UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
FEBRUARY 17, 2009
WESTIN PARK CENTRAL
DALLAS, TEXAS
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 17, 2009
Call meeting to order & record attendance
The following representatives were in attendance:
NMC Voting Members in Attendance:
|Pascal |Blondet |Airbus |
|Bob |Bodemuller |Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp. |
|Christian |Buck |SAFRAN |
|David |Burger |Rockwell Collins |
|Mark |Crevier |Pratt and Whitney |
|Jim |Diamond |USAF Hill AFB |
|Alan |Fertig |United Space Alliance |
|John |Haddock |BAE Systems MAS |
|Tim |Hayes |Hawker Beechcraft |
|Quan |Lac |Rolls Royce Plc |
|Arne |Logan |Boeing |
|Frank |Mariot |Vought Aircraft |
|Ed |Mayer |Meyer Tool |
|John |McBrien |GSA |
|Robin |McGuckin |Bombardier |
|Donald |Missel |Lockheed Martin Corp. |
|Jay |Park |Northrop Grumman |
|Michel |Pierantoni |EADS Eurocopter |
|Manfred |Podlech |MTU Aero Engines |
|Mark |Rechtsteiner |GE Aviation |
|Dave |Thornhill |General Dynamics |
|Richard |Vinton |Raytheon |
|Laverne |Waalkes |Spirit AeroSystems |
|Jerry |Wahlin |AAA Plating |
|Kevin |Ward |Goodrich |
Task Group Chairs in Attendance:
|Mike |Bemis |Goodrich |
|Neil |Clarke |Rolls Royce Plc |
|Mark |Covert |Honeywell Aerospace |
|Phil |Keown |GE Aviation |
|Robert |Koukol |Honeywell Aerospace |
|Ralph |Kropp |MTU Aero Engines |
|Doug |Matson |Boeing |
|Byron (Ed) |Nellans |Rockwell Collins |
|Jack |Saunders |Honeywell Aerospace |
Other Attendees:
|Mike |Bath |DCMA |
|Michael |Coleman |Boeing |
|Kevin |Dowling |Spirit AeroSystems |
|Mitch |Nelson |CESSNA Aircraft-Textron |
|Scott |Patterson |Goodrich |
|Philippe |Pons |Airbus |
|Jerry |Satchwell |Rolls Royce Plc |
|Andy |Statham |Rolls Royce Plc |
|Kathy |Storie |United Space Alliance |
|Laurie |Strom |Honeywell Aerospace |
|Steve |Tooley |Rolls Royce Plc |
|Dave |Williams |Spirit AeroSystems |
|Verl |Wisehart |Rolls Royce Plc |
PRI Staff in Attendance:
|Jerry |Aston |
|Mark |Aubele |
|John |Barrett |
|Jim |Bennett |
|Phil |Ford |
|Rebekah |Foutz |
|Susan |Frailey |
|Michael |Graham |
|Arshad |Hafeez |
|Lisa |Ippolito |
|Sarah |Jordan |
|Jim |Lewis |
|Bob |Lizewski |
|Keith |Purnell |
|Stan |Revers |
|Glenn |Shultz |
|Lisa |Shultz |
|Ian |Simpson |
|Rick |Sovich |
|Louise |Stefanakis |
|Yuki |Takahashi |
|Kevin |Wetzel |
1. Opening Comments
• Intro
• Review Agenda
• Approval of Minutes
• Review of Open Action Items from Previous Meeting
• PRI Staff/Metrics Sub-Team: Review overturned failure data provided by task groups,
investigate trends and provide recommendations.
A motion was made to approve the October 2008 Planning and Operations minutes. This motion was seconded and the minutes from the October 2008 Planning and Operations meeting were approved as written.
EJ Kegerreis reported on the open action item regarding overturned failure. 48 failure recommendations by staff engineers were overturned by their respective task groups. It was stressed that staff engineers and task groups must enforce procedures consistently or negative impact could be experienced. An ad hoc team was formed in the NMC Metric Sub-Team to examine these details and report out in the Istanbul July 2009 meeting. For more details please see the attached presentation.
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2. Task Group Supplement Update
Phil Ford reported that the NDT Task Group had a Supplement Sub-Team meeting prior to the February 2009 Dallas Nadcap meeting. The meeting was held in an effort to eliminate redundancy, eliminate duplicate questions, cross check questions against the baseline checklist and to include common issues for possible inclusion into the baseline checklist. The team reduced supplemental questions by 37% from 408 questions to 256 questions. For more details please see the attached presentation.
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3. Vision for Nadcap Audit Checklists Sub-Team Report
Kevin Ward also reported on Checklist Criteria. It was noted that the term “raise the bar” should no longer be used as it causes confusion. The NMC and TG representatives will meet to develop examples that clearly define the criteria for that task group and then come to general agreement with the larger task group. NDT will be the first task group to work on checklist criteria. For more details please see the attached presentation.
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ACTION ITEM: EJ Kegerreis to send Nadcap checklist criteria presentation to task group chairs and staff engineers.
4.0 Summary Report on Lapsed Accreditation
EJ Kegerreis discussed lapsed accreditation. 84 lapsed audits took four cycles or more and 38 lapsed audits took five cycles or more. A proposal was made to reduce supplier delinquency from 45 days to 30 days. The proposal was seconded. An NMC show of hands vote was taken and 21 NMC members voted in favor of the proposal and 5 NMC members voted against the proposal. For more details please see the attached presentation.
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ACTION ITEM: PRI to revise NIP 7-03 to reduce the supplier response delinquency limit from 45 days to 30 days. PRI is to continue to monitor data.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to advise of the benefit and detriment of changing from quarterly audit scheduling to monthly audit scheduling.
5. Other issues / New Business/ Discussion
There were no other issues, new business or discussions.
6.0 Adjourn
Minutes prepared by:
Lisa Ippolito ippolito@
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