HAVE KNOWN HIM SINCE LITERALLY HE WAS ALMOST A KID.

HE WAS A KID.

>>DEREK DOUGHTY: THANKS, SHAWN AND MR. EAGAN.

I AM SURE WE'LL SEE YOU A LITTLE BIT LATER TODAY.

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 7, OTHER BUSINESS.

THE FIRST ITEM IS CHAIR'S BUSINESS.

I WON'T BORE YOU TODAY.

IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS?

I SEE NO OLD BUSINESS.

IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS?

I SEE NO NEW BUSINESS.

IS THERE COMMITTEE REPORTS?

AND I SEE NO COMMITTEE REPORTS.

OKAY.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE -- WE ARE GOING TO REDO OUR PHOTOGRAPH AS OUR LIGHTING LAST TIME LEFT SOMETHING TO BE DESIRED, SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AND THEN GO INTO PUBLIC INFORMATION COMMITTEE MEETING AND COME BACK FOR A 7:30 PUBLIC HEARING, AND WITH THAT, WE'LL BE ADJOURNED.

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