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Who was the father of Francis HASTINGS 2nd Earl of Huntingdon (1544-1561)?35280608890000Francis HASTINGS 2nd Earl of Huntingdon (1544-1561) is recorded as being born in 1514 in Ashby-de-la-Zouch Castle, Leicestershire. It is my contention that he was an illegitimate son of King Henry VIII and probably born in circa 1511 (3 years earlier) for the following reasons (listed in order of probability):-402463073279000539496073215500The glaring inaccuracy regarding the given portrait of Anne Stafford, his mother by Ambrosius Benson in 1535 on Wikipedia. She would have to have been 52 - the individual in this portrait looks to be in their mid-20s – even in their later teens. I believe that the accepted portrait of Anne Stafford on her page in Wikipedia is of her at a much younger age. The individual in the image is aged between about 19 and 30. If she was 52 when she sat for the portrait she would have looked something like this unknown individual – number 6 - below (1520 (Netherlandish painter, (fl 1507-1541) - A Woman). Indeed there seems to be three portraits of her (based on the similarity of facial features, clothes, jewellery, posture, background and similarities of their apparent spouses etc.)536448015049500403161514541500c. 1509 –possibly George Hastings aged 21 & Anne Stafford aged 26, the year of their marriage (2 Dec 1509).c. 1516 – possibly George Hastings aged c. 28 & Anne Stafford aged 33. 403669591694000539242091503500(From Wikipedia - Anne Stafford, c. 1535, by Ambrosius Benson. In 1535 she would have been 52. The individual in this portrait looks to be in their mid-20s – even in her later teens.) . 1535 – possibly George Hastings aged c. 47 & Anne Stafford aged 52? (This is a more likely image of what Anne Stafford might have looked like in 1535) (He was created Earl of Huntingdon on 8 Dec 1529)Top images – “Portrait of a Man and Woman - 1520 and 1527. Oil on wood, 57 x 42 cm (each) Galleria degli Uffizi, Florence” (5th image down) top right (“1520 (Netherlandish painter, (fl 1507-1541) - A Woman in 1525”)If this image is Anne STAFFORD, she would have been about 26 in 1509 and 42 in 1525.centre left – possible portrait of George, 3rd Baron of Hastings and 1st Earl of Huntingdon by Ambrosius Benson (1495-1550) In 1535 he would have been 47. centre right - Anne Hastings, Countess of Huntingdon c. 1535, by Ambrosius Benson (as quoted in Wikipedia). In 1535 she would have been 52 years old. The individual in this portrait looks to be in their mid-20s – even in their later teens. below left – If the image is indeed the same individual as the two above, i.e. George, 3rd Baron of Hastings and 1st Earl of Huntingdon, then the date of the image appears to be incorrect. He died on 24 March 1544 and it is more likely that the portrait was painted closer to this date, i.e. c. 1540.“Man with the Rosary c. 1520 Oil on wood, 58 x 41 cm National Museum, Belgrade”(Scroll down about 2/3 of the page to find the image) “There is no certainty about the identification of the man. This identification is traditionally accepted since 1866, when the painting was exhibited in the South Kensington Museum in London. This tradition seems to be confirmed by an old inscription, partly disappeared, “…ASTIN…” in black, on the top of the painting. “ Best regards, Dr. Véronique Bücken, Chef de section peinture ancienne, Musées royaux des Beaux-Arts de Belgique, 9 rue du Musée - B 1000 Bruxelles, Tél.: +32 2 508 32 28, bucken@fine-arts-museum.be “ This portrait is possibly by Jean Clouet as it closely resembles one that he painted of Francis I of France. below right (1525 (Netherlandish painter, (fl 1507-1541) - A Woman)()It is my view that this is what Anne Stafford would have looked like in 1535. 1) All three have similar faces (although of differing ages)2) All three have almost identical fur shawls3) All three have almost identical shirts469201586995004) All three have almost identical bonnets5) All three have their hands in the same place6) All three have similar jewellery on their hands7) All three have the same sitting posture8) All three look as if they may be pregnant9) The top two have similar backgroundsIn conclusion, these pictures are of the same people over a 20/30 year period.Additionally, why is there a portrait of Katherine POLE Countess of Huntingdon available in the public domain and not of her husband, Francis HASTINGS 1st Earl of Huntingdon (1544-1560)? ( Joos van Cleve (or van der Beke; 1485–1540/1541) was a painter active in Antwerp around 1511 to 1540. He is known for combining traditional Netherlandish painting techniques with influences of more contemporary Renaissance painting styles.An active member and co-deacon of the guild of Saint Luke, he is known mostly for his religious works and portraits of royalty. As a skilled technician, his art shows sensitivity to colour, and a unique solidarity of figures. He was one of the first to introduce broad landscapes in the backgrounds of his paintings, a popular technique of the sixteenth century northern Renaissance paintings. score 10/10.2.After corresponding with the Royal Museum of Fine Arts of Belgium, Brussels, it is my view that the image they have entitled as “astings” is George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon. An examination of the images above makes sense of what George Hastings and Anne Stafford might have looked like. Probability score 10/10.3As Anne Stafford, the mother of Francis Hastings was given the second most expensive gift by Henry VIII on New Year’s Eve 1513 their child would be born in 1514. During the same period Henry is believed to also have had relationships with a young Elizabeth BLOUNT (who was born in about 1502) and Joanna of Baden-Hachberg aka Jane Pop-in-court, Great Granddaughter of Charles VII of VALOIS “The Victorious” King of France.Probability score 10/10.4.There is a link between Henry VIII’s mistresses and the rewards given to their husbands. Using the example of Sir William CAREY who was married on 4 Feb 1520 to Mary BOLYEN and shortly AFTER their marriage, Mary became Henry VIII’s mistress in 1521 (for some period between 1515 and 1519 she was the mistress of Francis King of France). CAREY profited directly from his wife's unfaithfulness, being granted manors and estates by the King while the affair was in progress. It is my view that the same was the case for George HASTINGS who was likewise rewarded for the same services of his wife, Anne STAFFORD sister of Edward STAFFORD 3rd Duke of Buckingham, a mistress from between 28 May 1510 to Dec 1513, i.e. c. 4 years. Sir William CAREY died prematurely aged 28 of the Sweating Sickness. My speculation is that had he not died, he would probably have been created an earl along with George HASTINGS and Thomas BOLYEN for overlooking the King’s attention to their wives.Probability score 10/10. 5. It is my view that George Hastings did not want to be associated with his Grandfather, William Hastings. Why Francis was not also buried at Stoke Poges [18] in Buckinghamshire where his father was buried, a distance of 120 miles apart? (Or more to the point, why did George Hastings not get buried at Ashby de la Zouch, with its imposing formidable castle which had been in the family’s hands since 1464? He was born at Ashby-de-la-Zouch castle, Leicestershire. Stoke Park Estate's records indicate that it came into the Hastings history in 1485. It had to be sold to the Crown in 1581 to pay the outstanding debts of Henry Hastings, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, whose father Francis, the Commander in Chief of Henry VIII’s army, had rebuilt the Manor House (part of which can still be seen today) in 1555.Probability score 10/10.6. It would be interesting to know the source of the estimate of Francis's year of birth as 1514. No source is given by The Complete Peerage, but as his father died in 1544, it is my view that Francis's age was stated to be "30 years and more" in an inquisition post mortem at that time. If so, it would be easy to believe that the true date of birth was a few years earlier, as ages in inquisitions were often given as "round figures."Probability score 10/10.Granted that inquisitions were often given as "round figures,” however there are numerous examples of when the exact day & month are given of the aristocracy; such as the following examples: Catherine of Aragon's date of birth was 16 Dec 1485 (two years younger than Anne Stafford); Mary Tudor's date of birth is given as 18 Feb 1516; Sir Anthony BROWNE Constable of Calais' date of birth is given as 29 Jun 1500; Gerald FITZGERALD 11th Earl of Kildare's date of birth is given as 28 Feb 1525 & Henry CAREY, 1st Baron Hunsdon date of birth is given as 4 Mar 1526, etc.Probability score 10/10.There are three portraits of Henry Hastings 3rd Earl of Huntingdon. They cannot all be correct as they look so different, (particularly the 3rd one).4572008064500Henry Hastings (1536–1595), 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, Aged 52by British (English) School National TrustDate painted: 1588Oil on panel, 51.5 x 45 cmCollection: National Trust 4572008318500 HENRY HASTINGS, third Earl of Huntingdon (1535-1595), born in 153543942013970000Henry Hastings, 3rd Earl of Huntingdonby Unknown artistoil on panel, late 16th-early 17th century22 in. x 16 5/8 in. (559 mm x 422 mm)Purchased, 1910NPG 1574 Probability score 10/10.The relationship between Henry VIII and Anne Stafford began as early as 28 May 1509 (the probable conception date of Francis Hastings) and ended as late as Dec 1513 when she was given the 2nd most expensive New Year’s eve gift, i.e. at least four years.In 1550 aged 36 Francis was invested as a Privy Counsellor [16]. From 1550 to 1559 he was appointed Lord Lieutenant of Rutland [11]. From 1551 to 1552 he was appointed Lord Lieutenant of Leicestershire [11]. Constable of Conway Castle in 1551. From 1552 to 1560 he was appointed Lord Lieutenant of Derbyshire [11]. On 21 May 1553 aged 39, his eldest son Henry, aged 18, married Catherine Dudley (aged less than 12), one of the daughters of John Dudley 1st Duke of Northumberland the same day as Northumberland's son, Lord Guildford Dudley (i.e. his daughter in law), married Lady Jane Grey, Queen of England for nine days, (from 10 Jul 1553 to 19 Jul 1553). He was among the nobles signing on the document proclaiming?Lady Jane Grey?to be the heir of Edward VI. He was among the supporters of Jane in her brief reign but this reign ended in revolt in favour of her cousin?Mary I of England. He was arrested and imprisoned in the Tower of London. However he was released in Jan 1554 and immediately assigned to locate and arrest the rebellious?Henry Grey, 1st Duke of Suffolk, father of Lady Jane Grey. He was successful and led Suffolk to the Tower for his incarceration. Henry Grey was beheaded on 23 Feb 1554 at Tower Hill and buried at St. Peter et Vincula, Tower of London, after his conviction for high treason for his part in Sir Thomas Wyatt's attempt (Jan – Feb 1554) to overthrow Mary after she announced her intention to marry Philip II of Spain. He was again appointed Lord Lieutenant of Leicestershire on 23 Feb 1554 upon the execution of Henry Grey, 1st Duke of Suffolk until 20 Jun 1561 when he shared the role jointly with his son Henry Hastings, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon (who held the position until 14 Dec 1595). In 1558 he was appointed Captain of the Vanguard of the Queen Mary's Forces [11].In 1559 he was appointed Queen Mary's Master of the Hart-hounds [11].Probability score 9/10. – it would seem improbable that he would have been able to administer all these posts.On 11 Apr 1554 he was present at the execution of?Thomas Wyatt the younger, who claimed to have assisted Queen Mary against the Duke of Northumberland when the Duke threatened the throne for his daughter-in-law, Lady Jane Grey. Wyatt was beheaded and his body was quartered.(Probability score 9/10. – cannot find a list of those present)In 1583, his youngest daughter, Mary, received a formal proposal of marriage from Ivan IV "the Terrible," Czar of Russia (25 Aug 1530 – 28 Mar 1584) [12], presented at Court by his Ambassador. She declined the offer. She would have been his 9th wife.(Probability score 9/10. The fact that the bride would be his 9th would have put any prospective candidate off, however why settle for the daughter of a mere Earl? Would not a daughter of the illegitimate son of a King, be more appropriate?)His son Henry Hastings became the 3rd Earl of Huntingdon. His mother, Catherine Pole was the great-granddaughter of the Duke of Clarence, a brother to King Edward IV and Richard III. As a result, Henry claimed succession to Elizabeth I [13]. (Probability score 9/10. His claim to the throne)In 1529 (3 Nov) aged 15, he gained a seat at the Reformation Parliament (1529 Clergy legal privilege removed. An Act passed to prevent the Clergy being subject to separate canonical courts. Instead they were now to be tried in the same way as everybody else in England were and not be looked upon favourably by the courts.) The same day his supposed father George Hastings was created the 1st Earl of Huntingdon (aged 41). An examination of how many 15 year old MPs there were in existence at the time might be revealing. It might be the other way around. In other words, George Hastings was created an Earl because Francis had been called to Parliament.(Probability score 9/10.)In 1530 aged 16 he was awarded stewardship over two abbeys (possibly Tewkesbury and Hornby, abbeys as his father-in-law, Henry Pole, 1st Baron Montagu had been steward of these abbeys before his execution on 9 Jan 1539 [14]. (His supposed father “George” was granted stewardships of the lands of local monasteries for his developing friendship with the king brought Hastings a number of grants from the crown which included the manors of Enderby (1510) and Evington (1527). Both were in Leicestershire, which his grandfather, with his castle at Ashby-de-la-Zouch and fortified manor house at Kirby Muxloe, had made the main power base of the family.(Probability score 9/10.)In 1532 aged 21 (if born in 1511) he married Catherine Pole who had a claim to the throne. Her Grandmother was Margaret Plantagenet Countess of Salisbury who was beheaded on 28 May 1541 when he was 27. Her father was George PLANTAGENET Earl of Warwick [3] (1472-1477) and was murdered on 18 Feb 1478 in the Tower of London. His brothers were Edward IV, 1st Yorkist King of England & Richard III King of England. If he was born in 1514 he would have been only 18, which is unlikely as he would only just have reached the age of majority.(CHuntingdon).htm (Probability score 9/10.)Sir Francis Hastings has a magnificent monument at St Helen's Church, Ashby-de-la-Zouch, Leicestershire?where his alabaster monument still exists in the Hastings Chapel today (above) [4]. A study of the extensive shields and heraldry on the monument might reveal his true father’s identity. George Hastings died at his seat at Stoke Poges in Buckinghamshire, and was buried in the chancel of the church there. A comparison of the two monuments is needed. (Probability score 8/10.)After 28 May 1510 when Anne was involved in the court scandal with Henry VIII, during the period that she was “spirited away from court, initially transported to a convent some sixty miles away.” It might have been just for the period of her pregnancy as clearly she is in court again in 1513. It would not have been a scandal if she had been pregnant with George Hastings’ child. (Probability score 7/10.)Francis was a nephew by marriage of?Cardinal?Reginald Pole?Archbishop of Canterbury?(1557–1558) a favourite of Mary I. This connection allowed him to avoid persecution for his Protestantism. (Probability score 7/10 – it would seem improbable because there are no other examples of other Protestants escaping the net, just because Reginald Pole was Catholic, did not necessarily mean that all his family was)In 1549 aged 35 Francis was created a?Knight of the Garter. The Order comprised of the King and only elected 24 Knight Companions, who were only replaced upon death or disgrace; These included:-Arthur Plantagenet, Viscount Lisle, illegitimate son of Edward IV,Sir Henry Fitzroy, illegitimate son of Henry VIII both created in 1525) [17] William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke, whose father was an illegitimate son of William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke of the eighth creation (1468) (by his mistress, Maud, daughter of Adam ap Howell Graunt, probable son of Howell Graunt de TURBERVILLE.)Sir Francis Hastings would have been fourth on this list if he were found to be illegitimate.(Probability score 6.5/10 because of the number of fellow illegitimates – speculation, but worthy of further investigation).Henry VIII and Anne Stafford were having a relationship at the time of his more probable conception date in 28 May 1510. (With the list of other possible children of Henry VIII illegitimate candidates, the usual “proof” is that they were simply having a relationship. My view is that Francis Hastings has significantly additional proof for this to be the case). The discovery of which led her husband George, Baron Hastings (as he was then, becoming 1st Earl of Huntingdon 19 years later (1529-1544) [10] on 3 Nov 1529) to remove her to a convent and her brother Edward Stafford 3rd Duke of Buckingham to leave Henry VIII’s court in a rage, refusing to stay under his roof. As late as 1513, Anne was the courtier who received the 2nd most expensive New Year's gift from Henry VIII, indicating that their relationship continued until then (and/ or that she might have had a child by him). Don Luis Caroz de Villaragut, the Spanish Ambassador in England and Eustace Chapuys the Savoyard diplomat who served as the Imperial ambassador to England from 1529 to 1545 and is best known for his extensive and detailed correspondence[9] both reported that on 28 May 1510 (note - exact day and month given, possibly the day she became pregnant),one of the young married sisters of the Duke of Buckingham, (Edward STAFFORD the 3rd Duke, who was later executed on Tower Hill on 17 May 1521) had attracted the attention of King Henry VIII. “The Ambassador was relying on gossip fed to him by one of Catharine of Aragon's former ladies-in-waiting, Francesca de Carceres[8]. Anne's own sister, Elizabeth, Lady Fitzwalter (her husband Robert Radcliffe later became 1st Earl of Sussex in 1529), informed their brother that Anne’s behaviour was bringing shame on the Stafford family. Buckingham subsequently caught Sir William Compton, Groom of Henry VIII’s Stool, in Anne’s chamber. After a heated exchange during which Buckingham is reported to have told the pair that “women of the Stafford family are no game for Comptons, or of the Tudors,” the Duke saw to it that Anne’s husband [10] removed his wife from court, to a convent sixty miles away. She was later prosecuted for adultery with William Compton, proof that she was permissive. (courtier) King Henry VIII ordered Catharine of Aragon (his wife) to dismiss Elizabeth Lady Fitzwalter (Elizabeth Stafford was a niece of Elizabeth Woodville, queen consort to King Edward IV[23]) for meddling; and bawled out Buckingham, who withdrew from court in a huff.” [1] (Probability score 6/10.)In 1553 due to the above military and naval success Francis Hastings was awarded with several estates in?Leicestershire?which were previously held by John Beaumont Master of the Rolls between 13 Dec 1550 and 18 Jun 1552. (The?Keeper or Master of the Rolls and Records of the Chancery of England, known as the?Master of the Rolls, and was the 2nd most senior judge in England and Wales, after the?Lord Chief Justice). He allowed the widow of Beaumont (Elizabeth Hastings, his 2nd cousin - daughter of Sir William Hastings born c. 1470 at Donnington Castle, Kirby and son of William Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings of Hungerford and Jane, daughter of Sir Robert Sheffield) to keep their family manor in?Grace Dieu?where further members of this family would survive. (William, a son of Francis’ married a Beaumont, possibly of this family)(judge)(Probability score 6/10.)In 1549 aged 35 he was named?Lieutenant General?of the army and Chief Captain of the fleet in a campaign against?the French at Boulogne-sur-Mer under Edward IV.?Probability score 5/10 as this information in his Wikipedia biography needs corroboration. It is difficult to find specific information to confirm Francis Hastings as Lieutenant General of the army and Chief Captain of the fleet. Edward Seymour, Duke of Somerset, for instance was Lord Protector of England and was Lieutenant-General of the North in March 1544[24].Possible illegitimate children of Henry VIII, all of which are mentioned as possible children of Henry VIII in Wikipedia, except Francis Hastings.()(c. 1520 Birth of Thomas Stukely possible illegitimate son of Henry VIII. Son of Jane POLLARD of King's Nympton Devon. ) Oct 1523Birth of Richard EDWARDES. His mother was supposedly Agnes Beaupine BLEWITT. It is my view that if indeed this person actually existed, then she is more likely to have been Agnes Verney of Stoke Couray who was married to Richard BLEWITT of Cothay and Kittisford, parents of Nicholas BLEWITT of Thorne St. Margaret. Richard was the son of Walter BLEWITT of Holcombe, Devon (d. 1487), the grandson of John BLEWITT of Greenham, Berkshire and Agnes BEAUPEN (dau of Sir Thomas BEAUPEN and Jane DELAMORE). 5562600-15494000Kittisford St. Nicholas: memorial brass to Richard Bluett who died in 1524. The figure is paired with that of his wife, Agnes Verney. 556387015430500Kittisford St. Nicholas: memorial brass to Agnes Verney. The figure is paired with that of her husband, Richard Bluett.. 1524 Birth of Anne Somerset m. Thomas PERCY [7] Earl of Northumberland possible illegitimate daughter of Henry VIII. Daughter of Elizabeth BROWNE Countess of Worcester. (3 members of Sir Anthony BROWNE’s family were suspected as being mistresses of Henry VIII, his wife, daughter and daughter-in-law.(d._1565) c. 1524Birth of Catherine Carey possible illegitimate daughter of Henry VIII. Daughter of Mary BOLEYN. 4 Mar 1526Birth of Henry Carey, 1st Baron Hunsdon. Also possible illegitimate son of Henry VIII. Son of Mary BOLEYN. c. 1526 Birth of William Somerset [3] Earl of Worcester (1549–1589) possible illegitimate son of Henry VIII. Son of Elizabeth BROWNE Countess of Worcester. 1527/ 1535 Birth of Ethelreda Malte possible illegitimate daughter of Henry VIII. Her father was John MOORE of Dunclent & Hackett, Worcester and her mother was Joanna “DINGLEY” and whose sister was Blanche, Lady Troy. Blanche 1st married Sir James WHITNEY of Whitney and Pen-cwm and 2nd she married Sir William HERBERT of Troy Parva, illegitimate son of William HERBERT (Black William) [1] Earl of Pembroke (1468-1469); the stepbrother of Sir Walter HERBERT Knt. of Raglan and whose stepbrother was William HERBERT [1] Earl of Huntingdon (1451–1491). (Sir Walter HERBERT was the first husband of Anne Stafford. He was 1st married to Elizabeth Lany on 15 Feb 1500 and they had a daughter Elsbeth HERBERT who married William ap John Jones of Tre-owen, Mitchell Troy, Monmouthshire, great grandparents of Sir William MORGAN of Tredegar, Monmouthshire who married Elizabeth, daughter of Sir William WINTER of Lydney Gloucestershire (Nov 1528 Birth of John Perrot possible illegitimate son of Henry VIII. His mother was Mary BERKELEY wife of Sir Thomas PERROT of Islington, Middlesex & of Haroldston. She married 2nd Sir Thomas JONES Knt. of Haroldston Sheriff of Pembrokeshire father of Sibyl JONES of Radnorshire who also had a relationship with John Perrot. )All these individuals have flimsy “evidence” to be called illegitimate children of Henry VIII, yet their available biographies (or that of their parents) state this possibility (some just state that their mother had a relationship with Henry VIII). It is my intention to add Francis Hastings to a list of possible academically recognised illegitimate sons of Henry. Henry VIII mistresses may or may not include the following (note, some seem to overlap):- (rough dates of affairs in bold)Etionette DE LA BAUME, daughter of Marc de la Baume Lord of Ch?teauvillain, Count of Montrevel (Oct 1513 – Henry was in Tournai at the time)Anne STAFFORD sister of the Duke of Buckingham – daughter of Henry STAFFORD 2nd Duke of Buckingham (1460-1483). Three of his four grandparents were descended from Edward III of England. His wife Catherine WOODVILLE was a sister of Elizabeth WOODVILLE, Queen of King Edward IV. (between at least 28 May 1510 to at least Dec 1513)Elizabeth BRYAN aka Lady Carew (1512/1514)(original research – worthy of corroboration/ further investigation – clearly irrelevant to the specific case of the paternity of Francis Hastings but illustrates how mistresses in the middle ages assumed pseudonyms) Joanna of Baden-Hachberg aka Jane Pop-in-court, daughter of Philip, Margrave of Baden Hachberg and Mary daughter of Amadeus IX, Duke of Savoy and granddaughter of Charles VII of Valois “The Victorious” and John II of Valois “The Good” Kings of France (1350-1364). Joanna was the wife of Louis I of Orléans, Duke of Longueville, Count of Montgommery, Count of Tancarville, Prince of Ch?let-Aillon, Marquis of Rothelin and Viscount of Abberville and was the first husband of Mary of Guise[25] also a Great Grandson of Charles VII of Valois “The Victorious" King of France, a hostage held by Henry VIII, captured at the battle of the Spurs (or the Battle of Guinegate). Louis I of Orléans and Joanna of Baden-Hachberg had four children which include:-Fran?ois (1513-1548), Marquis of Rothelin, married Jacqueline de Rohan and had issue:Léonor d'Orléans, Duke of Longueville [26], and Francoise of Orléans who was the second wife of Louis de Bourbon, Prince of Condé, a "Prince du Sang" and leader of the Huguenots during the French Wars of Religion. (c. 1514)Elizabeth BLOUNT later Countess of Lincoln. Daughter of Sir John BLOUNT of Kinlet Sheriff of Staffordshire (1530) and Granddaughter of Sir Thomas BLOUNT of Kinlet Sheriff of Shropshire (1480). Their son was Henry FitzRoy TUDOR Duke of Richmond.She 1st married Gilbert Tailboys, 1st Baron Tailboys of Kyme and 2nd Adm. Sir Edward CLINTON 1st Earl of Lincoln. (Jan 1514)Mary BOLEYN (possibly also a mistress of Francis I King of France. He referred to her as "The English Mare", "my hackney", and as "a great slag, infamous above all"). Daughter of Thomas BOLEYN Earl of Ormond & Earl of Wiltshire (1529-1539) and granddaughter of Thomas HOWARD 2nd Duke of Norfolk (1514-1524) (1520 – 1525)Margaret PARKER daughter of Sir Henry PARKER Sheriff of Essex & Hertfordshire; and wife of Sir John SHELTON of Shelton Hall Norfolk Sheriff of Norfolk (unknown when)Agnes Beaupine BLEWITT?? (See above). (Feb 1523)Anne BOLEYN (later his 2nd wife) (mistress from Mar 1526) m. 25 Jan 1533 Westminster, London.Elizabeth BRYCE granddaughter of Sir Hugh BRYCE Lord Mayor of London, wife of Robert AMADAS Master of the Jewel House (before 1528)Mary BERKELEY mother of Sir John PERROT Knight, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. He had a number of mistresses including Sibyl JONES of Radnorshire whose parents were Mary BERKELEY and Sir Thomas JONES Knt. of Haroldston Sheriff of Pembrokeshire. So Sir John PERROT and Sibyl JONES were half siblings (1525)Jane POLLARD of King's Nympton Devon daughter of Judge Sir Lewis POLLARD of King's Nympton, wife of Sir Hugh STEWKLEY of Affeton, mother of Thomas STUKELEY. (about 1530) Joanna “DINGLEY” (niece of Lady Troy) daughter of John MOORE of Dunclent & Cofton Hackett, Worcester, and Eleanor (sister of Lady Troy) granddaughter of Sir Simon MILBORNE of Tillington & Icomb. Blanche MILBORNE (Lady Troy) married first Sir James WHITNEY of Whitney and Pen-cwm and second Sir William HERBERT of Troy Parva, an illegitimate son of William HERBERT (Black William) [1] Earl of Pembroke. (Sept 1534)Elizabeth BROWNE Countess of Worcester daughter of Sir Anthony BROWNE Constable of Calais and Lucy NEVILLE who was a mistress of Edward IV. (about 1535)Mary SHELTON (niece of Anne BOLEYN) daughter of Sir John SHELTON Sheriff of Norfolk. (between Feb and Aug 1535)Elizabeth BROOKE wife of Sir Thomas WYATT of Allington Castle (Poet) daughter of Thomas BROOKE 8th Lord Cobham and great granddaughter of Geoffrey BOLEYN Lord Mayor of London. (unknown when)Anne BASSETT of Umberleigh Devon daughter of Sir John BASSETT of Umberleigh Devon and Honor GRANVILLE (Lady-in-waiting) widow of Arthur PLANTAGENET Viscount Lisle Sheriff of Hampshire; illegitimate son of Edward IV YORK King of England probably by above mentioned Lucy NEVILLE daughter of John NEVILLE Marquess Montagu & Earl of Northumberland (1461-1471) died on 14 Apr 1471 (Easter Sunday) Battle of Barnet along with his brother Richard NEVILLE the Kingmaker Earl of Warwick (1449-1471). (1538/1539)Catherine HOWARD (later his 5th wife) already pregnant when she married Henry VIII. (before 28 Jul 1540)All these have flimsy circumstantial evidence of being children of Henry VIII:-Thomas StukelyRichard EdwardesAnne SomersetWilliam SomersetCatherine CareyHenry CareyEthelreda MalteJohn PerrotClaude, Duke of Longueville Louis II Duke of Longueville 25It is unlikely that both Sir Francis Hastings and his sister Mary were both born in 1514. If Sir Francis Hastings was conceived on or around 28 May 1510 then he would have been born c. Feb/Mar 1511. It is possible that Anne and her first husband, Sir Walter Herbert (m. 15 Feb 1500 (in some sources in 1503) did have children as they were married for seven years and he is believed to have had an illegitimate daughter with Elizabeth Lany, Elsbeth, who married William ap John Jones of Tre-owen, Mitchell Troy, Monmouthshire (grandparents of Thomas MORGAN Lord of Castell-Arnal) so he was not impotent so it is unlikely that he and Anne Stafford did not have children in their seven years of marriage.According to the site Tudorplace[28] the children of George Hastings and Anne Stafford are given in the column to the right. A more plausible order of the birth of the children would be as follows on the left:-(Previously as in Tudorplace)Feb/Mar1511Francis (son of Henry VIII)15141513Henry (named after Henry VIII)15081514Mary15141515Catherine1515 (?)1517Thomas1504?1518Edward1505?1520Dorothy15201521William1510Probability score 5/10.26There are a number of reasons why Henry VIII may not recognise all his illegitimate children:- With Francis Hastings, Henry VIII had only been married to Catherine of Aragon for five years as had Anne Stafford and George Hastings [10]. At this stage he had not given up hope on Catherine of Aragon producing at least one legitimate male heir.Henry VIII’s 2nd legitimate son Henry was born in Dec 1514 and so Henry probably thought that he had a legitimate son that would grow to adulthood and become king. (The 1st, also called Henry was born in Jan 1511 and died in Mar 1511) and so for these short periods Henry did not feel the need at this time to recognise other possible illegitimate heirs.It may have been accepted practice at the time for the king to have had extramarital relationships, however Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon were supposedly a very loving couple and he might not have wanted to have offended her early in their marriage by recognising children of other women.George Hastings’ career to have warranted his elevation to Earl is difficult to understand. He was friends with Henry VIII, possibly because he acquiesced to the relationship between the King and his wife (Anne STAFFORD - sister of the Duke of Buckingham) and his sister, (Anne HASTINGS - who was married to Thomas STANLEY 2nd Earl of Derby (1504-1521), by indenture dated 17 Dec 1505).Henry VIII’s earlier mistresses, Anne Stafford, Margaret Bouchier, Joanna Dingley were all married and for this reason their children were not recognised, because they would be brought up as children of the husband of the woman which Henry VIII had had the relationship with.(Original research – worthy of corroboration/ further investigation – clearly irrelevant to the specific case of the paternity of Francis Hastings) (Joanna “DINGLEY” had married 1st Sir James DINGLEY of Northleach Gloucestershire (son of William DINGLEY and Alice HARDWICK. Alice’s brother was John, whose granddaughter was Elizabeth, Countess of Shrewsbury “aka Building Bess.” 2nd Joanna married Richard Dobbis/ Dobson/ Dobbs Mayor of London (1551). Joanna’s maiden name was MOORE. Her mother was Eleanor MILBORNE, daughter of Sir Simon MILBORNE of Tillington & Icomb Sheriff of Herefordshire (1464 & 1480), whose sister was Blanche (Lady Troy) whose first husband was Sir James WHITNEY of Whitney and Pen-cwm d. 30 Jul 1500 and her 2nd husband was Sir William HERBERT of Troy Parva, the illegitimate son of Sir William HERBERT Earl of Pembroke and therefore the half-brother of Sir Walter HERBERT Knt. of Raglan d. 16 Sep 1507 (If both Sir Walter HERBERT Knt. of Raglan and William HERBERT 1st Earl of Huntingdon (1451–1491) (who married Catherine daughter of Richard III King of England (1483-1485))’s mother was Anne, daughter of Sir Walter DEVEREUX Chancellor of Ireland then Walter might have been the heir of his brother as Earl of Pembroke). After her relationship with King Henry VIII (Sep 1534), Joanna “DINGLEY” married as her 3rd husband, Michael ASHFIELD of Farmington Gloucestershire. (He was second cousin of King Edward VI). Michael’s mother was Eleanor SEYMOUR, so she was first cousin of Jane, 3rd wife of King Henry VIII. Her grandfather was John SEYMOUR Sheriff of Wiltshire (1457-1458) was great grandfather of Queen Jane SEYMOUR (3rd wife of King Henry VIII). Joanna DINGLEY’s fourth husband was Thomas PARKER of Notgrove in Gloucestershire. His brother was William PARKER the abbot of Gloucester and his uncle was Henry Parker, 10th Baron Morley (1480/1481 – 1556), was an English peer and translator. His father was Sir William PARKER standard bearer of Richard III. So it can be said with certainty that Joanna DINGLEY was not a laundry woman but a member of the aristocracy as she was the niece of Lady Troy (and Sir William HERBERT of Troy Parva).It is possible that Henry Fitzroy was recognised as a natural son of Henry VIII by the Elizabeth Blount because she was not yet married. However she was quickly married off to Gilbert Tailboys 1st Lord Tailboys.When Henry began his relationship with Elizabeth Bryan in 1512 she was only 12 years old and not married. She was married two years later to Sir Nicholas Carew Sheriff of Surrey etc. ((courtier)). Their daughter Anne Carew became a Lady-in-Waiting and was unlikely to be recognised simply because she was female and as such, could not inherit the throne. Henry would not have recognised Anne Stafford’s son as his own because he was a Plantagenet, the main rival of the Tudor dynasty.Henry might have been duped into believing that the child in question was genuinely not his, being born relatively far away at Ashby-de-la-Zouch, Leicestershire.It is possible that the distance given when Anne was removed from court was exaggerated and judging from the Flemish nature of the portraits she might have been taken abroad. As a known sexually active monarch, early in his reign Henry probably did not consider it possible that he would not have sufficient legitimate or illegitimate heirs. Although Catherine of Aragon had had a number of still born children, Henry VIII probably believed that she was still in her youth and could produce live heirs.(Probability score 2/10.)At the time Francis was neither a traditional HASTINGS nor a STAFFORD name (nor TUDOR). It is possible that he was named after Henry VIII’s greatest rival, Francis I (born on 12 Sep 1494) who later became King of France (on 1 Jan 1515), or after Francis of Assisi, as a deliberate snub against Henry VIII, and not after his supposed father George who was probably named after the Patron Saint of England, St. George. (It is interesting to note that two other mistresses of Henry VIII’s, Margaret Bouchier (Her 1st husband was Sir John Sandys; 2nd was Sir Thomas Bryan and her 3rd was David Zoche) and Elizabeth Browne (wife of Henry Somerset Earl of Worcester) had sons who were also named Francis). Francis only appears to become an accepted English name after about 1500.After the birth of Francis Hastings, the remaining children by George Hastings and Anne Stafford are given traditional English names;“William” (perhaps after King “William” The Conqueror), “Catherine” (perhaps named after “Catherine” of Aragon), “Thomas” (perhaps named after St “Thomas” à Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury or “Thomas” Plantagenet 1st Duke of Gloucester and son of King Edward III), “Edward” (perhaps named after the Kings of England by that name), “Henry” (perhaps named after “Henry VIII”), “Mary” (perhaps named after Henry VIII’s daughter, or Jesus’s mother, “Mary”) and “Dorothy” (perhaps named after “Dorothy,” daughter of Thomas Grey 1st Marquis of Dorset, stepson of King Edward IV who married 1st Sir Robert Willoughby, KB (1472-1521), 2nd Baron Willoughby de Broke and married 2nd Charles Blount, 5th Baron Mountjoy (1516–44).(Probability score 3/10.)In 1533 aged 19 he was created a?Knight of the Bath [11].(Probability score 3/10) In 1536 aged 22 he was one of the leaders who suppressed The Pilgrimage of Grace [13].(Probability score 2/10 but still questionable)Why did Henry VIII have Edward Stafford 3rd Duke of Buckingham executed? Supposedly because of becoming suspected of potentially treasonous actions but could it also be because Edward might have known the truth about Francis Hastings and others who might be seeking to overthrow him?(Probability score 1/10. Henry VIII had many people executed for a variety of reasons; this one is possible for any one of them)His Great Grandson Henry Hastings, 5th Earl of Huntingdon married Elizabeth Stanley who was 3rd in line to the throne. (Probability score 1/10 - claim to the throne)His tutors included John Leland (13 Sep 1503 – 18 Apr 1552) an English poet and antiquary who is described as "the father of English local history and bibliography" [7]. Note: The link in Francis Hastings’ biography in Wikipedia indicates that he was tutored by John Leland (antiquary and who had an older brother John) is suspect. This John Leland was born on 13 Sep 1503. This would only make him about 7 years older than his student (which of course is possible). However, it is my view that it was this John Leland’s older brother, also named John that was Francis Hastings’ tutor.(Probability score 1/10 peripheral information to illustrate that not all information in the public domain regarding Francis Hastings is correct)If Francis Hastings was born in 1514, why was it that his supposed parents, George Hastings and Anne Stafford did not have any children from the time they were married on 2 Dec 1509 to 1514, possibly 5 years? Their remaining children were born at roughly 18 month intervals; Thomas, Edward, Henry, William, Dorothy, Mary & Katherine.(Probability score 1/10)34If Francis Hastings was born in 1514; it would seem unlikely that his wife would be 3 years olderthan him born in 1511.(Probability score 1/10)SummaryFrancis’ political career was meteoric in comparison to his father’s and it is my view that was because of his biological father, Henry VIII’s influence.Aged 15 he gained a seat at the Reformation Parliament (if born in 1514?)Aged 16 he was awarded stewardship over two abbeys (if born in 1514?)Aged 18 he married Catherine Pole on 25 June 1532, granddaughter of Margaret Plantagenet Countess of Salisbury (if born in 1514?)(In Tudor England, most people who married did so only after they had the wherewithal to establish a household of their own. This usually meant waiting at least until they were in their twenties. Contemporary opinion was against the marriage of people who had not yet built up the means to maintain a family, or had little prospect of doing so. () So does this mean that he had not reached the age of his majority?Aged 19 he was created a?Knight of the Bath (if born in 1514?)Aged 22 he was one of the leaders who suppressed The Pilgrimage of Grace (if born in 1514?)Aged 30 he succeeded to the title of 2nd Earl of Huntingdon (if born in 1514?)Aged 30 he succeeded to the title 7th Lord Botreaux [20] (if born in 1514?)Aged 30 he succeeded to the title 4th Lord Hastings (of Hastings) [20, 21] (if born in 1514?)Aged 30 he succeeded to the title 3rd Lord Hastings of Hungerford (if born in 1514?)Aged 30 he succeeded to the title 6th Lord Hungerford [20] (if born in 1514?)Aged 30 he succeeded to the title 4th Lord Moleyns [20] (if born in 1514?)Aged 33 at the coronation of?Edward VI of England?he carried Edward's staff and took a prominent part in the?jousting?competition held in celebration of the eventAged 35 he was named?Lieutenant General?of the Army and Chief Captain of the fleet in a campaign against?the French at Boulogne-sur-Mer under Edward IVAged 35 he was created a?Knight of the Garter Aged 35 due to the above military success he was awarded with several estates in?Leicestershire?which were previously held by John Beaumont Master of the Rolls(Not corroborated in the biography of John Beaumont (judge)(judge) Aged 36 he was invested as a Privy CounsellorAged 36 he was appointed Lord Lieutenant of RutlandAged 37 he was Constable of Conway Castle in 1551 Aged 37 he was appointed Lord Lieutenant of Leicestershire (1551–1552) & (1554 – 20 Jun 1561) jointly with Henry Hastings, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon (1559 – 14 Dec 1595)Aged 38 he was appointed Lord Lieutenant of DerbyshireAged 38 he was appointed Lord Lieutenant of Warwickshire [22]Aged 39 his eldest son Henry, aged 18, married Catherine Dudley on 21 May 1553 , a daughter of John Dudley 1st Duke of Northumberland, the same day as Northumberland's son, Lord Guildford Dudley, married Lady Jane Grey, Queen of England from 10 Jul 1553 to 19 Jul 1553. Aged 40 he was present at the execution of?Thomas Wyatt the youngerAged 40 he was again appointed Lord Lieutenant of Leicestershire.Aged 44 he was appointed Captain of the Vanguard of the Queen Mary's Forces.Aged 45 he was appointed Queen Mary's Master of the Harthounds.In 1583, his daughter Mary, received a formal proposal of marriage from Ivan IV Czar of RussiaHis son Henry Hastings became the 3rd Earl of Huntingdon. His mother was Catherine Pole, the great-granddaughter of the Duke of Clarence, a brother to Edward IV and Richard III. As a result Henry claimed succession to Elizabeth I [13].His Great Grandson Henry Hastings 5th Earl of Huntingdon married Elizabeth Stanley who was 3rd in line to the throne and both his mother, Anne Stafford, and his wife Catherine Pole (Her claim de jure hereditario to the Crown was considered to be good by many[19]), were descended from King Edward III. (George Hastings was also descended from King Edward III).To the contrary, “his father,” George Hastings despite supposedly being in Henry VIII’s good books, early in Henry’s reign he had to appear before the Star-chamber for keeping too many liveried retainers.Even if he were born in 1514, he still is not let off the hook as in 1513 his mother received the second most expensive gift from Henry VIII indicating that she was a) either still his mistress, b) that she had had a child by him or c) he hoped to continue his relationship with her.Bibliography [01] (CHuntingdon).htm [02] [03] [04] [05] [06] [07] [08] [09] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] (antiquary) [16] [17] [18] [19] The Complete Peerage[20] Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference: Page 1357[21] The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VI 655[22] [23] [24] [25] 'Orl%C3%A9ans,_duc_de_Longueville [26] [27] [28] ................
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