Volusia County, Florida



JANUARY 23, 2014, >> VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL >> >>> GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER. TODAY IS JANUARY 23, 2014. I CAN'T SAY IT. TODAY IS THE 23 OF JANUARY 2014. LET'S READ THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. I HAVE A FEELING THERE IS A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. THE VOLUSIA COUNTY WELCOMES YOUR INVOLVEMENT. PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD. AFTER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED BY THE COUNTY CHAIR, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS. YOU MAY SPEAK FOR 3 MINUTES FOR A TOPIC FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OR WHEN AN AGENDA ITEM IS HEARD. PLEASE BE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL OF THE USE OF OTHERS, PERSONAL ATTACKS ON COUNTY MEMBERS ARE NOT TOLERATED.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING. MISS ZIMMERMAN CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. PATTERSON, WAGNER, DANIELS, IS NOT PRESENT, MISS DENNY'S, MR. DAVIS.

PRESENT. THANK YOU. OKAY, TODAY'S INVOCATION PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY JOHN BLACKMORE. I WANTED TO CALL YOU BLACKSTONE FOR SOME REASON. ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOME MAGIC?

WE NEED. IT LET'S PLEASE RISE. FATHER WE COME TODAY AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSING OF LIFE, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE BLESSING FOR THIS TIME IN THIS NATION, FATHER. WE THANK YOU THAT YOU HAVE BLESSED US AS A PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GOVERN, TO SET AGENDAS AND MAKE LAWS. FATHER, I PLAY TODAY THAT WHATEVER IS DISCUSSED IN ISSUES HERE THAT WE WOULD SEEK YOUR GUIDANCE, SEEK YOUR WISDOM. FATHER I PRAY THAT YOU WILL ALLOW THOSE IN AUTHORITY THAT YOU WILL ALLOW THEM TO HAVE YOUR WISDOM AND DO YOUR JUSTICE AND YOUR MERCY. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSING OF BEING A CHILD OVER ALL THINGS AND I ASK THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AMEN. WE CAN TURN TO THE FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION INVISIBLE WITH A LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE BE SEATED.

OKAY. FOR THE RECORD ITEM NO. 19 HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA. IF ANYONE IS HERE TO DISCUSS ITEM NO. 19. LET ME LOOK REAL QUICK TO SEE WHICH ONE IT WAS. IT WAS THE AWARD OF A DESIGN AND BUILT CONTRACT TO GIBBS AND REGISTRAR INCORPORATED FOR THE SPRING TRAIL. IF YOU ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THAT, THAT ITEM HAS BEEN PULLED AND WILL BE READDRESSED TO A LATER DATE TO BE NOTIFIED. OTHER THAN THAT. WOULD YOU CARE TO PULL AN AGENDA ITEM?

MR. WAGNER, NONE, CUSACK, MISS DENISE, I PULL NONE. WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SO MOVED.

I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. SECOND BY PATTERSON AND DENSE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE".

AYE.

OPPOSED? SO CARRIED OFF. MR. DANIELS STILL NOT PRESENT. MOVING RIGHT ON. ITEM NO. 1A. JOEN P JONI HUNT. IT SAYS INTRODUCTION.

INTRODUCTION BY JONI HUNT.

BY. THERE IS A WORD MISSING.

GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS TIME ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY REPRESENTING THE DAYTONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. HE ASKED ME TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE. WHAT I WAS ASKED TO BRING BEFORE YOU BOTH CHAIRMAN OF BOTH CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE. I HAVE WITH ME TODAY ED NOSE WORTHY FROM THE LAND AREA COMMERCE PRESIDENT AND ALSO CEO OF FLORIDA HOSPITAL IN ORANGE CITY.

GOOD MORNING. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. AS INCOMING PRESIDENT FOR THE CHAMBER, WE ARE ALWAYS ABOUT LOOKING AT GROWING MEMBERSHIP, RETAINING MEMBERSHIP AND ALSO LOOKING AT RETAINING BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS DOING OUR PART IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ONE THING WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON THIS YEAR IS REALLY BRING INTO AWARENESS INTO BUSINESS COMMUNITY OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HEALTHY AND REALLY LOOKING AT TRYING TO INCREASE THE HEALTH OF THE PEOPLE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE WEST SIDE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY BUT I HOPE WITH SOME OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THE EAST SIDE WITH THE MAYOR'S CHALLENGE ON THE BEACH AND ON THE MAYOR'S THIS SIDE OF TOWN GETTING TO LOOK AT THE CONSTITUENTS LOOKING AT THEIR HOUSE. WE FIND VOLUSIA COUNTY IS 42 OUT OF THE COUNTIES IN HELP. I FEEL IT'S THE BIGGEST PLAYGROUND LET ALONE A PLACE TO WORK THAT IT SHOULD PROVIDE A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT THEREFORE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THIS COUNTY. THAT WILL BE THE FOCUS OF OURS AS WE MOVE THROUGH 2014. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU, SIR. AND I HAVE TO MAKE NOTATION FOR THE RECORD, MR. DANIELS IS PRESENT NOW. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MISS NORTHEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT?

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HEALTHY, THIS IS WHAT WE EAT ALL DAY IS CANDY AND PRETS PRETZELS. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO IN OUR COMMUNITY T HOSPITAL IN SOUTHWEST VOLUSIA IS WELL DONE AND INCREDIBLE AND THE HEALTH CARE YOU ARE PROVIDING THERE IS EXCELLENT AND TO HAVE YOU STAND UP AS A COMMUNITY ROLE. AND YOU DIDN'T SHARE IT THAT YOU WILL CHALLENGED YOUR OWN BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THEY HAVE THE BRACELETS IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T FOLLOWED THOSE.

THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE. WE'LL DISCUSS THAT LATER.

I'M PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU DO PUSH-UPS. 10 THOUSAND STEPS A DAY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SERVING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. ITEM NO. 1. WE ARE INTO ITEM NO. 1, THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER 19, 2013, COUNCIL MEETING. WE'LL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION.

MOVE APPROVAL.

MOTION FROM APPROVAL FROM MISS DENNIS AND PATTERSON. ANY CHANGES? OKAY. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE".

AYE.

OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. WE HAVE PROCLAMATION PRESENTED OUTSIDE OF THE CHAMBERS. THANK YOU MR. PART PATTERSON FOR FILLING IN ON THAT AND MARTIN LUTHER KING JR..

I PRESENTED ALL FOUR OF THE PROCLAMATIONS AROUND THE COUNTY IN HONOR OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.. IT WAS ALL WELL RECEIVED BY THE CITIZENS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE".

AYE.

OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. RIGHT ON TIME. ITEM NO. 3 IS A PRESENTATION BY THE SAINT JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ON THE DRAFT DISTRICT WATER SUPPLY PLAN. IT'S A REVISED POWERPOINT. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, VICE-CHAIR AND HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS MORNING WE HAVE A PRESENTATION TO BEGIN BY THE SAINT JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FOR THE DRAFT WATER SUPPLY PLAN. THEY HAVE BECOME WORKING ON THIS PLAN, IT'S A PROCESS THEY GO THROUGH EVERY 5 YEARS. I WANT TO JUST BRING TO THE ATTENTION THAT THE WEST VOLUSIA WATER SUPPLIER FROM THE CITY'S OF DLAEN, ORANGE COUNTY HAVE MET REGULARLY WITH THE PROVIDERS OF THIS CITY TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THIS PLAN. THE PRESENTATION TODAY WILL BE PROVIDED BY MR. TOM BAR TOLL. THEY HAVE ALSO THEY HAVE ANOTHER MEETING LATER TODAY AT THE DISTRICT. I BELIEVE IT'S A 5:00 PRESENTATION. SO THEY NEED TO GET IN AND GET OUT. WE WILL HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THIS PRESENTATION, A LITTLE MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 29TH. OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY PLAN. NOW I WILL INTRODUCE YOU MR. TOM BAR TOLL.

GOOD MORNING, I AM TOM BAR TOLL. 4049 REED STREET, FLORIDA.

IF YOU ARE DOING A PRESENTATION TO STAFF, YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE YOUR POSITION, SIR.

I'M THE ASSISTANT DIVISION DIRECTOR FOR REGULATORY ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AT SAINT JOHN'S. WITH ME IS NANCY CHRISTIAN, SHE'S FROM OUR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE. I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROCESS WE ARE ABOUT TO RELEASE AND THE PROCESS WE ARE ENTERING INTO THE REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PLAN. THIS IS THE FIRST PLAN WE HAVE DONE SINCE 2005 OF THE WATER SUPPLY OF THE DISTRICT. I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE WATER SUPPLY PLAN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING ABOUT THE FUTURE AND SOME OPTIONS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. WE WANT YOUR INPUT AND REVIEW AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THIS WATER SUPPLY PLAN DOES TALK ABOUT AND ADDRESSES THE WATER SUPPLY NEEDS OF THE DISTRICT THROUGH 2035, BUT THE OTHER SIDE IS THAT WHILE PROTECTING THE WATER RESOURCES OF THE STATE. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN IT ABOUT AN EVALUATION OF WATER RESOURCES. I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THAT AND THAT'S MORE OF WHAT I'M INVOLVED WITH WHICH IS THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE THAT. WE HAVE ACTUALLY DETERMINED SUSTAIN ABLE WITHDRAWAL LIMITS FOR THE VARIOUS REGIONS IN THE PLAN. AFTER WE DEFINE THE WATER RESOURCES WE MOVE INTO SOLUTIONS AND HOW WE HAVE PROJECTED THOSE DEMANDS. THIS IS UPDATED EVERY 5 YEARS. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE SLIDE. TWO VERTICAL AXIS ON THE LEFT IS WATER USE IN MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AND ON THE RIGHT IS POPULATION. THIS OF COURSE IS FOR THE 18 COUNTY AREA OF ST. JOHN'S 4.7 MILLION PEOPLE ABOUT 25% OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THIS ALSO SHOWS WATER USE BY CATEGORY AND THE TWO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ARE THE BLUE WHICH IS PUBLIC SUPPLY, THAT IS THE UTILITY. IF YOU TURN ON YOUR FAUCET. THAT ABOVE THAT IS AGRICULTURE IN GREEN. TAKING A MESSAGE FROM THIS SLIDE, A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. THE IMPORTANT INFORMATION IS THAT SINCE ABOUT THE MID-90s, WATER USE IN THE DISTRICT, 47 MILLION PEOPLE, WATER USE HAS BEEN FLAT. IT'S HOVERED AROUND 1.2 BILLION GALLONS A DAY OR 12.1 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. THAT BLACK LINE HAS INCREASED ABOUT A MILLION 1/2. FOR US IN THE WATER BUSINESS AND WATER RESOURCES, THAT'S A GOOD NEWS STORY. WE SEE WATER USE PER CAPITA DECLINING SINCE THE 90S. THAT'S TO WATER CONSERVATION. WE HAVE ADDED A MILLION 1/2 PEOPLE BUT WATER HAS BEEN FLAT SINCE THE MID-90s. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART IN WATER BUDGET AND THE THINGS WE DO IN WATER RESOURCES. THESE ARE OUR DEMANDS PROJECTIONS. SIMILAR IN SLIDE BY CATEGORY. THE LARGEST CATEGORY IS PUBLIC SUPPLY, THE NEXT IS AGRICULTURE AND IF YOU CALLED, I SAID IT'S ABOUT 1.2 BILLION. START OFF WITH 2010. OUR ESTIMATE IS 1.5 BILLION FOR 2035. THAT'S 25% GREATER THAN THE WATER USE WE SEE TODAY. ANOTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE DISTRICT IS IF YOU LOOK BACK INTO THE 80s AND 90s, AGRICULTURE WAS OUR LARGEST WATER USE. IN ST. JOHN'S DISTRICT THAT HAS BEEN SURPASSED BY PUBLIC SUPPLY. AGRICULTURAL WATER USE IS GOING DOWN AND PUBLIC SUPPLY TENDS TO BE INCREASING. SO, WHAT DRIVES THAT 1.2 BILLION CURRENT WATER USE TO THE 1.5 IN THE FUTURE, WHAT DRIVES THAT IS POPULATION INCREASES FROM 4.7 MILLION TO 6.5. WE ARE PROJECTING A 30% INCREASE IN POPULATION FOR OUR DISTRICT OVER THIS TIME TO 2035. AND YOU MAY WANT TO KNOW HOW DID WE DETERMINE THAT. OUR STAFFS ARE NOT DEMOGRAPHERS, WE ARE ENGINEERS AND HYDROLOGIST AND SCIENTIST AND PLANNERS AND WE USE THE FLORIDA STATISTICAL DEMOGRAPHIC CALLED BUREAU OF ECONOMIC AND RESEARCH. WE USE THEIR PROJECTIONS FOR OUR POPULATION. WE ARE REQUIRED TO USE THEIR NUMBERS FOR POPULATION PROJECTIONS. FOR THE FIRST TIME AND I FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE DIVIDED OUR WATER SUPPLY PLANS INTO PLANNING REGIONS. WE HAVE THE NORTHERN PART REGION ONE, WHERE WE ARE TODAY REGION TWO TO MARIJUANA AN COUNTY AND WE HAVE A JOINT WATER SUPPLY THERE WITH SOUTHWEST AND SOUTH FLORIDA MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND ON THE RIGHT REGION. WHY DID WE DO THIS? WE THINK THIS ENABLES US TO DEAL WITH REGIONAL ISSUES INSTEAD OF THE ENTIRE DISTRICT AND WE PLAN ON CONTINUING THAT AND DEAL WITH REGIONAL ISSUES AND REGIONAL SOLUTIONS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF COORDINATION AND COLLABORATION GOING ON. IT'S A LITTLE LESS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY BECAUSE WE DON'T ABUT OTHER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS BUT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS WERE BASED ON SURFACE WATER AND THE PRIMARY WATER SUPPLY FOR THE DISTRICT IS GROUND WATER AND GROUND WATER DOESN'T HONOR THE GROUND WATER BASIN. THESE ARE ABUT AND THEY AFFECT THE OTHER SUPPLY. WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS COLLABORATION. I'M GOING TO SPEND A MINUTE -- ON THIS. THERE IS A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON THE PLAN. WATER RESOURCE ANALYSIS. THIS IS HOW THEY DETERMINE SUSTAINABLE LEVELS OF WATER SUPPLY. WE TALKED ABOUT 2 BILLION GOING TO 1.5 BILLION. WE MAKE AN ASSUMPTION IN OUR WATER RESOURCE ANALYSIS THAT WE MEET THOSE FUTURE DEMANDS WITH TRADITIONAL EXISTING SOURCES. THAT MEANS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY AND THROUGH OUR DISTRICT THAT MEANS FRESH GROUND WATER. I ASSUME WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE DO TODAY IN THE PAST AND WE MEET ALL OF THOSE DEMANDS WITH TRADITIONAL SOURCES AND THEN WE MODEL THAT AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE FROM 1.2 BILLION TO 1.5 BILLION WE SEE CHANGES IN THE AWE KAU AQUA FILL LEVELS AND THE CHANGES CAN RESULT IN UNACCEPTABLE IMPACTS TO WATER RESOURCES. I MEAN THE SPRINGS AND THE LAKES AND THE WET LANDS AND THE RIVERS. ONE OF THE EASIEST ONE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU INCREASE LEVELS IN THE AK FURZ, WHAT YOU IT DOES IS INCREASE FLOW. THAT'S A CONCERN FOR US AND THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE THE SUSTAIN ABLE LEVELS THAT I MENTIONED. THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE FROM MANY YEARS OF WORK WHICH TRADITIONAL GROUNDS CAN MEAN ALL BUT NOT ALL DEMANDS. THE PROJECTION INCREASE THE VIABILITY BY 250 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND THE ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT IF WE USE JUST TRADITION SOURCES, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO SEE WELLS WITH GROUND WATER QUALITY ISSUES AND THAT WE WOULD SEE LAKES PROJECTED TO FALL BELOW THE MINIMUM LEVELS AND SPRINGS. SO THAT IS KIND OF WHAT I SAY DEFINING THE PROBLEM WITH OUR ANALYSIS AND OUR FUTURE DEMANDS. AN IMPORTANT PART OF WATER SUPPLY PLAN IS HOW DO WE THEN MEES THOSE FUTURE DEMANDS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES. THIS IS THE MAJOR EFFORTS IN ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AND OFTEN THE LEAST COSTLY ONE IS WATER CONSERVATION. I WILL SAY IN THIS AREA, IN VOLUSIA COUNTY THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS MADE ON WATER CONSERVATION. IT DEPENDS ON INDIVIDUAL UTILITIES, BUT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF EFFORTS HERE TO DEAL WITH THAT. WE SEE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE DISTRICT LESS. SO THE WATER CONSERVATION HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THIS AREA. SECONDLY, MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES, HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE THAT GROUND WATER. THAT IS REMAINING AND HOW DO WE OPTIMIZE THE GROUND WATER WE ARE USING NOW. THAT INCLUDES PUMPING AROUND AND SHARING AROUND WATER RESOURCES AND THIRD IS THE USE OF RECLAIM WATER NOT AS WE HAVE TODAY BUT IN THE FUTURE. RECLAIM WATER CAN BE EFFECTIVE FOR OUTDOOR IRRIGATION AND RECHARGING THE AUTOMATIC IF YOU ARE THE -- FUR. IN INSTEAD OF USING IT FOR SOME KIND OF BENEFICIAL USE. GENERALLY THE WATER SUPPLY, THE USE OF SURFACE WATER AND USE OF GROUND WATER AND USE OF DESALINATED SEA WATER. ALL OF THAT IS BEING USED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DESALINATED SEA WATER. BUT THEY DO HAVE A DESALINATED PLANT. THEY HAVE BEEN USED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AND I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FUND ABOUT $17 MILLION WORTH OF THESE PROJECTS. THERE HAS BEEN A MUCH CONCERN AND I HAVE DONE SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ON THE USE OF SAINT JOHN'S RIVER . IT DOES PROVIDE WATER SUPPLY POWER GENERATION AND RECLAIMED WATER. ABOUT 5 BILLION GALLONS A DAY IS DISCHARGED TO THE OCEAN. WE IN THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS TRYING TO ADD MORE WATER AND TRYING TO PUT IT BACK TO ITS NATURAL FLOW. WE ALSO CONDUCTED A 4-YEAR STUDY TO LOOK AT THE EFFECTED OF THE WITHDRAWALS AND CONCLUDED THAT UP TO 155 MILLION GALLONS CAN BE WITHDRAWN FROM ST. JOHN WITH MINIMAL EFFECT. FINALLY WE DID HAVE THAT STUDY AND THEY CONCLUDED THAT STUDY WAS APPROPRIATE AND ADEQUATE. THIS IS THE REGION WE ARE IN NOW AND I MENTIONED THE REGIONAL APPROACH. VOLUSIA NORTH LANE, MARYANN COUNTY, OUR POPULATION WE GOT FROM BEAVER DO INDICATE INCREASES IN POPULATIONS AND INCREASES ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE REST OF THE SECTION. WE PREDICT 30% INCREASE HERE AND WE HAVE A SUSTAINABLE LEVEL LOWER THAN THOSE INCREASED DEMANDS. HERE WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR WATER SUPPLY OPTIONS. THERE IS CONSERVATION POTENTIAL AND A GOOD PORTION OF THAT CAN BE MADE UP FOR CONSERVATION AND AGAIN THERE IS ALSO SOME POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED WASTE WATER AND RECLAIMED WATER REUSE POTENTIAL IN THIS AREA. THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP TO THESE WATER SUPPLY PLANS THAT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS DO AND LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING AND OUR PLAN IS A WATER RESOURCE CAUTION AREA AND USE IS A WATER SUPPLY. THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE WITH MID-SIZE AND LARGER UTILITIES. THEY HAVE THESE WORK PLANS AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM THROUGH THAT AND YOU HAVE THIS TO SHOW WATER SUPPLY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

WE DO WANT YOUR REVIEW AND YOUR STAFF TO REVIEW OUR PLANS, OUR POPULATION PROJECTIONS AND HOW WE DETERMINED THE WATER DEMANDS AND HOW WE'VE ALLOCATED THOSE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR INPUT. THIS PROCESS HAS A HEAVY DOSE OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS GOING ON, 1:00 AND 5:00. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TECHNICAL METHODS WORKSHOP WHICH IS MORE FOR CONSULTANTS AND ENGINEERS AND SCIENTIST AND STAFF TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE TECHNICAL WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS PLAN AND AFTER THAT WE HAVE A MORE GENERAL PUBLIC MEETING. THE LAST CHAPTER OF THE PLAN TALKS ABOUT AN ACTION PLAN AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW WE ARE GOING GET THERE. NO. 1, PROMOTE CONSERVATION. MY GROUP DOES THE WATER SUPPLY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT POSTURING. WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO SUPPORT THESE WATER SUPPLY PROJECTS AND WE WANT TO INTEGRATE THIS WATER SUPPLY PLANNING WITH OUR PERMITTING BUSINESS. NEXT STEPS, WHEN YOU GO ON THE PLAN, YOU EXCEED NUMEROUS, THERE IS THREE WAYS TO PROVIDE COMMENTS. YOU CAN GO TO OUR E-MAIL ADDRESS. OUR PLAN IS ON THE WEBSITE AND SECONDLY YOU CAN FILL IN THE BLOCKS OR YOU CAN E-MAIL US. YOU CAN GIVE US WRITTEN COMMENTS THROUGH MAIL AND THAT ADDRESS IS ON THERE. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ON THE DISTRICT DRAFT WATER SUPPLY PLAN.

THANK YOU, SIR. DON'T GO NO WHERE. MISS NORTHEY?

DID YOU SAY YOUR NAME IS TOM?

YES.

PLEASE DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND MY COMMENT, BUT THAT WAS NOT ANYTHING WHAT I WAS EXPECTING THAT I HAD HOPED THAT WE WOULD HAVE TODAY. YOU DIDN'T PRESENT A PLAN. YOU JUST GAVE ME AN OVERVIEW OF YOUR PROCESS. SO, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN, TOM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK. WE ARE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY A SOLE SOURCE AQUIFER, YOU DID NOT ADDRESS THAT, DID YOU NOT ADDRESS BLUE SPRINGS. I HAVE NO WHERE TO GO WITH THIS AND WE DON'T GET A PUBLIC HEARING IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. WE HAVE WATER WITHDRAWALS THAT THE COUNTY'S UPSTREAM IS GOING TO BE TAKING WATER OUT. WE HAVE NO INFORMATION FOR THAT. EXCUSE ME, I GOT NOTHING FOR THIS. I GOT MORE OUT OF THE OTHER PLAN THAN VOLUSIA COUNTY. IF THE CITIES AND COUNTY IN WEST VOLUSIA AND THE SPRING SHED ARE BEING TOLD THEY HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE AUTOMATIC AUTOMATIC FIRST -- THERE ARE OPTIONS OF WEST VOLUSIA THAT THE INCLUDE A PLAN. PERHAPS IT'S THERE, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHERE TO BEGIN OTHER THAN WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT WATER ISSUES IN VOLUSIA COUNTY, WEST VOLUSIA IN PARTICULAR AND THE WATER SHED IS TROUBLING TO MANY OF US BECAUSE IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUE. TAKING WATER OUT OF THE RIVER. THIS COUNTY CAN NOT PARTICIPATE IN YANKEE LAKE WHICH I SUPPORTED WHICH WAS I WAS THE ONE WHO SUPPORTED NOT TO DO THAT AND NOW WE HAVE ISSUES COMING OUT OF THE ORLANDO AREA. I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN. I HAD ASKED TO GET A SAINT JOHN'S RIVER UPDATE ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. DID I MISS IT?

I DON'T THINK IT WAS THERE TO THE SPECIFICITY THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED.

ARE WE NOT HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING IN VOLUSIA

WE ARE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING IN VOLUSIA BY THE DISTRICT. THEY WILL BE PRESENTING TO AREA JURISDICTIONS IN OUR TRAINING ROOM ON THE 29TH. AND I EXPECT THAT WILL HAVE MORE DETAIL BECAUSE OF THAT SETTING. TODAY'S PURPOSE WAS TO BRING TO YOU EXACTLY WHAT THE DISTRICT HAS PUBLISHED IN TERMS OF THEIR PLAN. WE DO HAVE --

I'M SORRY THERE WAS NO PLAN PRESENTED.

THERE ARE PROJECTS, A SERIES OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE HOW THERE WAS GOING TO BE COUNTY WIDE HOW WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THE SHORTFALLS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY.

WE CAN PRESENT IF YOU WANT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS IF YOU WANT TO TODAY, OTHERWISE WE CAN AGENDA IT FOR THE FUTURE. THERE IS A SERIES OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, THEY DO FALL PRIMARY ON WEST VOLUSIA IN TERMS OF COST AND IMPLEMENTATION.

WHICH IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

MARYANN, IF I MAY JUMP IN. THESE ISSUES ARE SO BIG AND THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND I DON'T THINK EVERY COUNCILMEMBER HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS. THIS HAS BEEN THE ON GOING TOPIC SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST 8 YEARS. THE ISSUE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY THAT ARE IN PLACE PAYS A LARGER PORTION OF THE BURDEN FOR A STATE RESOURCE.

RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM. AND IT CAN'T BE IGNORED. SO I DO THINK --

IT WAS IGNORED TODAY.

I HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR. I'M SAYING THAT I DO BELIEVE IT'S BIG ENOUGH THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE AGENDA SEPARATELY. WE HAVE A BIG DAY WITH A LOT OF OTHER INFORMATION. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THAT BIG. I THINK IT'S A BIG ENOUGH ISSUE THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET INTO IT, YOU CAN GET INTO A WHOLE DAY ON THAT ISSUE.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. WE CAN'T DO IT TODAY, BUT I'M FRUSTRATED, I'M IN INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATED WITH THIS PRESENTATION AND WITH THE FACT THAT WE SEEM TO HAVE A SERIOUS ISSUE AND IT'S BEING LEFT ONLY TO THE LOCALS, THE FEW LOCALS TO FIX IT. IT IS NOT JUST OUR ISSUE. IT IS, MR. MANAGER, AS YOU SAID, IT'S A STATE AND NATIONAL RESOURCE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BLUE SPRING AND TO EXPECT THAT JUST WITH VOLUSIA CITIES WILL BARE THAT BURDEN AND THAT BURDEN WILL BE A LOSS OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY UNLESS THEY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX IT. THAT IS IN CONCEIVABLE THAT YOU WOULD NOT ADDRESS IT. I'M DONE.

THE OTHER THING THAT CAN'T BE LOST IS THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MADE AN ENORMOUS DECISION TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROTECTED FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE THE BEST WE COULD THE WEST SIDE COMMUNITIES AND IT IS STILL NOT ADDRESSED. THE BIGGEST THING FOR PEOPLE IS THAT THE CUPS ARE NOT SEEING COLLECTIVELY AND THEY SEEM TO BE DISCONNECTED IN TERMS OF THE WATER IN THE REST OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. IT IS A BIG ISSUE AND WILL BECOME A LOT BIGGER AS TIME GOES ON.

ESPECIALLY AS THE ECONOMY TURNS AROUND. THERE WAS A MOMENTUM ON THIS ISSUE AND THE ECONOMY TANKED AND NOW ECONOMY IS TURNING AROUND AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET ENERGY BACK INTO THEIR COMMUNITIES AND THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A ROAD PLAN THAT INCLUDES EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE, INCLUDING ST. JOHN'S. >> ALL RIGHT, MR. PATTERSON? >> INDULGE ME FOR SEVERAL QUESTIONS. I KIND OF AGREE WITH MS. NORTHEY. I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR YEARS AND THIS WAS A HUGE ISSUE AS A STATE LEGISLATOR ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THE FALL OUT FROM GEORGIA AND WHAT WAS GOING ON AND THE BATTLE WITH GEORGIA OVER THE WATER COMING IN AND THE OYSTER BEDS WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. WHERE YOU SHOW THE HISTORICAL AND THE WATER MANAGEMENT COMING FROM DOOUFL COUNTY AND -- COUNTIES. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IT SHOWING. I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WITH 5 BILLION GALLONS A DAY GOING INTO OCEAN, WHY IS EVERYBODY SO UPSET OF TAKING A FEW MILLION GALLONS OUT OF VOLUSIA COUNTY WHEN IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING SITUATION. I KNOW THAT I WAS TALKING TO ONE OF MY CITY MANAGERS AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT SOME OF THESE CONDOS HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE GRASS HAS TO BE A CERTAIN GREEN OR SOMETHING AND THEY HAVE 30-35 THOUSAND GALLONS A DAY JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE GRASS GREEN. THESE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES WE NEED TO WORK ON THERE IS GETTING BEYOND THAT.

YES.

IT'S A BIG ISSUE, I KNOW. I THINK IT'S NOT ONLY FLORIDA, IT'S WHERE THE ADJOINING COUNTIES ARE ALSO AROUND US. BECAUSE WE RELY ON A FLOW OF WATER OUT OF GEORGIA, CORRECT?

I THINK THERE IS A NOTION THAT THE FLORIDA AQUA FIR FLOWS DOWN FROM THE NORTH. HOWEVER WE NOW IN SAINT JOHN'S ARE WORKING WITH GEORGIA ON A GROUND MODEL TO GATHER DATE. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PUMPING UP SOUTH GEORGIA AND THE WAY IT AFFECTS NORTH FLORIDA.

I UNDERSTAND BETWEEN VOLUSIA COUNTY THERE IS A SPRING GOING INTO OCEAN FROM THE AUTOMATIC AUK FUR .

UNFORTUNATELY THAT WATER IS NOT CLEAN AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CREATED TREATED.

LASTLY, SOME OF OUR CITIES ARE DUMPING TREATED WASTE WATER INTO THE HALIFAX. IS THAT A CONCERN OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT THAT WATER IS GOING INTO HALIFAX AND INTO THE OCEAN ALSO?

IT'S A CONCERN, BUT ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY, NOT ONLY IN THE HALIFAX BUT THE SAINT JOHN'S RIVER, WE HAVE A MUNICIPALITY DOING THAT. THERE IS A WATER QUALITY PORTION OF WORKING TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOADS AND HOW WE DEAL WITH THOSE KIND OF ISSUES, BUT IF THERE IS WATER THAT IS GOING INTO A SURFACE WATER BODY FROM THE WATER SUPPLY SIDE THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CAPTURE THAT WATER AND REDUCE GROUND WATER BY USING THAT WATER, FOR EXAMPLE, OUTDOOR IRRIGATION OR RECHARGE.

DO YOU MEASURE THAT AMOUNT OF WATER BEING DUMPED INTO IT?

WE DON'T MEASURE IT, BUT I CAN GET THAT DATA.

THANK YOU.

MS. CUSACK.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I KNOW THIS IS A HUGE SUBJECT FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. MY QUESTION FOR YOU AS THE ST. JOHN WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. WHAT EFFORTS ARE YOU DOING TO PROMOTE THE WATER CONSERVATION?

WE HAVE A COMPONENT OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS THAT DOES OUTREACH WITH WATER CONSERVATION AND THE CONSERVATION WORK THAT I'M DOING. WE DO A LOT OF TECHNICAL WORK TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE CONSERVATION MEASURES FOR COST AND SO WE HAVE A STAFF THAT IS FULL TIME WORKING BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AND HOW TO MAXIMIZE THE DOLLAR TO MAXIMIZE CONSERVATION. THE OTHER THING WE ARE DOING IS WE HAVE COST SHARE CONSCIOUS SHARE. WE HAVE COST SHARE FOR WATER SUPPLIERS. THAT'S THE COMPONENT WE ARE DOING AND WE HOPE THE UTILITIES TURN TO CONSERVATION FIRST BEFORE THEY TURN TO WATER SUPPLY PROJECTS.

MY NEXT QUESTION IS THE COLLABORATION WITH THE COUNTIES THAT MOST IMPACTED BY THE LACK OF WATER. AND HOW WE ARE DISBURSING WATER IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. WHAT COLLABORATION IS THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DOING WITH VOLUSIA COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED WITH. I KNOW THAT WE ALL NEED THE WATER. BUT WHAT SPECIFICS ARE YOU ALL DOING. I KNOW WE ARE NOT LISTED ON THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. HOW COME WE GET THE MESSAGE TO CONSTITUENTS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY BECAUSE WE ARE VERY IMPACTED BY THIS.

YES, OBVIOUSLY A MEETING LIKE THIS AND A WORKSHOP. WE CAN PROVIDE ANY LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU WANT. I JUST TO HAVE SAY THIS. I'M VERY RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME. I PUT TOGETHER THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT I'M GIVING TO MANY COUNTY COMMISSIONS. I DID ONE ALREADY AND IN 12-15 MINUTES AND I WANTED TO GET THE CONTEXT OF THE WATER PLANNING EFFORT. BUT WE CAN COME BACK AND GET INTO VERY DETAILED EFFORTS OF WHAT THE WATER RESOURCE ISSUES ARE AND THE WATER SUPPLY. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE WEST VOLUSIA COUNTY UTILITIES FOR SEVERAL YEARS IN COOPERATIVE EFFORTS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND PROVIDE SOLUTIONS TO THESE WATER SUPPLY ISSUES.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO US HAVING MORE DIALOGUE. I THINK THIS IN ALL FAIRNESS IS A HUGE SUBJECT AND YOU CANNOT DO JUSTICE BY PROVIDING 15 MINUTES. SO THANK YOU FOR OVERVIEW AND I LOOK FORWARD FOR US TO REALLY BEGIN TO PUT MEAT ON THE BONES, IF YOU WILL AS WE DEAL WITH THE WATER ISSUES. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR ME.

THANK YOU. MR. DANIELS?

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, BUT I DO HAVE TO AGREE WITH MISS NORTHEY. IT'S LESS THAN WHAT I EXPECTED. I ASSUME THAT YOU DO ACTUALLY HAVE A WRITTEN PLAN SOMEWHERE?

THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE CONTEXT OF MY PRESENTATION.

SO THERE IS A PLAN?

YES, SIR.

ARE THERE SPECIFIC PROGRAMS OR SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT ARE MENTIONED IN THAT PLAN THAT YOU INTEND TO DO?

ABSOLUTELY. I SUBMITTED MORE THAN 85 PROJECTS AND MEASURES AND PLAN TO ADDRESS THESE FEATURED DEMANDS. >> CAN YOU SEND ME A COPY?

IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE BUT I WILL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU THAT.

I WILL GET IT FROM THE WEBSITE.

TO GET IT, HOW IS THAT DONE?

YOU CAN REQUEST IT FROM ME.

CONSIDER IT REQUESTED.

MR. WAGNER.

IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET THOSE E-MAIL UPDATES. IN NOVEMBER T MANAGEMENT BOARD PASSED A SPECIFIC STRATEGY SPECIFICALLY TO BLUE SPRINGS. IT'S A BIG DEAL AND MENTIONED. I READ THE PLAN ONLINE. IT'S 118 PAGE DOCUMENT. IT'S PROVIDED ONLINE. IF YOU ARE ON THE E-MAIL, IT'S VERY EASY TO GET. IT'S DIVIDED BY REGION. I THINK IT WAS GREAT YOU SET IT UP THAT WAY. IT WAS WELL DONE. I THINK YOUR BOARD DOES A GREAT JOB. I AGREE IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP HERE AS FAR AS THE MEETING. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AS FAR AS THE DRAFT IS CONCERNED, THE ONLY THING I WOULD CHANGE IS HAVING THAT WORKSHOP HERE. IT'S VERY SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT YOU HAVE. IT SEEMS VERY SCIENCE BASED SINCE IT WHAT I APPRECIATE. WHEN YOU HEAR POLITICS, YOU HEAR DIFFERENT SIDES. I FEEL IT'S BACKED UP AND WELL PUT TOGETHER. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME HERE. IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU HERE AND GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE IT. THANKS.

MY TURN. AS I WAS LISTENING TO MY FELLOW COUNSELORS HERE, I WAS EXPECTING A LOT MORE ON THE PLAN. THAT SAID, I THINK IT'S BEEN BEAT. MY UNDERSTANDING WE ARE HAVING A WORKSHOP ON THE 29TH, IN REFERENCE TO THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE SPECIFICS ON THIS PLAN. I WILL GO TO THE WEBSITE AND TRY TO GET THROUGH THE 119. WE SOMETIMES GET TREATED UNFAIRLY BY OTHER COUNTIES WHETHER IT'S THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE COUNTIES TO OUR NORTH THAT ARE GOING TO BE DRAWING A COUPLE MILLION GALLONS OF WATER OUT OF THE SAINT JOHN'S RIVER WHICH COULD CAUSE OUR SPRINGS TO NOT PUT OUT AS MUCH WATER AS THEY NORMALLY DO. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF AN EQUAL PLAN. A LITTLE MORE EQUAL BETWEEN COUNTY AND COUNTY ALL THE WAY UP TO SAINT JOHN'S RIVER. IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT RESTRICTION OR IF SAINT JOHN'S IS GOING TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON WELL DRILLING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE RESTRICTION AROUND THE WHOLE REGION. LET'S KIND OF LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD A LITTLE BIT AND I WILL HAVE MORE COMMENTS ONCE I GET PLAN OFF THE INTERNET AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WITH ALL THAT SAID, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF OR COUNCIL? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL SEE YOU IN A COUPLE WEEKS. >> MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM NO. 4. MR. DONALD POOR. GOOD MORNING SIR. THIS IS THE MARKETING SUPPORT FISCAL YEAR 14. THIS IS THE FIRST REPORT FROM YOU. I'M EXCITED TO HEAR IT.

GREAT. I'M EXCITED TO DELIVER IT. I'M DONE POOR THE DIRECTOR. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU THE FIRST QUARTERLY REPORT REGARDING THE HALIFAX ADVERTISING BOARD ALLOCATION OF $400,000 TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE MARKETING TRADE SHOWS FOR THE FACILITY. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU IN YOUR PACKET IS A CHART THAT SHOWS GRAPHICALLY WHICH IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'LL BE SPENDING ON THE VARIOUS DISCIPLINES AND THE PERCENTAGES TO THE BUDGET ALLOCATED TO EACH ONE OF THOSE THINGS. THE SECOND THING WE HAVE PROCEEDED WITH YOU FOR YOUR PERUSAL IS HOW WE'LL DISTRIBUTE THOSE FUNDS AND THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE PROCESS. ESSENTIALLY FROM THE BUDGET STANDPOINT IT BREAKS DOWN INTO TWO CATEGORIES. NO. 1 IS PERSONNEL. WE HAVE AS A PART OF THE PROGRAM ESTABLISHED TWO POSITIONS. ONE IS AN OCEAN SALES MANAGER, THE SECOND POSITION WOULD BE A MARKETING ANALYST WHOSE JOB PRINCIPALLY WOULD BE TO FAIR OUT LEADS TO ALL STAFF SO THEY CAN ACT UPON THEM AS LIVE LEADS. THOSE TWO POSITIONS WHICH ARE BEING ADVERTISED CURRENTLY AS WELL AS THE TRAVEL FUNDS EQUALS TO ABOUT $60,000 FOR THE TOTAL BUDGET. THE REMAINING BUDGET IS $240,000 WHICH WE USED AS A PROMOTIONAL FUND FOR MARKETING OR TRAVEL OR RENTS SUPPLEMENT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. WE HAVE ESTABLISHED IN THE CRITERIA FOR THE GUIDELINE THAT 80% OF THESE FUNDS IN THE PROMOTIONAL FUND OF $240,000 THAT WILL MEET THE CRITERIA FOR A CITYWIDE EVENT THAT WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 3 HOTELS WITH A PEEK NIGHT ALLOCATION OF A THOUSAND ROOMS. 80% OF THAT MONEY WILL BE SPENT FOR NEW EVENTS. WE ARE HOLDING BACK 20% OF THAT MONEY FOR EXISTING EVENTS AND EXISTING EVENTS THAT MAY DEVELOP. THIS IS KIND OF A SAFETY NET FOR US. HISTORICALLY THESE HAVE BEEN MADE TO SUPPORT THESE EVENTS. WE HAVE OUTLINED WITH THE CBB THE EVENTS THAT WE THINK THEY HAVE COMMITTED FUNDS TO AND IF WE FIND ONE FALLS THROUGH THE NET AND WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR BUT GUARANTEED FUNDING WE HAVE FUNDING TO SECURE THE EVENT. THE OTHER SITUATION IS THAT MAYBE WE ARE DOING A HIGH IMPACT EVENT BUT WE DO NOT ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR THEM AND THEY CAN COME TO US AND SAY, WELL, UNDER THE GUIDELINES, WE MEET YOUR GUIDELINES AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR FUNDING. THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER 20%. I WILL ALSO SHARE WITH YOU THAT THESE ARE GUIDELINES THAT WE'LL USE AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE USE OF THE FUNDS IN THE PROCEDURE FOR IT. YOU WILL SEE A STATEMENT THAT SAYS THAT WHEN THE OCEAN CENTER DIRECTOR LEAVES THAT THE EVENT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY AND THE OCEAN CENTER MAY ALTER THESE GUIDELINES TO ACCOMMODATE CERTAIN EVENTS. ONE EVENT THAT WOULD APPLY TO RECENTLY IS THE PAN AMERICAN GAMES AND THE STARS AND STRIPES EVENT THAT WE HAVE COMING IN MAY THIS YEAR. THAT DOES 4,000 SLEEPING ROOM NIGHTS, 750 ROOM NIGHTS ON PEAK, BUT IT HAS A POTENTIAL TO BE A 5-YEAR EVENT AND THAT MOVES OUTSIDE THE GUIDELINES FOR WHICH WE CAN SUPPLY MONEY TO THAT. WE HAVE GUARANTEED THESE FOLKS THAT WE WILL BACKSTOP ABOUT $10,000 IN EXPENSES IF THEY NEED IT FOR THE 3-5 YEAR PERIOD DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY COMMIT TO. AND I THINK THAT PRETTY WELL SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING WITHIN THE PLAN AND I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE OF YOU HAVE.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I'M READING THROUGH HERE. FIRST THINGS, I'M LOOKING AT PROMOTIONAL AND PROMOTIONALS. THE PERCENTAGE, IT SAYS 20% AND SALARIES. THAT CONFUSED ME. I SEE THE NUMBERS AND I SEE THE 20 AND 80% ROCKS A LITTLE BOAT THERE. THAT'S ONE QUESTION. MY BIGGEST QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS YOU NOTE IN THERE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HIRE TWO PEOPLE. ONE IS A SALES MANAGER AND ONE IS A MARKETING SPECIALIST.

CORRECT.

I THOUGHT YOU HAD THOSE?

I'M SORRY?

DON'T YOU HAVE A SALES MARKETING?

WE DO HAVE SALES FOLKS. WE HAVE 3 SALES FOLKS, BUT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO COVER EVER AVAILABLE MARKET NICHE THAT THERE IS OUT THERE. THIS WOULD GIVE US THE ADVANTAGE TO GO AFTER THE NEW MARKET NICHES.

SO YOU ARE HIRING ANOTHER SALES SPECIALIST.

CORRECT, TO COVER WHAT WE ARE NOT COVERING NOW.

YOUR SALES MANAGER POSITION, ARE YOU GOING TO HIRE OUTSIDE?

IT WOULD BE AN OUTSIDE HIRE.

WHY WOULD YOU NOT PROMOTE FROM WITHIN?

WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE TO DO QUALIFIED SALES. THE OTHERS DO OTHER MAINTENANCE TYPE WORK. THE MARKETING FOLKS, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE MARKETING POSITION WE CURRENTLY PAY OUT PRIVATELY TO A COMPANY FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. MR. WAGNER, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS?

I DISAGREED WITH TAKING THE MONEY AND HOW WE HANDLED IT. IN THE PAST I HAVE SUPPORTED THE PLAN. I THINK IT'S A GREAT JOB. THANKS. MAKES SENSE.

WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. WE ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG HERE. LET'S GO TO ITEM NO. 5. THAT WOULD BE MR. RICK CARL.

GOOD MORNING. I'M HERE WITH YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ROBERT . AND YOUR STATUTE LOBBYIST. STATE LOBBYIST. YOU HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA BEFORE YOU TWO MODIFICATIONS. IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME AS THE LAST ONE WITH TWO EXCEPTIONS WITH CLARIFYING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ISSUES. I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU YOUR LOBBYIST.

GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT LEADERS. AS YOU KNOW THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.

ROBERTSON, WORKING WITH VOLUSIA COUNTY GOVERNMENT. AS YOU KNOW THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER. IT WILL BEGIN MARCH 4TH . WE HAVE TWO FORMER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO ARE HERE WHO UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS EXTREMELY WELL. WE HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THE MEETINGS IN JANUARY, AND FEBRUARY 3, '10. WHICH WILL INCLUDE A LOT OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS WHICH WILL GO ON THE WEEK OF THE 10TH. THE GOVERNOR WILL BE RELEASING HIS BUDGET BY THE END OF THE MONTH AND THAT WILL START THE PROCESS FOR WHAT WILL BE IN THE BUDGET AND WHAT RESOURCES WILL BE AVAILABLE AND OF COURSE WE ARE WATCHING A LOT OF THINGS INCLUDING THE SPECIAL INTEREST IN VOLUSIA COUNTY AND SOME REIMBURSE THAT WE ARE ENTITLED TO WORKING WITH LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I WILL TELL YOU THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN TALLAHASSEE. WE HAVE A NEW GOVERNOR, CARLOS LOPEZ FROM FLORIDA. THAT POSITION IS NOW FILLED. WE HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR AN OPEN SEAT CREATED STEVE COURT RESIGNED TO TAKE ANOTHER JOB. WE HAVE ERIC SNIEGEL, RUNNING FOR THAT SEAT. IT'S CONTESTED THAT WE'LL HAVE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT OPPONENTS. HE'S RUNNING FOR SPEAKER IN 20/20. HE'S ALREADY BEEN THAT THERE AND IT GIVES HIM A LITTLE EDGE. JOHN IS RUNNING AS WELL, BUT HE'S NOT LEGISLATURE YET. IT MAKES FOR INTERESTING DYNAMIC AS OPPOSED TO WHAT I WOULD SAY ARE THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHEN YOU HAVE SERVED FOR A WHILE AND BY THAT PROCESS YOU BECAME A SPEAKER. WE ARE LIVING WITH THE TERM LIMITS AND THAT'S CREATED THE PHENOMENON OF EARLIER CHOOSING. I WANTED TO MENTION VOLUSIA COUNTY DAY. YOU CAN DEBATE THE USEFULNESS OF THESE DAYS IN TALLAHASSEE. WE WILL BE THERE FOR THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND THESE ARE DONE BY THE COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE STATE. THEY DO SUCCESSFULLY FOCUS, THE LEGISLATORS ON THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IS HOSTING THE DAY. I WOULD ALSO SAY BECAUSE OF THE TALENT THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH VOLUSIA COUNTY DAY BUT NOT LIMITED OH TO JIM CAMERON. THEY ARE ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE AND YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. I ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION IN THAT BECAUSE IT CAN BE VERY VERY HELPFUL. DON'T LIMIT YOUR ATTENDANCE IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS TO THAT DAY. BECAUSE THINGS START TO HAPPEN EARLY AND LATER IN THE SESSION YOU GET, THE MORE DIFFICULT YOU GET TO IMPACT THE PROCESS BECAUSE DECISIONS GET MADE. BUT PRESENCE IS POWER TO SOME EXTENT AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE FOR YOU TO PARTICIPATE. I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET ISSUES COMING UP AND SOME SPECIAL THINGS ON YOUR AGENDA. ROBERT?

THANK YOU, ROBERT STUART FROM THE GRAY ROBERTSON LAWFIRM IN FLORIDA. FRED MENTIONED THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET AS YOU KNOW IT IS NOTHING BUT A RECOMMENDATION. HE'LL COME OUT WITH WHAT HE THINKS THE BUDGET WILL LOOK LIKE AND THE LEGISLATURE WILL PUT THAT AND WRITE THEIR OWN BUDGET. BUT IT DOES START THE PROCESS OF DISCUSSING WHAT TYPE OF FUNDS FLORIDA HAS AVAILABLE AND WHAT PRIORITIES WE OUGHT TO BE FOCUSING ON. THE GOVERNOR USING THE PULPIT DOES HAVE A DRIVE ON POLICY AND BUDGETARY ITEMS SIMPLY BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING. HE'S BEEN AROUND THE STATE RECENTLY ANNOUNCING SOME OF THE BIG POCKET MONEY HE'S TALKING ABOUT. YESTERDAY WAS $150 MILLION MORE HE WANTS FOR EVERGLADES RESTORATION AND $200 MILLION FOR TRANSPORTATION, TAKING THAT MONEY TO $8.6 BILLION AND ASKED FOR A $500 MILLION TAX CUT WHICH THE LEGISLATURE SAID YES TO AND THERE IS ALREADY IN THE WORKS WHERE THAT MONEY MIGHT COME FROM AND THAT YOU WILL SEE IS A ROLL BACK PUT IN THE LEGISLATURE BACK IN 09, I BELIEVE WHEN THE STATE GOVERNMENT WAS IN FINANCIAL STRAITS. THEY RAISED THE TAG FEES FOR VEHICLE REGISTRATIONS TO WHATEVER IT IS TODAY AND THEY ARE GOING TO ROLL THAT BACK SOME IF NOT WHERE IT WAS PRIOR TO THAT INCREASE. THAT WILL BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN $200- 500 MILLION. AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN IDEAS AND WHAT THE SPEAKER SAID EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN IDEAS ABOUT THIS TAX CUT AND SO EVERY LEGISLATOR HAS THEIR ON IDEA AND THOSE WILL BEGIN TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF MEETINGS AND TO THE FLOOR FOR CONSIDERATION. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUDGET AND THAT PROCESS WILL BEGIN IN ERNEST IN FEBRUARY AND WILL HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO PASS THE BUDGET WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO WHILE THEY ARE IN SESSION. THAT WILL HAPPEN AND THE NEW FISCAL YEAR WILL START JULY 1ST. GOING TO YOUR AGENDA YOU HAVE A VERY THOROUGH AND GOOD AGENDA AND ONE THAT WE ARE EXCITED TO BE WORKING ON WITH YOU. LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF THESE ITEMS AND THEN OF COURSE WE WANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU AS A COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE AND WE WOULD BE WILLING TO STAY HERE AS LONG AS WE NEEDED TO TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. OBVIOUSLY EVERY YEAR IT'S A LOCAL ITEM AND ANYTHING THAT GETS FILED AND PASSED AND BURDENED DOWN TO YOU. NOTHING TODAY IS TOO PRESSING TO DISCUSS. IT'S VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS. WITH THE PROCESS AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE COUNTIES COMING DOWN FROM THE LEGISLATURE, WE'LL BE WATCHING THOSE ITEMS. JUVENILE JUSTICE OVERPAYMENT. I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVE MET WITH THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE BUDGET DIRECTORS FOR CRIMINAL AND CIVIL JUSTICE AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ON THEIR RADAR. VOLUSIA AS YOU KNOW IS NOT ALONE IN THAT PROBLEM. THEY ARE LOOKING VERY MUCH INTO A SOLUTION. YOU DID THE EXACT RIGHT THING IN MAINTAINING WHY YOU ARE RIGHTS GOING FORWARD AND LETTING THE LEGISLATURE PLAY ITSELF OUT AND DO WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO ON THAT ITEM. THIS IS ON THE LEGISLATURE'S RADAR AND THEY WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THE QUESTION THAT I GUESS IS UNANSWERED AT THIS POINT IS WILL IT BE ENOUGH AND WE'LL BE KEEPING YOU POSTED AND YOUR STAFF POSTED ON THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE SESSION. COMMERCIAL SPACE LAUNCH FACILITIES. NOTHING SPECIFICALLY FILED YET THAT DEAL WITH THE ITEMS YOU TALKED ABOUT BUT WE MAINTAIN A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FOLKS IN FLORIDA AND WORK WITH THEM TO ASSIST IN ANYWAY THAT WE CAN TO ACCOMPLISH THESE TYPES OF GOALS THAT YOU HAVE OUTLINED HERE ON THIS PARTICULAR PRIORITY. DEDICATED REAL FUNDING, WE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IT, MR. CHAIRMAN. THERE IS AN INTEREST I THINK REGION WIDE AND AT THE STATEWIDE LEVEL TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THAT. IF I'M BEING HONEST WITH YOU I DON'T THINK THAT ANSWER IS GOING TO COME THIS YEAR. THERE IS A TIME LAG AS YOU KNOW BETWEEN THE TIME THAT THE STATE RAILED THE OPERATION TO THE GOVERNMENT AND THEN WHEN IT'S OPERATIONAL PEOPLE WILL START TO FOCUS. SUN RAIL, PHASE ONE AS YOU WELL KNOW GOES LIVE THIS SPRING SOMETIME. APRIL, MAY, TIMEFRAME AND THAT WILL BEGIN GREATER CONVERSATION STATEWIDE ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING FORWARD. ONE OF THE BED ROCKS OF THIS CONVERSATION IS ABOUT REGIONALS AUTHORITY IS DRIVING THAT CONVERSATION TO PARTNERSHIP WITH DAVID SIMMONS AND THAT WILL BE THE FIRST PHASE REGIONALLY ON HOW WE PAY FOR THINGS AND DO THINGS AND THAT MAY HAVE THE FIRST CONVERSATION THAT BETWEEN RAIL WILL TAKE PLACE. FUNDING, LAST YEAR YOU RECALL, WE HAD $10 MILLION OVER 5 YEARS TO PAY FOR THE STATEWIDE CONNECTOR, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS CALLED? COAST TO COAST CONNECTOR. THERE IT IS. HE IS ABSOLUTELY COMING BACK WITH THAT PLAN. HE'S WORKING WITH GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND HAS BEEN SINCE THE END OF LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO MAKE SURE THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE DOESN'T VETO THAT AGAIN. I THINK GIVEN SENATOR'S POSITION IN THE LEGISLATURE AND WHERE HE IS HEADED, HE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT THROUGH AND IT WILL BE NOT ONLY FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY, A GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT INCREASING TRAILS AND THE TYPE OF TOURISM IT'S GOING TO BRING IN DESTINATION TRAVELING TO SEE THAT TRAIL CAN BE VERY MUCH THE START MORE FOR THAT IN FLORIDA. I THINK WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WHERE THAT'S GOING AND WE WERE IN THE OFFICE NOT TOO LONG AGO AND THEY FEEL PRETTY GOOD ON WHERE THAT'S GOING.

AS FAR AS THE ITEMS WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON, NOTHING THAT IS APPEND NTH LEGISLATURE THAT WOULD CHANGE LOCAL REGULATIONS AND CHANGE YOUR POWER THAT YOU HAVE. AND WITH THE PLANNING RENOVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, ALL OF THAT STUFF IS VIABLE. I WILL TELL YOU WITH THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATURE, THE IDEA OF RAISING A TAX IS A BAD WORD IN PARTICULAR IN ELECTION YEAR. BUT WE'LL BE MONITORING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND GIVEN THAT WE ARE AT A SURPLUS AND GOING BACK TO THE BUDGET. EVERY QUARTER WHEN THE REVENUE ESTIMATE ORS ARE MEETING, WE STARTED AT 4 BILLION $4 BILLION NOW WE ARE AT 6. THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE MONEY AND A LOT OF THAT WILL BE GOING TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION GIVEN THE COMMITMENT THIS GOVERNOR HAS FOR TRANSPORTATION AND FUNDING AND GOING BACK TO SENATOR GARDENER, THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION. WE'LL BE SEEING MORE ON THAT. MEDICAL, WE KNOW THAT IS IMPORTANT. WE HAVE TALKED TO THE SPONSORS AND WE'LL BE MONITORING THAT WHEN IT DOES AND WE BELIEVE IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THE BILL AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN NOT IS GOING ANYWHERE. WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS, WE WOULD OPEN UP TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THESE ITEMS OR SOME OF THE ONES THAT MIGHT BE ON THE MONITORING LIST THAT WE MAYBE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TO.

VERY WELL, MS. NORTHEY?

THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL I JUST WANTED TO ADD MY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE EFFECTIVE MISS THE OF MR. HART, AS THE DAY HE WAS HIRED HERE, I CALLED HIM AND LOW AND BE HOLD, FRED, WE GOT OUR FUNDING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M KIDDING YOU. I DO THINK WE MADE THE RIGHT DECISION AND I DO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF INFLUENCE.

RIGHT PLACE, RIGHT TIME.

EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. JUST A COUPLE THINGS. SPRINGS LEGISLATION, I KNOW THE SENATOR HAS FILED SPRING LEGISLATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THAT SPECIFICALLY. I CAN'T RECALL OUR LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM, BUT WE NEED TO. IS THAT THERE?

YES. I THINK IT'S TECHNICALLY ON THE MONITORING LIST. I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH SENATOR SIMMONS OFFICE THIS MORNING. THE BILL HAS NOT BEEN FILED. IT'S STILL SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

I KNEW HE WAS SHOPPING AROUND.

AS SOON AS IT'S AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK.

WE'LL DON'T TRACK THAT?

YES, MA'AM.

AND SENATOR HUAC OH HAS A BILL. THERE IS A HOUSE COMPANION AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME. THERE IS A STATE LAUREATE, CAN YOU FOLLOW THAT AS WELL?

THERE IS A HOUSE SPONSOR.

I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT SIGNING ON TO IT LOCALLY. OTHER THAN IT'S VERY THOROUGH AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU ARE DOING AND I KNOW YOU ARE OUT THERE WORKING FOR US. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MS. CUSACK?

THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. IT MAKES MY HEARTBURN THAT THINGS ARE GOING ON IN TALLAHASSEE AND I'M NOT THERE, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU ARE THERE AND YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE FOLLOWING THESE ISSUES THAT IMPACT VOLUSIA COUNTY. I THINK MOST OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS KNOW THAT MANY OF THE LEGISLATIVE ISSUES THAT IMPACT US ARE NOT DONE IN THE CHAMBERS. AND THEY ARE IN THE OFFICES AND AROUND THE CITY. THANK YOU. ON THAT PROCESS, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT FERTILIZERS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE IN THE AGRICULTURAL AREA?

NOTHING HAS BEEN FILED YET. AS YOU REMEMBER, IT'S KIND OF A REOCCURRING CONVERSATION. SOMETHING MAY GET FILED IN THE COMMITTEE AND STAND-ALONE IN THE SESSION AND WE'LL BE TRACKING IT. AS OF LAST NIGHT, NOTHING HAS BEEN FILED ON THAT TOPIC.

THAT'S GOOD. WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AS IT RELATES TO THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS, THAT'S NOT ON OUR RADAR SCREEN?

YOU HAVE THE 9-1-1 PRIORITY ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA AND THERE IS A LEGISLATION OUT THERE MODERNIZING THE 9-1-1 SYSTEM AND FIXING A GLITCH THAT RIGHT NOW IF YOU BUY A PREPAID WIRELESS PHONE, YOU ARE NOT CHARGED THAT FEE BECAUSE THERE WAS A PROVISION THAT WAS SUNSETED AND NOW IT'S EXPIRED AND THE REASON TO COLLECT IT. THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS BILL WILL ACCOMPLISH AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT VOLUSIA COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND HOW THAT WOULD BE SPENT. THAT PARTICULAR BILL HAS BEEN DEEMED A SACRED COW RIGHT NOW BY THE GOVERNOR AND THE STATE WITH HOW TO PASS THAT WITHOUT AMENDMENT BUT TO TWEAK THAT TO ALLOW YOU TO SPEND YOUR MONEY IN YOUR WAY WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AMENDMENT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

THANK YOU, YOU REPRESENT LOBBYING WELL BY BEING SO INVOLVED IN THE KNOW AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT YOU NEED DO. YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. THE PROOF WILL BE HOW WELL WE FAIR COME MAY 5TH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MS. DENYS?

GOOD MORNING. JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS ON THE DJJ OVERPAID AND REIMBURSEMENT. WE ARE TALKING $13.5 MILLION. THE $13.5 MILLION TO KEEP IN PERSPECTIVE, IT'S 9% OF OUR GENERAL FUND. SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS A RETURN OF WHAT'S OWED US. SO WHEN YOU SAID IT'S ON THE RADAR, I KNOW BECAUSE I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATIONS. AND NOT THE SOLUTION, AND THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER, BEFORE THE TAXPAYERS GET A $5 MILLION BREAK. WOULD BE NICE IF THE STATE PAYS US BACK FIRST. HERE IS A SOLUTION AND I'M GOING TO THROW THIS OUT HERE, COLLEAGUES, WE WOULD BE HAPPY, GIVE US $5, GIVE US $8 MILLION NOW. OVER 5 YEARS, THE OVERPAYMENT IS ACCURATE? IS IT 5 YEARS? THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN IN A VACUUM. THINGS HAPPEN. THAT'S OKAY. BUT THE POLITICAL POSTURING AND NOT KNOWING HOW TO DO THIS IF THERE IS A POT OF DOLLARS AND THE STATE OH OWES THE TAXPAYERS. I HAVE BEEN VERY STRONG IN MY CONVERSATIONS TO MY DELEGATIONS ON THE PAYMENT. PLEASE KEEP THAT IN UB IN NUMBER IN MIND. AND THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS THIS YOU FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPACE LAUNCH FACILITY PROPOSAL IN THIS. THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS, IT SAYS THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY AT SPACE COAST HAVE PAID A LOT AND NOW ASSISTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A BROADER MARKETPLACE. WELL, THAT'S TRUE. THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE SPACE COST OR PROVIDE FOR VOLUSIA, THIS IS ABOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA. YOU CAN VERY EASILY SAY THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITIES OF FLORIDA BECAUSE OF THE EXPANDING COMMERCIAL SPACE IS $390 BILLION INDUSTRY. SO SUPPORTING THIS DOESN'T JUST SUPPORT OUR PARTICULAR AREAS, BUT THIS IS, IF NOT HERE, IT WON'T BE IN FLORIDA, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. WE WILL LOSE TO GEORGIA, TEXAS, CHINA, RUSSIA, OUTSIDE THE NATION, IF NOT OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE FOR JOBS AND FOR REVENUE. NOT JUST FOR US, BUT THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA.

TO THAT POINT, I CAN TELL YOU OUR WORK IN FLORIDA, THEY OFTEN SPEAK THAT 46 OF THE 67 COUNTIES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY SPACE. THIS IS NOT A SPACE COAST ISSUE, YOU ARE RIGHT AND YOUR MESSAGE IS SPOT ON.

I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS WITH THE COMMENT WITH THE POSSIBLE CHANGES ON THE ADDITIONAL TRANSPORTATION FUNDING OPTIONS, I AGREE WITH YOU, I DON'T SEE THERE IS ANY CHANCE THIS IS GOING TO PASS UNDER THE CURRENT MAKE-UP OF TALLAHASSEE. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA WITH THE CAVEAT THAT I DON'T SUPPORT INCREASE OF POSSIBLE TAXES.

TWO COMMENTS. ONE IS I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR THAT HAS BEEN SELECTED WILL BE THE CHAIR OF THIS. THAT HAS BEEN THE GOVERNOR'S PLAN BEFORE AND I BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS AGAIN. WE ARE VERY MUCH GOING TO BE TALKING WITH HIM ABOUT THE VOLUSIA COUNTY SPECIFIC OPPORTUNITY. AND HE RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF THE STATEWIDE PICTURE AS WELL, BUT WE GOT A SPECIAL ITEM THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN HERE. THE OTHER THING I WILL TALK ABOUT ON THE BUDGET IS THE GOVERNOR GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION BY PROCLAIMING $5 MILLION IN A GLOBAL WAY, BUT AS ROBERT INDICATED TOTALLY RECOMMENDATION AND NOT IN FACT THE DECISION. THE DECISION GETS MADE BY THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND WE HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD WITH THE CHAIRS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DEALING WITH THE JUVENILE JUSTICE ISSUE. IF YOU HAVE A BILLION OR TWO, OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER WINDS OF BEERNGS IT'S TIME TO MAKE WHOLE OVERCHARGES. IT'S TIME TO GIVE BACK TO THE COUNTIES THAT GOT PENALIZED.

IT'S OBVIOUS THE COUNTIES HAVE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS. I'M SURE WE'LL FIND THAT SAME FAITH RECIPROCATED IN THE RETURNING OF $13.5 MILLION TOWARDS GENERAL FUND.

GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU.

GOD, I LOVE THE OPTIMISM. MR. DANIELS?

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAD READ THAT IN THE RIVER COUNTY THE FUNDING TO CURE THE SEPTIC TANK PROBLEM ON THE LAGOON SYSTEM. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HEARD ANYTHING ON THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE FOCUSING ON IS TRYING TO IMPROVE THE LAGOON SYSTEM HERE AND TRYING TO IMPROVE THE SAINT JOHN'S RIVER BY GETTING RID OF A LOT OF THOSE SEPTIC TANKS THAT ARE ON THE LAGOON AND SAINT JOHN'S RIVER AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THAT IT MAYBE TOO LATE. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHANCES ARE. I KNOW THE GOVERNOR HAS TAKEN AN INTEREST IN WATER OF LATE AND SOME OF THE LEGISLATORS HAVE SEEM TO HAVE ALSO. DO YOU THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE?

IT'S NOT A BILL THAT I'M IMMEDIATELY FAMILIAR WITH. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE HOW THAT'S BEEN FILED AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOUR STAFF AND SEE WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAG ONTO IT. THERE IS AN INTEREST PARTICULARLY ON WATER ISSUES. WE WERE WITH THE AGRICULTURAL AND CONSUMER AFFAIRS AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT WATER FOR 20 YEARS AND PEOPLE ARE NOW JUST STARTING TO TALK ABOUT IT IN FLORIDA. THE GOVERNOR BEING THE LEADER ON THAT. WE'LL FIND OUT AND GET BACK TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF.

IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO TAKE CARE OF.

I WONDER IF THERE IS ANY CODIFICATION THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THAT IN TERMS OF COST? >> WE HAVE ALMOST 100,000 SEPTICS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. WE ESTIMATE THAT $15-20,000 PER UNIT. THE MATH IS STUNNING.

A LOT OF IT MAYBE INVOLVED IN THE BILL THAT THE SENATOR IS WORKING ON AND HE INTENDS TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF FUNDING ON THAT I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS BECAUSE IT'S NOT FILED YET. AS SOON AS IT DOES WE'LL LOOK AT WHETHER IT DOES OR DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE COUNTY NEEDS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. DEN 19 -- YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

YES. I LIKE THAT TALK. I WILL TELL YOU ON THE DJ ISSUE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT NOT JUST WHERE THE MONEY, BUT THIS IS ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT. WHAT AMAZES ME ABOUT THE MONEY, THIS THE THE AMOUNT WE WERE OVER CHARGED THAT THEY ADMIT TO. SO THIS AIN'T EVEN A NUMBER WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT. WE THINK IT'S A LOT MORE. THIS IS THE AMOUNT THEY ADMIT TO. I FIND IT INCOMPREHENSIBLE WITH THIS KIND OF SURPLUS YOU WOULD THINK NOT TO PAY YOUR DEBTS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT NEVER WORKS THIS WAY WHEN THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT. ANYTIME THERE IS A MISCALCULATION IS ALWAYS ON THEIR MONEY. WE UNDERSTOOD THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE PAST, BUT WE EVEN MADE THE SUGGESTION, LOOK, THIS IS BEFORE WE KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS KIND OF SURPLUS BEFORE THEY TALKED ABOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF SURPLUS. THE ISSUE WAS YEAH, YOU OWED IT, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A SURPLUS. GO GET IT. NOW THAT THEY HAVE A SURPLUS. WE WOULD BE WILLING IF THEY DIDN'T TV MONEY AT ONCE TO HELP US OVER 5 YEARS. WE WERE OPEN TO ALL KINDS OF SUGGESTIONS. THIS IS REAL MONEY OWED TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY. THEY ADMIT THEY OWE IT. I WOULD APPEAL TO THE GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATURE, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT'S RIGHT. IT'S A FAIRNESS ISSUE. IT'S OTHER COUNTIES. MONEY IS TIGHT, WE ARE NOT REBOUNDING LIKE THEM. SO THIS WOULD BE A BIG HELP TO US. THE OTHER THING IS ON SUN RAIL, I DO THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S LOST ON ANYBODY THAT I HAD RESERVATION ABOUT SUN RAIL BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S A STATEWIDE PRIORITY AND NOT A LOCAL RESPONSIBILITIES. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED THAT WE ARE PUTTING A BIG BURDEN ON TAXPAYERS HERE IN THIS COUNTY FOR SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A STATEWIDE IMPACT AND IT'S ALSO THERE TO HELP THE CONGESTION ON INTERSTATE 4 AND THE OTHER DRAFT. THIS IS A LONGER STATEWIDE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE AND I HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY IT'S A LOCAL RESPONSIBILITY. THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL THAT WE HAD HEAD WITH THIS ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THROUGH DISCUSSIONS OF THE STATE THAT THERE WAS SOME OTHER MECHANISM THAT WOULD FUND THE STATE FOR SUN RAIL. I DO THINK WE NEED TO STAY FOCUSED ON THAT AND I WOULD HOPE THE STATE WOULD COMMIT THAT THEY WOULD NEVER LEAVE US WITHOUT THAT BEING IN PLACE. THE STATE CREATED A TIME FRAME THAT THEY DECIDED WHEN THEY WERE GETTING OUT. THE DOCUMENT WE SIGNED, THERE IS NO ESCAPE CLAUSE FOR US. THEY HAVE MADE THEIR ON IN 7 YEARS AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WHERE DID THAT COME FROM UNLESS WE HAVE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE. I'M HOPING THEY GO HARD, THIS IS SOMETHING THEY DID FOR THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S A STATE ISSUE, NOT A LOCAL ISSUE. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ON THE COMMUNICATIONS TAX. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE NEUTRAL TO THE COUNTIES AND CITIES. I HEARD THERE'S SOME TALK THAT WHILE THEY MAYBE NEUTRAL NOW THAT THERE WAS A PUSH TO ELIMINATE THAT AND IT WOULD DIRECTLY IMPACT ALL OF US AND WE WOULD LOSE OUR COMMUNICATIONS TAX AND THAT'S A BIG REVENUE SOURCE. WE MAY WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT. I JUST HEARD ABOUT IT YESTERDAY.

WE HEARD RUMORS ABOUT THE CST. THERE IS SOME TALK ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE CST AND ULTIMATELY WHAT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS, THEY WANTED TO BE MORE PREDICTABLE. THEY WANT A FLATTER CST.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN FOR THE RECORD EXPLAIN WHAT CST?

SURE. THE COMMUNICATIONS SERVICES TAX PAID ON YOUR LINES OR INTERNET. THE HOUSE INDICATED THEY WANT A MORE FLATTER MORE PREDICTABLE TAX, BUT IN DOING SO THEY HAVE BEEN VERY CAREFUL AS TO CASHING IT IN AS REVENUE NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE THERE IS NO LANGUAGE THAT I HAVE SEEN, NOTHING OUT THERE PUBLICALLY. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING. THE HOUSE PUSHED IT AND DIDN'T GET IT THROUGH. THE HOUSE HAS BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT IT AND ONCE THERE IS SOMETHING FOR TO YOU DIGEST, WE'LL GET IT TO YOU.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. PEOPLE TALK. THEY DON'T THINK AND THESE ARE REVENUE SOURCES. QUITE FRANKLY IN A STATE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW A LOT OF THEM. WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS IN DESPERATION, THIS IS HOW THE PROPERTY TAX RATE GOES UP. ESPECIALLY IF VALUES ARE LOW AND WE START LOSING OTHER REVENUE SOURCES. WHAT I'M GETTING AT IF YOU ARE MOVING AWAY FROM THAT, HOW DO YOU GET IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO PAY THE BILL THEY OWE US.

WAGNER?

MY ISSUE IS THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE TRAIL SYSTEM. WE HAVE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE AS FAR AS THE REPRESENTATION IN DOING SO. I UNDERSTAND THE MONEY IS OWED AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU TOO HARD. BE DILIGENT BUT WALK ON FEATHERS. NOT TO SAY THAT WE DON'T DESERVE IT AND OUR CITIZENS DON'T DESERVE THE PAYBACK BUT WE DO IT WITH CAUTION. I KNOW THAT'S YOUR STYLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. WELL DONE. GLAD TO HAVE YOU GUYS ON. I'M VERY IMPRESSED.

I SEE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. WE WILL BE IN TOUCH. MR. CARL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. BEFORE THE COMMENT, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR DEVICES.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MS. NORTHEY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE".

AYE.

OPPOSED? CARRIED.

WE WILL SEND THE INFORMATION IF THERE IS ANY ITEM TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTIVE SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, WE CAN MAKE THE AMENDMENTS AS THE LEGISLATION PROGRESSES.

IF SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE IF WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION. I HAVE NO ACTION. I THOUGHT IT WAS A PRESENTATION AND I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. ESPECIALLY ON THE RED LETTER. WITH ALL THAT, THANKS GUYS, WE APPRECIATE IT. OH MY, LOOK AT THE TIME. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NO. 6. THIS IS A DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE TRIAL PERIOD FOR DOGS ON THE BEACH. MISS CONNORS, YOU WILL BE UP TO START THE COUNTY DISCUSSION, BUT MR. WAGNER HAS A COMMENT, IF YOU MAY, MR. WAGNER?

I KNOW THIS LAST WEEK HAS BEEN ROUGH. I HAVE GOT START WITH A JOKE SOMEWHERE. DEFINITELY NOT A WASTE OF TIME.

DID YOU SAY ROUGH?

I WOULD SAY NOT A WASTE. THE REASON WHY I WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS, I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF THEM. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN E-MAILS AND HAVE TRIED TO CLARIFY THE ISSUE. I HAVE NOT HID THE FACT THAT I SUPPORT DOGS. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A REPORTER ABOUT THE ISSUE BRINGING UP ABOUT THE DOGS ON THE BEACH. THE REASON I WANT TO SAVE COMMENTS BEFORE THIS COMES UP. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID THIS WAS A TRANSPARENCY ISSUE. THE ONLY TIME A COUNCILMEMBER, THE WAY YOU GET THINGS ON THE AGENDAS A COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBER, WAS TO BRING THINGS BACK TO PUT TOGETHER AN ORDINANCE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED, OUT ON THE PUBLIC AND DISCUSSED. THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT. THE SUNSHINE LAWS DON'T ALLOW IT. THE REASON GOING FORWARD AND ASKING SPECIFICALLY FOR A COUNCIL VOTE TO COME BACK, I SPECIFICALLY SAID AT THAT TIME, WHEN I MADE THE MOTION, IF YOU ARE ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT, THEN WHY HAVE THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I KNEW IT WOULD BE A PROCESS. IF YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT, IT WAS ABSOLUTELY TRANSPARENT, ABSOLUTELY OPEN. YOU ARE HERE TODAY FOR THAT REASON. AS FAR AS WHAT HAPPENS, THE BACK AND FORTH AND WHEN YOU GUYS GIVE SUGGESTIONS AND I CAN TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT HAVE GIVEN SUGGESTIONS THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT. I HAVE CHANGED MY POSITIONS ON LITTLE PARTS OF IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT SUGGESTIONS. PLEASE REALIZE THAT AS PART OF THE PROCESS, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROCESS AND YOU HAVE BEEN HEARD. I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE. I THINK IT'S MORE FRUITFUL. THE TRANSPARENCY ARGUMENT AND THAT'S REALLY NOT THE ISSUE. HOPEFULLY IT'S HELPFUL WHEN WE ARE MAKING OUR DECISION.

THANK YOU, MR. WAGNER. THANK YOU, I'M SO GLAD WE HAVE THE MEDIA, WE HAVE THE BEACON AND JOURNAL AND TV CAMERA HERE, HI FOLKS. I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT. THERE IS NO DOGS ON OUR BEACHES EXCEPT IN SPECIAL AREAS. I HAVE BEEN GETTING RECORDS THAT PEOPLE ARE WALKING OUT ON THE BEACH WITH THEIR DOG. I GET AT THE MAILS, I GET THE HATE MAIL, I HAVE BEEN GETTING THE PHONE CALLS. WE DID NOT PASS AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW DOGS ON THE BEACH. DON'T TAKE YOUR DOGS ON THE BEACH, THESE FINE LADS HERE WILL GIVE YOU A TICKET. ADHERE TO THE RULES THAT WE HAVE. THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES YET WOULD YOU LIKE TO START THIS COMMENT.

YES. I'M GOING PIGGY BAG ON WHAT MR. WAGNER SAID. ON THIS PROCESS AS FOR TODAY'S MEETING WHICH WAS ADVERTISED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT OUR JOB ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE WAS WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT PUTTING TOGETHER LEGISLATION THAT THEY CAN CONSIDER PASSING IF THEY WANTED TO GO FORWARD WITH ALLOWING DOGS IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER ON THE BEACH EXCEPT FOR THE PLACES THEY ARE ALREADY ALLOWED. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED. AS THE ATTORNEY CREATES LEGISLATION WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY ON THE ADMINISTRATOR SIDE IS TO MAKE SURE I CAN IMPLEMENT IT. WE HAVE SOME, AS WE HAVE FOUGHT THROUGH ISSUE, IT'S ALWAYS MORE COMPLICATED TO IMPLEMENT THAN IT IS TO TALK ABOUT IT. AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS DESIGNED TO DO AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TODAY IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THE EXPERIMENT SHOULD THE COUNCIL WANT TO GO FURTHER. WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WE BELIEVE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND HOW WE BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. NOW THE COUNCIL HAS TO GIVE ME GUIDANCE IF THEY WANT TO AGREE WITH ME OR MODIFY THAT. THERE ARE ISSUES THAT COULD BE OUT THERE THAT WE ARE GOING TO MONITOR AND AT THE END OF THE EXPERIMENT WE MAY HAVE NOT ONLY MAY WE LEARN THINGS THROUGH THE EXPERIMENT HOW TO CHANGE THINGS, THE THINGS WE MONITOR COULD BE THINGS WE MAY WANT OR MAY NOT WANT TO HAVE RULES ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE. WE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THOSE. WHAT I PREFER, MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH THE COUNCIL'S ACCEPTANCE IS THAT MARYANN WILL WALK THROUGH ISSUES. SHE'LL MENTION ALL THE ISSUES AND TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR SUGGESTION IS TO IMPLEMENT TO DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES WITH THE WAY WE CAN IMPLEMENT THEM. I WOULD PREFER SHE IS ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH WHOLE PRESENTATION AND THE COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT OR WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE PUBLIC SPEAK. I WOULD LIKE TO YOU HEAR WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING. ONE OF THE THING THAT I HEARD MR. WAGNER SAY, WHAT WAS THE HE SAID AND I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY KEY, THAT IF WE MOVE FORWARD, THIS WILL BE A SYSTEM WHERE IF PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES, NOT ONLY CAN THEY BE TRESPASSED OFF THE BEACH. THEY WILL GET A CITATION. WE ARE NOT WARNING PEOPLE. WE'LL HAVE SORT OF EVERYONE WE THINK IN SOME CASES DECIDING THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT UNDER THE RULES UNTIL THEY GET CAUGHT THE SECOND TIME. WE CAN'T ALLOW THAT. IF I'M GOING TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING WITHOUT WARNINGS, I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR WITH THE COUNCIL ON WHAT THE RULES ARE GOING TO BE. WITH THAT, MARYANN?

MARYANN CONNORS, DEPUTY COUNTY MANAGER.

GREAT. HOLD THE MICROPHONES DOWN. YOU ARE JUST SO TALL AND MAKE SURE THEY DON'T COME TOGETHER. THAT FEEDBACK IS FROM THERE.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING ME TO MY LEVEL. WE'LL PROCEED WITH A NUMBER OF ITEMS. I'M GOING ASK SUE TO PUT UP A LIST THAT WILL TAKE US THROUGH DIFFERENT POINTS FOR IMPLEMENTATION PURPOSES. AS YOUR STAFF HAS DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS WE WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE IMPLEMENTING PROVISIONS AND SOME DISCUSSIONS ITEMS WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SEASONALLY, WE DO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE THAT IS SEASON. WE HAVE MIGRATORY BIRD NESTING AND ON CONGREGATION AREAS. IT IS A SEASONAL ACTIVITY AND BY -- TIME OF DAY. IT IS OCCURRING AND THERE ARE THREE PRIMARY AREAS. WE HAVE A MAP TO SHOW YOU. I SHOW AREA 1. THIS IS IN DAYTONA BEACH SHORES. IT'S BASICALLY A KIND OF A MILD BEFORE AND AFTER PARK WE HAVE ATTACHED. WITH THIS MAP WE ARE USING RAMPS BECAUSE THAT'S THE LANGUAGE OF DESCRIBING THOSE THINGS ON THE BEACH. IT BASICALLY IS BETWEEN VAND CAMP. THE SECOND AREA IS IN PONS INLET SHOWN BY THE YELLOW LINE. THIS IS AN AREA RUNNING NORTH FROM THE INLET TO LIGHTHOUSE POINT PARK. I'M ALSO GOING TO NOTE ON THIS MAP THE AREA, IT IS TO MY LEFT LOOKING AT THIS IS LIGHTHOUSE PARK. THAT IS A DOG PARK TODAY. AREA 3, ALONG THE BEACH SIDE THIS IS GOING SOUTH FROM THE INLET DOWN TO SOUTHBOUNDARY IS ABOUT 3400 FEET. THIS IS IDENTIFIED BY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE AS TO WHERE THE BIRDS GO. AGAIN TO THE LEFT IS DO YOU KNOW DUNES PARK. THIS IS A SITE FOR NESTING FOR MIGRATORY BIRDS. WE SUGGEST THEY BE AVOIDED. THE MORNINGS WOULD NOT BE THE SAME ISSUE.

NOW, TWO OF THESE AREAS ARE ALREADY DOG FRIENDLY BEACH AREAS, AM I CORRECT?

NO. AREAS NEAR THEM. THE AREAS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED ARE NOT DOG AREAS. THEY ARE NOT DOG AREAS. SO LET ME BE CLEAR. THEY ARE NOT, WHERE YOU SEE THE YELLOW LINES, THEY ARE ALREADY MARKING ZONES. THEY ARE NOT ALREADY TODAY BUT THERE ARE DOG PARKS NEAR THEM. THE ACTUAL AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED AS I SAID BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL STRAF THAT HAS DRAFTED THIS UP. THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THE BIRDS GRETH CONGREGATE. THE AVOIDANCE OF HAVING DOGS IN THE MIGRATARY BIRDS SHOULD BE PART OF THIS CONSIDERATION. THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE HOURS. WHEN COUNCIL SPOKE, I BELIEVE WE WERE DISCUSSING AFTER 4:00 P.M. AND THEN IN THE MORNING, FROM 7-9 A.M.. AFTER 4:00 P.M. LEFT OPEN THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD BE ALL NIGHT THAT IT WAS WITHOUT TERMINATION. WE ARE SUGGESTING THERE BE AN EVENING CAP IN TERMS OF WHEN THE DOGS CAN BE OUT THERE. ALSO NOTING THAT WHEN IT STARTS 4:00 P.M. IS FINE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, ONCE WE MOVE INTO DAYLIGHT SAVINGS, THERE IS A LOT MORE ACTIVITY ON THE BEACH LATER INTO DAY. AS WE GET INTO MAY, THERE WILL BE MORE BEACH ACTIVITY AND WE SUGGEST COUNCIL CONSIDER MOVING THE DOG PERIOD LATER INTO DAY SO IT'S NOT TO BE CONCURRENT WITH A PERIOD, A VERY ACTIVE PERIOD OF THE PEOPLE ACTIVE PERIOD ON THE BEACH.

THE REASON FOR DOING THE EXPERIMENT, WE BELIEVE WE SHOULD STILL HAVE PROHIBITING THIS ACTIVITY IN THE NIGHT. WE HAVE TAKEN A LOT ON THE EXPERIMENT, YOU MAY WANT TO DO THIS SOME DAY BUT WE BELIEVE IT WOULD COME LATER. RIGHT NOW FROM THE POINT OF THE IMPLEMENTING THIS BECAUSE WE THINK IT SO FAST A LOT OF PROBLEMS WHEN WE SAY IT'S STILL NOT ALLOWED AT NIGHT. IF WE HAVE A DOG NO MATTER HOW YOU CONTROL THEM. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED. MAYBE IF COUNCIL WANTED TO CHANGE IT SOME DAY, WE DON'T RECOMMEND YOU DO THAT DURING THE EXPERIMENT.

OKAY. THE MORNING PERIOD THAT WE'VE OUTLINED -- IT INTENDED TO BE COINCIDENTAL WITH DAYLIGHT PERIOD. THE LEASH CONTROL, WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION HERE. THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE ABILITY WITH THE OWNER TO CONTROL THE DOG. WE ARE RECOMMENDING A MAXIMUM LEASH LENGTH OF 8 FEET AND THAT THE LEASH BE PHYSICALLY HELD BY THE OWNER SPECIFICALLY THAT IT NOT BE TIED TO AN OBJECT, NOT A CAR, NOT A POST OR CHAIR. BUT THAT THE OWNER BE IN PHYSICAL CONTROL OF THE DOG AT ALL TIMES AND THAT BE THROUGH A MAXIMUM LEASH LENGTH. WE DID NOT INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF DOGS. THIS WAS NOT DISCUSSED FOR ONE OR TWO DOGS OR A MAXIMUM NUMBER THAT ANYONE OWNER CAN BRING AT ONE TIME. THE RESTRICTIONS, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON DOG BY BREED OR BEHAVIOR AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE NOT HAD THIS DISCUSSION. I DID NOTE THAT IN OUR PARKS RULES WHERE DOGS ARE ALLOWED IN PARKS. THERE IS INCLUDED IN THAT RULING THAT AGGRESSIVE DOGS MAYBE NEED TO LEAVE THE PARK.

WE WEREN'T GOING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF DOGS. I HAVE SEEN MY NEIGHBOR WALKS FOUR. WE ARE NOT BEING SELECTIVE ON NUMBER AND BREED. PART OF THAT DO HAVE TAILS TO THE 8-FOOT LEASH. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE IS HOLDING A DOG WITH A LEASH, IF I STAND A FEW FEET WAY THE DOG CAN'T GET TO ME. THE ONES THAT ARE DETRACTING THEY COME IN DIFFERENT LENGTH. THE BIG ISSUE WITH US. THIS IS A BIG ISSUE. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE LEASH. I THINK IN TALKING TO ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS, IT WAS ABOUT CONTROLLING THE ANIMAL. THIS IDEA, THIS IS WHY THERE IS GOING TO BE NO WARNINGS. THIS HAPPENS IN PLACES BY THE WAY, PEOPLE HOOK THEIR LEASH TO THE DOGS OR LET THE DOG HOLD THE LEASH IN THEIR MOUTH AND THEY LET THE DOG RUN. OR IT SLIPPED OUT OF MY HAND. WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING THAT. IT OUGHT TO BE THAT YOU ARE PHYSICALLY CONNECTED TO THE DOG. THEN IT'S EASIER FOR US TO IMPLEMENT. I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT. IT'S EASIER IF I'M CLEAR IN THE RULES TO PEOPLE THAT WE MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO BE PHYSICALLY IN CONTROL OF THE DOG OR YOU CAN GET A FINE. I THINK IT WILL BE EASIER FROM DAY ONE IF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK THERE IS ALL KINDS OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS THAT THE LEASH SLIPPED OUT OF MY HAND OR IT'S TIED TO A CAR. THIS IS OUR EXPERIMENT.

THE CLEAN UP, AS ALWAYS WE WILL ASK OWNERS TO CLEAN UP AFTER THEIR PETS. IN THE EXISTING PARK AREAS WE PROVIDE BAGGIES THAT WILL BE CERTAINLY MORE EXTENSIVE GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE BEACH. WE PROBABLY TO HAVE RELY MORE ON THE OWNERS TO BE MORE RESPONSIBLE OWNERS AT ALL TIMES AND CARRY THE SUPPLIES TO CLEAN UP AFTER THEIR DOGS. DOG SAFETY, IN TERMS OF AGAIN THE IDEA THAT THE DOG IS ALWAYS ON A LEASH, I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE BE CLEAR THAT YOU COULDN'T LEAVE THE DOGMA PARKED CAR. CLEARLY THE DOG WILL COME ONTO THE BEACH, BUT THE DOG SHOULD NEVER BE LEFT IN A PARKED CAR WHILE OWNERS GO IN THE WATER OR GO GET FOOD.

THIS IS LIKE ALCOHOL. LIKE ALCOHOL IN THE BEACH BUT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE IT IN YOUR VEHICLE. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS EXPERIMENT WORK. IF SAYING SOMEONE COMES DOWN, YOU CAN DRIVE TO THE BEACH WITH YOUR ANIMAL IN THE CAR, YOU PARK AND YOU CAN WALK THEM. WHAT WE COULD NOT MANAGE IS WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BRING THE DOG BACK TO THE CAR AFTER WALKING THEM AND PUT THEM IN THE CAR AND YOU LEAVE FOR 2 HOURS. WE HAVE AN ISSUE WHEN DOGS ARE IN THE CAR IT'S NOT GOOD. WE HAVE THIS DISTURBS OTHER PEOPLE. WE WANT TO BE CLEAR. THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT TO HAVE DOGS ON THE BEACH AND NOT TO LEAVE THEM IN THE CAR. IF WE DRIVE ON THE BEACH, DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S STILL DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT YOU ALLOW THE DOGS ON THE BEACH. THIS IS THE RULES, IF YOU TELL PEOPLE UPFRONT. IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO MANAGE.

TICKETING ENFORCEMENT $50 IS RECOMMENDED AMOUNT. THIS WOULD BE A TICKETING PROCESS FOR ENFORCEMENT FOR VIOLATION OF ANY OF THE PROVISION DEALING WITH THE TIMING OR CONTROL OF THE ANIMAL AND TIME PROVISIONS. AND THIS WILL BE DONE BY THE 19TH TO CONCLUDE IT BEFORE MEMORIAL WEEKEND WHICH HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN THE BUSIEST TIME OF THE YEAR AND WE'LL KNOW BY CERTAINLY GOING FORWARD OR NOT RELATIVE TO THAT WEEKEND IF THERE IS ANY CONCERNS OR ISSUES THAT WE NEEDED TO FINE TUNE IN TERMS OF THE TRIAL PERIOD.

THE THINGS THAT AREN'T ON HERE WE ARE GOING TO MONITOR THEM. WE ARE NOT LIMITING TO A NUMBER OF DOGS BUT WE'LL WATCH THAT ISSUE. WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE BRINGING THE DOGS INTO SUR. WHETHER THE DOGS DRINK SALT WATER, THAT MAYBE A PROBLEM. WE'LL SEE IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE AN ISSUE. ONE THING THAT IS NOT ON HERE, OUR JOB IS TO IMPLEMENT WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO DO. DO I THINK I CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL COST FOR ENFORCEMENT, YES, I CAN. ESPECIALLY WITH A NEW RULE. THAT I WILL HAVE TO SEE. THAT IS SOMETHING I NEED TO DO ON A DAILY BASIS TO FIGURE OUT WITH THEM IF WE DO NEED MORE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THE RULES ARE NEW, I WOULD LIKE TO GAUGE THAT DURING THE EXPERIMENT. IF IN THE FUTURE WE DO THIS IN A LONG-TERM BASIS, WE'LL TAILOR WHETHER WE NEED MORE PEOPLE. I DON'T WANT TO PUT A SUM TO THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL BE ARTIFICIAL AT THIS POINT. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER TO ALLOW US TO IMPLEMENT THIS IN A WAY THAT BOTH WE AND MY OFFICERS CAN UNDERSTAND IT AND ENFORCE IT AND THE PUBLIC WILL UNDERSTAND IT. WE NEED INPUT BACK FROM THE COUNCIL, MR. CHAIRMAN, ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THESE THINGS AND I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO COUNCIL ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO COMMENT OR ASK NOW OR WAIT FOR THE PUBLIC. YOU LET ME KNOW.

NORMALLY THE COUNCIL, THIS IS TO THE PUBLIC FIRST AND UNLESS WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC FIRST?

I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN DO YOU WANT TO TAKE COUNCIL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM?

YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS JUST TO CLARIFY THAT FIRST IF YOU WANT BEFORE THE CITIZEN COMMENTS.

OKAY. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A DIRECTION TO DRAFT THIS.

I THINK MS. NORTHEY, QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS WOULD BE GOOD BEFORE THE COMMENTS IF YOU WANT.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIRMAN.

LET'S GET THE LINES CLARIFIED.

THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER DIRECTED TO YOU WHETHER YOU CAN PROVIDE THE ANSWERS WHETHER IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE. WHEN I SAT HERE 2 WEEKS AGO, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT WE ALREADY HAD AREAS THAT WERE LEGITIMATELY DOG FRIENDLY. WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN THAT WE LEGITIMIZED DOGS ON THE BEACH? BECAUSE YOU SHOWED ME SIGNS THAT INDICATED IT WAS A DOG FRIENDLY BEACH. WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN DOING THAT? I HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.

THE DOGS HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. I KNOW I WAS INVOLVED IN THE SMYRNA DUNES.

THAT WAS ABOUT BOARDWALKS.

THAT WAS ABOUT THE BEACH IN PARTICULAR AREAS BECAUSE IT DEALT WITH THE BEACH AND THE BOARDWALK. IT HAD ALL THE ASPECTS OF THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE BOARDWALKS ARE FOR DIFFERENT DOGS. THERE ARE THE WATER DOGS AND THE WALKING DOGS. SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.

I'M SURE WE AS A COUNCIL SAY THAT WE WERE CREATING DOG PARKS AT THE INLET. DID WE EVER SAY THAT?

MS. NORTHEY. LET ME SEE IF I CAN HELP. WHEN THE COUNTY TOOK OVER IN 1986. THERE WAS THAT OCEAN WORD OF THE JETTY. WE WERE OPENED BY THE PARK AND WERE LEASING LICENSE TO USE DUNES PARK WHICH IS OWNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO, THE INTERIOR BEACHES FROM THE JETTIES INWARD WERE NOT COVERED FOR THE DOGS. SO BY INTERPRETATION PEOPLE STARTED USING THOSE INTERIOR BEACHES. THERE ARE SEVERAL AGENDA ITEMS IN THE EARLY 90s WHEN PEOPLE BECAME AWARE OF THAT AND THOSE AREAS DID NOT INCLUDE THE BEACHES AND ACCEPTED THAT IS WHERE THE DOGS WOULD BE ALLOWED. IT MORE A MATTER OF EXCLUSION. THE DOGS WERE EXCLUDED FROM THE BEACH UNDER THE BEACH CODE. THIS WAS NOT UNDER THAT DEFINITION. WE HAD CONTROL OVER THOSE PARKS. THE DOGS WERE ALLOWED.

I CERTAINLY CHANGED THE COMPLEXION OF THE ISSUE WHEN I HEARD THAT.

I KNOW THAT SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE, PEOPLE REFER TO IT AS THE DOG BEACH. IT'S INTERIOR, ON THE INLET. IT'S NO THE ON THE OCEAN. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT BROUGHT UP THOSE QUESTIONS IN THE BRIEFINGS, IF AT ANY TIME DURING THIS CONVERSATION, THE COUNCIL WANTS MORE INFORMATION ON THOSE TWO BEACHES AND WHAT WE DO, I HAVE MARYANN PREPARED TO DO THAT IF YOU WANT.

THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION WAS HOW DO WE MANAGE THOSE AREAS AND THE IMPACT ON THE DOGS ON THE BEACH THERE NOW TO CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, BY TAKING AND MONITORING THEM HAVE WE ISSUED TICKETS THERE? I SERIOUSLY DID NOT REALIZE THAT WE HAD LEGITIMIZED DOGS ON THE BEACH IN THOSE TWO AREAS. I THOUGHT PEOPLE CLOSED THEIR EYES TO IT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HEARING.

NO. THEY ARE ACTUALLY PARKS AND DOGS ARE ALLOWED THERE. THE DOGS ARE ALLOWED DURING THE PARKS HOURS WHICH IS OPENING FROM 6:00 A.M. SUNRISE UNTIL SUNSET. THE DOGS ARE THERE WHILE THE PEOPLE ARE THERE. AT SMYRNA DUNES YOU HAVE 75 75-80% OF THE FOLKS THAT GO THERE ARE DOGS THAT ARE BROUGHT. BECAUSE IT APPEALS TO BOTH DOGS THAT LIKE TO GO ON THE BEACH AND DOGS THAT ARE WITH THEIR OWNERS ON THE BOARDWALK. IT'S THE FULL AUDIENCE OF DOG OWNERS. WE HAVE RULES IN TERMS OF EVERYTHING WE MENTIONED. THERE IS DOG MUST BE LEASHED, WASTE MUST BE PICKED UP. WE CAN REQUEST PROOF OF VACCINATION, NO AGGRESSIVE DOGS, NO DOGS LEFT UNATTENDED. ALL ITEMS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED. THESE ARE PARK RULES ANYWAY. WE HAVE DOG IN OUR OTHER PARKS. SIMILAR KIND OF OPERATION HERE. AT SMYRNA DUNES, WE HAVE A DOG WASH AVAILABLE. THEY CAN RINSE THE DOG OFF.

I DIDN'T KNOW THIS.

IN TERMS OF INCIDENTS, WE LOOK BACK ABOUT 4 YEARS TO JUST GET A FEEL FOR IT. AND WE'VE HAD TWO INCIDENTS WHERE DOGS AND PEOPLE CONFLICTED AND ONE DOG WITH DOG. SO, AGAIN OVER A PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEARS, NOT AN EXTREME EXPERIENCE. THE SAFETY PROVIDES BACK UP SUPPORT. THESE ARE PARKS UNDER COASTAL OPERATION AND WE HAVE COASTAL STAFF AT THE PARK. IT IS A FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL OF MONITORING AND OBSERVATION BECAUSE WE HAVE COASTAL STAFF BASED AT THESE PARKS. THERE IS A LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ON THE BEACH AT LARGE. STAFF DOES HELP WITH THE WASTE REMOVAL AT A PRETTY HEFTY PACE OVER THE SUMMER. PROBABLY ABOUT 15-20 A DAY. IT'S A MUCH LOVED PARK IN TERMS OF I WILL SAY THE PUBLIC EXPERIENCE. FEATURED WIDELY IN TERMS OF PET FRIENDLY PARKS IN THAT PART OF THE INTERNET WE ARE CONSIDERED A PRIME DESTINATION IN TERMS OF PET FRIENDLY PARK AREAS.

THAT'S AT LOW TIDE. AT HIGH TIDE IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE IN THE WATER WITH YOUR DOG WALKING. THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS A LOT OF ROCKS. YOU CAN SEE IT LOOKS LIKE A REEF. THERE IS A LOT OF ROCKS IN THAT VEGETATION OF EXPERIENCE OF BEING YOUNGER, PADDLING ACROSS THE INLET AT NIGHT AND FINDING OUT HOW SHARP THE PLANTS ARE AT HIGH TIDE. IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD. SO, LESSON LEARNED THE HARD WAY. THAT AREA RIGHT THERE IS NOT -- IT'S NOT REALLY GOOD FOR DOG WALKING. IT'S MORE OF -- IF YOU WANT TO TAKE YOUR DOG DOWN WITH A LONGER LEASH YOU CAN GO IN THE WATER, THERE IS A NEAT INSIDE AREA, KIND OF WHERE IT MAKES THAT COVE BUT THE GOAL OF THIS, THE DESIGN OF THIS JETTY IS EVENTUALLY THAT WILL NO LONGER EXIST ANY WAY. IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT JETTY MAKES A J. IT'S BUILT UP SO MUCH IN SAND. THAT WAS BUILT THAT WAY BECAUSE THAT LAND AT ONE POINT IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE. WHEN PEOPLE SAY DOG BEACH THERE WON'T BE A BEACH. IT'S ROCKING. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT KIND OF INLET THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED. THE WAY I BROUGHT IT UP. I THINK PERSONALLY, I'M GOING TO GO HEAD AND GIVE SOME OF MY VIEWPOINTS AND SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL HELP SOME OF THE COMMENTS. I THINK THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL. CAN YOU PUT UP THE --.

LIST.

THE LIST IF YOU DON'T MIND. BECAUSE FOR ME, THIS LIST IS VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S LIKE OUR BEACH. WHEN PEOPLE SAY OUR BEACH IS A -- A DRIVING BEACH. IN REALITY OUR POLICIES HAVE SPECIFICALLY BEEN SET UP SO OUR PEACHES WEREN'T A PARKING BEACH. THE THINGS WE HAVE CHANGED AT LEAST IN THE LAST FIVE-YEARS, WE HAVE TRIED TO MAKE IT TURN INTO A PARKING BEACH. YOU BOTH KNOW. WE FOE FOCUSED ON MAKING POLICY CHANGES. WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP IT -- IT'S NOT TO CREATE A DOG PARKING AREA WHERE YOU SIT. IT IS FOR DOG WALKING. THE PEOPLE AND ONE -- THEY WANT TO WALK THEIR DOG. THEY DON'T WANT TO SIT WITH THE DOG AND TIE IT TO THE CHAIR, THEY WANT TO WALK THE DOG. I AGREE THAT THE DUNES, YOU HAVE THAT WALKING ASPECT. THE ONLY ARGUMENT I HAVE HEARD IS WHY DO I HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE WHEN I LIVE FARTHER DOWN. NOT AS MUCH IMPACT AS THE NORTHERN BEACHES BECAUSE THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PARKS BUT THE USER IS DIFFERENT. TOTALLY JUST -- THE USER IS DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT A DOG WALKING AREA. IT'S A -- YOU CAN BRING YOUR DOG TO PLAY IN THE WATER KIND CAN OF AREA. SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP AND STAFF DID A GREAT JOB, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT -- I DISAGREE IN SOME POINTS BECAUSE MIGRATORY BIRDS MAKE ASSUMPTIONS, THE IDEA THAT DOGS AREN'T ON LEASHES. IF THEY ARE TIED TO A HUMAN IT CHANGES THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE SOME OF MY VIEWPOINTS BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR -- THE -- PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TO GIVE ME INPUT AS WELL.

BASED ON MY COMMENTS AND ASKING SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, PARTICULAR PEOPLE I THINK THE MAX MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I RETRICK THAT AS FAR AS COMING DOWN. JUST BECAUSE THE BIRD SITUATION IS PROBABLY NUMBER ONE. AS FAR AS TRYING TO MITIGATE THAT ASPECT. I DO AND I HAVE TALKED TO JIM AT LENGTH AND I DIDN'T GET INTO THIS TWO WEEKS AGO. IF WE ARE GOING TO DO A TRIAL PERIOD FOR DOG WALKING WHICH WOULD BE MY INTENT ON DOG WALKING. AS FAR AS THAT OBVIOUSLY MAKES IT -- YOU CAN'T -- YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TIE IT TO A POLE OR CHAIR. I HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF A LIMIT OF DOGS UNTIL A COUPLE OF PEOPLE MENTIONED IT. I'M FINE WITH THAT FOR A TRIAL PERIOD.

MY BELIEF -- I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

I THINK $50 ARE NOT ONCE. I KNOW PEOPLE WILL WANT TO TRY TO GET CAUGHT ONCE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY WILL GET THE WARNING. I KNOW IT'LL HAPPEN. I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT THE TICKET. I ASSUMED IT WAS GOING TO END. THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP IS -- IN THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS, I'M EVEN FINE WITH TWO MONTHS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE TIME AS FAR AS HOW LONG IT WOULD BE. I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD EXTEND THIS INTO THE BUSY SEASON. I SAID THAT LAST MEETING. WHY -- IT'S A TEST. WHY WOULD YOU TAKE THAT RISK? ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE IS IF WE DID THE THREE MONTHS, IF YOU DID THREE MONTHS, LET'S SAY THIS FAILS AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU -- WHAT IS PASSING AND FAILING. IF YOU DO AN ORDINANCE CAN WE RESCIND IT AND JUST END IT IN IF IT -- IF THIS WAS JUST REALLY BAD.

WHAT IS THOUGHT ABOUT IS AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULDN'T BE CODIFIED, NOT WITH STANDING THE PROVISIONS OF THE CODE. IT WOULD -- IT WOULD EXPIRE OF ITS OWN TERMS BUT COUNCIL BY EXTRAORDINARY VOTE -- THAT IS TO SAY SIX MEMBERS COULD PASS AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE ANY THURSDAY THAT YOU ARE IN SESSION ENDING IT.

AND -- YOU COULD SAY SIX WEEKS IN YOU GET IN AND ARE LIKE THIS IS JUST NOT -- CAN'T ENFORCE IT, IT'S NOT WORKING.

THE PROVISION DISPENSES WITH NOTICE. SIX VOTES, ON A GIVEN THURSDAY YOU CAN PASS -- THEY COULD DECLARE THE EMERGENCY TO SAYING THIS JUST ISN'T WORKING THE WAY WE THOUGHT AND COULD REPEAL IT PRIOR TO WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO BE -- OTHERWISE THE EXPIRATION DATE.

THANK YOU. AND -- THE REASON I WANTED TO GIVE MY COMMENTS FIRST IS -- TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL THAT WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP OBVIOUSLY -- THE FIRST TIME I BROUGHT THIS UP YEARS AGO IT WAS 24 HOURS A DAY EVERYWHERE. I HAVE BROUGHT THAT DOWNO SOMETHING I THINK IS MANAGEABLE. I CAN TELL YOU FOR CONSENSUS PURPOSES AND TRYING TO DO A TRIAL RUN BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD TEST IF CONTROLLED PROPERLY, I'M OKAY WITH ALL THESE CHANGES AND I'M OKAY WITH SHORTENING TIME. I JUST THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THERE IS BEEN SO MANY SCARE TACTICS AND THINGS OVER THE YEARS. IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT IN A CONTROLLED WAY IT'LL SHOW US AND IN A SHORT TIME PERIOD IF THIS COULD BE SUCCESSFUL. THAT'S WHY I'M JUST LOOKING FOR HOPEFULLY TO COME DOWN ON SOME OF MY ITEMS AND MAYBE PEOPLE TO COME UP A LITTLE ON THEIRS TO JUST COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT YETS A GOOD TRIAL PROGRAM. THAT'S TO THE CROWD AS WELL. NOT JUST THE COUNSEL. I APPRECIATE STAFF. I ALSO SHARE THEM.

THERE IS ONE THING I DIDN'T BRING UP A KNOW A COUPLE OF COUNCILMEMBERS, IS THAT IF WE -- IF PEOPLE DO NOT CLEAN UP FOR THEIR DOGS, OR IF WE GET CALLS WHERE PEOPLE REPORT IT, ALL WE WILL DO IS MAKE SURE IT GETS REMOVED. WE WILL NOTE IT AS PART OF THE TEST SO YOU WILL KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, IT'LL BE A QUANTITY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE USING OUR CURRENT CONTRACTORS WHO THAT -- WE COULD ARGUE THAT SOMEHOW FUDGE THE INFORMATION. WE WOULD KNOW IF THERE IS A TREND OF PEOPLE NOT PICKING UP OR NOT.

AND I THINK WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ANDERSON'S GROUP AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB. I'M DOWN THERE QUITE OFTEN AS FAR AS HOW THEY DEAL WITH WASTE. IF THEY ARE PUT ON NOTICE THEY CAN NOTE IT THEMSELVES. IF THEY SEE IT THEY WOULD STOP. THEY ARE IN -- YOU DON'T KNOW -- THEY ARE IN THE SIX WHEEL -- NOT FOUR WHEEL, KIND OF THE SIX WHEELERS WITH -- NOT A CAR, IT'S A LITTLE ATV WITH A LITTLE BACK AND YOU CAN PUT THE TRASH CANNON. IT'S NOT LIKE WE WOULDN'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE LITTERING. THEY ARE OPEN TO THE ENVIRONMENT. THEY ARE NOT IN A CAGE. THEY ARE OPEN AND CAN SEE IT. I ASSUMED WE WOULD HAVE HIM ENGAGED IN THERE.

WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO EXTEND THAT. WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP RECORDS ON THAT SO IN CASE IF ANYONE HAS A QUESTION.

HAVE YOU TO BE ON THE RECORD WHEN YOU DO THAT.

SORRY. WE ALREADY ANTICIPATED WE WOULD HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP AND JUST KEEP A RECORD. THAT COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO KNOW.

GOOD. OKAY. I HAVE TO TURN YOURS ON. GO HEAD.

LET ME JUST SAY I WANT TO -- YOU KNOW IN CAUTION I'M ADVISED THAT PROBABLY THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE ON THE BIRDS, THE HOURS AND THE NESTING ISSUE WAS REALLY THE CONSIDERATION WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE AREA IN THE SHORES. DOWN ON THE INLET THE BIRD NESTING IS KIND OF A -- MORE OF A CONSTANT ISSUE AND THE EXISTING RULES ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE THAT PROTECTION. WHAT PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH TODAY AND SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD NOT TO CHANGE THOSE DURING THIS PERIOD BECAUSE THEY ARE WHAT PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH AND WHAT THEY KNOW AT THIS TIME. THEN WE COULD TAKE AN HOURLY OR -- HOUR FOCUSED APPROACH IN THE SHORES AREA.

OKAY. MISS CUSACK YOU HAVE A COMMENT.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MY CONCERN IS HOW WILL WE GO ABOUT CONTROLLING OR MONITORING THIS? I'M GETTING A LOT OF E-MAILS SAYS THAT THERE IS NO MONITORING OF PEOPLE BRINGING DOGS ON THE BEACH EVEN NOW. SO, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE WILL BE -- HOW WILL YOU NOT -- WHAT -- HOW WILL YOU CONTROL THIS AS FAR AS THE DOGS OFF THE LEASH, NOT CLEANING UP THE WASTE, I MEAN -- THEN, ANOTHER THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS THE URINE THAT IS ON THE BEACH. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CONCERN ME. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT. THE CONTROL PIECE. HOW WILL YOU MONITOR THIS.

LET ME ANSWER THIS. FIRST OF ALL, THE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT WE SORT OF IGNORED WITH DOGS ON THE BEACH. THAT'S NOT TRUE. WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS PEOPLE SNEAKING THEM ON, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. IT'S HARD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE AND WE HAVE CUT BACK ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. UNLESS MY PEOPLE GO OUT IN THE DARK IF THEY HAVE A LIT VEHICLE WITH LIGHTS, GO HE -- THEY GET OFF THE BEACH WHEN THEY SEE THE LIGHTS COMING. I CAN DO SOME STINGS ON THAT IF I WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THE POINT. DURING THE DAY OR WHEN WE CAN SEE, PEOPLE DON'T BRING THE DOGS DOWN BECAUSE IF THEY ARE ON THE BEACH WITH THE DOG, OKAY, THEY ARE IN TROUBLE. NOW, WHAT WE WILL DO IS THAT THIS WILL BE NO DIFFERENT IN THAT SENSE. THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO GET CLEAR. IF SOMEONE COMES ON THE BEACH AT A TIME OTHER THAN WHAT THEY ARE PRESCRIBED THERE WON'T BE A WARNING, WE WILL SITE THEM. THEY WILL HAVE A FINE. IF THEY ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF THE DOG, THEY WILL HAVE A FINE. IF THEY DO NOT CLEAN UP AFTER THE DOG, THEY WILL HAVE A FINE. THERE WON'T BE WARNINGS. THEY WILL BE FINED. NOW, I HAVE TALKED TO THE BEACH SAFETY OFFICERS, THEY WILL WORK WITH US TO SAY IF THEY NEED MORE PEOPLE OR NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME BASED ON HOW COMPLIANT WE ARE. THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT A DOG URINATING ON THE BEACH. WE WON'T TAKE A COMPLAINT ON THAT, THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO.

NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THE URINE BUT THE SAFETY AND HEALTH ASPECTS OF THAT IS REAL. AS A NURSE I JUST HAVE THAT CONCERN. MY SECOND QUESTION IS HOW -- I DID NOT KNOW THAT WE HAD TWO AREAS ON THE BEACH THAT WAS DOG FRIENDLY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. HOW MANY TICKETS HAVE YOU EVER ISSUED IN THESE DOG FRIENDLY BEACHES AREAS?

BEFORE -- NOT CLEANING UP AFTER THEIR DOGS. YOU HAVE ANY REPORTS AS TO WHAT -- HOW -- THERE IS NO --.

SORRY?

[INAUDIBLE].

NO. WE DON'T BREAK TICKETS IN THE PARKS. WE RECORD AN INCIDENT AND PEOPLE MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE.

SO --.

[INAUDIBLE].

THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR NOT CLEANING UP AFTER YOUR DOG? ON THE DOG BEACHESN.

NO.

NOT YET.

NO.

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. THAT IT'S VERY -- THIS IS A SURPRISE TO ME IN THIS DISCUSSION ON DOGS. THAT IS, THAT -- SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE ITS BEEN THAT WAY SO I ASSUMED THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD AND THAT COUNSEL AND IT WAS PART OF THE PARK SYSTEM. OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO PROMOTE THAT BETTER. WHICH NEED TO LOOK AT THE RULES WE HAVE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT A DOG ON A LEASH IS SOMETHING THAT IS EASIER TO POLICE THAN PEOPLE NOT CLEANING UP FOR THEIR DOG. BECAUSE, UNLESS YOU SEE IT AT THE MOMENT THAT PERSON -- IF YOU COME DONE WILL DENY THERE ARE DOG -- THAT THE DOG DID THAT. THAT'S HARD TO POLICE. I DO THINK IT WOULD BE HARD ON THE BEACH THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. WE WILL WATCH IT. THE DOG NOT BEING IN CONTROL OR NOT IN SOMEONE'S HAND, WE CAN TELL THAT IN TWO SECONDS. WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IS HOW WE REGULATE THE DOG FRIENDLY AREAS BETTER AND PROMOTE THEM BETTER. YEAH, THAT'S A CHALLENGE DOWN THERE. IT'S THE SAME CHALLENGE ESPECIALLY WITH DOGS GOING TO THE BATHROOM IN THE PARKS, IT'S THE SAME THING. THEY ARE ON THE HONOR SYSTEM. IT'S HARD TO SEE IN A PARK. PARKS ARE HARDER BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGGER. WE WILL TRY THE BEST WE CAN TO WATCH IT.

I -- I HAVE SOME CONCERNS -- BECAUSE OF THE AREA THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. THE ENTIRE BEACH. I AGREE WITH JOSH. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME PROVISIONS TO COME BACK IF WE NEED TO NOT GO THE 90 DAYS, THAT WE HAVE INDICATED. BECAUSE THIS IS -- THIS IS BIG AND THERE IS SOME REASON WHY IN THE PAST THEY HAVE RESTRICTED DOGS FROM THE ENTIRE BEACH. THERE MUST BE SOMETHING THAT CAUSED THAT. HAS IT EVER BEEN ANYTHING DONE -- I GUESS THIS IS FROM LEGAL AS IT RELATES TO DOGS ON THE BEACH IN THE PAST? YOU PROBABLY -- DO YOU KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER ALLOWED ON THE BEACH?

NOT AS PART OF YOUR BEACH CODE. THE PROVISIONS WE HAVE REGARDING -- ITS BEEN A 207 I CAN OF FREQUENT DISCUSSIONS OVER THE YEARS BUT THE PROVISIONS YOU HAVE DISALLOWING DOGS ON THE BEACH WERE ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL IN 1987 WHEN THE CODE WAS ADOPTED AND I DON'T RECALL RIGHT NOW THE PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE PROVISION THAT WERE IN PLACE PRIOR TO THAT TIME.

THANK YOU.

AT LEAST FROM 1987.

THE INFORMATION WHAT YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR US TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS HOW WE WILL MANAGE THIS, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HERE. I ALSO -- WANT US TO BE MINDFUL THAT IT'S GOING -- YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THIS ON THE BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE TODAY FOR THE BEACH. OR WILL YOU?

SORRY. WE KEEP -- IF YOU COULD PULL THOSE MICROPHONES DOWN, BOTH OF THEM.

WAY DOWN.

MORE. I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BUDGET. EVEN IF I HAVE TO USE THE FUNDS I HAVE. IF WE BELIEVE THAT WE NEED MORE ENFORCEMENT IN THE FUTURE I WOULD RATHER FIND THAT OUT IN THE EXPERIMENT AND COME BACK TO TELL YOU THAT. I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO MAKE IT WORK DURING THE EXPERIMENT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

NO PROBLEM.

OKAY. MR. DANIELS -- YOU STILL WANT TO COMMENT OR HEAR THE 16 PEOPLE WE HAVE WAITING OUT HERE?

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FIRST. I GUESS THIS ONE WOULD GO TO MRS. SEAMOND. YOU HAVE WORKED THE HABITAT CONVERSATION PLAN QUITE A LOT. IS THE PLAN HIM APPLY IMPLICATED AT ALL IN THIS?

I DO NOT BELIEVE SO AND THE SERVICE ISSUED A LETTER SAYING THE PLAN ITSELF WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED, HOWEVER, WHILE YOU ALL RECEIVED A COPY. I WILL JUST LET IT STAND. THEY CONFIRMED MY BELIEF THAT THE HCP ISN'T AFFECTED.

OKAY. AND -- IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN PROTECT ALL THE ENDANGERED SPECIES, BIRDS INCLUDED. KNOW WE HAVE OTHERS DOWN THERE BESIDES THAT.

YES SIR. THE MAPS PREPARED WERE DONE BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF. THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THE AREAS WE BELIEVE WE NEED TO EXERCISE EXTRA CAUTION.

AND I HAD UNDERSTOOD ALSO THAT SOMEONE FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WAS GOING GOING TO BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. ARE THEY HERE? DR. SORENSON WOULD YOU COME UP AND TELL US ABOUT THE HEALTH AFFECTS. I UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS AN ISSUE.

DID YOU FILL OUT ONE OF THESE FORMS? YOU DON'T HAVE TO. YOU ARE STAFF. COME ON OVER. I WANTED TO MAKE SUE SURE --.

I WILL DO SO. BONNIE SORENSON. FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I HAD SHARED WITH YOU FOR INFORMATION'S SAKE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF PARASITES THAT HAPPEN IN DOG FEC ES. THAT BEING THE HOOKWORM AND THE ROUND WORM. CLEARLY WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT CLEANING UP THE FECES BUT THE REALITY IS THAT EVEN IF THE FECES ARE PICKED UP THE LARVAC OF THE PARASITES REMAIN IN THE SAND. ON A BEACH SITUATION, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY WALK BARE FOOT INTO DOG PARKS BUT THEY WALK BARE FOOT AND LIVE IN THE SAND ON THE BEACH AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL OF THEM GETTING SOME INFECTION FROM THE SAND. THE OTHER ISSUE I JUST WANTED TO RAISE IS THE KIND OF UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE WHEREBY THE COUNTY FOR SOME REASON IS FOURTH IN THE STATE IN THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT ARE BITTEN BY ANIMALS, DOGS INCLUDED, AND THE RABIES TREATMENT THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE. THAT'S JUST A PRECAUTION.

AND WITH THE WORMS, WHAT KIND OF EFFECT DOES THAT HAVE ON PEOPLE. ARE THEY SURFACE OR DO THEY GET INSIDE? WHAT'S THE STORY?

THE HOOK WORM IS SERVICE AND THE ROUND WORM IS INTERNAL. HOOK WORM CAUSES WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN FLORIDA RECOGNIZE AS GROUND ITCH. IT'S AN INFECTION THAT -- THE LARVAE ENTER THE SKIN, GET UNDER AND MIGRATE AND CAUSE A RED, VERY ITCHY RASH. USUALLY ON THE FEET OR WHATEVER PART OF THE SKIN THAT HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO THE SOIL. IT CAN BE TREATED BUT IT'S A NUISANCE. MANY PEOPLE IN FLORIDA ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT. OVER THE YEARS ESPECIALLY CHILDREN WHO GO BARE FOOT ANYWHERE IN FLORIDA. THE ROUND WORM IS MORE THE ISSUE OF EGGS IN THE SAND IF YOU INGEST THEM THEY CAN CAUSE INTERNAL PROBLEMS AND THAT'S A CONCERN MOSTLY FOR CHILDREN WHO ARE MORE LIKELY TO PLAY IN THE SAND AND THEN EAT POTATO CHIPS AND PUT THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR MOUTH AND CONTAMINATE THEMSELVES.

IS IT ROUND WORMS THAT AFFECT MENTAL ABILITY IF YOU HAVE THEM?

ROUND WORM?

ARE THEY -- IS THAT THE ONE THAT AFFECTS MENTAL ABILITY?

NO. I'M NOT -- THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT. IT'S A VET TYPE OF PARASITE, IT'S NOT REPORTED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE VETS PRESENT AND THEY MAY WANT TO ANSWER THAT.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS. THERE WAS SOME SORT OF PARASITE THAT -- BECAME A BIG ISSUE IN WORLD WAR I. WITH -- ALL THE SOUTHERN RECRUITS. THE SOUTHERN RECRUITS SCORED WORSE ON INTELLIGENCE TESTS THAN THE NORTH AND WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THAT THE SOUTHERN RECRUITS HAD -- I THINK IT WAS ROUND WORMS AND AS SOON AS THEY CURED THEM THE INTELLIGENCE TESTS WERE THE SAME.

THAT'S INTERESTING.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THE NORTH WON BECAUSE THE WORMS WERE THERE. THAT IS WHY WE LOST BY GOD.

QUESTION ANSWERED.

OKAY. ALL THESE YEARS LATER.

ALL THESE YEARS LATER.

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN.

AS SOON AS WE GET RID OF THE WORMS.

YES.

OKAY.

THERE IS -- A QUESTION -- HAVE AERIALIST -- HAVE YOU RELEASED THE FLOOR SIR?

IS THERE SOMEONE HERE THAT KNOWS? I'M JUST CURIOUS. THERE WAS SOME -- I GUESS NOT. OKAY. I GUESS THAT -- AGAIN THE STAFF, ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE, YOU ARE COMFORTABLE THIS IS GOING TO WORK OUT?

WE TEST OCEAN WATER. WE DON'T TEST THE SAND.

OKAY.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A -- DOG IN THAT FIGHT SO TO SPEAK.

OKAY.

YES. IT'S FUNNIER WHEN SHE SAYS IT.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU.

AM I GOING TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE DAY? YES, MR. WAGNER YOU HAD A QUESTION?

SOME SPECIFICS. I APPRECIATE THE OBVIOUSLY -- CONCERNS WITH MAYBE HOW IT WAS WRITTEN. MY QUESTIONS ARE. WE HAVE HAD THE DOG PARK. I WON'T USE [INAUDIBLE] AS AN EXAMPLE. THAT'S NOT A WALKING -- IN MY -- THAT'S NOT A WALKING BEACH SOY WALKING SO BEACH. HOW MANY INCIDENTS HAVE WE HAD OF ROUND WORMS OR RING WORMS OF ANYONE IN 40 YEARS?

NOT YET? NOT HERS? YOU HIT THE KILL SWITCH.

AS I SAID THOSE TYPES OF DISEASES ARE NOT REPORTABLE TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SO WE WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF MONITORING THAT.

OKAY. SO, ALL YOU CAN PROVIDE US IS THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE COULD --.

RIGHT. POTENTIAL.

HAS STAFF EVER HEARD OF AN INCIDENT OF ANY SORT OF BUBONIC PLAGUE FROM THE PARK? NO? OKAY. THE REASON -- AND SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES IN YOUR STATEMENT I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE ENGAGED AND I LOOK FOR YOU FOR ADVICE ON THIS ONE. SOME OF THE PICTURES I HAVE SEEN AND THE -- THEY SEEM TO BRING UP -- I HAVE CONCERNS WITH. I HAVE CHILDREN. WE GO DOWN TO THE PARK AND PONDS, DOWN TO THE BEACH. THEY ARE DIGGING IN THE SAND. THE AREA I THINK WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DISEASES, THE BEST ONE TO USE IN MY OPINION, PERSONALLY AND THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE, IS DISAPPEARING ISLAND. HAS EVERYBODY BEEN THERE? MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT. IT'S A PARTY. DOGS GO. IT'S VEGAS ON THAT ISLAND. IT'S INSANE. THERE IS STUFF EVERYWHERE AND THE WHOLE ISLAND DOESN'T DISAPPEAR ANYMORE. IT USED TO BE WHERE YOUR COOLER WOULD FLEET FLOAT AWAY. I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH KID WHOSE GREW UP AND IT'S DOG CRAZY. IT IS. IT'S GOTTEN A LITTLE OUT OF HAND SO I GO TO FRIENDLY DISAPPEARING ISLAND WHICH IS NEXT DOOR. WE BRING -- WE STILL BRING DOGS BUT IT'S NOT INSANE. MY KIDS HAVE -- THEY DIG IN THE SAND AND MY FRIENDS KIDS, I HAVE DUG IN THE SAND, MAYBE THAT EXPLAINS A LOT ACCORDING TO DOUG'S LITTLE EXPERIMENT. MAYBE I HAVE BEEN DIGGING TO MUCH. THE POINT IS I HAVE NEVER -- AS MUCH AS I HAVE BEEN OUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT, EVER. SO, I APPRECIATE IT AND I KNOW IT'S THERE BUT IS THERE A REASON? IS IT THE SALTY ENVIRONMENT. MAYBE IT WAS A HARDER TIME SURVIVING. IS IT A REASON WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN SICK?

I THINK SINCE IT'S NOT REPORTED WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT IT. YOURS IS ONE EXPERIENCE AND THE POTENTIAL IS PROBABLY LOW BUT GROUND.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN IS THERE WERE SOME STATEMENTS MADE ABOUT DOG BITES IN THERE. THE ONE THING THAT WOULD HELP ME AND I KNOW -- I'M A PERSONAL INJURY ATTORNEY, DOG BITES HAPPEN. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU GAVE A STAT OF THE 133 WHICH YOU LATER LET ME KNOW THAT 61% WAS DOGS, I THINK IT WAS 24%.

24% CATS.

AND THEN 5% OTHER. YOU KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF RACCOONS.

10 PORSCHE 10% WERE RACCOONS.

THERE IS A LOT OF THEM. THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DOG BITES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN EIGHT FOOT LEASH. ARE THOSE ALL -- ALL DOGS JUST ROAMING. IF WE DID A PILOT PROGRAM WOULD A PROPER WAY TO HELP -- MAKE IT SAFER WOULD BE THE LEASH LAW? WE HAVE A VERY STRICT LEASH LAW THAT WOULD HELP. IT WOULD BE LESS COMMON.

RIGHT. IF THE DOG IS CONTROLLED. HOPEFULLY THE HUMAN DOG INTERACTION WOULD BE LESS.

OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WHICH I APPRECIATE THAT YOU THINK -- BESIDES JUST STAFF, SUGGESTIONS, ARE THERE THINGS BESIDES THAT LEASH LAW YOU THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT AND A HEALTH STANDPOINT?

THE ONLY OTHER THOUGHT I HAD WAS RELATED TO RABIES VACCINE. WHEN WE HAVE TO GIVE THE TREATMENT WHICH IS EXPENSIVE IT'S WHEN WE DON'T KNOW IF THE DOG HAS HAD SHOTS OR NOT OR -- WE DON'T KNOW WHICH DOG IT WAS. SO, MANY CITIES HAVE RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY REQUIRE ANIMALS TO HAVE SHOTS AGAINST RABIES AND HAVE PROOF OF SUCH AND THAT THEN LETS US BE ABLE TO RULE OUT RABIES AT LEAST FOR THAT PARTICULAR DOG, HUMAN INCIDENT.

SO YOU ARE SAY FIGURE WE LET -- -- ONE OF THE REQUIRES LIKE WHEN YOU TRAVEL WITH YOUR PET THAT'S A RULE. YOU ARE SAYING WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE DOG NEEDS TO BE UP TO DATE ON THE SHOTS.

EXACTLY.

THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION HONESTLY. YEAH. SPECIFIC ASPECT OF IT. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. SOMEONEE MAILED ME THAT THE DOG PARK HAS TIME CONSTRAINTS. THAT'S JUST FOR THE RECORD THEY WANT IT KNOWN THERE ARE TIME CONSTRAINT WAS THAT PARKS WITH THAT PARK AS WELL.

OKAY. ONE MORE AND THEN WE WILL GET TO THE COMMENTS AND AT THIS POINTLY HAVE TO ASK STAFF WHILE SHE IS TALKING, IF YOU COULD VACATE THE FIRST TWO ROWS TO PUT ALL THE PUBLIC IN THERE THAT WANTS TO PARTICIPATE. THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE THEM THROUGH QUICKER. YOUR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. YOU ARE ASSUMING VERY NO QUESTION -- I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

A MAN CAN DREAM.

YES YOU CAN. OKAY. HERE IS MY COMMENT. WE USED THE DUNES PARK A LOT AND WE WALK OUR DOG ON A LEASH DOWN THERE. THE ISSUE WE HAVE SEEN THROUGH THE YEARS AND WE WERE PART OF IT YEARS AGO AND JACK WAS HERE AND YOU HAD THAT LIVELY SITUATION DISCUSSION. THERE WERE MEETINGS AROUND THE COUNTY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. AND THE THING IS THOSE OF US THAT HAVE DOGS, WE ARE THE GOOD STEWARDS AND ARE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR BECAUSE THE ONE ELEMENT WE CANNOT CONTROL ARE DAY TRIPPERS THAT COME UP BY BOAT AND USE THE BEACHES AND COME UP TO THE INLET, JOSH I'M SURE SURE YOU SEE THEM. IT'S A BEACH EFFECT ON THE INSIDE OF THAT INLET. THEY COME UP WITH MULTIPLE DOGS AND JUST LIKE DISAPPEARING ISLAND. WE HAVE THE SAME THING WHEN WE GO THERE. THERE ARE -- YOU KNOW MULTIPLE DOGS RUNNING UNLEASHED AT THE PARK TOO. I WOVEN TOUR TO SAY IF -- IF WE REALLY TOOK A LOOK AT WHO IS DOING IT, IT'S NOT THE LOCALS DOING IT. THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE REALLY APPRECIATE THE ABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY TO WALK THEIR DOGS AND TO EXERCISE THE DOGS IN THE PARK. I HAVE TO SAY -- I MEAN I KNOW THAT'S TRUE. YOU TALK TO ANYONE DOWN THERE OR TALK TO THE RANGER THAT ARE THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE TAGS, THERE ARE SOMETIMES IN THE PARKING LOT. IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT COME FROM OUTSIDE OUR AREA SO WHILE WE CAN TRY TO CONTROL, CONSTRAIN, THE DAMAGE, THE CHAOS, WHATEVER AND SET LIMITS THOSE THAT COME HERE FOR THE DAY, VERY HONESTLY TO HAVE A GOOD TIME, ENJOY THE SURF AND THE BOARDWALK AND THE BEACH, WITH THEIR FAMILY AND DOGS, THIS IS NOT ON THEIR MIND AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE ONE LOOK AT IT AND -- ESPECIALLY IF YOU COME UP BY BOAT. UNLESS WE PUT OUR ENFORCEMENT ON JET SKIS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE JET SKIS. ARE YOU SAYING --

[INAUDIBLE]

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS ENFORCEMENT IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE. IT IS. YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT -- UNLESS YOU ARE CONSIDER -- WE ARE WILLING TO BE DOG GESTAPO -- RIGHT AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO. SAFETY ISSUES. I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE RETRACTIBLE LEASH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM REMOVED. I HAVE BEEN ON THE PARK WALKING THE DOG ON A REGULAR LEASH AND IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WITH A RETRACTIBLE LEASH AND -- THE PARK, THE BOARDWALK ISN'T THAT WIDE TO START WITH. IF YOU HAVE -- ESPECIALLY PEOPLE COMING THE OTHER WAY OR THE SAME WAY, EACH WITH A DIFFERENT DOG ON A RETRACTIBLE LEASH I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW OFTEN I HAVE WALKED AND SAID SHORTEN YOUR LEASH PLEASE BEFORE I GET THERE. EVEN WHEN I DON'T HAVE THE DOG WITH ME. THE FIRST WORDS I SAY IS SHORTEN YOUR LEASH. SO -- IT'S AN ISSUE THAT IS PROBABLY NOT DISCUSSED OFTEN BUT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR COMPLETELY DISALLOWING RETRACTIBLE LEASHES PERIOD. BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU HAVE A PROBLEM TO SHORTEN THE LEASH YOU ARE ALREADY IN THE SITUATION. I THINK THAT WE COULD -- WE COULD -- YOU KNOW BE GOOD STEWARDS ON THE SAFETY ISSUE AT LEAST WITH REMOVING RETRACTIBLE LEASHES. ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. I WOULD LIKE -- I DON'T KNOW THE REST OF YOU, I'M SURE YOU GET THE SAME E-MAILS. I HAVE 10 TO ONE AGAINST THIS AS FAR AS BEING E-MAILS AND COMMUNICATION. TEN TO ONE AGAINST THIS GOING FORWARD. THERE IS REAL CONCERN. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN WAGNER. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TRIAL RUN TO PUT THESE KIND OF THINGS IN BUT WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND WATCH THIS. BECAUSE AGAIN, THE OFFENSES ARE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY COME FROM RESIDENTS AND IT'S GOING TO BE -- WE ARE GOING TO BE CLEANING UP AND DOING DAMAGE CONTROL AND HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH GOOD PEOPLE WHO TAKE CARE OF THEIR DOGS AND THERE IS OTHERS THAT JUST DON'T HONOR THAT. I'M DONE. THANK YOU.

OKAY. PHIL EGITTO? IS THAT THE CORRECT SPELLS? SPELLING? HE HAD TO GO BACK. NEVER MIND. THAT'S THE PASTOR. SORRY. HARRY BECK. COME ON FRONT PLEASE SIR. JUDITH

MILKHARSKY, DOCTOR OF DIANE CARNEY, PLEASE COME FORWARD, JAKE SATCH, COME ON DOWN. DEBORAH -- OKAY. MARY

Y -- ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. THERE YOU ARE. CARROLL HARTJUDD. DID I DO ALL RIGHT? THANK YOU. RICHARD -- COME OVER BY YOUR WIFE. GOSH. THEY DO THAT TO ME. OKAY. MICHAEL FADDIS. PLEASE COME UP FRONT. RICK CORREY. ARE YOU PRESENT SIR? GRAY, GRAY, OKAY, OKAY, GRAY, I CAN SEE WHERE -- IT LOOKS LIKE A CORAY, I HAVE A FRIEND THAT SPELLS HIS NAME THAT WAY AND HIS NAME IS BILL. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET CORAY OUT OF IT. YES, SIR, ONE MOMENT. OKAY. PATRICIA WOOD? OKAY. HENYA ZENIETTY. WE NEED TO GET A BETTER PEN OVER THERE BECAUSE THIS IS BARELY READABLE. THE PENS ARE GOING BAD. KATHY -- AM I CLOSE? KATHY. COME ON OVER. KAREN CLARK. AND MIGUEL, HASSAN. THERE YOU ARE. OKAY. WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE ARE. OKAY. I HAVE BEEN GIVEN A REQUEST BY A COUPLE OF THE COUNSEL. WE HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS AND WE NEED TO TAKE A FIVE OR TEN MINUTE BREAK. WHAT WE WILL DO IS GO INTO A TEN MINUTE RECESS. EVERYBODY REMEMBER WHERE YOU ARE. WHEN WE COME BACK, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. OKAY? WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT. EVERYBODY TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK.

OKAY. WE WILL BE RECONVENING IN A MOMENT. IF THE COUNCIL COULD JOIN US AND EVERYBODY KIND OF TAKE YOUR SEATS. PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON QUIET AND WE WILL GET BACK TO THIS. ABOUT ONE MINUTE.

IF THE CHAMBER WHO PLEASE COME BACK TO ORDER.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND. TECHNICAL PROBLEM.

WE ARE HAVING A TECHNICAL PROBLEM. ONE SECOND.

LOOKS OKAY.

WE ARE STILL UNDER HAMMER HERE. GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S START OFF WITH HENRY BECK. DID I CALL YOU FIRST? WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS IF YOU HAVE -- I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF -- A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROBABLY SAY THEY DON'T WANT DOGS ON THE BEACH FOR THE SAME REASONING -- YOU KNOW. IF YOU -- YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE THREE MINUTES. IF YOU WANT TO SAY YES I AGREE WITH HIM, I'M ALL ABOUT THAT WE CAN GO WITH THAT AND KEEP MOVING BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO MAY BE GETTING HUNGRY. IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO LUNCH. WITH THAT MR. BECK, I WILL GIVE YOU YOUR THREE MINUTES AFTER YOU GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

OKAY. MY NAME IS HARRY BECK. I LIVE AT 2900 NORTH ATLANTIC AVENUE IN NORTH DAYTONA BEACH. I LIVE ON BEACH FRONT CONDO. I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS AND NOW I'M 84 YEARS OLD AND WALKING THE BEACH IS ONE OF MY -- PROBABLY MY MAIN FORM OF EXERCISE NOW. YESTERDAY MORNING FOR EXAMPLE, MY WIFE AND I WERE OUT THERE, LITTLE CHILLY, BUT IT WAS A FEW WALKERS THERE AND HUNDREDS OF SEA BIRDS AND IT WAS MAYBE NOT THE MOST PEACEFUL PLACE ON EARTH BUT IT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST PEACEFUL PLACE AROUND HERE. WE GO OUT THERE QUITE A BIT. MY QUESTION, MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHY, WHY DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO DO THIS TO THE BEACH? WE HAVE HEARD ALREADY TODAY THAT THERE ARE BEACH PARKS AND MORE THAN -- WE HEARD ABOUT TODAY THE COUNTY AND THE CITIES ARE MAKING BEACH PARKS DOG PARKS ALL OVER THE PLACE. DOGS ARE TAKING OVER SIDEWALKS, SITTING IN COUNTY PARKS, STATE FORESTS, NEARLY EVERYWHERE. EVERYWHERE WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE BEACH? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I THINK WE SHOULD THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HUMANS. HOW ABOUT THE HUMANS THAT WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND HAVE A NICE, QUIET WALK? NO DOGS AROUND. THERE IS PLENTY OF DOGS AND IF YOU THINK ALL DOG OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE COME OUT AND LOOK AT OUR FRONT LAWN EVERY MORNING. WE SEND A MAINTENANCE MAN OUT TO CLEAN IT UP. FROM THE PEOPLE WALKING DOGS ALONG THE SIDEWALKS. IN ANY CASE, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SO-CALLED TRIAL PERIOD. NOW IT'S LIKE -- TO ME IT'S LIKE RINGING A BIG GONG. ONCE A TRIAL PERIOD STARTS IT WON'T BE UNRUNG. I THINK IT'LL BE IT, WE MAY BE WELL REGULATE, IT MAY BE A LOT OF THINGS BUT I WILL GUARANTEE YOU IT'S GOING TO BE HERE ONCE IT STARTS. I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER NOT STARTING IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU SIR.

JUDITH. WE JUST MET.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS YOU THIS MORNING.

OKAY. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

JUDITH, PO BOX 9248. I'M A HOUSE CALL VET.

OKAY. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT COUNCIL HAS BROUGHT FORWARD IN THE FIRST PLACE. THERE WAS A MENTION OF CITATIONS. THE CITATIONS DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR CONTAMINATION. THERE WAS ANOTHER ITEM BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE DOGS TO BE THERE. MY CONCERN WAS PARASITES. I KNOW -- THANK YOU FORGETTING BACK WITH ME. GOT THE REPORT THAT I SENT OUT ON THE STUDY. BASED ON THE DOG PARKS WHICH -- THE DOG PARKS ARE AREAS THAT THE TAXPAYERS HAVE PAID FOR AND THIS IS HOW THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE THEIR DOGS ARE ALREADY ABIDING -- IN AN AREA WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR THEM. THE DOGS CAN SHED PA PARASITES AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY OR NIGHT. AS FAR AS CLEANING UP AND PROVIDING BAGS -- THOSE ITEMS ALREADY PROVIDED AT THE DOG PARKS. THEY ARE NOT USED AT ALL TIMES. THERE IS AN ITEM ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF THE CITATION, 50-DOLLAR TICKET. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE PRICE OF A TRIP TO THE DOCTOR IN THE EVENT THAT A CHILD HAS TO BE TREATED FOR ONE OF THESE DISEASES. ALSO THERE WAS A MENTION OF ARE -- HOW MANY REPORTS ARE THERE ALREADY HOW MANY ARE BEING INFECTED AND I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER HOW MANY DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER IT A PROBLEM? THE BEACH IS OUR TREASURE. THERE WAS -- BY STAFF THERE WAS A MENTION THAT FECES BEING PICKED UP ALREADY IN SOME OF THESE AREA THAT ARE ESTABLISHED. I ASK IF I COULD BE GIVEN THOSE SAMPLES AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO RUN FECAL SAMES SAMPLES AND REPORT THAT. IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE THAT ARRANGEMENT?

YES. THE COUNTY MANAGER. YES. WE WILL WORK WITH THAT.

THANK YOU. THERE WAS A GOOD QUESTION FROM MEDICAL FIELD REGARDING URINE AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM IN FLORIDA RIGHT NOW. THAT'S -- THAT'S THE BACTERIA BUT IT'S IN OTHER STATES. ADDRESSING THE STUDIES, CONCERN ABOUT VISITORS COMING IN TO THE AREA. THIS COULD BE SOMETHING IS THAT COULD CONTAMINATE THE BEACH AS WELL. YOU MENTIONED A MENTAL ISSUE WITH PA PARASITES. IN MY REPORT ABOUT A PARASITES I DID TALK ABOUT FECES AND I -- I WILL TRY TO ADDRESS YOURS AND GET BACK TO YOU.

[INAUDIBLE]

YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ON THE MICROPHONE.

I HAVE A REPORT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE. THIS IS -- THIS IS A P IN RACCOONS. WE DON'T KNOW THIS WAS EVEN IN THE COUNTY. I AM THE FIRST TO REPORT IT THOUGH WHEN THE REPORT WENT OUT I FOUND I WASN'T THE FIRST TO SEE IT. DOGS CAN GET THIS. WE HAVE PROVEN BY THE DOG PARK STUDY THAT SOME DOGS AREN'T ON PREVENTIONS FOR IT. IF THEY ARE THAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING OTHER PARKING PARKING PARKING BEACH.

THIS IS NOT --.

NOT [INAUDIBLE].

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IT?

I'M GOOD. I HAVE SEEN WORMS.

THESE CAME FROM A RACCOON?

YES. THEY CAN BE FATAL AND DOGS CAN CARRY THIS.

YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

IMMIGRATESFUL FOR THE -- I'M GRATEFUL. THANK YOU.

NEVER A DULL MOMENT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. JUST NEVER A DULL MOMENT. DIANE CARNEY COULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD. WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

GOOD MORNING. DIANE CARNEY, 6717 [INAUDIBLE] IN AVON CONNECTICUT. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSAL TO ALLOW DOGS ON ALL OF THE COUNTY BEACHES. THERE ARE ALREADY TWO BEACHES THAT ALLOW DOGS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY DOG OWNERS WANT TO SPOIL MY GOOD TIMES AT THE BEACH BY CREATING A DOG PARK OF MY DESIGNATED AREA. I GO TO THE BEACH TO RELAX AND ENJOY THE OCEAN. I DO NOT CHOSE TO BE BOTHERED BY DOGS INVADING MYSPACE BY SNIFFING, FIGHTING, DEFAC -- GOING TO THE BATHROOM. IF I WANTED TO BE AROUND DOGS BOY GO TO THE BEACH THAT ALLOWS DOGS. I ALSO DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS BEING BROUGHT UP AGAIN. IT HAS BEEN VOTED DOWN MANY TIMES IN THE PAST BUT IT SEEMS THAT COUNCILMAN JOSH WAGNER WON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER. HE IS TRYING TO PUSH THIS ORDINANCE THROUGH DESPITE THE OVERWHELMING AND ONGOING PUBLIC OPPOSITION. THE BEACH IS FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY WITH THEIR FAMILIES. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE HARASSED BY DOGS AND THEIR OWNERS. THAT IS NOT A SITUATION THAT ATTRACTS TOURISTS WHICH IS WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN PROMOTING. ALLOWING DOGS ON ALL OUR BEACHES WOULD BE A BIG MISTAKE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

JAKE.

GOOD MORNING. 816 EAST EIGHTH AVENUE. GOOD MORNING TO THE COUNCIL. I MUST FIRST SAY THAT WHO LET THE DOGS OUT? WOOFWOOF. I JUST WANT TO LIGHTEN THE AIR A LITTLE BIT. WE ARE DOG LOVERS AND DOGS ARE OUR FAVORITE PEOPLE. DOGS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH ALL THE BEACHES. MY WIFE AND I WERE FREQUENT USERS OF THE DUNES DOG PARK AND WE WERE THERE DURING THE TIMES OF MAJOR STRIFE BETWEEN THE PEOPLE WHO -- ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ENJOYED IT WITH THEIR DOGS AND WITHOUT. I DO KNOW AND HAVE SEEN BECAUSE I'M ON THE BEACH ALMOST EVERY DAY, I HAVE SEEN DOGS CHASING BIRDS, I HAVE SEEN -- AS SOON AS THE LIFEGUARDS LEAVE PEOPLE COME WITH THEIR DOGS, THEY KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL BUT THEY RUN THEM BEFORE THE LIFEGUARDS GET THERE AND AFTER THEY LEAVE. THE LAWLESSNESS IS RAMPANT AND IT'S A SHAME TO SAY THAT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE RESIDENTS UNFORTUNATELY. I KNOW THERE ARE RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS LIKE MY WIFE AND I WERE. WE HAD A DOG. SHE WAS A PROTECTION DOG. WE KNEW THAT NO DOGS COULD APPROACH HER BUT WE ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS IN THE DUNES DOG PARK. I MUST ALSO SAY THAT IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE. I WILL STAND BEFORE YOU AS AN ENVIRONMENTIST STANDING UP FOR THE WATER, THE AIR, THE BEACHES AND THIS USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE. PEOPLE WILL NOT COMPLY. I HAVE SEEN LIFEGUARDS AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING THESE PEOPLE WITH DOGS THEY JUST WENT ON THEIR WAY. THEY DON'T ENFORCE THE LAW WHEN THEY SEE PEOPLE WITH DOGS THERE. SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE MESSAGE. I WILL CREED BACK THE BALANCE -- YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THANK YOU.

DEBORAH. I'M GOING TO -- YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND. LY JUST SAY HER HUSBAND. YOU'RE NEXT.

GOOD MORNING. I LIVE AT 3003 SOUTH ATLANTIC AVENUE. BEACH FRONT IN DAYTONA BEACH SHORES. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I LOVE DOGS BUT I DON'T WANT THEM ON THE BEACH. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO VOICE MY OBJECTIONS. MY FIRST ONE OF COURSE IS TO THE FECAL MATERIAL THAT EVEN AFTER YOU REMOVE IT LEAVES THE WORMS BEHIND. THIS CAN AFFECT THE CHILDREN, THE SUN BATHERS, THE PEOPLE AND -- ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WALKING BARE FOOT ON THE BEACH WHICH I AND MY FRIENDS DO EVERY DAY. I ALSO OBVIOUS TO THE DOGS DIGGING UP TURTLE NESTS, HARASSING THE BIRDS AND THE PEOPLE AND THE CHILDREN ON THE BEACH. I ALSO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU EVEN NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS. I MEAN ITS BEEN DECIDED BEFORE. WE ALREADY HAVE DOG PARKS. WE HAVE DOG BEACHES. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST TAKE YOUR DOGS TO THE DOG PARKS AND THE DOG BEACHES AND LEAVE THE PEOPLE BEACHES FOR THE PEOPLE? THAT'S ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND RICHARD. HER HUSBAND.

I'M HER HUSBAND.

THANK YOU.

SAME ADDRESS. COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN OVER THE MATTER OF DOGS ON THE BEACHES. AFTER I SAW THE PROPOSALS NOW. IT'S JUST COMPLETELY REINFORCES MY ENFORCEMENT ISSUE BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN ENFORCE THE LENGTH OF THE LEASH, THE COUNTY MANAGER HAD MENTIONED THAT THE DOG -- IF THE OFFICER DOESN'T SEE IT THEY CAN'T SITE FOR IT. THESE ARE CLEAN BEACHES, THE WORLD'S MOST FAMOUS BEACH. WE LOVE THE BEACH. THAT IS WHY WE RETIRED AND MOVED HERE. [INAUDIBLE] AND I SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE ON THE BEACH YEAR ROUND. WHEN I'M NOT WORKING, WALKING, BIKING OR FISHING ON THE BEACH I SIT AND WATCH THE PEOPLE. THEY SUN BATHE, SWIM, WALK, FAMILIES COME WITH THEIR CHILDREN. THEY PLAY IN THE SAND AND MAKE SAND CASTLES. THE BEACHES -- WE MOVED HERE IN 2005. WE BOUGHT A PLACE BEACH SIDE TO ENJOY THE BEACH AND WE LOVE THE BEACH. I OPPOSE ALLOWING DOGS ON THE BEACH BECAUSE AT THE PRESENT TIME AS ONE SAID IF YOU WALK ALONG SOUTH ATLANTIC AVENUE WITH THE DOGS, THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT DON'T PICK UP. THEY CRAP IN YOUR GRASS, DAILY AND THEY ARE NICE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS BUT THEY BRING THEIR DOGS OVER AND DO IT ON YOUR YARD. THESE ARE THE SAME LAW ABIDING PEOPLE THAT GO OUT ON THE BEACH, PUSH THEIR SAND AND A AND DON'T CLEAN UP AFTER THEIR DOGS. I LOVE DOGS BUT IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO POLICE. THE ONLY THING YOU CAN POLICE IS NO DOG. IF YOU SAY WE HAVE A NO DOG BEACH THEY CAN ENFORCE THAT. THIS OTHER STUFF BETWEEN THE HOURS, NUMBER, BREED, DO WE SEE IT, IT'LL BE IMPOSSIBLE. ARE YOU OPENING PANDORA'S BOX AND BASICALLY ITS SOMETHING THAT AS A CITIZEN OF THE COUNTY, AFFECTS MY HEALTH AND WELFARE. I DON'T -- I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THE GOOD, FINE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOG OWNERS BUT THEY DON'T BELONG ON THE BEACH. I SEE DOGS EVERY DAY AS I TOLD YOU WALKING AND -- IN FRONT OF OUR RESIDENT, CITIZENS WALK THEIR DOGS, NONE OF THEM CLEAN UP AFTER THEIR DOGS. THIS IS -- [INAUDIBLE] PUBLIC, BUSY AVENUE, TRAVELED BY POLICE CARS, BY PEOPLE UP AND DOWN, AGAIN, THESE PEOPLE DON'T CLEAN UP AFTER THEIR DOGS. THERE IS ALSO -- THAT'S WHERE THE DOGS GO AFTER THE BIKERS, JOGGERS, WALKERS AND ONCE THE DOG BITES YOU CAN CALL THE POLICE, THERE IS PEOPLE IN THEIR CAR AND GONE. THE DAY TRIPPERS FROM ORLANDO WHO COME ON THE WEEKEND. IT'S REALLY A MESS TO TRY AND ENFORCE THEM, THEY BRING THEIR PIT BULLS ALONG.

BASICALLY I JUST OPPOSE IT. I REQUEST THAT THE BOARD RECONSIDER THIS ORDINANCE AND NOT EVEN DO THE TEST. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. DEBORAH'S HUSBAND.

MARY.

HELLO. 3003 SOUTH ATLANTIC. UNIT 8C6. WE HAVE RETIRED DOWN HERE DAYTONA BEACH SHORES, BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTIFUL BEACHES, HEALTH, SAFETY, CLEANY LESS, I WALK EVERY DAY ON THE BEACH. WE ARE OUT THERE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AND EVEN WITH OUR BEACH PATROL, WE HAVE SEEN FECES ON THE BEACH AND IT CONCERNS ME HEALTH WISE AS FAR AS NOT CLEANING IT UP. MY GRANDCHILDREN COME AND THEY VISIT US AND THEY ARE ON THE BEACH ALL THE TIME WHEN HE ARE HERE. THEY DIG -- THEY BURY THEMSELVES IN THE SAND AND NOT EVEN SPEAKING OF THE FECES IT'S THE DOG URINE THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY TO GET RID OF THAT. THAT, EVEN -- AFTER ITS BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE. I ALSO HAVE TWO GRANDCHILDREN WHO ARE DEATHLY AFRAID OF DOGS. THEY SEE A DOG, EVEN IF THE DOG IS ON A LEASH THEY ARE CLIMBING UP OUR BODIES TO GET AWAY FROM THE DOG BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED OF THE DOG. IT'S -- ITS BEEN A PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE FOUND SAFETY AND FUN AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. AS FAR AS THE BEACH PATROL, THEY DO WHAT THEY CAN SOMETIMES. I HAVE ACTUALLY CALLED BEACH PATROL WHILE I HAVE BEEN WALKING ON THE BEACH TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN DOGS AND THEY SAY OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THEY TURN RIGHT AROUND AND THEY WILL GO THE OPPOSITE WAY OF WHERE I'M POINTING AS FAR AS THE DOG IS. I DON'T SEE HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL 50 MILES OF BEACH IN THIS AREA THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. IT REALLY CONCERNS ME AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE ARE HEALTH ISSUES, THERE ARE MEDICATION ISSUES, THERE ARE SAFETY ISSUES, I REALLY FEEL THERE ARE PLACES FOR DOGS AND THEY SHOULD STAY WHERE THEY BELONG. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. CARROL.

GOOD MORNING.

3003 SOUTH ATLANTIC AVENUE, DAYTONA BEACH SHORES, UNIT 4C6. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF US THIS MORNING. I THINK WE HAVE ALL LEARNED A LOT. I HAVE BEEN CHASED ON THAT BEACH. WE WALKED THE BEACH FOUR TO SIX MILES EVERY DAY AND WHEN YOU ARE CHASED THERE IS NO PLACE TO GO. THE BEACH PATROL -- THE BEACH PATROL -- I CAN SAY FOR ABOUT THE LAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT DOING THE ENFORCING OF THE LAW. THEY SEEM TO PICK AND CHOOSE. SO, YOU HAVE NO PLACE TO GO. LETTING THE ANIMALS ON THE BEACH, THE DOGS ON THE BEACH, IN MY OPINION IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. WE SHOULD NOT DO THIS. DOG OWNERS SEEM TO HAVE A SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT AND THEY DON'T CONSIDER THE RULES AND REGULAR LAYINGS OF THE BEACH. I GUESS THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY AND I DO HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER VOTING AGAINST THIS. THANK YOU.

MR. [INAUDIBLE], ARE YOU BACK YET? WE SAVED YOUR SPOT. YOU GOT MOVED IN TIME RIGHT?

OKAY.

HOPEFULLY.

HOPEFULLY.

MY NAME IS MIKE FADDIS. WE LIVE AT 4620 RIVERWALK VILLAGE COURT. WE HAVE LIVED THERE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. WE BOUGHT RECENTLY PRIOR TO THAT WE HAVE RENTED VARIOUS CONDOS FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. WE ARE VERY ACTIVE. WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING TO THE VARIOUS STATE PARKS, BEACHES, WE ARE AT -- THE PARK OVER -- AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. I FISH A LOT SO WE ARE AT THE PARK ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. I KNOW EVERY INCH OF BOTH BEACHES. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN MY OPINION, IRRESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS HAVE DESTROYED BOTH OF THEM. THERE ARE IS NOT ONE TIME THAT I HAVE BEEN TO THOSE BEACHES WHERE DOGS HAVE NOT BEEN RUNNING LOOSE. I HAVE NEVER GONE WHERE SOME DOG WASN'T RUNNING LOOSE. I HAD A VERY LONG CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH THE BEACH OFFICER. HE SAID -- I ASKED HIM WHAT DO I DO IF I SEE A VIOLATION? HE SAID YOU CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THEN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WILL CALL BEACH HEAD QUARTERS AND THEY WILL TRY TO LOCATE AN OFFICER FAIRLY CLOSE TO YOUR CONCERN AND IF HE IS NOT BUSY DOING MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THINGS THEY WILL SEND HIM DOWN. IF YOU ARE GOING TO ENACT THIS LAW IN MY OPINION YOU SHOULD JUST DO AWAY WITH ALL OF THE RULES BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S ENFORCEABLE. I DON'T THINK IT'S -- A BEACH OFFICER CAN BE SEEN COMING A MILE AWAY. I THINK THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LAW THAT CAN'T BE ENFORCED AND ALTERCATIONS ON THE BEACH BECAUSE I FOR ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE INCLINED TO SAY TO SOMEONE, YOUR DOG IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON A LEASH. AND I HAVE DONE IT. AND I WON'T REPEAT WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME. BUT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY -- YOU MAY THINK IT'S A REAL STRETCH BUT UNFORTUNATELY ITS NOT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD TIME TO READ THE NEW YORK TIMES THIS MORNING. BUT THIS SHOOTING IN THE THEATER IS ON THE FRONT PAGES. I CAN SEE THAT HAPPENING ON FLORIDA BEACHES IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

RICK GRAY. I GOT IT RIGHT THAT TIME.

GOT IT RIGHT.

SORRY.

MY NAME IS RICK GRAY. 4670 [INAUDIBLE] I ALSO AM VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO EVEN BEGINNING THIS TEST PERIOD. I ALSO BELIEVE -- I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MOST OF THE DOG OWNERS ARE VERY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE.

THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE ENTITIESER ENFORCEMENT ISSUES BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PILOTS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING HAPPEN TO THE BEAUTIFUL PRICE TEEN BEACHES IN THE COUNTY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH PHORIA TIME.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM. OKAY. YEAH, THE -- THE INK --.

YOU GOT AN E-MAIL FROM ME YESTERDAY.

YES.

OKAY. I LIVE AT 1051 OCEAN SHORE BOULEVARD. I -- I THANK JOSH FOR RETURNING YESTERDAY AN E-MAIL RESPONSE TO ME. I APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYBODY HERE. I WANT TO REPEAT MY SAME SENTIMENTS, I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK THE DOCTOR FOR TEMPERATURING US AND I THINK -- FOR TELLING US AND I THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE ABILITY TO SHOW US EXACTLY WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND THE REASON FOR THE NONREPORTING OF INCIDENTS AND THINGS, I WILL TELL YOU THIS RIGHT NOW, THERE HAVE BEEN INCIDENTS WHERE THERE IS A NO DOG ALLOWED. THE REASON FOR IT IS THAT PEOPLE LEAVE. THEY JUST TAKE OFF AND THEY LEAVE. THERE IS NOTHING TO BE SAID. WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING TO A PERSON LIKE I'M SORRY THERE IS DOGS AREN'T ALLOWED THEY GO MY DOG READ. ANOTHER ONE SAID, WELL -- ANOTHER SAID TO ME -- WELL THEY ARE ALLOWED NOW, DIDN'T YOU READ? I THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE THAT ISSUE IS GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY CLEARED UP AND THAT PEOPLE REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED. HE AND I TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AND HE WAS VERY DILIGENT WITH THE SCOOP AND THEN HIS DOG URINATED WHERE I PUT MY PALE DAWN. DOWN.I CAME HERE AND WANTED TWO THINGS FIRST, ONE WAS NO DRIVING ON THE BEACH. I HAD THREE YOUNG SONS, NUMBER TWO WAS NO DOGS. I NOW HAVE GRANDCHILDREN ON TOP OF THE THREE SONS. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I PAID MORE TO BE WHERE I AM, I PAID FOR THE PRISTINE BEACH AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY THAT PROPERTY RIGHT THAT I PURCHASED IN THAT AREA FOR THAT. YOU JUST MENTIONED TEN TWO ONE THAT PEOPLE ARE AGAINST THIS. SO WHY IS IT EVEN AN ISSUE? HOW CAN YOU SIT AS A COUNCIL AND SAY WELL, TEN TO ONE, PEOPLE ARE AGAINST THIS, WHERE IS THE ISSUE? I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE HERE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. IF THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING TO YOU, TEN TO ONE, WE DON'T AGREE WITH THIS, WHY? I DON'T GET IT. SO, I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WHOLE THING CAME THROUGH. I DO KNOW THAT WHEN I TRY TO PASS SOMETHING OR DO SOMETHING, I DO RESEARCH IT AHEAD OF TIME SO I'M NOT CAUGHT OFF GUARD. I THINK THAT IT'S A WONDERFUL THING THAT THE DOCTOR TOOK HER TIME TO COME IN HERE AND SHARE HER KNOWLEDGE WITH US. I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE CAME IN BECAUSE THEY ARE PASSIONATE ACT THE BEAUTY OF THE BEACH. I URGE YOU BEFORE YOU GO ONTO EVEN THINK ABOUT THIS, I URGE YOU TO REALLY DO AN EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON WHY THIS HAS NEVER BEEN PASSED BEFORE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

KATHY -- AM I EVEN CLOSE?

ADDRESS.

4513 SOUTH ATLANTIC NEVER IN NEW SMYRNA BEACH. I SEEM TO BE VERY OUT NUMBERED HERE TODAY. I AM FOR ALLOWING DOGS ON THE BEACH. I WALK EVERY DAY WITH MY DOG BUT NOT ON THE BEACH. IF I'M GOING WALKING I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE MY DOG WITH ME. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE SOUTHEND OF THE BEACH. I HAVE TO DRIVE SEVEN MILES TO THE DOG PARK HERE. I THINK LARGELY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PICKING UP AFTER THEMSELVES ON THE SIDEWALKS ARE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE CONDOS, THEY DON'T LIVE HERE ALL OF THE TIME. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR THE COMMUNITY. THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT LEAVE THE TRASH, THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SHOOT FIREWORKS AND LEAVE THEM ALL OVER THE BEACH. I'M -- I AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE HEAVY, HEAVY FINES INVOLVED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT LEASHING THEIR DOGS. I THINK THE EIGHT FOOT LEASH WOULD RESOLVE A LOT OF ISSUES PERTAINING ISSUES PEACEFUL ISSUE WITH CHASING DOGS, COMING UP TO PEOPLE. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE HEAVY FINES AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE STARTED AND AS WELL MAYBE IN THE DOG PARKS THAT WE HAVE NOW. IF PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES THAT THEY SHOULD BE FINED SO THAT PEOPLE WITH DOGS, THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE OWNERS, CAN ENJOY THE BEACH WITH THEIR DOG. I ALSO -- I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU KNOW BUT IT'S A COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT EVERY DOG SHOULD BE LICENSED. THERE IS A FEE FOR THAT. WITH THE LICENSING IS THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A RABIES VACCINE. THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY DOG IN THE COUNTY UNLESS IT'S COMING FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUT OF THE AREA THAT AREN'T PROBABLY VACCINATED. THERE IS ALL THESE WORMS AND THINGS LIKE THIS IN ALL OF THE DIRT, ALL THE LITTLE KIDS PLAY IN THE DIRT NOT JUST ON THE BEACH BUT ANYWHERE. THEYTHE CHILDREN PEE ON THE BEACH, KIDS DO IT, THEY HAVE DIRTY DIAPERS, WHAT ABOUT THAT? LET'S MAKE A BEACH AREA JUST FOR DOGS AND NOT PEOPLE. WHAT ABOUT DOWN IN THE SOUTHEND OF THE BEACH? SO I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT YOU ARE PUTTING IN PLACE BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS MORE TO IT THAN JUST SAYING DOGS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED PERIOD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

KAREN CLARK.

GOOD AFTERNOON. LONG TIME, NO SEE.

I'M GOING TO GET [INAUDIBLE].

WHAT?

GET MY HIP SOON.

CONGRATULATIONS.

BETTER WATCH OUT. IT'S KAREN CLARK. 1855 GRAND AVENUE. WELL ON MONDAY NIGHT WE WERE AT A CIVIC MEETING AND MR. PATTERSON WAS THERE AND HE SUGGESTED THAT -- I DIDN'T BRING 30 PEOPLE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ALL DAY. I DO HAVE NAMES IF YOU WANT AND WE ALL JUST ABOUT THINK THE SAME. ONE OF THE MAIN TOPICS WAS FECES AND WASTE ON THE BEACH. WELL, HOW MANY TIMES IN TWO MINUTES DOES A SEA GULL OR ANY OTHER BIRD LEAVE THEIR WASTE ON THE BEACH? SO IF PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING THERE MAY BE DOG WASTE WHICH YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FROM A F ERA L DOG OR A RACCOON OR OTHER NIGHTTIME ANIMALS THAT DO GO AROUND THE BEACH SO YOU -- I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU REGULATE THAT. HOW MUCH DISEASE IS IN BIRD FECES? WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT LAWS, BIRD FECES ALONE HAS A LOT OF THINGS BUT YOU LET YOUR KIDS PLAY IN THE DIRT, IN THE SAND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, BEFORE I WOULD WORRY ABOUT SOME DOG POOP HERE AND THERE I WOULD WORRY ABOUT THE BIRD STUFF THERE IS ALREADY LAWS ON THE BOOKS AS FAR AS LEAVING YOUR DOG UNATTENDED IN A VEHICLE, HEAVY FINES AND YOU CAN GO TO COURT WITH THAT. NEW SMYRNA IS 73 ACRES ACCORDING TO THE STAFF, LIGHTHOUSE IS 52 WHAT ABOUT THE AUTHORITY END? GOING UP ON THE NORTH END OF THE BEACH. I WAS LISTENING TO PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO RUN AROUND -- DRIVE QUITE A DISTANCE TO THOSE PARKS. BICENTENNIAAL PARK, MAYBE SOMETHING. HAVING DOGS ON THE LEASH. THOSE RETRACTIBLE LEASHES DON'T ALWAYS WORK. THE EIGHT FOOT LEASH IS TWO FEET LONGER THAN THE STATE LAW. ALSO YOU HAVE STATE LAW ON SHOTS. SO, THAT IS ANOTHER THING YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO. LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. WHAT WAS IT? ONE MORE THING. NOBODY OWNS THE BEACH HERE. YOU HAVE BEACH FRONT PROPERTY, SO JUST BECAUSE THERE IS BEACH IN FRONT OF YOU DON'T OWN IT. YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE DO WANT TO WALK WITH THEIR DOGS, IT'S A HEALTHY THING. ONE THING THAT COULD HAPPEN, YOU COULD HAVE BLACKOUT DATES ON THE GENERAL POPULATED BEACHES BUT WHEN THE PEOPLE COME IF FOR LIKE THE DAYTONA 500 GIVE OUT THAT INFORMATION, HERE IS DOG FRIENDLY PARKS. ON THE BEACH. SO THAT YOU WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM GOING THERE. IF YOU DO ALLOW WALKING ON THE BEACH WITH THE DOGS WHICH IS A GOOD, HEALTHY THING, THE CITIESMENT YOU WILL GET FROM A -- ADVERTISEMENT THAT YOU WILL GET FROM ALL THE TRAVEL COMPANIES ALL OVER ITS WORLD. THEY WILL LET YOU KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE ALLOWED. SO YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE OF MAKING A MARK PROVIDED THAT YOU HAVE SIMPLE LAW THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF. IA LOT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

MIGUEL. EL HASSAN. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT IS GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR -- OKAY. GO HEAD AND GRAB ONE OF THE YELLOW SLIPS AND I WILL RESERVE THREE MINUTES FOR YOU MA'AM. FIRST MR. HASSAN. YOU HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] 2364, DAYTONA BEACH. GOOD MORNING. CHAIR, FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS AND STAFF. I'M IN A UNIQUE POSITION AS I'M THE POINT PERSON FOR THE LARGEST STATE ENTRY POINT FOR ALL AN MILLION MET -- ANIMAL METRICS. I SPENT MY YOUTH WORKING AS A MEMBER OF PUBLIC SAFETY COMMAND STAFF AND I HAVE A FIRM CONSULTING CITIES AND FOREIGN NATIONS ON ANIMAL WELFARE PLANS. WITHOUT A DOUBT THE HUMANE SOCIETY AND IT'S BASE OF 60,000 SUPPORT ANYTHING WITH A POSITIVE IMPACT. I RECEIVED TEXTS TODAY AND SAID I WILL BE THERE. THE ISSUE BEFORE TODAY HAS A LOT OF PUBLIC OPINION BUT I'M IN THE POSITION TO JUST GIVE YOU THE FACTS. FIRST I WANT TO SUBMIT AS A FORMER MEMBER OF PUBLIC SAFETY IS THAT INCREASING OPTIONS WOULD IMMEDIATELY INCREASE YOUR EXPOSURE TO BITES. TO MUCH OF THE CHAGRIN OF STEAM CLEANING COMPANIES I WOULD REGRET TO INFORM YOU THAT 60% PET OWNERS ALREADY TAKE THEIR PETS OUT. THEY TAKE THEM TO PATHS, DOG PARKS, OUT TO PUBLIC ROADS. PLACES THAT HAVE VERY SIMILAR EXPOSURE TO A BEACH. IN REGARDS TO WILDLIFE I SUBMIT THAT ONE OF THE FEW SOURCES I COULD FIND REGARDING A CONTROLLED STUDY ON THE IMPACTS ON DOGS ON WILDLIFE I FOUND FROM ALBERTA. THEY HIRED A FIRM -- THAT REVIEWED 56 AREAS, HALF OF WHICH ALLOWED DOGS OFF LEASH, HALF DID NOT. THEY FOUND THAT WHETHER THE PRESENCE OF DOGS EXISTED OR NOT HAD NO IMPACT ON THE DIVERSITY OR ABUNDANCE OF THOSE ANIMALS. IN FACT OF THE 6,000 DOGS THAT VISITED IN THE TIMES SURVEYED ONLY 19 WERE SEEN CHASING BIRDS. THAT'S LESS THAN 1 1 THIRD OF 1%. NO BIRDS WERE EVER HURT IN THE MAKING OF THAT STUDY. IN REGARDS TO PARASITES AS A VISITOR OF MIAMI BEACH I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE INCIDENT WAS BLAMED ON F ERA L CATS AND BY THE LOGIC THAT I LEARNED WATCHING TOM AND JERRY I WOULD SAY THIS IS A DECISION IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IF A LOT OF THOSE ARE TRACED TO CATS. FURTHER, WORMS MOST COMMON IN PUPPIES. IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE WIDESPREAD POTENTIAL FOR INTEXT. THE WHO HAS DONE A STUDY ON DOG PARASITES ON SAND AND RULED OUT THE SETTING AS A CONCERN. IN REGARDS REGARDS REGARDS REGARDS TO RACCOON WORM IT'S INFECTED 25 PEOPLE SINCE IS IT WAS FOUND NATIONWIDE. MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED BY LAUGHTER. CAREFUL. AS SUCH I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU REQUIRE A REVIEW BOARD OF ANY RESEARCH THAT'S SUBMITTED IN FURTHER INSTANCES. IN REGARDS TO RA ABIES WE HAVE MADE GREAT STRIDES TODAY AND EVEN IN EXISTING DOG PARKS -- VENDING MACHINES KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN RABIES. VERY WELL. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR.

ALL RIGHT. ONE MORE. ALL RIGHT. JESSICA. THEN SHEILA YOU WILL BE AFTER HER. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THEN THAT WILL -- AFTER THAT -- IF I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE WE WILL CLOSE OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AFTER HER. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

JESSICA [INAUDIBLE]. GOOD MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON NOW. I WANT TO SAY I'M A LIFETIME RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY. MY FATHER WAS ON THE BEACH PATROL FOR MANY YEARS. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN FOR HEALTH, I HAVE FAMILY MYSELF. I DO NOT WANT MY DAUGHTER PICKING UP FECES BUT I THINK IT WORKS IN OVER 470 OTHER -- 475 REVIEWS OF POSITIVES. THERE ARE A LIST OF PROBABLY 60 THAT WORKS. COUNTIES AND BEACHES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I THINK WE ARE LIMITING OURSELVES. WE NEED TO BE MORE OPEN MINDED. I APPRECIATE JOSH PUSHING THE ISSUE. I THINK THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT MAY NOT BE HERE TODAY BUT STILL THINK THAT ITS SOMETHING THAT CAN WORK. I THINK THE IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE ARE GREAT. I THINK YOU SHOULD LIMIT SOME OF THE THINGS, I AGREE ONE PERSON ALWAYS RUINS IT FOR SOMEONE ELSE. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE WHEN MAKING THE DECISION. IT DOES WORK OBVIOUSLY. I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHY IT WORKS IN ALL THESE OTHER COUNTIES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MR. RENFROE.

AFTER THAT, UNLESS SOMEONE JUMPS UP AND DOWN WE WILL CLOSE THIS PARTICIPATION PART. YOUR NAME, ADDRESS.

1404 NORTH ATLANTIC AVENUE, DAYTONA BEACH. WITH WE HAVE BEEN PERMANENT RESIDENTS HERE ON THE OCEANFRONT FOR A LITTLE OVER ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. BEFORE THAT WE CAME HERE PREVIOUSLY FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. SO, I'M ON THE BEACH EVERY DAY. IT'S UNBELIEVABLE TO ME THAT PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE THE TRASH AND THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE PICKED UP BY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA. YOU KNOW, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE DOG WASTE -- WHEN PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS THEY ALL CARRY THESE BAGS WITH THEM AND THEY DISPOSE OF THEM IN THE WASTE CAN AFTER TIMES HERE AT DAYTONA POPE WHEN IT'S A HEAVYLY POPULATED TIME THE THINGS YOU PICK UP ON THE BEACH ARE JUST UNBELIEVABLE. YOU KNOW IT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE PEEING IN THE OCEAN, ON THE SAND, THE BABIES, WHEN THERE ARE POOLS WHEN THE SURF COMES IN AND WASHES OUT AREAS YOU HAVE ALL THE LITTLE CHILDREN PLAYING IN THOSE AREAS. I AGREE ABOUT THE BIRDS, I LOVE BIRDS BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF WASTE WITH THE BIRDS. THEN THERE IS A LOT OF F ERA L CATS. THERE IS ALL KINDS OF ISSUES WITH THE WASTE. THERE IS A LOT OF INTIMATE THINGS THAT GO ON AT THE BEACH. THERE IS EVIDENCE OF THAT ALWAYS. I JUST -- I'M JUST AMAZED THAT THIS WOULD BE SUCH A CONCERN. WE HAVE A BEACH PATROL THAT COMES BY REGULARLY. THEY DO STOP AND THEY DO -- THEY DO -- IF THERE IS ANY LAW THAT ARE BEING BROKEN THEY ARE QUICK TO BE THERE AND TO TAKE PEOPLE IN CONTROL IF THEY NEED TOO. LET'S SEE, ABOUT THE -- YOU KNOW THE TOURISTS. I THINK THAT IS SO OBVIOUS HOW IMPORTANT PEOPLE'S PETS ARE TO THEM. THEY ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MOTELS TO BRING THEIR DOGS WITH THEM, THEY WANT TO -- THEY WANT TO GET A PLANE TICKET FOR THEIR DOGS. IT'S -- I'M SURPRISED THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT MORE AWARE OF THAT. AS FAR AS THE FASHION INDUSTRY GOES, YOU KNOW THERE IS -- THERE IS -- IT'S A BIG MONEY MAKER AND WE ARE ALWAYS WANTING TO ENCOURAGE THE TOURISTS. SO, I JUST -- I THINK IT'S A BIG MISTAKE NOT TO ALLOW A TRIAL PERIOD AT LEAST. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM PUBLIC. GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, THREE TIMES, OKAY WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION. IF I MAY RETAIN THE FLOOR FOR A MOMENT BEFORE I GIVE IT TO YOU. EVERYBODY ELSE HAS COMMENTED ON THIS. YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEAR THAT I HAVE BEEN HERE I FIGURED THAT WE -- WE NEED TO BE PATIENT UP HERE WE NEED TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND ALSO WISDOM. WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE? I THINK WE BEST DESCRIBED IT EARLIER. THIS IS OUR LEGAL PROCESS. THIS IS THE PROCESS OF ORDINANCE. IT COMES BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN A GENERAL QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU THINK? LET'S BRING IT FORWARD. THEN WE BRING IT FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT WORKS. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE OF WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH DOGS ON THE BEACH. AS FAR AS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO -- WHO ARE PRESENT HERE TODAY I'M SURE THAT IF THIS PROCESS WENT THROUGH, WHICH IT HAS NOT YET, BUT IF THIS DOES BECOME AN ORDINANCE I'M SISTER THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO WORK OUT AN ARRANGEMENT WHERE WE CAN GET THIS APPROPRIATELY POLICED UP. ALL DAY LONG I HAVE HEARD DOGS ON THE BEACH. THERE ARE 53 MILES OF BEACH. YOU ARE CORRECT. THAT IS A LOT TO CONTROL. HAVING BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. 53 MILES SOMETIMES TAKES YOU ALL NIGHT LONG. I HAVE RIDDEN WITH OUR BEACH PATROL OFFICERS AND IT TOOK ME ALL DAY TO GO THE LENGTH OF THE WEAPON. YOU -- OF THE BEACH. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOUR COUNTY MANAGER AND STAFF IS VERSES TAKING ALL 53 MILES OF THIS BEACH, WHY NOT USE A LITTLE WISDOM. LET'S FIND THE SECTIONS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEIR DOG ON THE BEACH. WE HAVE A SECTION DOWN THERE THAT'S ALREADY A DOG BEACH ON TWO SIDES OF THE INLET. MAYBE THOSE CITIZENS AROUND IN THAT AREA. MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK TO THEM AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THE STORY OF SOLOMON, BABY, HE WAS GOING TO SPLIT THE BABE, MAYBE WE NEED TO SPLIT THIS BABY. MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE THE BEACH AND SET FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND I'M JUST GIVING -- AN EXAMPLE OR SUGGESTION, MAYBE FROM THE INLET TO THE FIRST ENTRANCE ON OFF THE BEACH. THAT MAY BE A GLOAD PLACE GOOD PLACE TO DO THE TRIAL PERIOD FOR 90 DAYS. INSTEAD OF GOING ALL 53 MILES LET'S MAKE IT A LITTLE SMALLER AREA. ALSO WORKS OUT WELL FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN POST A COP THERE AND 23 IF THERE IS A PROBLEM HE ONLY HASO HAS TO DRIVE A COUPLE HUNDRED YARDS, WE CAN CALL IT THE PUPPY PATROL. THAT GUY COULD JUST SIT THERE ALL DAY AND JUST PATROL BACK AND FORTH. HE KNOWS THE ORDINANCE, THE RULE. I'M JUST MAKING A SUGGESTION. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF POINTS I NOTICED FROM OUR CITIZENS. I -- I GOT TWO KNUCKLE HEADS MYSELF. I SOMETIMES LIKE TO THROW THEM ON THE ROPE AND GO DOWN THE ROAD WHEN I GO ON VACATION. YES. I'M STILL TALKING ACT THE TALKING ABOUT THE DOGS. MY KIDS ARE GROWN AND GONE. THOSE KNUCKLE HEADS ARE OUT OF HERE. I GOT THE FOUR LEGGED ONES. YOU KNOW -- WHEN WE GO ON VACATION THEY ARE IN THE CAR. MATTER OF FACT WHEN I GO TO THE GROCERY STORE THEY ARE IN THE CAR. THEY ARE ALWAYS WITH ME EXCEPT WHEN I'M HERE BUT I'M TRYING TO CHANGE THAT. CAN I BRING MY DOG? TO WORK ONE DAY. OKAY. SO, ANYWAY, MY DOGS WILL ALWAYS GO WHERE I GO. THEY ALWAYS HAVE. SO, YOU KNOW WHEN WE GO ON VACATION THEY ARE IN THE CAR, ON THE LEASH BUT MAYBE I'M THE RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER. I DON'T GO TO THE BEACH BECAUSE I CAN'T TAKE MY DOG. YOU KNOW, THEY ARE VERY WELL MANNERED. I HAVE THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE AND IT'S FENCED AND THEY DO THEIR THING. LET'S NOT TAKE 53 MILES, LET'S TAKE ANOTHER THOUSAND FEET EITHER DIRECTION. THAT IS SOMETHING LUE HAVE TO WORK OUT. MR. WAGNER, WITH THAT I YIELD TO YOU.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE GREAT COMMENTS AS FAR AS FROM THE PUBLIC. I'M OKAY WITH SPECIFIC AREAS. VERY NO PROBLEM. MY CONCERN IS IF YOU MAKE IT TO SMALL IT'S NOT A GOOD TEST AREA. THAT'S -- I THINK HOW I WOULD SEE IT IF -- IN MY HEAD, IS YOU WOULD DO A TEST AREA, THE BIGGER THE BETTER FOR THE TEST AND THAT AREA WOULD DEFINE WILL IT MAKE SENSE, DOESN'T, THAT'S THE TEST -- THAT IS WHAT AREAS MAKE SENSE. FOR FINDING A LOT MORE WASTE IN A NONDRIVING AREA BUT AN EASIER TIME IN THE DRIVING AREA, WE WOULD GO OKAY, THIS MAKES SENSE HERE. THAT IS KIND OF HOW I VIEW THE PILOT PROGRAM. JUST TO FIGURE OUT MAYBE IT WORKS THE WHOLE BEACH, MAYBE IT DOESN'T WORK ON SOME, BUT I THINK IF WE HAD HELP. I APPRECIATED THE DOCTOR'S COMMENTS AND MIGUEL AS FAR AS THE SCIENCE ASPECT. ALSO, IN THE OTHER -- THE OTHER ISSUES WITH IT AS WELL. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY ENGAGED ON HOW IT'LL WORK. HOW DO WE DEFINE SUCCESS. IF SOMEONE GETS BIT DOES IT MEAN THEY FAILED? WHEN YOU RUN THE TEST, I THINK THE BIGGER AREA THE BETTER BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPECIFIC TO AREAS, I THINK THE IMPORTANT PART IS EDUCATION. I CAN PROBABLY ASK EVERYBODY DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAY YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO WATER YOUR LAWN FOR WATER? OKAY. YOU GUYS ALL SAYING YES. YOU ARE THROWING ME OFF. I WILL ASK THEM. THE POINT IS YOU HAVE DAYS. IT'S EASIER TO SAY YOU CAN BRING A DOG TO THE NONDRIVING BEACH. IT'S EASIER TO SAY YOU DID BRING A DOG TO THE DRIVING BEACH. IT'S A DEFINED AREA. THAT -- IF YOU ARE GOING TO DEFINE THE AREA AND USE THAT APPROACH IT'S EASIER TO EDUCATE PEOPLE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I DID THINK OF ONE THING WAS INTERESTING AND I'M -- I WROTE DOWN ADDRESSES FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY. I'M YOUR NEIGHBOR ONE OF THEM. YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHERE I LIVE. EVERYBODY THAT WAS AGAINST IT I THINK OTHER THAN ONE ALL LIVE ON A OR B SIDE. THAT'S CONSISTENT. THAT SPOKE TODAY. IT'S CONSISTENT ANY TIME THE FIVE-YEARS I HAVE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL WHEN THERE IS AN ISSUE THERE DOES COME INTO A PROPERTY RIGHT AND I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED BY ONE. IT IS, I THINK IT'S -- TRADITIONAL PEOPLE ARE USED TO THAT THEY ARE THERE THE MOST, THEY HAVE THAT BUT IT COME ITSELF TO THAT ISSUE OF PROPERTY RIGHTS AND IT'S A COUNTY BEACH. THERE IS A BALANCE. YOU ARE THERE MORE. AS FAR AS SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS, YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T COMPLY. THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME OF WHAT I HAVE NOTICED OF MY LIFE. BEING AROUND AT THE BEACH. PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING -- THAT BREAKING THE LAW AT NIGHT. THESE ARE PROBABLY GOOD PEOPLE AND PROBABLY -- SOME JUST DON'T LIKE THE RULE IN THEIR HEAD AND THEY HAVE IT FIGURED OUT WHERE THEY DON'T -- YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME. THEY DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM. THEY -- MAYBE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT AREN'T CLEANING UP. THOSE SAME PEOPLE WILL BE THE SAME PEOPLE NAH WILL BREAK THE LAW IN THE DAY. THAT IS JUST REALITY. IN THEIR HEAD IT'S JUST HOW IT IS. THE ONLY PEOPLE REALLY RESTRICTING RIGHT NOW ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WILL DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. BECAUSE THE ONES THAT DON'T CARE ARE THE SAME ONE THAT GO AT NIGHT. IT'S WHY NOT HAVE IT AND TRY TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO HOPEFULLY FOLLOW IT. JUST FOR -- OBVIOUSLY THE THREE MONTH PERIOD OR LESS. THE LAST THING AND I THINK ITS SOMETHING FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, THIS IS BASED ON THE COMMENTS I HEARD. WHERE KIDS DIGGING IN THE SAND WITH WASTE. THERE IS AN INDICATION ON THE BEACH THAT IS PRETTY EASY AS FAR AS AN AREA TO BE GOOD FOR THE TEST FOR BEACH PATROL. ONLY ALLOW THEM TO HAVE -- WALK THEIR DOGS BECAUSE -- THE VIEW OF THIS IS A WALKING ORDINANCE. YOU AREN'T ALLOWING PEOPLE TO HOOK THE ANIMAL TO A CART OR ANYTHING, IS THIS VERY MANY ONLY BE ABLE TO WALK THEM TO THE EAST OF THE CONSERVATION ZONE. THE REASON I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AND IT WOULD MAKE SENSE -- THE CONSERVATION RUNS NORTH SOUTH SO EAST WOULD BE AT THE BEACH BECAUSE THEY AREN'T WALKING IN THE SOFT SAND. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. THE REASON THAT IT'S CLOSE TO THE WATER AND I HEARD THAT, I APPRECIATE IT, YOU KNOW THERE IS A THING CALLED MOTHER NATURE THAT IS HELPFUL IF SOMEONE DOES VIOLATE THE LAW. IT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE BACTERIA COUNT. YOU CAN RUN ALL SORTS OF TESTS. IF YOU GO EAST OF THE CONSERVATION ZONE, I THINK IT'S -- AS FAR AS GIVING THE EDUCATION OUT. I THINK IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE. YOU KNOW THE GOOD THING IS IF SOMEONE IS ON THAT INSIDE THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT WALKING -- IT WOULD GIVE -- BEACH PATROL OR BEACH SAFETY THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THEM AND SAY ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SIDE. THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT IS THAT'S THE AREA THAT SOMEONE WOULD COVER THE WASTE WITH SAND. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT AS MUCH AS THE HARD PACKED SAND THAT A LOT OF YOU SAID YOU WALK ON THE BEACH. YOU CAN WALK A FAR DISTANCE RATHER THAN -- THE MARINE LAND WHERE YOU CAN'T WALK TEN FEET. THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY LOVES IT BECAUSE YOU CAN WALK ON IT. THERE IS A REASON IT WAS THE FIRST AIRPORT IS PLANES COULD LAND ON IT. IT WAS A RACETRACK. I THINK IF YOU ADDED THAT IN, I THINK THAT COULD CHANGE THINGS. IN A BETTER WAY. JUST ANOTHER THING. I THINK YOU COULD ADD TO TRY TO MAKE A BETTER TEST PROGRAM. LIKE I SAID I SUPPORT TRYING TO FIND A WAY THAT BUILDS IN SOME CONSENSUS TO BUY IN FROM THE COMMUNITY. I THINK TODAY THERE ARE SMART PHONES, I THINK PEOPLE IF YOU DO SEE SOMETHING -- I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD RUN UP IN SOMEONE'S FACE BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO HAVE EVIDENCE OF PEOPLE DOING BAD THINGS. I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO FIND THEM. IT'S JUST -- YOU KNOW A TWO OR THREE MONTH PERIOD AND I WANT TO RE-- I'M NOT A GUARANTEED VOTE TO DO THIS LONG TERM. IN THREE MONTHS -- THIS WOULD EXPIRE, RIGHT? IT WOULD EXPIRE. I KNOW SOMEONE SAID ONCE AUGITE THE GONG IT DOESN'T STOP. IT DOES STOP. IT WOULD HAVE TO LEGALLY STOP. IT WOULD TAKE THE COUNCIL TO COME BACK, ANALYZE THE TEST TO MAKE A DECISION PUBLICLY. WE WOULD COME BACK IN PUBLICLY AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION IF WE WOULD DO IT LONG TERM. MY GUESS IS TWEAKS TO IT EITHER WAY. THAT IS JUST A GUESS. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD GO. SO THAT'S IT IN A NUT SHELL. YOU KNOW I HAVE PUT IT FORWARD. AS FAR AS DIRECTION IS CONCERNED. YEAH, I WOULD CHANGE MY FIRST DIRECTION TO ADD IN THE STAFF'S OPINION OR STAFF'S CONEASTERNS. CONCERNS.THEY ARE ALL VERY GOOD ADDITIONS TO IT AS FAR AS THE SPECIFICS. IF WE WANT TO DECIDE ON -- I WILL ASK DAN, IF WE WANT TO RESTRICT THE AREA COULD YOU PUT FORWARD AN ORDINANCE AND ADVERTISE IT WITH JOHAN NO RESTRICTION -- AND WHEN WE COME BACK, IF WE DECIDE ON A SPECIFIC AREA IS THAT TO MUCH OF A CHANGE TO WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT? THE WAY IS WORKS, YOU CAN ADVERTISE AN AMENDMENT AND -- ADVERTISE THE ORDINANCE, IF YOU MAKE AMENDMENTS, IF 2 DOESN'T GO TO A CERTAIN LEVEL YOU DON'T HAVE TO READVERTISE. IS THAT ONE OF THOSE ONES? WOULD WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC COUNCIL?

I THINK IT WOULD MEET THE TEST FOR ADVERTISING. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ON BOUNDARIES NORTH AND SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST AS YOU DESCRIBED IF YOU ARE ABLE TO GIVE THOSE TO US TODAY.

YEAH. THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL AS WELL IF YOU THINK THAT THE CONSERVATION ZONE. IF IT'S BETTER -- OBVIOUSLY THAT BEING SAID THEY WILL HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THE CONSERVATION ZONE TO GET TO THE WALKING AREA. YOU KNOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. EITHER THEY HAVE TO TAKE A PATH OR WOULD BECOMING OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING WAY TO WRITE IT AND I KNOW THAT ALREADY. THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE ARGUMENTS, GOOD LEGAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST IT. I'M OKAY WITH JUST STAFF BUT THAT'S MY POSITION.

SO I GUESS OUR NEXT THING IS THAT WE NEED TO MOVE THIS THING FORWARD OR NOT. THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO US. OUR DISCUSSIONS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD OR --.

I SECOND THE MOTION, COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. LET ME JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD I'M A DOG LOVER I HAVE TWO, RESCUES. I'M THINKING -- I'M RETHINKING MY ORIGINAL INTENT. THIS BECOMES VERY COMPLEX. FOR ME, WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT WE HAD DOG PARKS ON EACH END OF THE INLET, THAT CHANGED THE DYNAMICS FOR ME. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR DOGS TO BE ON THE BEACH. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE DISTRICT FOREMEMBER WOULD BE BUT I WOULD SAY THOSE DOG BEACHES AND A SECTION OF THE NORTH PART OF THE BEACH WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, WOULD WORK FOR ME. I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF WE WERE -- THE PARK PIECE -- IF WE WERE TO ADD DOGS ON THE BEACH THERE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD COMPROMISE. I APPRECIATE THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT -- THAT KIND OF EXPIRES AT THE END OF THE TEST PERIOD. THE PROBLEM IS ONE -- ONCE WE STARTED IT'S NOT THAT EASY TO JUST STOP IT EVEN IF IT EXPIRES.

LIKE CHIPS, YOU CAN'T STOP.

I DON'T BUY OFF ON A LOT OF THE HORROR STORIES I'M HEARING BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND CERTAINLY THOSE HAVE -- THOSE ARE FUNDAMENTAL FOR ME AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T -- WE DON'T UPSET THAT PART OF YOUR OUR BEACH. I THINK WE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT GETTING THEM ACROSS THE CONSERVATION ZONE AND IT JUST BECOMES INCREASINGLY MORE COMPLEX AND SO I THINK MY POSITION WILL PROBABLY BE NOT TO MOVE AN ORDINANCE FORWARD, TO JUST ACCEPT THAT WE HAVE -- WE DO HAVE DOGS ON THE BEACH. WE HAVE TWO BEACH FRONT PARKS THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED ON AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SUFFICIENT UNLESS WE COULD ADD A LOCATION ON THE NORTH BEACH. NORTH PART -- WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION. I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE PEOPLE IN THE NORTHERN AREAS AN OPPORTUNITY -- THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO TRAVEL AS MEMBERSHIP. THAT'S NOT A BEACH THAT'S AS HEAVYLY USED BECAUSE IT'S A STEEP BEACH. THE -- YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF BATHERS.

I WILL JUST GO DOWN THE DIAS AND GET -- JUST THE GENERAL IDEA. MR. DANIELS?

I WOULD NOT. WE HAVE THE DOG PARKS, WE HAVE BEEN OVER THAT. WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT SIZE AND THEY ACCOMMODATE THE DOGS, WE DON'T NEED MORE. NO NEED FOR A TRIAL PERIOD AND AS WE HAVE HEARD AS THIS HAS BECOME A ORDINANCE WITH ALL KINDS OF RESTRICTIONS AND -- YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T WAVE A DEAD CHICKEN IN THE AIR KIND OF THING. IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE. THERE IS JUST NO WAY TO ENFORCE IT. THAT'S REALLY THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT. YOU KNOW AND WHAT WE HAVE HEARD TOO IS -- WE HAVE HEARD THAT IF YOU -- EVEN IF YOU PICK UP THE DOG FECES THE PARASITES REMAIN IN THE SAND. WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF DOG URINE. I HAVE A ARTICLE HERE FROM THE ORLANDO SENTINEL THAT SAYS THAT THOSE EGGS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR FOR HAVING WORMS REMAINS THE SAME FOR YEARS. IT DOESN'T GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON. SO, WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS. YOU KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO REDEVELOP OURSELVES. WE ARE TRYING TO UPGRADE OUR STANDARDS, NOT TRYING TO GO BACKWARD WE ARE NOT. THIS IS AN URBAN BEACH AND WE NEED TO START MOVING FORWARD, NOT BACKWARD. YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE HARD ROCK HOTEL GETS BUILT AND SOME OF THEIR PATRONS GO OUT, LIE DOWN ON THE SAND AND GET WORMS ALL IN THEIR BACK. THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THEM ON THEIR FEET BUT PEOPLE LIE DOWN ON THE SAND. THAT IS A DIFFERENT DEAL. AND -- IF I'M RIGHT ABOUT WORMS I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PARENTS WILL THANK US FOR INFECTING THEIR CHILDREN IN THAT REGARD. AS FAR AS THE NORTH PENINSULA GOES, NO, I THINK THE PEOPLE IN NORTH PENINSULA, ARE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO WANT THEIR BEACHES TURNED INTO FECAL BEACHES. I DON'T THINK THAT THE PEOPLE UP THERE ARE GOING TO THANK ANYONE WHO VOTES IN FAVOR OF THAT. EITHER WITH CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS OR VOTES AT ELECTION TIME. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO IMPOSE THAT KIND OF BURDEN ON THEM. I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE THEIR. THE -- LET'S TAKE THE HARD ROCK HOTEL. LET'S TAKE THE RUSSIAN HOTEL. OTHER HOTELS THAT MAY WANT TO COME HERE.

ARE THEY REALLY -- THE LENDERS WILL SAY WHAT? THEY DID WHAT? THEY CREATED A HEALTH HAZARD IN FRONT OF YOUR HOTEL AND YOU WANT US TO LONA YOU MONEY? I DON'T THINK SO. THEN IT WOULD BE THE REPUTATION OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL. WE WOULD BE A UNRELIABLE COUNCIL FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE LOOKING TO COME HERE AND INVEST TO DEAL WITH. WE WOULD BE WILLING TO PLAY WITH THE RULES AND PLAY WITH THE RULES THAT ARE NOT -- IN THE BEST -- NOT BEST FOR THE COUNTY. I BELIEVE THEY WILL CONFIRM THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE BEACH PATROL TO CATCH EVERYBODY WHOSE DOG DECEFACET ON THE BEACH. THEY CAN COVER IT UP, COVER IT UP IMMEDIATELY. YOU WILL HAVE A STEAMING HEAP OF DOG FECES FOR THE NEXT TOURIST TO STEP ON AND HAVE IT OOZE BETWEEN HIS TOES. WHAT WILL HE TELL PEOPLE WHEN HE GOES HOME? THAT IS NOT A GOOD PICTURE. THE WHOLE IDEA SINCE WE HAVE BEACHES WHERE IT'S ALLOWED, HAVING IT IN THE TOURIST AREAS IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD SAY, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY -- FROM DAY TANA BEACH NORTH WOULD BE A TERRIBLE IDEA. YOU KNOW -- IN DAYTONA AND I WOULD ASSUME THE SHORES, THEY DON'T LET THE DOGS ON THE BEACHES. THEY UNDERSTOOD THE DEAL. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS OVERRIDING WHAT THE CITIES DECIDED WHEN THEY -- GAVE THE BEACHES TO THE COUNTY THINKING WE WOULD DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS. YOU KNOW, IN THOSE AREAS, PARTICULARLY IN THOSE URBAN AREAS THERE IS NO -- WE SHOULD NOT HAVE DUG DOGS ON THE BEACH AND UP THE NORTH PENINSULA. I WOULDN'T SUPPORT MOVING THE ORDINANCE FORWARD. THANK YOU.

OKAY. WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN MOVING THIS ORDINANCE FORWARD?

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

WE DO A TEST.

I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING A LOT OF DAMAGE CONTROL.

WE DO HAVE TWO DOG BEACHES AND I HEAR -- ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS SAID THEY HAVE TO DRIVE 7 MILES, WELL, MOST OF US KNOW -- MOST OF YOU WAS KNOW THAT IF I AM GOING TO DO THAT I AM GOING TO DRIVE QUITE A WHILE TO GET THERE, IT IS PART OF THE LIFE FOR US THAT DON'T LIVE ON THE BEACH IN VOLUSIA COUNTY AND WE KNOW IT AND IT IS WHAT YOU DO IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT AND I GUESS WITH THAT IF YOU COULD SAY LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE, I GUESS I AM GOING TO LEAVE -- SORRY, HEY, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT NOT GOING FORWARD.

OKAY, SO THE MORE --

-- THE MORE --

-- OKAY, SO YOU DID IN THE WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

MR. ANDERSON WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN VOTING THIS FORWARD?

NO.

OKAY.

I DID, I WAS ON THE SICK SIDE OF THIS THING, MY THOUGHT WAS OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT IT AND I AM GOING TO TELL YOU YOU ARE GOING TO NEED A BILLBOARD TO ADVERTISE THIS ORDINANCE WITH PEOPLE COMING OVER TO LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE WITH ALL THE LITTLE NUANCES, THEY ALL WHAT YOU CAN AND WHAT YOU CAN'T DO JUST WITH DOGS ON THE BEACH IS GOING TO REQUIRE BILLBOARDS FROM ONE END OF THE 53 MILES TO THE OTHER. THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS PUTTING OUR BEACH PATROL AT A RISK FOR MORE PEOPLE CRITICIZING THEM FOR ENFORCING THE LAW. I SAW IT THAT THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE OF THE YOUNG LADY SURFING AND OH, MY GOSH SAW WITH THE HARASSMENT AND ALL THIS, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT TO THEM, I REALLY DON'T WANT THEM -- I WANT THEM OUT THERE. WE WENT FORWARD WITH SOMETHING SO THAT WE THOUGHT WE COULD BE MORE FRIENDLY WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE BEACH AND COULD PROTECT OUR CITIZENS WITHOUT THE THOUGHT OF PEOPLE OH HERE THEY COME AGAIN, THEY ARE GOING TO HARASS ME AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT TO THEM. I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYBODY ON THE BEACH PATROL BUT I RESPECT THEM, I RESPECT WHAT THEY DO AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM IN THAT POSITION AT ALL PERIOD. I AM GOING -- I JUST AS SOON MAKE A MOTION NOW THAT WE NOT MOVE THIS MOTION FORWARD.

-- IT WAS A GENERAL --

-- I STILL HAVE A MOTION --

-- THAT --

-- MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

THERE IS A EXPLOSION TO BASICALLY END THIS DISCUSSION AND MOVING THIS FORWARD, AM I CORRECT?

YES.

THAT IS A MOTION.

SECOND.

THANK YOU, I DID HEAR A SECOND FROM MR. DANIELS. FURTHER DISCUSSION CONSIDERING MISS NORTHEY, MISS DENYS, MR. DANIELS AND MISS CUSACK DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY?

LET ME SAY WE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO START AT THIS END.

YES, I WILL.

WE WILL START AT THIS END.

I APOLOGIZE MA'AM.

JUST BE MINDFUL THAT THERE IS SOMEONE ON YOUR RIGHT.

YES, MA'AM, I KNOW THAT, VERY RIGHT ON THERE.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING I SUPPORTED THE FACT THAT WE COULD GET TO THIS PLACE TODAY. I AM A NURSE BY PROFESSION AND THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS THE MORE IT BECAME EVIDENT THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND AS MUCH AS I SUPPORT THE IDEAS OF MY COLLEAGUE HERE TO MY LEFT, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I WOULD SUPPORT MOVING EVEN WITH THE -- A PERIOD OF -- A TRIAL PERIOD OF THREE MONTHS, LET ME TELL YOU WHY. BECAUSE THE END OF THREE MONTHS YOU WON'T -- I DON'T THINK WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH STATISTICAL DATA TO SAY NO WE CANNOT DO THIS. NUMBER 2, WE WILL NOT -- WE WILL -- MR. DINNEEN SAID THAT WE WILL PUT ADDITIONAL -- HE COULD CONTROL THE CONTROL PERIOD OF THREE MONTHS BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF IT PASSES? WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY SO TO ME WE ARE JUST KIND OF SPINNING OUR WHILES OUR WHEELS WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THIS, BECAUSE NUMBER 1 WE CAN'T AFFORD IT AND NUMBER 2 WE GOT PARASITES ON THAT AND NUMBER 3 WE ALREADY GOT TWO YEARS THAT YOU CAN TAKE YOUR DOG TO SO I KIND OF THING THAT WE WENT OFF TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT BUT IT IS NECESSARY THAT WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION SO YOU WILL KNOW THE CITIZENS HAVE SPOKEN AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER ANY OTHER AREAS AT THIS TIME FOR THIS ISSUE. I -- I CAN'T NOT SUPPORT THIS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO US HAVING MORE DISCUSSION ON ISSUES THAT WE BRING UP THE END OF THE DAY AND HAVE SOME DIALOGUE THAT SOMETIME WE DO THINGS AND WE HAVE TO REACT WHEN WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE AND NOT REACT, SO LET'S JUST HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND NOT MAKE MOTIONS SO MUCH AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS PEOPLE DO -- THEY ARE FRESH IN THE MORNING BUT AT 5:00 OR 6:00 THEY ARE NOT -- MINDS ARE NOT SO -- YOU UNDERSTAND. AND SO I -- I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT AND THAT IS MY POSITION MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU MISS CUSACK.

MR. WAGNER WOULD YOU LIKE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS ON THIS.

NO. I DO THINK YOU ARE NOT DOING BY -- THE MICHAEL CROTTIE BICENTENNIAL PARK AREA IS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE TO THE NORTH. I HAVE HEARD MORE PROS AND MORE PEOPLE SUPPORTING THAT THAN I HAVE NEGATIVES PLUS FROM A DISTANCE STANDPOINT IT MAKES SENSE, FROM A FACILITIES STANDPOINT IT MAKES SENSE AS WELL, SO I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS WITH THE PARTS.

TO ALLOW DOG ACCESS TO THAT BEACH.

OKAY, THANK YOU, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ABANDONING THIS IDEA PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SO MR. WAGNER AND MR. TAVES WILL BE OPPOSED TO THAT BECAUSE I DO HONESTLY THINK WE CAN DO SHORTER AREAS BUT REGARDLESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH LADIES AND GENTLEMEN FOR -- NO, NO, NO, NO, WE PAR NOT IN RECESS HERE SO IF YOU WOULD WE DO HAVE TOO REMAIN ARE NOT IN RECESS BUT WE DO HAVE THAT AND THANK YOU GENTLEMEN NO PARTICIPATING IN YOUR GOVERNMENT, ITEM NUMBER 7 IS A PROPOSAL FOR ABANADONMENT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE DO HAVE TO KEEP THE NOISE DOWN, WE ARE STILL WORKING HERE.

RESOLUTION PROPOSED ABANDONMENT VACATION OF A PORTION OF CHAPPAN STREET AND ARNOLD'S ADDITION TO SEVILLE, PETITIONERS KENNETH COLLIER AND JACQUELINE COLORADO ER, IS THAT YOU, MR. COLLIER AND WE WILL START OFF WITH MR. JERRY BRITTON WITH A STAFF REPORT, MR. BRITTON, PLEASE.

THANK YOU --

BEFORE YOU --

I AM SORRY, I TURNED HIM OFF BECAUSE EVERY TIME --

YES --

WE MAY HAVE TO GET JERRY OR JEFF IN HERE TO LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE EVERY TIME THE MANAGER SPEAKS WE GET A LOT OF FEED BACK, I AM SORRY THAT WAS MY FAULT.

JERRY BRETON, COUNTY ENGINEER, BEFORE YOU IS A PETITION TO VACATE AND ABANDON, VACATE A PORTION OF TWO PLATS. THIS INVOLVES A 40 FOOT WIDE PLATTED RIGHT-OF-WAY AND IT -- IN THE SEVILLE AREA, THE -- THE EXPECT THERE SHOWS THE -- THE LOCATION OF THE PLATTED RIGHT-OF-WAY, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY -- I THINK THERE ARE 48 TINY LITTLE LOTS THAT ABUT THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE PETITIONERS WOULD LIKE TO IN THE FUTURE REZONE IT AND DIVIDE THE PROPERTY SO THEY HAVE GOT TWO PARCELS AND SO THE REQUEST HERE TODAY IS TO ABANDON THOSE, THE PLATTED LOTS, THOSE TINY LOTS THAT WERE PLATTED BACK IN I BELIEVE 1886 AND TO ABANDON THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AS YOU SEE ON THAT EXHIBIT. STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT. AND THERE IS -- THERE IS NO OBJECTION FROM STAFF. WE SEE NO PUBLIC PURPOSE IN RETAINING THOSE AND WE HAVE SEEN NO OBJECTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, SO WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS TO COUNCIL.

THANK YOU MR. BRITON. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE ON STAFF THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT? OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE STAFF COMMENT. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO LIKES TO MAKE A COMMENT? I DON'T HAVE HER SLIP YOU KNOW THAT?

I DON'T HAVE THAT.

MRS. BAKER ARE YOU ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONERS?

MY NAME IS CHRISTIE BAKER AND I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THEM.

OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE MISS COLLIER.

YES, THAT IS FINE.

SO YOU WILL BE SPEAKING IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

YES, I WILL HAVE YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOU WILL HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES AND AFTER YOU ARE DONE YOU WILL HAVE TO FILL OUT THE SLIP AND GIVE IT TO MARCY.

OKAY.

BY THE WAY THAT YOUNG BOY OF YOURS, HOW OLD IS HE, 6 OR 5?

HE IS 5.

I TELL WHY TELL YOU WHAT HE HAS BEEN SITTING HERE ALL MORNING AND YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL CHILD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

A PERSONAL COMMENT. ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.

MY NAME IS CHRISTIE BAKER, THAT IS MY ADDRESS AND I AM A LOCAL REAL ESTATE BROKER THERE AND THEY CONTACTED ME ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY ACTUALLY ABOVE THAT AND THE REASON THEY CONTACTED ME IS THE NATURE OF THE THING, A LOT OF IT IS ZONING QUITE FRANKLY, I HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH WITH THE ZONING, JESSE UP THERE IN ZONING OVER WHAT WE CAN DO OVER THE ZONING BECAUSE IT WAS ZONED AS A BUSINESS AND FOR MANY YEARS IT WAS NOT USED AS A BUSINESS, AND CHAPIN STREET, YOU LOOK ACROSS AND IT IS A VISIBLE ROAD AND IT IS FUNNY I HAVE TO VACATE IT BUT HERE I AM BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO SPLIT THAT LAND UP. ALL THE PEOPLE WE HAVE HAD COME INTERESTED IN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY SAY LOOK CAN YOU SELL OFF THAT ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY? NO, I CAN'T, GIVEN THE WAY IT IS ZONED AS ONE PARCEL OF PROPERTY. SO WE HAVE TO VACATE CHAPEIN STREET AND THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE ONLY TIME I SEE YOU, WHO KNOWS BUT THERE IS AN ISSUE IN THAT THEY ARE ZONED SO OLD IN EFFECTTIVELY TO HOW THEY ARE USED TODAY. FOR INSTANCE, PROBABLY THE NEXT PART OF THIS I WILL SEE YOU ABOUT IS THAT ON TOP. WHEN IT WAS ZONED IT WAS THAT AND YOU ONLY NEED ONE ACRE, SO WE ARE SLIGHTLY SHY OF TURNING IN IT INTO AGRICULTURAL PIECE OF LAND, IT WAS ZONED THAT BEFORE, SO ANYWAY I AM HERE TO HOPEFULLY MOVE THAT FORWARD AND HELP MAKE THAT LAND PA LITTLE BIT MORE USEFUL AND TO BENEFIT THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO BUY THE LAND AND USE IT FOR FARMING OR WHATEVER AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE CHOSE TO VACATE CHAPEIN STREET IS THERE IS A WELL AT THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY SO IT MAKES SENSE TO SELL OFF HALF THE PROPERTY AND REZONE IT SO YOU CAN BUILD A BUILDING AT THE TOP END AND SOUTH END. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A BOARD THAT IS REVIEWING ALL THOSE ZONING ISSUES. AND THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION AND WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY -- [ NO AUDIO ]

-- DISCUSSION OR MOTIONS?

MR. PATTERSON, PLEASE?

YEAH, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE RESOLUTION TO VACATE.

I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF VACATION. [ NO AUDIO ]

-- SECOND -- [ NO AUDIO ]

SECOND FROM MISS DENYS. ANY FURTHER -- [ NO AUDIO ]

-- DISCUSSION? -- SEEING NONE AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SO VACATED, WE ARE NOW ON VACATION, ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT SAID, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE -- WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUR LUNCH AT THIS TIME, WE WILL BE IN RECESS, 2:30 INTO THAT BE OKAY WITH EVERYBODY, 2:30. NO DISAGREEMENTS, 2:30 OKAY WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:30. YOU ARE WELCOME. [ RECESSED UNTIL 2:30 LOCAL TIME ] I SMIEF APPROVAL OF THE ORDER ?ANS SPHWO 013-18-CPA-STLEEN-004.

I HAVE A EXPLOSION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND.

FROM MR. PATTERSON AND A SECOND FROM MRS. DENIES.

AGAIN FURTHER DISCUSSION?

SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. UNANIMOUS.

OKAY MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 27 IN THAT NUMBER AND THEY ARE REQUESTING A REZONE OF 7.316 ACRES FROM RURAL AGRICULTURE A-2 AND TRANSITIONAL AGRICULTURE A-4 TO CONSERVATION, WHICH IS AC ZONING, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION OF VOLUSIA COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT, MR. ASHTON.

SCOTT ASHLEY, SENIOR ZONING MANAGER OF VOLUSIA COUNTY GROWTH AND RESOURCE MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. THIS IS A CORRESPONDENT REZONING APPLICATION, THEY DEALT WITH A LARGE SCALE PLAN AMENDMENT, THIS IS A REZONING OF NEARLY 72 ACRES OF LAND AND AGAIN IT MAKES UP THE SCRUB OAK RESERVE PROPERTY, THIS IS THE CHANGE AS YOU HAVE INDICATED FROM TWO RURAL ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS TO CORRESPOND WITH THE CONSERVATION LAND-USE AMENDMENT JUST ADDRESSED, THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO HEARING, THE SECOND HEARING WILL BE HEARD SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 20TH, 2014 AT 2:00. IF A MAJORITY OF PLUS ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS APPROVE THE HEARING CAN OCCUR BEFORE 5:00. THE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE 22ND FOR THE SECOND AND FINAL HEARING.

OKAY. IS THAT A DIFFERENT PICTURE? BECAUSE IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME.

IT IS THE SAME.

IT IS THE SAME.

SAME PROPERTY.

SAME PROPERTY. OKAY. ONE IS -- OKAY, ONE IS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A LITTLE CONFUSING. ANY OTHER STAFF COMMENT ON THAT.

WE HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM AT THIS TIME.

OKAY NO FURTHER STAFF, OKAY, WE WILL CHOICE STAFF SUPPORT AND OPEN THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT?

NO, SIR.

THANK YOU MISS ZIMMERMAN, GIVING ANY LAST WALK-INS A SECOND AND SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

MR. CHAIR?

YES, MR. PATTERSON, I WOULD HIKE TO MOVE THIS TO SECOND HEARING ON THAT.

I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

SECOND, GIVE IT TO MISS NORTHEY.

MISS NORTHEY WILL ACCEPT THE SECOND ON THAT CASE. ANYFURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE IN NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO CARRIED.

NOW WE CAN GO TO ZONING NUMBER 28, ITEM 28 ROSE ORDINANCE 2014-03-CPA-14-001, TRANSMITTAL HEARING FROM A LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR AGRICULTURE RESOURCE TO WORLD DESIGNATION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4820 STATE ROAD 11 DELEON SPRINGS, JEFF ROGERS IS THE APPLICANT, AND OWNER JEFF ROGERS AND I GUESS THAT IS BRIAN AARON ROGERS DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY.

BRIN.

BRIN.

THAT IS A LAND-USE THAT IS SPLIT WITH LAND-USE AND RURAL ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FOR LAND-USE AND THE PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT IS TO REDESIGNATE IT TO RURAL SO IT IS ONE SINGLE LAND-USE SO IT CAN BE FOLLOWED UP FOR ONE SINGLE ZONING CLASSIFICATION CONSISTENT WITH THE RURAL LAND-USE DESIGNATION, AGAIN THIS IS FOR TRANSMITTAL, THIS WOULD GO TO VARIOUS STATE AGENCIES FOR REVIEW AND COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION PROBABLY-SOMETIME PROBABLY IN APRIL TO MAY TIME PERIOD.

IT IS BASICALLY JUST TAKING TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY AND MAKING THEM ONE.

IT IS ONE -- ONE PARCEL AT THIS TIME BUT IT IS -- AS NOTED ON THE AERIAL, THIS IS PAGE 28-52 OF YOUR PAGE, THEY SHOW IT IS SPLIT LAND-USE AND ALSO SPLINT ZONED AT THIS POINT AND THE GOAL IS TO BRING IT ON TO ONE CLASSIFICATION FOR REZONING AND LAND-USE AND THIS IS A FIRST STEP.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER STAFF REPORT? MISS WIGGY, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING TODAY ARE YOU?

WE HAVE THE RIGHT ADDRESS ON THIS ONE.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT ADDRESS ON THIS ONE, THANK YOU, I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT NEXT QUESTION, OKAY, WE WILL CLOSE STAFF COMMENTS, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS MATTER.

NO, SIR.

THANK YOU MA'AM, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

MR. CHAIR.

MR. PATTERSON.

I MOVE APPROVAL OF THAT.

I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND.

OR IT IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE TRANSMITTAL, TRANSMISSION.

TRANSMITTAL.

TRANSMISSION, TRANSMITTAL, WE ARE MOVING IT SOMEWHERE, SECOND BY MRS. DENIES, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED, IT IS PASSED.

ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO ITEM I, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE THAT TO THAT DATE.

I MOVE THE CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY.

I HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY 20TH THEN. I HAVE A SECOND FROM MISS DENYS. ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE, AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SEEING NONE IT IS PASSED, ALL RIGHT, CARRY ON. YES, MARY GO ON, YES, WE ARE WELL INTO 2:30, CHILDREN'S ADVISORY BOARD, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE 2014 SUMMER CAMP, DAVE BYRON IS STARTING THE PRESENTATION I DO BELIEVE AND -- I WILL LEAVE-GIVE YOU THE FLOOR SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST COMPLETED A 22 MILE TRAIL UP HERE SO I AM A LITTLE -- A LITTLE SHORT OF BREATH, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GOING UP --

-- DO YOU NEED A MOMENT-

-- NO --

-- CATCH YOUR BREATH?

I AM DAVE BYRON THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU FROM THE CHILDREN'S ADVISORY BOARD CONCERNING CHANGES WE GIVE OUT TO THE SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM. BASICALLY WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE BELIEVE AND THE CHILDREN AND FAMILY ADVISORY BOARD BELIEVES WILL ALLOW MORE CHILDREN TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE C-FAB CHAIR MARY BRUNO TO COME FORWARD TO PRESENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU AND I WOULD SAY AGAIN, AS I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THEY ARE AN EXCELLENT BOARD AND WORK HARD AND PRESENT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU.

AHEAD AND GET YOU A DRINK AND CATCH YOUR BREATH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CHAIR AND MR. DINNEEN, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE ADVISORY BOARD, IT IS A CRITICAL BOARD AND HAS DONE THAT IN THE PAST AND WE HAVE DONE THAT BUT CERTAINLY SUMMER CAMPS AND KEEPING AS MANY CHILDREN SAFE DURING THAT SUMMERTIME IS CRITICAL TO NOT ONLY WHAT WE DO BUT MANY OF OUR AGENCIES ARE TRYING TO DUMP IN AND PROVIDE SERVICES FOR OUR YOUNGEST CITIZENS DURING THE SUMMERTIME. I FIRST WANT TO COMMEND DIANE AND CINDY FOR KEEPING US STRAIGHT AND MAKING SURE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THERE FOR US, THEY DO A FABULOUS JOB MONITORING OUR AGENCIES AND MAKING SURE THAT THE MONEY THAT OUR TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING AND YOU ARE APPROVING IS SPENT WISELY, SO OUR REQUEST TODAY IS TO CHANGE SOME OF OUR CRITERIA, WE HAVE HAD DRAMATIC INCREASES EVERY YEAR IN THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS TO GET SCHOLARSHIPS FOR SUMMER CAMP AND UNFORTUNATELY THE 350,000 THAT WE CURRENTLY ALLOCATE DOES NOT MEET ALL OF THE NEEDS AND LAST YEAR WE TURNED AWAY ALMOST 500 CHILDREN THAT WERE ELIGIBLE. MORE THAN 500 CHILDREN THAT WERE ELIGIBLE. SO WE ALSO STARTED TO LOOK AT THE CATEGORIES OF WHO WE WERE NOT BEING ABLE TO SERVE AND WE REALIZED THAT OUR WORKING POOR FAMILIES, THOSE THAT WERE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING AND HAVE THEIR CHILDREN AND KEEP THEIR CHILDREN SAFE IN THE SUMMERTIME WERE THOSE THAT MANY OF THOSE WERE NOT GETTING SERVED BY OUR GRANT BECAUSE OUR CURRENT POLICY WAS WE START WITH THOSE THAT WERE MOST IN THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF POVERTY, THE MOST POOR OF OUR FOLKS AND WE JUST KIND OF GAVE THE SCHOLARSHIPS OUT ONE AFTER THE OTHER AFTER THE OTHER UNTIL THE MONEY RAN OUT AND THAT MEANT THAT THOSE DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER INCOME, TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING WERE NOT GETTING SERVED. SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A COUPLE OF CHANGES, BASICALLY ONE TO GIVE US MORE SCHOLARSHIPS TO INCREASE THE NUMBERS WE SERVE BUT ALSO TO MAKE THE DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE SCHOLARSHIPS MORE FAIR AND EQUAL AND BE ABLE TO SERVE SOME OF THE WORKING POOR.

SO OUR -- OUR CHANGED RECOMMENDATIONS ARE -- AND THIS WAS A TOUGH ONE, A CHANGE IN AGE ELIGIBILITY. WE HAD BEEN SERVING AGES 5 TO 14 IN OUR SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM. WE ARE ASKING TO LOWER THAT TO 5 TO 12.

YOU KNOW CHILDREN COULD NOT OR SHOULD NOT BE LEFT HOME ALONE UNDER THE AGE OF 12 SO WITH FOLLOWED THAT GUIDELINE, EARLY LEARNING COALITION AND OTHERS NO LONGER FUND SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN AND -- IN MOST CASES SO WE FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW WE ARE STILL TRYING TO HELP THOSE THAT STILL NEED TO STAY AT HOME. SO LAST YEAR WE HAD 472 ELIGIBLE 12 AND UNDER CHILDREN WHO DID NOT GET SERVED. SO BY CUTTING THOSE TWO, THE 13 AND 14-YEAR-OLDS OUT OF THIS IT WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBERS WE COULD SERVE.

THE SECOND THING WE COULD LIKE TO DO IS REVISE OUR POVERTY LEVELS. CURRENTLY AND IN YOUR BACKGROUND INFORMATION WE HAD THREE POVERTY LEVELS. WE FEEL LIKE BY EXPANDING THAT TO FOUR WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE MORE OF OUR WORKING -- WORKING POOR. PRIOR TO THE -- TO THIS, AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, WE JUST KIND OF GAVE OUT THE SCHOLARSHIPS FROM THE MOST POVERTY ALL THE WAY DOWN UNTIL THE MONEY RAN OUT, SO THOSE THAT YOU KNOW WERE AT A MORE DESCENT INCOME, 150% AND ABOVE DID NOT -- WERE NOT ABLE TO GET SCHOLARSHIPS. SO THEN WE ESTIMATE BECAUSE OF THAT CHANGE THAT IN OUR ZERO TO 5, OUR POOREST FAMILIES WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE ABOUT 224 PEOPLE, OUR SECOND LEVEL, 51 TO 100%, 269, ESTIMATED STUDENTS, FROM THE 101 TO 150, 310, AND THE 150 TO 200 ABOUT 122.

SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT MORE EVENLY DISTRIBUTES THAT WHERE UNDER OUR OTHER -- UNDER OUR OTHER CRITERIA WE ONLY SERVED 14 IN THAT HIGHEST GROUP SO THIS WOULD MORE EVENLY DISTRIBUTE IT THROUGH AMONG ALL OF OUR GROUPS.

THE OTHER THING WE ARE ASK SING TO DO IS TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT PAID BY THE COUNTY AND INCREASE THE AMOUNT PAID BY OUR CLIENTS ON THEIR WEEKLY FEES.

AT THE SAME TIME WE INCREASE THE AMOUNT THE COUNTY PAYS AND DECREASE THE AMOUNT THEY PAY, IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT THAT MUCH BECAUSE ALL CAMPS DO HAVE A REGISTRATION FEE AND THEN OUR LAST CHANGE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE WOULD LIMIT OUR CAMP PARTICIPATION. WE WOULD PAY FOR ONLY EIGHT WEEKS, THAT IS WHAT THE COUNTY PARKS AND LEASH RUNS FOR, LEISURE RUNS FOR, SOME OF THEM STILL RUN AND PARTICIPATE BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THEIR OWN WAY. AND DOING ALL THESE ALLOCATIONS AND THE THINGS WOULD STAY THE SAME WOULD BE 250 WOULD STAY WITH OUR COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION AND 100,000 WOULD GO TO THE PRIVATE PROVIDERS THAT MAKE APPLICATION FOR PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM AND THE PAYMENTS THAT WE PAID TO PRIVATE PROVIDERS WOULD NOT BE MORE THAN WHAT THE COUNTY WOULD PAY, SO YOU KNOW IF -- IF A PRIVATE PROVIDER IS CHARGING 80 FOR THEIR SUMMER CAMP A WEEK AND THE COUNTY IS AT 60, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY MORE FOR STUDENTS TO BE IN THAT SUMMER CAMP, IF A PARENT CHOOSES TO GO TO THE 80 DOLLAR SUMMER CAMP, THAT IS ALL WELL AND GOOD, THEIR SCHOLARSHIP FROM THE COUNTY WOULD BE THE SAME AND WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE SO WE ARE NOT PAYING MORE FOR SUMMER CAMP THAN WE ARE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, BY DOING ALL THESE CHANGES WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE 159 MORE ELIGIBLE STUDENTS, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TURNING AWAY 500 LAST YEAR THAT STILL IS ONLY A DROP IN THE BUCKET SO YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST GIVE US MORE MONEY AND WE WOULD -- THEY DIDN'T REACT TO THAT. ANOTHER 150 GRAND WOULD BE HELPFUL -- NO, WE DO UNDERSTAND BUT SUMMERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT, SO THOSE ARE OUR CHANGES AND WE WILL ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND WITH THAT WE WILL OPEN UP TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

You exercise due diligence. I am looking at the numbers that you use and I know it is a hard decision to come to. It is a very hard decision looking at this but I think it is an excellent presentation. It is very good and I would be open looking at the budget and increasing this because this is a huge. This is a huge issue countywide and for all our social service such as that we serve. This is a very proactive think we do in the community and support you. With that, I will make a motion for approval.

Second.

Third is a motion and was there a second? The second.

More the second. Are you getting the far away Ms. Denys?

Yes.

Thank you. I would also tell you that for this particular program I would agree with an increase because particularly these kind of programs were kids are off the street, staying out of trouble and getting served during the summer hours when parents have to go to work -- I just think that is where our focus ought to be. One of our focus is off to be mostly that's. I certainly would be open to entertaining if there is a way to reallocate. I would be open to that as well. I do have a question. How are we handling notification with our, for lack of a better word, our vendors who are providing the service because I know when I was speaking with staff, the eight week versus a 10 week is probably going to be an issue for some and I think it is better to let them know on the front and then the back and. I guess that is more directed toward the staff on how we will implement this.

We will have meetings with the staff. They come into make their application and I think that if next Tuesday they will come in -- we are also asking them to do a couple of things with healthy eating . All of that will come out during that meeting and then they will do their applications and be accepted or rejected. I think probably every year we get were applications for private providers want to come in on this. We have 17 parks and recreation sites & providers from last year and those private providers have 28 different type of the mind.

It is an important program and it keeps kids organized and -- organize in the summer when they need to be. -- She will be a good addition.

Thank you to Tora Bora for all that you do. It is a labor of love. You do a lot of tough stuff. You have to work at it but you all do a great job.

Thank you.

If I understand the cost to your client is only five dollars.

No. >> Maybe I misunderstood. I was writing as you went along there.

If you go to -- let me see -- if you look at page number to at the very bottom , the weekly cost which is based on a $65 rate, the county rate was $61 and 75 -- $61.75. That was what the county was paying for those students in the highest level of poverty that parents would now pay clients repaying another that rate goes up for the clients pay more depending on where we take -- we make the lowest poverty families pay the lease and then they'll. For those that the 200% poverty level, the county was only paying 45, 54 that exceed five dollar program and now they are only going to pay 42. Still , it is a nominal increase for the clients to keep their children in a safe place but it will allow us to serve those additional students.

Yes. Miss Northey?

Yes. I wanted to follow up on something. I will direct this to staff. Charlie, is this under you? Is this program con under year?

If we wanted to allocate additional funds for this or to reallocate funding, how would we do that? I know we are not in a position to do it today but is there going to the process, what would we do? >> Stirring up trouble.

Yes.

But with like that. We have to keep it interesting.

You should see the way you grabbed the microphone.

I do think with the issues the community faces is that if you want to reallocate or have us look to where we would reallocate some money for the program, I would be glad to do that. We can see how we are doing revenue alive and -- revenue wise and we never find money here. We reallocate it that I would be glad to look [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ] is the Council would like to do that.

I think that would be good.

Some of these programs, I really appreciate what I knew Mary has been talking about. It is a tough job. What they are trying to do is surf more people with the same amount of money.

At an important time also, Jim. It is a summer and kids need to be off the street.

I think the return on investment in these programs is enormous. You may want to look at do you want to relocate -- I will tell you what we did. You all remember we reallocated some money for our emergency assistance when in fact it is how I end up emptying your personal -- when I say personal I made the councils. The Council had a small cash account for emergencies. You actually use that for the emergency program so it is not unlike you to reallocate -- you do not usually do that unless it is something you are passionate about. I will be glad to look at it.

Thank you.

I know, you are just saying. Yes. Miscues back.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for your leadership. The children and families advisory board is just right on target in trying to serve our most needy families in it is important in this summer school programs that we do what we can to make sure we are serving as many as we can. By question is, is there any -- my question is, is there any amount -- if there is more than one child from a family, they all paid the same amount?

Yes. We do not have a seat that is different for families.

So if I have three, they play -- they paid the same per child?

Yes.

I would like for us as we look at that's maybe if it is three or more children from one family in that age group that we could, if we are so fortunate to have some pie in the sky, look at that also because they may be able to pay for one but surely would have problems if you have in that age group 3 or more.

Yes.

And some of them do have that many.

Absolutely.

Thanks so much and I certainly look forward to this program it is very important and usurp the most needy and it provides great opportunities for the children to learn and have fun in a safe place. Thanks again for all of the work you all do.

Thank you for appointing me.

Was that it took 15?

Yes.

Mr. Dinneen did you accidentally put -- push the button?

What I was going to say is what we could do if the Council would like us to do this, we could sit down with the advisory board and what we could ask them to do with our staff is look at what paid -- what changes they may suggest given what we think are the issues. We can look at things like multiple kids in a family, look at what you think are worthy the service the most and look into the solutions and back into a number. Rather than make an artificial number, why don't we look at what the issues are and what it would by us and then look at what the most bang for the buck can get and I don't think anybody is bigger than your organization to -- most effective places to get change in the program and then let's figure out what that costs.

Okay.

That is if the Council would like to that. I need direction on that.

I would like to do that.

I think that is a very proactive approach, Jim.

Ms. Cusack. And appeals want to comment on that be a good idea? I am on board with that myself. >> Okay. You have direction. Is that away.

We have a motion and a second for acceptance. Any further discussion on this matter?

All those in favor signify by Aye. All of those opposed.

Thank you.

You all have a great day.

If we have pointy ears on him, he would look like -- okay. Item number 31. Visit an appointment to children and finally's advisory board the district 5 has the nomination.

Figure, Mr. Chairman and other like to put in the nomination Maritza Avila-Vazquez.

-- From Miss Northey for Maritza Avila-Vazquez. All in favor signify by Aye.

Aye.

All of those? So Kerry. That in our normal business for the day. We will now enter into our -- using the list -- our Council member discussions. Miss Northey do you have any closing discussions? >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did. Just a couple of things. I know you're probably getting sick and tired of me talking about trail but there is so much prioritization that is going on in the state right now that once a prioritize the main part of the trail, they are now going back and looking at secondary segment and prioritizing those and so we have a number of segment in our river to see and I thought it would be appropriate -- our staff has worked very closely with the state in actually identifying the segments that are missing, but for this Council to write a letter of support for the river to see -- state trails system and I would throw that out there. >> I have no problem signing that letter.

Okay.

It is up to this commission if you would like me to sign it and get it written. But to get a thumbs-up kind of from everybody.

Thanks.

Okay.

All right. I guess that is the yes. Go for it. We have for people think of for it.

And then we need to schedule a groundbreaking dates, the date we have been given is March 29 -- not groundbreaking , ribbon-cutting for several. The start of some real. March 29 is a Saturday. Does that work for everybody?

Actually for a commission that is only for the elected. We can -- we go down there for that. From what I understand --

That are having a big one, but individual communities can do something and --

That is what we are doing.

Will cut the vein and we can get on the train and I should go to the next place.

They will actually have trains there for us. Is that okay. March 29 for everybody.

I thought that was cleared for everybody. Were is Dave? He is probably [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ]. He has reserved it but asked if the Council was okay with that date.

I was already planning on being there .

March 29?

Yes. March 29. I was would be there.

I will be there. All right.

And 29th is the ribbon-cutting for the [ Inaudible ] station. It showed up on my schedule which is why I thought it was cleared by everybody. Sinecure is Mr. Byron.

We were just talking about the March 29 the date, Dave, whether -- the chairman that it had already been selected and I said we deserved it but we did not --

Yes. We just heard from them literally two days ago that the date that was available -- what we had asked them for was the date closest to the actual start of service and the date they provided was March 29. They just confirmed that. What we did was reserved it with the thought we would bring that up to you today to make sure that is what the Council wanted to do. That would be 9:00 until 11:00 on a Saturday. We would -- just to be clear, they are not doing that. This will be a local event that we will do. We will do the work and the invitations and what they will do is provide a train for people to go through .

Yes. It is just a tour. As a stagnant were.

Yes. They will have a train there and basically it will be and -- be an open house tour of the train . I do not have the date in front of me but there is a much larger systemwide event scheduled in April. I do not have that date readily available. I have it in my computer.

I do not to the of the top of my head.

The big one?

Yes. Big one.

Systemwide. Smack about it was sometime in April.

Yes. It is.

I cannot remember the day. I just wanted to raise that for everybody. We reserve the date, Dave, I think we can go ahead --

We have already tentatively reserved it but we will confirm it for sure.

Okay. Fort Florida station.

I believe [ Inaudible ] was offered the opportunity to name it.

Did they do anything?

I do believe so.

I was a poor negotiator on that one.

I say we just [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ] what do it ourselves. I did that away thinking they would reciprocate and they never did. Okay. That is it for me, Mr. Chairman. I look forward to seeing you all at the map -- at the last meeting in February. I will not be our next meeting.

Very well. Duly noted.

Mr. Patterson?

Closing comments, Sir.

I just had one -- will, to, actually. [ Inaudible ] people are asking me about that cemetery and actually wanted to know if it is going to be fenced off. I guess there is a lot of vandalism going on in there. I do not know what the feds would do --

No, Sir. We do not have any plans to extent that. That is not a cemetery where we are involved in the maintenance and the property. I guess there was discussion at one point if the Glenwood Association acting as a neighborhood group to help out with the maintenance on the property but it is nothing that is really within our jurisdiction right now.

[ Indiscernible - low volume ] I know there is a state agency. I'm going to contact them because I had the one at Massey Airpark and there were some issues going on.

I remember that. >> I will contact the state and go from there.

Okay. I will look into that and see because we were involved in that also. I will see if I can pull that history. Strict okay. The other thing I have is the split zoning in [ Inaudible ] Springs. Is Kelly back there?

Yes, Sir.

I just want to know where that is at moving along with the administrative rezoning. I just can't recognize you with that --

Kelly Micki director of growth and resources.

She is like my daughter. She is a natural blonde and goes and turned it all around because she did not take anybody took her seriously as a blonde. You've got a PhD.

She is going to love you if she hears that.

What's that?

Ms. McGee, you have the for.

Thank you, Sir. The [ Inaudible ] Springs in Chicago we did experiment of have counsel direction to expand the rezoning classification on the properties along US 17 to remove the split owning. We have extended that up to the the bill area. We have spoken with folks from that area and that is progressing forward and we are giving the folks an opportunity to opt out if they so choose but we have not received any opposition. I do not smoke the exact date when that will be coming before you but I will find that out and said that out.

Thank you, very much.

Thank you very much. Mr. Waggoner? Do you have any closing comments?

I am going to go ahead and I will give a short summary. Has been an issue, I brought up a couple of months ago about out light in Port Orange on [ Inaudible ]. You probably don't remember it because it is not a big deal to -- but it is a big deal for me district and it is a big deal for our staff because it has gone back and forth. This is what happened. The city of Port Orange years ago -- how long has it been? Three years? Four years? When they made a decision to bring it all back from Daytona to Port Orange, they were going to put a light and they had permission to put one like. The capacity only allows us to put one light under the Florida current position requirements. It is one like. We told them, you pick where. If I am wrong, let me know this is the short version. Instead of putting it on the road [ Inaudible ] -- instead of putting it on the road where it should be, Dave put it further down the road because they wanted to lower radon. The city commission make that decision, it within economic development decision, I get it. I am okay with it. If you want to make that decision, find. What has happened is the president, rightfully so, it is a complete mess. I was down there for a meeting a while back, leaving the meeting I almost got in an accident on the road. It is bad. So, they turned around and some of the city commissioners don't know of that prior communication. It is a former city manager so some of that knowledge has been loss. We have been made out to be the bad guy because they are saying just put in a second like. Capacity on these roads on their there's, the way it works is there is a certain capacity. What it gets to a certain level the low for brains. Guess who has to build it. Us. We do not have a road program. That is just the way it is. It has gone back and forth. There is a significant development project in that area. If the light was in the place it should be, there would be significant tax dollars and is people who have been paying for [ Inaudible ] and spending a lot of money who by the way also paid to the -- paid for the light to the development which it should be there. Finally, I have been in e-mail correspondence and the city responded with saying -- visited last summer brought it up -- I that I will have an update for using because out of nowhere I keep asking for updates trying to get this done. The city blamed the county saying they met with radon that the county refuses to meet with radon because what we talked the city is you made a decision. Radon is an a and B. C has affected with a. He figured out a tell me which were decision is. What we did? Staff, I talk to them again at the meeting. Staff would ahead and set with radon which is a good thing so they could not do it in our face. They decide, well -- who I respect highly stand Lassiter in the company to see if they can find a way to do a second wait for feasibility under capacity. Also of problems. One is we continue to kick the can down the road and it was not -- you have one light so now I go to the city which I am supposed to speak to their city commission on Tuesday night after getting it thrown in my face that it is our fault, sticking up for the county saying no it is not, I said I will come to your commission and we will have a discussion because I am tired of getting e-mails -- towing the other under the bus and I finally got tired of it is that I will come and talk. Look, there is a lot going on, can you put it at the beginning of the meeting. I was assured and expect 30 to be there. At 7:30 rolls around and there talk about emergency sex offender ordinance and I look at the manager is a what is going on here? I have to go. I am under time constraints. They took me off because they said the meeting prolonged it but all of the residents that are in their our at the meeting, they are ready to speak. But let -- the next day have elected officials blaming me for leaving saying I am not taking it serious and it is my fault that this has not been done when I am told by the city manager this has been taken off the agenda. We thought it was moved because of this meeting. What I want and I hope this counselor will do is in 30 days we need to issue a letter to the city of Port Orange is that you have 30 days. Their report will be done in 10. .With in 10 days three days ago. He shortly it will be done in one week. We need to say, once and for all in 30 days you tell us what you want to do. We are willing to turn on the light. We have set it for three years -- two years that we are willing to turn the light on. I decision has to be made. I am tired of the back and forth and tired of being blamed. All I ask for is tell the city, make up your mind. You have 30 days to do it. Take an official position on paper can stop the fighting behind-the-scenes.

If I can --

That I land on this --

Pretty good. I want to expand slightly. I am going to expand slightly. The understanding when we met with radon, what we were discussing was that the property opposite towns west is owned by the city. Okay. So if you grow Williamson, property on the opposite side is owned by the city. The CD is anticipating that property developing. They have -- the city is anticipating that property developing. They have -- in entryway into that property that can also connect up to radon. So that radon would continue to have years of the lines for a southbound turn to meet their safety concerns. What we have indicated to the city is a few build that entryway -- city is if you build that entryway -- that would meet all of the warnings. The light to the North that Raydon is currently using would no longer be necessary and that can go on just blinking. The truck traffic that comes out of Raydon primarily uses right-hand turn going North on Williamson to get up to the interstate. It is unaffected by the light. The lights purpose is for the southbound movement where people are concerned about making a left-hand turn on Williamson. The best solution seems to be based on that premise. The city will build that entryway providing to Raydon. It will meet all of the warrant for a light on Williamson and the light to the North would be put on a blinking status until it was warranted and that the solution we have posed. That is what the city is pursuing right now. Raydon has a consultant looking at this. We have indicated, I believe , as clearly as possible that this needs to be a one light solution and belief there is an opportunity to do that and it is when the intersection is constructed that the light can be activated.

Yes. I think that is the important part is that the city has the property. The issue for Raydon and I absolutely respect their position is the deal was to get the light. That with the economic development deal. The city has the property. If you look at the map , Raydon is the one in the middle up right there. The light is the one to the north their property, where it is now trying to build it now. The issue is if you go through that property, the city property, their consideration is that it will devalue their property in actuality it should actually increase it having two quarters. -- Having two quarters. Trinity will be able to go to that having -- going south and so forth which was of their trucks do, the canceled the board. Now cover this being said, I am not really opposed to , if it can be agreed upon that two lights works but I just do not see it happening. Maybe it's does that maybe it doesn't, I don't know. We need should finally put this to rest until the city to take a position and make up your mind and let's get this done. That is all I ask is let's please put a 30 day time limit on it to get it done. It is is driving everyone --

I think we are going to be able to have answers within that timeframe. I think we've left the meeting with that understanding.

So basically what we have today? We have to have a motion in the second and just do it or do we just do a quick

I don't think we need it [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ]

The last time it got us in a lot of trouble.

I'm going to give a thumbs up.

Mr. Wagner, --

I am surprised [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ] >> How about we do this. I think he explained to get a very frustrating situation that needs to be resolved and to make it real clear, when they put this cut through their, all Raydon is going to do is you pick which driveway you want to go out of Raydon. That is all it comes down to. You throughout this driveway or the struggling. Is right off your property. Installs it for everybody. Why don't you get this. You give me the update and report back at the next meeting on where we are at.

I think that is there. We all need to understand this is on the radar with the hope that everybody is saying a, this sounds like something that we should try to get done. That is enough for me to feel that maybe the city commission understands a. I'm not blaming the city commission. Absolutely think this is something they don't understand. What is being lost if we gave the city the option and they accepted it. We are not the bad guy.

They made a decision when it was not as warranted as we believe it should have been. We say you want to -- they did. Now, like always they do not want to take ownership and get you ready for this -- guess who is always the culprit. Every time they run into a problem with their citizens, we are the culprit. Because we allowed them to put the light where they wanted to and they never want to own up to the fact that that is exactly what we did. We wanted to be a partner and we said if you want it there, you have one light, put it there.

I guess basically my question is we said you can put the lights there if you want. Wherever you want. They put it there and done they are having a problem with it. Can we take our like back and go home or can we move the light work which within tumuli?

We really want to have a solution covers everybody.

I agree with Josh. I used to live there in Port Orange and it was while coming off -- you come up for 15 A you think you will come across they are in town West and you come out there to Williamson Road and I am on a motorcycle, my goodness. You can get killed. This is not -- it is not a problem to get killed there. I always wondered why they have --

You want to know the real ridiculous thing? I put this traffic light of their and then at work like the afternoon, to have a cop out there directing traffic. Why do you have a traffic light if you have a cop there directing traffic so they can come out of work and go home?

They have actually -- it is my understanding that they no longer have a cop there because it has gotten so pages they do not want to put the officers in a position. I am not getting. That is actually real. I've been told that.

You have a traffic light, atrophic control system and you have the human traffic control system and it is really ridiculous.

I agree with you. If we could move that -- if we can talk with them and if they can't live that down so I am okay with that. One street. Is all you need.

This is a problem. This is what in essence it is they need to make the decision one way or another. I know they are pushing for two lights. That is the ultimate goal is to have two lights. Our position has always been and continues to be and I spoke in to John Chaney about this five times, it does not warrant it. It does not warrant it and I am not opposed to their consultant coming in and trying to show that it is, but it continues to drag out when the ultimate issue is you have all these things that could be done around this property, people paying into PUD, increase taxes in the city does not want to put a path, a roadway in their property because they do not want to do value it. They have been taking everybody's tax dollars. At some point they need to just pony up and say we made this decision, but correct it. We are trying -- we are on the team. We are saying we will move it. Exotic we are saying we won't. We are doing our part I just want to make everybody aware that is something that needs to get done. Thank you.

Whatever you need me to give us far as that --

Thank you. Another issue that has come up and it is getting -- I have had two different city commissioners -- mayor and a city commissioner discussing this, I talked to John Nolan about this is possibly looking -- I know it has come up before, but possibly looking at front -- at the paper that each ramp in [ Inaudible ]. The beach ramp, one ramp -- the beach ramp, one ramp north of the park that we paid for as Volusia County citizens -- right after the second Ormond Beach Park side where they want to be able to go down on and off the beach, it is closed and they have been having some serious concerns. If you're listening to any talk radio or anything along those lines we have been getting beat up constantly over its. I asked John Nolan and told him I was going to bring this up but it be accountable allow him to look at alternatives to see if it is not funding change but if there is driving change to possibly meet the cities desires. I do not know what the solution would be. I don't know if there is a solution, but the city is asking us and we might as well look. So that is actually, with Beech 50 right now, Mr. Nolan is maintenance authority and he will maintain whatever is a those available right now. We will get a report back from beach safety to see why it is the way it is now and what we think the options should be in terms of opening that up.

Thank you. I would like to extend an offer to every city commissioner out there, instead of beating this up in the news where we don't know about the issue, if you could just send me an e-mail or phone call or letter, a simple gesture of Haycock of this is an issue can you really look at this or officially as a city commission, as a whole, send a letter with the mayors -- to actually make a change is -- yes. The same thing we did to the state, I get it. Everybody does it and hates the upper level. The ship program -- where are we on that? The apprenticeship program do you want to get updates? Janine did read with reptiles and a number of other people and there is a difference of opinion. Let me just say on what they think they should do so we are still working with it and we need to meet with Jim and updating him and going from there.

If we get to a point where -- if the Council agrees it may help to facilitate to get this done. If we get to a point where there are just some key things that we have differences in as opposed to those of the group, maybe how we handle -- but then picked things like big items as a business where -- maybe we can help facilitate it to get it done. I know that will not be right now but after. -- These are the loop with the group, Brad Giles and other people in that group have differences of opinion --

With themselves -- [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ] they are not in alignment so we were going to update Jim and find out what our next step might be to find out if there is any consensus and there are also some legal issues involved.

We are still working on it.

What you -- some people are close shop and other people are not. Some people believe we are open to that but we do not close shop. You get that urchin and that is part of what is going on.

Okay. On our part of those of us who do these various groups, maybe we need to Assunta have a unified position or if they are going to be separate to separate themselves into two different positions so that maybe we end up with three positions or possibly to and then it is easier for us.

Will find out where we are individually our bring you something.

Okay. Thank you. The last one is -- actually, that if it. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Wagner. Ms. Cusack?

Figure, Mr. Chair. I have a letter from one of our constituents that is talking about a drainage problem in front of her house were there has been flooding. Can you talk to me about this. I think you received a letter on this. .

[ Inaudible ] I may have mispronounced her name. We have been working with Ms. rain check on numerous phone calls with numerous visits to try to try to resolve her concern. We have been out to that site various times to clean and expect those dreams she is concerned about. We have honed or hangers out there, we have yet to see her face-to-face. She will not answer the door. She does not leave a phone number for her to call back on. This dates back to when [ Inaudible ] was involved and prior to that point [ Inaudible ] had a little difficulty with this lady. She is hard to satisfy. We have been out there numerous times . In fact that I have records right here that I was going to show you after the meeting to give an idea of how many times we have been out there. -- Been out there to inspect her drains. I don't know what else to say. >> We can have a side discussion on that, but I think that what we really should do is get her something in writing since we cannot talk to her on the telephone.

We have done that.

She has received --

She has received a letter from us it is just never enough.

Okay. We will have some conversation because I would like to see -- she seems like she is in a hopeless situation. She perceives it as being hopeless.

Yes ma'am eat

If we could get together and talk about it.

Absolutely.

Okay. And then I just want to announce that those of you that can't attend the graduation ceremony for the seven Volusia County DUI Court it will be held on January 28 at 10 AM at the Salvation Army in Daytona. Thank you. That is it for me, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Maritza Avila-Vazquez.

Yeah any closing comments, Sir?

Just a couple, Mr. Chairman. First thing is where are we on the fertilizer ordinance?

>> Telly McKeen growth of resource management. Actually we have made a significant amount of progress on the fertilizer ordinance. I would like to thank [ Inaudible ] with the legal department. She has created a draft of the fertilizer ordinance. Also asked us to create a draft starting with the model ordinance and then bringing back data and analysis for your consideration to see if counsel would like to add additional elements to that fertilizer ordinance think so legal and environmental seven. I think we have compiled that information and we are planning to bring all of that to you for your consideration as a discussion item first and if you choose to direct us to do more than the model, then we will certainly I meant that draft. Marianne " I don't know if you want to talk about the water workshop at all that was related. Now. Okay.

Any projection on when that will be?

We were hoping how do I think it of next month or beginning of March? Do you have that?

The earliest I think I would put it on Mr. Daniels is the second meeting in February only in the sense that this is the issue I am having is that we only have five members that will be here for the next meeting and was of these issues are ones where all seven members would like to be there ago at least six of you. The earliest we will do it is the 20th and -- the 20th will be a big day because I am putting off a lot. Until then. If we can get it on their we will put it on their the 20th.

Okay. Thank you. The next thing I want to bring up is we have two things from the tone of. One here recently ocean one was -- recently -- one was a summary of an economic study and the physical impacts of the project and the other was a letter from -- let's see -- from Ryan Leary from Jacoby development and certainly project and of course last night the city of Daytona Beach past -- misdiagnose, if counsel like to send this material but I can't pass a copy of the letter specifically. I have extra copy for someone wanted for them right now.

Okay. -- A good thing for the area. When I met with them, what I am asking for is one half of the tax increment for the project and when ever I kind of list them on the basis for that, I didn't really it unclear answer and the economic study that we have shows that indeed the project has a significant economic impact but again it does not show what the need for the money yes. A year or so -- money is. So back the city of Daytona -- public-private partners statute that -- this particular project may not come under the for orders of it. Arguably extends, but it may not come under the four corners of it but I think it gives us a good framework to do an analysis of this project and the whole point of this statute is that when you enter into these kinds of things you need to know what you're getting into. What you need to do is ask a developer for all of the projections such as projections for the project and you need to analyze them. If you don't have the in-house expertise to analyze them you need to go out and higher it. If you need to go out and higher expertise outside of the government then what you do is charge the developer for that. All of those seem like reasonable things to me, reasonable measures that we should take . What we would need is with the projections, a detailed cash flow analysis, we would need a backup for all of that and that would include the construction contract, the design , they have a lot of memoranda of leases and we would need those to see what the rents was going to be and get a handle on exactly what the project is going to produce, exactly what the shortfall is because if we really look at it, there may be other ways that we can help them achieve their goal without actually giving up half of the tax increment revenue. I just wanted to bring this to your attention, Mr. manager and say that we need to do our due diligence on this. We do not want to be caught short on it.

Thank you, Mr. Daniels. I will comment on that and it obviously interested in counsel comments. I do believe that your guidance is correct. I think we have to do average intelligence. I met with them, I expressed to them originally my concern when there was any talk about a CRA idea which is increment. They understood and they said they understood that. I am going by what I believe councilmembers -- of these new members over the last year not counting old members because that is just like revenue. It is not what you are buying. This letter as you see, I asked them to identify a number to start talking about what it is for. Basic infrastructure. They have a general number here. There are no specifics to speak of. The conversation I had with them was that I think the focus of if they're going to ask us for something would have been on the project and the amount of money and like you said, how we would do that, I really believe -- I think asking for the increment is like asking for how you pay for something better than what you are paying for. I think it ought to be left up to us if the Council decides they want to do something, I get you there other creative ways to skin a cat but in the long run it is -- let me put it this way. It is easier to defend in charge of the public what you did. You can point to exactly, show a price tag and the somebody says what did you pay for I can send it on the concrete as a this is what I paid for and they can check and that is what it costs. I think it is important in this project. I do think that based on what you just said, I could not agree more that I think you need a third-party to analyze this for the Council. I do believe as you saw in this letter we are getting asked. It is low on -- it is pretty open to what we are getting asked that let's put it this way, I know they are asking for assistance. Know how you define persistent, I think we will have to go down that road . Which is how is they have a number. Now, part of what is going to happen if they went to the city I guess last night and got the CBP approved. That is just Luby taxing mechanism to tax themselves. My understanding is that they are going to try to work with the city to try to fix this gap they have. They said it is a gap but I think what Mr. Daniels is talking about is how do you define the gap they would visit me know what you buying. That has not been determined yet. I know they are working with the city. Based on what the Council wants to do, I could start a process to try and get someone, a third party to help us do that. Are so I don't think we have anybody in-house who could help us do that. I also think people would be skeptical if we used anybody in-house. I think you would want someone from the third party who told you what the gap is and that the. I do think they are on their own time frame of moving along because of the connection between the property on one Daytona or Daytona rising and Daytona rising. So that in that sense, I think time is of the essence. I could use some real direction here on what the Council would like me to do, if anything, at this point.

Well, as I said, I really do think that what we need to do is do our due diligence on it and have a defensible position. What we don't want to do is just to appropriate a lot of taxpayer money without knowing what the deal is, without knowing what we are getting into and perhaps the surprise later on peer we really do need to know and if we need to get outside expertise to evaluate their numbers and advice on which way to go, that that is what we should do. Particularly if there is a possibility we could structure this some way that would cost us less money but meet their needs at the same time.

Is that it?

Guess, Ms. Hassan have mesh yes, Ms. pattern has her light on. Do you two want to arm wrestle the new customers?

It doesn't matter to me. Miss Northey, they disperse.

Okay. I have read mailed to letters and I listened intently to an interview on the [ Inaudible ] show that was done with a gentleman about this project and I am now were clear on it on what I was -- what the financing is what they are asking from us today than I was then. I am very concerned, I do not support tax increment financing. If it is a CRA in sheep's clothing it will not get my support because I do not support the CRA. We cannot continue to give away our tax dollars on projects that are good, but we are going to be hit by a number of cities who are also coming in and asking us to give back some of our dollars that we collect. If there is a process that we want to go down, that is one thing but in the end I don't want to have anybody think that this process leads to an outcome of tax increment financing because it does not for the.

Figure, Miss Northey. Mr. Patterson and that Mr. Wagner.

If I understand what the financing will be like for sewer and water and the like of that, correct expect we don't know what it is.

It depends on what the city best. In other words, first of all, all of the infrastructure is in the city. The roads, the water, this sort. They have serious issues with water, sewer [ Inaudible ]. I know they are talking to the city about that. What they will structure with them, I do not know. They can to structure deals based on whether they make it a grant, on whether they charge them water and sewer fees over a period of time. I do not know. I have also asked them if their manager -- have asked to have their manager define to me because I think. Request is -- I know it is because we are different from them because it is in the city and it is there water and sewer system. I think they want us more financial to pay for this. In the case of the city, the city could actually do some of the water and sewer and provide a way that is real money but they would do it more the capital and cash. I have asked the manager, you have to help define what cash you are talking about. To speak to Ms. Northeast point in a the Mr. Daniels point, if you were going to talk incentive grant which I think you are looking at, and I think we are very -- we are being very consistent because I know we have told the people who are coming in for CRA that unlike the old CRA you delete do want to do what is the project exactly and what is the price tag? In other words, however you find that whether do cash or if you decide which I have apprehensions about doing it again, the increment -- operating costs for whatever. The impression I get from the speedway is they are not asking for that in terms of operating costs in the future . It would be a real capital thing. That is capital grants. If we brought in a third-party to look at the value of doing this, the return on investment and whether you want to do that is one thing. I would tell you that I believe and my financing all believe that there are better ways for this government and for the taxpayer and I think it is better for the speedway because there would not be an argument then is to find other creative ways even if we financed it ourselves. I really do believe that we have just as much ability -- if you are paying for it, the difference between CRA and the speedway is the CRA tell you, this is what they say, we will collect the money over time and then as we collect the money, we will put into the capital based on the income that comes in and in some cases they can borrow based on that income. Here, the speedway wants to put in the capital all up front so that is a big difference. What I am saying is, and I talked to the consultant and the speedway people and also the developer ago and they have no clones that -- I think they said to me we did not want to get ahead of you but if you want to do something for us, that is short choice and how you do it they respect now is really up to the government. What I am saying is we can look at at the same time, should you decide to do something, how we would finance it and I am telling you, I think I can do it internally cheaper , better for the taxpayer, better for the speedway in the sense that you can define exactly what you spent and where it went. It would that be an open revenue source, it would be a project with a defined price tag that you would now about and I think we can do that internally better. I think you control your future better.

But we still need to know the details or anything in front of us, Mr. manager, and I was actually quite apprised that the city without much discussion adopted that is a [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ]

I think that is different. What the adopted in the CDP was just an authority to allow them to attach themselves. >> If I understood correctly, they already said that is not going to raise enough funds for them to do that.

That is part of the letter that we got this is if they do that they will have a gap. I think with Mr. Daniels which is at least the impression I got when he brought up today is you need somebody to verify, wonder what the gap is, to, what the exact project is and when you say what the project is, I think poor taxpayers if you say, I am paint -- we have done is on other economic development. I and hang for this red carpet this sidewalk about this water. You are making a conscious decision -- [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ] public infrastructure that is publicly use. The speaker understands that but you are going to have to show people that the sidewalk they are free to walk on, the parking lot they are free to park in is worried your public money went. I really think a third-party would have to identify that and my point is how you pay for that , we have different options that I think are better than in increment for us and for the citizens in the long run. And I think are more affordable.

Where I have a problem is if we are giving them money for sewer and water, the infrastructure and then the city of Daytona Beach is --

I can tell you right now. We would not do it for sewer and water. In other words, I do believe -- there is an issue that it is in the city, there is a mechanism for that, the city collects money for capital and that has to go into those projects and there are ways to collect some of that back in terms of the company's and however they charge. I believe that some of the greatest need is what storm water but is also parking and road and pedestrian walkways and lighting. All things that are clearly -- and we talk to them, that are clearly public. I will have a free public usage. For example I know they wanted to build some parking and they are talking about having some private residence. You couldn't paper the parking that goes for the private residence if you have a parking lot that is open to the public that they can use, did you know what you bought and those are legitimate things for public infrastructure that are very common and economic development projects. What I think you need to know is not only what's the gap and what's the need and is there a real need, you need to know exactly what you are paying for. What I think you do not be here, we asked them to show us where they are at in terms of their designs and so [ Inaudible ] I was out of town they already met to do over just the first elementary look at the construction joints and some of the design they already have so I know they are in the process of doing that but it needs to go further than that and I think I am hoping that this open letter was just an opening request. That is the impression I got from them was to start the dialogue. I felt very comfortable in saying this was not what they consider their full ask. Think that they are going to have to be a lot more specific. This was just to make sure they sort of stakeout -- sort of a placeholder. They wanted you to know that the expectation is to make this project successful on the scale that they believe they need to do, that they are going to ask for some perspective by us on that gap. I think we are a long way from knowing exactly what those details are. I will tell you that we've made it clear and they understand that it is those public projects that we can identify that the public will use and in this case, Mr. Patterson, water and sewer was in the [ Inaudible ] of the city and not us. >> Just something, not try to change the subject here but I sent you, Jim, a news story about what is going on in Broward County right now where the County commission down there has said no to CRA and the cities are threatening to sue. I think that is something we ought to follow on what is going on down there with the CRA because the County commissioners there are fed up with the whole CRA concept in Broward County. They are not going to approve any for the cities right now.

I think one of the issues and I think that is why I am being consistent and I think I heard this loud and clear is that one of the great frustrations is that the old CRA were not structured around a specific project and a specific price. Now unless I am wrong, we have been telling the cities to tell us they want to come for that the expectation is it will be a defined project, find parameters at a specific price because I know a couple of you have told me you would not be interested in certain elements that they consider a public improvement. You may be interested in others. The way it worked before which I can see as being of frustration to the Council here at least the current members which I know is a frustration in some of the other counties is it is like give me your money and later on I will tell you what you paid for. Or what I did with it. Not even what I built. It can be things that are programs.

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I really need some direction because I do think there is an expectation that we would move relatively quickly because of their needs but I need to know based on Mr. Daniels comment, give me some direction and I will do what you want me to do. I like the idea of getting a third-party but I really would like to know what the whole counsel -- this is a big deal. It is a lot of money. It is a big deal. It is a very exciting project. I am willing to move on but I need your direction on what you want me to do.

I will make one final remark. It is very hard, Mr. manager, to make any commitment with the level of information I have today. If it means going out as Mr. Daniels has recommended and gathering data, I am open to that. I will say it again, I do not in any way want that to be assumed that I am going to support X, wide, Z because I do not have the information today.

I guess I saw it more as getting direction for me to tell them we will consider their request. Part of the consideration is to do the review, of the questions and find out -- in other words, you have not limited to -- you are going to look into the request. The request is to get somebody to help us look into the request and it will require a lot of detail.

Yes. I am okay with that.

That I need to know. I am not going to get another counsel on this. This is a big deal so I need some direction.

Mr. Wagner, yet been very patient here. You have a direction? Mac --

I am probably -- I see this a little differently I guess. We have never had this happen. As is the most exciting thing to hit Daytona Beach and Volusia County and its existence. A $1 billion project as one project happening. Billion. Billion. We bend over backwards for all sorts of -- things we spend money on for economic development sometimes don't work. Some of them do and I am happy with it but we spend a lot of money on it. If you took that and that I can bring in a $1 billion project , you figure out ways to get it done. I don't want to approach it in a way I feel like is almost a negative anything. You don't have enough, this a bad thing, I absolutely without a doubt have all the trust in the world in Glen Ritchie. He is an honorable man, a trustworthy man, a good man, the same with [ Inaudible ]. He is a key part of that as far as sitting on it, as far as the public trust. You will not I and another man with more integrity than Linda Ricci. His heart and soul is in that city and he believes in giving back and I don't think we should approach it in this manner. I don't think it is the right way. Do we think we need more? Yes. But I think we can do it in a way was I would like to do these things, but as a County there are certain requirements we are going to have to our stakeholders, our citizens. I don't think it is in a negative way. This is in the phase where they are still putting things together and working on projects in the past and other thing not as big as this one as an attorney but smaller projects, sometimes you don't have all of the answers right away but you can't get them. I think we can do that in a respectful way and realize what would we do to bring an outside Corporation here to do a $1 billion project? I can tell you I know of a couple $100 million projects where we are doing a lot more. But not hurt the ones that are here and keeping it here. Let's keep it respectful and treat our own as we would like to be treated.

You know a wise person once told me, instead of looking for the jobs out there and working jobs here, what about the jobs that are year. We need to keep them and nurture them and make sure they stay here. Mr. Daniels, would it be okay if I let Ms. Cusack go ? There are so many clearly in front of me anyway. I am number two here. Go ahead and let Ms. Cusack go. Has not weighed in yet. Ms. Cusack, please click

That you, Mr. Chair. I just have a couple of comments to make. I am excited about the fact that there is an opportunity for us to be partners in the alien dollar deal -- in the $1 billion deal and I think that what I would recommend or what I would like to see is that we continue to proceed to be a partner in this. We don't have all of the answers because maybe all of the answers are not there yet but I, like Josh, I don't want to close our eyes to this and pass up this opportunity. I think this is a great opportunity for Volusia County. If we can bring in this type of facilities that it would benefit us in many ways. I don't think it has to be a part of the infrastructure of water and sewer but I think we ought to be open-minded and willing to proceed, get someone on board who can help us to analyze where we are, but just being in mind well -- but just be mindful that we want to do due diligence if you will for the citizens and it includes making progress in economic development. This is economic development, and I think that we ought to take a positive position that you're we are here, we are listening and we are willing to partner with you in this endeavor. The money we will have to have discussions but I certainly don't want it to appear that we would back away from an opportunity like this so for me, Mr. Dinneen and Mr. Chair I think we need to move forward and look at the ins and outs and be a major partner in this endeavor. Thank you.

Are you getting any direction on this, Mr. Dinneen?

I'm listening to everybody.

Okay. Thank you. Mr. Daniels.

Ms. Denys has weight and. G first.

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Ms. Denys the floor has been pleased to you.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This discussion is about money. It is a great project and we all want to see this succeed .

That is correct.

Everyone of us here, one think we agree on is we want this to succeed. This is a great thing for Daytona and Volusia County, however, the ambiguous piece of it and the third paragraph, we would still face of shortfall of approximately $40 million and they are hoping that we can adjust some of these costs. First of all we need to know what the city of Daytona is going to -- if we're looking at $40 million, how much of that is Daytona going to absorb or are willing to come to the table with, but clearly, this is a letter of request for intent to go forward because the last paragraph, the last statement says, please consider this letter our request for Volusia County support [ Inaudible ] so I think what we are saying is yes for support, just for partnership and guess were investment, but how much? This again is one of those issues that we need a firm dollar amount because as I am sitting here and granted I'm not as comfortable as maybe some of my colleagues in this process only because of time, excuse me, but we had a possibility of maybe an extra $50,000 for CFAB. Were going to find the money? We are struggling with that. We are -- shortfall for several. We have projects that we know our unfunded or need to be supported with more funding so what I would need to see is if we are going to participate, how are we going to -- where are the dollars going to come from for how long, how are we going to get there? Just like CRA coming lowered. I agree with you, Mr. manager, business and questions I would want asked -- I would want answer. These our request to partner and of course we are all supportive of that, but I think we need some real numbers, some real dollars and overall timeframe and then how that would impact the budget and existing projects. We have word -- we have roads that need repair. Were is the funding, how does it happen? I would need to know all of that. That is what I would ask. That you, Mr. Chair.

Now Mr. Daniels.

I will go ahead. I understand were somebody might interpret this to be negative, but as Ms. Denys that, everybody wants to see this project go. Nobody wants to see anything happen to it. If the contribution of the county was necessary to make it go, I think everybody on this dais went do anything they could to provide what they needed to make sure the project went. We need to know what the numbers are. We need to know where the shortfall is. We need to know if there is any chance since we are investors, since we are a partner that we can recoup some of this money down the road. There are many issues to work out and the only way to work them out is to know the numbers. You never go into a partnership with somebody without knowing who you are dealing with and what the numbers are, what the projections are. Any partner that you got is entitled to that information. If we are to be a partner, we are entitled to that information and we should have it before we go forward. That is not negative. Using the Florida public private partnership statutes as a model for how we behave is not negative. That is how the state of Florida the year before Lasher decided these things need to be done and what they really do emphasize is that the local government understand the deal it is getting into. There is a great deal of detail in there about the report and the financial information the government should get and it talks about the government going out and hiring the expertise that it needs to make that work and indeed charging fees that covers the expenses, the out-of-pocket expenses. At least that. That is just the way you do things. That is the way you do business. You do not go in business even with the best intentions not knowing what the deal is because what will happen down the road and I have seen it happen many times when people did not understand is that one party will have one understanding, the other party will have another understanding and is just great trouble. You need to iron all this stuff out on the front end. That is what the statute is all about. It is set up to make sure that happens and that is what we need to do. That is how you do business. Thank you.

Mr. Patterson.

Thank you. I don't think anybody up here is intentionally being disrespectful if that is the thought. I think we are all just trying to get some answers and that does not mean anything. It would be disrespectful to the taxpayers out there if we didn't do our due diligence in making sure that we are doing something that is right for them also. I just would not let anybody listening out there think that we are trying to diss anybody. We are just trying to do what we need to do as selected officials and to be responsible to our constituents and to the public.

Mr. Wagner.

For clarification I stand behind my statement that it was absolutely disrespectful. There are ways of doing things. You get a letter and you say, hey, would like more information on this and this and this. You'll come in when you have one of our largest corporate partners asking instead we're going to be a billion-dollar projects saying based on statutory language that we have a right for this information. All we have to do is say yes, would like more information. We think this is amazing but we need a little bit more to move forward. That is it. There is no reason to bring in any sort of negativity to. Is as a very positive thing and I think they will provide that information. I don't see why they would not. They have been great partners in the past obviously with the property and the for clauses and all of the projects we have worked on. I don't see it as an issue at all. I think it is a great thing. If you're looking for direction I think the easiest thing is it sounds like all of the council members are asking for more information which I am sure they would provide.

I believe I heard some very specific language that Mr. Daniels had recommended and that would be my position.

I still have the floor.

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Mr. Wagner still does have the floor.

Okay. My suggestion is that we need a little bit more information. You have been told by the other Council members what they have been looking for. Obviously some specifics on the project, some of the return, but the shortfall is, but I want to put on the record that I am not saying we go by the statutory language of what they are required to do on the onset. You can inform them that these things exist , but I don't want to approach it in that type of negative manner. I really so far.

Well. Everybody got a say so far. Except for me. I always kind of sit around and wait for last. I do have a question, what would be the possibility of you and the city manager of Daytona and construction the design team of NASCAR sit down and actually look at this thing and say, we had a foreigner million dollar project over here, a $285 million project was over here, you guys have this under control, what are you looking for exactly from the city and from us and maybe possibly talks to them and say we can give it to you and capital versus cash like you said earlier. You are the negotiator and I think if we can get some of that information like everybody has been assigned, we need just a little more number -- we need to know what that number is that they want us to go to and that is the easy part. Now the hard part is everybody else agrees, now we have to find it. That might be a little more interesting of an idea. I agree we need some more information . Has any of this helps you with your direction, Sir?

I believe so. Here is the issue I have. Not [ Inaudible ] making but -- their time frame is very quick. I think that they have an expectation that they have a time frame that is very aggressive and they can be aggressive because they are a private sector company. In the case of I thought some of their stuff in relationship to what they were asking was optimistically -- optimistic in terms of how fast we could turn something around especially with public dollars predicament I made was that if the Council wanted to follow up on this and move forward that we would go as fast as humanly possible given the process that I have to follow. Here is what I think I hurt if I boil this all down. Number one, I think -- I believe that -- I need somebody to help me so I will look at who we get into help us. I think we all agree that we have to know exactly -- before we even to determine -- we have to look at what the need is, but I think we have to look at what capital infrastructure they are talking about. I think we have to identify specifically in terms of the gap, what capital is the gap? Because I think that one of the criticisms that counties have gotten with CRA among others is I don't see what I got out of it, somebody did a party or a wine walk and I don't see it all. I think in the final analysis that people have a right to say I understood that if the county paid for this it is in the parking rise. It is this sidewalk I can use. It is this road. There is never any argument what the public paid for and the public has a right to it. One of the nice things about us not having to do water and sewer because I do think the city acknowledges that is their responsibility is that is one part of the infrastructure that citizens would appreciate. Is tell them, trust me all of those pipes you get benefit of under the ground are there, get it might be but I am not sure they appreciate that as -- A she parked in which calls between thousand dollars to build is open for your used to use these stores. I think first I need to understand and I do believe that the speedway clearly understands that they have to provide this. I think we have to define what is the infrastructure that needs to be built. I do think that in partnership with the city, the city is trying to figure out what the ask is of them and what they can do. I think this on what the city is willing to do based on whatever -- they have to decide on their own how far to go but if I have an understanding of what they will do then it helps narrow down the gap and then I will know better what is expected of us. There is no way to get around it from us. Or is Stonestreet -- it is not our street. All of our digital -- of infrastructure. That's to me and -- they understood this, getting around this increment idea because that is too fuzzy for people is a straightforward grant, we look at how we can do it ourselves if you want to do it is I think understandable and dependable to the public if you think it is a good return on your investment. That is a separate thing I can't look at for how you would fund things like that. I think what I need is somebody to help me figure out with the speedway, what the request is they are asking of us especially after they figure out what they can get from the city of Daytona Beach. Then we can get into the whole issue and it depends on how far you want to go on this of how -- why it is a gap and why it is needed and how that would be defended. I think that is sort of a separate analysis and there may be some difference of opinion on the Council on how far you go and how much -- how many questions you have to ask if to what depth you go. I do think I hear a consistent approach from the Council that they are supportive of the idea to look into it, they are supportive of the company, they want to make sure this project gets off the ground. I think that everyone of you, if you ever agree to any kind of incentive would want to be able to defend it and show it to people in hard concrete that you can show what you paid for it. If that is the direction at this stage, I need to get started. If everyone says that just, I think that is the process we want to follow to get started, I will tell you that in my discussions with the speedway, they will not be surprised by us taking a position. I think they would find it -- I think they would think it is respectful for us to know the details and I think you will find in their letter that they did not assume that you would not ask for those details. I still see this letter as more of a placeholder for us to start the process. If you give me the go and say you need to look at this, Mr. manager, I will try to figure out a way to get started on that as quickly as possible but they are on a pretty short timeframe that I did not create. They did and I do think I have to try to respect is the second their time frame and the responsibilities we have up here in a schedule of how often you meet every month. I am willing to try and go forward if that is the direction I got from everyone which is to start looking specifically at what the actual infrastructure replacement needs are and try to define those. Then we can get into the other pieces.

Mr. manager, I think it is critical that you look at what the need is and that be the first thing that you look at because if there is no need for our investment, we should not make it. If there is a need and that is a different issue but you should really take a look at that issue. That is a threshold issue. Any time somebody comes to a city and wants to do a deal in the redevelopment area, what you do is -- you find out if you can meet that need some other way rather than just got a check for it I think you were on the right track but I do think the during the need is absolutely critical. It is something that you had to do, something that the taxpayers would expect. We cannot just cut a check to one of the wealthiest companies in -- certainly the wealthiest in this county and what of the wealthiest in Florida without knowing that the money is necessary to make the project go. It just does not make sense.

I will communicate that if that is [ Inaudible ] Council.

Ms. Cusack, yes or no?

She is a yes. Mr. Wagner? Mr. Patterson? >> Yes.

Okay. Goforth. Ebersol.

Will do.

All right. Who were we talking to -- go forth. Be fruitful.

To you Lisa for Mr. Davis?

I do.

Ms. Denys. She said she only needed 2 minutes.

Can you passes down please? Please work

Now you're asking me to work for you.

No. Work with me, Mr. Chair.

Take one of have them down, is that the answer.

This is --

What is this?

I spoke with Mr. Britain earlier. Early on, be turned Bill Bay Bridge Road in new Smyrna Beach, we started working significant get the funding from astronaut on phasing and were successful, there is a gentleman has been very integral in this process, Mike Eder along with Senator. Hugo and the -- new Smyrna Beach and the mayor -- down there. Unfortunately, he has passed away, but I can tell you several months ago when we were at a homeowners association meeting and it turned Bill Bay essays cover the was a request by the citizens there to name the bridge after Mike Eder and the response was we do not do that. You had to be disease before we name a bridge after you. Yesterday at the service and the reception afterwards, I spoke with the mayor and vice mayor and several other people and there is great -- it is unanimous. Everybody I spoke to isn't a plea agreement that the community would like to consider naming the turned Bill Bay Bridge when it is done as the Mike Eder Memorial Bridge. I can tell you that Mayor, the vice mayor and others involved in this project are in agreement. I do not know how we do that, but the processes, but he was chairman of the city of the new Smyrna Beach neighborhood Council -- state homeowners Association. He was a great leader in the community. So I am putting that out there. This is his obituary for John that I gave you because that was the most condensed way of disseminating the gentleman was.

I guess somebody could just make a motion because we did it before.

Then I make a motion to make is to name the turned Bill Bay Bridge -- to name it the Mike Eder Memorial Bridge.

There is a motion to we name the bridge apparently after completion.

Yes.

To the Mike Eder Memorial Bridge.

I will second that.

But I do think we hit -- at one time didn't we talk about what we made that decision how we would implement it. I don't think that ever came back to the Council as far as signage and that kind of stuff.

Council, my recollection the did not want -- you wanted an open process that you could do it help whatever way you want.

Okay.

Can I say what happened? Every single one of the seven people have a different version of what they wanted. That is what happened. Not one of us -- not one of us agreed at all. When I say not agree, we did not agree to any of it. Everyone was so --

I think you are right.

Staff could literally not do anything. It -- there was nothing that could be done.

They are out there laughing at us. >> That is the way you remember it.

This is their therapy at the end of the day.

This is their therapy, coming in you're watching us.

Here's a motion in the second the table to go ahead and rename when this bridge is completed. Is there any legal reason why we could not do this?

I am getting a note from every attorney in the room . That is the first time I have ever seen more than one attorney agree. I saw three or four of them.

Okay. So there is a motion. Is there any discussion on that?

Please go ahead and -- I shall pause because we cannot do anything until this is resolved.

Paul's for the cost.

I am going to go on dangerous ground.

Be careful where you dread.

I want to make one suggestion that you make the motion to consider maybe at the next meeting just in case you get some feedback that you did not know where you have a concern.

You know, Mr. Manager, I think that is a good idea.

I say that with all due respect.

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Just don't make a motion just -- just as they put it on the next meeting for your own safety.

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I will vote for your motion. I will.

Wait a minute. Are is a motion and the second on the table unless they wish to remove.

I withdraw my motion.

Motion has been withdrawn. With on the next agenda to discuss it?

We can. You only have five people here. To will be don't.

I think we might need to be there for that.

I cannot imagine it will be a controversy.

Neither work dogs on the beach which is a unanimous vote of the Council.

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I would like to request that is postponed to to meeting some now. The 20th. Strength of the flu possible. Second with the idea that someone -- sort of like [ Inaudible ] if somebody has an objection let them speak now.

Or forever hold their peace.

By the 20th.

Okay. That will be set on the agenda for the 20. Anything, Ms. Denys?

No. Thank you. >> What you would turn the microphone on when you talk.

Might turn. Will this morning at 8:30, veterans organization came here called rolling thunder and they are not all veterans. They're a bunch of concerned citizens. This organization, a couple of us got the flyers putting on our desk. This organization is been around for a couple of years and their the organization that was very instrumental in getting the MIA, POW flag added to US code 10 as a national standard. Have been writing around in the county and they have been looking in our flagpoles. They have noticed that we do not have the MIA, POW flag in is appropriate position underneath the American flag in some of our county offices. They are not talking just here because it is here, they are not talking just in Daytona, they are talking firehouses and everywhere else. So they have requested this morning at 8:30 that we might look at that and say, hey, we would like to put the MIA POW flag underneath the American flag at every one of the Volusia County offices to include fire stations and everything to show the due respect. I told them I would bring that up this afternoon. They have offered to give us the first round of flags for free which is a pretty substantial savings. 200 or $300 right here. That is one thing that I would like to bring up your to this counselor and see if anybody would like to discuss that matter.

-- To this council and see if anybody wants to discuss that.

One of only bring in the fight but they will put it up for you. They will put the hook on it and put it up and everything.

Can I ask if we can talk Mike White's opinion. Yes Pendley dedicate them because I do not think he is your.

Macaca Mike is not here.

I have learned from being on the veterans [ Inaudible ] Memorial Bridge to be very cautious about --

Yes. Mike is also a past member of rolling thunder.

I think it would help.

I would like to get the veterans. I am not a veteran but I respect as I don't want to do anything -- Jessica I will tell you now that 90% I'm good to support is as long as they say there is not some sort of weird folders there are a lot of walls that I'm not familiar with. United States code 10 is of like a. If you are looking for now and you want to do it now I will support it now.

I tell you what. Like Mike White to come in and discuss it when he gets back. Is that okay with you?

Yes. But it will be one month from now because I will be out of town.

By the way, I am going out of town on the six. Our next meeting I will not be here so Mr. Patterson, you get to run the show, you lucky dog you.

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Vacate the chair. Anyway because I will be down at the central commission meeting trying to get us some advertising dollars. This is the type would we sit there and say send me the money. I will be down there painting them all up. And I only have one other final thing. I talked to Mr. Dan Frank Ottey and I have talked with Mr. Carl Watson and I have talked with a couple of our other board members around here . Ms. Denys, do you remember back in August when we said in September

when we said we are not going to support your budget until you bring us a plan. We want the business plan, a marketing plan for all of our advertising authorities. You do recall that?

I do.

Do not have one for anybody. [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ] the day he left, he said you may want to do something with this and he gave it to Dan and said there a short marketing plan, see you later and walked out. The [ Inaudible ] board does not have a marketing plan. I only know this because I got an e-mail that said here is a copy of our marketing plan and it was a PowerPoint presentation with nothing on it. Just up the presentation. It was really not very good. I don't know what we want to do on this. We do appoint the guys, this is our board, they do not have a marketing plan, I hate to see people spending money willy-nilly all over the place and not have a plans to do it. I don't know what you all want to do with it, but I will leave that up to whomever would like to make a -- what do you want to do?

I think I would like to -- I do not remember exactly. I remember the discussion and dialogue and part of the agreement -- the first time we sent all three back and did not approve the budget the first time, but the second time, I would have to look at exactly the Burbage, Mr. Chair. I know that we have requested a forensic audit of the [ Inaudible ] which was not done at the time request but it is my understanding that is in process. I think I would like to take a look at the Burbage. I am with you. If that was a request from counsel, it needs to be performed.

It is not only a request from counsel, it is a state law, County ordered in his in the bylaws.

Can I ask something the --

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If I recall correctly, the first presentation was made and we said this is great in this the budget but were is your marketing plan and that when they came back two weeks later --

I am not sure that they understand the direction we are looking for, Mr. Chairman. I think they thought when they were your last dose was at last week presenting the productivity represent the part of the marketing was merging together and maybe we need to be specific as to what -- I never can say that word is that you did a very good job.

What our expectations are because I can tell you Princeton on West Volusia, they do not have a lot of money so it is not going to be much to the marketing plan except here is how we are going to spend our money. What are you looking for --

I was just looking for something more than a 20 page PowerPoint presentation. -- Then a 20 page PowerPoint presentation. There is no dialogue or supporting documentation.

Are using --

I am looking for something a little more specific to say we are going to spend $4 million and here is where we are going to spend the $4 million and not every time because we have that in our budget, but here is our concept of marketing and it is a flexible flowing document. It is not rigid in stone but it says, we are going for each weeks and doing this and off we go and a prime example is without a marketing plan, do you know what is coming up in new Smyrna Beach this weekend?

The have the festival.

Images.

Images.

The seven of us know if, do you know that nobody else knows it because nobody has done him marketing plan to say this is going on.

I think images has.

That is a separate corporation.

I know. But the advertising authorities should be promoting that outside of their area like they are supposed to be doing for the advertising authority. I am just saying that we have a county ordinance, the bylaws, everything was in place, and we still don't have this to know where we are going. It is like --

Mr. Daniels has said that --

Mr. Daniels, Europe slowly right it is in the bylaws and the should have been provided. It is one of the things that are supposed to provide as a condition of us approving the budget. It was not there and as I recall, we had asked for it and the Halifax authority only submitted maybe one page of financials while they had a 17 page financial statement. They were supposed to give us that and they did not even do that. We have been rather lax with all of them . It sound like I am picking on this is that it is like every time I turn around and I think I'm done with this, something else shows up in the in just like , will come back, Mr. White I did not even that you are in town. We have a question for you in a moment. Every time I try to go, okay I'm done with this I'm going to close this book, something else jumped off the page and I like, we you please stop doing this I have other things to do. It does get kind of annoying. I don't know what we want to do your.

Maybe we need to have a template of exact weight what it is we are expecting. I don't agree with you, Mr. Chairman but I think we also have to take into consideration -- I don't disagree with you, Mr. Chairman but I think we had to take into consideration that there are different funding sources and so perhaps you want to come up with a template.

I can probably make that happen.

Okay.

I would like to [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ]

For the Council's approval.

But I do not want to micromanage the day-to-day operations and I think that is a slippery slope here. I think we should indeed send in a marketing plan, but and the parameters are going to become really different because their revenue is completely different and geographically is different. Some of the parameters will be the same but I do not want to tell West Volusia that they have to do exactly like [ Inaudible ] does or the [ Inaudible ]. I think demand within 30 days to present a marketing plan is a reasonable request .

Okay.

It is not news.

I demand it then. 30 days. Let's give these boards -- we have reports. I understand each one is going to be different --

That is just a suggestion. So Megan will be a big big thing like this and SVA will be that thick and maybe the website will be 10 pages. I understand each one is unique and different but it gives us summer to go and summer to start and that was just my biggest crazy thing that happened and then I got sick. And I know a lot of people were thinking about me and I survived anyway. Don't worry about it.

Mr. Chair, in the marketing plan, do you think that someone should generate a letter to the ad authorities giving them parameters as to what we are looking for in this marketing plan? Whatever they bring we want to make sure it is what we are looking for in a plan.

What we -- what I will do is on my computer I have a software that helps create these kinds of things and with the councils blessing I will go ahead and get something knocked out.

I will give it should Mr. Dinneen and look it over and have you guys do -- and we will sign off and send it to them.

Okay, Mr. White, you are the man with all of the questions. How are you doing today, sir?

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What an amazing thing. You sound better. Mr. White, Mr. Wagner had a question about the POW MIA flag.

With the issue as they came in and I supported I just do not want to do anything wrong if it comes down to it if that is the right word to use. They wanted to put a POW flag all our cycles with the American flag. I will provide the flags were free for the first time in another cause of the want to get from them again. I support it and I think it is a good thing as long as that is not an inappropriate action and you know from the committee --

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No, it is not an inappropriate action and we are working with rolling thunder in this project and the proper protocol would be of course the national colors that that is on a single flagpole to be at the top. If you're going to fly one but Bolan had the state colors would be next and then the POW MIA. The POW MIA is a nationally recognized flag so it can be flown. If you had to flagpoles it is a different set up.

So you are comfortable with the?

I am very comfortable with it and it was a. Smack Jason company and emotion?

The. I need my microphone on. That would take a motion because it would cover all government offices to include 500.

I have a motion from Mr. Wagner and the second from the sir Patterson. >> Good timing, Mike. How was your trip? I will talk to you later about it.

If I had a choice I would still be aboard the cruise ship, Sir.

Here and I thought you were in a professional branch of the military. Are you going 80 on me? -- Are you going maybe on me?

Mike and I are like brothers. [ Indiscernible - low volume ] related. Any other discussion? Mr. Eckert, is that discussed about the flex?

Note -- no, Sir. Is the prior discussion regarding the marketing plan. I think you're going to need to delegate the authority to the manager or you're going to need to bring it back. The idea that it would be shown for your individual approval outside the meeting is not --

Figure for clarifying.

Let's take your of this. Any further discussion on the flags? Was this that if we could. If there is none, all in favor signify by Aye.

Aye.

All of those? So carried.

Can you get a hold of rolling thunder for us? Did you, Sir. Mr. Manager?

I guess we have to send the authority to you to handle this letter or this format that we are looking for the marketing plan.

Dan says I have to work today.

You take every Friday off --

My suggestion is that the Council members -- I would be interested if you want to e-mail me some points you would like to see in the marketing plan in the request.

Okay.

If you have points but you'll want to make, let us know and we will drive some.

Okay.

Just send them to my office.

Okay. Very well. To anti-stalker that is the first I have ever as the Council members to e-mail me anything.

You know how much I love to e-mail.

A couple of things. Can I pass around this sheet --

I finish respect

I thought you were --

I'm just asking you a question. With all that I you'll 48. I just had to that.

Would you have in front of you is a list based on the last meeting of discussions about where we are -- where we were on certain items that we bring over the Council. This is the time frame for the meetings up to this point. What I thought would be to is we would get direction I believe, in April from the strategic plan to start setting any of the discussions or workshops that you wanted to have on the many budgets. This is just an opening salvo so I can let the public know. We should have checked, they were supposed to have checked with reschedules. If there are any problems, please let me know.

There was in our bank there was a discussion Mr. Byron and I had because I was getting beat up by one of our favorite news media guys and then it started getting some more interesting questions about the same venue. Did you ever get that information together or, it was on the advertising that the County does end up on our discussion copy you said you would have that information together soon and I don't know what happened to it . Would that be something that we would want to bring forth to the Council as many budget workshop? Please come on up --

What are we talking about here? >> [ Silence ]

Let me do it this way. I will deal with this. This is the issue we had with Mr. Patrick about how we spend our advertising money. We provided that information to him . I will make sure all of the Council members are provided with that information. This is not the first time we have done this. >> I don't recall ever seeing it. Was e-mailed to us?

No. What I'm saying is Dave is that this information together. Smack somehow it got lost in all of this. Were talking about it --

Is okay. We put the information together and I will make sure that get sent to all Council members. You have any questions or if they feel that they need to bring something forward, we will. I think that what we will get everybody who should answer any questions they have about how we -- we try to spread this the way the Council -- which makes sense days on how we have to advertise. That I was just wondering if you were talking here about budget workshops.

What I am getting at is once they see that, if the Council wants to bring it forward and says they what to added to the list, that will be fine.

Okay.

The other thing that I would like to have everyone understand is also what we always do , a five-year forecast. We do not do it for all 60 funds like we did last year which is expensive. We did that one time to try to give an overview. As you saw in the five-year forecast, we really do take the reasonable, conservative approach given what things we can anticipates within the existing parameters that the Council set for us in terms of expenditures and revenue. It is pretty straightforward. You can change it based on assumptions, but those assumptions have a lot to do with new direction the Council may want to go on. I thought that we had a pretty successful approach last year. Everyone seemed pretty happy. What I am going to have is Bernadette to go around to each Council member and talk to them about the five-year forecast to see if anyone has any ideas of changing it, modifying it, wanting us to do it in a different way. I need some direction on that. What will be best is that way if we need to have some additional discussion on that or eight want to have a special meeting on that, I need to know . And talking to a member of the Council members, I thought they felt pretty comfortable about what we did last year and I need to know how far we want to go and if they have any suggestions for changes or if they want us to do it in a different manner.

I am assuming we would if your position. We did some [ Inaudible ] fund/urges because I thought it was good for the Council to do an overview of all the funds and I thought that in the long run because we have not done that probably in many years it was probably good for the Council to see. I am going to have purchased talk to you on an individual basis based on that I found out what she thinks in terms of what her impressions are because she did do the last -- she did the major overview but doesn't from that I will get a better understanding and I can talk to the counselor either individually and collectively at a meeting. That is an additional thing I will be working on.

What you don't see on the many budget here and I believe I have authority based on the last meeting is that I'm going to be working with the chief judge and we are -- I am going to start going forward to try to put together a task force to look at what changes would be warranted in the court holding on city Island just to get a handle on what would be the appropriate changes if we were going to do any to get a feel for that and to see what we could do, what makes sense is to get an idea of what amount of money would be involved. At this stage I think he would be pleased that we were doing that and then from that I will have a better understanding about what that building lacks, what money might have to go into it to update it and modernizes modernizes for the next 20 or 25 years pick up an alternate in the background. That is all I have.

Mr. Eckert, do you have any comment?

No, Sir.

Turns up as a comment.

For clarification we have gone through this a couple of times you tell me understand we are talking about the complicated delegated authority, we are required to give delegated authority to go back to the at authorities for the parameters for a marketing plan. But my question is this, to we really have to do that? I guess from my perspective, if there is a demand from counsel for requirements, shipment at the beginning of the process when we started this with all three at authorities, with the budget, in other words, if the budget wasn't there and the marketing plan was not there, they should not have even come up before Council very honestly. I guess what I am asking of you is as manager of the that maybe we should not even be in this position sometimes. I am asking this in other words, is that something that has to be delegated to you or my understanding as manager because you do this so well and is other major issues that we're dealing with that you bring forward the very strong at that. That is sure strong suit. You are known for that.

Yes.

I guess what I am asking you if those -- asking you is less not let this in the future get to this point with the Council. If we know that there is requirements have already been implemented that if they're not there, I don't care what entity is, the advisory board committee, him ever should be coming before Council or were just not going to improve their budget.

But let me take it a step further. These people do not work for me.; Understand.

This is all between the Council and the at authorities. You would have to tell the Council -- what you are -- you tell them lots of things and they sometimes do it and sometimes don't. It unless you are willing to tell them that they either don't get their budget approved, that is about all you can really do . I don't have any authority over them. And so the point is --

That is what I am asking for revocation. Smack one of the things that Mr. Davis said to me was they were supposed to do this and they did not do it.

One of the the the Mr. Davis it to me if there were supposed it is and they did not do it.

You hold them accountable.

We did the first time.

You have to look at what authority you have over them. I don't have any authority. You have the authority of their budget. Dan Koppen you want to jump in here.

Language as the big question here. We are talking about money. To be have the ability to suspend their budget except for personnel and current contracts?

Yes.

You have the ability to exercise what budgetary control over their budget that you choose. So if there was discussion of I think Council member Dennis asked about whether a budget to be approved for the first quarter and the Council elected not to do that work what I think the difference in discussion is today, I don't recall the Council saying that any marketing plan should be in a particular format.

Right.

And so you said you wanted then brought back in 30 days so somebody is going to have to establish what that format is going to look like if that issue or intention or you're going to have to come back and then switch you have said in the past about this time last year by unanimous vote is that their plan could whatever it should be cut but it should be tied to analysis as to think you'll for [ Inaudible ] order at least they should be a consideration. Otherwise if they are advertising that they knew that I should be a conscious decision that you're going to -- as it is called . If -- what you said to the Halifax advertising authority was that you wanted particular information within a particular time in Mr. Daniels asked for the additional data the 17 pages or so that was referred to. You asked for that in a specific time. You asked for an audit --

Forensic audit.

A forensic audit of the Halifax or excuse me the CVB, that is now not being undertaken. I don't recall you saying that I wanted particular marketing plan in a particular format. Were just said is the criteria by which we will judges cover your plan is whether or not it is tied to -- to empirical data. I don't know what your level of -- it is up to the Council then Tuesday I am satisfied that we have made a sufficient effort or not. I think -- it is entirely within the councils percent to say I wanted to be just a marketing plan to be in a particular format but I don't think you have said that before today. At least not to my recollection and I think -- my memory while good is not infallible so you would have to go back and look at -- at the tapes so to speak.

I don't know, what format. You're going to have to tell me what you want to tell them. Now what I am telling them. Here's the problem, I think. You don't have a [ Inaudible ]. You have a sledgehammer -- you do not have a scalpel. You have a sledgehammer. My experience but that the Council is that you are either unwilling or unable to use that effectively with the agency. I know you cannot approve the budget. It is not a small thing. It is a big thing and a lot of times the Council -- that is a big deal to say we're not improving her budget.

I tried.

Especially with Halifax as big as they are.

Here is the thing, to. I [ NULL ] if we asked each of them individually , they would tell you that they have a marketing plan.

I told you I talked with Dan Riccardi and I asked him how does this affect us and he said here is what happened. When just hence but I believe that he hands me a piece of paper is this your initial marketing plan. You might want to work on it because I have not done it. Vanna resubmitted a marketing plan to the board. So what we suggest this. You need to have a one-on-one. What you asked them to come in if you want to talk about the marketing plan I will tell you I don't know where they're going with Halifax. You do not even have a permanent director right there. I would think because -- why don't we do this. Why don't we let them know what you want to talk about, come in here scheduled for a mini workshop. You can talk to them about what you want with the anticipation that they are going to have to give a new budget for next year. Why don't you get them budget -- it been focused to make sure that they have what you want. This time there is this what you have given them sufficient time. There is no argument that they could prepare because you think you know women I have to submit this stuff. We're going to that viewers are you better off to say forget last year. Say this is what I want. That's bring them in and make it clear and hear what you have to say. I am all for this but I think that would make a lot of sense and think we want to make sure that before we approve the next budget you know well in advance and your board knows. And you have time to do the market plan and you can tell them the way you want it.

I think that is a really good answer but I want to be clear that going forward, if we take this approach I personally will not approve a budget unless everything the Council asks for is submitted and I think this is a year in advance.

It is not even that it is only --

I mean from last year. I'm going backwards. I am going backwards. I would be comfortable with that, Mr. Chair. I think that is a good solution especially with the [ Inaudible ] board being in transition right now .

I do not even know what is going on with that. Has shared not decided what she wanted to do?

You had asked them, I do not know. >> You know what this

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I think this is a fair way to do it.

I do to.

You give them time and they do the presentation in August and talk to me about it in may. You configure expectation, they could hear you and then if you said understand us and they thought that you had full support of the Council but they -- that you won't approve it because that is a big step. This we, I'm not sure they clearly understand what you want from them.; These are either.

Very well.

List of it that way.; Like that idea. Can we set it for -- I guess the staff would have to find that they would we can all sit together. That we cannot put anything more on that were 20.

No. I would not have a [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ]

Was the deliberate 50.

I think we can do it at the Council meeting I can carve out some time because Billy what you ought to do is have a discussion with them like many budget because you want them to hear you, giving her them about what they want to do and you tell them what you want. We will tell them to be prepared to understand what they are required to do for the next year's budget. >> I don't want to just sit there and talk to the chair and vice chair and the executive directors. I personally think that every single board member from all these boards, all 26 of them should be here for that particular -- that is the way it should be.

If the councils of Jesus, I can [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers ]

Because this year we have this chairman and make sure we have the chairman on these boards and that's made to teach whatever reason. He does not know because he was not here for the previous briefing. I just want to cover the basis.

I think that is not a bad idea because that way they cannot argue they did not understand.

Anything else?

Ms. Denys , the given a clarification.

Yes. Thank you. Select the clarification. Those actually double. Smack I do have one thing before I smack the gavel a break everybody's incomes. The state of the County address, I am shooting for for Midshipman March. We have a commitment not really committed but an opening in the Apollo theater -- I am sorry, the advent.

[ Indiscernible - low volume ].

We have an opening in the Athens. It should be able to fit everything. We will be doing the --

What is the date?

We don't have it. We are working on the date but I would like it to be an off Council day. We can do is here again. -- We can do it here again. I'm just looking for a different venue for everybody. We sit in here a lot. We will work it out. Nothing is in concrete, but that is kind of what I was looking for.

With that any further discussion? Than today's business is hereby complete. Our next meeting is February 6, 23rd team at eight back 30. Mr. Patterson will be leading the charge. During well. Everybody have a great evening and we will see you in two weeks. >> [ event concluded ]

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