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Announcer:Welcome to another episode of Human Potential at Work brought to you by Ruh Global Impact. Your host is Debra Ruh, CEO of Ruh Global Impact. We now continue the conversation with Huawei Technologies company. Enjoy the Episode.Tim:I mean, again, you know, Huawei’s concept here is connected we’re stronger. And you know, and we believe in trying to bring everyone… connect everyone everywhere and we’ll continue to do that. Ultimately, Huawei’s focus is on the customer. Whether that’s a consumer buying a smart phone or the operator buying infrastructure equipment or some small enterprise you know, buying a router.The focus is always on the customer because ultimately that’s what we’re here for. And you know, we need to make sure that we’re bringing that across the spectrum. It shouldn’t matter you know, whether it’s a person with disability or it’s a person, you know, the average guy off the street.I mean, we need to make sure that we connect everyone. Because again, everyone, from a society, if we’re connected; we’re definitely stronger. And we’re also looking where we work together and we are better together. So, I think if we look at some of the things that we’ve done, Huawei has done…There’s a technology for one of our phones where it helps blind people understand and see. They can’t necessarily read the words or let’s say vision impaired. Not necessarily blind but, a vision impaired so that it helps them understand what’s going on in the book. And it’s like an addition to a book. So, they go through the book and the phone will help verbalize the pictures and so on. So, it’s interesting.I know that you’ve heard the story about we’re repurposing older generations of phones in the Amazon rainforest. And what they’re using that for is we’re taking these phones and repurposing them and using them as listening devices across the Amazon to listen for what we would call, I don’t know what they call, a lager who’s a…Debra:Yes. Illegal loggers.Tim:Yes. Illegal logging basically. They’re listening for the specific sounds of the chainsaws and then it alerts through a system and then the authorities can go and track that down. So, that’s some of the things that we’re doing. Working with the communities and working with countries to support their efforts to help address you know, everything. From people with disabilities to climate change. So.Debra:Yes. And I must tell you, I’m so wowed. I’m so wowed by what you’re doing with your tech for all, tech for good digital inclusion. And when I saw that, the rainforest. I believe that’s also happening in Africa.You got it in some places in Africa. But one thing that I… in the first place, it has… it's so cool that I get very excited but, one thing that they found when they were… they… once again, we’re using older, old cellphones along with solar power and things like that to listen to the forest. So, they can hear within three-mile radius. If logging starts, you know, you can hear the chainsaws. Chainsaw is very you know…Tim:Very…Debra:You can hear it. it’s very distinctive. But they also found that… there was one time when they were listening because they’re always listening to you know, try to protect. We’ve got to protect you know, our forest.Tim:Yes.Debra:And one time they were listening and they heard the monkeys start just chattering and getting all upset and they realized that there had been an earthquake. So, then you start thinking about what else could we learn. Could we be listening for fire? Because in the first place, fire… when fire burns which we have California burning right now. We’ve had terrible fires in Florida…Tim:Right.Debra:Can we please use this technology to help the people in California and Florida?Tim:Right.Debra:This is ridiculous. We are slicing off our own necks. This is… this is not who we… this is not who America is. It’s just not who we are. But we could… and the animals will warn us that there’s a fire.Tim:That’s right.Debra:So, we could actually learn from… there’s so much you could learn from these technologies. And I know there’s another technology called Track AI which is so powerful. And what it is allowing, it is allowing ophthalmologist to better diagnose certain vision impairment problems. And they can diagnose it earlier so children don’t die and then…Tim:Sure.Debra:Maybe they won’t lose their eye sight or maybe we can catch it in time that they only lose partial. A part of their eye sight.Tim:Yes.Debra:I was talking to a friend of mine the other day that works for a large telecommunications company and he was in Europe. And this happened to his son and they caught it in time and his son is blind but, he’s alive. And you could have a wonderful life being blind. I mean…Tim:Right.Debra:But, early diagnosis. And he said, “Debra, in the United States, they’re not catching this because they don’t have this technology. They’re not catching it and children are dying.”Tim:Right.Debra:Babies are dying and it’s like, wait a minute, “What? No.” This is surreal, what’s happening. And we as Americans, we have to pay attention to this. And one thing I would say to you Tim and this is probably a really big question but, what can Americans do to stop what’s happening? Because I’m looking at it and I’ve really dug in deep.I’ve dug in deep to see what is this. And this is… is this true? Does… and also, I go over to China and I meet the people and the people are so gracious and I’m often ask, “what do Americans think about us Chinese people?” And I want to say, “well. things are pretty intense right now in the United States and a lot of Americans are sort of just trying to just…”Tim:To understand.Debra:And understand and just do whatever they can to live a normal life in intense, intense, intense times. And now, our government is picking a fight with China to a point that’s it’s going to hurt us. And by the way, we don’t want to hurt China either. But there is a billion point four plus million…Tim:A huge market. Right? I mean…Debra:Yes. Do you know Tim, there are 400 million Chinese that can speak English and there’s only 320 million Americans? Just the size…Tim:Yes.Debra:For example. And all people matter. All people matter. The world works better when we can all be included. And starting to…Tim:Right.Debra:Putting up walls and you’re bad and your rapist. You’re… anyway, I’m not going to…Tim:Right. Right.Debra:I’m not going to get too agitated. But the reality is, it should be about including all of us. it should… we have to understand how connected the world is already and what we can’t start doing is breaking the things that are working in the world. We need to keep…Tim:Right.Debra:Improving the world. Not breaking it more. But, what can we do? How can we have our voices be heard to help this? Because this is not the world that I want to live in.Tim:Right. Well, I think we need to work collaboratively and cooperatively to develop you know, standards for critical infrastructure. I mentioned that a little bit earlier. And critical infrastructure being the you know, the 5G. The technology.Not just the wireless but also, wire line technology and developing standards and certification protocols and so on. You know, stopping our well… and stop looking at a country of origin but, look at the holistic perspective of every supplier that we… every supplier that is part of our supply chain. But also, you know, investing.Investing in STEM research. A lot of what Huawei has done and the way we’ve kind of continue to grow over the years is we spend a lot of investment dollars in building in basic research. In STEM type of research because we’re in the realm of starting to let’s say, bend some of the laws of physics and so on in order to try and make things work better. To try and carry more traffic and so on. And in order to do that, you have to… you have to invest in the basic research. But also, developing.I think, one of the things we’re seeing now is that you know, there’s so much focus on profits from a lot of companies that we’re not really spending the dollars and investing in the R&D and the development and all of these things. So, I think, we need to get back to that innovative time when we’re putting a lot of money into developing as a nation and developing you know our capabilities, our understanding and so on. We need to get back to that point of view.As I’ve mentioned earlier, you know, we allowed some of our big 5G or some of our… sorry, not 5G but our big telecom players vendors from years past to be absorbed and kind of disappear from the market place. We need to get back to promoting and developing that here in the US. And I think working collaboratively… you know, multiple minds are always better than a single mind. And it gives insight. It gives innovation and it breathes you know, that competition that helps develop… that’s helped developed the tech industry to date.So, I think we need to continue to do that. And I think that’s kind of you know, in a basic way, I guess. It’s just investment. It’s research. It’s you know, focus on the development and collaboration across the globe.Debra:I agree. And I want to talk about a couple more things but, I also want to say, I also think that we… we can each take the time to write to our senators and our congress people to let them know this is not the America that we want. We want America that’s part of the world.We have been leading the world in technology and communications for years but, we don’t do this alone. We do this with our allies. With our friends and we have… you have to go to your political parties and tell them, “no. this is not who we are as Americans.”And so, I say to anyone that’s on this program that is as concern as I am, please, reach out to your senators and congress people and say, “come on. We want to participate in the world. We don’t want to close our boarders. This is not who we are.”We’re capitalists and we’re free trade but also has still much to say. It’s okay to make a profit but, it can’t be your only thing. We have to care about you know, the people and your employees and everything else.A couple of other things that impressed me about Huawei. Huawei is employee owned. All of the employees owned. It is not owned by the government of China. It is owned by these 190,000 employees. And even Ren, the founder, he only owns like 1.46 or something really small.So, this is an employee owned corporation which we applaud in the United States. And I would also say, another thing that impresses me so much is all of the money that you are spending on research and development and tech for good and tech for all; I’m not seeing any other companies spend this kind of money.Tim:Right.Debra:On research and development. So, can you talk about that for a moment?Tim:Yes. From an R&D perspective. We have about 85,000 employees in our R&D. So, that 190, close to half as in our R&D and works in R&D area. So, if we look at the dollars that we spent on an annual basis, that equates to about 15 percent of our revenue on an annual basis and …I mean, so, for example, this year, we’re trending… what it looks like is we’ll hit about 18 billion dollars this year and invested in R&D. And there are… you know, there are fruits of that labor. So, we have 21 percent of what they call the essential 5G patents.So, these are the primary patents that are needed for 5G technology to be utilized around the world. And we hold our roughly about 90,000 patents globally that we’ve acquired over the many years with this R&D investment. But more importantly, I think, you know, again, owning an IP and sharing that about patent or that development with others is key. And if you look at what you know, Huawei license is, about 6 billion dollars annually we pay in licensing fees to the Microsoft, the Google and a variety of other companies including some of our competitors supporting you know, the licensing technologies that they patented. And then we license in turn about 1.4 billion. So, it’s quite uneven. We’re actually licensing quite a bit more than we are.Now, we may see that trend change a little bit as we go into 5G because we do hold a large number of licenses but, I think the key thing here into your point is that it’s the investments that you have to make. You have to make this investment to be a leader to develop your industry and continue to innovate because that’s what it’s all about. I mean, you know, as a tech company continuing to drive the innovation and the innovation for the customer not just the innovation for sake of innovation but, the innovation that benefits the customer or society in a way that helps us all I think is part of… it’s probably the most important part.Debra:I agree. I agree. And I do want to do a shout out just for a minute about your products because Amazon, you can get Huawei products on Amazon. And I have a friend of mine, Dr. Rockford who is in Massachusetts and he recently bought a Huawei product. And I said, “well. Tell me. Tell me why did you buy.” He said, “because it’s the most accessible to me.”He’s a man that’s blind. He said it’s very accessible. And then I was curious, how hard was it going to be for him to make it work in the United States and he came back and he said, “oh. it’s very easy to do.” and he… I believe he uses T Mobile which you can do the sim card to the T Mobile…Tim:Yes.Debra:And other providers, they’re working on this but, he bought Huawei products from Amazon because they were more accessible to him. And often, these devices are not accessible to the population of people with disabilities. They’re working on it but, Huawei is just already more accessible.Tim:Right.Debra:And so… anyway, then I’ll start looping again and I’ll stop doing this but, this is a very, very serious situation that Americans need to get behind and we need to make sure that our voices are heard and that we’re supporting you know, companies like Huawei that are trying to make the world a better place for everyone. And remember, Huawei is us. We’re all intertwined. I mean, Tim once again is in Texas.And so, the world works better when we can all cooperate and partner and support each other and applaud innovation. But we need to have our voices heard. We need to be talking about this. We need to be talking to our politicians. We need to be learning ourselves and understanding “what is going on? Is it that you know, they’re bad because they have a different flag than we do?”Come on. We’re smarter than that. We’re sophisticated Americans. We know better. We… or is it because we’re afraid of a little competition? No. no. no. that is… competition is part of who we are as Americans.So, I really appreciate your time today Tim. I appreciate everything that you’re doing. I appreciate you as an employee. That you would take 15 percent and you know, use it for social good and tech for all. And when I walked… when I went to Huawei Connect and I saw the tech for good pavilion; I was just blown away. But one thing I found Tim is, when I left the pavilion and started looking around at the rest floors and floors of innovation; a lot of things that I was seeing like the robot that handles the recycling and the way the robot was determining what everything was. I said, “well, wait a minute, that’s tech for good.”Tim:Yes.Debra:Yes. Yes. Yes. I know. and then the smart city stuff and the cockpit and the…Tim:Right.Debra:The train stations and the… you blew my… you blew me away. I have never seen innovation and so much tech for good tech for all. I came away very change person after seeing all of that.Tim:Well, that’s good. I think that’s the idea, isn’t it?Debra:Yes. Yes. So, let’s not let some politics stop us all from advancing and making sure that everybody can be included. Even if you’re a person with a disability or you live in a rural area or you live in a country that has different flag from other countries. Come on. We’re better than this. We can evolve.So, let me turn it over to you for last comments and then I’ll let you go.Tim:Well. I think you’ve covered it pretty well Debra. I would like to thank you for having me on the program today. I appreciate it. But I think that’s great and you know, Huawei just wants to continue to do the right things. Serve our customers and continue to innovate and bring technology to the world and that’s kind of where we’ll continue to thrive.Debra:I agree. And I want to be on the right side of history. And the right side of history is human kind.Tim:Absolutely.Debra:And this beautiful amazing world that we all live in. And it’s not about “I’m going to protect my stuff and I’m not going to…” that isn’t helping. That’s hurting us.Tim:Exactly.Debra:And it’s hurting all of us. And so, we need to… we need to all pull together and be one world. And so, I believe in the work that Huawei is doing and I really, really thank you for your leadership and Ren for his leadership and everything. All of the 190,000 employees are doing. And I apologize, I apologize also for what we’re doing because it’s embarrassing to watch because this is not something I’m used to seeing as an American and it’s really sort of chilling to my heart that we would be acting like this. Because I know this is not who we are as Americans. So.Tim:I don’t think there’s any apology necessary. I think what we need to do is we just need to work together to find solutions that help everybody and support everybody. So.Debra:Well said. Well said. Thank you so much Tim. And I’m hoping you’ll come back on and we’ll have…Tim:Sure.Debra:Even better news and be able to say, “yay! That was a scary part of history but, we’re moving forward and everybody gets to be included.”Tim:Right.Debra:So, I think it’s an important time right now. And I’m looking forward to it being a very positive solution that we will all win from. So, thank you so much, Tim.Tim:Great. Thank you. Thank you.Debra:Bye everyone.Tim:Bye. ................
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