22) FEBRUARY, 1969: QUESTIONS AND ... - Lansing Bible Class
22) FEBRUARY, 1969: QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
audio cassette recording received from Lee Warren (#23)
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 69.02 QA
transcribed by Bridget Richardson
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
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Dr. Kinley: .... about what we teach. And since there is so much confusion in the world, we thought that it would be well if we answer some of these questions so that you'll have a profound knowledge of what we're talking about and what we're teaching in the school.
Now one of the things that I do want you to pay strict attention to is this. Now if you were going to the grocery store or any place and you had a dollar bill and you went in and bought a few little items that didn't cost over a dollar. And the clerk, he rings up each amount, what ever the item cost. And then he pulls it out of the cash register and tell you what the cost of it is. Now here's what I'm trying to say. This is the part I want you to see about this teaching. Now there's no sense in us being confused and tangled up and messed up and having a whole lotta interrogations and questions is our mind about what the cost is or how to add the thing up or whether you're able to pay the price.
Now anything that you can imagine, be it ever so humble or be it ever so academic or even if it's what you call one of them intermediate interrogations or questions, what we want you to do is to get it off your chest. And we wanna tell you that what we teach in this school is superior to what they teach anywhere.
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And now what we're going to do is this: we're going to take what is and put it together in such a way that you can understand it, so that you won't have no, no, excuse to how much the bill is; in other words, we're gonna put this two and two together. And we will do it, listen now at what I'm saying, we're gonna do it from the Godhead through the angelic host, through the physical creation, all down through the ages and back into the realm of eternity. Now that's what we're gonna do and that's what we will do it you so request.
So now if there's any question in your mind about this teaching and what not, and you wanna know something about it, now's your break. Now you can't do this when somebody is up here on the floor preaching. You don't have the privilege and the opportunity to do this, but now you are going to have this opportunity. So what we're gonna ask you to do then, if you have a question, why raise your hand so we can do it in order and then we.., then let us know who you're directing your question to, and we will answer it. And we want an answer to your satisfaction, and we're not gonna stop until we answer to your satisfaction, but now look here, when we have proved the thing to you, that's the best we can do. Now if you don't wanna except (accept?) the truth, there's nothing we can do about it. You understand that too, don't you? Can't.., we just can't.., we can't help that.
Now as Doctor Traynham has already told you, now here's the seriousness of it that effects every human being under the sun. This is the seriousness of it. You are just about to come down to the general judgement that they been talking all through the years. That's what you just about to come to. And you're gonna have to give an account. This thing is not gonna continue on this way. Now there isn't anybody, any nation under the sun but what don't know that.
Now there was some question about, let me say this before we get into it. There was some question about Nixon being the President of the United States of America. Before when he run, he failed. He run for governor of California, he failed. But I just wanna drop this little hint in your ear and I suggest that you go home or go to the library, go somewhere and try to find out something about it, so that you will know something about the man you got in the White House. Now Richard Nixon is a Quaker. Quakers do not believe, they do not believe in carnal ordinances, none of 'em. They believe that you are living in a spiritual dispensation. The Quakers are closest to what we teach than any other denomination under the sun.
Now if you noticed, during what.., he hasn't been in there but just about two weeks now. And what he has said to begin with, he give.., according to the constitution of this country, he said that every man is entitled to the opportunity and the privilege to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience and his own vine and fig tree. I'm just kinda talking about the constitution in a indirect way; in other words, it's religious freedom and privilege to worship anyway you want to; that's the constitutional right that you have in this country. But now when it comes to the constitutional right to worship according to the dictates of your own conscience and under your own vine and under your own fig tree, I would have you know that Roman Catholics have dominated the White House for many, many years. I want you to know that. And a lot of the laws that you have and
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amendments have been resolutions that have been adopted by the Roman Catholics.
Now the Roman Catholics, they believe this, that the Pope has the ecclesiastical and the legal and the political rights to rule the world. Now I've tried to bring you up to date a lotta times about these things. I've tried to awaken you. There's nothing else but Satan incarnated in a physical body setting in the Vatican, that's what it is. And this last thing they pulled, this birth control thing has got 'em in trouble. It's just abou..; in other words it's flattened the Roman Catholic Church. And they're striving to continue, prophetically. Babylon was or confusion was to fall within one hour, one hour of the consummation. Now when you figure out that one hour, one hour prophetic time is about 41 years, not quite 41, 41. 41 years prophetic time. Now what I mean by prophetic time is one day for a year. Now if 1960 was 40 years from there to AD 2000, that would be just one hour. And that would be the last hour. So then, figuring from 1960, well then the Roman Catholic Church had to, well it happened.., it had to fall. Now is that clear to you? Babylon, the Mother of Harlots.
Now it don't just, don't get it in your mind now that it's just the Roman Catholic Church only, because it is not that. That goes for Protestantism, that goes for all of the foolishness in the world or the confusion in the world. And now the genuine thing must come out. And we're not trying to prop up nothing. Now listen, nation should against nation, kingdom against kingdom. Now you know that's happening. Many false teacher's and many false, not, not a few, many should come during this dispensation.
Now here is where the problem is. Here is where the problem is. I want you to know this. All down through the ages here, all down through here, you were dealing with the natural as Doctor
Student Body: Traynham.
Dr. Kinley: Traynham put the thought there from Nicodemus. Messiah said to Nicodemus, 'now if I tell you of natural or earthly things and you don't understand them, then how can you understand spiritual or heavenly things.' You have no foundation whatsoever to build upon, so Yahweh in His all wise providence, listen to what I'm saying, He had made this whole natural universe for you to look at, you included. Every animate and inanimate object for you to comprehend Him. And all of it, every bit of it, terrestrial and celestial, points to that which you cannot see with your physical eye. Now here's what that does, now that removes your excuse, that removes your alibi. That is the premises and the foundation upon which Yahweh Himself has predicated this purpose, so that you wouldn't have no excuse at all for not understanding. So then what we have to do now is look at the natural as Doctor Traynham said just now, you never will see Yahweh in His totality. That's an absolute impossibility. Why? Because you're just a little man and the universe in its totality is embodied in Him and you can't see everywhere at the same time. But now what He has done, He took on a physical form. I'm talking about Yahweh has taken on a physical form and that physical form is named Yahshua the Messiah, and He has come and demonstrated, He's
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demonstrated. Now what do you mean by demonstrated? He healed the sick, He raised the dead, He stilled the tempest. And if all of the things that He had done was written in the Book, the world or the earth plane could not contain the Book.
You are made up as you are made up both masculine and feminine to point to the great inscrutable and incomprehensible Deity of this universe. Everything is made as it is for your education.
Now you come along and say you can if you wish, say there has been so many mistranslations and so many different things that have written, been written about this Bible, so many erroneous, scripts have been... Let me tell you what I mean by that. Unless I did somebody would mess up on it. They wouldn't really realize what I was talking about. Roger, there has been no book of Enoch written. Enoch didn't write no book. And you can go out here on the market and get a copy of it, says the Book of Enoch. Abraham never wrote no book. You can go out there and, and, and get something Abraham wrote. You can go out here and get the Talmud and the Mishnah. That's a commentary, a hebrew commentary on the five books of the Bible stretched out to 15 books. Get the point? But, now let's, see if there's anything else. Yes, I told you last week and I told you many times, and you do well if you take heed. Plato, Confucius, Aristotle, Socrates, and those boys back before the birth of Yahshua the Messiah, they did not have a vision and a revelation. They'd didn't have any. But now there's no sense and no need of you going back there, trying to tell me something that Plato said. Plato just didn't have the vision and the revelation. Then comes the question, well why didn't he have it. Yahweh didn't choose to reveal it to him. That's why he didn't have it. Get the point?
Now look, Moses, Moses wrote about Adam. Moses wrote about Enoch, Moses wrote about Melchizedek, Moses wrote about Abraham, Moses wrote about Isaac, Moses wrote about Jacob. Moses wrote. Where did Moses get it from? Yahweh showed it to Moses in visions and revelations. And He brought the thing right on down, Moses did, pedigrees and genealogies. If you were to be asked something about your progenitors and ancestors, just as.., well just this one generation or two, you wouldn't know. So it would be a matter of impossibility, Bishop, for Moses to go back here and tell you something about Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel and Seth and so forth and so on. And incidently, you can get a book on Seth. You can just get any kind of fouled up script you wanna get out here on the market. And they claim these tables and these scripts have been discovered and dug up here and yonder.
Well, all this folly and foolishness is supposed to be presented in this age and in this dispensation. This present age and dispensation wherein you're living now. This present age, right here. Now there's ages yet to come; in other words there's seven ages. Just to go back there and say the Ante Diluvian Age, the Post Diluvian and the Present Age, and the Ages yet to come, that don't teach you anything about the other side of it over here, about the..; in other words, this is not all of the ages. That's what I'm saying.
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Now listen, nobody is immune from this, nobody's excused. Now I told you, and then we'll move, I told you that Yahweh sent me. My name is Henry Clifford Kinley. That's my name. Now I'm just another man just like any other man. I didn't have a thing to do with Yahweh giving me a vision. I didn't have nothing to do with my mother's pregnancy and my birth. ____ ____ Yahweh giving me a vision. Now what I have done, I've wrote it down. I placed it up here for your scrutiny and for your investigation or examination. Now if you wanna look at it, you wanna know something about it, we're here to answer your questions. Now I, I wanna make this clear too. I did not go to school. I didn't go, so you can't credit it what I, what little I do know and I don't know so much either. At one time, I had been very, very smart man, but I don't know too much now. I'm like the Apostle Paul. He said, I am determined not to know anything but Yahshua the Messiah and Him crucified, yea, rather risen from the dead; a stumbling block to the Jew and to the Greeks it's foolishness. I don't know much, but I have been a very smart man.
Now look folks, listen. Want you to understand how this goes, unless you can prove a thing all the way through nature, all the way through the ages and the dispensations of time, it ain't no good, just isn't any good at all. I don't care who said it. Don't care who taught it and who believed it and how many of 'em there are. That don't make it right at all. But now what we're here for is to show you that what we are teaching you here is not Kinley's brains. It's not Bishop Short's brains, not Roger Jackson brains, not Leonard's brains, not Dr. Harris' brains, not Gross' brains, not Dennis' brains, not Gary's brain's, not Williams' brains. Now there may be some other authorities, but the reason why we have these men up here is because they are authorities in this school. Now there may be some others sitting right here in the audience. I'd have to look at the register to know who they are, I don't know myself. I know the top ones, but there's, there's some others setting right here probably looking me that ought to be up here so I want you to know that too. Now, now, let get this straight.
Now is there any question about this doctrine that is in your mind, be it ever so humble. We want you to.., I don't care how long you been coming here, I didn't ask about that. Or if there's any question in your mind up and down here, we'll take them too. Well then, let's get together, let's see what it's all about. Let's understand one another. So any questions anybody got to ask? If so, then direct your question to whoever you wanna direct it to. Ask what you will or may.
Man: I have a question. What did the
Dr. Kinley: Please stand up. We want everybody to hear what the question is.
Man: In Ezekiel's vision, he mentions a wheel within a wheel, and I was wanting an answer on that, if one of the ministers would explain that, that in his vision that Ezekiel saw when he was in captivity. He mentions in his vision, he saw a wheel within a wheel and different forms, and the wings of angels and all.
Dr. Kinley: Doctor Harris, would you mind explaining to him?
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Dr. Harris: We'll take this natural question to show forth the spiritual. Moses built this tabernacle out here in the Wilderness of Sinai. This tabernacle represented this shape and form that was seen up there in the vision. Now gathered around the tabernacle in an irregular outline, were the 12 tribes on all sides, three on the east, three on the West, three on the north, and three on the south. Now this tabernacle situated here in the midst of Israel assembled around the tabernacle, that would be the wheel in the midst of a wheel. Because Israel was assembled around this tabernacle as I said in irregular fashion, all 600,000 of them, when they were assembled out there in the wilderness. Now then, if you take that and swing it around back up here to the cloud, then you see this shape and form here, which is in the bosom of the Father. That's the wheel in the midst of the wheel. Then you bring in on down to the time when Yahshua the Messiah, He said, 'believe that I am in the Father and the Father's in Me'. So He's the wheel and He's in the Father in the midst of a wheel. Then when you come on over here to Pentecost, when the Children of Israel were receiving the Holy Spirit there on the Day of Pentecost, it's described there as the woman clothed in the sun with the moon under her feet. So that woman which represents the body of the congregation or the assembly or the church, that is again as an expression of the wheel in the midst of the wheel. And you come on down to your own periodical situation and you being now clothed in the Son, that is if we have understanding, then we are as that wheel in the midst of the wheel.
Dr. Kinley: Somebody else has one? Would you... You got one?
Man: Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: You satisfied with that?
Man: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Do you understand it?
Man: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: We don't want you to be satisfied within nothing until you understand it. Alright, give the lady the power and then we'll answer your question. Alright.
Woman: 10 commandment
Dr. Kinley: Please try to talk loud enough so everyone can hear.
Woman: I don't understand about the 10 commandment law.
Dr. Kinley: How's that?
Woman: I don't understand about the 10 commandment law.
Dr. Kinley: Now what is it you don't understand about it?
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Woman: That I want to know if we're not living under the law, and I know why.
Dr. Kinley: Now. So we can get a clear understanding of what we're talking about, I have to drag you out. Now you, what I wanna know now, you say that you don't understand about us not being under the.., you want an explanation about that? Is that what you want to know? In other words do you wanna know whether we are under the law or not or you want it explained?
Woman: I want to know, if we're not under the, I mean if we're not under the law. And, I know why those are the things that He died on the cross and He.., in other words He fulfilled it, but yet...
Man: What is the spiritual.., I've got the same question you got. And that’s ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. What is the spiritual significance of the Ten Commandments? Is that what, is that the same question you asked?
Woman: How are we supposed to conduct ourselves now? ____ He died for me.
Dr. Kinley: In regards to the ten commandments?
Man: What is the spiritual manifestation or the meaning of it spiritually? The 10 commandments, those 10 commandments. Why those 10, in that order, the spiritual significance. They was talking about it physically but what is the spiritual significance of those 10 commandments?
Dr. Kinley: Now, now, now unless.., we have the same problem when we put somebody up here to preach. We have the same identical problems because the things that are being said often times are not understood. That's what we're conscious of. And now what we wanna know, we've got to get the question straight first so we can get the answer straight. Now, restate your question. Now put it, put it like you wanna know about it now.
Woman: Alright, then there were 10 commandments given.
Dr. Kinley: Yes.
Woman: And no one has been able to keep them. Now when Yahshua died on the cross, those 10 laws were fulfilled, but the only thing is.., I mean, I feel that we're still under 'em some kinda way. Are we supposed to follow those laws or what? They’re still being.., I mean ____ ____. ____ that’s ____ power, but what is the ____ ____ ____ now?
Dr. Kinley: Now we got you understood. Does everybody understand now?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Everybody understands. Do you wanna to take that one? You're directing your question to me or to him?
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Woman: To you, I think.
Dr. Kinley: Or, or would it be alright if I confer to somebody else? Now here's the reason why I wanna do this. I don't wanna answer your question. Now here's the reason why I don't wanna do it: is because I want you to ask the ministers and all in here. Now if they don't get it over straight and just move the chairs back. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) The fur is going to fly then. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Yes ma'am, yes sir, the fur will fly. And I will answer at least so you can get some satisfaction on it. Doctor Harris, would you mind?
Dr. Harris: Well, the difficulty that the young lady is having is in rightly dividing the Word of Truth, that is dividing between the natural and the spiritual. Now Yahweh spoke the 10 commandment law from Mount Sinai back here at the time that the Israelites were gathered around this mountain. Then Moses went up into the mount and saw the creation of the heavens and the earth. Now that was to typify that the whole creation came in under the law, but that was not the law of carnal ordinances. That was the Law of the Spirit or Spirit Law that brought the whole thing into existence. That was in operation way before this law that Moses.., that God gave to the Children of Israel assembled around this mount.
This Law of the Spirit that brought everything into existence, it always was and always will be. You have never at no time have gotten out from under that law.
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: And when we talk about we are not under the law anymore, we don't mean the Law of the Spirit, which we've always been under, but we mean the law or carnal ordinances that God gave to Israel as they were assembled around the mount. That was the law, which was a fleshly, natural law, as you read over there in Hebrews 9:10. 'For the old covenant stood only in meat and drink and divers washings and carnal ordinances, til the time of the reformation;' in other words, it was fleshly and natural. Yahweh was speaking to a carnal minded or a fleshly or natural minded people, so He gave them a natural and a fleshly and a carnal law or ordinance to go with the mind that they had. But.., and they couldn't keep that. And He came in, He didn't give it to them to keep in the first place. It was given actually to show them up; that is in their futility, in their inability to keep it, they were supposed to see something in that; in other words, you get down to the place where they say, 'Lord, have mercy I just can't make the grade.' And every last one of 'em that came to John to be baptized had to admit they had failed to keep the ten commandment law; in other words, they had to repent. Now it wasn't intended that only one Man would be able to keep the law and that was the Man that gave it. He was personified here as Jesus, as they know out there in the world or Yahshua the Messiah. Now He fulfilled that law and moved it out of the way. And if He hadn't done it, it would still yet be standing.
Now we wanna make the distinction of in regard to this too cause I discern just by your countenance Miss that you are not a Jew. Is that right?
Woman: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: Well, this law never was given to you in the first place. Yahweh never did say nothing to the Gentiles about keeping this 10 commandment law back here at all. Never did said nothing to you about it. So what have we been trying to keep it for in the first place? It was given to the Jewish nation, never to any Gentiles at all. Now we've meddling in their business, we're tampering around with something that wasn't given to us in the first place. But the Gentile nevertheless, he has something that was written already in him from the time that God created the man that just let him know that certain things were wrong, and his conscience bothered him about things that he did, and God never had said nothing to him about thou shall not do this or thou shall not do the other. And Paul spoke about that when he said that the Gentile just did by nature...
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: the thing that were contained under the law. Ain't nobody else said nothing to him about not do this and not do the other, yet and still when he go out here and do something he has no business, something inside of him clicks and say, 'you shouldn't have done that.' What it really was was this Spirit that he didn't know nothing about operating in him.
So now you got the Jews failing to keep it and the Gentiles unable to keep it. Now this is the one that came in and kept it. Fulfilled it and moved it out of the way. When He moved it out of the way, I like to put it in this parabolic expression. It's just like you go out today, you say, 'well, the sun ain't shinning (shining?) today, because the clouds have got the sun all obscured.' When nature rolls back the clouds then you can see that the sun is shining. Now it's been shining all the while, but the things that's kept it hid from you was the fact that the clouds were in the way.
When He came in and fulfilled this law and moved it out of the way, then we are able to see the law of the Spirit which has been operating all the time. It was there all the time, we just didn't know it. Now when it's operating in you, nobody has to say anything to you about thou shall not do this and thou shall not do the other. But what's happening in that case is that this Spirit is just gotten in you and just makes you do right. You got the I can't help its, sure enough. You couldn't do wrong if you wanted to. Just like when He had it in Him, He said which one of you convicted me of sin? Nare one of 'em could convince Him that He was doing wrong. And that's the way you'll be too when you get that right thing in you. In fact when you get it in you, that's what you are, you are Him. That's what you are. Now that's the law of the Spirit. Yeah, that law that's, carnal ordinance been moved out of the way, but what's controlling us now.., and we're not without law as Paul said, 'yeah, we establish the law. You've moved and fulfilled the law of carnal ordinances, but you establish the Law of the Spirit.' And that's more able to keep you, than this one was back here. And look, if it won't keep you.., now we're talking about we got it, and it is apparent that's there, something wrong some kind of way, not that won't keep you, you just might as well forget it. You might well give up. If you got the Holy Ghost and then you can't act right, then ain't nothing else to give you. Ain't nothing else to give you, you go back to the old mosaic law and try to keep that? No. If the law of the Spirit won't help you, it won't keep you straight, you just might as well give up, say, 'I'm just a gonner.'
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Thank you very much. Did you understand now?
Woman: (inaudible)
Dr. Kinley: Did you understand? I'd like to, I'll give you a break in a minute. I know you have to go. Now here's a question that I wanna add to what you said for your benefit. Now Dr. Harris covered it? But I just wanna make it specific. Now here's my question. What did He give them the law from Mount Sinai for in the first place? Why did He give them the Law? You said was given to the Jews. Well not, why did He give it to the Jews? That's a nice one, ain't it?
Student Body: Yes it is.
Dr. Kinley: That oughta be a bird, don't you think so? And look, we're gonna have a scripture answer to it too. I want you to see why He gave it to them. Roger, you're turning over here. Evidently he must know. Romans 5. Now this is why He did it. Roman 5, where do you start there in..., the 14th verse or above?
Fred Allen, Jr.: 12.
Dr. Kinley: 12th verse? Alright, 12th verse. Now you listen. That's the reason why I say, often say, just reading the Bible with no knowledge of it, no understanding of it, you haven't got nowhere. You see the point? Just quoting without an understanding don't mean a thing. You gotta understand the difference between these dispensations. Don't mean a thing. Now read.
Roger Jackson: Therefore
Dr. Kinley: Where are you reading? That recorder is going behind you there.
Roger Jackson: 5th Chapter of Romans, 12th verse.
Dr. Kinley: The 5th chapter Romans and the 12th verse.
Roger Jackson: Therefore
Dr. Kinley: Therefore
Roger Jackson: as by one man
Dr. Kinley: for as by one man
Roger Jackson: sin entered into the world
Dr. Kinley: sin entered into the world, that's Adam.
Roger Jackson: and death by sin
Dr. Kinley: and death by sin
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Roger Jackson: and so death passed upon all men
Dr. Kinley: so death passed upon all men.
Roger Jackson: for that all have sinned
Dr. Kinley: for all have sinned
Roger Jackson: For until the law
Dr. Kinley: For until the law
Roger Jackson: sin was in the world
Dr. Kinley: for until the law, that was given from Mount Sinai, from the fall of Adam until the law was given from Mount Sinai, sin was in the world. How that, how, how are we doing now? I could go you one better than that, I mean biblically so too. We try hard to explain. Before that it was in heaven, and it was cast out of heaven down on the earth, that's what we're trying our best all the time to tell you, in the form of Lucifer. Yahshua the Messiah said, I beheld Lucifer fall from heaven like lightening (lightning?). And you have in the 12th chapter of Revelations and you have in the third chapter of Genesis, and we're struggling all the time, every day, every week, every Sunday, every time we come together, every day, to tell you these things because of all of this crime and this hatred and this malice, and nobody can escape. And listen, can't nobody live right, you can't do that. Somebody said, 'don't tell me, I been a Christian all my...' Now, you ain't been nothing. You're not gonna be nothing. Get the point? It takes the real...
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Dr. Kinley: ... and all them satanic spirits was cast down into the earth plane, they were incarnated. Now at that time, there wasn't enough bodies to go around. You just had that one woman and that one man. So now Paul is telling you that death reigned. Now this is the first man, from Adam down to Moses. And all of 'em from Adam on down to Moses, every last one of 'em was sinners. 'Well hold it Paul, you got Enoch in there?' Get the point? No, we ain't gonna hold it. Death reigned from Adam, now all of 'em was concluded under sin, everybody was not back there in the Garden in the form of a man, but everybody, listen at me now, everybody was deceived was in the loins of that one man. You get it now? So that man, the whole thing was concluded under sin from that one man, now everybody. Death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned, they weren't back in the garden in a physical form, but listen, they're all concluded under that one man. So that that one man, Yahshua the Messiah, made atonement for all of us. That's why they all had to be concluded under...
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Now listen, death reigned from Adam to Moses. Now the Mosaic Law, she was of effect until Yahshua the Messiah come and fulfilled it. Now that's what we mean from Adam, death reigned from Adam to Moses, pertaining to Mosaic Law. And when He come down here. It don't mean that just when Moses come along with that ____. No, um um, it's the law. Now here's what, here's what we're asking. Why did God give the law in the first place to the Children of Israel? Why did He do that? That's what we're asking about. And that's what we're trying to answer. Alright, read on.
Roger Jackson: For until the law, sin was in the world but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Dr. Kinley: Sin is not imputed where there is no law.
Roger Jackson: Nevertheless,
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Hold it, hold tight. There's some more we don't understand. When God told Noah to build that ark and you're talking about Abraham and you're talking about the other patriarchs. They didn't have no law. For until the law, sin was in the world, they didn't have it, and all of 'em from there on down was concluded under that, under that Adamic transgression.
He was told to make an ark. Of course he was given an order to do it, Noah. Now let me tell you this too. Oftentimes we said, to the law and to the testimony, and then this is what somebody else thinks, they think that you have to start at the first one of the major prophets and go down to the minor prophets. That's what they think. They think that's what is meant when it says to the law and to the prophets. But I'll have you to know that the prophets.., are you listening now? Enoch the seventh from Adam was a prophet. There always have been prophets, ever since the world began. How do you like that? But Enoch didn't write no book. He prophesied but he didn't write no book. John the Baptist was a prophet, but he didn't write no book. Isaiah was a prophet, he wrote a book. Jeremiah was a prophet and he wrote a book, but that Enoch didn't write no book. Now how you found out about Enoch being a prophet and how did you found out about him, what he said? 'Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousand of His saints to execute judgement upon all that were ungodly.' How you found out about it, Moses told you. Well how did Moses find out about it? You see how technical I am? Is because, now listen at me, there ain't nobody hand it down, Moses saw it in a vision. He saw the whole thing. He saw Adam created, he saw Eve in the Garden, looked right at Yahweh create Adam out of the dust of the earth, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. And while I'm on that too, I wanna say this. It didn't say, breathed into his mouth the breath of life. He breathed into his nostrils. Now shut your mouth. (DR. KINLEY TAKES A DEEP BREATH) See, see it's a.., through the nostrils. You don't.., you're not supposed to breathe though your mouth, you're supposed to breath through your nostrils. (HE TAKES A DEEP BREATH AGAIN) It's the same thing: Yah Weh. I thought I'd cover that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
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Now death reigned from Adam to Moses, now listen, here's how it was, after the similitude of Adam's transgression even over them that had not sinned. Alright, move along now right quick. I know you have to go.
Roger Jackson: Nevertheless,
Dr. Kinley: Nevertheless,
Roger Jackson: death reigned from Adam to Moses even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression.
Dr. Kinley: Now don't forget what we're after now. I asked why did God give the law? That's the question. Read.
Roger Jackson: who is a figure of Him that was to come.
Dr. Kinley: Who was a figure of Him that was to come. Read, I'm in a hurry.
Roger Jackson: not as the offence
Dr. Kinley: not as of.., read right on.
Roger Jackson: so also is a free gift: for it through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of Yahweh, and the gift by grace which is by one man, Yahshua the Messiah, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgement was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one, much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Yahshua the Messiah. Therefore, as by the offence of one, judgement came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover, the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin aboundeth grace did much more abound. That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Yahshua the Messiah our Savior.
Dr. Kinley: I want to, I wanted Gal...
Dr. Harris: Galatians 3:19.
Dr. Kinley: That, that's right.
Dr. Harris: Galatians 3:19: Wherefore then, serveth the law?
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore then serveth the law?
Dr. Harris: It was added because of transgression.
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Dr. Kinley: Now listen folks, now look, our question is, now that was a run down that Roger gave you there. Same man talking. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Now listen, one, we're asking the question, 'well, why, why did He give the law in the first place? Would you mind reading?
Dr. Harris: Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions.
Dr. Kinley: Now look up here. It was added because of the transgression. That's why the law was given, that's why the law was given from Mount Sinai. It was added because of the transgression. Now here's what happens. We say it many a time, people say, 'well now look, if it had been me, if I had been back there, I never would...' You got an awful lot of confidence in yourself. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) 'I never would have touched that tree.' Now look at all of the ____, I know you have to go home. But anyhow I'd rather let of these other folks that are not ministers... Which one's working? Now, now, now are we getting straight? So now if.., ____ ____, now listen. Alright you wasn't back there in the garden. So then now if I gave Adam a law, now I'll give you one Israel. 'Where you at?' Cause I gave him one, now I'll give you one, let you try your hand at it. And then that'll stop you from walking around boasting,' if that had been me, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have never done that, I wouldn't never done that.' Up against the purpose of God. Now listen folks, Yahweh did not intend in the first place for a man to walk around on this earth plane in this physical body throughout the ages, He never intended that in the first place when He made that man; in other words, Adam wasn't involved. And now somebody says here the other night, the Jehovah's Witnesses said they, that God didn't know Adam was gonna partake of the fruit of the tree. Just silly. Truth about it is, you just don't know who Adam was.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And another thing you haven't even got acquainted with your own self. Now we're struggling hard to make you see. Now you see why God give 'em the law? The law was added because of the transgression. Did you get that one? Now He can't go back there and say, 'well, if it had been me back there..' ____ ____ ____ to him one, that he never done so well. There was no one of 'em right. And look, I wanna tell you this folks. Now Roger read it there a while ago. Now listen at what I'm saying. Now this Adam back here, and this Adam here. Now that's what He died for was that back there, because of the Adamic transgression. That's what He died for. I might say this to you too, so you can wake up. Eve, Eve is Adam's wife. Now Adam was not in the transgression. It was His wife that partaken of the fruit of that tree and gave it to him. Now if you don't believe that I'll read that to you. Now look, that typified and that showed you.., that's what we're trying to get over to you all the time, that typified and it showed you there that Yahshua the Messiah died for His bride or His wife just like Adam voluntarily died for his.., thems the thing we're trying to get over to you. That's it back there.
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Now here comes along somebody that's saying, 'look, I don't believe Jesus died out out here on the cross. I believe He was drugged,' or what not and the other. No, that ain't it. You're drugged, psychological drug. You're just down right stupid. And why should you come along and write something about this back here. And some people believed about one thing, and they don't believe the other. Now do you see why He gave the law? Adam broke that and the law was added because of the transgression; and it's magnified.
Now here you are, now listen close at this one, now here you are, you said, 'if I was back there, I wouldn't have done it,' and here you are at the Mount Sinai and given the law, and they all broke it. Now here you are come on down here and you're stupid enough to think that you gonna get out there and live right and all and you ain't gonna break no law. And you don't have nothing more than them folks did back there. It can't be done. If you have to ha.., then you just might as well straighten up and quite playing hypocrite. Just straighten up and fly right, cause you can't make it. He has to put His spirit in you and cause.., that, that'll cause you to walk in His way. And listen, I want you to know this too. Everybody, male and female, that has the Spirit, they are, not saints, but sons of Yahweh or sons of God just like Yahshua the Messiah. And then you're, you are now where He was then. And it's the Holy Spirit in you that makes you a son. And that.., and listen, you can't behave without it. Nobody never did. Now the same thing that, do this and do that and do the other, and don't do this and don't do that.., Yahweh, if you look at this, look at the New Covenant. Now this is what He said. He has given you Himself cause that’s the only hope if you try to see it.
Now are we cleared up a little bit more? Anybody else got any more questions? Did, did I make it clear? Do you understand now? Any more questions?
(PAUSE IN TAPE)
Dr. Kinley: ... is a fulfillment of the law. Now let me say this. You are no more justified in doing unrighteousness now than you was back there in the Garden or under the law or anything. Nobody is justified in wrong doing. And nobody that has the Holy Spirit, and listen you don't have to be peeking around corners see whether they gonna behave theirself, checking 'em out and time out on probation and all that kinda jive and junk. You don't have to do that.
Now the apostles, they walked around, they were disciples at that time and they were witnessing Yahshua the Messiah fulfilling the law and the prophets. They wasn't watching to try to see whether He's gonna live right or not. You see the point?
Anybody else got any questions? Hold up your hand if you have. Alright, I see that.
Woman: (INAUDIBLE QUESTION FROM AUDIENCE)
Dr. Kinley: Does everybody hear what she said?
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Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Can everybody hear?
Woman: What I don't understand was: ____ ____ ____ you jumped to Adam and you made the statement ____ ____ ____.
Dr. Kinley: You don't understand that? Well now she don't understand the 40 in dealing with Adam and the correlation between that. Now look, should I let somebody else explain it? Do you want me, do you...
Student: Freddy
Dr. Kinley: Alright Freddy, and tell us quick. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) If you don't tell 'em real quick, we just might miss it.
Fred Allen, Jr.: The quickest way to explain it and make it real plain and simple. As you know, you take blood, water, 40, blood, water, 40, but you don't see a 40 right here...
(PAUSE IN TAPE)
Fred Allen, Jr.: ... You don't have a place in your Bible to go pick up this 40 back here, but you can find it very easily when you understand the purpose of God. Now look, when Yahweh gave Adam, in the garden, that commandment, Eve was right in his loins. Okay, now liken that to when Yahweh spoke from Mount Sinai to the Children of Israel. Adam, I mean Moses and the Children of Israel. Now the Children of Israel is likened to Eve, and Moses is likened unto Adam. They both received the law at the same time. I want you to see that first. Now, Moses goes up into that Mount and he's up there for 40 days. The first part of his 40 days up in the mount, the first seven days, he was seeing the creation come in. And then the 33 days, after, after that he was seeing the generation from Adam all the way down, that you have recorded there in Genesis. You follow me that way? Now look, the woman, Eve, in the Garden was in the transgression, disobeyed the commandment. Same case here when Moses come down out of the mountain, the Children of Israel had disobeyed the commandment. Now that was after 40 days, from the time He gave the law. I'm trying to point it back here first, it ____ first, then you correlate it over here, because when Moses come down out of the mount, and the same is when Adam recognizes Eve had partaken of the same thing. Now look, she was in the transgression first, and he partook of the fruit, willfully died for her. Israel had disobeyed the commandments here. Moses come down and brakes (breaks?) those tables of stone. You know the same thing; in other word, him breaking the stones, is the same as he, Israel breaking the law there. Just trying to show you the correlation. 40 days. 40 days he's got to come out of there, so they both tie to the same thing.
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Fred Allen, Jr.: Now you say, 'well, I don't see it.' We'll go back and get it one other way now. Adam was in the earth. Moses saw there or the beginning of time he went in that mount. I'm talking about, after, he was not revealed to Moses until the sixth day, then He rested on the 7th day, then he saw Adam, the prosperity come out from him in those generations. I'm talking about Adam now. Moses in the vision, Moses in the vision, he seeing Adam come forth out of the earth, and then he sees this seed come forth from him. Do you follow that now? Now that's happening with him; in other words it's 40 with him, when Moses comes out of that mount. So when he comes out himself, he's got to come out at the self same time but he makes up the first portion of this vision is the seven. He's in the earth, come up out of there and then he's in the garden there. Say 33. That's how old he was when he came out. Tying that 33 and the seven together making up 40. He's got to come out at 40, so you have to have 40 here, 40 here, 40 here, all the way through. It's gotta work the same way. To pick up Adam, you just have to see that Moses saw him the 40 days he's up there in the mount. And when he, Moses come down out, the same as Adam coming out of that garden. Those two tie in together.
Man: ____ ____ ____ that was with him ____ ____ 40 and that seven.
Fred Allen, Jr.: You mean over here, 40 over here? Is that what you're saying?
Dr. Kinley: Let's just put up there...
Fred Allen, Jr.: That there is just a fulfillment of knowledge and under.., that there is fulfilled at Pentecost.
Man: What ____ ____ now?
Fred Allen, Jr.: That's fulfilled at Pentecost. They didn't understand what the, the High Priest's function in the tabernacle through the Day of Pentecost. And the witness of it's in tabernacle was the blood, water and the holy anointing oil which typified the spirit. They didn't understand until Pentecost and that was at the end of that 40 year period. So that, ____ ____ happening at Pentecost and he's... a lotta of the 40s on this chart are psychological or spiritual.
Dr. Kinley: down here. This is not a ____ ____. We wanna know. If you ask a question, ask it so everybody can hear. And then when I answer one, I wanna answer it so everybody can hear.
Woman: Yes, I'm satisfied.
Dr. Kinley: You're satisfied. Alright. Any more questions? Now it's time for us to dismiss the class. 10 o'clock. Now there's been a whole lotta problems about getting out on time. There's a whole lotta complaints about that. And as a rule I'm the most guilty offender down here. And the reason for that is because I'm trying with all there is.., I'm not trying to watch the clock.
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: I'm trying to get something over to you from the very word go and ____ and what's got me deeply concerned, I can't even sleep at night. And there's no days, no time at all with what I coul.., just walk with that in my heart and in my mind all the time. Sometimes you don't know it, sometimes I have to go off in the corner or shut the door some place, and I'm concerned to the extent until I can't hold back the tears to save my life. I want you to know so bad, not what time it is.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: ... than for me to take the time. But now we tried to give you an opportunity. Now you.., we're gonna dismiss the class and it's, you.., you seemed to have all the questions answered up. So then from here there's supposed to be another hour.
Now here's another thing, I, I want to tell you, don't take them cups and get a cup of coffee and pass it on down in the steps and go out there and throw the stuff around out there in the street. Be clean, decent, and in order. And help us to try and keep this place clean. Don't say, 'well, I don't have to be bothered with it.' And you get up here. We're opposed to all forms of unrighteousness.
Get these charts down and put 'em where they belong there, and all those kinda things, and do what you oughta do. And I'll try my best.., we'll try to get this thing out and on time. Let's stand and b... Any announcements?
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
audio cassette recording received from Lamar Greer
Catalog#: 69 EX
transcribed by Connie Mattocks
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____ Yahweh ____ ____ after ____ a train. Here's another thing out in the world today. And they didn't even know how to start into the Bible in the first place. And every last one of 'em start right in the wrong place. Now today I could say something about that. You ought to have some proof for it. You should have some proof for it. Now where everybody starts at in the Bible, all that they know to do and how to start at: in Genesis 1:1. That's the right place you can start. Now, somebody would say to me, 'well now look, let's be reasonable about this thing. Let's start at the beginning.' And when you start in Genesis 1:1 the ____ ____. I'm in ____ ____ with you. Right in the first two words: in the beginning, or three words. Then I wanna know In the beginning of what? What do you mean by beginning? Well one would say, 'it's the beginning of the creation.’ Now that's not so. This is not the beginning of the creation. Now you have to have a Creator before we can have a creation. Now these things have the very best of men all tangled up, twisted up and I'm going to attempt to show you and lead you step by step on how to understand your Bible, to account and mark. Now listen at these words that I'm going to say. The exodus. You see that sign up there at that door? That's an exit, that's where you go out. Exodus in this case, it means the going out or departure. Now the Exodus was before the Genesis. Now right away some smart alec would say, 'that man can't read and he don't know the order of the Bible or the books in the Bible.' You get it? And right from the word go, we are up against it. And I want you to realize that we are up against it. Now I wanna tell you why I said that.
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The exodus, there was two exoduses before the genesis. Not one but two. Now let me point 'em out to you. Moses, the first time, he, he slew an Egyptian. This is where ____ go at. He slew an Egyptian. I haven't got time, the time ____ ____ in your pocket. He slew an Egyptian, and you see the Egyptian here that he slew. And now here he goes out. Now this thing the way this thing is drawn up here, they just drawed it all the way across, but he didn't have to go across into the Red Sea here. But now he'll have to cross some water to get out of there now. Why? Suez Canal, that joins.., the Suez Canal joins at the Med.., the Mediterranean Sea. So he could go around the other way and he didn't have to cross in no water, through no water. Now, listen close now. When Moses slew the Egyptian and he went out of Egypt and into Arabia in the land of Midian, that was an exodus or a departure. Now if you started in Genesis 1:1, you couldn't read that. Now he went out here in the land of Midian, and he married Jethro's daughter. Jethro was a priest of Midian and he also had a flock of sheep. When Moses slew this Egyptian he had been raised up in Pharaoh's daughters house, not Pharaoh's house, and yet it's Pharaoh's house because his daughter was of his family. But he was raised up in Pharaoh's house. Now I don't have time to go into all that polytechnical... But he was 40 years old when he slew that Egyptian and run off out here in the wilderness and he married Jethro's daughter.
Well before I say that, I should say it this way. He was out there on, sitting on the well. And Jethro had seven daughters. And when they came to water the flock, they found Moses sitting on that well, resting, watering up. Now you wouldn't pay no attention to it at all, you have no idea, nothing about it. Now our teachers have said these things, but a lot of 'em wouldn't even recognize that they.., what they was even talking about. Now it's Yahshua the Messiah. Do you remember when He said that we must need go through Samaria. And He was setting on that well. And that woman come to draw some water and He told her heart. You wouldn't have no idea that was a fulfillment. And He told her about how many husbands she had. Remember he went up here. You get the point? Now you read that over there in what you call the New Testament.
No, that's not the New Testament. Anyway we go, we'll bottle it up with all this stupidity and ignorance. The New Testament is not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the Acts of Apostles and the Epistles. That's not the New Testament. But everybody got that in their Bible, New Testament. Now if you'd turn over to find out what the New Testament is in Jeremiah 31:31. Now Yahweh said this. He said He would write, not Matthew, not Mark, not Luke, not John, but He said He would write it in your heart and mind.
Now here you have the tables of stone up here in the mount that He Himself wrote with His finger. And that by itself signifies that He was doing the writing. Well, when we read in the Bible we don't, we don't pay no attention to it, we know nothing about what we're reading.
Now Moses was out here 40 years. Now he was 40 years old when he slew the Egyptian and he went out there and stayed 40 years. 40 and 40 makes 80. Is that right?
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Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: And Yahweh one day spoke to him at this burning bush that you read about there in the Bible. And he said, I'll turn aside to see this sight. And he saw that burning bush and it was not consumed. Now here's a carnal mind. ____ ____ ____ ____. Do you understand that bush wasn't consumed? Listen folks, there wasn't no burning bush out there.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You know when fire catches on around here somewhere, in these forests, they have a terrible fire, burning bushes. It takes some ____ to put it out. Now if you had been standing right beside Moses, leaning on his shoulder you would not have seen it. Now this is what I'm telling you. This is a vision. He saw that bush in a vision. And a voice spoke to him out of that bush, the Angel spoke to him out of that bush. Now what you got there: you got an angel appearing to him, then you got Elohim appearing to him, then you got an introduction saying, 'I am Yahweh.' Well, who is it? And by and by and by, you turn up with Joshua. Now you're all confused and all messed up because you don't know what it, what it's all about. You don't understand.
Now since I said that, He told Moses to take off his shoes off of his feet. Now listen, not the ground and yet we say the ground sometimes. And it was on the ground, but He said the place on the ground where he stands, the place is holy ground. And look here, He called him by name, said, 'Moses, Moses.' Twice. Take off your shoes from off of your feet. Now all of these are deep esoteric secrets that the average person does not understand. In the first place, they don't realize that they are working with a vision.
Now then, He told Moses, they told you all about this. ____ brought this thing in here. See this rod? See this? Now I'm, I'm not going to fool you about this. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I'm not going to fool you about it. So now, so don't you look for this to turn into no serpent. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's where he's got a rod back here. Who's rod is it?
Student Body: Aaron's
Dr. Kinley: It's Aaron's rod. Who is Aaron?
Student Body: Moses brother.
Dr. Kinley: It's Moses' brother, the older brother. Get the point? Now he took that rod out of here with him. But I want to know where Aaron got it at. This rod ____ to me. You don't read nothing. Oh no, Aaron's rod is budded and Moses and so and so and so and so. And they have never had even a good imagination about that. And one of the most glorious theologians... I'm sick and tired of that. I told you Yahweh sent me in the close of this age. And I tell you, you ought to make me prove it. Course everybody come along and say that He sent me too.
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Soon as I tell you Yahweh sent me, somebody else said, 'me too.' Get the point?
Now, let's go back to this burning bush. Now the place on the ground where he was standing, it's Holy ground. And He told Moses, now you listen, said, 'come not nigh hither,'don't come no further. Stop where you are. Now what did He tell him that for? Now you'll take a wonderful new Testament theologian... Do you remember when He went out there in.., even in the Garden of Gethsemane, I'm gonna cut this up short, He told them say, now you tarry there, while I go yonder and pray. Is that right?
Student Body: Um, hum.
Dr. Kinley: Now He was the tabernacle in which Yahweh was manifested in the world. So you can't come up, you stop right where you are. Don't come no further for the place on the ground, that's where you're gonna set the tabernacle. See the point? Alright, Now did you catch that one?
In the fulfillment of these things... Now I could say this to you. Just how far was that from where He was standing at? And how do you know? Do you remember when Yahshua the Messiah was out there and He told 'em to tarry here and they said He went just about a stone's throw. Is that right?
Student Body: Um hum.
Dr. Kinley: Oh, it's wonderful, then this book coming to make some sense to you. You begin to realize that truly there is a Yahweh. No fooling. And right while I'm on that, I want you to know that.., somebody's always saying, 'we want to invite Him into our service.' How stupid can you get? Now listen. For in Him we live and we move and we have our being. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Listen, don't you know that your body, I Corinthians 6:19, I'm not gonna do no whole lotta preaching. I'm trying to teach and explain. Don't you know that your body is the tabernacle of Yahweh and you are not your own? You thought you belonged to yourself. You're not your own. That's the reason why oftentimes I say first get acquainted with yourself, cause it is Him that's walking around here in you. And there you're standing up there, real stupid saying, 'oh God, come in to our service and make it what it oughta be.' Then somebody else is teaching behind him trying to find God, and never thought to look right there in the seat.
Now here's another fella. I'll get on with the story pretty soon. Now I, look I'm not, I'm not gonna break the continuity of thought, I'll be right back to where I am. Now here's a fellow, he's a smart and a brilliant man. He knows all about God. He's been promoted from one rank to the other. He's got to be a deacon, he's working up, on up to there and on promoted on up and up and up. And finally by and by he gets up to a place where he's got his collar turned around backwards,
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clergy vestments on. That's alright. I'm not criticizing anybody. A lotta times if I had one, I won't have a whole lot of ____ ____ ____. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's not what I'm talking about. But he's got that all twisted up there, turned around backwards, and he wants everybody to know that he's a preacher. Now the reason why I don't wear one is because I'm ashamed of it. Now you pay attention to what I'm telling you cause I'll be right back and you remember I told you that was a place where that tabernacle was to lay, and I told you that your body was the tabernacle, and you remember I told you that He is in you. Now you looking all around for God and invite Him in your service, I know what I'm talking about and I can hook it up too. Looking all around. Now here this man knows all about God. He's a smart, brilliant man, knows oh everything. And he don't know which side his appendix is on. He knows all about God and don't know nothing about his own self. Gotta pain somewhere and he don't know whether it's his appendix or his belly's hurting. He don't know. And yet and still he knows all about God and don't know nothing about him, and yet the man is made in the likeness and image of God. Do you see that? And every time you ask him a question he said, 'I don't know.' Say, 'I don't believe in meddling in God's business.' And after he tells you he don't know, you're still just stupid enough to go on and try to follow him somewhere. He done told you he didn't know. He told you that right to your face. And the reason why he told you that was because he didn't know and then right on top of that he don't expect you to know. And yet man is made in the likeness and image of God; in fact, that's what you are. Somebody said, 'you carried that one too far.' No I didn't. Tenth chapter of Saint John the 35th verse. Where we are at.
Now I'm gonna go back to where I was. He told Moses standing there at that burning bush, take off your shoes from his feet. What's that for? But I'd like to know whether he was born with shoes on or not?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now somebody said, 'I don't understand what you're talking about.' Now you see the burning bush here? See that fire there? Now go on back here in the Garden of Eden, tree, at the tree, a the tree. Adam and them didn't have no clothes at all and wasn't ashamed. Yet, now you watch that flaming sword. Watch that, watch that burning bush. Keep your eye on it. When that woman touched that tree, there come that law. Said, ‘that ain't ____.’ You, you getting it now? What's he got? Got the flaming sword. Flaming sword. And Moses said, I will turn aside to see the sight. Is that right?
Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: Each and every little word. Now look, now that's a burning bush. 'What do you want to tell? Why you keep stressing about a burning bush? You done said that, so what?' Now if you go inside of the tabernacle. Now some of you, some of you are gonna have to help me. What I'm trying to do is explain now. You go inside the tabernacle, right there you got a golden candlestick. Now there was never supposed, never supposed to be no darkness at all in there. And
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that candlestick had to be lit three o'clock in the afternoon. Now Moses, he's getting ready to carry the flock back in. The day's just about come to a close. And as he started to go in, he looked and sees the burning bush. So he turned aside. Three o'clock in the afternoon. See how they got that fire on there. Now we'll be right back in that fire pretty soon. We'll be back, and we're gonna keep the fire going. We're gonna keep it going from Genesis to Revelation. Don't forget it.
Alright. So now, said, what's that you got in your hand? Well, He told him that He was gonna send him back, He introduced Himself. Now this is what He said first, to let Moses know. Moses done run off, he didn't know anybody knew anything. He don't know nothing about nobody knowing about what he had did down in Egypt. He's safe now. Safe. He's done escaped. Don't nobody know nothing about what he did. Get the point? Now, here Yahweh... So you can see what I'm talking about. He said to him, He didn't say, 'I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.' That wasn't what He said to him first. He said, 'I am the Elohim of your fathers.' 'Oh! So you know my father too?' Jochebed, Amram, his father and mother. Tell him that first, then tell him about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He didn't only just know, Moses, Moses. Come to find out He knew his father. He mentioned that first. You see that now?
Now somebody knew what his name was. So then He told him about what His name was. And said, this shall be a memorial, His name is Yahweh. Get it? Somebody said, 'no, that ain't what He said.' Now He wasn't in the King James translation of the Bible. Now here's what He said. He didn't say Jehovah either. I'm Yahweh, that is My name. Now you listen, but He said, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, they did not know Me by My name. They didn't know that..,, they didn't know a thing about Yahweh, the name. 'Well, what'd you bring that up for? So what.'
Now this is what, this is what this ____. Now, in Salt Lake City, Joseph Smith claimed that an angel guided him to some tablets that had the book of Abraham and he ____ ____. The book of Abraham. Now why I'm telling you about that, is this: that's a lie. Abraham never wrote a pen scratch. Now how can you say that? How do you know he never wrote a pen scratch? Now out on the market, you have the book of Enoch, and that was before Abraham. You get the point? Now I'm showing you how, I'm showing you how we check, we check 'em all, red handed too I'm talking about. Now if Abraham had wrote anything, he didn't know Him by the name of Yahweh. Then you tell me since you're so smart, how did Abraham get over there.., Abraham talking to Yahweh? How did Yahweh get all back in there. How does He get all back there? None of 'em ever knew Him by His name, Yahweh. Now had they been writing anything, they would have written in the name of El Shaddai. That's the name they knew Him by. Which means Almighty Provider, ____ ____ ____ the Almighty Provider. Abraham never had a thing to do with it. Get the point? And they don't they don't say they say God or all like that. Ain't that right? Now God is a title and not a name.
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Everybody talking about God. God this and God that and God the other. And they don't even know this: that it used to be spelled G A W D. That's right. And that's not a name, that is a title. Alright, we're right back.
Now He told Moses what His name was. So that you can see what I'm talking about. Now when you go on back in the book of Genesis, you find Yahweh all through there. Didn't that mean no, no, there wasn't no man on earth that knew anything but Moses. Then whether you want to or not you're gonna have to buy that Moses wrote the book of Genesis.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now you won't run in this class with no.., all this stupidity. Now we're not near done with that. No sir. Now here He is standing, said, what's that you got in your hand? Moses standing there telling Him about He can't talk so plain. Aaron, he's down there in Egypt. And while I'm on that word Go Shen (Goshen?). Now you, you find out what Go and Shen in Hebrew means in the 119th division of Psalms. No, I ain't telling you to do that now. I'm just telling you, so you can look it up. I don't have time to go into all of that? Get the point?
Now Moses ____ at the rod. Said, cast it on the ground. (DR. KINLEY THROWS SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR) Now He done told Moses, Ayah, Ayah Asher Ayah. Now in your King James version of the Bible, it's translated like this, I am that I am. That definitely is wrong.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Because if that was so, then He couldn't be anything else other than what He really was? But that's not the way it is. Ayah Asher Ayah translated from the Hebrew language. Every time I draw a breath, it brings me up on something. That's the reason why Paul said, He's discerner of every thought and the intents of the mind. Ayah Asher Ayah translated means I will be what I will to be. What is that? That's all in all. That's every thing that there is. Now do you remember while, while ago, I got up on this point? And I said you know all about God, talking in your terms. You looking all around for God, and here you are, unconscious of the fact that you don't belong to yourself. So He's everything that is. I will be what I will to be. What is that? That's all that there is. That means He's all in all. Cast down on the ground and his rod turned into a serpent. That right?
Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: Said, pick it up by the tail. Well I should say this first. When Moses cast his rod down on the ground and it turned to a serpent, Moses cut out.
Student Body: Um hum. Right. He did.
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Dr. Kinley: And He told him, said, now pick it up by the tail. Don't pick it, don't pick it up by the head, pick it up by the tail. So Moses picked it up by the tail and it become a rod again. Now here you are, you're awful smart, one of them wise boys. Yahshua the Messiah when He sent them out, 16th chapter of Mark, they shall take up serpents. Is that right?
Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: And there they are asking, 'well, Jesus said to take up serpents.' They got 'em all down there in the hills in West Virginia and around and ____ ____ and all. And every once in a while they, they, they, no poison wouldn't hurt 'em. They didn't understand what that serpent was. And we'll see that boy after a while. Pick him up by the tail, and it turned back into a rod again. Told him, said, put your hand in your bosom. He gave him a couple of signs. Take it out. You see the point? Different color than what the rest of his body, his hand. He put it back. Said, take it out again. Same color as the rest of his body. Now you tell them that I Will Be has sent you. I Will Be What I Will To Be. Now that gives you a couple of signs. Now these signs shall follow them that believe. They shall take up serpents. You got the wrong thing and you got him by the head and all around you and the first thing you know, you done got bit, and then say, 'Jesus said for us to do this.' We don't know about nothing about what we're reading. No, it ain't in the Book. Don't understand a thing. Knowledge, beginning of knowledge
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Dr. Kinley: And if they don't believe that I sent you, you take some water out of the river Nile and pour it on the ground, it turned to blood. Now you, you wait until you get down there. You got to have three signs. 'Well, what did you have to have three signs for? Now you said
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Dr. Kinley: Matthew 28:19-20, that's what I'm talking about.
Reader: Go ye therefore and teach all nations
Dr. Kinley: Go ye therefore and teach all nations
Reader: Immersing them in the name of the Father
Dr. Kinley: Immersing them in the name of the Father
Reader: and of the son
Dr. Kinley: and of the son
Reader: and of the Holy Spirit
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Dr. Kinley: and of the Holy Spirit
Reader: teaching them to observe all things
Dr. Kinley: teaching them to observe. Now you observe everything that I'm teaching. That's what you're setting here for. To observe.
Reader: all things whatsoever I commandeth
Dr. Kinley: all things whatsoever
Reader: I commandeth you
Dr. Kinley: I commandeth you
Reader: and lo
Dr. Kinley: and lo
Reader: I am
Dr. Kinley: I am
Reader: with you always
Dr. Kinley: I'll be with you always. Finish it.
Reader: even unto the end of the age
Dr. Kinley: Even until the end of the age. No sooner He said that, stepped aboard a cloud. Now He's gone.
They didn't even know why He said what He said that. After all them very words, certainly I Will Be with thee. Ain't that what He told Moses?
Student Body: Sure.
Dr. Kinley: And He's fulfilling, got to speak them words to them after He come out of that grave, because now He's transformed, getting into the Spirit back here. And now He's a quickening Spirit, resurrected from the dead. He said, certainly I Will Be with thee, lo I am with you even until the end of this age. Now you know and I'll be right with you. Now He's gone on a cloud. Thought you said, He was gonna to be with them. Even til the end of the age. You see that? But I have to work back up to that, I haven't got to that yet. So now Moses went on down into Egypt. We told you last night about that impediment of speech. Moses standing around there.
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And here's another thing I want you to get. He told Moses that He would give him his brother Aaron to be his speaker, mouth organ or spokesman, because Moses standing down there with a impediment of speech and stuttering or stammering. Now you wouldn't see this unless somebody told you. He made man's mouth. And Moses down there saying the same thing through a sentence, saying the same thing about seven times he said that. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) You see the point? Said, 'go ahead and tell him Aaron, tell him one more time. That ought be ____.' And he just got that repetition, he just down there stammering. Now look, he's repeating, stuttering. He's repeating the same thing over and over again. Is that right? Now all this is, ain't nothing else but a repetition.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's all that is just stuttering right on through. Nothing else but repetition. And I know how to go in symbolical, metaphorical repetition from Alpha to Omega, from cosmology to eschatology or from beginning to end. And that's the reason why I told you last night the prophets said. Now it takes one to confirm the other, and with stammering lips and another tongue will I speak to this people. And here He come, and without a parable spake He not. Now you listen. Don't go to sleep. And then He spoke to them in parables and after He got through speaking with them in parables, they just, they didn't understand. So He told 'em, when the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit, don't worry about it. Said, He... You keep your eyes open folks. Said, He will teach you, the Holy Spirit. Said, the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit, when He come, He will teach you all things.
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Dr. Kinley: Listen. And all through them three and a half years, said, bring everything I said to you back to your remembrance. Now, what's wrong? This hasn't ____ nobody. And here I am, I'm the big shot preacher. And He told them that I'll speak, I'll speak through you with words.
Now here you come up with the devil, said the Pope when he speaks, he's infallible concerning doctrine and morals. He may not speak excathedral for a hundred years. When that man said that took me out there in...
Student: Santa Monica.
Dr. Kinley: Santa Monica. What did he say that for? Imagine riding a mouse. Ain't the way I heard it. It ain't the way my book reads. My book reads that He is in man, and you mean to tell me it takes Him a hundred years to say something.
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Now, we're on, we got to hurry along cause we don't have but so long a time. Now what I'm trying to do, I'm trying to show you how to get in your Bible, and I'm trying to show you where exodus had to be two exoduses or two coming out of Egypt. Exodus means a departure and I'm telling you that Exodus is before the Genesis. And I'm telling you why you can't start in Genesis. Now that's what I'm telling you. And I'm telling you who wrote Genesis. And why. And I'm gonna prove it too. Prove everything I say.
Alright. Moses comes back down, and he's 80 years old. Then he tells Aaron and Aaron tells them and they, I have to cut it up short. Then he cast that rod down, rod before Pharaoh down there. Turns to a serpent. Jannes and Jambres, his magicians. Said, 'look here ____.’ So they throwed theirs down, Jannes and Jambres, they throwed theirs down and Moses' rod ate up theirs. He got his. They ain't got none.
Well, just make a long story short. And I should tell you this. When Moses went off out there, I told you about it, Yahweh spoke to him at that burning bush and he found out He knew all his folks. And Moses don't wanna go down there, back into Egypt. Now look here, like some of us with our carnal minds. Why don't you wanna go back down there? He don't tell you about it, what happened down there. And you just might as well come on clean: 'Well, now look, I slew an Egyptian.' Now look, Yahweh knew all about it.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And said that they seek my life and I don't wanna go back down there. And He told Moses, said, them that seek you, I done took care of him. They're all dead. They're not down there. He didn't know that either. And then He told Moses, 'now I'm gonna harden Pharaoh's heart.' Now you set up and listen at the gospel, and because it isn't like you heard it here before. You're getting hard headed. Say, 'I don't believe that stuff.' Tightening you up, all swelled up. I know all about it. Now listen don't you ever go all tightened up like that. Getting you ready to kill. And every time He'd pull out one of them plagues. 'Yeah, go ahead.' 'Nope,' changed his mind. And He just kept on doing that until He got down to 10. Now five is abstract and ten is concrete. That's ____. So simultaneously with that pouring out of that last plague, He instituted the Passover. Now look folks, told them to take a lamb out on the 10th of the first month, Abib, that's your April. On the 10th, hold it over till the 14th. What's that all about? Now you're just reading your own level? Now look, seven days of the creation He was the lamb slain before the foundation of the earth before Moses saw the seven days of the creation. He was the lamb slain back here, so He told him to take it out down here on the 10th and hold it over til the 14th cause this is the second.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's this manifestation of it, down there. 14th. Seven and seven is 14. Is that almost right?
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Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And how many days are there in a week?
Student Body: Seven.
Dr. Kinley: Two weeks is how many days?
Student Body: 14.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. You don't pay no attention to them things. But now, then he put the blood on each side of the lintel of the door and up over the post of the door. And look it was dark, black dark down there in Egypt. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Stygian black darkness. But the children of Israel had light in their dwellings. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now by Him putting the blood on each side of the lintel of the door. Now our folks already know this. I'm not trying to.., I'm trying to reach the person that's never been around.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: So then when they put the blood on each side and up over the lintel of the door, and caught the blood in the basin down here and it was dark. Now this is the lamb that's slain down here in Egypt. Pascal lamb. That represented the Lamb of God or the Lamb of Yahweh that takes away the sins of the world. Now they couldn't leave Egypt without that blood. Now you watch. And as Dr. Rolland and others, they're telling you all the time, when He's hanging out there on the cross, it's gotta turn dark over the face of the earth from the sixth to the ninth hour. It was dark down here. You got the blood, one hand here, the other hand here, and the crown of thorns and nails in His feet. One time Jehovah's Witnesses walked up to me. Said, 'I see you all are still using the cross.' Said, 'Jesus wasn't hung on no cross,' said, 'He was hung on a tree.' ____, for cursed, so then the apostle, it's written cursed be everyone that's hung on a tree. That what.., is that right?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Okay, come on back here. Explain this. Four horns on this altar. 'Now you say He was hung on a tree?' 'Yep.' Okay, we'll, we'll buy that, but you just don't know what a tree is. That's what your trouble is. This man back here got hung on a tree. Gets hung up on it. Right. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now here we are with the beautiful songs, "is your all on the altar of sacrifice laid.'
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Right.
Student body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Right. Now, afraid that God over there... Somebody be singing the song and about to jump out.., but I want to let you know that you are all on the alter, every day. And Paul said, it’s not unreasonable either. Now here’s why it’s not unreasonable. You see the fire in the center of the earth down there? The earth is the altar, fire on the altar that hasn't been out since creation.
Student body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Get it? And here you are unconsciously walking around on it, sound asleep.
Well lets go on now and try to get this thing over. And now remember I’m trying to tell you now.
Don’t forget what I’m after, I’m telling you that the Genesis was after the Exodus, or the Exodus was before the Genesis. And now I’m showing you why. Now then, that cloud came in there that night. The cloud, you heard me, I said a cloud. When your reading around in you Bible you don’t pay no attention to it. That cloud. And that cloud was a burning fire. That’s another vision in the eyes of the Children of Israel. If you've been standing right around there ____, you wouldn't have seen a thing of it. And while we’re on that, you’re in a cloud right now. You been in it all your life. It's a burning fire. Now there’s always somebody telling somebody to go to hell. That’s right. First thing you do is to get sore at somebody, say, 'You go to hell.' And you sleep, you didn't know that's where you were setting right there in you seat. I don’t have time to fool with that now but we'll get that pretty soon.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that cloud was a.., led them on up out of the land of Egypt. It just opened up the Red Sea. Moses got to the sea there, the mountains on each side. Right? Mountains on each side. ____ draw your attention. And fact of the matter, it’s just a matter of impossibility. And so there it is, the same rod. Moses crying to see the Children of Israel there, 'you just might as well let 'em die here.' 'Look here, what’s that thing you got there?' 'Don’t you remember?' ( DR. KINLEY TAPS SOMETHING.) 'wherefore art thou ____ from ____?' Moses lift that same one, that magic wand. That rod. Red Sea. Somebody said, that’s the Sea of Reeds.' You’re a master theologian. And one fellow told me, he said, 'you know I think that the children of Israel went through the Red Sea alright, instead of the Sea of Reeds,' now that's marsh, 'but they went through on low tide. Do you believe?’ I said, 'well, let me ask you one. You tell me what this is here, ____ and I'll be able to answer.’ Now look, this is three days journey to the Red Sea. Ain't that what He told 'em? Let my people go three days. Three days till you got to the Red Sea. Three days. And most people ain't paying no attention to that. Sound asleep. And the water in the Red Sea, it didn't happen like they think it ____. Most people just think it just opened up and the sky just shined down on 'em.
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when they went through it. ____. Sea of Reeds. I said, 'well, you answer this one for me.' Now remember this is three days journey from.., don’t you forget, cause I’m gonna crack it, any kinda way you go from Genesis to Revelation. ____ ____ ____. Alright now, we’re gonna buy that. Now here is the third day of the creation. (DR. KINLEY TAPS THE CHART) In Moses’ vision up there, here’s the third day. And Moses watched, let the dry land appear, just like the dry land there. Now was that low tide?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: See the waters surrounded or covered the earth. That’s earth’s water baptism. They were baptized in the cloud and in the sea. You can answer some of your own questions, if you just know what to do and where to go. Now we said that the waters stood up in a heap and they went through. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____ like that? Does your veins, are they open? Aren't they under the skin?
Dr. Harris: Yes. Tunnel. Right.
Dr. Kinley: And that live vein, they say it’s passing right through there. Is that right Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: Yeah.
Dr. Kinley: I just wanna know.
Dr. Harris: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: Oh, think that this is three days here, then that’s three days here. Moved the waters off of the face of the earth and let the dry land appear. See what happened here? Red Sea. Now Egypt is one, the wilderness is two, Canaan’s Land is three. Most Holy Place, the Holy Place, the mediation or the middle, and the Outer Court. Now the tabernacle has got to be the same way. Most Holy Place, Freddy, Holy Place, the Outer Court. See it there on the chart? Now the staff, you’re so smart, and you believed what somebody said. The origin of the species, Darwin’s theory of evolution, that man generated from a cell, first into a fish. And then he went on to something else, and then he went on from there to a monkey. Well, and it looked like he remained a monkey. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) But anyhow that’s what he said. Man, and then some monkey. Ain't that right? Now you know what he did there? Man is made in the likeness and image of God. And what he just said, God is a monkey. See what you’re monkeying with? Alright, I, I... But the cell is made up of what?
Fred Allen, Jr.: Nucleolus
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Dr. Kinley: Nucleolus
Fred Allen, Jr.: Nucleus
Dr. Kinley: Oh point up there, they don't know what we're talking about?
Fred Allen, Jr.: A nucleolus, a nucleus and a cell body.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Well, is your picture up there? How about You?
Fred Allen, Jr.: Spirit, soul and body.
Dr. Kinley: Go back. Pneuma, psyche, and soma. Soul, body, and spirit. Alright take the atom.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Proton
Dr. Kinley: Now you're a big scientist. Ha. Ain't this beautiful. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You're indeed in nuclear research. And we're gonna bring back some of the moon or lunar deposits, for analyzation down here. Atomic research. Now wait a minute. Atom. Go ahead... Atom is composed of what?
Fred Allen, Jr.: A proton, a neutron and electron.
Dr. Kinley: We got you ____. Anyway you want it to go. Now, you're a geologist and you're a paleontologist. Oh, that name sounds big. Them pinheads, them smart boys. And here's Yahweh, when He scooped out the Red Sea, and the river ____ through them mountains on each side. And on Mt. Sinai out there, Mt. Nebo, had scene already set up and fixed up before you got around. You, a great geological researcher. Somebody say, 'well, I'll tell you what,' said, 'you don't understand, I'm talking about things prehistoric.' I'm talking about archeological research. How they dig down, get this one now. Catch this one. And they call the ____ age, the Ice Age, the ____ian age, the Stone Age. Now I'm talking about things prehistoric. You pinhead. One of them smart boys. Now that's his thoughts.
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Dr. Kinley: We're gonna go with this Godhead. Three days. Now that's 33. Yahshua fulfilled the law and the prophets. When he crossed over the River Jordan, 33 days. So He did 30 ____. Three and a half years in the 3 days. 33. Yes indeed. There's always somebody talking about 'must Jesus carry the cross.' No, nobody.., they don't look back to find out. Now when they come up out of Egypt, they had them
Student Body: Kneading boards.
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Dr. Kinley: Kneading troughs on their backs. They called 'em kneading troughs, you make bread out of them. They carried 'em, but He's got to carry one too, if that's the case. And here's Isaac...
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: back there, Isaac carrying that wood. Said, 'Well what is.., where is the sacrifice? Oh, boy. And He told you about the ram with the thorns. The boys have been telling you about it. That ram caught in the thicket there. The crown of thorns on His head and Him carrying the cross. You can't even see off the end of your nose, and you just let this lying bastard... 'Uh, you...' I know you were gonna make a mess out of it.
Now you know what a bastard is? 12th chapter of Hebrews tells you what a bastard is. A bastard and a true understanding, from purely, from a lexicological point of view is one that's born out of wedlock. And you call it a leg.., a leg.., a illeg, leg, leg child.
Dr. Harris: illegitimate
Dr. Kinley: Illegitimate child. Can't even talk. Born out of wedlock. Now here you are, you're a wonderful preacher, and born out of wedlock.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: How'd you get born out of wedlock? You won't receive no chastisement or no correction by the scriptures. All scriptures is given by the inspiration of God. You're born, but you're not born again, so you're a illegitimate... You won't receive the correction, even after you sit down there and read it. That's the reason why I said a bastard. Let me just toss in this word. Old. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) 'What'd you say that for?' What did you do that for? Well, here's why we did that. Michael and his angels fought. Michael cast him out of heaven. 'I thought God cast him out?' No, He didn't. He don't go pulling nobody's job like that. ____ ____ the job. He's got the advantage anyhow. Put Michael on it, Michael, 12th chapter of Revelation it is, I don't have time to go into all that, he cast him out of heaven. And so now here he is down here. Old Satan, which was cast out of heaven, down there in the garden of Eden.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And there.., now that's the reason why I called him an old.., cause he's come all the way down. And look, since that was in the scriptures that way, then when Jesus, as they say, come along, He had to choose 12, and the one.., He knew who he was. He didn't have no other choice, then they killed Him. Judas. And He had to walk around with him. He knew all the time who He was.
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: He wasn't fooling nobody. You get the point? And Judas come out of the tribe... (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And He didn't tell on him. He said, I beheld,' I got him right here, clear down here in the garden of Eden ____. He said, I saw him when he fell from heaven. That right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, He has, He has to choose the one man. He said, 'haven't I chosen the twelve and one of 'em is a devil, but don't nobody know which one of 'em it was, until it got right down to the end that night. The scriptures had said even now... You talk about the Last Supper and what all you know about it, and all that kind of jive and carrying on.
Judas had to be setting, had to have, be positioned right there where he... Is that what the scriptures said? He's got to be where he sopped in the dish right with him. Now if he was setting up yonder on the other end of the table, you not gonna ____ that far. Had to be setting right there beside Him. And John had to be setting over on the other side. He's eating supper with John. 'How come ____? We'll get into that.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: We'll get into that some other... We'll get into that. Now I'm just going to tell you, the cloud that followed 'em along. I said the cloud. And He spoke to 'em from the mountain, that mountain of burning fire in the eyes of the Children of Israel. Now you say.., look, I said cloud. Now I want you to turn over, now you watch this one, everybody ____ ____. Here's where you mess up and you mess up every time. And here is the cardinal point, if I can get it over to you. Turn over to the 24th chapter of Exodus. Now look, you're in Exodus, boy, I didn't say Genesis, I said Exodus. And I just get through telling you that they came out of Egypt. Isn't that, isn't that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now watch now. Do you see the absence of something over here, before you change thoughts, the 24th chapter of Exodus and the 16th verse.
Dr. Harris: and the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mt. Sinai and the cloud covered it six days.
Dr. Kinley: Now the cloud covered it six days. Get busy. Finish the sentence, Doc.
Dr. Harris: and the seventh day
Dr. Kinley: and the seventh day
Dr. Harris: He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud,
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Dr. Kinley: He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud, the seventh day. Now, you see this cloud covering the Mount? And then now he said the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. The cloud covered it six days. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: and on the seventh day... Now this is why you can't start there. Now I want, I want Genesis 1:1 now.
Dr. Harris: In the beginning
Dr. Kinley: In the beginning
Dr. Harris: Elohim
Dr. Kinley: of Moses vision. Now listen, I said... Move your foot boy I might just step on your feet. How that cloud covered it six days. God did not create the heaven and the earth in no six days. Say, 'can't you read? Don't it say that down here in the sixth chapter, in the 20th chapter of Exodus.' Yeah, I read the Bible too. No, never created in no six days. You wanna argue. Wanna to start something? Well then you tell me who created the day, the six days for Him to create something in, if you're smart.
No. The six days that this cloud hung over the top of the mountain. And Moses is seeing the vision and it took him six days to see the vision while that cloud hung over the top of that mountain. Now what Moses is seeing in the vision... You got Genesis 1:1 now, haven't you?
Reader: Yes
Dr. Kinley: You See where I had to start at? Semi-colon me up that...
Reader: Colon.
Dr. Kinley: ...six days. And on the seventh day you got a, you got a colon there. Is that almost right? Now look, Freddy, that ain't no good either. Unless it be confirmed that ain't a ____. And old Rev, he gets going to town. Now here's John out on the Isle of Patmos. Moses seeing in his vision the island's surrounded by water, or the earth surrounded by water. And he saw Elohim, ain't that what you got there in the 16th chapter, in the 24th... I wanna know Bill, whether that's right or not. Does your Bible say so? In the beginning of his vision, that's what he said. Here's Moses, I said seeing the earth surrounded by water in the beginning of his vision.
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: That ain't no good unless it be confirmed. John is out on the Isle of Patmos. And an island certainly is surrounded by the.., or land surrounded by water. Moses said, they saw Elohim or God, is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And Moses said those waters moved, the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And Moses looked through these seven days seeing that vision. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That ain't no good unless it be confirmed. John's got to be out there on the.., to hear that Spirit moving on the face of the waters. John is out on the Isle of Patmos and he hears the waters. Heard a voice behind him. No, not in front, behind. How'd he get like that? Moses is looking this way and John, he's looking this way. So he's got to turn around, heard a voice that's behind him. So he's got to look back here. Heard that voice behind him, and he said he turned to see what the voice was. And then he turned around. What did he see? He saw the same one as Moses saw back there in the Mount with the golden girdle, eyes flames of fire and his feet as burnished brass. Now how do you know about that? Don't you see the brass out here. Don't you see the shekinah up here? Don’t you see the garments of beauty and glory, the gold, what's the matter with you? And said out of His mouth was sharp two edged sword. How come the two edged sword? Got to come this way and back that way, from Alpha to Omega or the ____. Now he turned around there. Oh, boy. Now he's giving you an account of... Now you said the cloud covered it six days. And you said that Moses took the vision and put it over in the first part of the book of Genesis. Now the devil he don't even have brains and sense enough to realize that he's reading a vision.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form, darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God covered the face of the waters. God said, 'let there be light.' I want to know whether that's right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: God divided the light from darkness. What'd He do that for? Don't you see these divisions in this tabernacle. See how the tabernacle is divided into three parts? So He divided the light from the darkness. You see, each one of them days is Him operating. And He is Sanctorium of sanctorium. He's the whole show. For the Elohim, Yahweh and Yahshua, the Holy Spirit, He's the whole show. He's the producer and the director and plays all of the scenes. The whole show by Himself.
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: Alright. Now I say, this ain't gonna be no good. I said the cloud covered it six days. Turn and read in Genesis, starting in Genesis the first chapter and the first verse. Do you see any cloud there?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: I wanna know if you see a cloud. Well, if you don't see a cloud there, you can't follow, if you don't see a cloud, you can't follow. Why? Cause this the purpose. That's why you can't follow. You must have got to come up out of Egypt, go through the Red Sea, where the cloud covered the top of the mountain. He said, tell you what he saw here in the cloud, that's the vision you're reading there in Genesis. And scientist said, 'well, I can't understand it, why the sun can be on the fourth day. No, no, you don't see, you don't know, that's why you don't understand it. Said, you got to have the sun, ____ the sun. And then the seed of vegetation penetrated the soil on the third day and you have the sun coming in on the fourth. Said, 'we can't reconcile it.' Here's the Son back here.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's the Son. Yes indeed. He was the true Son. And the sun, this sun you see up here in the sky, that's only a figure of Him. All the natural things are typical of the spiritual.
Now you see why that you can't start in Genesis? Now Moses is writing down there, first part of that Book in Genesis. And the next time he goes up in the mountain, the third time, it says, he seen the heaven and earth. Of course now I just got, I'm, I'm gonna take this ___ too, a little later on. Make a connection to this one this evening.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: I'll take a bet. I'll show you how smart you are, before it's over with. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I'll show you all what it's done, and you just take this book and just back it up together. I hear the police. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) The ____ too. So look I'm gonna tell you who's gonna speak tonight. I'll take care of that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now you all can sweat it out from there, the way I feel about this, but I'm gonna buy this one this afternoon. Will you all come back?
Student Body: Yes. (APPLAUDS)
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by Dr. Henry C. Kinley
Los Angeles, California
audio cassette recording received from Lamar Greer (#20B)
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 69.1224
transcribed by Sandra J. Giragosian
first proofreading: Debra MaNeeley
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Susan Ameigh
fourth proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fifth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking
directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley, pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, do you see what I mean, you see what I'm talking about, do you see what I'm talking about, understand, you understand, do you understand, understand what I mean, ain't that right).
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable.
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
1st speaker: Fred Allen, Junior
TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Moderator: ... the Founder and Dean, I guess you could say we were blessed, although I've, I've heard him describe it as something other than pleasant, when he actually received this vision and revelation. His vision was the start of the teaching. Dr. Henry C. Kinley is his name, and he will be our next speaker.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I just wanna say that I hope that you, you've gotten something out of that. One thing we do try to do down here, we don't just try, we just go ahead and do it: and that is, we point out everything by the scriptures, and that removes all doubt.
Now, just reading the Bible, I'm back again to that, just reading the Bible, that don't mean you know anything about it. I'll tell you just like ____ ____ ____. Now listen at what I'm gonna say to you. Now what you have to do, what you have to do, and that's what Brother Freddy has done, you have to make these correlations. Now, if you don't make the correlations, there's nothing you can do
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about it.
And I wanna tell you something else. You must remain a skeptic, until you have some profound knowledge of these things. It's a physical and mental impossibility for you to believe in something you do not know anything about. Now, that's why we made these charts. And I set there as Dr. Allen was up here talking.., and it's the thing that I labor so hard all the time to get the people to understand. And as Dr. Harris and them say often, great big words (Dr. KINLEY HITS THE BOARD). Why? And how you know it?
How do you know what you're reading? How do you know the Bible's so. Well, somebody say, 'Well, I just believe it's so.' Well, that won't get it. No, indeed. Just won't get it. Now, look here. I'll try and make a few real quick ones.
Now, you read in the Bible that Noah builded an ark, and he put one door in it, and one window in it. Now, suppose I say to you, 'Why?' 'Well, I don't know, but the Bible says that he did.' I say to you as, and as they say now. Now, you listen at me. They say, 'Well, now, look. I don't believe that the children of Israel come out of the land of Egypt and went through the Red Sea.' They are trying to fix some way to make it convenient for it to make possible for them to have done that. So then, they say then it was the Sea of Reeds. Now, did you ever hear tell of anybody getting drowned in the Sea of Reeds? They're trying to figure out some way to make it possible. Then, another one said, 'No,' said, 'I'll tell you what I think about it.' That's what they told me when I first come here. Said, 'now I think that the Children of Israel went through the Red Sea at low tide.' They're trying every kind of way to make it possible. Then he said to me, 'Well, what do you think about that?'
Now, if you don't have no knowledge of these correlations, you cannot answer. You can't answer. Now, you remember, I talked about the one door? Now I'm talking about the Red Sea. Now, nobody don't, they don't see why that you would slip off of thing into another. You get the point? Well, I'll show you.
Now, this one door in this Ark, like you see here, one door in this Ark, one, just one way in through it there. Now, you just had one door, or one entrance, or one way through that Red Sea. Now, do you see that? So, if there isn't but one way through this Red Sea, there can't be but one way through, in, in that Ark. Get the point? Now, if that's so, then there can't be but just one door in the Tabernacle. You get it now? Now, if that's so, then Yahshua the Messiah, He has to be the one way, and the one door, and the one entrance unto... Just one, just, just one way. Ain't no need coming up with no sixteen messiahs and all that kind of thing. That's the reason why He said, I am The Way. He did not say I am the ways.
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And almost all of the books that I have picked up to read, where the theologians have written, and expressed this, truths, a whole lot of truths. There ain't but one Truth. That's right. And He told Pilate... Pilate said, 'Well, what is truth?'1 He said, I am the Truth.2 That's right. There can't be but one Messiah, then there can't be... and He's the Truth, then there can't be... I'm talking about the oneness of it all through there. There wasn't but one door, and one way into Joseph's new tomb. It's hewn out in the rock, that rock.3 So that He stopped that up.
Now look, now watch how you catch somebody. Watch how you catch somebody. See what I just said? Do you see what I just said about the Red Sea?
Student Body: Uh huh.
Dr. Kinley: About the one door, the one entrance in there. Now, we're gonna catch you right straight in the, in the middle of the Book. Now, here on the third day in the creation, three days journey from Egypt, through the Red Sea, through this door. Three days journey. Water closed off here.4 Now look, if this was low tide, if this was low tide here... This is on the third day, third day down here, then this has got to be as you read in the first chapter of Genesis, the new creation, the earth was inundated or surrounded by water. And on the third day, you got it right in your Book, then the waters was moved off of the face of the earth, and let the dry land appear.5 Well now, if this is low tide, then this is low tide up here.
Now, then on that third day, the seed of vegetation penetrated the soil. Right?
Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: Now, here on the third day, here's the seed of Abraham passing through the Red Sea. You see how simple it is? That's why we can't understand nothing. We've got so many opinions, and what nots, until we.., when we read over here in Genesis, we done forgot all about over in Revelations. And that's what you have to do, you have to put this Bible together so it makes some sense.
Now let's take this one. If you notice on this chart here. I didn't draw a picture of this. This is the first one we made. I didn't draw a picture in here, Abraham and Melchizedek, I didn't draw no picture there. I thought like this: well now if I can show them this and that, and I'm trying to save drawing. I couldn't find nobody in the first place, everybody I got to, said, 'well, I can't. I, I, I don't think I...' There's more 'I can'ts.' So I just had to settle, and condense this whole entire work as much as I possibly could, but in the meantime I've, I'm trying to... well, I'll
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1 John 18:38
2 John 14:6
3 Matthew 27:60
4 Exodus 14:21-22
5 Genesis 1:9, 10; Psalm 95:5
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put it this way. Just one plate'll do the job.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: One plate'll do the job, cause it's all got to be the same. There cannot be no errors. Now if you mess up here, I'm gonna get you forty, thirty-nine other times. Now, if you go down to that end, you come back to this one. Any mistakes you make down there, I'm gonna get you. Now, it takes that, Doc, to prove that there is a Yahweh.
Now, I talked about Abraham. Now, you heard him talk about the birth of the Messiah. Is that right? Now, listen. Watch. Now here is Melchizedek. He is king and priest of Salem, which is the ancient name for YaruSalem. 'I thought that, made that Jerusalem out of that.' No, I didn't say that.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, look. Abraham met Melchizedek. And Melchizedek, king and priest of Salem, are you listening, long before the Law ever come into existence, 430 years, and when Abraham met Melchizedek, now this is what I want you to see now, and he was blessed of Melchizedek. The seed was still in his loins: Ishmael and Isaac had not been born, but he was blessed of Melchizedek while the seed was still in his loins. Now then, you watch. I can just take that anywhere I want to, and you can't head me off. Ain't nothing you can do with it.
Now, let me show you. Yahweh is masculine and feminine within Himself. Being masculine and feminine within Himself.., let me show you what I'm talking about. This Spirit, it contained everything, attributes and all, so when Spirit took on shape and form.., you got me now, and in this shape and form... Now, where He came from was from here, from pure spirit, taking on a shape and form, there's nothing in this that isn't in that. Now, then He come on down into this. But now, before He come down into this, then you got to take this and bring it out here in this Man. We've got to take this and bring it out in this Man; in other words, what comes from here has got to come here. Then you've got to come down here in this Man, Man made in the likeness and image of Yahweh. Now, if that's so, then in this man, in this man, Adam, and in this Man here, that woman has got to be in that Man. The seed. There it is over there.
Now, let me tell you something else about that. Now, this one's talking about a king and a priest. Take it up to that plate right there, Clyde, next to it. Now, I want them, just them two plates, just them two alone.
Now, when Yahweh... Here's something else folks don't understand. Now, when Yahweh made that man out of the dust of the earth, now, you listen, now somebody's always saying, 'He blowed in his nos...' No, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and he became an animated soul, or a living soul, the man. Now you watch. Got your eyes open now? Then Yahweh took that man and put him in the Garden of Eden. Listen folks, the man's got a belly. He's got
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a belly. That's one of his organs. Now watch. Now he calls... Now, it looks like... Don't, don't miss this one. Don't miss this one. Now, he was created out there in the open parts of the earth, then Yahweh took the man that He created and put him in the Garden; in other words, the man was not created in the Garden.
And then in the Garden, in the Garden of Eden, listen now, He caused a deep sleep to fall upon that man, in the Garden where the fruit was, the fruit for his belly, where the trees was, was in fruition, when that man was created. Now, if that be true, then as Dr. Freddy Allen told you, then if this man, Romans 5:14, got to be a figure of the one that come. Now, He just... He can't be born no wintertime. That's out of season. Read Genesis 8:22, seed time, day and night, summer and winter, shall not cease, not while the earth remains.
Now then put that man in the Garden, caused that deep sleep to fall upon him. I wanna show you something there. Now, when Adam was taken from the dust of the earth, he was an inanimate object, just the same as he were dead. Then, when the Creator breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, he's a living soul.6 Then He takes the man and puts him in the Garden, where He planted a Garden east in Eden, and put the man in the Garden. Now listen. Now He caused a deep sleep to fall upon him. Now, that deep sleep that He... fallen upon him... The man hadn't committed no sin. The man had not committed no sin. Now, that deep sleep was symbolical of death.
Then He takes, now, then He goes into his side and takes the woman out, of his side, in the Garden. Now, there's something..; in other words folks, there's got to be something to eat there in that Garden for that man and that woman. Now that, by itself, ought to tell you that Yahshua the Messiah cannot be born in no wintertime. Can't be born, not, not that way, and be no figure of Him that was to come. Do you see it now? There's just no sense in arguing about it. It just can't be so. Alright.
Now, we go right back to Melchizedek there. Now, the reason why I didn't draw it on this chart here was because it's the same, ain't no difference in it. There isn't one bit of difference in it.
Now, Abraham... Bringing it right from pure spirit into shape and form, and then down here, then take it just the same way back, with the man, and put him in the Garden. Miss Eve is right there. She's got, she's got to come out of him, both masculine and feminine.
Now, Abraham, meeting Melchizedek.., and His priesthood is after the order of Melchizedek, not Aaron's. Now, what we are in as of now, I mean now, today, is the priesthood of the Messiah, which is after the order of Melchizedek. And Melchizedek was king and priest. If Melchizedek was king and priest, then Yahshua the Messiah, and Him only and by Himself, is the one and only King of Kings, and High Priest of High Priests, as of now. Today. And He is officiating.
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Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And He's qualified. I mean today, now, in this dispensation. ____ in the Dispensation of Grace. And He knows the difference between the Law, the Dispensation of the Law and the Dispensation of Grace, and so forth and so on. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, look. Now, Sarah, she was barren.7 Abraham, he's old, and he had to have strength; he couldn't have no son. So Yahweh gave him strength to fertilize that spermatic fluid within his loins. I'm talking about Abraham. Now, Sarah, she was barren from birth. Now, you've got an impossibility set upon both sides: on Abraham's side and also on Sarah's side. Well, now, why about, why that?
It all brings you right back to the same thing all the time. It's, folks, listen, let me say it this way. It isn't anything else but just a constant repetition all the time. It ain't, it ain't doing nothing but repeat, it's repeating now, right straight on down. And look, if you don't start right, you don't have no chance of ending up right, because Yahweh declared the end from the beginning.8 Now, it's not a speculative thing, it's not a haphazardous thing, it's not a presumptuous thing.
Now, when the Jews, listen at me, when they read the writings of Moses and the prophets, they went and done as we do. They put their interpretations on it, what things meant. They missed it. Now, in the Talmud... Now, you know what the Talmud is, Freddy? The Talmud is a Hebraic interpretation of the Law and the Prophets. They're using operations. They'd walk up to Messiah, and they'd ask Him, said, 'Moses, in the law said thus and so forth and so on. What do you say about it?' Talking about the woman that should be stoned.9 Another case, somebody said, said there's a.., Moses had a, a man has a, seven brothers had a wife. And one died, the next one took the same wife, and so on down, and all seven of 'em had her. Now, in the kingdom, whose wife is she gonna be? All seven of them had her.10 Now, that's that Talmudic interpretation. You see what I'm talking about? They'll run into Him, try to tie Him up, and tangle Him all up. Now, this is what He said to 'em. Now, remember, they had the, they had the Torah or the Law, walking around. They had the Talmud too. And oh, that boy thought he was something else. You know what I'm talking about? Carnal minded as he could be, looking at everything in a literal sense. That's the reason why Yahweh gave 'em natural things to eat: it typified spiritual things.
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7 Genesis 16:1
8 Isaiah 46:10
9 John 8:3
10 Matthew 22:23-32
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Now, they take that back to the Garden, too. In the trees in the Garden, the fruit of the trees in the Garden. The fruit of the Spirit, that's what it typified in the Garden, them trees in the Garden. ____ physical ____. The fruit of the Spirit. Now, that's what you feed, that's what you're gonna have to have. You're gonna have to have the fruit of the Spirit. You're not going to run around here with no unleavened bread. Get that? And call yourself keeping the commandments of God. No, we're not trying to keep you from keeping the commandments of God, but we want you to know what they are. Cause if you don't keep 'em, you're lost.
It said, thou shall not commit adultery.11 Well, the Jews went to Him with their Talmud, and they tried to tie Him up. And to make a long story short, cause time's expired, when they told Him, said, 'Listen, you do...' I mean, they got the Book. They got the Torah. They got the Law and the Prophets. And then when Messiah says, you don't know the scriptures... 'Don't tell me I don't know. I got the Book.' Well, since you say you got the Book, that ain't all you don't know. You don't know the scriptures, and neither do you know the power of God. ____ ____ ____ both ways. I'll tell you, it's something.
But unless you know how to go about this thing, to put it together, this Bible ain't gonna make no sense. No sir, it just ain't gonna make no sense. And you're not gonna believe it, either. We like to pat ourselves on the back, and say, 'we believe this and we believe that, and we believe the other.' You say, 'Well, I believe it. Well, I understand.' No, you have, you're gonna have to understand something, cause if you don't, if you don't understand it, you can't make the grade. That's all there is to it.
A lotta nice folks in the world. A lotta academically trained, scientific, and philosophical men; walking lexicographers, and etymologists, extemporaneous oratory. Profound. Yes in... And his oratorical ability will stand your hair on your head, Yes, indeed, when you get through with it, you ain't got nothing, just a lotta junk.
Now, the thing I'm saying to you in conclusion, is now why... Get back up there to Melchizedek. Now, here's Melchizedek, king and priest, and he's blessing Abraham while the seed is still yet in his loins. Now look, just like this, the angel here is overshadowing this mercy seat in the Most Holy Place, in your, in your pattern, and this word is laying in here. Now, that's what Brother Freddy tried to do, was to show you, not the angels, but Yahweh, Leviticus 16:2, said He would dwell, dwell up in the cloud above the Mercy Seat, between the wings of the cherubim, and that Law was laid down in. Now, Mary's body, and Sarah's body. Melchizedek blessing Abraham while the seed is still in his loins. And here, it's just like the seed is in here, pressing the loins of the Virgin Mary. Then that spermatic fluid that was put in the womb, the barren womb, because Mother Earth she's in a virtuous state. She's barren before organic. Do you know what I mean by organic? Yes, she was produced... The Earth was, it was without form and it was void. It's, it's, the matter was amalgamated, conglomerated, a coring mass, no
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order. Now when that spermatic fluid is put in the womb, it takes on shape and form. Then it's the same thing here, coming from this spermatic fluid here, shape and form, and then comes on down.
Well now, what I'm saying here is: that seed that was in Abraham's loins by the blessing of Melchizedek, which was a figure of Yahweh, Yahshua: it was a figure of the whole thing. Yes, indeed. Now that's the reason why he's without pedigrees and genealogies. This one ain't got no pedigrees and genealogies. Mother Earth is a virtuous state, and Yahweh is the Father, Yahweh Elohim. You can't say Adam's grandfather.
Now, some scientists come up and say, 'listen, the pre-Adamic creation.' Yeah, there is a pre-Adamic creation too, but he don't know what he's talking about. Now here's the pre-Adamic creation: the angels or the spiritual creation was before the physical. That's pre-Adamic.
Now, watch this one, and it'll mess you up. Adam created the whole thing.
Student Body: Okay. Uh huh. Hmm.
Dr. Kinley: Now you're messed up, cause this is the first Adam back here. (Dr. KINLEY HITS THE CHART)
Student Body: Right. You're right. (LAUGHTER AND CHATTER)
Dr. Kinley: (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) You see that now? See how quick you can get all messed up and turned around. You don't know the story. Then, that just means this, that Adam created everything there was, the woman and everything. Everything, there wasn't nothing created without Him. He was the first, and He's the last. He's the beginning and the end. But now then, this man back here, He's the first heavenly figure. This Adam here, He's the first earth man. And one was a figure of the other. Now, the first shall be last, and the last shall be first.12 This Bible won't make no sense at all unless you really know something about it.
Now then, listen. Now, Sarah, receiving that seed, and then it penetrated her loins. and she was barren, just like Mary, just like Mother Earth impregnated with the seed of vegetation. Abraham, in his seed, seed passed on to Sarah, and then he's born. Sarah, she's barren, just like Mother Earth. She's barren and destitute, until Yahweh fertilized her, and put that seed of vegetation in there; in other words, put matter into it, organized then. Oh, it's so wonderful, so true.
Look brethren, let me tell you something. I, I'd, I'd just like to say this to you. That's one reason why we tell you, 'come on down here.' I don't care what you believe. It's all right with me. You can believe in a, anything you want to. And you don't have no other alternative than to believe just first one thing and another, and first one way and another until somebody shows you the reality of it. Now,
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if you're wrong or mistaken about something, come on down. Wouldn't it be better for you to find out about it now?
Student Body: Uh huh. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: What's the use of you running on talking about, 'well Jesus so and so and.' Now, that's just not His name. So, you just might as well find it out now. Somebody's got all hot in the collar because 'look here, brother, I'm.., all my folks believed in Jesus, and today is Jesus' birthday.' You get the point? That's alright when you don't know no better, but come on down and find out whether that's the way it is or not. Then when you find the truth about something, forget the other part of it.
Say, listen, don't you realize it's got to be a negative and a positive. There's got to be a good and a bad. How would Yahweh ever be able to show His power or manifest Himself, if He didn't have an opponent or an adversary. Raised up Pharaoh, and then harden his heart. 'What are you doing that for?' I'm gonna show off on him. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Now, you set around with you and your diabolical dogma, and won't stand correcting in the scriptures. Getting all, they come here and tighten all up, get all tightened up, said, 'look, I wasn't raised like that. I'll tell you, now all of my people were this, that, and the other. I'm a so and so bred, and I'm a so and so born, and when I die, I'll be a so and so b...' Why don't you come on and learn something about it.
Yahweh don't care about... There were 3,000 of 'em killed right in the Wilderness in one day. Don't care about doing away with you and your hard head. Yes, indeed, down here you wanna learn something about the truth. We don't need two opposing parties in here.
Now, I said I had a vision and a revelation. Ain't nobody done nothing with it.
Student Body: Right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: It's 37 years, going on 38, and listen, we seen all, pretty much all of the so-called smart boys. They've flocked down here. 'Don't take advantage of him,' like they did up here. Tell us all you know. If you can't get it out this time, come on back. If you can't get it out here, come on back, just ____. But I'll tell you one thing, if you, if you will come, and it's better that you do, before we get done smacking you over the head, 40 different times with the same thing. It's a repetition, all the way, all the way through, and from Genesis on to Revelations. When we get, when we get through with that... One thing you'll have to do. I'll tell you what that is. You either have to join us, or get out one of 'em. You can't stay here and be no ignorant fool. It's impossible. And there's a, there's a whole lotta folks belong to this school, all over the country. And we've had 'em from just every whichaway. Now I do, and we have been every which way, all across this country. We've met 'em from... You know what I'm talking about? And so far as
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books, comments, what the not, and Jews, Roman Catholics, Protestants, and academically-trained theologians, and Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Camelites, Dunkards, Roman Catholics, Church of Christ. We got 'em from everywhere, setting right up behaving theirself too. They done got the living daylights beat out of them, murder the man. Get on out. We've got the black Muslims. We don't care where you come from. Buddhists and everything else. You just have to go down. You can't take it. Somebody always has to say, 'look, he don't know me.' Yes, I do, don't you tell me, I know everybody, I been everywhere and seen everybody. I know you, who do you think you are. Somebody say, 'well, who do you think you are?' That little black knappy headed, round shouldered, hump backed, ugly.., trying to say something bitter. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Let me tell you something about that stuff you talking about. Let me, let me tell you something about that stuff. All you have to do, just keep coming round. Just keep coming around. And finally by and by, we'll get you sitting in your place and you'll be glad that you did. And then children, let me tell you this. You will be happy. All of the wars, and the pestilence, and famine and it's between the blacks and the whites, and the reds and the yellows, and all of the strife and confusion that's going on on the world. Here you are happy thankful, just happy; and every last one of you oughta be shouting happy, that amid all this confusion, all of this religious deception, and nothing gonna do you no good. While it's just reading around in the Bible or out of it, that ain't, that ain't gonna help you none. What you have to have, you have to have the Holy Spirit in you. Eating crackers, and drinking grape juice, and setting around some place, calling yourself keeping the sabbath day and all that kinda... That's not gonna help you, Wallace. You just have to have something. They come along and tell you the white folks have got to love the black folks; and the black folks to love... That ain't no way to nobody ____ nothing like that. You have to have something there. And you got to make sure that it's there. Just how you know that you've passed from life unto death? Said, 'Because I've read the Bible.'
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: 'I belong to church.' No. When you love the brethren. Don't nobody have to ask you nothing. You don't have to testify to nothing. You can tell within yourself. Somebody said, 'Well, how am I doing?' I'll ask you, do you love the brethren?13 Never mind, never mind. Don't need no testimony. You can answer that one for yourself. Now, when you get around to the place where you love the brethren, the devil's hold will not make you do that. Let's go now.
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by Dr. Henry C. Kinley
Los Angeles, California
audio cassette recording received from Beverly Allen
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog#: 71.06 SS
original transcriber unknown
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Moderator: ... our founder, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. Now I know all of you enjoyed Dr. Woodland as he did explain. That's where all of the errors and mistakes are made. Everybody wants to be a big shot, everybody wants to be smart with a big name. Whatever you do let me be the big one. There's several places where the Messiah said it's a weak heart that destroys the mind. And if we could just get out of the way once, get yourself out the way, why then, we could learn something.
He made me think about the way I tried to teach after I had that chart made. And while I'm on that I want to mention this: this is a bed sheet but now you wouldn't.., I don't know of a bed sheet that would be this short. Now a part of the bottom of this has been cut off because it was raggedy, so it's not all there, all of the bed sheet's not there, cause somebody might have wondered about that, but Dr. Gross has pictures. And when I was sitting there I was thinking to myself, I said I wasn't gonna make no more charts. And since he put this, Dr. Gross and Sister Mary, they work with this, put that up there so nice and since he has the photograph of this down here, that would be nice, wouldn't it? Now here's where some of the problem is in trying to teach from this chart. You come right out of the chaosis and it appears to be in the Law here, but now the bottom part of it carried the in between, and because we couldn't get all them ovals in there to
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explain it, so but we put 'em down here on the bottom. Well the bottom is off, so that kind of left us kind of bob-tailed right there. But I thought I'd tell you about that.
But the reason why I mentioned all of that is because there just isn't really no excuse and I wouldn't like to think that anybody was that dumb on the word. Now I mean that there ought not to be nobody here that silly that couldn't understand that Yahweh said, even a fool, a highway shall be there, it shall be called the way of holiness, a fool shall not error therein. Now how in the world, as big a fool as anybody wants to be, now anybody can see that this thing here, this trip, this migration, the Red Sea divides Egypt from the Wilderness. Now any fool can see that. I mean look at it with physical eyes the way it's drawn out. And if you don't believe it's that way, then go on over there. See for yourself. There's the River Jordan, it divides the Wilderness from there. Now you just got, that's all you got, just a 1, 2, 3, just a 1, 2, 3, just 1, 2, 3, same here in the atom, and in the proton, I mean in the atom and also in the cell. Now you just don't have no excuse. Try reading that once. People think that they're, they're gonna run up in the judgment, and say, 'well look here God, if I had known, if somebody had just called my attention to it, why I, I, I would have done this but I didn't know, didn't nobody tell me.' But that won't work. My, my advice to you is not to go up there like that. That's right. You ain't got no excuse. Yahweh abolished everybody's excuse about everything.
Now this is another thing too that I wanna mention. I set and thought about this today: being deceived. Now there's nobody that understands what it's all about that's gonna try to deceive somebody.
Audience: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Nobody on earth that understands what it's really all about is going to try to deceive anybody. I want that to sink in. It's somebody that don't understand that's trying to make somebody think that they do understand when they really don't. Now how about that? Ha. No.., nobody that really understood the thing would be trying to fool anybody at all. Now that's kind of bad, wouldn't you say, when you look at the world, Christendoom over. Now just like Billy Graham, now it sounds alright. Billy Graham, he was on the TV tonight, might have been on the ____ ____, I just happened to stumble up on him there. I was fooling around with the channels there looking for something and stumbled up on Billy Graham, so I listened. And he finally called for them that want to accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior. I thought to myself, 'ha, ain't, ain't that something, as his personal savior!' Now when you stop to think about personal, you're talking about the flesh. Now the whole thing's got to be changed. Ain't a bit of it gonna be saved. So now that does away with, as he said so comically a while ago, black folks, they wanna be recognized, and the white folks they wanna be recognized, and the red folks they wanna be recognized. They just had a scrimmage there today, out there on opposite sides, ha. Everybody want's to be something. Now I told 'em around here whenever you can get one in, do something to keep him. Keep him around long enough for him to get his eyes
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open. And the it.., now that means this: get him on a board, or plank, or raft, or ship, on some kind of committee, or do something, put some responsibility on him so you can keep him, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) put him in the choir or something. Nobody wants to sit there and be a seat warmer. Let him sing or do something. Can't do that. Pat your hands, Ha. Ha. Yes. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) You're supposed to be busy in this school. There you are at work. Now they that went in the early morning, they worked on down to the 11th hour, and finally the 11th hour here come in some, that's where you come in at, when they all got paid off, all of 'em got a penny a day. Looka here I've been working all day and this fellow ain't been working but one hour, and they're getting what I got. Ha. Ha. He don't get no more righteousness than you do, Ha. Ha, all or none. And as He said, you're a testimony against your own self.
Now the reason why I thought maybe I would get up tonight, now we said so many things that are true, but they're hard. It's hard for somebody to digest and assimilate something that they have been taught all their lives. You're just not going to get over those things overnight. And then you can go on for quite sometime and every once in awhile that thing will spring up again, you just have to... And you think about all of your folks on back, just so you don't go back too far, cause if you do that, if you back too far, then you'll run back into him back there. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And it tells you there that all have sinned, have come short, from the fall of Adam so don't carry him back too far. Now it's alright if you wanna bring it forward and get into this second Adam, which was Yahshua or the Elohim from heaven. That's alright, you should do it that way.
But now look folks, with all of the earthquakes... Now you stop and think now, with all of the earthquakes, tornados, cyclones, air pollution, that breath you breathe. Remember how Elohim breathed into the nostrils of Adam and he became a living soul. Well, now the atmosphere which you breathe is full of carbon dioxide. And it's a lot of people have to leave different places and try to go to some other place on the account of smog, or like that. Now, now that is the air you breathe. The water you drink is polluted and contaminated. Now the food, DDT and insecticide that they have to spray on it, in order to raise anything to keep the worms and the bugs from eating it up. And food poisoning, now they canned up food, and it used to be that you opened a can and they'd tell you to empty it right away, don't let it set there in the can but empty it right away to keep it from getting poison. Ptomaine poisoning is what I'm talking about. Now here's what I'm getting after: now for you to sit up and be a big enough fool to think that the end ain't coming, look at India, Cairo. Down in Korea they had problems down there. You can't leave out of this country going overseas without getting some kind of shot, ____ ____ ____ then you just walk around just stupid. Scientists are saying now that the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean, the Great Lakes, and everything have been dumped into them, and they're just as polluted and contaminated as they can be. And no longer than this evening they were talking about the soldiers returning and giving them a job of cleaning up the Great Lakes, on TV. It may be in the paper and it may be on TV again tonight, but that's what they're talking about.
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Now, here's another thing too: now our boys that they're sending overseas, they go over there and they pick up these narcotics, come back, they're drug addicts; in other words, if they don't get killed one way, they're killed another. There just isn't any way of escape, and nobody is safe. Look at the man out there, killing 25 people right under your nose. And listen here, let me tell you this: the courts is all piled up, they've got case after case. The hospitals are all filled up. And it doesn't make any difference what's the matter with you and how bad you need treatment you have, have to sit, you have to wait. Well you say, 'I know, but this is a case of emergency.' Well just go head on and die, you gonna die anyhow. And you won't be the first one that's ever died and you're not the only one that's dying around here. Now these are just sober thoughts.
And now just like Billy Graham said again, that couldn't nobody prove the existence of God. You don't have to worry with that. Why? Because He proved His own existence. And I'll tell you, and you carry that same badge of identity around on you all the time, you're made in the likeness and image of Yahweh Himself, and the universe and its totality. There isn't anything else, just like the earth plane. Now you stop and think about this, take this home with you and you do some thinking about it. It will help if you do that. And that's why.., now here's what I'm talking about. Now take that Romans 1:19-20.
Dr. Harris: Because that which may be known of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: For because that which may be known of Yahweh
Dr. Harris: Is manifest in them
Dr. Kinley: Is manifest to and in them. Alright.
Dr. Harris: For Yahweh has showed it unto them
Dr. Kinley: For Yahweh has showed it to 'em. And He showed.., and to everyone that he showed the thing to, they all speak the same thing. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: For the invisible things of Him
Dr. Kinley: Now look. For the in.., that makes me stop right there and go over to the 1st chapter of Colossians and get that invisible Deity there.
Mary Gross: Who is the image of the invisible El
Dr. Kinley: Where are you reading?
Mary Gross: Colossians 1:15
Dr. Kinley: Colossians 1:15. Now it's the image of the invisible. Now we tell you all the time that you see this here through a vision. I remember one time I was teaching school in the YMCA and a Sister walked up to me and she said, 'Dr. Kinley, do you, do you really believe in ghosts?' She'd been working on that thing for a long time. I said, 'yes, don't you?' 'Well I don't know.' I said, 'don't you know that your body's breathing is by the Holy Ghost?' Ha. Ha. Ha. 'And now you mean to tell me you don't believe in it?' People just say things and they ain't paying no attention to what they're saying. Now He's the image of the invisible El. Alright, read.
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Mary Gross: The first cause of all creation
Dr. Kinley: Now the first cause, now if you really stop and think about that, now here's somebody running out here saying, 'God didn't create the devil. 'Say, He's the first cause of all creation. Now I'm sure the devil didn't create hisself. If he did, he'd be co-eternal with Yahweh. Well somebody say, 'well he ain't no good.' I thought everything that God created was good and very good. Right?
Audience: Right,
Dr. Kinley: You thought right that trip. Well, somebody will said, 'well do you mean to tell me that the devil is good?' Sure. He's good for what He created for. Sure. He's good and very good. (Dr. KINLEY LAUGHS) ____ ____ ____ Oh me, if we would just do a little thinking it would help out so much. Alright that'll do with that. Now repeat Dr. Harris, them two verses there.
Dr. Harris: Because that which may be known of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Now because that which may be known of Yahweh
Dr. Harris: Is manifest in them
Dr. Kinley: Is manifested in them
Dr. Harris: For Yahweh hath showed it unto them
Dr. Kinley: For Yahweh has, He's revealed it. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: For the invisible things of Him
Dr. Kinley: For the invisible, now we're talking about the invisible El. Now there's some folks walking around here and they're saying this, 'I don't believe in nothing I can't see, touch, and feel, or taste and smell, or some kind of way, I don't believe in that.' Can you touch the wind or the air, or can you see the air? You don't believe in it? People are just nutty for no good reason. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: For the invisible things of Him
Dr. Kinley: Now for the invisible things of Him
Dr. Harris: From the creation of the world
Dr. Kinley: Now, wait a minute, now, now wait a minute, now let's weight this thing out. Now let's weigh this thing out as we go along. Now just to sit there and read that and skip on, you don't get nowhere with nothing like that. Now here's what I mean. Yahweh, from the very creation itself, the sun, the moon, the stars, and everything, everything that's created, from the time that it was created, everything was made as it is made, for what purpose and for what reason? Read.
Dr. Harris: Are clearly seen
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Dr. Kinley: Now you can look at the visible and understand the invisible. You can feel the wind blow. As the Messiah told Nicodemus, you can't tell where it come from or where it's going. And you say, some people say, 'I don't believe that.' Look here comes up a tornado or cyclone, and you can't get away. 'Yond goes your house.' I guess you don't believe in that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I'll tell you, stupid. Alright, read Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: The invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen.
Dr. Kinley: Now, Yahweh is making everything, as Dr. Woodland said there, Yahweh's making everything as it is so you don't have no kind of excuse, none whatsoever. Now, here you're gonna run up in His face and say, 'well look, I really didn't know.' Billy Graham said, 'can't no man prove the existence of God, so I believed what Billy said, and I didn't know no better.' Don't you go up there like that. Don't you try that. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made. Now let's get after that. Now let's get after that. Now you listen at what I'm gonna say, and I'm gonna break it down this time. Now we often say this, speaking about the Godhead. Now the reason why we're saying that, using that expression, the Godhead, is because people think, 'well, God the father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost,' and they call that the Godhead. But now all of it is important. I want you to understand what I'm talking about. All that come from the Father, and there's nothing else in existence but the Father in two manifestations. Are you following me now? Now, Yahweh made everything that He made so that you wouldn't have no excuse, to abolish your excuse of anything you can find, it doesn't make any difference what it is. If it's an atom or a proton, or a man, or a beast, or it just really doesn't make any difference, whether its mineral, vegetable, animal, or what not, He made it that way so you just don't have no alibi, and don't have no excuse. Now there's no excuse for your stupidity. Now, we'll say it this way, say the same thing around the other way. Now we're talking about the Godhead and the universe.., now let me put this in here because somebody may think that the universe is just materialized, so then I'll use it this way, the incorporeal and the corporeal parts of the universe. Now look, that's all that there is. There isn't anything else other than that. That's something to think about. Did you know that? Alright now look, now let me show you a stupe. Now if you see how each one of these days is divided up into three portions: just like this is one, one, two, three, and everything you got here is one, two, three, one, two, three. This is the same over there on that chart, I'm trying to squeeze 'em all, one two three, one two three, one two three, one two three. What's this? This represents the Godhead and the universe.
Another important thing he said when he was up here: 'Whatever it is that you choose to take to try to disapprove the existence of Yahweh and His purpose..,' whatever you take, doesn't made any difference what it is now, now that's what we need to prove that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Do you follow that line of reasoning? That's something to think about. But there is so many manifestations and man just stumble over 'em, he can't see for
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looking, he can't see nothing for looking. Then he'll let the devil come along and blindfold him. Now you remember I said a while ago, nobody, nobody on this earth plane that knows what it is truthfully all about will try to deceive or fool somebody. You can't be like that. You couldn't even be like that even if you tried. So the fellow out there that's preaching and teaching the false doctrine, he don't know what it's all about. That's evidence that he really doesn't know what it is all about. Oh, I tell you, I've got so now that I just take one, a time at a time, just try one more time. And as I said before, I just really don't think there's anybody in this building that stupid, after all of these many multiplicity of manifestations that's there. And then look folks, let me tell you about this. Now you're gonna have to read some. 12th Chapter of Revelations. I'm gonna have to hurry, but what I'm trying to do, I'm not trying to do what you call preach. Course true teaching is preaching. Now it's time for us to understand something, read it right down, right from the first verse.
Dr. Harris: And the temple of Yahweh was opened in Heaven and there was seen in His temple the Ark of His Covenant and there were lightnings and voices and thunderings and an earthquake and great hail. And there appeared a great wonder in Heaven.
Dr. Kinley: And now there appeared a great wonder in Heaven.
Dr. Harris: A woman clothed with the sun
Dr. Kinley: A woman clothed with the sun. Now you hold that. A woman clothed with the sun. Now how are you going to prove that? John is out on the Isle of Patmos, he's down near the end of it and he's looking back this way, and he said there appeared a great wonder in Heaven, a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet. You haven't read that yet. Now if you would just stop and think about it, now John mustn't see nothing there in the Revelation, he just mustn't see nothing there that ain't back here. Now here's the woman... Now here's something else I want you all to understand, too. When Yahweh made the man, He made him outside of the Garden of Eden. And I want you to know that He did not take that woman outside of that man outside of the Garden of Eden. Can't do that. He's got to put him in the Garden of Eden, which is a symbol of Heaven itself, where this woman was in Heaven, she was clothed with the Son. Well now whatever was there, it's got to be right down here. Oh, I'm telling you, isn't it wonderful, with the moon under her feet. Well now, let us look at that one. Now here He is, or the Son and the Law represents the Moon. This is the woman and the moon is under her feet. They had the order, 'don't touch, don't bother nothing back there.' That's the law. ____ ____ ____. There's a wonder. There ain't no wonder about a carnal minded folks and people that don't understand, and a person that don't know. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And upon her head a crown of twelve stars
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Dr. Kinley: Upon her head a crown of twelve stars. Now this was in Heaven. Now I told you there was 12 orders of angels in Heaven and there's got to be 12 orders down here. Now you just read that there was. Now whatever was there, it's just nothing else but a photostatic copy, Godhead and all right in the material realm. Now John, he's out there confirming what Moses saw, nothing else but that. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And she being with child, cried
Dr. Kinley: And she being with child,
Dr. Harris: Cried
Dr. Kinley: Cried
Dr. Harris: Travailing in birth
Dr. Kinley: Travailing in birth
Dr. Harris: And pained to be delivered
Dr. Kinley: And pained to be delivered ____ ____. Now, let's put it like this. She's
clothed with the Son, and she.. right while she's within Him, she was pregnant. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) And when she's taken out, now you know good and well what happened. You've heard about the chromosomes, genes, spermatozoa, and all likea that. Oh, me. Ain't it wonderful? Alright, read. Now what I'm after, I want you to skip on down there where there was a war in Heaven, there's another wonder there, that's what I want to get after.
Dr. Harris: And there appeared another wonder in Heaven
Dr. Kinley: Now there's another one, and now that gets these two wonders together, and gets it on down in the earth plane. There appeared another wonder in Heaven. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: And behold a great red dragon
Dr. Kinley: A great red dragon
Dr. Harris: Having seven heads and ten horns
Dr. Kinley: Having seven heads and ten horns
Dr. Harris: And seven crowns upon his head
Dr. Kinley: And seven crowns upon his head
Dr. Harris: And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven
Dr. Kinley: And his tail drew the third part of the stars from heaven. Now let's catch up on something so that you who would, won't think that there ain't enough.., there ain't but one devil, just like there's one Messiah, there's just one devil, the rest of 'em are demons, or in other words, they're his followers. Michael and his angels that fought, and then Lucifer or the demon or the devil and his angels fought and they prevailed not, and they were cast out. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And his tail drew the third part
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(THE TAPE WAS CHANGED AT THIS POINT AND A FEW STATEMENTS WERE LOST.)
Dr. Kinley: and as the stars of heaven, and however many there are the tail drew the third part of 'em. Now here's what I'm trying to get over to you. They were cast out of heaven, cast down into the earth. And they being spirits, ministering spirits... You get this word, ministering spirits. Ministering spirits. You heard me, I said ministering spirits. That's the reason why there's so many of them in the ministry.
Audience: Right. Yeah, that's alright.
Dr. Kinley: Them devils in there, they're ministering spirits. Yahshua the Messiah said I didn't come to be ministered unto, but to minister. Are you following me? Now then, there was war in heaven and they were cast out, a third part of the stars from heaven. Now that means this: there's enough devils.., I'm using this, I told you that it wasn't but one devil, but there were enough demoniac spirits to go around. You ain't gonna never get to a place where they're short of demoniac spirits. There's enough to go around, in fact you could have a legion. That's right. The Messiah was a long ways from Adam when He come through the loins of that woman. And He cast them demons out and they come back legions. So we're not never gonna get short. Now I told you what they were: demons. Now let me just go head and call them devils, ministering spirits, every whicha way. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And there was war in Heaven
Dr. Kinley: Now there was war in there
Dr. Harris: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon
Dr. Kinley: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon
Dr. Harris: And the dragon fought and his angels
Dr. Kinley: And the dragon fought and his angels
Dr. Harris: I'll skip on down to the 1Oth verse.
Dr. Kinley: Yeah, skip on down.
Dr. Harris: And the great dragon was cast out
Dr. Kinley: And the great dragon was cast out
Dr. Harris: That old serpent called the devil and Satan
Dr. Kinley: Now the devil was cast out
Dr. Harris: Which deceiveth the whole world
Dr. Kinley: Which deceiveth the whole world. Now read, I wanna put this in. I'd like.., Freddie put this ____. The 3rd Chapter of Genesis. Now we gonna put this together. Alright. Now read the... Now you pay attention, you pay attention, cause it'll help. Now look at the 3rd chapter of Genesis and began to read, now hold that place there.
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Dr. Harris: Now the serpent was more subtle
Dr. Kinley: Now the serpent... Now wait a minute, now the serpent. Now you're gonna have to work this out here. Now if I said to you, what serpent? Then there's somebody always figuring that it was a snake crawling along on the ground. Well I'll say this, if it was a snake that crawled around on the ground, he crawled around in heaven before he did on the earth. But now here's this serpent, here's the parenthesis, which was cast out of heaven, see how I got that in the Genesis, said that old serpent was cast out of heaven. Now here you're over here in Genesis talking about the serpent. Read it there in Genesis.
Dr. Harris: Now the serpent
Dr. Kinley: Now the serpent, then I'd say what serpent? Then you say that old serpent which was cast out of heaven. He's the one that spoke to Eve back there, it's the one that was cast out. Now there's been war down on the earth, now ever since he was cast out. Somebody say 'well, did you know about the First and Second World War?' You're wrong altogether. The war's been going on, ain't never stopped, just going on all the time. Somebody say, 'yeah, you mean over there in Saigon and over there in Vietnam, is that what you mean?' No. Right in here. Paul said the flesh was warring against the spirit. Now that's the war. Now you see what was cast out of heaven, then you go ahead and write the rest of the sentence in there, that's in Genesis. Now I tried to put these things in the book so that you look could see, but what I've got to do if I put it in parenthesis, then I'll have to put the verse here in here so that you can see where I got that from. Now he deceived that woman, and it come all the way down. Now the woman is a type, is figurative of the congregation because she's the mother, that's why Eve was called Eve. Now I want you to listen to what I'm talking about. Now you got a good mother over here, then you got a bad mother over here, a harlot. And I don't have time to tell you about that old Red Dragon because I don't want to keep you in here over time, I just want, I just wanna make a few comments, that's all I wanna do, just make a few comments and show you just the simplicity of it. Now then the devil come all the way down, the woman, and as we said, now you read there in Hebrews in your lesson about them ministering spirits and he made his angels flames of fire. And then over here in Revelations, John said if any man would.., his two witnesses would prophesy forty and two months or 1260 years clothed in sackcloth and ashes, and so if any man would try to hurt them, His two witnesses, the Law and the Prophets. They're the two witnesses, not Jehovah's Witnesses. They prophesied 1260 years, and if any would try to hurt 'em, then fire would proceed out of their mouth and burn up their enemies. That's the reason why a preacher, he can't sit here long. You got to learn all that. I didn't know, I didn't know you all knew me. He can't stay. We have to make our own ministers, he can't stay. Now they been running out here, even this past week, trying to get with the Church of Christ, and get with this one, and get with that one, and get with the other one. And we've had them ever since we've been around here or at least tried, and they just won't stay here. They can't stand it. And if you should happen to get one to stay, it's just like this: folks the harvest is past. Now what we're doing is going back picking up little pieces here and the pieces there and when you get through with it you won't have nothing but a remnant or a little small bundle that's walking around here on the face
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of the earth.
Now here's what I'm saying: if it was war in heaven, then it's got to be war down here. And them satanic spirits battled in heaven and then cast out and they're incarnated or embodied in men, and that's why the Messiah sent 'em out. Now here you got the devil standing up here, I don't have time to go into that thing about Pagan Rome and Papal Rome. And if you notice on that head, seven heads.., but he didn't
SIDE 2:
(THE FOLLOWING PHRASE IS NOT ON THE TAPE, BUT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT. IT WAS PROBABLY LOST WHEN THE TAPE WAS DUPLICATED) suppose you read that
Dr. Kinley: in the 20th Chapter of Revelation. Now listen to what I'm saying, upon the head was written what?
Audience: Mystery Babylon.
Dr. Kinley: Mystery Babylon, and then what else?
Audience: Mother of Harlots
Dr. Kinley: Mother of Harlots, and what else?
Audience: Blasphemy
Dr. Kinley: Blasphemy. Blasphemy. The name of blasphemy, this is the name of blasphemy. Now translated, this, this is Latin, Vicarius Filii Dei, that's Latin. It means the Vicar of the Son of, of God. Now there's three rings in that crown. Now Yahweh even set that planet... Well, what one?
Audience: Saturn.
Dr. Kinley: Saturn, out there in the sky. And here's something else a lot of people don't know. The ancient name of Rome was Saturnia. Then if you take that name, as we put it in the book, you take that name and bring it right down, than you got the ____. Now Traina, that wrote this Bible, he said he doesn't think that that applied to the Pope of Rome. Now here's why he said that he didn't think that it applied to the Pope of Rome. He said that the man of sin must come out of the house of David, just like Jesus and Judas. You see the point? Jesus or Yahshua was of the tribe of Judah, and so also was Jehudah, Yehudah.., that's the first name. Now let me show you this: now the flesh is nailed to the cross. There is no more such thing as a physical Jew. Now what we're talking about and the reason why we put it on Rome.., you can take Franklin Delano Roosevelt and add up his name and it'll come out to 666, but he's the wrong man. What's the difference? We're talking about world dynasty. Satan is universal and so also is Yahweh. Adam was the first man, on the 6th he was created. And we go on down and Babylon has ruled the world twice. Babel, then Babylon, that's her second time. Now look, she ruled the world, not this United States, that's not what
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we're talking about. See that man standing over there on that chart way down there in the middle, we're talking about world dynasty. Now Vatican City or the Vatican, you have Ambassadors from every which a way down there at the Vatican and it was a world rule ecclesiastically so. And then they didn't stop at that, they had Church over State. And there's no law that can be given that means anything to them; in other words, old Satan sat down there. And you can't put Franklin Delano Roosevelt.., and then anybody.., why then a lot of people's names would add up to 666, this is not Pope Paul, but the thing fits everyone of 'em that occupies that position. That's Babylon, and Media, and Persia, and Grecia, and Rome, papal and pagan. So now you've got to find that and put it on that devil that it belongs on. Now the crown, the crown, that is the name of blasphemy. Now just like.., well let me put it this way, now just like the spirit... You all ring that bell on me.
(THE BELL WAS RUNG.)
Alright, now just like the spirit that's in two manifestations. Now look I told you I didn't want to keep you over time. Now here's the third. Now then here you got this: one - Vicarius, Filii - two, Dei - three. And that was in that crown and it was set in there in rubies and diamonds. And we raised so much cane about it, even since I've been in Los Angeles, Pope Paul gave his crown away, and we raised so much sand about him setting in St. Peter's Chair, and saying that Peter's Chair, that he set upon the throne, and set in St. Peter's Chair. We made 'em, even made them.., look, we done that. Don't you start no arguments with me, I was planning on a visit to 'em. ____ wasn't there. They took the chair that they occupied down there, was not Peter's. Gave the crown away. Now when you get married in the Roman Catholic Church, you're burnt up, meaning this: you couldn't get no divorce, get some papers of separation. Now would you please explain to me Pope Paul this evening, he said that they were going to grant annulments. Now what the Hell is the difference between an annulment and divorce? The devil will just say anything and do anything, he'll tell you any kind of lie. But if you're married to Yahshua the Messiah, there's not gonna be no divorce, that's His bride. Isn't it wonderful? Aren't you really glad that you got something to be thankful for? You running around, your mouth all poked out and sore about something all the time, you oughta be thankful.
Can I just tell you one more thing, I know it's time to go. They even messed up this Bible in order to get something over to you in the Vulgate. Didn't translate it right, and I'll tell you what that is. You want me to tell you?
Audience: Yes, sir.
Dr. Kinley: Now if you read it, be quick. Now the 9th Chapter of Daniel and I think the 24th verse. Now 70 weeks is determined. I want it read out of the Holy Name Bible cause they translated it correct, but they didn't translate it that way in the King James Version.
Reader: 70 weeks of years
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Dr. Kinley: Now, now, I want, they done rung the bell so get right down to where he was cut off.
Mary Gross: 26th verse. And after three score and two weeks
Dr. Kinley: And after three score and two weeks
Mary Gross: Shall the Messiah be cut off
Dr. Kinley: Shall the Messiah be cut off
Mary Gross: Without a successor to follow Him
Dr. Kinley: Without a successor. Now here's what I'm telling you, Peter did not succeed Yahshua the Messiah. He didn't have no successor. Well, why didn't He have a successor? Why? He's gonna raise from the dead, He's not dead, He don't need no successor. Now if He was dead, He'd need a successor, but He's not dead, so He's cut off without one, because He's gonna raise from the dead. Now I done gone to preaching. Now II Timothy, I think it is 2:5. Read that and then we'll go.
Mary Gross: I Timothy 2:5
Dr. Kinley: I Timothy
Mary Gross: For one is Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, for one is Yahweh.
Mary Gross: And one is
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. All of this that we got covered up here, all of this is One is Yahweh. All of this is Yahweh, in incorporeal and in physical, but Yahweh is One. Just like you got one tabernacle, we've been through that: one is Yahweh. Read.
Mary Gross: And one mediator between Him and men
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, one... You get this straight. One mediator. A mediator means a go-between Him and men.
Mary Gross: The Man Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: No Sir. Pray to Mary.
Audience: No.
Dr. Kinley: Pray to your Patron Saint.
Audience: No.
Dr. Kinley: Pray as Paul said there in the 2nd Chapter of Colossians, the worshipping of angels, pray to Michael.
Audience: No.
Dr. Kinley: Pray to Gabriel.
Audience: No.
Dr. Kinley: Pray to Mary.
Audience: No.
Dr. Kinley: Pray to Peter.
Audience: No.
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Dr. Kinley: Pray to Paul.
Audience: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now then you round here trying to tell me, and as Billy Graham said Sunday, 'go to the Church of your choice.' It really doesn't, it really doesn't mean anything, you just might as well go to the church of your choice, if it's gonna be according to your choice (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) ____ ____ your choice without a knowledge of it.
(STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS)
Dr. Kinley had asked Dr. Harris to read a letter dated May 19, 1971 from Dr. Alfred G. Garrette, publisher of the first edition of God, the archetype, original pattern of the universe. His letter is in response to an IDMR invitation to the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research 1971 International Convention.
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by Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
audio cassette recording received from Lamar Greer (53 A)
1 90 Minute audio cassette
Catalog#: 71.06 WW
transcribed by Richard Share II
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking
directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease
in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Previous Speaker: Patricia Mathess
Moderator: Receiving his divine vision and revelation, asked one thing of those who would hear him, and that was to make him prove that he did indeed have a divine vision and revelation. I am most happy to be one of those who he has proven it to. Our founder, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you. I'm always happy and glad to be here. And I always anticipate revealing something to someone that has a desire to know. I appeal to the strangers, it is an emergency here. Now, Sister Pat, Doctor Pat. Now I think she done a good job.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now there's a Speakers' committee setting up here. They wanted to ask me, said, 'what do you think about putting her up this morning?' I said, 'No, I don't think you oughta do that.' So the person that asked me that ____ ____. And I said to him, 'well now look, it's awful warm. It's hot.' And I thought like this, now let's, let's not burn that woman up to first time. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's the reason why I opposed it. And so I told him then, I said, 'well look, what about trying it tonight.' He said okay. So then that meant that her husband. He's on this staff too. Puts up Pat up this morning. And then Gary Mathess I'm talking
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about. Then he looked over and showed me, I said, 'well what about you?' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) 'Yeah, I'm a little hot.' And what happens is this. You get up here and you speak. And you are wringing wet with sweat you ____. And this is a hard job. And I don't want you to think that it isn't because it is. And this is no place for inflation of ego.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. And about the time you think you got a whole lotta something learned, you got it all down pat, then you're just getting ready... (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right.
Now I thought about when she was up here, and also this morning when we was here, about Moses slaying this Egyptian and running off out here in the land of Midian. And there he set on a well. And Jethro's.., had seven daughters. And they were tending the sheep before Moses got there. So Moses, he went out there, and he set down on that well. And those seven daughters, those that tended the sheep out there, he drew water for ‘em. Well now, you may go in church a long time. Now I wanna find out now whether you read this. Now since you say that Messiah is gonna fulfill every jot and every tittle of it. Now could you tell me anything about where it says over there in your New Testament, as you call it. You been going to church a long time. You know where it is?
Dr. Harris: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Have you got it there?
Dr. Harris: The fourth chapter of John.
Dr. Kinley: The fourth chapter of John. Okay, read.
Dr. Harris: When therefore Yahshua learned that the Pharisees had heard that he made and immersed more disciples than John, though Yahshua himself immersed not, but his disciples, he left Judea, and departed again in to Galilee. And he must needs go through Samaria. Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Shechem, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. Now Jacob's well was there.
Dr. Kinley: Read on.
Dr. Harris: Yahshua therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour, while his disciples had gone away into the city, unto the city to buy food. There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water.
Dr. Kinley: (LAUGHS) Now you see? Now you been reading this New Testament all your life. Now unless somebody come along and shows you that, when you read over there in Exodus, (LAUGHS) you wouldn't, you wouldn't even know that. I never heard a preacher say anything about it. Not in my life. Did any of you?
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Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now what else did he say to that woman?
Dr. Harris: Yahshua saith unto her, give me a drink. Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, how is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria?
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? Now here's what you got here. Now Moses, he's out here with these so-called Egyptians...
Student Body: Midianites.
Dr. Kinley: Midianites. And now, what business does he have fooling with them?
Student Body: Yeah. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Remember Miriam and Aaron. They didn't like that so well. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: The Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
Dr. Kinley: Now the Jews, they don't have no dealings with the Samaritans.
Dr. Harris: Yahshua answered and said unto her
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua answered and said unto her
Dr. Harris: If thou knewest the gift of Elohim
Dr. Kinley: If you knew. It you just only knew the gift of Elohim.
Dr. Harris: And who it is that saith to thee
Dr. Kinley: And who it is that they were talking about. Lots a folks or a lotta times, the folks, they don't know who's talking ____ ____ (LAUGHS) But you don't know who's talking. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: If thou knewest the gift of Elohim and who it is that saith to thee, give me to drink, thou wouldest have asked of him
Dr. Kinley: Thou wouldest asked of him
Dr. Harris: And he would have given thee living water
Dr. Kinley: And He... Oooh-oooh. He would have given you living water. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: The woman saith unto him
Dr. Kinley: The woman saith
Dr. Harris: Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with
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Dr. Kinley: Sir, you ain't got... You see that now? You been out there fooling around all of your life and you didn't have nothing to draw with, cause you didn't know nothing about what it was all about. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And the well is deep.
Dr. Kinley: That well is deep. Yeah it's deep esoteric secrets. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now that makes me gonna have.., hold that second chapter of I Corinthians, and down there about the spirit searcheth all things, yes the deep things of Yahweh. Oh I'll tell you. Are you following what I'm talking about. Alright, better read that.
Dr. Harris: But as it is written
Dr. Kinley: But as.., now wait just a minute. Now you're gonna.., set to show you some of the things and how you can ____ and stumble around, reading around in the Bible. Now you don't know what you're reading. The reason why I'm saying this, that's what she said she had done. And you're not gonna come down here and set back and know, for one ____ know ____ ____ and you go off. You got it all solved after. You got it all, you got it made. You're just not gonna do that. One of the reasons why you're not gonna do it is because you're dealing with a, an infinite and an unlimited and eternal Yahweh with an eternal purpose that reaches through ages. Now none of you are gonna set here and know.., you won't hardly set here two hours. Alright. But as it is written. Now when you read that. Now somebody said, 'well now look, I'm reading right in the New Testament and this is what it says, so and so and so and so.' No, that's not what it is was reading. Now that'll take it right on back over yonder. Isaiah 62.
Students: 64
Dr. Kinley: 64
Dr. Harris: 4
Dr. Kinley: 4. Now the prophet is commenting on what is written back over there in Isaiah. Now you are setting up here telling me that you're reading it out of the New Testament. And you say that Paul said it. He didn't. Then you might wanna jump it over in Isaiah and let Isaiah... Isaiah didn't write it. You got something to learn. Alright. As it is written.
Dr. Harris: Eye has not seen
Dr. Kinley: Eye has not seen
Dr. Harris: Nor ear heard
Dr. Kinley: Nor ear heard
Dr. Harris: Neither has entered into the heart of man
Dr. Kinley: Neither has it entered into the heart of man
Dr. Harris: The things which Elohim has prepared for them that love him
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Dr. Kinley: Which Elohim has prepared for them that love him. Now what Paul is doing here, he's quoting what Yahweh's revealed to Isaiah. And at that time back there, the mystery and the revelation was not known.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: How about that. It's written on back there about that woman and the well back over there. And you been reading down here in the fourth chapter of John. But you never even thought about associating them. Now how about that? Alright Isaiah, eye hasn't seen, ears haven't heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man the things that Yahweh has prepared for them that love him.
Dr. Harris: But.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Now you got a 'but' here. A 'but' is a conjunction, and it joins together. And, but, if, and for. You got a conjunction here that joins, not exactly, but reach way back yonder about 700 and 12 or 14 years. But what?
Dr. Harris: Yahweh has revealed them unto us.
Dr. Kinley: Now what when they was working with it back there, it was.., the purpose was yet not revealed. But Yahweh has revealed them unto us.
Dr. Harris: By his spirit
Dr. Kinley: Now he wasn't talking about us, us here Christians. That ain't what he was talking about. He has revealed 'em to His apostles. And here's what he said about that. He said, now it's given for you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but it is not given to the Gentiles.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Oh I tell you. There's more to this thing than, than what it looks to be. Alright. But Yahweh has revealed them unto us. How did He do that? Read.
Dr. Harris: By his spirit.
Dr. Kinley: Now look. Here you come. Williams.
LaSalle Williams: Yes, sir.
Dr. Kinley: Your church. Now said. 'Why, why you always on them churches?' Cause.., don't you want the gospel preached to you? Don't you wanna know if you're wrong about something and when you backed it up. But Yahweh's revealed 'em unto us by His spirit. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: Now here you are up here, Jehovah's Witnesses and all of 'em, the Church of Christ, up here preaching, and they said you wasn't baptized then, You don't have the Holy Spirit up here now.
LaSalle Williams: That's what we taught.
Dr. Kinley: Now if that's so, you haven't got no business up here preaching. Don't even try. Because it's only revealed by the spirit. No business up here running your mouth. I talking about from an ecclesiastical point of view. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: For the spirit searcheth all things.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Hold it now. For the spirit searcheth all things. What? Read.
Dr. Harris: Yea the deep things
Dr. Kinley: Yea the deep things of Him. Now let me switch back. Now when Moses broke that, those first tables of stone. And he had to go back and hew out some more of his own. And then take them up there in the mountain. It's just like you taking your old stony heart up. And then.., I'll have to cut this up short, but I'm trying to make a lot of.., I'm trying to make a point and hook these two things together. Now when he got that second tables of stone, he had to come down and lay them in the ark of the covenant. Now that ark of the covenant is symbolical to your brain up in here, your mind or the cloud that is up there. Now if the Jehovah's Witnesses or anybody else come along and say that the Holy Spirit or the Law of the Spirit... They don't know, they don't know nothing, they don't know what they're reading about or the New Covenant written in the heart and in the mind. They haven't even got a remote idea about it. See how quickly you can connect the thing there? Now that'll almost take you over here in the New Testament in the second chapter of second Corinthians, or the third chapter of second Corinthians, I should say. And there you will find that the apostle said, do we begin again to commend ourselves or is it necessary, as some others... Now we're after, right on, now we're after this writing in the hearts and in the minds. We're really after the New Testament now or the New Covenant. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Ye are our epistles
Dr. Kinley: Ye are our epistles.
Dr. Harris: Written in our hearts
Dr. Kinley: Written in our hearts
Dr. Harris: Known and read of all men
Dr. Kinley: Known and read of all men
Dr. Harris: For as much as ye are manifestly declared
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Dr. Kinley: For as much then as you are manifestedly declared to be epistles of Yahshua. Read and known of all folks. ____ ____ acting a jackass in a ____. These folks are reading you. You are our epistles. Them to whom Yahweh has revealed His secrets. And just.., let me put something on that. And every last one of 'em that's born after the flesh persecutes you that are born after the spirit.
Student Body: That's right,
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now you try to get up and get out some of that stuff, and see if you don't have some persecution.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And they don't have even a remote idea about what it's all about. You just have to have the Holy Spirit to reveal it. You just reading around and.., that ain't gonna get it. If I would say something like this to you, and unless you knew just exactly what I've already went over, it would sound like I was unreasonable. Suppose I would say to you then, 'why did Yahweh tell Moses to lay them ten commandments in the ark of the covenant?' Now if you didn't know, then what you'd have to say to me, 'well it's alright, it's the Word of God, He did tell 'em to put 'em in there, didn't He?' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And said that.., 'if.., even if I don't know, I do know that He told him to put it in there.' He can't answer nothing. He don't know why he put them in there. He don't know. Now if he knew, then he would know that the spirit was gonna write the law, not contained in the.., not contained in the ordinances. But the Law of the Spirit of Life which is in Yahshua the Messiah has made me free from the law of sin and death. It's delivered me from LSD,
Student Body: Yes. Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's the law of sin and death. Now after you read that. That's the eighth chapter of Romans, then you with they stupidity and ignorance, you turn right back around and make them ownself out a liar. And you didn't know that that was what you done. Haven't even found that out yet. Now here's why I said that: this law was given to the Jews only, back here. Now look, you ain't gonna do, you ain't gonna do no fixing around, not with me. I'll beat you to death, beat your brains out. Somebody said, 'Who me? You don't know how smart I am. I got my diploma.' We been laying that rod on you, that rod of iron on you. Somebody said, 'You'll soften up.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now here's what you said, you've said, we just got through saying it, there is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Yahshua the Messiah, as you said, 'it's Christ Jesus in your Book.' You're reading now. There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. Now listen now to what I'm gonna say. Maybe you better catch that and read it. And hold your Corinthians there.
Luther Daniels: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Yahshua the Messiah, who walk not after the flesh
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Dr. Kinley: Now, now he said, who walk not after the flesh. Now you read that, then you turned right around and knocked it all down, then you're a candidate for baptism.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And you just got through saying, 'we don't do that.' You just got through saying you didn't walk after the flesh. And here you are talking about eating the Lord's Supper. And some of 'em are stupid enough to say, 'well, we oughta wash feet too.' Now you just got through saying and reading the Book that you don't do it. And you say the Law of the Spirit of Life which is in Yahshua the Messiah hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, just couldn't make you perfect. Finish reading Doc.
Luther Daniels: In that it was weak through the flesh,
Dr. Kinley: In that it was weak through the flesh. Alright read it if you're going to.
Luther Daniels: Yahweh sent his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh.
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh sent his own son
Luther Daniels: In the likeness of sinful flesh
Dr. Kinley: Now in the likeness. He didn't say He came in sinful flesh.
Student Body: No. No. Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: But in the likeness
Luther Daniels: Of sinful flesh
Dr. Kinley: Of sinful flesh
Luther Daniels: Because of sin
Dr. Kinley: And because of sin
Luther Daniels: To condemn sin in the flesh
Dr. Kinley: To condemn sin in the flesh
Luther Daniels: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled
Dr. Kinley: That the righteousness of the law
Luther Daniels: Might be fulfilled in us.
Dr. Kinley: Might be fulfilled in you. Not instituted with him, I said fulfilled. Ain't this is something. Now go on back over to the epistles. We'll try and put it back in the woman at the well.
Dr. Harris: For as much as ye are manifestly declared
Dr. Kinley: For as much as ye are manifestedly declared
Dr. Harris: To be the epistle of the Messiah ministered by us
Dr. Kinley: Ministered by us.
Dr. Harris: Written.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Yes Dr. Harris and Dr. Gross and the rest of these men. You are ministered by us. And since you are ministered by us, then you are our epistles and them people look at you and they read you. They don't understand what's in the Book. Maybe some of 'em think they do. I'm talking about the ministry too, preachers. Alright.
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Dr. Harris: Written not with ink.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. It's not written with ink. Now you listen to what I'm gonna say now, Freddy. Now you listen to what I'm gonna say. We're going right back to the same thing. Now Yahweh wrote these tables of stone with His finger up there in that mountain, in, both instances. Now I want you to listen. Now without any ____ ____ with it, that would indicate then that He would write His New Covenant in your hearts and in your mind. Therefore Paul says it's not written with pen and ink.
Student Body: Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now you've been taught all your life Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Acts of Apostles, and the epistles were the New Testament. Now you're telling me that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and the apostles wrote the New Testament. But I beg your pardon. Repeat what you just read.
Dr. Harris: Written not with ink, but with the spirit of the living Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: But with the spirit of the living Elohim. Read just a little further.
Dr. Harris: Not in tables of stone.
Dr. Kinley: Not, he had to say that, not in tables of stone.
Dr. Harris: But in fleshly tables of the heart
Dr. Kinley: But in fleshly tables of your heart. Just to think that our people have set down and read a Bible and didn't learn a thing out of it. Some of 'em 15, 20, 25, 30, or 40 years. They ain't learned nothing. That's right. Oh me, oh my. Let's, let's take.., when it backfires, check this one cause I wanna pick up something here. Now, Leviticus 16:2 says this, that, oh boy, telling Moses, said, you speak to your brother that he come not always within, within the Holy Place up here, lest he die. For I will dwell above on the mercy seat, in the cloud. I'm still talking about that thing, same thing. Alright, read Doc.
Dr. Harris: And Yahweh said unto Moses, speak unto Aaron thy brother that he come not at all times into the holy place within the veil
Dr. Kinley: The Holy Place within the veil, that's the Most Holy Place.
Dr. Harris: Before the mercy seat
Dr. Kinley: Before the mercy seat
Dr. Harris: Which is upon the ark
Dr. Kinley: Okay, which is upon the ark
Dr. Harris: That he die not
Dr. Kinley: That he die not
Dr. Harris: For I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat
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Dr. Kinley: Now I will appear in a cloud upon the mercy seat. Now here's what I'm after now. So you can see what I'm talking about. Now we just got through writing, said it was written not in tables of stone but in fleshly tables of the heart. And you are our epistle. And here's, here's your cloud. And here's where the law is written, that is within your heart. And so then Moses had to lay that in the ark of the covenant because He dwelleth in the cloud, and here's your cloud up here. And He has to write it within their hearts and in their minds. If He put that one in there, the tables of stone, then the next one goes in, it's written by the spirit in your heart and in your mind. Now when he went into the Most Holy Place and appeared before that mercy seat and threw that blood seven times, I'm fixing to get around now, kinda fix that around from that ____. Threw that blood toward the mercy seat seven times. First for their own errors, and they had to do it for the people, and then for the cleansing of the sanctuary. Now you listen at what I'm gonna say. For I will dwell within the cloud above upon the mercy seat. Now over there in the eighth chapter of Romans, you said that the Law of the Spirit of Life... Third chapter of first, second Corinthians you said that that's written in our hearts by the spirit. Is that right? And it's in the cloud. Look here. Cause He will dwell up there in that cloud. Well what I'm saying is when he threw that blood and finished up that service in that sanctuary, in the Most Holy Place, if it's executed correctly and properly, like he was told to do, then.., He said... Well you better read it. You better read it.
Dr. Harris: For I will appear in the cloud
Dr. Kinley: Now I will appear in the cloud. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: Upon the mercy seat
Dr. Kinley: Upon the mercy seat.., that I will appear. You heard me, I said I will appear. When he threw that blood toward the mercy seat, then Yahweh Elohim, just like you see here, He appeared in the spirit form, appeared upon, upon that mercy seat. Now, what I'm trying to get through to the people is if you have the right thing in you and it's written in your heart and in your mind, then He will appear up here, above upon the mercy seat. Now let's fix that. Now this mercy seat here abode in the cloud and the commandments in the ark of the covenant. Now this down in here is the pituitary gland. Now this appeared in this cloud above on the mercy seat, that's the pineal gland in the body. Now when you are up here talking and shooting off, if you are really Yahweh's people, it will appear to you and you'll have at least enough knowledge to discern whether or not we're telling you the truth down here. There's just got to be something written in there. Alright. Now, when you go back to the woman at the well.
Dr. Harris: The woman saith unto him
Dr. Kinley: And the women saith unto him
Dr. Harris: Sir
Dr. Kinley: Sir
Dr. Harris: Thou hast nothing to draw with
Dr. Kinley: You don't have nothing to draw with
Dr. Harris: And the well is deep
Dr. Kinley: And the well is deep
Dr. Harris: From whence then hast thou that living water?
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Dr. Kinley: From whence then hast thou that living water?
Dr. Harris: Art thou greater than our father Jacob?
Dr. Kinley: Art... Now you're right back again to Jacob's well. We're in the third chapter of Exodus and you ain't never, and you ain't never heard nobody say nothing about that. Have you? If you have hold up your hand. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Art thou greater than our father Jacob which gave us the well and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? Yahshua answered and said unto her
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua answered and said unto her
Dr. Harris: Whosoever drinketh of this water
Dr. Kinley: Whosoever drinketh of this water
Dr. Harris: Shall thirst again
Dr. Kinley: Shall thirst again. That’s what you getting down there, and that’s what you was baptized in and that you're drinking in ____ when its going on down through the system. Why then you'll thirst again. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: For whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him
Dr. Kinley: But whosoever shall drink of His living water
Dr. Harris: Shall never thirst
Dr. Kinley: Shall never thirst
Dr. Harris: But the water that I shall give him shall be in him
Dr. Kinley: But the water that I shall give him shall be in him
Dr. Harris: A well of water
Dr. Kinley: A well of water
Dr. Harris: Springing up into everlasting life
Dr. Kinley: Springing up into everlasting life. Read on.
Dr. Harris: The woman saith unto him
Dr. Kinley: The woman saith unto him
Dr. Harris: Sir give me this water
Dr. Kinley: Sir give me this water. 'I'm tired, I'm tired of coming down here.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)' every ____ ____, I'm sick and tired of it.' sick and tired. Just like Moses is back here. They're tired pumping water out there, drawing water for the sheep and all of that. They're tired of that. Ain't that right? Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: That I thirst not
Dr. Kinley: That I
Dr. Harris: Neither come hither to draw
Dr. Kinley: Neither come hither to draw
Dr. Harris: Yahshua saith unto her
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua said unto her
Dr. Harris: Go call thy husband
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Dr. Kinley: Now, go... now you're getting messed up now. Now you're getting messed up. Yahshua said unto her, go call your husband.
Dr. Harris: The woman saith unto him, said, answered and said, I have no husband.
Dr. Kinley: I have no husband. Whoa. No, no, nope, no, no. Now, these that come out there to the well, Jethro's seven daughters, there wasn't any of them married. They didn't have no husbands. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) 'You been married, now this is why I'm fulfilling that.' To show, He said, now you go call your husband. And she said, I don't have none. Well what did He tell her?
Dr. Harris: Yahshua said unto her
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua said unto her
Dr. Harris: Thou hast well said
Dr. Kinley: You've said well.
Dr. Harris: I have no husband
Dr. Kinley: You've said well. Yes indeed. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: For thou hast had five husbands
Dr. Kinley: For you have already had
Dr. Harris: Five husbands
Dr. Kinley: Five husbands
Dr. Harris: And he whom thou now hast
Dr. Kinley: And he whom you now have
Dr. Harris: Is not thy husband
Dr. Kinley: Is not your husband
Dr. Harris: In that saith thou truly
Dr. Kinley: In that you saith right. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) Oh, I tell you, it's a wonderful thing to be married. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Married to, and then... Now he's the husband man. Now unless you're married to Him, you just ain't got it. Now this is Yahweh, and unless you're really married to Him, you ain't got Him licked. This thing you call married in the flesh, that ain't no good. That's all out, fulfilled. And that's the way it is. You're married to something in the flesh, you don't have no husband. I'm real sorry about that, but that's the way it is. Now she had how many?
Dr. Harris: Five.
Dr. Kinley: Five before then, and then she got another one. That makes six. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now he's gonna be the seventh one. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) That's right. See how the thing fulfills? Oh. You wouldn't notice, if I tell you, if somebody didn't told you.
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: I tell you, it's wonderful, isn't it, to have some knowledge, and to have some understanding. It's well worth while, it surely is. Yeah, Pat...
Student: Mathess
Dr. Kinley: Mathess. You're right. When you said those people there, up here, there ain't no where else to go. They don't talk like this no where else. No where else in Los Angeles. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't say they talk like this anywhere else in California but 1040.14
I wanna point out one other thing. Probably read over that too. Eleventh chapter of Matthew, begin at the twenty-fifth verse.
Mary Gross: And at that time
Dr. Kinley: And at that time
Mary Gross: Yahshua answered and said
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua answered and said
Mary Gross: I thank thee
Dr. Kinley: I thank thee O Father
Mary Gross: Sustainer of heaven and earth
Dr. Kinley: Sustainer of heaven and earth
Mary Gross: Because thou hast hid these things
Dr. Kinley: That thou hast hid.., that's the first thing that we're talking to you about, He's hid 'em from the wise and the prudent.
Mary Gross: And
Dr. Kinley: and revealed 'em unto babes. That's what you got. Alright, read on.
Mary Gross: Even so Father
Dr. Kinley: Even so Father
Mary Gross: For so it seemed good in thy sight
Dr. Kinley: So it seemed good in thy sight
Mary Gross: And turning to his disciples
Dr. Kinley: And in turning to his disciples
Mary Gross: He said all things are delivered unto me
Dr. Kinley: He said all things are delivered unto me
Mary Gross: Of my Father
Dr. Kinley: Of my Father
Mary Gross: And no man knoweth the Son, but the Father
Dr. Kinley: Oh, oh. Now wait a just minute. Now you got to correct Him on that. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) You all got to correct Him on that. Said no man knoweth the Father. Now they come down there and they say, 'yeah, we knew your Father,' ____ mother Mary and them. Now He said no man knoweth the Father. Alright, read it.
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14 1040 South Grand was the street address where class was held in Los Angeles.
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Mary Gross: And no man knoweth the Son
Dr. Kinley: And no man knoweth the Son
Mary Gross: But the Father
Dr. Kinley: But the Father. Alright, read.
Mary Gross: Neither knoweth any man the Father
Dr. Kinley: Neither knoweth any man the Father
Mary Gross: Save the Son
Dr. Kinley: Save the Son
Mary Gross: And he to whomsoever
Dr. Kinley: And he to whom the Son will reveal Him. Now here's what I wanna get after that. He didn't say the saints.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Didn't say Christians. Didn't say Allah. Didn't say Jehovah's Witnesses. And you catch this one, this is a deep one. No man knows the Father but the Son. And no man knows the Son, but the Father, and whomsoever the Son will reveal. Can't nobody reveal the Father to you but the Son.
Student Body: Right.
SIDE 2
Dr. Kinley: And if it's not in there, there will be nothing doing. And no man don't know the Son, but the Father. Rev don't know nothing about Him. How about that? Now you're gonna have to have the Son before you can see the Father. And the Father.., if you find the Son, it'll be the Father that'll have to be reveal it to you. You got it? Now all them are deep things, and all of 'em are deep things, the deep esoteric secrets. And just as Dr. Pat told you, they're just set there. You just have to come to 1040. Now it's been pretty warm down here, but if you don't come to 1040, it's gonna be warmer. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH)
(STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS) END OF TAPE
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
received from Burbank Mitchell
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 71.0704
transcribed by Steve LaPorte
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Geraldine Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Dr. Kinley: Now what I wanted to do was, I wanted to show you when you read the 19th chapter of Exodus how Moses went up in that mount and told.., Yahweh told him to tell the Children of Israel to clean up and gather up around the mountain against the third day and He would speak to 'em. Now you remember that. Don't forget it. Now we wanna move. Where do we go to next? How do we prove it? And what have you learned thus far? Well, I'll tell you something, one thing you should have learned, you should have learned that Genesis was not the first document.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Right? You got that Freddy? And you got it in there that, that, that he took the book and the people and the blood. Is that correct? So then Genesis, the word Genesis means origin or beginning. Now have you got that straight? You read it out of the Bible. Read it again Dr. Harris. So, we wanna, wanna make sure it's in there.
Dr. Harris: Exodus 24: three and four. And Moses wrote all the words of Yahweh. And rose up early in the morning. And later on it said in the seventh verse, and he took the book of the covenant and read in the audience of the people
Dr. Kinley: Um hum, and what?
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Dr. Harris: And they said, all that Yahweh hath said will we do and be obedient.
Dr. Kinley: Now, now that is not, the book of Genesis. That is in the Exodus, isn't it?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now look, there can be no book of Genesis before the Exodus.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's a matter of absolute impossibility. Because they had come out of Egypt, went through the Red Sea and come to the mountain and Yahweh spoke those words. Exodus means a departing or going out, that's coming out of here first. The book of Exodus was before the Genesis. And the commandments that was written both in the mountain by the finger of Elohim and by Moses down at the bottom of the mountain writing it down on the piece of paper, that's the first writing. And that was before the Genesis. Now this is what we have been trying our best to tell you down here in school. For somebody to just get up and go talk about God and Jehovah and Lord and Yahweh, Elohim and Yahshua and you can't find a thing back there. Read John 4:24.
Reader: For Elohim is a spirit
Dr. Kinley: For Elohim is a spirit
Reader: And they that worship Him
Dr. Kinley: And they... And they.., now if you're gonna worship the one we're talking about, you got, you're gonna have to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Now you're gonna have to do it that way. Alright read.
Reader: for them
Dr. Kinley: Now look you ain't gonna do it through no foot washing, and no water baptisms, eating no Lord suppers. You're gonna have to worship Him in spirit and then it's got to be true spirit too. Now look nobody ever saw a spirit or Yahweh in His totality, so when you get up here and say Yahweh this and Elohim that and all them kinda things or God this and God that and God the other and so forth and so on back there. You have to locate Him.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____, that's what we're talking about down here in the school. Now He was incarnated in a physical body walking around down there in Egypt. You don't believe that? And I want you to know this too. Now a lotta times people talk about astroprojection (astral projection?). You know what that means? That you know how to project your inner self out somewhere in the world where it can be seen. All of you do it,
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Student Body: Right,
Dr. Kinley: but you don't know you're doing it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGH) That's right. Don't you set up here and think about something somewhere else.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And quite often and quite frequently if there's much concentration and meditation upon it, that person somewhere else can feel that.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. And it can become an image. Now I don't, I don't go along with astroprojection (astral projection?), that is in the terms of which they're speaking of it. Now here's what I'm trying to tell you, this is what I'm trying to say, this is what I mean, if God was or if Elohim or Yahweh was down here in Egypt or if He had anything to do with this whole purpose and plan, He's got to show up down there in a physical body. Ain't no.., no, no, no don't, no don't get that way, don't come through the loins of no woman. And I wanna let you know Moses was not the first man that He showed up to.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You don't believe that? Alright, the third chapter of Exodus and He said, I am the.., He told Moses, I am the Elohim of your father, and of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Isn't that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: When you're reading for goodness sake, wake up. Now if He wasn't walking around in a body.., Yahweh has the power to just take on a body.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And He did it ten years after Moses left Egypt and walked around there in the person of Joshua, as it is said in your Book. Now that's locating and that's finding Him back there. Then He ain't off and out in thin air and He can't tell nobody nothing. Yahweh was manifested in that body. Somebody said, 'you know one thing I don't believe that.' Believe it or not He's manifested in you.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You can figure that out. Now how about that? Now if that's not so, if that's not so, then He didn't make a man.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: He couldn't, He couldn't make no man...
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Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: if that's not so, it'd be a matter of absolute impossibility for Him to make a man. How can He make a man and animate him and have a man walking around, and He can't do it Himself. Well who done it? That's Him, that's Adam walking, that was the Son of God walking around back there in the Garden of Eden... What's the matter with you? You don't believe that? Look at the first chapter of Luke and the last verse.
Reader: Which was the son of Adam, which was the son of Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? That is a son of Elohim. Now who was his mother and his father? And then you read on a little further it say.., you talk about Melchizedek not having no parents. You see how stupid people are? And you put up something here and they have to knock it down over there, and they don't even realize they've done it. That was Yahweh walking around in that boy back there, Adam I'm talking about. You heard me and I wanna let you know this: Adam was not in the transgression.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And I wanna let you know this too: Adam was not deceived, he was not duped.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And if Adam had been fooled then, then the second Adam would have been fooled.
Student Body: Right. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: He wasn't deceived, he knew what the woman would do.., what Yahweh said. He just voluntarily laid down his life for his bride, and that's why Yahshua laid His down. Now do you see? Do you understand what I'm talking about? I tell you.
Now they're all... Jehovah's Witnesses are all hemmed up on about these written records being handed down. Now look here, let me ask you this. Now who's gonna hand down something about the creation five days before Adam was created.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: You need to know things from Adam down. Now who's gonna tell you about these other ones.
Student Body: Right. It makes sense.
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Dr. Kinley: Now you tell me, who's gonna tell you about 'em. That oughta tell you something. Wouldn't you think? If Adam was the first man and he was created on the sixth day, how in the world is he gonna tell you what happened about the five days before he was created?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: He can't write nothing about it and hand it to nobody. That's right. Are you all following me? Do you all understand? And I'm showing you how damn dumb Jehovah's Witnesses are and the Roman Catholics. Stupid. You all pardon my English. Now the reason why I said that is because the word damn means to destroy and they destroy. It also means condemn. They destroy, they blot out of your minds the righteousness of Yahweh and it can not be revealed to you as long as you believe that stupidity.
Student Body: Right. Okay.
Dr. Kinley: I'll tell you something else about that organization. They got setting out here on the streets around, first one place and another, Kingdom Halls. I'm just showing you how...
(TAPE PAUSES)
the first man was., you ain't even got sense enough to see it, even after looking right at him and rush on. Talking about Kingdom Hall here and joining and they're still talking about He's coming back and set up the Kingdom on this Earth. What the hell is the matter with you? They got Kingdom Halls. You got folks going down to Kingdom Hall and they're talking about Him coming and setting up the Kingdom. Well what's this? What do you mean by this? ____ ____ ____, yet set up His Kingdom, and yet and still they got Kingdom Hall down there. I have to rush on. Are you all up with me so far? If you're not up with me now, then you let me know. Anybody offended?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Are you sore with me?
Student Body: No sir.
Dr. Kinley: If you are I don't care. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I'm gonna tell you anyhow. You can get hot and go on home and then from home to Hell if you want to. I'm gonna tell you. My job is telling it like it is. That's right. ____ I'm not ____ preaching, that's my kinda teaching. If you don't like what I'm telling you up here and what I'm showing you and trying to reveal to you, why it's okay with me. You can just go on and wipe the sweat off.., look, you, you got some burning to do yet. If you don't like what I say here now, we got a place for all them folks.
Now, now this is Moses' first trip in the mount and he got that message to tell the Children of Israel to wash their clothes. That's one trip.
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Now look listen. Now if, maybe you'd better read that. John 3:14. Matthew 3:14, pardon me, and Matthew the...
Student: Matthew 5:17.
Dr. Kinley: No. You better read it if you... No, you got to have a mountain here. You can't, can't ____. You have to have.., probably the fifth chapter and you got to have a mountain here.
Now look up here folks. Now look, now all of this multitude of people that come up out of Egypt, and gathered up around this mountain and Moses went up here and Yahweh told him to go tell 'em to wash up and clean up their clothes and all and gather up around that mountain. If so much as a beast touch that mountain, it would be put to death by a man. He told 'em to kinda stay off around it, cause they can't get near it, but they do. And when Yahweh spoke, they trembled. And just like Dr. Harris.., I heard him when he said it this morning. You setting up here all tightened up. We get right down in there behind you, you wanna play warm, you're just shook up. You wanna play like you're all hot, you're just all shook up. Alright. Now just there's, fifth chapter.
Dr. Harris: And seeing the multitudes He went up into a mountain and when He was set
Dr. Kinley: Hold it. Check the third chapter of Matthew and the 14th verse.
Dr. Harris: But John forbade Him saying I have need to be baptized of thee and comest thou to me
Dr. Kinley: And comest thou to me
Dr. Harris: And Yahshua answering and said unto him
Dr. Kinley: And Yahshua answering and said unto him
Dr. Harris: Suffer it to be so now
Dr. Kinley: Suffer it to be so now
Dr. Harris: For thus it becometh us
Dr. Kinley: For thus it becometh us
Dr. Harris: To fulfill all righteousness
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Dr. Kinley: Now I want you get this fulfill straight, Now here's how I want you to get it straight. Now if you don't get this fulfill straight, there's no hope. Because this is where it's being instituted to the Children of Israel. Now if you can't see this being instituted here then Yahshua coming in to fulfill it, you'll never get nothing straight. Now 1Oth chapter of first Corinthians. I want you to know now. Look, look up here. You been reading the Bible all your life. You've been going to church all your life. Ain't nobody ever told you right to your face that Yahshua the Messiah had penetrated the loins of a woman, was walking around back there in a physical body ____ ____. Ain't nobody ____, ain't none of your preachers know
____ about that. Now here's why I said that. ____ Because He'll have to do it that way in order to come through the loins of a woman and fulfill it. Now the reason why He went to John at the age of thirty, He's walking around down here in, in Egypt, pay attention, pay attention. Thirty years, that's Joshua which you have in your Book and He looked right at 'em, and He heard their cry. Read it. The third chapter of Exodus.
Dr. Harris: Third chapter, seventh verse. And Yahweh said I have surely seen the affliction of....
Dr. Kinley: Now look, He seen it. He's seen the afflictions, while He was walking around down there looking right at it, I mean in a physical body. Now if it had not been that way then, then He couldn't have been walking around here in the physical in the fulfillment of it. Why I dare you to say that He's coming in fulfilling and then He's walking around here in a physical body and He wasn't down here in Egypt in a physical body walking around there looking at their afflictions. Don't you say that. (CHUCKLES) Do you follow me now, Freddy?
Fred Allen, Jr.: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Didn't He say He saw it. Said He heard their cries, looked at it and then told Moses He was the Elohim of his old man Amram and of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob. And said, I saw 'em and looked at it. Do you see.., now we're getting down to brass tacks with you. You have to find Yahweh. You have to know Him and find Him. You've got to prove it. So when He went to John, He had to have been walking around back here. I'm cutting it up short, I realize the time... If He hadn't been walking around down here in the person of Joshua. Joshua was the Elohim or Yahweh incarnated in a body. Now some idiot will say, 'now I don't believe that.' Well, that's what you are. Dr. Dennis and them told you all that this morning.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Ain't, ain't that right? Oh yes them boys preached this morning.
Student Body: They sure did.
Dr. Kinley: Yes indeed. That's one of them convention ____. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Ain't nobody going to offer them no credit.
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Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Ain't nobody on Earth done any better than they did this morning. If you can't get it after this morning, I'm sorry for... ____ ____ ____. Now that's the way that is. Now you can get tightened up all you please but that's the way it is. Get sore about it if you want to, got a place for all them folks. Alright read on. Read on. You, you just read Exodus, didn't you?
Reader: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Is, is that what He said? Said He saw their afflictions.
Reader: Heard their cry.
Dr. Kinley: Heard their cry. He was down there 10 years after Moses left. Now Dr. Harris just went to the board and figured this all out and showed it to you. Step by step from down in here all the way through, til He was buried up there out of Egypt. At 110. And then 10 years after that, they've been in there fifty years. That's the year of Jubilee, that correlates with the Day of Pentecost. Said He would set you free.
Now with what we're after now, we wanna go away from there. Now we wanna get down to business. Now I tried to take you step at a time and I wanna make sure that you understand me up to this vital point. Now, Moses was up in that mountain. Now we have got to the place here now seeing the multitude followed Him just like with Moses. How many of 'em was there Doc? 600,000?
Dr. Harris: 603,550
Dr. Kinley: Now that's a multitude. Now it's being fulfilled here. Now they went up through this, out of Egypt and through the Red Sea, and then to the wilderness. When He gets baptized, where is He gonna go?
Student Body: Wilderness. Straightway.
Dr. Kinley: He would have to go in the wilderness. And if He don't go into the wilderness, He never did fulfill not ____ ____. Then, there's something else got to happen. Seeing the multitudes following, He chose His disciples now and come on back. These were the chosen people. Alright. Now, what you get there in the fifth chapter of Matthew verse one.
Dr. Harris: And seeing the multitudes
Dr. Kinley: Now, and seeing the multitude
Dr. Harris: He went up into a mountain
Dr. Kinley: Now look here He went up into a mountain. Christendoom ain't never said nothing about it. He went up into a mountain. What happened up there?
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Dr. Harris: And when He was set
Dr. Kinley: Now when He was set, remember how that cloud was supposed to set, right on the top of that mountain and Elohim was in that cloud and He spoke from that cloud. That's what the Book says. And when He was set. What, what happened then?
Dr. Harris: His disciples came unto Him
Dr. Kinley: His disciples came unto Him. Read.
Dr. Harris: And He opened His mouth
Dr. Kinley: And He opened His mouth
Dr. Harris: And taught them saying
Dr. Kinley: And He opened His mouth and taught them saying
Dr. Harris: Blessed are the poor in spirit
Dr. Kinley: Blessed are the poor in spirit
Dr. Harris: For their's is the Kingdom of heaven
Dr. Kinley: You see that? Now they're going, they're, they're, they have come into here, and their final destination is up here in Palestine. It's just like.., you don't need to make no ____ ____. This is Egypt down in here. And this is the Holy Place and this is the Most Holy Place. Here it is here. There it is there and here it is over here. Just no sense whatsoever. And He opened His mouth saying. Now read, now I've gotten it. Now you can go down there.
Dr. Harris: 21st verse. You have heard, you have heard that it was said by them of old time
Dr. Kinley: Um huh
Dr. Harris: Thou shall not commit murder
Dr. Kinley: Now whoop, whoop, whoop. Um um. Now ma'am, no sir. Where did they hear that at? 20th chapter of Exodus, and Yahweh said, thou shall not commit murder, didn't say thou shall not kill. Thou shall not commit murder. That's right. Now if He's gonna, if Yahweh is gonna say that then back there, then He's got to go up in the mountains, and set down up there on top of that mountain and his text has got to be the same. And He has got to refer back, said, you've heard of Moses and them of old time, that thou shall not... Right?
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: Now catch this one. Was Jesus or Yahshua the Messiah up in that mountain? Does it say that He was up there?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: But if He was up there then, He'd have to be up there then. And if He's wasn't there, if He's not up this mountain here then He wasn't back here. And if it wasn't Joshua up here with him and the Elohim speaking and Yahweh speaking out of that man ____ ____ ____. Are you following what I'm trying to tell you? Now there's no place else in the world you are gonna go and learn this. I'm the man that Yahweh sent in to tell you about it.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: And look, a sixth grade.., just like they told you. John... It has to be Yahweh in me. There's no way out of that. And I'll have to be in Him to understand it. I know what's going on. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: What do you..?
Dr. Kinley: Fifth Chapter and the 17th verse I believe.
Dr. Harris: Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets
Dr. Kinley: or the prophets
Dr. Harris: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill
Dr. Kinley: Now He said He's come to fulfill. Now all of this has happened back here in the institution. Now He's got to fulfill it. Now Christendoom is out there saying that He come to teach you how to live a Christian life, and that He come to set you an example that you should follow in His foot, His footsteps, who did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth. Well He was a, He was a faker then if that's the case.
Student Body: That's Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Cause you'll, you'll have to admit it, whether you want to or not, that you didn't, you didn't follow in His footsteps. In the first place you wasn't worthy.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And don't you stand there lying about it either.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You know good and well you never done what He done.
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Student Body: No. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Well if you'd followed in His footsteps and He walked down in the River Jordan and was baptized and a dove, the Spirit descended on Him in the form of a dove. Somebody missed it, 'you said the spirit descended on Him in the form of a dove.' Yes that's what it says. Said, 'how can that be?' I thought this was incorporeal. And then some idiot's got a little enough sense to think that that's when He got the Holy Ghost.
Student Body: That's right. They teach it.
Dr. Kinley: Isn't, ain't, ain't this right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And why was it in the form of a dove? I heard that stranger trying to talk about about that one night, a very educated man. Now first I wanna show you this one: I will be what I will to be, so since you look back here. On this veil, and you see the ornithologist or ornithology, the birds that fly through the firmament. Now every time you come upon that second veil you got to have something flying through that firmament. And a bird is one that flies through that firmament so since you come upon that veil then since He has went in there, in there then it's got to be in there, something coming from the firmament. And He was the man so it's got to be a bird.
Student Body: Right, O.K., Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now how about that? Now you look back at it and see if it ain't that way. Every time you come upon that veil, you got to, you got to have some color and all that kind... And that dove, that lamb, back with Abraham and Isaac on the mountain. We taught you that. Now we have to rush. Think not that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets but I have come to fulfill. Now that's what is stated. Now while you're in that 24th Chapter of Matthew. While you're in that 24th chapter of Matthew. Now here He called Aaron Nadab and Abihu and the.., in the 24th chapter of Exodus now. Now I want you to see exactly what I'm talking about. See how the scriptures are fulfilled and how Moses... Now what we're after, what we're after, setting it down now and finding out who wrote the Genesis? And How do you know? Jehovah's Witnesses say they don't. And that's what I told to you this morning. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: Then, then went up Moses, Aaron, Nadab and Abihu.
Dr. Kinley: Now this is after He done spoke to Moses, after He done wrote down the commandments with the finger. And that was before the Genesis. Then went Aaron, Nadab and Abihu up into the Mount. Now this is the second ascension into the mountain for Moses. Alright read,
Dr. Harris: And they saw the Elohim of Israel
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Dr. Kinley: And they saw this in a vision. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: And as it were the body of
Dr. Kinley: Now they described Him, they saw it in a vision. Yahweh had to talk, to manifest and to reveal Himself, or the Elohim. Now if you look into that 16th verse there. You'll find that Joshua was Moses's minister, just like Yahshua the Messiah, He didn't come to be ministered unto but to minister. He was your minister. He's a minister of the sanctuary. Is Elohim, is Yahweh incarnated in a body walking around fulfilling this, before now Doc, before you get away from the
24th Chapter of Matthew, go back to it please. There's a verse there and it says something about heaven and earth passing away. I have to have that before I can get this.
Dr. Harris: Matthew 5:18
Dr. Kinley: Matthew. Would you mind reading?
Dr. Harris: For verily I say unto you
Dr. Kinley: For verily I say unto you
Dr. Harris: Til Heaven and Earth pass
Dr. Kinley: Til Heaven and Earth pass
Dr. Harris: One jot or one tittle
Dr. Kinley: One jot or one tittle
Dr. Harris: Should in no wise pass from the law
Dr. Kinley: Should in no wise pass from the law
Dr. Harris: Til all be fulfilled
Dr. Kinley: Til all of it be fulfilled. Now look He's got to say something to them about heaven and earth, setting up there in that Mountain. Now you see it? Because up here in this Mountain is where He's showing him the heaven and the earth coming in and He's got to show Moses something about ____. Gotta say something about it. Alright.
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Now you got it down there. Joshua was there. And that's the reason why He said til Heaven and Earth pass, My words, the words I'm saying, I'm the boss incarnated, the one that brought it all in. It can't fail. And I brought it on in under the Law. And if that was Him in that Mountain showing Moses that vision, He's got to say something about ____ on the Mountain. Do you see through what I'm talking about? Do you all understand what I'm talking about?
Student Body: Yes Sir.
Dr. Kinley: Alright now go on back to the 24th Chapter of Exodus. Alright.
Dr. Harris: And Moses rose up
Dr. Kinley: And Moses rose up
Dr. Harris: And his minister Joshua
Dr. Kinley: Now that.., Joshua is our minister. He was their minister. That's what's got to be in me. That's what it's got to be in you. Now you may say, 'no that's not right.' Now what the difference is there is, we done found out about it and you haven't; in other words we're conscious of it but you're just not. Because it's in Him that you live and you move and have your being. Now you follow me this far? Now go on down, Doc, the 16th verse there, I think it is.
Dr. Harris: And the Glory of Yahweh abode upon Mount Sinai.
Dr. Kinley: Yeah, and the Glory of Yahweh abode upon Mount Sinai. On the board Freddy.
Dr. Harris: And the cloud covered it six days.
Dr. Kinley: And the cloud covered it six days. Now we're after the Genesis. Now we're after showing you, we're after showing you that them six days that that cloud hovered over the top of the mountain, Israel camped at the foot, the sun was rising and setting, just makes its function in its orbit, but really the earth moves around the sun. I said, but the, we just call it sun rising and setting but... And now if you could just see the simplicity of this. ____ ____ ____. The sun rising and the sun setting everyday. Everyday and you can't see the resurrection. The farmer going out there planting seed in the ground and they're coming up and you can't see the resurrection. The stars there, you see 'em on the veil, shows those angelic figures on the, in the sanctuary. Oh I tell you. But read on.
Dr. Harris: And on the seventh day
Dr. Kinley: Now the six days. I told you.., that's the reason why we backed up over in Matthew cause you have to say something about it, because it was up here in this mountain
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Dr. Kinley: that Moses saw the vision of the creation of heaven and earth. Now look, now, now you, you see where he's reading at? Where you reading Doc?
Dr. Harris: Exodus 24.
Dr. Kinley: Now this is in Exodus, not Genesis, how about that,? that the cloud covered it six days. Oh I, I, I'm, I'm I'm so anxious and I want you to see so bad. Now Moses seen that vision up there during them six days. Now watch now. Now here's over to Genesis ties right in. What, what's that verse say?
Dr. Harris: And the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.
Dr. Kinley: And the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. Seven days. Now look and pay attention to me now. Now you don't have right there in Exodus, do you? What happens in that cloud, do you?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: But Moses saw the vision and he said the cloud covered it six days then he took the vision and put over in the first part of the Book. That's Genesis.
Now here's another thing, interrogation or question. When Moses was gone up in this mountain 40 days. And they disobeyed and come back down out of the mountain. They thought he was gone. They didn't know where he went to. And when he come back down, they said, 'where you been. What's been going on?' He said, 'well in the beginning.' Now got up there in the Mountain and in the beginning saw that thing. He saw them. In the beginning, Yahweh Elohim created the heavens and the earth in them first six days up there. And he put it over here in the first part of the book of Genesis.
There's something else deep about that that I want you to see. Now Him creating this physical universe, that's a tabernacle. That's the greater and more perfect tabernacle. And He was six days, and He slowed it down. Now when we say six days, He created it in six days, now what we're talking about is the sun that's rising and setting, in 1490 and Moses is up in this mountain and He was up there six of these solar days while the sun was rising and setting, but the creation did not take place in those six days. It took place in the realm of Eternity and that's what the interior of cloud represents. And Yahweh just slowed her down. And then it took Moses six days to see that vision. It took him six days to see it. And on the seventh day He called Moses out of the cloud. Now look. Do this. All of you that got a Bible do it. Now Dr. Harris hold that there chapter and that verse that you got there, go back to Genesis and go through that.., I'm not asking you to read it all, but I just want you to read the conclusion, I think it's in the fourth verse of your King James Version and you'll see that that seventh day there is the same seventh day that you're talking about here.
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Dr. Harris: Starts in the 32nd verse of the first chapter of Genesis in the Holy Name Bible.
Dr. Kinley: Uh hum.
Dr. Harris: Thus the heavens and the earth were completed and all their host and on the seventh day Elohim completed His work which He had made and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made and Elohim blessed the seventh day and sanctified it.
Dr. Kinley: That's alright. Now I want you to go right back and read the same verse that you just read.
Dr. Harris: And on the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud
Dr. Kinley: Now I just, I want you to see that He was talking to Moses. He called him on the seventh day. Now you notice who He was talking to, He was talking to Moses. On the seventh day He called unto Moses, not the Children of Israel. Do you get that? Now that'll help you to see who wrote it. He was looking right at Him when He created everything, the greater and more perfect tabernacle, I mean this greater and more perfect tabernacle. You follow it now? Now, now this is the second trip, top in the mountain, that Moses had to go up into the cloud, into the midst of the cloud by himself and they had to remain down here but they did see the vision. Now look. Now you listen at me. Now if this is so here or if it's not so, then He can't take them up here in the transfiguration. Has to do it in order to fulfill doing it back here. And they saw His garments. And look somebody may say, 'well Moses wasn't there.' Well here, what's he doing over here, they appeared unto them, 17th chapter of Matthew, and Moses and Elijah were there. The Book says so and so also was Yahshua or Jesus as you say. Now you can.., (BELL RINGS) If Jesus wasn't up here, He wasn't back there and if He wasn't back here, He wasn't over here. If Moses wasn't here, he wasn't there. He's got to fulfill. Now do you see the difference? Christendoom don't know that. They don't understand it, they call the fifth chapter of Matthew the Beatitudes. And the transfiguration they don't know what to say about that. They don't even realize that it is a vision and yet and still the Book says that it was. I mean the Book says that. If you don't think the book says it, I'll read it to you out of there, that it was a vision.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now if you're gonna follow the footsteps of Jesus, wouldn't have been no sense of Him coming, cause you'd been hung out on the cross and all of us would have been dead, because He was made to be sin for us that we might be the righteousness in Him. That's right.
Student Body: Right. That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: So if you're gonna follow in His footsteps, you're gonna have to on back down to Egypt and walk out of here and you gonna have to do all of this. You're gonna have to have a lotta mountain climbing, and cross hanging, and foot washing, Lord supper's and all that kinda stuff. Do you see what I'm talking about?
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
recorded by Edna Law
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 72.0903
transcribed by Valerie Weber
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Previous speaker: Eugene Hodo
Moderator: ... The next speaker for the morning will be, the founder of our school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Now I always leave class for about 10 minutes, that doesn't give me much time. Well, they said here that you... Now I'll take the rest of it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Now I'll tell you why I got up. I don't know whether everybody.., I've tried my best, I've tried my best to tell you all to look at the TV, pay some attention to it every Sunday morning. Now, there have been radio preachers on there, Rex Humbard, D. Haven, or D. Horn or whatever his name is. And they, they have organs and nice ____, and they have another one here in California. Now I wanna tell you what they all were talking about this morning. Every last one of 'em was talking about the soon coming of Jesus. They think that something is fixing to happen pretty soon. Now that's what they all were talking about. Well, I, I wanted to remind you to do that. And if you do that, you'll learn yourself some things that you should know about what's going on. It's not a bad idea to read the newspapers a little bit too. Find out something about what's going on.
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Now another thing I wanted to mention to you this morning. Doctor Mitchell, the New York Dean, called me and talked with me before I come to school this morning. And they have a school... I asked him specifically about it again. They have a school in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And those people are going from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania over into New York and whenever they can, they go from New York down to Pennsylvania. Now we don't say anything about it here in class. And Dr. Hodo just told you that Akron, Dr. Mixon being over there, going from Detroit, Michigan over into Akron.
Now this is what I wanna get over to you. I think you should look at Matthew 24, I think it's 14 or 15. And I wanna show that the way they look at... Now whenever you find it.., I don't have but 10 minutes.
Dr. Harris: When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of
Dr. Kinley: About the gospel of the kingdom being preached in all the world.
Dr. Harris: And the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world
Dr. Kinley: Now He's setting up in the mountain here, speaking to the people. And He said, now this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world.
Dr. Harris: For a witness unto all nations
Dr. Kinley: a witness unto all nation
Dr. Harris: and then shall the end come
Dr. Kinley: and then shall the end come. Now that's what all of the radio preachers is concerned about. Billy Graham say by 1980 he will have evangelized the world. And Rex Humbard this morning spoke about it like this. He said, Yahweh is providing me, he didn't say Yahweh, he said, God has provided the means of communication by television, radio and all the other things. God made man wise enough to do that. And it don't take a whole lotta time to preach the gospel all over the world by these methods.
And the gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world. And then they talked about the coming of Jesus. They say He's gonna come down on a cloud. Now this is what was in my mind when they were talking. I.., you're gonna have to read this. The fourth epistle of John. And while we're speaking about the fourth epistle of John, we want you to know there's no such a thing as a saint.
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: And they are in the Roman Catholic Church; that means you are canonized in the Roman Catholic Church, that's what a saint is. So everybody says Saint John; there's no Saint John, Saint Mark, nor nothing like that. And here they handed me a piece of paper this morning where Pope Paul the sixth is going to visit the tomb of Saint Mark. And if the thing was as they say it is, why don't they go ahead and put them people on into heaven? Pope, Pope...
Student: Pius.
Dr. Kinley: Pius the 12th. Now you listen to what we're saying folks, we don't play down here. We mean business. And we're just gonna tell it like it is. You're gonna have to face it anyhow. You're gonna have to come to.., if you don't wanna come now, you'll be there later. You ain't gonna be doing no worrying about you going to the Judgement. You'll be there. Now I want you to read this, the fourth chapter or fourth epistle of John and begin with first verse.
Reader: Beloved, believe not
Dr. Kinley: Now just a minute, every time somebody gets up and reads in the Bible, beloved. Every preacher Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Roman Catholic or whatever you have, he says beloved, he's talking to his audience and his congregation. He's calling them the beloved. Now don't make no difference what sect or cult they in, they're saved and they're the beloved. Now you got that all wrong. Now John is writing this epistle to the Hebrews in Jerusalem. That's what he's doing and they were the beloved, them that had accepted Yahshua the Messiah as their savior; in other words they had the Holy Spirit in them. They were the Beloved. I wanna straighten you out on these words first. Alright, now it said beloved.
Reader: Believe not every spirit.
Dr. Kinley: Believe not every spirit.
Reader: But try the spirits
Dr. Kinley: But try the spirit. Now that's the reason why I brought up that word beloved. Everybody says that they're the beloved.
(BREAK IN TAPE)
Dr. Kinley: How you gonna try the spirit if you don't have it? I'm just making myself clear. Alright read.
Reader: But try the spirits
Dr. Kinley: Try the spirit. By what?
Reader: whether they are of Yahweh.
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Dr. Kinley: whether or not that they are of Yahweh. Did you hear that? Now, this is John. And he's the same man that wrote Revelations too. Alright read.
Reader: Because many false prophets are gone out
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. Now you listen. Because.., now you try the spirit, try the spirit. Now here's the reason why you try it: because there's many, not a few, and that's what you got over there in the 24th chapter of Matthew too. You had it in 21st chapter of Luke and you have it in the 13th chapter of Mark about many false prophets. And on down further there he says they're already gone, a lot of 'em back there even before the decease of the apostles. Then Peter, he said that there were false prophets back here. They've been all the way down. Do you follow what I'm talking about. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: Because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Dr. Kinley: Uh hum
Dr. Harris: Hereby
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Now you just wait a minute. Dr. Hodo just got off of this floor. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that was not him preaching.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now we look at one another as being so this, that, and the other. No, it's the Holy Spirit that's speaking through these vessels. Alright.
Reader: Because many false prophets...
Dr. Kinley: are gone out into the world. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now you, you, you, you know what we're reading, don't you? Now I'm saying this because, it's been said many times here, but we want you to know that there is false prophets out in the world and there have been all the way through. And all of these religious organizations never knew about it. They had the Zealots, and the Pharisee, the Scribes, the Essences, and a just a whole bunch of 'em like that when Jesus was here. They were right on Him. And say listen you know one thing, He never chose a one of 'em, never selected a one of 'em out of that Sanhedrin Council, not the first. Now how about that? Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: hereby know ye the spirit
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Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Get this straight. Now hereby, right by this. Alright.
Dr. Harris: Know ye the spirit of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Know ye the spirit of Yahweh by this. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: Every spirit
Dr. Kinley: Every spirit
Dr. Harris: that confesseth
Dr. Kinley: that confesseth
Dr. Harris: that Yahshua the Messiah is come
Dr. Kinley: that Yahshua the Messiah is coming.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: I told you that is what they was all talking about.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: All of them radio preachers this morning. Now every spirit that tes... Now, this is how you go about it, to tell who's false and who's who. Every spirit that testifies that Yahshua or Jesus is coming is of God.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: or is of Yahweh.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now that ain't the way the Bible reads. Now they were all talking about Him coming. And John said... Repeat.
Dr. Harris: Every spirit that confesseth
Dr. Kinley: Every spirit
Dr. Harris: that confesseth that Yahshua the Messiah is come
Dr. Kinley: that every spirit that confesseth that Yah is come. Now right by this, this is what you go by: is come is
Dr. Harris: of Yahweh.
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Dr. Kinley: of Yahweh. Now read on.
Dr. Harris: and every spirit that confesseth not
Dr. Kinley: and everyone that confesseth not that He is come
Dr. Harris: is not of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: is not of Yahweh. Are you getting, that?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Read.
Dr. Harris: and this is that spirit of antimessiah
Dr. Kinley: and this is that spirit of anti Messiah or the anti Christ. Now that's what that is, nothing but them false prophets. How about that? Didn't we read it out of the Bible? Now we're not trying to tell you that He won't be revealed from Heaven. That's not what we're trying to tell you. He will be. Now how about that? He can be today, this is the Day of Salvation. This.., today. Here right now is the Day of Salvation. Now this is what you have to do. Now if you don't have that Holy Spirit, you don't have nothing to go by. Now, here they are up there and what they're saying is giving 'em away. Now I didn't say that. Now here's where the problem is, and here's what the difference is: you can't see spirit with your physical eye. Now Paul puts it this way. Are you listening now? Are you listening? Are you sure you're listening? He said that Messiah, or Yahshua the Messiah in you that's the only hope of glory, not in the sky but in you.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's the only hope. There is no other hope. And it is Him that's in these vessels. They know, you can't fool 'em. They know, whenever they come to talking, like that.
Now heaven. They got that all twisted up too. Now there's three heavens. Jehovah Witness say there seven. Well I understand what they mean by it, but never the less.
Now this is what I wanna make you conscious of: right now sitting in your seat, right where you are at this prodical (prodigal?) moment, you're in one state or the other. Dr. Hodo told you that. Now when did all this happen? On the day of Pentecost when that Holy Spirit was poured out. You might read in the 15th chapter of first Corinthians. Now here's the problem. He went down to the cemetery in a physical body, ____ manifestation and He's raised a quickening spirit. Right there's where the world lost, lost track Him. And they ain't seen a thing of Him around. Ain't seen nothing at all of Him. Now that's what it is, that's supposed to be in you. And then not only Him being in you, you in Him. That's what the Book says.
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Now this being revealed from heaven. I think I should touch that, explain that to you. Now it just means this.
Here's what the people think. He's gonna jump down through the sky on a cloud. That's what they think. And that's what them preachers are talking about. And that's the way you read this Bible with a carnal mind. And that's what you could come to the conclusion of. Said behold He's coming with cloud and every eye shall see Him. And that's the way they're looking at it.
Well when this cloud brought 'em up out of Egypt... They said the Gentiles.., they didn't see a thing of it. ____ Everybody didn't see it. And they ____. Well now here, you got the same story right over here. You people, your cloud up here, He's coming in your cloud. And can come within you today, this morning. But they don't, they don't know nothing about it. They don't understand it. Are you listening now?
Now here He is in incorporeal. You go right back to the chart. Get Him in incorporeal, only seen in visions or the spiritual embodiment. Dr. Hodo told you, and every time you come here we're gonna tell you the same thing. We will never miss. Now everybody didn't see that. Now since everybody didn't see it. Everybody didn't see that tabernacle. They didn't, they didn't.., these that was up here, none of 'em saw it, no not a one of 'em. They saw this body, but they didn't see the tabernacle. Can you follow? Moses witnessed that.
Everybody, everybody that was up there in that mountain, those 70 elders with Aaron and Nadab, they didn't see the creation. Moses entered into that cloud alone and by himself. He saw that. And Yahweh told him... Well now, I think I oughta tell you in a way you can understand. This Joshua that was back here, he was a man walking around in the flesh. Are you listening? And Yahweh was incarnated in him. Yahweh Elohim was manifested to them back there in the person of Joshua.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Now somebody would wanna say this. Now he went up there with Moses. Dr. Hodo talked to you about it. And you look right straight in your Bible and see it again, and yet and still you're too uninformed, let's say it that way, to even recognize it. I could say this: if you wanted to argue and say that that wasn't so, say that when Joshua went up here and he was the one. That was.., and this wasn't God's chief representative, it was He Himself incarnated in that body. Are you listening? I guess my 10 minutes is about gone, but I told you I'd take whatever you give me. Now when He went up there this is that which was incarnated in this physical body right here, back here with Moses. Now some ignoramus will wanna jump up and dispute that.
Now He says He was coming to fulfill. Isn't that what Dr. Hodo told you? Told you chapter and verse were to find them. Not to institute but to fulfill. That's what everybody's Bible says. And He said that himself. Now listen Freddy, we wanna find out now. go in what you call your New Testament, whether it was so, what I just said. We wanna know now whether he was a man walking around out there on the ground, we wanna know that, was that incorporeal in him or in other words; we wanna know
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whether He was a man in the flesh or not, back here with Moses. Now, how are you gonna
prove it? Well if He said He come to fulfill that means it's got to be repeated...
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: ...I mean with Moses. Now here you got the transfiguration up there. Jesus went up into the mount or Yahshua went up into the mount and transfigured before them and and they saw the God of Israel or they saw the Yahweh of Israel. And it was a man walking, around in a physical body at that time. Now was it Moses, is he the one, same one back there with Moses, there appeared Moses. That's what your so called New Testament says. That's what it says. Then what do you wanna be arguing around about whether He's back there or not. Do you see through what I'm talking about? The 17th chapter of Matthew states that, says. Is that almost what it says?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Well, if He wasn't the one that was back there with Moses in ____ never could have stood over here. Now how about that? And we come along and try to tell people these things they think that we're wrong about it. They think we don't know what we're talking about. They think we don't understand what we're talking about. Do you see what I'm talking about? Yes we do. We do know that Book, that Book from Genesis 1:1 to Rev 22:last. And we can straighten this thing out.
Now if you notice, as Dr. Hodo called your attention to this. He said that Yahshua the Messiah begin at Moses. Now I was talking to Dr. Mitchell on the phone about this. Well, look, He also appeared unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. And He also appeared unto Enoch, the seventh from Adam, over in the Anti Diluvian Age, I mean, that's right, in the Anti Diluvian Age. Well if that's the case. Why did He begin at Moses? Why didn't He begin with Enoch? Why didn't He begin with Adam? Why didn't He begin with Abraham? Oh, I tell you there's something else here, there's something else here. Had you thought about that? Well I'll tell you why He didn't begin there, like I told him this morning. If you look in the fifth chapter of John, you'll find out that He said that Moses wrote of Him. Enoch never wrote a thing. Adam never wrote a thing. Abraham never wrote nothing. So He begin with the man that wrote something. How about that? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's the reason why you read it in your Book. (STUDENT BODY CLAPS)
Now I got this thought that I oughta get up and tell you people of all of the spasmodic preaching that's going on in the world. And they haven't yet learned the true name of our heavenly Father. They haven't learned. And now you can get a good King James Version of the Bible. I'd call it the teachers Bible. Look in the footnotes, old ones if you want too. It was even written before I was born. I'm just only about seventy seven years old, come the 30th of this month. And it was in there long before I was born. These names. Now how did it get in there? Well I'll tell you. Moses wrote it. That's almost a day or two before any of us was born. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now how about that? It's no new thing. In this
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King James version, where you got Lord, God, and Jesus Christ, those are the new names. They're not the original names in the Book. And you can get all twisted up and all messed up. And as Dr. Hodo told you, if you can try just using any sense at all, just any common horse sense. In your family, say, 'I'll tell you what the father's name was.' Even when you was conceived, and before you was born, and when you was born. Your first name, I understand Dr. Hodo what he meant, your first name was Jackson. Well how did it happen your first name was Jackson? Because that's your father's name. Now it's just some simple things like that, you oughta have sense enough to see and understand. We could have caught these things long ago, if we just hadn't been going along
Now what's happening now is the early and the latter rain. Now what we are teaching and preaching... I want these people that have, this is their first time here, I want them to know that this is not a little junked up, fly by night religious organization. This is not a church. This is a school. And that's what You come here for, is to learn. And you can expect us to tell you things that you don't know.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now no need to come here arguing with me, we know you don't know. There ain't no need of getting all boisterous and worked up about it either. Now that's what my job is. Now you understand? And you're gonna have to ____ to accept this. Look here. In the third chapter of Exodus, when Yahweh told Moses what His name was. And I think it's in the sixth chapter, before then. He said that the people did not know Him by the name Yahweh, but they knew Him by the name El Shaddai, which means Almighty Provider. He is still the Almighty Provider, but His name is Yahweh. Now if He's got sense enough to know what His name is. And you got sense enough to know what your name is. Now why would you let somebody come along and tell you, that's not your name? And if He come in the name of His Father... There's no way, this would be the translation: Lord, God, and Jesus Christ. Now if you get this one up there, lined up here on this board. Now this is what I'm saying too: if it's Lord, it's translated as ____. And Elohim or the Word or Son is translated as God. Now listen now. The Lord would be the Father of God. Check it out, you check it out. (STUDENT BODY REACTS) You see what I mean? But how you make these mistakes is, you're listening to somebody that just really don't know. I wouldn't know either if Yahweh hadn't revealed it to me. I preached as crookedly as anybody for 15 years, I didn't know no better.
Now one other thing and then I wanna conclude. Now Dr. Hodo told you about these three compartments. They're in everybody's Bible. Now, listen closely at what I'm saying. You might have to read this. Deuteronomy 4, I believe it is, and 6. Read.
Mary Gross: Hear oh Israel
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, Hear, Hear oh Israel. Read.
Mary Gross: Yahweh our Elohim.
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Dr. Kinley: Yahweh our Elohim, that's the Lord our God in the King James. Hear, oh Israel, Yahweh our Elohim is what?
Mary Gross: Yahweh a unity.
Dr. Kinley: He's three distinctive individuals ____ ____.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: You heard 'em say it. You heard 'em when he's talking, didn't you? Now there's three different compartments to this tabernacle, but it's only one tabernacle. Now these people running around talking about Jesus off over here somewhere, and God over yonder somewhere, And He's universal, and ever present, and always has been, never been a time that He was absent. Never will be a time that He's absent. But with our little carnal drawed up mind we just don't understand that.
Now, I wanna say this. Now you see there no three persons there, cause every person is a complete human within himself, so also is the so called Godhead. Now listen folks. Pay attention now. Dr. Hodo told you this. Now he told you that Moses saw that tabernacle up there in the cloud. Is that almost right? Is that what we got up there? Now I'm talking about them false prophets and false teachers here. Now look when Moses got down from up here. Now them people done had the commandments broken before he got down. He wasn't up there for but forty days. And they done build the Golden Calf before he got down. They had the thing all broken up before he got down. Alright. And when be does come down to build that tabernacle like Yahweh had told him to build it, there was some fellows down there arguing around with Moses. Now look, 'that's not the way to build it.' Now remember, you get it straight. He was the only man that saw it up there in the cloud. He was the only person who saw it up there. The only one that Yahweh gave instructions to the building. Now when he gets down.., just like we have today. We got somebody gathering around all every which way who knows more about it than me. They know more about it than you. They said it oughta be built like ____, or it oughta be built like that, or ought built like something else. ____ ____. Now let's see whether Moses build it like he was saw it in that, in that cloud. Now it took 'em nine months...
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by Dr. Henry C. Kinley
Los Angeles, California
recorded by Edna Law
2 90 minute audio cassettes
Catalog #: 72.1014
transcriber: Burbank Mitchell
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Dr. Kinley: I thought it was time for me to talk with you about these things that I think is important for you to learn and to know something about. And that is the reason why we requested Dr. Farley to read the tenth chapter of Matthew. Now, as the one who reads, stands before you to read the scripture lesson, I think it would do well if you would pay strict attention while he's reading that. Now we would have never selected such if there wasn't something in it that we expected and hope for you to learn. Now, if you don't pay no attention, course you will not learn anything about it. But now, I'll tell you what it is. Yahshua has chosen His disciples. And He sent them out to heal the sick and to raise the dead. Now, this is the fundamental thing that I wanna tell you about that. He told them what to say; where to go; and where not to go. Now they didn't have the Holy Spirit now. I want you to get that understood. He told them what to say when they went. Now it would be nice if we could learn that. Now do you know the reason why He told them what to say when they went? Suppose you read what He told 'em to say, there in the tenth chapter.
Dr. Harris: 11th verse. And as you go preach saying, repent ye. Repent ye, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Dr. Kinley: Read on.
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Dr. Harris: Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons, freely ye have received, freely give, provide neither gold nor silver nor brass in your purse, nor script for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves, for the workman is worthy of his food. And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter enquire who is in it, who is in it that is worthy, and there abide until ye go hence. And when you come into a house say, peace be unto this house. And if the house be worthy
Dr. Kinley: Now, He's telling them what to say to that house.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it. But, if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you nor hear your word, when ye depart out of their house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Verily, I say unto you it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgement than for that city. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves. But beware of men for they will deliver you up to the council and they will scourge you in their synagogues. Ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the nations. When they have given you up have no anxiety concerning how or what you shall speak. For it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak, for it is not ye that speaketh but the spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now, there's some place He told them not to go. Want to read about that.
Dr. Harris: 5th verse. These twelve Yahshua sent forth and commanded them saying, go not in the way of the Gentiles and into any city of the Samaritans, enter ye not.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that now? Now, now just reading the Bible you wouldn't realize what that's already all about. And make references all the time to a lotta things that really don't mean what you think it does. So I thought it would be necessary for us to tell you something about it. Now, if you notice, He said go not into the cities of the Gentiles, nor into the city of Samaria, or any of the cities of Samaria. Now, you know why He told them not to go over there? Now there we are. Don't realize what it's all about. Well, I'll tell you so you'll know. Do you remember when after Solomon's decease? First, it was Israel, all twelve tribes were called the House of Israel, when they come up out of the land of Egypt. All twelve tribes were called the House of Israel. And after the decease of Solomon, then it was called the House Israel and the House of Judah. Now Israel had their headquarters, that was the ten tribes, at Samaria. Now that was ruling all of the ten tribes. They had their own independent kingdom. Now He told them, now don't you go down in there no where, because there was Gentiles in there and as they came back from Babylon, I'll tell you this one, a lotta people don't know this.
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And you'll find this over there in Ezra, where that when they come, now I said Babylon, why then, they had went down into Babylon, they were being punished the seven times that Moses told 'em that they would be if they did not keep the commandments of Yahweh in the land wither they were going. So then, now they did that. They violated them, and so they were carried away captive to Babylon. And now, when they returned back from Babylon. Down there seventy years. Now, the ten tribes, or the Samaritans, or the Israelites, of the House of Israel that was divided, why then they were carried away captive to Mesopotamia and other cities of Assyria. And then they were scattered out everywhere. That's why a lotta people get the ten lost tribes. They ain't never been lost, not as far as Yahweh is concerned. But now, what they had done during the time that they was scattered, they made marriages with the Gentiles, the Hebrews or the Israelites, they made marriage with 'em and during those years that they were captive... Now I didn't say Babylon now, I said Mesopotamia and the cities around about, which had the Israelites, the ten tribes, not the two, but the ten. Now, their headquarters was in Samaria. Now Yahshua the Messiah, told 'em, don't go on down in there because the Gentiles all mixed up down in there, just don't go there. So then they had the two tribes of Judah and also for Levi. Now they were, what we might describe as the leaders and the teachers of Israel. So He told 'em, now don't you go down there. Now they come around to the place where when it comes time to go down there in Samaria, why He went Himself with them. And you remember how He met the Samaritan woman out at the well, drawing the water, but He was with them. But He told 'em, don't you go down there by yourself. Don't, don't enter into none of them cities at all of them ten tribes. A lotta folks didn't know that. Now here's what else He told them. Now don't take no script and don't take no gold or no silver, and don't do this and don't do that. You read it. Right?
Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: Now get this straight. I want you to get this straight. He told them what to say. They didn't just go out there and say any and everything. He told 'em what to say. Read it again.
Dr. Harris: And as ye go preach saying, repent ye.
Dr. Kinley: Now He's telling 'em what to say, to repent. Do you remember that John the Baptist, he was saying the same thing. Repent. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now this is before the crucifixion. So now, John was telling 'em the same thing, that these twelve are saying repent. Now here's what I'm trying to get over to you. He's telling 'em what to say. Well, why did He tell them what to say? I'll tell you people, they don't realize what they're talking about. Now I'll tell you why He told 'em what to say. Reason why He told 'em what to say is because they didn't know. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now to prove that to you that they did not know what to say. Do you recall that after He resurrected from the dead He opened up their understanding in the scriptures?
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Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now if they didn't have no understanding in the scriptures that means they didn't know what to say. How about that? Oh, me. Had you ever thought about that? Oh, mercy. Now that's something to think about. Now that same thing is going on right now. It's the Holy Spirit that's telling us what to say. We don't know what to say. We don't know how to preach. We don't know how to pray. We don't.., let's come clean with the thing. We don't know nothing. All of the wisdom, every good and perfect gift comes from Yahweh. And you don't go out here to some seminary or some college to learn something about it. That's not the way it comes. It's revealed from Heaven. And it's revealed by the Holy Spirit and taught by the Holy Spirit. If you could just, if we could just learn that, we'd be doing well tonight. Now them boys went out there and here's what He told 'em to do. And they stayed away from where He told 'em not to go, but now after He resurrected from the dead and He opened up their understanding in the scriptures, that's the reason why we tell you now to go to the Law and to the Testimony, so that you can understand something about what's in the scriptures that was revealed by the Holy Spirit. And it is the Holy Spirit in us now that does the teaching and the preaching. Now I wanna read that. I think it's John 14 and 26.
Dr. Harris: But the Comforter
Dr. Kinley: But the Comforter
Dr. Harris: Which is the Holy Spirit
Dr. Kinley: Now Doc let's get up a little further there and get that straightened out.
Dr. Harris: These things have I spoken unto you being yet present with you
Dr. Kinley: these things have I spoken unto you being yet present with you.
Dr. Harris: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit
Dr. Kinley: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit
Dr. Harris: Whom the Father will send in my name
Dr. Kinley: Now right there. Whom the Father will send in My name. There's another mess. What is the name of the Comforter or the Holy Spirit? What is His name?
Student Body: Yahshua
Dr. Kinley: He said that the Father, Yahweh, would send Him, the Comforter, in His name. How about that? Alright. Now He had told them about Him going away but the Father would send another comforter but He would send it in His name. Now what about that?
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Dr. Harris: He shall teach you all things
Dr. Kinley: Now it's the Holy Spirit, not the academies, and the colleges and all them different kinda thing. It's not, really not that. They don't know no more about it than the disciples did, the scriptures, than the disciples did before He resurrected from the dead and opened up their understanding in the scriptures. And then after He opened up their understanding in the scriptures, do you know what that is ____? Caused 'em to blunder again. I mean really made a blunder. Now I'll tell you what that is. I think you should know these things. Now He told them, led 'em out as far as the Mount of Olives. Now a lotta people don't even know why the Mount of Olives, and still arguing around and chewing the rag and all that kinda thing. They don't know nothing about them things. The reason why He carried them out to the Mount of Olives, back here in the Garden... And look here, here's the ascension here. We put it down there, the ascension. This is the Mount of Olives, about a sabbath day's journey from Jerusalem. Why it's called the Mount of Olives, here in this mountain or in the Garden was the two olive trees. And the Olive tree or the olives which had the oil, the olive oil. O live oil. That's an elevated state. So He took them to the Mount of Olives. And those two men stood by. And you take that and look at your pattern and you'd see this. And then you would see Moses and John the Baptist, and you would also see Michael and Gabriel. That's called the Mount of Olives, an elevated state after His resurrection. Now then He told them, now you go back to Jerusalem. Now He done opened up their understanding in the scriptures, before He had ascended. And you read that in Luke and you read it all the time. And so then when He opened up their understanding in the scriptures that all these things had to happen unto Him as it was taught in the scriptures or it says in the Law and the Prophecy. Then there was one thing He didn't tell 'em. He told them to go back there and tarry there. And people are still tarrying. I don't know what it's for. He's waiting on you. Yea, that's right. But He told them, now you listen now, you tarry there until you receive power from on high. Now, here, here you go now. Samaria, now. Then you shall be witnesses unto me, both in Jerusalem, right where you are, Judea. And what else?
Student Body: Samaria.
Dr. Kinley: And Samaria. You don't go to Samaria without the Holy Spirit. Don't go down in there in that mess. You can't do that. Them ten tribes that revolted there. Don't go there at all, whatever you do. I'll go with you done (down?) there. And there He was setting on a well. And lotta folks hadn't realized why He's setting on the well. They don't know nothing. Do you remember when Moses went out there in the Wilderness, the land of Midian. And he set out there on the well. And Ruel's daughter come out there to draw water to... Now, what He's doing, He's fulfilling. That's what He's doing setting on the well. And the Samaritan... We don't realize nothing. Don't know no more about the Bible than a hog does about gold teeth or dentistry. Well now, He told 'em now after He opened up their understanding. Now this is one thing He didn't tell 'em about. He didn't tell them about who was supposed to take Judas' place who by transgression fell. And since He told 'em to go back there and tarry. Didn't say, go back there and start an election or casting lost (lots?). Said, you just go back there and tarry until you receive
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power from on high. Now since He had put 'em wise to all things in the scriptures had to be fulfilled, then they happened to blunder upon this one: about Judas fallen and another taken his bishoprick. So then they decided now, there ain't but eleven of us, and so then I expect you'd better get somebody straightened out here. And so then they cast lots and the lot's on Mathias (Matthias?). That's Barsabas and Mathias (Matthias?). Well then they told Mathias... And that's all you hear about him. Now why is that? Because, Yahweh Elohim, Paul or Saul was to take Judas's place who by transgression fell. But now they thought they had it made. He didn't tell 'em who was gonna take that place so we just decided ourselves, and we gonna elect somebody. They'd pull a straw. If you could just learn just a few of these things you wouldn't be caught up in so much confusion. And it would be a better understanding on our part.
Now then they said some more ____ ____. And they are not. That's the reason why James said, any sick among you, let 'em call for the elders of the Church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil, in the name. Now, on the other side of the cross or before He died, it was just oil. On this side of the cross, the oil is the Holy Spirit, and anoint you and keep you well and healthy. How about that? ____ ____ Oh, I tell you it's wonderful when you really begin to understand the purpose. It ain't the way some of them have got it and you see them on TV. Rex Humbard is one of them. He went by this place and they got some oil and rubbed it on folks. Then he said, is any sick among you, let him pray for the elders, call for the elders of the Church. And that's backwards. The way they've got it. And so called elders of the Church, they call for the sick. How about that? Everything we do, we do it backwards. He said, if any sick among you, let them call for the elders of the Church. But now, the elders of the Church, they're calling for the sick. Now that's just as backwards as it can be. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And let them pray over him, anoint him with oil in the name of Yahshua. Now listen now, you get this straight. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick. Now I, now I want you to what kind of trap and mess we're getting in. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick. And what?
Dr. Harris: And Yahweh shall save the sick
Dr. Kinley: And Yahweh shall. Now wait a minute, now it didn't say maybe. No sir, don't get that twisted. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick. And Yahweh shall raise him up. Suppose you read that over there.
Dr. Harris: If any sick among you let him call for the elders of the Church
Dr. Kinley: Now, we've got that just exactly backwards. Now what he is really talking about is the elders, or the Israelites there. And if you go back and look over there in beginning of the epistle you'll find who James is writing to. Suppose you read the caption there of the epistle. We don't pay no ____ ____.
Dr. Harris: James, the servant to Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: James, the servant of Yahweh
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Dr. Harris: And of the Savior, Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: And of the Savior, Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Harris: To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greetings.
Dr. Kinley: Now how about that? Now how about that? Now you see who he addressed the epistle to. He wasn't writing to the Gentiles. We have made one awful mess out of this Bible. And we think it's just sufficient to study the scriptures and learn how to quote chapters and verses and we got it made. And we call ourselves preaching the Word of God. That's what you think, but you got that thing just as balled up and as twisted up as it can be. Alright.
Dr. Harris: James 5:14. If any sick among you let him call for the elders of the assembly.
Dr. Kinley: Now I wanna show you what can happen.
Dr. Harris: And let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of Yahweh, and the prayer of faith shall save the sick.
Dr. Kinley: Now it just might?
Student Body: No
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, listen. If it don't, if it don't raise 'em , then we blame it on you. Say, you just didn't have the faith. How about that? Saying you didn't have the faith. You wasn't supposed to have it. You got that backwards too. It said the prayer of faith shall, not maybe, or not might. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: shall, the prayer of faith shall save the sick and Yahweh shall raise him up
Dr. Kinley: And Yahweh might raise him up?
Student Body: No. No. Shall.
Dr. Kinley: Shall raise him up. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And if he has committed sin
Dr. Kinley: And if he has committed sin
Dr. Harris: It shall be forgiven him
Dr. Kinley: And they shall be forgiven. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Confess you faults, one to another
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Dr. Kinley: No, you ain't suppose to do that. Go and tell 'em to the priest. Confess your faults one to another. Say look, if I do something to Bud, now what good is it gonna do me, go and tell you about it. Come back and apologize to him. Confess, 'well, Bud, I'm sorry, I was wrong there. Would you excuse me. I confess, I admit that I'm wrong.' Confess your faults one to another, didn't say the priest. Now when Israel or when sacrifices was offered here, the priest was standing out there at the altar where the sacrifices was offered, offered up. And Yahshua the Messiah said, 'When you come to bring your gift, offering and you remember that your brother has ought against you, leave your gift, then go...' Where?
Student Body: Back to your brother.
Dr. Kinley: Back to your brother. And then you apologize or you confess to him that, 'look. I done you wrong there Buddy, I'm sorry, I didn't know that was a transgression or I didn't know I was not supposed to do that.' And incidently, while we're on that score, there was a provision made in the Law for the ignorance. John said, there is a sin that is not unto death, I do not say that you should pray for it. Alright. Now, if there is any sick among you let him, let him call to the elders of the Church, not the elders of the Church call for him. Now this sick man, you want to keep a eye on that sick man, and, and some dead ones too. Sick and dead, Now remember he's writing to the 12 tribes of Israel scattered abroad. Oh, my goodness. And let them call for the elders of the congregation of the assembly, for the sick, as it ____ now, and let them pray over him. Now Dr. Harris is a medical doctor. Now what good is it gonna do you to call for Dr. Roger Jackson. And Roger Jackson is a candy maker and Dr. Harris a medical doctor. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) Now that's stupid ain't it? But everybody's an elder. All the preachers, they're elders. And they're down there calling 'em up to the mourners bench. Any sick among you? Now this is what they mean. Does anybody got the heart troubles or cancer or any kind of affliction or a disease? Now, if it is gonna be like that then all of us oughta go, cause there's something wrong with everybody. Well, what's wrong? You got a mortal body, fella. Now you keep your eye open. Read on Doc.
Dr. Harris: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick
Dr. Kinley: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick
Dr. Harris: And Yahweh shall raise him up
Dr. Kinley: And Yahweh shall raise him up
Dr. Harris: If he has committed sin it shall be forgiven
Dr. Kinley: And if he has committed sin they shall be forgiven
Dr. Harris: Confess your faults one to another
Dr. Kinley: Confess your faults one to another
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Dr. Harris: And pray one for another
Dr. Kinley: And pray one for another
Dr. Harris: That you may be healed
Dr. Kinley: That you may be healed
Dr. Harris: The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man
Dr. Kinley: The effectual. It's effective too. The effectual
Dr. Harris: Fervent prayer
Dr. Kinley: Fervent or ernest (earnest?) prayer. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And now a prayer. Don't mess that up, whatever you do. People think that yak, yak, yak and yak, yak, yak. ____ ____ on. ____ ____ all that confessing, 'forgive brother so-and-so and so-and-so.' And here is the disease, that old mother leaves him or his wife leaves him and he's got so many kids and all that kinda thing. He's off of his job. Would you please heal him. Now that's what, now that's what they think it is, that's what they think a prayer is, but that is not what it is. A prayer is an intercession made by the Holy Spirit. You want some Book on that? We got it. And listen. We do know what we're talking about down here. Alright. Read on.
Dr. Harris: The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Dr. Kinley: It helps out a whole lot.
Dr. Harris: Elijah was a man subject to
Dr. Kinley: Now Elijah was a prophet, and he was subject to like passions, as were David; in other words, when the Holy Spirit was upon, fell upon Elijah, he prophesied by the Holy Spirit, and I do mean sent down from heaven. And after, that prophecy was fulfilled or requested. I'll tell you one of the things he prayed for.
TAPE 1, SIDE 2:
Dr. Kinley: Prayed for it not to rain. And it didn't rain for three and one half years. Then he went back and prayed again and it rained. Well now why did it? Why, what's happening here? It didn't rain for three and a half years that Yahshua the Messiah was preaching; in other words, the Holy Spirit was not poured out. It just didn't rain. That's all. Then it was transferred again and it rained. The Day of Pentecost, it just rained. Now that's. Now that's a prayer or an intercession that's made by the Holy Spirit. Alright, read on.
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Dr. Harris: Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain. And it rained not on the earth for the space of three years and six months.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's during His ministry, Yahshua the Messiah.
Dr. Harris: And he prayed again
Dr. Kinley: And he prayed again
Dr. Harris: And the heavens gave rain and the earth brought forth her fruits. Brethren,
Dr. Kinley: Brethren,
Dr. Harris: If any of you do err from the truth
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, that's where the problem is. You're erring from the truth. Now that's the sick man.
Student Body: Alright Doc.
Dr. Kinley: That man is sick. And he's got a terrible case here, that the doctor don't have a thing in his briefcase to cure. But Yahweh will raise him up, straighten him out. And some of this twisted up stuff that we got going around here preaching. We got a whole lot of sick folks. Don't know the truth, from the pulpit on back. And all of the congregation of the assembly, they don't understand the revelation.
Now he said you get the elders of.., now he's writing to the 12 tribes now and those that had received the Holy Spirit, those were the ones that James is talking about. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth
Dr. Kinley: Err from the truth
Dr. Harris: And one convert him
Dr. Kinley: And one convert him
Dr. Harris: Let him know that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his ways
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that, ____. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Shall save a soul from death.
Dr. Kinley: Shall save a soul from death.
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Dr. Harris: And shall hide a multitude of sins
Dr. Kinley: And shall hid a multitude of sins. Is that it?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Is that the end of it?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now here's what I'm trying to tell you. Now look Roger if you're around here trying to eat the passovers. And you're around here trying to keep the Law, and then somebody comes along and shows you that all the natural is out, and you around here doing as they do out here, and then somebody shows you, then what you have did is hid a multitude of sins, and you have saved a soul, the sick man from dying. And I want you to see this: it never fails, never does fail. Now what we're preaching and teaching you down here, it just never fails. Now if you're sick, you take a dose of what we're talking about. And I will assure you and guarantee you a cure. It didn't say maybe Yahweh would raise him from the dead, but he said He would. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick and hide a multitude, just a whole... You're just doing all this to hide, all this Passover business, and you hide all this, foot washing, and you hide all this, diving up and down in the creek, and all that kinda stuff. Hide and cover yourself up ____ ____ ____. Say he setting down, somebody calling hisself keeping the sabbath and just all that stuff. And that's how you hide a multitude of sin. Oh, me. Have you gotten anything out of anything so far? Now He told them what to say before He died. Now, when it come around time for Him to die. You remember what happened? Peter took Him in the group, said, 'there ain't nothing like that gonna happen to you.' And when He resurrected from the dead, said, 'now you remember I told you about these things, that all things in the scripture had to be fulfilled.' And now they're talking about instituting, as Dr. Harris and Dr. Dennis talked about this morning. Now you see what the difference is? Now what these folks are really doing.
You want me to tell you the facts? They're doing the same thing that the Devil done. The Devil, every time Yahshua, every time Yahweh Elohim said anything, the Devil said, 'that ain't right.' And that's what they're doing. Now they're calling Yahshua the Messiah a liar. They're saying that He didn't fulfill the Law and the Prophets and take it out of the way. They say... Are you all listening? Are you really sure? They say that Jesus said, in the 28th chapter of Matthew and the 19th and 20th verse. Try reading it.
Dr. Harris: Go ye therefore and teach all nations
Dr. Kinley: Now is this after He resurrected from the dead. And teach all nations.
Dr. Harris: immersing them
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Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute Roger. He didn't say teach some nations, said all nations. Don't make no difference. But now they couldn't go to the Gentiles til a week later, I'm talking about prophetic week, seven years before they could go down in Samaria and around. Oh, my goodness. Now they had to cover Judah, and in bonds, and then they had to, after they covered that, then they were to go on back around where the 10 tribes were, and then they were to branch on out and go in all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. Is that almost right? But He told 'em to make sure that you stay there in Jerusalem and don't go no where, preach nothing to nobody until you receive the Holy Spirit or the promise of the Father. Now here they are out here, Jehovah's Witnesses is talking about, and they just setting down reading the Bible like you are, and just like they did the Mishnah, and the Talmud. You know what the Mishnah and the Talmud is? Oh, me. David, what is the Mishnah and the Talmud?
David Rosen: The Jewish writings of the Law and interpretations.
Dr. Kinley: Jewish interpretations of the Law, the Mishnah and the Talmud. And when they got through interpreting and fixing, it was a mess. One time they run up to Yahshua the Messiah and they said this to Him, said 'why did your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders by eating before they wash their hands. Don't you know' or now I'm saying this, 'don't you know that you might catch some of these germs and make you sick? So wash your hands before you eat.' That's right. How about that Victor? And here He is He healed all kinds of disease. ____ ____ and they talking about washing your hands. Then they asked Him, said, 'why did He says now to them --- your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders by eating without washing their hands,' might catch a ____ or almost anything ____ ____. And He said He's got a question to ask him, 'why does your elders transgress, now not the traditions, the commandments of Yahweh by their traditions? Now you answer me that one.' Well we better let that alone. Now, look brother, I've almost said enough of what I was, have been talking about. The point I'm trying to get over to you is this: they didn't have the Holy Spirit when He sent them out. He told them what to say, there wasn't no need of him taking a Bible, he didn't know nothing about it.
Student Body: That's right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: And had the commandments all bound around here and there and ____ around the neck and all them kind of things and didn't know a thing about it, just like the preachers as of today. Then after He resurrected from the dead He opened up their understanding, showed them how it went ____ ____, but He didn't say anything about who was gonna take Judas' place. Wasn't but eleven of them then. So then, now after that they had some idea about how it works, then they went to pulling straws and electing somebody for that office, just like they do down in the Vatican, smoke chasers. That's right. Never elected a Pope and one dies and another takes his place. Then, Judas, he was dead, and so they had to elect somebody to take his place. Now He never said a thing to them about it. Didn't intend to, but he had a man ready for that. And the man that took his place... I'm gonna tell you a little something about him, Saul of Tarsus. Now he was a eunuch. Somebody, I heard a man on TV, he said that he was a homosexual. I did. And
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he ____ just as ____, just as bold and just as sure footed as he could be that Paul was a homosexual. No that's not it, but he was a eunuch. Now look, the eunuchs, they could... Are you all listening?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Read the 22nd chapter or the 23rd chapter of Deuteronomy and the first verse and the 53rd chapter of Isaiah. I wanna show you how this thing works.
Dr. Harris: 23rd chapter of Deuteronomy. He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? Why not? Why can't he go in? Now look, you ain't got no business in there if you ain't got some seed. You stay out of there. ____ some children in that ____. So you stay out of there. And you, I'll say this, in the Outer Court.., or not the Outer Court but the Court.., the Gentiles Court. Now Paul, he couldn't go in. That's why he was brought up at the foot of Gamaliel cause he couldn't enter into the congregation of the assembly. Why not? Because he was eunuch, he don't have no seed in there. Alright. Now.
Dr. Harris: Isaiah 56:3
Dr. Kinley: Isaiah 56:3
Dr. Harris: Neither let the son of the stranger that has joined himself to Yahweh speak saying, Yahweh has utterly separated me from his people, neither let the eunuch say, behold, I am a dry tree.
Dr. Kinley: Don't let the eunuch say that no more that I am a dry tree. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: For thus sayeth Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: For thus sayeth Yahweh. I'm telling you how Paul got in. Now that's what I am talking about. Okay.
Dr. Harris: For thus sayeth Yahweh unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbath and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant even unto them will I give in mine house.
Dr. Kinley: Now will I give in mine house
Dr. Harris: And within my walls
Dr. Kinley: And within my walls
Dr. Harris: A place.
Dr. Kinley: A place
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Dr. Harris: And a name
Dr. Kinley: And a name
Dr. Harris: Better than of sons and of daughters.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? I tell you, the Apostle Paul, being a eunuch, was the chief of all of the apostles.
Student Body: Right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's him. Somebody said, 'well, I thought Peter was.' Yes, Peter was, of the circumcision. But Paul was very humble about the thing; he said, he wasn't a whit behind. He didn't wanna go and say, 'well I'm smarter then all of 'em.' But I tell you one thing he did say, said some of the idiots that call theirselves master theologians saying the New Testament was written in Greek. That was Rex Humbard wrote ____. Said, if he was in Israel he'd use the name Yahshua but since he's not in Israel and he is over here, he used the name Jesus Christ. And not only ____ he said the New Testament was written in Greek. Now that's a lie. Now here's why I brought that up. Now the apostles, eleven of them, they were Hebrews and Yahshua spoke. Somebody said He spoke the Aramaic language. They just tell all kinds of tales. And you remember, when they was out there in that Outer Court, they said, 'look here, was you one of them?' They kinda.., them that was up around Nazareth and Galilee up there. They kinda had a accent; in other words, they didn't speak any language too plain. Now here's what I'm getting at now. What the Apostle Paul wasn't allowed to go in the congregation of the assembly until after the Holy Spirit was poured out. He said, 'I speak with more tongues then all of them.' That's the reason why he went to the Gentiles. Now what would Peter look like down in Rome? Now he said, I didn't, he said he spake with more tongues then all of 'em. You want that read? Want to read it out of the Bible? If you do say so. And we'll read it. It's in there. Now what's happening, he was made an apostle of the uncircumcised, just like Peter was of.., the apostle of the circumcised. And then Paul, he went here and there and every which way around, and he spoke the Greek language, spoke the Hebrew, just spoke any language. What's really happening is this, Yahweh qualifying the man before He sent him. And so therefore after the death, burial and resurrection and He told His disciples, then He gave the eunuch that didn't have no physical seed in there, He gave him an exalted position in His house, put him on up above the rest of them, because now it's not the flesh now, it's in the spirit, so then... Now here's Paul in the spirit, comes in after Pentecost. And they're down there voting. What a mess they made. Now listen here. Now if Paul was a eunuch and he didn't have no seed, would you please tell me why he called Timothy his son in the faith? Do you think he did that? Yes, indeed. Alright, ____ ____ ____ in the faith. And somebody said, 'Well he must have had some children.' ____ ____ Now I wanna tell you something else about too. Yahshua the Messiah was married too. They sent somebody down to spy on Him, to find out whether he had a crush on Martha or Mary. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) ____ ____ ____ So they went on back, 'no, nothing happening ____ ____.' He's already married.
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Voice: Well, I didn't know that.
Dr. Kinley: You be quiet. (Dr. KINLEY LAUGHS) Ain't that something? Did you all know that He was married.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Yes, indeed. Married a long time. He wasn't looking for no wife, already had one. Now, you wanna find out something about that?
Voice: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Ephesians. Now you all got enough of this?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. The fifth chapter and just start reading.
Dr. Harris: Be ye therefore followers of Yahweh as dear children. And walk in love as Messiah has also loved us and given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to Yahweh for sweet smelling savor. You want to go down to the 26th verse.
Dr. Kinley: Yeah.
Dr. Harris: Husbands love your wives.
Dr. Kinley: Now just a minute. Now we're gonna get all messed up here. Husbands love your wives. Now how?
Dr. Harris: Even as the Messiah also loved the assembly.
Dr. Kinley: Even as Yahshua the Messiah also loved the assembly.
Dr. Harris: And gave himself for it.
Dr. Kinley: And gave Himself for it. Now wait just a minute, just a minute. Before you go any further. That's just precisely what happened back here, in Adam and Eve here. Now, we're gonna prove that. Alright. Husbands love your wives even as Messiah also loved the assembly or the Church and He gave Himself for it. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: That He might sanctify and cleanse it
Dr. Kinley: That He might sanctify
Dr. Harris: And cleanse it
Dr. Kinley: And cleanse it
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Dr. Harris: With the washing of water by the Word.
Dr. Kinley: Water. Water. Water. Heh. Water. Water. Water, Roger. Now that establishes water baptism. Now look here. Wasn't He fulfilling this Law here, when Moses washed their.., Aaron, Nadab and Abihu and those priests in the laver. That's what the washing in ____ ____. They washed the sacrifice there. And also they went through here, the River.., the Red Sea. And when they got up here to the mount, there'd to be some washing there. No, they didn't get wet when they went through there. Now that's a like figure. That's a like figure. Children, are you all listening?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: They went through there on dry ground. Now there's always somebody wanna run over there in Peter and say, 'the like figure,' talking about Noah. The like figure, whereas baptism, water baptism does also now save us. Not the putting away the filthiness of the flesh but the answer of a good conscience toward Yahweh. Water. Water. Water. And here you got water here. Now when Yahshua the Messiah washed the disciples feet there in John, He told 'em they didn't know what He was doing. And to prove it to you that they did know that He was washing their feet, Peter said, 'you ain't never gonna wash mine.' 'If I don't wash 'em you won't have no part with Me.' Now listen, in the beginning was the Word, the Word was made flesh, and He had to come along and fulfill that Law, jot and tittle, which means that He has to wash them. That's the Word washing them. Now what is that? That is the washing of Regeneration. Now here you are down here, you're all stupid and hollering about water. Water. Water. Water. Water. Water. Alright now we're gonna go on a little further and we'll find out about it. Alright.
Dr. Harris: That He might present it to Himself a glorious assembly
Dr. Kinley: That He might present. Now He done the washing. And now the Church of Christ folks, they said that Christ baptized when He walked, this right here, right where we are now. Now since you got that look in the fourth chapter, and see what. Now remember now, this is the same epistle. Ephesians 4:4 and 5.
Dr. Harris: There is one body
Dr. Kinley: There is one body.
Dr. Harris: And one Spirit
Dr. Kinley: And one Spirit.
Dr. Harris: Even as ye are called in one hope of your calling
Dr. Kinley: Even as you are called in one hope of your calling
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Dr. Harris: One Elohim
Dr. Kinley: Now one Elohim
Dr. Harris: One Faith
Dr. Kinley: One Faith
Dr. Harris: One immersion
Dr. Kinley: And one immersion or baptism. Just one. Now look, if you're gonna say that's water, what you have denied, you have denied the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now Hogan said, you set right there and you are from come down there. Ain't that right, Dr. Williams?
LaSalle Williams: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And now you set there too Brother ____. And Hogan said when you read this here where you were just reading over here in the fourth chapter, all you got to do is turn over to the next chapter. And where you was reading at ____ ____ ____ ____ the Messiah also loved the church and gave Himself for it that He might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of the water by the Word. Water. Water. Water. Ain't that right?
Student Body. Right.
Dr. Kinley: Say, we saved a recording of it, that He might present it unto Himself, a what?
Dr. Harris: A glorious assembly not having spot or wrinkle
Dr. Kinley: Not having spot or wrinkle
Dr. Harris: Or any such thing
Dr. Kinley: Or any such thing
Dr. Harris: That it should be Holy and without blame
Dr. Kinley: And that it should be Holy and without blame
Dr. Harris: So ought men to love their wives as their own body
Dr. Kinley: So ought men to love their wives as their own body
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Dr. Harris: He that loveth his wife loveth himself
Dr. Kinley: He that loveth his wife loveth himself
Dr. Harris: For no man ever yet hateth his own flesh
Dr. Kinley: For no man has yet hated his own flesh. Now listen. You remember when Yahweh took that woman out of the man and said, 'now she's flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone.' Do you remember that?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: That's the way she's made. That's his body, Eve. And Adam gave His life for her. Now that's got to be fulfilled and so here comes along Yahshua, and He gives His life for His wife or His bride. Is that almost right?
Student Body: That's it.
Dr. Kinley: When they were back there in the Wilderness, Yahweh said in the 31st chapter of Jeremiah, He said they transgressed although He was a good husband; in other words, can't be a husband unless you're married. And you can't be a wife and not have a husband. How about that? Oh, I tell you it would be nice, it would be so nice if we could just understand this Bible. Well, maybe it was written in Greek. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) I'll say it ____ with the Holy Spirit. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: For no man ever yet hated is (his?) own flesh, but nourishes it and cherishes it, even as Yahshua does the assembly. For we are members of His body.
Dr. Kinley: Now we are members of His body. We are members. Now a body has many members. The toe, the feet, and the ribs and what not and other members. Now look. The hand can't say to the foot, 'I don't need you.' And none of the rest of the members because it takes all that to make up the body. And ye being many are one bread and one body. Dr. Harris told you this morning that you was a Messianic body on earth in the flesh having the Holy Spirit. That's a fact. You can't get around that. Alright. Read on. Doctor Harris just to keep from wasting any more time, just skip on down to the last two verses. Let's find out what the man is talking about now.
Dr. Harris: This is a great mystery.
Dr. Kinley: Now it ain't no little bitty one. This ain't no little bitty one solved by a carnal mind. Husbands love your wives even as He loved the church and gave Himself for it that He might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of the water by the Word, that He might present it unto Himself a glorious Church not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing but that in truth be Holy. And look, He said too, 'wives make your own selves unto your husbands as unto Yahweh.' ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Now He runs the ____ ____ ____ ____. I'm the boss of this joint. I wear the britches. We just don't know what it is all about. Alright, read.
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Dr. Harris: This is a great mystery
Dr. Kinley: This is a great mystery. Here's one of them big ones. Great big ones. Now they just thought that Saul was talking about you and your so-called wife. Well, he was, but he was using it in a metaphorical or a parabolical sense to explain Yahshua and the Church. So now he said, 'this is a great mystery.'
Dr. Harris: But I speak concerning the Messiah and the Assembly.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that, see what he's talking about? And you running around here talking about a lotta foolishness. That's a great mystery. Now look, that mystery worked all the way down. Adam gave his life for his wife. That's the first Adam. And here He was, He gave His life for us. What is a sin anyway? Transgression of the Law. Now Adam disobeyed. He was told not to eat. He did eat. Well what did he eat it for? He sinned or he disobeyed. Right? Now here comes along Yahshua the Messiah, now He was made to be sin for us. Question: why? That we might be the righteousness of Yahweh in Him. Oh, the purpose of Yahweh is wonderful when we're able to see through it. Now I just thought. I don't wanna hog the whole show here, but I just thought that it was necessary for us to say something about those things, because people have got the wrong understanding about it. And even coming from John the Baptist. John the Baptist, that was a baptism of repentance. John would not baptize nobody but the Jews. He didn't baptize no... Then somebody talking about Christian water baptism. There ain't no such thing as that. He baptized no Christians. Well now, this is something to think about. Some of these Christians do need something. They need something. A so-called Christian. Now let me explain to you what I'm talking about. I wanna make this real good and clear to you too. There is no such thing as Christian water baptism. There's never nothing like that happened in the world. A Christian, I'm faking it now and using it as though the Jews were of Yahshua. You know, you know the name Krishna, Christ is not right. But I'm just using that instead of using the word Yahshua, as Yahshua is correct. I don't want you to think I don't know and just flying by with it, but you don't baptize nobody that's got the Holy Spirit. You're late. Now listen Doc. Now to fulfill this thing, there wasn't anybody but the Jews that was baptized in the Red Sea. John wasn't baptizing anybody but the Jews. No Gentiles. And where there is no Law sin is not imputed. Ain't that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And I wanna say something else to you about that too. This is overlooked ____ ____ Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, all of them, sinned. Somebody say, 'what did you say?' I said.., you heard me, you ain't blind. Yes, sir. What'd he say about that?
Dr. Harris: None righteous, no not one.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. And not only that, not only that, He said He would visit the iniquity of the fathers, which means Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Upon what?
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Student Body: Third and fourth generation.
Dr. Kinley: The third and the fourth generation. ____ ____ So their sins was not imputed but it was the visitation upon the third and fourth generation. Are you listening? Now death reigned from Adam to Moses even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression. Now Moses came on down here to this here. Somebody just thought it was down to here. No, I beg your pardon. That ain't right. The law stood until it was fulfilled. It couldn't be moved. Now, did you get that straightened out?
Voice: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua died. And now they came along and they tried to do Him like they tried to do some of us. Massage Him down. Pharisees and Sadducees. And I used to get hot. Oh, boy, don't you tell me I didn't preach back there in the Church of God. I'm wringing wet with sweat, and sometimes, sometimes I'm sweating ____ ____ ____ ____ had the ____ ____ ____ and I was preaching, just shouting everywhere. Don't you tell me I wasn't no preacher. If you did, I done got hot with you. Oh, yes, just as tightened up as I could be. I declare. Oh, me. You wanted to know anything, ask me. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now that's what I was, carnal minded as I could be. And here one day Yahweh woke me up. Come to find out, I didn't pick up a Bible ____ ____. Oh my goodness, how'd I miss that one? I know another fella setting in here too done the same thing. You know who I'm talking about. Lesalle (Lasalle?) Williams. Go over there and sit ____ ____ ____ ____ ____.
Now we was talking about water baptism and we were telling you that Moses, that John the Baptist preached the baptism of repentance, and baptized the people, none but the Jews. Are you listening now? Suppose you take a look at the 15th chapter of Saint John. Now this is Yahshua the Messiah talking.
Dr. Harris: I am the true vine
Dr. Kinley: Now He said, now 'I am the true vine.'
Dr. Harris: And my Father is the husbandman
Dr. Kinley: Now He's saying He's the true vine, and His Father is the husbandman. Would you read on please.
Dr. Harris: Every branch in me
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute Doc, now you can read. Every root.
Student Body: Branch. No. Branch.
Dr. Kinley: Are you sure that it says branch?
Dr. Harris: Yes sir. Yes sir.
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Dr. Kinley: Every branch. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: In me
Dr. Kinley: In me
Dr. Harris: That beareth not fruit
Dr. Kinley: That don't bear fruit.
Dr. Harris: He taketh away.
Dr. Kinley: His Father took it away.
Dr. Harris: And every branch that beareth fruit.
Dr. Kinley: And every branch that bears fruit
Dr. Harris: He purges it
Dr. Kinley: He purges it
Dr. Harris: That it may bring forth more fruit.
Dr. Kinley: He keeps the garden trimmed. He purges. That's what Adam was put in the garden for. He purges it. Adam's running all over every place, purging. Cut off the dead limbs, and first one thing and another. ____ ____. Purges. But every branch that don't bring forth fruit, He purges. Said His Father took it away. Is that almost right? Every branch in me. Now this is what He's talking about. He's talking about the Jews. Said, I am the true vine, you are the roots. Is that what it said?
Student Body: No. Branches.
Dr. Kinley: Oh, you are the branches. Do you know the different between roots and branches? Alright. Now what we're talking about, now we're talking about water baptism. That's what we're talking about. And we're telling you that John didn't baptize no body but the Jews. And we're telling you he didn't baptize anyone else. The Jews the one that had the Law. They broke it. But Yahweh said ____ ____. The Gentiles, they didn't have it. There wasn't no baptism of repentance to them.
Whew. ____. It's awfully warm in here. But, now this is what you need. You need simple, plain, down to earth, understandable teaching that is taught by the Holy Spirit. Now that's what you just have to have. Now if you don't have some nutritional food there, then you have the rickets, and you're sick, you're unhealthy and subject to death. Now how about that? Alright. Read on Doc.
Dr. Harris: Now ye are clean through the words which I have spoken unto you.
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Dr. Kinley: Now listen. 'No, that ain't right Doc. Now that there, now he made a mistake there.' When He washed the disciples feet, He's baptizing, so the Church of Christ said. Am I lying about it, Dr. Williams?
LaSalle Williams: No. You're correct. That's what they say. ____ ____ ____
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Oh me. Now we told you over here in Paul's epistle, the fourth chapter of Ephesians, 4:4 and 5, we told you there is one Elohim and one Spirit. By the one Spirit you was all baptized into the one body. Are you all listening?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. Now if Yahshua said, 'now I'm the true vine.' Now if you are the roots.
Student Body: Branches.
Dr. Kinley: Branches.
Student Body: Branches.
Dr. Kinley: Now every branch, not roots, that don't bear some fruit in Him, He said His Father takes it away.
TAPE 2, SIDE 1:
Dr. Kinley: Is that right? I wanna know whether that's right or not?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now His Father takes it away. Now I want you to turn to the 11th chapter of Romans. Now the 17th verse.
Dr. Harris: And if some of the branches be-
Dr. Kinley: Now just a minute, you... Just a minute. Now how about that? Now, now if some of the roots.
Student Body: No. Branches.
Dr. Kinley: I just wanna, I always wanna make sure I'm right about it. You don't plant Gentiles. Them Jews was the ones that was planted. Now, if you went over in the sixth chapter of Romans you would find that they were planted. Now you don't have to get out of the same epistle. And just show you what a mess they make out of the epistles as written by the apostles, not understanding. Paul says there in the sixth chapter, Know ye not, as many of us as was baptized into Yahshua the Messiah, was what?
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Student Body: was baptized into His death.
Dr. Kinley: was baptized into His death. Say, not a resurrection, but into His death. Now He is not dead if my understanding of the scriptures is right. I understood that He rose from the dead. And, I understood that John the Baptist baptized the Jews, and also baptized Him. That's my understanding. And it's my understanding that the, the, this is, His body is the Church and we are the members of it. I'm not gonna say John didn't baptize 'em out there cause he said, 'suffer it to be so now;' in other words, he planted. Well, what did he do that for? Adam died and he was planted. The Jew, he thinks that he was planted or buried with him by baptism into His death. What's that for? Read.
Dr. Harris: That you may be in the likeness of His resurrection.
Dr. Kinley: That you might be in the likeness of His resurrection. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: ____ ____
Dr. Kinley: No, right where you are there.
Dr. Harris: For if we have been planted together
Dr. Kinley: If we, if we have been planted, talking about the Jews, if we have been planted. How?
Dr. Harris: Together, in the likeness of His death
Dr. Kinley: Together, with Him, in the likeness of His death
Dr. Harris: We shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection
Dr. Kinley: Now we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection. Is that, is that how, I wanna know is that what it says. Doc, are you reading the Bible? Now look on down to the 11th verse.
Dr. Harris: Likewise.
Dr. Kinley: likewise. Now he's talking about the Gentiles. Likewise, what?
Dr. Harris: Reckon ye also
Dr. Kinley: No, go and get baptized, be a candidate for baptism. Says likewise, reckon ye yourselves also. Talking to the Gentiles. To what?
Dr. Harris: To be dead indeed unto sin.
Dr. Kinley: Dead indeed unto sin.
Dr. Harris: But alive unto Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: But alive unto Yahweh
Dr. Harris: Through Yahshua the Messiah, our Savior.
Dr. Kinley: Through Yahshua the Messiah. Now you're reading in Romans there now. Now go on back over there in the eleventh chapter.
Dr. Harris: And if some of the branches be broken off
Dr. Kinley: Now he said, if some of the branches, some of the Jews, they were subject to John's water baptism, baptism of repentance, so they were broken off.
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When did he get broke off? ____ ____ ____ over to it. Broken off. Right? Alright read.
Dr. Harris: And thou being a wild olive tree.
Dr. Kinley: No, a apple.
Student Body: No. No. Olive tree.
Dr. Kinley: Here's the Adam's apple. That was lodged in Adam's throat. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) But you being a wild olive tree
Dr. Harris: Were grafted in among the branches.
Dr. Kinley: No. Now Doc, now let's don't get that started. Now, you're a candidate for baptism. And were grafted in among them. Grafted in among them. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: And with them are partakers of the root.
Dr. Kinley: And with them you are partakers of the root
Dr. Harris: And the fatness of the olive tree.
Dr. Kinley: And the fatness of the olive tree. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: Boast not against the branches.
Dr. Kinley: Now, say, don't go around here boasting against the branches. Don't ____ going up against the Jews. Don't boast against them. And the Pope, the head of the Church. Don't do that kinda stuff, don't boast against them, and don't go around killing six million because they don't join the Roman Catholic Church. Don't do no boasting like that. No blowing up like that, Bishop. Alright.
Dr. Harris: For if thou boasteth
Dr. Kinley: For if you boasteth
Dr. Harris: Thou barest not the root but the root thee
Dr. Kinley: Now you don't bear the root but the root bears you. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: Thou will say then.
Dr. Kinley: Thou will say then.
Dr. Harris: The branches were broken off that I
Dr. Kinley: Now, the Jew's broken off. For what reason?
Dr. Harris: That I might be grafted in
Dr. Kinley: That I might be grafted in. Where? In the root?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: In the branches. Alright on.
Dr. Harris: Well, because of unbelief they were broken off.
Dr. Kinley: Well, because of unbelief they were broken off.
Dr. Harris: And thou standest by faith.
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Dr. Kinley: And you stand by faith, and not by the works of the Law. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Don't be high minded.
Dr. Kinley: Don't be high minded. Don't be all puffed up, and high minded. Alright. Then what Doc?
Dr. Harris: For if Yahweh spared not the natural branches
Dr. Kinley: For if Yahweh spared not the natural branches, if He didn't spare the Jews, or the natural branches. What?
Dr. Harris: Take heed,
Dr. Kinley: Now you watch out.
Dr. Harris: that He also spare not thee.
Dr. Kinley: There Mr. Gentile, He won't spare you. Alright now, read on Doc.
Dr. Harris: Behold, therefore the goodness and the severity of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Now you look at the goodness and the severity of Yahweh
Dr. Harris: On them which fell
Dr. Kinley: On them which fell. Severity.
Dr. Harris: But toward thee, goodness.
Dr. Kinley: But toward you goodness.
Dr. Harris: If thou continue in His goodness.
Dr. Kinley: If you continue in His goodness.
Dr. Harris: Otherwise
Dr. Kinley: Otherwise
Dr. Harris: Thou shall be cut off.
Dr. Kinley: You'd be cut off. Read on,
Dr. Harris: And they, also, if they abide not still in unbelief.
Dr. Kinley: Now hold up. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Doc. Hold it. Please, hold it. Now you hold that thing. Now them that rejected the counsel of John, rejected baptism, water baptism, baptism of repentance. Now what the Church of Christ and a whole lot of 'em, Jehovah's Witness and them are telling us... Then there's the Roman Catholics, they're saying that they have to be baptized all over. And they said when Peter was preaching up there, and the eleven of 'em was preaching up there on the Day of Pentecost, and wherein that day about 3,000 were saved. It wasn't too far from there to the river Jordan. (THE BELL RINGS) And they was baptized there in the River Jordan. I say it ain't so. The living water was flowing up there in the House of David. And they were baptized with the Holy Spirit. I heard the bell. Read on before we go Doc.
Dr. Harris: And they also
Dr. Kinley: And they also,
Dr. Harris: If they abide not still in unbelief
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Dr. Kinley: Now if they don't abide still in unbelief. Now you listen to what we're reading here now. You get this thing straight. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: Thou be grafted in
Dr. Kinley: No. Planted doc.
Dr. Harris: grafted in.
Dr. Kinley: No, you got to be baptized. Now don't you understand nothing? Yahweh said to graft 'em in. They were broken off out of the branches and you have to be grafted back in the branch, if you continue not in unbelief. Now here you wanna go plant the Gentile, and you wanna plant the Jews in. It don't even make sense. You graft 'em in again where he was broken off at. Now, I want you to read one more scripture. Now, that's if ye abide not still in unbelief, you'd be grafted in among the branches. Now, see about this one. 1 Corinthians 12:13. Now same manes writing.
Dr. Harris: For by one Spirit
Dr. Kinley: No sir, water. For by one Lord, and one Faith, and one Baptism and that's water. For by one Spirit, not water. You understand that Roger? Alright.
Dr. Harris: By one Spirit are we all immersed into one body.
Dr. Kinley: By one Spirit, not water, are we all immersed into the one body. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Whether we be Jew or greek
Dr. Kinley: Now, it don't make no difference, Roger. It don't make no difference whether be Jew or
Dr. Harris: or greek
Dr. Kinley: or greek
Dr. Harris: Whether we be bond or free.
Dr. Kinley: Whether we be bond or free.
Dr. Harris: And have been all made to drink into one spirit.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's it. There ain't no way to put no body up in this thing. And he's not dead laying out there, if you be baptized into His death, cause He's not dead. Then.., the Jew was broken off out of the branches, and the Gentiles grafted where the Jews were. And now the Jew was planted, and he grew up into a tree, into fruition on the Day of Pentecost, them that received the Holy Spirit. And then they went to the Gentiles ____ ____. That's what he's talking about. And he was grafted in by faith, and that by the Holy Spirit. Is that, is that almost right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you and good night.
(STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS) END OF TAPE
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
audio recording received from Lamar Greer (#26B)
transferred to 2 90 minute audio cassettes by Michael Rothstein
Catalog #: 73.0415
Transcribed by Laurie Steinberg and Kim Burrell
first proofreading: Debbie Maneely
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fourth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
SCRIPTURE READING: 2 Peter 3
TAPE 1, SIDE 1:
Dr. Kinley: Good evening. I hope and trust that all of you paid strict attention to scripture lesson that we had read by Dr. Farley. It is important that you pay strict attention to what is read out of this Bible. We select these readings at various intervals and times, because we feel that we want you to pay strict attention to what is said. They're waving their hands back there saying I'm not speaking loud enough. It might be necessary for some of you... I have preached my heart and soul out to you people
Student Body: Right. Yes.
Dr. Kinley: from one time to the other. And I have told you the truth, the truth just like it is. And there won't be no digression or deviation from it. Dr. Harris and the rest of these are aware, fully aware, and understand what the purpose of Yahweh really is, have told you the truth. It's important and it is necessary that you pay strict attention because what you.., what we have read to you, there are those that are going around denying just exactly what we read to you. For example, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. Jehovah's Witnesses say, quoting from Solomon,
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they say that Solomon said that one generation goes and another cometh but the earth abideth forever, which means so they are teaching, eternally. Now that's a direct disputation of what you just.., with what you just had read.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And if you noticed what we had read and I'm gonna ask you to read it over again, and look, I want you to pay strict attention to what the apostle said here and because he has made reference back to the other prophets and what they had to say about it too. Not withstanding now, pay attention, that the Creator Himself have come here, walked around in the flesh and you definitely and positively will find in the 24th chapter of Matthew, and I want somebody to find that and read it too, that heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Suppose you read it, again.
Reader: This second epistle, beloved
Dr. Kinley: Now, he's already written one epistle and.., now look here, if these epistles that these apostles are writing, they're sending out to somebody that knows something about what they're talking about, I mean to Jerusalem. Now he's telling them, now this second epistle, and I want you to know this too, both of 'em are written from Babylon. And a lot of you don't know this too, that there is three Babylons, not two, not one. Babylon in Assyria and Babylon in Egypt, now known as Cairo in Egypt. And Mystery Babylon the Great in this dispensation, which it is apparent that the majority of people know nothing about the Mystery Babylon the Great and yet and still almost everybody is involved in it. That has it's derivative and source from all these erroneous doctrines and idolatry. It's a mystery in how that a person can get up and say one thing one time and then let the Savior or anybody else, Yahweh or anybody else come along and say something contrary and they would rather hold to something, and let them lead many people astray on it.
Now I wanna tell you something else about that before we read. Many things are said in this class like Solomon had said there, one generation goes and another comes but the earth shall abide forever. Now, as long as one generation goes and another comes, why then the earth will abide. Now that's the real meaning of it. It does not mean that the earth will abide eternally. Now listen, let me show you why that's true that way. The earth to begin with it was not an eternal thing. It had to be created, the heavens and the earth. So, now if it had to be created, then it's got to go. For what reason? In fulfillment. Now words are used in this Bible and often times the translators, they say things that if you knew the true translation of it, it wouldn't read like that.
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: Now, here's Yahshua the Messiah coming along and telling you. Now, He is the Creator, and here you're stupid enough to come along and try to tell somebody that He's wrong about what He's teaching and yet and still you swear by all that's holy that you're right. Now that's stupidity and colossal ignorance. Solomon did not mean it that way. Now, to me these things are important. And I'm gonna ask you to read now. And I want you to see, now get this in mind, prophecy must be fulfilled. Now, I'm talking about these prophets that prophesied before the birth of Yahshua the Messiah through the loins of the Virgin Mary. Now, is that clear?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: What we are really doing down here at this school is trying to make everything as clear and plain as possible using every means that we possibly can use to make you understand the purpose in it's fullness. Now we're doing that. I noticed Dr. Harris labored so hard this morning for the few minutes he was on the floor to make you understand what he was talking about. And he proved it too, and didn't try to talk over your head either; tried to explain it in utter simplicity, so that a child could understand. Now I used to use a whole lot of long syllable words, and when I got through with it nobody knew much about what I was talking about. And then they said I was an educated fool. And for your information I only went to the sixth grade of elementary school. But that's what they said. Now then, I got down to the place where I talk real simple, so everybody could understand; and even went to using ____ down south brogue like this; ____ ain't, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) must was be, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) must is, just any kinda way, then they said I was stupid. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) So any way you go, there's always gonna be somebody to have something to say about it. But now what we're laboring here to show is what Peter said about the other prophets before he came on the scene and before Yahshua the Messiah came on the scene. Then we want you to find over there in Isaiah where he said that He would roll it up, the heavens and the earth, as a scroll.
Reader: Isaiah 34:4
Dr. Kinley: First read Peter.
Reader: This second epistle beloved, I now write unto you
Dr. Kinley: This second epistle beloved, I now write unto you
Reader: in both which I stir up your pure minds
Dr. Kinley: Now he's stirring up, they knew this before, so he's stirring up their pure minds
Reader: by way of remembrance
Dr. Kinley: by calling their attention to it, so that they would remember that it was there. You follow? Alright, read.
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Reader: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets
Dr. Kinley: Now that you might be mindful of the words that were spoken before by the holy prophets. Now, read Isaiah and then you can see who's he's talking about.
Mary Gross: And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved
Dr. Kinley: Now, now you see where he's getting it at? Now for somebody to come up here and say to you something different than that, it's a lotta foolishness. And I'll tell you pretty soon why I'm up here. Read on.
Mary Gross: And the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll
Dr. Kinley: Now the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll. Read.
Mary Gross: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
Dr. Kinley: Now, do you see where he got that from? Now read Proverbs 8:22. Now, this is the same man that said what you say he said about one generation goes and the earth abideth forever?
Reader: Yahweh possessed me.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's, that's divine wisdom and intelligence or the attributes, Yahweh possessed me or it was Him right here, which is all of the attributes. Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of His way.
Reader: before his works of old.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's before His works of old. Now you think about that. And then when you get down to business to thinking about it, intelligent and soberly like you should then this is what you ought to see. You ought to see that Yahweh, the Father, possessed Him in the beginning of His way before His works of old. Now, all the time they get up here and they show you by this cloud, all the way around the chart, they tell you every time. And now listen here, Yahshua the Messiah said, listen, believe Me, now if you want that read, I'll have it read, that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me, just believe on Me for My very works sake. Now, when you show this cloud and Him in the cloud, the cloud symbolizing the Father. Can't you see that He is in the Father? And that He possessed Him in the beginning of His way before His works of old or before there was any creation at all. Now, you ought not to have to be told these things repeatedly over and over. You ought to start to learning somewhere. Alright, read on.
Reader: That he may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy
Dr. Kinley: No. Back to Proverbs now.
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Reader: I was set up from everlasting,
Dr. Kinley: I was set up from everlasting,
Reader: from the beginning
Dr. Kinley: from the beginning
Reader: or ever the earth was
Dr. Kinley: or ever the earth was. Now hold that right there. You heard what the man said. Now look at Colossians 1:15 and 16.
Mary Gross: Who is the image of the invisible El
Dr. Kinley: Suppose you go on back up there and get the subject. I want His name called.
Mary Gross: Who has delivered us from the power of darkness and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear son.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see who he's talking about? And I want you to notice right while you're on that too, I want you to notice something else. Would you mind repeating what you just said?
Mary Gross: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness
Dr. Kinley: Now, He has delivered us from the power of darkness or satanic ignorance. Now wait a minute, I want you to see this. Now, He's not going to deliver us, He's already done it. Then what else?
Mary Gross: and translated us
Dr. Kinley: Now, wait a minute. Now don't you come telling me about Jesus coming back setting up no kingdom. Don't come to me with that stuff. That's not so. He's not gonna set up no kingdom. He ain't coming back to set up no kingdom. Then when was the kingdom set up? Lot of 'em, they don't know. I want that read too.
Dr. Harris: Matthew 25:34.
Dr. Kinley: Now Matthew 25:34 in everybody's Book. Read.
Dr. Harris: Then shall the king say unto them
Dr. Kinley: Then shall, now He's dividing the sheep from the goats. Then shall the king say unto them
Dr. Harris: on his right hand
Dr. Kinley: on his right hand. Them's the righteous folks.
Dr. Harris: Come ye, blessed of my Father
Dr. Kinley: Come ye, blessed of my Father
Dr. Harris: Inherit the kingdom
Dr. Kinley: and inherit the kingdom
Dr. Harris: prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
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Dr. Kinley: Prepared. Now do you see that? Do you see that? It was prepared for you before the foundation of the world. Now somebody thinks He has to jump aboard a cloud and go off to prepare a place for us. And that is stated in the Bible. And then if He go, He'll come again and receive us unto Himself that where He is, there you will be also. Now that's in the Book, now if you want that read, I'll read that. But you don't understand this heavenly language. And these carnal minded intellectuals, hypocritical giants, calling themselves masters of language, lead astray these people with their extemporaneous oratory, with their great swelling words, and here you go. Now this is supposed to be in these last days too.
But now the kingdom was prepared formerly, before the foundation of the world. Now when Yahshua said, I go to prepare a place for you, that's the place we wanna talk to you about getting in.., for you getting in tonight. And we want you to see that He has already done set the kingdom up before ever the foundation of the world. And now, since He's died on the cross, He's translated you into the kingdom and these lying bastards and hypocrites all over the world is telling you Jesus is gonna come back and clean up ecological conditions or the environment, and set up His kingdom on earth and rule and reign for a thousand years. And Dr. Harris read this morning, had you to read that Yahshua the Messiah in you was the hope of glory.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now you got Him way off up yonder in the sky someplace, so He could jump down through the sky and set up a kingdom, in it. And yet and still you're saying that He in you is the only hope of glory. Do you understand what I'm talking about? They don't understand spiritual things. They don't have no knowledge of it whatsoever. And of course, now I'm just gonna be plain with mine, and I'm just gonna come right out and say it. Now I'm talking about the Roman Catholics and the Protestants, the Buddhists, and them that believe in Allah, the Muhammedans. Now, I have come in this world, Yahweh sent me in this world to preach to you the gospel, and I feel as Paul said when he was up in Corinth, he said, no man in the regions of Achaia shall stop me from preaching the gospel.15 Tell it like it is. Somebody gets mad, said, 'I'm not going back down there,' and storm out of here. 'I'm not I'm not going back.' But we're gonna preach the gospel whether you come or stay home.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now if you don't wanna hear the gospel, don't come down here. That's my attitude. But if you wanna hear the gospel and wanna know something about the truth and then abide by the consequences, you come down here.
And I wanna say this too while I'm on the floor: Yahshua the Messiah was the only one begotten of the Father, I'm not talking about Moses now, was the only one that was begotten by the Father, full of grace and truth, that come.., that the
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Father really came into the world to preach the gospel in, in the close of the intermediate dispensation.
Now somebody don't know what I mean by that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You follow now? They don't know a thing about it. Billy Graham and these fellows out here on TV and radio and all, they don't know one earthly thing about what they're talking about. They don't even know the name of the Father. The thing is serious. I wouldn't even be up here if it weren't for that. And if I hadn't had a vision and a revelation, I wouldn't be up here and worrying around with a bunch of people. No point in going on 42 years. I can find something else to do. I've been beat up, I told you that. I mean, I mean beat up bodily so, real good. And a long time I couldn't walk straight. I was all over like this. The Black Muslims beat me up. Now if there's any Black Muslims here, I hope you hear that and take some heed to what I'm trying to tell you. And ain't no Black Muslims going to no heaven. Ain't no white folks going. Ain't no Indians, no red folks going. Ain't no Chinese, them the yellow folks, ain't none of them going. How about that?
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Now here, you don't believe that. Well I'm gonna read it to you out of the Book. 15th chapter of first Corinthians the apostle sayeth... These things you must know and cut out this stupidity and ignorance. Alright.
Dr. Harris: I Corinthians 15:50
Dr. Kinley: I Corinthians 15:50. I want it said and repeated loud enough so everybody can hear it. And if you didn't, you didn't read it, when you go home, set down and read it, or put it down on a piece of paper and stick it in your pocket someplace and just as soon as you get time, I know you're awful busy. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Then you read it and find out that none of these black folks, nor white folks, nor yellow folks, nor red folks is going anywhere but to the cemetery.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And cut that stuff out. Read.
Dr. Harris: Now, this I said, brethren
Dr. Kinley: Now Paul said, now this I say. Now if you wanna argue and dispute with
him, that's up to you. But now this I say,
Dr. Harris: that flesh and blood cannot
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute, flesh and blood. Now that gets everybody, all the folks, all the nations and all the nationalities. Don't it almost, don't it almost do that Bishop? Now this I say, that flesh and blood cannot inherit
Dr. Harris the kingdom of Yahweh.
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Dr. Kinley: the kingdom of Yahweh. Just can't do it. Now that oughta shut your mouth. And every time you talk like that, your conscience telling you you're a liar. You oughta pay some attention to it and cut out some of your hypocrisy. Now go back, where he was in Proverbs.
Reader: I was set up from everlasting
Dr. Kinley: I was set up from everlasting
Reader: from the beginning
Dr. Kinley: Now, wait a minute. That makes me read something else. John 1:1.
Dr. Harris: In the beginning was the word
Dr. Kinley: In the beginning was the word
Dr. Harris: And the word was with Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: And the word was with Yahweh
Dr. Harris: And the word was Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: And the word was Yahweh. And I think He's almost in the beginning. You follow? What I'm doing I'm trying to lay this thing down plain so you don't have no excuse from tonight forward. You didn't have any in the first place, but we're trying to let you find out about it now. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word was. Read.
Reader: the same was in the beginning with Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Now, the same was in the beginning with Yahweh
Reader: All things
Dr. Kinley: All things
Dr. Harris: were made by him
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute. Now I wanna show you something right there. Where you just.., you don't miss the boat, and never pay no attention to it. And go right on and sleep a whole couple of lifetimes until Yahweh come along and tell you something. Maybe you'd better read a little further, doc, before I let 'em in on this one.
Dr. Harris: All things were made by him
Dr. Kinley: All things were made by him
Dr. Harris: and without him
Dr. Kinley: and without him
Dr. Harris: was not anything made
Dr. Kinley: was not anything made
Dr. Harris: that was made
Dr. Kinley: that was made. Whenever you commence to talking about BC, you don't realize you're talking about a lotta stupidity. There is no such thing as before Christ or before Yahshua the Messiah. There is no such thing, ain't nothing like that. Possibilities are you never heard that until you come down here. See how important it is for you to come to school? Now, hold that. 15th chapter of, of.., Colossians 1:15 and 16.
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Reader: Who is the image of the invisible El
Dr. Kinley: Now look, Yahweh is invisible and when He's taking on shape and form, then He is the image of the invisible. How about that? Seen only in visions and revelations. Now, I done stood up here long enough and told you that I had a vision. And I have proved it to you.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: There ain't no need of you trying to gainsay what I tell you. It ain't gonna help you a bit. And you can't make no fool out of me. I'm as smart and as wise as you make 'em. Someone think, 'now this man is boasting.' All you can hope to do is make a fool and as (an?) ass out of your own self. Then go away all bloated and said, 'I certainly did tell him something, didn't I?' You ain't said nothing. What I tell you I didn't get from old Henry C. Henry C. is as dumb as another jackass, just like you. Now, that's plain talk so that you can understand. I don't want you to go away thinking that I think I'm smart. Somebody said, 'well, that man said.' I've been through all of this for 40, for around 42 years folks and I've met the smartest and wisest men there is in this world. And what I tell you, I didn't learn it from no man. I got it direct from Yahweh. And things I thought, and I was pastor in the church too, assistant pastor in the church for 15 years and I was called and classified a Bibliomaniac. Open your Bible anywhere, start to read and I'd tell you the chapter and verse where you was reading at. And then I thought I was smart. And that's what the people do. Reading chapters and verses. That don't mean nothing. I was called a Bibliomaniac or a walking Bible. And then here one day I was rocking in my rocking chair and Yahweh caught me up into the third heaven. Something else I oughta talk to you about. I know another fella who was caught up in the third heaven. The Apostle Paul. Now here's a carnal mind, they think Jesus is gone on into the third heaven too. Gone there to prepare a place for us. Now here's Paul, he's caught up into the third heaven, and there he is laying right down there flat on the ground. And all them that was going on the way to Damascus looking at the man right there on the ground. Now, how could a man get up and tell a big lie like that if he was in the third heaven and everybody's looking at him. Do you see what I'm talking about? This ain't like, this ain't like folks might think that it is, it's not that way at all. Alright, finish reading where you was reading.
Mary Gross: Who is the image of the invisible El
Dr. Kinley: Now He is.., wait a minute, let's get this straight too. Now, you could just go on and read over that word image. And then when you got through with that you'd be just as stupid and dumb as you was in the first place. Now image means something that has a shape and form. It has to have some kind of descriptive shape and form to be an image. And Dr. Harris told you this morning that Adam here that Yahweh took out of the dust of the earth, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and he became a living soul and he was made in the likeness and image of Yahweh Elohim. Do you follow that now?
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Now, you running around all the time looking out here trying to see something. Hunting, trying to find God or Yahweh, never even thought about what He looks like. And Dr. Harris also told you this morning about the internal parts or your internal organs. And he compared them about the things in the sanctuary, these vessels in the tabernacle. They're comparative.
Now folks, listen at what I'm gonna say now. There is nowhere on this earth that you can go outside of this school and learn about your eternal Creator, what you should know. Now I know that may sound just like a lie cause every time you say something like that somebody says, 'well that's what our pastor says.' Your pastor don't know nothing about the thing at all. And if he do and I want, please include this TV preachers, Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, Rex Humbard. Now, I'm just down to a place now where I have to talk plain. Take out, take out all this.., all the foolishness and just the plain insinuations. Pope Paul, none of the popes, they don't, they don't know nothing about what they're talking about, don't have no idea. If they did they wouldn't be talking like they talk.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And listen here folks, if any one of 'em knew what, what it was all about, by the weight of that one, the rest of 'em would fall. Everybody comes along wants to curse me out though. I wrote a book, I don't like that personal, that personal pronoun I, I don't like too much of that, in 1961. And I told you then that the Roman Catholics and others would be using the name Yahweh, Elohim, and Yahshua. Did I tell you that? Answer me.
Student Body: Yes you did.
Dr. Kinley: When you stand up and tell somebody these things, then they think, 'well, I don't know about that.' But I tell you these things before they come to pass. And I'll tell you something else you don't know. Would you mind standing up Dr. Gross? This man, your President, has been, he and I have been together close on to 41 years. We've lived together and right in direct communication with one another 41 years. And I told you the history of the world many times and then told you that if what I tell you don't come to pass like I tell you, don't come back to school cause there won't be no school. Now, I say to you you don't know nobody in history that you can read after that's been any more accurate about these things than I have. And I don't really mean me, I mean that which is within me. (AMBULANCE AND FIRE ENGINE SIRENS START BLOWING OUTSIDE) Dr. Hobbs told you this morning, that I told him a couple of weeks ago before he was to go to Des Moine, Denver rather and there was a whole lot of snow and rain and it was bad and cold up there and floods all up there. Is that right? I said don't worry about it. We'll take care of it. Now, almost anybody would go right on past it, Hasn't thought anything about it. But was it that way? Was was the weather pretty nice up there? (SIRENS STOP)
Elba Hobbs: Perfect. Perfect.
Dr. Kinley: Gary?
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Man: Seventy five degrees.
Dr. Kinley: Were you with him?
Man: Yes I was.
Dr. Kinley: Is he lying?
Man: No sir. Seventy five degrees.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you. You don't pay no attention to these things. You just take 'em with a grain of salt and pass right on. Now, you know I've had a heart attack. Now, I'll tell you this. I will not be with you much longer. I didn't say when. Walking around here in a physical body, I will not be with you much longer. Now, I told you this, I've already told you the truth. I told it to you like it is. You've had the opportunity to test it, in order to prove the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy and the infallibility of it. Conclude.
Mary Gross: Who is the image of the invisible El.
Dr. Kinley: Who is the image of the invisible El.
Mary Gross: The first cause of all creation.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute. Now, He's the first cause of all creation. Now, if you had your King James version of the Bible, it'll tell you there it's talking about Jesus Christ, but in the Holy Name version, that's not who he's talking about. Talking about Yahshua. Now He's the first cause, repeat it.
Mary Gross: The first cause of all creation
Dr. Kinley: for He's the first cause of all creation
Mary Gross: For by him were all things made
Dr. Kinley: For by him were all things made
Mary Gross: that are in heaven
Dr. Kinley: that are in heaven, made the angels, Michael and Gabriel and all the rest of 'em. Alright, read on.
Mary Gross: that are in earth
Dr. Kinley: that are in earth
Mary Gross: visible and invisible
Dr. Kinley: visible and invisible
Mary Gross: whether they be thrones
Dr. Kinley: whether they be thrones
Mary Gross: or dominions
Dr. Kinley: or dominions
Mary Gross: or principalities
Dr. Kinley: or principalities
Mary Gross: or powers.
Dr. Kinley: or powers.
Mary Gross: All things were created by Him
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Dr. Kinley: All things were created by Him
Mary Gross: and for Him
Dr. Kinley: and for Him
Mary Gross: and He is before all things.
Dr. Kinley: Now you talk about BC. Now that's the way people read the Bible, and all conglomerated up and yet and still they profess that they know Him, Now all things, now I want you to see my point now. All things were created or made by Him and for Him. Now I'm back on the text in third chapter of Peter.
Reader: This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance, that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: and of the commandment of us the apostles of the redeemer and savior.
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: Knowing this first
Dr. Kinley: Now get this straight first.
Reader: that there shall come in the last days
Dr. Kinley: That there shall come in the last days, Billy Graham
Reader: scoffers
Dr. Kinley: scoffers
Reader: walking after their own lusts
Dr. Kinley: The Pope. Rex Humbard. Scoffers. Walking after their own lusts. Building up congregations, swaying great masses of people, and they are just as ignorant as they can be and don't know what they're talking about. Scoffers. What else?
Reader: and saying
Dr. Kinley: and saying
Reader: where is the promise of His coming?
Dr. Kinley: where is the promise of His coming?
Reader: For since the fathers
Dr. Kinley: Now, oop, oop. Hold it. Saying where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers
Reader: fell asleep
Dr. Kinley: The apostles and the prophets back in there fell asleep.
Reader: All things continued as they were
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Dr. Kinley: Everything continues as they were, everybody's looking for the thing to continue on as it was until Jesus comes, as it was from the beginning. Now this they're willingly ignorant of, that the world has ended twice before. (A HELICOPTER IS FLYING OVER THE BUILDING AND CONTINUES FLYING IN
AND OUT THROUGH PAGE 16) Now, the end of the world or the end of an age. Now, when you're reading here about the flood, you're reading about the end of the world or the end of an age. Now back there we were willingly ignorant of it, when you're reading about the crucifixion of Yahshua the Messiah, now listen at me now, and to do away with all of these natural and physical things, including the flesh, and then everything's continue as they were from the very beginning and they're willingly ignorant of it, don't want nobody to tell 'em. You are living in another world and another age. Dr. Harris stressed it this morning. And Pope Paul, Billy Graham and all, I keep these things before you. I want to ____ here before this class. And I'll tell you something else I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about sending Dennis, Dr. Dennis Droulard, and anybody else that's free to go to Tulsa, Oklahoma, to see Oral Roberts. And Dr. Mathess has already wrote that other hypocrite, Billy Graham and Rex Humbard and them. We're serious about it. We're concerned about it. Now, we would like to see them saved, instead of being lost. It's my responsibility to warn them and to tell them. They don't know and then have the nerve to stand up and say they don't know and them people still follow 'em right on just the same. Sit there and told them they didn't know. Now Dr. Dennis, he didn't know I was thinking about anything like that, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) and nobody else. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) It's necessary. We can't get them to come to the convention. If you can't tell him something while he's there. And Dr. Mathess tried to make an appointment for Oral Roberts and his secretary down in Georgia somewhere wrote a letter back.
Student: Billy Graham.
TAPE 1, SIDE 2:
Dr. Kinley: I mean wrote Billy Graham. And Billy Graham's secretary said Billy Graham knew about my revelation. Billy Graham don't know no more about my revelation that hog does about gold teeth. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) If he did, he wouldn't be carrying on like he's doing. What does he know about it? Nothing.
Reader: For this they willingly are ignorant of
Dr. Kinley: Now, they just wanna be ignorant. Whenever you read over there what the prophets said, then you come up and see what Jesus said, then you come up and you talk about what Solomon said, misunderstand that, then willingly ignorant that Yahweh created the thing and He's gonna take it back out. Willful ignorance. Don't wanna know no better. Don't want nobody to tell 'em. And then they're trying to end this school. We've had to fight a lot of it. Come in and we'll always try to be hospitable, and try to show devotion and respect and love. That's our job too. We don't want to be snarling around at people, self righteous and untouchable and just as full of the devil as we can be ourselves and we expect to tell somebody else something and they don't believe us and our carnal mind and our hateful disposition and attitude and we get all sore about it. All turn up and
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____. You don't know either. Now, that's the real facts of the case. You don't know either. Somebody say, 'well you don't understand, I've been coming down here nearly five years now.' You could been coming down here 50 years and still don't know. Do you understand me now? This has got to come to you by revelation. How many of you before you come to this school..? Hold up your hand, I want everybody in it, Hold up your hand. I don't care who you are, if you're out in the hall, or down.., if you can hear me down on the street, please run up the steps. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Anybody that knew before you come to this school that BC was a botch and you knew all about it before you come to this school, would you mind holding up your hand? Or stand up, that's better. I don't see no hands here, does anybody else see any? Now don't put it in your pocket, hold it up or stand up.
Woman: They're thinking about it.
Dr. Kinley: Huh?
Woman: Ain't got no takers. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: Ain't got no takers.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now, now I'm reading out of this Bible. He created everything Himself, and He was set up from everlasting to everlasting. He was in the Father and the Father was in Him. You follow it now? I'm trying to bring you face to face with reality. Now you can go on and hold on to your denominationalism, and your colossal ignorance and stupidity. You can do that, that's your privilege. My job is preaching the gospel and showing you what Yahweh revealed to me to give to you. Now, you can reject it. You can go to hell if you want to. You can go to the lake if you want to. And listen folks, in as much so as the Kingdom was prepared before the foundation of the world, so also was the Lake.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now any body that don't believe that, I'll read. Stick up your hand and I'll read. This, this is no play thing with me. Ain't nobody done paid me no whole lotta money around here to tell you people a whole bunch of lies. And if you come to give me, some said, 'Doc Kinley,' say, 'here's your salary.' I don't care how much it was, if it was a million dollars, I'd tell you I wouldn't, I don't want it. And I'd like for you to know this too while I'm on this score. I have been offered millions of dollars since I have been in Los Angeles, California and before I came. Now anybody that don't believe that, hold up your hand and I'll prove that to you. Don't hide. I'm not preaching for no money. I don't care nothing about your money. It's your soul I'm interested in.
Student Body: Alright.
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Dr. Kinley: I don't care nothing about admiration of personalities. I done told you I'm smarter than any you ever seen. And I'm dumber than a jackass, so now you know what I think about you. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) It must be a revelation.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Trying to get it over to you. And the time of the end is at hand. And that's been at hand all along too. The day of Yahweh has been at hand all along. I'll tell you this now. The creation took place in the Day of Yahweh so it's been at hand all the time. Did you know that? That's eternity. Now doc, you can go sit down. You and your little sassy ____.
(THE HELICOPTER CAN NO LONGER BE HEARD) Now these things I try to tell you for your own benefit, and without any cost to you. Now it's up to you. And I want you to know something else. I told you before I wrote that book, that anything I said to you here I would go down in the Vatican or anywhere else on earth and say it. And you know the Roman Catholics have killed millions upon top of millions. And I was right down there with Dr. Harris. And that thing that they had down there, they didn't want no tape recorders, didn't want no cameras, nor nothing. And they think that I'm fool enough to think that they didn't have some cameras in there. Like this hidden camera, Alan Funt. 'Smile, you're on Candid Camera.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) They took special pains to ask Dr. Dennis what his name is, who he was. Dr. Gross identified us one by one, as one right in the candid camera. Pope Paul setting over there just looking at it. And I wrote in the book that Pope John the 23rd or the popes were nothing but Satan incarnated. Then had the nerve on page 132 and 33, I believe it is, if my memory serves me right, said that he wouldn't be in the Vatican, wrote down how soon he would die. And He died before the sixth of June. Now here something about the sixth of June, what year was that?
Man: 1963.
Dr. Kinley: 1963. Now, you go get your encyclopedias and look at it, and look in the book. I can't fix that. He died June the third, 1963. And I said he wouldn't be there on the sixth of June. Do you know what the sixth of June was? The Day of Pentecost. And this is what I said, I said he would be in hell, Purgatory (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) or in heaven, he certainly wouldn't be in the Vatican. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now that was written in that book. Now, I said that to say this. Now, if you pay attention, you can tell how I can tell about what's gonna happen, but if you won't pay no attention, I can't talk to you. I'm supposed to know what's happening, what's going on all the time. That is if I am who I tell you that I am.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You follow?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: You got enough of this?
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Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: You think I should go and sit down?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. Finish reading this.
Reader: For this they willingly are ignorant of
Dr. Kinley: Now they're willingly ignorant of that.
Reader: that by the word of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: by the word of Yahweh
Reader: the heavens were of old
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. The heavens were of old. That's by the Word of Yahweh. Alright, read.
Reader: And the earth standing out of the water
Dr. Kinley: And the earth standing out of the water
Reader: and in the water
Dr. Kinley: and in the water
Reader: whereby the world that then was
Dr. Kinley: whereby the world that then was
Reader: being overflowed
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Wait just a minute. That's the reason why I'm trying my best to tell you and that's really one reason why I'm up here. I'm trying my best to get over to you that whatever you're gonna do, hurry up and get it done. Do it quick. Because you are down at the close of this Present Age. Now, I didn't stand around and trust you to read up on it, I'm telling you myself that the... Repeat what you just read.
Reader: Whereby the world that then was
Dr. Kinley: Whereby the age or world that then was
Reader: being overflowed with water
Dr. Kinley: Now, being overflowed with water
Reader: perished.
Dr. Kinley: perished. Now there wasn't but eight people in this ark. That was the end of that age. And look, I'll have you to see this now, I think this is appropriate, and the proper time and place to say it. Now, there wasn't but one door in that ark. Now, you either went in at that one door, or you perished.
Student Body: Right. Everything that didn't go in just one door, perished. Yahshua the Messiah said, I am the door, everything that don't go in by Him perishes. There ain't but one door in the tabernacle. That's all folks. Ain't no whole lotta ways, just one way, just one door, just one Messiah. Somebody said, 'yeah, I know we all striving to go to the same place and when we all get up yonder.' No. You all won't be up there, you don't need to worry about that.
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Because, listen, Yahweh said, as I live, saith Yahweh, to me every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess Yahshua the Messiah, not Jesus Christ, to His glory and satisfaction of Yahweh. Now listen, you're gonna have to do that. There will be no way of escape, any more so than there was an escape for these people here. They perished in the flood. Everybody that come up out of Egypt had to go through this one door through the Red Sea. Yahshua the Messiah said, I am the door to the sheepfold, tenth chapter of Saint John. That ain't all He said. Now listen folks. I am the door. Now get this straight now, the reason why I'm telling you about this, the Pope says, they say of the Pope that he has power to put you in heaven and take you out. Even angels, demote them. Now, listen, Yahshua the Messiah said, I am the door, no man, popes, nobody else, goeth unto the Father but by Me. Now, you can go on ahead and believe that junk if you want to. You can say, 'well my mother and my father and all my people were in this thing years and years ago and they died and they went to heaven out of it.' 'I ____. And they died and they went to heaven out of it.' I beg your pardon. We just got through telling you flesh and blood didn't inherit the kingdom. Hobbs, where'd you take them folks? To the cemetery?
Elba Hobbs: To the cemetery boss.
Dr. Kinley: Do you follow? Finish.
Reader: But the heavens and the earth which are now,
Dr. Kinley: Which are now
Reader: by the same Word
Dr. Kinley: by the same Word
Reader: are kept in store
Dr. Kinley: Now, I don't know whether you know this or not, Yahshua the Messiah, He is the Word. Now, let's get that straight too, before we move. The first chapter of John, 14th verse. And hold, and hold that, I'll be back.
Dr. Harris: In the beginning was the Word
Dr. Kinley: Now in the beginning was the Word
Dr. Harris: and the Word was with Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: and the Word was with Yahweh.
Dr. Harris: 14th verse.
Dr. Kinley: 14th verse.
Dr. Harris: and the Word was made flesh
Dr. Kinley: and the Word was made flesh
Dr. Harris: and dwelt among us
Dr. Kinley: and dwelt among us
Dr. Harris: and we beheld His glory
Dr. Kinley: and you looked right at His glory
Dr. Harris: the glory of the only begotten of the Father
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Dr. Kinley: the glory of the only begotten, only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Is that, is that almost in there? Now you found out, found out about that. Didn't you? Now if you wanna find out about whether anybody can, the Pope can put anybody into heaven...
And this is something they got too. I'll have this read too. Said he has plentitude of power. And.., it's in the.., I think it's in the 20th chapter of John or the 21st chapter of John, where He said to Peter, I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom. Now are you listening? Are you listening? Make sure you're listening now. And if you're listening you won't be fooled by this one. Now, the Pope, he's supposed to pray you out of Purgatory, the priest and them do, and put you in heaven. And they say that the Bible says that He would give Peter the keys, and whatsoever he bound on earth would be bound in heaven, and whatsoever he loosed on earth would be loosed in heaven. The Bible does not say that. I want to read where it does say. Now, wait a minute. You got a King James version and you got a Holy Name version. When you get home, those of you that have a Roman Catholic Bible, read that. Have you found that?
Mary Gross: Matthew 16:19
Dr. Kinley: Matthew 16:19
Mary Gross: And I will give unto thee the kingdom, the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatsoever
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute. Do you know the difference between whosoever and whatsoever? He didn't say whosoever, He said whatsoever, not whosoever. I'll give unto thee the keys of the kingdom. Please be advised that He said this too to the rest of 'em, whatsoever I say unto one, whatever He said unto Peter, I say unto all.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: He has to give 'em all the keys to the Kingdom. Now, let me get this straight now. Make sure you get this straight. They don't even know what the keys to the kingdom is. It doesn't ____ a long somebody that you ram up in a lock. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Some turned it over here, and some open your door or turn the key, open your door. That's not it. Now, we have been telling you about the keys to the Kingdom all along. We tell you every meeting, never miss. Here are the keys. Well, I want everybody to see it. This is it. What do you mean? What are you talking about? The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit incarnate. Them three. You understand?
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: Now then, you take that when it's transfigured here or transformed into a three fold intangible tabernacle. The keys. I'll give 'em to you. And this tabernacle, it goes all the way through. It even analyzes the Godhead. And I'll give you the keys to the Kingdom, whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. Now, are you listening? Every earthly thing is bound on the earth, every natural thing. Flesh and blood, I told you, it does not go into heaven, Paul said that. You are bound on the earth, you're not going anywheres. Flesh and blood. The keys: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, these three are one. One universal.., somebody says, 'Godhead.' Okay, for the sake of understanding, them three. They are.., they're the keys. And listen, every particle of matter, all of nature itself shows just that. That's the keys. The pattern is a key. And when you have the knowledge of it, then you have the keys to the Kingdom. It'll unlock. Don't enter, don't unlock it, bound on earth. How about that? Now Dr. Harris gets up here and goes through this all the time, he goes through your physical body. And look folks. You can't hardly lie 40 different times: every last one of these plates and all, and that goes for you too, is put together the same way. All of nature. That's the reason why I can tell you, at any time I choose, what's going on. I got the key. Now, here comes somebody that don't have the keys. He's liable to tell you anything. Now read just a little further and while he's reading that... Now wait a minute. Let's repeat this. Repeat what you, what you just read over there in Matthew.
Mary Gross: And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven.
Dr. Kinley: When He gave them the Holy Spirit, that was a knowledge of Him and His Father, the Holy Spirit, just to them ____ that tabernacle, Peter and all the rest of 'em. Now those were the keys, not key, keys to the kingdom. Now how about that? He gave it to them. That's the reason why you don't find Peter saying one thing and Paul saying something else, Isaiah saying one thing and some of the rest of them saying something else. They all had the same key. And I'll give you another one. There's one more key He didn't give it to them. Kept it. Oh, ain't this nice? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) 'What's the..?' Got the key to death and hell and the grave. ____ ____ ____. John saw Him out on the Isle of Patmos after He said that, he said He hadn't, hadn't given 'em away yet. Now how about that? Hadn't given 'em away yet. Folks, have you learned anything yet?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Anything at all? Now the only way, we tell you this all the time, the only way you can learn anything, as Dr. Harris said this morning, and he said it in, almost in a comical way. Now for you to learn anything about the truth, you have to go where the truth is. You can't go out there somewhere where the truth is not being taught, and understand. Now any idiot from anywhere, just any idiot, I did this, I've did it time and time again. These people have set and witnessed it. Just grab up somebody that's hardly hadn't ever been here before, grab him up, and take a child a little child and bring a seat, get a seat out of the aud.., out of here, and set the thing, set the child right down, right there and just forget all about the audience, and tell him, say, 'now look, when I say blood, water, you say 40.' Then
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I'd say, 'I'm gonna ask you questions and when I ask you a question, this is what you say.' Now let me show you what I'm talking about. Blood, water... How long was Adam in the garden of Eden?
Student Body: 40 days.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's blood, water, 40. Now how long did.., how long did it rain on earth'? Blood, Water...
Student Body: 40 days.
Dr. Kinley: 40 days. Now look, this one's out here. Alright, now we got blood here. Where you get the blood at there?
Student Body: Circumcision?
Dr. Kinley: Circumcision. Now how old was Ishmael...
Student: 40.
Dr. Kinley: when Isaac.., when Abraham was circumcised?
Student Body: 40.
Dr. Kinley: huh?
Student Body: (LOUDER) 40.
Dr. Kinley: Now you don't have to be afraid. It's in the Book. 40. Alright now, here's blood, passover, water here. How long was they in the wilderness?
Student Body: 40 years
Dr. Kinley: 40. 40 years. Follow? Alright, let's keep right on going. Now Moses built the tabernacle out there. How long was the tabernacle in there?
Student Body: 40 years
Dr. Kinley: 40 years. Now watch. Every time we're coming right back on the same thing. Now, what I am telling you now, I wanna make this real good and clear to you, I wanna make it clean and clear. Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, Rex Humbard and the rest of these tele.., TV preachers, they don't know this. All that they're doing, just reading around in the Bible and saying, 'Jesus said,' and 'Joshua or Yahshua said' or 'Moses said' or 'lsaiah said.' They don't know a thing about it. Here we go again now. Blood at the passover, water at the Red Sea, and how long is it in the wilderness?
Student Body: 40 years.
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Dr. Kinley: 40. You got to keep it going. Now here's the blood here. Here's the water. How long was Yahshua the Messiah when He went straight way in the wilderness?
Student Body: 40.
Dr. Kinley: How long was He in there?
Student Body: 40 days.
Dr. Kinley: 40 days. How do you know that? Because Adam was in the garden 40. It rained 40 days and 40 nights. They was in here 40 years. Ishmael was 40 years old when he's circumcised. How long did the tabernacle? 40 years and then Joshua picked it up and carried it on across there. How long was it when Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan and, where did He go? Into the wilderness. Why? Because they're in the wilderness. How long were they in there? 40. Blood and water. Now, come right on back. Here He's crucified out here on the cross, buried in Joseph's new tomb, symbolical of water, resurrected from the dead. And how long did He tarry on earth?
Student Body: 40 days.
Dr. Kinley: 40 days before He ascended into heaven. Now them hypocrites don't know that. Now let me show you something. Faith comes by hearing. Now when you hear me put the thing together, and show you how it is, then you know. Now look here, how far was it from here to the Red Sea?
Student Body: Three days.
Dr. Kinley: Three days journey and then there's the water. Is that right? Now, we're going on back into the creation of the world. And the scientists and all 'em are all messed up on it. Here's the third day of the creation, right here. Suppose you read what it says that on the third day. Read it out of Genesis 1. I'm trying to show you something folks. I'm trying to show you, what you have to do in order for you to have any faith or any confidence otherwise you just read and you don't know what you're reading about. Alright, read, I asked you to.
Reader: And Elohim said
Dr. Kinley: And Elohim said
Reader: Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together in one place
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: And let the dry land appear and it was so.
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: And Elohim called the dry portion Earth, and the gathering of together of the water He called seas. And Elohim saw that it was good. And Elohim said, let the Earth bring forth tender grass, the herb yielding seed and the fruit tree yielding fruit after its kind, whose seed is in itself upon the Earth and it was so. And the Earth brought forth tender grass and herb yielding seed after his kind and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and Elohim saw that it was
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good.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute before you go, go any further. Now did you see there that the seed yielding seed after its kind. Now can't you see when that idiot stands up and tells you that a man come from a monkey? (STUDENT BODY REACTS) Now how about that one? Read on Bill.
Reader: And Elohim saw that it was good.
Dr. Kinley: And Yahweh saw that it was good. Seed after his kind. Now you know good and well you don't plant apples and get plums and peaches, and stuff like that. Birds don't lay eggs and hatch out flying squirrels (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) or serpents or something. You don't really need no sense. Alright now here's what we're after now. We're after.., to find out about this day. Read.
Reader: And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Dr. Kinley: And the evening and the morning were the third day. Now listen, what you just read about, you read about the herbs, seed yielding seed after it's kind. And the herbs. And you read about the dry land appearing. Is that right? You say that's right? And that's the third day of the creation. Now here's the seed of Abraham, this posterity, the seed of Abraham, going and coming up to the Red Sea. And Moses held that rod up over that sea, and the sea parts into a tunnel like effect. And now listen, a high wind blew all that night and dried up the sea. Let the dry land appear, dried up the sea, the waters. And they went right through the divided waters of the Red Sea, the seed of Abraham, like the seed of vegetation, on the third day, went right, the third day of creation, went right straight through. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Did you follow? And that's on the third day. Right. Now, doc when I put that together, then I come over here and put this seed together over here, and show you how He raised from the dead, the seed of Abraham, on the third day, and He was buried in Joseph's new tomb, dry land, stone rolled up to the door, just like the waters covered the face of the earth here and Yahweh rolled them back and let the dry land appear and the seed of vegetation come up. Then we see the seed of Abraham coming up over here on the third day; in other words, all I am doing is puffing the thing together with unerring accuracy and infallibility, all the way through the dispensations and ages. Can't make no mistakes. Why? Cause you got the keys or the pattern. Come up to you. Got you covered, from your.., from a cell, the atom, a molecule. Got you covered every kinda way you wanna go. Time and everything. And there's nothing you can do with it. How many minutes do I have?
Man: 14, about 14 minutes.
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Dr. Kinley: I wanna do something here. Now look here, you're told... Somebody get up and put one, two, three, four. Put nine figures on the board right straight down to the bottom. Now since you can read that, now you read in your Book, Isaiah 8:20, to the law and to the testimony, come back here to the beginning, to the prophecy; if they speak not according to this word it's because there's no light in 'em. You have the nine attributes, and you assembled them here. Nine. Then you had the Father, that's one; you had the Word, that's two; and then you had Him manifested in the flesh, that's three. One, two, three. Now you got the tabernacle: the Most Holy Place, the Holy Place, the Outer Court. That's three. Now, I'm trying to take the confusion and the conglomeration out of it.... Now... Oh, you got it all divided off here. Now here's what we're doing. We're going back to the law and then we're coming back to the testimony. Now, this is what we're doing, what I just did before. I showed you the blood, the water and the spirit. Showed it to you all the way through, and the one, two, three. Now three times three is nine?
Now, if I go back and forward, I wanna show you now that all.., these is all the numbers there is. I don't care if you wanna count to a billion or sextillion. These is all the numbers there is. Now somebody give me a number but before you do it, put down 1098, 1089. All you gonna work on that side, get over here. Rub that off of that. No not that, this. Put down 1089. Now add a seven to it.16 Now that's all the days is in a week. Now you see this temple up here? From Egypt to the dedication of this temple. Do you know how long that was?
Student Body: 490
Dr. Kinley: 490 years. Now, from the dedication of the temple to the birth of Yahshua the Messiah, you know how long that was?
Student Body: 1,000
Dr. Kinley: One thousand. Now I'm showing you how.., no sooner you make a mistake, I got you. Got you any way you wanna go, but you don't realize it. Ten, eight, nine. 490 Now how long, how long is that? How many days in a week?
Student Body: Seven.
Dr. Kinley: Seven days in a week. That's 490 years. Now Adam live how long'?
Student Body: 930 years.
Man: Adam?
Dr. Kinley: Yes, Adam.
Man: 930 years.
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Dr. Kinley: 930 years. Now how long was it after he died to make up a thousand?
Student Body: 70 years
Dr. Kinley: Seventy more years to make a thousand. Now that was a principle, and Yahweh's talking ____. Now, I have to hurry because they said I don't have but a few minutes and you ring the bell on me please.
Now look, we said go to the law then come to the testimony. Now these is all the figures, folks. Now, somebody give me a figure. Now this is what we're gonna come out with every time. We don't care what figures you give us. We're gonna come out with this every time. We're gonna first come out with 1089 then we're gonna come out.., we're gonna add seven to it for the seven days in a week, the seven days in the creation and the seventh day. We're gonna come out with that. Now, we'll take all of the figures, we don't care which one you give us. Somebody give me one.
Woman: Three.
Dr. Kinley: huh?
Woman: Twenty four.
Woman: Three
Dr. Kinley: huh?
Man: Three digit numbers.
Woman: One, two, three.
Dr. Kinley: One, two, three. Now what are you doing? We told you to the law and to the testimony, so now you take a high number, 321. Now that's back there, and then you take the low number. Now that's better. Now subtract it.
Student Body: Eight. (321 - 123 = 198. THE STUDENT BODY IS HELPING THE MEMBER DO THE SUBTRACTION ON THE BOARD)
Dr. Kinley: He better not make no mistakes. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) He went to High School. He better not make no mistakes he's gonna have everybody mad.17 1089. Now wait now. I want you to show me.., I wanna show you this. That 1089. I wanna show you how that come in. From the dedication of this temple to the birth of the Messiah is a thousand years. And from that down to John on the Isle of Patmos is how long?
Student Body: 1096
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17 123 reversed is 321. 321 - 123 = 198. 198 + 891 = 1089.
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Dr. Kinley: 1096. Well now it was 1089 without adding these seven days here. It was 1089 without adding the seven days. 1089. Then you add the seven days as John witnesses the creation. And then you got 1096.18 Listen folks, that means this: from Adam that creation, the expulsion here, it was one thousand and ninety six years from that time until John was on the Isle of Patmos, witnessing the whole thing, 1096. Now, you give him ____. Now you got one, two, three, that takes up the ____. Now get the rest of them. You got four, five, and six.19 Now Yahweh is called the great geometrician.
Student: Six, five, four. (THE BODY IS HELPING THE STUDENT DO THE CALCULATION ON THE BOARD.)
Dr. Kinley: Well went to High School. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Man: 198.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's what it is, cause now when I get in here and I get to telling you about these things, that's what I'm doing, I'm holding your feet to the fire. Now you may not know that, but that is what I'm doing. Is that right? Is that right folks?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now you add one, two, three. Now you got four, five, six. Now you got seven, eight, nine.20 (DR. KINLEY WAITS WHILE THE INDIVIDUAL DOES THE CALCULATION.) Now hurry up cause time's flying on by. And I'll tell you about that zero, that aught. (STUDENT CALL OUT NUMBERS TO HELP THE CALCULATION) He better not make no mistake. (STUDENTS ARE CALLING OUT NUMBERS TO HELP THE INDIVIDUAL)
TAPE 2, SIDE 1:
You can put it there if you want to but it's gonna tell on you. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now here's.., now you have one, two, three. Yahweh here is one; His manifestation of this is two; and in the flesh is three. There's nine attributes, now listen now, embodied in the cloud. Here's the tabernacle with a Court Around About it. This is your altar; this is your altar. This is Yahweh, that's your altar. Now take this chart here. ____ ____ ____ take it from right here. Do you remember that I was talking to you about the Kingdom before the foundations of the world. Now here, here is attributes, and the ____ all the way around. And from Yahweh, who is these attributes organized, listen now, and from Him emanates the Kingdom. Do you know what I mean by emanates? I mean the Kingdom come
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18 1089 + 7 days of creation = 1096, the number of years from the dedication of the temple to John's vision of the Isle of Patmos.
19 456 reversed is 654. 654 - 456 = 198. 198 + 891 = 1089. 1089 + 7 days of creation = 1096.
20 789 reversed is 987. 987 - 789 = 198. 891 + 198 = 1089. 1089 + 7 days of creation = 1096.
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from Him, You can't have a kingdom without having a king. An angel ____ ____ so now we posses that same tabernacle around, and we put that Court Around About, show 'em where the Court is there. That's the Court Around About. Show 'em over there.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
audio cassette recording received from Lamar Greer (#25B)
2 90 minute audio cassettes
CATALOG#: 74 KP
Tape 1 transcriber: Jessie Hunley
Tape 2 transcriber: Michael Rothstein
Tape 1, first proofreading: Marvin Kimmie
Tape 1, second proofreading: Susan Ameigh
Tape 1 and 2 third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
Tape 1, fourth proofreading: Michael Rothstein
fifth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable.
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
TAPE 1, SIDE 1:
Dr. Kinley: ... You had better be prepared, cause it you don't, why then there's where you make a fool out of yourself.
Now I thought that tonight we'd get down on some things that we ought to know something about where you are in the purpose of Yahweh as to His purpose and plan in the ages. Well where. Now the reason for me talking like that is this, first of all you don't hear in Roman Catholicism and Protestantism and Judaism, you do not hear about the dispensations and ages. There's no way under the sun for you to understand the purpose of Yahweh without a profound knowledge of the dispensations and ages. You don't know anything at all about it.
And there's another important thing too, that Ambassador College just right recently learned, after the accumulation of many millions of dollars, and deceiving many millions of people all over the world. They did not know, and for the most part, Christendoom does not know tonight, this night, that Yahshua the Messiah was back here with Moses. They just, they don't know that. Now, before we go any further we wanna start right now and let you find out about that. We're not gonna read no whole lotta scriptures about it the ones you ought to be sufficient. The 1Oth chapter of I Corinthians. Now that's where they went to, to let you know
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that Yahshua, that I'm talking about Ambassador College went to let you know that Yahshua the Messiah was back... Now they been reading it, all of these many years just like they have all the rest of the scriptures, and yet and still they had no knowledge of it. Alright read the 10th chapter, the first, begin with the first verse.
Dr. Harris: Moreover brethren
Dr. Kinley: Now there is some more on top of this: moreover. Now moreover is a conjunction. And that's something else we need to know something about too: that this Bible was not originally written in chapters and verses. And often times the subject and the predicate is divided by a chapter and a verse, as is the case where you're reading right here now. Now you have to probably go back up in the next chapter to find out what the, what precedes that that joins this thought to moreover brethren.
Dr. Harris: Moreover brethren I would not that you should be ignorant...
Dr. Kinley: Now, as Paul says, 1, I don't want you to be ignorant. Now look, let's face it, let's face it now. He said now, moreover brethren I would not that you should be ignorant. I was sitting in Springfield, Ohio. Dr. Hobbs called me on the phone. I was at one of the brethren's house there. And he said, 'have you got your channel so and so on the TV?' I said, 'yes, we got it here.' He said, 'Ted Garner Armstrong is teaching there and this is what he said. He said that his father did not know, many things even his father didn't know and neither did he.' For example, then he talked about the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians, I mean this 1Oth chapter of first Corinthians, that Yahshua the Messiah was back there with the Children of Israel, with Moses. Said he, they didn't know that. Now old man Armstrong, Herbert Armstrong claims to be the man that Yahweh sent or God has sent in the world in this last day to straighten the people out and to prepare them for the establishment and setting up of the Kingdom of Yahweh on earth. And he didn't know that. Now that's bad. Very bad. Now, and I don't want you to think now, that he's the only one in Christendoom that don't know, cause that would be a bad error. The rest of 'em don't know either. Now, read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Moreover brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant.
Dr. Kinley: Now, he said he didn't want them to be to be ignorant of that, that Yahshua the Messiah that later come through the loins of a woman, born of the woman, that He was back there with Moses. That's something to think about. And I'd like to tell you this while we're on that story. He was the one that informed Moses and the prophets that He would be through the loins of the woman. He was the one that informed them. That's where they got their information from. Now if you insist I'll read it. Alright read on Dr Harris.
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Dr. Harris: Moreover brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud
Dr. Kinley: Now, how all of our fathers were under the cloud. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: and all passed through the sea
Dr. Kinley: and all passed through the sea
Dr. Harris: and were all baptized unto Moses
Dr. Kinley: and were all baptized unto Moses
Dr. Harris: in the cloud and in the sea
Dr. Kinley: in the cloud and in the sea
Dr. Harris: and did all eat the same spiritual food
Dr. Kinley: and did all eat the same spiritual food
Dr. Harris: and did all drink the same spiritual drink
Dr. Kinley: and did all drink the same spiritual drink
Dr. Harris: for they drank of that spiritual Rock
Dr. Kinley: for they drank of that spiritual Rock
Dr. Harris: that went with them
Dr. Kinley: Now hold it right there. And look at your King James Version. I want it read.
David Rosen: And did all drink the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's stupid.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Just plum down right stupid. And what we might say, a direct contradiction, even for common sense. Now let me tell you what I'm talking about. Now when Yahshua the Messiah come along did He say to the disciples, 'let me follow you.'
Student Body: No. No.
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Dr. Kinley: It says there in the King James Version, that Rock that followed them. Now what do you think He'd look like going along behind them. He's the Savior of the world and He's going along following them. Now if you didn't know something about what it was all about you couldn't accept them errors and mistranslations in this Book. Alright now, for they all ate and drank of that rock, that went with them. Read on.
Dr. Harris: and that Rock was the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: Now, and that rock was Peter
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: 'Now why did you bring that up?' Just to show you how you been deceived all your life, stumbling and blundering around. Now the 16th chapter of Matthew and the 18th verse.
David Rosen: and I say also unto thee
Dr. Kinley: and I say also unto thee
David Rosen: that thou art Peter
Dr. Kinley: that thou art Peter
David Rosen: and upon this Rock
Dr. Kinley: and upon this Rock
David Rosen: I will build my church
Dr. Kinley: Now the Roman Catholic Church says that He was talking about He's gonna build His church on Peter. And they refer to that right there, just like it reads. They refer... Now it doesn't say anything about Him building His church on Peter there. You can read, can't you? Repeat what you just said. Let's get the sense out of it and see if it says that.
David Rosen: and I say also unto thee
Dr. Kinley: and I say also unto thee
David Rosen: that thou art Peter
Dr. Kinley: that thou art Peter
David Rosen: and upon this rock
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Dr. Kinley: and upon this Rock, not that rock, but upon this Rock. What Rock? That Rock that went with them back there. Now here's what I'm talking about. If He was back there and that's the congregation or the church back there, He can't build no church on Peter. How about that? But He can build one on Himself. How's that? And another thing He said there too. He said upon this Rock I'll build it. He didn't say somebody else would do it. Is that right? Now we got preachers running all around all over the world talking about building churches. And another thing too, while we're on that score, let's look at it from this, as it is now, let's look at it as it is. Now, the 17th chapter of the Act of Apostles says this: that Yahweh does not dwell in temples made by hands. And all of you know that the Roman Catholic Church, the Protestant churches, you know that as well as I do, they claim to have a building down on the corner somewhere, and it's called such and such a church: I John, I John, II John or Paul, the Epistle Episcopal Church, or the Church of Christ or the Church of God or the Church of Something. Ain't that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: They run around in this Book and pick up all these names out of the Book and then they put 'em out there and hang a shingle out. And they got the people coming in there telling them all kinds of lies. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. But now Yahweh just simply doesn't dwell in a building made by hands. Well now if He doesn't dwell in a building made by hands. Now here comes Jehovah's Witnesses. 'well, what does He dwell in?' Know ye not that your body. 6th chapter of 1 Corinthians and the 19th verse. Don't you know that your body is the temple. Read it David.
David Rosen: What! Know ye not
Dr. Kinley: What know ye not
David Rosen: that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost
Dr. Kinley: that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit
David Rosen: which is in you
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute. Now here's Jehovah's Witness running around talking about the Holy Spirit is not in any man. And He's not in no building and He's not in no man. Now where the hell is He? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now I said that that way so I could attract your attention to this. Yahweh's in hell and He's in heaven and He's in everything, everywhere. No where to escape from the, the presence of Yahweh. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: The whole universe in its totality is embodied in Yahweh and controlled with unerring accuracy and infallibility with universal spirit law. Now how do you like that? Now that's the way it is folks. Now pretty soon I'll tell you my reason for choosing this writing, by the epistle. I'll tell you my reason for it. Alright. Now did you read that?
David Rosen: I didn't finish it, Doc.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. Read.
David Rosen: What! Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost
Dr. Kinley: Now don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. Don't you know that? Paul's asking you a question. Don't you know that? Then if you know that then why would you let somebody tell you there's a building down the street there. Now I'm giving you what's in the Book. So, your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Read on.
David Rosen: which is in you
Dr. Kinley: which is in you. The Holy Spirit which is in you. They say it's not in you. Then you set up and read a Bible and you can't detect that. That's something else. And they're going around in the earth getting heaven and earth, thousands upon top of thousands of people just worry you to death, running in and out, knocking on your door, little old a piece of paper "Awake" and "Enlighten" and all those kinda things. Now the time is critical. It's very, very critical. And then as critical as it is, it would pay you to pay attention to what He says. Now I told you the other night that it was your indispensable duty to come to school. And then when you come to school, then you sit there and you try to learn. Now I'm on your side, I'm not against you, it's my job to tell you the truth. Now you might not like my way of presentation, I'll admit that I'm rude and rough about it. I don't like it, for your sake. They say... Listen fella, I do know what I'm talking about. I don't have to worry around about trying to prove my ministry. Ain't nobody on earth done any greater things than I've done. And I haven't done nothing, the Holy Spirit through this body... And nobody on earth, living or dead... You'll get a history here pretty soon. Dr. Gross and Dr. Harris have been writing a little something about it, and we got records to prove it. That the reason why I just come right on out and say what I wanna say, and people get offended and they go away and say, 'I'm going and I ain't coming back no more.' I ain't gonna compromise on your account. I'm gonna say what I wanna say. There ain't nothing you can do about it. And if you get up and go on out away from here and don't never come back, don't you think you're gone. You ain't gone. No indeed, indeed. This thing will meet you just as square in the judgement. Tell you the same thing. II Thessalonians 2:7. Now I wanna show you how the old man knows a little something about ____ ____ ____. What are you gonna do about it then? It won't be like this class we're holding here tonight. Alright.
Dr. Harris: And to you... II Thessalonians 1:7
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Dr. Kinley: II Thessalonians
Dr. Harris: 1:7
Dr. Kinley: 2:7
Dr. Harris: 1:7. II Thessalonians 1st chapter, 7th verse.
Dr. Kinley: II Thessalonians 1st chapter and the 7th verse
Dr. Harris: and to you who are troubled
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, you that's been having all of your problems right there in these churches. Don't know which way to go and all confused about it. See that now? To you who are troubled. What?
Dr. Harris: rest with us
Dr. Kinley: Have a seat. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Take a, take a seat. Let your temperature go down. That's what you'll have. You'll have a high temperature setting under me. It's warm in the collar, just a smoking for it cause I'm gonna say a thing that's gonna make you sore. So you just expect it. And you're gonna get mad about it too. I've had a.., some of my very best friends, some of them setting here looking me in the face now, have cursed me out. And I've received just as great a blessings as I have cursing from 'em. And they wouldn't be here tonight if they hadn't seen and understood things. And they're grateful for it. But I can't ____ nobody. And I'll tell you something else I wished you would do, and it'll help you if you do it. Get "Time" magazine, "Newsweek," "Life," magazine or "Readers' Digest," or some of those books and look at the religious page in it. Read it and you'll find out what's going on, it'll tell you about what' going on in the world. Now they're coming around to the name Yahweh. They all are coming around to the name Yahweh. As in the mean time, they have got embarrassed now, there's so many sects and cults, and all of 'em are saying that they are right. And then they're reading in the Bible about all of these divisions, and so, now what they're trying to do is to reunite some of 'em. Trying to get some of 'em united, so it won't look so bad. And then this fellow Sung Yong Moon (Sun Myung Moon?) just recently come over here. He says you're gonna have a second chance. I wouldn't take no chance on that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I wouldn't advise you. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: and to you who are troubled
Dr. Kinley: and to you who are troubled, you been having problems down here in your church with your pastor and all them different kinds of things. You who are troubled, rest with us.
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Dr. Harris: When Yahshua the Messiah shall be revealed from heaven
Dr. Kinley: When Yahshua the Messiah shall be revealed from heaven
Dr. Harris: With his mighty angels
Dr. Kinley: with his mighty angels
Dr. Harris: In flaming fire
Dr. Kinley: No. Um, um. No sir. You gonna have a second chance. Wonder why he can't read a Bible. With a flaming vengeance. Alright read on Doc.
Dr. Harris: in flaming fire taking vengeance on them
Dr. Kinley: taking vengeance on them
Dr. Harris: That know not Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Now do see why we have that first aim read in this school here. David, would you mind reading the first aim.
David Rosen: To help you find and know Yahweh as He really is and actually exists.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that now? Now that's what our promise is, is to help you find and to know Yahweh as He really is and as He actually exists. Now there's some more to that. Now you just can't run around and read scriptures around in the Bible and all and understand the Bible. Now that's just not the way to go about it. But people quoting scriptures and reading the Bibles, and they think that's sufficient. And they say, 'that man sure do have a good knowledge of the scriptures. He sure is a smart man. He's a ...' No, no that ain't gonna get it. What you have to do, listen, have to be able to put this purpose together. And Yahweh... You who are troubled rest with us. This is the apostle talking, and telling the.., back there in the early.., as they call it, Christian Era. That wrong. No such thing as a Christian Era. His name was not Christ, from whence the derivative Christian. Now when you learn that? Somebody said, 'well, I been doing this so long, I'm just gonna keep right on.' Well you just go right on to the lake. Listen folks. All you folks that are here tonight. This is your last night. If you're new here, and you're.., if this is your first time here. Now listen, pay attention what I'm saying. This is your last night that you can be saved in Jesus Christ.
Student Body: Alright. Alright
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Dr. Kinley: After tonight no more salvation. Won't help you. Believe it or not that's the way it is. Somebody said, 'well I ain't gonna buy that I'm gonna go along any how.' Yeah, go on to the lake. That's right. You better do some looking around. You who are troubled rest with us. ____ on.
Dr. Harris: when Yahshua the Messiah shall be revealed from heaven.
Dr. Kinley: when Yahshua the Messiah shall be revealed from heaven
Dr. Harris: with his mighty angels
Dr. Kinley: with his mighty angels
Dr. Harris: in flaming fire
Dr. Kinley: in flaming fire
Dr. Harris: taking vengeance on them
Dr. Kinley: taking vengeance on them
Dr. Harris: that know not Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: on them that know not Yahweh. Did you hear that? Now it's not going to be no comes in and begging you and say, 'why didn't you get right with Me and follow me and all that.' He's gonna take flaming vengeance on you. Your pastor and you too. The blind leading the blind. But that's what's gonna happen. Alright.
Dr. Harris: and they that obey not the glad tidings of our savior Yahshua the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: and they that obey not the glad tidings or the gospel of Yahshua the Messiah. Now you either obey or else you'll be lost. Now that's all there is to that. Now you should get that learned. You have to obey. Now there's some important things here. Now every time you come. We tell you about these names Yahweh, Elohim and Yahshua. And you should understand. We've made a little change in our aims there. We fixed it up a little better, it hasn't gone to press yet. It is: to help you find and to know Yahweh our Elohim. Now the reason why we say it that way is because Yahweh, Deuteronomy 6:4, Yahweh our Elohim is... Read it. Deuteronomy 6:4.
Dr. Harris: Hear, oh Israel
Dr. Kinley: Hear, oh Israel.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh
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Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Hear. Now you have to hear. You see what I'm talking about? Now somebody they wanna, 'I heard but I don't believe that stuff. I'm going on just the same what I been doing. All of my people died in that church over there and they all went to heaven.' I'd advise you to go back to the cemetery and look around and see. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. I'll assure you that that's where you'll find them in the graveyard, if it hasn't been molested since. And there's nobody broke through there either. Alright, finish Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Hear, oh Israel
Dr. Kinley: Hear, oh Israel
Dr. Harris: Yahweh our Elohim
Dr. Kinley: Now Yahweh our Elohim
Dr. Harris: is Yahweh a unity.
Dr. Kinley: is Yahweh a unity. Now listen, now. This is what this means. There's a Most Holy Place, a Holy Place and a Court Around About. It's just simple to say 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. That's all there is folks. One fellow made the expression, he said, 'now, look. Now I don't know about that.' Said 'that idiot sitting down there talking about 1, 2, 3.' He's sitting up here looking at me straight in the face right now. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) How you feel tonight Dr. Williams? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Yes, indeed. Now he come down to swab me around about water baptism, and all those kinda things. And he found out that.., and we had a agreement, I might as well tell you about it, with the Church of Christ. And they promised, he promised that if he defeated me as the dean of this school, why then we would go and take all of our folks and go join the Church of Christ. And if I did him a licking, why then he would come over here and bring all of their folks over here. That was the agreement, and we'd be over here together. How long ago has that been, Dr. Williams?
Lasalle Williams: 12 years.
Dr. Kinley: Twelve years. Well he's been over here twelve years, but the rest of them, they wouldn't come. And we had a debate with the others and we had one here not too long ago. Dr. Harris had a hold of him, Dean White, I believe it was. They were talking about water baptism. And we have told you many times, we've said many times that water baptism is not for the Gentiles as an ordinance from Yahweh. That's not in your Book. It's not in your Bible. You can't read it out of there. It's not in there. I know every passage there is in it, and so, I'm telling you now you can't read it out of there. If there's anybody in this building thinks they can, get up and read it. We don't want but just one verse. How's that? Okay.
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Now, we had tonight the 5th chapter of I Thessalonians read. And we wanna get back in it. 5th chapter of I Thessalonians. It speaks about the day of Yahweh coming as a thief in the night. We had a man come here and he's talking about, oh my lord, talking about the Day of the Lord coming in the night. The Day of the Lord coming in the night. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now wouldn't that be something. The Day of the Lord coming in the night. And he had a couple of brethren with him and he said, they said, why he knew more about the coming of the Day of the Lord than anybody that they'd ever seen. Now this is the Day of the Lord, shall come as a thief in the night. Now in that it speaks about when they say, 'peace and safety,' then shall come sudden destruction. First I wanna tell you something about what the Day of the Lord is, or the Day of Yahweh is. And there's been some awful blunders made about that: The Day of Yahweh. The Day of Yahweh is a day that doesn't have no start and no finish, no beginning and no end. It is eternity itself. Now listen folks. If I would go through this.., to dig down in to this like I ought to, I couldn't finish it tonight. I know that I can't. It's too long to give you a profound understanding of it. I just couldn't finish it tonight, but we will work on it some. It comes as a thief in the night. And then about.., when they say, 'peace and safety' and then comes sudden destruction. Now we have campaigns going all over, crusades going on all over the world. They call themself preaching the gospel to, to all the world the gospel of the Kingdom. And then the Jehovah's Witnesses and the majority of the Christian world, now pay attention to what I'm telling you now, because what I'm saying is deep in the spirit, and it'll almost have to be revealed to you, just words is inadequate and insufficient. First, get down in Genesis there, you got the creation. Now listen the creation itself did not take place in the realm of time, it took place in the realm of eternity. That Day. That Day has had no start and it hasn't had no end. That is the Day of Yahweh. That is the Day in which He shall judge the world in righteousness by that Man which He hath ordained. That is the Day. Now look in Genesis there, and listen, listen, pay attention now. I, I don't have time to run it all down, and he did do... In the first chapter of Genesis He did do the running down of those six days of the creation. Now, all of Christendoom, you can't find no books. You just can't find them, that's able to get into the realm of eternity, and bring this creation out so that you can understand it. Now that's where the error takes place. Now that Day has had no beginning, it has had no ending. Read about that Day, Doc.
Dr. Harris: 2nd chapter of Genesis, first verse.
Dr. Kinley: 2nd chapter of Genesis.
Dr. Harris: That's in the Holy Name Bible. Chapter 2 and verse 4, I believe it is in the King James Version. These are the origins of the heavens and the earth, when they were created.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. These are the origins. This is the origination of the heavens and the earth.
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Dr. Harris: when they were created
Dr. Kinley: when they were created
Dr. Harris: in the day
Dr. Kinley: In, Now "the" is an adjective, and it goes to a definite thing. Now look, read it again.
Dr. Harris: these are the origins
Dr. Kinley: these are the origins
Dr. Harris: of the heavens
Dr. Kinley: of the heavens
Dr. Harris: and of the earth
Dr. Kinley: and of the earth
Dr. Harris: when they were created
Dr. Kinley: when they were created
Dr. Harris: in the day
Dr. Kinley: Now you see all of it took place in that day.
Student Body: Okay.
Dr. Kinley: Wasn't no such ____. Now back there in the first chapter of Genesis, you have each day in logical sequence in telling you what happened on each day as we have got it up here. Now I just got through telling you that the creation did not take place in the realm of time, but it did take place in the Day. And that's what your Book says. That's why so many scientists can not agree with the Mosaic account of the creation. They can't figure it out. Now since they can't figure it out, why then you've got evolution and everything else ____ ____ ____ ____ back here, but then this Day or the realm of Eternity which means it's no time span there at all. It's eternity, it's not, it's not time. It's without time. It's eternal. It has no beginning, it has no ending. The creation took place within that. Now let me explain, let me show you. Now Moses is up here, you see the Mount Sinai, and you see Egypt here and you see all of this. Now Moses is up here, now then Moses is way down. And there wasn't anyone back there with Yahweh, so far as a created creature is concerned. There wasn't no heavens, there wasn't no earth. Eighth chapter of Proverbs and the 22nd verse. There was no heavens and there was no earth back there. There wasn't.., I can't say a time, but in the realm of Eternity there is no heaven and no earth in it, now listen, but the substance from
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which it was made up of was there.
Student Body: Alright. Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Now what was that? That was spirit. Read. Now I wanna let you know what I'm driving at so you won't get lost. I'm trying to tell you about the Day of Yahweh coming as a thief in the night. Now that's what I'm trying.., what you call Judgement Day. Now that's what.., it isn't that, it ain't that way. You're already in the Judgement, and that's been going for the longest... Now if you want me to read it, I will read that for you. But now you pay attention, you pay attention. This is hard work up here if you're doing what I'm trying to do. And I wouldn't know a thing about it, if Yahweh hadn't revealed it to me, there ain't nobody never had sense enough to tell you about it. Your carnal mind just don't penetrate a spiritual realm like that, and this is what make it so great. That's alright, read.
Dr. Harris: Proverbs 8:22.
Dr. Kinley: Proverbs 8:22.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh possessed me
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh possessed me
Dr. Harris: in the beginning of his way
Dr. Kinley: Hold it right there. John 1:1, and then we'll be right back.
Fred Allen, Jr.: You getting ready to go for it.
Dr. Kinley: Yeah, I'm getting ready to go for it. Yes indeed. Now remember we wanna find out, as Yahweh has appointed a day, that's in the Acts of Apostles, when He shall judge the world by that Man whom He hath ordained and in the mean time, you read about Him coming as a thief in the night. The Day of the Lord or the Day of Yahweh. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now we're trying to tell you something about what, what that is. And then when they say, 'peace and safety,' then comes sudden destruction. Now to try and clarify all of that. Alright.
Dr. Harris: John 1:1.
Dr. Kinley: John 1:1.
Dr. Harris: In the beginning was the Word.
Dr. Kinley: Now in the beginning was the Word.
Dr. Harris: and the Word was with Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: and the Word was with Yahweh
Dr. Harris: and the Word was Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: and the Word was Yahweh
Dr. Harris: the same was in the beginning with Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: the same was in the beginning with Yahweh
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Dr. Harris: all things were made by him
Dr. Kinley: Just hold that right there, Doc, just for a second, just for a second. Now look. Do you recall, or have you forgotten that I told you that Ambassador College didn't know and they read the 1Oth chapter of 1st Corinthians. And I also told you that it was Yahshua the Messiah Himself that told Moses that He was coming through the loins of the woman. Now I'm telling you that He was back there. You follow me now? What we're talking about is the Day of Yahweh and we're talking about it sneaking upon you as a thief in the night. Now we're not talking about the night coming. We're talking about the Day coming as a thief in the night. Now a thief he doesn't go around knock on your door and say, 'well, I'll be in at 12 o'clock tonight,' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) so you can have the police and everybody around there looking for him. He ain't gonna do nothing like that. ____ Does he?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: So now you see. Now, this Day of Yahweh will come as a thief in the night. Now He was in the beginning. Now in the beginning was what?
Dr. Harris: was the Word
Dr. Kinley: and the word was with Yahweh, in the beginning now. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now skip on down to the 14th verse of the 1st chapter of John.
Dr. Harris: and the Word was made flesh
Dr. Kinley: Now don't you see? And the word was made flesh. Alright.
Dr. Harris: and dwelt among us
Dr. Kinley: and dwelt among us
Dr. Harris: and we beheld his glory
Dr. Kinley: and we beheld his glory
Dr. Harris: the glory of the only begotten of the father
Dr. Kinley: the glory of the only begotten of the father
Dr. Harris: full of grace and truth
Dr. Kinley: full of grace and truth. He said, 'I proceeded and come forth from the Father and I am going back to the Father.' He didn't say if the devil didn't hinder Him. Now I could.., I don't have the time, but I could, Dr. Harris, we'll tie this verse up, tie it up real good. Are you all with me so far?
Student Body: Yes.
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Dr. Kinley: Now we got, now I wanna tell you what we got. We got this word, they calling Jesus Christ, who is Yahshua,
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Dr. Kinley: and Elohim too, and Yahweh, all back here together in the realm of eternity as one, as a unity.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's what we got. Where the average person they just see Jesus as born of the virgin Mary, and that's where they think He started in at. That's wrong. It's just as wrong as it can be. Now Colossians 1:15,14 and 15. Now look folks, pay attention, pay attention. I said many times on this floor there is no such thing as Before Christ. Course I'm conscious of the fact, that the people who are calling Jesus Christ, His real name is Yahshua, but there is no such thing as BC.
Student Body: Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: The Jews, they don't use no BC. They use AM. No, that doesn't mean in the morning. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) It means in the year of the world. And that with them is about 5736 or 37. Right, David?
David Rosen: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Are we done with that up there on the board? You got that? You might have to try to there and figure it a little bit over there. Now we're really into something tonight. And what we're talking about is the Day of Yahweh coming as a thief in the night. And we're talking about Him judging the world by that Man whom He has ordained. Now you have already learned from 1st Thessalonians there. That He's not gonna come back and beg these folks to repent, but when He shows up He's gonna take flaming vengeance on them that don't know Yahweh. Now that means this Freddy, that if your pastor don't know, you better move.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: It's dark and ugly. Try to learn something. Alright, now. Read.
Edward Mason: 1:15. Who is the image of the invisible
Dr. Kinley: What he's talking about here... in the 13th verse. Is that where the subject begins? What he's talking about here is Yahshua.
Edward Mason: Colossians 1:14.
Dr. Kinley: Let's take the 14th verse.
Edward Mixon: In whom we have redemption through his blood
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Dr. Kinley: Now, in whom we have redemption through His blood. That's Yahshua the Messiah. We have redemption through His blood. Alright.
Edward Mixon: even the forgiveness of sin
Dr. Kinley: even the forgiveness of sin. Now listen, now this is what we're talking about now. We are telling you now that there's no such thing as before Him. Now that's what were telling you now. Alright, read on.
Edward Mixon: who is the image of the invisible El
Dr. Kinley: who is the image. Now just a minute. You all gonna to have to do something here. Gonna have to go back where you got the verse above.
Edward Mixon: 14th verse?
Dr. Kinley: Yes.
Edward Mixon: In whom we have redemption through his blood
Dr. Kinley: Now that's the flesh, the blood is in the flesh. In whom we have redemption in His blood, that means in His flesh that the blood was in there. And that means that here, just as they offered up these sacrifices.., to.., in His blood, Yahshua the Messiah, we have redemption or restoration in His blood. Now that gets Him in a physical body, that's what I'm talking about. Alright read on.
Edward Mixon: who is the image of the invisible El.
Dr. Kinley: now He is the image of the invisible El. Now we got Him in the spirit.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: He's the image. In the flesh He's the image of the invisible El; meaning this or the invisible Man. Yes. Read on.
Edward Mixon: the first cause of all creation
Dr. Kinley: Now that's the first cause of all creation. Now if He's the first cause of all creation then you cannot go beyond Him; therefore, you cannot have no such thing as before Him. How about that? Yes indeed. I'm after, if I can, the Day of Eternity now. And we wanna show you, we want you to see, we want you to understand what we're talking about. We don't want you in the dark at all. I'll have to hasten on. He's the first cause of all creation. Now listen somebody said this, 'well, He never made the devil.' Said He was the first cause of all creation. Now the devil didn't create itself.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: How about that? Alright let's find out about it. Read on.
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Dr. Harris: for by him were all things created
Dr. Kinley: for by him were all things created
Dr. Harris: that are in heaven
Dr. Kinley: Now, that are in heaven. Now listen the devil was once in heaven, and he was cast out. Is that right?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. Read on.
Dr. Harris: and that are in earth
Dr. Kinley: and that are in earth. So it don't make no difference whether in heaven or in earth. Everything that exists it was created by Him. See that? Now you're really on back there now. That's right. Alright. Read on.
Dr. Harris: visible and invisible
Dr. Kinley: Now visible and invisible. Yahweh is invisible. Visible and invisible. The angels are invisible. We just told you that He that was manifested in the flesh, that was Yahweh that was manifested in that physical body. That was Yahweh Elohim that was manifested in that physical body; in other words they wouldn't know a elohim beside Him. How about that? Oh my goodness. You know that's wonderful when you get down to it like that. Ain't it? When you can get Him as an invisible spirit creature, without any descriptive, listen folks, without any descriptive shape and form, being the essence and the substance, the limits and the bounds. It means you can't get outside, you can't go around and you can't come under. He's the limits and the bounds. He's the source and the substance, the limits and the bounds. You oughta know Him there now. You tell me, so I can go to school, you know any preacher or anybody on earth that's preaching in the.., then as what we're talking about here now. And I want to go to their church.
Student Body: Nowhere. Nowhere. Nowhere.
Dr. Kinley: I want to join up with 'em. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: visible and invisible
Dr. Kinley: visible and invisible
Dr. Harris: whether they be thrones
Dr. Kinley: Don't make no difference whether they be thrones
Dr. Harris: or dominions
Dr. Kinley: or dominions
Dr. Harris: or principalities
Dr. Kinley: Now, He gave Adam dominion. And then in heaven they had a
dominion there. Don't make no difference, whether they be thrones or dominions. Alright read on.
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Dr. Harris: or powers
Dr. Kinley: or powers. Don't make no difference. There is no power above or of Yahweh. None what so ever. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: all things were created by him
Dr. Kinley: all things. All things, not some things, but all things were created by Him.
Dr. Harris: and for him
Dr. Kinley: and for him
Dr. Harris: and He is before all things
Dr. Kinley: Now don't you see why I said there is nothing was before Him. And you running around talking about before Christ, meaning, not realizing that the name is Yahshua the Messiah and accepting Jesus Christ. There's no such thing as before Him. I'm not saying now, that Jesus Christ is the right name, but in your King James version you got Jesus Christ. There isn't no such thing as before Him. So everybody say that. I told you, listen here folks, I told you, oh, I hate to say that, but I will say it folks, I told you so many things that nobody else in the world has told you. You might as well face it. That's no lie. If you think, you, you, if you look in your version, in your King James Version of the Book. They got a little reference Bible. Look at the top of the page and you'll find BC 4004. Ain't no such thing as that. Now how about that? Before Him. He just said wasn't nothing before Him. Didn't he?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now somebody, they used to have the habit of going out, running out of here and saying, 'that man said.' No, that's the Book said that. No such thing as before Him, all things were created by Him and for Him, and without Him there wasn't nothing made that was made. Is that almost right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that what you got there. Alright go back to Proverbs 8:22.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh possessed me
Dr. Kinley: Now Yahweh possessed me. Now listen folks, you good Baptist, Methodist. Yahweh possessed Him, He was in the bosom of the Father, immersed in the bosom of the Father. Yahweh possessed me. Yahweh is plural, and yet He is one. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that, is that right?
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Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now I mean this, this is what I meant by that. This is the masculine part and this is the feminine part; in other words this is the Father and the Mother, or the masculine and the feminine. Somebody said, 'now you know I don't believe that stuff.' Another thing, listen here, you can't get that out of this. You can't get that out of this either. There never has been and never will be any masculine creature on this earth plane without a mother and a father. You say, 'hold it, hold it, you forgot about Melchizedek.' No I didn't. He had a mother and a father. Well somebody said, 'well, who was his mother and his father.' I could just stand here and say old man Melchizedek. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) How about that? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) No. But Moses didn't write the pedigree and genealogies of him. Why? Because Yahshua and Yahweh Elohim was without any beginning or any end. Alright. Now, are you with me thus far? We're talking about the Day. Alright. Read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his way
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his way
Dr. Harris: before his works of old
Dr. Kinley: Now, before his works of old. Alright.
Dr. Harris: I was set up from everlasting
Dr. Kinley: I was set up from everlasting
Dr. Harris: from the beginning
Dr. Kinley: from the very beginning
Dr. Harris: or ever the earth was.
Dr. Kinley: Now that was before the earth was. Say, I'm reading out of the Bible. Am I not? Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: When there were no depths
Dr. Kinley: When there was no such thing as the depths. Now you're back in the realm of eternity. That's what I'm, that's what my aim is now in going back here. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: When there was no depths
Dr. Kinley: When there was no such thing as the depth. Now you're back in the realm of eternity. That's what my aim is now in going back here. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: when there was no depth. I was brought forth.
Dr. Kinley: when there was no depth I was brought forth. What do you mean? When there was no depths, I was brought forth. Now listen folks, pay attention now, pay attention. Now Yahweh being the Father, which is symbolized by this cloud as spirit. The cloud is symbolical of the Father and Yahweh is spirit. Now listen. Now then, Yahweh possessed Him in the beginning of His purpose. I'll make that word ____ ____ ____ in the beginning of His way, the beginning of His
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purpose. How about that? Is that alright? Alright, alright. Now, now what else?
Dr. Harris: when there were no fountains abounding with water
Dr.Kinley: Now when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Dr. Harris: before the mountains were settled
Dr.Kinley: I want before He was brought forth
Dr. Harris: when there were no depths I was brought forth
Dr.Kinley: I was brought forth. Now look, that's where we get such thing as when
we say you. Pay attention now. He's taking on a shape and form. Now that's where we get it from. Now when that took place, it didn't take all of the cloud here to make up just this. It didn't take all that to make it up. Before there was any creation or anything brought forth, when there was no depths and when there wasn't anything, Yahweh possessed Him in the beginning of His purpose. And then He took on a shape and a form, or an image. Now listen. We tell you right there Yahweh went out of business. And His ____ got with Him, this is Yahweh in shape and form, that's Elohim. It's a title for Him in shape and form. And then, then, He begins to create. Now look, we're in the realm of eternity now, not in time. You don't have no sun and no moon. You don't have no earth. You don't have none of that. Oh my goodness. That's all that was back there. Wasn't no angels either. There wasn't no nothing, except Yahweh all by Himself. (Dr. KINLEY LAUGHS) How about that? Oh my goodness, that's, that's Yahweh Himself just took on a shape and form. That's Yahweh in shape and form, that's incorporeal. Then He steps on down and He takes on another shape and form. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS AND CLAPS) ____ ____ ____ ____ Did you hear me? Somebody said, 'I don't believe it.' ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Yes sir, rolled the stone away. 'Lazarus, come on out of there.' He come forth. How about that? Oh, I tell you. Um, um, um. I tell you. You're in there now. Then shaped, what you just read over there in Colossians that all things were created by Him, after He takes on this shape and this form. So that's Yahweh Elohim in shape and form. Then He creates, now listen, He creates everything in the realm of eternity. Now listen, pay attention, cause this is hard. Now the sun and the moon and the stars, they were placed in there as Yahweh's official time keepers. So this back here, it was before the beginning of time. Then you'll have to be in the realm of eternity. Then somebody comes up with this, and it should be explained, but the average preacher can't explain it. Now I just got through telling you that Yahweh created, not in the realm of time. There wasn't no days in it, just the One Day. I had Dr. Harris to read it. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Then... Somebody will turn over to the 20th chapter of Exodus and say remember the sabbath day to keep it holy, for in six days God created the heavens and the earth. Now what you got to say about that Mr. Smart Alek? Now how about that? Now I say He created it in One Day or in the realm of eternity. And listen here folks, let me get this over to you, you still yet abide in That Day and you're never gonna get out of it, never been out. Now that's The Day of Yahweh.
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Alright. Now, we have these six days here, but before we do, we'll finish that up Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Before the mountains were settled
Dr. Kinley: before the mountains. Now he's telling you before the mountains. ____ ____ ____ out here. Before the mountains was settled.
Dr. Harris: before the hills was I brought forth
Dr. Kinley: before the hills He was brought forth
Dr. Harris: while as yet He had not made the earth
Dr. Kinley: while as yet He had not made the earth
Dr. Harris: nor the fields
Dr. Kinley: nor the fields
Dr. Harris: nor the highest part of the dust of the world
Dr. Kinley: nor the highest part of the dust of the earth
Dr. Harris: when He prepared the heavens
Dr. Kinley: when He prepared the heavens
Dr. Harris: I was there
Dr. Kinley: I was there
Dr. Harris: when He set a compass upon the face of the depth
Dr. Kinley: when He set a compass upon the face of the depth
Dr. Harris: when He established the cloud above
Dr. Kinley: when He established the clouds above
Dr. Harris: when He strengthen the fountains of the deep
Dr. Kinley: when He strengthen or established the fountains of the deep
Dr. Harris: when He gave to the sea his decree
Dr. Kinley: when He gave to the sea his decree
Dr. Harris: that the waters should not pass his commandment
Dr. Kinley: that the waters should not go no further or pass his commandment
Dr. Harris: when He had appointed the foundations of the earth
Dr. Kinley: when He appointed the foundations of the earth
Dr. Harris: then I was by him
Dr. Kinley: then I was by him. Watch out now.
Dr. Harris: as one brought up with him
Dr. Kinley: as one, took on that image, as one brought up with Him. How about that? All the same substance, the same incorporeal spirit, as one brought up with Him or with the Father. How about that? Oh boy. Do you see what, what I'm talking about? Folks there's something to this. Alright.
Dr. Harris: and I was daily his delight
Dr. Kinley: and I was daily his delight. Read on.
Dr. Harris: rejoicing always before him
Dr. Kinley: Alright that's enough now. Now look. The 20th chapter of Exodus. Now, we said we wanna tell you something about that. Now, Moses. Get Genesis. I need to go over here first, and come into this. Now this is from Adam
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or the creation and Adam, as shown on that chart over there and then down to the flood. This is the, this is the end of a world. This is the beginning of an age. This is the end of one. Now I should tell you this. Now I should tell you this. Now, the end of.., that's, that's why we should talk about it. Now we've read all about here and He created everything, visible and invisible, whether there be thrones or what not. And they were taken.., created in the realm of eternity. Now that, this is showing you the beginning. This is showing you the realm of eternity. Now listen, the angels had this back in here. See that span. The invisible span, you can't tell a thing about it, because it's in the realm of eternity. You follow now? Now then when He created the heavens and the earth. And that's what the man in the Garden of Eden is from there down to this. That's another age, and the physical creation is already taken place. Now then over here in this age, this is after the Noahic flood. This is after Adam's driven out of the Garden of Eden. This is after the flood. Now then you're over into another age. Now listen, this is under the dispensations of the law where He spoke to the Jews and called them up in the mountain. This is up here. Abraham. This is Abraham, and Moses was here, or the Mosaic Law and the Melchizedek, the Abrahamic promise. Then you come on down to the crucifixion. And then that brings us up to where the Messiah was crucified, that's the end of that age; in other words each one of these was the end of a world or the end of an age. And now then, over here is where we are now. But now what I wanna talk about for a minute or two is this: I wanna get Him, in this right here, and take you back up here and show you the six days of this creation that Moses talked about. Remember the Sabbath day in the 20th chapter of Exodus. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. For in six days Yahweh Elohim created the heavens and the earth. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that what you got there?
Dr. Harris: Right. Exodus 20:11.
Dr. Kinley: Exodus 20:11. For in six days.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh made heaven and the earth, the sea and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.
Dr. Kinley: and rested the seventh day. Now. You understand me now? Turn your Bible to the 24th chapter of Exodus and the 16th verse. Now I'm showing you how your Bible is put together now. I oughta cut out here somewhere, in case you have a question, but I should say this too, but I bit off more than I'm able to chew. I told you all I wasn't able to finish. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: and the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mount Sinai and the cloud covered it six days.
Dr. Kinley: Now Dr. Harris, you got to hold. Now Freddy, you'll have to go back into the first chapter of Genesis. And the cloud covered it six days. And on the
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seventh day He called unto Moses out the midst of the cloud. Now is that what you got? Now in Genesis. Repeat that Doc, somebody, whoever's got the Bible.
Edward Mixon: 24:16. And the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mount Sinai. And the cloud covered it six days.
Dr. Kinley: Read on.
Edward Mixon: and the seventh day He called
Dr. Kinley: Hold it, I want the seventh day. Now that's what I want you to pay attention to is the seventh day. He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. Now go back to Genesis and get that seventh day.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Genesis 2. Genesis 2:33. Genesis 1:33.
Dr. Kinley: Genesis. And he told you 1:33. What are you reading out of the Holy Name Bible.
Fred Allen, Jr.: In the Holy Name and in the King James it's 2:2.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. The King James is 2:2.
Fred Allen, Jr.: and on the seventh day Elohim ended his work which he had made.
Dr. Kinley: and on the seventh day He ended His work. Now look. Coming on down to the first chapter of Genesis. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters and God said let there be light and there was light. The evening and the morning were the first day. And then He goes on down into the second day, the third day, and the fourth day, as we have illustrated up here. Is that right? Now what we're talking about, we're talking about the creation taking place in the realm of eternity. Now that's what we're talking about. And we're talking about Moses being up here in Mount Sinai in the Post Diluvian Age, right here. And then up in Mount Sinai and having a vision, and Yahweh is showing him the creation of the heaven and earth and He's taken six days to show it to him, as the sun rose and set six days. And He said there remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. That's in the Exodus. For in six days He created the heavens and the earth. Now listen, remember the sabbath. Now here's the Seven Day Adventist. The Seven Day Adventist said they knew, way back as far as Genesis, that Adam, Adam knew nothing about no seventh day, that He didn't know a thing about it. He didn't say nothing to him about it. Why not? Because when He put him in the garden, He told him what to do. He told him to keep the trees straight, to dress the garden. Is that right? He didn't tell him nothing about no resting no sabbath day. Did he?
Student Body: No.
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Dr. Kinley: Never said a thing about it. Now, listen now, the garden was in fruition. There wasn't no dead limbs or nothing, so he didn't need to do no dressing, so then he just sit down and rested. He didn't have nothing to do.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: He was in rest, that's what I'm trying to talk about, or He was in the sabbath. Oh my goodness. And Paul just told you, what you just read. You who are troubled rest with us. What are you saying that for Paul? Because Yahshua the Messiah, He said, I'll work a work in your day... He's done all the work, and now you set down and rest. Oh my goodness. I tell you. You who are troubled. What was His work? Fulfilling the law moving it out of the way. It was only given to the Jews, not the Gentiles, when He said there, I'll work a work in your day that you shall not believe though a man declare it unto you. Oh I'm telling you. They got you all upset or troubled. Got you washing and sacrificing, and eating the Lord's Supper, and drinking grape juice, and fooling around here in the water, going in swimming, and a lotta foolishness. It's just stupidity and ignorance. And you notice this, Yahweh told that man Adam touch the fruit of that tree. And the devil comes along and says this, 'you ____ eat and drink.' You're not supposed to touch them sacrifices, you're not supposed to eat no Lord Supper. Said, taste not, handle not, for with all are perish... Is that right?
Student Body: Right. Right
Dr. Kinley: You wasn't invited to the first party and you was never asked to either one of them. Talking about the Lord's supper. As I told you, I already done told you this, maybe you done forgotten it but I will repeat it. You read me one verse out of the Bible where Yahweh, Lord, or God or Jesus Christ ever said anything in the history of the world from back to back in the Bible, about a Gentile getting baptized in physical, in the water, and I'll eat your Book. I mean right now. And I had a pretty good supper too. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) But I'll eat her up. It just ain't in there. He hasn't given no ordinance like that. Alright, now. Them six days. Remember the Sabbath, Sabbath to keep it holy and the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. Is that right? On the seventh day He called him. Now that seventh day is what I'm telling you now, that seventh day that your reading over here in Genesis. Read.
Fred Allen, Jr.: and on the seventh Elohim ended His work, which He had made and He rested on the seventh day.
Dr. Kinley: and He rested on the seventh day back in Genesis. Now this is the same seventh day right here that He's calling Moses out of the midst of the cloud. And this colon here mean this. That there's something left out of here. Now the vision that Moses had during these six days, solar days, the vision that he had, while he's up there in the mount way after the creation had taken place. He's in the realm of eternity and Yahweh has given him a rerun or a repeat, or he's seeing in a vision. Now let me say this while I'm at it. Now, Yahweh narrated this, when He's talking, Moses is seeing that. He said, let there be light. Let the waters
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beneath divide from the waters above and let the dry land appear, let thus and so. He's narrating each one of them days, but when the real creation took place He didn't say nothing. 'What are you talking about now, Mr. Dummy?' I'm just gonna be what I will to be. And I'm not saying nothing about it either, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) How about that? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) How about that? When He showed during Moses the vision and ____ ____ ____ He's narrating it. Now the Seven Day Adventist think that because that's back there, written back there, they think that Adam knew about the seventh day, the sabbath day, but now that's the only place you'll find it back there. Now, but now, what is taking place, remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. Now here's where the sabbath day comes in at. When Israel come up out of Egypt through the Red Sea and went out into the wilderness. Now listen now. This is the first sabbath I'm talking about now, that Adam knew nothing about. Not a thing was known about it right down in this age. Abraham. Isaac and Jacob. They didn't know nothing about it. First time it was mentioned or any hint of it was right here, this is a hint, when Noah was in the ark, He said rest those seven days, but He didn't say anything about no sabbath. But now then that's a hint. But now here's where the sabbath comes up and showing him about the sabbath, in the gathering of manna, that was their food supply, when they were out there in the wilderness. And Yahweh gave them manna from heaven. And He said, 'now you can gather it six days but on the seventh day which is the sabbath you won't gather none... That was the sabbath. And He told Moses to tell Israel, to remember, that's what He's saying there, remember about that sabbath back here. That's the first mention of a sabbath. That's the reason why He said, just before He gives him the commandment, that is before He spoke from Mount Sinai, ____ ____ ____ ____ the manna. And then when He speaks from the top of the mountain, He said, remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. Now, Revelations 10:4. Now this wouldn't be no good without, we got to nail the whole thing right together. Ain't that right?
Dr. Harris: and when the seven thunders had uttered their voices
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen. Now, listen. And when Yahweh said, let there be light. Moses is in the cloud, and you know lightning and thundering is in the cloud. How about that? Of course I know you know all that.
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Dr. Kinley: I went on to work ____ ____. When I come to Los Angeles, I heard a Voice from Heaven saying. And I'm telling you. And folks, I really heard that. I ain't lying to you. I heard that Voice from Heaven. Alright. I heard a Voice from Heaven.
Dr. Harris: seal up those things that the seven thunders uttered
Dr. Kinley: seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered
Dr. Harris: and write them not
Dr. Kinley: and write them not. Now why not? (READER STARTS TO SPEAK) It's already written. Write it not. You just read about it. Go back now to the 1Oth
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chapter and about the 4th verse. Now what I'm after now. We're always talking about every jot and every tittle. Now we want to get to you back in Genesis.
Dr. Harris: and when the seven thunders had uttered their voices and I was about to write.
Dr. Kinley: and when the seven thunders. Colon. I was about to write. Now if we get right here. That puts me.., what took place here, that's over in the first part of the genesis. Moses wrote it over there. Now listen folks, that's the reason why. Now pay attention, I wouldn't miss this one for nothing. I wouldn't miss this one for nothing. You gotta go back and do this. You're gonna have to go to the 24th chapter of Exodus and the 16th verse. Now I want you to pay attention to what I'm gonna say. Then go to the 1st chapter of Genesis. Real quick please.
Dr. Harris: and the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mount Sinai
Dr. Kinley: um. Hmm.
Dr. Harris: and the cloud covered it six days
Dr. Kinley: and the cloud covered it six days
Dr. Harris: in the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth
Dr. Kinley: in the beginning. Now this is what I want to show you now. This is why, you just.., people think they can just take the Bible and study it from Genesis on to Revelations. You can't do that and get no understanding out of it. Now here's the reason why: over there in Exodus where He was talking about, the cloud covered it six days. And you got the vision after that, you got it wrote down over here in the first part of Genesis, but now when you start over in the first part of Genesis you ain't got no cloud at all. You ain't got no cloud covered. You ain't got no cloud there at all. Now you see why you can't start over there? You got to have a head. Here's your cloud up here and if you ain't got no head, then you ain't got nothing. Let me tell you this. In the formation of a child in his mother's womb, the head is formed first, from whence the rest of the body emanate or grows out from. is that right?
Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: You see that now. But this cloud disappeared because it represent Yahweh. Since it represents Yahweh. Now when you go back over here, you have got Yahweh just took on a shape and form. It said in the beginning God or Elohim. And you don't have no cloud at all, there at all, so you can't do nothing with it. Now do you understand? Now that seventh day that's in Genesis in the second chapter there, I thinks it is in the King James Version of Genesis there, where it says that seventh day, is the same seventh day that's in the 26th chapter of Exodus here, 24th chapter and the 16th verse. That's the same sabbath day. Now look folks and listen, now if you didn't know what I have been talking to you about, you couldn't prove that Moses ever did exist. You couldn't prove the divine authenticity. There's nothing you can do with it. And you can't get up in the realm of eternity like that. You can't create that, the heavens and the earth, you don't know nothing about no sabbath day.
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Dr. Kinley: You follow now? Now listen, in the 17th chapter of Acts of Apostles, and get that day that He's appointed, (THE BELL RINGS). The bell. I told you I wasn't gonna be able to finish this. Yahweh has appointed a day wherein He shall judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained. What is it, 17:31? Acts 17:31.
Reader: Because he hath appointed a day in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom He hath ordained, whereof He hath given proof unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead
Dr. Kinley: That's right, Now look folks, in conclusion, you've heard that. Now we were talking about, here the lessons that Dr. ____, Dr. ____ ____ about, when they say peace and safety, then comes sudden destruction. And the Day of Yahweh will come as a thief in the night. Is that right?
Student Body. Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's, now that is what we have been talking about. Now I tried to show you now where you that we have been in the realm of eternity all along. And yet, so the official time keeper, the sun and the moon have been rising and setting. And then supposed to be, years and so forth and so on, and the days and the months and years. But they were created in the realm of eternity; and while Moses is up here in the cloud, after the flood too, that's way down too. And then he is seeing this vision and seeing how that Yahweh created it. John on the Isle on Patmos out here, he's looking back and showing you that he was in the realm of eternity, John said, he didn't see no night there. And if you go down to the first chapter of Genesis; this is what you find. You find that, that this thing, that day, and the next day, and the next day, the next day and the next day, and so forth and so on. It just continues to go on that way. You don't have no end till you get down to the other... So he said it was in the realm of eternity and not in the realm of time. Now I hope and trust that you have gotten something out of it, out of this lecture ____ ____. But now it will come as a thief in the night. And when you think everything is all right: peace and safety. Now the reason why I brought that up is on account of Israel over there, and the threat of war that's going on over there now. I wanna tell you this, judgement day there has actually started back here. The judgement has begun back here, on the Day of Pentecost. Right here I think it was, the Day of Pentecost. But now then, ____ ____ ____ back here. And Titus come up to Jerusalem and destroyed the temple and the city, ____ ____. And then, now He told them in the 24th chapter of Matthew, I couldn't miss this, to pray that your flight be not in the winter or upon the sabbath day, because He knew that those Jews.., well they didn't accept where the Messiah.., as the real Messiah. They would just ____. And then they would be killed. And then He also told 'em that the women to pray that they be not with child at that time because of the hardships and all. And they would be worried and so forth and so on. Now.., because he knew that they was gonna ____ Him. ____ ____ keeping the Sabbath Day, not seeing that Yahshua the Messiah had moved it out. And they
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were gonna sit there and fester. And that's just exactly what happened.
Now here we are back up in the same thing right now. And here, over here now, Sadat has given Israel 90 days to get out the Sinai peninsula and also the Golan Heights. If they didn't, why then there would be all out war. Now, I said this: now if Yahweh didn't intervene... There is only not quite 15 million Jews in all the earth now. We got the statistics at home. Let 'em read 'em up there, Now about.., it's not only about 300,000 in Israel now. There was about 3 million there but since this last war there's been so many of 'em killed. And so now this whole Arab... Do you remember how many Arabs there was there, the Arabs.., the United Arab Republic. It's up in the millions. Now they have Atomic bombs and what not, already to pounce down on Israel there, which means now, that Yahweh is just about to intervene. Now Kissinger has been over there. And he's, they're trying to negotiate some permanent peace treaty. And Israel is willing now to give them the Sinai peninsula. So now they are working with him. He's given 'em 90 days to, from the time backup, which will come up to, I wouldn't miss this one for nothing, which will come up to the passover. This year, April the 15th. The 14th is the Passover. And come up to that. Now every time on the Sabbath day, that's what Messiah told 'em. Every time that the, the Six Day War broke out or right at the time when Israel wouldn't move and set down there and wouldn't do nothing. So that, that's what happened. Every time they wait now. They got wise enough to wait. And now, no Israel's not gonna try to defend theirself. At least that's what they think. Because of those holy days, they wouldn't do anything. So then they try to set it for that particular time and pounce down on 'em. But Israel did in this last time, she jumped on 'em before they could get off the ground. She left 'em stranded in the Six Day War of June the sixth, 1967.
Now another thing too. Now the last war we were other there and we told them that they wasn't gonna win. We told 'em, Israel wasn't gonna win, neither was the Egyptians gonna win. But now they are bit and bound to go against and run Israel into the sea; and Yahweh said that will never happen. Or to annihilate Israel. Now there's something else about that Israel business that I ought to tell you people. Don't think it's them people over yonder. That's the wrong folk. And there's just 14 there, nearly 15 million Jews in the world. There are far more... I'm a Jew myself. And everybody that has the Holy Spirit in 'em is not a Jew outwardly but is a Jew inwardly. And as.., look, as the sand of your sea and as the stars of heaven. So there ain't no way in the world for you to annihilate 'em. So I hope you got something out of it. I don't want to carry on and keep you any further, but I don't have the time and the bell has rung and I know you wanna go home. We don't wanna wear your patience out.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
recorded by Dr. Carl F. Gross
1 90 audio cassette
Catalog#: 74 TV
transcribed by Beth Green
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Geraldine Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Dr. Kinley: ... are the name. Hasn't been too long ago since we put these books out that the Ambassador College done learned that Yahshua was back here with the Israelites. You can't ____ for preaching a long drawn out sermon on that. They just found out that He was back there. Say listen folks, Yahweh's been that all the way through, He ain't never been absent. Alright. Read on.
Reader: For this cause I bow my knees.
Dr. Kinley: Now for this cause, Paul said he bows his knees, for this cause he bowed his knee, and you're gonna have to bow too. Believe it or not. Read on.
Reader: I bow my knees unto the father of our Savior.
Dr. Kinley: I bow my knees to the father of our Savior.
Reader: Yahshua the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua the Messiah.
Reader: Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth.
Dr. Kinley: I want you to get that straight, the whole family in heaven and in earth. It's not called Roman Catholic. They're not called Protestants, they're not called Methodists, they're not called Baptists. Alright, read.
Reader: That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory.
Dr. Kinley: That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory. Read
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on.
Reader: To be strengthened with might.
Dr. Kinley: And it was strengthened with might.
Reader: By his spirit.
Dr. Kinley: By his spirit.
Reader: In the inner man.
Dr. Kinley: In the inner man. Read on.
Reader: That the Messiah may dwell in you.
Dr. Kinley: That the Messiah may dwell, that the Messiah may dwell, listen at this, in your heart, Williams, not up in the sky.
Dr. Kinley: Say what you just said. I'm talking with Ryan. I want them to hear him say that.
Ryan: What I said was that the Messiah may dwell in your hearts,
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Ryan: and in your mind. The Jehovah Witnesses say that the Holy Spirit is a vital force upon you and not in you.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now do you see that? Folks, the time for playing is out, we don't have no time for fooling, no fooling, no play. We have to get down to business with you. Now listen here, I want you to know that we know the world is lost and we know a lot of these things that's said in the ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. And not only that, they'll put you to death for saying things like I just said. And I don't think there's too many of you in here and around in this school have been beat up like I have for saying what I been saying to you. I've been beat up for saying. ____ ain't been able to stop my mouth either. Now look folks, I wasn't lying to you, I did see a vision. I drawed it out there, in limitations. I drawed it out, so you can see it, so you can understand. I didn't do that just because I wanted some decorations. I told you the purpose. I want to get into it before I'm through with you. Now let me tell you what I'm talking about too. Now listen, you don't know nobody. You don't know nobody that's ever done anything like that, like what you see around here. And as David said last Friday night, this is what you've got to have in order to understand anything. And I didn't put it up here, just to be lookeding... I didn't put it up there for that reason. Now look here, I want you to know this too. There's some other folks got some charts too. Sun Yung (Myung?) Moon from Korea. About six to ten millions of people following him has got charts, but you've never seen none like these. And I'm gonna show you, I'm gonna show you the meaning of these before I, before I, before I stop. Read on.
Reader: That the Messiah may dwell in your heart.
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Dr. Kinley: That the Messiah might dwell in your heart by faith. Now look, I told you this before. Messiah, when He was walking around here on the earth, just like I am in a physical body. He is not in anybody in that way. He's not in anybody that way. Do you understand now? But ____. We'll have to read it. The 14th chapter of John, 14th chapter of John and about the 25th or 26th verse. I want you to see how it is that He does dwell in you, since we're talking about the Messiah in your heart. Read on.
Reader: These things have I spoken unto you.
Dr. Kinley: Now Yahshua, He's with 'em in the flesh, just like I'm standing here with you. These things have I spoken unto you.
Reader: Being yet present with you.
Dr. Kinley: Being yet present with you.
Reader: But the comforter.
Dr. Kinley: But the comforter.
Reader: Which is the Holy Spirit.
Dr. Kinley: Now, now, now that's the Comforter. The Comforter is the Holy Spirit. That's not flesh and blood, Williams, but the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit. Read on.
Reader: Whom the father will send in my name.
Dr. Kinley: Whom the father will send in the name of the Honorable Elijah Mohammed.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Or ____ Mohammed?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: John the Baptist?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Ezekiel,
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Jeremiah,
Student Body: No.
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Dr. Kinley: Moses,
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Pope Paul,
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: your pastor,
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Henry Clifford Kinley. That's me? Folks, I wanna lay this thing on the line in here this morning. I want this foolishness stopped. There isn't anybody that can preach the Gospel. Nobody, but Yahshua the Messiah. That's who it is that's doing the preaching. They don't know nothing. And let me tell you this, Yahshua the Messiah said that He only knew the Father. Nobody else knows the Father but Him. And the only other one that would know anything about the Father, but whom He, Yahshua the Messiah, would reveal Yahweh. That's what He said. Alright? Read on.
Reader: But the comforter which is the Holy Spirit.
Dr. Kinley: But the comforter which is the Holy Spirit.
Reader: whom the Father will send in my name.
Dr. Kinley: Now you just wait a minute. Whom the Father will send in John the Baptist name.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: You see that now? In the name of Pope Paul?
Student Body: NO.
Dr. Kinley: Any objections of my continuation in the way I'm talking here about these things. I'm putting it down on the line, just like it is. This is the way you have to have it in order to be saved, otherwise you definitely will be lost. ____ ____ ____ Yahweh. You just can't go on your way. You just can't go on the way we have been taught. It's wrong. Alright. Read on.
Reader: Shall teach you all things.
Dr. Kinley: Now the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, which the Father will send in the name of Yahshua the Messiah. Is that what you just read? Try reading it again.
Reader: But the comforter which is the Holy Spirit.
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
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Reader: Whom the father will send in my name.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? He ain't sending in Henry Clifford's name. He ain't sending in the name of Elijah Mohammed. He ain't sending in the name of John the Baptist. He's not sending in the name of Jeremiah, Ezekiel, or none of the rest of 'em. Do you hear what I'm saying, not sending in the name of Moses. And you can't either. We just read over there in Acts of Apostles, you can't be saved in no other name. Look folks, they're lost in the name of Honorable Elijah Mohammed. Yes, and Jesus Christ too. That was alright until we found out to know the difference, but when you know the difference then all manner of sin and blaspheming would been forgiven unto men except blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Now what I'm saying to you is this: when you set up here, there's a sin not unto death, I do not say that you should pray for. Then in the law there was a sin that wasn't unto death; in other words, they were ignorant of a whole lotta things that hadn't been revealed and when Yahweh revealed 'em, right there is where you stop at. You can continue on if you want to. That's what John said. That's what Yahshua said. This is hard to say these things to you, but I thought I'd try to get up this morning and say it because some of you probably won't be here tonight, so that's the reason why I got up. I had 15 minutes and I take all I want, right? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Now you see what I'm talking about? Now that's plain, that'S easy to be understood. And anybody come along and tell you anything different than what I have told you, they're wrong. Now don't get me misunderstood. If I don't tell you like the Roman Catholics, and the Protestants, the Hebrews, the Mohammedans and all them, I'd be wrong. If I wasn't telling you things that the other.., that, that no other man... Now that's narrowing it all down to you. That's narrowing it on down, then I would be lost and you'd be lost cause you heard me. I have to tellr man living and walking around on the face of the earth today, but I have to tell you this and you are gonna have to hear or else have to suffer the consequences of your disobedience. Did you hear that? It don't make no difference what your reputation is and how much money you got, your family pedigrees and all those kind of things. It don't make any difference. I don't know of anybody in my family that ever amounted to anything, including me, so I don't have a thing to boast or brag about. Alright, read.
Reader: But the Comforter.
Dr. Kinley: But the Comforter.
Reader: Which is the Holy Spirit.
Dr. Kinley: Which is the Holy Spirit.
Reader: Whom the father will send in my name.
Dr. Kinley: Whom the father will send in His name, Yahshua. Alright, read on.
Reader: Shall teach you.
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Dr. Kinley: Now, now wait a minute. I want you to get this straight. The Honorable Elijah Mohammed or Henry C. Kinley, they're not, they're not the teacher. Freddie Allen and Bishop Williams, they're not the teachers. You got that all messed up too. Somebody said, 'well, Doctor Kinley, he's the teacher down there. He's the founder of the school. He's the, he's the big shot down there.' I beg your pardon. You got it all twisted up bad. I'm the little shot. That's right. Everybody comes along ____ ____ he's wrong. If they don't say that, then I would be wrong. When they come to saying, 'oh, he's right, he's right.' ____ ____ ____ Yes so, I give it to you straight folks. That's the way it is. Read on.
Now the Father sent the Comforter in the name of Yahshua the Messiah. Now look here, this is what I'm trying to tell you. Yahshua the Messiah is the teacher down here at this institution, that's who the teacher is. The Holy Spirit sent in His name, that's who the teacher is. Now how about that. That was read out of the Bible. Now if you wanna argue about it, then argue with the Book, don't start no argument with me. Alright. That'll do for that.
Now, look, Ephesians, I wanna show you. The third chapter. Whatever, wherever it is there. I want you to get this one straight now. I want you to get this one straight. Alright.
Reader: Of whom the whole family in heaven and in earth.
Dr. Kinley: Read the verse above it.
Reader: Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations.
Dr. Kinley: I, I... Paul is saying he don't want you faint because of his tribulations, his persecutions, his correction, and all the beating up, and all that he's undergoing. And he said this, I reckon that the suffering of this present time is not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall be revealed in us. All of our troubles and life's experiences that we've undergone. The persecutions and all the afflictions, the beating ups, the stonings, it's not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall be revealed in you. You see that now? It just isn't worthy of it. Alright. Now he doesn't want you to get all worked up or troubled about his suffering that he's undergone.
Everybody was saying that Paul was wrong. And he was made a minister of the Gentile. Everybody said he was wrong and he didn't, listen here, he did not preach to the Gentiles, I want you to get this one too, and neither did he preach it to the Jews. And he said he was a debtor both to the Jews ato get this one straight. He did not preach water baptism, circumcision, and sacrifices and carnal ordinances. He did not preach them to the Gentiles and he did not preach 'em to the Jews. He did not do that. When, when he told the Gentiles was that they were saved by faith, by the grace of God through faith, and that's not of ourselves, listen now, it is the gift, free gift of Yahweh, not by works of righteousness, such as water baptism and circumcision, eating Lord's Suppers and things like that. That's out, as Dr. David Rosen told you. And he is a Jew, was raised right in a Jewish family, has some problems now, for ____ ____ as we speak, but he does know that this school ____ ____ Friday night. They don't have
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no business dib dabbling in water baptism, the Jews, with circumcision, and sacrifices and things. And look Roger, if you're gonna baptize, then you're gonna have to offer up sacrifices. All of 'em was back under the law. Now can't you see why I told you your pastor was wrong? Those things were imposed on the Jews.
Now listen folks, let's get this thing straight before I finish. All of these things that were back here, water baptism, circumcision, and ceremonies, and passover suppers and sacrifices and, and the Law all contained in ordinances, all of 'em... Now listen to what I'm saying now. The law so says the apostles is hope, is just, it is good. Good for what? It's a school master to bring you up to the Messiah; in other words, all these things pointed to the Spirit and they were given to the Jews only. Now we are in the reality of these things in the spirit. Jews and Gentiles are in the reality of it. Do you understand? Now what it is, it's a great big mystery. The devil just don't understand it. But those whom Yahweh has sent, they understand it and everybody says they're wrong. Say Williams, you are a pretty well read man. You and Bishop Short, Bishop Gross and ... Do you know any other denomination under the face of the.., on the face of the earth... Griggs, you know something about it too, and any, and the rest of you. Do you know anybody else in this age, David, I'm talking to you too. Do you know anybody else in this age that preaches that Yahshua the Messiah come into the world, when He come through the loins of a women to fulfill the law and the prophets and to move the natural things out of the way?
Student Body: NO
Dr. Kinley:. Do you know of anybody else?
Student Body: NO
Dr. Kinley: I'm talking about in the world now.
Student Body: NO
Dr. Kinley: Do you? Does anybody else in here know? If you do stand up. I'd like to see your face. I'd like to look you in the face. Do you know any man, other man in the world bt these things were given to the Jews? They were imposed on them and that was for a limited time, until the time of the Reformation and Yahshua the Messiah come and fulfilled it and moved all that out of the way. Now do you see that? Now I'm asking you, do you know? I ask this whole audience, do you know any other man in the world that's preaching and teaching? Any organization? Then you have to buy what I say in the first place? Now we got ____ ____ straightened out, what these organizations should be called. Alright. Read.
Reader: Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. For this cause, I bow my knees unto the father of our savior, Yahshua the Messiah.
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Dr. Kinley: Read.
Reader: Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.
Dr. Kinley: In whom the whole family, listen, in heaven and in earth, That's the angels. The whole family in heaven and earth is named. What?
Reader: That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory to be strengthened with might.
Dr. Kinley: What I wanna know is... What you just said.
Reader: For this cause I bow my knees unto the father of our savior, Yahshua the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? I bow my knees to Yahshua the Messiah, from the Father. Of whom, listen, the whole family... Now you can get, now you get rid of your Baptist and Methodists, and Roman Catholic ____. You can get rid of it this morning. For the whole family in heaven and in earth is named by the same name. I ain't done with that either.
Look, Revelations, read there in Revelations. Read it. That, that name was written in their forehead, and that was not Roman Catholic, that was not Baptist, that was not Methodist, that was not Mohammed. That name that was written in there. That's the reason why the high priest, a type, had that bonnet on and that bonnet tied in the back and it had wrote up, right up here in letters on that bonnet: Holiness unto Yahweh. Just left this point to find out something about it. Now you found that the whole family in heaven and in earth is called by the same name and you found out that there's no other name given under heaven whereby man can be saved, saving the name of Yahshua the Messiah. Now that's what you found out this morning. Whether you want to accept it or not. And you found out that the whole family in heaven and the whole family in earth is called by the same name. Do you have Revelations 9:4 and 2 Corinthians. Read.
Reader: Revelations 14. And I looked and lo, a lamb stood on the mount Sion
Dr. Kinley: And now I looked and, lo, a lamb stood on the mount Sion.
Reader: With him a hundorty and four thousand.
Reader: Having his name and his father's name written in their foreheads.
Dr. Kinley: Having Yahshua's name and His father's name.
Reader: Written in their foreheads.
Dr. Kinley: Not Roman Catholic, Williams, not Baptist, not Jesus, not Lord, not God. Having His father's name and the son's name written in their foreheads. Is that right?
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Do you see what I have? Do you, do you, do you really appreciate that I have told you something this morning? Now we've ministered down here. Before you, we've been preached to before. But now this is laying it on the line and it's putting it all there for what's in the Book, putting it on there according to the Revelation of Yahshua the Messiah according to what's given unto the his people. That's putting it right down there. And look, what you're gonna have to do, you're gonna have to get up and get out of that. The 17th and 18th chapter of Revelations, listen, Babylon means confusion. The confusion that's in the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches, get up and go on out of it. You ain't ____ ____. Now I ____ the ____ for saying this. And I've been persecuted for saying it, but that's the truth. You might as well come down here and learn yourself some things. You can't learn about that in the Baptist and Methodist and Presbyterian and Roman Catholic churches. You can't do that. Now, now I tried my best to talk plain to you this morning so that you wouldn't have no questions. I told you the truth. Now I know people are gonna say, 'well I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that.' I know all of that. I know the world's gonna be lost. You don't need to tell me about it. Now, there's one other thing I wanna show you, and then I'll be done. And that's Habakkuk 1:5 and the 2nd chapter. Now I wanna let you know, David read over there in Paul's epistle, I think the fourth verse, second or 4:12, where he said the ____ ____ ____. Read that verse in Timothy there.
Reader: The cloak,
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: Timothy 4:13.
Dr. Kinley: Timothy 4:13, the cloak.
Reader: The cloak that I at left at Troas.
Dr. Kinley: The cloak which I left at Troas.
Reader: With Carpus.
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: When thou comest, bring with thee.
Dr. Kinley: Bring with you. Now you bring my cloak. He had to get on out ents, left, left the charts in his home. Persecution. Alright, read on.
Reader: Bring with thee and the books.
Dr. Kinley: And, and the books.
Reader: But especially the parchments.
Dr. Kinley: especially the parchments. You didn't know that was in there did you? Now in the 10th chapter of Acts of Apostles. And Yahweh let that chart or let that sheet down to Peter there
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Dr. Kinley: ...on the housetop, full of four footed beasts and creeping things. Said, 'rise Peter, slay and eat.' Peter said, 'nothing common or unclean never entered into my mouth,' at any time. He was tending to the Gentiles. Now do you see why we drawed these charts. Now I've got something to tell you about this. Now here's something else you don't know. And if you know any other man in the world now. I wanna learn this morning ____ ____. Now we're talking about, listen, I want you to see, I want you to understand. I'm gonna try to talk so everybody can understand what I'm talking about. Now we'll call for Romans 1:18. 1:19, I believe it is and 20. That's from Paul's writing. And then Isaiah 8:20.
Reader: Romans 1:19.
Dr. Kinley: Go ahead, 28th chapter of Isaiah. Romans 1:19. Listen to what it's gonna say. Read.
Reader: Because that which may be known.
Dr. Kinley: Because that which may be known.
Reader: Of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Of Yahweh.
Reader: Is manifest in them.
Dr. Kinley: Is manifest in them. Now listen, I want you to see this. What we are talking about here this mystery. It was not made known to the ____. It was there, but it wasn't yet revealed to 'em. Alright. Because that which may be known of Yahweh.
Reader: Is manifest in them.
Dr. Kinley: Now it's manifested in them.
Reader: For Yahweh has showed it unto them
Dr. Kinley: For Yahweh has showed it unto them. Now wait a minute, he's talking about Yahweh showing it to these people back there. He's talking about the Jews there. For Yahweh has shown it to 'em. That's the only way you're gonna find out anything. Don't know, listen folks, I've said this, I don't know how many times. Don't nobody, don't nobody know nothing about Yahweh and His purpose, listen now, but Yahweh Himself. So then if Yahweh's gonna have to reveal it, cause don't nobody know. That's the reason why every Tom, Dick, and Harry, they can't c and read this and that and the other and know something about it. They don't know. Alright, read. Because that which may be known, Yahweh showed unto them.
Reader: For the invisible.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute, Spirit is invisible. Now I heard some of the Mohammedans say this. Now they don't believe in nothing they can't see, but you can't see the spirit. You can't see air, you can't see wind. You don't believe in it. Look what ____ on you. Look what hurricanes do. Alright, read on.
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Reader: For the invisible things of Yah.
Dr. Kinley: For the invisible, Yahweh is invisible, the invisible things of him.
Reader: From the creation.
Dr. Kinley: Now, I want you to get this one straight. Now I want... I'm pinpointing this now. From where?
Reader: From the creation of the world.
Dr. Kinley: Now look here, Williams, I want you to get this one straight. Now we're talking about from the creation of the world. We're not talking about from Yahshua, Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. We're not talking about that. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about from the creation of the world the invisible things of Yahweh is understood, by the invisible things, right from the creation and there isn't a man nowhere, ____ ____ ____ through everything ____ Yahweh, unless Yahweh reveals it. You can't do nothing with it. Alright. Read.
Reader: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen.
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see this? Creation by the pattern, creation of the world. Right from the creation it's clearly seen. Alright, read on.
Reader: Being understood by the
Dr. Kinley: Being understood.
Reader: By the things that are made.
Dr. Kinley: Being understood by the things that are made. Never told a man to make but three things: Noah's Ark, the tabernacle, and the temple and all the rest of it He made Himself, right from the creation. Now the invisible things which are the angels, are you listening, are you sure you're listening, and even His supernal nature, which the world calls, listen now, the Godhead. I'm really by myself on that. Even the Godhead: how the Father is, how He is in incorporealization, and how He is in a physical body. Right from the creation of the world it's clearly seen. Now look Freddie, I don't care where you come from, you can come from heaven or hell or anywhere else you wanna come from, but you can't do nothing no better reason why we don't want no boasting and blowing around here about how great you are. Say nothing about that. And I'm telling you plain so you can understand. Don't nobody know Yahweh but Yahweh Himself. He don't know nothing about His purpose.
We had a man stand right in this pulpit from the Church of Christ, arguing with us because we don't practice or teach that water baptism is valid in this dispensation. And he said that the reason why that you had to be baptized in water was to wash away your filthy sins. But listen, let me.., now listen, that's plain dumb ____ ____. You don't need no water, you don't need no sense for this. If that what he said was right, if that what he said was right. John the Baptist didn't baptize nobody
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but the Jews, he didn't baptize no Gentiles. And he wouldn't baptize them unless they confessed their sins. Then if John the Baptist would come before, or Yahshua the Messiah died. Baptizing them, they'd confessed their sins and John the Baptist 'em and if water baptism washed away their filthy sins, this man died in vain. And that was foolish and stupid of Him to hang out there on the cross to die for somebody's sin when John the Baptist done baptized 'em and washed away their sins.
Now you don't need no brain at all for that. First chapter of Revelations, I forgot the verse is at. It says He washed them from their sins ____ ____ blood. Ain't nothing gonna do you no good. This man died, Yahshua the Messiah, to redeem us. Nothing in the world gonna help it any. Somebody say, 'well I went to church all my life. I paid my dues and I've done everything I know. I've been baptized. I've eat Lord's suppers and I've done this...' It ain't no good. Paul says though he'd give all of his goods, sold all his goods to feed the poor, and give his body to be burned and you do have charity or love, it wouldn't profit you a thing. Don't mean ____ nothing. I'm just ____ ____. I'm sorry Reverend Bernie. I took up all this time. But I, but I, but I have to raise that from the Book. Read on.
Reader: Revelations 1:5
Dr. Kinley: Revelations 1:5
Reader: And from Yahshua the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: That revelation from Yahweh through Yahshua the Messiah.
Reader: Who is the faithful witness.
Dr. Kinley: Now He is a faithful witness. He's no...
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Dr. Kinley: But the problem is, they all died. So he's the first one that ever come out of the tomb that lives on forever. He's the first and only one that lives on forever and I will have you know that He is present here this morning, and not absent. He's present in the form of the Holy Spirit which is called in His name. Do you understand? Alright, read on.
Reader: And the firfirst begotten of the dead.
Reader: And the ruler of the kings of the earth.
Dr. Kinley: And He is... Now listen. Now the Roman Catholics say the Pope is the ruler of the world, but He's the ruler of the kingdom, of the kingdom; in other words, He's the King of the kings, He's the High Priest of the high priests. He's the Elohim of the elohims. Did you hear? He is the beginning and He is the end. He is the first and He's the last. By and by He's the all and all and that's all. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's the way it is. Now that's what we preach down here. That's gonna be the meat that's gonna do you some good. Alright. Read on.
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Reader: And the ruler of the kings.
Dr. Kinley: And now He's the ruler of the kings of the earth.
Reader: Unto him that loved us.
Dr. Kinley: Unto Him that loved us.
Reader: And washed us from our sins.
Dr. Kinley: And He's washed us from our sins.
Reader: In his own blood.
Dr. Kinley: In His own blood. He shed His blood out there, done away with all the sacrifices, that's the only thing. The blood of bulls and goats and heifers and the physical washings, none of that, it ain't done nobody no good. He washed away sins in His own blood. Now I give it to you straight. I give it to you like it is. He washed us from our sins in His own blood. He died for both Jews and Gentiles. Yahweh so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, Yahshua, not Jesus, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. That's the way that is. Now these charts. Back over to Habakkuk 1:5 and the second chapter.
Reader: Behold ye among the nations.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, I want you to see what I told you, cause I want to call your attention to that. I told you if I wasn't teaching something that none of the rest of 'em in the world was teaching, then I was wrong. And the whole world says I'm wrong. Do you remember that? Alright, now that's, that's an awful hard thing to say. Alright, read.
Reader: Habakkuk 1:5.
Dr. Kinley: Habakkuk 1:5.
Reader: Behold ye among the heathen.
Dr. Kinley: Now look you among the heathen. Look, behold you among the heathen.
Reader: And regard.
Dr. Kinley: And regard what's back there.
Reader: And wonder marvelously.
Dr. Kinley: And wonder marvelously.
Reader: For I will work a work in your days.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, listen, this is Yahweh. He consumes the prophets saying, that holy. In your King James Version, the whole English Bible, wonder and perish. I'll work a work in your days, listen now, there. Huh. I know that's what in the Book but I want it read. Somebody say, 'well, that man just said it.' I want you to know it's in the Book.
Reader: Behold ye among the heathen and regard and wonder marvelously.
Dr. Kinley: And wonder marvelously.
Reader: For I will work a work in your days.
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh said I will work a work in your days.
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Reader: Which ye will not believe.
Dr. Kinley: Now He done already told you, you wasn't gonna believe it, told the Jews that. They didn't believe it. Now Yahshua, here come Yahshua the Messiah, healing the sick and raising the dead and they say He had a Beelzebub. They didn't believe. And even right today there'll be some that don't believe. And for the most part, the world just doesn't believe. They ____ ____ ____. Look at the King James Version and read out of there. Alright, you keep looking at the King James Version. Read.
Reader: Behold ye among the
Dr. Kinley: Now, now watch now. I want you, I want you to pay attention. Look at this ____ ____, then you can see why that I said what I did. You can see why that the Jews didn't believe in Yahshua the Messiah. And then you can tell them why it is that they won't believe in you cause all that goes along the same line. Read.
Reader: Behold you among the heathen and regard.
Dr. Kinley: And regard.
Reader: And wonder marvelously.
Dr. Kinley: And wonder marvelously. People wonder, 'how can that man can get up there and teach against water baptism, when Jesus
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Dr. Kinley: Himself was baptized. If it's good enough for Him, it's good enough for me.' Well, say fella, He was crucified too. How about that. Is that good enough for you too? Say, look if anybody go out there right in a ____ and get killed or beat up. The Roman Catholics killed millions and the Protestants too. Then blood. And it ain't done a thing, just another dead person, that's all. It's just by the blood of this One that Yahweh prepared that sacrifice, even before He created the heavens and the earth, for the sacrifice to redeem, to restore man, and nothing else won't do. That's according to the purpose. Alright? Behold ye and regard and wonder and tarry. I'll work a work among you in your days that you will not believe.
Reader: Though it be told.
Dr. Kinley: ThouI just got through telling you. Now listen, the question is whether or not you believe. Yahshua the Messiah told the folks too and they didn't believe it. That's what the Book says. If you don't think it says it, I'll read it to you. Alright. Now then the question is ye will not believe though it be told to you. Now read the second chapter.
Reader: Read out of the Holy Name?
Dr. Kinley: Yeah, just any one of 'em.
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Reader: And the lord answered me and said.
Dr. Kinley: And the lord answered. That's, that's wrong, which was Yahweh that said it.
Reader: First verse.
Dr. Kinley: First verse.
Reader: I will stand upon my watch.
Dr. Kinley: I will stand upon my watch.
Reader: and
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. I want you to see now. This is a prophet. He's on his watch and he's gonna see what Yahweh's gonna say to him. What He's gonna have to say to him. I stand upon my watch. And then what?
Reader: And set me upon the tower.
Dr. Kinley: And set me upon the tower.
Reader: And will watch to see what he will say unto me.
Dr. Kinley: Now I'm gonna watch to see what He's gonna say. Now he's watching to see what Yahweh gonna say, not ____ ____, not Moses, not somebody else, but he's watching to see what Yahweh's gonna say. Alright, read.
Reader: And what I shall answer.
Dr. Kinley: And what I, and what I'm gonna answer.
Reader: When I am reproved.
Dr. Kinley: When, when he's reproved. He said now that's what, now that's what he's waiting for. He's up on his watch, and he's gonna, what I'm gonna answer when he's reproved. Then what?
Reader: And Yahweh answered me and said.
Dr. Kinley: And Yahweh answered him and said.
Reader: Write the vision.
Dr. Kinley: Oh my goodness.
Reader: and
Dr. Kinley: Oh, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it right there. Write the Mishnah. Write the Talmud. Write the Holy Koran. That's what Yahweh said, He told him to write the vision, and make it plain. Read.
Reader: Yahweh answered.
Dr. Kinley: Well, write the vision and make it plain, upon what?
Reader: Write the vision and make it plain upon tables.
Dr. Kinley: I, I ain't gonna ____ ____ what it is on these, ____ see what I'm preaching, I'm talking about these charts. Alright. Make it plain.
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Reader: Upon tables.
Dr. Kinley: Upon tables.
Reader: That every one may read it fluently.
Dr. Kinley: That everybody can read it fluently. Any idiot from anywhere can read it. Make it plain so he can understand it. Write the vision, I told you I had a vision. I told you I had a revelation. I didn't understand the vision when I seen it, ____ ____. Write the vision and make it plain, and make it plain upon tables. So that he, somebody read, get out, don't look back either, just slip right on out. Listen, 'why are you going? Well, what's happened to you?' I've come out of Babylon, that's all. Coming out. Write the vision and make it plain. Now folks, I've said that to show you this. This is what it is. When you was reading down there in Romans. Write the vision and make it plain upon tables so he can read it and then run, get on out of there. Alright. Now I told you back in Romans. Go back to Romans 1:19, 20 and read that 20th verse.
Reader: For the invisible things.
Dr. Kinley: Now for, now listen, listen here Freddy. For the invisible things of him.
Reader: From the creation of the world.
Dr. Kinley: From the creation of the world.
Reader: Are clearly seen.
Dr. Kinley: Are clearly seen.
Reader: Being understood by the things that are made.
Dr. Kinley: Being understood by the things that are made.
Reader: Even his, his eternal power and supernal nature.
Dr. Kinley: Even his eternal power, even his supernal nature.
Reader: So that they are without excuse.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, ain't nobody in here without no excuse. You ain't got no excuse for your ignorance. Yeah, I know you're ignorant but haven't got no excuses for it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Somebody says, 'well I'll tell you what is is: it's God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Ghost.' Just like ____ he's God the Father, and Freddy, he's God the Son, and Roger, he's God the Holy Ghost. That's why 4, 6:4. I just wanna, I just wanna show you now. I wanna show you what the Book said. It's not like that. Read.
Reader: Hear oh Israel.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, now you can hear if you want to. Hear, oh Israel.
Reader: Yahweh our Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh our Elohim.
Reader: Is Yahweh a unity.
Dr. Kinley: Is Yahweh
Reader: A unity.
Dr. Kinley: A union.
Student Body: No.
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Dr. Kinley: Is a unity. Now listen, you know confounded well that everything in your body is joined. Joined means I have one body. That's a unity, that's not three distinctive persons. Now if it was three distinctive persons, then, then you are. Stand up Williams. This man is complete, he is made in the likeness and image of Yahweh. Now here's Yahweh in shape and form, that's Elohim. This is pure Spirit. Moses seen this in a vision and then he seen Him create a man, Adam, and He said that the man was made in the likeness and image of Yahweh Elohim. Now, then listen, Williams. Yahweh is the head. The breast or the chest, that's Elohim. And the abdominal cavity, that's Yahshua because He's down in the flesh ____ ____ ____, believe that I am in the Father and the Father's in Me or else believe my very works. Now if I do now. Now I'm back again to the same thing I told you before. If I'm all done and if I don't do the works of Him that sent Me, that healed the sick, raised the dead and all these other things. If I didn't do that, don't believe me. That oughta be fair, them hospital records and everything else says that. So I can't raise nobody from the dead. I can't heal even raise my own self. But if, and if there's been healing done, it's simply got to be Yahweh, the Father in us. Now, Isaiah. Now I wanna show you what I'm talking about. Now, now wait a minute. Now, I want you to see, don't want you to lose the continuity of thought. That even His supernal nature or the Godhead. Now, listen folks, right from the creation... That's why Yahweh made everything like it is, so that you wouldn't have no excuse and wouldn't. And Williams, I'm telling you, Christendoom don't know this. They cannot do what I'm fixing to do. Your pastor can't do it. And the reason why he can't do it because he don't know nothing about it, and the reason why he don't know nothing about it cause Yahweh hasn't revealed it to him.
I'm the only man in the world. I know that others think threvelations, but I'm the only man in the world. And I don't have a thing to boast about, but it's our Father, my and your father, not just mine alone but yours too. How about that?
Believe me what I have been delivering unto you this morning. I'm zealous about it. And look the reason why I tell you I'm zealous is because I love you. Yahweh loves you. The love of Yahweh is ever dwelling in my heart. And I'm willing to undergo the persecution, the affliction, the cussing out, the reviling, and everything from the Roman Catholics and the Protestants and all like that, and from the hypocrites, and skeptics, the atheists, the agnostics and infidels, the liars, the hypocrites, the back biters, and everything else. I'm willing to undergo if for Him. I'm giving it to you straight folks this morning. Yahweh got me on up early this morning, I had to call ____ and ____ ____ ____.
Now this is what they can't do: just write the vision and make it plain, And he said right from the ____ nature or the Godhead. Now, this is what He said, there ain't none that ____, your preacher can't do this. Pope Paul can't do this. Now ____ ____ ____. Now I wrote the vision, I've made it plain. And I wrote it on these charts and these tables, so I've been obedient to Yahweh, to minister. And it goes clear on back to the Godhead to show you this: this is pure spirit, ____ ____, this is pure spirit, ____ what you take is pure spirit, and it's taking on shape and form of a man.
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That's what you read, right from the very beginning. Now man is made in the likeness and image. And Yahshua the Messiah in the form of a man, acting like a man, and the Father would draw all of them. He was in the Father and the Father was in Him. And if not, and if not, believe Me for My very works sake. And if I don't get it sent then nobody else can do it. Don't you believe 'em. Now what did you come in the world for? I've come in the world to fulfill the law and the prophets, and move it out of the way. What's that for? Why that's so that you can walk in the Holy Spirit or that Comforter which is come, which is the Holy Spirit in the ministry. He will lead you, and guide you in all truth and all righteousness.
Bring, you up and there is nobody, ain't nobody, listen to what I'm saying Williams, you do, you do, I've said this before, ain't nobody, ain't nobody in this room, ain't nobody around here nowhere, nobody in the world is told about ____, ever says in the Bible from Genesis to Revelations, anywhere, just one verse Williams, for a Gentile to get baptized in physical water. It's not in the Book. It ain't in there. You Williams, you're one of the big shots out of the Church of Christ. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Isn't that right Dr. Williams? And our agreement was ____ ____ ____ ____ in ____ ____ and this whole audience would go with him. And he, and he called me, called me back up ____ ____. But when his eyes come open, and when he did see the truth. That's been was how long ago Dr. Williams?
LaSalle Williams: 12 years ago.
Dr. Kinley: 12 years ago. He went back over there and tried to tell them about it and they put him in jail. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. That's right. And that's what they'll do to you. And now, ____ ____ ____. Now look, now here's what I'm talking about. Look up here now. This is this pattern. This is this pattern that's placed along the side of the Godhead here, or placed along side of Elohim, it's made in the image of __ians 6:19. Now this is your, this is a, this is a figure of your body, this tabernacle that He told him to build, Moses to build. Now I want you to follow me carefully here. Now, get Isaiah.
Reader: Isaiah 28:9 and 10.
Dr. Kinley: Isaiah. Now look, now we're reading Isaiah 28:9. Now I'm fixing to show you something that they can't do there. Alright, read.
Reader: Whom shall he teach knowledge.
Dr. Kinley: Now whom shall Yahweh teach knowledge.
Reader: And whom shall he make to understand doctrine.
Dr. Kinley: Now whom shall He make to understand doctrine. Do you recall that Yahshua the Messiah said, My doctrine is not My own doctrine but Him that sent Me? Now my doctrine is not my own, but Him that sent me. Now whom shall He make understand doctrine. Now it's the doctrine I'm talking about. Whom shall He teach knowledge and whom shall He make to, to understand doctrine.
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Now, listen at me now, that doctrine, the invisible thing, right from the very creation of the world is clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and godhead or supernal nature so that you don't have no excuse. Nobody got no excuse for no ignorance, Yahweh abolished that, your excuses. It ain't gonna do. Said, 'well if my pastor...' That ain't gonna work a work. Alright, read.
Reader: Whom shall he teach knowledge.
Dr. Kinley: Whom shall he teach knowledge.
Reader: Whom shall he make to understand doctrine.
Dr. Kinley: Now whom shall he make to understand doctrine.
Reader: Them that are weaned from the milk.
Dr. Kinley: Now you have to come on off of milk. You been ____ the time was alright to give you a little milk. You've got to get off that bottle. You're a babe when you drank that milk. Now we're talking about all growing up now. Alright, read.
Reader: Them that are weaned from the milk.
Dr. Kinley: Them that are weaned from the milk.
Reader: And drawn from the breasts.
Dr. Kinley: Weaned form (from?) milk and drawn from the breast. Alright.
Reader: For precept...
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen, now here, here, here's where the problem is. Now this is what Pope Paul and all the rest of them can't do. For precept
Reader: Must
Dr. Kinley: Must
Reader: Be upon precept.
Dr. Kinley: Must be upon precept.
Reader: Precept upon precept.
Dr. Kinley: Precept upon precept.
Reader: Line upon line.
Dr. Kinley: Now, line upon line.
Reader: Line upon line.
Dr. Kinley: Line upon line.
Reader: Here a little,
Dr. Kinley: Here a little,
Reader: And there a little.
Dr. Kinley: To the testimony. You see that now? Now this is a ruler. Now, if that's the rule there without any understanding, you wouldn't know what it's all about. Now here, here's what you do. (DR. KINLEY PAUSES FOR ABOUT A MINUTE) Now here's lines upon lines, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little.
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Would that be a line upon a line? Now watch the line upon the line. Now this is a blood line. This is a water line. This is a spirit line. Now then this is in the sanctuary. This is another line. This is in the sanctuary. Another line in the Most Holy Place.
Now then pay attention folks, now if it be that way all the way from the creation on down through all the dispensation and ages right down to here where we are now. Satan can't do that. Now watch what I'm gonna say. Put the line upon the line. There's the blood. All the way through, that's the blood line, all the way back here through Noah and on through here, through Moses, through the alter (altar?), through Yahshua the Messiah and down. And I kept it all the way, the blood, the line, the line. Now that's a line. And line must be upon a line. There's a water line. There's water line and the line upon.... Now there's a line, spirit. See that now? Look at that chart over there. Look how it's made. It was made the same way as this one is. The blood line, the water line, the spirit line. They can't do it.
Now that's what you have to be able to do in order to prove that Yahweh came ____. You see that now? Do you see? Now then look, that must be all the way from the creation. See the blood line, see the water line, see the spirit line, see the sanctuary, entering in the Most Holy Place, and then you see the Holy place. It's all by the tabernacle and your tabernacle is a pattern. Listen folks, I didn't imagine this up here. See, here's a blood line. The pattern dictates it. Yahshua the Messiah. This is a figure of your body.
Now anybody.., said write the vision and make it plain. I told you I had a vision. Now I'm trying to make it plain. Now you can take it anyway you want to. Now look here, the Father, Yahweh, Elohim and Yahshua, these three are one tabernacle. A proton, a neutron, and electron, that's one atom. A nucleus, nucleolus, and a cell body, that's one. Now it doesn't make any difference whereyou can't fix that. Moses had to put these vessels where he was told to put 'em. Then you go on the inside, you got to ____ the golden candlestick, and it won't work here on this side. The table of shewbread won't work on the side... Somebody said, 'well, I can try to move the furniture around on the chart ____ here.' No, you can't do that, anymore so than you can move your heart on the other side. You can't do that. Now, here's the alter (altar?) of incense. And this is Gabriel here talking to Zachariah. The ark. Gabriel the Messenger and Zachariah is the high priest. He's officiating in the sanctuary and he's telling him about the birth of Yahshua the Messiah coming through the loins of a woman. This is a figure of your body.
Now look, the blood, the water, you have it in you, your kidneys, your bowels, your intestines. There's blood here. Four horns on the altar, correlating to this. The laver, your kidneys, that furniture is brought together and to put 'em in ____. That's the blood and the water. Then you enter into the door. Yahshua the Messiah said, I am the door, enter in at the straight gate. He's the door. He's the light of the world. He's that bread that came down from heaven. He's our intercessor and mediator or go between. You see what I'm talking about? Now ____ body wants to and He offered and made that way entered into the most Holy Place, a
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new and living way and went into the Father. Now you can't fix that.
Now what we do down here, everything we do, we have to take it by this pattern. This is a picture of Him. Man made in the likeness and image, then you take the pattern and you put it on everything, that's is right from the first chapter of Genesis right on down. Put it on every animate and inanimate object in the universe, it's threefold. He made it like that. What for and why? It's Yahweh making it simple and so plain that the natural things point to the spiritual so that you won't have no excuse. Now in Matthew, it is said, I don't want you, I don't want you to read it, but it is in Matthew. It is said, he's just saying, and went out among the Jews that when He was crucified and laid in Joseph's new tomb said His disciples come and stole Him away while those men at the tomb slept. We have a picture of it over here in this chart. His disciples come and stole Him away.
Now He was the Son. Yahshua was the Son of Yahweh. ____ ____. Now I want you to watch folks. Watch. When Adam, he was also a Son then, back there in the garden. Yahweh waited for the cool of the day, took that sun in the ethereal heavens and makes Adam a son. The sun was going down in the cool of the day and this son is going on down to (EITHER WORK OR EARTH). These sons, two sons come down together, the one in the sky and Adam, come down together, driven out of the garden. And ____ ____ came forth, ____ ____ came forth, don't you see it there, the golden candlestick. That candlestick for the ages, which is the the spirit, that is His blood, water, spirit. Now look folks, be careful now. Be careful. Then what I'm saying, I'm the only man in the world today. Now you never heard me talk like that before. Did you ever hear me talk like that? I just thought.., I'd just ____ straight to you so that you won't, won't make no errors about it. Now look, now this sun was going down here in the ethereal heaven. Now when Yahshua the Messiah diede cross, and He came forth in the ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. It turned dark on the face of the earth from the sixth to the ninth hour. The blood is going down to death and darkness was from the sixth to the ninth hour over the face of the earth. Sun went down at the noon day. Now they're both coming on down together, together. This one is coming on down into death together, together. Now then if that be the case there, then He's got to resurrect together. He died out there on the cross. That's, that's what you got there, so they went down together in this darkness, buried in Joseph's new tomb and have the guards placed at the tomb so that, that the people wouldn't rise to the occasion ____ ____. Very early in the morning as it begin to dawn, the sun was coming up. See the sun coming up here? The sun coming up here as it begin to dawn. Went down together. Now the sun's coming up here, together. They had to go down together, they had to come up together. So now it begin to dawn toward the first day of the week He's risen from the dead. Now these sons is coming up together.
Then He tarried there 40 days on earth. Now this is what you got, blood, water, 40, blood, water, 40, blood, water, 40, blood, water, 40. The tabernacle sit there in the wilderness, there is blood, water, in the wilderness 40 years. In time, mathematical time. Who do you know that knows these things like this? How long did it rain? Blood, water, 40. How long did it rain?
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Student Body: 40 days.
Dr. Kinley: How long did it ____ ____ ____? Then Yahshua was baptized, just like it was, how long did He stay in the wilderness? 40 years. What you gonna, what's He out there for? He's fulfilling this back there. Don't you think that these people know nothing about what they're talking about? (THE BELL RINGS) There's the bell. I heard it. Fifteen minutes. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) But I hope and trust... Now that's what you have to do. But now here's what I wanna tell you. He tarried 40 days, 40 on earth after He resurrected from the grave. He went out as far as Bethany to the Mount of Olives. And a cloud received Him out of their sight. And two men stood thereby. Why were there two men there? It's because of these two angels, two archangels standing here on that ark. Two men stood by, it says, ye men, why stand ye gazing up into heaven, the same Yahshua the Messiah whom you see taken up, Himself will return to you again in like manner. This is a vision.
Now here's what I want to say. This is what I wanna say and this is what I mean. They said the disciples come and stole Him away. Well now He's the son, He rises and went down with the sun, and they say look at Him. That's the way Yahweh made everything right from the beginning and it works right together, so that you and I won't have no excuse. So if the sun begin to rise, He resurrected from the dead. And as the sun in the ethereal heaven, if the sun rises out there and it reaches its zenith, that is to say that it reaches its zenith and then the sun sets. So Yahshua the Messiah, when He rose from the dead. And listen, didn't nobody steal that sun away out there in the sky. That one was too hot to handle.
Now you can tell whether they're lying or not, when you know how to work the pattern, cause them two sons went down together and there ain't nobody ever stole the sun away. And ____ ____ ____ the sun in the ethereal heaven; so then He rose from the dead and He.., look the sun set ight hand of the Father in heaven. Got the sun rise, the sun at zenith, and the sun set. There ain't nobody ever stole that one away; in other words, what I'm trying to say is this: Yahweh made everything as it is to abolish your ignorance, and He's got to send somebody along that has knowledge to how to explain it.
In your body you have a liver. Now you don't see no liver or nothing like that but you call that ____ up here, it's nothing like this one. Now it ain't you that's the liver, it's Him. Now how about that? The liver in your body. I am the way, the truth and the life, or the liver. It ain't you that lives, He's the liver. I hope you got something out of that.
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by Dr. Henry C. Kinley
Los Angeles, California
audio cassette recording received from Lamar Greer (# 42A)
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 74.0516
transcribed by: Richard and Susan Graham
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only it more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking
directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
SCRIPTURE: REVELATION 18
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ and there's no need for you to just keep playing around with the thing, you just might as well get on down to it. Sometimes it's hard, and I know there have been many people at one time or the other, come and listen.., and I mean he really got mad at me. Sure enough mad. Angry. Angry enough to do what they did to me; they beat me up.
But I'll tell you something. It's hard, but it is incumbent upon you people that belong to this school to tell the world what it is all about. Now I'm sure that if you have any appreciation at all for the truth, you respect that, you enjoyed what Doctor Dennis Droulard had to say... Anyway you can get around to it. And as we told you that it is urgent that you come down here and learn for yourself. Someone will say, 'Well, I'm sorry I can't come down on a Wednesday night or whenever you have services down here.' Oh, how come? Said, 'well, we're having a meeting over to our church.' Well, you haven't learned anything yet over there. Now don't start no arguments with me, just don't do that, because I wanna tell you this: we have hand ____ by the intellectuals. The smartest men there is in this world, all kinds of academic subjects and we have 'em setting in this audience, and else where around the globe.
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And this school is spreading like wildfire. Today, my son, Glenn, and Persilla went to Honolulu to establish a school there. There are others that are planning on leaving soon. The man that read the scriptures going to Louisiana, and he's starting up a school out there, I didn't say a church. Pretty soon another one goes to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, not ____ but Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And hardly before they get away to it, there will be a couple going to Seattle, Washington and they're just leaving. People that never even had no idea that they would ever be going. Never even give it a thought ____. They come down here and got tangled up with this teaching, and they haven't found no way out of it. Now, I, I think it's incumbent upon me as the founder of this school to just come right straight out and right plain and just tell you in plain words, words that you can understand. It's hard to say, but it is true.
Now we have been talking the 18th chapter of Revelation. Babylon is fallen, is fallen. The angels flying through the midst of heaven crying with a loud voice, Come out of her my people. Why? Just come out of her, that you be not partaker of her sins and receive of her plagues.
Now, Babylon, it has its derivative from Babel, within Babylon. Babylon was the first universal dynasty to rule the world. It's back there on those charts. Now it's a matter of impossibility for us to explain these charts to you every time we come down to this place. Babylon was a great big city that was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians. And they ruled the world. Now when you said Medes and Persians. And is a conjunction that joins together two complete thoughts. Well then somebody says, 'well that don't mean nothing. So what about it? What are you talking about?' This arm is joined to this and this is a hand here that joins with this one over here. That's a conjunction. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Now Babylon was the head, was overthrown. Now, I'm talking about the pattern and how the pattern works. That's what you have to have. And that image that was set up in the plains of Dura by Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon. He inherited it from his father, ____ ____. Now, that kingdom was overthrown and it ruled the world. it was not an ecclesiastical thing, it was a political thing. The land was ruled by the Medes and Persians. The Medes and the Persians was overthrown by the Grecians. Now these is universal dynasties I'm talking about that ruled the world. And then it comes on down. Now what.., now here's what we're talking about now, we’re talking about, and I told you about that man back there, that image set up in the form of a man. Now that’s what we’re, what we’re talking about that Yahweh told Nebuchadnezzar ____ about Daniel, that he, Nebuchadnezzar, was that head of gold. Then it come on down into, as you see these colors down there, that's the reason why we put the thing in colors. One nation overthrowing the other. And then it was.., after Babylon, come Media and Persia, then after Media and Persia comes Grecia. Then Grecia, she's overthrown and then who comes into existence?
Student Body: Rome.
Dr. Kinley: Now why is that? Now he said Medes...
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(PAUSE IN TAPE)
Now you've got Solomon... And it starts here. They're coming down through the age, see how they're joining on here, just like your arm. We're coming down through that man. And then it went on down to, where? What is the next one?
Student Body: Rome.
Dr. Kinley: Pagan and Papal Rome or Roman. More properly spoken it should be Italy, but it is called pagan and papal Rome. Now those are kingdoms that ruled the world.
Now we're not gonna have any more kingdoms rule the world. That stone that was cut loose in the mountain rolled on down through Babylon and down through the ages, and it struck it on the foot, and broke it down. And now that the kingdom is broken in pieces, all of it. And the ruler of that new world is not the pope, it's Yahshua the Messiah, the Son of Yahweh. I got some news for you about that too. First Corinthians 15:28. Yes, indeed, I have some news for you folks. Now we're gonna give you an opportunity in a very few minutes to ask us some questions. And we wanna give you the answers. Now, read.
Reader: And when all things shall be subdued unto Him
Dr. Kinley: Now when all things shall be subdued or brought into submission unto Him, Yahshua the Messiah,
Reader: then shall the Son also Himself
Dr. Kinley: then shall the Son, Yahshua the Messiah, also Himself
Reader: be subject unto him that
Dr. Kinley: be subject unto Him
Reader: that put all things
Dr. Kinley: that put all things under Him. That was Yahweh that put all things.., or His Father that put all things under Him. Is that clear? Is there any question about that? Alright read.
Reader: that Yahweh may be all in all.
Dr. Kinley: Now that.., this is really important: that Yahweh might be all in all. Now Doctor Dennis told you that you don't have no long time. If you know anything about prophetic time, you only have a few prophetic seconds, not days, to get straightened out. Now, if they have been all the way down to what is known as the Christian era and they haven't gotten straightened out yet, now how do you expect to get straightened out in a few days or a few prophetic seconds? How do you expect to do that? Then what Yahweh told the people of this earth plane through the prophets that He had sent unto them before the birth of Yahshua the Messiah through the loins of Mary, now listen at what I'm saying, they never obeyed it what Yahweh Himself, Elohim Himself, said from this mountain. Doctor Dennis told you they didn't keep it 40 days. Everything that the prophets have
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said, they never learned.
Now I got some news for you. I want you to think about this, then we'll get on with the subject. ____ ____ ____. Now Doctor Harris.., now I, I want you folks that are authorities in this school to help me out, to help me to convince these people that what we're telling 'em down here is right. Now here is a piece of paper. Doctor Harris would you be so kind as to turn your chair around and set up here where these folks.., or bring this one up here, bring it right on up here in the front somewhere. I.., I need help. Now you might as well try to look for the whole business. Now this is your show. This is your break to find out some of them things you didn't know nothing about. If you have any question in your mind about the future or the past or the present, now is your opportunity. Now I'm supposed to know. 'Now you little smart headed, smart ass preacher with black, nappy-headed, round shoulders ignoramus.' Don't forget now, I'm talking in the name.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now they said that same thing about me before. ____ I remembered ____ he just smiled and he said, '15 minutes?' And he just laughed, 'Oh, it was...' He's talking the greatest thing, until Doctor Harris got down to where he lived at ____, down on this trip. And he went on his doorbell ahead of 'em. And here he come, said, 'Well, I've got to go now.' Before that you had all the time, you didn't have to go nowhere. ____ ____ ____. Just as soon as you step on the devil's feet, now these hypocrite preachers, so he's got some business elsewhere else. You, you, don't get me that, I just been called on by Jehovah's Witnesses. You know whenever you get right straight in behind them ____ ____ ____ down here.
Student Body: Right. Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: I think there's something in the book about that, too. I'll tell you what's in the Book about that. Says, resist the devil and he'll flee from you. Get the point? Now this is what Doctor Harris got in trouble in England about and I've never seen that happen before. Doctor Gross has been with me now.., this year. Stand up, Doctor Gross. This is the president. He might bring it up there too. This is the vice-president. Now I wanna tell you why I had him to stand. Now this will answer some of the questions for you. Did anybody that, that can see, you're not blind, I mean physical eyesight. You see that's a white man, that's a German Jew, this man right here. He's white. Any questions about it? That's the president of the school. This man is a black man. Now anybody can see he's black.
Dr. Harris: Right. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: Now, I'm, now listen. That's the reason why he's the president, because he's a white man. That's the reason why he's vice-president, because he's a black man. Now you ought not to have any problem coming in that door and asking about racial discrimination. That oughta shut your mouth and show that this is a mixed audience.
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Student Body: Right, right.
Dr. Kinley: Now that'll save you that question. Thank you gentlemen or brethren.
So now let me go on ahead with the story. When Doctor Harris got down to where the man lived and this is what he would tell him. Doctor Harris, I'm talking about Mr. Moore, who was assistant to Michael Ramsey, Archbishop of Canterbury in England or head of the Anglican church, that operates in America and all over the world, just like Roman Catholicism. Now here's where Doctor Harris got in trouble and I, I, I'll have you read this in a minute too. Read Matthew 3:14 or 3:13 and 14. Now I'm showing you how the man is reading out of the Bible, he got in trouble. Read.
Reader: Then cometh Yahshua
Dr. Kinley: Then cometh Yahshua
Reader: from Galilee to Jordan
Dr. Kinley: from Galilee
Reader: unto John
Dr. Kinley: unto John
Reader: to be baptized by him
Dr. Kinley: to be baptized by him
Reader: But John forbade Him, saying
Dr. Kinley: But John forbade Him
Reader: I have need to be baptized of thee
Dr. Kinley: And said I have a need to be baptized of you
Reader: and comest thou to me?
Dr. Kinley: and you come to me?
Reader: And Yahshua answering said unto
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, right here is what we're talking. And Yahshua answered. Now, Doctor Dennis Droulard has already told you that while he was on the floor. And Yahshua answered and said what?
Reader: Suffer it to be so now
Dr. Kinley: Permit it or suffer it to be so now
Reader: For thus it becometh us
Dr. Kinley: For thus it becometh us
Reader: to fulfill all righteousness.
Dr. Kinley: Now right there is where he got in trouble. And all he told the man was what was in the Book. Said, 'Yes, but He instituted Christian water baptism.' That's not in the Bible. Now that's what He told John, suffer it be so now because it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Now fulfill is what I'm talking about and that's what he was showing Moore. And Moore got busy, got ready to go. Now you just read there about what Yahshua said. Now look at the fifth chapter and take the first and second verses and then skip on down to the 17th. Now listen folks, pay attention, cause this is what's happened: you've been deceived all your life. You don't know what it's all about. Alright, read.
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Reader: And seeing the multitudes
Dr. Kinley: And seeing the multitudes
Reader: he went up into a mountain
Dr. Kinley: he went up into a mountain
Reader: and when He was set
Dr. Kinley: and when He was set
Reader: His disciples came unto Him.
Dr. Kinley: His disciples came unto Him
Reader: And He opened His mouth and taught them, saying,
Dr. Kinley: 17th verse
Reader: Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets
Dr. Kinley: Now that man is reading out of the Bible. Now could you imagine somebody setting up, reading out of the Bible like that and then getting in trouble? Alright, read on.
Reader: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now, now are you watching the word fulfill?
Reader: For verily I say unto you
Dr. Kinley: For verily I say unto you
Reader: till heaven and earth pass
Dr. Kinley: till heaven and earth pass
Reader: one yad
Dr. Kinley: one yad
Reader: or the smallest part of a letter
Dr. Kinley: or the smallest part of a letter
Reader: shall in no wise pass from the law
Dr. Kinley: shall in no wise pass from the law
Reader: till all be fulfilled.
Dr. Kinley: Did you get the word fulfill again?
Now, let me back track. Let me go back to John 3:14 and show you on this chart what I mean. See this chart right here? Now this chart is made up blood, water, and spirit, blood, water, and spirit, blood, water, spirit, blood, water, spirit, blood and water, spirit, blood, water, spirit, blood, symbol of water, spirit, blood and water, spirit. The pattern dictates.., this is the pattern. Now we are going by a pattern, not by our imagination, but we're going by a pattern. This is the tabernacle pattern. Now here's the altar, that's the blood. Here's the laver where the water was and they had to be washed, the priest had to wash 'em before he could officiate in the sanctuary and then he had to be, he had to be, he had to be anointed with oil. That same thing running down here ____. Hold it tight, tight right there. In Matt.., Isaiah 28:9 and 10. Now you look up here, look up here folks. Now we're not kidding you, we're trying to tell you the truth about the thing and you're gonna have to obey if you wanna be saved. That's talking plain. Alright read, read that part there. In Isaiah.
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Reader: For precept must be upon precept
Dr. Kinley: precept must be upon precept
Reader: precept upon precept
Dr. Kinley: precept upon precept
Reader: Line upon line
Dr. Kinley: Line upon line
Reader: line upon line
Dr. Kinley: line upon line
Reader: here a little
Dr. Kinley: over to the law a little
Reader: and there a little
Dr. Kinley: and over to the prophecy a little and on to the fulfillment. It's already, the purpose of Yahweh is already been instituted. There will be no institute, in the fulfillment now. Isaiah 46:9 and 10 says that, says so. 'Now what are you saying that for?' Let, let me show you first. Now this, this line here is all blood. This is the pattern, this is what I have to go by. Now look, this has got to be in all ages. It's got to come from here, from the creation of the world. Do you see how this is divided in one, two, three sections. One, two, three. One, two, three. Now here's, here's the.., what you call the godhead: pure spirit, and just forget all about this ____, writing and all sitting here, and this is that. ____ This is a cloud denoting pure spirit. Then He takes on a shape and form, the shape and form of a man. That's still spirit. And He can only be seen in visions. Then He comes on down, takes on a physical body. Pure spirit, the physical body, incorporeal or a spiritual embodiment and then the physical body. That's one, two, three. It correlates and corresponds to the pattern or the tabernacle. The Most Holy Place, the Holy Place, and Outer Court. And that's.., you see this whole entire thing, everything is made up that way. Now this is what I'm trying my best to tell you: that the universe in its totality and everything in it, and to use the phrase the godhead and all is three-fold. It is not three distinctive individual personalities. Somebody say's, 'Well, who said that?' Well read. Pay attention now. I never said nothing about where to read.
Dr. Harris: Deuteronomy 6:4
Dr. Kinley: See now did you hear me say anything about Deuteronomy?
Dr. Harris: 6:4. Hear, O Israel,
Dr. Kinley: Hear O.., He's.., Hear, O Israel
Dr. Harris: Yahweh our Elohim
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh our Elohim
Dr. Harris: is Yahweh a unity.
Dr. Kinley: is Yahweh a union. Yahweh is trinity.
Student Body: No.
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Dr. Kinley: Look, now we can get as stupid as we wanna be, but each one of these parts and all is united together and it makes up one embodiment. That's a unity, not three distinctive individual personalities. Now in Romans 1:19 it says, now listen, the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal nature or it says...
Student Body: Eternal power,
Dr. Kinley: Eternal power and ah
Student Body: Supernal Nature.
Dr. Kinley: the supernal nature or the godhead. So that you, you just don't have no excuse to be ignorant. And listen Yahweh after going to all of this trouble in making everything to conform to Him, He's not gonna buy your ignorance. Just not gonna buy it. Somebody said, 'Well so and so...' I don't give a damn about that, so and so he don't know what he's talking about, cause ____ ____. Yahshua the Messiah...
I'll repeat to you what He said to them Jews in the 23rd chapter of Matthew. Now we do think that. He walked right up to 'em, He said, 'you serpents, you generation of vipers, how shall you escape the damnation of hell?' Told them right to their face. When He first went the ministry He said, 'I didn't come to call the righteous but sinners unto repentance.' And when they sought to stone Him for telling the truth, He passed through the midst of 'em for three and a half years. Then He said, 'You won't see Me no more until ye say, blessed is He that comes in the name.' He said He come in the name, He said, You won't see me no more, behold your house is left unto you desolate. Talking about the temple there.
Now everything in the ____ was purposed. And if you don't accept Yahshua the Messiah as being the Sa.., I'm not talking about your physical person saving. That ain't it. No indeed. No indeed. Everybody... That's the reason why it don't make no difference about how black or how white or how red or how yellow you are. That's just.., flesh and blood just don't enter into it. It don't enter into it.
And this is something else important here I think I should say right here, and that's this. Now, remember now, I'm telling you Freddy, you are cursed. Roger, you are cursed, unless you accept this Yahshua the Messiah, headed for the Lake. Somebody said, 'well look here, I've done..., I been...' I said, no, you ain't gonna find nothing unless you accept Yahshua the Messiah. He is the only one, there's nothing else in heaven or on earth.
And let me give you this verse. I wish I had brought that book. I brought it last Saturday I think it was. Printed by the Black Muslims. It said that Satan is coming. The honorable Elijah Mohammed and ____ Mohammed saw him ____ ____ ____. Now listen here, I want you to get something straight. Elijah was a prophet. Now I'm not talking about Elijah, so-called Elijah Mohammed, I'm talking about Elijah back here in the scriptures. He prayed out there in front of them false prophets. Now
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that's what I'm talking about. This one man is talking about Fas Mohammed and this other one's honorable Elijah Mohammed up here. Here's the cardinal point I want you to see now, get over here in first Corinthians, leave where you are and get over in first Corinthians. And I wanna show you that Paul said, what Paul says about it. Now Paul was an a..., or Saul was an apostle. Peter was an apostle. ____ ____ ____. And this is what he said.
Dr. Harris: 1st Corinthians, first chapter, 12th verse.
Dr. Kinley: Look and listen. Let the thing soak in.
Dr. Harris: Now this I have said that everyone of you said, I am of Saul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas, and I of the Messiah. Is the Messiah divided?
Dr. Kinley: Is the Messiah divided?
Dr. Harris: Was Saul crucified for you?
Dr. Kinley: Now, now wait a minute folks. Was Elijah Mohammed crucified for you?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Was Moses crucified for you?
Student Body: No
Dr. Kinley: Was He?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Was ____ crucified? If he was not crucified for you then you just can't be saved in his name. Now is that clear to you? Mohammed is not the savior of the world. The apostles and the prophets was not the savior of the world. Is that clear? So you just put that stuff in the trash can. Now then, they're not the only one. They're not the only one. We've got some others that's said that too. What's his... Bahaullah. He was the lord and savior. The prophet Bahaullah of the Bahai faith. You got all that stuff that's wrong. Now Yahweh sent me to tell you people, to tell you the truth about it. And I don't mind telling you the truth and suffering for it too. I have already suffered for it. I don't mind dying for it. And you can't, you can't ____, you can't dodge this bullet. Alright.
Now do you see, do you see what the scriptures says. He was not, he was not crucified for us? Now listen, the Mohammed that they're talking about was around 632 AD. That's way after the show is all over with. That's AD, in the sixth century. And they're saying that he was the one that the, the prophets were saying was to come. Now ____ for your ____. I think it's the 16th or 17th chapter of Matthew, where the disciples asked, asked Yahshua the Messiah, said, why do the Messiah ____, that Messiah must first come or Elijah must first come. Why.., either in the
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16th or 17th chapter or 17th chapter.
Dr. Harris: 17th chapter and the first verse.
Dr. Kinley: 17th chapter. I thought it was the 17th chapter. He's coming down from the Mount of Transfiguration.
Dr. Harris: And His disciples asked Him saying, Why then say the scribes that Elijah must first come?
Dr. Kinley: Now the scripture said that He had to, first, come first. Now I could tell you this. Why would the scriptures say that He had to come first? He ____ from down here. Why do the scriptures say that? Was because Moses had to come first. And Moses had to come first here, then John the Baptist, who was the Elijah that you're gonna read about, had to come first. Now read.
Dr. Harris: And Yahshua answered and said unto them, Elijah truly shall first come and restore all things.
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see that now? Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: But I say unto you,
Dr. Kinley: But I say unto you,
Dr. Harris: that Elijah is come already,
Dr. Kinley: Now do you hear that? That Elijah is come already. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: and they knew him not
Dr. Kinley: They didn't know Him and they still yet don't know Him. Didn't know either one of 'em. Didn't know the Messiah, and neither did they know Elijah. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: but have done unto him
Dr. Kinley: have done unto him
Dr. Harris: whatsoever they listed.
Dr. Kinley: whatsoever they listed.
Dr. Harris: Likewise
Dr. Kinley: Likewise. Just like that.
Dr. Harris: shall also the Son of Man suffer of them.
Dr. Kinley: Now John the Baptist was put in prison. Oh, I wish I could just show you a thing or two. I just don't have time to show all of it in these two hours, I wanted to give you a break to ask questions. But now Elijah had to first come, because Moses had to come first back here. Somebody says, 'Well, was there somebody before Moses?' Yes. All the prophets prophesied in the age before Moses. Enoch the seventh from Adam prophesied. And he prophesied about this. That was before Moses. But you know what the problem is there? He never wrote about it. Moses is the only one that wrote. Well somebody, 'Well, why didn't Enoch write? Why didn't he write?' He didn't see the creation of heaven and the earth and so forth and so on. Now how's he gonna write about it?
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Moses saw it in a vision. And he told you about it in a vision. He's looking right at it. He's looking right at Elohim create the heavens and the earth, come on down, day by day in logical sequence. That's what you got in the first chapter of Genesis; and looked right at Yahweh create Adam. He looked at him. He saw it in a vision and then he put it down. You, you, you can't say, 'and He created the man in His likeness and image.' You can't say that unless you've seen it. Let me just show that, here with water on down. And he saw it all and he saw him in operation. Alright.
Now listen to that now. Whoever it was that was crucified for you, just any and every body won't do. Now why won't someone else do? Well, I'll tell you why. Because this one was the Messiah that was prophesied to restore man's life to Him, knowing that what He's gonna do in the declaration of the end from the beginning, knowing what He's gonna do, He prepared a sacrifice before He made him, the man. Declared the end from the beginning. Now since it said He declared the end from the... That's all that's just happening, just fulfillment, just a fulfillment of that that He declared from the very beginning. Do you understand?
Now here you are, you sit down maybe this week. Doctor Harris has an itinerary made up, where he's gonna go and where.., what time he's gonna do this, that and the other, and visit the other schools. Got it all figured out. Is that right?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Then each day in logical sequence. Now this man had to do that and other people are smart enough to do that. Why would you think that Yahweh has got a whiff of something happening and you got to pray and tell Him all about it and you worry about Him doing it. See it.., what you have been doing, you have false lords. I wouldn't say nothing like that. You can't tell me what's, what's happening, and what's going on. Now this is what people have said. Now listen at what I'm gonna say. They said that God tried to set up His kingdom from Adam back here and had to postpone it, because this, that and the other happened. Come on down and try to set it up the whole thing and had to postpone it and all you been doing is postponing, til down unto the present time. ____ ____. And Jehovah’s witnesses is stupid enough to say that He's coming, jumped down out of the sky too, now mind you, and set up His kingdom down here on earth. Well, ____ never ____ ____. Yes indeed He sure has gone to heaven. Now I meant that just like I said. ____ ____ ____.
Now I want Doctor Harris to read to you. Now you remember now. I want you keep the continuity of thought: that Doctor Harris is telling the priesthood, not Roman Catholic, but the priesthood of the Anglican church, Moore, assistant to Michael Ramsey, Archbishop of Canterbury. He's telling them that Yahshua, when He come through the loins of a woman, was fulfilling and not instituting. He didn't institute Christian water baptism. He did not institute Lord's Supper's. He did not institute foot washings, cross hanging and mountain climbing. And that man got mad and wiped that smile off of his face and had a frown on it, and Doctor Gross, I never seen that before in my life, in the whole 40 some years that he's been with me, he shook his finger in your face. Never seen that man act like that and he got
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his ____ with him. Just the same he went on out from there. Now here Michael Ramsey's retired and here comes up a man taking his place. Would you mind reading, Doctor Harris.
Dr. Harris: The caption is, "He Took His Time on the Road to Canterbury." Prime Minister Carl Wilson offered him a job nine days earlier, but I took four days to make up my mind. I wanted time to stay in my prayers and speak to my wife, said the Archbishop of God, the Most Reverend and Right Honorable Frederick Donald Coggins. He will succeed Doctor Michael Ramsey, the Archbishop of Canterbury, who is retiring November the 15th, as spiritual head of the 64 million member Anglican congregation throughout the world, including the United States. Doctor Coggins, 64, who will be the 101st Archbishop of Canterbury, Canterbury, the first was Saint Augustine in 597, said he intends to wage a campaign against the appalling destitution in the cities and against permissiveness. I believe we shall only have a happy society when we start living by some rules again. There is a lot to be said for reinstatement of the Ten Commandments.
Dr. Kinley: Now if you won't mind giving me this microphone. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now listen on up. The reinstatement of the Ten.., now anybody in this building, they are just simply not that stupid if you ever been here before, to know that the Ten Commandments were given to the Children of Israel or the Jews back here under the law. Now what he wants to do is to carry you back to the Ten Commandments and straighten out the world. And here Yahweh said in the 31st chapter of Jer.., of Jeremiah that the Old Covenant.., and since this commandment was given back here. Now I'd like to explain that, too, by saying these commandments that were given back here were contained in the ordinances, carnal ordinances predicated upon that. Do you know what I mean by that? I mean predicated upon natural things, now listen at me, natural things to point to spirit. That's why Adam is made up there three-fold; that’s why ____ was made up three-fold, that's why this migration of the Children of Israel: Egypt, the Red Sea dividing, the Wilderness of Sinai, the Wilderness of Sinai, the River Jordan, and then on into Canaan's Land. One, two, three. The pattern is one, two, three. This is a figure of the Godhead itself. The Court, Out.., outside or the head, and the chest cavity, and the abdominal cavity. One, two, three. Now if you look around the wall, everybody, that's all you can see, nothing else but that. Now Yahweh fixed it up that way. Now you pay attention to what I'm telling you. Yahweh fixed it up that way so that you can't do a thing with it. Now the devil don't know nothing about it. And listen, the devil don't know nothing about it and is always trying to ease up on something. He don't know what it's all about and if this man here knew anything at all and understood anything at all about it, that Yahweh is
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Dr. Kinley: Yahshua the Messiah and move this Old Covenant that was made with the Jews only, so that the New Covenant could be put in a man's heart and in his mind and walk in His statutes. Now he's talking about going back to this old one. Do you see how stupid it is? I wanna know whether you understand what I'm talking about.
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Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Anybody in here don't understand, hold up your hand.
Now that brings me up to this. That brings me up to this. Now here's the heart. Revel.., 18th chapter of Revelations. I ain't gonna let up on it. That angel flying through the midst of heaven. Now we tried to bring you down through Babylon, down to Medes and Persians. Now listen folks. Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, all of it is confusion. Do you see that man up there, way on back there in the ages in confusion, and he hasn't actually taken his seat yet as the Bishop of Canterbury in England, and head of the Anglican church. Roman Catholics are doing just these things over here. They already ____ and their church is falling apart. Pope Paul is the antichrist. Now I wanna tell you about that. Now Doctor Dennis read something out of the paper there. Before you read that, Doctor Harris, about that. But look at first Timothy the fourth chapter and start at verse one. I wanna show you what's going on. I wanna show you it's in the Bible. Yahweh knew the thing was gonna happen like this.
Dr. Harris: Now the spirit speaketh expressly
Dr. Kinley: Now the spirit. Now it didn't say Paul says, it didn't say Paul was speaking, it didn't say none of the apostles, it didn't say none of the prophets, say now the spirit speaketh expressly
Dr. Harris: That in the latter times
Dr. Kinley: that in the latter times
Dr. Harris: shall depart from the faith
Dr. Kinley: now some shall depart from the faith,
Dr. Harris: giving heed to seducing spirits
Dr. Kinley: giving heed. Now, listen. Now listen to what I'm telling you. Giving heed to seducing spirits
Dr. Harris: and doctrines of demons
Dr. Kinley: and doctrines of demons
Dr. Harris: speaking lies in hypocrisy
Dr. Kinley: speaking lies in hypocrisy
Dr. Harris: having their conscience seared with a hot iron,
Dr. Kinley: He knows he’s lying. His conscience is seared with a hot iron. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: forbidding to marry
Dr. Kinley: Forbidding to marry
Dr. Harris: and commanding to abstain from meats,
Dr. Kinley: and commanding to abstain from meats,
Dr. Harris: which Yahweh
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Dr. Kinley: Hold it Doc. Forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats. Do you know anybody that's doing anything like that? Who's doing these things?
Student Body: The Roman Catholics.
Dr. Kinley: Then saying.., they commanding forbidding to marry. Now here's what the Roman Catholics say. They say that they must.., you mustn't marry anybody outside the Roman Catholic Church. But just in case you do, then you must, by oath, promise to raise your children in the Roman Catholic Church; in other words, that lying bastard, talking about him, is negotiating for a soul even before it is taken in fold, making you promise that you're gonna raise your offspring in the Roman Catholic Church. And forbidding you to marry and commands you to abstain from meats. They would eat fish on Fridays and Doctor Dennis just told you that they got away from that, but the damage is already done. Read on.
Dr. Harris: and commandeth to abstain from meats which Yahweh has created to be received with the thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of Yahweh is good and nothing to be refused if it be received with thanksgiving, for it is sanctified by the word of Yahweh in prayer.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now what I'm trying to tell you is this: everything that Yahweh created is good and should be received with thanksgiving, but they set you up a dietary regime: eating fish on Friday and fasting. 'What's the matter with you?' Face all tore up, stomach just hurting in pain, hunger pains. 'What you doing?' Says, 'I'm fasting.' Face all tore up. Said, 'Why you doing this?" 'Jesus said that this power comes by fasting and prayer and casting out devils,' demoniac spirits.
Now look folks, we're the ones that are fasting. We're fasting. Now what do you mean when you say, 'we're fasting.' You just got through saying you're having hunger pains. Well here's how we're fasting. We're fasting from eating the Lord's Suppers, and these carnal ordinances and just eating all I can stand. Someone told you, 'the doctor said, don't put on any more weight.' Now that's, that's eating a belly full and fasting. See the point? But now we're partakers of the spirit, but we abstain from these carnal ordinances in keeping them as the commandments. And look folks, listen now, none of 'em wasn't, it wasn't no Lord's Suppers given to no Gentiles. There ain't nothing like that in no Bible. Now then, back to Revelations.
Dr. Harris: After these things I saw another angel come down from heaven
Dr. Kinley: Now look here, here's something I wanna tell you about Revelation and Genesis. A lotta folks don't know what I'm fixing to tell you about Revelations and Genesis. The Genesis means beginning. And Revelation means that we're talking the meaning of Genesis. Right? (BELL RINGS) Oh, oh.
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Now look, I heard the bell. But now look, listen at this now. Now John said after this I saw. He didn't say the next day. And if you read Genesis, carefully, the first chapter of Genesis, and he said.., Moses tells you about each day in logical sequence. The sun was rising and setting. And each day as it come around, it and repeated itself. Moses was in the realm of eternity, where there was no day and was no night with him in that realm. And John looks back and sees this on the Isle of Patmos and he said there was no light there. And if you listen in Genesis 1:1 he said, and the evening and morning was the first day; in other words, right where the night is, that was a day to Moses. In logical sequence on through those seven days.
Now folks I'd like to know this. If you're going pay attention and you're gonna go by what the Bible says, Doctor Harris just got through reading this Revelation where I... 'That's ____, I can't believe that.' And he said, 'plan on spending two or three minutes on it anyway. Read.
Dr. Harris: and after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven having great power and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Dr. Kinley: That's ____
Dr. Harris: And he cried mightily with a loud voice
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, listen folks. You just might as well get this straight Roger. There ain't no sense in you being hard headed. You can't get by. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: And he cried mightily with a strong voice saying,
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: Babylon, the great, is fallen
Dr. Kinley: Babylon, the great, is fallen
Dr. Harris: is fallen
Dr. Kinley: is fallen
Dr. Harris: and is become the habitation of demons
Dr. Kinley: and has become the habitation of demons
Dr. Harris: and the hole of every foul spirit
Dr. Kinley: and the hole of every foul spirit
Dr. Harris: and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird
Dr. Kinley: and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Now I showed you those physical things back there, they're all throwing down and now the spiritual kingdom. And now they have become the cage of every foul and unclean bird. There's a Roman Catholic bird, there's a Baptist bird, there's a Anglican bird, there's a Methodist bird, there's a Church of Christ bird, there's a Church of God bird. Got you all caged up. And this angel is flying through the midst of heaven says all of them is in confusion, they don't know what the hell is right. And that angel flying through the midst of heaven saying, come on out of her that you receive not of her plagues, that you be partaker of her sins and receive of her plagues. 'What are you talking about, Doc?' I'm telling you that lying, hypocritical bastard sitting right up there in the church telling you to partake and eat. Telling
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you that water.., Jesus said He instituted Christian water baptism. Nothing like that in no Bible. And you're gonna have to get up and get out of them churches, that's what I'm telling you, cause it ain't nothing else but confusion. The Baptists don't agree with the Methodists. The Roman Catholics don't agree with the Protestants. Judaism, Orthodox Judaism doesn't agree with Christianity. And you're gonna have to get up and get out of 'em. Jehovah's Witnesses and everybody else. If you stay there, you're lost. And they said, 'I don't believe it.' You see it. You'll see it if you find out for yourself. You can't stay down there with reverend so and so. Yahweh's saying to them, Come out of her. 'What for?' That you be not partaker of her sins and receive of her plagues. It's a sin and a disgrace to stand up here and think that somebody can prayed over some crackers and grape juice and it becomes the body and blood of the Messiah. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____, damnable lie like that. And there gonna be a partaker of it.
(TAPE ENDS)
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
audio cassette recording received from Lamar Greer (#42D)
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 74.0622
transcribed by Marilyn Kimmie
first proofreading: by Daniel Szuba
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fourth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable.
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
Dr. Kinley: The things that Yahweh has shown to me, tried to impart them to you.
Now this meeting tonight is a little bit different. We wanna talk about the purpose of Yahweh and how it's carried out down through the dispensations and aged (ages?). And we have granted you an opportunity to ask questions. Now it's not my fault that you don't ask 'em. And I'm gonna make this good and clear. We'll cut this out if you don't take advantage of the opportunity. Now I've asked, different ones that I've asked to now stop and said, 'do you understand, do you understand this, do you understand that, do you understand the other?' If so why.., if not, then hold up your hand. Let us know something about it. Nobody said anything. Then when they go out from here, they say, 'well, that man, I didn't understand a thing he said.' Now that's not beneficial. Now the older people in the class have listened, have done me this kinda of a thing. They would.., I would say something and they would go downstairs and say and tell the other fella what I meant by what I said. Now if I don't have sense enough to say what I mean and mean what I say, I haven't got no business up here. That's all there is to that. Again I wanna say this: I'm not mad with anybody. I am pleased about your situation and condition.
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Did you hear what was said there in the 23rd chapter of Matthew. Now that is what you might call an ecclesiastical, diplomatic cussing out. Now if I say anything like, somebody's hot with me. And that's all you got out here. That's all you've got. Robbing you of your soul and your money. And then some of the so called big shots of other churches that come here and heard us explain different things in the Book such as the Lord's Supper and then they turn around and say, 'well, Jesus said as often as you do this, you show forth my death and suffering til I come.' Which what they mean by that is he's telling 'em to continue to do that, and yet and still you call it the Last Supper. Now I have a warning for you. Now that warning is this: now that's not going to help you. It won't help a bit for you to go arguing with this purpose of Yahweh. It's His purpose, it's His plan, His devil and everything else. And He's got him under full control, and there isn't anything happening outside of His purpose. That's all that matters. Many false teachers, nothing new about it at all. They always have been all down through dispensations and ages. Now the results of that are the denominations and sects and cults that you have out there. You can't deny that they are there. And there's nothing new about that.
Now this is a great big mystery. And you need not expect to come down here and sit down here for two hours or hardly that long and understand all of the basic and fundamental principles of the purpose of Yahweh. Now that just is a matter of impossibility. Now I don't care how smart you are or how much education you got. And I want it understood that I am on your side. I am not against anybody in this building, and all of this is for your benefit, not mine.
Now so far as me and my individual part is concerned, I've seen a vision and a revelation. I talked with Yahweh and the angels. Somebody said, 'now don't you know I don't believe that.' I come here any how. Then somebody said, 'well prove it.' There's the proof all around here. This school is forty three years old. And we've got 'em out of any denomination you wanna talk about. Don't make no difference what it is. One said, 'well you ain't got nobody out of Jehovah's Witnesses.' Yes, we have. They say, 'well they didn't understand the teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses.' No, they said they just didn't.., the Jehovah's Witnesses don't know what they're talking about. And we've got 'em right here. You name it. We've got 'em out of the Roman Catholic church, any church you can think of. Got 'em out of the black Muslims and the Klu Klux Klan and everything else. I'm telling you just like it is. And we've got some men here in this school just as smart and wise as anybody in the world, believe it or not. And we've got 'em out of almost every vocation you can think of in this world. And this school is the only place that you can go and actually find out anything at all about the truth. And you might, you might say, 'that's what you think.' But no, that's the.., it's the truth.
Now let me tell you a little something about it. Now, what is taught in this school is predicated upon the vision and revelation that Yahweh showed me in 1931. Now I don't say that I'm a prophet. I don't say that. But ever since 1931 every major event that has happened in the world of any consequences, I told you in advance about it before it happened. And told you if it don't come to pass just like I said it, by my watch on my arm in the day I said it would be there, don't.., forget about the school, don't come back here no more cause it won't be.., ain't nobody
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done no better than that. And you don't know nobody on earth that's done any better than that. People have been healed of all kinds of disease and we got medical authorities to prove it to you. Their testimony is there. So you can't do no better than that.
And I wanna say this. Now I can't heal nobody. And if I could, I'd heal my own self. So you must know then that it must be Yahweh, not me. Now this body I have and the one you got is Yahweh's and He can do with it what He pleases. How about that? Now what you're doing is just kidding and fooling your ownself, when you refuse; and then some of 'em have been here and said, 'you know one thing, I could have told him something.' I've been challenged before and we've had plenty preachers right up here, Jehovah's Witnesses and every other kind of thing you can think of: Roman Catholics, Protestants and out of any church you wanna mention stand right in the pulpit. There ain't never been nobody up here in 43 years. Now how about that? I went to the sixth grade of elementary school. I didn't go to school so's to speak. I didn't get to college. I did not attain a formal education. I talked to 'em that had PHD degrees, doctors and psychologists and just any... You name it, I taught 'em. Now how about that? Ain't a one of 'em got by with nothing. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Now here's what I'm trying to tell you. Now that proves conclusively that Yahweh has given me a vision and I'm trying to show it to you, make you understand it. And it's all for your benefit. There's no sense in you being deceived. And I realize that I can't tell you everything in no, in no, in no hour and a half or two hours. I can't do that, and you can't learn it in that time. And you have to come back. And one of the first things you think is this: you get all hot because I have told you something contrary to what you thought and believed and was taught. Now if I can't tell you something better than what you been taught, there ain't no sense in you coming down here. This is a school. Then if I tell you something contrary to what you been taught, and then give you an opportunity to contest it, and you don't take advantage of it, now whose fault is that? Am I getting it over to you? Am I getting it over? Now you can't go down to the library and get no books, there not down there that can explain the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy and the infallibility of Yahweh and His eternal purpose through the dispensations and ages. You can't do that. How about that? You can't study up on it.
I told you in this school things that you've looked right at it and didn't know what they was. Looking at 'em all your life. One of 'em is you looking at yourself. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. And we have 'em in here that studied physiology and anatomy, medical doctor. Now we don't, we don't try to tell nobody how smart we are. I told you I was the champion of the idiots and was abreast with intellectuals. How about that? Do you mind me being a champion of the idiots. That, that oughta make you smarter than me. Now what, now what are you kicking about? And if I tell you about those that are condemned and are going to the Lake for the false teaching and things that they do and then you get mad cause I'm trying to wrestle with you to help you save your soul. And then you get mad about that.
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Now I'm forty three years old in this and fifteen years before I was assistant pastor in the Church of God. Now you can't tell me nothing about your doctrine. For example, we've had Baptist up here in this pulpit. For the most part, the most of you have heard me say this. You show me in any chapter, the chapter and verse in the Bible, anywhere in it, it doesn't make me no difference. You've got the Kings James version of the Bible, it's got Lord, God and Jesus Christ in it. You got the Holy Name Bible, got Yahweh, the Son and Yahshua. The father, the Word or Son, the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, that's not it. Adonay (Adonai?), that's not it. Allah, that's not it. Just disregard the purpose of Yahweh.
Now I want you to show me in this Bible, read it to me in this Bible, where Yahweh or any of these names that I have called or any deity that you know anything about that's mentioned in the Bible ever said anything in the history of world about a Gentile getting baptized. I want it read. I'm talking about in physical water. How does it happens you can go out there in them other churches and they can read it out of there and you can't read it up here. Well now since you can't read that, maybe I'll give you one, a easier one, it's all in the same category. You show me where He ever said anything in the history of the world about a Gentile eating the Lord's Supper or the passover supper. Show me. Read it to me, I never read it. Show me. I'll give you another one. Anything in there, where any of them that I've mentioned ever said anything about Gentiles washing feet. Then I'll tell you that these hypocrites out here that, now you, ain't no need of saying nothing to me, 'say you ought not to be running around calling people hypocrites. If you was humble and like you oughta be, you wouldn't be cursing out everybody and calling them hypocrites.' Why don't you jump on Yahshua the Messiah whom you say you believe.
Now I'm gonna tell you the facts in the case. It is Yahweh's responsibility to send you somebody that knows something about the purpose, to tell you the truth and explain to you. That's His responsibility to do that. And when he sends somebody, you just read it there, where when He did send 'em, what they did to Him, put them to death. What's the difference? What? How does it happen? Well, I'll tell you this. Now you pay attention to what I'm saying. Now this is how it happens. One, is a heavenly or a spiritual. The other one is a natural or a carnal or a physical. You understand what I'm talking about? Now that warfare is spiritual. That's where all the warfare is. It isn't anywhere else but right there. Now I wanna give you something else. And I might have to have some help. You won't have to be bothered with me no more for a while after tonight. Now ain't that nice. Somebody said, 'I sure am glad of that.' (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH)
Well now look, here's another one of your problems. Don't know the difference between one dispensation and the other, and one age and the other. Don't know where to start, one age starts and the other one ends. They just don't realize, they don't understand. Now somebody is gonna have to get a chair or that one over there. Doctor Harris, can I enlist you or draft you, you're the dean. And Doctor Allen, you, you might have to, have to help me out some too on what I'm trying to do here tonight.
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Now what I'm trying to do, I trying to show you how all these errors and mistakes are made. Now, first of all, now here is the chart ____ ____ ____, with the dispensations and ages on it. Now on top of all that, now I got the man over here by the board. To draw on the board and show you, try and tell you something about the dispensations and ages. I've got the man over here to do that and here it is up here on the chart. And here's the whole thing, the creation on down and every animate and so called inanimate object in the universe. Godhead and all. Trying to show you, trying to tell you. Now if you don't take advantage of the opportunity, Yahweh is gonna hold you responsible for that.
Now, Doctor Harris would you mind drawing? Don't do nothing else but repeating what's over there. Now he can't put nothing up there on this board other than what's on that chart over there. But I'm gonna point it out to you and show you something. Now I just got through talking about water baptism. I just got through talking about Lord's Supper or passover supper. Did I? I just got through talking about foot washing. Did I? And I said that the Lord, God, Yahweh, Elohim, or Yahshua or Jesus Christ, Adonay (Adonai?), or Jehovah, nor none of them ever said a thing about a Gentile ever getting into any of this mess. And I've asked you to read it out of your Bible. Now look, Yahshua the Messiah said, I had it read, 'Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites, how can you escape the damnation of hell?' That man read that out of the Bible. We wanna show 'em what they have done. And that's the same thing that you got out there in the world.
And you won't take heed when somebody comes along and tell you these things. Well I'm just gonna tell you what the results is gonna be, you're just gonna be lost. Somebody said, 'well I'm just gonna go on and see what the end is gonna be.' It's the Lake. That's where, that's what it is. 'Now let's come on and give me your hand and let's start to heaven tonight.' All that ignorance. Say brother, what's in heaven? 'I don't know, the Angels, I guess.' Well, how would you prove that there was some angels there? 'I don't know, we're going on to see what the end's gonna be.' Well now it you can't tell nothing about the Godhead, as you call it, and you can't tell nothing about the creation, the things that He created and He went to all the trouble to make everything as it is in order to point to Himself, and then you don't know nothing about him nor yourself nor nothing else. Then you got somebody come along and tell you a big bunch of lies about it. And then you follow that. Yes, you'll be destroyed indeed. I didn't just say that. Listen folks, Yahweh is real. It is not a myth. It is not interpretation. And all I can say is just this, in the first chapter of first Corinthians, the Apostle Paul made this statement. That it is reported to him in the household of Chloe talking about the Corinthians. That there are divisions among you. And he said that I partly believe it. Is that right? Was Yahshua the Messiah, or as you call it Christ, divided? Wherefore one of you say, I am of Apollos? And another says I'm of Pet... Cephas or Peter? And another says, 'no I'm not of that, I'm of Yahshua the Messiah.' Well listen, was Peter crucified for you or was Paul crucified for you? Was Moses or Isaiah or Jer.., who else was crucified for you? That's who you follow.
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I've been wrestling with this thing for nearly 6000 years. You can't do nothing with it without a revelation. Somebody says, 'well I don't believe in revelations and visions.' Now what you just said is, you don't believe in Yahweh, but you didn't know that was what you were saying.
Now Doctor Harris has put down on that board over there... I want you to turn to the 12th chapter of Exodus. Now do you remember, I told you, I told you about the Passover. I told you there wasn't no Gentiles even invited. I said you can't take your Bible and prove it, it's not in there. I defy any man on earth to try to prove it by the Bible that He ever told a Gentile to eat a Lord's Supper. He wasn't even invited to the party. Now what I'm talking about is your preachers out there in these churches telling you that Jesus said... I know what it says in the Bible, in the 26th chapter of Matthew. I know what's there too. I know every passage that is in the Bible. If I didn't, I wouldn't stand up here for somebody to get up and make a fool out of me up here. And that's what I think you oughta do, if you can do it. If I stick my chin out, you oughta knock my block off if you know how. How's that? I got it way out there. And you are a coward if you don't take a crack at it, if you know I'm wrong. And I give you the opportunity to tell me I'm wrong. You see what I mean.
Now right here, this is from.., let's put it this way, Adam, the creation of Adam on the sixth day. Now this is what we're taught. From there down to the flood is 1656 years. Now I wouldn't tell you that not by any means, cause I know it's not. But I try my best to give you something where you can pick up and find out where to stand on it. That's down to the flood. Now this is an age this, is an age. Now from the flood... And that's 1656 years according Hastings and his wife. Now those are the leading chronologists. There's some more in the world calculating the physical chronology. If you look in your Bible, if you have a good King James version, look in your Bible. Here's one laying right here, good one. Anybody can use it if you want to. And look at the first chapter of Genesis and look up at the top of the page, and see what they say: Asher, Usher (Ussher?) and Hastings say. Now they were in agreement. And they were off. And ____ too, but they did the best they could.
Now at the top of the page there, or somewhere there, they have the chronology, 4004. Genesis 1:1. 4004 before Christ. Now what we're trying to show you now. This is what we're trying to show you. We're trying to show you 6000 years of history. Now listen at what I'm saying. Each one of these days here; this is a vision. Do you see the sun rising and setting here? See the sun up there rising and setting. Now watch what I'm gonna say to you. Now, right there on that chart right there. Just one ____, just one ____. Right here in this spot, right here. There's where Moses ____ ____. Now that's after the flood. Now he's got that right here. Now catch this one. Catch this one. Then you can.., it'll start you on the your way to learning. Now it's after the flood, 857 years after the flood ____ Moses. Now Freddy are you listening?
Fred Allen, Jr.: Yes I am.
Dr. Kinley: You sure?
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Fred Allen, Jr.: Uh huh.
Dr. Kinley: Now here comes along, after a world has been drowned out or an age is closed out, and here comes Yahweh and pick a man, almost a 1000 years deep in the second age, and carried him on back. It's got to be a vision to show him how He created the heaven and earth. And it is said that He created it in six days. Twentieth chapter of Exodus says it, remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy for in six days Yahweh created, Yahweh Elohim, created the heavens and the earth. It is that right? Now ain't that the way it reads? Now here are the six days. It's not like what they been telling you. And unless Yahweh reveals it, then you are not gonna ever know. These six days in here. Moses up in Mount Sinai in Arabia. Now that's the geographical location. After the flood 857 years after. Now are you listening. Yahweh carries him on up there in the mountain and the man was up there by himself. Wasn't anybody else up there but Moses. Up there alone and by himself. Now Freddy this is what I'm trying to say to you. Yahweh picked just a man, just one man to take him on up here in the mountain. Knocked him on out and carried him on back to the beginning of the creation and showed him day by day in logical sequence just what he done there ____. Couldn't nobody else write it but Moses. Why not? Because nobody else didn't see it.
Now you know what some of 'em tell you about that? They say it was handed down from one generation to the other. Did you ever hear tell of a family reunion? And in that family reunion, they can't go back too far, they don't know nothing much about their family tree. They don't know a thing about grandpa or great grandpa. Now here you come up here stupid enough to tell me that they could hand it down from one generation to the other. That's stupid. You can't remember nothing. Couldn't nobody else write that but Moses.
Now I want you to know this too. Enoch was the seventh from Adam according to Moses. And he couldn't write nothing about no creation. Adam couldn't write nothing about no creation. You say he's the first man, he couldn't write nothing about no creation. Why not? Why can't he write nothing about it? Because the man couldn't, he was a part of the creation; he couldn't tell you what happened five days before he was created. Does that make sense to you people? Who knows what's been before him?
And then again, after he came, I'm going back.., I'm gonna tell.., I'll move, and when I move, I will be moving. I'm talking about the pattern. But I'm trying my best to get you to see that all of this great doctrine of so called ministers out here in the world, I'm trying to get you to see they don't know nothing about it. And I'm trying to show you if you follow it, it will help you. Now, those that have been in this school for quite some time like Doctor Gross, Doctor Harris, been around about 17 years, and others: Sister Harris and different ones, Sister Farley ____ ____ ____. They understand what I'm talking about. Now here you been monkeying around out there in the ____ areas and different people and churches that don't know what they're talking about. And this is some of the things that they told you about, just what we're talking about, about the creation.
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This is what they said. They said that the first chapter of Genesis was the Mosaic account of the creation. And they said that the second chapter and on, was the Babylonian's account of the creation. Now you're look in education, look in educational books and these various different churches. Not that's the reason why I say, ain't no need to go down to the library.
Now you want me to show you a pile up in that, right quick. Alright, get the 1st chapter of Genesis, and the 26th and 27th verse ____ ____. Now I'm just talking about the first chapter and the second chapter and showing you what they said is not so. And I'm gonna show you why it's not so. I haven't forgotten I remember about the pass... Now when I say passover, look, it means more than one thing. Here's a passover. Read. Read the Book.
Dr. Kinley: And Elohim said, let us make man in our image after our likeness. Let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. So Elohim created man in his image. In the image of Elohim created he him. Male and female created he him.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's what Moses wrote. So that's it. Now did you notice it didn't say a thing there about what He created him out of. It just told you He created. Didn't tell you a thing about what He created him out of. Now Moses had to go in the second chapter and put in what He created him out of. Yahshua was back there with him. He was Yahweh incarnated in a physical body. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Read it.
Dr. Harris: Genesis 2:4. And Yahweh Elohim formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's the second chapter. Now if Moses had wrote the first and the Babylonians account of it was in the second, the Babylonians told you what He made him out of and Moses missed it. Well, what's so important about it. And why did He go and make him go back and put it in; Moses, I'm talking about. Because when the man sinned. Now told.., He said that.., He took him out of the dust of the earth and He said then to dust thou shalt return; so He had to have where he come from for you to know where he's going back to. So that's all important. Ain't that what they say out to the cemetery, Doctor Hobbs1? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Alright, I'll tell you. Now see you have to know something here.
Well we're warm. Now we're talking about this pattern. Now we got over in here in this age. This is the flood, the Noahic flood. Now you have it right there on the dispensations and ages. Now there's seven dispensations and seven ages. Seven days in the week, and there's seven months in the monthly cycle. And there's seven weeks in the cycle of weeks. And there's seven millenniums, which means thousands, in the cycle of millenniums. And there's seven ages in the cycle of ages. Seven is complete. Now you have to know all of that. You have to
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1 Elba Hobbs was a mortician.
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understand all of it.
Now, I'm gonna tell you something that the world don't see at all. Now when He made this man, Adam, He put him in the garden of Eden. You have a picture of it here. Now suppose somebody called on you to prove that. Then this is what you would do, let me turn around, turn it over here in Genesis where He put him in the Garden of Eden. Now you thought that that's gonna prove something. And as far as you know, you all got your chest all stuck out and ____ ____.
Now we tell you this: to the law, that carries you on back to Genesis, to the testimony, that carries from Joshua on to Malachi. Now you pay attention to what you read. Alright, now when you start over here at this passover memorial, see how I got the passover. He's down in Egypt. Now that was the only passover. That was the original passover. 'Oh, you're wrong, you're wrong.' They ate it as a memorial every year. And that's what Yahshua the Messiah is doing. He's keeping it as a memorial in fulfillment of the prophets that you have that in the 26th chapter of Matthew. Freddy, are you listening? You say you are.
Fred Allen, Jr.: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And I want you to know that that was under the law. Talking about Matthew 26:26, that's under the law. Now, I'm wanna tell you this too. He only ate three passovers with 'em, His disciples; but that passover was ate every year after, even when He was born and went up to Jerusalem where His family was. They went up there for the feast of the passover, I don't mean up in the temple. They ate the passover every year; for 15 hundred years that they ate that passover. And now He has eaten with His disciples. Why is that? Cause He's fulfilling this one back there. He's keeping the memorial. You see that now?
And look Freddy, after He ate the passover... Now I trying to help you and show you how you been deceived and fooled all your life, because you don't know the difference between these dispensations and ages. You don't know who ____ ____, the passover supper and all like that and water baptism and carnal or.., you don't know ____ ____. And these people out here, these satanic spirits, now you listen to what I'm saying, that devil was cast out of heaven and he came right down here in the Garden of Eden and he deceived Eve by telling her. Yahweh told 'em not to partake of the tree or not to touch it. And He told him the day you touch it, you shall surely die. Are you listening? Are all of you listening? The devil said, you won't surely die. Now the same devil is standing up in the pulpit, a demonic spirit incarnated in a physical body, telling you that Jesus said as often as we eat and we drink, we show forth His death and suffering till He come.
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SIDE 2:
Dr. Kinley: Said, 'I'm reading out of the New Testament.' And you don't know the difference between one age and the other. You didn't know it was under the law, and there wasn't any Gentiles eating the Lord's Supper, not a one. I mean from the first one on down, from this one back here, clear on down. And there wasn't anybody at the first one, ____ the last one. And that devil is telling you that Jesus said, as often as you eat... That just isn't so. And then when I come along and tell you things about Jesus said, you get all hot, all puffed up and said, 'Jesus said you ought to eat to show forth His death and suffering til He come.' Now do you know what you're saying, Freddy? You are saying that He's still laying out there in the sod. That's what you are saying. And you know what the apostle said about that in the 15th chapter of first Corinthians. Read where He washed His disciples feet. They haven't even found out about that. They don't know why he done it, I mean the Christians, Freddy. Yes, it's a washing of regeneration of course, but they don't know. If they know what that was all about, then they would have known what the passover was all about. They would have known what water baptism was all about. They would have known what the feast was all about. And all the rest of the carnal ordinances. And for your information, the disciples didn't know. Now how about that? Now you watch what he said. And you'll find out whether they knew it or not? Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: Start at fourth verse of the 13th chapter of John.
Dr. Kinley: 13th chapter of John.
Dr. Harris: He riseth from supper,
Dr. Kinley: Now He got up from the supper,
Dr. Harris: And laid aside his garments,
Dr. Kinley: He laid aside his garments,
Dr. Harris: And took a towel,
Dr. Kinley: And he took a towel,
Dr. Harris: And girded himself,
Dr. Kinley: And girded himself,
Dr. Harris: After that
Dr. Kinley: After that
Dr. Harris: He poured water into a basin
Dr. Kinley: He poured water into a basin
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Dr. Harris: And began to wash the disciples feet
Dr. Kinley: And began to wash the disciples feet
Dr. Harris: And to wipe them with a towel
Dr. Kinley: And to wipe them with a towel
Dr. Harris: Wherewith he was girded
Dr. Kinley: Wherewith he was girded.
Dr. Harris: Then cometh he to Simon Peter
Dr. Kinley: Then cometh he to Simon Peter. We're gonna find out whether Pete knows what it's all about, and the rest of 'em. Then you can translate this if you want to on over to reverend. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) And He began to wash his feet. Rose up from that supper. Now look folks, when you eat the so called Lord's Supper in your church, does your pastor rise up from supper, gird himself about with a towel and begin to wash the disciple's feet?
Now Freddy, I got something else I wanna cook in there too. I'm gonna show you what I'm talking about. You remember I said about this devil being down here in the Garden of Eden. And if you said anything to them about it, proving that this was so back here, I told you he wouldn't know how to do it other than to go back there and read in Genesis about it, that's what I said. But now He rose up and He washed.., begin to wash His disciples' feet. And what happened? What'd He say there?
Dr. Harris: Peter saith unto him
Dr. Kinley: Peter said, your so called pope. Peter said. Read.
Dr. Harris: Rabbi, dost thou wash my feet?
Dr. Kinley: Rabbi, dost thou wash my feet.
Dr. Harris: Yahshua answered and said unto him
Dr. Kinley: Now, Yahshua answered and he said unto him
Dr. Harris: What I do, thou knowest not now.
Dr. Kinley: Now I told you they didn't know what he was doing. You heard me, you're not blind. Them's His disciples. Now it looks kinda stupid for Him to gird Hisself about with a towel and put some water in a basin and get down and wash the disciples feet and then He tells 'em they don't know what He's doing. There's something there. Peter said, you'll never wash my feet. And then what did He tell him, doc?
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Dr. Harris: Peter saith unto him, thou shall never wash my feet.
Dr. Kinley: Thou shall never wash my feet.
Dr. Harris: Yahshua answered him
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua answered him
Dr. Harris: If I wash thee not
Dr. Kinley: Now if I wash thee not
Dr. Harris: Thou shall have no part with me
Dr. Kinley: Now you won't have no part with me. Have you got a part with the thing in your understanding, you eat the Lord's Supper as you thought it and did the preacher wash your feet, so that you can have a part with Him? And what did Yahshua say, what I do now... Read it doc.
Dr. Harris: Yahshua answered and said unto him, what I do thou knowest not now.
Dr. Kinley: What I do, you don't know now. Read on doc.
Dr. Harris: But thou shalt know hereafter.
Dr. Kinley: But you will know hereafter. You don't know now, but you shall know hereafter. Titus 3:5.
Dr. Harris: Not by works of righteousness.
Dr. Kinley: You must have been setting there holding that gun. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) It's not by works of righteousness which you have, which we have done. Alright, read on.
Mary Gross: But according to his mercy
Dr. Kinley: But according to his mercy
Mary Gross: He saved us
Dr. Kinley: He saved us
Mary Gross: By the washing of regeneration
Dr. Kinley: By the washing, by the washing of regeneration
Mary Gross: And renewing of the Holy Spirit
Dr. Kinley: And renewing of the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 5:22. Now I'm talking about the washing now. They say they don't know anything at all about it. Now look, Roger. Now you look right up here at it. And you'll find what I'm fixing to
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say now is in the Bible. It's in the first chapter of so called Saint John, which he's not a saint, and verse one. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word was Yahweh. And the Word was made flesh. And we beheld His glory, the only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Now the Word was made flesh. Now you listening Freddy?
Fred Allen, Jr.: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: You sure?
Fred Allen, Jr.: Uh huh.
Dr. Kinley: Okay. Now you see this, He was the Word or Son. Now it's the Word that's washed this. It's the Word that washing 'em. It's the Word that's washing them. You didn't know that then, but it's by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. Is that what you just read? Ephesians 5:22.
Dr. Harris: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands
Dr. Kinley: Wives, submit yourselves unto your husbands
Dr. Harris: As unto the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: Uh, uh. Now wait just a minute. Now read what's in the Book. Now I'm not a panty waist, read what's in the Book. Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as unto who?
Dr. Harris: The Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: The Messiah. Alright. Now you'll find out why he said that pretty soon. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: For the husband is the head of the wife
Dr. Kinley: For the husband is the head of the wife
Dr. Harris: Even as the Messiah is the head of the assembly
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: And he is the saviour of the body
Dr. Kinley: That's right,
Dr. Harris: Therefore, as the assembly is subject unto the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: Therefore, as the assembly is a subject, is subject unto the Messiah
Dr. Harris: So let the wives be to their own husbands
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Dr. Kinley: So let the wives be to their own husbands. Not somebody else's husband, but your own. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) How about that? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Is that alright?
Student Body: That's alright.
Dr. Kinley: You know they accused us of teaching free love and getting one another's wives. Say fella, I read the Bible, I can read that. I do know that much, I read that, the Holy Book. And I didn't take it lightly either. But I'm afraid you're.., about, just about to make a mistake. I'm afraid you just about to make a mistake. Alright, read on doc. I'm in a hurry.
Dr. Harris: Husbands,
Dr. Kinley: Husbands, now wait just a minute now, just a minute. Now that was kinda tough to tell the women to do that. They got all puffed up, said, 'he ain't no good.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) 'If he was any good, I wouldn't mind doing some things. He ain't no good.' Now here comes along the man. And he said, husbands
Dr. Harris: Love your wives
Dr. Kinley: Love your wives
Dr. Harris: Even as the Messiah also loved the assembly
Dr. Kinley: Even as the Messiah also loved the assembly or the church.
Dr. Harris: And gave himself
Dr. Kinley: Whoa? Whoa, now you know how you get along with one another, with one another. You know all that fussing and chewing the rag and first one thing and you do, up one with the other and go to sleep, you're all tightened up and swelled up, mouth all punched out. And if you ain't careful, somebody just decide to encourage a fight, don't carry it too far. You, you'll get your face slapped. Know how far to carry these things, cause if you don't, it's liable to backfire. And the woman see you got the advantage of her as being the stronger vessel, she's liable to pull the trigger on you. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Somebody say, 'oh no she won't do that.' Don't you trust the devil, boy. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) No, don't trust in the devil. It was once said that man looked like a fool out the garden. Adam had to fall. Trust Yahweh.
Student Body: That's right. (LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____ ____ Alright. Read on doc. Husbands love your wives, even as the Messiah also loved the church.
Dr. Harris: And gave himself for it.
Dr. Kinley: And have himself for it.
Dr. Harris: That he might sanctify
Dr. Kinley: That he might sanctify
Dr. Harris: And cleanse it
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Dr. Kinley: And cleanse it.
Dr. Harris: With the washing of the water by the word.
Dr. Kinley: Now, I just got through telling you that He was the Word made flesh, poured the water in the basin and begin to wash His disciples' feet. It's the washing of the water by the Word that He might cleanse it and that He might sanctify. Is that what, is that what you got there?
Dr. Harris: Yes sir. That he might present it to himself
Dr. Kinley: That he might present it unto himself,
Dr. Harris: a glorious assembly.
Dr. Kinley: a glorious wife
Dr. Harris: Not having spot or wrinkle.
Dr. Kinley: Don't have no spots and no wrinkles.
Dr. Harris: Or any such thing.
Dr. Kinley: Or any such thing like that.
Dr. Harris: But that it should be holy and without blemish
Dr. Kinley: But that it should be holy, and what?
Dr. Harris: and without blemish
Dr. Kinley: and without any blemishes. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies.
Dr. Kinley: Said ought, it didn't say they would, said they ought to. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Yes indeed. So ought men to love their wives
Dr. Harris: as their own bodies.
Dr. Kinley: As their own bodies.
Dr. Harris: He that loveth his wife, loveth himself
Dr. Kinley: He that loveth his wife, loveth himself
Dr. Harris: For no man ever yet hateth his own flesh
Dr. Kinley: No man ever yet hateth his own flesh
Dr. Harris: But nourisheth it and cherisheth it
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Dr. Kinley: But nourisheth it and cherish it
Dr. Harris: Even as Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: Even as Yahshua the Messiah. Now, get the last two verses. Now you watch this one. Watch this one, now don't get throwed.
Dr. Harris: 32nd verse. This is a great mystery.
Dr. Kinley: It ain't no little bitty thing. That's why ____ in the kingdom. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) This is a great big mystery. And you expect some ignoramus to understand it. This is a great mystery. And you thought he was talking about some man, and yet he's using him as a type and a shadow, but the reality of it is Yahshua the Messiah and His bride that He might present it unto Himself, but this is a great mystery. Read, let's see what he's talking about.
Dr. Harris: This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning the Messiah and the assembly.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that now, how about that?
Now look, now I brought that down, and listen now I was talking about the Garden of Eden and I was talking about the passover feast. Now talking about Yahshua the Messiah come along, fulfilled that. That's what I was talking about. He ate the supper and got up and gird himself about with a towel and washed the disciples' feet. He said what I'm doing now, you don't know but you shall know hereafter. And I carried you over and showed you the washing of the water by the Word that He might present it unto Himself a glorious assembly not having any spot or wrinkle. But this a great mystery but I speak concerning Yahshua the Messiah and the Church.
Now listen, after He girded Himself about with a towel and finished up that job. Now here he goes now. Now you remember I'm trying to tell you know that I asked you how did you prove that they.., how would you prove that this is so back here? That's what I asked. And you went fumbling around back in here in Genesis. Now wait a minute, I'll tell you, I'm gonna read it to you. I'll show you, I know what it's all about. Uh, uh. Not me. No thinking about what it's all about. Then I'll show you something ____, your ignorant preacher. Now He gird Himself about with a towel. Then what happened?
Fred Allen, Jr.: They sung a hymn.
Dr. Kinley: Now that mean's you have to come down a step at a time. I know step at a time. Every, every step, every breath He draw, I saw it. What's happening? They sang a hymn. What hymns? The Battle Hymn of the Republic?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: No that wasn't it. They sang the Song of Victory. Yahshua the
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Messiah took real good care of 'em, has already overcome the devil. He knew He was coming up out of that grave, out of that grave. And he went on out, went on out from the upper chamber there where they had the passover at. Crossed over the Brook Kedron. Now can't you see Yahweh fixing that thing, just like they went out of here and then crossed over to the Red sea. Water. And they entered into... Come on.
Student Body: The Garden of Gethsemane.
Dr. Kinley: Now I'm proving to you that this was so back here. And He's fulfilling so He's got to go in the Garden of Gethsemane. Your pastor ain't never told you nothing like that, cause he didn't know what He was doing. And when He went into Garden of Gethsemane, we got Him here, they call it the Agony in the Garden. Your commentators don't tell you a thing about why He went in the Garden of Gethsemane. And listen, the disciples, they couldn't go up in there, in the Most Holy Place with Him. He told them to tarry, here, stay here til I return again unto you. Don't come over here where I'm at. And He went about a stone's cast from ' em. And He knelt down and He prayed. What He's praying, what he's saying? How would they know what He was saying, when he's back, they're way back yonder and here He is up here? Now you want the prayer that He prayed. 17th chapter of John. Out there in the Garden of Gethsemane. Come on with it, I'm in a hurry.
Fred Allen, Jr.: These words spake Yahshua
Dr. Kinley: These words spake Yahshua
Fred Allen, Jr.: And lifted up his eyes to heaven
Dr. Kinley: And lifted up his eyes to heaven
Fred Allen, Jr.: And said Father
Dr. Kinley: And said Father
Fred Allen, Jr.: The hour is come
Dr. Kinley: The hour is come
Fred Allen, Jr.: Glorify thy Son
Dr. Kinley: Glorify thy Son
Fred Allen, Jr.: That thy Son may also glorify thee
Dr. Kinley: The hour is come. You hear Freddy, the hour is come. What do you mean the hour is come? The hour before they crucified Him and departed out of world. The hour is come. Now an hour in prophetic time with Yahweh... Now I want you to see what I'm talking about and understand what I'm talking about, then when you come to getting your eyes opened, you'll find out that you'll have to come to town to 1040.2 ____ Can't nobody come to know nothing but Him. Down at 1040. 'Who does he think he is any how?' Got his credentials. Yeah, I know a fella had his credentials one time, he was on the way down to Damascus. I heard about that fella. Did you hear about it?
Student Body: Yes.
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Dr. Kinley: (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Yes sir. Alright Now, he's out there praying, out there in the Garden of Gethsemane. And they are way out from Him. And He lifted up His eyes to heaven and He said... Now wait a minute. Hold everything. Hold everything. Now let's go back and get your pattern. Now here's what I mean, go back and get the pattern. Right here, the high priest is on the inside, burning incense at the hour of prayer. And this is symbolical of being in this part of the Garden of Eden and in the Garden of Gethsemane. And His hour has come. When the hour, right hour had come, the high priest was in the sanctuary burning incense. And what's going on? The rest of 'em was on the outside around the tabernacle praying. And the incense.., since they didn't have the Holy Spirit, the incense took the place of the Holy Spirit. And the public couldn't go in there. That's reason why they.., 'you stay outta here until I, til I...' My hour is come, that hour of prayer. The hour that He's to be offered up. The hour that He should depart. And now He's out there praying for 'em and He said, Father. How'd they know what He said? They're way off over there? I told you I had a vision and a revelation, I'm supposed to answer, answer all these questions. And I talked about a communication with Yahweh, not a word like you talked about as they're communing here, smoke and ____, but He reached down and He.., and I knew what was said. 'Man, what are you gonna do with what I showed you?' And that's what I'm doing now, I'm telling you all about it. Well now that's what is down back in there. That's His prayer out there in the Garden. 'Father,' what did you say?
Fred Allen, Jr.: The hour is come
Dr. Kinley: The hour is come
Fred Allen, Jr.: Glorify thy Son
Dr. Kinley: Glorify thy Son
Fred Allen, Jr.: That thy Son also may be, may glory thee
Dr. Kinley: That thy Son also might glorify thee. Read on.
Fred Allen, Jr.: As thou hast given him power
Dr. Kinley: As thou hast given him power
Fred Allen, Jr.: over all flesh
Dr. Kinley: over all flesh
Fred Allen,Jr.: That he should give eternal life to as
Dr. Kinley: That he should give eternal life
Fred Allen, Jr.: To as many as thou hast given him
Dr. Kinley: To as many as God hast given him
Fred Allen, Jr.: And this is life eternal
Dr. Kinley: Now yup. Hold on folks, hold right on. Have you never, you'll never remember walking in this place unless that moderator gets up here and tells you that we want you to know Him as He really is and actually exists. We ain't scared. We ain't fooling around. And we expect the devil to get hot. I've had all of that. I told you I been beat up, cussed out and drug around every kinda way. And if it wasn't true that I did have a vision and revelation, I'd look all of you right straight in the face, right straight in the eye, no sir, no not I, to tell every last one of you to, please go to hell cause I'm sick and tired of being bothered with you, but it is the Father that sustains me. And keeps me from cursing, to try one more time. And I realize that it is the Father in me. And when I see you acting a fool, getting hot,
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I think about that, just like He said when He's hanging out there on the cross. 'Come down off the cross,' said, 'you saved others, but yourself you can't save.' They were right about it too, cause that's what He come in the world to do. So He had to do that. That's what the Book said. So He came.., He had to come.., and He didn't go fighting. He said, you can't do nothing. Pilate ____, 'you offered up here?' He said, you can't do a thing about it. Well Pilate said, 'don't you know I have power to release you or to crucify you?' Why did you talk up to yourself. The scriptures had said, He was led as a lamb to the slaughter and the sheep dumb before the shearers and opened not His mouth in His own defense. See Him there, hanged out there on the tree. And they're just cussing and spitting and carrying on and acting a fool. And talked about ____ ____ over there and ____ ____ and stuff you can't say. 'We got the advantage of Him.' In that 23rd chapter of Matthew that you read. He cussed 'em out up there. And they called it just getting back at Him. You see what He said to them Scribes and Pharisees, just like I'm telling you about your hypocrite preachers out there. And they gonna show off on you. And so they said, well they'll get back at Him. He knew how to get that devil stirred up in 'em. He got to be on the cross on time. So all He's got to do is go back up there and talk to the hypocrites, just like they beat me up. Just like the Roman Catholic killed up millions. Telling on them. We got literature in our files where they threatened my life. Am I lying, Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Am I lying? They threatened my life. I ain't afraid of nobody though. Alright now. He prayed out there in that Garden of Gethsemane in that hour of prayer. They prayed every ____. The rest of 'em, there was twelve tribes around the tabernacle. And then the same case in the temple up here. They could not go in, any more so than they could go in the Garden here, they had to tarry out here, cause Adam was driven out. I didn't say Adam and Eve either, I just said Adam. 'Well, why didn't you say Eve.' Well, the reason why I didn't say Eve, she was in the man when he was put in there. She was taken out of him inside the Garden. So all that Yahweh had to do was put the man in the Garden, the woman was in him, she was right in him. So then when he drove him out, all he had to do just drive him out and there wasn't no way out for her ____. Oh it's wonderful when you understand and this Bible becomes a living reality to you and you quit fooling around here with this ignorance that you got here quoting chapters and verses and don't know what it's all about.
Alright, now He entered into the Garden of Gethsemane. And then He prayed there, and that's the 17th chapter of John, said, 'this is eternal life, that they might know,' that you might know Him. Don't we say that every time you come down here that you might know Him. We don't say nothing about knowing the pope and your pastor or old Henry C. That you might know Him. And then what else?
Fred Allen, Jr.: And Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: And Yahshua the Messiah
Fred Allen, Jr.: Whom thou has sent
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Dr. Kinley: Whom thou has sent. And it goes on down. But look, now He's hanging out there on the cross. Said, Father, forgive 'em, they don't know what they're doing. When you're cussing and raising sand and spitting or striking at that man the way he talked about and 'I been raised and born and this that and the other.' My prayer is, 'Father, just go ahead and forgive 'em cause they don't know what they're doing, they're don't know what you're talking about.' That's what I told the Black Muslims when they beat me up. I never ____. They asked me, would I come down. Said, 'why sure.' 'After we done beat you up?' 'Why sure.' 'You mean...' 'Yeah, you didn't know what you was doing, if you had, you wouldn't have done it.'
Alright. Now we got Him going into the Garden of Gethsemane, proving that the Garden back here. And He's fulfilling so He's got to in the Garden of Gethsemane. Now when we say the devil is cast out of heaven and he just wind up down here in the Garden. Now Judas was right along with Him and He knew right from the very beginning. Now watch now, listen at what I'm saying. The rest of 'em, they tarried out side, here come Judas and his gang and they skirted right on past, went right on in with the torches and lights and things, right on in the Garden of Gethsemane. Got the soldier, identified Him. They know who He was without that, but the scriptures have to be fulfilled.
I'm showing you step at a time and no preacher neither, no preacher nor you are gonna ever come to any knowledge of the truth, and fact of the matter you ain't gonna have the reality of Yahweh in you until you understand the reality of the existence of Yahweh. I told you the truth about it. You say, 'well, I believe so and so and so and so.' That doesn't make it so. I believed a whole lotta things and come to find out everything I believed was wrong when Yahweh showed me that vision. Yes, indeed.
Now, we got Him going in the Garden of Gethsemane. Now did you see how I proved that? Now they pass over and went over to the river or Red Sea and went out here. And they ate out here of the manna and so forth and so on.
Now look Freddy. Look, look, look. Now the 12th chapter of Exodus. Now we're trying to get the origin of it now. We wanna know what's on the menu. We wanna know who He's talking to and you'll please find out. Alright. 12th chapter of Exodus. Get on down there about the lamb and the goat.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh spoke unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying this month shall be unto to you the beginning of months
Dr. Kinley: Now this month shall be the beginning of months.
Dr. Harris: Shall be the first
Dr. Kinley: Now hold it right there. Now you got January the first. Ever.., you don't know that the whole thing is all messed and twisted up so bad. That's April or Abib. Alright, what else doc?
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Dr. Harris: It shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel saying
Dr. Kinley: Now just a minute doc. Why don't you try reading what's in the Book for a change. Repeat what you just said.
Dr. Harris: Speak ye unto
Dr. Kinley: Now you listen.
Dr. Harris: all the congregation of Israel
Dr. Kinley: Now does it say anything about Gentiles there, Bud? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) If it does, I wanna know something about it. Speak ye to the congregation of Israel. And then what, what he gonna say to them?
Dr. Harris: Saying,
Dr. Kinley: Saying,
Dr. Harris: In the tenth day of this month
Dr. Kinley: In the tenth day of April or this month
Dr. Harris: They shall take to them
Dr. Kinley: Or that's Abib. They shall take to them
Dr. Harris: Every man
Dr. Kinley: Every man
Dr. Harris: A lamb according to the house of their fathers
Dr. Kinley: A lamb according to the house
Dr. Harris: Of their fathers
Dr. Kinley: Of their fathers
Dr. Harris: A lamb for an house
Dr. Kinley: A lamb for a house
Dr. Harris: And if the household be too little for the lamb
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh. Now if the household be too little to consume all of that lamb, cause he's got to be consumed. Then what?
Dr. Harris: Then him and his house
Dr. Kinley: Say doc, why don't you try reading what's in the Book? Now somebody can't read. You said a lamb to a house. 'What are you talking about? So what?' They ate it in their own houses, at home. Now here you come and took it up in the congregation of the assembly. Now, just hold it right there. 11th chapter of first Corinthians and the 20th verse. I'll let you know I know what's in that script. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS)
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Dr. Harris: When you come together therefore
Dr. Kinley: Now when you come together therefore
Dr. Harris: Into one place
Dr. Kinley: Into one place. Now you see if it just can be said any plainer than this.
Dr. Harris: This is not to eat the Lord's supper.
Dr. Kinley: Now is that clear enough for you? How about that? When you come together into one place as we are here now, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. Why not?
Dr. Harris: For in eating
Dr. Kinley: For in eating
Dr. Harris: Everyone taketh before other
Dr. Kinley: Everyone taketh before the other
Dr. Harris: His own supper
Dr. Kinley: His own supper
Dr. Harris: And one is hungry
Dr. Kinley: One's hungry
Dr. Harris: And the other is drunken
Dr. Kinley: And the other is drunken. Read on.
Dr. Harris: What.
Dr. Kinley: What.
Dr. Harris: Have ye no houses to eat in
Dr. Kinley: Now, now you see how plain it is? Don't you have a house to eat in? Are you gonna to come out here in the assembly? Why don't you eat that at home? Don't you have no house? Somebody said, 'well, we're gonna do it anyhow.' Yahweh's got a place for that. Read on doc.
Dr. Harris: Or despise you the assembly of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Or despise the assembly of Yahweh
Dr. Harris: And shame them that have not.
Dr. Kinley: And shame them that don't have a house.
Dr. Harris: What shall I say to you
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Dr. Kinley: Now what shall I say to thee. Put it on me too. Put it on your pastor. What shall I say to you about it. Shall I praise you in this? I don't praise you in it? Ain't that what you got there in the Book? Read it.
Dr. Harris: What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this?
Dr. Kinley: Shall I praise you in this?
Dr. Harris: I praise you not.
Dr. Kinley: I praise you not. Now, I wanna let you know, Roger, them Jews, every last one of 'em, they ate it in their own houses. And the Gentiles, they never had nothing like.., no ordinance like that. Now that's why I stand up here and tell you, you can't read it out of no book. I know what I'm talking about. Now go on over there to the 26th chapter of Matthew and the 26th verse. You better go on up a little above that doc. Get the substance of it.
Dr. Harris: 17th verse.
Dr. Kinley: 17th verse.
Dr. Harris: Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread
Dr. Kinley: Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread
Dr. Harris: The disciples came to Yahshua
Dr. Kinley: Now hold it, now I want you to see this. I want you to see this. Said the disciples came to Yahshua and what did they say to Him doc?
Dr. Harris: Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
Dr. Kinley: I want you to know that He didn't have to tell 'em. He'd been eating with them every year, and all before them when He was a little fella. And 1500 years before He was born, they ate it. It was characteristic that they do. And here they had ate with Him, and now they knew what time it was supposed to be and they asked Him, 'where would you that we go and prepare the passover?' They already knew. And what'd He tell 'em?
Dr. Harris: And he said go into the city
Dr. Kinley: Go into the city
Dr. Harris: And say unto him
Dr. Kinley: And say unto him
Dr. Harris: The Rabbi saith, the time is at hand
Dr. Kinley: Rabbi saith, the time is at hand
Dr. Harris: I will keep the passover
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Dr. Kinley: Now hold, now you just be careful what you're reading doc. Lord's supper. You can't read. A medical doctor, graduated to practice medicine or twenty years before he was.., or some where back there. All those many years and he can't read. See that? I wouldn't wanna trust him to doctor on me like that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now, I'm just showing you how stupid the other fella is. And just show how stupid you are for following somebody around like that. Now, the reason why it's that way because this was a passover down here. Feast of the passover. Now, he can't institute nothing, all he can do is fulfil that which is already instituted. And which they had been eating for over 1500 years as a memorial. And it wasn't nothing new to the disciples and the Jews around cause that's the way, that's the way they ate it all the time. And some of 'em still do. But, they don't have no lamb, they have chicken legs. Now David3, I ain't trying.., (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I ain't trying to throw off on you, ____ ____ ____. We get along alright. ____ ____ ____. They see, they know what it's all about. And what else doc?
Dr. Harris: I will eat the passover at thine house
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: With my disciples.
Dr. Kinley: With my disciples. Now you see that there wasn't nobody there but His
disciples, and every last one of them was Jews. Now that's reason why I told you there wasn't no Gentiles invited. Do you understand that? And now He's under the law. Now, He's not under the New Testament dispensation. And He has to fulfill all of these, right here, first before it can be passed out. He's got to keep it. And now.., read on doc, I got to get out of here.
Dr. Harris: The disciples did as Yahshua had appointed them
Dr. Kinley: The disciples did as Yahshua had told them to do
Dr. Harris: And they made ready the Passover
Dr. Kinley: And they made ready the... 'Oh no doc, the Lord's Supper.' Alright. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Now when the evening was come
Dr. Kinley: Now when the evening was come
Dr. Harris: He sat down with the twelve
Dr. Kinley: Now, he sat down with the
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
audio cassette recording received from Fred Allen, Jr.
1 90 minute audio cassette
CATALOG #: 74.0920
transcribed by Marilyn Kimmie and Fran Como
first proofreading: Keith Gilkey
second proofreading: Cathy Fenti
third proofreading: Michael Rothstein
fourth proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fifth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable.
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
Dr. Kinley: ...personnel of this school to is call your attention to the things that we are doing to send this gospel throughout the world. I wanna tell you and offhanded that this is the gospel of the Kingdom that Yahshua the Messiah said would be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, now listen, and then shall the end come. Now we have told you that we have sent our book and our work to political and also the ecclesiastical authorities throughout the world. We have a returned book here from Nelson Rockefeller. Sent it back. Now this is what some of 'em do, they don't accept it in the mail. Very few of 'em have been returned to us. They say some of 'em just won't accept it, that are in the files at your vice president's ____ ____. Then we also have a letter from Philippine Islands. I haven't read it. But there is a request that I am to come ____ ____. Dr. Dennis Droulard read it, that they would like a school over there in the Philippine Islands. And it is from some of Sister Jones people, she went over there and talked with some ____ and they are interested in ____. Them islands it's about 95% Roman Catholic.
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And now the reason that I got up here tonight is this: as I've already told you that we have sent our work around the world to the political and ecclesiastical heads. And we want you to know that a lot of 'em have stole a lot of our work. They won't acknowledge that they received what knowledge they do have of it from us. And they ____ ____ could get it and look at the.., what they said there. They even use the same words that we use. The theosophical society, I believe I told you this last week, they use some of our exact words and quotations. We know the source or derivative of where they got it from. Now we're going to continue to send this on out through the world and we want you to be aware of the fact that this is the truth. And that the end, I'll call it the end of this probationary period, is at hand. There isn't anything that you can think of in the world; religious corruption and pollution, all kinds of sects and creeds and erroneous doctrines, which the apostles and Yahshua the Messiah mentioned about. Then to make the matters worse, you read there in Genesis about the condition of the earth and in the beginning of the creation, and it was.., darkness covered the face of the deep, the spirit of Yahweh moved upon the water. And Yahweh said let there be light and there was light. That amalgamation and conglomeration and darkness and chaosis of everything physical in the creation had to be organized and set in the respective position and placed. And now we have gone back into that chaosis in every respect. The water is polluted. The air is polluted. The land is polluted. Religion is polluted. Politics is corrupt.
You can't point out anything that is ____. And many millions of people now have turned thumbs down on joining any church at all. And they have, some of 'em have given up in despair in looking for the truth. And there's some of those that we have contacted and sent our literature to as I've already told you they've stole some of our literature and some of our teaching and so forth and so on, but they won't acknowledge where they got it from.
Now I told you last Wednesday night about this Ambassador College. We sent the Holy Name Bible there and we sent other literature there; such as the article on the creation, about institution and fulfillment and so forth and so on. We sent it to them. And you heard me get up there last Wednesday night, this past Wednesday night, and tell you about some of the things that was contained in this article. I didn't have you to read anything at all and I was requested to have something to say about it, read something out of these books so that you could see. And then we wanna make some scriptural reference to show you how people.., a lot of 'em will, no sooner than they hear something from me, some of 'em will steal it and try to use it, which Ambassador College has done in part. And that's one of the things that they took was this. They said that, Ted Garner Armstrong said it on TV. The possibilities are some of you might have heard him when he made the statement. He said there was many things that his father did not know and neither did he. For example or for instance, he said millions of people did not realize and did not know that Yahshua or that Jesus was back, he didn't say Yahshua, said Jesus was back here with Moses. And he quoted the 10th chapter of first Corinthians and so forth and so on. Now if he didn't know that either not until he read our literature. And so now things are said, often times when you tell 'em something, they wanna raise up about it. They wanna start some kind of a
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disputation, and they write opposing articles and say in so many words that we are wrong about what we're talking about. Not only do they at Ambassador college, but they do that every which way, all over the world.
Now I want something read out of this book. I want.., now this is called, one of the books they have that's called "The Plain Truth." Now this is what they're teaching. You see the black board is standing here and there's a man, an angel. And they're saying, 'the "Plain Truth," free, free, please take one.' And then there the stand every one and here's the stand with the "Plain Truth" and you call it updating. And this is the "Good News" that goes along with the "Plain Truth." This one is usually ____ by Ted Armstrong himself.
Now this here is got this right here. And here's another ____ here, you see articles that's written by Ambassador College. I told you last week that they're income was 53 million dollars a year. And every time that they write anything or put out anything, why then they show that they know so much about this and so much about that and so much about the other. And now we have done this religiously since the foundation of this school... And it was established because of the vision and revelation that Yahweh gave to me. And it has continued on down through the years. And we have challenged the world, I want you to realize that. I want you to know it. And this school is known all over the world. And nobody has ever come up with anything to refute and to dispute this teaching. Sometimes people get books like this and then they want to come in and show us where somebody has said we was wrong, not in so many words but by the articles that they write. Now here's one. I want this read. I want this read right down here.
Dr. Harris: we observe that he was on earth as a son of man. Believe or not, he would keep the passover just as he kept it with his disciples. Observe the feast of Pentecost and the feast of tabernacles, but this case, the Church of God has been ____ in the annual holy days are ordained by God in the time of Moses. It is another unique factor clearly setting God's purpose apart from all others. But why are these festivals still observed in this modern age of space travel and advanced technology. Here is the answer made plain from your Bible.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. ____ went on and wrote this whole entire book showing that if Yahshua the Messiah was here what He would be doing. Now I had this read. Now that is a lie. That is not so. And He would not be doing it that way.
Now the question is, there may be some new people here that don't understand, so it's incumbent upon us to explain why I said that was a lie and that it, He wouldn't be doing that, and explain it from the Bible. I had the 26th chapter of Matthew read. That was one of the passover feast. And right in that 26th chapter, He said to His disciples that night, that He would not be eating that with them anymore. That was the last supper. Now if that was the last supper, if He was here, He couldn't eat another one.
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Now, I wanna show you something else about that same thing. Turn over to the 28th chapter of Matthew and the 19th and 20th verse. And somebody get John 19 and 30.
Dr. Harris: Go ye therefore
Dr. Kinley: Go ye therefore. Now He.., this is after the resurrection and now He's talking to His disciples. Go ye therefore
Dr. Harris: And teach all nations
Dr. Kinley: And teach all nations
Dr. Harris: Baptizing them
Dr. Kinley: Baptizing them
Dr. Harris: In the name of the father
Dr. Kinley: Now He said in the name of the Father, teaching them to observe all things, baptizing them in the name of the Father. Read.
Dr. Harris: And of the son
Dr. Kinley: And of the son
Dr. Harris: And of the holy spirit
Dr. Kinley: And of the holy spirit
Dr. Harris: Teaching them to observe all things
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: Whatsoever I have commanded you
Dr. Kinley: They was to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. Now
listen at this next.
Dr. Harris: And lo
Dr. Kinley: And lo
Dr. Harris: I am with you
Dr. Kinley: I am with you
Dr. Harris: Always
Dr. Kinley: Always
Dr. Harris: Even unto the end of the age
Dr. Kinley: Now what do you think of that? I'm, I, I mean to be telling you that by His own words that He is with you even unto the end of this age. Now what he's saying here, if He were here, He would be observing... Now it looks bad and it sounds bad to people to make a statement like this: that Ambassador College, the Roman Catholics and the Protestants don't know what they're talking about. They are definitely and positively wrong. Now that's sounds bad, I know that it does.
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But it's incumbent upon us to prove it, that they're wrong. John 19:30.
Gregory Ratliff: When Yahshua therefore had received the vinegar
Dr. Kinley: Now this has been drawn out now from this supper and He's out there now to be crucified. Now when He had received the vinegar... What?
Gregory Ratliff: He said
Dr. Kinley: He said
Gregory Ratliff: It is finished
Dr. Kinley: It is finished
Gregory Ratliff: And he bowed his head
Dr. Kinley: And he bowed his head
Gregory Ratliff: And expired
Dr. Kinley: And expired and gave up the ghost. It is finished. What, what is finished? Now if He finished something there, that means that was the end of it. And He couldn't be continuing to do something that He had finished. Now what we wanna do is find out what He finished. John 3:14, Matthew, pardon me, Matthew 3:14. I want you to follow me down close. And I'm.., now what I'm trying to show you is this, the world is messed up on this. They don't know what the.., they don't know what it's all about. They don't know nothing about it. They don't know a thing about what Yahshua the Messiah was doing. Ambassador College, Roman Catholic and Protestants, they don't know nothing about it. Read.
Dr. Harris: Then cometh Yahshua
Dr. Kinley: Then cometh Yahshua
Dr. Harris: From Galilee
Dr. Kinley: From Galilee
Dr. Harris: To Jordan unto John
Dr. Kinley: To Jordan unto John
Dr. Harris: To be baptized of him
Dr. Kinley: To be baptized of him
Dr. Harris: But John forbade him saying
Dr. Kinley: but John forbade him saying. Now you pay attention, John forbade him saying
Dr. Harris: I have need to be baptized of thee
Dr. Kinley: I have need to be baptized of thee. Just a minute. Now John was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb. And yet he said, I have need to be baptized of Thee. And he was..., Yahshua was the personification of the Holy Spirit. Read.
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Dr. Harris: And comest thou to me.
Dr. Kinley: And then you come to me.
Dr. Harris: And Yahshua answering
Dr. Kinley: And Yahshua, now pay attention now. Now I'm trying to tell you and show you what is finished. See the point? And Yahshua said what?
Dr. Harris: Said unto him. Permit it...
Dr. Kinley: And Yahshua said unto him. Unto John the Baptist. Read.
Dr. Harris: Permit it to be so now
Dr. Kinley: Permit it to be so now
Dr. Harris: For thus it becometh us
Dr. Kinley: For thus it becometh us
Dr. Harris: To fulfill all righteousness
Dr. Kinley: To fulfill. You got the word. Please somebody right (write?) it up there on that board: to fulfill all righteousness. Now He was three and a half years in His ministry. Now here's the, here's the ushering into His ministry. And He's telling John, now it behooves us, not to institute nothing. Now Christianity says as this magazine says here that He instituted. And then they quote over here where we read at about the Lord's Supper. They quote the same thing that we quote in this school. They are reading the same book, reading the same thing, but inserting that He's instituting. Just contrary and backwards to what He said Himself. You follow? Alright. Read.
Dr. Harris: 5th chapter of Matthew.
Dr. Kinley: Just a minute. Now you got the word fulfill there. Now He's entering into His ministry, it said, thus it behooves them to fulfill. To fulfill what doc?
Dr. Harris: All righteousness.
Dr. Kinley: All righteousness. And then what?
Dr. Harris: Then he permitted him.
Dr. Kinley: Then he permitted him. John baptized Him. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Yahshua when he was immersed
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua when he was immersed
Dr. Harris: Went up straight way out of the water
Dr. Kinley: Went up straight way out of the water
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Dr. Harris: And lo, the heavens were opened unto him
Dr. Kinley: And lo, the heavens were opened unto him
Dr. Harris: And he saw the spirit of Yahweh descending like a dove and lighting upon him
Dr. Kinley: That's right. John saw the spirit like a dove descending upon Him. And He went straight way up out of the water. Read.
Dr. Harris: And lo a voice from heaven saying
Dr. Kinley: lo a voice from heaven
Dr. Harris: This is my beloved son
Dr. Kinley: This is my beloved son
Dr. Harris: In whom I am well pleased
Dr. Kinley: In whom I am well pleased. What else?
Dr. Harris: Then was Yahshua led up of the spirit into the wilderness
Dr. Kinley: Then. Now I want you to see that, so that, so you'll know what's going on. So you'll get out of that perplexed state of stupidity and colossal ignorance which these people have been teaching you all over the world. Now he said when He was baptized, He went straight way. Right? And then what? Into... Where did He go?
Student: Into the wilderness.
Dr. Kinley: Into the wilderness. Read on. Right there in Matthew.
Dr. Harris: Then was Yahshua led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the adversary
Dr. Kinley: To be tempted of the adversary.
Dr. Harris: And after he had fasted forty days and forty nights
Dr. Kinley: And after he had fasted forty days and forty nights
Dr. Harris: He was hungred
Dr. Kinley: He was hungry.
Dr. Harris: And then the tempter came to him and said
Dr. Kinley: And then the tempter came to him
Dr. Harris: If thou be the son of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Now if thou be the son of Yahweh. If. Thou be the son of Yahweh. Read.
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Dr. Harris: Command that these stones be made bread
Dr. Kinley: Now I never seen a preacher in my life that knew anything about them stones. I ain't never read no articles, and all the theological, theological commentaries that I ever read but everybody reads that, just like Dr. Harris is reading it. Now look, just wanna show you so that you can see what's going on. Now go back to the first of what you just read there, about John I'm talking, the third chapter of Matthew, where He comes.
Dr. Harris: Then cometh Yahshua from Galilee to Jordan
Dr. Kinley: Now then cometh Yahshua from Galilee
Dr. Harris: To Jordan
Dr. Kinley: To Jordan. Now just a minute. Nazareth is in Galilee, now that's geographically speaking. And His parents, so called, Joseph and Mary, foster parents. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) He ate that passover in Nazareth of Galilee with His parents. And listen folks, that was the last supper that He ate with His parents. That wasn't the last one that He ate with His disciples, I said with His parents. Never did eat no more with them. Now do you remember that they used to go up to Jerusalem and eat the passover. And He got lost, they lost Him rather. And He was up there in the temple arguing with the doctors and the lawyers. What you need to do is know something about what you're reading. Now listen at what I'm gonna say here. He ate that passover with His foster parents in Nazareth of Galilee. And when he came down from Nazareth, they said, can any good thing come out of Nazareth. They never heard of any good thing that would come out of Nazareth.
Now, He came on down, now listen to what I'm going say, to where Moses and them.., had.., Moses had expired before they.., after they had tarried forty years in the wilderness. And then Joshua takes them up and the River Jordan parted. Now listen at what I'm saying now. I'm telling you why He had to come from Nazareth in Galilee down the river Jordan to a specific spot where He had to be baptized. The question's why is that? Was because they took twelve stones out of the river Jordan. Here's a picture here showing it. And they builded an altar where Joshua and the Children of Israel passed and went into the wilderness of Judea after the decease of Moses, thirty three days after. And they took these 12 stones out of the river and they builded an altar, marking the place now where the children of Israel passed over the Jordan River. Now those are the stones that the devil said to Him, now if you be the Son of Yahweh command these stones to be made bread. But when they're reading it, they don't know nothing about it. The stones. They can't tell you nothing about it. Now then you noticed that He went into the wilderness after He was baptized. And the spirit of Yahweh descended upon Him. Right?
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: Now look. And that cloud overshadowed Him there when He was baptized and then that voice come from heaven. Now you look right back here and you see the cloud here. And that angel was in that cloud. And that voice. Now this is nothing else but a repeat of it. That's what He's telling John, suffer it to be so now because it becomes us to fulfill. So then they, after they ate that passover, eating it in Nazareth, then three days to the Red Sea, then three days from Nazareth down to where John baptized Him at. Them's fulfilling.
Now then Ambassador College don't know nothing about it. And then they say if He had been here, He would have been doing the same thing; which means that they don't know what He was doing. He couldn't do the same thing. If it been fulfilled and finished everything, then He couldn't continue to do it or else He would have been a liar by saying He's fulfilling.
Now He went into the wilderness. That's the reason I had you read the whole article there. And stayed there forty days and forty nights, fasting. Well then Joshua had passed over the River Jordan here and went into the Wilderness of Judea, He fasted, I mean back here with the Children of Israel. He told them to prepare victuals for themselves. Didn't say a thing about Himself. And there He was in the wilderness, fulfilling, forty days and forty nights.
Now listen here. Listen at this one now, so you don't get lost. All during that forty years, it had rained down manna. But now when they picked up the ark of the covenant with Aaron's rod in it, the ten commandments, listen, and the pot that had the manna. The priest went to the brink of the river, the waters divided there, stood up in a heap. And then they went on cross there. The manna ceased. Rained down no more bread. The manna ceased. What did they put the manna in the ark of the covenant for? They were carrying it back from where it had come from. Jerusalem was a type of heaven above, or the other side of the river was a type of where the manna had come from. Aaron's rod that budded in the ark of the covenant, it was a type of that stick or the rod of iron that would rule all nations, the rule of authority from heaven, and they're carrying it back. The tables of stone that contained the commandments that was given to them from heaven or from the cloud, they're carrying it back to where it come from.
Well why are they doing that? Now when Yahshua comes along, He's got to fulfill it. Now here's Moses and Aaron, they come up here. Oh, I'm telling you it's something else. Then if Moses and Aaron is along here and Yahshua is along here when they come up out of Egypt; which a lotta people don't even know that Yahshua was along. Now listen at what I'm gonna say. Then when they got to the Red Sea, the waters divided. They went through on dry land. They never got wet. The book, the 10th chapter of first Corinthians, now listen, said they were baptized in the cloud and in the sea, so that they went through on dry land, they never got wet.
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Now what we read about the passover there, in the 13th chapter of John, and it speaks about after supper. He got up and washed the disciples feet. And while He was washing their feet, He said to them about the washing of the feet. Peter spoke up and he said, ye won't wash 'em, and he said Yahshua wouldn't wash his feet. And so he said, if I wash thee not, you have no part with me.
Now in this book, I'm not gonna take the time to have it read, they said that foot washing was instituted by Jesus Christ. It was not back under the law, in this book. Could you find that right quick in this book, Dr. Gross, as you read it? In the, you, you, you go on with that. Now they said that the passover, it wasn't, it wasn't no washing feet at all back there.
Now if you notice, now pay attention, when they went on through here, I told you they didn't get wet here. But when they got into this mountain, now listen forty seven days from crossing over here to the mount, Sinai I'm talking about. Now this is the first trip of Moses in the Mount Sinai. He told him, told Moses to speak to the Children of Israel and give them three days, you got some water now, to clean up, to wash their, their, their clothes and so forth and so on and then themselves. Give 'em three days to wash up and clean up and gather up around the mountain and then He would speak to 'em. They got wet that time. Now here's the passover, the blood, the lamb, the unleavened bread and bitter herbs, three days in the Red Sea, then after they crossed over the Red Sea, forty seven days to the mountain. And on the fiftieth day from the mount, after they crossed through Red Sea, 50 days, Three, forty seven and then the three days to clean up that makes 50 days after they come through and 53 days from the Red Sea and then Yahweh spoke to 'em from the mount. That washing up, that cleaning up, that was physical sanctivity insurance.
Now, here is the, here is the tabernacle. Nine months after, it was.., be nine months too before it was set up. Now try to pay attention. Try to learn something. You are well blessed. I mean you are sure enough blessed to know something. Now then, here you have the blood on the altar correlating and corresponding to the Passover where the sacrifices was offered up. Then you went to the Red Sea. You got blood and then you got water. And you got the spirit in the cloud. Then here on the altar, entering into the tabernacle, then you have the laver and water in the laver. Now listen, listen now, that water.., Moses brought Aaron and his brother that.., Aaron and his sons. Pay attention now.
Now the reason why I'm telling you to pay attention, I'm showing you where he don't know a thing about what he's talking about, in this book. He don't even have a faint glimmer or no kind of an idea about it. And Moses brought them to the door of tabernacle and washed their feet, body, are you listening, and then put on them the garments of the priest. Then took holy anointing oil and poured it on Aaron's head and them which was symbolical of the Holy Spirit.
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Now here comes along Yahshua the Messiah fulfilling all of it. I didn't say instituting, you heard me, I said fulfilling; in other words, He was just repeating what was done back here, in fulfillment. And when He got to the end of it, He said, it's finished. See that? Now that leaves the Roman Catholics and Protestants in a jam. And in that article there, he.., that man is talking about what Jesus said and done in the New Testament and that is not the New Testament. And he's saying that the New Testament's teaching... it is not New Testament teaching. The New Testament's not written with pen and ink, and it's not written in no book like that, and it's not written in tables of stone.
Now He rose up from that supper and He begin to wash His disciples' feet and they complained, Peter complained about Him washing. And he said, if I don't wash you, you won't have no parts with Me, then he suffered Him. Now they said it's not.., didn't have no relation to the Old Testament at all and Jesus instituted here in the 13th chapter of John. Now He's fulfilling the law as He said He was doing. Then he's got to wash the disciples' feet at the laver. Then go on ahead and receive the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. Do you see that now? They tarried forty years in here, in the wilderness. He was in the wilderness how long?
Student Body: Forty days.
Dr. Kinley: Just a child, just any child that you have to hold almost in your arms there... I've have 'em sit, sitting right here and tell them, now just palparrot after me. How long was He in the wilderness? When I say forty, you say forty. I asked you a question, how long did He tarry on earth before He ascended? You just, he's knows now to say forty. Not wrong either. Now that's knowing what it's all about. What's that mean? That means that it is proving, listen at these words, it's proving the existence of Yahweh and His eternal purpose. That's Him proving it Himself. Proving it with, listen now at these words, with unerring accuracy, absolute infallibility. See that? When it come to using words, we can put 'em on down there. There's no question about that. Of the scriptures. And I do mean polytechnically so. Tell you why He couldn't do anything other than fulfill. Why? Because it was instituted back here in the realm of eternity. Yahweh declared the end from the beginning and then proceeded to fulfill it. He couldn't institute nothing. Did you find that article?
Dr. Harris: Yes sir. Christ institutes the New Testament passover. Now in his...
Dr. Kinley: Now just a minute. Now that's stupid. Now that's just as stupid as it can be. Christ institutes the New Testament passover. Now listen here. At this time, He's under the law. Better read. Galatians 4:4.
Gregory Ratliff: But when the fullness of time was come
Dr. Kinley: But when the fullness of time was come. Now this is His birth.
Gregory Ratliff: Yahweh sent forth his son
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh sent forth his son
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Gregory Ratliff: Made of a woman
Dr. Kinley: Made of a woman
Gregory Ratliff: Made under the law
Dr. Kinley: Now oh oh. Made under the law. For what purpose?
Gregory Ratliff: To redeem them that were under the law
Dr. Kinley: To redeem them that were under the law
Gregory Ratliff: That we might receive the adoption of sons
Dr. Kinley: That we might receive the adoption of sons. Now you see, He was under the law. The law had to stay there until it was fulfilled. He was born under the law, lived under the law, and died under and according to the law. Resurrected under the law, ascended into to heaven under the law. And ten days after His ascension, the Holy Spirit was poured out. Now listen, that was the first day, about 9 o'clock in the morning, of this present age in which we live. And now we're not under that law. What law? Don't want you to mess that up either. The law according to the second chapter of Ephesians. The law, listen now, contained in ordinances. Then what other law could there be? The Law of the Spirit of Life which is in Yahshua the Messiah, and that's what brought all things into existence. When the law spoke, or when Yahweh spoke, who is Law, then what happened? When He spoke what happened? The sign followed, the creation come into existence. Alright, read Dr. Harris. Now we're reading about this... what he said about this foot washing business. Read.
Dr. Harris: Now in his very last passover
Dr. Kinley: Now in his last... Now you hear that? See how stupid. Now I told you about two last ones. I told you about the last one He ate with His.., Mary and Joseph back there in Nazareth of Galilee. And this other one here that you're talking about, He ate with His disciples. They don't know... Are you listening? Now there weren't no Gentiles there. There wasn't none at the first one, passover. And if there wasn't none at the first one, there couldn't be none at the last one. So He ate it with His twelve disciples.
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Dr. Kinley: Now are you listening? Now we're up to this pass... this, this, this foot washing business, and this passover. Alright, read doc.
Dr. Harris: Now on his very last passover, on the very evening of his murder, Jesus left some definite and specific commands. Notice them in John the 13th chapter. Quote, and supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him. Jesus knowing that the father had given all things into his hands and that he was come from God and went to God, he rises from supper and laid aside his garments and took a towel and girded
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himself. After that he poured the water into a basin and began to wash the disciples' feet and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. Notice: This ceremony of the washing of the feet of the disciples has nothing whatsoever to do with the Old Testament observance of the passover. It was being instituted for the first time by Jesus Christ himself.
Dr. Kinley: Now would you just read there... (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now you see that? Now that's bad. Now that's bad. Now He had to wash His disciples' feet because Moses brought Aaron to the laver and washed him. Now on this chart here, you have the passover supper after the death, burial, and resurrection, and ascension and ten days after that; in other words, you have the crucifixion, the burial, the resurrection on the third day, tarried forty days and forty nights. Then He ascended into heaven from the Mount of Olives. Ten days after that, well I should say this, now He ascended into heaven on a cloud. Now listen now at what I'm gonna say. And then He sit down at the right hand of the Father in heaven. That's what your Book says. And if you don't think it's says that, well I will read it. Now I wanna show you Luther why that is. Getting up to date, up to this day. Well what's the date today anyhow?
Student Body: the 20th
Dr. Kinley: Today's the 20th.
Student: Right.
Dr. Kinley: This morning. Take it on back here in the garden. You come to class, and.., I'm just showing you folks, we know what we're talking about. Yahweh is real. He's nothing to play with. These folks have never understood nothing about it. Now here it is back here in the Garden of Eden. You'll find that He waited til the cool of the day to drive that first Adam out of the Garden; in other words, the sun was going down. I'm mean the ethereal sun in the heavens was going down and this son here, he's going on down to death, he's been expulsated from the Garden. Now these sons come down together. Now when He's hanging out here on the cross, the sun went on down at noon day. I mean the scriptures says that. Everything I'm saying to you, jot and tittle, is in the scriptures. If you don't think it's there, stick up your finger or stick up your hand and I'll have it read. Everything. Got the foot washing and every.., anything you think, I'll read, we definitely will read it to you, won't we Fred?
Fred Allen, Jr.: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: About the sun going down at noon day. Now look, here they are they're coming down now together; that is to say he died. And that sun in the sky and this son here coming down together. Then that means this, that they got to come up together. See the sun coming up here and there He is resurrecting from the dead.
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Now we talked about coming up to date. Now in Matthew there it speaks of these, these men went up there, back up there to the Sanhedrin council and told 'em that He had resurrected from the dead just like He said. They didn't want that to get out less their last error would be worse than the first. See that now? Are you following me now? Now they said, listen, they said His disciples come and stole Him away. Now what I'm doing is bringing it up to date. I mean this day. I understand this is the 20th of September, AD 70, 1974. Now then, they said His disciples come and stole Him away while those men at the tomb slept. That would have been a death penalty right there.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: But they bribed 'em and give 'em money to go out and say that, that very thing. Now look, you remember I said and I showed you in this plate how He ascended from the Mount of Olives and went on into heaven itself. That is a vision. That is not a physical man standing in cloud, you know better than that. Now look, I showed you where they went down together. Showed you back there in the Garden of Eden and how he was planted in Joseph's new tomb. Now listen, and very early in the morning, as it begin to dawn toward the first day of the week, He resurrected from the dead. Now what I'm talking about is the sun in the ethereal heavens. It's coming up. And this One here on earth is coming up out of Joseph's new tomb, resurrecting from the dead.
Then He tarried forty days, or I should say this, after His resurrection, reaching clear on back to Adam, after His resurrection, the Books says in Matthew 27:52, many of them that slept, saints, some of you.., some books have it as the King James version, but says sons that slept in the dust of the earth, rose and went on into Jerusalem. And you have it in the background right here. And they were seen of many. Therefore He said He was the Resurrection and the Life. This is proof for and proof positive that He is the Resurrection. After His resurrection, are, are you listening? You remember I went over and set down in the chair and I said that He ascended into heaven on a cloud? And that He had sit down at the right hand of the Father in heaven? Remember, I said that? And I talked about getting it up to date; your Sun in the ethereal heavens, rose this morning. That's what brought about day, and it went on and reached it's zenith in the sky and then it set this evening. So that sun rose and it set, just like the Son of Yahweh rose and set down at the right hand of the Father in heaven. Now that's up to date folks. September the 20th. It happened this morning that the sun rose and it happened this evening that it set. How about that?
Now as the high priest would go into the Holy Place, you take, you take that laver up and you take that censer, take a coal off of the altar and he would put in that censer and that censer would form, here it is here, a cloud or smoke. And he would enter in on the 10th day of October into the Most Holy Place, right in that cloud on that day. And there He would appear. And throw that blood toward the mercy seat seven times. Is that right? On the Day of Atonement.
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Now, this is what we're talking about. Now He washed His disciples feet. Now I want you to go over to the first chapter of John and read the first verse.
Dr. Harris: In the beginning was
Dr. Kinley: In the beginning
Dr. Harris: Was the word
Dr. Kinley: Was the word
Dr. Harris: And the word was with Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: And the word was with Yahweh
Dr. Harris: And the word was Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: And the word was Yahweh. 18th verse.
Dr. Harris: And the word was made flesh
Dr. Kinley: Listen now, now listen. And the word was made flesh. And what?
Dr. Harris: And dwelt among us
Dr. Kinley: And dwelt among us
Dr. Harris: And we beheld his glory
Dr. Kinley: And we beheld his glory
Dr. Harris: The glory of the only begotten of the father
Dr. Kinley: The glory of the only begotten of the father
Dr. Harris: Full of grace and truth
Dr. Kinley: Full of grace and truth. Now look, this is the Word made flesh, washing the disciples feet in fulfillment of Moses washing Aaron and them at the laver after the supper. And Peter spoke up and said, He wouldn't, that He wouldn't wash his feet. And listen now, get this one straight. He said there in that 13th chapter of John, He said to His disciples, says, you don't know what I'm doing now, but you shall know hereafter. Titus 3:5.
Dr. Harris: Not by works of righteousness
Dr. Kinley: Not by works of righteousness
Dr. Harris: Which we have done
Dr. Kinley: Which we have done
Dr. Harris: But according to his mercy
Dr. Kinley: But according to his mercy
Dr. Harris: He saved us
Dr. Kinley: He saved us
Dr. Harris: By the washing of regeneration
Dr. Kinley: Now this was the Savior, this was the Word made flesh that was washing their feet. They did not know that was the regeneration, washing of regeneration. And that's what has to happen to you. You have to be washed by the Word. What did you say about regeneration there? The washing of regeneration.
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Dr. Harris: According to his mercy, he saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing
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Dr. Kinley: ... conscience is gonna condemn you. But I'm here to tell you that everything that you do that is wrong that your conscience condemn you and Yahweh is far greater than your conscience. You're gonna meet it again. And don't you think for one minute that it's covered up and hid. We know that we got some people that say, 'well we ain't walking after the flesh.' Well we're not, but that's what they're doing is walking after the flesh, and using what is taught here or the scriptures as a cloak of maliciousness; in other words, to justify them in what they're doing. Now I'll tell you some of 'em: swapping wives, husbands raising hell with his wife, and the wive raising hell with her husband about running round after some man or some woman. You can't do that, not with what I'm talking about. If you have in you, you can't do that, what I'm talking about. And there will be no swapping wives. Yahshua the Messiah, He didn't swap no wife. Ephesians 5:22.
Dr. Harris: Wives
Dr. Kinley: Wives
Dr. Harris: Submit yourselves unto your husbands
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. Now listen, doc, if you didn't have a wife, why in the hell are saying wife. Every once in a while I have to get rough talking about this thing. And then look, if you gonna judge somebody by the natural things, I know there's a lot of you didn't know that or don't know what I'm fixing to say now. I know one that's been in the school around twenty or more years before he ever found out about it.
When the Children of Israel come back from Babylonian captivity under Nehemiah and Ezra. They had been in captivity down there 70 years. And a part of them had been down there 111 years before the others went down, the two tribes. And they went down there and married strange women. That was under the law, now. And they had to put them wives away. Now under the law, just to show you how technical it is, under the law, now if you don't believe what I'm saying, hold up your hand, cause I, we got a Bible. We will read it. Under the law, they couldn't even marry out of their respective tribes to say nothing about out of their nationality. Well somebody might say, 'well what's that all about?' To keep the inheritance in the family. But now they're running around just grabbing up this woman or that man and going on you call yourselves living, 'we ain't living under the law now,' and justifying themselves and their ways of doing it. Now let me tell you something. I'll read this if you say so. And Paul said, if, now if you were charged with having a wife, then don't let the husband put her away; and likewise, the wife with her husband. Now, he's saying there, husbands love your wives. Now we're still talking about Him washing the disciples' feet. Read.
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Dr. Harris: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands
Dr. Kinley: Wives, wives, wives submit yourself unto your own husband
Dr. Harris: As unto the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: As.., 'now we ain't gonna do that. What, what you doing writing something like that in a book. We ain't gonna do it. I got on my own pants. I'm the boss around here.' Woman, she say, 'yeah, I got on the skirt too. And I'm the wife. I was given to you for a help mate. I'm just helping you.' And all these arguments and things. Alright, read on. Wives submit yourselves unto the husband as unto Yahweh. I wouldn't ask you to hold up your hand how many of you are doing that, so don't don't... (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) No, don't do nothing like that. Put your hands down. Don't get excited, I ain't gonna ask you. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: For the husband is the head of the wife
Dr. Kinley: Now the husband is the head of the wife
Dr. Harris: Even as the Messiah is the head of the assembly
Dr. Kinley: Even as the Messiah is the head of the assembly
Dr. Harris: And he is the savior of the body
Dr. Kinley: Now he is the savior of the body
Dr. Harris: Therefore as the assembly is subject unto the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh
Dr. Harris: So let the wives be to their own husbands in everything
Dr. Kinley: Did you read there about husbands love your wives as the Messiah also loved the church?
Dr. Harris: Husbands, love your wives, even as the Messiah also loved the church and gave himself for it. That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word.
Dr. Kinley: Now you, I want you to see that now. That was the Word, the washing of the water by the Word made flesh. And that was under the law back here and he just said it was instituted by Christ, it wasn't under the law. Now if you want me to read where Moses brought him up there to the tabernacle and washed him and put the garments on him and poured oil on their head, I'll read it. You think it ain't in here. As I said when I got up here, I didn't wanna be up here all, all this, all this... I didn't want to take up this whole class, but this is a continuation of Wednesday night in showing you how this 53 million dollars for this bunch of junk, in open rebellion and dispute the Bible. Don't know thing the first about it. Now, husbands love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it that He might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of the water by the word, that He might present it unto Himself not having spot or wrinkle, but that it should be holy and without blame. That, is that almost something like that?
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Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now skip on down to the last few verses. Somebody might have misunderstood that.
Dr. Harris: This is a great mystery
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. See how you missed it? Clean clear, you didn't realize that you and your wife was a type of Yahshua the Messiah and His bride, and you can't be fumbling around. And I'll have you to know this, I want you to know this, every sin that a man or a woman commits is without the body. You don't commit sin with your body. It's in the mind, it's in the heart. It even got around to the place where Yahshua the Messiah said, I think it's about the 19th chapter of Matthew where he said it was.., some were people saying, 'well I never committed adultery with no woman.' And he said, whosoever looks on a woman to lust after in his heart committeth adultery already. And you walking around talking about the flesh, just doing anything that you can do, not realizing that that's a satanic spirit in you got you running around here like that and you're gonna catch hell too. I mean that you're gonna, you're gonna catch it in the judgement about that. I don't want you to, I don't want to be thinking nothing like that, That stupidity has got to go. It's incumbent upon us to tell you the truth, to save your soul, if possible. Alright. This is a great mystery.
Dr. Harris: But I speak concerning the Messiah and the church
Dr. Kinley: But I speak concerning the Messiah and the Church that He washed and sanctified it that He might present it unto Himself, washing by the water by the Word. You don't know what I'm doing now but you shall now hereafter for the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. Now you see that man don't know a thing about what he's talking about. You see that now? Said Christ instituted. Now we had John, Matthew 3:14 read and we showed you about how He come from Nazareth. Now here we got Him here on this chart here, we got Him.., look like this is out of context, got Him crucified before He's baptized. You have to hold your blood line, and then the water line and your forty line. Now listen. How long was he in the garden, Adam in the garden?
Student Body: 40 days
Dr. Kinley: 40 days and 40 nights. Right there somebody says, 'now I don't believe that.' Somebody come up here and put these figures down on the board. She read, Dr. Kim Clark, she read in the 26th chapter of Matthew about His hour had come. Now showing.., I'm talking about His hour had come. Now remember with Yahweh, one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day. See that? Now, if that be the case then, then if His hour had come, we're trying to find out now how long that hour was with Him. Now remember He's fulfilling. He's fulfilling. Now if he's fulfilling, now you remember He was three and a half years in His ministry. Now if He's three and a half years in His ministry, that three and a half years broken down to one day for a year would be how long? Three
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and a half years would be how long? Forty-two months or 1260 years or one thousand two hundred and sixty years. Three and a half years. That's the 42 months that you got over there. So then that being the case, His hour had come, and those thousand years expired. Now here you got one thousand.
Fred Allen, Jr.: 42 hours in the day, 1000 gives you 41.6 years.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. 41.6 years. Now, He's fulfilling. This is one hour. Now His hour is come that He should suffer. That's what, He said that. Then after He did finish, He went on out into the Garden of Gethsemane. And out there in the Garden of Gethsemane... Now these people around.., the church folks, they never associated the Garden of Gethsemane with the Garden of Eden. Now He's out there that night in that Garden. So now Adam, he's been driven out here by the angel. Gabriel. Somebody says, 'I don't see anything about no Gabriel in there, he's an archangel.' And he was one that did all of the fighting, the other one was a messenger. He meant business when he come out of that garden with that flaming sword. That's a fight. Alright, now then, here's the.., associating the Garden of Eden and just one hour Adam was in there; and then in order to fulfill it, He's out there and His hour has come. This is Yahweh incarnated in a body. Now the devil refused to leave from out there in the garden. So then Judas negotiated with them for thirty pieces of silver. And He told His disciples to tarry here while I go yonder. They mustn't go in there. While I go yonder and pray. Now if you take that same line, we'll carry that line right on over, and you get Him right in here praying. While they were praying around the tabernacle, the high priest was in here at the altar of incense praying. They couldn't go in there.
And now in order to fulfill it, He just goes into the Garden of Gethsemane just like he did here. He's in here for one hour, just like he's in here for forty days and His hour is come. In that day Yahweh... Adam would live 930 years and yet he died in his, in his conscience, see that one day or that one thousand years he was dead. See how it is?
Now listen folks. Now these preachers they can't put these things together like this. They don't know the story. They don't know what they're talking about. And you see that by these articles they're printing here. And then every time one of 'em gets on TV, he doesn't know anything at all about what it's all about. And on top of all of that, they don't know the name. Now they've gotten around to the place, where many Bibles being written and the names are being put back in the Bible. Now your Holy Name Bible was the first Bible in this century come out in 1963. The Jerusalem Bible, I think it come out in '67. And we have another at the house, it come out in '70 with these names in them. They're putting these names back in the Bible. Now what has happened is this: we're sending world, this, this teaching all over the world. And they're trying to sneak back in.
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And then some of 'em, like Billy Graham and Rex Humbard and them, they, they won't use these names. They're too stubborn to do that, not realizing that they're gonna have to acknowledge 'em. They're gonna have to do it, Billy Graham and everybody else. And I sent Billy Graham a book just like.., and he sent it back. Then we took the same book and sent it to his wife, we haven't got it back yet. And Billy out there in Anaheim Stadium offering to pay anybody one thousand dollars, any minister that could show his wife the necessity of her being baptized in water and getting her to accept it. Now Billy is a Baptist, and he can't convince his wife of nothing.
Now look folks, let me wind this up real quick and get on down from up here cause I do want you to see what I'm talking about. Now you notice I got from the passover to the water and up to the Red, up to, up, up to the Red Sea and up here into, through the Wilderness of Sin and all up in here to the Wilderness of Sinai and from Mount Sinai, the mount of Elohim, and they washed up, that was his first trip up in the mount. Now try to pay attention now. Try to pay attention. You have him here, that's equivalent to the.., see how it's put on the water line here with Him and how the cloud overshadowed it, you got to also keep the cloud there. Then He's got to ascend on a cloud, because the cloud carried them on in there, and crossed the River Jordan.
Now folks listen, I'm moving on now. The fifth chapter of Matthew. Now remember, we, we, we showed you this first trip up there and He told him to tell them to clean up and wash up. And remember, that He told John to suffer it to be so now because it behooves Him to fulfil all righteousness. Now Ted Garner Armstrong and the others are calling this the New Testament which it is not. A testament is a force after men are dead and it had to be sealed with.., without the shedding blood there will be no remission of sins. Now, now listen and pay attention. The fifth chapter and the first verse.
Dr. Harris: And seeing the multitudes
Dr. Kinley: Now look, there was 600,503. Is that right?
Student Body: (MANY VOICES SAYING NUMBERS)
Dr. Kinley: 603,550. Did I get it right that time? Not counting the woman and the children that followed Moses and them up out of the wilderness. And they gathered up around the mount. And I told you about Him speaking and giving them the commandments from the mountain. Now look. Now then Yahshua the Messiah has got to, has got to fulfill this. So and seeing the multitudes. Now this is after He's been baptized in the River Jordan and then he's gone on in here and He's..., makes them His disciples, and they're following Him on. And there's a great multitude of people ____, there's the Pharisees and Sadducees and Scribes ____ ____. Now they all wanna jump on me. And we've got letters where they want.., my life has been threatened for telling you these things. Alright, now seeing the multitude.., this is in fulfillment of this, seeing this great multitude come out of here. We even went so far as to take the number of 'em. Alright, read on.
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Dr. Harris: He went up into a mountain
Dr. Kinley: Now he'd have to go up in this mountain. Went up into a mountain. And then what?
Dr. Harris: And when he was set
Dr. Kinley: And when he was set. Not in this mountain now but this is a fulfillment of it. And when the cloud was set, and when he was set. Then what?
Dr. Harris: His disciples came unto him
Dr. Kinley: You see that, here they come. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: And he opened his mouth and taught them saying
Dr. Kinley: And he opened his mouth and he taught them saying. Read.
Dr. Harris: Blessed are the poor in spirit
Dr. Kinley: and on down. He talked about the law there. Now skip on down.
Dr. Harris: 17th verse
Dr. Kinley: 17th verse
Dr. Harris: Think not that I am come to destroy
Dr. Kinley: Now folks, look up here. In contradiction to what this book has said, we're not gonna let you loose (lose?) sight of these things. We're not gonna let you come down here and then go away from here stupid. Now then when He was set, He had to.., in order to fulfill this, He had to go up in that mount and sit down and speak to that mountain in order to fulfill this back here, where Yahweh spoke from, to Israel from that mountain. You see that now? Now that's a fulfillment. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets
Dr. Kinley: Don't think that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets
Dr. Harris: I am not come to destroy
Dr. Kinley: I am not come to destroy
Dr. Harris: But to fulfill
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Dr. Kinley: Now He could have never fulfilled it if by going up into that mountain, and making sure.., He could not have never fulfilled this unless He set up in that mountain. And that's what... Do you see? Do you see what He's doing? I wanna know if anybody in here can't see that, what He's doing. He's fulfilling. And He said to 'em, now get this straight. Now Ted Garner said foot washing was not back there in Old Covenant. He said that it was instituted by Christ. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen folks, if you'd just come to this chart right here, I've even went so far as to put down here so that you, so that you could correlate it. Wrote the verse down on here, you can just take a pencil and pad and come up here and look right at this and put these verses down and you can see the correlation of it. Now, and he said to them. Now listen, get this straight. He said foot washing was instituted by Christ. He can't institute nothing because He's got to fulfill everything that was... Listen, and went so far as to say that He had to fulfill it, every jot and every tittle of it. Couldn't do anything that wasn't expressed in the law and the prophets. Do you see that now? Can you see that that man don't know what he's talking about? Ambassador College with 53 million dollars. Some there's, some of these folks, they don't wanna even accept what we are, our stuff and then when they do take it they can get put out of, they can get out of it to try to make somebody think that they know something and write up some kind of article. And that that they can't see, they try to start an argument about it, like this, like you just read there. Now, then that brings me up to another, now that's the second time. Now I got to get the third time. And that's this one. Trans, Mount of Transfiguration. Read
Dr. Harris: You want the 17th chapter Matthew?
Dr. Kinley: 17th chapter
Dr. Harris: And after six days
Dr. Kinley: And after six days. I ain't got time to into all that, just read it doc.
Dr. Harris: Yahshua taketh Peter, James and John, his brother
Dr. Kinley: That's just like, like the 24th chapter of Exodus, says there, the seventy elders, Aaron, Nadab and Abihu. Now in order to fulfill that, and we've got it right over here. Now, the same here, this is the transfiguration, the ascension, and then here He ascends into the mountain and we just call it the mount, cause what we did is condense it and we got all three things right here in one, just to show you that He had to do these things to fulfill 'em. Now read, Dr. Harris,
Dr. Harris: Taketh Peter, James and John, his brother and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart
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Dr. Kinley: Uh huh. Apart.
Dr. Harris: And was transfigured before them
Dr. Kinley: And transfigured before them. Transfigured before them. You see that? Now that's the third time in that mountain. See that now? And He's fulfilling, that's the third time. See it now? This one here, where He goes out into the Mount of Olives and ascends from the Mount of Olives, we just have the ascension and all shown right in here. You have that in the first chapter of the Acts of Apostles. So that's the fourth time in a mountain. (THE BELL RINGS) Well, we've done it again. We've done it again. But the thing of it is what I'm trying to show you is, I I'm trying to show you that when these people read what they call the New Testament, they don't know that Yahshua the Messiah is repeating or doing what was said back here in the law of Moses and in the prophets; in other words, He's fulfilling this that's back here in the law and in the prophets. Now listen, now listen at what I'm gonna say now. Repeat what you read there in the 16th chapter, the fifth chapter Matthew, that one jot and one tittle shall not pass from the law until it's all fulfilled.
Dr. Harris: For verily, verily I say unto to thee, til heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.
Dr. Kinley: Now read John 19:30.
Dr. Harris: After he had received the vinegar, he said, it is finished.
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh. Now He's finished fulfilling the law and the prophets during His lifetime. He's finished, every jot and every tittle of it that pertained to Him alive and walking around. Now there was some that was fulfilled afterwards and there is some yet to be fulfilled, and in the ages yet to come, of the purpose of Yahweh. Now children, the reason why I got up here again tonight... Now we are right down to the end. Yahshua said in the 24th chapter of Matthew, except these days be shortened, there wouldn't be no flesh saved. Now look, I'm trying to get it over to you, I know how you're living in your homes. I know, you can't fool me. How the wives and the husbands... Now look here, I want you to understand what that is. Now this is what it is. Yahshua the Messiah said there in the 24th chapter of Matthew... Dr. Harris would you mind? Would you please give me a minute, cause this is important. I wanna, what I wanna show you now is this: it's worse now than it's ever been in the history of the ages. Everybody's home and every man and every woman is affected. And Yahshua said there in the 24th chapter of Matthew.
Dr. Harris: and the 21st verse
Dr. Kinley: and the 21st verse
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Dr. Harris: For then shall be great tribulation
Dr. Kinley: Then shall, then shall be great tribulation
Dr. Harris: Such as was not since the beginning of the world
Dr. Kinley: Since there has not been since the beginning of the world
Dr. Harris: To this time
Dr. Kinley: Until this time
Dr. Harris: No, nor ever shall be
Dr. Kinley: No, or ever shall be. I told you last week and it's no secret about the Roman Catholics have murdered millions. Protestants have murdered millions. And in your home, take this home with you children, in your home, Yahweh is permitting the devil through your children, through your husband, through your wife, worse now than it's ever been in the history of this age, or the history of the age. And I'm telling you this, this is a thing that happens and occurs. Now Dr. Harris find that verse there were He said that this gospel of the kingdom would be... Right in the 24th chapter.
Dr. Harris: 14th verse
Dr. Kinley: 14th verse
Dr. Harris: And this gospel of the kingdom
Dr. Kinley: And this gospel of the kingdom
Dr. Harris: Shall be preached in all the world
Dr. Kinley: Shall be preached in all the world
Dr. Harris: For a witness unto all nations
Dr. Kinley: For a witness unto all nations
Dr. Harris: And then shall the end come
Dr. Kinley: And then shall the end come. Now do you see where you are? You see the great tribulation that you're having? The economic depression...
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Dr. Henry C. Kinley
1040 South Grand Ave., Los Angeles, California
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 74.1006
originally transcribed by Mary Gross, Nola Jackson, and Irene Young
1997
first proofreading: Laurie Steinberg
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Susan Ameigh
fourth proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fifth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
(THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH WAS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT BUT WAS NOT ON THE TAPE, IT WAS PROBABLY LOST IN TAPE DUPLICATION) Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I am sure all of you were benefitted this morning by Dr. Harris when he went into the persecution that Paul and all of them suffered and what they are doing out there in Christendoom. Now he took it down polytechnically. There is no excuse for nobody's ignorance the way he brought that down this morning. So after I got home there was this person that
Dr. Kinley: brought the person, they told me that the person that they brought didn't understand what they were talking about. And they said that they had to go to their church tonight because they had to.., they were going there to take communion. Is that right, person? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now when he told me about that this morning I just reached over and tapped Dr. Harris on the shoulder, and told him to tell Dr. Harris about it. That's the reason why Dr. Harris preached as he did. Now what we try to do in this class to, to help people; help save their souls. Definitely they have been deceived. And they really don't know and understand what the Purpose of Yahweh is; and it is incumbent upon us that do know, to get up here and tell you the truth just like it is. It's tough. It's hard.
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Now I wouldn't have gotten up here this morning had it not been for that. And before I got out of bed this morning I got a call from New York: Dr. Sandra Giragosian, and she was telling me about some tapes that were made and we try to keep those tapes away from the general public, but Billy Carroll got a hold of 'em in New York. They were sent there, I think she said, she said that my daughter sent them there, Lena. And they made some electrical transcriptions of 'em, and they were played around different places. And so she was very much concerned and worked up about it. And I just told her there hasn't never been nothing taught in this school that's so secretive that we had to keep it away from the general public.
But there are many things that are taught in this school that people just pass by as they did this morning. And then they run on out there and get the wrong understanding of it, and go ahead on. And what we intend to do, we speak the wisdom of Yahweh, as you just read in the lesson there: the wisdom of Yahweh in a mystery. And you just don't come with a carnal mind and just pick it up over night and then run on out the door and never come back no more to study nothing about it.
And when I got through with her call, I hadn't got out of bed yet, then I got another call and.., from Canada. One of Dr. Channer's students was talking with me about the subject that I wanna speak on tonight. I wanna talk something about it. I wanna have something to say about it. Then when I get to Sunday School, on the tail end of it, then here's the same thing was up again, it was talked about in Sunday School. And some time ago, Dr. Burbank Mitchell talked to me about it and asked me about it. And I told him, 'No, it was not like many people had said it was.'
Now I'm gonna try my best to make this plain. And that is that there is two spirits in a person, the devil or a demoniac spirit and the Spirit of Yahweh. Now that's not so. Now Yahshua the Messiah when He took His disciples out before He died, He sent 'em out to cast out devils or demons. Is that almost right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And when they cast 'em out they walked through dry places seeking rest and finding none. And they went back to the house from whence they were cast out of or the person in whom they were cast out of, and they found the house swept and garnished, but not occupied. And they couldn't break in. So what they did, was went and got some legions, some more, in order to break in. And then the last state of that person was worse than the first. Now don't, don't, don't misunderstand now, I said that was before He died. Now since that be the case, they cast those devils out, now, those demons out.
And often times they're called, just called devils but there ain't but one devil. It's those demoniac spirits that were cast out of heaven. And let me make this real plain because it's definitely involved in what we're talking about. And those demoniac spirits, they were cast out of heaven, and being incarnated in men posing as ministers of righteousness. Now those are the ones that they went to
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to get some help to try and break in. Do you understand what I mean by that? Now if you don't understand, I'm up here to make you understand what I'm talking about. That night the Sanhedrin Council, when the devil was cast out of them, the people, they walked through dry places seeking rest and findeth none, finding none. Then they went back to the house where they were cast out and they couldn't break in, because they found the house swept and garnished but it wasn't occupied, but they couldn't break in then. So then they went to the Pharisees and the Scribes that had them other demoniac spirits in 'em to try to gainsay. I thought I'd tell you who them other de.., that legion was. I thought that would be nice for you, if you knew that. That's that legion. And the, their, the, the latter state was worse than the first.
Now that was under the Dispensation of the Law and was before Yahshua the Messiah died. Now after He died, on the cross, He died.., now I want you to pay attention to what I'm saying, because we don't wanna make a failure out of His ministry. We don't want you to misunderstand. We don't want you to misconstrue. He died to put an end to sin, and there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin. Read John, 'Whosoever is born of Yahweh doth not commit sin.' Now we want that understood. I think it's the first epistle I'm sure and it's the second or third chapter, I'm not just sure which it is. I just didn't take time to look these things up and I ain't making no notes. If you notice, I.., very seldom do you ever see me with a Bible in my hand. Read it.
Dr. Harris: Whosoever is born of Yahweh doth not practice sin. Doth not sin.
Dr. Kinley: Read it out of the King James version.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His sin, for His seed remaineth in him.
Dr. Kinley: For his seed remaineth in him
Fred Allen, Jr.: And he cannot ____ sin
Dr. Kinley: and he cannot sin
Fred Allen, Jr.: Because he is born of God.
Dr. Kinley: Because he is born of God. Now what is a sin in the first place? Lotta people don't know what a sin is. They think chewing tobacco and smoking cigarettes and drinking whiskey, say that's what a sin is. Fred, see if you can't find what a sin is; and I think you'll find it's a transgression of the law. Now I'm having you look these things up. But now what we're really after is after Yahshua the Messiah is.., had died, wanna make it plain, resurrected from the dead, ascended into heaven, poured out the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, and from there on they were out of the sinning business. And we don't want you to have the impression that you continue on in sin. That's what we're, that's what we're talking about. That is that one of these demoniac spirits is setting up in you and the Holy Spirit; there's not room enough for both of 'em. If you notice on the Day of Pentecost they were filled with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Now if you had a glass and you filled it full of water you couldn't get no more in it. Why? Because it's filled. And when you are filled with the Holy Spirit it is that Holy Spirit that moves out, moves the satanic spirit out.
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Now after He died and resurrected from the dead and sent them out... He sent them out the last time, told 'em to go back to Jerusalem and tarry there until they received power from on high and then ye shall be witnesses unto me in Judea, and Samaria and the uttermost parts of the earth; in other words, ____ He sent 'em on out to cast out demoniac spirits. Now when this, now when the demoniac spirits was cast out of those men, by them having the Holy Spirit, then what happened? They were sealed with the Holy Spirit. They were filled with the Holy Spirit and they were sealed, and with the Promise. How long? Till the Day of Redemption.
Now John says this, and this is also in the Law, 'There is a sin that is not unto death. I do not say that you should pray for it.' Now that's blaspheming. And now a person with the Holy Spirit in them, I want you to see and understand what I'm talking about, person with the Holy Spirit in them, just like Peter down at Cornelius' house, and we're taught that water baptism and carnal ordinances and all those things was passed away. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Peter commanded them to be baptized in water which was done under the Dispensation of the Law. That is John baptizing under the Dispensation of the Law. That was wrong. No water baptism in this Age. Carnal Ordinances all been fulfilled and moved out of the way. But now when the Holy Spirit is come He teaches, He teaches you all things. Now these people that have indulged and participated in that, they didn't know no better. And you never will find out no better out there in the Roman Catholic Church and in the Protestant Churches. Just like it was a grievous, very grievous thing for that person to set here this morning after Dr. Harris had preached as hard as he had preached and then they turn around and say they had to go to their church tonight, the Baptist Church, to take communion. And even now the book says you can't eat it. And Yahshua told them that was the Last Supper. Now these people just don't understand things.
Now I wanna go in the seventh chapter of, of Romans, and show you that Paul was speaking to the people that knew the Law. Everybody didn't know the law. That's the reason why we refer you to go back to the Law. And at the time he's saying what he is saying here in the seventh chapter of Romans, he's trying to tell you that he then was talking to them under the Law and how he was when he was under the Law. Now how is it done after he's received the Holy Spirit? That's where you're making your mistake. Read the last few verses of that there. Find the phrase there 'I speak to them that know the Law.'
Dr. Harris: First verse. Know ye not brethren, For I speak to them that know the law
Dr. Kinley: Now don't you see? If you didn't go back there and look at the Law and if you don't know nothing about it, then you don't know what he's talking about. 'I speak..,' well what about it? Read on.
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Dr. Harris: Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law) how that the law has dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth.
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: But if the husband be dead
Dr. Kinley: But if the husband be dead
Dr. Harris: She is loosed from the law of her husband.
Dr. Kinley: She is loosed from the law of her husband. Read.
Dr. Harris: So then
Dr. Kinley: So then
Dr. Harris: If while her husband liveth
Dr. Kinley: So then, if while her husband liveth
Dr. Harris: She be married to another man
Dr. Kinley: She be married to another man
Dr. Harris: She shall be called an adulteress
Dr. Kinley: Under the Dispensation of the Law. That's what the Law said. Now you want some verification of that? Matthew. Don't leave the place there, hold the book on it cause I got to come back there people. We, we want to get some understanding about the thing. Matthew 12:40. I wanna show you what the situation was when He was on the earth walking around. The problem was just about the same then as it is now, and I want you to realize that. Same thing, worse now. Read.
Dr. Harris: For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the fish's belly
Dr. Kinley: No, the verse or two above it, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Then certain of the scribes and of the pharisees
Dr. Kinley: Then certain of the scribes and pharisees
Dr. Harris: answered
Dr. Kinley: answered
Dr. Harris: Saying
Dr. Kinley: Saying
Dr. Harris: Rabbi
Dr. Kinley: Rabbi
Dr. Harris: We would see a sign from thee
Dr. Kinley: Show us a sign. We'd see a sign from thee. Read.
Dr. Harris: But he answered and said unto them
Dr. Kinley: and he answered and said unto them
Dr. Harris: an evil and adulterous nation
Dr. Kinley: Now I want you to get that thing straight. Now you get that thing straight and straight now, cause you got the same situation prevailing right now. Ye that are a wicked and an adulterous generation seeketh after a sign. Now the reason why I brought that up is on this account. Now there's been some signs given this year back in Ohio and also down in Birmingham, Alabama, and around. There's been some signs given. Then somebody comes along and says, 'Look, if you had a vision, we wanna see a sign.' Tell me to heal somebody, then go pick out somebody for me to heal. Show 'em a sign. Now them people are wicked.
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They are adulterous. It's always been people that have a condemned conscience. They want somebody to show 'em a sign and then when the sign is shown, they don't see it.
Now for example, we told you that Tuesday just passed was the beginning of the Feast of Tabernacles. And I told you there would always be a reflection of it. Now what was the reflection? I asked you then about, about the Day of Atonement. An earthquake. And I taught you, I tried my best to teach you those things so that you would be mindful of 'em, and watch right along with ____ ____ sign, and the situation and the condition now that's prevailing, they are signs. Can't you read the sign of near the end? Not the end of the age, cause that's already done happened, but the probationary period. You've been fourteen years in that.
And I've tried even to go so far to tell you that the Roman Catholics, Jehovah's Witness and the Church of God, and just multiplied millions of people upon the face of the earth, they think that 1975 will be the end or that Jesus is going to drop down through the sky in 1975. They think that. Now here's some of the signs. Earthquakes in divers places. I told you, I stood in this pulpit and told you, they say that when earthquakes.., they have, the seismologists, they have a instrument setting up there in the mountain, and when the earth quakes or tremors, it registers on the Richter scale. And they say that they don't know how to tell when one is gonna happen. But now I've stood here and told you when it's gonna happen and the day and hour when it's supposed to happen. I stood in this pulpit and told you that. And told you not to come back here no more if it didn't happen like I said it. Am I lying?
Student Body: No
Dr. Kinley: Answer me.
Student Body: No sir
Dr. Kinley: Yes. I told you about many things ____ down, right straight on down and tried to show you that what we teach down in this school is right. Then somebody goes with something, some junk that somebody else said, and come bringing it to me and show me where I was making a mistake. Everyone says I'm wrong. I mean the so-called Christian world out here. So ain't no need in going seeking out something. Everybody says I'm wrong, Roman Catholics and Protestants and other religions, all of 'em say I'm wrong. There ain't nothing new about that either; they said Yahshua the Messiah was wrong. Said He was possessed of a demoniac spirit or the devil. They said that. So what do you expect them to say of me? Woe unto the men whom the world speaks well of, for they sure haven't spoken any too well of me. And on top of all that I've had my pants kicked. I been beat up. Very few people have been beat up for preaching the gospel.
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A wicked and an adulterous generation seeketh after a sign. But there shall be no sign given except the sign which was given unto the Prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, even shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Now they didn't, they didn't understand that. Ambassador College will say up there, we have the book at home, they say that He was crucified on a Wednesday. Now what they're doing, they're trying to get three days and three nights in, as you know time to be or as you reckon time to be: three days and three nights. Now that's not so and He wasn't crucified on no Wednesday. But they had to do that in order to say; Wednesday's one, Thursday's two, Friday three. Saturday, which they say is the Sabbath, He rose from the dead, now listen, Sabbath afternoon. We got the book at home, don't we Dr. Gross. They say He rose from the dead Sabbath afternoon; crucified on Wednesday. That's wrong. Well what's wrong with it? Talking about your sign now. Did you ever see ____? I want to know this; now this is what I wanna know cause it's just like all the rest of them things.
Now take clear on back to Adam. He was driven out of the Garden. Now I want you to understand this, maybe you'd better get the third chapter of Luke, the last verse so that you can see that He's a Son too. Now, now, now hurry up cause I don't, I don't, I don't ____ ____.
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Enoch
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Enoch
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Seth
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Seth
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Adam
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Adam
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: Now do you understand that? Adam was a son of Elohim or a son of God. I'm trying to put it so that everybody can understand what I'm talking about. The book said so. And when he sinned, Yahweh waited till the cool of the day. Now here's what I'm talking about, you take the ethereal sun in the ethereal heavens out there in respect to the universe. The sun as you know, the S U N out here and the S O N, Adam. Yahweh waited until the cool of the day to drive that man out; in other words, they were both coming down together. Adam is coming on down to death; in fact, he died right there in his conscience in.., right in the Garden, instantaneously, too, within a twinkling of an eye. No wonder Yahweh said in the 15th chapter of first Corinthians, 'Behold, I show you a mystery; we shall all be changed in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye,' cause that's what.., that's how it happened, that's how, that's how quick he died that day. No sooner than he put his hand on the fruit there, right there is where he died at. Now look, they're coming down together, them two sons. Yahweh fixed this thing up so you just don't have no excuse. But the real facts in the case are these, your minister out there doesn't understand it. And we tell you things down here that you never heard in your life. And listen you ain't gonna just park here no second or so, and get up and walk out the door down there; and go get a drink of water or something and go out down stairs and smoke a cigarette or something or other and think you got it made. You can't do, you can't do that. You can set here
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and... Dr. Gross sat here for fifteen years and, this is the president I'm talking about, and misunderstood some things. Is that right, Doc? Yes. What you're dealing with is a great big mystery. Now these two sons.., that's why Yahweh waited until the cool of the day; in other words, the sun in the ethereal heaven is coming down and Adam is being driven out of the Garden in the cool of the day. Now look, when Yahshua the Messiah is crucified out here on the cross, the sun went on down at noonday; in other words, the blood was running out of His body when He was dying, and the sun it went and dropped on down at noonday. Now this day, listen now, this day was known only to Yahweh. Suppose you read that Dr. Harris. Suppose you read it there, Dr. Allen, that the sun did go down at noonday. I think you'll find it in Malachi 4:2 or somewhere.
Dr. Harris: And it shall come to pass
Dr. Kinley: Now here's Zechariah.
Dr. Harris: Zechariah 14:6,
Dr. Kinley: Now here's Zechariah 14:6
Dr. Harris: and it shall come to pass in that day
Dr. Kinley: in that day
Dr. Harris: that the light shall not be clear in some places
Dr. Kinley: that the light shall... That's the reason why we put this up here on top of this chart, right there. It shall come to pass that the light shall not be clear. Now if you notice up here at the top, you can't see it too well here, it's light. This was the day coming in. And at 12 noon it turned black dark till three o'clock in the afternoon. Then it was light again. Then it went on back into darkness again, and around to the next morning. Now that day was known only to Yahweh. That's the reason why I tell you, don't anybody know nothing about the purpose of Yahweh but Yahweh Himself. Please get that straight. That day was known only to Him.
Now look what you got here. You got in the first chapter of Genesis, you got Moses' vision, where Yahweh said that the face of the earth, that the darkness was upon the face of the deep. And Yahweh said, 'Let there be light.' That's cosmic light. Don't have no sun till the fourth day. Yahshua the Messiah was born in the 4000th year or on the fourth day. One day with Yahweh is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day. And that's the day. That's the time that's confused the man. Adam lived 930 years and died 70 years short of one day with Yahweh.
Now look folks, people have, men have went in this Bible and tried to figure it all out. And went around and pose as preachers and robbed people for years of their money and of their souls. And I'm talking about Roman Catholics and Protestants, and the Buddhist and what not, demons.
Get it straight, again, I'll repeat: don't nobody know nothing about Yahweh, the purpose of Yahweh Himself. Now look, whoever is in this building that ever seen the sun rise, I mean the sun in the sky, whoever seen it rise in the afternoon of any day, please stand up. You see that now?
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Now Ambassador College say that Yahshua the Messiah rose from the dead in a Sabbath afternoon. Now if that was true and the Sabbath means rest, He broke the rest. I haven't forgot the subject, I'm going back. Yes sir, I'm going back to them that know the law and prophets, and that's what Paul is talking about. And how these demoniac spirits incarnated in physical bodies has run all around here and lied to you and told you every kinda tale. There is hardly any kind of a tale that you can think of that they haven't lied to you about. Done lied to you about water baptism, lied to you about Lord's Suppers and lied to you about circumcision. 'What?' Just lied and lied and lied ____. That's all they been doing, ain't telling nothing but lies. Them are demoniac spirits incarnated in physical bodies. Is that clear to you, Roger Jackson? They don't know nothing about what it's all about. Now that day was known only to Yahweh, then wouldn't it take Yahweh to explain it. Is that what the Book says?
Dr. Harris: But it shall be one day which shall be known to Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's right. It shall be one day known only to Yahweh. And Ambassador College and none of the rest of 'em can't figure it out. You've scored some this afternoon, folks. There'll be one day that's known to Yahweh only. That's the reason why I plead with you people, and I beg you. Now it, there just ain't no need to end, 'Well I'm going down there this morning and see what they got to say and then I'm going over to my church tonight.' You don't have no church. If I understood Yahshua the Messiah right, He said, 'Upon this Rock', meaning Himself, 'I will build My church,' not yours. Now who ever heard tell of Yahshua the Messiah leaving heaven to come down and to build a Roman Catholic Church or a Baptist Church or a Methodist church? That, that, that really don't make sense. Alright, read, Freddy.
Fred Allen Jr.: Amos 8:9
Dr. Kinley: Amos 8:9
Fred Allen Jr.: And it shall come to pass in that day, saith Yahweh, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day.
Dr. Kinley: Now Ambassador College, they don't know nothing about that. Don't know a thing the first about it. When He was hanging out there on the cross and that... Read Matthew there and see if it didn't turn dark over the face of the earth from the sixth to the ninth hour.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Matthew 27:
Dr. Kinley: Matthew 27:
Fred Allen, Jr.: 55
Dr. Kinley: 55
Fred Allen, Jr.: Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the earth, land, unto the ninth hour.
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Dr. Kinley: Now what is the sixth hour?
Fred Allen, Jr.: Sixth hour is 12 o'clock.
Dr. Kinley: Well, what's the ninth hour?
Fred Allen, Jr: Three o'clock P.M.
Dr. Kinley: 3:00 P.M. Then what?
Fred Allen, Jr.: And about the ninth hour Yahshua cried with a loud voice saying, 'Eli, Eli lama sabachthani?' That is to say my El, my El, why hast Thou forsaken me?
Dr. Kinley: Un huh. That's alright. That's enough. That's enough. He bowed His head in the locks of His shoulders and gave up the ghost and then He died. Now you see that son went on down at noon day.
Now here's what I'm trying to tell you, Dr. Gross. This is a sign. Now you see how well they understood that. Now here comes a wicked and adulterous generation seeking after a sign. They wanna see you perform some kind of a miracle. 'If you folks down there at that Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research were right, let me see you heal somebody.' I ain't never healed nobody in my life and neither has nobody else. Yahshua the Messiah said He hadn't. That's what He said. He said, 'I can of mine own self do nothing, but My Father in Me, He doeth the works.' Now the reason why I brought that up, Freddy, is that these devils incarnated in these physical bodies have told you all kind of lies about everything. There isn't a thing that they haven't told you a lie about. They're wicked and they're adulterous, and they are those satanic spirits that were cast out of heaven and incarnated in physical bodies. Second Corinthians 11:14.
Luther Daniels: And no marvel
Dr. Kinley: and no marvel
Luther Daniels: For Satan transformed himself into an angel of light.
Dr. Kinley: And no marvel; for Satan himself, listen now, he transformed into an angel of light. Now listen, this is the devil, I didn't say the demon. I said Satan himself is transformed or is changed into an angel of light. Now don't marvel at this. Now, now don't marvel. And he's setting over there in the Vatican and up in man's conscience, in the body and in Saint Peter's.
Now Yahshua the Messiah said, 'Upon,' that's Matthew 16:18, 'upon this Rock,' meaning Himself, Yahshua said, 'I will build My church and the very gates of hell shall not prevail against it.' That's what He said, He said, 'Upon this rock;' not upon that rock, which He was talking about Peter. Now listen. Upon that rock, that's Peter. Upon this Rock, that's Me. Just like Dr. Harris said this morning and said He took the bread and He broke it. He said, 'This is My body', not 'That is My body'. 'This is my body.' He also took the chalice or the cup, and He said 'This cup is my... This is my blood of... This, this is my blood of,' not 'That is my blood', but 'This is My blood of the New Covenant.' You don't pay no attention to what, what you're reading.
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And then they went on so far as to say that Jesus said, 'Take eat, this is My body,' and saying that He said for us to do it. Now that is not in the Bible. He never said for us to do that. That was under the Dispensation of the Law, weren't nobody there but Jews. Now Dr. Harris made that as plain and clear this morning as it can be. And look folks, it never was ate in the congregation of the assembly. They ate that in their own houses. And this is the original Passover down in Egypt. And And Yahshua the Messiah is our Passover.
Now let's got back on the line. Now where all of these things come from, they say that the Protestant Churches come out of the Roman Catholic Church. Well, in the Roman Catholic church where did it come from? They say that that's the Church that Christ built. And He didn't know no better, had no better sense than to build it on Peter, and said he was a sinner. I mean confessed that. And Yahshua said to him after His resurrected from the dead, 'Depart from me, O Yahweh, O Elohim for I am a man full of sin,' or a sinful man. Is that, is that.., if you don't think that's in the Book, I'll read it to you.
SIDE 2:
Anything I say, I'll read. And I want you folks to know that I do know what I'm talking about and I don't have to go around asking nobody no information about nothing. No sir. When you get it from me, that's it. That's right. I saw the vision. Yes indeed, just like Moses and John and the rest of the prophets, I saw, and you can't do nothing with it. Now all of these errors and these mistakes that are made by people, they don't understand. You're dealing with a great mystery. And they want you to tell it to 'em, said, 'Just tell me all about it, I'm in a hurry. I got to go to the grocer. I got to go and meet my husband.' They want you to tell 'em all about Yahweh or the birth of Christ and the death of the devil in.., right, right now, 'Cause I got to go.' It's a.., 'is he or is he ain't, right now.' And they want you to answer their question. They have, they even have some concept in their mind, 'is that right or is that wrong?' You can't answer them like that, because you're dealing with a great big mystery, that's through the Ages and Dispensation of time. There is two mysteries, folks. One's the Mystery of Iniquity and the other one's the Mystery of Yahweh. They're great mysteries, too. There are other mysteries.
But now look, let's get back to where we were. Now if you see the sign that was given, you see how they misunderstood the sign. He said there wasn't gonna be no sign given,
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from the bow of that boat or from the side of that boat. Yahweh has prepared that big fish and just all just as quick as you could stop 'em now, it's turning into darkness, right then. Just that quick. That is to say that the fish swallowed him up instantaneously. 'Well what', said, 'Well what about that?' Well, this is what about
it. If that high priest went into the sanctuary, the Most Holy Place here, just as he was passing through that vail, just that quick, instantaneously, just like Adam was receiving out there, instantaneously. No fooling around about. Now they don't understand something like that at Ambassador College and around in the
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world. That man was engulfed in the belly of that fish. It was dark in there; in other words, he was in the grave. You understand what I'm talking about. Anybody don't understand it raise your hand. Yes, there's a hand back there. Please stand up. Stand up. I said that Jonah, when he was cast over board, Yahweh had a big fish prepared there, so says the scriptures, not me. And when Simon leaned over the top of that boat that fish had swallowed him up. That means that it was instantaneous that the fish swallowed him up hardly before he could get in the water. Well, that's what I was talking about.
Now then, somebody else had their hands up. Don't be ashamed. Hold your hand up. Alright.
(SOMEONE ASKS A QUESTION BUT IT IS NOT AUDIBLE)
Dr. Kinley: Yes, but I ain't got to that, we're talking about the man, the fish, being swallowed up. I haven't got to what you're talking about yet. I haven't, I haven't got, I haven't, I haven't finished on that, but I.., what I was trying to show you was this: that a wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign. And they won't understand the sign, they're looking right straight at it.
And Yahshua the Messiah went out there healing everybody and then they got nerve enough to walk up to Him and say, 'Show us a sign.' Where have they been? Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Seventh chapter of Romans?
Dr. Kinley: Yes, seventh chapter of Romans. No, that was in Matthew that you just read there. A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign. Now that tells me. Don't ____ just one folk, one person, or a couple of folks. Don't do that. That whole generation was adulterous. That, that's what He said, 'A wicked and an adulterous generation seeketh after a sign.'
What? Look, folks, that's of now that we insist on keeping the Law, Paul says, 'I speak to them that know the Law, how that man is joined, a woman is joined to her husband as long as he shall live. What if he be dead? Then's she free?' Now that's under the Law. He's talking to them that know the law. Then she's free then goes to marry somebody else.
Now there's another secret, that'll free you. And I wanna get to that one, too. Paul said this. Matthew 19, and then we'll come back to Romans. Matthew 19. Go ahead, start at the first verse.
Dr. Harris: And it came to pass
Dr. Kinley: And it came to pass
Dr. Harris: That when Yahshua had finished these sayings
Dr. Kinley: When he had finished them sayings, or talking to those people
Dr. Harris: He departed from Galilee
Dr. Kinley: He departed from Galilee
Dr. Harris: And came into the coasts of Judea beyond Jordan
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Dr. Kinley: And came into the coasts of Judea beyond Jordan. Now look folks, now just to read that you wouldn't hardly be aware of what's going on. This is what's happening there. When He came into the coasts of Judea... Now the tribe of Judah was, they were around the Messiah and the tribe of Levi. That was the tribe of Judah that was around.., that is the kingship tribe. And that's where the Pharisees and the Scribes were. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: And great multitudes followed him
Dr. Kinley: And great multitudes followed him. And you know that just burned 'em up. They just burned up with envy seeing great multitudes following Him. People come down here and they look around over this thing, and then they say, 'This is a good sized Church. Now if I get in there and preach, I oughta get out of them services about so much and so much, and all I have to do is tell 'em Paul said, and Peter said, and then they shell out and give me a big donation.' We don't do that here. So they quit coming. We ain't bothering with it, we used to be bothered it. Bothered with it bad. And then we put 'em up here to preach. Now look Buster, you have, you're gonna have to stay till the meeting's over. And they thought, 'well I got charge of the service and I'll just go all the way through. And that's all my folks is gonna hear.' Um, um, we gonna get up and grab him right back of the neck and shake his brains out. He ain't getting away with nothing. He don't know what.., when he reads the Bible he don't know what he's reading about. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: And great multitudes followed him
Dr. Kinley. Now great.., there some of them multitudes followed Him. Alright.
Dr. Harris: And He healed them there
Dr. Kinley: Now then, He healed them. Then they got nerve enough to ask Him to show 'em a sign. Go on Dr. Harris and read.
Dr. Harris: The Pharisees also came unto Him
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that, I told you.., didn't I tell you before he got to it? Alright, then the Pharisees they came unto Him
Dr. Harris: Tempting Him
Dr. Kinley: Tempting Him, tempting Him.
Dr. Harris: and saying
Dr. Kinley: Now wait now. Now, don't want you to miss that one. Don't want you to miss that one. That's what it is in them people that's out there in them Roman Catholic Churches and all that kinda thing. Them, them, them tempting to test you. Now Yahshua the Messiah, I wanna make this clear too, while I'm at it, when He was baptized in the River Jordan.., you talking about you, the test.., the devil went to Him. Now if He's gonna go to Him what do you think about you? Now he didn't tempt Him. Now that's the wrong word. And neither does he tempt anybody. They tested Him, not tempted, tested. Alright.
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Dr. Harris: The Pharisees also came unto him tempting Him and saying unto Him, 'Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?'
Dr. Kinley: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And he answered and said unto them
Dr. Kinley: And he answered, and this is what he said
Dr. Harris: have ye not read?
Dr. Kinley: You're such good readers, haven't you never read? When we started there a while ago, we said we was talking to them that know the Law, now this was back in the Law, haven't you never read back down in the Law. Read on.
Dr. Harris: that he which made them at the beginning
Dr. Kinley: that he which made them at the beginning
Dr. Harris: made them male and female
Dr. Kinley: made them male and female, haven't you never read that? Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: and said
Dr. Kinley: and said
Dr. Harris: For this cause
Dr. Kinley: Hold it, hold it, right there. I want you to see who said that. Now it don't, it don't talk like that over there in the Law where you were reading at. Go back over there in Genesis. Read, Freddy.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Genesis 2:23. And Adam said
Dr. Kinley: And now you see, he said Adam said.
Fred Allen, Jr.: this is now bone of my bones
Dr. Kinley: this is now bone of my bones
Fred Allen, Jr.: flesh of my flesh
Dr. Kinley: flesh of my flesh
Fred Allen, Jr.: she shall be called 'woman'
Dr. Kinley: and she shall be called 'woman'
Fred Allen, Jr.: because she was taken out of man
Dr. Kinley: she was taken out of man
Fred Allen, Jr.: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother
Dr. Kinley: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother
Fred Allen, Jr.: and shall cleave unto his wife
Dr. Kinley: and shall cleave unto his wife
Fred Allen,Jr.: and they shall be one flesh.
Dr. Kinley: and they shall be one flesh. And Adam never knew a thing about it, cause he was the only man, and she was the only woman. And he didn't know nothing about it; other words, what I'm talking about and pointing out here to you is, you see who said it.
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Student Body: Yeah.
Dr. Kinley: How about that one. Repeat Dr. Harris, who said it?
Dr. Harris: And he answered and said unto them
Dr. Kinley: And he answered and said unto them
Dr. Harris: have ye not read
Dr. Kinley: have ye not read
Dr. Harris: that he which made them
Dr. Kinley: Now we're talking about Him that made them. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: at the beginning
Dr. Kinley: at the beginning
Dr. Harris: made them male and female
Dr. Kinley: made them male and female
Dr. Harris: and said
Dr. Kinley: and he that made them male and female, and he said
Dr. Harris: for this cause shall a man leave his father and his mother
Dr. Kinley: For this cause shall a man leave his father and his mother.
Dr. Harris: And shall cleave to his wife
Dr. Kinley: And shall cleave unto his wife
Dr. Harris: And they twain shall be one flesh
Dr. Kinley: And they twain shall be one flesh. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Wherefore
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore
Dr. Harris: they are no more twain
Dr. Kinley: They ain't no more two.
Dr. Harris: but one flesh.
Dr. Kinley: One flesh.
Dr. Harris: What, therefore, Yahweh hath joined together
Dr. Kinley: What, therefore, Yahweh has joined together
Dr. Harris: Let not man put asunder.
Dr. Kinley: Don't let man put asunder. Yahweh has joined 'em together, let not man put asunder. Now you wanna know something? What we have been doing.., want to come on up with me?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Eve was not a sinful woman when Yahweh brought him and gave him to her; and Adam was not a sinful man either; but we just been running out there grabbing skirts and pants, just a woman, to satisfy our sexual passions, our lusts and so forth and so on. And when the satisfaction is appeased, then you cast her out and.., you understand what I'm talking about, commence finding fault with one another. Then the next thing is a divorce. And if it's not a divorce, that's got out of style too, you just go on and leave him. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You ain't, call it grabbing, just grabbing, having no ____ at all, but Yahweh, He sees it. And we just go on and get that one, that one don't do right then we just get an other
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one. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And if that one don't do right, drop 'em and go get another one. That's what's going on. Oh mercy, that's the truth. And that's what they call man and wife. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Dr. Harris: What therefore Yahweh has joined together let no man put asunder.
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Dr. Harris: They say unto him, why did Moses then command
Dr. Kinley: Now they asked Him a question and He's answering 'em. That's the way we try to do down here, we try to let, we let the Book answer. Read.
Dr. Harris: Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement,
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Dr. Harris: and to put her away if she were not pleasing in his sight?
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Dr. Harris: He saith unto them,
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Dr. Harris: Moses because of the hardness of your hearts
Dr. Kinley: Moses because of the hardness of your hearts
Dr. Harris: permitted you to put away your wives
Dr. Kinley: Permitted you. Moses did that, permitted you to put away your wife.
Dr. Harris: but from the beginning it was not so.
Dr. Kinley: But from, now go right back, in the beginning it was not so. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And I say unto you
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, he's got something to tell now, and I said unto you
Dr. Harris: Whosoever shall divorce his wife
Dr. Kinley: Whosoever shall put away his wife or divorce his wife
Dr. Harris: except it be for fornication
Dr. Kinley: Hold everything, hold everything. Now that's that other thing. Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and marrieth another. Read Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: And I say unto you, Whosoever shall divorce his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Dr. Harris: and whoso marrieth her which is divorced doth also commit adultery.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's under the Law. Now that's what it says under the Law. Now we could take time and go back there under the Law and read it, but we don't wanna do that. Now what I'm trying to talk to you about out here and tried to show you is this: Israel is Yahweh's wife, and Israel being Yahweh's wife, He was a good husband but she wasn't no good; fleshly. Yahweh put her away, that's right, for three days; and He got married to another, Yahshua the Messiah.
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A divorce, divorced from the Law and married to.., in this Dispensation over here, not married to the flesh, but married to the Spirit. Alright. Now you see what he said. Now He put her away for committing fornication. What was the other one?
Dr. Harris: For adultery.
Dr. Kinley: Adultery. Now you got it straight? Now that's what the Law said. Now go back to the seventh chapter of Romans.
Dr. Harris: So then if, while her husband liveth,
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? He comes right back on it, and he ain't saying this. Alright read on. So then if, while her husband liveth,
Dr. Harris: She be married to another man
Dr. Kinley: She be married to another man
Dr. Harris: she shall be called an adulteress.
Dr. Kinley: That's under the Law. That's why, because he said, 'I speak to them that know the Law.' Read.
Dr. Harris: But if her husband be dead
Dr. Kinley: But if her husband be dead
Dr. Harris: she is free from that law
Dr. Kinley: she's free from the law
Dr. Harris: so that she is no adulteress
Dr. Kinley: so that she is no adulteress
Dr. Harris: though she be married to another man
Dr. Kinley: though she be married to another. Now you see what he's talking about? Read on down Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Wherefore, my brethren,
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore, my brethren,
Dr. Harris: ye also are become dead to the law
Dr. Kinley: Now you have become dead to the Law. That's the reason why you haven't got no business running out here just grabbing up a woman or a man, that don't have the Spirit in him. I'm just, I'm talking plain so you can understand what I'm talking about. Cause they ain't gonna behave, they ain't gonna do right, and you ain't gonna wanna put up with it. And for the most part you ain't right, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You ain't right. And that's why you can't stand to put up with it. Yahweh suffered their manners in the Wilderness back here and put up with it; but now, it ain't gonna work after the flesh no more. We're not married to the flesh anymore, it's the Spirit now ____ ____. And all this ignorance and all this.., that's the reason why, let me see if I can say it this way. That's the reason why the Roman Catholic Church has this kind of a sign: when you're in the Roman Catholic Church, you're not supposed to marry anybody else but a Roman Catholic, but they will grant you to marry a Protestant, if you make an oath that
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you will raise your children in the Roman Catholic Church. Now that's the devil negotiating for your children before they're born, or even before they're conceived. Alright read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Wherefore, my brethren,
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore, my brethren,
Dr. Harris: ye also are become dead to the law
Dr. Kinley: you're become dead to the law
Dr. Harris: by the body of the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: by the body of the Messiah
Dr. Harris: that ye should be married to another
Dr. Kinley: That you should be. You shouldn't be married to the flesh. And when you say that, you as Gentiles, you never was in the first place. And the Gentiles, they did by nature better than Jews did. Look how Pharaoh, when Abraham went down there. Abraham went down there and Sarah was a good looking woman. And Abraham told him that she was his sister. She was. His sister, and husband too. And Pharaoh put, took and put her in his harem, and when he found out that she was Abraham's wife, she was Abraham's wife, said, 'Look, you take your wife and get out of here. You come might near making me commit an awful sin.' That's a Gentile. Alright read on, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: that ye should be married to another,
Dr. Kinley: Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: even to Him who is raised from the dead
Dr. Kinley: even to Him that is raised from the dead
Dr. Harris: that we should bring forth fruit unto Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: that we should bring forth fruit unto Yahweh. Dr. Harris drop on down there in that seventh chapter and the
Dr. Harris: 14th verse.
Dr. Kinley: 14th verse.
Dr. Harris: For we know that the law is spiritual
Dr. Kinley: Now, now we know that the Law is spiritual.
Dr. Harris: but I am carnal
Dr. Kinley: But now there's where your problem is. Now I want you to understand this. Paul is talking about himself in his carnal state under the Dispensation of the Law. He is.., now the reason I brought this up and brought it up this way is because there's some misunderstanding. And they think that them satanic spirits is incarnated right in a person with the Holy Spirit, and that's just not so. You ain't got no two spirits in you like that. No sir. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Dr. Kinley: Sold under sin.
Dr. Harris: For that which I do
Dr. Kinley: Therefore, that which I do
Dr. Harris: I know not why
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Dr. Kinley: I don't even know why I do it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) But I'll tell you, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life, just like, let me put it like this: they have built in 'em desires; that is a man doesn't have control of his body, the woman has the control over his body. And the man has control over the woman's body. Now he said, 'as what I do,' well now there's a little bit difference in Paul here, because Paul was a eunuch and he didn't have none of them sexual passions and desires and what not. And so he said, 'now what I do,' talking about many other things besides that one thing, said, 'I don't know why.' Read on.
Dr. Harris: for what I would
Dr. Kinley: for what I would
Dr. Harris: that I do not
Dr. Kinley: He means that's what he don't do. That's in his carnal state under the Dispensation of the Law. And listen he told Timothy he was an injurious person and he was a blasphemer, but he received mercy because he did it through ignorance. He didn't know that he was to be an apostle until Yahweh appeared or Yahshua appeared to him in the, on the highway going to Damascus, and he's taking Judas's place. Alright read on, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: what I hate, that I do
Dr. Kinley: but what I hate
Dr. Harris: that I do.
Dr. Kinley: That I do.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's just the way some of us are. You wanna do nice and you wanna be a good fellow and all like a that, and you just can't behave yourself to save your life. Well do you know what your problem is? You're carnal. Then you commence to hunting around and try to find some justifiable excuse for your, your disobedience. Then you get hot with somebody because they don't believe you're right. You're just as wrong as two left shoes. That's right. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: If then I do that which I would not
Dr. Kinley: If I do that I would not
Dr. Harris: I consent unto the law that it is good
Dr. Kinley: I consent, I have to agree with the law that it, that the law is good Read.
Dr. Harris: Now then it is no more I that do it
Dr. Kinley: Now, it's no more I that do it
Dr. Harris: but sin that dwelleth in me
Dr. Kinley: But sin or the demoniac spirit or the devil that's in you. Read.
Dr. Harris: For I know that in me
Dr. Kinley: For I know that in me
Dr. Harris: That is, in my flesh
Dr. Kinley: That is, in my flesh
Dr. Harris: dwelleth no good thing
Dr. Kinley: There is no good thing
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Dr. Harris: for the will to do good is present with me
Dr. Kinley: For the will to do good is present with me
Dr. Harris: but how to perform
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute, when he was down there killing them people and persecuting 'em, his will was to do good. He thought he was right. He wasn't.., didn't mean to do wrong. When he's killing up them people and all, he thought they was doing wrong because they wouldn't keep the law. He willed to do good. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: but how to perform that which is good, I do not
Dr. Kinley: But now, now, how to, how to perform. Now all you have to do if you don't know how to perform is ask the Roman Catholic church and the Protestants and they'll tell you how to perform. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Keeping the Lord's Suppers, christening little babies, he's performing. But Paul didn't know how to perform cause there ain't no performance to it. He's just preaching the gospel and by the foolishness of preaching the gospel will save them that believe. That's what he sent them out to do to preach the gospel, not to perform like that. Alright read on, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: For the good that I would
Dr. Kinley: For the good that I would
Dr. Harris: I do not
Dr. Kinley: I don't do that.
Dr. Harris: but the evil which I would not
Dr. Harris: that I do.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's what he was doing. He didn't have the Holy Spirit. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Now if I do that I would not
Dr. Kinley: Now if I do that I would not
Dr. Harris: it is no more I that do it
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? It's no more me that's doing it.
Dr. Harris: but sin that dwelleth in me.
Dr. Kinley: but sin that dwelleth in me. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: I find then a law,
Dr. Kinley: I find then a law,
Dr. Harris: that, when I would do good,
Dr. Kinley: that, when I would do good.
Dr. Harris: evil is present with me.
Dr. Kinley: Evil is present with me.
Dr. Harris: For I delight in the law of Yahweh after the inward man:
Dr. Kinley: For I delight in the law of Yahweh after the inward man:
Dr. Harris: But I see another law in my members,
Dr. Kinley: Oh, oh, I see another law in my members.
Dr. Harris: warring against the law of my mind,
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Dr. Kinley: The law of the Spirit of Life warring against your carnal mind. You set up here with the Law of the Spirit preaching to you trying to tell you, and then that other Law, that carnal mind, just like you say you keep carnal ordinances as far as your eating and drinking, but that carnal mind in you be raised up just like he did.., just like he's talking about. That's that other Law that's warring against the Law of the Spirit. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And bringing me into captivity
Dr. Kinley: And that's brought him into captivity.
Dr. Harris: to the law of sin which is in my members.
Dr. Kinley: To the law of sin which was in his members.
Dr. Harris: O wretched man that I am.
Dr. Kinley: O wretched man that I am.
Dr. Harris: who shall deliver me from this body of death?
Dr. Kinley: Who shall deliver him from the flesh, from the body of this flesh, O wretched man. That's what.., he was a wretched, very wretched man. I'm talking about Saul under the Dispensation of the Law.
Look, I've tried my best, I've done everything I know to do to try to show you something. This is what I told you, I told you that you have chapter and verse. The chapter is divided. The subject may be up here in this one, and the predicate down here. And when you put the chapter in there and you begin with the chapter and start down just like you might take the sixth chapter, 'What shall we say then.' Then the subject is back up here. Now here you got one of them things. Now you're fixing to find out something now. You're fixing to find whether this is fact or not that there's two spirits in a person. Now we're fixing, now we're fixing to find out something. Alright now that was seventh chapter.
Dr. Harris: I got one more verse.
Dr. Kinley: You got one more verse. Oh wretched man
Dr. Harris: O wretched man that I am. Who shall deliver me from this body of death?
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: Thanks be to Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: Thanks be to Yahweh,
Dr. Harris: I have deliverance
Dr. Kinley: I have deliverance
Dr. Harris: through Yahshua the Messiah our Savior
Dr. Kinley: through Yahshua the.., our Savior, we have deliverance.
Dr. Harris: So then with the mind I myself serve the law of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: while my flesh is subject to the law of sin.
Dr. Kinley: That's right my, my flesh is subject to the law of sin. Alright now. Just go right on, just like you been doing.
Dr. Harris: There is therefore now
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Dr. Kinley: Now, now here's where I'm going to get straightened out now. Now, now here's where we're gonna get straightened out. We're gonna find out whether there's two spirits in there or not. Repeat again, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: There is therefore now
Dr. Kinley: Now, there is therefore now in this present dispensation and age. Read.
Dr. Harris: no condemnation
Dr. Kinley: No there isn't no condemnation. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: to them which are in Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: To them which are IN Yahshua, there ain't no condemnation there; to them that are in. Read.
Dr. Harris: who walk not after the flesh,
Dr. Kinley: You won't walk after this back here, after the flesh. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: but after the Spirit.
Dr. Kinley: but after the Spirit. Read.
Dr. Harris: For the law of the Spirit of life
Dr. Kinley: For the law.., oop, oop, whoop, hold everything now. For the law of the Spirit of Life. Look folks, I want you to get this one understood, if you don't understand nothing else. You have been under the Law of the Spirit of Life, every thing, and you are gonna never be from under it, cause that's not the Law contained in the ordinances of the Jews ____ ____, that's the difference.
Now then we come to the civil law too. Peter said, 'obey the ordinance of man for Yahweh's sake.' You ain't got no business out there running through the red light and all. Obey the city ordinances. Alright read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: For the law of the Spirit of life
Dr. Kinley: For the law of the Spirit of life
Dr. Harris: in Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: I want you to know He was not a sinner. And I want you to know that He had the Law of the Spirit of Life in Him, and the devil was not in Him. But that didn't keep the devil from testing Him out there in the Wilderness. Yes indeed. And anytime you get in this school, you gonna, you're gonna have a test. And your fight ain't gonna always be out yonder somewhere either with your old lady. It's gonna be right up in here, war going on, warring in ____. Every time you get up in the morning first thing you do is kill old you, and you heard it, and make sure he's dead too. Don't, don't take no chances on it, make sure he's dead, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Time to take a little test and see whether he's breathing or not. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Is he breathing? Fix him up some more. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Don't leave there until he's dead. That's you I'm talking about. That's right. Now look what he said. Repeat it again.
Dr. Harris: For the law of the Spirit of life in Yahshua the Messiah
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Dr. Kinley: Now this is what I want you.., for the law of the Spirit of life, that's L S
D. We ain't going off on no trip. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Dr. Kinley: Now look, the Law of the Spirit of Life hath made me free from the law of sin and death. He's delivered from that. And we are not actually married to the flesh. But now the seventh chapter.., I, I ain't got time to go into it. But the seventh chapter of Corinthians... Now if you are.., go in.., you went and got a wife before you got in this school and before you had any sense, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) then you just keep her, if she be pleased to dwell with you. If she ain't pleased to dwell with you, let her go. Then if she goes, let her remain unmarried. If she takes a notion, she wants to be married, let her go back to her husband. Now how about that? Now look folks, we do know what we're talking about down here in the school. Ephesians 5:22. And let's hurry now because I know the time is... Ring the bell on me too.
Dr. Harris: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands,
Dr. Kinley: Wives, submit yourselves to your own husband. That's what we're talking about, husbands and wives. Wives, submit yourselves unto your husbands.
Dr. Harris: as unto the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: Now we ain't gonna do that. No siree. You'll have a awful hard time trying to find a woman to do that. You know what she'd say to you? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) 'Say look Buster, I'm working out here on the job. I'm helping out with the expenses and first one thing and another around here.' And then Paul said that a man would seek to please his wife. Don't forget that. And she's helping to bring in some bread and some meat, so 'I'll help make the decisions around here. I ain't gonna submit to nothing.' Alright read on. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: For the husband is the head of the wife,
Dr. Kinley: For the husband is the hind parts of the wife. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) He's a pantywaist. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: even as the Messiah is the head of the assembly:
Dr. Kinley: even as the Messiah is the head of the assembly:
Dr. Harris: and He is the Savior of the Body.
Dr. Kinley: And He is the Savior of the Body.
Dr. Harris: Therefore as the assembly is subject unto the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
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Dr. Harris: so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
Dr. Kinley: Now it says to their own husbands, not to somebody else's. You heard me you ain't blind. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Oh, I tell you, this is, this is, what this thing really amounts to and what it really shows up is, is Yahshua and His wife, or Yahweh and His wife back under the Wilderness, in the Wilderness. And you are not justified, you're just simply not justified. And then these folks running around out here, every time, just like I just got through telling you. They put this one down and go and get another one. Put that.., man and woman. Mickey Rooney been married about seven times. And that's way they do.
Now look, if you are fortunate enough to have a wife or a husband, and you're in this school, and you're married to 'em, and you didn't know the reality of the thing. Hold what you got. Alright read on, Doc.
Dr. Harris: Husbands, love your wives,
Dr. Kinley: Now here we are, back again, husbands, love your wives. Now it says wives submit yourselves unto your husbands. Now the husband ain't gonna give way, 'I got on the pants, I'm the boss around here, you hear me or else get your rags and get out of here.' Husbands love your wives
Dr. Harris: even as the Messiah also love the church
Dr. Kinley: 'I ain't gonna do it.' (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) You see that now? Wives submit yourselves unto your husbands as unto the Messiah, or unto Yahweh. 'I ain't gonna do it.' 'Husbands love your wives even as Yahshua the Messiah also loved the Church and gave Himself for it that He might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of the water by the Word that He might present it unto Himself, a glorious assembly, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that it should be holy.' Is that almost..? Now if you thought I had went off somewhere and forgot ____? Skip on down and get the last two verse at the end of it.
Dr. Harris: This is a great mystery
Dr. Kinley: Now you see what your problem is? This is a great mystery. You didn't understand Paul over there. Now look folks, these people down under the Dispensation of the Law.., I'm gonna say this to you real easy. They did not have the Holy Spirit. They could not keep this Law. Now Paul was speaking to them that know the Law. The Law said thou shall not commit adultery. That's what the Law said. But now that's what Yahshua the Messiah said, I didn't, He said, a wicked and adulteress.., that's what it was. And that's what it was out here in the Wilderness. That's what it was all the way through, and that's what it still is. Now look, suppose I just go ahead on and tell you this. You're my wife. You're married to me. Now how do you like that?
Student Body: That's alright.
Dr. Kinley: You like that?
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Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: 'You mean to tell me all these folks here is yours?' Sure. 'Well, there's some men in the assembly too. You have them ____ too.' There's no difference between a male and a female. Now Yahweh sent me to you, and it is the spirit of Yahshua the Messiah that's in you that makes me yours and you are mine. You're my charge and you're my wife. Now don't you think I oughta be justified in telling my wife what it's all about? This is a great mystery.
Dr. Harris: But I speak concerning the Messiah and the assembly
Dr. Kinley: But I speak concerning the Messiah and the assembly. Now did I get over anything to you? I wanna, I wanna, I'm trying to quit. I tried to show you where Paul when he was talking there about why he, when he would do good and all: that's him in his carnal state; that's him in his depraved state; that's him under the law; that's him with a demoniac spirit in him; then he couldn't do that that he would. Now if you bring it on over here. You got people now trying to do there things back there, and they can't do 'em. It ain't doing a bit of good. And then they jump up and lie about it, eating.., do what you call eating the Lord's supper and rub his belly and said, 'oh, it sure does feel good.' And as Dr. Harris said this morning a little ole wafer got hung up in maybe a cavity in his tooth, and didn't even swallow it down in his belly. All this was given.., listen folks. Now listen, we wanna make this real plain, ____ ____ keeping the Sabbath day, circumcision, physical water baptism, ten commandment law, sacrifices and what not. Roger, all of it was given to the Jew, There's nothing in your Bible that says anything about it being given to you as Gentiles. That was all under, that was in another world, another age. You are in a new world. You are in a Spirit world. Paul said 'that as many that are led of the Spirit, they are the sons of Yahweh.' And Yahweh, look here folks, all these.., I want you to see what I'm talking about. I want you to understand what I'm talking about. All of these natural sacrifices and everything, and all this water baptizing, all this circumcision, every bit of it pointed to the Spirit. Now when you got the Spirit, you've fulfilled everything of it in Yahshua the Messiah. And these lying bastards and devils out here... And that's why... 'Oh, he done cursed now, now I know he's getting mad now.'
END OF SIDE 2 TAPE 1
(THIS LAST PORTION WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT, BUT WAS NOT INCLUDED ON THE AUDIO TAPE, IT WAS PROBABLY LOST IN DUPLICATION)
No. Anytime you can't be chastised by the Scriptures you are a bastard. Yahshua said that. Yahweh chasteneth every son who He receiveth and if you receive not chastisement then you are a, that's the 12th chapter of Hebrew, it's in the book. We tell you what the scriptures say and you gotta go on out just the same and pay
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no attention. You are a bastard. And let me tell you this, you're good for the lake. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. Now I hope you got something out of it.
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by Dr. H. C. Kinley
1040 South Grand, Los Angeles, California
1 90 minute audio cassettes
Catalog #: 74.1030
1978
originally transcribed by Beverly Allen
1997
first proofreading: Laurie Steinberg
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fourth proofreading: International Public Relations
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
(THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH WAS IN THE ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT BUT NOT FOUND ON THE TAPE USED FOR PROOFREADING. IT WAS PROBABLY LOST IN TAPE DUPLICATION) Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. Now I know all of you really did enjoy Dr. Wakefield, he told you the truth. He told you like it is, and if he preaches down there what he preached here, he is in trouble, no question about that, no argument at all. Now you know tonight is what we have set up as a question and answer period, and we always like to answer your questions and I'm
Dr. Kinley: sure that you should have had some questions. You should ask questions and ____ ____ session. I've asked the questions and answered 'em myself. I didn't give you ____ ____; in other words I picked up your vibration, and then explained that one and therefore you didn't have much of a chance to misunderstand or misinterpret what was being said, so forth and so on.
So now I want to put it like this, that Dr. Wakefield told you about the name. Now all of you know that in this school, that the names are important, and it's just simply down right stupidity for somebody to say that after they've learned the true names, they don't make.., a name don't make no difference. I've had the people to say that, 'well what's in a name, a name don't make no difference.' Yes it does. You try reading Acts of Apostles about 4:10 and 11, it says there is no other name given among men whereby man can be saved, saving the name of Yahshua the
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Messiah.
Now, speaking of Yahshua the Messiah, there is some places in your book that they forgot, overlooked, and I meant to tell you about that sometime. And they wrote the name Messiah out in the book, it's in John, and they didn't change back in the original manuscript, they just wrote it out there and said, 'the Messiah,' but the other places they called Him 'Jesus Christ.' That's one place they overlooked.
But we won't go into that now, I think there's some things that need to be said, discussed and talked about, because there have been a lot of misunderstanding about it in the school, and around the world, all over the world. And it's not going just a lit.., a last time but it was that way when Yahshua the Messiah was here. Nothing new about it at all. And it's some things that we ought to know. To tell you the truth about it, you already know, you know better than.., but you just go head on and make on like you don't know, and we know you do know, and a whole lot of ignorant questions and all, about things that you already know.
For example, to tell you what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a man and a woman or a wife and a husband. Now you already know about that. You already know about adultery and fornication. Now why come up and ask me a whole lot of damnable, stupid questions about that when you already know. You don't expect me to justify you in nothing like that. If I did, then I wouldn't be what I said I was. Now do you understand what I'm talking about? Now look, I said it wasn't no new thing, so I'm gonna point it out in the book. Matt 12:39.
Dr. Harris: But He answered and said unto them
Dr. Kinley: Better go back and get the subject Doc.
Dr. Harris: Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered saying, Rabbi, we would see a sign from thee.
Dr. Kinley: Now, it said, Rabbi, we would see a sign from you. We wanna see a sign. Now, you know signs are important. And so now here they are, been following Him around. He's been healing the sick, raising the dead, curing all kinds of diseases, leprosy, feeding the multitudes and all lika-that; He being the Messiah. Then so much so until Nicodemus said, 'Master, we know that you're a teacher come from Yahweh.' 'How do you know that?' Said, 'no man can do the miracles which you do except Yahweh be with him.' Now here they are, asking Him, 'we would see a sign.' One of them stupid and silly things, after looking at Him perform all of these miracles, proving that He was the Messiah. Now they do the same thing to you, and still know better. 'And now Master show us a sign.' Now as many healings and all that has been in this school, somebody comes along and say, 'well, show us a sign.' And expect you to show'em some kind of a sign to prove that you are something. Alright read on.
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Dr. Harris: But He answered and said unto them
Dr. Kinley: Now but He answered and said unto them
Dr. Harris: An evil and adulterous generation
Dr. Kinley: An evil... Now I told you to start off with, an evil and an adulterous generation do what?
Dr. Harris: Seeketh after a sign.
Dr. Kinley: Seeketh after a sign.
Dr. Harris: And there
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute. Now I want you to see, and I don't want you to drop the ball there. He said an evil and an adulterous generation. Now they knew, in Exodus, the 20th chapter of Exodus. In the law that was given to the Jews, they knew what adultery was. Said, 'thou shalt not commit adultery.' Is that right? And they was busily engaged in committing adultery, so much so that there was a whole generation of 'em. It was an evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign. You see that now. And He said to them what?
Dr. Harris: And there shall no sign be given to them
Dr. Kinley: And there shall no sign be given them
Dr. Harris: But the sign of the prophet Jonah
Dr. Kinley: But the sign of the prophet Jonah
Dr. Harris: For as Jonah was three days
Dr. Kinley: For as Jonah was three days
Dr. Harris: And three nights in the fish's belly
Dr. Kinley: and three nights in the belly
Dr. Harris: so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see there, now there won't be no sign given except that sign. For the Son of Man would be three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, in the heart of the earth, as Jonah was in the belly of the fish. Now that's all the sign that's gonna be given. That is, He's gonna resurrect from the dead, just like Jonah was belched up by the fish and all, on the shore out there, after he was in there three days and three nights. Now then, that thing too has never been understood by Christendoom, three days and three nights. They got it by you counting Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday, and that's three days and three nights. It ain't like that. It was known only to Yahweh, them three days, and them.., them three days. There has never been no days like that at all. Zechariah, I believe. Read it Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Zechariah 14:6.
Dr. Kinley: Zechariah 14:6.
Dr. Harris: It shall come to pass in that day
Dr. Kinley: It shall come to pass in that day
Dr. Harris: That the light shall not be clear in some places
Dr. Kinley: That the the light shall not be clear in some places
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Dr. Harris: And dark in other places of the world
Dr. Kinley: And dark in the other places in the world
Dr. Harris: But is shall be one day
Dr. Kinley: Now wait, but it shall be one day
Dr. Harris: Which shall be known to Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: That it'll be known only to Yahweh.
Dr. Harris: Not day nor night
Dr. Kinley: Not day nor night
Dr. Harris: But it shall come to pass
Dr. Kinley: But it shall come to pass
Dr. Harris: That at even time
Dr. Kinley: That at evening time, it shall be light. Now in the evening time it shall
be light. Now read on.
Dr. Harris: And it shall be in that day that living waters
Dr. Kinley: And it shall be in that day
Dr. Harris: That living waters shall go out from Jerusalem
Dr. Kinley: that living, living waters shall go out from Jerusalem. Now you see that? Now that's a day that's known only to Yahweh.
That's the reason why I try my best to tell you that don't nobody know a thing about the purpose of Yahweh but Yahweh Himself. Now it, it, it, it states it right there that it's known only to Him, that, that day. Now look, if you go back to Genesis, if you go back to Genesis and you see there it says the darkness is upon the face of the deep. And Yahweh said, let there be light, and there was light. Now it wasn't, it wasn't the sun that was there. Now then, this day back here with Yah.., that was known only to Yahweh too. Now you say in six days... Oh I tell you this, this, this, this thing is such a mystery until it's hard to explain to people cause that is within their understanding, most particular you don't really wanna know. You have to wanna know something about that. And then not only that, you have to be willing to do the thing. And now, there isn't no way at all... Now listen, get this straight. There's no way for you to fool Yahweh. Now, you just might as well quit kidding yourself. And your conscience condemns you when you do something you know is wrong, like adultery. Why come to me and ask me about adultery and fornication, homosexuality, heterosexuality? Why you want to come to me and ask me about that? You know all about it. Why come to me and ask me about marriage and divorce? You've known it all your life. No, you expect me to justify you in some of your wrong doing. Then I wanna tell you this too. Every woman that has on a dress, every female that has on a dress is not a wife. And every man that has on a pair of pants is not a husband. There is such a thing as whoredom. How about that? Now with you, the church is the bride of Yahshua the Messiah. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: If the church is the bride or the congregation or assembly is the bride of Yahshua the Messiah... Now listen, I didn't say the churches, I said The Church. That's, that's a, that's an adjective. The is an adjective, pointing out a definite article there. The Church. I didn't say Roman Catholic Church either. Now then, if you come up with the churches, then what you've done, you've made Him a whore master and you've got Him in adultery. That's denominationalism, when the real church or the real congregation or assembly is a chaste virgin. Now if you want that read, I'll read. Now it would seem to me, it would seem to me... Then, and then people say, 'well, were you talking to me?' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) They take ____ ____. 'Were you talking to me?' They know good and well they were into something they ain't got no business.., and want me to justify 'em by telling them, 'no, I wasn't talking about you.'
Now Yahshua the Messiah, let me tell you about this. The Scripture says that.., but Yahshua the Messiah put it this way, He didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Pharisees and scribes, they thought to themselves, 'well, He, He didn't come to call me, I'm righteous.' He didn't know the scriptures. The scriptures said there was none righteous, no, not a one, so He was talking about the whole business. I just got through telling you about Matthew there, a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign. You see that now? Yes, He's talking about you. Sure. But now here's one thing, you don't expect me to get up here in this pulpit and say, 'Roger Jackson you're a sinner, and you're committing adultery and fornication.' You don't expect me to do that, do you? You show me some place in the Bible where Yahshua the Messiah went around and said, 'Peter, you're a..,' or Matthew or Mark or somebody. He didn't personate like that. No, that, that, that isn't the way, that isn't the way it was done. He preached to everybody, He preached to every creature. And look there wasn't any righteous, no not a one.
Yahshua died to save them that believe. Yahweh gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him should have everlasting life, and he that believeth not shall be destroyed or damned. Now that's the way it is folks.
Now what we have tried to do in this school, we have tried our best to tell you the truth, just like it is, and I've, I have said this and even wrote it in our book. Now I'm not gonna apologize for telling you the truth. I'm just not gonna do it. I'm gonna tell you the truth just like it is, then you can do whatever you want to do about it. And if you are doing something that's wrong, yes, the, the, the word is to you. Now if you don't stop, then you're just gonna be lost. You can't be saved that way. Did I make that, Bishop, have I made myself clear and plain? You don't expect me to get up here and personate people and say this, that, and the other one. Is that right?
Now, then I want to tell you something else about this situation too, about this adultery and fornication and what-not. A man and a woman can be living right in a house together under the same roof with a piece of paper that you got down here at the courts, and not be a man and wife. Now I didn't say they wasn't a man and a woman. And they can be wrong, both of them, just as wrong as two left shoes. A lotta that going on too. He's out doing this and doing that, and doing the other. The unfaithfulness. They know it's wrong. Now, that's just about enough of that, ain't it? That's just about enough of that. Now you don't just look out at the outer appearance of things and judge from what you see all the time about a man and
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wife or so forth and so on. It, it, it, it don't work like that. I know a fellow, I'm not gonna call no names, but I know a fellow that stayed with a woman, come and asked me about it. And I said, 'naw,' I said, 'stay there.' That's what I tell 'em all. And there is nobody that can come to me in this school and say that I've justified or told them to go and do something wrong like that. Every man and every woman that ever had a piece of paper and was recognized as man and wife, I told 'em to stay together and if they had some children, I said, 'raise the children.' Now anybody that's been knowing me, for lo these many years, if I have told you to leave one another, even if you were just called man and wife, stand up, I'd like to see you. I don't do it that way. Then not only that, when it comes to this business of getting up going down here to the courts and getting a piece of paper, I advise you to go down there and get a piece of paper. All of you there that come to me and ask me anything about it, I told you to go down and get a piece of paper. I know that don't make a man and wife, but at least somebody else that thinks so, you have the protection of the civil law. You won't have the people accusing you of something, cause all they can do is look at you and see this, and that, and the other. And oftentimes we make a mistake about things like that. Just like Dr. Wakefield said here, now he's talking about Yahweh, the other's.., some one down there's talking about the Lord, but he thinks that he's wrong. He never looked it up. So now that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's the way things go when it comes to these marriages and what nots.
Well, that, that oughta do for that. But now I wanna tell you something. It's your soul. You can't be, you can't be saved like that. Just might as well straighten up and fly right. That's the way it is. Now, there's justification in a divorce for one or two things. Now Dr. Harris is gonna read about it.
Dr. Harris: 7th chapter of Romans. Matthew the 19th chapter.
Someone: 7th chapter of Romans.
Dr. Kinley: He said 7th chapter of Romans.
Dr. Harris: Matthew 19
Dr. Kinley: Matt. 19th. 19:6, I think it is. And it is in the 7th chapter of Romans too, and it's also in the 7th chapter of 1 Corinthians.
Dr. Harris: Third verse. The Pharisees also came unto him
Dr. Kinley: Now the Pharisees also came unto him
Dr. Harris: tempting him
Dr. Kinley: Now, they knew better, but they came unto him, tempting
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Dr. Harris: And saying unto him
Dr. Kinley: No. Now the word tempt. It ought, it ought not to be tempt. It oughta be testing. Testing His ability or what He knew about it. That's what's written in the law. They knew what was in the law. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: Saying unto Him
Dr. Kinley: Saying unto Him
Dr. Harris: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
Dr. Kinley: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause. Read.
Dr. Harris: And He answered and said unto them
Dr. Kinley: And He answered and said unto them
Dr. Harris: Have ye not read?
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, haven't you read?
Dr. Harris: That He which made them
Dr. Kinley: That He which made them
Dr. Harris: At the beginning
Dr. Kinley: At the beginning
Dr. Harris: Made them male and female
Dr. Kinley: Made them male and female
Dr. Harris: And said
Dr. Kinley: And said
Dr. Harris: For this cause shall a man leave father and mother
Dr. Kinley: And for this cause shall a man... Who said that?
Dr. Harris: The one that made them.
Dr. Kinley: Oh, I see. I thought you said Adam said that. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Now you see that, how you can get the reality of the thing. Adam didn't, Adam didn't say that, Yahweh said that. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: For this cause shall a man leave father and mother and shall cleave to his wife.
Dr. Kinley: And shall cleave to his wife.
Dr. Harris: And they twain shall be one flesh
Dr. Kinley: And they twain shall be be flesh
Dr. Harris: Wherefore, they are no more twain but one flesh.
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore, they are no more twain
Dr. Harris: but one flesh.
Dr. Kinley: but one flesh.
Dr. Harris: What therefore Yahweh has joined together
Dr. Kinley: What therefore Yahweh has joined together
Dr. Harris: Let not man put asunder
Dr. Kinley: Let not man put asunder. Don't let him do it.
Dr. Harris: They say unto Him, why did Moses then command
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Dr. Kinley: Then, now here they come up with the question. Then why did Moses..? They're testing Him now. Then why did Moses... That's the way some of 'em come to me, 'then why so and so and so and so?' Cause they're testing my ability. Why then did Moses give them a bill of divorcement and ____ ____ ____ ____? Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: They say unto Him why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: and put her away if she were not pleasing in his sight?
Dr. Kinley: That's right
Dr. Harris: He said unto them
Dr. Kinley: He said unto him
Dr. Harris: Moses, because of the hardness of your heart
Dr. Kinley: Moses, because of the hardness of your heart
Dr. Harris: Permitted you to put away your wives
Dr. Kinley: Permitted you to put away your wives
Dr. Harris: But from the beginning it was not so
Dr. Kinley: Now but from the beginning it was not so
Dr. Harris: And I say unto you
Dr. Kinley: And I say unto you
Dr. Harris: Whosoever shall divorce his wife
Dr. Kinley: Whosoever shall divorce his wife
Dr. Harris: Except it be for fornication
Dr. Kinley: Except.., whoop whoop whoop whoop. That messes up the party now. Except it be for fornication. Now I wanna make this real clear right here. That's why I said there's a lot of 'em living together, got a piece of paper, and they done running out there and, and, and, and, and performed these things, and they think don't nobody know nothing about it. And it's all covered up and hid. Now what you did, you've severed the relationship, as far as Yahweh is concerned. That's what you've done. Is that what it says? Try reading it again.
Dr. Harris: And I say unto you
Dr. Kinley: Now this is an authority that's talking here.
Dr. Harris: Whosoever, shall divorce his wife, except it be for fornication
Dr. Kinley: Except it be for fornication, didn't say adultery, said fornication. Then what?
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Dr. Harris: And shall marry another
Dr. Kinley: And shall marry another
Dr. Harris: Committeth adultery
Dr. Kinley: Committeth adultery
Dr. Harris: And whoso marrieth her
Dr. Kinley: And whoso marrieth her
Dr. Harris: Which is divorced
Dr. Kinley: Which is divorced
Dr. Harris: Doth also commit adultery
Dr. Kinley: Doth also commit adultery. See that now. Now that's the only justification. Now you just read what, what it was all about.
Now this is what some of 'em have done in the school, and out there in other places. Got what you call free love, just like animals, justified in running around with this woman and that man and so forth and so on, then want somebody to justify 'em. Not so. Now go to the seventh chapter of Matthew, I mean the seventh chapter of Romans.
Dr. Harris: Know ye not brethren
Dr. Kinley: Don't you know brethren
Dr. Harris: For I speak to them that know the law
Dr. Kinley: Now just a minute. He's talking to them that know the law. See that now? That know the law. I said that know the law. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: How that the law have dominion over a man
Dr. Kinley: How that the law have dominion over a man
Dr. Harris: As long as he liveth
Dr. Kinley: As long as he lives
Dr. Harris: For the woman which hath a husband
Dr. Kinley: For the woman which has a husband
Dr. Harris: is bound by the law to her husband
Dr. Kinley: is bound by the law to her husband
Dr. Harris: so long as he liveth
Dr. Kinley: so long as he liveth
Dr. Harris: but if the husband be dead
Dr. Kinley: but if the husband be dead
Dr. Harris: She is loosed from the law of her husband.
Dr. Kinley: She is loosed from the law of her husband. Now wait just a minute now. Now this is the law we're talking about now. Somebody said, 'well, that was back under the dispensation of the law.' Yes it was, but that ain't gonna help your situation none. It ain't gonna justify you in saying, 'well, that's under the dispensation of the law.' You can come up here and put your wife down. We'll get to that too, over here in the seventh chapter of 1 Corinthians. Alright, read on.
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Dr. Harris: so then, if while her husband liveth
Dr. Kinley: so then, if while her husband liveth
Dr. Harris: she be married to another man
Dr. Kinley: she be married to another man
Dr. Harris: she shall be called an adulteress
Dr. Kinley: She shall be called an adulteress. Now that's what the law said. The Mosaic law I'm talking about. Alright, somebody'll say, 'well now we ain't living under the law now.' Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: but if her husband be dead
Dr. Kinley: but if her husband be dead
Dr. Harris: she is free from that law
Dr. Kinley: she is free from that law
Dr. Harris: so that she is no adulteress
Dr. Kinley: so that she is no adulteress
Dr. Harris: though she be married to another man
Dr. Kinley: she be married to another man. Alright.
Dr. Harris: Wherefore my brethren
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore my brethren
Dr. Harris: ye also are become dead to the law
Dr. Kinley: If you've become dead to the law
Dr. Harris: by the body of the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: by the body of the Messiah. You've become dead to the law. He's talking to the Jews, not the Gentiles, because the Gentiles, they didn't have the law. But he's talking to them that know the law. Alright now read.
Dr. Harris: that you should be married to another
Dr. Kinley: that you should, that you should be married to another. Repeat that Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Wherefore my brethren
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore my brethren
Dr. Harris: ye also are become dead to the law
Dr. Kinley: ye also have become dead to the law
Dr. Harris: by the body of the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: by the body of the Messiah
Dr. Harris: that ye should be married to another
Dr. Kinley: that you should be married to another
Dr. Harris: even to him who is raised from the dead.
Dr. Kinley: Now you, you're married to Him that raised from the dead. And look here, I want you to get that thing straight. There is no divorce. None of no kind. Now how about that? You are married to another, even unto the Messiah, and there ain't gonna be no divorce. How about that? And when you are married to Him, actually, I mean sure enough married to Him, you ain't going to be running around after no other church or no other woman. How about that? Well. Back here under the law, if you look at Jeremiah, hold what you got. If you look at this back
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here under the law, Yahweh called Israel His wife. Yahweh did. Well now, Israel was in the flesh and He was in the spirit when He called Israel His wife. And He said that He was a good husband to her. But now the New Covenant divorced you from the law. It was not Yahweh that died, He has never been dead, but it was Yahshua the Messiah that died. So when He died and resurrected from the dead, you were crucified with Him, and consequently resurrected with Him, if so be that you have accepted the truth or you've been grafted in by faith. Is that right? And I want you to understand there ain't gonna be no divorce. How about that? And there ain't gonna be no running around after another man. There ain't gonna be no running around after another woman. How about that?
You just about got enough of this now. Is that right? Alright now, somebody wants to come up here, 'well, all that was under the law.' Alright now, let's go over here, and let's get out from under the law. I want the seventh chapter of 1 Corinthians. Try that.
Dr. Harris: Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me
Dr. Kinley: Now they were puzzled and they wrote to Paul about it. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me.
Dr. Harris: It is good for a man not to touch a woman
Dr. Kinley: It's good for a man not to touch a woman
Dr. Harris: Nevertheless,
Dr. Kinley: Nevertheless,
Dr. Harris: to avoid fornication
Dr. Kinley: to avoid fornication
Dr. Harris: let every man have his own wife.
Dr. Kinley: Now just a minute now, just a minute. Just a minute. Just a minute. Say folks this is in the Bible. Now you knew it was there before you come down here tonight. You follow me? You know, you know better than these things. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: nevertheless, to avoid fornication
Dr. Kinley: nevertheless to avoid fornication
Dr. Harris: let every man have his own wife
Dr. Kinley: let every man have his own wife
Dr. Harris: and let every woman have her own husband
Dr. Kinley: and let every woman have her own husband
Dr. Harris: let the husband render unto the wife
Dr. Kinley: let the husband render unto the wife
Dr. Harris: due benevolence
Dr. Kinley: due benevolence
Dr. Harris: and likewise also
Dr. Kinley: and likewise also
Dr. Harris: the wife unto the husband
Dr. Kinley: the wife unto the husband
Dr. Harris: The wife hath not power over
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Dr. Kinley: Now, now, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) somebody say, 'well, I don't understand where you're talking about there.' How about that? Just any kind of an excuse you can hatch up to justify you in doing something that you ought not to be, any kind of an excuse. Repeat that again Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: let the husband render unto the wife
Dr. Kinley: let the husband render unto the wife
Dr. Harris: due benevolence
Dr. Kinley: due benevolence
Dr. Harris: and likewise also the wife unto the husband
Dr. Kinley: likewise, also the wife unto the husband. Now here's what... Now if you don't understand... Do you all want me to explain what he's talking about?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Okay. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now Yahweh gave them, man and a woman, to multiply. Now here goes a man to his wife. She's got an excuse to render his due benevolence. You don't want me... You want me to (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) explain more? I'm just trying to show you she's got an excuse. She says, 'well I'm tired, my menstruation's on.' And every time he turns around, he goes to her, and that's what she says; in other words, she don't want to be bothered. Now what she's really doing, she's running him on off. How about that? Ya'll beginning to kinda understand? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I'm getting around over in your neighborhood. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And likewise, let the husband render due benevolence unto the wife. Pacify her sexual anxieties and multiply, the bed is undefiled. Now, I'm just giving it to you straight so you won't wanna have no excuse to come back and ask me no more foolish damn questions. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: The wife has not power of her own body
Dr. Kinley: Now the wife doesn't have power over her own body.
Dr. Harris: but the husband
Dr. Kinley: but the husband. The wife, she just doesn't have the power over her own body. The man, in embracing his wife and so forth and so on... Now this, this is a built in thing. Yahweh put that within them because He intended to populate the earth. It's right for it to be there. Now if there is some impairment or some physical disability, which there is in some cases, and if you want me to, I'll tell you about that. About eunuchs and so forth and so on. There's no excuse for us blundering and stumbling around, and then try to justify ourselves. We know good and well it's wrong. Alright read on.
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Dr. Harris: likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body
Dr. Kinley: Now the husband, he doesn't have power of his own body
Dr. Harris: but the wife
Dr. Kinley: but the wife. This embracing one another brings on something. That's the reason why I say don't touch, it's good for a man not to touch a woman. If you just have to touch a woman, touch your own wife. If you just have to touch a man, touch your own husband. If you just have to have some children, have them by your own wife or by your own husband. Well, Alright.
Dr. Harris: Refuse ye not one the other
Dr. Kinley: Now don't refuse one another; in other words, don't drive your husband off or your wife off, out yonder in some other woman's arms or some other man's arms. Don't do that. Don't do that. And if you don't have a husband, get one, but get your own husband, don't get somebody else's. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) If you don't have a wife, get yourself one, but don't get somebody else's wife. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now I don't know how I could talk any plainer. If you haven't got none, why get you one. If you ain't got no husband, get one. You ain't got no... Now that's just plain talk. And make sure when you get one, you don't get somebody else's man or woman. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Refuse ye not one the other
Dr. Kinley: Now don't refuse one another
Dr. Harris: except it be with consent for a time
Dr. Kinley: unless it be for a consent for a time. Now at the end of that cycle, (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) How about that? And say.., don't come up with that kind of stuff. How about that? Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: that ye may give yourself to fasting and prayer
Dr. Kinley: that ye may give yourself to fasting and to prayer
Dr. Harris: and come together again
Dr. Kinley: and come together again
Dr. Harris: that satan tempt you not for your incontinency, that satan tempt
(THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH WAS ON THE ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT BUT NOT ON THE TAPE USED FOR PROOFREADING. IT WAS PROBABLY LOST IN THE COPYING PROCESS, SINCE IT IS AT THE END OF SIDE 1 OF A 90 MINUTE CASSETTE TAPE) you not for your incontinency. That satan, now listen, that satan tempt you not for your incontinency. You see that now, Now, now, that's one of the things that satan has always had that problem with, started back there with Adam and Eve. And it come right straight on down through the dispensations and ages. And people just give away to those things, then they try to find some justification in the Bible, and say, 'well, that was talking
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Dr. Kinley: to them that's under the law, and all like this, and we ain't under the law now to justify themselves in these things. So now that's wrong, and you can't be saved with it. Then you don't, as I said before, you don't expect me to get up here and personate nobody. Yahshua the Messiah, He just preached to the multitudes. Is that right? And He said, 'whosoever will, let him come,' and whosoever believeth on Him. He didn't personate nobody like that. Now we're preaching the gospel, not creating enemies. We try to tell the thing so that a person can understand what we're talking about. Read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: But I speak this by permission
Dr. Kinley: Now, but I speak this by permission, he's permitted to say that.
Dr. Harris: and not of commandment
Dr. Kinley: and not by commandment. Read on.
Dr. Harris: For I would that all men were even as I myself
Dr. Kinley: Now, now we're getting down to something else. Now I told you we'd tell you about that. I would that all men were what?
Dr. Harris: were even as I myself
Dr. Kinley: were even as I myself. He was a eunuch. He had no sexual anxieties, no passions and nothing like that for no woman. He was born that way. And now while we're on that, Messiah wasn't born like that. Now if He had been born that way, then they could have said, 'well, no wonder you're, you're a, you were born that way, as was Paul, so no wonder you don't want no woman.'
(THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH WAS ON THE ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT BUT NOT ON THE TAPE USED FOR PROOFREADING. IT WAS PROBABLY LOST IN THE COPYING PROCESS, SINCE IT IS AT THE END OF SIDE 1 OF A 90 MINUTE CASSETTE TAPE) I don't know whether you know this or not, but they checked up on him. He used to always be hanging around Martha and Mary's house down there. And so the Sanhedrin Council sent a delegation down there to check up on Him, to find out whether he had a crush on one of them, and come to find out, it just wasn't so. But now listen, He had all those sexual anxieties and passions and all, just like you do, but he made himself a eunuch
SIDE 2:
Dr. Kinley: for the Kingdom of Heavens sake. And if wasn't a woman, just one woman that was his wife, the whole, all of us put together makes up His bride. I said bride too or His wife. Get that first. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: But every man hath his proper gift of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: But now I told you it was a built in thing, every man and every woman have their proper gift that Yahweh gave to them. He intended to populate the earth. He intended for you to get married and have sexual relationships, and children, I'm talking plain tonight, and populate the earth. He intended for you to do that. And there's nothing wrong with it. Now, now that's the way it is. Alright.
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Dr. Harris: One after this manner and another after that
Dr. Kinley: Every man has their proper gift, one after this manner and another after that. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: I say therefore, to the unmarried
Dr. Kinley: I say therefore to the unmarried and widows
Dr. Harris: and widows
Dr. Kinley: and widows
Dr. Harris: It is good for them if they abide even as I
Dr. Kinley: I say to the unmarried and the widows, that they abide even as I am.
Alright.
Dr. Harris: but if they cannot contain
Dr. Kinley: Now but if they can't contain
Dr. Harris: let them also
Dr. Kinley: In other words, if you can't control the thing. Now you understand that kind of talk, don't you? If, if you just have to have a man, or a woman have to have a husband, if you can't contain yourself, then do what?
Dr. Harris: let them marry
Dr. Kinley: Then go, go out and get married. How about that? So you have a wife. Alright.
Dr. Harris: For it is better to marry than to burn
Dr. Kinley: It is better to marry than to burn
Dr. Harris: with passion
Dr. Kinley: with passion. You see that now. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: and unto the married I command
Dr. Kinley: unto the married. Now, now, now, he's gonna, now he's taking it both ways. And unto the married
Dr. Harris: I command
Dr. Kinley: I command
Dr. Harris: yet not I, but Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: yet not I
Dr. Harris: but Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: but Yahweh commanded this
Dr. Harris: Let not the wife depart from her husband.
Dr. Kinley: Let not the wife depart from her husband. See that. Now that's Yahweh that's doing that talk. Let not the wife depart from her husband. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: But and if she depart
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Dr. Kinley: But and if she depart. Now somebody say, 'well, your diction is not too good.' That's bad diction there: but and if. Two conjunctions right together. 'That don't make no kinda sense.' But nevertheless, that's there, it's there. But is a conjunction that join together two complete thoughts, and if. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: But and if she depart
Dr. Kinley: But and if she depart
Dr. Harris: let her remain unmarried
Dr. Kinley: Now you can understand plain English. Then let her remain unmarried or stay single. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: or be reconciled to her husband
Dr. Kinley: Now if she don't wanna do that, let her go on back to her husband. That's plain English. Now I ain't twisting up nothing either. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: and let not the husband put away his wife
Dr. Kinley: Then don't let the husband put away his wife. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: but to the rest speak I
Dr. Kinley: but to the rest speak I
Dr. Harris: Not Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Not Yahweh
Dr. Harris: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not
Dr. Kinley: but any brother has a wife that don't believe
Dr. Harris: and she be pleased to dwell with you
Dr. Kinley: And now just a minute. Now you've been having problems right here in this school, in Los Angeles too, and elsewhere. Now if any brother has a wife that don't believe... Now we're preaching Yahweh, Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah being the Savior of the world. Now then, it has been some people right in this school say, 'well, I ain't going down there with, among them niggers. I'm just not going down there. And that's their excuse for not wanting to come down here. Now since I'm on that, I wanna give you some understanding about it, so you won't have that excuse no more. We'll eliminate that, which we tried to do in the first place.
Dr. Gross would you mind standing up? Now this is a German Jew, that's your President. Now look him over and see if he looks like he's white. Would you mind standing up Dr. Harris? That's the Vice-President and Dean. Look him over. Now these are authorities in the school. Dr. Dennis Droulard, would you mind coming down from behind the podium there, please? Dr. Gary Mathess would you mind coming up here, please? I don't want you to have no excuse. I want you to cut this stuff out. Now that's your Public Relations Director, International. And that's the International Vice President, Vice President. And that's the International Superintendent. And John Baxter, would you mind coming up here. That's your International and State Treasurer. Maybe ya'll wasn't looking for this. Dr. Victor Vasquez, would you mind? Dr. Fred Allen Senior. Now that's the State President. Look him over. This is the State Vice President. Look him over. I'm sorry, but
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there's some of 'em I don't know that's on this authority staff, I don't know who they are, I never paid that much attention to it, but they select whosoever they choose. But that's an authority and these are the authorities in the school. You can look at him and see he's white. You can try looking at him and see he's white, and Dr. Harris, he's almost black like me. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And Gary, he is white. John Baxter and Dr. Allen. Now they're authorities. Now there's some others. Dr. Jackson, I think that you are too. Aren't you an authority?
Dr. Jackson: Yes
Dr. Kinley: Get up here. Do you know any others that ought to be called?
Dr. Harris: Mary Gross
Dr. Kinley: Mary Gross, would you please? (THE BELL RINGS) This is your Secretary. That's your Secretary, International Secretary.
Someone: Marion Harris.
Dr. Kinley: Sister Marion Harris. There's Marion Harris. Get up here. Now what we're doing, now we're eliminating this thing, not coming down here and being bothered with these niggers. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) We wanna let you know they ain't all niggers. None of these are niggers. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now you need to read your dictionary and see what a nigger is. Now is there some others that I ought to call? Thank you ever so much, that ought to be enough. (STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS)
Now the reason why we set up this school and chose these different ones, black and white, to eliminate your excuse for saying that you didn't wanna go down there, and said it was an all Negro Organization. Now we've got some schools, New York, most of them is white, and Jonesy down there, he's got a bunch of white people down there; in the Southland too, standing up for this truth. Yes sir. Now, now read on Dr. Harris.
Now the reason why I brought that up: these people are standing up for the truth, not for color. It's not that at all, but they, they're standing up for the truth's sake.
Now if there's somebody that has a wife or a husband that don't believe that this is the truth... We just want to get that off of your chest. We want you to see the whole story tonight. I figured on doing this, so that you wouldn't have that excuse no more, because some women have left their husbands because they belong to this school and was divorced. And some men have left their wives on account of this school. They've left them on the account of this school, standing up for the truth. Now, now, read brother.
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Dr. Harris: If any brother has a wife that believeth not
Dr. Kinley: Now, if any brother that has a wife that believeth not
Dr. Harris: and she be pleased to dwell with him
Dr. Kinley: and she be pleased to dwell with him, or stay with him
Dr. Harris: Let him not put her away
Dr. Kinley: Now, we're telling you, don't, don't put her away. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: and the woman which has a husband and believeth not
Dr. Kinley: and the woman which has a husband that believeth not
Dr. Harris: and if he be pleased to dwell with her
Dr. Kinley: and if he be pleased to dwell with her
Dr. Harris: let her not leave him.
Dr. Kinley: Let her not leave him. Now, it comes to this. Now, you've got Methodist and Baptist and Roman Catholics and what have you, and so forth and so on. And then in Canaan's land they had, they had the idol deities there. Molech was a Canaanite deity. And down here in Egypt you had Isis and Thebes and just a multitude of deities. And now, we've had right in the school, we've had Mohammedans, and just everything, and Methodists and Baptists and Roman Catholics and whatever and what nots in this school. Now some of 'em, they don't want to take no part in this school, for one reason or another. Say well, 'they teach an erroneous doctrine down there.' They got them old funny names down there.' And then some of them say, as I have already stated, 'I don't want to be mixed up with them niggers.' Now the prophecy say that the house of Yahweh shall be established in the top of the mountain and all nations, Jews and Gentiles, shall flow into it. I just wanna let you know that. People have turned you down on the count of first one thing and then another, and don't wanna come down here, and we're here just telling you the truth.
Now if the wife, she don't come, or husband, he don't come and he be pleased to dwell with you, then don't put them away on that account. Alright, that is if he be pleased to dwell with you. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: For the unbelieving husband
Dr. Kinley: Now, now he's telling you why now. He's telling you why. Now he said Freddie, Roger, and among men. He said that you should love your wife and over here Paul said in Timothy, husbands love your wives even as Messiah also loved the church, fifth chapter of Ephesians, and gave Himself for it that He might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of the water by the word, that He might present it unto Himself, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing. Now here he tells you, or the unbelieving wife, this is the reason for not putting her away. Now if she loves you, here's one of the signals, if she loves you, then she's gonna be pleased to dwell with you, then you labor with her, because the unbelieving wife is sanctified, that means to be set apart by the husband, and the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife. If you find out and you know something about the truth as it is taught here, and your wife, she doesn't want to take part, or your husband, they don't want to take part because they've been raised in these other different sects and denominations and cults and what nots, then don't put her away if she be pleased to dwell with you. Then you work with her. Show her line
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upon line, precept upon precept. Show her the purpose of Yahweh so that you can get some reality out of it, get some sense. And if she loves you, then she'll pay attention to you, and then that will set her apart. You've got enough of this? You've got enough of this now, haven't you? Alright, read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife
Dr. Kinley: For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife
Dr. Harris: and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband
Dr. Kinley: and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband
Dr. Harris: else were your children unclean
Dr. Kinley: or else, or else your offspring is unclean
Dr. Harris: but now are they holy, but now are they holy. Now we'll settle down right here and we'll take your questions. Any questions?
(THE BELL RINGS)
Dr. Kinley: I didn't give you a break, but I tried to explain, go on down, but I, I meant to, I meant to say this too. Now there are eunuchs. Some men have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake. Some are born eunuchs and some were made eunuchs of men. That's Matthew, 19th chapter of Matthew. Some have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake. Now when you do have Holy Spirit, now you control any kind of a passion, subdue it to such an extent until you don't necessarily have to run out here and commit things... Now the reason why I brought that in there is on this account. Lotta people wanna show where those passions and lusts are uncontrollable and they have to do those things. No, that's, that's not true. What you did then, you give... The one that gives you the passions and the built in.., is the same one that gives you control over them and brings you under subjection or gives you power to abstain and to alternate or make yourself a eunuch for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake. Some men were castrated, Deuteronomy the 22nd chapter. I'm gonna quit but I wanna tell you some things, were castrated because they were used in harems, and you couldn't go back to the king and say anything about.., 'well, so and so.' You couldn't say that, you couldn't tell him that kind of a tale. And if you was born a eunuch, you couldn't tell him that kind of tale, and then some were made eunuchs, made themselves eunuchs, brought themselves under control for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake.
Now I hope you've gotten something out of what I've said tonight and I hope there won't be anymore necessity. I hope it won't be any more necessity, and I hope you understand. And now, if you don't obey the scriptures, if you don't obey the scriptures, why then you needn't expect me to justify you at all cause I'm teaching and preaching the truth about it just like it is. And don't expect me to twist up something just for your sake.
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Now I wanna make another recommendation too. You read when you get home the first chapter of Romans. And you notice the tail end of the first chapter, how men with men... I'm talking about homosexuality and all likea that. That's wrong. Men lying with men and women with women. That's wrong, you'll loose (lose?) your soul if you do it. Now I'll tell you some of the reasons why. First thing, now Yahweh give you these passions to.., and that spermatic fluid ushered in the womb, it forms a child. And now, another man... You've never heard tell of a man having a child, did you? You never heard.., ____ ____ ____ ____. So you don't need to expect to come back here no more and bother me about that. That's wrong, you'll go to Hell for it, you'll loose (lose?) your soul. Now that's the way that is.
Now if you have the Holy Spirit, some of these things like dope and other things that people are wrong about and addicted to Yahweh can give you power to overcome anything, even death, even death. And it's great and it's wonderful, and you are more happy to do that which pleases Yahweh than you are to be trying to go around and hunt up yourself some kind of legitimate excuse for your condemned conscience, and expect somebody to go along with it. And Yahweh will take flaming vengeance on you when Yahshua the Messiah is revealed from Heaven about those things. And it tells you there in the first chapter of Romans, and that was prevalent all over the world, not just in the United States or in Los Angeles. That's all over the world, everything I said to you.
Now if you wanna get mad at me for telling you that, go right ahead, help yourself. Somebody might say, 'well, I ain't going back down there no more.' If you don't wanna come down here, why then you stay home, cause if you come down here, as long as I have anything to do with it, well I'm gonna tell you the truth, and I think you oughta love me for telling you the truth. I think you ought to love me for that but I know that some of you will, but nevertheless that's the way it is, and you ought to want to know and do the truth.
I thank you ever so much for your time.
(STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS)
(PLEASE NOTE THE ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT ALSO HAD SEVERAL PAGES OF TRANSCRIPTION OF DR. KINLEY FROM THE CLASS FOLLOWING THIS ONE, WHICH WAS ALSO ON THE SAME SUBJECT. THERE IS HOWEVER NO TAPE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FOR IT AND THEREFORE NOT INCLUDED.)
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
audio recording received from Beverly Allen
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 74.1108
transcribed by Gerry Rothstein
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Previous speaker: Dr. Harris
(APPLAUSE)
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I'm not going to hold you. I just wanna say one or two things to you in regards to what he has talked about, and what Dr. Harris has talked about. Now, first I, I'd like to say this. Now these charts was drawn so that you could take your Bible and come up to 'em and look at 'em and the verses, and chapters and verses is on, on 'em so that you can stand right here and copy 'em off of there and write 'em down, and tell you what it's all about.
Now right here is one, here in Proverbs. Find it.
Somebody: 15:1
Fred Allen, Jr.: 15:3
Dr. Kinley: 15 and 3. Read.
Reader: The eyes of Yahweh are in every place.
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Dr. Kinley: Now the eyes of Yahweh are in every place.
Reader: Beholding the evil and the good
Dr. Kinley: Beholding the evil and the good. Now this is what I want to say. Now you're kidding yourself, you're kidding yourself, you think you're hid in doing something you know good and well that you shouldn't do, but you think you are hid, but the eyes of Yahweh is everyplace looking right at the evil and the good. And you're not hid, just as naked as a jay bird in whistling time, at all times. And He'd have to be that way in order to be a just judge.
Now, there's one other thing I wanna say to you about that, is this: now Peter said, beloved obey every ordinance of man. You can find that and read it if you want to when you go home or you can find read it now and read it. For Yahweh said it... Now then, the law, that's the civil law, say that you should get a license and get married. I don't have time, every time I get up to say anything to go into all the depths of these things. And then when you're released from one, you just go and get a divorce, I don't have time to go into all of these things. But it is good for you to obey the ordinance of man, for Yahweh's sake. Then you have the protection of the civil law, the other fellow knows where you stand. And you have something to present to say, 'well this is the way it is.'
Now there's another verse in the Bible that I don't have time to discuss, and that's this. Whore mongers and adulterers, Yahweh will judge. You can find that if you want to. Now the reason why I brought that up is on this account. Some of these people that you think are in adultery, are not. And some of them that you think that are in adultery, they are not, and some of them that you think are not in adultery, are, but Yahweh, being a just judge and His eyes is in every place beholding the good and the bad, now He does the judging. Now why did I bring that up that way? Because, now I think you'll find this in the 19th chapter of Matthew, that Yahshua the Messiah said that man was justified in giving his wife that has committed fornication, giving a bill of divorcement and sending her out of the house. Now they don't do that quite that way no more. The way they do that now is this: a man is married to a woman, whatever he possessed, why then, when he goes to file a suit for a divorce, why then they split it down the middle and give her part and the other part, and some of 'em marry these men for what they do have. That's the way they do it now. They don't do it like the other and give her a bill of divorcement and send her forth out of his house. 'It's mine too,' the wife says. And the judge is justified. But I just thought that I would bring those things up to your attention, cause every time we have a subject, it's, it's a long drawn out thing to go into all the fundamental details of it, and bring it out. You just can't hardly do that in no hour and 20 minutes. So, it's long, it's hard.
Now it.., another thing just come in my mind just now to speak about. And that was carnal ordinances. And now in carnal ordinances one of 'em you have is circumcision. Now people, they don't realize that that is the first ordinance that's given to man. And he'll step right on over there and go right on into baptism and raise all of that sand about being baptized. And he stepped over circumcision. He don't realize that at all. Now the reason why I brought that up, is because
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you're dealing with the generative organs of the.., most particular the masculine. Now you understood that the law stood only in meats and drinks and diverse washings. Washings. I said washings. Now if you don't wash and keep those generative organs clean, then that filth and dirt brings about them venereal diseases and things there. You see what I mean? And a lotta times these women are exposed, and men are exposed to a lotta filth and dirt because they don't wash. Dr. Harris already told you about it, but he just passed on by so quick and so I thought I'd bring it back to your attention. Don't take a bath like they should and keep themselves cleaned up. Diverse washings. Many washings and carnal ordinances. Now you see where it come from? You see how it is, then them, those thorns and those thistles. Those thorns and thistles, they cause a whole lotta pain. Isn't that right, when you get stuck with a thorn? Well when you get stuck with one of them there venereal disease, you're really stuck. You don't have no way to hid (hide?) it either...
And then look here, here's something that.., you ain't... With all of that pain and misery in your body, you're gonna go and point yourself up a doctor. You might not want everybody to know all about it. And he ain't gonna put your business in the street, but you go hunt up somebody, a doctor, because that's awful painful. Now you think we're justified in telling you about these things.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now we tell you all the time, now this is the place to come and to learn. And we don't hold back nothing. We tell it to you just like it is. It's honorable for a man and a woman to get married, Yahweh intended that, and for them to have offspring. And in as much so as He intended that, He intended all of the rest of the things that you're supposed to do and be obedient to. So now that's the way it is. You come down here to learn and we're gonna tell you. Now I hope nobody's embarrassed by us telling you just plain straight out. Now you, now you might say, 'well they preached that over to our church.' Now you know better than that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS). nothing like over to your church. Do they, do they talk like we talked to you tonight
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: over to your church. Better not. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS). Get his ownself and everybody else in trouble. How about that? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS), because he told you what spiritual adultery, what adultery really was in every sense of the word, and those types and those shadows. And I hope now that you've gotten something out of it. Now if there's gonna be anymore questions about it, if there is hold up your hand. Let me see your hand. Is there anybody that didn't understand and they wanna ask some more question about it? Now we're not gonna you answer your question tonight, but I'll say this. We will continue these things until you do come to a profound knowledge of it. That's what we intend to do here, down here, is to teach you the things that you don't know. And we want you to recognize the fact that all of these things, all of these evil things and good things are exposed to Yahweh and His eyes is in every place beholding the evil and the good. You can't cover it up, cause a lotta times when
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you think it's all covered up, then you turn up with something. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) 'Oh look here what I got.' (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) Now somebody is gonna find out something about it. And now your ____ ____ there's a lotta cases where these children are born out of wedlock, as they call it, then they call him a bastard child. No, no that ain't, that ain't quite right. What a real bastard is, is one that don't take heed to the revelation of Yahshua the Messiah as laid down in the scriptures. Now we're not gonna be no bastard, we're gonna be the real sons and daughters of Yahweh. Now I hope you've gotten something out of it. Don't you think it was necessary?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Don't you think it helped?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, I'll say this to you too. Now if you don't obey, if you don't obey that and you try to do just to the contrary, run out there, make no difference whether you're woman or man, which most of you already know. Now it's time to sit down. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Let me ease on out there and try some of it and see if you don't come up with something. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Go ahead and try it. Now, these things lead up actually to death.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: They take you right on to the grave. So there's no way to hide, so you just might as well be obedient to Him. And we're gonna tell you down here, because we think it's necessary for you to know, and we promise to tell you the truth. And that is what we're gonna do. Now if you don't wanna hear it, the best thing to do is to stay away from here. And we suggest, if you don't wanna hear the truth, this is the worst place in the world that I know of, if you don't wanna hear the truth, this is the worst place in the world to come to, but if you wanna hear the truth, then it's the best place to come to. So come on back and bring your friend, bring your enemies. Now you have, you'll have an overflow of crowd here (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) if you bring your enemies along with you and your friends too, this place won't hold it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) So bring your friend and your enemies and your well wishes and your haters and adulterers and your fornicators and your idolaters. This is the place for 'em. Bring 'em, bring 'em on down here so we can tell 'em about it. Maybe it might help. Yahweh can pick out somebody or somebody might take heed to those things, cause it is through the foolishness of preaching the gospel to save them that believe. Hope you've gotten something out of it.
STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, CA
recorded by Edna Law and Dr. Carl F, Gross
one 90 minute audio cassette
CATALOG #: 75.0101
transcribed by Sandra Giragosian
first proofreading: Debbie MaNeeley
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fourth proofreading the International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley, pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn't that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable.
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: ... testify to the things that Yahweh has shown to me, and revealed to me.
Once, I must say that I was in the Church of God, and I thought just like other folks did. Preached there for fifteen years. Laid my hands on many people, and they were healed of all kinds of diseases. I just quoted the Bible, and I knew it almost verbatim, and yet Yahweh showed me that I really didn't understand. I really didn't know. I done the best I knew, but I really simply didn't know.
Now, we have come down to the place where we wanna learn and know something about the reality and the existence of Yahweh. First, it's, it's just wonderful to even know the name.
Student Body: That's right. Right.
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Dr. Kinley: Now, if I were saying Baal or Dagon, or Moloch, or something like that, and you didn't know no better, of course, you would buy it, as the heathen did, have already done, just like you have bought Lord, God, and Jesus Christ. Now folks, there ain't no need of arguing about it; it's just wrong. Ain't no need in trying to defend it. It's wrong.
Now, this is a school of learning, and we come here to learn and to find out and to know something about the reality of things.
Now, this is said to be New Year's Day. That's wrong. Now, that's by the Gregorian calendar. That's wrong. Now, there's no need to try to defend it; it's definitely wrong. Somebody said, 'Well, who said it was wrong?' Yahweh did. Read what
is the beginning, about that. It oughta be in the Bible.
Dr. Harris: Twelfth chapter of Exodus,
Dr. Kinley: Now, this is the 12th chapter of Exodus.
Dr. Harris: And Yahweh spake unto Moses
Dr. Kinley: And Yahweh. Who did you say spake unto him?
Dr. Harris: Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: It didn't say Pope Gregory. And Yahweh spake unto Moses
Dr. Harris: and Aaron in the land of Egypt,
Dr. Kinley: and Aaron in the land of Egypt,
Dr. Harris: saying
Dr. Kinley: Now this is what He said.
Dr. Harris: This month shall be unto you the beginning of months:
Dr. Kinley: Now, this month shall be unto you the beginning of months. Is that right?
Dr. Harris: It shall be the first month of the year to you.
Dr. Kinley: Now, it shall be the first month of the year to you: to the children of Israel. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Alright, read on just a little bit further.
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Dr. Harris: Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying,
Dr. Kinley: Speak ye to all the congregation of Israel. Now, this is what He said to 'em.
Dr. Harris: In the tenth day of this month
Dr. Kinley: In the tenth day of this month
Dr. Harris: they shall...
Dr. Kinley: Now, not, not this month, but that month that He's talking about there in the Bible. Folks, you know, it's, it's something to think about how badly we've been deceived, and had the thing right up under our nose all of our lives. Now that hurts. You know that? You ain't got nothing straight. Now, you know what that really means? It means that the Devil has been doing a good job. Now, that's what it means. And you just have to give him credit for it, too. Now, that... What is the first month of the year on the, in the Jewish calendar?
Student Body: Abib.
Dr. Kinley: Abib, or Nisan. Not January.
Dr. Kinley: That's the first month of the year. Now, I brought that up for this reason. In the Vatican, Pope Paul took a silver hammer and opened, beat on the door, which they pulled down, opening a door. And this is the 25th year to them, Jubilee; in other words, it's the 25th Jubilee. This whole year is sacred with the Roman Catholic Church. Now, he took that hammer and beat on that door. And, of course, it hadn't been opened for 25 years past. Now, that's wrong. Now, what I mean by that being wrong. Now, they called that the year of, they're calling that the year of Jubilee. Twenty-five years is not a year of Jubilee. Fifty years is a Jubilee.
Student Body: Yes. Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, how about that? And as he beat on that door, and they pulled it down on the other side, the bricks fell down, hit him all over the head and over the shoulders. Now, that was a ____, but most people never paid no attention to it. And of course it was so sacred to them, you gotta have the ____ there and let it fall. There's a scripture in the Bible that talks about that. Rocks and mountains...
Student Body: Fall on us.
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Dr. Kinley: Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him that sets on the throne.4 Well, that was him that was setting on the throne in the Vatican, but not in the heavens. Now, look folks, now you just might as well quit fooling yourself and kidding yourself. Get on down to business. Now, here's a "TIME" magazine for December this year. And all of these books on the market now are talking about how the church and all have.., and the Christian people, the "righteous people," young, and they're falling away.
Now, in 1961, when we wrote our first edition of the book and sent it out, there was five hundred and fifty million Roman Catholics. Last year, or I should say year before that now, there was forty million decrease. And now in this year there's five hundred and fifty-one million. Now, you have another terrible decrease in the Roman Catholic Church for this past year, an awful decrease. Now, I wanna go ahead on and show you some things about it. Now, first to start out with, this where Dr. Harris was reading here, is the Passover. That was down in Egypt. It telling you what month the Passover should be held. And it was direct from Yahweh.
Now, listen. Now listen at what I'm saying now. If you want to find out the truth, and where some of the errors are, then you have to pay attention. Now, it's incumbent upon us, the responsibility of telling you the truth. Now, you can believe what you wanna believe, that's up to you, but it's our job telling you the truth. Now, this being the Passover here... Dr. Mitchell mentioned it when he was here, before we went up to Pismo Beach for a rest. Now, that being the Passover... Would you finish where you was at there Doc, go ahead on and say something.
Dr. Harris: Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, in the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers,
Dr. Kinley: Now, go right back and read the same thing you just read, and I wanna point out something,
Dr. Harris: Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel,
Dr. Kinley: He never said nothing about no Gentiles. Did you see, do you see, you see now what I'm talking about? It said, speak ye to the congregation of Israel. The Jews, not the Gentiles. Nobody had no business at no time fooling with the Passover, but the Jews. Now, if you wanted fool with it, and get mixed up with the Passover, then you have to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses; that means that you are adopted in the family. Now, what does that do? Now, that just knocks out all the Roman Catholics and all the Protestants. And you can't fix it, not in your Bibles. Now, the reason why He gave it to the Jews, the Jews were a typical people, and He gave them the Law. He didn't give the law of carnal ordinances to the Gentiles. Not at all. Let me make myself clear. I don't
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think I'm, I don't think I'm clear on that. Now, if there's anybody in this building, as of now, that can stand up and show me, or read to me... I don't want but one verse.
Now, this is the King James Version of the Bible: where the Lord, God, or Jesus Christ. Now, that's the King James Version. Here's the Holy Name: Yahweh, Elohim, or Yahshua. Then we'll take it down here: the Father, who's Yahweh; the Word or Son, Elohim or God; the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, that's Yahshua. Listen, now. Jehovah. Now, we leave them all in there. Jehovah, Baal, Moloch, or any idol deity, ever said anything in the history of the world, from Genesis to Revelations, about a Gentile getting baptized in physical water, or eating any Lord's Suppers.
Now, I'm giving it to you straight. Now, you can go on to Hell if you want to, but I'm telling you like the Bible teaches. Or ever said anything at all about you keeping these carnal ordinances. Now, if you're gonna do one, if you're gonna keep the Passover, then you oughta keep the rest of 'em, cause if you don't do 'em all, then you're wrong. Now, look, folks. It's kind of bad, like this. Dr. Harris, will you go back there and repeat one, one more time, who He was speaking to.
Dr. Harris: Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel.
Dr. Kinley: Now, is that clear to you? That's all that you can read out of a Roman Catholic Bible. That's all you can read out of a Protestant Bible. That's all you can read out of 'em. Now, there's a reason for that. It does not mean that He is a deity of the Jews only. It does not mean that. He's a deity of the Gentiles too. Now I'll give you an easy one. Now we've been down in Egypt, in Jordan, and in Israel. Now, listen. And you might have to go to the first chapter of first Corinthians, Dr. Harris, where Paul, crucified for you. But now look. Look folks; look up here. Now, I'm trying to tell you straight. I am telling you straight, I should say. Now, the people go over there right now, the Jews and the Arabs are contemplating war about the land over there, and who should rule. Now listen, the Arabs call themselves Mohammedans or Ishmaelites. I said, they call themselves Mohammedans. Now, here's what I wanna know. Was Mohammed crucified for anybody?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: See how simple it is? Read Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: First Corinthians, first chapter, twelfth and thirteenth verses. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Saul;
Dr. Kinley: Now, one says he's of Saul.
Dr. Harris: and I of Apollos;
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Dr. Kinley: And another one says, well, I am of Apollos, up in Corinth. This is Greece. Alright.
Dr. Harris: and I of Cephas,
Dr. Kinley: And another one says, 'I am of Cepha, or of Peter.' Now, that's what Pope Paul says, we are Peter's. At the International Council of Churches, headquarters in, in Geneva, Switzerland. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: and I of the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: And another one says, 'well, I'm of the Messiah.'
Dr. Harris: Is the Messiah divided?
Dr. Kinley: Now, is the Messiah divided?
Dr. Harris: Was Saul crucified for you?
Dr. Kinley: Well, was Saul crucified for you?
Dr. Harris: or were you
Dr. Kinley: Now, now, was Saul, was the Apostle Paul crucified for you?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Was Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Mohammed, or anybody crucified for you? I wanna know.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Was any of the Popes ever crucified for anybody?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Was any the cardinals ever crucified for anybody?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Was John the Baptist crucified for you?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Was Elijah crucified for you? I'm getting, I'm getting down at it. Elijah Mohammed. Was Elijah the Prophet crucified for you?
Student Body: No.
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Dr. Kinley: Was Jeremiah crucified for you? Was Moses crucified for you?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now, I'm putting it down just straight like it oughta be; and it's gonna to be this way and no other way. Alright. Read.
Dr. Harris: Is the Messiah divided? Was Saul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Saul?
Dr. Kinley: Were you baptized in the name of Saul? I, I could ask you this. You good so-called Christians, was you baptized in the name of Yahweh, Elohim, or Yahshua, the Messiah?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: You good Baptists?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: You good Methodists? You good Roman Catholics?
Now, when the Jerusalem Bible came out, millions of Roman Catholics were astounded to know that the name of our heavenly father was Yahweh was written up in a Roman Catholic Bible. And when we were over there talking about Yahweh, I mean in the Vatican, Vatican City, Pontiff Grimillion (Gremillion?) said, he said, when this chart was rolled down in the, in the building, said, 'I see you use the true names.' Now, that was an acknowledgement that they was wrong. And that was a victory in our, on our behalf.
Now, a lotta people think, 'Well, they don't know what they're talking about. They, they, they're, they're not big shots. They're not way up in the world. You can't expect nothing from them idiots.' Well, let me tell you something. Now, you hear this one. I bought this one up at Pismo Beach, and I tried to bring it up here before. And so, I'm gonna repeat it now, again. And this time I want you to hear me and take it home with you.
Yahweh, at the burning bush, sent Moses down into Egypt to tell the Pharaoh what His name was. Is that almost right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And to bring the children of Israel out. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: He told Moses, before he went down there what was gonna happen. Is that right?
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Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's been quite some time ago, too. Somewhere around 350 years, more or less.
Student: Three thousand, five hundred years.
Dr. Kinley: Three thousand, five hundred years is what you say. Now pay attention now, pay attention. I want you to see and understand what I'm talking about. Now Yahweh sent me down into Egypt,
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: to tell Pharaoh what His name was. And if he went to war with Israel... ____ won't win.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Also He sent me out to Jordan to tell King Hussein that. And He also sent me on over there in Israel to tell Israel the same thing, that if they went to war, they wouldn't win. Wasn't gonna be no winning. Now did you hear what I said? I said He sent me.
Now, they were planning on going to war when we went over there. And we went over there in October, 1971. And they were planning on going to war the first of the year, 1972 they didn't go the war at that time. They waited til 1973. And there was a, 'let's go.' 'No, we ain't ready.' 'Let's go.' 'Nope, we ain't ready folks.' What I'm talking about is how Pharaoh's heart was hardened. And every time he goes to do something, Yahweh pulls out one of them plagues on him. And every time he starts, this last time when we was over there, to do something, it'll all come right back on him what we had told him. So he says, 'Well we'd better not go right now.' 'Our equipment is not right.' Now, look folks. You have, most of you, you've been living. You were living at that time. Now, what we told 'em, now we can prove it by you, whether it's so or not, we can prove that by you. I don't care if you, if you don't like me, we can still prove it for you. If you hate my guts... Well, anyhow... You're just hating me. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You have to admit that they didn't win, neither one. And just like we told you. Is that right? Now look here. This school is 43 years old. And that's been... This looks... This, this has been a long time. There was 1490 years before the birth of the Messiah, and still going strong. And Yahweh had said, in Jeremiah, that He wasn't gonna suffer them to do what they said they were gonna do: destroy Israel. Yahweh said that, and it's not... an impossibility for them to do it. They cannot do it. Well, listen here, folks. Now, I'm telling you this about your bondage in your religious organization. This is what I'm trying to tell you. After three hundred, after all of this three thousand five hundred years, they haven't got the lesson learned yet. Now, you've been going to the church out there, you haven't been there that long. And you haven't learned nothing. You haven't learned a thing out there in Babylon.
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Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: You didn't know which way to go. Then, as I said before, listen again. This is "TIME" magazine. How true is your Bible? Now, our job is proving the divine authenticity. Are you listening? You take these words home with you. Our job is proving the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy, listen, the absolute infallibility of the Bible coming direct from Yahweh.
Now, let me say this while I'm on it. Now, these, they go in through here and they point out, just like this. Now, here you have it here in the Bible. You have a child laying here and a madonna here with a halo about her head. And then you've got Joseph standing over here with a halo over his head. And here you got Jesus. I'm giving it to you so you all can understand what I'm talking about. You go buy... This is a December copy right from "TIME" magazine. Now look here. It hasn't been long since they learned that this Jesus, that they're talking about here, was back down there with Moses. They didn't even know that. They thought this was the first of Jesus, whose right name is Yahshua. Now, this is, this is, that's what they're celebrating, this is His birth. Now look, I had Dr. Harris to read the 12th chapter of Exodus. Now, that is a Passover. Now, I'm trying to tell you just how stupid you carry on like them in church. And it's not Biblical at all, no parts of it. Now, this is showing His birth, showing His birth. That's what that's all about. Now, here is the Roman Catholic Church celebrating Mass at His birth. Now that is just as backwards as it can be. Mass, that's His death. I tell you, it's terrible.
Now this year we want to wake up, start to learning something for sure. Now, these magazines they write all these things that are shared by the various different churches, and so forth and so on. And the very smartest of people, college people, and here they got a bunch of Bibles in here, different editions of the Bible. And they mention the Jerusalem Bible. They don't say a thing about the Holy Name Bible. They tell you about different Bibles that's recently written. Now folks, listen. Go back Dr. Harris to your mass, in Exodus. Now, we found out that that was given to the Israelites. And that was down in the land of Egypt. Now, the Egyptians... Now listen to what I'm saying now. Please try to pay attention. The Egyptians, they didn't know anything about the Passover there. They didn't know a thing about it. And today the world doesn't know anything about it. Just don't realize. Now, that sounds like a lie but it's the truth. Alright.
Now, what I wanna get at is this. Now, why would a person be celebrating a Mass at His birth, or celebrating a Passover at His birth? Now I wanna tell you something else, too. Now listen, this refers to everybody in this place. Eight days after He was born, He was circumcised. Now He was baptized before He was circumcised. (STUDENT BODY REACTS) Now, the reason why I brought that up, is this idiot standing over there in the Vatican sprinkling Holy Water, supposed to be, on infants. I'll have you to know that Jesus was 30 years old when He was baptized in water by John the Baptist. And that was not His first baptism, either. How about that? That's brand new news, ain't it? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) (DR. KINLEY CHUCKLES) Now, listen here, listen. Just to show you how stupid
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it is; this is just to show you how stupid it is, as an ____. Now, you can't get away from this. Now a child, right here, a child in its mother's womb is inundated in water, that bag of water, in its mother's womb; in other words, I'm telling that that child is baptized in its mother's womb in water. Now, that'll go for you. Somebody said, 'No not me. I was caesarean born.' Yes, it goes for you, too. Is that right, Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's a infant baptizing. Then when the child is born, then you have to take some water and oil and wash that child and swaddle it. Now there he's got another washing. And some oil on you. Now, here stands that idiot standing up here... Yahweh just making a fool out of him every kinda way. Just making a downright fool out of him. Then you call yourself walking in the footsteps of Jesus. Said He come to show you how to live a righteous life who did no sin and neither was guile found in His mouth.5 Now He come to show you how to do that and live right. And we should follow in His footsteps who did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth. Now, that wasn't what He said He come for. He didn't come to show you how to live right. And listen here folks. I want you to know there wasn't a righteous man on earth.6 And He didn't come accusing either. That's right. There wasn't one righteous man on earth. There was John, the Baptist, he was there, and he was filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb. He carried out his commission that He was supposed to do. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And then something happened. The Holy Spirit's gone. And then John the Baptist said, he said to his disciples said, 'go up yonder and ____, art thou the one, or should we look for another.'7 That's the same self thing pointing Him out: 'Behold the Lamb of Yahweh that taketh away the sin of the world.'8 And that's the way it with, with all the rest of 'em.
Now folks, this is a new year, they call it, by the Gregorian calendar. Now a lotta people have made resolutions for this year. And some of 'em you made, you've already done broke 'em. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You haven't got started. You ain't gonna do nothing. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) There ain't no sense in you talking about what all you gonna do. You ain't gonna do nothing. No need to lying around like that, kidding yourself. It's just like David said. He said about the watchman walking around the walls of Zion. He said the watchman wakes. He's walking the beat alright, but unless
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6 Romans 3:10; Psalms 14:1-3
7 Matthew 11:1-3
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Yahweh keeps the city, he waketh in vain.9
Student Body: Right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now let's go back to this Passover business. Now it was on the 10th day of Abib or Nisan, which is April, corresponding to the Gregorian calendar. And it was given to the Gentiles.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Huh? You mean to tell me it wasn't given to the Gentiles?
Student Body: No. Not one.
Dr. Kinley: Now, how am I gonna find out about that? Read in the book? That's right. It was given to the Jews. Now I want you to pay attention all the way. I wanna tell you something about this. Now, since it was given to the Jews... Now then, are you listening?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, they're not supposed to do it that way. The Jews. Well, they're not doing it that way either. They're as wrong as anybody else. Well, you know how they're doing... (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) They know that the name is Yahweh, of our Heavenly Father. And they're saying Yahvah, just saying anything. They know that the name is Yahshua; and they'll say Yeshua. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) They know that the Father's name is Yahweh; and they'll say Adonai. The world's in a terrible state. Said, 'Well, why don't say then?' Aren't you forbidden to worship idols? Yes. Forbidden to do that. And Yahweh said what His name was. You won't call Him that. Somebody asked you what your name is, and tell 'em, 'my name is John;' and he calls you Frank. Well, now folks...
SIDE 2
Dr. Kinley: I said... I want you to follow me, now. I said that the Jews were not, that the Israelites to whom the Passover was given to, they're not supposed to be doing that as of now. Gentiles, never, at no time. And the Jews up until Yahshua the Messiah, they were supposed to do it, keep that Passover here.
And I want you to know this. Now, pay attention. You don't just run up here and do this just any and every time, any and every Sunday have to do with Christendoom and the Roman Catholic Church. You don't do it that way. You don't hold no Mass every once a week, every Sunday, and all that kinda stuff, or Passover. That's all wrong. How often did they do it?
Student Body: Once a year.
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Dr. Kinley: Once a year. Not every first Sunday of every month. How's that? Once a year, the Jews... Now, that's all over with. He don't do that no more.
Now, what we're trying to find out... We're planning to teach now. We said the Jews, they don't do it no more. People are saying that Jesus come to show us how to live, how to live a righteous life. Now look, folks, that's wrong. You can't live no righteous life. It just ain't in you to live a righteous life. No Popes or potentates of any kind, no preachers or teachers can teach you how to live a righteous life. And if he tries to teach you how to live a righteous life, then he's wrong. That sounds bad, don't it? Sure it does. You know it does. Why don't you just go ahead and say yes.
Holy Spirit must teach you. And there ain't nobody gonna live nothing without the Holy Spirit. And that's why all them folks back there in the Dispensation of the Law was wrong. They didn't have the Holy Spirit. But now, the Holy Spirit, Yahshua the Messiah been crucified. And listen, get this straight. Once for all.10 Or last. There ain't gonna be no more offerings for unrighteousness or sin. So if that's gonna be the case, then you don't need no more masses. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Has anybody gotten anything out, is anybody getting anything out of what I'm saying?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: If you're getting something out of it, I wanna know.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, if I ain't getting, if you ain't getting nothing out of it, I'll change the story.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: You're getting something out of it. Now Dr. Harris, you read where the Jew. Is that right?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now I wanna show you something else about that. Get the 26th chapter of Matthew. I just wanna show you that what they say that He said, He did not say what they said He said.
Student Body: Right. Okay.
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Dr. Kinley: Now, it comes up to a question of this and that, here and yonder. Alright, now the 26th chapter of Matthew.
Dr. Harris: And as they were eating,11
Dr. Kinley: And as they were eating... Listen here. Now him just reading that, that don't mean nothing. As they were eating what? What were they eating?
Student Body: (VARIOUS RESPONSES)
Dr. Kinley: No. No. No. No, no, no, no, no, no... No, let's get this thing straight. Oh, my goodness. As they were eating lamb! Where do you find out what they was eating? Apparently Christendoom doesn't know. How about that? Now, listen here folks, when you get the simplicity of it, it just seems like you oughta have sense enough to know that in the first place. And you wonder why in the world that you could be a fool all this long time. Well, as they were eating lamb... They took that lamb out of the flock. Is that the 12th chapter of Hebrews?
Student: Exodus.
Dr. Kinley: Exodus, the 12th chapter of Exodus. Now listen, took that lamb out on the 10th. They had a certain day to take him out on. That's the Paschal Lamb. On the 10th, then offer him up on the 14th. Question: why? Well, do you wanna know why?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Well then turn over to the ninth chapter of Hebrews, the 26th verse.
Dr. Harris: For then must He often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the age, hath He appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement:
Dr. Kinley: Now, you see that? Now, let me, let me get this straight. He was as a Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.12 Now, when He came over here, and ____ taken on, passed over from the incorporealization to physical, now that was a Passover. That was a Passover. Now back here, when they slain this lamb down in Egypt on the 14th. Now look, now listen. Now this is seven years through here. Now seven more would be 14. This is the second. So take him out on the 10th, 10 is concrete, and offer him up on the 14th. If He was slain back here, that seven days in that, He's slain back here before He came down in the flesh. When He was slain here only manifested what would happen down here. Then that's why He told 'em to take him out on the 10th, and offer him up on the
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12 Revelations 13:8
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14th, ____ talking before. Now let's prove that. Revelations 11:8.
Dr. Harris: And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
Dr. Kinley: And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city. Read on.
Dr. Harris: which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
Dr. Kinley: Now look, this, this Passover here spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt. Listen.
Dr. Harris: where also our Savior was crucified.
Dr. Kinley: You see what that indicated right there? Spiritually which indicated that our Savior was crucified back here and there. Spiritually it pointed to the Savior, who was crucified in Sodom and in Egypt, the offering up of that Paschal Lamb. Now look folks, it was, pay attention to this one. Because every little thing, every little minute thing, every detail, you have to grasp it in order to comprehend it. And unless it's in the Book, they don't never do that. Catechism won't work. Just setting down and reading the Bible around, it won't work. Reciting scriptures, that won't work. The more you study the Bible... Now, don't ____ too bad ____ studying, but the more you study the Bible in its chronological order, the more confused you get. Solomon put it this way. Much study is a weariness of the flesh.13 That's right. That don't help me a thing.
Now, He took the lamb out on the 10th, and offered him up on the 14th, and, spiritually that was where our Savior was crucified, Yahshua the Messiah right there in Egypt, in Sodom and in Egypt. Is that right? Now, that was in Hebrews. Now, don't forget now, say Mixon, what I'm trying to show you is that the Roman Catholics and the Protestants is wrong. They don't have no business fooling with it at all. They didn't even before the Messiah come, and they don't have after He come. Now, how about that? I'm talking about the mass or the mess. To say nothing about the Gentiles, it just don't work. Now I'm try.., I'm after it like the Bible teaches. Now I asked you to read Matthew 26:26.
Dr. Harris: And as they were eating,
Dr. Kinley: And as they were eating. They don't never say. They just get up there, 'As they were eating.' They don't even know what they was eating.
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: They was eating lamb. How do you find that out? Go back to the 12th chapter of Exodus. The thing was served in courses. As they were eating lamb. There on the menu, listen, on the menu they had lamb, unleavened bread, and bitter herbs. That's what was on the menu. That's all was on. And say listen, I want you to know this. There wasn't no wine; there wasn't no grape juice.
Student Body: Alright. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now look, listen folks, at the first Passover there wasn't nobody but the Jews there, especially when he's reading about the last one. There wasn't nobody but the Jews, and that was the last one.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And there was nobody but the Jews there. And all these popes and cardinals, Methodists and Baptists, and Presbyterians and Unitarians, all of them are liars, and don't know a thing about what it's all about. Now you can call that hateful and mean if you want to, but I demand that you tell the truth up here in this pulpit. He just don't know. They're standing around telling a barefaced lie, get a piece of flesh hung up in his tooth. Then he even go down, and he's talking down, they stand there and reverend says, 'Oh, it sure do feel good since he took the communion.' You're a liar. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's what it says. Alright, read on, Dr. Harris. And as they were eating...
Dr. Harris: Yahshua took bread,
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua took bread.
Dr. Harris: and blessed it,
Dr. Kinley: and blessed it,
Dr. Harris: and broke it,
Dr. Kinley: and broke it,
Dr. Harris: and gave it to the disciples, and said,
Dr. Kinley: And He gave it to His disciples. Now, I want you to understand this now boy. There wasn't nobody but the Jews there, no Gentiles at all. And for heaven's, for the sake of righteousness, there was no Roman Catholics in existence then.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: No such thing as a Roman Catholic at that time. Wasn't no such thing as a Baptist. No such thing as a Presbyterian. No such thing as a Unitarian. Now how about that? No such thing as a Christian.
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Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: How about that? Somebody said, 'Oh, yes, there was.' Alright you can have the pulpit. Come up here and prove it. I'll give you the floor. Every last one of them disciples was Jews. Now did you get what I just said? I'm showing you, there wasn't none at the first party, and there wasn't none at the last party, Now that's what I'm showing you. Well somebody says, 'Well, there was, they was Christians though.' No, they wasn't. Wasn't a one of 'em a Christian. Wasn't no Christians at this one down here. There wasn't no Christians at the last one. Somebody said, 'You mean to tell me that the disciples wasn't Christians?' Sure I mean to tell you that. You heard what I said, didn't you? That's what I mean to tell you. How in the world is gonna, how in the world is there gonna be a Christian, when you don't have a Christ? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. Can't do it.
Here they are now at the Christ's Mass, Christ's Mass. Now I want you to see how stupid it is. I have to bring this up. Then you get Christ's Mass in almost anytime you get together, you got a Christ's Mass. Now, you know that ain't gonna work. You hadn't thought about that, had you. How about that? Had you thought about that ____? Alright, read on Dr. Harris. And as they were eating, Yahshua took bread.
Dr. Harris: and blessed it, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples, and said,
Dr. Kinley: and gave it to His disciples,
Dr. Harris: and said,
Dr. Kinley: and said,
Dr. Harris: Take,
Dr. Kinley: Take,
Dr. Harris: eat;
Dr. Kinley: eat;
Dr. Harris: this is my body.
Dr. Kinley: Now, wait a minute. Wait, wait just a minute. He didn't say, 'now that's My body, Take this and eat. That's My body.' He didn't say that. Did He?
Student Body: No.
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Dr. Kinley: If He did, you all, you can't read. He said, 'take, eat, this is My body.' This one. Not that one, this one. This is My body. I tell you they don't say what He said. How about that? They just about tell you that bread was His body. He didn't say that. Then on top of all of that, on top of all of that, this is what they say. They say when a Pope or a priest prays over unleavened bread and wine or grape juice... Now listen, they say that it is transubstantiated into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. That is a degradational liar. Why would you say that? Now this is simple. Let me show you how simple it is. If what He said was so, if He changed that bread, unleavened bread, and that grape juice into the actual body and blood of Yahshua the Messiah, or Jesus Christ as He is called, then what he has done, he has created Jesus Christ; in other words, he's created the Creator. Read on, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: And He took the cup,
Dr. Kinley: And He took the cup,
Dr. Harris: and gave thanks,
Dr. Kinley: and gave thanks,
Dr. Harris: and gave it to them,
Dr. Kinley: and gave it to them,
Dr. Harris: saying,
Dr. Kinley: saying,
Dr. Harris: Drink ye all of it;
Dr. Kinley: Drink ye all of it;
Dr. Harris: For this is my blood
Dr. Kinley: For this is my blood, not that is my blood. You can read. How about that? John 2:19. Now we're talking about this and that, and we're showing you how, how they mess it all up. Now, you see what they done there, don't you? Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Yahshua answered and said unto them,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh,
Dr. Harris: Destroy this temple,
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Dr. Kinley: Destroy... Now, wait a minute. Now we're talking about this and that. He said, Destroy this temple, just like He said, Take and eat, this is My body. Give 'em the cup, said, drink all of it, this is my blood. Not that is My blood. Not that is My body. Now, I ain't changing up no Bible. They been sitting up there with a Roman Catholic Bible. Don't you have a Roman Catholic Bible there?
Student: Yes. The Jerusalem Bible.
Dr. Kinley: Is it imprimatured? If it ain't, it ain't no Roman Catholic. You say it's imprimatured?
Student: Yep.
Dr. Kinley: Okay. Does it read like what we just read over here, reading over here.
Student: Yep.
Dr. Kinley: Okay. I just wanna know. Now you just hang on to all that stuff. And people just tell you all kinds of lies. And you run your hand in your pocket, you're helping the Lord. All a man needs.., what he really oughta have on is a mask (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) and a gun and tell you, 'Come up in here.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) 'Put your pocket book in here. Hold the door back there.' (STUDENT BODY CONTINUES TO LAUGH) Robbing you of your money and the most precious of all is your soul. Alright, repeat Dr. Harris, for the sake of explanation.
Dr. Harris: Yahshua answered and said unto them,14
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua answered and said unto them,
Dr. Harris: Destroy this temple,
Dr. Kinley: Destroy... Now, He's talking about this temple. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: and in three days I will raise it up.
Dr. Kinley: and in three days I will raise it up. Talking about the same temple. Same body. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Then said the Jews,
Dr. Kinley: Then said the Jews,
Dr. Harris: Forty and six years
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Dr. Kinley: This is what you oughta see. Then said the Jews. They had the wrong understanding of it. Then said the Jews.
Dr. Harris: Forty and six years
Dr. Kinley: Now our fathers, forty and six years
Dr. Harris: was this temple in building,
Dr. Kinley: was this temple in building. Talking about the Herod.., the Herodian temple, was this temple in building, which really was that temple, that building that set there on Mount Moriah. Read.
Dr. Harris: and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Dr. Kinley: Now it, look, it took our fathers forty-six years to build this one, this temple up here. They misunderstood, they didn't realize He was talking about the temple of His body in the resurrection.
Now look, I, I, I wanna give an opportunity for somebody to, if they don't have an understanding of what we're trying to tell you, why we wanna give you an opportunity to ask questions. Now look, I want you to make a fool out of me. You're so smart; you, you try that. Go right on, help yourself. You got a break.
Now somebody says this is the way we used to do it. Get on the stairs out there, said, 'well, I could have told you something.' They said, 'I could, I could have told them something, but I just didn't wanna make him feel bad in front of a crowd.' You're a coward, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) and a hypocrite, and a liar on top of it. We don't want no hypocrites around here. No liars. Now the thing of it is, be honest, there's a lot of things evidently you didn't know when you come down here.
Student Body: That's right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: So don't feel bad about it. We was all in the same boat (Dr. KINLEY LAUGHS) until Yahsh, until Yahweh showed it. Isn't that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Everybody in the building was in the same boat.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: So don't feel bad about it. Don't feel like you are a lone ranger. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Yes, indeed. But this year we want you to understand. We want you to know something about the truth. Can I get any questions? Any questions. Alright, ask it.
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Student: Yeah, my question is, is when the sun sets, why do you have the blue, purple, and scarlet when you're looking at the sun setting?
Dr. Kinley: Alright, you've asked a question. The 19th division of Psalms. And while he's on, while we're on that, we saw some beautiful sunsets up there where we were at, and I think they've taken some pictures of it. And since you mentioned that, George, I want you to follow me down out there.
Student: Yes, sir.
Dr. Kinley: I want everybody in the place to understand what I'm talking about. And I'll give you a break on thus far to ask me questions about what I have talked about. And if you noticed, I condemned all of the Roman Catholicism and Christendoom, every bit of it. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: The heavens declare the glory of El;
Dr. Kinley: The heavens declare the glory of El;
Dr. Harris: and the firmament sheweth His handiwork.
Dr. Kinley: Now the firmament sheweth His handiwork.
Dr. Harris: Day unto day uttereth speech,
Dr. Kinley: Day unto day uttereth speech,
Dr. Harris: and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
Dr. Kinley: and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
Dr. Harris: There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Dr. Kinley: There is no speech nor language.
Dr. Harris: where their voice is not heard.
Dr. Kinley: There is no speech nor language... Now listen folks, that means this. Everybody can look in the heavens, you can do it. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Yet their message is gone, gone out through all the earth,
Dr. Kinley: Their message is gone out into all the earth,
Dr. Harris: and their story to the end of the world.
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Dr. Kinley: and their story... The planets... We wrote about it in the book. And it's wonderful, folks. And I intend to prove that, and I think I possess the ability to do it, too. Alright. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: In them hath He set a tabernacle for the sun,
Dr. Kinley: In them... In them hath He set a.., you know what I'm talking about, tabernacle for the sun. Alright.
Dr. Harris: Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
Dr. Kinley: Which is as a bridegroom coming out of the chamber,
Dr. Harris: and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
Dr. Kinley: and rejoiceth as a young dude to run a race.
Dr. Harris: His going forth is from the end of the heavens,
Dr. Kinley: Now, his going forth is from the end of the heavens,
Dr. Harris: and his circuit unto the ends of it:
Dr. Kinley: He's making a complete round trip. That's a round trip.
Dr. Harris: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
Dr. Kinley: and there is nothing hid, not a thing hid from the heat thereof, not a thing. Alright.
Dr. Harris: The law of Yahweh is perfect,
Dr. Kinley: Now the law of Yahweh is infallible. Do you recall a while ago when I stopped and took special pains and told you about the divine authenticity and the unerring accuracy, the accuracy and the absolute infallibility. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: converting the soul
Dr. Kinley: Now, it will convert the soul. The law of Yahweh will convert the soul; in other words, Yahweh's Spirit, the Law of the Spirit will convert the soul. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: The testimony of Yahweh is sure,
Dr. Kinley: Now, wait a minute. The testimony of Yahweh is sure. Alright.
Dr. Harris: making wise the simple.
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Dr. Kinley: Now, if you haven't got, I better back off of that. If you're stupid, and you're thick, and you been letting folks fool you all along, the testimony of Yahweh is what?
Dr. Harris: is sure,
Dr. Kinley: is sure,
Dr. Harris: making wise the simple.
Dr. Kinley: making wise the simple. Now Dr. Harris get Romans 1:19 and 20. And somebody get Matthew, the crucifixion, and we're after the resurrection. Now, I'm answering your question. I'm answering your question. Now, I don't have time to go into all the details of it, so I'm gonna have to cut it up short. I'm gonna have to do that. Now, try to follow. Try to follow. And if you're able to follow this time, you'll, you'll learn yourself something. Now where He was crucified and buried in Joseph's new tomb.
Dr. Harris: Matthew 27:61.
Dr. Kinley: Matthew 27. You'd better go up a little further.
Dr. Harris: Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over the land unto the ninth hour.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now look here. Now if you had asked me about the darkness, or why was it dark down in Egypt and why was it dark when He was crucified, the reason why it's dark down here in Egypt, Yahweh told 'em that night. Now listen. Now, here you are this morning celebrating mass, the Lord's Supper, this morning. Where do you find that at in the Book? You hadn't thought about that. Huh? Answer me.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: You ain't got no business celebrating no mass, or eating no Lord's Suppers at night or in the morning. Now when He's crucified out here, it's dark down in Egypt, when they're told to offer up the Paschal Lamb, when they eat the
Paschal Lamb, in order to prove that He's the Savior of the world, then it had to be dark over here.
Now listen, folks. That darkness... He's the Son of Yahweh. That darkness had to cover the face of the earth that day, just like it did back here, just like it did in the chaosis. Now look. This body that He has is a tabernacle. This is a tabernacle. Now listen, the greater and more perfect tabernacle... I'm talking about the creation of the heavens and the earth. It is a tabernacle listen George, it's got to be repeated in this.
Student Body: Alright.
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Dr. Kinley: So then the blue, purple, and scarlet, cause this is a figure of that out there. So then, if it's out there in the greater and more perfect tabernacle, it's got to be in the miniature tabernacle. Blue, purple, and scarlet.
Now listen, son.., this Yah.., this is a Son of Yahweh that was crucified out here. First, the easiest way to see it is go back in Genesis, and... Now listen, try to pay attention, folks, I'm... Now, this is simple. And then you'll, you'll actually wonder why in the world it wasn't, you wasn't able to see that before now. Well, the reason why you wasn't able to see it before now is you didn't have nobody to tell you nothing about it, even if you did belong to that church over there all the time.
Now, the third chapter of Luke says that Adam was a son of, of Yahweh, just like He is the Son. Well, now, Yahweh waited 'til the cool of the day to drive him out. See this sun setting up here? Now, that's sunset. The sun is going down, and he's going down. He's dead. Now, what I'm talking about is the sun in the ethereal heavens and Adam, the son. And I'm also talking about Yahshua the Messiah, being the son. Now, that's what I'm talking about.
And I'm showing you that in the.., the High Priest, he had to offer up that sacrifice and go in this Tabernacle. And here in this Tabernacle, Yahweh abode in this Tabernacle, and the greater and more perfect Tabernacle. It all has to work and correlate together, in order to prove the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy, and the absolute infallibility of the scriptures and the Bible and the existence of Yahweh. Now, He's proving His own existence. Now you pay attention. I, ring the bell on me when time is up. I'm gonna give them a break to ask questions.
Now, the sun is going down in the ethereal heavens, now He waited until the cool of the day to drive him out, cause that man, he was dead in his conscience. ____ ____ ____, and we say ____ ____ ____, but in his conscience he was condemned, or ____. And the sun was going down, and Yahweh waited til the cool of the day to drive him out.
Look at this. Michael there with the flaming sword. Look over here in the sanctuary and see the flame on the lamp. Go in the sanctuary or in the Garden, the blood, the water, the sweat of his face, and here coming into the sanctuary or into the physical. The blood, the water, coming into the door, into the sanctuary, the angel with the flaming sword. Why the flaming sword? It's dark; it's night. Darkness over the face of the deep. Adam is coming on down. He's going on down to death. And death will manifest itself in that physical body 930 years, at 930. Now, that's 70 years short of a day with Yahweh, cause 1000 years is as a day.
Now follow it now, try to follow, cause this is simple, as plain as the nose on your face. Now, listen, here's the sun coming down here in the sky, and here he's driven out of the Garden. Now, Yahshua the Messiah, He's got to go in the Garden of Gethsemane, and here's the offering, Jesus, offers up the prayer. He, He is our Intercessor. He's in you. If that be the case, what do you want with a prayer book? Somebody hands you a prayer book and tell you how to pray. Paul
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said we know not how to pray as we ought.15 Well all you have to do is ask the priest. Prayer book. You don't need no prayer book; you need the Holy Spirit. That'll take care of that situation. Now then, now here's Yahshua the Messiah. He ate that last Passover. He went on out. Well I'll, I'll tell you, I'll tell you the whole thing because if you, if you read Matthew 27:52 down there, you would see it, but I have to say this in order to get it together, so you can see.
Now, what I'm talking about is the sun going down and I'm talking about the sunset, I'm talking about the blue, purple, and scarlet. I'm talking about the earthquake. I'm talking about the resurrection. I'm talking about the ascension. And I'm talking about Him ascended into heaven to sit down at the right hand of the Father. Listen folks, repeated every day. Now Yahshua went on His ____. Well, I'll put it this way. That last supper, the last Lord's Supper... They, they're still yet eating it, but that was the last one right back there. Now then, He rose up, gird Himself about with a towel.
Now, you pay attention, because we have got to go according to the dictates of this pattern we got to have blood, water, and the spirit's got to be there. We can't never digress from that and we're going by a pattern. This is line, this is your blood line, this is your water line, and this is the spirit line. You cannot digress. If this is the Garden of Eden back here... Now listen, if He comes in the earth plane, and you say He come to fulfill. I didn't say that a while ago, when I was telling you about He showing you how to live a Christian life. You can't do like ____ could do it. But He came and died that the Holy Spirit might be poured out on you, that the Intercessor might be in you. Now, my point is this: Adam is out here in the Garden. The angel is here with the flaming sword. Here in the Garden is where the Devil messed Eve up, deceived her. He didn't deceive Adam, he deceived the woman. And, and look here folks, the same devil is deceiving the folks today in the church. That's in Cain, same devil, same old pope in and out here. Now we got Him out there in the Garden. And He rose up from eating that Passover Supper. Now pay attention. And He gird Himself about with a towel16 and He begin to wash the disciples' feet. He had to do that because Moses brought Aaron to the door of the Tabernacle and washed him in water17 and anointed him with anointing oil before he could officiate in the sanctuary. So then He's fulfilling the law and the prophecy.18 Now that's what He said He come to...
TAPE ENDS.
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15 Romans 8:26
16 John 13:4
17 Exodus 30:20,21; Leviticus 8:6
18 Leviticus 8:12
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
recorded by Edna Law
2 90 minute audio cassettes
Catalog #: 75.0115
transcribed by Norman and Dawn Mook
first proofreading: Debi Maneeley
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fourth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Dr. Kinley: As all of you know the order of this service on Wednesday night has been dedicated to speaking and asking, asking and answering questions relegated to the teaching.
Now I'm sure there's a lotta things that people would like to know something about, know more about, most particular about our heavenly Father. Then there's some things that we do have to call your attention to that you might be aware and that is that it is Yahweh's responsibility to send you somebody and to make known unto you what His purpose really is. And it is your indispensable duty to hear it.
I recall that Yahshua the Messiah made this statement. And if you so choose, I'll look it up and have it read. He said to the Sanhedrin Council, 'Why do you call me,' it's in your King James version of the Bible, 'Lord and Master? And do not the things that I say. Why did you do that?' In other words He was Yahweh incarnated in a physical body. And naturally His father, He bore His Father's name, Yahweh. And He did many things that just an ordinary man couldn't do. He had to do that in order to prove that He was the Son of Yahweh.
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Now the simple thing, just minor thing that you should know, people often overlook and just go on just any kinda which way. For example: now everybody in this building has a mother and a father. And they have taken their father's name, even their mother has taken the father's name. Now why should you be so stupid and so ignorant, so contrary and delinquent to accept the fact that Yahshua the Messiah come in His Father's name. And if He came in His Father's name, it's a, it's a matter of absolute impossibility... Now you just simply don't need no sense, you don't need no college education to understand what I'm talking about now. This is, this is teaching. That's what we intend to do tonight. We're not gonna put our finger in our ear and rare (rear?) back and groan and moan and carry on like that. We want you to know something for sure. You've been deceived all of your life, and there's a time and a season for everything under the heavens. Now it's time for you to stop being fooled and learn yourself some sense.
Now getting back to my statement there. Now everybody in this building, you don't need no education, you don't need no sense, you know the Lord, God and Jesus Christ... Now there's no relationship to that at all. Now you know that. And something else I wanted to mention here too. These TV preachers, and these great evangelists like Billy Graham and others that are told what these true names are and they go right on talking about Lord, God and Jesus Christ. They go right on, don't, don't pay no attention to it. But now look here, get what I'm saying now, there is not one Jewish rabbi on earth today, not a one on Earth today that don't know that the name is Yahweh of our heavenly Father, Elohim is a title, and Yahshua is His Son's name. All of them know Billy Graham is wrong. They know Rex Humbard is wrong. They know all of these regular and television preachers, they know they're wrong. And some more for your information. The name Yahweh has never been out of the Masoretic text of the Bible. It hasn't never been out. Lord, God and Jesus Christ have never been in there. Now those people, they will not accept correction. We have sent them our work. We sent 'em a Holy Name Bible.
I want you to know that the Holy Name Bible that we teach out of was written and revised by A. B. Traina. He is, or rather was the late A.B. Traina I should say because he's now deceased, he is an Italian Jew of the tribe Nepher. And they all know it. Now it ain't gonna do you no good to be come up with some contraries. And wanna tell you this: Yahweh's not gonna accept it. Now if you're here tonight for the first time and this is the first time that you ever heard this, from tonight forward you are responsible. Yahweh's not gonna accept Lord, God and Jesus Christ out of you no more, after tonight. Now you may think that He will, but He won't. You may think I don't know what I'm talking about. You may go out and consult somebody else and if they told you anything different than what I've told you, they've lied to you.
Now, there's something else I wanna tell you, too. And that is this: this work and this school is the result of a divine vision and revelation that come from Yahweh. Now I've made some pretty hard statements on this floor and I want to call attention to one of 'em. One of them is this: if I don't do the works of Him that sent me, and do the work that no other man can do, don't you believe me. Now that oughta be fair.
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Now I'd like to say this: just running around in the Bible reading chapter and verse here and there and what not, people think that, 'well that man certainly is a well read man, a Bible read man.' Every time almost I come to school somebody hand me some paperwork from some preacher. I have some there tonight. I haven't read it, Doctor Dennis Droulard gave it to me. And he said, right from the same book the man set up a thing, then turn around and tore it down. He don't even realize he's done it. Billy Graham and all the rest of 'em do the same thing. They can't tell a story straight. They don't know when they're disputing themselves.
And Rex Humbard.., I just might as well tell you how it is. TV preachers sending a brood all the time for money. Want somebody to send them money that he might carry the Word of the Lord on. And I saw him on TV, I'm talking about what I saw. I saw him on TV up over in Jerusalem. He had them moving pictures of him and it was shown on TV. And he was supposed to be right around the tomb where Yahshua, whom the world calls Jesus Christ, is built. And he was over there talking about Jesus Christ. Sister Estelle Ellenberg wrote him a letter, she's setting here I guess in the congregation. Now hold up your hand if you're in here. She ain't here? She's a Jew. David was a Jew. Dr. Gross is a Jew. But she wrote him a letter and called his attention to those names and what not. And he wrote back and this is what he said. He said if I were in Jerusalem, that he was, first he said he was aware of the name in being Yahshua. And if he were in Jerusalem he would use that name. Now that's what he said. Now we had the letter and we still do have it. Well now the man just emphatically lied, cause he was in Jerusalem when he was there and he was using Lord, God and Jesus Christ. That's before he received our letter. Now they don't mind lying. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) They don't mind lying and people are not wise enough to catch them in their lies.
Now Billy Graham, I want to mention about him too. We sent him a Bible, Holy Name Bible written by A.B. Traina just like we have here. And we sent him one of our books. The first one he kept. We didn't have a Holy Name Bible to send him when he sent it back because the Holy Name Bible had not yet been printed. That was in 1961, and the Holy Name Bible came out in '63. And so by and by and by when we got the next edition in '69 and I think, when was the other one? '71? We sent him a Holy Name Bible and the next edition. I don't know whether it was '69 or '71. Which was it, Dr. Gross?
Dr. Carl F. Gross: '69.
Dr. Kinley: '69? He sent it back. Did he send it back?
Student: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: We got it at home. Now suppose everybody that he sent that trash that he writes people about, back to him. How would he feel about it? Now that's an insult. And that, that, that's a very poor Christian. That doesn't show any respect at all. A man like that hasn't got no business preaching the gospel.
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: I read the literature from an atheist or an agnostic, an infidel, a liar or a hypocrite, or a back bitter (backbiter?), just anybody. And I tell you all to do the same.
Dr. Kinley: So you know what's going on in the world. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now here he is. He's so righteous, that he sent our work back. Insult. And yet and still he's got books he wants somebody to read and so forth and so on.
Now you have a Negro on TV, that goes along with this program. He's one of his right hand preachers. And Dr. Gross sent him some literature about those names. The Negro I'm talking about, not Billy Graham. I don't want you to get that mixed up. And so the Negro he kept it. And then this edition of the book 'Decision,' the name Yahweh Elohim is in the book. Is that right?
Now folks, I said all of that, to say this: to make you understand and make you become aware of the fact that you simply have to hear those that Yahweh has sent to, to, to teach you. You have to hear 'em. Now we have had a lot of this. Somebody comes along and I may say something up here and then they might go home and get a book or something or other was written by Life magazine or some theologian or something other like that. And then they bring it back and show it to me where I'm mistaken in what I said. Show me where I'm wrong in what I said. Well now you don't do it that way. Now you don't, you just don't do it that way, because I know how to prove what I say, they don't. And listen here, let me tell you something. What I say and what I tell you, remember I told you I had a vision and a revelation don't forget that. And I communicate and I talk with Yahweh. I don't have to see nobody about nothing, I don't care a thing about your education. I have respect for everybody that has an education. I think you should go to school and learn all that you can, both ways. Nothing wrong with that, but you can't take a college education or a university education and come down, come down here and correct Yahweh. You can't do that. Now we're not trying to be in harmony with none of 'em.
We went a fishing today. Doctor Gross, Doctor Harris and Joe Crockran, back there and Clarence Keyes. We went fishing. And we went out on the seven o'clock boat, that means that we have to be out there before that boat at seven o'clock. And the sun was just peaking up, looked like it was coming up out of the water. And we have seen it rise out there many times when we go a fishing. And I said, 'You see that sunrise over there today? Today, do you see the sun rising over there?' He said, 'Yes, we certainly do.' Now you just stop and think how many people at the age of accountability and that can recognize the sun and other objects, have seen the sun rise out there and all of their lives they never know why. They don't know a thing about why it does that. You never heard nobody say nothing about it until you come in this school.
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: You just never heard nothing like that. Now how about that? Now you see how simple that is? Now you want somebody to come along and correct me on that? You look in your paper and you see sunrise at such and such a so and so and sunset at such and such a time. Now I brought that up, because... Now what we wanna do in this school is to teach you in simplicity, so that you can understand some things. Now that's a very common thing, wouldn't you say so? There isn't anybody in this building that has reached the age of accountability but what hasn't seen the sun rise. Surely seen it set. But they don't, you never heard nobody in your life say why it did that. For the most part, the most of you never even thought nothing about it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Never even had a remote notion or an imagination about in your life. Now how about that? That's something to think about.
Did you know it? Look here. Now you read the story in the Bible about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Anybody, Billy Graham or Rex Humbard or anybody can read that. Suppose we try to find it in the book of... Let's look it up and see. And when Adam committed the sin, Yahweh drove him out of the Garden. Now what time of day, for the most part don't mean nothing to the folks. And some of 'em have the nerve to say that He drove the women (woman?) out. They're think it's true, but that's not so. Bible doesn't teach that. Possibilities are you've heard a preacher say that He drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden. How about that? The Bible does not say it. Well why didn't He drive her out of the Garden? You never heard nobody say nothing about that either? There's just so many simple things that you never heard nothing about, nobody said nothing about. They are important. Now the reason why Yahweh didn't drive the woman out of the Garden was because when He put the man in the Garden the woman was in him. So when He drove the man out, the woman, she went on out too. She went on out with him because she was with him when he went in there.
My goodness. Alright. Read. What happened? I'm talking about, first, before you read that, look at the third chapter of Luke and the last verse. I wanna show you... (SOMEONE IS COUGHING) Bless you. ____ ____ ____ ____ you've heard some smart aleck wanna show how smart he was. He said he talked about the pre-Adamic Earth. He said the Earth was inhabited before Adam. Human beings. Pre-Adamic human beings. That's not so. Yes, there was some created creatures before Adam: the Angels. Won't deny that. But now this is what I want you to see. I want you to see there that in the third chapter of Luke that this man Adam back here is the Son of Yahweh. Would you mind?
Dr. Harris: Which was the son of Enos
Dr. Kinley: Which was the son of Enos.
Dr. Harris: Which was the son Seth
Dr. Kinley: Which was the son of Seth.
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Dr. Harris: Which was the son Adam
Dr. Kinley: Which was the son of Adam.
Dr. Harris: Which was the son of Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: Which was the Son of Elohim. Now that, those are pedigrees and genealogies. Now he was a son of Elohim. In your King James version it says that he was the Son of God. Now you see He's the Son of God? Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. Now if He's a son of God... Now we wannna (wanna?) know.., this is all important, but the average preacher he don't realize it's important. He don't know nothing about it. Millions upon top of millions of Roman Catholics and Protestants, they don't know nothing about it. And yet and still they read it out of the Bible. Now I'll tell what I talking about there. When Yahshua, when this Passover was ate down in Egypt, it was dark down there. Now just to show you the simplicity and the stupidity, the Roman Catholics they'll have a mass on Sunday morning. They ain't paying no attention to what the conditions are, whether it's dark or what not. When you setting up there you don't know. You ain't got no business eating no Lord's Supper. First place you haven't got no business eating one now, as an ordinance. The reason why I said that, tacked that on, was because if you eat anything at all it's the Lord's. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) ____ ____ you should be offended. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) if you gonna get into something, let me ____ anyhow. ____ ____ ____, understand what we're talking about. They're showing you the simplicity of it and the ignorance and stupidity of man.
Now I want you to read here, what happens here when Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden and what time of the day or when did He drive him out of the Garden. Now you've already found out that he was a son of Yahweh. Alright.
Reader: Therefore Yahweh sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the ground from where he was taken.
Dr. Kinley: Yes.
Reader: So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the Garden of Eden cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way of the tree of life.
Dr. Kinley: I want what time of day it is
Dr. Harris: Genesis 3:8.
Dr. Kinley: The eight verse and the third chapter.
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Dr. Harris: And they heard the voice of Yahweh Elohim as they were walking in the garden in the cool of the day.
Dr. Kinley: Um Hum. In the cool of the day. Read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: And the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of Yahweh Elohim amongst the trees of the garden.
Dr. Kinley: Um Hum. Now it reads on down there and it'll tell everybody He's driving him out. Now did you notice it was the cool of the day? Now it ain't a prea... ____ ____. It don't mean a thing to him. Well God said it, the Bible said it, 'so what.' It don't mean a thing to him. Just like the evening Passover. Now you can't deny, you can't argue about that. In the first place you don't have no business eating it like that. And if they was gonna eat the Passover lamb like this, like the Jews did. And get this one straight now, get this one straight. Wasn't anyone in the history of the world supposed to eat it, but the Hebrews or the Jews. No Gentiles at no time. Listen now. He wasn't invited to the first Passover that was down in Egypt. If it had been, then the Egyptians would have been eating it too. Now pay attention, he wasn't invited to the first one, then if Yahshua is gonna fulfill it when He comes in, he can't be invited to the last one. Now they haven't stopped yet, they're continuing on. And Yahshua the Messiah said he wasn't gonna eat no more with them. So said, 'well, we'll just eat it by ourselves.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. 'And if He ain't gonna be there to break the bread and break the wine and all I'll just do it myself.' How about that? He said, He wasn't gonna be there. Is that what He said?
Student Body: That's right, that's right.
Dr. Kinley: And if you don't think He said that, I'll read. And if you look at the 26th chapter of Matthew, you'll find wasn't anyone there but His disciples in the upper room. And all the Jews all over Palestine and all over the place, they ate it. And they're out among the other nations, as they were scattered abroad, they ate their Passover outta the ____, the Jews I said. No, never no Gentiles. Now look folks, you can see by that, what we've just said. First he doesn't have any business eating it at all, the Jew don't have no business eating it that way now. Then, if that be the case... And then he don't know what, he forgets all about He ate at night. He forgets who is supposed to be administering it, ordinance. And at night, nobody but the Jews, this is the first one, listen, that's the only Passover that the Jews ate. All of the rest of 'em was memorials of this one back here.
Now folks that's a something to think about. Now when you commence to sit down, I'm showing you the reality of Yahweh and His purpose and how far away men are, just how, how really far away they are. It says that in everybody's Bible that the Israelites was supposed... Told Moses to speak to the Children of Israel, and take that lamb out on the tenth and offer it up on the fourteenth. Is that right? And that night they was to eat that Passover with their staff in their hands and ready to depart out of the land of Egypt. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right... In haste.
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Dr. Kinley: In haste. That is right. Now look folks, nobody but the Jews. Now doesn't that indict a lotta people? And at that last Passover when Yahshua the Messiah was.., ministered that Last Supper. That's the last one. Nobody but the Jews was there present. And your pastor gets up and says this that Jesus said as often as we eat this bread and drink of this cup, we show forth His death and suffering til He come. Now then if that be the case. Now what he talked like, he talked like that Yahshua didn't rise from the dead and he's still just laying out there in the ground, but He did raise from the dead, and went right back up there, in the same place and Didymus or Thomas wasn't there. And he said he won't believe that He resurrected from the dead until he sees for himself. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And Yahshua the Messiah just appeared there, and told him to stick his hands and his fingers in the nail prints and see that it is I Myself. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now he didn't stick his fingers in there or his hands in the nail prints, but when he looked at Him, he recognized Him. And a lotta people, they haven't even known anything about that. They don't know why that was or nothing. It was a fulfillment of prophecy, saying the prophecy said, He shall be called, somebody says, 'wonderful counsel.' No. He ain't right. He shall be called Wonderful. He shall be called Counselor, the Prince of Peace, the mighty Elohim. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: I tell you. And yet and still you come down here and sit up down here. And somebody tell you about it, and you get up and run up yonder somewhere else. Wasted your time and paying some hypocrite preacher. You're just going right on to heaven any how. Yes sir, you're going right on anyhow. We tell you about things you shouldn't do; go ahead on and do it anyhow.
Now look folks. At this present time in the conclusion or the end of this age, now there are those that say that they have been sent in by Yahweh: Herbert Armstrong for one. And Sun Myang (Myung?) Moon too, Bauhia, course he's dead now. That's of the Baha faith. That guru that was over here. And none of 'em know straight up.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. ____ ____ ____ Now let me get back on this subject. Now you remember I told you that we stood and we seen the sunrise out there this morning. And it looked like it was coming up out of the Pacific Ocean, didn't it, Doctor Harris? And as it peeked up over the horizon, you could look at it, even without sunglasses. And it rose on up in the sky, reached it's zenith, that is to height in the sky directly over head. And then next it begin to go down. It rose in the east and then it set down, or sun down in the west, but when it sun rose,
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that was day. The light Yahweh called day, the darkness He called night. Now that son (sun?) rising out there in the sky, listen folks, that showed the resurrection of the Messiah. Now how many of you knew that before you come to school down here. Stand up. You have to help me a little. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) How many of you knew that? Now somebody might say, 'well now look, where does the Bible say that?' Well now look, we read there in the Book where He sent the angel that drove the man out in the cool of the day. And the angel had a flaming sword to keep that way so that man couldn't go back in that way and take of the Tree of Life. Now if you look at that flaming sword and the angel's a ministering spirit, then you got up on this spirit line. That what you done. You got right up on this spirit line. Now the sun in the sky, in the ethereal heavens, when it's going down, Yahweh shows this man is going on to the grave. He was instantaneously condemned in his conscience or dead.
Now what I'm trying, now what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to show you how that Yahweh will judge the world in righteousness. And how simple and how easy it is for you to understand when somebody comes along that Yahweh has, has sent to you. There's no problem to explain. Now you don't get this by going to college.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. Now the man, the sun is going down here in the sky. And the son, S U N and S O N are together here. They're coming down. And they come out here to work in the sweat of his face. And then he goes on down to lose his life or to death, ____, the life of the flesh. Now then you got blood, water, and spirit. Now follow, follow. Now, the reason why I'm telling you this, now I'm just telling you things that's in your Bible and that you never heard the preacher say nothing about in your life.
Now, this is the Garden of Eden. Now we come over here. This is the Garden of Gethsemane. One thing has to correlate with the other. It has to operate that way. For what reason? To prove the divine authenticity, listen, the unerring accuracy, the absolute infallibility, and the eternal existence of our heavenly Father, Yahweh. Read Romans 1:18, 19, and 20. Now I'm showing you why they operate like this. And I expect to show you something here before I get off of this floor. Simple things that your great academically trained, philosophical and psychological minded theologians of today don't know the first thing about it, and stand up and look at it every day. They don't know why a man is made up like he is. And if you ask him, say, 'why did Yahweh make a man like he is?' 'Well,' he said, 'He made in, in His likeness and in His image, after the inner man.' Yet, they don't know nothing about the outer one.
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: Now how's he gonna know something about the inner man? I'm telling you it makes me sore sometimes. I really get sore about it, this stupidity. And you trying, the loved ones, you're trying to rescue them because you realize the wrath of Yahweh. You're trying to pull 'em out of the fire, and they just keep going on anyhow. 'Well I'm going on, if I'm lost, I'm gonna have plenty of company going to the lake.' Yeah, you're gonna have plenty company going both ways, but that's no justifiable reason or excuse for you to go to the Lake. And I'll promise you, you won't be so happy about it either. They got these canned answers. 'When did God create the heaven and earth?' 'Genesis 1:1, in the beginning.' That's the catechism, catechism.
Oh my goodness. And Jesus, He's coming back. I'll put, I'll put it this way. Sun Myan (Myung?) Moon said this and Jehovah's Witnesses are saying this: in 1975, this year I don't know how many of you are looking for it, say this year that Christ shall come back to earth again and set up His kingdom on the earth and then He'll clean this world up and straighten it out.
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Dr. Kinley: And you that are saints will reign with Him one thousand years. Now that's what you call the pre millennium. And then some say, 'no, He'll come only part of the way down,' that's the fourth chapter of first Thessalonians and the sixteenth verse, for the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with the voice of an archangel and the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. And they which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. He don't come all the way down to the earth. Now some got Him coming all the way down to the ground and ruling down here for a thousand years and some got Him caught up in the sky. Then they went on back to heaven with the righteous folk and left the wicked dead laying out there in the cemetery. And then a thousand years after they come back and resurrect the dead, the wicked dead. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And then there goes the living. I'll tell you a carnal minded is a... Now there ain't nothing like that in no Bible. All that's wrong. Okay read.
Dr. Harris: For the wrath of Yahweh is revealed from heaven
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, even tonight the news talked about an earthquake. Now all of these earthquakes, do you know what they represent? Do you know why they are? They signify what? The removal, now don't ____ ____ ____, I will read it, signifies the removing of the... Don't pay no attention to nothing... I don't care who it is. We just gonna go on our way about it... Now you are right down in the last prophetic moments of this age and it definitely will ____. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: For the wrath of Yahweh
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Dr. Kinley: For the wrath of Yahweh. Listen we are always talking unity. I'll put it this way. There's a school called unity. They are always talking about God so, John 3:16, God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The love of God, of God surpasseth all understanding. All the love, but listen here folks, the wrath is as great as His love. You can't take it. Yes indeed, the wrath is as great as His love. It won't be funny then. And listen let me tell you something else. Now you pay attention. While you're going on with your stubbornness and your hard head... And I want you to know this too. Everybody in this building, don't make no difference who you are and where you come from. And everybody outside of the building, that oughta be.., and all over the world has to be changed, changed from a mortal to an immortal. Now there is no such thing as you gonna fry and sizzle and burn in this physical body forever. That ain't gonna happen. It wouldn't last that long. Now everybody in the building talking about, and it concerns you, the wrath of Yahweh is revealed from heaven against what?
Dr. Harris: Against all impiety
Dr. Kinley: Against all the unrighteousness. And what else?
Dr. Harris: Against all impiety and unrighteousness of man
Dr. Kinley: And unrighteous of Billy Graham.
Dr. Harris: No, of men.
Dr. Kinley: and others. Of man. Therefore
Dr. Harris: Who hold the truth in unrighteousness
Dr. Kinley: You can tell 'em what it's all about and they'll go right on just the same. You ever heard of that? And Yahweh's revealing His wrath from heaven against it. And there's something else here I'd like to say about this and don't you forget it. Don't you ever forget this, as long as you live and breath: Yahweh raised up a people of the seed of Abraham, the Jews. You don't read nothing in your Bible about no Gentiles having no visions and revelations. Now how about that? So now the reason why I brought that up is to try to show you that the.., all the covenants, the doctrines and everything of Yahweh was given to the Jewish people to give to the Gentiles. Don't you forget that. And He raised 'em up specifically for that purpose. Now here comes every Gentile along, he knows more about God than a Jew or anybody else ____. He's around trying to convert the Jew. That's right. Trying to tell the Gentiles, the Jews, the Gentiles are trying to tell the Jews and Lord, God, and Jesus Christ ain't right. The wrath of Yahweh is revealed from heaven against all impiety or unrighteousness of men. They oppose the truth in unrighteousness. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Because that which may be known of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Because that which may be known of Yahweh.
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Dr. Harris: Is manifest in them
Dr. Kinley: Is manifested in them.
Dr. Harris: For Yahweh has showed it unto
Dr. Kinley: Now I just got through telling you. Yahweh has revealed it to the Jews. Now if you want me to read over here in the tenth chapter of Romans about that, I can do it. It's in there. And they will tell what they saw in the visions and the revelations. The Holy Spirit was poured out on them on the day of Pentecost. And they were told to go in all the world and go to the Gentiles and preached unto the Gentiles. And seven years later came in to Cornelius' household. The Holy Spirit was poured out on them. Now listen, then the Gentiles was adopted into the family of Yahweh. Now wait a minute, I don't want you to misunderstand me, cause it is easy to misunderstand me. You didn't have the faith tonight you ain't been adopted in, in the.., and neither was the Jews. Now Paul says, put it this way, fifteenth chapter of first Corinthians fiftieth verse. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood does not inherit the kingdom of Yahweh; you understand that? Now your flesh and blood. And now if Jesus was supposed to come back and set up His kingdom on earth, then it would be an earthly kingdom, and then flesh and blood couldn't enter.
Student Body: Um em
Dr. Kinley: Now that means neither the Jew or the Gentile. Now how about that? I'll tell you the devil is a dilly, you know that? And look here Jehovah's Witness going around building Kingdom halls too. Now ain't the something? Maybe even some of you might not think that that's in the Bible as I tell you, read it Dr. Harris and then come back were you started at. First Corinthians 15:50 I think it is. I told you about Pope Pious (Pius?) the twelfth, what he said. Alright read it.
Dr. Harris: 1 Corinthians 15:50
Dr. Kinley: 1 Corinthians 15:50.
Dr. Harris: Now this I say brethren....
Dr. Kinley: Now that's Paul talking. And. Now this I say brethren.
Dr. Harris: That flesh and blood.
Dr. Kinley: That flesh and blood.
Dr. Harris: Cannot inherit the kingdom of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: That the flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of Yahweh. Read.
Dr. Harris: Neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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Dr. Kinley: Neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. That's the reason why I told all you about these changes and it's our inner man that enters into the Kingdom, not the physical, not flesh and blood. Now when you stop and look into that mystery, then you come with some surprises again. Now here's the surprises that you come with. You got the black folks out there, they're talking about black supremacy. And here the white folks out there talking about white supremacy. But I'll have you to understand there ain't no black folks in the kingdom and there ain't no white folks in the kingdom. Now how about that?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now don't go away, don't go away telling you didn't learn something tonight. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) No, don't do that. No don't do that. Now just let me tell you something else. Now you know good and well you learned something already. ____ ____. Yes indeed. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Alright.
Don't forget the subject now, we're talking about sunrise and sunset. And they telling you how the wrath of Yahweh is revealed from heaven. Hey, don't you know the sun is a planet out there in heavens and the moon and the stars, the elements. How about that? And Yahweh created them. And we told you many times they are controlled by universal spirit law. And Yahweh made 'm that way to manifest and reveal Himself. And the ____ to reveal His purpose, and mankind setting around there looking at it all of their life and he ain't had even a good imagination about it. Read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: For the invisible things of him.
Dr. Kinley: Now look, you can't see this, for the invisible things of Him.
Dr. Harris: From the creation of the world.
Dr. Kinley: Now clear on back to the creation of the world
Dr. Harris: Are clearly seen.
Dr. Kinley: Now you can see invisible things. If you have somebody to show it to you. If you don't have nobody to show it to you, you can't see it. How about that? Matter of fact just like I just got through telling you, you saw the sunrise and set all of your life, you didn't have no idea why.
And listen here. We have a convention coming up. And you have heard Dr. Mitchell. Now the way they was doing in New York, see I'm gonna bring this up, just to show you some of the errors and mistakes and how you can miss the boat setting right up here in the church, just right up here in school, in church, you got what... (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) This is a school, ain't it? Now, they're going in and set around til they saw everybody was there and then they start off to preaching and teaching, they didn't have no songs and prayers or nothing like that. ____ ____ ____, why what's wrong here? They do it in all the rest of the schools. 'Why don't you do it over there?' 'Well, we just cut out that and get right
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into the teaching.' 'Well, say fella, this is part of the teaching.' Now to show you that it is part of the teaching, when the high priest offered up this sacrifice, this is a daily thing too. 'And another thing,' they said, 'well listen, we're, we're just trying to get away from repetition. Yahshua said don't use vain repetition.' Now does the sunrise in the east and set in the west everyday? Is that a vain repetition?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Don't the seasons of the year come around all the time?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Is that vain repetition?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: The high priest was told to offer up the sacrifice and go in there every day at the same time: nine o'clock in the morning, 12 at noon, and also at three o'clock in the afternoon, burn that incense on there. That was called the hour of prayer and the rest of 'em was out there around the tabernacle praying. ____ ____, they didn't have the Holy Spirit. Now was that a vain repetition?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Not that was the service. Now what we are doing and the reason why we do them things is because of this. So they said, they were getting right into the teaching, ____ ____ ____, missing the boat all together, this is a part of the teaching. 'Well,' said, 'well we don't do this this way.' ____ ____ ____, we don't burn no incense and while they was praying around the outside of the tent and having prayers nine o'clock, and 12, and three in the afternoon. Paul said pray without ceasing. Now how about that? ____ told to live in that attitude. This is a type and a shadow and it's a reality ____ ____. Oh, you can miss the boat so bad. Alright read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: For the invisible things of Him
Dr. Kinley: For the invisible things of Yahweh.
Dr. Harris: From the creation of the world.
Dr. Kinley: Now look here now, all the way on back to the creation. Now this is what I'm trying to tell you now. I talked about the sun rising out there. And I talked about the sun reaching it's zenith in the sky and I talked about the sun setting. And then I, what I'm trying to show you is this, the purpose of Yahweh is making the thing doing His job. And there make 'em great smart preachers. Eternal power and, or supernal nature, or the godhead as you have in the King James version of the Bible. So that you can look right at it and see it. The sun's out there rising and setting and you looking right straight at it. And them evangelical preacher he's up there preaching and walking and slapping and
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moaning and groaning and stomping and hollering, kicking and screaming and carrying on. And you, haven't even no, no idea about the godhead. That's right. The wrath of Yahweh is shaking up the world. And he's getting ready ____ ____, right on right on, ____ one thing just like the other one. ____ ____. Alright. Now the invisible things of him are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made. Man in his likeness and image. So you wouldn't have no excuse. That's the internal and external. Alright. So that you wouldn't have no excuse. Now listen, Why don't you try to take some of these words home. Now it won't do for you to go up in Yahweh's face, like the devil and say, 'well listen Yahweh, I didn't know.' He went and did all these things so you won't have no excuse. You see that now? Removed your excuse. One said, 'well, I'm a Jew. I, I, I.' Somebody else said, 'well, I'm a Jehovah's Witness or I'm a whatever, I'm a Roman Catholic.' Don't make no difference what you are, these invisible things and you can understand these invisible things by the thing that Yahweh has made. That's gonna judge the rest in righteousness. And you ain't gonna have no excuse, ain't gonna accept no excuse. Somebody said, 'well, I don't think that Dr. Kinley is sent of God,' That ain't gonna excuse you. That ain't gonna help you one bit. I didn't put that sun out there in the sky, Yahweh did that. And Yahweh's gonna accept this body and he can get in it, if he wants to. Now wait a minute, now let's get this thing straight. Now it's gonna be one or the other Yahweh or the devil gonna be. Now you can't talk. Now you can know that. This is His house and He can dwell in it or else the other boy does. How about that? And no hanging on the fence. Alright, read on Dr. Harris. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Yahhead, Godhead. Now look, now, now I'm through with that, I'm through with that.
Now look over there in, I think in Malachi, Freddie you grab that ____, said the contrite ____ ____. And so when Yahshua the Messiah was crucified out there on the cross. Malachi
Fred Allen, Jr.: 4 and 3.
Dr. Kinley: Now what I'm telling you now is: this sunrise... Now somebody get the 27th chapter of Matthew I think it is were that Yahshua the Messiah was crucified. Now pay attention, pay attention. And those men down at the tomb, these men at the tomb. They went up to the Sanhedrin Council and told them that He had resurrected from the dead just like He said He would do. And they told them, said, 'now look, we don't want this report to get out, because if this report gets out, then our the last error will be worse than the first.' They crucified Him. And when they crucified Him, the earth trembled and shook. Now I'll have you know that the earth is moving around the sun, they think.., there's been some question about it. The earth moves around the sun, out there in Joseph's new tomb. Yes, it shook, it shook. Twice it did that. When He was crucified and then those men that crucified Him out there, Roman soldiers, they looked at Him and they said that He has, certainly He was the Son. And they said, 'truly He was the S O N and the ____. Alright read.
Reader: Malachi 4:2.
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Dr. Kinley: Malachi 4:2. Now this is what we're talking about? We're talking about the sun in the sky in the ethereal heavens, or this is over here if you see it. We're talking about the sun in the ethereal heavens and the Son hanging out there on the cross. That's two sons. We're talking about the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the visible things; in other words these two are operating together. Remember, when he was driven out of the Garden the sun was going down. At His death, has been crucified for our sins or the sins or the whole world. I'm talking about the Adamic Transgression back there, that caught us all under sin. And then it starts to turn dark over the face of the earth from the sixth to the ninth hour. Well why did it turn dark over... Don't you see, He's coming outside of the Garden and the sun's going down, don't you see the blood running out of His body and the sun, both of 'em going down together. Now if they're going down together, they got to come up together. Read Malachi.
Dr. Harris: But unto you that revere my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings.
Dr. Kinley: Spell that sun.
Dr. Harris: S U N.
Dr. Kinley: The Jew that revered His name, shall the sun S U N of righteousness rise. Sunrise. You heard me, you ain't blind. Son rise with healing in His wings. Yes, we'll roll the stone up to door and we'll make the sepulchre sure because that deceiver said that He was gonna rise from the dead on the third day. And he'll take a little change. Why? To tell the thing out there that the, is that His disciples come and stole Him away. Well look here fella, don't you see that that Sun is risen in the sky out there? That's too hot. Far too hot for them to handle or come and steal away. So then they're.., both of 'em are hooked together, if you can't steal one, you can't steal the other. How about that?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now of course your Pastor told you all about that.
Student Body: (LAUGHS) No Way!
Dr. Kinley: (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) He seen the sun rise too, but he didn't know a thing about it. He don't know nothing about what it's all about. Now if His disciples come and stole Him, they said there in the 27th chapter, I believe it was. Read.
Dr. Harris: 28th chapter.
Dr. Kinley: 28th chapter.
Dr. Harris: Starting at the 12th verse.
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Dr. Kinley: Starting at the 12th verse.
Dr. Harris: And when they were assembled with the elders and had taken counsel they gave large money unto the solders, saying say ye His disciples came by night and stole him away while we slept.
Dr. Kinley: Um-hum.
Dr. Harris: And if this come to the governors ears
Dr. Kinley: And if this comes to the governors ears
Dr. Harris: We will persuade him and secure you.
Dr. Kinley: See that. See that needling thing in there. We'll go persuade him for say your security or for your protection. And then what happens?
Dr. Harris: So they took the money
Dr. Kinley: So they took the money. That's what they been doing all along, taking your money. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) They ain't told you nothing about, no ain't told you nothing about that. Don't know a damn thing about it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: So they took the money and did as they were told.
Dr. Kinley: And they did as they told. Now you down here to the college and the seminary, and then you come back and do as you were told. And they don't know down in the college what's going on, and neither do you. And then here you are just doing what you were told, how to raise money. First one thing and then the other, doing as you're told. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: And this thing is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
Dr. Kinley: Now see. Now this thing is commonly reported among the Jews til this day. Now if you would ask the Pope of Rome, Jehovah's Witnesses, or the Baptists or the Methodists how they would prove the resurrection of Yahshua the Messiah. You know what they would do? What they would do, they'd run in here with these verses. Said, 'the Bible says so.' That ain't gonna get it. That ain't gonna get it. So they ____, 'I don't believe the Bible.' Now read on there. And that thing was reported and is commonly believed among the Jews until that day. Is that what it said there? Alright, so read it.
Dr. Harris: So they took the money and did as they were taught
Dr. Kinley: And did as they were taught.
Dr. Harris: And this thing is commonly reported among the Jews until this day
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Dr. Kinley: Now until that day that that was written. Now they been standing out there and clear on up until this day, standing out there looking at the sun rise and the sun set. And didn't know a thing about why it did that. That's my present. How about that? You see that? How'm I doing? Am I doing alright. Now that's bringing the thing up to date. Now that.., the thing has to be brought up to date for your protection.
You got to know how this thing works. Show me. Listen here, I believe it's the tenth chapter of Romans and about the 15th verse. It says something like this. Faith comes by hearing, and that by the Word of Elohim. Now if you never heard that before and you've been preached to all your life, you don't know why the sun rose and set. Now when He tarried on earth forty days after His resurrection. You You don't know, they don't know nothing about why He tarried on earth for forty days before He ascended. Then somebody said, 'Well He just tarried on earth forty days and forty night. Your Bible says it.' And we had a debate with the Church of Christ down there. And they said that, I said that the Holiness tarried on earth forty days and He ascended into heaven and the Holy Spirit was poured out ten days after. And they said that was wrong. And Reverend Hogan come back and said, 'I beg your pardon, you was right about that.' See they don't know a thing, they ain't got no idea about nothing.
Now listen here folks. Every little jot and every little tittle, we know what it's all about. When ever Yahweh puts one of them things on you, they all can't touch 'em. And he'll bring out some new things to you that you knew nothing what so ever about it. So now Yahweh's, just proving the Resurrection of Yahshua the Messiah.
Now let me tell you this. Now listen close. Now when the apostles went around in the synagogues and preached the resurrection of the dead, did you know that's one of the places they had the most of their problems. And not only that, did you know that we had a look at the house Shonefeld wrote saying this; that the Messiah was doped as He hung out there on the cross. And that He was so doped or drugged heavy and then after that dope wore off then He come out of the tomb. And look, he had the nerve to say that he isn't in heaven, like a lotta people think He is. And He was running around on the earth there, and got to be a ripe old age. Now you see how that Yahweh's made him, calling Him a liar everyday?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Do you see that? The sun rose, the Son rose out of the tomb in the day, rose from the dead. He ascended from the Mount of Olives. And those two men stood by. Why standed the two men by? It's because of the two cherubims of glory here. And He said He would dwell between the wings of the cherubim. So then now here He is, He's got to come out here in the mount, the mountain in the high place. Here in the Most Holy Place is as a eye in the most elevated state. So now here He comes out here and He ascends from the Mount of Olives. Raised up His head. Now the Mount of Olives is taller than Jerusalem. I stood on it myself. I stood... Were you, were you there with me, Doctor Harris? Doctor
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Harris and Doctor Mitchell and Wilbur Traynham. We took two pictures of it. They stood there and I raised up my hands. And they took pictures of it over Jerusalem. Now the Mount of Olives is up there taller than Mount Moriah.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: So these two, their feet, they stood on the Mount of Olives. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I tell you folks. Now have you gotten anything at all.
Student Body: Oh yeah.
Dr. Kinley: Do you see that? You see that everyday. Yahweh called these folks a liar. And did you notice that the Jews, they believe until the day that Matthew, which is about 20 years later, wrote that epistle. They said that was written that His disciples come and stole Him away; which means that they didn't understand. Why Yahweh had put them things out there in the sky. And the sun rise. And then it ascended, that's the reason, went on up to it's zenith, and then after that, I wouldn't miss this for nothing, He ascended on into Heaven and sit down at the right hand of the Father. Whence we look for Him again. Is that what the Book said?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Ascended on in there and sit down at the right hand of the Father. And now you didn't understand that, you didn't understand the sun rise, sun at zenith, and sun down, and here it's out there every day. Do you see what it means? This same day. That's what this means folks. And now, one these days, one of these days, there's gonna be a some changes made, and you're gonna have to come face to face with the thing just like I just now told you. And you're gonna be surprised how stupid your preacher was and how little you knew about it. He don't know the why's of the this that and the other. And all of 'em are guilty, they're all guilty.
Now I realize that, and then I'm through trying to teach. I realize it looks bad for me to stand up and say that I'm the man that Yahweh sent in the world in the close of this age to tell you people the truth. I, I realize it. I know it looks bad, and I want you to realize something else. Do you realize that I said, and the tenth chapter of Romans says so. Maybe you better look at it, and let's show it that those adopted and those covenants were given to the Jews. Now people look at me, say, 'well you're a Gentile, you're not a Jew. So then how is it that you're gonna have a vision or revelation. You said all the visions and the revelations were given to the Jews back there.' I did say that too. Yes sir. The Book says so. How about that? Well it said, somebody said, 'well that knocked you out.' No. No. Here's where the generations cease at. There ain't no more flesh after that at, I thought I told that flesh and blood wouldn't inherit the kingdom. You forgot that. We ain't walking after the flesh no more. We don't know no man after the flesh. We don't even know Yahshua the Messiah after the flesh to say nothing about you. How about that? So then Yahweh is justified in giving me, you say a Gentile. Now how about that? (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) On
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this side of the cross. Yes indeed. It's wonderful ain't it?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Then not only that.
(PAUSE IN TAPE)
Dr. Kinley: Then what are we? Alright read. Read what we are first.
Dr. Harris: First John fourth chapter.
Dr. Kinley: First John fourth chapter. Read what we are. Now look folks, your pastor can get out that and read the Bible and he's gonna read the same thing and then talk about you being a ____.
(PAUSE IN TAPE)
Dr. Kinley: A saint is one that's canonized in the Roman Catholic Church. A Christian is the one that believes in Christ and we don't. Third chapter.
Dr. Harris: Behold what matter of love the Father hath bestowed upon us.
Dr. Kinley: What matter of love is this the father has bestowed upon on us.
Dr. Harris: That we should be called the sons of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: That we should called Zionists.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Roman Catholics.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Presbyterians.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Saints.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Christians
Student Body: No.
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Dr. Kinley: How about that? I told you not to go ahead and say that you didn't learn something. See that now? Ain't no saints going no where. Ain't no Christians going no where. Ain't now (no?) flesh and blood going no where. There ain't no ____ in no ____. How about that? Now you see what that really will do that would knock the Black Muslims out, the Klu Klux Klan. And say listen for information we've got some Black Muslims in this organization, in this school.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: I don't mean they're that now, but they were when they came in.
And look, down home too, I mean down South, in Birmingham we have some Klu Klux Klan in the class. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) How about that? Wouldn't that stagger your imagination? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Yes indeed. The Klu Klux Klan is sitting up there preaching the gospel. Why then ____ ____. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Yes indeed. Yahweh reaching over there and getting up a Klu Klux Klan member, reach over here and get a Jew, get a Gentile, reach over here and get a Black Muslim, and reach over there and get a Black Panther. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Just anything. ____ ____ preach the gospel with corn bread sent down from heaven. And they all speak the same thing.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: All perfectly joined together in the same mind and the same ____. The ____ ____. And listen folks, and on top of all that, listen at me, what I'm gonna say now. All of 'em got Yahweh written, not, not the Lord God.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Got Yahweh, Yahshua wrote right up there in his forehead, and in his hand. Every last one, and all called by the same name, both families in.., angels, oh boy. What would it look like when a angel.., picking him up and dunking him in some water down there. Talking like that is stupid. You know that? I'll tell you. No, but all is right in that same family.
And all preach the same thing, all perfectly joined together by the same mind and the same spirit, but we got some of everything in this school. Yes indeed. This gospel will really straighten you out. It'll straighten you up. Yes indeed. And if you obey, listen folks, if you'll obey the gospel, you will be happy, but as long as you're fooling around and rejecting and going on your our (own?) stubborn way, there's no way under the sun for you to be happy and your conscience to be clear. There is such a thing as being saved and there is such a thing as being lost. Now what you have to do: you have.., it says this, husbands.., we're fixing to get in trouble now, husbands love your wives, even as Yahshua the Messiah also, that's the fifth chapter in Ephesians in the 25th, 24th, 22nd verse I think it is, husbands love your wives... Now we're fixing to get in trouble. Said, 'you have done alright up until now. Now you're fixing to make a mess out it.' Husbands love your wives even as Yahshua the Messiah also loved the church, and gave Himself for it; that He might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of the water by the Word. Are you
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looking in your Bibles? I know know what's in there. That He might present it unto Himself a glorious church, all wrinkled up and full of holes.
Student Body: (LAUGH) No.
Dr. Kinley: (LAUGHS) Read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: not having spot, or wrinkle
Dr. Kinley: not having spot, or wrinkle
Dr. Harris: or any such thing
Dr. Kinley: or any such thing
Dr. Harris: but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Dr. Kinley: But that it should be holy and without blemish. Read on.
Dr. Harris: So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies.
Dr. Kinley: So ought to, he didn't say they did, He said they ought to. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And if they don't they ought to, said, love your own wife too. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Don't get that messed up. Don't be loving somebody else's wife. So ought men to love his own wife, just like Yahshua the Messiah loved His own church or His own wife. Read.
Dr. Harris: He the loveth his wife, loveth himself.
Dr. Kinley: Now, he that loveth his wife, loveth himself. Read on Doc.
Dr. Harris: For no man ever yet hated his own flesh.
Dr. Kinley: Now no man ever yet hated his own flesh.
Dr. Harris: but nourisheth and cherisheth it,
Dr. Kinley: but nourisheth and cherisheth it,
Dr. Harris: Even as Yahshua the Assembly.
Dr. Kinley: Even as Yahshua the Assembly.
Dr. Harris: For we are members of his body
Dr. Kinley: For we are members of his body
Dr. Harris: For this cause shall a man leave his father
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Dr. Kinley: For this cause, that's way back over there in Genesis folks, for this cause or for this reason or on the account of this (STUDENT BODY LAUGH) We can use some words up here too. How about that? For this cause.
Dr. Harris: Shall a man leave his father and mother.
Dr. Kinley: Shall a man leave his father and mother.
Dr. Harris: And shall be joined unto his wife.
Dr. Kinley: And shall be joined unto his wife.
Dr. Harris: And they two shall be one flesh.
Dr. Kinley: And they two or twain shall be one flesh.
Dr. Harris: This is a great mystery.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute. Just take it easy doc. Take it easy, take it easy, take it easy, cause this is a little bitty mystery.
Student Body: No
Dr. Kinley: It's a self conceited hallucination. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS)
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: It's a imagination.
Student Body: No
Dr. Kinley: Ain't none of that.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: This is a Great Mystery.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Read on doc.
Dr. Harris: But I speak concerning the Messiah and the
Dr. Kinley: But I'm talking about the Messiah and the Assembly or the Church. That's a Great mystery. Now husbands you ought to love your wives. And it says right there up above. Wives, see that you reverence your husband. You're not exempt from this thing. Oh I tell you. Now I, I'm through teaching.
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Now, are there any questions? (THERE IS SILENCE) Now look folks. If your pastor don't teach like this and bring things out like this, why then you better come on back down here. 'I'd like to.' He's had all this time to bring these things out and he just brought out ____ ____. It's my advice to you, you come on back down here. Now there is one more reason why I could do. And I'll tell what it is too. How m..., what time is it? Seven minutes to. Well then alright take this then. Isaiah 28:19, 28:9 and 10, probably 11. Now I'm gonna try and correlate it, since nobody ain't got no questions. Has anybody got any ...
TAPE 2, SIDE 1:
Dr. Kinley: Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: Whom shall he teach knowledge.
Dr. Kinley: Now look folks, now this is where your pastor's involved. Now whom shall he teach knowledge. Now we've heard all about knowledge and wisdom shall be the stability of the time. Now we wanna know now who is Yahweh gonna teach knowledge, who's He gonna teach some things, who's He gonna do that to? Alright.
Dr. Harris: And whom shall he make to understand doctrine.
Dr. Kinley: Now who shall he make to understand doctrine. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: Them that are weaned from the milk.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen here, you have to go here to the law and the prophets. Now they were given as a schoolmaster to bring us to the Messiah. That's what the law and the prophets does. Now for you to understand and to have profound knowledge of what all these types and shadows were pointing to, clearly, then you have to have some knowledge of what the meaning of it. Remember how we talked about the sun going down, and very early in the morning, here's a picture, very early in the morning as the, as you see the sun rising and you see the son here rising. They went down together, they went down together there, so they're going, they're coming up together here. And then we talked about it reaching its zenith in the sky, so we showed Him here ascending on a cloud. Then the sun sets, sits down at the right hand of the Father. Now it says whom shall He teach knowledge. And what else?
Dr. Harris: And whom shall He make to understand doctrine.
Dr. Kinley: Now who's He gonna make to understand doctrine? Now look folks, you just might as well, just might as well admit it. You just might as well admit it now. If you don't ____, pay for it now, why you can just go ahead and ____ for yourself. Your pastor has never been able to put this thing together like this. Read on Doc.
Dr. Harris: Them that are weaned from the milk.
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Dr. Kinley: Them that are weaned from the milk.
Dr. Harris: And drawn from the breast
Dr. Kinley: And drawn from the breast.
Dr. Harris: For precept must be upon precept
Dr. Kinley: For precept must be upon precept.
Dr. Harris: Precept upon precept.
Dr. Kinley: Precept upon precept.
Dr. Harris: Line upon line
Dr. Kinley: Line upon, listen you got to have the blood line. The water line. The spirit line. And then you got to come on back in here before it rained 40 days and 40 nights and in the wilderness 40 years. Tabernacle stood out there 40 years. Yahshua the Messiah was in the Garden Gethsemane one hour which is equivalent to about the 41 years which was the same time that Yahshua's.., that Adam was in the Garden of Gethsemane. Then you come on down here and He's resurrected from the dead and how long did He stay here? 40 days, 40 nights. What's He doing? He's fulfilling all of this. Now what your pastor and them out there teaching is that He was instituting. So then he hadn't taught him any knowledge, he don't know nothing.
Student Body: Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: He says He's instituting, instituting Christian water baptism, instituting Lord's Suppers, instituting foot washing and so forth and so on. Is that right? I wanna know whether that's right or not?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's what they're doing down there in the church. Now whom shall He teach knowledge. Them that's weaned, in his understanding. Then line must be upon line. The blood line.
Then you must come down here beside this pattern. Now that makes me say this, just to show you. Now we have there a convention, 75: the Learning Tree. Now I just had to come right, right straight on out and tell 'em, said, 'now look, we ain't, as much as we've been teaching about this pattern. That's covers everything. Teach the pattern.' What is the pattern? The pattern is Elohim Himself. And then you go to the animate and inanimate things. But get the pattern. We don't want nothing about no tree. Learning tree. When you think of a learning tree, this man right here learned something about a tree. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Is that right?
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Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now we're gonna have this thing our way and that's all there is to it. And we're gonna have.., we're gonna go by this Pattern, and we know what the Pattern is; it's Elohim, or Yahweh, Elohim (Yahweh Elohim?) Himself. That's what we're gonna go by. And then, listen here, everything in the universe, it doesn't make any difference what it is, it points to that. Now don't you try to be smart. And run on up ahead and hatch up something. You following me on this? Hey look buster, let me tell you something, maybe you don't know. I'm as smart and wise as they make 'em.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now I make that boast in Yahweh. Now as a man, I'm just like you are. Ain't nobody can teach me nothing. So you just might as well quit trying, trying to surprise me. I can't even tell my own self nothing, well I did tell myself a whole lotta things, then I had to take 'em back, they were wrong. I had to confess that they was wrong too.
Now I didn't mean this to say that Henry Clifford Kinley.., I don't mean that. I don't mean it that way, that I'm smart. But I, what I do really mean is this: Yahweh does have a purpose for everything. He had a purpose for it raining 40 days and 40 nights, He has a purpose for him staying out there in the wilderness 40 years. Had a purpose for the blood, the water, the spirit and 40. The blood, the water, the spirit and then the 40. Blood, water, spirit, 40. It's the blood, water, don't block it. But these folks haven't learned a thing about it. Why would you waste your time, fooling around out there. Why would you wanna waste your time for? Well he won't accept it. I don't think anybody there is justified in paying to go to the Lake or go to Hell. But no, some of you are too cowardly to go up and say, 'look reverend I'm through with you.' What do you mean you're through with me? 'I mean I'm putting you down.' 'What are you putting me down?' 'Cause you don't know nothing.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) So the blind lead the blind, we'll all fall in the ditch together. You don't, you don't see what.., you don't know nothing. What did Yahweh make a man like He made for? 'I don't know.' (BELL RINGS) When did God create the heavens and the earth? 'in the beginning.' He don't know nothing. He don't know a thing. So you just might as well come on down here and learn something. Ain't that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And then you could be happy.
Another thing you ought to do, the thing that Yahweh teaches you that is right, by all means you ought to be a partaker of it and put it within your life. And then you can be happy and you will not be happy until you do do it. And if you continue on in your stubbornness and in your rebellion you will certainly will go to the Lake. Now that's the way it is, folks. Thank you for your patience.
(STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS)
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
audio cassette recording received from David Rosen and Irene Young
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 75.0214
Transcribed by: Carla Taylor, Kevin Buckles, and Nicole Buckles
first proofreading: Carla Taylor and Linda Joyner
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fourth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded, or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley, pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you se(see?) what I mean, isn't that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable.
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
SIDE 1
Moderator: ... the founder of our school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: I don't intend to stay up here long, but I do wanna make some statements here that possibly will help somebody. Now we've tried religiously for a couple of weeks to make you aware of the fact, and we've said it repeatedly and over and over and over and over, we have even brought books down, read it to you out of the books that there are many of 'em, many people think that a knowledge of Yahweh and His purpose and plan was handed down from one to the other. That is not so. And they say too that His name was known way back there. That is not so. And it has been said to me that it was also in the scriptures that somebody else knows, before it was revealed to Moses, the title Elohim. And I wanna tell you flat footedly that is not so. Said it was in the scriptures before it was revealed to Moses, ____ that somebody knows. Now the reason why I'm bringing this up is to make you aware of the fact that Yahweh chose a man in the beginning of His purpose. And that man is Moses. And I stood here flat footed and told you. Now if you say because you read back in Genesis somewhere the name Yahweh and Elohim, if you read that back there, which that is, that is the way it is, it's in there like that. Now from that, if the assumption is drawn that it was in the scriptures before Moses. I beg your pardon, Moses wrote the scriptures.
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: He's the man that wrote it, so it can't be in there before he wrote it. Now Doctor Mixon set right here the other night and read that out of the book, that those people, aren't the.., what's the name of the book?
Student Body: Scofield Bible.
Dr. Kinley: Scofield Bible, supposed to be a teacher's Bible. No, that's not the way that it is. Now listen folks, Enoch, the seventh from Adam, preached and prophesied. Noah prophesied and told the people, but he didn't know His name. And he didn't, he didn't say anything about Yahweh Elohim. Now look here. Get Exodus 6:3. Now I want you to see what you're doing when you say a thing like that. Not Exodus 6:3. The third chapter of Exodus. No, I'll take 6:3 first, cause I believe it's a bit clearer there.
Dr. Harris: And I appeared unto Abraham
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, now this is Yahweh talking, not Moses. He said, now I, now listen, remember now this is Yahweh talking, not Moses, not Enoch, not anyone else but just Yahweh Himself. Clear. And when He appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and to Adam, created Adam and ever.., He was Yahweh, that was His name then, but they didn't know that. I'm just making myself, I wanna make myself clear as I go. They didn't know nothing about it. And He said I appeared unto Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Now Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was after the flood. Now that means this: that these people back here, they didn't know anything about it. Now it was Yahweh Himself that is telling.., now look here, who you gonna believe? Don't you have sense enough to see that if it's Yahweh Himself saying something, whom you say is Yahweh, whom you say you believe in. And Yahweh said they did not know Him by His name. Then for you to go scratching around in the Book trying to find out something in the scriptures, to refute that and say that he did know, then you.., what you're doing, you're disputing Yahweh. And you don't believe what's in the Book. You absolutely misunderstand, you just don't know what it's all about. Did I make that clear?
Now listen, He was Yahweh Elohim when He created the heavens and the earth, that was Him. When He created the angelic host, that was Him, and His name was Yahweh, and Elohim was His title at that time, but I'm telling you they didn't know it. How about that? What you try to do is get some understanding about things. Alright. Now we've got that clear, haven't we?
Now I wanna speak about these ensigns again, one more time. And do you remember that Yahshua the Messiah told John the Baptist that He come to fulfill. And John permitted Him to be baptized in the river; in other words, John baptized Him. Then He went straightway up out of there. Is that what the Book says? Now listen, I won't have time to do a whole lotta reading now, so I'm just gonna skip a lotta reading and just try to tell you a story straight so you can understand. How about that? And when I think it's necessary for you to read, I'll point it out in the scriptures. How about that?
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Now my point is, my thought is this: John went straightway, Yahshua went straightway into the wilderness. And after He.., well, let's put it this way first. When John baptized Him in the River Jordan, now a lotta time we leave this out, you just shouldn't do that, a cloud overshadowed Him. Now if it was a cloud back here, put.., don't you see it's up here on this chart? These things have got to correlate. And a voice come from that cloud, said, this is My beloved Son. That voice got to.., something has to be said there in order for it to be fulfilled. Now that's the thing that I try my best to, to drill home to you because if you miss that, then you cannot actually discern the ever presence of Yahweh. You just think that thing just happening, this way and that way and the other way, you don't know nothing about the purpose. Don't realize a thing about it.
Now John went straightway in the wilderness, and He entered into His ministry. Is that almost right? Now when the children of Israel come through here, they went in the wilderness. Now they have got this material out of Egypt down here. They spoiled the Egyptians and got the gold and the silver and the what not that you read over there in the 25th chapter of Exodus about. And Yahweh told Moses to tell them when he was up there in the mountain to take of this substance and build Him a tabernacle or build Him a place. Is that almost right? Now I wanna show you something, something you oughta know by this time. Now then He went along, entered into His ministry, He called His disciples. And then after He called His disciples, He begin to perform some miracles. Did you remember about Cana of Galilee and so forth and so on. And His fame spread out every which a way. Now I'm talking about Him entering into His ministry.
Now that stuff that they took to make that tabernacle out of was symbolical of His body. Now then, here's what I wanted to show you. At that time when Moses crossed over here, now His tent was on the backside of the mountain, Mount Sinai. I'm talking about Joshua so you'll know, so you can find Him in the Book and so you'll know what I'm talking about, so you'll understand, cause His name is Yah.., Yahoshua. Now His tent was on the backside of the mountain back here. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: He was not dwelling in the tents with them.
Student Body: Alright. Right.
Dr. Kinley: And anytime Moses wanted to communicate with Him or it was necessary for him communicating, he'd come over here. Now a lotta people ain't paid no attention to that. So now since He's dwelling back here on the backside of the mountain, when He revealed it to Moses, the tabernacle up here in the mountain, He told Him to take of this material and build Him a tabernacle. For what purpose? That He may, I don't want you to forget that, I want you to definitely understand that, and I want you to know that He was with them out there in the wilderness every step of the way. From Egypt on to Canaan's or Promised
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Land, He was with them. I want you to know that. I want you to be conscious of it. Now He told them to take vessels, uh the substance and build Him this tabernacle that He might dwell, that He might dwell. I said dwell. You can just read a thing, and just keep right on going and pay no attention and misunderstand the whole thing and miss the whole show. Now if He had been dwelling among them here, then He wouldn't have been over here.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now when you come to the tent of the tabernacle, this was a figure of His body. Now Yahweh was dwelling in Him when He was baptized in the River Jordan and went on up out of that water and straightway into the wilderness. And now they asked Him... John 1:30, well just take 35. Now I'm trying, I'm trying to show you something. I'm talking about a fulfillment, and I'm talking about a dwelling place. Okay. Read.
Edward Mixon: John 1:38.
Dr. Kinley: John 1:38.
Edward Mixon: Then Yahshua turned
Dr. Kinley: Now wait minute, go back over and get, get another verse.
Edward Mixon: 35. Again the next day after John stood and two of his disciples, and looking upon Yahshua
Dr. Kinley: And looking upon Yahshua
Edward Mixon: As He walked
Dr. Kinley: As He walked
Edward Mixon: He said, Behold the Lamb of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: He said, Behold the Lamb of Yahweh
Edward Mixon: And the two disciples heard him speak
Dr. Kinley: And the two disciples heard him speak
Edward Mixon: And they
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Two disciples heard Him speak. Come here Freddy. The board. Get my ensigns. Turn back around yourself, put 'em back. Alright. I wanna know what each one of them things stand for. Write the names down on the side of the board other there. Just write what it is, a lamb or a ox or a cow or a mule or what ever it is. Now put one, two, three, four down. Now where is it over here around the tabernacle. Now there you have it. Now, now, now tell me what you got Freddy.
Fred Allen, Jr.: You get the ensigns around about the tabernacle. And the west.., to the east we have the lion with an L. In the north you have the E for an eagle. And the west you have the ox. And on the south side you have a man.
Dr. Kinley: Man.
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Fred Allen, Jr.: Now when you write these out correctly. Take the first letter of each one of the ensigns: E, L for lion, O for ox, and the man, that's HIM. ELOHIM.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, you have that name in your forehead, and right in that same body you have the title.
Student Body: Alright,
Dr. Kinley: And down in the abdominal you have another name. That's Him manifested in the flesh. Now this body that you have on you, is a tabernacle or it is a temple. Now maybe you better read that so somebody may not be, may not know that. First Corinthians 6:19 and 20. Freddy you can have a chair if you want to. We might need you again. I'm rehearsing again.
Now look folks, on this chart, we can't, now we just can't draw all these pictures out on these charts. We'd like to, but we just can't do it. Now then, there was three tribes that was on this side, three tribes in front of 'em, three tribes on the side, and three tribes in the back. And each one of those tribes had a ensign or a banner. And on their banners was one of these figures: an eagle, a lion, ox, and a man; as it is here, around this tabernacle.
Now He told Moses to build this tabernacle that He might dwell among then (them?), which means that He has to move, from this out or.., out of this tent over here, into this one over here; which means that your body is the temple, and that's a move into you. I don't care what Jehovah Witness said about it, if He said it's got to be, it's got that. Now what you are talking about here, Him building the tabernacle and Him dwelling there. Now when Moses and them come through here after being baptized in the cloud and in the sea, and get out here. And then he's called up here in the mountain and sees this vision and so forth and so on. I have time to cut it up short. But I want to get to the fundamentals of what I'm talking about, the basics. Now then all that's got to be fulfilled. So then He'd have to go to John then ____; in other words in order to fulfill water baptism He's got to go to John to be baptized, and then the voice has got to come from the cloud and He said, this is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. Is that almost right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That voice come from the cloud. Now we got a, we got a voice coming from this cloud up here, too. And now here He is, He's baptized, fulfilling now. So now you got to have the tabernacle right back out there in the wilderness with John I'm talking about. Oh boy. How about that? Do you see what I mean? Are you kinda half way beginning to understand what I'm talking about? Okay. Then there He is, He's walking out there. Now go back and read what you just read.
Edward Mixon: John 1:35.
Dr. Kinley: John 1:35.
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Edward Mixon: And the next day.
Dr. Kinley: And the next day
Edward Mixon: After John stood
Dr. Kinley: And after John, the next day after that, John stood.
Edward Mixon: And two of his disciples
Dr. Kinley: And two of John's disciples
Edward Mixon: And looking upon Yahshua
Dr. Kinley: And looking upon Yahshua
Edward Mixon: As He walked
Dr. Kinley: As He walked
Edward Mixon: He saith
Dr. Kinley: He saith
Edward Mixon: Behold the Lamb of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Behold the Lamb of Yahweh
Edward Mixon: And the two disciples heard Him speak
Dr. Kinley: And the two disciples heard Him speak
Edward Mixon: And they followed Him.
Dr. Kinley: And they followed Him. Right? Then what?
Edward Mixon: Then Yahshua turned.
Dr. Kinley: Then Yahshua turned.
Edward Mixon: And saw them following
Dr. Kinley: And turned and saw them following
Edward Mixon: And said unto them
Dr. Kinley: And said unto them
Edward Mixon: What seeketh ye?
Dr. Kinley: What seeketh ye? What are you looking for? How about that? When you come down here, what was you looking for? Alright, read.
Edward Mixon: They said unto Him
Dr. Kinley: They said unto Him
Edward Mixon: Rabbi
Dr. Kinley: Rabbi
Edward Mixon: Where dwelleth thou?
Dr. Kinley: Where do you dwell? Where do you dwell, Rabbi? Then what did He say?
Edward Mixon: He said unto them
Dr. Kinley: He said unto them
Edward Mixon: Come and see
Dr. Kinley: Come on and see. If you wanna know where I live, come and see, or where I dwell at. Now do you get the connection between being here and dwelling in you? Building the tabernacle so He can dwell in? Did you get that? And this is built so, the tabernacle I'm talking about, so that they might, so that He might dwell among them. Did you get that? Sixth chapter of Revelations. Have to cut it up short. I don't have time to go into all of it. Just start in the first verse.
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Edward Mixon: And I saw with the Lamb
Dr. Kinley: And I saw
Edward Mixon: And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals
Dr. Kinley: He saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals
Edward Mixon: And I heard
Dr. Kinley: That was the first one. And then he heard something
Edward Mixon: As it was the noise of thunder
Dr. Kinley: As it was the noise of thunder
Edward Mixon: One of the four living creatures
Dr. Kinley: There's four. What was the, four, what are the four living creatures, that's one of them beasts.
Edward Mixon: Said
Dr. Kinley: Said
Edward Mixon: Come and see.
Dr. Kinley: How about that? Do you see that now? Now what we're talking about... John is seeing this vision in heaven. He's caught up into heaven. He's seeing these four living creatures that's around the throne. And if they.., we often try our best to tell you this: that whatever is in the invisible, it's just nothing else but a photostatic copy right down in the earth. Now that's what we try our best to tell you. So those four living creatures or those four beasts that was gathered around the throne, one of 'em said, 'come and see.' When the Lamb opened one of the seals, said, 'come and see.' How about that? Now listen, there wasn't nobody able to open that seal, but the Lamb. Said, heaven was searched, earth was searched and there wasn't none there able to... Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Oh boy. Now I could go on down here in the fourth chapter and talk about them, them creatures... I could do that, but I just don't wanna, I just don't wanna take up the time to do that. But I just want, I'm just trying to wise you up to something. Now then here He goes, starting out went to the feast of Cana of Galilee. And there He was out there with His mother and them to the marriage feast too. And so they drank up all of the wine that they had. So then they went to Him or His mother and 'em and to Him and said to Him about everything was.., they didn't have no more. So then they got after Him. And His mother said, now whatever He says to you, you do that. I wish we could learn that. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) It would be real nice if we could learn that, wouldn't it? Whatsoever He saith unto you. So He thought about the, the crocks and fill 'em with water, and turned the water into wine. And they said that the, that last that that He made was better than that that they had at the first. The second coming is always better than the first. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) Ain't that right? It sure is. Alright. Now then, just to show you now, so I'm giving you something to think about; just giving you something to think about, so that you can see that everything He said and every gesture made, often times you don't recognize it;
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you're just reading, you don't recognize it until somebody tells you something about it. Is that right?
Student Body: Right?
Dr. Kinley: Then, then you never heard it before. Well when Reverend was busting down through here and there, and talking about moaning and groaning and all, he didn't he ain't heard a thing, don't know nothing about what he's talking about. Now Yahweh was in that tabernacle in the wilderness, out there and with the Children of Israel. He was in that tent. They brought that tent up from down here, that tent that they had on the back side of the mount. And now what I'm getting after is these four beasts, those, those living creatures. And I was duplicating it when He come up out of here, and Yahweh was dwelling within Him.
And so also.., now don't mess this one up, don't mess this one up. They had a mix up up there, so far as the Pharisees and the Scribes was concerned. They went to John, and questioned John. Now, I want you to get this one straight now. John was born with the Holy Spirit right from his mother's womb. Yahshua the Messiah was born afterwards. He was the personification of the Holy Spirit. So now they got John and Yahshua mixed up; in other words, don't mix this tent up, (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) don't mix this one up with this one. Do you follow now? Don't mix 'em up. They're both there, Moses was there, too, but just don't mix 'em up. Even though John did have the Holy Spirit, and was born with it. He was preferred before. And that tabernacle that He had on there, they didn't build it. Oh there's a lotta things I'd like to tell you about that, just an awful lotta things. I just don't have time. And I don't wanna get all stretched out and tell you something and you don't understand half of what I'm talking about because I'm trying to cover a lotta ground. I don't like to do that, but often times we do do that, those things. But now, do you see what, did you understand what I just said?
Now the sixth chapter of Exodus and the third verse. Now we heard, we heard what Yahweh said to Moses. He said, Yahweh said this. Now I want you to see what I'm talking about. Yahweh said, I am the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Now what I'm telling you now, is this: Yahweh said that. Moses got acquainted with Yahweh Elohim, and it was Yahweh Elohim that told Moses what you're fixing to read here in the sixth chapter and the third verse. Read.
Edward Mixon: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob as El Shaddai
Dr. Kinley: As El Shaddai
Edward Mixon: But by My name Yahweh, was I not known to them.
Dr. Kinley: But by My name Yahweh, I was not known. Now, El Shaddai. El Shaddai. And He says to Moses, now He's the one that's telling Moses about it. He didn't tell him, He didn't tell Moses that they knew Him by the name Elohim or the title Elohim. He didn't say that. He never said that. He said I.., they didn't
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know, He appeared as... El Shaddai too is a title, Elohim is a title. And now listen here, that's not the only title, Elohim and El Shaddai. Those are not the only titles that He has. He has another one, Yahweh our Righteousness, that is a title too. He has many titles. He's the Lily of the Valley, the Rose of Sharon, the Bright and Morning star. (PAUSE IN TAPE) He's everything there is and all of it's a type and a shadow, including you.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Now everybody's in this, but that's Him. Now we're the offsprings of Him. Now if we're the offsprings and from Him, then we've got to look like Him, in shape and form. Now then that's why you have to be so awful careful is because... Now the devil is one of the greatest extemporaneous orators you ever heard in your life. That boy's a master of language. And his genufluctuations and his gestures, his use of words and language. Yahweh made him like that. That means this: that you got to know Yahweh when see Him and to know the difference between Him and the devil. That's what I'm trying to talk about. Now that's what I'm trying to talk about. Do you understand? Alright. They knew Him by El Shaddai. Read. Which means Almighty Provider.
Edward Mixon: Right. And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac and unto Jacob as El Shaddai, but by My name Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: But by My name Yahweh
Edward Mixon: Was I not known to them.
Dr. Kinley: Now was not known to them. Now listen folks, now listen. Pay attention this trip. Now this is Yahweh talking to Moses. Now when Moses begins to write the Genesis, then Moses uses the name Elohim, or the name Yahweh and the title Elohim, cause Moses is the only man that wrote the scriptures, wasn't anybody back there that wrote any scriptures but Moses.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Now is there any question about that? I wanna know if there's anybody in here don't understand what I'm talking about, please hold up your hand.
Student: I am kinda confused.
Dr. Kinley: About what?
Student: Well, I understand who you are.
Dr. Kinley: No, I ain't talk.., what we wanna know is what do you understand about what we're talking about?
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Student: If you read that again, then I can tell you.
Dr. Kinley: Go ahead, read.
Edward Mixon: Exodus 6:3.
Dr. Kinley: Yes.
Edward Mixon: And I appeared unto Abraham
Dr. Kinley: And I appeared unto Abraham.
Edward Mixon: Unto Isaac.
Dr. Kinley: Now who is this talking?
Edward Mixon: Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Alright, read.
Edward Mixon: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac and unto Jacob as El Shaddai, but by My name Yahweh was I not known to them.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now what?
Student: I understand it.
Dr. Kinley: You do? Okay. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) We like that. Now when Moses begin to write the Genesis, now listen folks, Moses' name is nowhere in the Genesis. And the only way that you can possibly have any concrete evidence, the fact that Moses did write the Genesis is because he was the only one that knew His name there. How about that? And he was the only one that actually knew the title El Shaddai. They knew Him as the Almighty Provider. Now listen. Now listen. I could go over here in Jude and show you that.
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied; and not only him, Noah prophesied. And listen, I want you to know this, I want you to know it. All of them even before Moses, prophesied with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven. Prophesied of the things that Jude is talking about, that Moses spake of over here in the scriptures. Now here's what I'm trying to say to you. Now this is what I'm trying to talk about. You wouldn't have known anything whatsoever about Enoch prophesying back there, if Moses hadn't told you about it. You wouldn't have known nothing about it. What I mean is, he wrote the scriptures. Jude wouldn't have known a thing about it. And then he went on so far, Jude did, talking about Enoch the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these things, saying. Read.
Edward Mixon: Jude 1:14.
Dr. Kinley: In Jude 1:14.
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Edward Mixon: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these things saying
Dr. Kinley: Saying
Edward Mixon: Behold Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Behold Yahweh
Edward Mixon: Cometh with ten thousand of His sons
Dr. Kinley: Now he's talking about coming down here. Enoch prophesied of this when he come from Mount Seir. Enoch was prophesying. Now Moses said, now this is what Moses said. Moses said Enoch, the seventh from Adam prophesied, saying what?
Edward Mixon: Behold Yahweh cometh
Dr. Kinley: Behold, now that's Moses saying that, not Enoch.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That wasn't Enoch that said Yahweh cause Enoch didn't know a thing about it. Well why didn't he know anything about it? Because Moses was the first man He revealed it to.
Student Body: Okay. I understand.
Dr. Kinley: And that, and look now the prophecy's just got to be right. And he's prophesying by the spirit, Holy Spirit I'm talking about. And he knew all about ... and it was Yahweh in Enoch, but he didn't, Enoch, didn't know His name. How about that? And yet Yahweh was right in him, but he hadn't revealed His name. Do you understand? Oh, I'm telling you.
Now, what we have read over here in the sixth chapter of, what we have read over in the sixth chapter of Genesis, I mean of Revelations. Now John is caught up in the spirit too. Now listen now at what I'm saying. John's caught on up in the spirit, on up in the Heaven itself. Now he sees this, these creatures around, gathered around the throne. He's seeing it in heaven. Now what I'm trying to do is to get you to see that what was in heaven that Moses is seeing and everything; the ensigns and everything that surrounded the tabernacle, and all of this equipment and everything, that was first in heaven. And Moses knew nothing about it until Yahweh revealed it to him. Didn't anybody know anything about it.
Now look, now there was a book that Yahweh had written, not the man, that Yahweh had written. And it was sealed with seven seals. That's the reason why the preachers don't know nothing about it. And it, it was the Lamb. And John when he seen that.., heaven being searched and he's looking at Michael and Gabriel and all the rest of the angels, the might angels, I should say. And there wasn't any of 'em found in heaven worthy to open the book and to loose the
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seals, And John said he wept much because nobody was found worthy to open the book and to loose the seals. And he looked again, and he saw what?
Student Body: The Lamb.
Dr. Kinley: The Lamb upon the throne, said the Lamb on the throne. And He had prevailed to open the book and to loose the seals. Now it's sealed, the Book is sealed with seven seals. And the Lamb only was able to open the book and to loose the seals. And when He had opened one of the first seals, he heard one of those beasts that was around that throne say,'Come and see.' Now which one was that? How about that? I just asked you a question. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Alright try reading it. Go right back to the first chapter of John. You already done read it. Now have you done let it slip that quick? I just want you to see now, I just want you to see how you could answer a whole lotta these questions if you understood. You read it already tonight.
Student: John 1:35
Edward Mixon: John 1:35.
Dr. Kinley: Um Hm.
Edward Mixon: John 1:35. Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; and looking upon Yahshua as He walked, he said, Behold the Lamb of Yahweh. And the two disciples heard him speak. And they followed Yahshua. And Yahshua turned and saw them following and said unto them, what seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, where dwelleth thou?
Dr. Kinley: And what did He say?
Edward Mixon: He said unto them, Come and see.
Dr. Kinley: I just wanna know now. I'm just showing you how you can answer some of your questions if you understood. Now you'd already done read it and it just gone on out the window before you got it read. Oh boy. Ain't it wonderful? Now I want you to look at it and see what's going on here. See the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Wasn't, wasn't that in front of this door at the gate? And wasn't them that dwell there the tribe of Judah?
Student Body: Judah.
Dr. Kinley: And... who... what else?
Student Body: The Lion.
Dr. Kinley: The lion. Now if you wanna see where He dwells at. You'll have to come on through there or you'll never find it. Leviticus 16 and 2. I think it's about time for me to come down.
Student Body: No.
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Dr. Kinley: Alright, Leviticus 16. Now what we're talking about is dwelling. Where dwelleth thou? Jehovah Witness say it don't dwell in no man. Okay go ahead.
Edward Mixon: Leviticus 16:2.
Dr. Kinley: Alright.
Edward Mixon: And Yahweh spake upon Moses.
Dr. Kinley: And Yahweh spake unto Moses
Edward Mixon: After the death of the two sons of Aaron.
Dr. Kinley: After the death of Nadab and Abihu.
Edward Mixon: When they offered before Yahweh and died.
Dr. Kinley: Um Hm.
Edward Mixon: And Yahweh said unto Moses
Dr. Kinley: And Yahweh said unto Moses
Edward Mixon: Speak unto Aaron thy brother
Dr. Kinley: Now you talk to Aaron your brother.
Edward Mixon: That he
Dr. Kinley: What what whoop whoop. Now I have to talk to you, you are all my brothers and sisters. I just have to do it. The devil don't like it, but I have to do it. I have to speak it. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Now how about that? Now if you wanna know where I dwell, you come and see; but now if you're one my brothers, I want you to know that you have to enter in at the straight gate. Alright, read on.
Edward Mixon: And Yahweh said unto Moses, speak unto Aaron thy brother
Dr. Kinley: Speak unto Aaron thy brother
Edward Mixon: That he come not at all times
Dr. Kinley: That he come not at all times
SIDE 2:
Edward Mixon: Into the Holy Place
Dr. Kinley: Into the Holy Place
Edward Mixon: Within the vail, before the mercy seat
Dr. Kinley: Before the mercy seat
Edward Mixon: Which is upon the ark
Dr. Kinley: Which is upon the ark.
Edward Mixon: That he die not
Dr. Kinley: That he die not
Edward Mixon: For I will
Dr. Kinley: For I. Read.
Edward Mixon: For I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat
Dr. Kinley: I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy set. That's where He dwells, in the cloud upon the mercy seat. Now when you get in you being the tabernacle, in the cloud, in your brain, into your.., Holy Spirit being in there. Some people say the mind and the spirit is synonymous. I beg your pardon. The mind, you have a mind to do something, and then you change your mind. The Holy Spirit don't
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change like that. Is that right? He had a purpose to begin with and He ain't gonna change it. How about that? I hope you've gotten something out of that. I wanna leave you with some room here for you to think before you get back the next time if Yahweh permits and for our commentator to say something. That's the dean.
(STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS)
THE MODERATOR INTRODUCES DR. HARRIS.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
audio cassette recording received from Sal Corro
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 74 TC
transcribed by Linda Joyner
first proofreading: Alonza (Alonzo?) Joyner,
Sylvia Maclin, and Marquel Patton
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fourth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded, or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley, pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you se what I mean, isn't that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable.
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: Peace. Now I meant that. If you'll notice when Yahshua the Messiah, that's primarily the way that He greeted His own. Peace be unto you. Now that meant something.
And we already advised the emcee to ask you to be quiet, to be still and don't annoy somebody else sitting beside you. Don't keep up any noise in the back. Now we already realize that it's impossible to see these small pictures drawn on these charts in the back. That's the reason why we have asked that if any of the visitors that come, we want you to come to the front so you can see what is on these charts because it is a divine vision and revelation direct from Yahweh. And it is no two ways about it, it's real, it's genuine, it's true, it's irrefutable and undeniable.
Now, I'm not gonna go through a long preliminary of telling you about the vision and so forth and so on which is illustrated on these charts, but it is incumbent upon this school to tell you the truth about the existence of God and about the erroneous doctrines that are preached and taught in the world. Now that's our problem, that's our job. And I'd like for you to read the same thing in Matthew the 24th chapter, 14th and 15th verses primarily. Read.
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Dr. Harris: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations and then shall the end come.
Dr. Kinley: Now folks, it's just like this. This Gospel of the Kingdom, so said Yahshua the Messiah, not Jesus Christ. Said, this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be, not may be, preached in all the world. What for? For a witness. The end cannot come unless this Gospel is preached. Now when you speak of the end, lotta people don't realize that the world has ended twice before. They hadn't even heard nothing about it. They don't know when it happened. They wasn't taught anything at all about it.
Well, now that gives us another problem. And you'd be surprised, if you'd just set still in your seat. And we want to give you permission to ask questions after you have heard what we have talked about on the subject. Foolish and unlearned questions avoid, so says the apostle. Why so? Because they stir up strife. Now we're not gonna ask no foolish and unlearned questions. We're not gonna take time to talk about those things only just call your attention to it. Now it's a fool question, it wouldn't seem like it, for you to ask somebody, 'what church do you belong to?' Now that's a fool question. It sounds intelligent. Now why is it foolish? Because it ain't but one for you to belong to. That's why it's foolish to ask what one do you belong to when there is but one to belong to in the first place. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, what we have tried our best to do in the last lecture that we gave was to point out Yahweh to you and tell you about His eternal purpose through the dispensations and ages. Now that's what we tried to do. I regret that I'm forced to tell you that the world out there in Christendoom knows absolutely nothing about it. Now that would seem like that's hard to say, too. And then somebody would come along and say this: 'say, do you think that you people down there are the only ones that have the truth? Do you think that?' No, we're not supposed to be thinking, we're supposed to know. And so are you. Now, I want you to read, start up there in Matthew in the 24th chapter and then we'll get down to business. Now don't forget, I want you to understand this right now before you read any further. We just asked you to read Matthew 24:14 and 15. Now what we want you to know now about it, before you start to read, which is already spoken something about it. And that is this: that the world has ended twice before. He did not say what He's saying here in the 24th chapter of Matthew, He did not say that in this world or in this age or in this dispensation. He did not say it, but some of the things that He said referred to this dispensation. Now the boys they asked. Now you pay attention as you read. You pay attention. And we wanna prove to you too that the world has ended twice before. Now the Book said that, the Bible... But we want you to read now in the 24th chapter of Matthew. Now here are some questions that's put point blank to Yahshua the Messiah by His own disciples. Read.
Dr. Harris: And Yahshua went out and departed from the temple.
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Dr. Kinley: And Yahshua went out and departed from the Herodian Temple. Now that's this temple that was builded up here in Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. And as they went out and departed from the temple. Then what happen?
Dr. Harris: And His disciples came to Him for to show Him the buildings of the temple.
Dr. Kinley: Now His disciples come to Him for to show Him the buildings of the temple. Now listen here. Now these are His own disciples that have been following Him around for a long time. They did not know that that temple was a figure of His body. Now they're gonna show Him something about it, how magnificent and how glorious it was. And what did He say?
Dr. Harris: And Yahshua said unto them, see ye not all these things?
Dr. Kinley: Now He said, See ye not all of these things? Now He's fixing to show them something now. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Verily I say unto you.
Dr. Kinley: Now verily I say unto you.
Dr. Harris: There shall not be left here one stone upon another
Dr. Kinley: There shall not be left here one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down. Is that almost what you got there? I don't mean to be r.., I have you to read it and then me run ahead of you, but I know what's in the Book. Now He said there will not be one stone left there on top of another that should not be thrown down of that temple. Now they thought that was a magnificent building and they just thought it would stand erect there for ages or for a long, long time, but Yahshua assured them that it would not stand there. But I'll say this. It stood there until AD 70 and Titus, the Roman emperor, come up from Rome when Rome was ruling the world. It was the last universal dynasty to rule the world. And Titus come up from Rome, and tore that building completely down in AD 70, just razed it to the ground. There wasn't left nothing. Now that temple as I told you was a figure of His body. Now if that be the case, that that temple was a figure of His body, and He came in the world, so He said, to die to be crucified. Then that meant that the building had to come down. You see that now? Now that would be, but they didn't know nothing about it. They didn't understand nothing about it.
And that's not all that you ought to know about that building. I'll tell you what else you ought to know about it. Hold your finger on where you got there and look in Acts 17 and 28, I believe it is, and read there. This is the Apostle Saul in Athens, Greece in Mars Hill talking to the Grecians.
Dr. Harris: Acts 17 and 24.
Dr. Kinley: Acts 17 and 24.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh who made the world
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh Who made the world
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Dr. Harris: And all things therein
Dr. Kinley: And all things therein
Dr. Harris: Seeing that He is ruler of heaven and earth.
Dr. Kinley: Seeing that He is ruler of heaven and earth.
Dr. Harris: He dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
Dr. Kinley: When are you gonna learn that? He just simply does not dwell in temples made by hands. Now if He doesn't dwell in temples made by hands, then you oughta become aware of the fact that Saint Peter's Basilica, Yahweh just simply doesn't dwell there. Second Chronicles 28 and 19, I believe it is.
Reader: First Chronicles.
Dr. Kinley: First Chronicles. Now we're talking about this temple. Now we have.., people have always thought this, that God in Leviticus 16 and 2 dwelled in the tabernacle between the wings of the cheribums. And that was a figure of His body and so also wasn't the temple. One is a figure of the earthly and the other is a figure of His heavenly body. One was built down here in the wilderness and it was carried cross the River Jordan and set out there on Mount Zion until the temple was erected, Solomon's temple. And then it was dismantled and moved into Solomon's temple.
Now listen, I'm talking pretty deep now. Now we just read that He didn't dwell in temples made by hands and He told them over here to build the tabernacle in the 24th chapter, I believe it is, of Exodus, that He might dwell therein. Then, it would seem that, that He dwells in temples made by hands. But now when Solomon erected this temple, He said that that house which he had builded could not contain Him at all and neither could just that little tabernacle setting out there which is a more limited structure than the temple. Now then that would bring up what we've got before us at the present time: if Yahweh don't dwell in temples made by hands, where does He dwell? Now you know what that will do if I just told you the truth about that? It would just wipe out all of the Jehovah's Witnesses, so called, because they say He doesn't dwell in a man. Said, 'the Holy Spirit is not in any man.' Well that had never been preached back there. They've also denied the promise that Yahweh said He would put His spirit within you. Now what I'm trying to show you is this. Now these structure are types and shadows. They're just only figures, figures of heavenly body and also a figure of your physical body.
And now look, Yahweh, now listen close, don't dwell in totality in you. You're too small for that. But it is in Him that all ____ we live and move and have our being. Now, Dr. Harris, I want you to read I Chronicles.
Dr. Harris: I Chronicles 28:19.
Dr. Kinley: I Chronicles 28:19.
Dr. Harris: All this said David.
Dr. Kinley: Now David was the king of Israel. Alright. All this said David.
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Dr. Harris: Yahweh made me understand.
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh made me understand; in other words, He made him to understand how to build that temple. Yahweh made him understand that. Now we wanna find out how He made him understand it and if you can understand that, then you oughta understand something about your relation to Yahweh. Read.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh made me understand in writing by His hand upon me even all the works of this pattern.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? He made him understand, David understand, by writing upon him. Man is made in the image and likeness of Yahweh Elohim. So if he's made in the image and likeness of Him, what He's done was just went over the physical body. And it's a natural, physical body that is a figure of the incorporeal or spiritual embodiment. Do you understand? Now that's, that's the way I.., if you could just understand that, that would just stop so much of the debates and arguments about your church down on the street corner. But now, we understand that now. I think you ought to read the sixth chapter of first Corinthians and the 19th verse. Now we're talking about Israel and the tabernacle.
Reader: What!
Dr. Kinley: What!
Reader: Know ye not
Dr. Kinley: Don't you know, that's the way we would put it in our language in our day. What! It's cause he was surprised that you was that stupid not to understand that. What! Don't you know, that what?
Reader: That your body
Dr. Kinley: That your body
Reader: Is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
Dr. Kinley: is the temple. Your body is the temple, not the thing down on the street corner.
(BREAK IN TAPE)
Dr. Kinley: 14th chapter of John, to prepare a place for us. And if He.., He said if He'd go away, He'll come again and receive us unto Himself. And where He is, there we shall also be. Now He didn't say that in this world. He said that in the age before. Now what was He in the age before, under the dispensation of the law? He was the Son of Yahweh. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: He said in the 14th chapter of John that the Father dwelt in Him. That's what He ____. Now He said He was going away or going to prepare a place for you. Well, where is the place? Somebody thought what He done, got up here on Mount of Olives, I'm gonna keep the thing in front of you, got out here on the Mount of Olives and ascended on the cloud, and went on into heaven, way up above the sun, moon and stars and He hasn't got back yet. Now that's what they been telling you. That's not so. And they are telling us... Now you pay attention because I'm trying to teach, I'm not trying to preach, of course true teaching is preaching. But now the place that He prepared for us, it wasn't in heaven, up above the sun, moon and stars or some where like that. And then He's gonna come back and get you and escort you to your apartment or your dwelling in the sky. Now it's just not like that. Now that's a lie that we been told all of our lives.
Then where is the place that He prepared for you? When He was walking around in the flesh, now I'm demonstrating now. When He was walking around in the flesh under the dispensation of the law, He was Yahweh incarnated in a physical body. That's who He was. Now when He went away, that's to say took off the flesh. And on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2 and 4, He poured out the Holy Spirit which is within you. Then that means you're what? I'll have you to read it. You ain't gonna set up and tell me this junk, and not to make you no Christian. I can tell you that, because He was not no Christian. If His name was Jesus Christ, He wouldn't be no Christian because Christian means Christ like. What He wasn't Christ like, He was He Himself. Did you understand that, didn't you? It seems kind of prudent saying these things blunt like that, but that's how it is. But now, we wanna, we wanna find out, we wanna find out now, what we're supposed to be. People say Roman Catholic. People say Baptist, and Methodist, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Christians. Read, John, the first epistle of John, third chapter, verse one.
Dr. Harris: Behold, what manner of love.
Dr. Kinley: Now look folks. Now pay attention. Now that's the thing we've tried to get you to do is to pay attention. Behold or beloved. Listen now, what manner of love is this that the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called Christians.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Well read what's in the Book.
Dr. Harris: That we should be called the Sons of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: That we should be called the Sons of Yahweh. Now what did I bring that up for? Now He went away to prepare a place for you. And He was the Son of Yahweh and Yahweh was dwelling in that body. So now when He put His Spirit in you in this dispensation, you are now where He was then. That's the place He prepared for you. In the previous ages they didn't have the Holy Spirit like that. Yes I know all the prophets prophesied with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven but it didn't abide with them forever. When the communication or the message
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was over with, if departed from 'em. When He said in this age He come to abide with you forever, always, even unto the end of the age. We haven't got that learned yet. And to tell you the truth, you just don't believe it.
And then let me tell you this. If He come walking down the street. Paul said, henceforth know we no man no more after the flesh, although we have known Him, Yahshua the Messiah, after the flesh, we won't know Him no more after the flesh. And He come walking down the street, walked up to you in the flesh, you wouldn't know Him. And then they didn't know Him back here, when ____ ____. The Book said if they had known Him, they would not have crucified him. So Him being crucified was evidence that they didn't know Him. If they didn't know Him then and He was right with Him, they wouldn't know Him now. You see the point?
Now look here folks. You all get in your place that He prepared for you. You'd be surprised how much ____ among these so called righteous people, I didn't say Christians.
Beloved, what manner of love is this. That's beloved. Now every pastor say that. The Baptists say it, First epistle of John, chapter one, chapter three, verse one, say, 'beloved, we Baptist are beloved.' Roman Catholics say, 'beloved, what manner of love is this,' they're all reading and repeating out of the same Bible, that the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the Sons of Yahweh. The King James version says that too. Try it and see.
Edward Mixon: First John, third chapter. Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us.
Dr. Kinley: Now He's talking about them that have become a recipient of the Holy Spirit and was in the place where Yahweh had prepared for them. Alright read on.
Edward Mixon: That we should be called the Sons of God.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? It don't say Christians... Does it?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Well, it's bad and it's a very discouraging thing to try to tell people the truth about all these errors the people have made and how you have been so badly deceived all your life. Then just to, just to take common, common sense. And you don't have to a prim.., a college education, don't have to graduate from no university. None of that. Freddy Allen, now it's stupid for me to ask you what your Father's name was.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Right.
Dr. Kinley: If I know your name is Freddy Allen, I also know that you, you've got your father's name, Allen.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: Then if that be the case, then how could it be Lord, God, and Jesus Christ. There's no similarity between none of 'em. Now look folks, a lotta people say, 'listen, my Bible says the Lord, God and Jesus Christ. That's what my Bible says.' Well I've got some news for you. That is erroneously put in there. It does not belong and it was not it the original Bible. Anybody can get an encyclopedia at a book store and it will tell you that Yahweh, Elohim, and Yahshua is the correct name. How about that? Then so far as the Holy Spirit not being in any man, his body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Is that what you read? Now let's see whether it's him. Acts 2:4, 5, 6. This time look it up. Ezekiel 36:24 and 25. Is that, is that right Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: Ezekiel. Is that right in Ezekiel?
Dr. Harris: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Jeremiah. We'll tell you what's in the Book now. Jeremiah 31:31. Now what we're trying to find out whether or not that Yahweh promised to put His Holy Spirit in you. And I could just.., I could tell you some more, that they ain't gonna believe. I could just go on and tell you about Joel if you want me to. Joel 2:28. It's in there. That's what Peter is talking about on the Day of Pentecost. Alright. Now what we're trying to find out now, the Jehovah Witnesses say that the Holy Spirit is not in any man but it's a vital force upon you.
They say that too. The black muslims. They say all ____, the so called the honorable Elijah Muhammad, that all white people was the devil or demons. Now don't start no argument with me cause they beat me up about it. Don't start no stuff with me. Now here the other day since the old man passed, his son, Wallace made this statement, that if the white people would respect them, they would respect the white people. And they are now receiving the white people in their religious faith.
Malcolm X went over seas and he found out that there was a lotta white people that was muslims, they belonged to the muslim faith. And he come back convicted and convinced. Now for your information, I been over there too. So I don't have to make no inquiries about it. Dr. Harris you went along with me.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Dr. Dennis, you went along with me.
Dennis Droulard: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: Now I'm just showing you the erroneous doctrines that are taught which people are.., have those satanic spirits incarnated in 'em standing up for color and all like that. The white folks against the black folks and the black folks against the white folks. I have to say it one more time. There ain't none of you black folks going to heaven. None of you white folks going. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) The Bible says so, not me.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: So now you can forget that and start on. You get what I mean? 15th chapter of first Corinthians says this, now this I say brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. See that now? Flesh and blood just can't do that. But listen, listen one more time, but your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Now we wanna find out whether the Holy Spirit is in, is in anybody. Jehovah Witnesses say that it's not, that it is not, they say it's a vital force upon you. Alright, read. Ezekiel. Let's start back there.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: Then will I sprinkle water upon you, clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean.
Dr. Kinley: Where are you reading? Somebody put down the verse.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: Ezekiel 36 and 25.
Dr. Kinley: Ezekiel 36 and 25. Now who said this?
Dr. Carl F. Gross: Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you.
Dr. Kinley: Who said this?
Dr. Carl F. Gross: Yahweh Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh said that. Says I will sprinkle clean water upon you. Now just a minute Williams, just a minute. You don't have no business with no bib around your neck saying somebody come along and sprinkle clean water upon you. ____ You follow that? Yahweh said He was gonna do that. You couldn't do it now, because the water is polluted. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Contaminated. ____ your natural body. Now that's right. So there's no clean water for you to put on anybody. Now your brain is covered with the purest water that there is. And the mind functions through the brain and it hasn't washed that carnality out of you. What good will somebody with a bib around your neck sprinkling some water on you or somebody punching you down in a puddle of water... That's stupidity, colossal ignorance.
And while I got you here, I'm gonna tell you the same thing again tonight. I guess you're just about tired of hearing it now, and that's this. You can't find no place in your Bible, now I'm talking about from Genesis to Revelations, I'm gonna get this, get this one over to you too. Now you start hunting, if you think you know where it is you tell us about it and we'll read it. Now everybody ____. You show me in your Bible where Yahweh, Elohim, Yahshua, the Father, the Word or Son or the Holy Spirit, Lord, God or Jesus Christ, Jehovah or Adonai, now listen, in the history of the world, anywhere between Genesis and Revelations, anywhere, ever said anything about a Gentile getting baptized in physical water. Read it to me, I
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never read it. It's not in the Bible. If you think it's in there, hold up your hand. Now we got a lot of people in trouble there. I told you this was a school. Now you been reading out there. Bishop Short, you read it out there. He's not only a bishop but an archbishop. Yes, that's another Baptist preacher, a former Baptist preacher. And yes that's another bishop out of the Church of Christ, come up here to lick me, being smart. Been here six years or seven years or somewhere around there.
LaSalle Williams: 13.
Dr. Kinley: Thirteen years and he ain't got me licked yet. (STUDENT BODY LAUGH) Can you find any place in the Bible where I just said.
LaSalle Williams: I used to ____. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: What happened? Can you find any place in there Bishop? Can you find any place in there? Dr. Gross, you're the president of this school and you been baptized about four or five times. How many times have you been baptized? About four times? Did it do anything? Did it wash away any sins from you? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Now look folks, I want you to pay attention now. This is not comical. But it's showing us how stupid we were and how little did we understand about our own Bible. Now, look here, all the Children of Israel come out of Egypt after the passover and they went through the Red Sea and was baptized in the cloud and in the sea. You've read that enough times in the 10th chapter of first Corinthians. Now Freddy,
Fred Allen, Jr.: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: We don't want that fixed. We want you to let that stay like it is. Meaning this: there wasn't anyone come out of there and got through the Red Sea and on the other side there alive but Jews. No Gentiles. Now the Gentiles, they got in the Red Sea and water, they got drownded. That oughta be a lesson to you. Now if that's true, if that's true. 10th chapter of first Corinthians says there...
And incidentally, since we're talking about that. Now listen to what I'm gonna say to you. Millions of people did not know. And incidentally didn't enter in at all the minds that belong to this school.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: You didn't know that Yahshua who you called Jesus Christ was back there with Moses until I told you.
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: You belong to this school many years and didn't know. How about that? Ambassador College just learned that last year. They didn't even know He was back there with Moses. Then I have a question I pose to you. Then you, look over there in Hebrews, we're coming back to where you was at reading in Matthew. Ezekiel 36 and 25,24,25. But now look over here in Hebrews and find this one thing, that He was the author and finisher.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Hebrews 12:2.
Dr. Kinley: Hebrews 12:2. But, Read.
Edward Mixon: Looking unto Yahshua.
Dr. Kinley: No, the first verse.
Edward Mixon: Wherefore seeing we are also compassed.
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore. Now look, wherefore seeing we are surrounded or compassed about
Edward Mixon: with so many
Dr. Kinley: with so great a cloud of witnesses.
Edward Mixon: cloud of witnesses. Let us lay aside every weight.
Dr. Kinley: Let us lay aside all them drawbacks, every weight. And what else?
Edward Mixon: And the sin which doeth so easily beset us.
Dr. Kinley: And the sin which doth so easily beset us.
Edward Mixon: And let us run the.., with patience.
Dr. Kinley: And let us run with patience.
Edward Mixon: The race that is set before us.
Dr. Kinley: The race that is set before us.
Edward Mixon: Looking unto Yahshua.
Dr. Kinley: Looking un... Read it out of the King James version. What does it say?
Edward Mixon: Looking unto Jesus.
Dr. Kinley: Now Doc, Read on.
Edward Mixon: The author and finisher of our faith.
Dr. Kinley: Listen folks, listen. There's no way under the Sun for Him to be the author and finisher of your faith without being back here in the... There's no way for Him to be. He was the author, meaning that He was right along with them when they come out here. He went right up into the mountain with Moses, showed him the creation of heaven and earth; making Him the author and the finisher. And here they are in this school all this long time and you didn't even know that He was back there. And yet and still you walking around with your chest all stuck out and you thought you was smart, cause you could pull a few verses and a few chapters, and didn't even know that. To tell you the truth, man just don't realize how stupid he really is. His mind is blinded with his ignorance, carnal, to be carnal minded.., read the scripture lesson here. To be carnal minded
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is death. Then listen here folks. Would you pay attention to what I'm saying Mickey.
SIDE 2:
Dr. Kinley: I'm not just up here talking to be talking ____ ____ Now pay attention folks. There was no carnal ordinance, not a carnal ordinance or not a natural, not a physical, no ordinance ever given to a Gentile in the history of the world: that includes water baptism, that includes Lord's Suppers, that includes foot washing and many other ordinances. None of it was ever given to the Gentiles in the history of the world. Now you tell me where you're gonna go so I'll know where to go to learn that. There isn't anywhere for you to go. You just might as well come back to 1040.19
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now somebody will say this, said, 'I could have showed you something in the Bible where water washed away a man's sins.' No, you ain't showing me nothing like that in no Bible. Now here's the stupidity of it. Now, if water washed away the sins...
I want you to see this, the Children of Israel, the Jews, they come through there and were baptized in the cloud and in the sea, they never got wet. Now here comes along John the Baptist, just like Moses was burying, then here comes along John the Baptist. Now pay attention, before Yahshua the Messiah died for our sins, are you listening, you sure, and he baptized nobody but the Jews. He baptized 'em before Yahshua the Messiah hung out there on the cross. Everybody can pretty much see that figure up there. Now you know yourself, if water washed away your sins, and John baptized 'em before He died, then it was stupid, it was ignorant, and you have made Yahshua the Messiah, whom you call Jesus Christ, a stupid person for going out there on Golgotha and dying out there for our sins when the waters done already washed 'em away. See that now? You can't deny that. You can't gainsay it either. You might try but you can't. Now Paul said in the 15 chapter of first Corinthians that if we preach that He died for our sins according to the scriptures, and rose again the third day. If He didn't do that, we're yet in our sins, and we're false witnesses. Is that what he said?
Now, what we're trying to find out now is this. We're trying to find out whether this story that Jehovah, so called Jehovah Witnesses, is telling the folks, going around knocking, annoying everybody. ____ ____ They are annoying, they're annoying. I got to the place where I, where I just get provoked with 'em. They don't want you to say nothing to them, they wanna tell you the truth, so they say. And know good and well that Jehovah is wrong, and yet and still they insist that they're Jehovah's Witnesses. Now what we're trying to find out. Now they're saying that Yahweh didn't put His spirit in no man, that's what they teach, but it's a vital force upon him. Now we're trying to find out whether that's so or not. And I'll have you to read it, start to reading in Ezekiel 36 and 25, 24 and 5.
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Dr. Carl F. Gross: Then, then will I sprinkle clean water upon you.
Dr. Kinley: Then will I sprinkle, that's Yahweh that said that.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: And ye shall be clean.
Dr. Kinley: And ye shall be clean.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: From all of your filthiness.
Dr. Kinley: From all of your filthiness. He's talking to Israel. Alright.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: All your idols.
Dr. Kinley: And all your idols. Alright, read on.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: Will I cleanse you.
Dr. Kinley: Will I cleanse you.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: A new heart also will I give you.
Dr. Kinley: A new heart also will I give you.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: And a new spirit will I put within you.
Dr. Kinley: No doc. Why don't you try reading what's in the Bible. Don't you know Jehovah's Witnesses say that He ain't gonna do nothing like that? Yahweh said He will put within you. Now you know what within you means. Now that's Ezekiel said that. See what Jeremiah's got to say about it. 31 and 31.
Edward Mixon: Behold the days come, saith Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Behold the days come, saith Yahweh.
Edward Mixon: That I will make a new covenant.
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Dr. Kinley: I don't have to ask you who said that. You heard it, saith Yahweh.
Edward Mixon: That I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel.
Dr. Kinley: That I will make a new covenant with. Now just a minute. Just a minute. Just a minute. Now Mickey if we wasn't so stupid, we could see that this covenant that He made back there was with the house of Israel. Now listen folks. Pay attention. And all of these, everything that they had back there was carnal ordinances. I mean Passover suppers, water baptism, foot washing, offering up sacrifices. All.., every bit of it was carnal ordinances was given strictly to nobody else but the Jews. Now here comes Christendoom practicing it now. That was in another world or another age. Do you follow? Alright. Now He's saying here.
Edward Mixon: Behold, the days come, saith Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Behold the days come, it hadn't come yet.
Edward Mixon: That I will make a new covenant.
Dr. Kinley: Now He's gonna make, now He said He's gonna make a new covenant with the house of Israel. Now you pay attention. Now if you pay attention and you take this home with you, it'll help you. If you don't take it home with you and you don't accept what the Book says here, then you, you didn't benefit by coming down here. That means we'll certainly meet again. Definitely so. You won't get by going on. 'I'm just going right on. I been in this thing so long, and I'm just going right on. I ain't gonna pay no attention to what Kinley
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said. He don't know what he's talking about.' If I don't know what I'm talking about.., you see Yahweh said that. That's what He said. So don't point and tell nobody I said it. Alright read.
Edward Mixon: That I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that?
Edward Mixon: And with the house of Judah.
Dr. Kinley: And with the house of Judah.
Edward Mixon: Not according to the covenant.
Dr. Kinley: Now you pay attention. Not according to the covenant of carnal ordinances that were back here under the dispensation of the law. I ain't gonna make another one like that. And you yourself would think that He was stupid to make another one just like the one He made when He said they broke it. Do you hear that Mickey?
Edward Mixon: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Alright, read on.
Edward Mixon: Not according the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them.
Dr. Kinley: Now I didn't say they broke it, Yahweh said they broke the Old Covenant. When they had the carnal ordinances, they broke 'em. When they had water baptisms, when they had foot washing, when we offered up the sacrifices, and them that did the miscellaneous laws, Lord's Suppers ____ ____. Now Yahweh said they broke 'em. Now here's standing your pastor in this day and age, on almost every street corner talking about are you getting baptized, you are a candidate for baptism and belonging to the Baptist Church. And that's what you tried to tell me too. Is that right? Okay. And you believe the Bible too ____. I don't have nothing to do no boosting and bragging about, I baptized a lotta folks, ate Lord's Suppers and washed feet and everything else. I said, I've done any thing that another preacher would do within the Church of God fifteen years. And I would still be doing it if Yahweh hadn't revealed the truth to me. Alright read.
Edward Mixon: But, 33rd verse. But this shall be the covenant.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Now this shall be the covenant. Now what we're trying to find out is is whether the Holy Spirit abides within a man or whether it's a vital force upon him or.., that's what we're trying to find out about, since Jehovah Witnesses say that it isn't. Now read.
Edward Mixon: But this shall be the covenant.
Dr. Kinley: This is gonna to be the covenant.
Edward Mixon: That I will make with the house of Israel after those days.
Dr. Kinley: That I will make with the house of Israel after those days.
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Edward Mixon: Saith Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Saith what?
Edward Mixon: Saith Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: I see. That wasn't ____. Do you see what I mean? Saith Yahweh. Now listen, this is what it is. Read.
Edward Mixon: I will put my law in their inward parts.
Dr. Kinley: No, it cannot be. Now look. Look up here. Here's the tabernacle. That law, the ten commandment law was laid in the ark of the covenant in the tabernacle. And this tabernacle, relates to you, he said it was a figure of your body. And He said that He will appear between the wings of the cheribums. He called Moses standing out here at the burning bush, He said He wanted him to go back down in Egypt and bring the people out. Later, He called him up in the mount and showed him, transfigured into the tabernacle and then told him to take up an offering from the Children of Israel and build Him a tabernacle. Now somebody wanna argue and chew the rag about it. Says, 'the Bible doesn't say that Yahweh dwells in a man, says He will appear.' It does say He will appear, in the Bible, in Leviticus 16:2, it says He'll appear there. But He told Moses to build that tabernacle that He might dwell. Now if you don't think it says that, I'll read it. I'm getting sick and tired of people running round here with limited stupidity when you trying to tell them something. I know what's in the Book. Yeah He appeared, when the High Priest went in there in the Most Holy Place on the 10th day of October or the Day of Atonement, the third time; first for his own errors, and then for the errors of the people and for the cleansing of the sanctuary, and he throwed that blood towards the mercy seat seven times. He appeared between the wings of the cheribums above upon the mercy seat, symbolical to the throne, He appeared there. I mean He appeared to him in a vision. Now look. When this tabernacle was builded with Moses, this same cloud come down and it filled the tabernacle. That was symbolical of the Holy Spirit ____ ____. I said symbolic, but it didn't keep him from appearing between the wings of the cheribums above upon the mercy seat. That's what it says both places. Alright, finish up for me. We got to go. Repeat there what you just said in the.., whoever was reading.
Edward Mixon: Not.., but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Yahweh. I will put My law in their inward parts.
Dr. Kinley: Now He said I will put my law in their inward parts.
Edward Mixon: And write it in their heart
Dr. Kinley: And write it in their heart.
Edward Mixon: And will be their Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: And will be their Elohim.
Edward Mixon: And they shall be my people.
Dr. Kinley: Now He promised to do that. Now the third chapter of second Corinthians. I haven't forgot Acts 2:4. I know what's in the Book.
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Now folks look, look up here everybody. Now here's an easy way of understanding what we're talking about. In this present dispensation in which we live, there isn't any physical passover suppers, which you call Lord's Supper, to the Jew nor to the Gentile. There isn't any physical water baptism, there isn't any physical foot washing in this dispensation. Now listen at what I'm saying. All of this back here was types and shadows that point to the spirit. Now when you got the spirit, then all of these things, naturally so, pointed to the spirit. And Yahshua, now listen, Yahshua you've got Him lying by saying that He come to fulfill. They saying, Christian Roman Catholic Church, Protestants churches say this that He come and instituted Christian water baptism, He come and instituted Lord's Suppers. Hard shell baptists say He come and instituted foot washing. Now look, this is just simply calling the man a liar. He said that He come to fulfill. Now He can't fulfill nothing unless it's instituted. And that would make Him... He's got to be the author and the finisher of our faith.
Now listen folks, what we are doing now, I'm explaining It so you can understand it, is the Holy Spirit in us, in a physical, mortal, natural body, and in this present age or in the age to come or when He's revealed from heaven, listen close now, then we will take off this physical body and we will have an immortal body and an immortal spirit. We have an immortal spirit in it now. And we also, the thing that's come up in the next world or the next age, which we're right down to the close of it, is an immortal body. Now that's the easy way to understand it. All of these natural things and all these physical things, including the sun and moon and stars, everything natural, doesn't make any difference, everything natural is nothing but a type and a shadow. The heavens and the earth shall be folded up, all the types and shadows and everything.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 75.1116
transcribed by Paul Gadoua
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Geraldine Rothstein
third proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
2ND SPEAKER: Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: I am ____, most of you know that I'm not able to do much ____ ____ ____ for myself as my illness, but I've always said that as long as Yahweh permits me too have sense enough to say anything, it will be in defense of this gospel. And I want you to know, for an assured fact that there's several things that I think that you should know. And I feel that it's incumbent upon me and my indispensable duty to tell you about them, and to tell you in such a way that you will not forget to remember. Now one of those things and most important is this: I want you to read Matthew 24:14 and 15. Now I want you to understand why I'm telling you about this. Now these are not my words these are Yahshua the Messiah, and these are His own words. The disciples come to Him and.., when they were aside and apart in the mountain, called His attention to the structures and buildings. And I don't have time to go into all of that but I just wanna lay the thing down so you can see. And I want to show you what's going on in the world, if you possible might be able to listen to it. Alright let's.., read that for me please.
Dr. Harris: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations...
Dr. Kinley: Dr. Harris before we get started back up a little please so we can see what.., get the subject and the predicate.
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Dr. Harris: And Yahweh went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to show him the buildings of the temple. And Yahshua said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of they (thy?) coming and of the end of the age.
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see that now? Now do you understand what we're talking about? We're talking about the sign of the coming of the end of the age. Now that's what we are talking about. Now this is He talking to His disciples. And so now skip on down now to the 14 and 15 verses.
Dr. Harris: And the gospel, and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations...
Dr. Kinley: Now this is the cardinal point that I want you to see. Not that gospel but This Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world. Now just to stand here and say that, many people all over the world would say this, 'well that's what they're preaching down to our church.' No such of a thing. This Gospel of the Kingdom is not preached in all the world. Now here's the narrow mindedness of it. This little school, this little insignificant thing are the only ones in the world that is preaching the true Gospel of the Kingdom. Now let me show you why I say that. Lot of 'em first don't know what the Kingdom is, and consequently they got a carnal mind, just like Billy Graham, I have to come out and tell you so you'll know and understand. Billy Graham is.., has made many statements that they were going to preach the gospel in all the world, quoting this same passage of scripture. Everywhere you go he'll quote this same passage of scripture and say that that's what he's preaching. Now here's what the difference is, said, this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world. Number one: they don't have the true name. It's not Lord, God and Jesus Christ. That's not it. Now that's your first massive error that the people have made. Now His true name is Yahweh, Elohim is a true title and Yahshua is the true name of the Son. Now that's what it is. Now Billy Graham is not preaching that, Rex Humbard and the rest of the radio and TV preachers is not preaching that at all. So He's not talking about that gospel that they're preaching. And so far as you knew anything about.., we, this little group, this little despised group are the only ones that's preaching the true Gospel of the Kingdom. Now He said it would be preached in all the world to all nations. Now we have been around the world just about twice. Getting ready to go again to preach this Gospel to the people of the world. Now, I'm saying that to let you know that it's incumbent upon you to do what you can financially and otherwise to preach this Gospel. Now you're right down to the close and down to the end of this here thing. Now, it says this Gospel of the Kingdom. Now I wanna show you what the Kingdom is so you can decide whether or not that your pastor is preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom. Now Jehovah's Witnesses are saying that God is gonna set up a kingdom on this earth plane, then He's gonna descend and rule and reign for a thousand years. And you heard me say when a man was here that said that God had sent him to set up the kingdom, I said it wasn't so. He jumped up and said I was a liar. Right
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back there.
Student Body: That's right
Dr. Kinley: He said that. And now he wanted somebody to be ministers of the housing, minister of distribution of food, and minister of this and that and the other. Now since he come in the latter part of this Age he claims that he's the man. Herbert Armstrong in Pasadena claims he's the man. I say I'm the man. So it's incumbent upon us to prove it. The Apostle Paul said, 'prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.' Alright now. Let's see about the Kingdom. First Colossians. Colossians 1:13, 1:12 and 13. Get the chapter and make it simple. Now while we get that, somebody get the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians and verse 60. And while they get that, we need.., somebody get Romans 14:17. Now what we're talking about is this Gospel of the Kingdom. Only thing I can do now is just come right out actively and face to face and just like it is, and what I tell you, that's the way it is. There'll be no fixing, no repairs. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: Colossians first chapter, start at the 12th verse. Giving thanks unto the Father
Dr. Kinley: Giving thanks unto the Father
Dr. Harris: Which has made us meet to be partakers
Dr. Kinley: Which has made us meet to be partakers
Dr. Harris: of the inheritance
Dr. Kinley: of the inheritance
Dr. Harris: of the sons in light
Dr. Kinley: of the sons. Listen now, enlightened. We're not talking about someone walking in darkness out there, like the Methodist, the Baptist, Roman.., that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the sons of Yahweh, we're not talking about Satan, we're not talking about priest. Is that clear to you? We're talking about the sons in light, not Christians. Alright the sons in light. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: Who hath delivered us
Dr. Kinley: Now who hath delivered us. Now hath is past tense, means it's already happened, not something that's gonna, something that's already happened. Who hath. That's past tense. Who hath delivered us. From what?
Dr. Harris: From the power of darkness
Dr. Kinley: From the power of darkness, superstition, and ignorance. Delivers these sons that have been enlightened by the Holy Spirit. Am I making the thing clear.
Student Body: Yes.
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Dr. Kinley: Now while all of them have been enlightened, it'll all be seeing the same thing, but they're not all enlightened. Alright.
Dr. Harris: And hath translated us...
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute, says, hath been, it says... I told you that's a past tense. If the Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom of Yahweh had not already been set up, if hadn't already happened, there wouldn't be no way for Him to translate us into. We'd be talking like Jehovah's Witnesses. That He's come and set up some.., but He hath already did it. Now we're reading out of the Bible. You have one in your lap. You're privileged to have one if you don't have it. And Doc I say I'm weak and I don't feel like this at all, but it's my indispensable duty and my job. Now, that's one reason why I don't want you kicking about digging down in your pocket. You very seldom ever hear me say anything about any money. Been going on 45 years you haven't heard me say nothing about no money, but we want you to dig down in your pockets and for this third peace mission dig deep. If you have to mortgage something, borrow something, if you believe in what we talking about. Why so? Because we're down to the end of this age and the Gospel of the Kingdom, this Gospel must be preached in all the world. The end can't come till it is. You follow? And he hath already translated us. Into what?
Dr. Harris: Into the kingdom.
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see that? Now people are talking about the kingdom yet to come. They're stupid. They haven't been drawn out from the power of the darkness. They're walking in ignorance. And listen here, He hath already did that. Now this is what they're doing. They're saying out of one corner of their mouth that it has come and out of the other side of their mouth, it hasn't come. Here's why. Because you're blind, it's all natural... And listen. Wait. I'll read that. You pay attention to what I'm reading here, He's already translated us in the Kingdom. Now let me tell you about the translation of Enoch. That's the first man, the seventh from Adam was translated without seeing death. The next man that was translated without seeing death was Elijah. One was in one age and the other in the other. And now you in another age following that? So He has to translate you in this Present Age into the Kingdom. Now when he said translated us into the Kingdom of His dear Son... Hath, already past, that's a past tense. Now listen here, I don't want you to think that there's any flesh and blood or anybody that's sitting up here, physically so, sitting in the Kingdom of Yahweh. Now that's not so.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now if that's not so, Jehovah's Witnesses just might as well shut their mouth. 15th chapter of 1 Corinthians and verse 50. Let's make some sense of it.
Dr. Harris: Now this I say brethren
Dr. Kinley: Now this is Paul talking. Now this I say brethren. He is an apostle. He says now this I say brethren. What?
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Dr. Harris: That flesh and blood
Dr. Kinley: Now flesh and blood. Now if you want Him to jump down through the sky and set up a kingdom on earth, then flesh and blood would have to inherit. But Paul says now this I say brethren that flesh and blood...
Dr. Harris: shall not inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: So it's stupid and silly to be talking about Him coming setting up a kingdom on earth. Through ____. Is there anybody in here who don't understand? Now.., so all you understand now? I don't see no hands, I don't see nobody standing or nothing. Now then.., say look here. No we wanna know what the Kingdom of Yahweh is? That's what I want to know now. Romans 14:17.
Dr. Harris: For the kingdom of Yahweh..
Dr. Kinley: Now listen here, for the kingdom of Yahweh
Dr. Harris: Is not meats and drinks
Dr. Kinley: Now hold that right there. Get over in Hebrews 9 and about 10, I think it is. This is under the dispensation of the law.
Dr. Harris: 9 and 10. I'll start at the ninth verse.
Dr. Kinley: Start at the ninth verse.
Dr. Harris: which was a figure for the time then present..
Dr. Kinley: Now he's talking about the tabernacle and the services in the tabernacle. That was for the time then present, not now. It's back there under the dispensation of the law, Post Diluvian Age. For the time then present, not now.
Dr. Harris: In which were offered both gifts and sacrifices
Dr. Kinley: Talking about the tabernacle in which was offered both gifts and sacrifices. Now wait just a minute. I wanna say something right there. Now all of these people with their little carnal mind running around baptizing folks, eating Lord Suppers. Now they don't wanna be circumcised. They think that's out. Now they skip right over step right... Circumcision was first, that's eight days after birth, you skip right over that. And then you got into water baptisms. Carnal mind don't understand the purpose, don't understand line upon line, precept upon precept. Well now if you're gonna baptize and do it, you have to do the whole thing. You have to be circumcised and you have to be offered up. All Jehovah Witnesses and all the rest of the world, they oughta be offering up sacrifices, animal sacrifices. Because why? Because they're doing what was under the law, dispensation of the law, the Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian and Unitarians. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: In which were offered both gifts and sacrifices that could not make them that did the service perfect as pertaining to the conscience.
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Dr. Kinley: Now they couldn't make him perfect as pertaining to the conscience. Ain't never been no bullocks... God has never or Yahweh has never been satisfied with carnal ordinances, never has, even when they was offering 'em up under the dispensation of the law. And they could not be abolished until Yahshua the Messiah comes in and fulfills them all and then moves 'em out of the way. What's that all about? So you could walk in the spirit, and that means both the Jew and the Gentile in the one Life in Yahshua the Messiah. Hope I'm making it real good and clear. Alright, read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Which stood only
Dr. Kinley: Now I want you to get this straight. That tabernacle back there stood only in meats and drinks. It didn't stand in nothing else but carnal ordinances, wasn't no spiritual things about, it stood only in meats and drinks and divers washing water baptisms foot washings and offering up of sacrifices, and bullocks, eating passover suppers, Feast of Pentecost, Feast of Tabernacles, stood only in meats and drinks and divers washings, that means many kinds of washing. Alright read. Now this is to the Jew. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: And carnal ordinances
Dr. Kinley: And carnal ordinances
Dr. Harris: Imposed on them
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, imposed on the Jew. Every time you see a Gentile doing something like that.., he's doing something he hasn't got no scripture for. He ain't got not scripture in the Bible, there's nothing in the almanac to say nothing about it. Why? Because Yahweh's gonna bring it in by faith according to the way He made the promise to Abraham. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: imposed on them
Dr. Kinley: imposed on the Jew
Dr. Harris: until the time of reformation
Dr. Kinley: Until the time of the reformation. Now listen. The Jews ain't got no business eating the passover suppers. It was definitely imposed on him til the time of the reformation or until the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. That's what we're point ____. So he ain't got no business to water baptize. He ain't got no business eating passover suppers. Well somebody opens their Bible and said, 'in the Matthew 26th chapter and 26...' We know all of that's in there. He was under the dispensation of the law at that time, and that was the Last Supper physically so that He ever eat with the disciples. It didn't come but once a year so then He couldn't ____ before He ascended, He couldn't eat no more Lord's Suppers, no more passover suppers until the next year. And you know that the Book does say that He did ascend from the Mount of Olives. Alright. Now it was imposed on them until the time of the reformation on the Jew. And listen up, listen to me, it stood only in that. It didn't stand in nothing else. Now here we are. What's the difference? Here we are, he that.., the third chapter of Galatians. He that ministers unto you the Spirit. Now that's what we're doing, we're ministering unto you the spirit. You are a partaker of the spirit, just like they were a partaker of those carnal
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ordinances. We're in another age, another world, another dispensation. Now that's what we're doing, ministering unto you the Spirit. Alright, repeat Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Which stood only in meats and drinks
Dr. Kinley: Now that one stood only in that. It didn't stand in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was not collectively poured out, yet and still all the prophets prophesied with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven. And when that prophesy was over, the Holy Spirit departed from that person. Well now in this dispensation it comes to stay forever and is walking around, hid in the world in a body. And that's what we wanna preach. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Which stood only in meats and drinks
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see that? So, now if you're gonna do, you're gonna wash feet, if you're gonna eat passover supper, you have to do the whole thing. It stood only in meats and drinks. Now don't forget now, it stood only in meats and drinks. Now what we're trying to find out, what is the difference between the Kingdom of God or between the Kingdom of Yahweh and this here that's been imposed on the Jew. Now that's what we're trying to find out. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: which stood only in meats and drinks and divers washings and carnal ordinances imposed on them
Dr. Kinley: Imposed on the Jews not the Gentile. That's the reason why you don't have no scriptures in the Bible that quoted, or authored by Yahshua or Yahweh for a Gentile to be baptized in physical water, eat no passover suppers or no Lord's Suppers, none of that. It's just simply not in the Bible. Now somebody wants to turn over here, 'yes it is, it's right here in the New Testament,' and wanna read to me about Matthew 26:26. It ain't no ____ under the Law. They think it's in the New Testament. And well the New Testament's not written with pen and ink for your information. And that's not what the New Testament or New Covenant is. Now it stood only in meats and drinks and divers washing and carnal ordinances imposed on the Jew until the reformation. Now if that's not what the Kingdom of God or the Kingdom of Yahweh is, we wanna know now what it is. Since you can't get flesh and blood in it, we wanna know what it is. We've found out now that it already translated to us into the Kingdom. And we could find out when that was set up, by going into Acts of Apostles two. And I'll quote it to you. On the Day of Pentecost AD 33 about nine o'clock in the morning. That's when that was, that's when the dis... Now you watch and see. Romans 14 and 17.
Dr. Harris: For the kingdom of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Now for the kingdom of Yahweh
Dr. Harris: is not meats and drinks
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see that? It's not the meats and drinks. It's just simply not that. Well if it's not that, then what is? Read.
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Dr. Harris: but righteousness and peace
Dr. Kinley: but it is righteousness and peace
Dr. Harris: and joy
Dr. Kinley: and joy
Dr. Harris: in the Holy Spirit
Dr. Kinley: in the Holy Spirit. Now that's what it is. It's not you eating Lord's Suppers, it's not you getting baptized in physical water. It's not that at all. Now as I said before, we don't practice none of that, not in this school. So don't come up telling me that we're doing the same.., your church over there is doing the same thing we're doing over here because they're not. We don't, we don't practice ____. Now when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost. Okay read that Dr. Harris. Acts about 2 and 4. I'll be done here in just a...
Dr. Harris: Now when the day of Pentecost was fully come
Dr. Kinley: Now when the Day of Pentecost was fully come. Now listen here, now this is what I'm gonna say. Now we talked about carnal ordinances being imposed, imposed upon 'em. Now I want you to know, I don't have time to go into it. I want you to know that the Day of Pentecost, which Pentecost means 50. Every year on that same day, Day of Pentecost they had the Feast of Pentecost. Now you're so busy eating passover suppers until you haven't paid no attention at all to the Feast of Pentecost. See how stupid we are? And then when you get up to the Feast of Tabernacles, or the Feast of the Day of Atonement, you're so busy eating passover suppers, lying, so you don't know anything at all, nothing about no Feast of Pentecost as another feast day. And you still there eating Lord's Suppers. You don't have no place for that, where is on that day, the Day of Pentecost that he's talking about. Now pentecost come every year, now listen close at this one. And every 50 years was the year of Jubilee. Now this year, 1975, is 25 years. And the papacy is celebrating this as the Year of Jubilee, just 25 years off.
Now look folks, I don't have to go around asking nobody nothing about nothing. I ain't asking you about no information about nothing. I know what I'm talking about. I don't have to do that. I don't have to look in no books either. Yes indeed. The Holy Spirit's right incarnated in this flesh. No I'm not the teacher, it's the Holy Spirit in this body.
Now there's a few more things I wanna call your attention too before I sit down. There's a good reason for it too. Now this is what I'm trying to show you now. Now you see that the Kingdom is not meats and drinks, so it can't be that He's gonna come and set up something that flesh and blood be in, but the Kingdom is the Holy Spirit in you as righteousness, it is peace, and it is joy in the Holy Spirit. Finish what you're reading there doc.
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I want to show you... Now Jehovah Witnesses say the Holy Spirit's in nobody. Let me show you the mess there. Let me show it to you real quick. Yes, it's alright. Just to show you how stupid and how ignorant people are. And those of you that know are looking straight at the fools all the time, but don't recognize that that's what we teach. Now Yahweh, in Leviticus 16:2, Elohim said He would dwell between the wings of the cheribims in this tabernacle. Now in the 6th chapter of Romans in the 19th, 20th verse says your body, know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. All you have done is just take this and correlate it with that, your body is the temple. Now they made Him out a liar. Said, He's gonna dwell between the wings of cheribums in the Most Holy Place and this is your Most Holy Place. Looking right straight at it, and haven't got sense enough to know it. And they say it's a vital force upon you. I'm just showing you how stupid people are. Read on Dr. Harris
Dr. Harris: and when the day of Pentecost was fully come
Dr. Kinley: Now when the day of Pentecost was fully come. Read on.
Dr. Harris: while they were all with one accord in one place
Dr. Kinley: Now He's ____ His disciples.
Dr. Harris: suddenly there came a sound from heaven
Dr. Kinley: Now let me tell you something else. The reason why I'm trying to tell you, everything Yahweh does, He does it suddenly. When He's revealed from heaven, it'll be real quick. You ain't got no time to fix up nothing, no time to be getting right. It's instantaneous, it's suddenly. You see what I'm talking about. So now the smart thing for you to do is find out something about it and find it out now and be quick about it. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: suddenly there came a sound from heaven
Dr. Kinley: suddenly there came a sound from heaven
Dr. Harris: as a rushing mighty wind
Dr. Kinley: and as a rushing mighty wind. Now hold it right there. Now just stupidity won't allow you to see this, it just won't allow. You you see that long chart over there? Somebody that's back there by that chart, get up from there and point to Adam where He breathes into his nostrils the Breath of Life. Somebody that knows where it is, I can't see from here. He breathed as a mighty rushing wind. ____ ____ ____ it came from heaven. You see a sound of a mighty rushing wind. And then what?
Dr. Harris: and there, and there came a sound from heaven as a rushing mighty wind and it filled all the house where they were sitting
Dr. Kinley: Now it filled all the house where they were sitting. Read on.
Dr. Harris: and there appeared unto them cloven tongues
Dr. Kinley: Now cloven means divided. Didn't I tell you ____ ____ they didn't have it. Cloven means divided. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: and it rest upon each of them
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Dr. Kinley: Now that's where Jehovah's Witnesses got it all wrong. They won't read it all. Read on.
Dr. Harris: and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see that. They were all filled? It would have to be because don't you see the tabernacle was filled with, with the, with the incense and smoke. And He dwelt between the wings of the cherubim. You have to know how to look at a thing. They haven't caught on to the correlations of one thing to the other. That's the reason why.., there ain't nothing gonna happen, I'm gonna tell you now, ain't a thing gonna happen, now until these folks go around the world and preach the Gospel. Ain't nothing happening. So if you, if you were one of them good brethren, you just might as well dig deep in your pockets. And listen you ain't no long time to do it. You got to raise it and raise it quick. Somebody said, 'well, I'm getting tired of them running all around, all over the world.' Well you talk to Yahshua. You ____ talk to me. That's what He said was gonna happen, said this Gospel of the Kingdom which we're preaching and telling you now. Now let me say this. In this present age which is right here, and here's where he's reading, Pentecost. They were filled with the Holy Spirit. At the close of this age, which we are right down to it now then there will be immortality. Aren't you tired of you flesh.
Student Body: Yes. Right.
Dr. Kinley: Don't you want a break from this?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Yes indeed. And now I could go on into that show you where that is. And there in the 15th chapter of 1 Corinthians where everybody has to be changed. Changed from mortal to immortal in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. So let's get the job done. We're taking part of the truth. ____ ____ ____. and dispute with these folks. Billy Graham and Rex Humbard and these others, they're not gonna accept the Gospel. So it's incumbent upon you to preach this Gospel of the Kingdom. Now I wanna tell you about the Jews Daniel 9:24. And while he's finding that. Daniel 9:24. They're walking around over there. They don't have what you call the New Testament. They just have the Masoretic Text, from Genesis to Malachi. ____ ____ ____. And they're looking for Yahshua the Messiah to appear, and get behind ____ ____. And here He done come and fulfilled that Law and Prophets, moved it all out of the way. Now they're looking for Him to ____. Now they're looking for Him. Now He was on time when He was supposed to be here on the scene. Now let's see where time really starts, whether it started or not. Let's see how they make it. Read.
Dr. Harris: seventy weeks of years are determined
Dr. Kinley: Now seventy weeks of years are determined
Dr. Harris: upon thy people
Dr. Kinley: upon thy people
Dr. Harris: and upon the holy city
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Dr. Kinley: and upon the holy city. Somebody get on the board and put the figures on the board so you can see what we're talking about. Whoever it is that knows what we're talking about. Put 70 weeks. Put 70 down and multiply it by seven, and see what you get. There are seven days in a week, seven days in a week, why then you got 70 times seven. That's how much, how long is that? 490. Alright now, look up here at... Now that's in that Masoretic Text. They're still looking for Him to come and this is in their book. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: seventy weeks of years are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city to restrain transgression
Dr. Kinley: Now, to restrain transgression
Dr. Harris: and to make an end of sin offering.
Dr. Kinley: and to make, say look, to make an end of sin. To make an end of sin. Now let me tell you about that. Now he was talking... I want you to get this straight and plain too. I want you to see in too, and understand what I'm talking about. Now He was made.., He was manifested to make an end of sin. That's, listen, listen to what I'm saying, that's the only sacrifice that Yahweh has given from the foundation of the world to remove sin. Now you either have to accept Him and His knowledge or you're gonna be in your sin. 'Well what did you say that for? And why did you say that? Why are you meddling in my religion?' Now this is what I'm trying to get you to see. Moses didn't die for nobody. Moses didn't die for nobody. None of the prophets, they never died for nobody. Spinoza20 never died for nobody. Spinoza never created nothing. ____ never created nothing. Now you're around here making an ass out of yourself, worshipping Buddha or Siddhartha Gautama21 which is a man. All messed up in Buddhism and you can't take nothing no kinda way and prove this Buddha as a figure of Yahshua the Messiah, because He had a time to appear and with the expiration of that 490 years, then you AD 1. 490 years is determined upon the holy city and upon thy people, now listen, to make an end of sin. Now that's the reason why we're chewing the rag and fussing about the Roman Catholics going back and forth to confession, denying that He made an end of sin. Now you don't run in and out of here, you either go out and stay out, or else you come in and stay in. And there will be no more offering for sin because you have to confess Him in the first place. so you just might as well accept Him and sit down and make yourself at home and stay there too. Don't make no difference how many false prophets and how many false teachers come along, you stay right there cause Yahweh don't have nothing else to offer for nobody's sins. He that is born of Yahweh does not commit a sin. That's in your Bible. If you don't think it is, I definitely will read it. Alright. 70 weeks is determined to make a end of sins and to what?
Dr. Harris: and to make atonement for Iniquity
Dr. Kinley: and to make atonement for iniquity
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20 Baruch R. Benedict de Spinoza (1632-1677) was a dutch rationalist philosopher.
21 Buddha's real name.
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Dr. Harris: and to bring in everlasting righteousness
Dr. Kinley: Now, to bring in everlasting righteousness. 490 years from the going forth of the commandment unto Artaxerxes. Is that what you got there doc.
Doc: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: 490 years just passed. I don't know how many times.., we could figure it right out, right up there on the board. It's figured out in the book, and showed it to you. To make an end of sin. Now that's the only sacrifice. That's the Kingdom of Yahweh. The Kingdom of Yahweh is the Holy Spirit in you, not upon you, not around you, but in you. It's typified in the stones, that Holy Spirit dwelleth in that tabernacle and your body is the tabernacle. Now you see that ____ to AD 1. Now we're 1975. Put 1975 on the board, board and subtract 33 years from it.22 Now this is important. That's His life.23 He had to die to ____ to fulfill the law and then die to make an end of sin or be sacrificed. Now you got 1942 years, so we are 1,942 years deep in this present dispensation. Now this is a short one, this is a long one, and the one we're in now has got to be short. So if you expect to be saved you better straighten up and fly right, quick. Now there's one more thing I want to call your attention to and that's this. Yahweh said that He was gonna multiply Abraham's seed as the sand of the sea and as the stars of heaven. Somebody find it and read it. I just wanna point to some.., point to something that you know so that you can see for yourself. This is right where you are. And the Jews, they're still looking. He come in here and fulfilled the law and moved it out of the way so that we could walk in the Spirit in this present dispensation. Alright. If you found it, read it.
Dr. Harris: Gen 13:16 is one place. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth so that if a man can number the dust of the earth then shall thy seed also be numbered
Dr. Kinley: he went on to say about the stars of heaven too
Dr. Harris: Genesis 15:5. And he brought him forth abroad and said, look now towards heaven and count the stars, if thou be able to number them. He said unto him, so shall thy seed be.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, look up here and listen to what I'm saying. Now there isn't but but 15, not quite 15 million since the last war ____ ____. Are you listening? There's not quite 15 million Jews in the whole entire world, not quit 15 million. I have got the statistics at home. Now what you gonna do, you gonna call Yahweh a liar? 15 million doesn't have any.., that don't begin to count the sand of the sea or stars of heaven. Something's wrong somewhere. Some misunderstanding some where. Now here's the misunderstanding. 1 Corinthians 12:14, I believe it is. I just want you to see this, I just want you to see this. They're laboring over
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22 1975 - 33 = 1942
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there in the, with the wrong impression. 15 million Jews is a long way from the sands of the sea and the stars of Abraham. ____ ____ ____. You can't call Yahweh a lair. Alright. Read when you find it.
Dr. Harris: For by one spirit?
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: For by one spirit
Dr. Kinley: For... Now wait a minute. Now listen here folks. Don't start no argument with me please, I don't feel like arguing with you. For by one spirit, not water, for by one spirit. The Jews on the Day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Jews, physical Jews, and he was supposed to go to the Gentiles seven years after and preach to you the untouchable riches of Yahshua the Messiah in Spirit. And while he, Peter, was preaching to Cornelius the Holy Spirit fell upon 'em. Now what's happening is Yahweh's bringing 'em in according to the way He made the promise. For by one spirit. Please not water. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: For by one spirit are we all baptized into one body.
Dr. Kinley: By the one spirit, not water, are we all baptized into the one body. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Whether we be Jew.
Dr. Kinley: Don't make no difference, don't make no difference, just seven years difference anyhow, whether we be Jew or whether we be Gentile. Is that right? Now that's what makes up that great multitude, not 15 million, but that great multitude which they over looked. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: Whether we be bond or free.
Dr. Kinley: Whether we be bond or free.
Dr. Harris: And all are made to drink in that one spirit.
Dr. Kinley: And all are made to drink into that one spirit, and that's not that satanic spirit. Read on.
Dr. Harris: For the body is not one member but many.
Dr. Kinley: That's many, you can't number them. Now I'm gonna ____ ____ away unless somebody preaches to you, but the thoughts and the reason why I got up here is.., now we want to ____ ____. Yahweh sent me in the world. That's why I'm here is to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom, not no physical organization at all. In the Kingdom there is both Jew and Gentile, angels and everything else all make up ____ ____ the one body, and it's all spiritual. Flesh and blood can not inherit, and He's not taking up no time to set up no kingdom on the earth. He's not gonna set down on the earth and rule for no 1,000 years. That's a lie. And no flesh, that's Jew or Gentile is not in the Kingdom. Yes I say unto you brethren that flesh and blood will not inherit, but it is one body, one Spirit. That's the reason
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why I try my best to get you to see it's the Holy Spirit in you that is speaking of Yahweh. Now if you don't have the Holy Spirit, there's no need for you to running around here arguing about what the Bible says. You just don't have it. Ain't no need of bucking against it or nothing like that. You just might as well be cool, calm and collected about it. Now Yahweh will give you the Holy Spirit. Open your eyes so you can see and so you understand and just don't forget that there's now in these last days this satanic spirit that's incarnated in physical bodies and preaching all kinds of lies. But right at the time that's going on, we must be preach ____ ____ at any cost. Now we think, we don't know for sure, but we think that it cost somewhere around $50,000 for this next trip. We're gonna try to take it in every place, ____ place where they haven't been. But this time we're gonna have a.., try to have a communication with a phone with those heads. And ____ ____ not understand, I not sure about it if it can be done ____ but last as long. So then that means that all of us must put our shoulders to the wheel. But don't, don't, don't look after the ____ and the little thing, don't, don't be a snare like that, cause it wasn't me, it's not me. And as I told you 44 years of my life have past and gone. And nobody that knows me know I never get up and say nothing about me, but I do beseech you for your own good, and I want you to know that more important than anything else on the earth is to send these few little people abroad. They're the ones that have to suffer persecution. ____ are exposed and Yahshua the Messiah said some of you are gonna preach, some of you are gonna get killed. And every where you go the people know nothing about the true Gospel of the Kingdom. You got all kinds of fools and adversaries, satanic spirits incarnated in the physical bodies. Now if they're willing to risk their lives in order to obey Yahshua the Messiah, and see that you're right down to the end of this age where we shall soon breath immortality and that is not taught in the world. Just preach the Gospel of the Kingdom and see to it that it is going around the world. I invite you to help us to do that at any cost. And I wanna let you know that it won't be long. It won't be long. We're not gonna have to continue to bother with this and be worried with all of these financial problems and what not, and pains and aches and miseries, woes, liars, hypocrites, backbiters and ____. You won't have to be bothered with that much longer. Now that the truth is there. When this Gospel of the Kingdom is preached in all the world, Yahshua the Messiah definitely will be revealed from heaven, change your vile body, I'm talking about Philippians now, change your vile body into a immortal or a glorified body like unto His. Your pains and your aches, your woes and sorrows and tribulations will all be gone. I hope....
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ERRONEOUS DOCTRINE PREACHED FROM THE FLOOR
also called: CHASTISEMENT ABOUT THE PHYSICAL IS OUT AND THE NAME IS YAH)
(also called: DETAILED EXPLANATION OF I CORINTHIANS 15)
by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
audio tape received from David Rosen
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 75.1203
1977
originally transcribed by Sandra Giragosian, Joseph and Susan LaFergola
1997
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Cathy Fenti
third proofreading: Geraldine Rothstein
final proofreading: the International Public Relations Committee:
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
SCRIPTURE: 1 Corinthians 15
Moderator: ... will be the founder of our school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I'm always happy and glad to be here to talk with you about the things that pertain to Yahweh and His eternal Purpose through the dispensations and ages. Now I don't always like to get up and express about my feelings and my health and what not. I don't like to do that. But I don't feel like being here, and I had taken medicine before I came. I had a temperature, I.., before I came. I went ahead on and took those pills and then I come on down here just the same. Now I wanna tell you the reason why it is tonight, is because reports have been coming to me about erroneous doctrine that has been preached from this pulpit. Now, if I say they are erroneous, they are erroneous. I wish you would read for me the beginning of the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians.
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(also called: CHASTISEMENT ABOUT THE PHYSICAL IS OUT AND THE NAME IS YAH)
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Dr. Harris: Moreover, Brethren
Dr. Kinley: Now Paul had already spoken of some things before he got down to this, and so there's some more on top of this. He said, 'Moreover, brethren,' then what?
Dr. Harris: I declare unto you the gospel
Dr. Kinley: I declared unto you the gospel
Dr. Harris: which I preached unto you
Dr. Kinley: which I preached unto you
Dr. Harris: which also
Dr. Kinley: 44 years in my case. Alright. Read on.
Dr. Harris: which also ye have received,
Dr. Kinley: And you received it. I preached it and you received it. The reason why you received it is because you can't refute it. Now I don't care who you are, you can't refute it. You can't dispute it, not with this Bible.
And then I want to say something else right here, too. Now it's stupid in you putting up money to send a Peace.., another Peace Mission overseas to preach an erroneous doctrine over there. Now that's stupid. I wouldn't be asking you to do nothing like that, if we couldn't prove the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy, the absolute infallibility of Yahweh and His eternal purpose. I wouldn't ask you to do that. Now I don't have to try to defend anything at all. I don't have to do that. I preached it to you. I lived it. I performed the miracles that Yahweh gave to me to perform among you, and you know it. None of it has ever failed, but it is expedient for you to realize and to recognize that the Satanic spirit will rise up among you brethren, I'm talking about, among yourselves. It's just expedient, you can expect that. It's supposed to do that. I am not kicking about that. I just want you to be prepared to reject it, cause I want you to be saved. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also you have received, and wherein ye stand;
Dr. Kinley: Now that's where you stand. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: By which also ye are saved,
Dr. Kinley: Now, you're, you're saved by that gospel. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you
Dr. Kinley: Now that's this, you keep in memory what I preached to you. Now the Devil would have you to do this: to get up on this floor, on this rostrum here, and try to show where you're so much smarter than anybody else. Now you're not any smarter than any body else. I don't care who you are, you're not any smarter than the.., than the other fellow. All of us, none of us wouldn't know anything at all about Yahweh if He hadn't revealed His purpose to us. So now you quit
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exalting yourself by getting up here trying to say something about somebody. And another thing too is, ____ ____. And I knew about it, getting up here personating people, saying, 'when I put the finger on somebody, then they're the devil, a satanic spirit.' Now that means that you are one! You wouldn't have said that if you hadn't of been.
Now here's Paul right in this 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians, he said he was the 'least of the apostles.' He was the greatest of 'em, spoke in more tongues than all of 'em, went and preached in geographical areas further and more than any of all the twelve of 'em, all the rest of the eleven of 'em, made more voyages, underwent more persecutions, and trials and tribulations, and was caught up to the third heaven and saw things that was impossible for a man to utter. And here's a man, has.., speak all them many different tongues and yet and still, he said 'if I speak with the tongues of angels and the tongues of men and I don't have love or charity, it profit me nothing.' See yourself. Realize that you are right down to the end of this age. This thing is not going to go on this way, folks. That's all there is to that. In this thing getting it twisting up scriptures. I heard about that, too, trying to make it mean something else, trying to preach and teach that everything's.., that all the natural is gone, nothing else but spirit. Now that's not so. Trying to preach and teach that you have immortality as of now. That's a lie. That's not so. You can't prove it by no Bible. Why don't you try to reading sometime? Now that which is first is natural, then you take the natural... Yahweh made the natural things as He made 'em, so you could look at it and tell something about the spiritual things. Now if you're gonna do away with the natural, then you don't have nothing to explore from at all. Now it was said that you gotta get away from blood, water and spirit. Well now, listen here, let me tell you something. Now any idiot could see what I'm fixing to talk about now, just any idiot. You don't really need no sense. Now I'll show you what I mean. Now if you have to get away from blood, water and spirit. Yahweh is spirit. Then you let Yahweh be everything. Now that's stupid to get up here and make statements like that. Nobody don't think no more of you for making those statements like that. They see you're wrong, anybody that knows anything about the truth. You're not deceiving nobody but yourself. Now, I'm not mad, I'm sincere. And what I'm saying to you, I've always said things to you right direct to your face. I don't go downstairs and say something behind your back that I don't say to your face. Yahweh sent me in the world to preach to you just what I have preached. I have delivered it to you. There's nothing you can do with it. I don't care who you are, and where you are come from. And the Apostle Paul has said this, 'Though we or angel preach any other gospel to you than that we have already preached, let him be anathema or a curse.' Now that's the way it is. I don't care how long you been here, either. That don't make no difference, make a bit of difference. And I delivered it to you just as I received it. And there has never been nobody able to refute it, successfully refute and dispute with what we have taught in this school. And I want to tell you something else too. You don't know nobody, even in history, to say nothing about just walking around. You don't know nobody in history that has performed any greater miracles than Yahweh had did by this little
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black body that you see standing here on this floor. If you think you do, stand up. I'd like to take a look at you, and examine some of you. I'll go into it with you in fuller detail. And what I.., many things I have taught from this floor, presidents and kings and queens and popes have had to stoop to it, and bow their knees. That's right. There's no way around it. And any time I choose to, I'll tell you what's going to happen anywhere in the world. And you don't know nobody else can do that, but me. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. Dr. Traynham, will you permit me to say something without getting mad with you, I mean you getting mad with me? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now I say this by the way of edification. It's not by the way of trying to throw off on anything on anybody, because I've already done told you that I am not smart. I'm as smart as you are, and I'm as dumb as you are. Let's give Yahweh the glory. Don't nobody care nothing about you. Now this is what I want to say, and I asked his permission. I tell you this, because I said it behind his back. I said that he would have to come back down here and confess, him and Elfreda ____ ____, that he was wrong. Now he's not the only one that should have done that. That goes for my sons, both of 'em. Now, part of it wasn't his fault. I ain't going into that, but now he did come back and admitted to you that he was wrong. And listen, you just have to forgive the man, whether you want to or not. And if you feel like you don't want to forgive him, why then you have to go to hell. I'm giving it to you straight. And all this foolishness we've got, we've got to stop. Now the reason why I'm just as concerned as I am about it, is because you are right down now where you have a.., in a position now, at almost any time to receive the reward. I stood in the floor and told you that it would not be in 1975, as the Roman Catholics and Jehovah Witnesses, and the Church of God and others have taught. It wouldn't be that at all. Yahshua the Messiah will be revealed from heaven, listen, taking flaming vengeance on them that know not Yahweh. That's in the second chapter of 2nd Thessalonians. Now this is what I told him, what I'm gonna tell you about. And now I said to him, 'now, this is to you,' I'm talking about Dr. Wilbur Traynham. Now since he had made the statement just like I had said, while I've been standing here in the pulpit, many people have been healed. I've made all kinds of predictions for 44 years. Well, he didn't know nothing about 'em, he just heard about 'em. And therefore, he said he heard about 'em. Is that right, Dr. Traynham?
Wilbur Traynham: That's correct.
Dr. Kinley: I said, 'well now look, to let you know, I'm gonna give you one just for you. I haven't said anything to anybody else about it.' I told him what was going to happen within 24 or 48 hours, 48 hours or 24 hours that there would be an earthquake. Where?
Wilbur Traynham: In Istanbul, Turkey
Dr. Kinley: Did it happen?
Wilbur Traynham: Right on time.
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Dr. Kinley: You see that now? Now that one was for him. I, I could have told you about it, but I didn't. I have told you about many things just like that. I told you about when Pope John the 23rd would come off of that throne over there. I told you that Roosevelt would be nominated and elected the last time he run, and he wouldn't be in the White House one year from the day of his inauguration. Check your records. I told you when the Second World War would break out and every one of the nations that would go to war at that time. I taught it right in this school, right from the pulpit. I told you when Cardinal Stritch died and I was standing in the pulpit. I told you, 'He just drew his last breath.' Some of 'em got up and went outdoors and turn that radio on in their cars and it said, the man just died, just drew his last breath. Now look folks, as I said, now a man just can't do that. So you just don't need be giving me no credit for it. The reason why I'm telling you about it is, I want you to know that Yahweh does exist and it's not hard. There's a reason. And you don't know nobody that's told the history of the world 40.., for 44 years and told you anything. I told you about Julius Rosenberg and his wife would get the secret of the atomic bomb. And everybody said I was wrong. I just told you anything I wanna tell you, then go to this board and figure out and show you how it's done. I told you about the earthquake in Alaska and all those kinds of things.
Now last of all along that line, I want, I want to tell you this. Now my life.., I'm not well. Now my life, my life is staked upon what I am doing; in other words, when I was bed fast, they come into my bedroom before they went overseas. They had.., they didn't have no contacts. Did you have contacts?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: They come in my bedroom and asked me. Well, it looks like a, just a sightseeing tour. 'Will you be with us?' ' I will.' Now that was just really not me that was saying that. That was the same one that said it before. 'Certainly I will be with thee.' And that's what it is that's with 'em. Now folks, they know whether, I'll, I'll ask, I, I, I'm talking to those now that were on this voyage overseas. Could you feel the presence of Yahweh
Some Peace Mission Delegates: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: with you through that voyage. Yes, indeed. They knew I was there. The Holy Spirit, Yahweh. Yes, Yahweh is in my and in you, too. I'm not leaving you, leaving it out. So somebody says, 'Yahweh's not in me, the Devil's in me.' Yes, Yahweh has power over the Devil. You don't need to worry about that. Now, next thing I.., that's for that.
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The next thing I wanna get on is these charts. I wanna tell you about 'em. There isn't anybody in the world that makes charts for the purpose of God, the creation and the purpose of God, or the purpose of Yahweh like it really is. That cannot be done. Now you know what you would have to do in order to do that? You'd have to be able to create a man. You'd have to be able to create a sun, moon and stars; in other words, you'd have to be the creator in order to do it. Now, sometimes
people look at these and say, 'Oh that's wonderful, but I think this is wrong here. I think that's wrong.' Follow? Well, the thing of it is, to tell you the truth about it, Yahweh is not on these charts. These are just pictorial illustrations, and they're not professional at that. Now there isn't anybody setting under the sound of my voice that can pick out some things and show you. There isn't anybody setting under the sound of my voice that don't have sense enough to know that everybody in here has some skin on his body, all over his body. Everybody's got skin on their body, not skin like that. This tabernacle here, it don't have even have a top on it. Now I've got sense enough to know that that ain't the way it is, and you ought, you ought to too. Now, so far as the rest of it is concerned, you can't, you can't point out no direction of Yahweh. He's everywhere. Now, not only that, let's look at, some of you didn't get it. Look at this up in here. I'm talking about these veils in here. They had to put these veils in the outer section down there. They had put them veils in here to start out with. Now, you don't see no veils in here. You don't see none in there at all. I know what this is all about. I'm not that stupid. I know they're illustrations, and they're limited too. There's no life in nothing on these, on, on these charts. Now, I wanna tell you something else. Suppose you take Isaiah 46:9 and 10.
Dr. Harris: Remember the former things of old...
Dr. Kinley: Now, He's saying to Israel through the prophet Isaiah, He's telling them to remember the former things of old. Now, what were the former things of old? What Moses and them had said to 'em. Now, listen, coming right back to it again, so we can show you. Now look. Now we just got through saying, 'you got to leave blood, water and spirit,' and we went into that and that's wrong. Now then in Isaiah 8:20, He said, 'To the law..,' that's all back in here. Now, if you're gonna leave that and to the prophecy, Yah.., then Yahweh's made an awful mistake. Why don't you wake up? Then I heard about the names, saying the name wasn't Yahweh, it was Yah.
Now I, now, now the reason why I'm bringing these things up is I want to point, I want to show you how stupid it is. And you, any child of any age, just any idiot, you don't even need no sense to see that. You ought to be able to see what that is in a person. Now the third chapter of Exodus, Yahweh said Hisself what His name was. Now He ain't got sense enough to say what His name is? He ain't got sense enough to tell you what His name is, and here you know what your name is, and all that running around. You oughta be able to see what that is in anybody. Now folks, I taught you the truth. I gave it to you just like it is. And Yahweh has performed many miracles and all kinds of prophecies have been fulfilled. And I
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told you many things about 'em.
And I told you, 'if they didn't come to pass like I said, 'don't come back to this school no more, just quit.' And then, you're not going anywhere else in town and get what you can get down here. Both ways. Now that's right. ____ ____. Now I wanna make this.., I wanna make this clear enough for you with these charts and these, these illustrations. Finish reading that verse.
Dr. Harris: Remember the former things of old
Dr.Kinley: Remember the former things of old
Dr. Harris: for I am El
Dr. Kinley: for I am El
Dr. Harris: and there is none else
Dr.Kinley: And there is none else, there, there just really, really is no other. There are.., they just called God all by Himself. There is.., yeah, they have plenty of idols, but He said He was all by.., there wasn't any like Him. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: I am Elohim and there is none like me,
Dr. Kinley: And there is, there, there is none like me. Read.
Dr. Harris: Declaring the end from the beginning
Dr. Kinley: Now, right there. Now right there. There hasn't never been no idols that anybody ever has thought up or picked up, or no angels or nothing that has had the ability to declare the end right from the beginning. Ain't never been nothing like that. He said all by Hisself, the only one that do it. Now what did you bring that up for? Now the reason why I brought that up, He's El and now the El, I wanna put that in here, too. The El, that's an abbreviation, just like Y A H is abbreviation. Y A H is abbreviation for Yahweh. The El is abbreviation for Elohim. Elohim is a title, Yahweh is a name. Now, you've been taught all of these things. And you know anytime anybody gets up on this floor, I don't care where they come from, and try to show it any other kinda way, they're wrong. Now if you want to know where all this, that and the other comes from, I've asked you to read the preface in your Holy Name Bible many times. There's not a Jew, not, not a Jewish rabbi on earth today that don't know that Elohim, and Yahweh and Yahshua the Messiah is right. All the rest of 'em is erroneous. Now, even after knowing that, knowing the name is Yahweh, of our heavenly father, and he's got it right in the Masoretic text on one side, I got one too at the house, got the, got the Masoretic text, in Hebrew, now on one side and English on the other. And right under, right on his side of the page, where it says Yahweh, he's got...
Dr. Harris: Adonai.
Dr. Kinley: What?
Dr. Harris: Adonai.
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Dr. Kinley: Adonai right under it. He will not read Yahweh, he says Adonai. Do you see that?
Now look. Now He said that He declared the end right from the beginning. He said He was.., none like Him. No there wasn't no nothing, angels or nothing could do that: declaring the end from the beginning. Now what I'm talking about is the charts. And I'm talking about this stupendous revelation that was given me, and I've drawn it out in, in part to reveal the purpose.
Now, when you bring that back here to the beginning, Yahweh is pure spirit, invisible, or source, and then it's inorganic, then it's organized into an embodiment, spirit embodiment, which Moses could see in, in, in a vision. Now this would be the beginning of Moses' vision of the creation. Pay attention now to what I am saying, cause I'm trying to show you something that Yahweh showed me. Listen up. Now, this is the beginning of Moses' vision of Yahweh Elohim and the creation. That's what this is. Now notice each one of these plates ____ after the pattern. You have this Outer Court here, just like this tabernacle here has it. Here you have the Holy Place in here, just like that. You have a Holy Place, a Most Holy Place, declaring the end from the beginning. Pay attention, now. Pay attention. He, Himself, is the archetype pattern of the universe, that means this: that everything in the universe, it doesn't make any difference what it is. Every animate and so-called inanimate object and thing in the universe must point to Him. It doesn't make any difference whether it's the cell, the atom, just simply doesn't make any difference. Now then, here's what that brings me to. This is what it brings me to. It brings me to showing you that each and every one of these things, one is an analogy of the other. One corresponds and correlates with the other. All working, the beginning to the end. And Yahweh is the only one that could do that. Nobody else can do it. Everything in nature, it makes no difference what it is, it's got to do that. Now that's how He proves His own existence. He don't need you to prove His existence. You can't make Him any greater than He is and you can't make Him any smaller, belittle Him any more ____ ____ to do. There's nothing you can do about it. So now, the best thing for you to do is to, is to try to come down here and try to learn something and through the teaching. Don't, don't, don't, don't get up there and tell these people things that are not in the Bible, and things you can't prove. Don't do that, because if you do, it'll prove that you don't know. Now telling somebody that we have an immortal body now, it's not so. You have a physical body now. And that was read right there in the 15th Chapter of 1st Corinthians. Read it, Dr. Harris.
You have an eternal spirit, those of you that have the Holy Spirit. You have an eternal spirit dwelling in a physical or natural or a mortal body. You do not have an immortal body, an immortal body.
Dr. Harris: verse 51. Behold, I show you a mystery;
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: We shall not all sleep,
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Dr. Kinley: Now, behold, I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, or do what you call die and be hauled off to the cemetery. Alright. Read.
Dr. Harris: but we shall all be changed.
Dr. Kinley: Now everybody in here shall be changed. Everybody. And the reason why that change is coming up. And let's see if we can find out when it will happen. I think it's the second or third chapter. Third chapter. We want to find out when it will happen. Don't loose the place.
Dr. Harris: For our citizenship is in heaven.
Dr. Kinley: Our citizenship is in heaven.
Dr. Harris: From whence also we are expecting our savior King.
Dr. Kinley: from whence also.
Dr. Harris: our savior, King
Dr. Kinley: our savior, King, Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Harris: Who shall change our vile body
Dr. Kinley: Now, who shall change your physical or your natural, or your corruptible ____ ____, your.., who shall change, at that time. Now can't you see it's stupid getting up here telling somebody you're immortal now? You got your ages mixed up. That's what's coming up. Now, that spirit that's in this body, it will be clothed upon with an immortal body or an incorruptible body, when He's revealed from heaven. Read, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body,
Dr. Kinley: like unto his glorious body,
Dr. Harris: according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's it. Now do you see that? Don't teach that mess down here no more. Now listen, since Yahweh has declared the end from the beginning, the whole thing from start to finish is all over with so far as He's concerned, And it's all gonna happen just like He declared, but it's you that haven't, that didn't get it, that hasn't got to it yet. Now look. We tried to give it to you this way, there's seven days in a week. One day follows the other. There's seven weeks in a cycle of weeks. There's seven months in a cycle of months. There's seven years in a cycle of years. There's seven millenniums in a cycle of millenniums. You see that now? And each and every one of them, all of it, please pay attention, each and every one of 'em, one is an analogy to the other. Now maybe somebody don't know what I mean by an analogy. Now, get Isaiah 28:9 and 10.
Dr. Harris: Whom shall He teach knowledge...
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Dr. Kinley: Now, just a minute, Doc. Before you read that, I want you to go back and read what Yahshua the Messiah said about Moses.
Dr. Harris: John 5:45: Do not think that I will accuse you to the father
Dr. Kinley: Do not think that He will accuse you to the father
Dr. Harris: There is one that accuseth you,
Dr. Kinley: There is one that accuseth you
Dr. Harris: Even Moses whom you trust
Dr. Kinley: And Mo.., even Moses in whom you trust
Dr. Harris: For had you believed Moses
Dr. Kinley: For had you believed Moses
Dr. Harris: ye would have believed me
Dr. Kinley: You would have believed me
Dr. Harris: For he wrote of me
Dr. Kinley: Now, Moses wrote of Him. Now, before you come to school, Dr. Williams you didn't even know that. You haven't known it too long as it is. Now one person said, 'Well, yes, He might have been back there with Moses, so far as the spirit is concerned, but not the body.' Well, it's, it's, it's His lie, not mine. He said He was back there. He said Moses wrote of Him. Said Abraham, he was glad to see His day. The thing of it is, we and our little old carnal mind all wrought up, we're not able to see the possibility of Him being back there with them in the same body I'm talking about. Yahweh is a mystery. No question about that. You can't put nothing past Him. Isn't a thing He can't do. Now if He can change this one to an immortal body. He ought to be able to give you., well somebody said, 'now look here, did you ever read over here where the scripture says that I am Yahweh and I never change over here, Yahweh don't never change. Now He got it down here in the first chapter of John where the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we behold His glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Hung up on it. Say look, let me tell you this. Whatever.., well, let's put It.., got back ____ ____ cause this is what's wrong. If I can try to lay emphasis on this.
Ayah Asher Ayah, in order to make this Yah. Now, there's.., that's A Y A H. Now this is what it means in Hebrew, I will be. Now, that's what it means. This does not mean that this is Yah. That does not mean that that's His name. It means that He will be whatever He wills to be. And look Freddie or Luther, He's not changing. He hasn't changed at all. He was that in the first place. Do you understand what I mean by that? No, He didn't change from one thing to something else, He was already that. ____ ____ ____ ____. Whatever He wanted to be. That's what He was! Do you all understand what I mean by that? I mean He wouldn't change, He was already that way. A state of existence where He could be what He wanted to be, whatever that was. What's that all about. You read in the first, 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians verse 28th, look at it.
Student Body: All in all.
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Dr. Kinley: That Yahweh might be all in all. So now, whenever you are up here, just don't forget Yahweh is all in all, and we all don't know that. But don't you try to leave out the natural and run way over yonder and grab up something, cause Yahweh's all in all. Matter has it's source of derivative from spirit. That's where it came from, and that's where it's going to. Did you understand me on that?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Devil and all had its source of derivative. How about that? Do you all understand what I'm talking about? Anybody in the room don't understand what I'm talking about, hold up your hand; got any questions to ask hold up your hand. I wanna answer 'em for you. That's why I come down here sick tonight. And I don't mind even standing here and there, then, then preaching til I.., if Yahweh's will pass on outta here. It's alright with me. I'm ready! I ain't getting ready at all. I'm already ready. That's right. And my life is predicated upon that. And I am not gonna tell you no lies, one way or the other. And I'm not going along with no erroneous doctrine. And I don't care who you are, the least to the greatest. I'm chastising our president. And I think he should love me for it.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, if you think I'm deceived and I shouldn't be that way, then you let me know about that, and that's alright with me, if that's the way you think, but I'm still gonna tell you. That's what my job is, that's what I'm gonna do, as long as Yahweh lets breath stay in this body, and I'm able to get up here and have something to say. Alright. Read the verse about Yahweh being all in all.
Dr. Harris: And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
Dr. Kinley: Now Yahweh put all things under Him, and when all things shall be subject to, or subdued, or He has overcome everything, to the extent that ____ knowledge, that it is subdued. You understand what I mean by that? I'm using a word there. Alright. Then what?
Dr. Harris: Then shall the son, also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him
Dr. Kinley: Then shall the Son, Yahshua be subject unto Yahweh Elohim, who put all things under Him. What's that all about?
Dr. Harris: that Yahweh may be all in all.
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(also called: DETAILED EXPLANATION OF I CORINTHIANS 15)
Dr. Kinley: That Yahweh, now you see what, see what we have got there? That Yahweh may be all in all. That, that now, that derivative that's all that, that there is. But put it down straight. Put it down with an analogy. I brought this out so that you could see that He will be whatever He wills to be. I wouldn't think very much of it if He didn't have sense enough to tell you what His name was. Would you? I would think that you would be able to tell somebody what your name was, if you wasn't mentally deranged. Now I'm just pointing out this ignorance that these people have tried to get up here, and you should know better. No, I don't like it. This is, that's my job, is, is, is just keeping this thing straight. And as long as there's breath in this body, that's what I will do. And I will jump on anybody from anywhere. Now I try to be a diplomat about it. I hear a lot of mistakes that are made from one time to the other, but I don't say anything right away to you, unless you force me to. I have been forced to do that. Probabilities are some of you have remembered it, some
of it.
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A man come in here one time and he said that God had sent him to, to set up the kingdom of God on earth. Now, he forced my hand there. I said it wasn't so. He said I was a liar, but it still ain't so. ____ set up a kingdom of God. I've gotta know something about it. Now he has made himself housing. This is the house this man live in, that's a housing. You don't need no minister, no housing there do you? You already got one. This is spiritual food and why would you wanna go to washing yourselves out there ____ somewhere. ____ ____ ____ ____ learn something about it. All this old erroneous dogma. But these things have got to be, they have got to come to pass. There's no question about it. Now let me go back. I asked for Isaiah 28:9 and 10.
Dr. Harris: Whom shall he teach knowledge?
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen, this is a question asking, He says 'Whom shall he teach knowledge?' He ain't gonna teach nobody no knowledge that calls him a liar and says He don't know what His name is. Somebody says, 'Well, if, I'm hot about.., I don't like the thought of you jumping on me.' But I tell you one thing, the dividends will be great, if you would accept the chastisement now, rather than to wait til later, cause later, you'll have to like it and abide by the consequences. Whom shall He teach knowledge, and whom...
Dr. Harris: and whom shall he make to understand doctrine
Dr. Kinley: Now, whom shall He make to understand doctrine. Now Yahshua the Messiah said, 'My doctrine is not my own.' Now I want, I want you, I want you to follow what I'm talking about, cause I don't think that a lot of you know exactly what I'm talking about, cause I haven't explained myself sufficient for you to understand what I'm talking about. I'll, I'll tell you what I mean. Yahweh said this: I didn't say this. 'To the law and to the prophets.' That's what He said. Now He
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revealed to Moses the things that Moses wrote in the first five books of your Bible, Now, He revealed to the prophets what they wrote in conjunction and relation to everything that Moses wrote. In other words, listen now, it takes one, the law to confirm the prophets, both of them coming from Yahweh, one confirms the other, just like each one of these plates. Who shall He teach knowledge, and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? They that are drawn from the breast and weaned from the milk. Why is that? Because each and every one of these plates, one has got to be an analogy of the other. All of them are directed by the pattern, and He is the archetype pattern. The natural, the incorporeal, the invisible, all of it is that way. And when you read about the natural, that's what Paul said there in the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians; maybe you'd better read it again doc about the natural being first.
Dr. Harris: Howbeit, that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural and afterward that which is spiritual.
Dr. Kinley: Now I could turn that just to the opposite. I wouldn't be wrong either, because it's spiritual or angelic or being the spirit Himself was first, that's the reason why I said the first Adam and the last Adam, the first shall be last and the last shall be first. But what He's talking about is that which you have to use, the natural things, or the physical things, that Yahweh used to give to you to understand that what's first. That was first; that was before you. Now, alright there go back to Isaiah.
Dr. Harris: For precept must be upon precept.
Dr. Kinley: Now look here. Precept must be upon precept, because what you're doing, it don't make no difference now where you go, even from the beginning of the creation. Now that's what we have taught you. And anytime anybody else gets up here on this floor and teaches you anything else, he's a liar. And it's wrong, You can't start in the spirit and teach somebody something about something they can't see and know nothing about. You have to take the natural things and then bring it from there. Somebody says, 'Well, what does God look like?' He made the man in His own likeness and image, so that he could look at him and see how He is, but He made him a natural to reflect the spiritual, so that you wouldn't have no excuse. Now all these things Yahweh has revealed 'em to me. And I've tried hard to show you. I've been persecuted about it. I've been beat up, I mean bodily, bodily beat up to try to make me take it back. You can't do that. You can kill me, I, I, I ain't taking it back. Now you can begin to understand what I'm talking about? Now, we know that from the Day of Pentecost on down, they had that,they had the Holy Spirit. I would have you to know this, that Moses had the Holy Spirit back here. There wasn't anything new about a man having the Holy Spirit back there with Moses, before Moses. Enoch, the seventh from Adam had the Holy Spirit. Now how about that? And all the prophets, they prophesied with the Holy Spirit, but collectively, mankind didn't have it until the Day of Pentecost. And then, on top of all of that, the Holy Spirit didn't come and abide
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with you, or stay with you. Whenever he performed what the Holy Spirit had, had for him to perform, that's the reason why you talk about, hear them talk about the major and the minor prophets, little or much. Whenever he got to the end of whatever Yahweh had for him to do, there's where He stopped at, the Holy Spirit departed and he was like any other man. But, now, since Pentecost, He comes and abides with you forever, even in the ages yet to come. That's what He said. Now, if you don't think He said it, I'll read it. That's the 28th chapter of Matthew and the 19th and 20th verses. It's there ____ ____ ____ sit yourself right down here. And then we're ____ ____. That's why we come here. That's why I go back, pick it up and see Him back there. He's fulfilling here ____ ____, all through, all through. But you can't deny the flesh. You just can't do it. We don't walk after the flesh. Now you've heard me preach enough about that. We're not walking after the flesh again. We're not walking according to flesh. We walk after the spirit. We don't do the things that was under the Old Covenant, in that physical way of doing things. We don't do them that way. Just like you take communion or the, the Lord's Supper naturally so, pass it around on the plate; we don't do it that way. That's not the way it's supposed to be done. But you are the partakers of the Holy Spirit. Now what I'm doing, I'm ministering unto you spirit and you are partakers of it right where you're setting, setting on your seat. Just like you were partaker of this ____ that was passed around. You were a partaker of it. And you put it in your mouth and ate it that way. But now it's not passed around like that in the flesh. If the Holy Spirit is in the speaker and he speaks by the Holy Spirit, and you are partakers of that same spirit, that, that, that pointed to the spirit in the first place. There's nothing in your Bible about no Gentile eating no Lord's suppers. There's nothing in there about no baptisms, no water baptisms, it's not in the Bible. Now, anybody thinks it is, why look it up. Yahweh never said nothing to no Gentiles about being baptized in physical water in the history of the world. He never said anything about them eating no Lord's suppers, as the Jews did under the Old Covenant. The fact of the matter is, the Jews themselves are not under the Old Covenant now. He's under the New Covenant. He's a partaker of the Holy Spirit. Now what I'm really talking about folks is this: ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ in this mystery, in the natural, ____ ____ and then you have the Holy Spirit.
But now who's He gonna teach knowledge? Them that are weaned from this. That doesn't mean that the natural heavens and earth don't exist. It does. And you as a natural, physical man, you, that you are a partaker of the spirit in this present dispensation and age. Right? Now I showed you also that what's coming up next will be this, the change of your mortal or your physical body. You have an eternal spirit abiding in a mortal body. And anybody tell you anything else is a liar. That's what it is. ____ dispensation . It's got to ____ you ____ ____. And Yahweh declared the end from the beginning and ____ ____ . Dr. Harris Isaiah 28:19, 20. This is the only way that you know, this is the way Yahweh set the thing up. Read.
Dr. Harris: For precept must be upon precept.
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Dr. Kinley: Now look here. See this line here, precept must be upon precept. Precept must be and it must be that all the way through, from every animate and inanimate object and thing in the universe, it doesn't make any difference what it is. That's the way it's got to be. Precept upon precept. Now you get up and twist up something, try to make it fit. They tell me there's been some twisting going on down here too. You don't have to twist up nothing. What, what, what we, what we're doing is untwisting that which is twisted. No, you, you stay right down here where, where you belong at. Yahweh didn't do away with the physical. Precept must be upon precept, line upon line. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Line upon line. Line upon line.
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: Here a little
Dr. Kinley: Here a little. Moses in the law
Dr. Harris: and there a little.
Dr. Kinley: Over to the prophets and then on over to the fulfillment. To the institution and the fulfillment. And it's got to fit. Now here's what I mean by fit: as an analogy. You got to bring it up and blood here and water there, this is the pattern that dictates this. Now then, you've got to do that all the way, clear on back, clear on back into pure spirit, and then come out of there and down in the natural, now listen, and then on back into pure spirit again. That's the way you got to do it. Now, you haven't arrived in totality back into pure spirit. You have not arrived. Does anybody in the building don't understand what I'm talking about? Now look folks, I'm gonna tell you one more time. Each and every thing, look up here, that he drew ____ is like a ____. Now you can't get up off of this blood all the way down. You can't get up off of it clear on through here. You can't get up off of this water, clear on through. Now let me show you what I mean. The life of the flesh is in the blood. Is that almost right doc? What He gave in that He shed His blood, He gave His life. That's the blood, that's the, the, that, that, what's in the blood. The life of the flesh is in the blood. Living water. Don't you see you can't get up off that? It's got to go all the way through, clear on all the way through and on back into, into Yahweh Elohim. Now that's Him declaring the end from the beginning. You can't do none of these out of context. It has to happen. There's no way out of it. Now, that's the reason why Roman Catholicism and Protestantism can't preach the gospel.
And while I'm on it, I've heard that it was said down here that we haven't preached the gospel down here. Some old folks said it too. Well that ain't what they said before then. They said before then, it was, it was the place where the gospel was preached. Then when they got up and said that it wasn't.., the gospel wasn't being preached down here, he made his ownself out a liar. My job is chastising and I'll do it. Yes I will. I don't care who you are either. it don't make any difference. I'm indebted to you. I owe you that and I'm gonna pay my bill. That's all there is to it. And if I didn't do that, it would indicate or show that I didn't love you and I'm just like all the rest of the hypocrites and liars, if I didn't do it. No. If
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it wasn't true that Yahweh revealed these things to me way back there, if it was false, I'd of looked all of you straight in the face a long time ago and told every last one of you go to the lake, or go to hell or I wouldn't ____ ____ ____. No, indeed. I think that it's your indispensable duty to try to ____ the gospel, because you have been taught the doctrine. There's no question about that and I defy you to say that I've been lying to you. If I say something in disputation of what you are saying, I'm not gonna take it back. You can see me any time after this, any time after I go out that door. As long as breath is in my body, I ain't taking it back. How about that? Now, you can come and see me about this if you want to, but I ain't gonna take it back, and you are a liar if you try to fix anything about it too.
____ ____ ____ I don't care a thing about your credentials. That's the way it is. Now the reason I'm talking up here, Yahweh gave me a message to give to you and I'm gonna do it at any cost. I have said this. If my mother had been setting in the audience, I could not. Look here, if my mother were setting out in the audience I would have enough respect for her to tell her to get up and get out of there because I'm fixing to preach the truth. If I knew the truth would kill her, I would at least have enough respect for her to say, 'you better get out of here cause I'm aiming to preach the truth.' She disbelieves me and want to sit there and then she'd burn up.
Yahweh is real with me, folks. I'm not trying to make no mark in life. Nothing like that. I expect to be persecuted for what I say and if I wasn't persecuted for what I say, then there's something wrong with me, because the things that I say I say spiritually so, but I always use that natural to back me up. That's the way Yahweh did it. Now, it's about time for this service to close. Now does anybody got any questions to ask? I'd like to, or if you wanna dispute something, I'll take it, or if you wanna confess something, or say something other whatever, whatever it is, it is a privilege to do so.
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IMPORTANCE COMING TO SCHOOL AND BEING OBEDIENT
(also called: WHY BE CONSTANT AND REGULAR IN YOUR ATTENDANCE IN SCHOOL)
by Dr. Henry C. Kinley
7 PM
1040 South Grand Avenue
Los Angeles, California
audio tape received from Fred Allen Jr.
2 90 minutes audio cassettes
1978
originally transcribed by Mary Gross and Nola Jackson
1997
first proofreading: Bill Kennedy
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fourth proofreading: International Public Relations
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
(THE FOLLOWING TWO SENTENCES WERE MISSING FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR TAPE, BUT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT. THEY WERE PROBABLY LOST DURING TAPE DUPLICATION) Thank you ever so much. As usual I'm glad to be here before you.
Dr. Kinley: I would not have been here tonight had it not been important, I didn't sleep last night to amount to anything at all. And those of you that sat close and round about me this morning, you seen that I went to sleep in school setting right in that chair.
Now, I wanna tell you the reason why I didn't sleep. The reason why I didn't sleep was because there's a message that's supposed to be conveyed unto you, that you possibly might overlook or misunderstand or take it like you do some other things, which it is vitally important. I'm aware of the fact that these things are done, not purposely, but , because it's just simply that way. I'm gonna tell you in the offset in a way that you can understand about both of the things that I wanna say to you. And I want you to bear in mind, keep it in mind. Then I want you to be obedient to the things that I'm going to say to you. Don't just take it lightly, and
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go ahead on because it might not be so well with you.
One of the things I wanna say to you is this: be constant and regular in your attendance in school. Try to learn all that you can possibly learn. Try to understand all that you can possibly understand, because you need it. You need it to keep you steadfast, strong and not be removed from the faith. The scriptures say, now I want you to read the third chapter, I believe of Timothy. Either the first 1st Timothy or second, second, what's gonna happen in the last days.
Now that's one of the, the third chapter, now that's one of the things I want you to bear in mind. It don't make no difference how you feel. If it's possible for you to come, come here, 1040. 1 want you to bear that in mind and I want you to obey it. If it wasn't important, I wouldn't be standing up here before you now.
I'd like to say this to you too. It was questionable whether or not that I was gonna get to come to school tonight because every night they take my temperature. My temperature was up tonight and one, then Mary gave me some Tylenol. Then I took another pill that Dr. Harris prescribed for me. And 'if it's possible,' I said, 'I'm gonna go.' So here I am. I'm very weak. I don't expect to stand here before you long. And I wouldn't even be up here at all if it wasn't important, that I want you to take heed.
Now I've already told you about one thing. That's come to school, be punctual. Do all that you can toward getting somebody else to come. Somebody that don't know, your family, those members of your family that don't know, try to get them to come. Be patient with them. Be very careful with them and try to persuade them to come. Now the reason for that is because now, I don't know whether you paid attention to it or not, you can check, you can make your own statement. You don't have to answer to me about it at all. I told you that the Roman Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses and the Church of God, all of 'em were looking for Christ to jump down out of the sky, 1975. I told you that that would not happen. Now somebody would say, 'Well now he don't know what he's talking about. He don't understand what he's talking about. He's talking about something he believes, something he thinks.' Well, that part of it hasn't happened you know that. You don't have to question that. Believe it or not, you don't have to be, you don't have to be bothered with that. You know now sitting on your seat that it hasn't happened as of yet and this year is just about gone.
Now this time of year, we have usually what you call a Christmas program. And that's where the scripture was read as it was tonight. To call your attention to the birth and the life of Yahshua the Messiah. For now we're too far gone for that tonight because they've been reading that for a long, long time and they've got that all messed up too. They don't know how to determine the birth of Yahshua the Messiah. And then another thing I wanna remind you about, I wanna tell you about.
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I told you in 1961 that after we put this book out, they would be coming around to the place where they would begin to go back to the original Hebrew name of the Father. That's English up there on the board. But they would go back to it. Now I've got a lotta books around my house being recently copyrighted with the name Yahweh in it. New Books. And our work has been circulated all over the world. And this has come to the attention of many of the famous television preachers, the name of our Heavenly Father. Now I wanna tell you what's happened to them. Now because they have went on, I'm talking about Billy Graham, Rex Humbard, Kathryn Kuhlman, man down here in India, Oral Roberts, and many of 'em. Now they are very, very careful, very careful not to use none of them names. Even though they have been printed in the book and so forth and so on, even Jehovah's Witnesses. I told you that they would be coming up with this name. They never come up with it before, until they received our work. And so now then they know Yahweh is correct and still they're too stubborn and they say it's Jehovah. And yet and still right in the same book they say they know there's no 'J' in the Hebrew language - there isn't until yet, but it's Jehovah. It's the best English pronunciation of the name of our heavenly Father. Naw. That's the best English. That's English up there on the board not Jehovah. That's English up there, that's not Hebrew. You understand this one? Now what I'm trying to tell you is this: how man in these last days, even though they know and all of this information has gone out in all the world, they are reluctant to say anything about it, because they've built up a great following, and they're reputable ministers. And they think that they're gonna continue on that way and Yahweh will have to put up with it. Now what that really means, that means that they're opposed to you. Now the scriptures or the Bible says that they would be like that. Not only that. Not only that. I want you to realize this too. The Apostle Paul said, even among your ownselves, some of 'em would raise up and speak perverse things to draw away disciples after themselves. Did you know that that was in the Book? If you didn't, I'll have it read, cause everybody you have to really open up your eyes if you want to be saved. And you don't have no long time to be saved.
Now I told you about one thing in particular. Now I wanna tell you about another. One of the two things that I wanted to talk to you about. The second thing that I wanna talk with you about is this: that you have come down to the place in history and in time where you must be in attendance. It's urgent. It's important for you to be in attendance, regular attendance and listen to the gospel as it is being taught. And then when you do that with a sincere heart then Yahweh will give you some wisdom and knowledge and understanding. But until such time there won't be anything new. Now that's the second thing I wanted to tell you about. That you're right down to the end now where everything you can read about in the Bible is taking place.
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Now it's necessary now for me to repeat. I don't like repetition too well, only in a sense. Now here's the repetition that I'm gonna repeat it. Do you recall that the Roman Catholics that I told you since I've been standing on this floor, I want you to be mindful of it. There's 550,000,000 of 'em in 1961. Now they're looking for the coming of Christ in 1975, with them this year, the Year of Jubilee. Every 25 years. Now that's wrong. It should be 50. But now they were looking for Christ to come in 1975. Jehovah's Witnesses looking for Christ to come in 1975. The Church of God looking for Christ to come in 1975.
Now to repeat something else that I've already stated to you. I want you to take it home, think it over. I told you that Billy Graham and the rest of 'em don't use these names in their services, they're all out there every which way. Now I'll call this the second thing I wanna tell you about. I've touched on it, some of it. The second thing I wanna tell you is this...and then I'll go on. I haven't forgot that. And that is this. Now don't forget now, I told you the other fellow they believed He was coming in 1975. Don't forget that. And I told you that NO that won't happen like that in 1975.
Now the second thing I wanted to speak to you about is about the peace mission that Dr. Traynham told you about this morning. Now I'm fully conscious and aware, some will say this, 'Well they have already been over there twice what do they want to go back again for? I don't see no sense in it.' Now I know people will say that and I don't mean the world out yonder somewhere, that's not what I mean. I'm talking about in the school. Now here's why I brought that up and that is why I couldn't sleep last night. Slept off and on all night long and sat here as I told you in school this morning and went to sleep.
Now, this 24th chapter of Matthew is just as important as anything else in the Bible. Now if you're not, if you're not gonna believe that, then you might as well throw away the whole business.
Now it has been said repeatedly... I'll let you be the judge. Listen carefully to what I'm saying. Listen carefully. I have told you repeatedly for 44 years that I was the man that Yahweh sent in the world in these last days to teach you the truth. I'm the man. The only man. Now I know somebody'll say, 'now I don't believe that.' And, 'that sounds like a lie.' Well I got some news for you. Now here's the news I have for you. I wouldn't believe it my own self if Yahweh hadn't shown it to me. Yeah. I wouldn't believe it. But now this peace mission is necessary. Now they have told you, we have told you many times about how the high priest went in and out this sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. And he went in there three times in the Most Holy Place on that day. This is the third peace mission. Now from 1961 down until the present time, these true names have been circulated. They've gone over all the world.
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You can go in book stores now and just almost pick up almost any book and you'll find these names in them. Back there in '61 it wasn't like that. All of the preaching that you hear on the TV and the radio, I mean the television, none of them won't say anything about these names. I wanna tell you something else about that name too.
Over in Jerusalem or over in the Holy Land, they know that it's Yahweh. You won't find not one rabbi on earth, you can go right here in Los Angeles, right there on Wilshire Boulevard and ask them about these names and they'll all tell you that that's right. They have never been out of the Masoretic text. The King James put them in there, Lord, God and Jesus Christ. They have never been out of the Masoretic Text of the Bible, and in some King James versions of the Bible you'll find those names in the footnotes, in your King James version of the Bible.
Now, since we have now come to school, try to learn all you can. Give until it hurts towards the peace mission. Now if you believe.., now listen to what I'm saying, if you believe any parts of the Bible, and you think it's true, you will do what you can to help this peace mission, this gospel to be spread in all the world. Now since you, pay attention now, since you are the only ones that know anything at all in reality about the truth then it is imposed or incumbent upon you to see to it. You're the very folks that he's talking about in the 24th chapter of Matthew. You're the folks that it was talking about to carry this message in all the world.
Now listen. You know as well as I do you have religious confusion all over the world. You know you have ecclesiastical confusion or religious confusion, you know you have it all over the world. You know you have political confusion all over the world. They don't know what to do about political associates. You have economic situations and conditions all over the world. They don't know what to do about any of it. Ford don't know. Congress don't know, and the U.N. don't know. They just don't know.
Now what is happening is this: you've gotten down to the place where you have got to be diligent in your search, in order to learn anything. The Apostle Paul says this, prove all things, hold fast to that which is good. Now for me to stand up here and say something to you and then can't prove it, that's bad.
Now you don't have no long time to get straightened out. Some of us been in this school for a long time, haven't got straightened out yet. So don't you feel too bad about it. Apostle Paul says again in Hebrews that you should pay the most earnest heed to the things that you hear. Freddie go ahead and read it.
Fred Allen, Jr.: 2nd Chapter of Hebrews
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Dr. Kinley: I, I haven't forgotten. You ought to pay the most earnest heed to the, now he's talking to the Jews, he wasn't talking to the Gentiles, to the things that you hear. Why so? Lest at anytime you let 'em slip. Now some of the things that have been told you about this work you let them slip. Therefore, it's necessary for you to come back to school, catch it up, then when that happens, this is the next thing that happens, a root of bitterness springing up among you whereby many be devoured. Read that would you please.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Therefore we ought to give the most earnest heed to the things that we have heard, lest at anytime we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward....
Dr. Kinley: Now you're not gonna get away with nothing. Now you get that learned. You needn't think, to bring you back now so you can see what I'm talking about, these preachers because they know that the true name and they haven't been using them. And now they've found out about them. And now they're very careful about not using them. Now that don't mean that they've gotten away with something. Just don't mean that, Alright.
Fred Allen, Jr.: How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by Yahweh...
Dr. Kinley: Did you finish was you were reading?
Fred Allen, Jr.: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: We ought to pay strict attention to the things that you hear, lest at any time we let 'em slip, and then comes a root of bitterness. That's in there too. Up above there. Now, a root of bitterness springing up. Now somebody will come along after coming to this school, I'm gonna call your attention to it, after hearing these charts explained, primarily raised in this school, been around here a long, long time, come up out of the clear blue sky and say things against that which you have been taught. Now if you hadn't learned your lesson, you'd be carried away with it. Well I'm gonna tell you this. You're not gonna get away with it. You're not gonna get away with it.
Now that brings me to say one other thing before we have Dr. Harris read, and that's this. Now it was said that you'd have to get away from blood, water and spirit. Come up off it: blood, water and spirit. Now I just wanna show you how little the person understood about that, that made the remark that you're gonna have to get up off of it; in other words, they meant that you're gonna have to go on further than that, than blood, water and spirit. First let's see what's spirit. The third chapter of II Corinthians, I believe, the 17th verse.
Dr. Harris: Now Yahweh is spirit...
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Dr. Kinley: Now if you gonna get up off of that? Do you see that now? They say that's what you're gonna do. For Yahweh is spirit. Alright, what else?
Dr. Harris: And where the spirit of Yahweh is...
Dr. Kinley: And where the spirit of Yahweh is...
Dr. Harris: there is liberty
Dr. Kinley: There is freedom. There is liberty. You're gonna have to get up off blood, water, spirit. Now you see, you see what you're getting off of? Can you see how stupid the statement was? Now I've read it, I read it out of the Book. Right? Yahweh, not a spirit, but is spirit. That means that He's the source, He's substance, He's the essence, He's the limits, He's the bounds of everything, conceivable and inconceivable: every known and unknown object and thing in the universe.
Now people will say things like that for self gratification or try to teach you deep, carry you on down into the depths of things. That's what they call themselves doing. Not realizing that what you're doing, you're, making a mess out of it. Now the thing to do in this school is this, to make things as simple as possible.
Now I used to.., Dr. Gross can tell you, if you didn't have an education, although I never went to, no further in school than the sixth grade of elementary school, if you were not educated and I mean really educated too, you wouldn't know anything at all about what I'm talking about. Everything I said was scientific, highly academic. And they used to say to me, Dr. Gross and Dr. Harris and others, when this school was in its inception, they would say this, say, 'You just open the door a little bit so we can get our foot in.' Now what they meant was that I'd use words that they didn't understand. They had dictionaries, unabridged dictionaries. They'd go to the dictionary. So they'd ask me to use.., they didn't want their school, the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, to be second to none. Now they really wanted a real education. So when I used those words and all, they said, 'Well Doc, I tell you what I want you..,' Brother Fred Allen was one of them, say, 'well I want you to write something. We don't have no writing. We have nothing but the Bible.' I said, 'Ok, I'll write.' So I wrote. Listen now these things that I'm telling you about are important. You may not think so but they are, about 26 pages. And I explained these charts. And I brought it back to school, stood up before the class and read it. They began to look around at one another. Brother Bass was a very outspoken man. He said, 'Doc we don't understand what you're talking about.' Dr. Allen, you remember asking me.., am I, am I telling the truth about it Dr. Allen?
Fred Allen, Sr.: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: They asked me to take this manuscript back and break it down. I did. I had about 50 pages then. And I brought it back and I read it in school. They said, 'No, I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about.' And they asked me to take it back and break it down some more. And I told 'em, 'No.' I worked for a living and the Insurance Company was going to put me on the road. I wouldn't have time to do it. So then Dr. Gross took it over, or somebody in the school, to Wittenberg University. That's a Lutheran University. The dean over there, he took a shot at the first page and he didn't get out of the first paragraph before he closed it up. And he told Dr. Gross that he was real sorry about it but he just didn't have the time to do it, to break it down. Somewhere in the ____, Dr. Gross told him this, that I was a sixth grade scholar. And then he told Dr. Gross, he asked him if I was living, 'is he around?' Said, 'he's in Ohio. He's due here on the 18th.' He says, 'well the reason why I asked you is I want to come down and meet that man. I wanna meet that 6th grade elementary school scholar that's got all these highly academic words and scientific words. I want to see that fellow.' Well when he came down, and Dr. Gross told me, he said, 'Well he wanted to come down here. He wanted to see you on account of the manuscript.' Then that took me to Ohio. So then that afternoon, now you talk about speaking. Give him the same words that were in the manuscript. He said, 'Yes, that's, that's him.' What the man probably thought, I didn't say he did think this, what he probably thought was a group of us had gotten together and wrote it for the school. He said, 'Yes that's him.' Said, 'he sure is a highly educated man, got a real good education.' Well that same afternoon, I spoke, I told them that there was going to be a war in Korea, and the United States would be involved. And some of the members of the press was there. One of 'em was some relation to, indirectly, relation to Dr. Gross was there, ____ ____ I believe his name was. Well he didn't have anything to say about it. But now this is what they said. Said, 'Yes, that man is educated and he's smart but we don't think he knows what he's talking about when he says there is gonna be a war in Korea within the next 60 days.' And the reason why I said sixty days was, I went to Springfield one month. The next month I was in Cincinnati, and so I said sixty days and I would be back here within sixty days and when I get back here they would be fighting. The press said that that couldn't be so. The United States is not in a financial position to extend the war or go into a new war. They're not in a position. So when those 60 days were up I come back to Springfield. The press was there. Now if my memory serves me right, my brother Bob tried to tell you about that while ago. So they took me down to the "Springfield Daily News Press." They set me down and they just gathered around me, ring around me and my brother, and they asked me a lot of questions. They asked me, how did, how did I know that there was going to be a war in Korea. How was I able to determine that with the scriptures? I said, 'well, it's a long drawn out story but I've got a question I wanna ask you, how did you know that there wasn't going to be one?' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Well, the reason why they wanted that, is because they wanted to put a write-up in the papers. So the write-up in the papers was just about three or four
lines: "Biblical Orator Claims to Possess Knowledge of How to Forecast Wars." That's all they said. ____ ____ my name.
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Now the reason why I brought all of this up is because you have been with me some.., for many, many years. And being with me for many, many years you've seen a lotta things happen just like that that I have told you about through the years. Now listen closely at what I'm telling you. As Dr. Traynham said, well said this morning that he saw. Now they're asleep. They're pretty wise, they are. You just continue to come and study and then accept what you read. Don't try to fix it. Don't try to fix it. Just leave it alone. Now there is mistranslations and misinterpolations in your Bible, we fix them. Now are you following me closely in what I'm saying to you? Now that was a war that was in Korea. I'll ask you the question: Was there a war in Korea?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ You didn't know me at that time. Now in the Second World War, before that time on a Thursday night I told them. We didn't have but one chart. That's this one right here. This is the only one we had. The rest of 'em we didn't have in Springfield, Ohio. I told 'em about the Second World War and I told 'em everything about it. The nations, which nations, and that one and the other one would go to war. When the war and all would be terminated the nations involved and everything. Am I lying, Dr. Gross?
Dr. Gross: No.
Dr. Kinley: Well, when that war broke out, now I'm in Cincinnati now, setting up in Cincinnati in my office, working for Wright Aeronautics Corporation. And there came an announcement on the public address system, 'Shut the whole shop down.' Nobody did work, just set down, there would be an announcement from the White House on the public address system. Truman would be announcing the end of hostility, and the document was signed at sea. They shut the whole shop down. Everybody set down. They didn't have to be hiding from the boss, they just set down. And there was a fellow that belonged to the school, he's setting right back there too. He set around, waited for a while, nothing came on the P.A., public address. Here he comes up to me in my office. Remember he was a student of the school now. He says, 'Well Doc, is this the day that the war will be over?' I said, 'No, they just might as well go on back to work. It just won't be today.' 'Is that so?' I said, 'Yes, that's so.' Now he didn't try to dispute and argue with me. Dr. Allen would you mind standing up? Am I lying?
Fred Allen, Sr.: No, you're not.
Dr. Kinley: That's the man I'm talking about setting there. It wasn't over. Now you can go get your history books and look and see. Now I had told you, remember I had told Dr. Gross way before it happened, that there was gonna be a war, when it was gonna break out, who was going to be involved and so forth and so on. Talking about the attack on Pearl Harbor? Said, 'no, Chinese, Japanese wouldn't jump on Peking.' ____ ____
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Now here's what I am trying to tell you. Here's what I'm trying to tell you. The things that I tell you, don't you let nobody else come along and tell you something else. I've had 44 years, going on 45 years experience with this.
SIDE 2:
(THE FOLLOWING 2 SENTENCES WERE MISSING ON THE TAPE, SINCE IT WAS THE END OF SIDE 1. IN TAPE DUPLICATION THEY WERE LOST ON THE LEAD TAPE.) I know what I'm talking about. I'm able and capable to prove it.
Dr. Kinley: There hasn't a major event that's happened in the world that I didn't tell this school about it, before it happened. That's the reason why I say I don't have to prove my ministry. I don't have to worry about it. I don't go home and sweat and carry on about it. I go on home and go to bed and go to sleep.
Got one more I wanna tell you about, then I'll move. The reason why I wanna tell you about that is because in conjunction with what the man said this morning, I'm talking about Dr. Wilbur Traynham. He said, 'these charts reveal the purpose of Yahweh when you understood them, and you wouldn't be jumping up trying to resentful or disprove,' which he said. I didn't say it now. He said it. He said that he had tried that. Did you hear him say that?
Audience: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: I wasn't asleep then. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now here he is, he done come back to school. Lotta these things that I taught you folks through the years he knew nothing about. Now the man's back in school and I said to him, 'Now since you're back, a lotta these things you don't know nothing about; such as people being healed, the things that I did and what you call prophecy and predictions is being fulfilled and taught in this school, but now I'm gonna tell you one that's gonna be just for you,' to Dr. Traynham I'm talking about. Now Dr. Traynham, if I'm lying I'd appreciate it very much if you'd get up and tell me to my face right in school that I'm lying. If I am, if I am lying I want you to do that. So now here we were. We were over in Athens, Greece, and the Greek Orthodox Church, Antigorus was head of it, was not in Greece. The Greek Orthodox, head of the Greek Orthodox Church was not in Greece. He was in Constantinople or Istanbul. Now I didn't know that David was with him, Little David24 that went overseas. And it would be nice to mention something about that school over there, too, after that boy has gone on over there. David was with him.
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I told Dr. Traynham, 'Now this one is going to be just for you, and if what I tell you don't happen then my advise (advice?) to you is for you to get back out of this school as quick as you can and drag everybody out that you can get out.' I said, 'Now there will be.., this is for you.' Since I had predicted a lot of them, about many things, which many of the people who's been in this school for a long time know about. I said, 'Now there's going to be an earthquake in Istanbul within 48 hours. It will be in there within 48 hours. Now if it don't happen like that then you get out of this school.' There he is sitting right there. I said, 'Now this one's just for you.' I didn't know Little David was listening too. So within 24 hours there was an earthquake in Istanbul. And everyone of you had the privilege of reading it in the newspaper. I said nothing about it in this school. The fact of it I was confined to bed when I told him about it. Am I lying Dr. Traynham?
Wilbur Traynham: No, you're not lying.
Dr. Kinley: Did it happen?
Wilbur Traynham: It happened.
Dr. Kinley: Now the reason why I brought all that up, I know what I'm talking about whether you understand it or not...
Audience: Right.
Dr. Kinley: On these charts. Now if Yahweh had not shown me, alright let's say it this way, if He didn't exist and hadn't shown me, I wouldn't know no more about it than anybody else. I don't have nothing to boast and brag about on my own. I told you I never went to school. And incidently I noticed that Yahshua the Messiah didn't go. They say, they lied on Him, they say He went to school, now I side with Him. Now read Dr. Harris, I'm talking about such time as now present.
Dr. Harris: Third chapter of II Timothy.
Dr. Kinley: Third chapter of II Timothy.
Dr. Harris: This know also....
Dr. Kinley: Now while you know so much about everything else, Timothy, know this too. Read.
Dr. Harris: That in the last days
Dr. Kinley: That in the last days
Dr. Harris: Perilous times shall come...
Dr. Kinley: Now listen does anybody have to tell you about that?
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Audience: No
Dr. Kinley: All the many different churches that you find around, all the unemployment that you find around, all the hypocrisy, murder and everything. It presents a perilous time. Is that right?
Audience: Right
Dr. Kinley: Alright. Now Paul is telling Timothy way back there about, now you know this, a perilous time are co... How did he know that there was going to be a perilous time? How would he know? Now here's how he would know. I got it, I got it up here. I can tell you something too. Was because back here before the flood a perilous time happened. A dangerous time happened. Old man standing out there preaching 120 years. And if you think there was only eight people back there, you're mis.., you're sadly mistaken cause he preached unto the four corners of the earth, the then populated earth. And then there was a whole lotta people with him, went along with him. But when it got right down, when he got right down to the day of parting, he didn't have nobody but him and his family. Now then that's, listen just listen, at this time now is a repetition. I ain't gonna have nobody but me and my family. That's all. Alright Doc, read.
Dr. Harris: For Men shall be lovers of their ownselves.
Dr. Kinley: Now men shall be lovers of their ownselves. I'd like to tell you something in a way that you wouldn't forget it. Up, up here, but you might take it in the wrong way. I just won't tell you in that way. I'll tell you this way. And you believe me when I tell you. I don't care what you think of yourself. How important you may think that you are. Your opinion of your ownself, it makes no difference about how much money you got. Don't make no difference at all. The world don't care a thing about you. Now the reason why I said that to you is to keep you from coming up here on this floor and making a ass out of yourself. They don't care nothing about you. They didn't care nothing about the Messiah. They didn't believe Him. They didn't believe Noah. Now why should you get some kinda thought in your mind and get up on this floor and think somebody is going to be carried away with you. And all of them that would be tempted to be carried away with you, they will fall. Why? Because there's nothing to stand on. They themselves.., as Yahweh said, as I live, saith Yahweh, to me every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess Yahshua to the satisfaction or to the glory of Yahweh. You're gonna have to do it. Now it ain't gonna do you no good at all getting up here saying things about this, these charts. It ain't gonna do you no good.
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Now let me give you one. It was stated as we've already stated, you have to move off of blood, water and spirit. Now we had read that what spirit was and there ought not to be anybody in this book, in this, in this class, or out in the streets for that matter, that have just, just a fraction of a sense to see if you come up of (off?) it and Yahweh is spirit and He's the sum total of everything. And if you're gonna come up off of that you haven't nothing to stand on. Now this is the tabernacle. This is Him transfigured, the tabernacle. These vessels that are set in there they haven't changed. You can't take this and put it over here and this over there. You got to set where He told you, as Dr. Traynham told you this morning. Even those that constructed this tabernacle, even though Dathan, Korah, and Kor.., Nathan, Ibram, Dathan, Korah, they disagreed with him because they were master builders and Moses just... They weren't up there in that cloud with him. They didn't see it. Moses drew a line, said, 'now who's on Yahweh's side get over here, who's on their side get over there.' And the earth just opened up and swallowed them up, that's all, them that were contrary.
Now that's all you're gonna get out of this. Now I want you to know this. This is not my work. I have never had sense enough to do nothing like this. And it's a little late now. I'm old and what the folks call senile. Don't have good sense, if I didn't have it back there in my youth I wouldn't have it now. And I'll say something else about that too. This might help some. Now people just get old, and they do get senile. Now I'm 80 years old, subject to senility. Well look, I can't get this outa my head. I can't get it outa there. It's in there to stay. But now listen, the folks that I'm trying to teach it to, they can get old and senile and slip up, but I can't. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. I can't do that. And I ____ straight just like it was. And for 44 years now, call you back, for 44 years things that I have been telling you about many times have been fulfilled. This school has been blessed whether you appreciate it or not. Somethings are hard to say. It's hard for me to stand up here and tell you, just like Yahshua the Messiah went through those three and a half years, until He got right down to the end of it, and after He got down to the end of it, which He hadn't done before. In the 23rd chapter of Matthew, He said, Woe unto you scribes and pharisees, you hypocrites, you won't go in yourself and you won't permit anybody else to enter in. ___ ___ ___ And He went on to tell them about devouring widow's houses, is that right?
Audience: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: and for pretense making great long prayers and all that kinda thing. And their hypocrisy, and then he finally said something, now how can you escape the damnation of hell. There's no escape. So now.., you all sick of me now?
Audience: No.
Dr. Kinley: Finish reading there, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: For men shall be lovers of their ownselves.
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Dr. Kinley: Now I'm telling you don't nobody care nothing about you. They don't give a tinker's damn about you. So ain't no need of you getting all stuck up in your self and get up here and try to be against Yahweh. They didn't care that much about Yahshua the Messiah. They hung him out there on a tree. But listen folks, now get this straight. Don't forget this one. These things must come. And if they did not come then this school would not be right. It's just got to be this way. The wheat and the tares have got to grow together. Got to get right down to the end before things will be exposed. Now then, don't forget now, Solomon put it like this, Rejoice, 0 young man and walk after the imagination of your heart but while you 're doing that, don't forget for all these things Yahweh will bring you into the judgement. Now, proceed.
Dr. Harris: Covetous
Dr. Kinley: Covetousness
Dr. Harris: Boasters
Dr. Kinley: Now wait, just wait a minute, now you got the word covetous. Covetous, that means the desire to have something that belongs to the other fellow that's not your own. Therefore, the law says thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not covet what? Thy neighbor's wife or his ox or his ass or anything else that belongs to him. Now here you've got it over here, the Apostle Paul says, covetous. Covet what? The best things. Desires. He didn't say thou shalt not covet anything ____ ____ ____. How about that. Read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Boasters.
Dr. Kinley: Boasters. Now somebody wants to boast that they know more about this than I do. You can't do that. All you're doing is just, some simple minded somebody, they may follow you on off someplace, but when it's all said and done, you're gonna have to do it either sooner or later. You're going to have to get right back up in front of this class or in front of Yahshua, the throne of Yahshua and bow your knees and confess. So you, you're not getting away with nothing. I want you to realize that. Alright.
Dr. Harris: Proud.
Dr. Kinley: They're covetous, they're proud, they're boastful. Now, I'm boastful. I boast in Yahweh and He backs me up. And don't you jump on that thing cause if you do I'll get you. And listen here folks, I am not gonna do it. I just might as well tell you about it now. I ain't going to set around here and see the devil come in here and drag off somebody. I ain't gonna do nothing like that. So now you be very careful about what you say. Now if you wanna pull out, if you want to go somewhere, cut out, but you let the rest of these sheep alone. And when you think you're gone, you haven't, cause it'll catch up with you just as sure as shooting. Ain't that right Dr. Traynham?
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Wilbur Traynham: That's right. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: Now he said that's right. Now let me tell you something about myself. In 1936 I went off and went to Cincinnati. Said, 'well I won't have to be bothered with that no more.' Dr. Gross and a bunch of them in those days in Springfield, they went on home and set down. Then the preachers out of the churches which they attended, the Church of God there, they said, 'now we'll get 'em back.' But before I went to Cincinnati this is what I told 'em. I said, 'every last one of you who understand what I'm talking about, you'll die just like I leave you if you never see my face again in the flesh,' I said, 'them that understood now.' And that's just exactly what happened. Every last one of 'em that's ever been in this school and understood what I've said have passed and gone. You know what I mean by passed, don't you? They died right that way. And every last one of you that understands what I'm talking about, you'll die just that way, if you are not living when Yahshua the Messiah is revealed from heaven. There's nowhere else for you to go. Now...
Dr. Harris: Blasphemers.
Dr. Kinley: Blasphemers. Now, for you to get up and speak against this and think that it's my work, that's open blaspheming. You may think you're hurting me, you ain't hurting me. I see that it's impossible for you to understand, that's the way I see it, unless Yahweh reveals it to you, you can't understand, Everybody been sitting under the sound of my voice had the privilege this morning, if not this morning, you have in your lifetime, of seeing the sunrise, seeing it ascend or reach its zenith in the sky, seeing it go down or set. Everybody in this building. Everybody breathing breathe, and alive. You read the story about His disciples come and steal Him away. He was the Son of Yahweh. You never, now you know today, you know today by the sunrise... Yahweh put them things out there the invisible things, put them visible things out there for you to understand the invisible things. Then when you read down there His disciples came and stole Him away, He was the Son. You know that's got to be a lie. Why? Because can't nobody come and steal the sun away that's out here. Even though you weren't back there. Somebody will say, 'Well how do you know?' Well you understand, you understand how I put the thing together? That's the reason why it works like that. Somebody will say, 'oh, that ain't right.' Say, 'the earth moves around the sun.' 'Yes, it sure did.' When He was in that tomb, there was an earthquake, and it moved around the Son. Yes sir. I tell you, this is something that you can't do nothing with. Now let me say this, let me say this. Now as it was said, Dr. Harris also said it, Yahweh said, To the Law and to the Testimony, if they speak according, not according to this word it's because there's no light in 'em. Now you oughta be wise enough, not to get up and speak against it, cause you're telling on yourself. You're telling to everybody that knows something about it, you're telling on yourself.
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Now somebody says, 'Well why go to the law and why go to the prophecy?' Now that's what Yahweh said I didn't say it. And when you go to the law and to the prophecy, now you follow me, now pay attention to what I'm saying. Just like He told Moses to build this tabernacle, to put the blood, water, spirit and this whole thing is line upon line, precept upon precept, line upon line all the way through. Seven steps in here, in this tabernacle. Now I'm going to try to prove this by you and me. I have been telling you ever since you have been knowing me. Since somebody said, you got to get up off of blood and water and spirit. Ever since you have been knowing me, for the most part, I told you that water baptism was invalid in this present age. Haven't I told you that?
Audience: Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: Haven't I told you, you might read that too in the 9th chapter of Hebrews. The water is out ____. The blood of bulls, goats, and heifers is out. It never has been in, in order to be out. Now do you understand? But what this pointed to was the blood of Yahshua the Messiah. That isn't out. And that water that run out of His side or out of His sanctuary, that was the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh. That's not out. You may be but that isn't. And it's never gonna be out. It reaches all the way back to Adam and through all generations. Now if you would take it by the pattern, you got your blood, and your water, and you have the spirit there and the door or the concrete. Now I didn't say nothing about them things, Yahweh said it. I told you I don't know how many times, and all of you have seen me debate it, that physical water baptism wouldn't do you no good whatsoever. It would not wash away sin. And you have read in the Book, have you got it there, that the blood of bulls, it's the 9th chapter of Hebrews, I think it is.
Dr. Harris: For if the blood of bulls and of goats and heifers and ashes of a heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Yahshua, who through the eternal spirit
Dr. Kinley: Now just a minute. Now He wasn't just a man, as a lot of you might think of Him, just a man hanging out there on the cross. It wasn't like that. No. Unh-unh. It was through the eternal spirit that He offered Himself to Yahweh without spot. And Yahweh had to accept that cause the eternal spirit that was incarnated in Him that was Yahweh Himself. How much more is He sanctified to the purifying of the flesh, but He didn't raise up, at that time, never done nothing for you back there then and up here now. What it did do was just simply pointed to Him as being the sacrifice that Yahweh prepared.
Listen folks, now that makes me say this to you, that makes me say this, them people over there that follows Mohammed, Elijah Mohammed, he never died for nobody. And if he had, it was not acceptable. It would been the same as Moses had died. It wouldn't been of any effect. John the Baptist was born with the Holy Spirit and he did die. It never helped you a bit. That's the reason why I don't believe in running around arguing about Mohammed, the honorable Elijah
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Mohammed or Elijah back yonder, or Moses or none of the rest of 'em. Yahweh had only one sacrifice. And all the rest of 'em sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldst not but a body has Thou prepared for Me. Then said I, lo I come in the volume of the Book as it is written of me to do thy will 0 Yahweh. Listen now, He taketh away the first. What's that for? That He might establish the second. Dr. Harris, would you mind reading that? Now look here folks, you can just read these things over and over and over and over again, just over and over til you get so you can repeat 'em by memory and still miss the boat. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: Hebrews 10:5
Dr. Kinley: Hebrews 10:5
Dr. Harris: Wherefore when he cometh into the world, He saith sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears
Dr. Kinley: Do you see that? Now do you see that? They were offering up bullocks. Now Yahweh said so. That wasn't His, that wasn't His desire. Teach you a lesson. Sacrifices and bull offering thou wouldest not. Listen folks, but a body in which was flesh and blood. And I'll say that to say this, Yahweh has never been crucified, has never hung on no tree. Never will hang on no tree. And Yahweh is not flesh and blood. Yahweh is spirit. Did you understand that? Sacrifices and burnt offerings from Cain and Abel on down through all this. Now look folks, I have taught you this. Now for somebody to get up and say that it's out, as if that I had taught you that it was in. I ain't never taught you nothing like that. Anybody that thinks I have, stand up, I'd like to see you. Now for you to get here in front of my friends and say water baptism or the blood and water is out, the spirit is out, you're inferring that I have been teaching you that it is in. And I never taught nobody nothing like that in my life, for I'd rather suffer chastisement than not to tell you the truth. I have chastised a lot of folks.
Now you're really not talking to me. And don't you go making light of Yahweh's testimony. Now another thing was stated that the kingdom of Yahweh or that the kingdom of God, as some say, is not being taught at 104025. Now that's a lie. It is being taught at 1040. That's all that's ever been taught. Now when you say it isn't, then you're inferring that all I've been teaching you is full of lies. Well then, you want to know the reality of it? I never taught you nothing. I'm not capable of teaching you anything. I'm not qualified to teach you anything and neither is none of you. The Holy Spirit is the teacher. And I mean, do mean, He's the same teacher that's taught all the way through.
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Now I have something else I wanna say to you. If the true kingdom of Yahweh has not been taught at 1040 or in this school then you are a fool to have put some money in the first peace mission. And that means you're a bigger fool to put some in the second. And a still bigger fool to put some in the third. Now I'm here to tell you, and you don't never hear me talking no whole lot about no money, I'm here to tell you, you are the prophets. You are the people that's responsible for carrying what Yahweh has revealed to you to the world out here. The rest of it is not acceptable.
Somebody will jump up and say, 'You think you're the only one that has the truth.' They said the same thing to Yahshua the Messiah and He was the only son of Yahweh that was manifested in the flesh. You've got to watch against all of these things. Now I'm not saying what I'm saying here to belittle anybody. Yahweh forbid that I do that. We need every last one of you. And I've already tried to persuade you to ask and to try to get someone else to come and to listen to this vision. And we refuse, we absolutely refuse, you be the judge, we'll let you, for the first time and the second time, get up on the floor and speak contrary against this work. We'll let you, we'll suffer that in order that you might see that what Paul said there, in the last days even among your ownselves, so you can see for yourself. We'll suffer that. And we'll put you right back up on the floor
(THE FOLLOWING TWO SENTENCES ARE INAUDIBLE ON THE TAPE. SOMEONE SEEMS TO HAVE SPOKEN OVER THE STATEMENTS) and you'll have to apologize for it. If you don't see fit to apologize for it,
Dr. Kinley: you want to be stubborn and hot-headed about it, you'll go to the lake. Now I said that so you can understand it. Cause if you didn't, and as Dr. Traynham said this morning, you won't, you can go right down here to the library, search all you please, You won't find nothing line up like this here. Now I guess you've had just about enough of me.
Audience: No, No.
Dr. Kinley: But read where you were reading, Dr. Harris. Now I'm showing you now after all of these sacrifices, after all, from Cain and Abel on down, all the sacrifices and offerings... Yahweh created creatures, His of course, and He requested this as a.., in other words He ordered it. They were a substitute.
Now Billy Carroll sent me a paper, a advertisement slip piece of paper and it has "Yahweh," an advertisement in the paper. And it says that Yahweh was a substitution for God. That's wrong, That's just exactly backwards. And it's not a substitution for God, it's a substitution for Lord. It's wrong. Now look so you can see what I'm talking about. And out of all the human beings that's ever been on the face of the earth, that includes the prophets, those that did have the Holy Spirit, every last one of 'em, wasn't any of them acceptable as qualified. Yahweh wouldn't accept the sacrifice from none of them. He prepared a sacrifice, a body. And He came in that body. Do you see that now?
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So then, if I know anything, that's gonna make me see that none of the animal sacrifices that were offered up in that sanctuary, not a human being on earth, nothing that's ever been in the world or out of the world would be acceptable unto Him but His own Son. Do you see that now? That's all. He won't accept nothing else.
So for you to go out here and call yourself following Elijah Mohammed, following Henry C. Kinley, we profess him too, following Freddie Allen and Bob Harris, Wilbur Traynham or anybody else... Now Paul did say this, follow me as I follow Yahshua the Messiah.
But now sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldest not but a body has thou prepared for me. Then said I, lo I come in the volume of the book as it is written of me to do thy will O Yahweh, He taketh away the first. I'll read it. Is that what's written in that Book?
Dr. Harris: Yes sir, yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: Now look at this: 550,000,000 Roman Catholics; look at Jehovah's Witnesses; look at the Churches of God all over the world. Now it says, He takes away the first, all of the natural, every bit of it. Now here's the Pope over there
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meddling with that which was under the first covenant, passover suppers. I heard the bell. Water baptism. All of the natural, everything. He takes it away that He might establish the first that you... Now listen folks, on the Day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Jews. Seven years later on the Gentiles, Hebrews, that you might walk in the Spirit. Do none of those natural things, as a service unto Yahweh. Because He's taken them away. And if you're gonna continue to do them, you don't believe the scriptures. You don't believe the prophets of God, you think it's going to continue on.
He said He come in to fulfill it, to take it out of the way, that He might establish the first. And then that promise, I'll say this and I'll sit down. That promise that was made to Abraham that in his seed, He would multiply his seed as the sands of the sea, as the stars of heaven.
Now listen folks. Listen close so you can take this home and study it. Now if He's going to multiply his seed as the sands of the sea and as the stars of heaven. Now the Jews, they think that they are the seed of Israel. Now there is not 15,000,000 blood, Jews in the world. Now would you call that a multiplication of the sands of the seas and the stars of heaven?
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Audience: No sir.
Dr. Kinley: Something wrong somewhere. See that now? You can't say Yahweh made the mistake. But listen here. The whole family of heaven and earth is all called by the same name. Yahweh makes no difference between the Jew and the Gentile. He never has had anymore respect for the Jews than He has for the Gentiles? Never? He said, I repeat, Yahweh hasn't had anymore respect for the Jews than for the Gentiles. All of then (them?) are called by the same name. All are the sons of Yahweh. He makes no difference between them.
Now listen folks, all that you can see... Now don't jump up and say that the heavens and earth have already passed away. Don't jump up and say that cause that's not so. Yahweh did declare the end from the beginning and with Him it's Him running His course, but with you it is not. So don't you go trying to jump off out there into the ethereal space, and try to take something that you can't see, can't touch and can't taste, can't.., and try to fool some.., the people who see nothing of it. That's why Yahweh made everything as it is. That's.., listen, you have a mortal or physical body and an eternal spirit, if you are right, dwelling in a mortal body.
Now what's coming up next is He's going to transform this body into an immortal body. You do not have an immortal body now. The scriptures read this, look, He only hath immortality dwelling in the light which no man can approach. He is the fore runner and He ended it all in the same age. Yahweh gave Him that acceptable body.
Now your body is a vail for which be the Holy Spirit. You follow what I mean? So you can't make any exceptions.
Don't forget folks. Don't forget. I want to see this place filled up. I want to see it filled up all the time run us out of this building if you possibly can. No sense in us going overseas preaching to somebody over there when we have people to preach to here, If you believe the truth, then I hope and trust that you've gotten something out of what I had to say tonight. I hope it has benefitted you some. The Holy Spirit prompted me to tell you as the end approaches in your life that this peace mission that they're all getting ready to begin then the gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world before the end comes. Yahweh help us all understand that the gospel of the kingdom be preached in all the world. And as Yahshua the Messiah say, peace.
Jehovah's Witnesses and Roman Catholics, if they had preached it in all the world the end would have already come. But they haven't preached. Somebody haven't preached. Okay, I hope you've gotten something out of it.
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