Volusia County, Florida



STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE 3 MINUTES.

I WANT TO THANK -- A BIG THANK YOU GOES TO THE ROADS DIVISION FOR GETTING THAT OUT THERE FOR THE HORRIBLE LITTLE CAMPAIGN SIGNS AT THE INTERSECTION OF GLEN WOOD ROAD AND GRAND AVENUE. I'M TALKING BIG ONES WITH THE WOODEN BOTTOMS AND YOU GUYS CAN'T MOW. WE HAVE QUITE AN EXTENSIVE AREA TO MOW UP GRAND AVENUE. AND I WANT TO THANK YOUR DEPARTMENT FOR ACTING QUICKLY. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S LIKE AN AGGRESSIVE CANCER, BECAUSE TWO DAYS LATER THEY SEEM TO HAVE GROWN BACK. BUT YOUR DEPARTMENT ACTED ON IT QUICKLY. NUMBER TWO, I'M ON THE ANIMAL CONTROL BOARD WITH OTHERS, AND I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, JUST TO MAKE SURE. SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE GOT A LOOSE LEAF BINDER THAT SAID -- EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAD THAT ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS WOULD USE FOR THEIR WRITING OF THEIR REPORTS. WE GOT ONE EACH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THROUGH BECKY WILSON, AND I KEEP REQUESTING THEM BECAUSE MOST OF US GO OUT TO THE FESTIVALS OR IN PUBLIC, THEY'RE ALWAYS ASKING US QUESTIONS REGARDING ANIMAL LAW PERTAINING TO THEM. WHEN WE PULL OUT THESE BOOKS WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE THEM ACCURATE ANSWERS AND NOT, WELL, I'M NOT SURE, I'LL CALL THE DEPARTMENT, WHICH TAKES UP TIME FROM THEIR BUSY DAY. AGAIN, I'M REQUESTING IF WE CAN GET THESE BOOKS. THE COUNTY DOES NOT PRODUCE THE BOOKS. THEY WOULD USUALLY PURCHASE THEM AT A REASONABLE COST FROM THE ANIMAL CONTROL ASSOCIATION, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. IN AN ALL PERFECT WORLD, WE'RE TOLD AT THE MEETING FROM THE DIRECTOR, I THINK HE'S THE DIRECTOR SERGIO, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM. I'M THINKING SIX BOOKS, ONE BOOK EACH ONE OF US THAT ARE ALL OVER THE COUNTY IS A NECESSITY. WE HAVE ONE THAT'S ABOUT EIGHT YEARS OLD AND WE KNOW LAWS CHANGE AS IT GOES. IT CONTAINS THE STATE LAWS, COUNTY LAWS AND SOME ZONING LAWS THAT PERTAIN TO THE BUSINESS. I'M REQUESTING PLEASE, WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY, AND IF THEY CAN JUST GET TOLD, PLEASE GIVE US THE BOOKS IT HELPS GIVE OUT GOOD INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY AND ACCURATE. WHEN YOU ASK US TO DO SOMETHING, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO ONLINE. MY COMPUTER GOT ZAPPED FROM THE LIGHTNING. ALL I KNOW IS IF WE HAVE IT IN OUR HANDS, IT CAN BE AT FESTIVALS PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT THEM. THE OTHER IS THE RABIES TAG INFORMATION. WHEN YOU SEE THE PHOTOS ON CRAIGSLIST, ANIMAL CONTROL, THEY DON'T HAVE COUNTY TAGS, THEY HAVE RABIES TAG. THEY'RE DETERMINED THE COLOR AND SHAPE BY THE STATE. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT, IF THE VETS HAND IN THEIR INFORMATION, AS USUALLY REQUIRED, WE HAD A THING SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IT'S A REQUIREMENT, YOU CAN LOOK IT UP ON THEIR DATABASE, BECAUSE NOBODY ANSWERS THE PHONE AFTER HOURS. THE DOG OR CAT WOULD BE SITTING THERE AND POSSIBLY BE PUT DOWN THREE DAYS LATER. SO. YOU GOT TO GET THAT LISTED.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I GUESS WE'LL HAVE -- I GOT YOUR FILE, SO I'LL KEEP YOU UP INVOLVED AND UP-TO-DATE ON THAT INFORMATION. MS.ZIMMERMAN, ANY FURTHER PUBLIC DISCUSSION?

NO, SIR.

VERY WELL, WE'LL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 9:00 A.M.

GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? WE HAVE TWO MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING BEGINS. AT THIS TIME, IF EVERYONE WOULD TAKE YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES, TURN THEM TO MUTE, QUIET, OFF, WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO SO WE DON'T DISTURB THE MEETING. IF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD JOIN ME IN CHAMBERS WE'LL BEGIN OUR MEETING IN APPROXIMATELY TWO MINUTES.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I HAVE GAVE YOU A TWO-MINUTE WARNING, I'M GOING TO EXTEND THAT TO FIVE MINUTES SO WE CAN HAVE ALL OUR MEMBERS PRESENT TODAY. YOU HAVE UNTIL ABOUT FIVE AFTER. THANK YOU.

LET'S -- HE IS PRESENT, JUST GETTING A DRINK. GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. CALL TO ORDER. VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL. IT'S AUGUST 7, 2014. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?

YES, SIR. MR.PATTERSON?

HE IS IN THE --

YES. MR.WAGNER? MRS.CUSACK? MR.DANIELS?

MR. DANIELS IS ABSENT TODAY.

OKAY, THANK YOU. MS.DENISE.

HERE.

MS. NORTHEY.

HERE.

MR. DAVIS.

PRESENT.

A UNANIMOUS VOTE IS 6-0.

FOR THE RECORD, MR. DANIELS IS OFF DOING COUNTY BUSINESS TODAY.

THANK YOU.

I THINK HE'S IN D.C. OR SOMEWHERE. IT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. I GOT A SHORT NOTICE HE WAS OFF DOING SOMETHING FOR THE COUNTY TODAY. IT'S ALL I GOT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE IS EXACTLY.

WE'LL FIND OUT LATER. I JUST GOT AN E-MAIL. IT SAID HE WAS GOING TO BE OUT OF -- OUT DOING COUNTY BUSINESS SOMEWHERE. THAT'S WHAT I GOT, SO. I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT IT IS. ANYWAYS, WE'LL TRY TO GO FORWARD HERE. TODAY'S INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE -- MA'AM? SIR? OH, HE'S ON VACATION. OH, OKAY.

COOL.

I'M WITH YOU. WE KNOW.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. I JUST GOT THIS E-MAIL THAT SAID HE'S OUT DOING BUSINESS FOR THE COUNTY, SO THAT'S -- AND I GOT THAT TWO AND A HALF WEEKS AGO. MIGHT BE THE BUSINESS. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD NOW. GOOD. INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THIS MORNING, REVEREND MORRIS SEKIYO, WHEN THE SENSEI VOLUSIA BUDDHIST FELLOWSHIP OF DE LAND.

I INVITE YOU TO LOOK INTO YOUR HEART FOR A MOMENT, INVOKING RESPECTFUL AWARENESS OF OUR SPIRITUAL TEACHERS, WITH OUR MINDS SET ON PEACE, WE OFFER OUR SERVICE ON THIS DAY. AS WE GO FORWARD, WE MAY KEEP IN MIND A FAMOUS BUDDHIST STORY ABOUT A MONK ASKED BY A MAN, EXPLAIN IN BRIEF YOUR SPIRITUAL PATH. JUST THIS, ANSWERED THE MONK, DO GOOD, AVOID EVIL, LIBERATE YOUR MIND. THAT IS SIMPLE, THE MAN SAID, EVEN A CHILD CAN UNDERSTAND IT. YES, SAID THE MONK, AND SO DIFFICULT, EVEN AN OLD MONK LIKE ME HAS TROUBLE DOING IT. OUR OWN PATHS MAY AT TIMES BE DIFFICULT, BUT LET US BE RESOLVED ON THIS MINDFULNESS. MAY OUR EFFORTS TODAY BRING LIGHTS TO OUR HEARTS, COMMUNITY AND OUR WORLD. OUR CHOICES MAY BE UNCLEAR, BUT LET US BE CLEAR ON OUR INTENTIONS WITH OURSELVES AND OTHERS. MAY WE SET ASIDE OUR EGOS TO FEEL GOOD FOR THE GREATER NEED TO DO GOOD. MAY WE AVOID DOING HARM,

BY BEING GUIDED BY COME PASSION. WE SURROUND ALL PEOPLE AND ALL FORMS OF LIFE WITH LOVING KINDNESS, WITH THE INFINITE LIGHT OF WISDOM AND COMPASSION SHINING WITHIN US. LET US RECOGNIZE EACH MOMENT AS SACRED. MAY WE MOVE TO THE ENLIGHTENED WAY TOGETHER. WE PUT OUR HANDS TOGETHER IN FRONT OF OUR HEARTS AND YOU MAY DO THIS IF YOU LIKE. THANK YOU. MAY IT BE SO.

JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [ RECITING PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. EVERYONE PLEASE BE SEATED. I'M GETTING THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, AS WE MOVE FORWARD THIS MORNING, PULLING CONSENT ITEMS. WE SHALL START OFF WITH MR. PATTERSON.

I HAVE NONE.

MR. WAGNER? HE STEPPED OUT? I'M COME BACK TO HIM. MRS.CUSACK.

I HAVE NONE.

MR. DANIELS IS NOT PRESENT. CONSENT ITEM? A NEGATIVE. MS.DENISE.

NOTHING.

MS. NORTHEY.

NONE.

NONE FOR ME. WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOVE TO CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE?

All: EYE.

SO CARRIED. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 19, 2014, COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING, AND JUNE 26, 2014 COUNTY COUNCIL WATER QUALITY WORKSHOP. IS THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS, NOTATIONS?

MOVE APPROVAL.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL. SECOND FROM MS. NORTHEY?

YES.

OKAY. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

All: AYE.

SO CARRIED. BOTH VOTES UNANIMOUS. 6-0. PRESENTATION FROM MR. RICK KARL. PRESENTATION ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DATA FOR THE SECOND QUARTER 2014. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF COUNTY COUNCIL. ROB EHRHARDT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, HERE WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UPDATE FOR THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2014. ON THE FIRST SLIDE WE PROVIDED YOU A HISTORICAL VIEW OF THE NUMBER EMPLOYED IN VOLUSIA COUNTY 2010 TO 2014. A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS. FIRST OF ALL, IN JANUARY OF 2010, THAT WAS THE LOW NUMBER DURING THE COUNTY FOLLOWING THE GREAT RECESSION. SECONDLY, IT SHOWS THE SEASONALITY IN OUR WORKFORCE, AS DISPLAYED BY THE LAST DATA ON THE LINE GRAPH. EACH JANUARY WE HAVE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYED HIGHER THAN THE PRIOR YEAR, AND IT'S A POSITIVE TREND AND POSITIVE OVERALL. CLOSER AT JANUARY TO JANUARY COMPARISONS, JANUARY 2013 TO JANUARY 2010, INCREASE OF OVER 7%. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT. ALMOST 16,000 PEOPLE. THAT NUMBER BY ITSELF IS COMPELLING. IF IT WERE TO MULTIPLY THAT TIMES AN ASSUMPTION OF AN AVERAGE WAGE, WOULD BE THAT, AN ASSUMPTION. LET'S USE $20,000 TO MAKE IT SIMPLE. THAT'S $320 MILLION OF WAGES THAT EXIST IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT DID NOT EXIST FOUR YEARS AGO. OBVIOUSLY IT DRIVES HOME THE POINT THAT THE ECONOMY CONTINUES TO IMPROVE, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYED IS GOING UP, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK AT IT. LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE SECOND QUARTER, WE HAVE THE TRADITIONAL SLIDE THAT SHOWS UNEMPLOYMENT RATE ON THE AVERAGE FOR THE QUARTER IS 5.9%. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPH JUST BELOW THAT, IT SHOWS THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THE QUARTERLY AVERAGE HAS BEEN BELOW 6% SINCE THE MIDDLE OF 2008. LOOKING FURTHER AT THE NUMBER IN THE LABOR FORCE, ALMOST 256,000, AND THAT'S UP 1.3% FROM A YEAR AGO. THE NUMBER OF UNEMPLOYED STILL STUBBORNLY ABOVE 15,000. BUT GOOD NEWS, IT'S DOWN ALMOST 17% FROM A YEAR AGO. SHIFTING OVER TO CES DATA AND LOOKING AT EMPLOYMENT TRENDS BY MAJOR INDUSTRY. EDUCATION AND HEALTH SERVICE LEADS THE PACK IN THIS QUARTER. HIGHLIGHTS, PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES INCREASE OF ALMOST 2,000, COMPARED TO THE SAME TIME PERIOD A YEAR AGO, AS WELL AS IN MANUFACTURING AND CONSTRUCTION. EACH OF THOSE INDUSTRIES HAVE AN INCREASE OF OVER 650. FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE BOOKLETS WE PRINTED, THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE COLOR FOR WHOLESALE TRADE. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DECREASE OF OVER 300. IT'S SHOWN PROPERLY HERE ON THIS SLIDE, BUT IT'S COLOR CODED GREEN IN THE BOOKLET, INDICATING AN INCREASE. AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, THAT SHOULD BE RED. HERE WE HAVE THE TWO TRADITIONAL SLIDES SHOWING LABOR FORCE FOR EACH OF THE CITIES THAT HAVE POPULATIONS OVER 25,000. DAYTONA BEACH, DE LAND, ON THE BEECH IN PORT ORANGE. RESIDENTIAL PERMIT DATA, SECOND QUARTER IS DOWN COMPARED TO FIRST QUARTER OF 2014. IT'S ALSO DOWN AS COMPARED TO THE SAME QUARTER A YEAR AGO. HOWEVER, IF YOU TAKE FIRST AND SEC QUARTER OF 2014 AND COMBINE THOSE AND COMPARE IT TO THE FIRST AND SECOND QUARTER OF 2013, IT'S A GOOD STORY, BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE UP 8%. MORE TO THE POINT, THE TOTAL DOLLAR VALUE IS UP 13%. I ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT OUT IF YOU DO A DIVISION PROBLEM OF THE TOTAL DOLLAR OF THE PERMITS DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF PERMITS TO COME UP WITH AN AVERAGE DOLLAR PER PERMIT FOR THE QUARTER, THAT NUMBER IS UP 6% COMPARED TO THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. SO LOOKING AT THE DATA BY CITY, ONCE AGAIN THE CITY OF DE LAND LEADS THE WAY WITH 105 PERMITS AT OVER $37 MILLION. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT CONTINUES TO OCCUR AND IMPROVE IN THE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION MARKET GOING FORWARD. COMMERCIAL PERMIT DATA DOWN. NOT EVERY DAY WE GET A SINGLE PERMIT ON A PROJECT THAT'S OVER $150 MILLION, THAT DRIVES THE BAR LITERALLY OFF THE CHART LIKE IT DID IN THE FIRST QUARTER. BUT TO BE FAIR, TO COMPARE IT, STILL DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE SECOND QUARTER COMPARED TO FIRST QUARTER. I WOULD DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2012, FOURTH QUARTER WAS DOWN COMPARED TO THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2012, AND IT WAS DOWN COMPARED TO THE SAME QUARTER THE YEAR PRIOR. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN THE FOLLOWING THREE QUARTERS. PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN COMMERCIAL PERMIT ACTIVITY. SO JUST A REMINDER THAT WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PROJECTS THAT HAVE -- THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED OR BEEN ANNOUNCED, BUT NOT YET PERMITTED. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE ONE DAYTONA PROJECT. TWO HOTELS THAT ARE CONCEIVEBLY OVER $100 MILLION. WE HAVE SOME LOCAL EMPLOYERS THAT ARE LOOKING TO BUILD NEW HEADQUARTERS FACILITIES. AGAIN, THERE'S REASON TO BE OPTIMISTIC GOING FORWARD IN 2014 THAT WE'LL SEE CONTINUED ACTIVITY THERE. SO THIS SLIDE JUST POINTS OUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE DATA. MOVING ON TO FORECLOSURES, AND COMING IN TO THE FINISH LINE, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIALAL FORECLOSURES, WE SEE THE SAME SIMILAR TREND FOR HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES, NEW FILINGS IN THAT CATEGORY CONTINUE TO DECLINE, AND THAT'S POSITIVE. YOU'LL NOTICE FOR NONHOMESTEADED PROPERTIES THERE'S BEEN A CONSISTENT INCREASE, NOT SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH, BUT STILL AN INCREASE. SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE SALE OF FORECLOSED PROPERTIES DECLINED SLIGHTLY. TO PUT THAT INTO CONTEXT, I HAVE A QUOTE HERE FROM DARRIN BLOOMQUIST, VICE PRESIDENT OF REALTY TRACK, THEY SPECIALIZE IN REAL ESTATE DATA. FORECLOSURE ACTIVITY IS DROPPING TO LEVELS NOT SEEN SINCE BEFORE THE HOUSING PRICE BUBBLE BURST IN AUGUST OF 2006. HE GOES ON TO SAY THE FORECLOSURE PROBLEM IS "NO LONGER A WIDESPREAD CONTAGION THREATENING TO DERAIL THE HOUSING MARKET'S RETURN TO FULL HEALTH." I HAPPEN TO LIKE THAT ANALOGY. I THINK IT'S VERY POWERFUL IN HELPING US UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE WITH FORECLOSURES. FOR THOSE THAT PREFER DATA POINTS, A REPORT CAME OUT 10 DAYS AGO THAT SHOWS FORECLOSURE INVENTORY NOW MAKES UP ONLY 1.7% OF U.S. HOMES WITH A MORTGAGE NATIONWIDE. THAT'S DOWN FROM 2.5% COMPARED TO A YEAR AGO. THESE ARE JUNE 2014 AND 2013 NUMBERS. CLOSER TO HOME IN FLORIDA, FORECLOSURE INVENTORY NOW MAKES UP 5% OF HOMES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAVE A MORTGAGE, THAT'S DOWN FROM 8.5%. WE'VE SEARCHED AND NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND THAT SAME METRIC FOR THE COUNTY. WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN'T PUT OUR FINGER ON THAT NUMBER. LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO SHARE A SLIDE WE SHOW FROM TIME TO TIME, AND IT'S UNEMPLOYMENT RATE AND EARNINGS BY EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A FEW HIGHLIGHTS, SO WE HAVE A BAR GRAPH TO THE LEFT THAT SHOWS UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN 2013 BY PERCENT, AND SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA COMPARED TO AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE, JUST TWO MORE YEARS OF FORMAL SCHOOLING, YOU CAN SEE IN 2013 THE AVERAGE INCREASE, OR DECREASE I SHOULD SAY WITH THOSE WITH AN AA DEGREE IS TWO FULL PERCENTAGE POINTS BELOW THOSE WITH A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA. SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY COMPELLING AS PEOPLE CONSIDER WHAT THEIR NEXT STEP IS, YOUNG STUDENTS CONSIDER THEIR NEXT STEP GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL. MORE TO THE POINT, ON THE WAGE SIDE, IF YOU COMPARE AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE TO A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, AND THIS IS NATIONAL DATA, BY THE WAY, THIS IS NOT LOCAL DATA, THERE'S A $17,000 INCREASE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FOUR-YEAR BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND A TWO-YEAR ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE. CERTAINLY OVER A 30-TO 40-YEAR LIFE SPAN, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. EVEN IF SOMEONE IS IN THEIR LATE 20s, 30s, EVEN GOING INTO THEIR 40s AND GRADUALLY WORKING TOWARD THAT FOUR-YEAR BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND AT SOME POINT MIGHT SAY WHY AM I DOING THERE? I THINK THE NUMBERS AND THIS INFORMATION IS PRETTY COMPELLING. TO FINISH ON THAT TOPIC, I'VE GOT A COPY OF A FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK REPORT THAT HAS AN ANALYSIS OF RETURN TO COLLEGE SINCE THE 1970s. IT'S BEEN POSTURED THAT STUDENTS HAVE BEEN PAYING MORE TO ATTEND COLLEGE AND EARNING LESS UPON GRADUATION THAT THESE ARE TRENDS THAT HAVE LET MANY TO QUESTION WHETHER A COLLEGE EDUCATION REMAINS A GOOD INVESTMENT OR NOT. THIS REPORT BASICALLY CONCLUDES THAT THE BENEFITS OF BOTH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE STILL TEND TO OUTWEIGH THE COSTS WITH BOTH DEGREES EARNING RETURN OF ABOUT 15% OVER THE PAST DECADE. SO I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT ANY INVESTMENT THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT WOULD EARN US 15% RETURN OVER A DECADE'S PERIOD OF TIME IS A VERY GOOD INVESTMENT INDEED. I HOPE THAT SOME FOLKS FIND THAT ENCOURAGING. THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

THANK YOU, SIR. MRS.NORTHEY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WAS NOT ABLE TO WRITE IT DOWN QUICKLY. WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER YOU SAID WAS THE INCREASED WAGE VALUE, DOLLAR VALUE OF INCREASED WAGES EARLY ON IN YOUR REPORT? PAYROLL, I THINK IT WAS.

OH, ON THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYED SLIDE? SO WE HAVE 234,211 EMPLOYED IN --

RIGHT, AND YOU SAID WHAT --

IF WE ASSUME THAT THE AVERAGE WAGE, ANNUAL AVERAGE WAGE FOR THOSE IS SAY $20,000, JUST, IT IS AN ASSUMPTION, BUT THAT'S A NICE ROUND NUMBER, THAT'S $320 MILLION IN NEW WAGES THAT DIDN'T EXIST FOUR YEARS AGO.

OKAY. I'M WRITING IT DOWN. JUST A MINUTE. OKAY. COULD WE TAKE ABOUT THAT EDUCATION PIECE A LITTLE BIT?

YES.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEW WAGES AND NEW JOBS, ARE WE LOOKING AT WHAT KINDS OF WAGES AND JOBS THEY ARE IN COMPARISON? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THAT, THAT A LOT OF GRADUATES ARE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING JOBS, FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE OR MASTERS GETTING JOBS COMMISSION RAT WITH WHAT YOU WOULD THINK WITH HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE. WE'VE ADDED A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF, $320 MILLION IN WAGES. [ CHANGING CAPTIONERS ]

[ CHANGE IN CAPTIONER ] YOUR QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THE JOBS TODAY. AND WHAT IS THE JOB MARKET GOING TO LOOK LIKE TWO YEARS, FOUR YEARS, TEN YEARS FROM NOW.

YOU ALSO COMMENTED ABOUT THE LAND. THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST GROWTH?

THEY HAD THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL PERMITS IN THE SECOND QUARTER. THAT'S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT. LET'S LOOK BACK TO THAT. THEY'VE BEEN CONSISTENTLY NUMBER ONE FOR I WANT TO SAY AT LEAST THREE TO FOUR QUARTERS IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PERMITS AND THE DOLLAR VALUES.

OKAY.

SO SEVEN OF YOUR REPORTS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

YES.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MS NORTHEY. MS DENYS?

YES. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD NEWS. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD NEWS GOING ON IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. AND THE QUARTERLY THAT YOU GAVE US, WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD PUBLICATION WITH A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. THIS WILL BE, I GO TO ONLINE AND I KNOW IT'S NOT THERE, IT IS WAITING FOR YOU TO OFFICIALLY PRESENT TO US BEFORE YOU PUSH THE LAUNCH BUTTON IF YOU WILL.

THAT IS EXACTLY IT.

IS THAT IT? SO IT WILL BE UP ONLINE?

THE OBJECTIVE IS TO HAVE IT POSTED ONLINE BY NOON TODAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT FOR A SPECIAL PURPOSE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TWISTING AND TURNING OF WORDS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. SO I WANT TO DEFINITELY HIGHLIGHT BOSTON WHALER IN WHAT OUR INCENTIVE PLANS FROM VOLUSIA COUNTY HAS DONE IN PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF EDGEWATER. I THINK THAT'S PHENOMENAL AND IT IS THE HIGHER QUALITY, THE HIGHER PAYING JOBS IN BOSTON WHALER AS I TOURED THAT WITH YOU. CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON? I KNOW WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGER FROM THE CITY OF EDGEWATER HERE. AND THIS IS WORTH HIGHLIGHTING THE PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION WITH INCENTIVES BETWEEN OUR PARTNER CITIES IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. CAN YOU JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT A LITTLE BIT?

YES. THE FOLKS AT BOSTON WHALER ENGAGED US SEVERAL MONTHS AGO ALONG WITH THE CITY. IN THE CONVERSATION AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GREAT INTERNATIONAL BRAND.

WE DO.

AS THE ECONOMY COMES BACK THEY REALIZE THAT THEIR PRODUCT IS IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THEIR CURRENT PRODUCT, THIS IS A COMPANY INVESTING IN NEW DESIGNS AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE CONSUMERS NEEDS. SO LONG STORY SHORT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN EXPANDING THE MANUFACTURING CAPABILITY OF THEIR FACILITY TO ACCOMMODATE INCREASE WATER ACTIVITY AND REVENUE FOR EXISTING BRANDS, BUT ALSO TO BRING IN NEW MANUFACTURING CAPABILITIES FOR SOME OF THE LARGER MODELS THAT THEY WANT TO PUT IN TO THAT FACILITY. SO THEY ARE PART OF A LARGER ORGANIZATION THE BRUNSWICK GROUP. ON A CORPORATE LEVEL THAT OPPORTUNITY WAS CONSIDERED. IN THE END THE ANSWER WAS THEY NEED AND THEY WANT TO DO IT RIGHT IN THE EDGEWATER UNINCORPORATED AREA BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEIR TEAM IS, THEY HAVE GREAT EXPERTISE UNDER HUGH BOWERS THE PRESIDENT. REBECCA CRUZ IS ONE OF THEIR LEADER OFFICERS DOWN THERE. SO THE ACTUAL UNINCORPORATED PERMIT, COMMERCIAL PERMIT NUMBERS TODAY INCLUDE $588,000 PERMIT FOR A NEW BUILDING AT BOSTON WHALER. AND WE ARE JUST WAITING TO HEAR WHEN THEY WILL BE READY TO COMPLETE THAT AND HOLD SOME KIND OF A GRAND OPENING. SO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT JOB CREATION, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE JOBS WERE SOMEWHERE NORTH OF 40 NEW JOBS. AGAIN THE WAGES THAT WERE ABOVE CERTAINLY OUR AVERAGE HERE. IF I RECALL IT WAS IN THE $40,000 TO $41,000 RANGE.

INDEED. AND IT'S AN INTERNATIONAL VENTURE. THIS IS SO BIG. IN FACT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY BOSTON WHALER THE SIGN IS OUT NOW HIRING. AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE CITY OF EDGEWATER AND COLLABORATION WITH THE QTI THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM WITH VOLUSIA COUNTY. THIS IS HUGE AND WE'RE CELEBRATING AND I INTEND TO SPREAD THE GOOD NEWS OF JOB CREATION IN SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA. AND THANK YOU SO THE CITY OF EDGEWATER AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MS DENYS. ANY FURTHER COMMENT, DISCUSSION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ROB. APPRECIATE IT. MS CUSACK WILL BE THERE TOMORROW MORNING IN MY STAT.

BY THE WAY OUR GUEST SPEAKER TOMORROW WILL BE JIM JUDGE FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A TIMELY PART OF THE COUNTY HERE FOR US TO BE CONSIDERING THE TOPIC OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. BUT IN PARTICULAR AS IT RELATES TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, HE'S GOT OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF EXPERTISE, BUT HE'S GOING TO BRING TO LIGHT SOME POWERFUL TOOLS AVAILABLE TO OUR BUSINESS OWNERS SO THAT THEY CAN DO AN ASSESSMENT AND CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO HAVE A PLAN GOING IN TO SOME TYPE OF AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TYPE SITUATION. DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A HURRICANE, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR A GOOD TURN OUT TOMORROW. I KNOW HE'S EXCITED ABOUT MAKING THAT PRESENTATION.

YEAH, CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT? YOU'RE BRINGING HIM BEFORE THE GROUP FOR THE QUARTERLY MEETING?

YES.

HOW CLOSELY DO YOU WORK WITH OUR, WITH THAT DEPARTMENT IN PROMOTING SAFE BUSINESS PRACTICES DURING THE HURRICANE SEASON? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE GO OUT WITH THE CHAMBERS JOINTLY OR TO THE DIFFERENT BUSINESS GROUPS THAT ARE OUT THERE TO SUGGEST THEY MIGHT WANT TO HEAR THIS? BECAUSE IT'S A REAL STORY THAT NEEDS TO BE TOLD WHEN YOU'RE IN FLORIDA.

I AGREE. THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY STAFF EFF-18 IN THE EFC AND THAT INITIATIVE IS LEAD BY THE DELAND REGIONAL CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE AS YOU WILL HEAR MR. JUDGE TOMORROW SPEAK TO A SPECIFIC MEETING SEPTEMBER 18, I THINK. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. BUT HE IS GOING TO HOST IN CONCERT WITH NANCY KIEFER AND OTHER CHAMBERS OF LINES TO DRIVE THAT MESSAGE OUT.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS NORTHEY. ALL RIGHT, RICK KARL, YOU'RE UP. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE DAYTONA INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY APPLICATION TO THE FLORIDA SPORTS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. MR. KARL YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. RICK KARL, ECONOMIC RESOURCES. WE'RE HERE WITH A PROPOSED RESOLUTION FOR YOUR APPROVAL IN SUPPORT OF THE DAYTONA INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY. THIS IS PROMPTED BY THE LEGISLATION THAT HAS COME THROUGH THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE, WHICH ALLOWS THE SPEEDWAY TO HAVE THE TAX REBATES OF UP TO 30 YEARS. THIS HAS NO IMPACT ON THE FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THE COUNTY AND THE CITY ON DAYTONA BEACH THAT HAS APPROVED A SIMILAR RESOLUTION LAST NIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. KARL. ONE, I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE SPEEDWAY AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE REAL WAY THAT YOU SHOULD SUPPORT IT THAT IT SHOULD BE BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. THAT IT IS IN THE COUNTY AND IT IS ON OUR PROPERTY. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL WAS THAT THIS WAS THE COMMITMENT THAT THE SPEEDWAY MADE WAS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE INCENTIVE PACKAGE THAT WE DID WITH DAYTONA BEACH FOR ONE DAYTONA. I ASKED THEM TO MAKE SURE AS WE GOT IT IN WRITING THAT THIS LEGISLATION WOULD NOT HAVE AN EFFECT ON US SO THAT WE WOULD BE DOUBLE DIPPING. THEY CLARIFIED THAT IT WOULDN'T. WE VERIFIED THAT. SO THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE DID THAT COMMITMENT THAT THIS WAS A DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY COMING FROM THE STATE. AND AS RICK SAID THE STATE HAS REQUIRED US, THE LOCAL COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT IT SO THAT THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR APPLICATION. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY IN KEEPING WITH WHAT THEY PROMISED US IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY PUSH FOR THIS REQUEST FROM THE STATE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON US. AND IT DOESN'T AND I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY IN THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH WAS WILLING AS PARTNERS TO ENDORSE IT LAST NIGHT.

AND MR. CHAIR, SPECIAL THANKS TO COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND MICHAEL MOORE WHO DRAFTED THIS. WE HAVE MR. CROTTY FROM THE SPEEDWAY SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

MOVE APPROVAL. I THINK WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ALL RIGHT, MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON. MS DENYS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

NO, I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. BUT BE CLEAR THIS IS A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTED. THANK YOU.

MR. WAGNER.

YES, I SUPPORT IT AS WELL. BUT NOT A PART OF THE MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER WRITING OR DRAFTING A LETTER THAT WOULD GO TO EVERYONE IN THE STATE HOUSE IN TALLAHASSEE THE INVOLVEMENT IN ACTUALLY PASSING THIS ITEM, GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A LOCAL DECISION TO SUPPORT A BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE. OFTEN WE CRITICIZE THEM, IT IS VERY OFTEN WE CRITICIZE. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IN A BLUE MOON I GET A THANK YOU E-MAIL AND I DON'T GET A LOT OF THEM. ALSO IF WE COULD SEND A LETTER TO EVERYONE THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEND IT TO THOSE THAT VOTED AGAINST IT. BUT THE ONES THAT VOTED FOR IT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH THE STAMPS BECAUSE THESE TYPE OF OPPORTUNITIES DON'T COME OFTEN AS WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A GREAT BUSINESS AND CITIZENS THAT SUPPORT IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I WANT TO SUPPORT THOSE THAT SUPPORT US. SO I THINK A SIMPLE LETTER WOULD BE GREAT AND IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY.

YES, THAT'S FINE.

GOOD IDEA.

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A PART OF THE MOTION, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IF YOU WANT TO AMEND IT.

WE HAVE A MOMENT TO AMEND. DOES THE SECOND AGREE? SECOND AGREES. VERY WELL. MR. PATTERSON YOU GET THE FLOOR NOW.

NO, I THINK THAT I WOULD BE JUST PILING ON AT THIS POINT, SO WE WILL MOVE IT.

NO MORE PILING ON. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING OF THE RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT DAYTONA INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY WITH THE LETTER TO THE PEOPLE, TO THE LEGISLATURES THAT VOTED FOR IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO CARRY UNANIMOUS 6-0.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

BY THE WAY IT TAKES EFFECT. AS SOON AS I GET A LETTER I'LL SIGN IT.

I THANK EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.

ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 4. THIS IS THE AWARD OF CONTRACT AND CHANGE ORDER NO. 1 FOR THE EAST CENTRAL RAIL TRAIL IN EDGEWATER, COW CREEK TO DALE STREET AND A BUNCH OF NUMBERS THERE. MR. VICE MAYOR, HOW ARE YOU TODAY, SIR? IDENTIFY YOURSELF, YOUR POSITION.

MORNING COUNCIL, I'M THE VICE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER. FORGIVE ME A MOMENT, I'M ALMOST BLIND WITHOUT MY GLASSES.

SO ARE WE.

REALLY? [ LAUGHTER ] OPPORTUNITIES THAT DON'T COME ALONG, BUT ONCE IN A LIFETIME THROUGH THERE. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES HERE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER'S COUNCIL BEHALF TO APPROVE THIS SITUATION. IT'S A WIN/WIN FOR BOTH OF US. THIS PROJECT SITS OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF EDGEWATER, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS US. OUR COUNCIL HAS ENTHUSIASTICALLY ENDORSED IT AND SET ASIDE THE MONEY. NOW IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO THAT INTERSECTION AND TAKEN A LOOK AT IT, IT IS POORLY DESIGNED, IT IS INADEQUATE, IT IS A DANGER IN THE AREA AND TRAVELED HEAVILY BY TRUCK TRAFFIC. I HAVE TALKED TO THE PEOPLE SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO GO AHEAD AND REDO THAT AND THEY ARE ECSTATIC. THE OTHER INTEREST WE HAVE IN THERE IS ECONOMIC. THIS PARK AVENUE LEADS DIRECTLY IN TO MISSION ROAD AND WE HAVE NO LESS THAN THREE MAJOR BOAT MANUFACTURES, AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, AN ASPHALT COMPANY, AND THOSE TRUCKING COMPANIES USE THAT EVERY DAY. WE'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP THAT AREA. WE WANT TO BRING MORE BUSINESSES IN THERE. A PART OF THAT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE PLACED IN THERE. SO WHEN THE TRAFFIC GROWS, IF WILL SUPPORT IT OUT OF THERE. I THINK IT'S A WIN/WIN SITUATION BECAUSE I THINK THE TIMING IS RIGHT AND THE PRICING IS RIGHT. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO COME ALONG AGAIN. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT CONTRACT WITH THE EXISTING COMPANIES OUT THERE. WHEN THEY ARE FINISHED WITH ONE PROJECT THEY COULD MOVE ON TO THE OTHER, WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED OUR COST. ON BEHALF OF OUR CITY COUNCIL, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS -- ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS ITEM. THANK YOU.

MR. CHAIR, LET ME JUMP UP FOR JUST A SECOND. I WANT TO SAY I AM TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SPEAKER'S COMMENTS. MS DENYS MAY WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS. SHE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS TO MINE AND JERRY'S ATTENTION. THE AREA IN QUESTION OLD MISSION AND PARK, WE ALSO CONCUR, NOT ONLY FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, BUT FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT THAT THAT PARK AVENUE NEEDS TO BE THREE LANED. THAT THERE IS A LARGE PORTION OF IT THAT IS ONLY TWO LANES THAT IT IS ONLY 20 FEET WIDE. THREE LANES TO MAKE IT 46 FEET WIDE WITH A REASONABLE TRUCK ROUTE. A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THE MISSION, BUT THEY HESITATE TO USE PARK. AND WITH THAT WE BELIEVE IS HITTING OUR ABILITY TO MARK THAT AREA FOR THE INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL USE AS IT IS A GREAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND WE ALL BELIEVE THAT IF WE COULD GET THE INTERSECTION DONE THAT IT WILL SET US UP FOR THE ARGUMENT WITH THE TPO TO DO THE WHOLE ROAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WITH THE INTERSECTION GOING IN, WE COULD USE IT FOR OUR MATCH AS I ASKED THE MANAGER, MR. BARLOW IF THE ONLY WAY THAT I COULD FIND THE MONEY WAS IF THEY COULD FIND HALF OF IT. AND WE BOTH THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT. THEY SAID THEY WOULD FIND THE MONEY, THEY PUT IT SUPPOSEDLY IN THEIR NEW BUDGET. AND SO AS A PART OF THIS NEW PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'RE DOING IT 50/50, WHICH IS THE KIND OF PARTNERSHIP THAT WE LIKE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. THE OTHER THING IS THAT BECAUSE IT IS IN THEIR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET I'M WILLING TO PUT UP THE MONEY FIRST WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WILL REIMBURSE US FOR THEIR PORTION. THE OTHER THING IS THAT MS DENYS WANTED US TO LOOK AT THIS. LIKE SHE SAID SHE BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION, WE TOOK A GOOD LOOK AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT. AND THE OTHER THING WAS CAN WE DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAYS WELL YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WHOLE THING THAT SOMEHOW THESE THINGS THAT GO ON THAT IT TAKES SO LONG IN THE GOVERNMENT. BUT IT'S NOT PRIVATE MONEY, WHERE SHE PROCESSES TO GO THROUGH. BUT WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY WHEN WE BELIEVE IT'S IN THE PUBLIC'S BEST INTEREST AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE GUIDELINES OF THE LAW. JERRY WAS CREATIVE ENOUGH TO RECOGNIZE THAT AS WE DO THE TRAIL AND HE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT, THAT THE CONTRACTOR THAT WE HIRED FOR THE TRAIL, WHICH IS AT THE SAME INTERSECTION THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A CHANGE ORDER TO THE TRAIL CONTRACT, WHICH IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL. IT'S AN UPFRONT CHANGE ORDER, BUT THE CHANGE ORDER IS TO REBUILD THE INTERSECTION. NOT ONLY WILL WE GET IT DONE QUICKER, BETTER, AND IN LINE WITH THE TRAIL, BUT WE WILL GET A BETTER PRICE AND WE WILL GET IT DONE NOW. AND THAT WAS THE ISSUE. I KNOW MS DENYS PROBABLY WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF HER CONCERNS ABOUT MAKING SURE IT WOULD GET DONE. SHOULD THE COUNCIL PASS THIS TODAY, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED AND BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF INTERESTED PARTIES HOPING TO SEE NOT ONLY THAT WE COULD DO IT,BUT TO DO IT FOR SOME EXPEDIENCY. IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT, YOU HAVE HEARD OF RIBBON CUTTINGS AND GROUND BREAKINGS. THIS WILL BE A SIGN PLENTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO TOMORROW TO ALLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO COME THERE.

TOMORROW?

WE'RE GOING TO COORDINATE THAT. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO STICK A SIGN SHOWING THAT IT WILL BE DONE. AND BECAUSE WE WANT TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT WE MEAN BUSINESS. IF WE CAN, OKAY, AND IF THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE IT.

I WOULD SUGGEST MONDAY.

MAYBE NEXT WEEK.

ALL RIGHT, MONDAY.

I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE TOO MUCH.

I'M TRYING TO GET IT DONE FAST.

AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. BUT THAT WE HAVE COMMITMENTS TOMORROW.

OKAY.

TWO REPORTS.

AND WHAT WE WILL DO IS COORDINATE WHAT DAY, BUT WE ALL THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC SEE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS AND IT WILL EXPLAIN ALSO WHY JERRY IS TEARING THAT UP OUT THERE. DO YOU WANT TO SHOW THEM WHAT WE ARE DOING ON THE CONTRACT? WANT IT DONE THIS AFTERNOON? [ LAUGHTER ]

BEFORE YOU GO, JERRY, FOR THE RECORD I'VE TRIED TO ACCESS THIS ONLINE, THIS PRESENTATION. IT'S NOT COMING UP.

WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS.

WE ARE HAVING TECHNICAL PROBLEMS.

YES, SIR, I REPORTED THEM ALREADY.

OKAY, SO IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF ANYBODY'S COMPUTER OUT THERE THAT IS LISTENING, WE ARE HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES AND WE WILL GET IT FIXED.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

JERRY BRENTON COUNTY ENGINEER. WHAT YOU SEE EXHIBITED BEFORE YOU HERE IS SHOWING THAT WE'VE KIND OF FOCUSED ON THE INTERSECTION. AND THIS REALLY IS THE NEXT SEGMENT THAT IS GOING TO CONSTRUCTION OF THE ESSENTIAL RAIL TRAIL. AND THIS IS THE SEGMENT IN THE EDGEWATER AREA FROM DALE AVENUE TO THE WEST AND SOUTH CROSSING FOR 42, STATE ROUTE 42 WHERE WE ARE A BRIDGE, A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS WE SPEAK NOW. AND THIS WILL TIE IN TO THAT. AND THEN THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE SEGMENT THAT GOES FURTHER TO THE SOUTH OF THE SMALL PARKING LOT. SO THAT IS THE TRAIL SEGMENT AS THE VICE MAYOR MENTIONED. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE HOW CLOSE THE TRAIL IS TO THAT INTERSECTION. AND IT JUST BECAME SO LOGICAL AND THAT WE COULD CAPITALIZE ON THE ALREADY CONTRACTOR ON OUT THERE MOBILIZED. AND YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE ASPHALT DOWN AND ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD DO WITH THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT. AND SO THAT IS HOW THEY KIND OF MORPHED INTO, WHY DON'T WE SEE IF WE COULD DO A CHANGE ORDER AND TO DO THIS INTERSECTION ESSENTIALLY SITTING IN THE SAME LOCATION. AND SO IN THAT EXHIBIT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS A LOW BID ON THE TRAIL, WHICH WAS ABOUT A LITTLE OVER $1.6 MILLION. THE NEGOTIATED CHANGEOVER FOR THE INTERSECTION IS $619,000. IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. IT GOES ALMOST 700 FEET TO THE EAST ON PARK AVENUE. AND YOU CAN SEE NORTH AND SOUTH WE'RE ADDING THE TURN LANES. TODAY TRACTOR TRAILER RIGS THAT GO DOWN TO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK MIGHT NOT MANEUVER OR STAY IN THEIR LANES. AND YOU'VE GOT A BIG CANAL WITH GUARDRAIL PROTECTING IT IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH. THAT'S BEING REALIGNED SO THAT THIS IS DESIGNED FOR THE LARGEST TRACTOR TRAILERS TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER AND STAY IN THEIR LANES. SO IT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. AND THE TOTAL RECOMMENDATION OF AWARD IS $2.6 MILLION. IT'S TO MASSEY CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S ONE MORE EXHIBIT I WANT TO SHOW. IT LEAVES WITH THIS INTERSECTION BEING DONE. OF COURSE IT LEAVES A MISSING LINK. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE EXHIBIT IS MASSEY RANCH ROAD WHERE THE THREE LANES BEGIN AND GO EAST TO U.S. 1. THIS SECTION BETWEEN MASSEY RANCH AND OLD MISSION IS A VERY SUBSTANDARD NARROW, I THINK IT'S 20 FEET OF PAVEMENT, OUR STANDARD IS 24. IT'S GOT NO SHOULDERS. AND SO THIS LEAVES A MISSING PIECE. AND WHAT DISCUSSION HAS BEEN IS WE BELIEVE IT'S BEYOND WHAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF FUNDING. IT'S ESTIMATED ALMOST $2.4 MILLION. AT ONE TIME THE TPO'S REQUEST WAS TO FUND THE INTERSECTION WITH FEDERAL FUNDING. BUT AGAIN GOING THROUGH TPO PROCESS, IT TAKES TIME, IT WASN'T, EVEN IF IT MADE THE TOP OF THE LIST THAT IT WOULD BE SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE FUNDING WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE. INFLATION, EVERYTHING ELSE. WE FELT THAT THE INTERSECTION WAS ACHIEVABLE. AND IN JOINT FUNDING, BUT WE LIKE TO PUT THE EMPHASIS NOW ON THE TPO ON FUNDING THE MISSING LINK, THE $2.4 MILLION. SO THIS INCLUDES DESIGN, SURVEY, AND CONSTRUCTION AND THE ESTIMATES.

IF I COULD ADD, JER, ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT TO ME. THERE IS TWO THINGS ABOUT THIS THAT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. ONE, WE'VE GOT A PARTNER THAT WILL MEET US 50%. THAT TO ME IS A BIG DEAL. NUMBER TWO, THIS IS THE OTHER THAT I THINK ENORMOUS DEAL THAT WE SHOULD GUIDE THE COUNTY POLICY. THE OTHER REASON THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING THE INTERSECTION AND THEN DOING THE ROADS BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD HELP FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT IS THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE TO BUY ANY RIGHT OF WAY. THAT IT IS EITHER RIGHT OF WAY ON THE ROAD THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY OR BY MASSEY WHO WILL GIVE THE RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ISSUES BY THE RIGHT OF WAY AND WE WILL NOT PAY FOR IT. AND HONESTLY I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT THIS WHERE I CAME FROM UP NORTH THAT WE HAVE NEVER PAID FOR THE RIGHT OF WAYS WHEN WE BUILD THE ROADS ON IT AS THEY IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD WITH AS LITTLE MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR RIGHT OF WAY. IN THIS CASE WHEN THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE YOU THE RIGHT OF WAY, I THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE THESE PROJECTS, THAT IT WOULD MAKE THEM A BETTER CHANCE FOR A REALITY THAT WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT HAS BEEN A CONCESSION AS WE WOULD HAVE NO, WELL, THAT'S A PART OF WHY WE PLAYED INTO THE INTERSECTION AS IT SETS US UP TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT FOR THE ROAD. AND ALSO WHEN YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT, JERF WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THERE IS NO ISSUE THAT IT WOULD TAKE ANOTHER HURDLE OFF THE TABLE. BUT I WANT

TO EMPHASIZE THAT I COULD SEE IT ON THE CITY'S PART AND ON THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE LAND ALONG THE ROAD. IS IT THEIR WILLING TO GIVE THE RIGHT OF WAY ROAD THAT THEY WOULD NEED.

I DON'T KNOW MR. MANAGER IF YOU WANT TO SUGGEST TO COUNCIL THAT THEY WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE JOINT RESOLUTIONS TO THE TPO FOR FUNDING THIS SEGMENT. THAT HASN'T HAPPENED AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE ARE JOINT PROJECTS, WHERE YOU COULD GET THE FORMAL RESOLUTIONS THAT WILL BE REQUESTING THE TPO TO ADD IT TO THEIR LIST. AND TO GET THE PROCESS MOVING.

YEAH, IN OTHER WORDS I THINK THAT IT WILL BE A GOOD SUGGESTION. THAT WE WOULD DO THAT TOGETHER, THAT WE WOULD BOTH SAY THAT NOW. THE OTHER THING THAT WE WANT TO ARGUE IS THAT IT IS A PART OF OUR MATCH. THAT WE MADE A COMMITMENT.

OKAY.

BUT THAT WE DO NEED TO TAKE CARE OF ITEM FOUR FIRST BEFORE WE GO DOWN TO GET THAT JOINT RESOLUTION. AND SO MS DENYS. YOU OWN THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS. AND MR. PATTERSON, THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. THIS HAS BEEN MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS OF MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS AND DIALOGUE. AND TIMING IS EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY WITH GOVERNMENT AND FUNDING. SO THE TIMING BETWEEN THE CITY OF EDGEWATER'S SUPPORT. MR. MANAGER I WANT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU CAME TO BOTH, THESE MEETINGS OF THE TWO. WELL THERE, WERE MORE THAN TWO. BUT TWO OF THEM MET WITH THE MANAGER, THE CITY MANAGER TRACY BARLO AND JERRY AND YOUR STAFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BECAUSE WHAT WE THINK IS ECONOMICALLY SOUND. THEN WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, HERE IS WHAT IMPRESSED ME MORE THAN ANYTHING. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE BIG PICTURE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY'S INDUSTRIAL PARK. THIS PARK, INDUSTRIAL PARKTOWN IN EDGEWATER RANKED NUMBER FOUR COUNTY WIDE. BUT IF YOU TAKE -- BUT IF YOU TAKE THOSE AREAS THAT ARE STILL VIABLE AND AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE, THIS MOVES UP TO THE FIRST OR SECOND SPOT IN THE COUNTY. WE TALK ABOUT SHOVEL READY, THIS IS READY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE, THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUE, NOT JUST FOR SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA, BUT FOR ALL OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. THIS IS A HUGE THING. MR. BRENTON I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING A LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. WHERE ARE WE, WHAT'S POSSIBLE, AND THE FACT THAT THE TRAIL THAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT TRAIL RIGHT DOWN PARK AVENUE ALLOWED US TO EXPAND THE CONTRACT. AND MR. BRENTON SAW THAT WITH THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION. THIS IS REALLY HUGE. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER MR. MASSEY OBVIOUSLY DONATING ALL THE LAND FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS. THIS IS HUGE FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY. I'M NOT REAL SURE WHAT THE DOLLAR VALUE IS ON THAT, BUT THIS IS A HUGE COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP. I ASSUME THAT THIS WAS A UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM YOUR CITY COUNCIL, MR. MANAGER FOR THE FUNDING ON THIS, WHICH IS ALSO HUGE. AND TO FREEZE UP AS YOU ELUDED TO THIS, BUT IT IS ANOTHER BIG THING BECAUSE OF THE 50/50 MATCH THAT WE FREED UP THE DOLLARS. AND THEY WERE EARMARKED FOR THIS INTERSECTION. AND SO NOT ONLY CAN WE USE THAT AS MATCH TO PARK AVENUE AND COMPLETE THAT PROJECT, WHICH WILL REALLY OPEN THAT UP FOR INDUSTRIAL GROWTH AND COMMERCIAL GROWTH DOWN THERE. IT FREES UP THE TPO DOLLARS AND ALLOWS US TO GO FORWARD. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, THIS REALLY HAS. AND I THANK THE CITY FOR STICKING WITH US AND THE DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH, WILL THIS WORK, WON'T THAT WORK. SOMETIMES IT DID, SOMETIMES IT DIDN'T. BUT IN THE END OF THE DAY, HERE WE ARE IN THE BEGINNING OF A HUGE PROJECT. AND SO WITH THAT I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MS DENYS. SECOND FROM MS NORTHEY. ARE YOU THROUGH WITH THE FLOOR, MADAM?

YES.

THANK YOU.

AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING, THOSE OF US THAT ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, WE ARE DOING A SERIES OF DEBATES WITH THE NEWS JOURNAL. AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, FUNDING FOR ROADS. AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE DILEMMA THAT WE HAVE ALL GOTTEN TO TAKE A LOOK AT ON HOW WE WILL FUND ROADS IN THE FUTURE. AND I THINK THAT SO FAR THAT I HAVE ATTENDED BOTH DEBATES AND I THINK THAT THE COMMENTS FROM THEM, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE BEEN PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS. AND THAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT I THINK THIS ONE SENDS. IT'S A GOOD PARTNERSHIP. WE'VE FOUND A WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN TO ADVANCE THE PROJECT. AND THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE US, I THINK FROM ONE OF THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOL CHEST IS GOING TO BE PARTNERSHIPS. AND WITH OUR COLLEAGUES AND THE CITIES. BUT JERRY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU KNOW THAT $5.5 MILLION PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE WERE ACCUSING US OF HAVING FOR THE TRAIL BRIDGES, CAN'T YOU FIND SOME OF THAT MONEY FOR THIS? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT. I'M DONE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL. ITEM 4, DIRECTION ON SCHEDULING FUTURE, OH, WRONG ONE. SORRY. WRONG FOUR. THE OTHER FOUR. AWARD OF CONTRACT AND CHANGE ORDER NO. 1 TO THE EAST CENTRAL RAIL TRAIL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO CARRIED UNANIMOUS 6-0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. BRINTON.

IS THIS A TIME WE GO FORWARD WITH THE TPO RESOLUTION, JOINT RESOLUTION?

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. AND I WILL WORK WITH TRACY SO WE COULD DO IT JOINTLY TO TRY TO PRESENT IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

ALL RIGHT, PERFECT.

ITEM NUMBER 4A. BY THE WAY IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 5, THE CONTRACT OF THE PAVEMENT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANYBODY HERE. BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW.

MR. CHAIR I NEED TO ASK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND TRACY BEFORE YOU LEAVE.

PLEASE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PREFERENCE OF THE DATE WHEN WE PLUNK DOWN THE SIGN TO LET EVERYONE KNOW?

I'M GOOD WITH MONDAY.

CAN WE TRY MONDAY?

MS NORTHEY?

I'M CHECKING.

MONDAY IS GOOD FOR ME.

MONDAY IN THE MORNING?

AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT BEAUTIFUL BRIDGE OVER THERE AT 442, HUH, TRACY.

IT'S NOT DONE YET THOUGH.

ALL RIGHT, WE WILL SHOOT FOR MONDAY MORNING AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU.

WE'LL SHOOT FOR 9:00?

AND EDGEWATER IS BRINGING THE COFFEE, RIGHT?

THEY WILL BRING THE COFFEE AND DONUTS.

PER PERFECT. ALL RIGHT, SEE YOU AT 9:00.

AND THEN WE GO FORWARD?

YES.

THANK YOU.

MARY ANNE CONNORS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR THE DIRECTION ON SCHEDULING FUTURE FIRE FUND REGIONAL CITIZEN INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS.

I'LL START OFF AND THEN MARY ANNE WILL PICK UP. LAST TIME WE DID THE TRIM RIGHTS THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ON THE COUNCIL AS I HAD CAUTIONED THAT I ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED FLAT RATE WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FIRE FUND. AND THEY ARE IN POTENTIALLY THE RATE NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE NO CHOICE. WE EITHER CHANGE THE MODEL SIGNIFICANTLY, WHICH I'M WILLING TO DO. AND I THINK WHILE THE CHANGE IS SOME RISK POTENTIAL, I THINK IT'S MORE EMOTIONAL THAN IT

IS FACTUAL. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO. BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO EVOLVE. NOW WHAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DO IS NO MATTER WHAT SCENARIO WE PICK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO KEEP GETTING AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE IN THAT SERVICE. BECAUSE IT'S AN EXPENSIVE SERVICE, BECAUSE IT'S LOW DENSITY OVER A LARGE AREA. IT ALSO INCLUDES A LOT OF AREA THAT ARE RURAL THAT HAVE REAL FIRE POTENTIAL, BUT DOESN'T REALLY PAY MUCH FIRE TAX, OKAY. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY FOR ME TO MAKE IT AND FOR ME TO GIVE RAISES. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF NOT LOOKING AT CHANGES TO KEEP EVOLVING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE ARE DEFICIT SPENDING AS YOU KNOW TO THE TUNE OF OVER $2 MILLION, WHICH WAS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL IN THE PAST. THEY TRIED TO KEEP RATES DOWN. AND WE HAD ENOUGH IN RESERVES. SO THE RESERVES WE BUILT UP WHEN THERE WAS ADDITIONAL MONEY IN THE FUNDS BEFORE THE VALUES DROPPED, WE WERE LIVING OFF OF NOW. THE PROBLEM IS WE GET INTO NEXT YEAR. I CAN GO ONE MORE YEAR WITH DEFICIT SPENDING THE WAY THAT WE ARE, TO GO OUT AND CONTINUE TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT. BUT THAT HAS TO END NEXT YEAR. WHAT WE WILL END UP DOING IS CUTTING INTO THE MOVEMENT MAKING CHANGES. AND THE INCREASE OF THE EMERGENCY RESERVES, SO I GET THIS CLEARLY ON THE RECORD. IF WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY AND I NEED TO USE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WILDFIRE, WHATEVER. BUT IF WE BURN DOWN THE EMERGENCY RESERVE, THERE IS NO WAY TO PAY PEOPLE IF THERE IS NO MONEY. AND IT ISN'T LIKE THE PARTS OF OTHER COUNTY GOVERNMENT THAT YOU CANNOT PUT MONEY IN THAT FUND. Z SO YOU CAN SAY JIM, WE NEED TO SEND THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE AND I WILL SAY WELL, GOOD LUCK BECAUSE I'M GOING TO LAY THEM OFF. THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE FUND. HERE'S THE POINT. PROBABLY THE ONLY THING THAT YOU COULD DO, LEGITIMATELY WE COULD FIND A WAY TO BORROW AGAINST THE FUND IF THE FUND COULD PAY THE MONEY BACK. BUT IF I AM DEFICIT SPENDING, I CAN'T BORROW MONEY. IN OTHER WORDS I'M NOT EVEN MAKING MY CURRENT BILLS. I CAN'T BORROW ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR OTHER MONEY BECAUSE YOU ARE DEFICIT SPENDING. IN THE AMOUNT OF INCREASE IN THE RATE TO GET ANYWHERE NEAR THAT WOULD BE BE BAD. AND THE COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH I'M SAYING IT IS REAL CLEAR ABOUT THIS. BUT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING I THOUGHT MS DANIELS MADE AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION, WHICH IS WHAT IT WOULD COST IF WE AT LEAST TRY TO BREAK EVEN INSTEAD OF DEFICIT SPENDING. VERY GOOD QUESTION. WE GAVE YOU THE PARAMETER OF $0.35. THE COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUT IT ON THE TRIM RATE AND THEN DISCUSS IT. AND WHAT WE STARTED TO DO FROM MY OFFICE WAS TO PUT TOGETHER THOSE INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS. I HEARD BACK FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS TO ME ABOUT PUTTING THE MEETINGS TOGETHER, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, JIM, I'M GETTING SOME PUSH BACK HERE IN A SENSE THAT IT IS NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO IT, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GIVING PEOPLE ENOUGH TIME. BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE YOUR BUDGET HEARINGS IN SEPTEMBER. YOU REALLY NEED TO GET THIS INFORMATION PROGRAM DONE BEFORE SEPTEMBER. AND SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE REAL THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION. WELL THAT'S ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK TO GET OUT TO THE CITIZENS THE WAY THE COUNCIL WANTS. THE OTHER THING WAS ONE OF THE PLANS THAT MARY ANNE WILL GO OVER IS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO WITH THE COUNCIL NEXT YEAR TO BRING YOU ALL UP TO SPEED. I THINK FOR YOU TO MAKE THIS DECISION YOU NEED TO KNOW ONE, WHICH I'VE GOT TO EXPLAIN TO THE CITIZENS WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO BE EFFICIENT TO THIS POINT. IN OTHER WORDS I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD EVER GO TO THE CITIZENS ABOUT ANY KIND OF A RATE INCREASE WHEN YOU CAN'T SHOW THEM THAT YOU HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING ALREADY. BECAUSE THEY ARE ACCUSING YOU, WELL, CUT OUT THE FAT. WHEN YOU SEE WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE AS WE ARE DOWN NOW TO WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE OPTIONS AVAILABLE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO PEOPLE, BUT I BELIEVE I NEED TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE COUNCIL. NOT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL BACK UP TO SPEED. THE NEXT THING IS WHAT I HAVE TO SHOW TO THE CITIZENS, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK IS FAIR IS WHAT CHANGES WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IN THE MODEL IF WE DON'T INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY. WELL THE DISCOMFORT THAT I HAVE AND SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID BACK TO ME IS YOU KNOW WE WANT TO DO THIS, JIM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU NEVER REALLY SHOWED US THOSE CHANGES SO THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THEM. AND I THINK YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT FIRE STATIONS, WHEN AND HOW WE WOULD CHANGE THINGS SO THAT YOU ARE READY WHEN PEOPLE DISCUSS WITH YOU. IF THEY WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND NOT PAY THE INCREASE. I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU CHANGES THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD DO, BUT THEY DEFINITELY WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT. AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID TOGETHER WITH THE THREE CITIES THAT DEPEND ON US, WE'VE HEARD BACK SAYING HEY, COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE US MORE NOTICE THAN THIS? BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT NO OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE SERVICE PROVIDERS IF THEY WANT TO. AND GIVING ALL OF THAT, WHAT I DID ON MY OWN WAS THAT I TOOK THE SCHEDULE OFF THE TABLE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TODAY. AND I DO BELIEVE, AND I TALKED TO EVERYONE AND I TALKED TO MR. DANIELS AS I FEEL COMFORTABLE IN SAYING THIS AS HE SAID IT IN THE PAPER THAT HE MADE THE MOTION. BUT IF YOU NOTICE HIS COMMENTS IN THE PAPER THAT HE NOW THOUGHT WAIT A MINUTE, MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME. SO I NEED TO KNOW IN THIS DISCUSSION WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THESE MEETINGS, AND IF WE WANT TO SORT OF PUNT AND TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT I NEED TO KNOW THAT. AND THEN WHAT MARY ANNE IS GOING TO DO, SHE IS GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING NEXT YEAR. SO I WILL LET HER GIVE YOU THAT AND THEN I NEED FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL. MARY ANNE?

THANK YOU.

WHAT WE DID WAS APPROACH THIS IN TERMS OF HOW TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE NOTICE TO ALL THE PARTIES MOST DIRECTLY AFFECTED AND THEN OF COURSE TO THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL. WITH A MIND TO HAVING THIS AS A DECISION ITEM BY MID-MARCH OF NEXT YEAR. WITH THAT BEING THE TIME WHEN FOLKS REALLY NEED TO BE PREPARED THAT THEIR BUDGETS FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. AND SO WE HAVE WORKED WITH THAT AS A TIME FRAME. STARTING IN JANUARY, WE THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO A WORKSHOP TO RECAP FOR THE SITTING COUNCIL, THE CURRENT SITUATION, WHERE WE ARE WITH FINANCING, WHAT THESE STATISTICS ARE IN TERMS OF THE SERVICE DEMAND, WHERE THEY ARE, WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED, WHICH ONES ARE THE LEAST BUSY. AND HOW WHAT GEOGRAPHY IN SCHEDULING ATECTS THE CURRENT SYSTEM. AND SECOND MEETING WOULD THEN RECAP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. THIS WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MEASURES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN AND THE ELEMENTS OF THE SYSTEM THAT COULD BE CHANGED. WE THINK THAT IT IS CRITICAL THAT THE PERSPECTIVE OF LOOKING AT THIS AS A SYSTEM DELIVERY IS CRITICAL BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CHANGE THAT DOESN'T AFFECT OTHER PEOPLE. AND IT IS NOT ISOLATED TO THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. WHAT WE DO AFFECTS OTHER PARTIES. IT AFFECTS OUR OWN EVAC SYSTEM. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE IN MIND THE BALANCE OF THOSE SYSTEMS AND THE DELIVERY OF SERVICES OVER THE LARGER COMMUNITY.

WE THEN WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP A WEBSITE. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE SAID AND TO START RECEIVING SOME FEEDBACK. AND IN TERMS OF WHAT IS ON OUT THERE AND WHAT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS ARE. THE PARTIES MOST AFFECTED AS YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE THREE CITIES IN THE FIRE DISTRICT. AND THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SYSTEM, HOW THEY ARE AFFECTED, WHAT THEY ARE PAYING AND WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO GO IN ANOTHER DIRECTION IN TERMS OF MEETING THEIR OWN CITIZEN SERVICE NEEDS. WE THEN HAVE THE CITY'S MOST AFFECTED BY WHAT WE DO. THAT'S NOT AN EQUAL IMPACT ACROSS THE COUNTY. IT'S DEPENDING ON WHAT STATIONS MOVE OTHER AREAS, OTHER CITIES THAT ARE THEN AFFECTED BY OUR SERVICE CHANGES AS WE NEED TO BE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM SO THAT WE HAVE APPROACHED ALL OF THEM AS FAR AS WHAT IMPACTS, WHAT THEY SHOULD ANTICIPATE, WHAT THEY SHOULD BE EXPECTING FROM US IN TERMS OF THE FUTURE SERVICES. AND WE THEN HAVE, AS I WILL SAY THE AG COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO THE LARGER RURAL COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THE WILDFIRES. THAT IT IS NOT COMMONLY UNDERSTOOD HOW THIS WORKS THAT WE HEAR ALL TOO OFTEN, WELL YOU KNOW, THAT'S DIVISION FORESTRY. WELL, OKAY, BUT BY NO MEANS ARE THEY PREPARED TO TAKE ON ANYTHING OF ANY SIZE. AND THIS AFFECTS NOT ONLY THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. IT AFFECTS LARGE EXPANSES OF PUBLIC LANDS WHERE WE ARE THE MANAGING INTEREST. IT AFFECTS THE LARGE EXPANSIONS OF THE UNDEVELOPED LANDS THAT HAVE BEEN ANNEXED INTO CITIES. BUT OUR SUFFERING ON THE SAME IMPACTS OF THE WILDFIRES AND THEN OF COURSE THE AG COMMUNITY ITSELF.

IF YOU GET INTO THE AG COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE COUNTING ON THE STATE FOREST SYSTEM TO HELP THEM. I THINK THAT THEIR MOTTO IS THAT YOU WOULD PROTECT THEIR FOUNDATION. THAT THERE WON'T BE MUCH LEFT AND THEY WILL NOT BRING EQUIPMENT LIKE WE DO. THE BOTTOM LINE IS ONE OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IS IF THE RURAL AREA, WHICH WE NEED TO EDUCATE THEM BECAUSE HERE IS THE ISSUE. IF THEY SAY WELL, LET IT BURN. WELL THAT'S OKAY UNTIL LET IT BURN BECOMES A NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO THEM. Z THAT WE CANNOT PUT IT OUT THERE. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT IS NOT UNDERSTOOD IS THAT IF WE GO IN AND A LOT OF THE TIMES IT'S A VALUABLE FIRE, IF IT IS A SILVER CULTURE FARM IF YOU LET IT ALL BURN. SO THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS THAT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE RUSHING AND YOU TAKE CARE OF A STRUCTURE FIRE. NOW REMEMBER NOW, ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NON-EMERGENCY MEDICAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY FIRES. AND THAT IS THE GREAT AMERICAN MYTH. BUT IF WE DO GET A FIRE, YOU KNOW, YOU TEND TO SPEND A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, DEPENDING ON THE HOUSE. MAYBE A COUPLE THOUSAND OF DOLLARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT YOU COULD GET AN INCIDENT IN THE AG COMMUNITY WHERE YOU GET A REAL FIRE GOING THAT YOU COULD DROP $200 EASILY. AND SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DISCUSSION ON THE COUNCIL AND ALSO WITH THE AG COMMUNITY WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE AND WHAT WE ARE PROTECTING AND IN SOME CASES HONESTLY THAT YOU COULD TAKE THE POSITION THAT IF THEY DO AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE NOT WORRIED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY STRUCTURES ON IT WHEN IT BURNS. WHEN IT ESCAPES THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY START THREATENING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THAT IS A POLICY ISSUE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES. THAT MARY ANNE HAS OUTLINED THIS WOULD TAKE TIME. I'VE TALKED TO SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I AGREE WITH THEM WHO FELT THAT IT WOULD TAKE EVERY BIT OF SIX MONTHS TO TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE THROUGH THESE WORKSHOPS AND ALL THAT. AS TO WHAT OUR DILEMMA IS, THE ONE THING THAT WE CANNOT ESCAPE, THE CAN HAS COME TO THE END OF THE ROPE. IF WE KICK THIS, WE'RE GOING TO KICK THE WALL. THERE AIN'T NO PLACE TO KICK THIS CAN NOW. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A CHANGE OR WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE REVENUE. AND IN ALL TO THE OLD COUNCIL, THEY DEALT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. THEY DIDN'T KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO PUT IT INTO THE FUTURE. THEY TRIED TO USE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAD, THEY TRIED TO SEE THE RESOURCES AND THE VALUES THAT WOULD COME UP AND SEE IF SOME OF THAT WOULD BRING ITSELF BACK TO WHERE IT WOULD PAY BETTER AND THEY WAITED FOR US TO TRY TO MAKE AS MANY CHANGES THAT WE COULD THAT WERE SILENT IN MOST CASES OR INVISIBLE TO PEOPLE, LIKE TWO PEOPLE IN A TRUCK INSTEAD OF THREE. BUT WE HAVE NOW RUN OUT OF THOSE OPTIONS. SO AS MARY ANNE IS SUGGESTING. NOW, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE COUNCIL ON FORMALIZING WHAT THIS PLAN WOULD BE. SHE IS JUST GIVING YOU A FIRST SHOT AT THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE MIGHT DO. SO I REALLY NEED IN SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL BECAUSE WHAT HAVE BEEN LEFT WITH IS THE OLD DIRECTION AND ONLY IN A PUBLIC MEETING CAN YOU CHANGE DIRECTION AND GIVE ME SOME GUIDANCE IN WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DO.

ALL RIGHT. MS NORTHEY?

THANK YOU. YOU KNOW JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS AND THEN SOME THOUGHTS FROM ME. YOU KNOW, I THINK MARY, WAS IT 97 WILDFIRES? 8.

98 WILDFIRES. MR. PATTERSON YOU REMEMBER THE WILDFIRES OF '98. AND WE HAD OUR PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE FIELD FIGHTING FIRES, CONCERNED, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT LOSS OF POWER STATIONS IN THE RURAL AREAS. WE HAD TO BE THERE. THERE WAS NO DOUBT AND IT WASN'T JUST AN EFFORT THAT WAS BY FIRE SERVICES, BUT IT WAS ALSO OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT WAS THE YEAR PUBLIC WORKS GOT FIREFIGHTER OF THE YEAR FROM WHAT I REMEMBER. AND SO CLEARLY THERE IS EDUCATION THAT IS NEEDED OUT THERE ON THE SUBJECT. AND WHILE I THINK WE WERE ALL IN A PLACE WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, STEPPING BACK AND LOOKING AT THIS NOW, IT IS NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO GO OUT TO DO PUBLIC HEARINGS TO HAVE THEIR FULL TRANSPARENCY THAT PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING FROM COUNTY GOVERNMENT. THE COMMENTS CAME BACK TO ME AS IF THIS WAS SOME CONSPIRACY. YOU KNOW, WELL, ACTUALLY NO, WE ARE ACTUALLY JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TIME FRAME THAT THEY WERE NOT HAPPY WITH THAT. AND THERE WERE OTHER CONCERNS AND CONSIDERATIONS. I LIKE THE PROCESS THAT YOU JUST LAID OUT. I LIKE THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, DOING THE WEBSITE AND TAKING DIALOGUE AND DOING AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN. AND SO IT WOULD BE MY POSITION THAT WHILE WE HAVE ADOPTED FOR TRIM PURPOSES A RATE THAT TODAY WE WOULD ROLL THAT RATE BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD DO THAT TODAY. WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT. BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT SO WE COULD SEND A MESSAGE EARLY ON THAT.

MS NORTHEY. WHAT I ANTICIPATED WAS IF YOU WENT BACK TO MY RECOMMENDATION OFFICIAL WHICH WAS TO HOLD IT FOR THE YEAR. WHY YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT TO THE FIRST MEETING OF SEPTEMBER. I WOULD ADVISE YOU IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY TO VOTE ON THAT IN TERMS OF YOUR INTENTION. AND THEN WE WOULD GET THAT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SENSE IF YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT TO LET PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE IS A HIGHER RATE THAN THERE IS. AND THAT WAY WE COULD ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS. IF YOU VOTED FOR SOMETHING SAYING THAT IT WILL BE OUR INTENT ON THAT FIRST MEETING TO GO BACK. AND THEN WHAT I COULD DO IS THAT WE COULD COMMUNICATE THAT BOTH THROUGH THE MEDIA AND THAT WE COULD ALSO ANSWER QUESTIONS NOW WITH EVERYONE. BECAUSE THERE IS NO SENSE IN HAVING PEOPLE ARTIFICIALLY OBJECT TO SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY HAVE THOUGHT YOUR MIND IN AS YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO.

THAT IS MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT AS I'M WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS BEFORE THAT GOES IN. THANK YOU. MR. DAVIS?

ALL RIGHT, MR. PATTERSON YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I AGREE WITH MS NORTHEY. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. AND BEING THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS DRILL A FEW TIMES OVER THE YEARS WITNESSES FIRSTHAND THE FIRES OF '98 AND THE IMPACT THAT THEY HAD ON. I DON'T THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WE REALIZE THAT DAY WHEN WE SET THAT TRIM RATE THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T THINK IN FAIRNESS TO NOT ONLY THE COUNCIL, BUT TO OUR STAFF AND TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY TO GET THE STORY OUT THERE AND TO TAKE SOME TIME AND TO EXPLAIN IT CAREFULLY SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS OF WHAT IS INVOLVED. LIKE JIM HAS SAID, IT'S JUST NOT ABOUT FIGHTING FIRES ANYMORE. YOU KNOW I WENT THROUGH FIRE FIGHTING TRAINING WHEN I WAS IN THE NAVY AND I HAVE BEEN IN FIRES. I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE AND I KNOW WHAT OUR GUYS WERE GOING THROUGH IN '98 HAVING BEEN DOWN ON BOARD A SHIP WHERE THERE WERE FLAMES LEAPING AROUND YOU. IT'S NOT ALL A FUN THING. BUT ALSO IT IS MORE THAN JUST FIRES ANYMORE. IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP A CERTAIN LEVEL OF KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROTECTING OUR PEOPLE. BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WHEN YOU ARE LAYING THERE ON THE GROUND WITH A BROKEN ARM AND YOU'RE WAITING FOR AN AMBULANCE AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE WERE THERE AND TRAINED AND THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO PROVIDE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY IN SERVICES. SO I THINK A MOTION TO, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

OKAY, ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION?

I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE, AND I WANT TO BE CAREFUL AS I WILL LOOK FOR THE WORDS ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I KNOW WE CAN'T ROLL IT BACK TODAY, BUT WE CAN SIGNAL THAT IT IS OUR ATTENTION TO ROLL IT BACK TO THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDED RATE BY THE MANAGER. DOES THAT WORK?

YES. WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING IS TWO THINGS. ONE YOU WOULD BE VOTING TO SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS PROCESS OF EDUCATION IN TO THE NEXT YEAR. THAT'S ONE. IN OTHER WORDS THAT IT MEANS THAT I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT DONE BY THE END OF AUGUST TO TAKE IT BACK INTO NEXT YEAR.

AND MIGHT I SUGGEST SO THAT IT IS SIMPLE WOULD IT NOT BE RIGHT TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE TO MOVE THIS PROCESS TO NEXT YEAR?

YES.

ALL RIGHT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE THE PROCESS OF THE DISCUSSION ON THE FIRE SERVICES. THE REVENUE TO 2015 FIRST QUARTER IN 2015.

A MOTION AND A SECOND.

AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE A QUORUM.

WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS COME.

YES, YOU DO, WE HAVE FOUR. BUT I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THIS. BUT WHILE WE ARE WAITING, MS DENYS DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

CALL THE VOTE.

GENTLEMEN, LADIES.

ALL RIGHT, WHERE SHE A MOTION TO MOVE THE DISCUSSIONS FORWARD TO 2015.

THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2015.

WOW, FIRST QUARTER OF 2015.

A MOTION WAS FROM MS NORTHEY, SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THEY ALL VOTED. JOSH JUST VOTED TOO.

AND THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE --

SIGNAL.

THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR. SIGNAL OUR INTENT TO THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO ROLL BACK THE RATE TO THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION BY COUNCIL MANAGEMENT. DOES THAT WORK?

OKAY. SO STATED, SECOND BY MS NORTHEY, SECOND BY MR. PATTERSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

CAN I JUST ADD ONE OTHER THING? JUST FOR THE RECORD WHILE I KNOW WE RUN NON-PARTISAN, THAT WAS A BI-PARTISAN MOTION MADE BY TWO PEOPLE.

THERE YOU GO.

I DIDN'T SAY A GANG OF FOUR EITHER. [ LAUGHTER ]

WE ALL AGREED, WE ALL APPROVED.

WE USE THEIR OPPORTUNITY, MR. CHAIR.

AND HEY SOMETIMES WE ALL WORK TOGETHER.

MR. CHAIR WHAT WE WILL DO AND ALSO BY THE WAY AS YOU PROBABLY READ IN THE PAPER THAT I HAVE TALKED TO THE FIRE UNION AS THEY UNDERSTAND TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING AS THEY UNDERSTOOD. THEY SHARED THE SAME CONCERNS THAT THE MANAGEMENT AND THE COUNCIL SHARED, WHICH IS THAT WE ALL THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO COLLAPSE IT AT TIMES SO IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE SORT OF PUT THE GUN TO THE HEAD BECAUSE IT IS COMING UP. BUT IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AND IT IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED. AND SO THEY UNDERSTOOD AND THAT YOU SAW THEIR COMMENT IN THE PAPER. BUT HERE IS WHAT WE WOULD DO. SEEING THAT YOU HAVE VOTED THIS WAY THAT I WILL HAVE DAVE DO A PRESS RELEASE ON THE TRIM RATES SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW. AND WE WILL ANSWER THAT QUESTION WHEN PEOPLE CALL. THAT COULD STOP A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM FEELING LIKE THEY HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING RIGHT THIS MINUTE BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY THE TRIM RATES THAT HAVE BEEN SET AT THE HIGHER LEVEL AS WE WILL TELL THEM THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL.

OKAY.

WE DO HAVE OUR FAVORITE MEDIA PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AND THEY ARE DOING THIS AS WE ARE SPEAKING.

AND THEY CAN'T WAIT TO WRITE IT DOWN.

YES.

AND HE GOT IT VERBATIM.

FOR THE BEACON. [ LAUGHTER ]

THAT'S TRUE.

ALL RIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE? WE SHALL MOVE FORWARD. MR. BYRON YOU ARE ON THE DECK. THE USE OF THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE BY THE SANDS THEATER. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 6. I STAND CORRECTED. I THOUGHT YOU GUYS DID THAT WITHOUT COMING TO US. BUT APPARENTLY WE SAID NO, YOU HAVE TO COME TO US FOR THE USE OF THE HISTORICAL COURTHOUSE.

YES, SIR. GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING, CITIZENS. I'M DAVID BYRON DIRECTOR OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES. A LITTLE BACKGROUND HERE AS YOU JUST STATED MR. CHAIR. THE COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE A FORMALLY ADOPTED POLICY ON THE USE OF COUNTY FACILITIES. WE DO HAVE A FORMALLY ADOPTED POLICY ON FILM PRODUCTION, BUT NOT FOR THE USE OF THE FACILITIES. SO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING ON THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS, BRINGING THEM FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A REQUEST BY THE SANDS THEATER, THE ATHENS THEATER FOR THE USE OF THE COURTROOM AND THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS BUILDING FOR MULTIPLE DAYS IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY NEXT YEAR. THIS REQUEST COMES FORWARD TO US. AND A BIT OF AN UNUSUAL MANNER IN THE SENSE THAT ALTHOUGH WE HAVE HAD EVENTS AND THE USE OF THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. WHAT MAKES THIS REQUEST SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL DECISION AND DEBATE IS THE FACT THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING THE USE OF THIS FACILITY MULTIPLE DAYS AND MULTIPLE EVENINGS IN FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR. THE APPLICATION IS IN YOUR PACKAGE. IT WOULD BE FOR MULTIPLE NIGHTS OF PRACTICE THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY. AND THEN THREE SUCCESSIVE WEEKENDS OF PAID PERFORMANCES IN THE HISTORIC COURTROOM UPSTAIRS IN THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE ATHENS THEATER. MR. CRAIG IS HERE AND HE COULD SPEAK TO THIS REQUEST. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE MET THE COUNTY'S LIABILITY INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE A DRAFT OF A USE POLICY THAT THE LEGAL HAS WORKED OUT THAT WE NEED TO GET COMPLETED. I THINK THAT WE COULD DO THAT, BUT IT IS PURELY A DECISION OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL THAT THIS REQUEST COMES WITH THE PERMISSION TO SELL ALCOHOL, BEER, WINE, BEVERAGES DURING THE PAID PERFORMANCES. AND I HAVE CHECKED WITH THE COURT FACILITIES DIRECTOR, OUR ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL WHO DOES NOT HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THIS. BUT I MUST TELL YOU THAT THE MAJOR THAT IT IS A COUNTY OFFICE BUILDING AND THE MAJOR USE OF THIS IS A COUNTY OFFICE, PRIMARILY THE OFFICE OF THE SUPERVISORS OF ELECTIONS. AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO OUR SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION AS LATE AS THIS MORNING, REGARDING HER VIEW ON THE USE OF THE BUILDING FOR THIS NUMBER OF DAYS. SHE WANTED ME TO SAY TO YOU THAT SHE IS DIED UP IN AN EMERGENCY AND COULD IN THE BE HERE TO EXPRESS HER OPINIONS HERSELF. BUT HER VIEW AS IT OPENS UP TO THE DOOR POTENTIALLY FOR A PRECEDENT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR HER OFFICE. AND THIS IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE THAT ANY TIME THAT THIS COURTHOUSE HAS BEEN UNDER A STATE DIRECTED BLACKOUT DATE FOR ELECTIONS THAT WE DON'T ALLOW THE USE OF THE COURTHOUSE FOR PRODUCTIONS OR ANYTHING OF THIS NATURE DURING THOSE BLACKOUT PERIODS. THAT THIS IS NOT WITHIN A BLACKOUT PERIOD AND SO THAT IS NOT A CONCERN. BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY WANTED ME TO TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE PRETTY STRONG CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER THIS OPENS UP THE DOOR FOR SIMILAR ACTIVITIES OF THIS NATURE. AND SO I'M JUST CONVEYING TO HER TO YOU WHAT HER VIEW IS. TYPICALLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND HAD IS THE WAY THAT WE WOULD HANDLE THIS IN THE FILM POLICY IF IT WERE THE FILM THAT WE DON'T TRY TO MAKE ANY MONEY ON THIS. WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TO HAVE THE COST COVERED. SO THE COST FOR SECURITY AND THAT SORT OF THING WOULD BE ABOUT $4,100, WHICH THEY HAVE AGREED TO PAY. THAT THEY HAVE WORKED WITH US VERY CLOSELY AND VERY CORDIALLY. HE WAS HERE IF YOU WOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM. BUT THIS STAFF, THEY WOULD WORK FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS REQUEST.

ALL RIGHT MR. PATTERSON.

MR. BYRON. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FILM COMMISSION AND THE USE OF FACILITIES. WAS THE COURTHOUSE PART CONSIDERED A PART?

YES, IT WAS. IN THAT POLICY THERE ARE NUMEROUS SEVERAL COUNTY FACILITIES THAT COULD BE POTENTIAL FILM LOCATION ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, BUT YES THIS IS DEFINITELY LISTED AS ONE OF THOSE FILM OPPORTUNITIES.

SO IF SOMEONE SAYS WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A PLAY OR A FILM, THE SAME TYPE OF ACTIVITY, WHICH IS REHEARSALS AND PRODUCTION. AND FILMING. AND ACTUALLY PROBABLY FILMING IS A LOT MORE INTENSE THAN THE ACTUAL PLAY OTHER THAN THAT WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE IN THERE.

IT COULD BE FOR SURE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, MS NORTHEY.

THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO SUPERVISOR McFULLS CONCERNS. SHE HAS A POLICY IN PLACE OR WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE DURING THE ELECTIONS THAT THE BUILDING IS NOT USED. AND FOR SECURITY REASONS AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT. I DO THINK THOUGH THAT WE HAVE A REAL RICH AND VARIED OPPORTUNITY HERE TO USE A LOT OF OUR RESOURCES. WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL PARKS AND RECREATION SPACES AND HISTORIC BUILDINGS. AND THAT THEY LEND THEMSELVES AND WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE CULTURAL COMMUNITY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO ABOUT WHAT GREAT OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE HERE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. SO I THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MANAGE THEM. I APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE A POLICY THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I'M KIND OF WONDERING WHY WE DON'T MAKE THIS REVENUE, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT NEUTRAL, BUT THE REVENUE PLUS FOR US AND WHY WE WOULD NOT WANT TO, AND MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE ONE TO DO IT ON AS WE HAVE SET UP A RATE. BUT THAT IN THE FUTURE, MR. MANAGER, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T INCLUDE THE COST THAT MAKE MONEY FOR THE TAXPAYERS.

I THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY AS THEY ARE GETTING INTO ALL KINDS OF ISSUES. THAT YOUR POINTS ARE ALL TAKEN. BUT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME GUIDELINE LIKE THAT, THAT YOU NEED TO DO IT WHERE IT IS A NON-PROFIT AND YOU DON'T MAKE A PROFIT. BUT SAY THAT SOMEBODY WAS DOING A FILM TO MAKE A PROFIT. NOW, THAT'S DIFFERENT. MANY THIS CASE YOU'VE GOT A LOCAL GROUP THAT IS NON-PROFIT THAT WILL BE TRYING TO USE THE LOCAL.

AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT WE ALREADY DO THAT FOR RENTAL AGREEMENTS FOR SOME OF OUR PUBLIC BUILDINGS.

WE DO.

WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

WE CAN. WE WOULD BE GLAD TO DO IT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD BRING IN A LOT OF REVENUE.

I DON'T THINK THAT IT WILL.

BUT TO BRING IN MORE THAN WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW.

BUT THE OTHER THING THAT IS GOOD ABOUT HAVING SOME FEE THAT NOT ONLY COVERS COSTS, BUT BRINGS IN SOME MONEY AND THAT YOU TEND TO WEED OUT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT SERIOUS EITHER.

RIGHT.

SO YOU SORT OF LIMIT THAT YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF FRIVOLOUS REQUEST THAT YOU GET ONES THAT PEOPLE ARE SERIOUS IF THEY WANT TO USE THE BUILDING. BUT THAT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THAT IF YOU WANT US TO.

SURE, I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT THAT AS WE THINK THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE AND THAT WE CHARGE RENTAL FEES TO OTHER THINGS. AND THAT WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AS WELL THAT I WOULD THINK WITH SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE WHOLE RENTAL, THE WHOLE WAY THAT WE CHARGE AND THAT IT IS REALLY NOT EQUAL ON CERTAIN KINDS OF BUILDINGS AND PLACES. AND SO I'M OKAY WITH THIS. I THINK THAT IF ANYBODY HAS SEEN THAT COURTROOM, OH MY GOODNESS THAT IT JUST LENDS ITSELF TO FILM, TO PLAYS. WE DID ON THE 500th ANNIVERSARY OF SPAIN IN FLORIDA THAT WE DID A REENACTMENT THERE THAT IT WAS WONDERFUL AND A GREAT OLD COURTROOM THAT WE NEED TO UTILIZE. AND SO I'M ALL FOR IT.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MA'AM. MS CUSACK.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'M ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS. I THINK THAT IT IS, THAT IS WHY IT'S HERE. AND I THINK THAT FOR NON-PROFIT AND FOR CITIZENS, GROUPS THAT HAVE EVENTS THAT WOULD LEND ITSELF TO THE FACILITY THAT THESE BUILDINGS, THEY ARE REALLY OWNED BY THE CITIZENS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. AND SO I THINK THAT, AND I DON'T THINK IT OUGHT TO BE A MONEY MAKING VENTURE IN AS MUCH AS I THINK THAT IT SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF. BUT I THINK THAT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE FACT THAT IT IS THE BUILDINGS ARE OWNED BY THE CITIZENS. AND THAT TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF THEM USING THEIR OWN, I DON'T, I WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. BUT I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY WORTHWHILE PROJECT. I KNOW THAT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, THAT IT HAS THE HISTORY THERE, IT IS PHENOMENAL. AND I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE A GREAT VENUE FOR THE USE BY THE ATHENS THEATER AND I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT IF THIS TAKES A MOTION TO DO, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO WHEN THAT TIME COMES AFTER THE COMMENT MR. CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT. MR. PATTERSON?

YEAH WHEN I WAS FIRST APPROACHED ON THIS AND STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT. AND I REALIZED THAT ONE, THE COURTHOUSE HAS A VERY UNIQUE HISTORY TO VOLUSIA COUNTY. BUT ALSO THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCTION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS HISTORICAL. IF YOU GO ON YOUTUBE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY YOUTUBE AND WATCH THE MOVIE, 12 ANGRY MEN, WHICH IS WHAT IT WILL BE BASED UPON, BUT THEY NEED TO MAKE IT MORE CO-ED AND A LOT MORE EXCITING. AND I THINK THAT THE LOCATION OF THIS AND IT IS A REAL ASSET, NOT ONLY TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO THAT FOR US AS A COUNCIL, AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING AS I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND THAT I'M NOT JUMPING UP AND DOWN. AND BECAUSE I ACTUALLY AM INSIDE, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS GOOD. I'M A THEATER FREAK, OKAY, I ADMIT IT. I REALLY ENJOY THE THEATER AND THE SANDS PRODUCTION THAT HAVE BEEN DOING ON HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC.

THEY ARE.

IF YOU MISSED LES MES OR EVEN AS THE TOWN THAT MY WIFE JUST ABSOLUTELY CRINGED AT, BUT SHE IS BACK THERE SCRATCHING THEIR HEAD. BUT THAT PARTICULAR PLAY IS TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS WATER QUALITY ISSUES BELIEVE IT OR NOT IF YOU HAVE SEEN THAT WHOLE THING. AND EVEN ALL SHOOK UP, WHICH WAS BASED UPON SHAKESPEARES 12 NIGHTS.

OVER VOLUSIA LOW DOWNES.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GREAT THINGS COMING IN. AND LITTLE DID I KNOW WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A NEW COURTHOUSE THAT WHEN THE ARCHITECT STOOD IN HERE TO SAY THAT WE COULD HAVE IT AS A NEW COURTHOUSE AND THE OTHER END ANOTHER BOOKMARK, WHICH WOULD BE THE SANDS THEATER AND THE ROADS AND IT HAS MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE DOWNTOWN TREMENDOUSLY. SO I'M PLEASED NOW. I GO AHEAD TO MOVE TO APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE SANDS THEATER.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MR. PATTERSON AND SECOND FROM MS CUSACK. CONTINUING ON TO DISCUSSION. MR. WAGNER?

MINE IS SHORT IF ONE THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THERE, ANOTHER FACT THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF WHAT SEGREGATION HAS DONE. WHEN YOU WALK IN TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT YOU SEE WHERE THE BLACK PEOPLE WERE FORCED TO SIT. SO THINK ABOUT JURY TRIALS BACK THEN. THINK ABOUT COMING IN TO A COURTROOM AS A YOUNG BLACK MALE A YOUNG BLACK FEMALE AND YOU LOOK OUT TO YOUR PEERS AND THEY ARE NOT SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE. THEY ARE SITTING OUT IN THE BAD SEATS. I THINK THAT THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M A PART OF THE BOARD OF THE HALIFAX HISTORICAL MUSEUM SOCIETY. WHEN YOU GO IN THERE AND YOU SEE SOME OF THE HISTORIC FACTS AND SOME OF THE TAGS, SOME OF THE PLATES, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT USED TO EXIST. I THINK AS A COUNCIL IT IS GOOD TO PRESERVE THESE TYPES OF THINGS SO WE NEVER GO BACK THERE. AND I THINK THAT IT'S NICE TO SEE IT IS UTILIZED, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE HISTORIC DOCUMENTS AS FAR AS WEBSITES. THINGS THAT SHOULD POINT OUT IN THE NOT SO GOOD THINGS THAT WE PRESERVE AND I THINK THAT IT IS EVIDENCE OF IT AND THAT YOU GO IN THERE. AND MY FIRST THOUGHTS WHEN WE WENT IN THERE FOR THE FIRST TIME IS WHAT IS THAT? BECAUSE FOR MY GENERATION THAT WE DON'T KNOW IT. SO IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND IT IS AN AMAZING COURTHOUSE. I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS AS FAR AS THE SANDS THEATER I WAS A PART OF THE COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL NOW WITH THE CHANGE, WITH THE ENTITY CHANGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO SUPPORT THE THEATER. I'VE BEEN THERE ALL ALONG AND I'M GLAD TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU.

MS DENYS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THIS IS A PLAY ABOUT 12 ANGRY JURORS, NOT 12 ANGRY MEN, MR. PATTERSON.

12 ANGRY MEN?

THAT WAS THE NAME OF THE BOOK.

12 ANGRY MEN WAS THE NAME OF THE MOVIE THAT CAME OUT. I THINK IN THE 1950s. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO HAVE BOTH MALE AND FEMALES IN IT AND THEY WILL CALL IT 12 ANGRY JURORS. AND I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING REAL QUICK. WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE COUNCIL. DIANE TOOK ME IN TO THAT BUILDING AND THAT IS WHEN IT WAS PAINTED THIS AWFUL BROWN AND THAT IS WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AWFUL AND THEY SHOWED ME THE OLD COURTHOUSE, THE WAY IT WAS BACK QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO AND THOUGHT THE WHOLE BALCONY PART OF IT WAS CLOSED IN. THAT IT WAS CLOSED IN AND IT DEPARTMENT LOOK ANYTHING LIKE IT TODAY AND SO TAKING US BACK. AND I WILL BE QUIET NOW.

JUST A POINT OF COMMENT THAT I AFREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE PRODUCTION AS IT IS A GOOD BALANCE IN USING OUR HISTORICAL EFFORTS AND JUST ECHO EVERYTHING THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, SO WE WILL MOVE THE QUESTIONS.

WELL MR. ECKERT.

PERHAPS.

MR. CHAIR IF I HAD THE MOTION AND THE SECOND TO INCLUDE THE AUTHORIZATION, WHICH WAS SPOKEN ABOUT WITHOUT BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AS WE DO THE USE AGREEMENT, I MEAN THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE A SPECIAL ELECTION IN FEBRUARY AND SO WE MAY NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT POSSIBILITY. AND WE WILL KNOW THAT BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEET. I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS A LIKELY OUTCOME PERSONALLY, BUT THERE HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION IN THE PUBLIC OF THAT POSSIBILITY.

WE WILL KNOW MORE.

SO I'M ASKING.

A RECOMMENDATION FOR MODIFICATION ON THE MOTION.

THAT MR. PATTERSON'S MOTION AND SECOND INCLUDES THE AUTHORIZATION FROM THE MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE USE AGREEMENT FOR THIS PURPOSE.

MR. CHAIR, I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO ADD THAT THE COUNTY MANAGER, BE AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT THAT IS SUFFICIENT.

AND THE SECOND ONE AGREES.

THE FINAL COMMENTS.

AND JUST A REAL QUICK COMMENT. THAT MR. WAGNER HAS BEEN SAYING ABOUT THE BUILDING. AND I FORGET WHAT YEAR IT WAS, BUT I SHARE THE COMMITTEE WHEN THEY WENT IN TO LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL EVALUATION THAT IT WAS A REAL DISCUSSION ITEM ON WHETHER WE TOOK OFF THAT BOARD THAT COVERED THOSE TYPE OF SECOND BALCONIES. I MEAN THAT THERE IS CONCERN IN PARTICULAR IN DELAND, PEOPLE IN DELAND THAT WE WERE EXPOSING A PART OF OUR HISTORY THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT EXPOSED. THE COMMITTEE TO THEIR CREDIT SAID NO THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF AND THAT WE NEED TO SHOW WHAT WE WERE AND THAT WE WOULD NEVER GO BACK THERE AGAIN. AND SO IT WAS A TOUGH DECISION FOR SOME PEOPLE TO MAKE, BUT THEY MADE THE RIGHT ONE AS YOU LOOK AT IT NOW AND YOU SAY WOW, WHY SHOULD WE HAVE EVER BLOCKED THEM OFF TO BEGIN WITH. AND THAT IS WHAT WAS JUST INCREDIBLE TO ME AND THAT YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME. IT'S BEHIND THOSE WALLS. SO ANYWAY THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US, MR. WAGNER OF THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.

MR. CHAIR.

YES.

AS A FINAL COMMENT IS SPENT. AND WE HAVE TO STUDY THE HISTORY. AND SO THAT WE COULD REMEMBER THAT WE ARE. AND THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE. AND SO THAT WE DON'T REPEAT THAT AGAIN. AND SO IT IS A PART OF US, IT IS A PART OF HISTORY. AND WE KNOW WHATNOT TO DO. AND TO TAKE THE WALLS DOWN. AND THAT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THEY WERE THERE. AND SO THAT WE WON'T EVER GO BACK THERE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND SECOND HIS MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY MR. PATTERSON AND SECOND BY MS CUSACK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRY UNANIMOUS 6-0. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT THING IS A TIME SPECIFIC. OH. THE FORMER SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS IS HERE. I'M SORRY. PLEASE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND WITH THAT, OUR NEXT ONE IS TIME SPECIFIC AND SO WE'RE GOING TO JUMP FORWARD JUST A LITTLE BIT TO SOME APPOINTMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE 17 MINUTES BEFORE WE COULD DO ITEM NUMBER 7.

AND THE APPOINTMENTS, LET'S GO BACK DOWN TO ITEM 61, WHICH IS OUR FIRST APPOINTMENT.

MR. CHAIR.

AND MAY I MAKE THAT APPOINTMENT? I KNOW HER REAL WELL AND I WANT TO NOMINATE HIM FOR THE CITIZENS, FOR THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD. HE IS A FORMER ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER HERE. AND SERVED BRIEFLY AS INTERIM COUNTY MANAGER. AND HE IS WELL VERSED IN THIS, BUT WE WANT TO ADD TO THE MOTION THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO WEAR SOCKS WHEN HE COMES TO THE MEETINGS.

I DON'T KNOW. CAN WE SPECIFY THE DRESS CODE IN A MOTION?

NO SOCKS. RAY PENNY BAKER WITH NO SOCKS. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL SEE IF THAT FLIES.

AND MS NORTHEY NOMINATES MS PENNY BAKER WITH NO SOCKS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? YOU DON'T HAVE TO WEAR SOCKS, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO WEAR SHOES.

HE HAS TO WEAR SHOES.

MR. CHAIR. AND WE ALSO HAVE TO HANDLE THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT ARE SERVING ON THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD. THE TWO MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE SERVING.

OH, THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WE NEED TO PUT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THAT.

MR. PATTERSON HAS VOLUNTEERED. I WILL TAKE A VOLUNTEER ON THAT ONE. MR. PATTERSON WILL CONTINUE IF YOU SO PLEASE, COUNCIL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MR. PATTERSON CONTINUING AS VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ANYBODY ELSE?

I CURRENTLY SERVE.

AND WHEN WILL THEY HAVE THEM BACK?

I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT MS DANIELS SAID.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU IN YOUR MIC.

I THINK THAT MS DENYS, DID YOU SERVE ON THAT?

YES, SHE SERVES.

I DO.

AND I DIDN'T HEAR HER COMMENT. DID SHE SAY THAT SHE WOULD SERVE AGAIN OR YOU DID NOT SAY THAT?

YES, I WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE AGAIN.

SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE AGAIN. AND UNLESS THERE IS AN OBJECTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

SHE HAS TO WEAR SOCKS.

I'M NOT TOUCHING THAT.

UNLESS THERE IS FURTHER OBJECTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MS DENYS CONTINUING HER SERVICE, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED. PLEASE THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO SERVE.

ALL RIGHT. AND IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH?

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

AND ADVERTISING DISTRICT FIVE IS NOT PRESENT. I'M SORRY, YES, YOU ARE HERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE CAROL. IS THAT CORRECT?

AND I BELIEVE SHE PRONOUNCES IT.

OKAY.

I WILL JUST GO WITH CAROL. ALL RIGHT, THE NOMINATION BY MS NORTHEY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

SO CARRY.

AND THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY THAT WE HAVE MR. RICK DAWSON. THIS IS A FOUR-YEAR POSITION. ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS? AND WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY RESEARCH ON MR. DAWSON. AND IS THERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IS WISHING TO NOMINATE FOR THIS POSITION?

I DON'T KNOW.

DO YOU KNOW HIM?

NO.

OKAY, WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE.

MOVE TO CONTINUE.

MOVED TO CO. SECOND?

SECOND FROM MS NORTHEY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THIS TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO CONTINUES. ALL RIGHT. AND WE HAVE 12 MINUTES AND THEN THE NEXT ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY QUICK FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. WE'VE GOT LIKE ONE MINUTE PER OR FIVE MINUTES PER. AND THESE SHOULD GO FAIRLY QUICKLY.

MR. CHAIR I HAVE A SIMPLE REQUEST.

WHAT, MA'AM?

JUST A SIMPLE REQUEST.

YOU HAVE A SIMPLE REQUEST.

IF POSSIBLE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A PROCLAMATION FOR BURN SITE CHARTER SCHOOL TO BE PRESENTED THIS SATURDAY AT THEIR OPEN HOUSE. THEY WENT FROM AN X SCHOOL TO A B WITH GREAT CELEBRATION. SO THEY HAVE REQUESTED A PROCLAMATION FOR CELEBRATION FROM THE COUNCIL.

YES. AS A MATTER OF FACT THAT IS A LITTLE SCIENCE TECHNOLOGY SCHOOL DOWN THERE IN OAK HILL. I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. ANY OBJECTION FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL?

NO.

I MEAN THAT IS QUITE A MILE MARKER.

IT IS A HUGE MARKER.

ALL RIGHT, SO BE IT. YOU CAN GET DAVE BYRON'S OFFICE INVOLVED.

I WILL. I'LL WORK WITH STAFF.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND SPEAKING OF OAK HILL IF I MAY. I GUESS WE'VE GOT 10 MINUTES. I WOULD LIKE TO THROW SOME STUFF OUT THERE COUNTING THIS AS KIND OF MY CLOSING COUNCIL COMMENTS. I JUST RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT OAK HILL DOWN IN THAT AREA.

IF YOU EVER GO DOWN TO OAK HILL AND YOU GO DOWN HALIFAX ROAD AND OUT ON THE PENINSULA THAT THERE HAS GOT TO BE, I KID YOU NOT THE PENINSULA AREA THAT IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE ON. BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE 200 ON THIS THING AND THEY ARE SMALL AND THEY ARE ALL THERE. NOW, WE JUST HAD THE QUALITY WORKSHOP. NOW I JUST HEARD THAT THESE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT THEY HAVE REAPPLIED TO INSTALL SEPTIC TANKS ON THE PENINSULA.

THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM OUT THERE ON THE HALIFAX RIVER. MR. DENNY, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO SAY NO IF YOU ARE GOING TO REPLACE THESE SEPTIC SYSTEMS YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO ON TO SEWER SYSTEMS?

OKAY. SEE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. BUT WHAT YOU COULD DO IS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT THERE TO DO SEWERS. SO WE WON'T BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT. WE COULD IF WE BUILT IT, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT. AND THE REALITY IS THAT THERE ARE SEPTIC TANKS AVAILABLE. THAT HAVE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE. THE ISSUE IS THEY ARE JUST EXPENSIVE. AND SO THE QUESTION BECOMES AT WHAT EXPENSE TO THE PEOPLE IN THAT LITTLE PENINSULA THAT WE WANT TO DO. AND I KNOW THAT AREA WELL. I SNOW THAT PENINSULA. IT'S PRETTY AMAZING. IT BLOWS YOUR MIND THAT IT IS EVEN THERE WHEN YOU COME AROUND THE CORNER. BUT THE QUESTION BECOMES DO WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THE SMART SEPTIC TANKS. THE ONES THAT BASICALLY TAKE OFF THE NITROGEN THAT IT COLLECTS IT. BUT I THINK IS IT ONCE A YEAR, IS ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE SMART TANKS? THAT IT IS ONCE A YEAR AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO SPECIFICALLY AND IT IS JUST A HIGHER EXPENSE WITH THE INSPECTION THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. BUT I DO BELIEVE JASON THAT IT IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE BECAUSE THAT IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TRYING TO PROTECT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FERTILIZER ORDINANCE, WHICH I THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER PARTYSON BROUGHT UP. THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THE SEPTIC. SO HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE FERTILIZER AND YOU DON'T ADDRESS THE SEPTIC.

EXACTLY.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE CITY OF OAK HILL. AND THAT IS HOW IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION, IT'S LIKE WAIT A MINUTE. BECAUSE APPARENTLY OUR OWN BOARD OF HEALTH, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SAID YEAH, GO AHEAD AND DO THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. I MEAN WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A SAFEGUARD DOWN THERE THAT WE HAVE MAJOR OYSTER VIEWS DOWN THERE THAT THEY ARE GROWING CLAMS, HUNTING CLAMS, WHATEVER YOU SEE OUT THERE WITH ALL THE BUOYS AND EVERYTHING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBLE HEALTH IMPLICATIONS OF PEOPLE EATING AN OYSTER OUT OF THERE THAT HAS BEEN TAINTED BY WHAT MAKES IT WORSE THAN OUR ORANGE GROVES KIND OF STATEMENT. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION LAST NIGHT AND IT'S LIKE THIS IS A PART OF OUR PROBLEM THAT WE'VE GOT TO FIX THIS PROBLEM, MS DENYS.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW SYSTEMS.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THEY WERE SAYING YES, YOU CAN GO AND REDO THESE SYSTEMS.

OKAY, THEY ARE REDOING THIS SYSTEM. IF THEY ARE REDOING THE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IF THEY ARE NEW SYSTEMS. BUT IT'S WITHIN THE CITIES. IT'S OUT OF OUR PURVIEW.

IT'S THE BOARD OF HEALTH, THE WATER QUALITY AS I THINK THAT WE WOULD DO PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE CITIES ALL THE TIME, IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. AREN'T THERE WAYS FOR US TO HAVE A STANDING?

I THINK THE QUESTIONING WOULD BECOME, WELL, THE FACT THAT IT IS IN THE CITY. THE QUESTION WOULD COME WHETHER OR NOT THAT WE HAVE SHOWN YOU THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO SAY IT AT THIS POINT WHETHER WE COULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS BEYOND WHAT THE STATE HAS.

CAN YOU FRAME IT AROUND THE WATER QUALITY?

WELL AGAIN IF THE STATE IS SHOWING YOU THE FIELDS FROM THE REGULATION, THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION.

IT'S INTERESTING.

I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS.

BUT THAT'S MY MAJOR POINT THAT WE HAVE WORKED. THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING. AND WE NEED TO START THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NEXT ON THE RADAR. WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THIS. WHY TAKE TWO STEPS FORWARD AND THREE STEPS BACK WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE DO THE FERTILIZER ORDINANCE AND START THREE STEPS BACK AND NOT GET IN THE MIDDLE LIKE WE HAVE ALL AGREED WITH ALL THE DATA THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IN THE PAST THREE MONTHS. THE SEPTIC SYMPTOMS ARE A PART OF THE SYSTEM THAT THEY ARE A MAJOR PART OF THE PROBLEM.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND I THINK THAT HE CORRECTLY STATED THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH THEY COULD BE FORCED TO HOOK UP TO THE SEWER SYSTEM. OTHER THAN THAT WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO ADDRESS THIS MOMENT ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD REQUIRE THE STATE AGENCY TO ADMINISTER WHAT WOULD BE A LOCAL STANDARD.

JUST A COMMENT AND A FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING THAT MR. WAGNER SAID THAT YOU DO NEED TO HAVE A LINE IN PLACE. AND THAT REALLY, I'M GOING TO MAKE A PLUG ON THIS. FOR THE LEGACY THAT THEY WILL BE COMING ONLINE AND THE GOVERNOR ANNOUNCED THE INITIATIVE A WEEK AGO AND THE FIRST PART OF THIS WEEK ABOUT SEWER. AND THAT WE BETTER BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS ON THE STAFF LEVEL AND BE READY TO ADDRESS THAT AND TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN IN PLACE ON WHAT AREAS THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON. AND CERTAINLY THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THEM. BUT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A REAL COST TO LAYING THE LINE DOWN THERE AND HOOKING THOSE PEOPLE UP AND THERE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL OPTIONS AND OAK HILL NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

WELL, IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS JUST HANDED TO ME, HOT OFF THE PRESSES AS YOU SAY FROM WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS DOWN IN OAK HILL. AND WHO HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH BILL BROWNING FROM ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, THE DIVISION OF AGRICULTURE, THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND CONSUMER SERVICES.

THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN ME, WHICH I WILL HAND TO MS ZIMMERMAN TO PUT IN TO THE RECORD THAT THIS IS A MAP OF ALL OF OUR TESTINGS, ALL THE TESTING SITES THAT THEY ARE DOING. AND FOR SUSTAINED SOLIDS, THE PH, SALT, EVERYTHING, AND THAT THEY ARE SHOWING WHERE THEY ARE PICKING UP THIS INFORMATION. AND THAT THIS IS FROM 35 YEARS OF DATA ON JUST THE SOLIDS FROM SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN DUMPED IN THAT RIVER. AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND TURN THIS OVER AS THEY GO ALL THE WAY OVER.

DID WE GET COPIES OF THIS?

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD GET A COPY OF IT AND THAT COUNCIL MEMBER. AND THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY TALKING TO ME ABOUT THIS AND COUNCIL MEMBER ENGEL. AND HE SAYS WELL WE'VE GOT DATA ON THIS THING AND THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE HEARD THAT IS COMING DOWN THE PIPES AS WE'VE GOT TO STOP IT, TO DO SOMETHING, THE CITY IS WITH US. WE NEED TO SAVE OUR RIVER. THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BECOME A PROBLEM IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING AND WE NEED TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. AND SO WITH THAT I WILL GO AHEAD AND TURN TO MR. WAGNER. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO COMMENT ON THAT?

YEAH, THAT I THINK THAT OAK HILL AND THEIR CITY COMMISSION IN THERE AND THAT THEIR ADMINISTRATION THAT THEY AGREE THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE IS NOT WANTING TO TALK ABOUT IT OR NOT WANTING TO DO IT. IT IS JUST THE FACT OF THE MATTER THAT IT IS MONEY AND THAT THIS IS A MONEY ISSUE. AND AS MUCH AS IT IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE, IT'S A MONEY ISSUE. BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEWER, WHICH ALSO PROMOTES DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE TUG OF WAR, BUT THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS OUT THERE AND THESE CITIES ARE HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF IT AS WE CONTINUE WITH THIS WATER QUALITY AND THESE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE HAVE HAD WITH THE CITY AND THAT A LOT OF THEM WERE THERE AND THEY WERE SAYING THESE TYPES OF THINGS IN WHAT THEY WERE DOING. BUT I THINK THAT PAT IS RIGHT THAT WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR SOME OF THE MONEY FROM BOTH THE STATE AND THAT THERE IS SOME FEDERAL RIVER LAGOON. THAT THERE ARE FEDERAL, THAT THERE IS FEDERAL MONEY THAT NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE AS WE WILL BE READY FOR IT, WHICH WILL GO TO THE LOBBY THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING IN THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE ONE OF THE TOP, IF NOT THE TOP ISSUES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP.

I THINK THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE YOU GO INTO THE TOPIC AND THE DISCUSSION. AND THAT IT WILL BE POSSIBLE.

I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THIS AND IF THERE IS A WAY TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH THEY WOULD TAKE. AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST. AND TO CONNECT THAT ZONE AND TO THE CLOSEST POSSIBLE PIPE. AND MAYBE THAT WE COULD WORK WITH OAK HILL TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING. AND IF WE JUST GET IT.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT THREE MINUTES BEFORE 11:00. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LET'S TAKE A LITTLE BREAK BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NEXT SECTION AT 11:00. AND SO WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL RIGHT AROUND 11:00.

ALL RIGHT. CHAMBERS PLEASE COME TO ORDER. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. IT IS NOW, BEST WE CALL IT THE SPEED SESSION, RIGHT? THIS IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO ZIP, ZIP, ZIP, ZIP, ZIP. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 7. ORDER OF BUSINESS OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING IN RESOLUTION OR ABANDONMENT OF VACATION OF A PLATTED VALLEY IN VESTEL PARK SUBDIVISION MAP BOOK 9 PAGE 23, THE AREA PETITIONERS, JASPER L. ALMAN, JOYCE PARKER, ELIZABETH JOANN PETERMAN AND PAUL ALMAN. THEY'RE THE PETITIONERS. SO WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE GO, MR. BRINTON.

JERRY BRINTON, COUNCIL ENGINEER. THEY OWN THE PROPERTY THAT'S OUTLINED IN BLUE. THEY ARE ACTUALLY MADE UP OF SEVEN TINY LOTS. AND YOU SEE IN THE WHITE HASH IS A NARROW ALLEY WAY THAT WAS TYPICALLY PLATTED WAY BACK. HAY HAVE NO PURPOSE. THEY WANT TO ABANDON THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND SO THAT THEY COULD COMBINE THEIR PROPERTY AND IN ORDER TO COMBINE IT INTO ONE PARCEL THEY ARE SEEKING AN ABANDONMENT OF THAT ALLEY WAY. AND WE HAVE REVIEWED IT. WE DON'T SEE A PUBLIC PURPOSE IN RETAINING IT FOR THE PUBLIC. AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

AND ANY OTHER STAFF DISCUSSION ITEMS.

AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, THE SECTION OF THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION ITEM 7. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE, MA'AM?

NO, SIR.

OKAY, GOING ONCE, TWICE. SEEING AS NO FURTHER PUBLIC DISCUSSION WE WILL CLOSE PUB LICK HEARING. COUNCIL DISCUSSION, MS DENYS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

MOVE APPROVAL.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL. DO I HEAR A SECOND?

SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FOR MS NORTHEY. FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL. SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RESOLUTION, THE ABANDONMENT OF THE PLOTTED ALLEY IN VESSEL PARK SUBDIVISION MAP BOOK 9 PAGE 23 TO THE PETITIONERS, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED UNANIMOUS, 6-0. ITEM NUMBER 8. OPENING OF PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS ANOTHER RESOLUTION FOR ABANDONMENT.

WE NEED TO WAIT A MINUTE OR TWO FOR THAT, PLEASE.

I GO TOO QUICK.

I HAVE TWO MINUTES. WE HAVE TO WAIT TWO MINUTES.

CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING?

SURE.

MS NORTHEY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THIS IS AN ITEM FOR COUNCIL NOT ON THE AGENDA, WHEN IT IS OUR COUNCIL TIME. I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVE THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE DECK RANCH NEXT WEEK. AND I SPECIFICALLY WANT TO HAVE YOU HEAR ME ON THIS. HE DID AN AMAZING JOB ON THE HISTORIC PANELS. AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE CLEARLY THE BEST THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN. AND I DON'T KNOW, IT IS JUST A BEAUTIFUL COLLECTION AND I JUST WANT THAT PUT IN THE RECORD. AND THAT I'M REALLY BIG ON TO THOSE HISTORIC PANELS AND I LIKE THEM AND I LOOK FOR THEM. AND THIS PARTICULAR SET IS REALLY INCREDIBLE. SO WHEN YOU ARE THERE NEXT WEEK B SURE TO CHECK OUT THE HISTORIC PANELS AS THEY ARE REALLY COOL. AND THAT'S IT.

AND DID WE USE UP TWO MINUTES?

NO, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT. YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

YES, COME ON, DO A SONG AND DANCE. A SONG AND DANCE.

NO, NO, NO, MY SINGING DAYS. THEY ARE NOT OVER.

YOU GOT THAT VOICE.

YES, I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT MY SONG DAYS ARE NOT OVER, BUT THEY ARE JUST HERE. AND WE HAVE 15 SECONDS OF WAITING AND THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 8. IT WOULD HELP TO HAVE MY GLASSES. CAN I GO AHEAD NOW, MA'AM?

SURE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ITEM NUMBER 8, OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RESOLUTION ABANDONMENT OF A PORTION OF THE PLAT OF CITY OF REMADOS. THAT'S INTERESTING. MAP BOOK 10 PAGE 109-111, CITY OF REMADOS, UNIT 2, MAP BOOK 10 PAGES 151-153. THE CITY OF REMADOS, UNIT 3, MAP BOOK 10, PAGE 218, AND PETITIONERS ARE THE SPAZ OF VOLUSIA ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ALL TO ME MR. BRINTON?

JERRY BRINTON, COUNTY ENGINEER. IN THIS ABANDONMENT REQUEST AND VACATION YOU HAVE TWO PETITIONERS. YOU HAVE THE FORMER OWNERS OF 310 ACRES, SPAZ OF VOLUSIA AND THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THE 310 ACRES ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY U.S. 92. AND IN THE TIGER BAY AREA. THEY HAVE SOLD AND CLOSED ABOUT A YEAR AGO. THE SPAS OF VOLUSIA SOLD IT TO THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AS CONSERVATION LANDS. AND THE STIPULATION IN THERE WAS WITHIN A YEAR THAT THEY WOULD, THE SPAZ OF VOLUSIA WOULD APPLY AND SEEK VACATION OF THE PLATTED UNOPEN RIGHTS OF WAY. AND HERE IS ONE EXAMPLE. IN GREEN IS WHAT HAS BEEN ABANDONED IN THE PAST. THE YELLOW IS REPRESENTING PORTION OF THE 310 ACRES. THEY'VE GOT STREETS AND LOTS AND ALL THAT ANTIQUATED. IT'S GOING INTO CONSERVATION, THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WOULD LIKE IT TO BE ALL VACATED, CLEAN. TO TURN IT BACK TO ACREAGE. AND WATER MANAGEMENT IS A PARTY TO THE PETITION. BECAUSE YOU CAN POINT A COUPLE LITTLE ENDS OF STREETS THAT WILL GO BEYOND THE YELLOW. AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THOSE, SO IT IS REALLY CLEAN UP WATER MANAGEMENT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RIGHTS OF WAY IN THEIR PROPERTY SINCE THEY ARE AT THE END OF THE STREETS TO ABANDON THOSE AND VACATE THOSE RIGHTS OF WAYS. AND BEFORE YOU, EVERYTHING IN YELLOW IS BEING REQUESTED TO BE VACATED AND ABANDONED, AND RETURNED TO ACREAGE. AND THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN YELLOW, THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE LEGAL ACCESS TO OTHER PROPERTY THAT IS NOT TO THIS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. AND IT IS A MEMBER OF THE STAFF OF WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT IS HERE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER STAFF DISCUSSION? STAFF MANAGEMENT, YOU NEED TO WISH TO MAKE COMMENT. THIS IS YOUR TIME.

OKAY. THEY SO WAIVE THEIR DISCUSSION. WITH THAT WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORTING SECTION.

MOVE APPROVAL. WITH THE AGENDA ITEM.

I HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FIRST.

I'M SORRY.

I UNDERSTAND. WE WILL NOW OPEN UP THE PUBLIC.

NO, THERE IS NOT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING AS WE HAVE THREE MORE MINUTES BEFORE WE COULD START THE NEXT ISSUE, WHICH IS FINE. OKAY. AND SO NOW WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

MR. CHAIR, THERE IS A LADY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT I DON'T THINK THAT SHE UNDERSTOOD SHE NEEDED TO FILL OUT A YELLOW SLIP. I DON'T THINK THAT SHE UNDERSTOOD AND SHE STOOD UP WHEN YOU SAID PUBLIC.

I'M SORRY, I USUALLY LOOK HERE. PLEASE, MADAM.

AND WHAT WE WILL NEED YOU TO DO IS FIRST OFF WE WILL NEED YOU TO FILL OUT A YELLOW FORM AFTER YOU ARE DONE SPEAKING. WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY FIRST.

BUT AFTER THAT GET WITH MS ZIMMERMAN AND FILL OUT THE PROPER PAPERWORK.

YOU CAN USE THE PEDESTAL AND USE THE MICROPHONE.

I JUST WANT TO.

I HAVE A RULE. YOU HAVE TO SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

MY NAME IS SALLY ARCHER UTTER.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 961 PINE AM ROAD SOUTH DAYTON. MY MOTHER AND FATHER BOUGHT A PIECE OF THE PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF REMADOS IN 1950. AND WE PAID TAXES ON THAT TOMORROW AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ASSURED BY MARSHA THAT THIS DOES NOT APPROACH ON OUR IN GRASS AND OUT GRASS.

AND I'M FINE WITH THAT. AND MY FAMILY IS FINE WITH THAT.

WELL THANK YOU.

AND SO THAT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHEN THEY CAME HERE AND THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FROM HER.

MR. CHAIR, THE NEIGHBOR WILL PERIOD OUT THE STREET IN THE TRIANGULAR PIECE.

IT IS THE TRIANGULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THE STREET, I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE PLATTED STREET IS. AND WE ARE LEAVING CORTEZ OPEN TO THE NORTHBOUND REOF THEIR PROPERTY.

RIGHT, OF THE TRIANGLE.

AND THAT IS SATISFACTORY WITH YOU.

THAT IS SATISFACTORY. THANK YOU, I'M SORRY.

NO, NO, IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING. AND IF YOU WILL SEE MS ZIMMERMAN OVER THERE, SHE'LL SHOW YOU THE PROPER PAPERWORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

AND NOW WE'RE ON TIME. ANY OTHER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION? OKAY, SEE NO FURTHER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION WE WILL CLOSE THAT PARTICULAR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION DOWN. MS NORTHEY, I THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

I MOVE THE AGENDA ITEM, MR. CHAIRMAN.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON. MR. PATTERSON WISHES TO HAVE THE FLOOR.

I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION, BUT THAT'S FINE.

MOTION AND APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RESOLUTION ABANDONMENT OF A PORTION OF THE PLAT OF THE CITY OF REMADOS MAP BOOK 10 PAGES 109-111, MAP BOOK 10 PAGES 151-153, AND MAP BOOK 10 PAGES 218-ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. WOW. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE NOW ON TIME. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH FIRE DEPARTMENT CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, NON-TRANSPORT. WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING, GEORGE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR POSITION FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD MORNING, GEORGE RECKTENWALD DIRECTOR OF WILDLIFE PROTECTION. GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, COUNCIL. THE NEXT 12 ITEMS ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO RENEW THE COUNTIES, CITY'S CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC NECESSITY. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO FOR THESE ITEMS, I'M GOING TO HAVE MARK WOLCOTT WHO IS OUR DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY SERVICES ADMINISTRATION. IF THERE IS ANY CHANGE IN ANYTHING HE'LL HIGHLIGHT THAT. AND THAT OCCURS ON TWO OF THE ITEMS WHICH HE WILL POINT OUT WHEN YOU GET TO THOSE ITEMS. AND THOSE CHANGES, ALL THE REST OF THEM ARE JUST RENEWALS OF WHAT WE WERE DOING RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY. AND SO WITH THIS ITEM HERE, NUMBER NINE. MARK?

GOOD MORNING, MARK WOLCOTT EMERGENCY MEDICAL ADMINISTRATION. WITH THE COUNCIL HAS BEFORE US, AN APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL OF CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY. NON-TRANSPORT FOR THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH THAT IS NOT MODIFIED, BUT A RENEWAL OF EXISTING SERVICES.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER STAFF REPORT ON THAT? OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE STAFF REPORT. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THIS ISSUE, MS ZIMMERMAN.

NO, SIR.

GOING ONCE, TWICE, SO BE IT, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. PUBLIC HEARING IS SO BY CLOSED OPENING FOR APPROVAL.

MOTION APPROVALLED.

MOTION FROM MR. PATTERSON SECONDED BY MS CUSACK. FURTHER DISCUSSION, SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SO CARRIES, 6-0 UNANIMOUS. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR RENEWAL OF DAYTONA BEACH SHORES DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, NON-TRANSPORT. STAFF REPORT PLEASE, SIR. IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND POSITION.

MARK WOLCOTT EMERGENCY MEDICAL ASSISTANT. SIMILAR TODAY TOE THAT THIS IS A RE-- TO DAYTONA THIS IS A RENEWAL AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

ANY FURTHER STAFF REPORT? SEEING NONE, CLOSING STAFF REPORT. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION MS ZIMMERMAN?

NO, SIR.

OKAY, WE WILL NOW HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON ITEM 10. WE WILL OPEN THIS NOW TO THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND ACTION.

MOVE APPROVAL, MR. CHAIR.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MR. PATTERSON.

SECOND FROM MS CUSACK. FURTHER DISCUSSION? AS TO SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED UNANIMOUS 6-0. ITEM 11, OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE CITY OF DELTONA CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, NON-TRANSPORT. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, STAFF REPORT.

SIMILARLY THIS APPLICATION SEEKS FOR RENEWAL AND MODIFICATION OF SERVICE AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

MARK WOLCOTT, YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.

MARK WOLCOTT EMERGENCY MEDICAL ADMINISTRATIONS.

THANK YOU, SIR. ANY FURTHER STAFF REPORT? AS TO SEEING NONE, WE WILL HEREBY CLOSE STAFF REPORT. OPENING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

NONE.

NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. NOTED FROM MS ZIMMERMAN. HEREBY CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND CLOSING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOVE APPROVAL, MR. CHAIR.

COUNCIL DISCUSSION, MR. PATTERSON IS MOVING FOR APPROVAL, MS NORTHEY BEAT HER TO THE SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AS TO SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED UNANIMOUS 6-0. ITEM 12,ERED OF BUSINESS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER FIRE RESCUE CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY. THIS IS NON-TRANSPORT.

CORRECT.

IDENTIFY THY SELF.

MARK WOLCOTT EMERGENCY MEDICAL ADMINISTRATION. THIS AGENDA PUTS AN APPLICATION IN FRONT OF THE RENEWAL OF EXISTING SERVICE, NON-TRANSPORT BY THE CITY OF EDGEWATER. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER STAFF REPORT? AS TO SEEING NONE, CLOSING STAFF REPORT, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, MS ZIMMERMAN.

NONE.

HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OPENING THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION. I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MS CUSACK.

SECOND.

SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON. FURTHER DISCUSSION? AS TO SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED UNANIMOUS 6-0. ITEM 13. PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE CITY OF HOLLY HILL FIRE RESCUE CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, NON-TRANSPORT. MARK WOLCOTT.

WE'RE AHEAD OF TIME. HOLD ON.

MA'AM, WE'RE AHEAD OF TIME?

YEAH.

OH, SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT, NO, WE'RE GOOD. SORRY, SORRY.

I THOUGHT I WAS GOING SO FAST THAT I HAD A TIME WARP. [ LAUGHTER ]

YOU'RE GOOD. IT'S ME.

MARK WOLCOTT, EMERGENCY MEDICAL ADMINISTRATION. THE CITY OF HOLLY HILLS APPLICATION SEEKS FOR RENEWAL OF EXISTING SERVICE WITHOUT MODIFICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER STAFF REPORTING? AS TO SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE AND OPEN UP TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

NONE.

NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN THIS ACTION. CLOSING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND OPENING COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND ACTION. WE'LL ENTERTAIN AN APPROVAL.

MOVE FOR APPROVAL FROM MR. PATTERSON AND SECOND FROM MS DENYS FOR THE DISCUSSION. AS TO SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIES UNANIMOUS 6-0. ITEM NUMBER 14. PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE NEW SMYRNA BEACH FIRE RESCUE CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, NON-TRANSPORT. MR. WOLCOTT.

MARK WOLCOTT EMERGENCY MEDICAL ADMINISTRATION. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A RENEWAL FOR THE CITY'S EXPERIENCE TO VEHICLE FAILURE A SHORT-TERM OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY MEDICAL PROGRAM. SPOKEN TO THE FIRE CHIEF THEY ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT TO GET TO THE RESOURCE, BUT THAT MODIFICATION DOES TAKE PLACE THIS WITH APPLICATION. OTHERWISE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER STAFF DISCUSSION? STAFF REPORT AS TO SEEING NONE, CLOSING STAFF REPORT. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, MS ZIMMERMAN.

NO, SIR.

OKAY, WE WILL NOW CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN UP THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND AX. ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, ITEM 16, STAFF REPORT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE CITY OF ORMOND BEACH CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY.

MARK WOLCOTT EMERGENCY MEDICAL ADMINISTRATION FOR THE RENEWAL FOR NON-TRANSPORT BY THE CITY OF ORMOND BEACH. NO MODIFICATION SUGGESTED, BUT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AN APPROVAL. EXCUSE ME.

OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR. ANY FURTHER STAFF REPORT? NO FURTHER STAFF REPORT. AND THEREBY WE CLOSE STAFF REPORT SECTION OF THIS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS NOW OPEN. ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION MS ZIMMERMAN?

NO PUBLIC.

CLOSING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. AND CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF ITEM 16. OPEN FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND ACTION.

MOVE APPROVAL.

MS DENYS MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND.

SECOND FOR MR. PATTERSON. FURTHER DISCUSSION. AS TO SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED UNANIMOUS, 6-0. ITEM NUMBER 17. OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING STAFF REPORT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE PONCE INLET FIRE RESCUE CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC SCIENCE AND NECESSITY, NON-TRANSPORT.

MARK WOLCOTT MEDICAL EMERGENCY ADMINISTRATION. COUNCIL HAS AN APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL WITHOUT MODIFICATION FOR ADVANCE LIFE SUPPORT COPC AND NON-TRANSPORT BY THE TOWN OF PONCE INLET. STAFF IS WAITING FOR APPROVAL.

ANY STAFF REPORT? AS TO SEEING NONE, CLOSING STAFF REPORT SECTION, OPENING UP THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION?

NO, SIR, THERE IS NONE.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION, CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. OPENING FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND ACTION.

MOVE APPROVAL.

FROM MS NORTHEY AND SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON. FURTHER DISCUSSION? AS TO SEEING NONE, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO CARRIED.

YOU GOT IT. I GOT THE FLOW GOING HERE. ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 18, OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE CITY OF PORT ORANGE CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, NON-TRANSPORT. MR. WOLCOTT. STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.

MARK WOLCOTT EMERGENCY MEDICAL ADMINISTRATION. THE CITY OF PORT ORANGE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR THE NEW EXISTING SERVICE WITHOUT MODIFICATION. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

ANY FURTHER STAFF FOR DISCUSSION OR REPORT? AS TO SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE STAFF REPORT SECTION. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THIS MATTER.

NO, SIR, THERE'S NONE.

SEEING AS THERE IS NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN THIS MATTER WE WILL HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OPEN UP THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND ACTION.

I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MS CUSACK.

SECOND.

SECOND FROM MS NORTHEY? FURTHER DISCUSSION? AS TO SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. ITEM 19. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RENEWAL OF CITY OF SOUTH DAYTONA CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, NON-TRANSPORT. STAFF REPORT, SIR.

MARK WOLCOTT EMERGENCY MEDICAL ADMINISTRATION. CITY OF SOUTH DAYTONA HAS SOUGHT RENEWAL OF THEIR EXISTING COPCN FOR ADVANCE LIFE SUPPORT NON-TRANSPORT, NO MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING SERVICE AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

ANY FURTHER STAFF REPORT? AS TO SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE STAFF REPORT SECTION. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS HEREBY OPEN. MS ZIMMERMAN.

NO, SIR, THERE IS NONE.

WE WILL HEREBY CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SEEING THAT THERE IS NOBODY SPEAKING. WE HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN THE COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION AND ACTION.

MOVE APPROVAL.

SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM MS DENYS AND A SECOND FROM MS NORTHEY. FURTHER DISCUSSION? AS TO SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. Y GOT IT.

OPEN PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE MODIFICATION OF THE VOLUSIA COUNTY CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY ALS TRANSPORT. [ CHANGE IN CAPTIONER ]

WOMAN

WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORTING SECTION OF ITEM 20. OPEN UP PUBLIC PARTICIPATION MS. ZIMMERMAN.

NO, SIR.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. AND WE WILL OPEN UP THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL. MOTION FROM APPROVAL FROM MR. PATTERSON.

AS MODIFIED?

AS MODIFIED.

THANK YOU.

DO I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND.

I HAVE A SECOND FROM MISS NOR THINK.

UNANIMOUS 6-0.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE 30 MINUTES BEFORE WE WILL TAKE A LUNCH BREAK. THERE IS A 12:30 LUNCHEON IN CHAMBERS. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.

IS IT AT 12:30?

YES.

YOU HAVE A 12:30 LUNCHEON WITH THE CHAMBERS. SO YOU MAY WANT TO DO STAFF TIME. NOT STAFF TIME BUT COUNCIL TIME.

YEP. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GO WITH THAT. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND JUST START RIGHT DOWN THIS LITTLE LINE. DID WE GET THROUGH ALL OF OUR APPOINTMENTS THIS

YES, SIR, YOU DID.

WE DID DOLL ALL THE APPOINTMENTS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT MR. PATTERSON DO YOU HAVE ANY COUNCIL COMMENTS? CLOSING COMMENTS FOR TODAY?

ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO BRING UP AND I BROUGHT THIS UP OVER AT THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TPO. SINCE WE ARE SO HOT ON LOOKING AT ROAD PROGRAMS THAT QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL, WE WERE LOOKING AT ON STATE ROAD 44 TRYING TO MOVE -- HOOKING UP THE BEERSFORD ROAD IN THERE. I GOT ON THE TPO LIST. I THINK IT'S ON THE TPO LIST FOR 2035 BUT WE'VE GOT SOME LANDOWNERS AROUND THAT AREA, AROUND THE COLLEGE AND WE'VE GOT A TREMENDOUS TRAFFIC PROBLEM. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GO ABOUT GETTING THIS TAKEN CARE OF. THE SECRETARY OF -- THE DISTRICT SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION IS VERY AWARE OF THE PROBLEM. AND I GUESS WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE A RESOLUTION OR SUPPORT FROM THE COUNTY TO DO SOMETHING. AND I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH THIS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LANDOWNERS THAT ARE WILLING. IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW WILLING THEY ARE WHEN IT COMES TO RIGHT AWAY ACCUSATION, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS SOME OF THE LAND OVER THERE. IT WAS DESTINED TO BE A NEW HIGH SCHOOL AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ISN'T ANY DESIRE TO PUT ANOTHER HIGH SCHOOL IN THE CITY OF DELAND. OR IN THIS AREA. SO WHAT SAY YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS?

IT WOULD COME OFF OF STATE ROAD 44 KIND OF GO OVER BY PAST 4139 WHICH IS SUMMIT WHICH GOES BY THE FRONT OF THE STATE COLLEGE AND HOOK UP TO BEERSFORD. THERE IS A GAS LINE RIGHT AWAY OVER THERE. ON A LOT OF MAPS IT'S SHOWN AS SOUTH KEPLER FROM THE OLD DAYS. TO E LEAVEUATE THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TRAVELED THAT ROAD BUT EVERY MORNING, NOON, AND AFTERNOON IT'S PACKED WITH THOUSANDS OF CARS TRYING TO GET INTO DELAND OR GET OUT OF DELAND. WHAT YOU HAVE IS A FOUR LANE ROAD. IT GOES TO A TWO LANE ROAD AND THAT IS WHERE THE TRAFFIC JAM IS. IF YOU GET UP TOWARD KEPLER AND 44, I KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME PLANNED CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR. I THINK IT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IF WE CAN MOVE IT OVER THERE TO THE BERESFORD.

WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT D.O.T. HAS THIS ON THEIR RADAR NOW. THERE IS A GROUP OF PROPERTY OWNERS WORKING TO BRING FORWARD A UNITED POSITION IN TERMS OF WHAT ROUTE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO THEIR PROPERTY INTERESTS. SO I THINK THE PLANETS ARE ALIGNING IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN WITH D.O.T. FUNDING. A RESOLUTION WOULD PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE BUT I THINK IT IS MOVING THROUGH THE TPO AND THEY SAY WE HAVE THE RIGHT PARTIES PAYING ATTENTION TO IT RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T THINK IT'S MOVING THROUGH THE TPO AT THIS TIME. I THINK WHAT WE NEED IS A RESOLUTION.

EXACTLY A RESOLUTION TO THE TPO.

I GUESS THERE IS ALSO AN ISSUE WHERE THIS WILL BECOME A CITY ROAD OR COUNTY ROAD OR WHATEVER. AND MR. BRITAIN IS OVER THERE LOOKING ANXIOUS AT THE MOMENT.

I HAD MAPS AT IT BUT I WAS IN THE ECONOMY COMMISSION AND I LEFT MY FOLDER, BINDER THERE. MY WHOLE LIFE HISTORY IS THERE AT THE MOMENT.

ALL RIGHT MISS NORTHEY.

THANK YOU MR. DAVIS. I MET WITH ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL. I'M JUST INTRIGUED BY WHAT MR. MANAGER SAID THIS MORNING. BECAUSE THERE ARE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES AND PROPERTY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PURCHASED. WE HAD A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH A PRIVATE LANDOWNER WHO IS NOT NECESSARILY KNOWN TO LIKE GOVERNMENT MUCH. [ LAUGHTER ] DONATED. AND THAT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE GO INTO THIS WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. IT OPENS UP DEVELOPMENT. THERE SAN OBJECTIVE BY THEM -- THERE IS AN OBJECTIVE BY THEM TO OPEN UP. THEIR DONATIONS WILL BE WELL RECEIVED TO ME. WE DON'T HAVE CASH TO BE PAYING FOR A LOT OF RIGHT OF WAY. BUT I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THERE IS STILL, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS FAR ALONG AS YOU THINK SO. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT ALIGNMENT. I THINK THERE IS QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE WOULD PUT IT THROUGH THE TPO PROCESS. I THINK THERE IS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT ROAD BECOMES A CITY ROAD? A COUNTY ROAD? THOSE ARE UNANSWERED AND I'M NOT PREPARED TODAY TO MOVE ANY RESOLUTION TO THE TPO BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. AND WITH TRANSPORTATION COSTS, WE HAVE GOT TO START LOOKING AT THOSE OBJECTIVES. HOW DO WE FUND ROADS AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THEM AFTERWARDS? WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND I DON'T THINK DELAND HAS TAKEN A POSITION EITHER, MR. PATTERSON. SHE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE REAL EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.

SHE HASN'T BEEN IN ANY OF THE OTHER MEETINGS.

HAVE THEY HAD A CONVERSATION PUBLICLY IN DELAND?

I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MEETING WE HAD WITH THE CITY STAFF. AND THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IF IT WAS TO BE PUT ON A PROPERTY LIST, THEY ARE WILLING TO PUT SOME MONEY UP FOR THE PD & E.

THAT IS NOT CONSTRUCTION.

I KNOW. THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS THOUGH. AND I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST TRYING TO SOMEHOW YOU'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.

I AGREE.

AND THIS THING WAS IF THIS THING HAD GONE THROUGH BACK IN LATE '90s IT WOULD BE DONE.

I AGREE IT'S A NEEDED ROADWAY, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AS MATURE AS WE THINK IT IS. AND THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

IT WAS PRETTY MATURE QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO. IT JUST GOT KICKED OUT. THERE WERE A LOT OF POLITICAL ISSUES GOING ON. I CAME OFF THE COUNCIL. AND AFTER THAT IT GOT PUT UP INTO 2035 IS THAT RIGHT?

HOW WOULD WE FUND THE CONSTRUCTION, MARY? I LOOK AT WHAT IS LEFT IN THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN FOR ZONE ONE AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO SWAP OUT A PROJECT.

WE WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT FUNDING IT. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT D.O.T. FUNDING IT.

ABOUT WHAT?

D.O.T. FUNDING.

THE WHOLE THING?

SURE.

DO THEY KNOW THAT? BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT.

WELL, AS YOU SAY THERE ARE CERTAINLY ISSUES. WE HAVE NO MONEY FOR THIS NOW. THAT BEING SAID, IT'S A NEW ROAD. THIS HAS BEEN THE TICKET I THINK WE ARE NOW DOING ORANGE CAMP. THAT SPEAKS FOR THE IMPACT.

THERE IS A KEPLER ROAD INTERSECTION AND THE ORANGE CAMP ROAD ARE THE ONLY TWO PROJECTS LEFT IF IN THAT ZONE.

JERRY CAN SPEAK TO HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH D.O.T..

SUBSEQUENT TO THE MEETING THAT MR. PATTERSON IS MENTIONING, I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM PRANK ODAY AND HE SAYS THEY ARE PREPARED TO FUND THE UPDATE FOR THE PD & E STUDY. THEY DID A STUDY YEARS AGO. THEY ARE PREPARED TO FUND THAT. HE SAYS WE CANNOT FUND IT WITHOUT IT BEING ON THE PRIORITY LIST OF THE TPO. WE WANT TO DO IT. WE HAVE THE MONEY. WE ARE READY TO DO IT NOW. BUT IF YOU AND PERHAPS IF THE CITY WOULD BE COAPPLICANTS, THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED. AND I HAVE TALKED TO CITY ABOUT THIS. WE PASS RESOLUTIONS REQUESTING THE TPO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF D.O.T. BEING ABLE TO SPEND FEDERAL MONEY TO DO THE UPDATE. HE ALSO ADDED WE PERHAPS ARE EVEN WOULD BE PREPARED TO DO THIS PROJECT AS A STATE PROJECT IF IT MATURED TO THAT POINT. HE SAID IT'S OFF SYSTEM. MEANING IT'S NOT A STATE ROAD. SO WE CAN'T USE STATE MONEY. THAT IS NOT ALLOWED. THEY WOULD HAVE TO USE FEDERAL MONEY. AND SO THAT IS WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. RIGGER AT THE CITY AND THEY'RE PREPARED TO I THINK, IN A MONTH OR SO, THEY WERE WILLING TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COMMISSION A REQUEST TO PLACE IT ON THE PRIORITY LIST WITH THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF ALLOWING SO THAT D.O.T. CAN FUND ALIGNMENT AND PURPOSE AND NEED.

THERE IS A PROCESS IN THE TPO THAT WE HAVE USED FOR YEARS AND IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY YOU ARE ASKING THE TPO TO WORK OUTSIDE THAT PROCESS. IS THAT ACCURATE?

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROCESS IS.

WELL, PROJECTS GO ON AND THEY MOVE UP. THEY DO NOT ADVANCE IN FRONT OF OTHERS.

THEY ARE JUST SAYING THEY CAN'T FUND IT UNLESS IT'S ON THE PRIORITY LIST. BUT I WOULD THINK.

AREN'T WE IN THE CALL FOR PROJECTS NOW? ISN'T THIS THE TIME WE'RE IN THE CALL FOR PROJECTS? THE TPO RIGHT NOW. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE CALENDAR.

I'M NOT AWARE.

TYPICALLY IT'S A LOCAL PROJECT AND WE WANT TO GET IT ON THAT LIST TO FUND THE CONSTRUCTION AND ALL OF THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THERE IS A PROCESS THAT THEY COULD JUST SIMPLY PUT IT ON THERE WITH THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF FUNDING THE PD & E.

WE ASKED THE THEM TO WORK WITH THE STAFF AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY ON THIS. BUT I DO THINK THERE IS SOME QUESTION ABOUT OWNERSHIP OF THE ROAD. WHO OWNS THE ROAD AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT GOING FORWARD. AND THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THOSE WILL BE QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO LOOK AT WHEN THIS COMES BACK.

BOTH THE CITY STAFF AND COUNTY STAFF WERE VERY CLEAR WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY AND THAT IS WHERE FRANK OH DAY SAID PERHAPS EVEN THEY WOULD BE THE ONES DOING IT. BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE UNANSWERED. AND AS FAR AS LAND IT WAS EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THE LANDOWNERS WERE WILLING TO DONATE ANY LAND NEEDED.

DID YOU UNDERSTAND IT AS A DONATION? I DID NOT UNDERSTAND IT AS A DONATION.

THERE IS TALK. AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THE LANDOWNERS TOGETHER. THAT IS A COMPLICATED HEART OF THIS THING. THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS OUT THERE.

THIS SAYS THE PROPERTY OWNERS MIGHT BE PURR SUEDED TO MAKE -- PERSUADED TO MAKE THE RIGHT OF WAY AVAILABLE UNDER FAVORABLE TERMS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT FAVORABLE MEANS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FAVORABLE TERMS ARE. THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT STOPS IT DEAD.

IT WAS A GOOD IDEA YEARS AGO. IT'S A GOOD IDEA TODAY. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS TO ME. I MET WITH ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. I SAT IN THE TPO MEETING, EXECUTIVE MEETING AND HEARD OUR COLLEAGUE DELAND EXPRESS SOME INTEREST. UNTIL IT'S SETTLED AND THE FINAL OWNERSHIP ISSUED IS RESOLVED, I WILL BE LISTENING VERY CAREFULLY AND NOT MAKE ANY POSITION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING START SOMEWHERE. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR THE CITY.

IT'S IN THE CITY THOUGH. ISN'T THAT IN THE CITY? WOULDN'T THAT ROADWAY BE IN THE CITY?

PORTIONS OF IT.

ALL RIGHT MR. ECKERT. YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THE SUBJECT?

I WAS UNCLEAR IF WHAT WAS BEING ASKED. IS IT TO PLACE IT ON NEXT AGENDA? OR AGENDA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE?

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COUNCIL SUPPORT IS ON THIS ISSUE AT THE MOMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO GET IT ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED ALODGE THE WAY AND SEE WHERE -- ALONG THE WAY AND SEE WHERE THE CITY IS. SO MAYBE --

MAYBE 30 DAYS OUT. MAYBE WE SHOULD GIVE THEM ABOUT A MONTH.

YEAH ABOUT A MONTH PUT IT ON THERE.

RESOLVE SOME STAFF ISSUES.

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT I CAN PROBABLY CUT LOOSE TO LOBBY THE CITY ON THAT.

THIS COULD BE LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THE CITY OF EDGEWATER AND TIMING IS EVERYTHING. THE CITY KNOWS THERE IS INTEREST FOR THE COUNCIL TO GO FORWARD IN FUNDING SOURCES AVAILABLE AND THE POLITICAL WILL TO DO THIS. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE IMPIETIES TO SPEED IT UP.

IS THERE FUNDING?

POSSIBLE FRAT FUNDING -- POSSIBLE FEDERAL FUNDING.

THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT BETWEEN F-D.O.T., THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. IT'S JUST EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT EACH OTHER'S WALLET.

THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO SAY IT. [ LAUGHTER ]

PROBABLY VERY ACCURATE.

THE WALLETS ARE ON A TABLE.

MR. WAGNER YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE.

YOU COULD HAVE CHIMED IN AT ANY TIME.

I WAS BEING PATIENT. I SAY I SUPPORT PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA.

I WILL AGREE I SUPPORT PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME LINE AS FAR AS THE CITY AND COUNTY. THIS WILL BE A JOINT JURISDICTION. I'M WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE CITY OF DELAND WOULD LIKE TO DO.

I WOULD LIKE TO IF WE CAN MOVE TO HAVE THIS PUT ON THE AGENDA IN 30 DAYS.

30 DAYS WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. IN THE INTERIM WE'LL HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITIES. WITH THE CITY. AND SEE WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.

ALL RIGHT I HAVE A MOTION TO PUT IT ON 30 DAYS. SECOND FROM MS. NORTHEY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

I.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? IT SHALL BE PUT ON THE AGENDA IN 30 DAYS. ANYTHING ELSE?

JUST ONE OTHER THING. LAST NIGHT I WAS IN DEBERRY ON BEHALF OF TEAM VOLUSIA THE RENEWAL OF TEAM VOLUSIA WITH THE CITY OF DEBERRY. IT'S AMAZING THAT SOMETHING THAT COST LESS THAN $10,000 TOOK SO LONG TO ACCOMPLISH BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ASKED AND WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING IN THERE WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS IN NO WAY GOING TO SUPPORT TEAM VOLUSIA. AND AFTER THE QUESTIONS HAD BEEN ASKED, WE DID GET UNANIMOUS SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE. COMMISSION MEMBERS.

YOUR POWERS OF PERSUASION.

I WAS THERE TO SUPPORT JOHN WADDLEMAKER. HE IS A GREAT CHAIRMAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A COUPLE WEST SIDERS OUT THERE. AND IT EXPLAINS WHAT TEAM VOLUSIA BRINGS IN. WE HAVE A HECK OF A SALESPERSON. I'VE BEEN IN SALES 36 YEARS SO THAT IS HOW I APPROACH EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING STARTS WITH A PERSON MAKING A SALE. AND KEITH AND THE JOB THAT HE DOES HE WAS OUT IN ENGLAND FOR AN AVIATION THING AT ONE OF THE BIGGEST AVIATION PROJECTS. HE NOTICED THAT THE FLORIDA DELEGATION WAS STANDING AROUND TALKING TO EACH OTHER. KEITH WAS OUT TALKING TO PROSPECTS. HE IS REALLY AGGRESSIVE WITH THAT. BUT IT'S HIS JOB TO BRING PROSPECTS IN. IT'S UP TO THE CITIES AND THE COUNTY TO WORK THE PROSPECTS. AND DECIDE WHAT IS GOING ON. WHEREAS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT EVERYBODY THINKS WHY WE HAVE THE TWO WHEN THE ONE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN HOUSE IS FOR SUPPORTING EXISTING BUSINESSES AND BUILDING NET. AND THAT GROUP IS DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB. AND FROM THAT IS WHAT REALLY CLENCHES THE DEAL. TO PASS THE $2 MILLION DEAL IN TWO MINUTES. BUT IT TOOK AWHILE BUT I THINK TEAM VOLUSIA GOT IT. REALLY LOOKED GOOD LAST NIGHT. AND I WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF DEBERRY FOR SUPPORTING TEAM VOLUSIA ON THAT. I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR LETTING ME CONTINUE TO SERVE ON TEAM VOLUSIA. I'M HAVING A HECK OF A TIME. I ENJOY IT. I THINK IT'S JUST AMAZING. FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T GO TO THE MEETINGS THAT ARE SO CRITICAL OF IT IF YOU WENT IN AND SAW THE VARIOUS PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE AND WITH ANY SALE, YOU'VE GOT TO KNOCK ON A LOT OF DOORS. I'M USED TO REJECTION. WHEN YOU SELL LIFE INSURANCE YOU HAVE TOP UNDERSTAND REJECTION. YOU HAVE TO KNOCK ON A LOT OF DOORS BEFORE YOU GET SOMEBODY THAT SAYS YES. I'M PRETTY THICK SKINNED. THANK YOU DEBERRY. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT LAST NIGHT.

ALL RIGHT MR. WAGNER DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WOULD TAKE ABOUT SIX MINUTES?

NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP TEAM VOLUSIA THANK YOU FOR BEING A TEAM MEMBER AND GO TO THOSE. AND SEEING KEITH IN ACTION, I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED. I THINK IT IS A WORTHWHILE INVESTMENT FOR US TO MAKE. I THINK IN THE BEGINNING IT WAS DIFFICULT BECAUSE TURF WARS AND HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT KEITH IS THE SOLUTION TO IT WORKING. AND I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED. HE'S A VERY HARD WORKER. HE'S ASSEMBLED A GREAT TEAM. I THINK THEIR CHAIR IS EXCELLENT. HE IS EXCELLENT. I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS GOTTEN BEHIND IT. I APPRECIATE THE CITIES GETTING BEHIND IT. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW MY APPRECIATION TO KEITH NORTON. AND I HAVE TO APPLAUD ROB EARHART AND RICK KARL AND OUR TEAM FOR HELPING THIS WORK I BELIEVE IT'S WORKING IN VOLUSIA COUNTY AND I'M GLAD TO SEE IT. THANK YOU.

I AGREE. AGREE IT WAS A LITTLE SLOW START FROM LAST YEAR BUT HE'S UP TO SPEED. MS. CUSACK WOULD YOU LIKE TO SIX MINUTES? THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT BEFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK FOR LUNCH.

NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

OKAY MISS DINNEEN'S.

I HAVE ONE MINUTE. I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A CONSTITUENT THAT JUST NEEDS A RIGHT OF WAY CLEARED AND IT'S ACTUALLY A TRAFFIC ISSUE ON A1A. WHO DO I FORWARD THIS TO?

JOHNNY AND JULIE.

I WILL SEND THIS TO HIM. I'M SURE HE ALMOST TAKE CARE OF IT. OTHER THAN MY PROCLAMATION I'M GOOD.

HELEN WAIT GETS IT.

OKAY I WILL SEND IT TO HIM.

ALL RIGHT. MS. NORTHEY.

I GOT IT. I GOT IT.

THANK YOU. I HAD SOMETHING BUT I WILL BE DARNED IF I CAN REMEMBER IT NOW. SO I'M DONE. [ LAUGHTER ]

OKAY. I DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL TAKE A LITTLE LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES. SO I WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT FOR THIS AFTERNOON. SIR.

YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF TIME.

OKAY. BUT I'VE GOT SOMETHING I'VE GOT TO DO. BYE. [ LAUGHTER ]

YEAH WHY DON'T WE TAKE 30 MINUTES FOR OURSELVES BEFORE WE GO DOWNSTAIRS.

SAY WHAT?

TAKE 30 MINUTES FOR OURSELVES BEFORE WE GO DOWN.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST. I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET.

I'VE GOT TO READ THIS. QUESTIONS I NEED TO ASK. FOR QUICK CLARIFICATION. SO I WILL ASK THAT THIS AFTERNOON. SO WE WILL RECONVENE HERE AT 2:00 P.M.. WE HAVE A 12:30 THING DOWNSTAIRS SO WE WILL SEE EACH OTHER THERE. WE'RE IN RECESS.

GAVEL. GOOD AFTERNOON. IT'S ABOUT 12 MINUTES AFTER TWO. CONTINUING ON WITH VOLUSIA COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND OUR NORMAL MEETING.

ITEM NO. 50. -- RESOLUTION TO ELIMINATE SPLIT ZONING ON PROPERTIES. THIS IS OR SECOND READING, AM I CORRECT?

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR.

TO CLARIFY, IT ITEM 58.

I WASN'T WEARING MY GLASSES. IT WAS ITEM 58.

THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE REZONING FOR VERY PARTICULAR PROPERTIES AT THE PROPERTY OWNERS REQUEST. THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES SINCE THE FIRST HEARING LAST MONTH. WITH THAT WE ASK THE COUNTY COUNCIL ADOPT AT THE SECOND HEARING.

MR. PATTERSON?

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL.

SECOND.

MOTION FROM MR. PATTERSON AND SECOND FROM MR. WAGNER.

I HAVE A COMMENT. THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE WORK. THIS IS A LONG TIME COMING FOR THOSE FOLKS UP THERE AND THEY ARE VERY VERY HAPPY AND ACTUALLY EXTENDING IT ON TO THE SEVILLE AREA WAS VERY GOOD. YOU GUYS ARE WONDERFUL. MAKE ME SMILE. MAKE ME LOOK GOOD, TOO.

ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR OF RESOLUTION CASE Z 14-054 . SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE ?

AYE.

OPPOSED? >> THIS ITEM PASSES. NEXT ITEM 59. PROPOSED MERGE ARE OF THE VOLUSIA LEAGUE CITIES AND VOLUSIA COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS.

THERE IS GOING TO BE A VOTE ON THIS LATER THIS MONTH. THE DIRECTOR IS HERE. I THINK SHE CAN BEST ADDRESS THE PROPOSAL THAT'S ON THE TABLE FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.

MY NAME IS MARY SWITERS FROM THE VOLUSIA GOVERNMENT. OUR ADDRESS IS 2570, I SB WEST 100 DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA.

THE REASON WHY THIS MERGER STARTED WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION AS TO WHICH ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS DID WHAT AND THE SEVERAL OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WANTED TO GET MORE INVOLVED INTO THE ORGANIZATIONS BUT THERE REALLY WASN'T A WAY TO DO THAT. SO NOW WITH THIS MERGER WE ARE NOT ONLY REBRANDING THE SERVICES WE ARE DOING NOW, BUT WE ARE OPENING A LOT OF THINGS UP TO NOT ONLY OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT STAFF AS WELL AS CITIZENS. SO, THE TASK FORCE TEAM WORKED TOGETHER FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED AT THE VOLUSIA LEAGUE OF CITIES DINNER. AND IT'S COMING BEFORE ON THE 25TH OF AUGUST. IN THIS PROPOSAL, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT THE RENAMING GO TO VOLUSIA LEAGUE, NOT VOLUSIA LEAGUE OF CITIES, JUST VOLUSIA LEAGUE. YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKET INFORMATION AND QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE GOTTEN REGARDING THE LEAGUE OR THIS MERGER. GREAT. AND IN THAT IT ALSO REFLECTED A FLOWCHART THAT INDICATED TO BE BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR DIFFERENT DIVISIONS. LEADERSHIP, LEGISLATIVE, EDUCATION AND NETWORKING. JUST PURE OUT NETWORKING. SO THIS WAY WE ARE TRULY SEPARATING THAT ARM OFF FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST LIKE TO COME TOGETHER AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS, BUT NOW WE CAN FOCUS ON EDUCATION. WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING A LOT MORE EDUCATION THINGS LIKE ON THE FOURTH THURSDAY OF EVERY OTHER MONTH WE ARE HOLDING A CLASS OF SOME KIND AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. WE'LL GET THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OR OTHER GROUPS TO COME DOWN AND GIVE THESE COURSES TO ALL OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS OR HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING CITIZENS ARE INTEREST IN. THE DIVISION WILL HAVE A COMMITTEE. EACH DIVISION WILL HAVE A COMMITTEE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE MARY WILL BE DECIDING ON WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA AND THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE MORE INPUT AND A LOT MORE INVOLVEMENT OF THIS NEW ORGANIZATION. THE VOLUSIA COUNTY IS A MEMBER OF VE KOG AND WE HAVE ASKED EACH REPRESENTATIVE TO COME BACK TO THE GOVERNING BOARD EVEN IF YOU APPROVE THIS OR IF YOU DON'T TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. PRESENTLY WE KNOW OF NO OTHER CITY THAT HAS REFUSED THIS OR HAD ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE MERGE. SO, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

MR. WAGNER? COUNCILMAN WAGNER: MY REQUEST WAS IN SUPPORT. IS IT JUST THAT. ALL I SEE IS IT'S DIRECTION. DO YOU JUST WANT SOMETHING FROM US?

YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR REPRESENTATIVE WHICH IS COUNCILMEMBER DOUG DANIELS COME BACK WITH THIS APPROVAL FROM THIS MERGE FROM THE COUNTY AS THE OTHER REPRESENTATIVE WILL COME FORWARD FROM THEIR CITY.

OKAY. SO DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO A RESOLUTION OR SAY I SUPPORT THIS THING. WE HAVE TO HAVE A MAJORITY VOTE ANYWAY.

WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION FOR SUPPORT.

OKAY. I PUT OUT A MOTION TO SUPPORT.

A MOTION TO SUPPORT AND SECOND FROM MS. COUSIN AK CUSAC.

I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE AND THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IT. THEY ARE SAYING WE ARE NOT A MEMBER THIS AND YOU ARE FORCING US BECAUSE THEY ARE OF SOME INSURANCE COST.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INSURANCE WHATSOEVER. THIS IS ALTHOUGH, THIS ORGANIZATION IS NOT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE VE KOG. IT GOING TO BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ENTITY. THEY ARE NOT A PART OF VE KOG, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE, WE ARE NOT ASKING THEM TO GIVE US THEIR OPINION, BUT WHEN WE GO BACK OUT WITH WHAT THIS NEW ORGANIZATION IS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO OFFER, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME, THEN THEY CAN JOIN IT.

SO --

THEY WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR NEW COMMISSION FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS OR 2 YEARS.

SO THIS IS ANOTHER COMMITTEE IN ADDITION TO VE COG?

NO. BOTH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS --

AND YOU ARE GOING TO CREATE THIS LEAGUE.

IT'S CALLED VOLUSIA LEAGUE. THIS WAY IT'S NOT JUST, IF YOU HAVE A GROUP OF CITIZENS THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. SOMETIMES THEY WANT TO HAVE A GROUP OF CITIZENS THAT COME TOGETHER, WE ARE THAT BODY THAT CAN BRING PEOPLE TO THE TABLE AND LET THEM DISCUSS IT AND IF THEY NEED TO GET BACK WITH THE COUNTY OR IF THEY NEED TO GO BACK TO ALL THEIR GOVERNMENTS WHERE THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DECIDED, WE ARE GOING TO BE THERE TO JUST BE THAT ASSISTANCE TO BRING THE PEOPLE TOGETHER AND BETTER IN EDUCATION, THINGS WE'LL BE ABLE TO OFFER. BECAUSE YEARS PAST VE COG USED TO OFFER CLASSES TO CITIZENS AND WE CAN DO THAT AGAIN. HOW GOVERNMENT DOES BUDGETING, HOW PROPERTY TAX, THE EXPLANATION OF THEIR TAX NOTICE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH LITTLE CLASSES ON EACH SIDE OF THE COUNTY AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AGAIN AND GET CITIZENS INVOLVEMENT AS WELL AS STAFF'S INVOLVEMENT. RIGHT NOW STAFF'S INVOLVEMENT IS ONLY WHEN THERE IS A TASK FORCE CREATED AND GIVEN DIRECTION TO STAFF TO PARTICIPATE.

IS THERE AN INCREASE IN COST TO THIS MEMBERSHIP?

THE GOAL IS BECAUSE THIS ORGANIZATION WILL HAVE ASSOCIATE MEMBERS, THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO HAVE OUR ASSOCIATE MEMBERS FUND THE MAJORITY OF THIS. SO, YOU ARE GOING INTO A PARTNERSHIP WITH BUSINESSES AND GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE PROBLEMS, ANY SITUATION THAT HAPPENS IN OUR COUNTY DOESN'T JUST AFFECT GOVERNMENT, IT AFFECTS BUSINESSES, IT AFFECTS THE CITIZENS, IT AFFECTS EVERY FACET OF OUR COUNTY. THIS WAY, WITH EVERYBODY'S INVOLVEMENT AND WITH OTHER BUSINESSES CONTRIBUTING, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE BUSINESS AND THE GOVERNMENT. SO, THIS FIRST YEAR WE ARE NOT CHANGING OUR RATE AT ALL. IT'S DURING THIS FIRST YEAR THAT IT IS REQUESTED THAT A TRANSITIONAL TEAM PUT THIS WHOLE THING TOGETHER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT IN THIS IS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE MAYOR'S LIKE TO GET TOGETHER, THEY LIKE TO GET TOGETHER WITH YOU AND SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS TO HAVE A MAYOR'S MEETING UNDERNEATH LEADERSHIP. THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT CASUAL MEETING THAT THEY CAN, EVERYBODY CAN GET TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, HEY, HOW IS THIS IN YOUR COMMUNITY. NOTHING ON THE AGENDA UNLESS YOU GUYS ACTUALLY ASK FOR IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE OPEN IN THE SUNSHINE AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD. SO, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

NO. NOT FROM ME. I THINK I MADE MY POINT ON ALL OF THESE SUBORGANIZATIONS. ANYWAY, MR. PATTERSON?

I KNOW THERE IS A MOTION. MR. DANIELS HAS BEEN REPRESENTING US OVER THERE AND I WISH WE COULD DELAY ANY ACTION UNTIL HE IS HERE BEFORE WITH DO IT UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO GO AHEAD, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT UNTIL I GET SOME INPUT FROM MR. DANIELS SINCE HE HAS BEEN REPRESENTING US THERE.

IS THIS TIME SENSITIVE?

JUST FOR THE AUGUST 25TH, VE COG MEETING I HAVE ASKED EVERYBODY TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH HOW THEIR COMMISSION, COUNCIL VOTED.

THERE IS NO REASON WE CAN'T DELAY.

YEAH. LET'S MOVE TO DELAY.

THERE IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE. MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION THAT WE DO THIS ON, TAKE IT UP ON AUGUST 21ST MEETING.

I'M FINE WITH THE AMENDMENT.

OKAY. SO WE ARE ASKING, THERE IS A MOTION FOR POSTPONEMENT OR TABLE UNTIL THE 21ST.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE UP THE AMENDMENT AND THEN GET BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION. IF THE AMENDMENT FAILS THEN WE GO BACK.

I WILL AMEND MY MOTION.

JUST TAKE A QUICK VOTE ON IT.

WE'LL TAKE A QUICK VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT TO POSTPONE UNTIL THE 21ST.

I THINK WITH MR. WAGNER'S CONSENT WE CAN TAKE UP THE MATTER AT THAT TIME IF THAT'S YOUR WILL.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE UP THE AMENDMENT.

I WILL MAKE A SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT.

YEAH.

I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO VOTE ON A SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT.

THE EASIER WAY IS TO RESCIND THE MOTION.

I WILL RESCIND THE MOTION.

AND THEN SAY MOTION TO --

THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE BACK THE SECOND.

NOW IF SOMEBODY WOULD JUST MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL THE 21ST.

CONTINUE THIS TO THE 21ST.

SEE HOW EASY THIS IS.

NOT TO TABLE, TO CONTINUE.

I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE UNTIL THE 21ST. CAN I HAVE A SECOND?

SECOND. >> FAVOR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED?

OKAY. NEXT ITEM NO. 60. ORDINANCE 2014- 10 RESIDENTIAL OUTDOOR LIGHTNING STANDARDS. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

JAMIE DEPUTY ATTORNEY. MR. PATTERSON BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF NUISANCE LIGHTING TRESPASS THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS THE NEIGHBORS AND COUNCIL AUTHORIZED US TO DRAFT AND WRITE AN ORDINANCE. MS. McGEE IS DRAFTING THAT ORDINANCE FROM OUR OFFICE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE SEEN SOMETHING FROM SHANNON. SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB. YOU ARE UP, KELLY.

WE ARE GOING TO PUT SHANNON'S PHONE NUMBER OUT ON THE INTERNET. [ LAUGHTER ]

IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE. >> MR. CHAIR, I'M KELLY McGEE. COUNCIL DID DRAFT AN ORDINANCE THIS YEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR DRAFTING THIS ORDINANCE. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN SOME OTHER ORDINANCES COME THROUGH. WE ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE HER. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK HER FOR WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH JOHN. THEY HAVE WORKED TOGETHER TO DRAFT A VERY CONCISE ORDINANCE ON A VERY FAST TIMELINE. WE THANK THEM FOR THAT. APPLICABILITY. THIS ORDINANCE COVERS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS WELL AS DMREKZ DMREKZ. WHEN UPLEX. WHEN A PERSON SHINES A SPOTLIGHT WE HAVE NO ENFORCEMENT. THIS IS AN ENFORCEMENT REGARDING THE LIGHTING IN QUESTION. IF A PERSON RECEIVES THIS TICKET AND WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE THE CITATION, A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL MAKE THE DERJS DETERMINATION AND IT WILL APPEAL TO CIRCUIT COURT. FINALLY STAFF REQUEST ADDITIONAL DIRECTION TO DRAFT AN AMENDMENT TO THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A CURRENT PROCESS. TURTLE LIGHTING GO TO THE RESOURCE BOARD AND THAT CAN SIMPLIFY THAT PROCESS. IF COUNCIL LIKES THAT, WE CAN PROCEED WITH A SIMILAR AMENDMENT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT. WE ARE CLOSING STAFF REPORT. ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION?

NO, SIR.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, HOW DOES THIS REFLECT ON AGRICULTURAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THINGS LIKE THIS?

THIS IS ONLY FOR RESIDENTIAL, SPECIFICALLY FAMILY HOMES AND DUPLEXES.

OKAY.

SINCE I'M THE BLAME FOR THIS, AND I'M WELL AWARE OF THE SITUATION THAT BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM. I'M WONDERING IF THE FIRST TIME THEY ARE GOING OUT TO CITE THEM AND HIT THEM WITH A $50 FINE. OKAY. THEY WILL DO THAT. I GUESS WE CAN TAKE THIS UP AND THE OTHER ISSUE, GO AHEAD AND MOVE APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MR. PATTERSON. SECOND FROM MS. NORTHEY. DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL? SEEING NONE, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NO. 2014-10 RESIDENTIAL OUTDOOR LIGHTING STANDARDS. THIS IS A FIRST READING. WE ARE DOING A SECOND? NO. THIS IS IT. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE. THIS IS THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE".

AYE.

OPPOSED? SO CARRIED UNANIMOUS 6-0.

THAT WAS PAINLESS. THERE WE GO.

I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO APPLY THIS TOWARDS THE TURTLE LIGHTING. LOOKS LIKE MS. NORTHEY WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION.

I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION.

A MOTION TO AMEND THIS TO REFLECT ALSO ON THE TURTLE LIGHTINGS. IS THAT CORRECT?

THAT'S CORRECT.

DO I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON.

MICROPHONES, PLEASE?

THIS IS A MUST. WE HAVE TO DO THIS CORRECT?

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PROCESS. THE PROCESS IS ALL VIOLATIONS THAT ARE NOT RECTIFIED. WE GO THROUGH A LONG PROCESS THEY GO TO CODE BOARD. IT'S A VERY LENGTHY TIME CONSUMING PROCESS. THIS WOULD REALLY SIMPLIFY THAT PROCESS. THEY WOULD GO, IF THEY DON'T THINK THEY ARE ISSUED A CITATION. THEY TAKE IT TO A MAGISTRATE.

I TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU. IT MAKES SENSE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE".

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

WE WILL BRING AN ORDINANCE BACK STATING THAT THE TURTLE LIGHTING WILL GO THROUGH THE TICKETING SYSTEM PROBABLY IN A MONTH.

VERY WELL. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

WHERE WE LEFT OFFER BEFORE LUNCH WAS COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS AND EVERYBODY MADE THEIRS. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE ANSWERED AND WE'LL BE TAKING THAT UP LATER. MS. WEAVER AND I. WE'LL CONTINUE DOWN THE LINE TO MARYANN CONNORS. DO YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS?

NO, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MS. DIRECTOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS? YOU ARE KIDDING ME. OKAY. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOVE TO WHAT? MOVE TO CONTINUE WHAT, SIR? I WILL ENTERTAINMENT A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. I HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.

I SECOND MY OWN MOTION.

YOU CAN'T.

SECOND, MR. WAGNER. AUGUST 21ST? IS THAT CORRECT, MA'AM. WE WILL RECONVENE AUGUST 21ST. WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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