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Season 2 Ep 1 Brigid.mp3

Luci [00:00:14] Hi, I'm Luci.

Jordan [00:00:14] And I'm Jordan.

Luci [00:00:15] We are Two Feminists Annotating the Beatified. And this is Season two, episode one with Brigid of Kildare. Isn't this exciting?

Jordan [00:00:25] It's extremely exciting. We've talked on the phone, but I haven't seen your face and your podcasting setup in your new house in Kansas City. We haven't done the podcasting thing in such a long time. It's exciting to see you. How have you been?

Luci [00:00:45] I've been good. I know we're both in closets. I was going to make a joke, "Oh, my gosh, we haven't talked in four months!" But that's not true. We have talked recently because we are friends.

Jordan [00:00:54] But also guys, we're planners and also we needed to plan this season.

Luci [00:01:01] That's accurate. But when we left last time, we ended in May when things were kind of, you know, shut down and we were wondering how long they would be shut down. And guess what? They're still shut down.

Jordan [00:01:15] I know. I was going to make a joke about how we are podcasting in our closets. Like all the great podcasters nowadays. Fake Doctors, Real Friends is in closets doing it like it was cool. We were doing it before it was cool.

Luci [00:01:31] We were building podcast forts while all of these other schmucks were in studios with fancy equipment.

Jordan [00:01:38] It's true. We have handled this transition to at home podcasting so well. It's almost like we did it from the beginning.

Luci [00:01:47] It is. It is. Well, I am excited to be back. We wondered like, this is silly, but I really did wonder, like, oh, you know, people are listening to podcasts during the pandemic. I hope everyone is OK, maybe we should make some special episodes. And I think we even talked about that. But then we were busy doing our own pandemic lives. And here we are with season two. And the great thing is the pandemic hasn't gone anywhere. So there's still plenty of time to sit and listen to podcasts.

Jordan [00:02:15] Amen's sister, a man. So this season, we are covering one thousand years of Christian history. Last season, we covered the mothers and martyrs of the first four centuries of the Church's existence. And now we're getting into the fifth century. And this will this season will go all the way to the 16th century. So we're mostly covering the Christianization of Europe, the height of the power of queens and women religious in the medieval church through to the women who helped make the Reformation possible. So, yeah, lots and lots of change in this season.

Luci [00:03:03] Lots and lots of change.

Jordan [00:03:05] Hopefully we won't have the problem we had last season where we felt like, oh, this is just some other rich lady who gave her money to found a monastery.

Luci [00:03:13] I mean, I think there might still be some of that. It's funny, we were going through old listener mail and there were there there are people still working their way through to feminist annotate the Bible, which is awesome. And we've gotten some really sweet listener mails that are like, hey, thanks, this is great. But also, you're right that the profits get really old.

Jordan [00:03:34] Yes. And thank you all for your listener mails. They have really cheered us up this summer. We have not stopped reading them, even though we were not obviously reading them on air. So, yeah. Thank you to everyone who took the time to send us some stuff today. We are covering Saint Bridgid of Kildare. And I texted Lucy earlier this week that this episode is going to be four hours long because there is so much to say about Saint Brigid. We're really starting off with a bang.

Luci [00:04:04] Yeah. Buckle up. Hope you. I hope you've already had a bathroom break. Just kidding. It's a podcast. You can listen to why you go to the bathroom.

Jordan [00:04:12] Totally, totally.

Luci [00:04:14] Unlike a Zoom meeting, which you shouldn't do while you're going to the bathroom.

Jordan [00:04:18] I mean, if you turn your camera and microphone off.

Luci [00:04:21] No. I'm so paranoid that that somehow something will not work and then people will just be listening to you pee. Anyway, right.

Jordan [00:04:33] Next on Luci's Zoom anxieties... Shall we do our 30 second breakdown of Brigidine life? Are you ready to time me?

Luci [00:04:45] You have us already. Ready. I have a timer in my brain. On your mark. Get set. Go.

Jordan [00:04:53] Brigid is a patron saint of Ireland with Patrick and Columba. She was a fifth to sixth century Irish abbess whose feast day is on the Pagan Festival of Embold, which marks the beginning of spring. She founded multiple monasteries, notably Kildare and Orthodox. Wicky says that she was recognized as a saint within her lifetime because she's associated with folk miracles and legends, including some previously associated with the Celtic goddess. Some have said she never existed.

Luci [00:05:19] The end! You had you had almost like nine seconds left. My hand motions were not clear. I was telling you that you had gone for ten seconds, not that you had 10 seconds left. I felt you speed up. I was like, "Oh, I should have that that through!"

Jordan [00:05:34] I was like, oh, I have ten seconds left. I really want to get into the fact that some people believe she never existed, that she was just a Christian, Christianization of the Celtic goddess.

Luci [00:05:45] But you think maybe that's not the case, right? That she's not totally legendary.

Jordan [00:05:50] So I found so many different opinions. Right. Some have said that there I mean, there there definitely was a pre Christian goddess in Ireland whose name was Brigid. Some have said that this Brigid was named after her, which would make sense because she's right at the beginning of the Christianization of Ireland. And so her father in many stories was a druid and would name her after the goddess. So even after she got baptized and became a Christian. That would still be her name. Some people have said that she was a druid who became a Christian and then led the evangelization of the Ireland of the island.

Jordan [00:06:35] So it's it's not totally clear in in the late mid to late 20th century, many scholars were saying essentially that she just never existed at all, that this was just Christian monks, Christian men essentially co-opting the goddess. And there are I mean, the miracle stories about her really do mirror a lot of the legends about the goddess. Her monastery, Kildare maintained an eternal flame, which was kind of a thing with the goddess. Kildare means church of the Oak and Oaks were sacred to the goddess. But we also have very early sources about her.

Jordan [00:07:20] So if they made her up, they started the work very early after her life. Hmm, that's a tough one.

Luci [00:07:29] I really want her to be not legendary because I know how much you like her.

Jordan [00:07:34] I do like her. I like her a lot. I think that she is an important Christian historical figure. And to me, I like the idea that she was named after the goddess and that she represents this transition point, an actual human person who lived under pre-Christian Ireland and then was one of the leaders in creating Christian Ireland.

Luci [00:08:05] OK, I can't get on board with that.

Jordan [00:08:07] I mean, what do you know about her? You know that I like her, but I know that you heard this 30 second intro. What did you know about seeing Brigid?

Luci [00:08:15] Well, so until I heard this 30 second intro, I knew what you had told me about Saint Brigid because he worked her into conversations multiple times. Which should be no surprise to anyone. But I remember you talking about her. I can't remember what the context was. I'm sure it was a church thing.

Luci [00:08:33] We're talking about saints, but she perhaps turned a lake into beer.

Jordan [00:08:39] That is one of the miracle stories associated with her.

Luci [00:08:42] Yes. She perhaps accidentally became a bishop, but it still counts.

Jordan [00:08:47] Also, we'll get into it.

Luci [00:08:49] Right. Those are these are the big things that I remember. I know there are other parts of her life, but those are the big those were my big takeaways from our conversations, especially the idea that even if you accidentally get ordained, it's sticks. That's a real thing.

Jordan [00:09:07] So let's go through her life and order. Lives of Saint Brigid started to be written by Irish monks in the early 7th century, less than 100 hundred years after her reputed death, according to these lives. Brigid was the daughter of a Pict slave woman named Broca. The stories differ. So this she was possibly married to a chieftain. She was his mistress, second wife person. So there's also this like Hagar Ishmael thing where, like the chieftain's wife forced him to send Broca away when she got pregnant, when she got pregnant, when Brigid's mom got pregnant, Brigid's mom got pregnant with her other. In other stories, Brigid did grow up with her dad. But in all of the stories her dad sold her or attempted to sell her into slavery, whether that was while she was still in the womb or as an infant, Lent Madness, said that he sold her as a baby because he was hoping for a boy. Other versions of the story have him attempting to sell her to a king, sometimes Alster, sometimes Leinster, not totally sure. Some stories have her dad being the king of Leinster.

Jordan [00:10:25] We don't have a lot of clarity about this time period, but she was too generous. And so he was like in the castle negotiating the deal with this guy that he was trying to sell her to. And she gave his sword away to a beggar who asked for it.

Luci [00:10:46] She gave her dad's sword away?

Jordan [00:10:47] Yeah. While he was trying to sell her. Yes. Did she know he was trying to sell her in the story? I think so. But the reason in this version of the story that he was trying to sell her is that she was too expensive to keep because she kept giving all of their stuff away to poor people so that people would come and like ask for butter and she would give them butter constantly.

Luci [00:11:09] That's excellent that she was she was giving them out of house and home.

Jordan [00:11:15] She was giving them out of house and home. Exactly. So her dad was trying to get rid of her. I'm very disappointed in this dad. He's not a good dad.

Luci [00:11:26] Not a good dad!

Jordan [00:11:28] But she also performed miracles from a very early age, potentially prior to her baptism. Again, unclear. Right. All of her miracles are associated with healing and field feeding the poor-very Christ like. Very generous, according to the Brigidine Sisters in Australia. Twenty three of thirty two chapters in the first life of Bridgid concern her care for the poor.

Luci [00:11:56] OK, again, I can get behind that as well.

Jordan [00:12:00] She's also associated with assisting with household tasks traditionally related to women. There's a lot of dairy miracles, a lot of midwifery.

Luci [00:12:12] Is she the patron saint of loading the dishwasher correctly?

Jordan [00:12:15] Yes. It also really struck me this week because I just listen to that. You're wrong about episode about The Stepford Wives, where they talk about how whenever new technology is created, it just creates more work for women instead of less. And so the like mid century technology market of like the creation of vacuums and dishwashers and stuff like that promoted the idea that women could do less. But instead, we just came up with more work for women to do. And Brigid did not do that. But what Brigid helped with was alleviating getting in some women.

Luci [00:12:51] I haven't listened to that You're Wrong About yet. I'm a little bit behind and I'm savoring them. But that makes perfect sense because all of the sudden with a vacuum cleaner, the expectation now is that your floors must be vacuumed instead of it being OK, that your rugs get a little grimy periodically.

Jordan [00:13:06] Right. The idea of spring cleaning is no longer a thing because you should just be cleaning all the time.

Luci [00:13:11] Instead, Martha Stewart said you should do it every Saturday.

Jordan [00:13:14] Is that what she says?

Luci [00:13:15] No, I mean, look, I'm saying this hypocritically,because I use her list. But she has lists of what to do weekly, monthly and seasonally to keep your home in tip top shape. So, I mean, you know, I'm just saying there are there lists out there for what went to do weekly. I'm sure vacuuming is on that list. It's like this is a rabbit hole we don't have time for. But it's like the weird morality that gets associated with cleanliness in the same way that it gets associated with healthiness when those are amoral things.

Jordan [00:13:45] Right. How often should one do podcasting on Martha Stewart's list?

Luci [00:13:52] Probably less often than we're doing it. I don't know. That's not true. I don't want to be too hard on Martha. She's an entrepreneur. She would maybe say we're right on schedule.

Jordan [00:14:03] Maybe. Your home always looks lovely.

Luci [00:14:07] You're very kind and you can see my closet. So if anything was gonna be bad, it would be this closet!

Jordan [00:14:15] I'm admiring your shoe hanging rack that's right behind your head.

Luci [00:14:20] I will tell you if you want a space that smells nice to podcast, maybe don't do it where you store all your shoes.

Jordan [00:14:26] Accurate. That makes sense. I'm glad to be in a room away from my dog as opposed to in my old house where he would often just fart in my face while we were podcasting.

Luci [00:14:37] Yeah, dogs are sweet like that. They really are. So back to Brigid.

Jordan [00:14:41] Commonly told miracle stories involve turning something of water into beer. Sometimes it's a lake. Sometimes it's a barrel of beer. That's plenty for 18 villages. Sometimes it's like a never ending barrel of beer. So it'll last a monastery from Advent to Pentecost.

Luci [00:15:01] I love the barrel of beer that feeds 18 villages. It's like the Wedding and Cana and the Fishes and the Loaves all at the same time.

Jordan [00:15:09] Exactly. Exactly. Another story is that she asked the king of Leinster for a plot of land to build her monastery on. He refused to give her the amount that she wanted for life to support this monastery. And so she asked for as much as her cloak would cover. And he didn't really say no. He just kind of laughed at the idea. And she gave it to four maidens who ran in the four directions. And it grew magically to cover the land as far as they could run. And when he realized that it was going to cover essentially his entire kingdom, he asked her for mercy and said he would give her a decent plot. And she agreed as long as he took care of the poor. And so then the rest of his, like, rule, he would periodically not take care of the poor and she would go see him and be like, "Hey, so, I took off my cloak today and..." and like stretch it, and like wrap it around herself.

Luci [00:16:08] Like, oh, this stretchy cloak!

Jordan [00:16:12] Yeah, exactly, exactly. And then he would relent and remember the poor.

Luci [00:16:16] I like the idea of the cloak not being a miracle, but just being spandex before its time. And the ladies running being incredibly strong with this set of ten..would it be tensile fabric? Is tensile your flexibility?

Jordan [00:16:29] Yeah, I think so.

Luci [00:16:32] Also, I love the idea of this. So Clotilde, who will talk about later this idea has kind of a similar thing of working with a dude in power because you are subordinate in the social systems of the time to said dude, but using using your authority to still get him to be nice and not be quite such a grumpy, curmudgeonly king.

Jordan [00:17:01] Yes. So going back to what you were saying earlier, she was veiled as a nun around 468 and founded the Monastery of Kildare on the site of a Celtic temple to Bridgid in around 480 and some versions of the story habit that she was accidentally ordained bishop instead of Abbess.

Jordan [00:17:24] Other versions have the ordaining Bishop St.Mel of Armagh deliberately were dating her bishop after seeing a column of fire from heaven. And so you don't argue with a column of fire from heaven. And so it wasn't an accident. And maybe because he was a dude and he needed to politically, he played it off as an accident. But he, like, did it on purpose.

Luci [00:17:46] That's exactly how I've always imagined the story. After you told it to me that it was very much one of those things where it's like, oh, I, I have no idea. You're right. Ladies can't be bishops, but I, I've done it now and I can't undo it. So there you go.

Jordan [00:18:02] It is definitely true that Kildare has been ruled by a double order of Abbot bishops and abysses ever since, and the abysses of Kildare have been considered the superior general of all monasteries in Ireland.

Luci [00:18:17] Oooo! Superior General!

Jordan [00:18:18] Yes. Definitely her successors have had extraordinary authority for women in that time. And so whether it's because she was the first female bishop ever or some other tradition, definitely that's continued. I also love this story. I was going to just refer to her as my friend, which is how I refer to her in my book. But she's written about it for Lent Madness, so I'll name her. Megan Castillon was ordained on the Feast of Saint Brigid with a class of other people to be a deacon. And she's written about how her bishop accidentally said the word bishop when he laid his hands on her head. And then he said, Wait. I mean, priest. Wait. I mean, Deacon.

Luci [00:19:07] That's awesome. Triple whammy.

Jordan [00:19:09] Triple whammy. Skipped a couple steps. So anyway, apparently, if you get ordained on St. Brigid's Day, she might tell your bishop to accidentally ordain you a bishop as well.

Luci [00:19:24] Come intercede. I love that story. I also think if you get ordained on St. Brigid's Day, maybe you should just automatically be a bishop. I realize that would cause some problems with the hierarchical system of the church, but I just think that's funny.

Jordan [00:19:38] I mean, we could also just not do ordinations on the Feast of Saint Brigid terribly often.

Luci [00:19:43] Well, that would be the answer. Obviously, if people are like, wait, wait, wait. We can't have everybody becoming bishops. We're going to do it then. No ordinations on Saint Brigid's day.

Jordan [00:19:57] I looked at some Orthodox sources, which was really interesting. Right. So, I mean, she's Irish. She's from the Western Catholic tradition. Well, really, the Celtic Catholic tradition, but is very much part of the Roman Catholic tradition. And so I was curious about how the Eastern Orthodox would portray her. And they have a story that is not told in any of the Western sources I looked at, Anglican, Roman Catholic, anything.

Jordan [00:20:27] Apparently, she had a friend named Dora. And Dora was blind. And Bridgid was so sad that they were watching a sunset. They were sitting outside together on this beautiful Irish countryside. Brigid was admiring the beauty of the Emerald Isle and, you know, the sunset and the creatures and God's creation. And she was so sad that Dhara couldn't see it. So she healed. Dora's eyes and Dora looked around at the beauty and said, "It is wonderful to contemplate the beauty of God and creation, but it is better to contemplate the beauty of God in the soul" and so Bridgid re blinded her at her request.

Luci [00:21:11] Wow, what a great story about conversations on being differently abled and like disability and things like that.

Jordan [00:21:20] I know I was really intrigued that here's a story about an able-bodied person, assuming that they know what would be best for a disabled person and then being corrected by this person and listening to them and responding. Yeah. Like that. As such, it's such a powerful story.

Luci [00:21:47] Yeah, I really, really love that. I wonder I and I'm sure I wonder how that's written about in differently-abled communities doing, I mean, I know it's not theology-talking about saints-but I wonder if that narrative is coming up other places. I'm sure it is.

Jordan [00:22:06] I don't know. We could look it up. We could call the monastery Kildare.

Jordan [00:22:12] It's Credited with founding a school of art and medical metalworking, not medical working. Metal working. A scriptorium, which illuminated a beautiful book of Kildare which is unfortunately lost. Bridgid had a personal friendship and colleague ship with St. Patrick. Apparently, she once fell asleep during Patrick's sermon, which he found humorous and Refinery29, which compares her to Wonder Woman in their story about her claims that she had a vision during her sleep and shared it with everyone once she woke up, which again, to me feels like a justification just like St. Mel of Armagh being like, oh yeah, no, totally (I mean't to do that).

Jordan [00:22:57] It was an accident, but can't fix it now. She's like, oh yeah, no, I fell asleep, but God was giving me a vision.

Luci [00:23:04] Give me something. Right. Listen, there's a really important work happening here. It's hard to tell, but it is.

Jordan [00:23:12] I know it looks like I fell asleep, but actually that's not what's happening here.

Luci [00:23:18] That's funny.

Jordan [00:23:21] She had a successor named Dar Lucidoc, possibly the same as this Dara person. I'm not sure Dar fell in love with a young man. So Brigid put ember's in her shoes on a night when she was going to sneak out to meet him, fire to put out fire and save her from the fires of hell. According to her biographer, Dar confessed when it happened and Brigid healed her feet. And then Dar said that she desired to die with Brigid and Brigid said, no, you'll die in a year instead. So she also was on this feast day of February 1st St. Dar Lucidoc.

Luci [00:23:57] Oh, wait, so wait...Brigid put embers in her shoes because she was going on a date.

Jordan [00:24:04] Yes, but she was a nun. She wasn't supposed to go on a date.

Luci [00:24:08] Oh, OK.

Luci [00:24:11] All right. OK. I mean, maybe not my favorite part of the story, but, I mean, they were nuns. OK, I get it. You take a vow, right?

Jordan [00:24:19] Also, apparently, the bishop whose hand anointed Brigid with the last rites before she died, became encased in metal so it would never subsequently become impure.

Luci [00:24:32] I'm picturing Zoolander and David Duchovny when he's the watch model.

Jordan [00:24:39] I am not remembering what you're talking about at all.

Luci [00:24:42] David Duchovny as a watch model. And he has beautiful hands. And I think it was Zoolander. And he's got his hand encased in this, like, pressurized glass so it will never age. And I don't even remember what they're doing in the story. But essentially, Zoolander breaks the glass case. And David Duchovny is like, "My hand!" Anyway.

Jordan [00:25:03] Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Let's. Exactly that. It's just like this. It's just like this. She was buried to the right of the high altar in Kildare, which became a pilgrimage site in eight seventy eight. Her relics were moved to be with Patrick and Columba to protect them from Viking raids. Later, all three of them were reburied in Down Cathedral, which was destroyed by Henry the eighth in the Reformation. Apparently, her skull made it to Lisbon, but also Notre Dame, the university in Indiana, not the cathedral in Paris. Oh, claims to have some of her relics, but not her skull.

Luci [00:25:39] No.

Luci [00:25:40] I wonder, where do you think the University of Notre Dame keeps her?

Jordan [00:25:44] Relics?I do not know. I assume they have a reliquarium.

Luci [00:25:52] I guess it feels it feels more appropriate to have them in a monastery or church somewhere rather than like a university where sports teams are, you know, binge drinking on the weekends.

Luci [00:26:04] It just feels weird.

Luci [00:26:07] I get it. They have a church like my college at a church, too. But, you know, still, I don't know.

Jordan [00:26:13] I don't think that we're relics in your college's church, considering they were disciples of Christ.

Luci [00:26:19] You mean the disciples don't have relics? No.

Jordan [00:26:23] There was a Twitter poll going around a couple of weeks ago that was like, "How many bones should your church have?"

Luci [00:26:30] Well, oh, I guess our church. I mean, we have columbarium. I have a story for you. Speaking of sacred spaces where dead people live in churches and coming up with outdoor eating options for middle schoolers. It's a good story. I'll tell you after.

Jordan [00:26:45] Excellent. Love it. So Brigid is usually depicted with a lamp, a crosier and a Reed Cross, which is known as the Saint Brigid Cross. Apparently, as she sat beside a dying chieftain, possibly her father, she used the reeds on the floor to tell the story of Christ and the cross. The chieftain converted and was baptized. So people began to hang the cross over their homes to ward off evil.

Luci [00:27:08] And just for our listeners, because I totally know what this is. But what is a crosier?

Luci [00:27:13] Again, Crosier is the shepherd's crook that bishops carry.

Luci [00:27:18] Got it. Good listeners. Did you get that? Just kidding. Yes.

Jordan [00:27:25] She won the Silver Halo in Lent Madness in 2015, losing in the final round to St. Francis of Assisi.

Luci [00:27:33] Well, if you're gonna lose to anybody...

Jordan [00:27:34] She is the patron saint of Ireland, poets, dairymaids, blacksmiths, healers, cattle, fugitive Irish nuns, midwives and newborn babies.

Luci [00:27:48] Why is she the patron saint of fugitives and metal workers?

Jordan [00:27:53] The metalworkers is because she founded the school of metalworking. I don't know about fugitives, I guess because her dad tried to sell her.

Luci [00:28:00] OK. But why did she found a school for metal working again?

Jordan [00:28:03] I don't know. That was part of her monastery. They had to support themselves somehow.

Luci [00:28:07] That's true. You need a trade.

Jordan [00:28:10] Some legends with a loose view of the space time continuum, have her going back in time to serve as Mary's midwife and Jesus' wet nurse. I'm unclear since she was a virgin who never had children, how she could serve as a wet nurse. I thought that wet nurses were women who'd also recently had a baby. So they had milk to share.

Luci [00:28:34] Great question. I also believe that's true.

Jordan [00:28:37] Also, if she's magically going back in time five hundred years to be Jesus's midwife, I'm sure that we can have a miracle where she can also be Jesus' wet nurse.

Luci [00:28:47] Yeah, but also, Mary was poor. Didn't only rich ladies back then have wet nurses? Didn't poor women nurse their own babies.

Jordan [00:28:55] I think so. But yeah. Again, don't know. All right. She's known as Mary of the Gaile or Our Lady of the Irish. And according to Wikipedia, she is also worshiped in Haitian voodoo as the death loa, maman, Brigitte, although that might be the goddess or the Celtic goddess, is a separate death loa in Haitian voodoo.

Luci [00:29:19] OK, so some crossover there. There's some crossover. OK. Excellent.

Jordan [00:29:26] Now when it comes to prayers, fascinatingly, Brigid is not in the Anglican Church of Canada calendar. She is in the Episcopal Church is calendar. And I have the collect from Leser Feast and Fast 2018 here. But a number of beautiful prayers have been shared on a number of sources I found, including two on the Lente Madness Web site. So I'm going to read a table Grace, that celebrity blogger Adam Thomas says was on the wall of his childhood home.

Luci [00:29:57] Oh, that's nice. OK, so let's pray that.

Jordan [00:30:03] I should like a great lake of finest ale for the King of kKings. I should like a table of the choicest food for the family of heaven. Let the ale be made of the fruits of faith in the food. Be for giving love. I should welcome the poor to my feast, for they are God's children. I should welcome the sick to my feast. For they are God's joy. Let the poor sit with Jesus at the highest place. And the sick dance with the angels. God bless the poor. God bless the sick. And bless our human race. God bless our food. God bless our drink. All homes. Oh, God, embrace. Amen.

Luci [00:30:42] Amen. What a lovely prayer.

Jordan [00:31:05] Yes. Thank you, Adam Thomas, for sharing this on Lent Madness back in 2015. There's a number of great things on madness. They had a limerick contest between Bridgid and Bond. Her fur. Will include a link to that in our show. As I said, this episode could have been four hours long. I covered about two thirds of my notes in this, but I think we'll leave it there. Luci. What advice do you think Brigid would give?

Luci [00:31:38] This is a wonderful question. I think. Brigid's advice for the contemporary faithful would be. Perhaps you have plenty. Go ahead and give your stuff away. Give give yourself out of house and home.

Jordan [00:31:59] GIve yourself out of house and home. I love it. I was going to say don't take any crap.

Jordan [00:32:06] You are as blessed and anointed by God as anyone else. And don't let the kings and the bishops and whoever else tell you that or your dad, whoever it is, tell you that you don't know what God is calling you to do and that they're going to limit you in any way.

Luci [00:32:30] Yeah, I think that's nice. Don't take any crap and give your stuff away.

Jordan [00:32:35] Right. And especially don't take any crap about your giving of your stuff away.

Luci [00:32:41] Yeah. And if you're curious about whether or not you should give it away, if you have a moment to pause and ask whether or not it's appropriate to give it away, you're probably well off to enough to go ahead and just give it away. Because typically, if you don't have enough, you don't have time to sit and worry about whether or not to give it away.

Jordan [00:32:58] Yeah, probably. You know, good rule of thumb. Good rule of thumb.

Luci [00:33:03] Excellent. Well, what a wonderful way to kick off season two.

Jordan [00:33:07] Yeah. I'm very happy that we had Brigid. So we're mostly going in chronological order in our episodes. We're starting here in the fifth century. We think she was born around 454-53ish. So that's where we're starting. And next week we'll be talking about Clotilda, who is also from a similar time period. But she's in France, right?

Luci [00:33:35] She is in France, in the Frankish Frankish kingdom that becomes France.

Jordan [00:33:40] Excellent. So, yeah. Luci, where can people find us?

Luci [00:33:44] While they eagerly await our episode on Clotilde next week? You can find us on @twofeminists. If you have a listener mail, you can always e-mail us at twofeminists@. That's t w o. Feminists plural. Go to our blog, And you can find the link to our Patreon account where listeners who support our Patreon account have access to weekly after episodes where we talk about the saints and stuff beyond the saints. You can find us on Facebook. You can find us on Instagram. You can find us on the Episcopal Cafe. So go and look at all of those places. Don't forget to rate review and subscribe because it helps other people find our podcast. And we will see you next week with Clotilde. Hang in there. Have an excellent beginning to your September and we'll talk to you soon. Bye.

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