1) SPRING, 1964: THE DAY OF THE LORD
1) SPRING, 1964: THE DAY OF THE LORD
by Dr.Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
recorded by Dr. Carl F Gross on reel to reel recorder
transferred to 1 90 minute and 1 60 minute audio cassette by Gerry Rothstein
CATALOG #: 64 DL
Transcribed by Anne Mastropaulo
Proofread by Susan Ameigh, Gerry Rothstein and Michael Rothstein
Proofread and Approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
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Dr. Kinley: Thank you very much. I'm indeed happy and glad to be here to talk with you about the things that are coming to pass that is written in your Bible. Now I'd like to say beforehand, some of you have been with me in school for many years, many years. And, you have heard me expound the scriptures. Some have become angered at me for the things that I've told you out of the book, but, nevertheless many of 'em have returned to say, 'well, I'm sorry I have discovered my error and I apologize.' And some of those people are here tonight. That are looking me in the face.
Now I brought that up for this reason. Ever since 1957, I have been trying my best to caution you all along the road trying to tell you what was going to happen. And, I told you according to the scriptures. It didn't look like that I knew what I was talking about because many would say, 'well now that's not the way I see it.' Well I already know that. It wasn't the way I saw it either, until God showed me.
And so now I want to talk with you about some pin points tonight along the line. As I told you I'm fixing to, in the very near future, to go back to the state of Ohio. And, I want you to continuously bear in mind the things that I have been trying my best to convey to your heart and mind which you have now had the opportunity, you've set right up and experienced: for example, I'll call attention to one. I told you before February the 4th, 1962, about the conjunction of the planets and it would bring earthquakes and it would be, the sea and the waves roar, and the weather would be fluctuating, such as not known to man. Now somebody would set out there for the first time and say, 'well, now he don't know what he's talking about.' But I can prove that by you setting in your seat, whether this is your first or last time. It's been that. Is that right?
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Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, I told you that there would be a reflection on the 10th day of April, 14th day of April, I did say. I told you about that before it come to pass. And, that reflection was.., manifest itself in the depths; in the waters. That Thrasher (Thresher?), that sub, did it sink on the 14th day of April? Now someone setting out there would think, 'well now he don't know what he's talking about. Now I don't believe that stuff.' They don't realize that I'm getting these things out of the Bible. Now I told you about the earthquake, cautioned and warned. Now that was on the 14th of April, or the 10th. It was the 10th of April, that that submarine Thrasher (Thresher?). Now let me, let me say this to you. Now this is what I was looking at. That lamb down in Egypt was drawn out of the flock on the 10th. I did not set that day up, and was slain on the 14th, ate on the 14th. Now one year from that day, good Friday, as it is called, I mean on the 27th. Now if you reconcile the difference between the civil year and the sacred year they would both be on the same day. Now when Jesus Christ was crucified out there on the cross, that day, good Friday, as it is called, there was an earthquake. Well now, nobody nowhere, call your preacher, teacher, deacon what have you, has paid any attention to them signs that come down on those days. There's always got to be a reflection. Every year there's got to be some kind of a reflection. Why? Because God is accurate and operates the same way all the time without any changes. His purpose must come down through the dispensations and ages that way. Now that's what makes up the history of the world, that's what makes it up. Now I brought that up so you can see, so that you could understand and, you might as well get ready because we'll read some of this out of this Bible. And I told you cause I have some magazines, some papers and every thing to prove it to you. And then when you see it happen or come to pass, you not knowing the scriptures as Jesus said, and with all of the false prophets and hypocrites preaching that you got out here in the world, that the world is wondering after they don't know nothing about it and consequently neither do you. And you walk right into it. Listen, into the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. Slip right up on you. All of these signs and things that's postscript in your Bible, they're just standing around and reading them with no understanding. You don't know what it's all about. Unless somebody that God has sent tell you something about it. And then when somebody God has sent tell you something about it you say, 'that's not so.' 'Why did you say that?' 'Because it's not the tradition of our respective churches. We disagree with you.' True they do. 'And I've been raised to believe certain things.' That's what they say to you and so forth and so on, down the line. And so goes the world and overlook these things.
Now I want you to read, I want you to take the second chapter of Thessalonians, the second Thessalonians the second chapter. Now I've been telling you about this and putting the pressure on ever since 1957. Dr. Freddy Allen, if you are not busy or someone that's not busy, please put this 4004 and bring this down to 1960, 1963, 1963, 1964. Now whoever has Thessalonians I want you to start reading there when I call for it. Now I don't wanna call for it now. Now here's why. Now just like I told you about those repetitions and reflections which is already set up in the book. I did not set 'em up. So don't say that I made a prediction, with the understanding that I made it (get the point) not talking about
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when I say, I ain't talking about Henry C. Kinley, not talking about that. And you've heard me say many, many times, many times. Now we're not out here to play. This is not the place to come to have some fun. And this is not just a tradition or a custom meeting out here. So since that's the way it is as people do we want you to get it out of your mind that that's what this kind of a meeting this is, because it's not that. You'll have a long way to figuring down, I know that you do but, we'll, we'll have to take this off of you. So you just get this chair or get something or if you're not busy there and get something, so if you set up to this board cause I want to figure. I want to read, I want to read the magazines. I wanna I wanna read the Bible. I wanna read everything. And I wanna put it right down where you can get a hold of it. And I'm telling you what to look for, where to look for it. And don't you start no arguments with me. As far so I'm concerned it's up to you whether you believe it or not.
Now ____ here spoke about the coming of Christ, that there was none with him to help Him. I don't want to go into a long discourse on that. You, if you heard it, read it out of the Bible. Now that's the way it is. Now when He come along, this is what He done. He was fulfilling what Moses and the prophets said. Or He's fulfilling the law and the prophets or fulfilling the scriptures. And He said that one jot or one tittle of it should in no wise pass until it was all fulfilled. Is that just about the way it is in the book? Now the things that He's done, everything He done, leaving out nothing, was a fulfillment of the scriptures. And while I'm on that I'd like to tell you this. In those first 5 books that Moses wrote all the whole entire purpose of God on down through here was declared. When Moses went up in the mountain the first time he had seventy elders with him, Aaron, Nadab and Abihu. I, even I painted it up here. It says there in the 24th chapter of Exodus, and the 9th and 10th verse, they saw the God of Israel. They saw Him in a vision. Isn't that in you Bible? Now John said, 'no man has seen God at any time. No, you'll never see God with your physical eyes at anytime. They didn't then and you won't after a while. But they saw Him in a vision, the God of Israel. Now God is Spirit, Spirit is inconceivable and there is no where, where it is not. So you don't have no opportunity of getting outside of God. For in Him we live and we move and we have our being. Now you've heard about the 2nd coming of Christ haven't you? Everybody has. Well now when Moses went up in this mountain and saw this and the elders, Moses, the rest of them come back and there, there remained, Moses remained in the, in the mountain 40 days. Seven of them days he saw the vision of the creation. And the other 33 days of it: I wonder if you can understand me if I make this upwards, this is the real first Adam up here and the last, that's the beginning and the end, this is the beginning of the creation of God. Now in order to get that over to you, Freddy, I'll tell you like this. God is spirit and He just, God just took on shape and form. And they saw Him in a vision. That's an incorporeal, not a physical. And that same God who is Spirit taking on this form that was made come on down and took on a physical form, that same God walking on among men. And made them statements that I just told you. Now then, I'm trying hard to get you to see. Now Moses entered within that cloud, which symbolizes entry into Eternity, or carried as Paul puts it, 'I came to visions and revelations. I knew a man about 14 years ago that was exalted or lifted up to the 3rd heaven where things impossible for a man to utter.' The thing was, which was with Moses. So that was all within this cloud. Now look, within this cloud Moses sees the vision
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of the creation of heaven and earth. That's not this cloud, this cloud was a burning fire when the heavens and earth came in. When Moses saw the vision of the creation within that cloud. Don't get out of the cloud, stay in it.
Man: Hey doc. Hey doc. What if I plan here to leave and 'be baptized and I shall be saved.' Get me out of that. Will you?
Dr. Kinley: No, I can't digress, I'm preaching a special sermon because I'm fixing to go away.
Man: Okay go ahead, go ahead.
Dr. Kinley: This is a special meeting.
Man: I was going away, going away. I just ask you to help me.
Dr. Kinley: Okay, okay. Well now look. Let me say this to you.
Man: I'm with you
Dr. Kinley: Now if you just, just study
Man: Okay.
Dr. Kinley: cause I'm struggling with all that's in me here,
Man: I'm with you doc.
Dr. Kinley: Yes I'm struggling with all that there is in me.
Man: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: And I realize my insufficiencies. It's not of myself, it certainly will have to be of God.
Man: ____ ____
Dr. Kinley: And we wouldn't blame anything to anybody.
Man: That's why I asked you.
Dr. Kinley: I know it. Everything's alright, but I'll be right down there to talk with you.
Now, stay within this cloud. Now if you stay within this cloud, I'm talking about this cloud that led Israel out of Egypt. That cloud, that cloud was a burning fire at night in the eyes of the children of Israel round. And remember, please remember that I told you then Moses saw the incorporeal form, sees the figure of the tabernacle, and sees the figure of the incorporeal form, he sees the creator. Now
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if that's the way it come in, that's the way it will go out. I wanna make this thing clear. Now that's the creation of the heaven and earth during these 6 days. And on the 7th day He rests, called it the Sabbath. Now the people have got the wrong understanding about the Sabbath too. With God there is no Sabbath, because you are in this Day of Eternity. Now watch how the Sabbath fits in here now. Then you'll see what I'm talking about. I told you that Israel was camped around this mountain and they were looking at that cloud and it was a pillar of fire by night and it was a cloud by day. Now when they come out of Egypt they brought supplies that they had. And when they got in the region of Mt. Sinai, I just try to tell you in a way that you can understand, their supplies became diminished. And they begin to quest with Moses, crying, 'you bring us out here to starve to death.' There wasn't no industry out there, there wasn't anything. But they had to follow the way the cloud went. And so then, God gave them manna from heaven. Are you listening now? And God told them that they could gather that manna 6 days. But the 7th day first knowledge of anybody anywhere had of the Sabbath, but to take on the 6 day they had to gather enough to do for the 7th. Now Israel looking at that cloud hanging over that mountain and gathering that manna for 6 consecutive days. And in that cloud there and that day that they couldn't gather it on was the Sabbath. And that day Moses saw nothing in the cloud. Now Jesus talking about that, He said the Sabbath was made for the man not God. Now who do you know know that.., He said He was Lord of the Sabbath. And on that 7th day saw that cloud, Israel saw, on the same day that they couldn't gather manna. So therefore, they said, the Lord sanctified and hallowed the Sabbath. And He rested on the 7th day.
Now that what Moses said in the 2nd chapter and about the 4th verse. These are the generations, now you listen at me, of the heaven and earth in the day which the Lord God created them. Not the days, not 6 days. But, during the 6 days that that cloud hovered over that mount and Israel watched it. Those are the 6 days. But within the cloud that's the Day of the Lord, that is an eternal day. It has no beginning, has no end. Then what happened after this? Getting back around to show you what I'm trying to get you to see. Then by him seeing this incorporeal man, or this vision of Christ creates the heaven and earth; in other words the heaven and earth generate from that man showing them 7, those 6 days and on that 7th He rested.
Now listen now. Listen. Now then if this man, which is the first Adam, generates the heavens and the earth, then the Adam that He creates on the 6th day, that's got to generate from him, the generations of the human race. And them other 33 days that he was up there he was writing down the pedigrees and the genealogies. Giving you their names, bringing them on down, that the Lord God was showing Him. Now what you got, you got the generations of the heaven and the earth, then you got the generations of the generations. Did you get that? During them 33 years, 33 days. What did you say 33 years for? Now what are you talking about, 33 years or 33 days? One day with prophetic time is one day for a year. So this other 33 days that he was up there that is what happened. Now I'm talking about the 1st time he was in the mount. Then when he come down out of the mountain the first time carrying the tables of stone, he threw them down and burst them because, now somebody says, 'he broke the commandments.' I beg your
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pardon, he broke the table of stones. Because all of Israel had built that golden calf and was worshipping that calf. Is that right? Now God said, God told him you better go on down. God knew what was going on down there. But I, I got to teach that. Now that's the first, into the first 40 days. Then he takes the tables, the tables of stone and went back up in the mountain. Stayed up there 40 more days. And then he comes down, that's the 2nd time that he had been in the presence of God. Well now there wasn't witnesses up there that time, but to prove that Moses was in the presence of God, he was transfigured and his face was, his countenance was changed, and he had to put a veil over his face.
Now that's pointing to what I'm trying to tell you now. That pointed to the 2nd appearance of Christ. And at His second appearance, your glorification, your transfiguration, your change of your physical body to a glorified body like His. Now did you see how I tried to take just them first five books and show you that Moses was in the Day of the Lord. The whole purpose of God was ____ there. Now did you see it there, did you see it here? Get it. Now you see that. Okay.
Now then at the 2nd appearance of Christ He will not appear in the flesh, never anymore, that's over with. ____ ____ too, the 70 elders and the heads of the tribes. Now when He, Jesus comes, because it was that way back there, then He had to choose 12 men, if He's gonna fulfill that, ____ ____.
Now He just wasn't going along, doing something aimlessly. He wasn't establishing nothing, it was already established. You get the point? Now, I want you to look now to verify and to confirm. Now this is what I'm after, showing you. You'll recall that I said that this, within that cloud was a Eternal day. 'A day that had no beginning, had no ending. Hadn't started yet, and hadn't ended yet, because it don't have no starting place, it don't have no ending place. That is the day of God or the Eternity of God. Now have I made that clear? All that God has purposed in His purpose is going on, within that cloud, right now, I'm talking about tonight. Now I want you to look at II Peter the 3rd chapter. Keep your mind, keep it pinned right up there. Remember I told you that this cloud was a pillar of fire by night and then when it was ordinarily night, the evening and the morning, that was the first day. The evening and the morning was the 2nd day. Now when John on the Isle of Patmos caught up in that same cloud, it was that same incorporeal form as he walked around with Jesus, taking off the flesh out on the Isle of Patmos. He said now, he heard the 7 thunders utter their voice, he was told to write, but He told him not to write that. Why not write that? You have a record right there in the 1st chapter of Genesis. Write this not for the time is at hand. Ain't that what it says. That's the 10th chapter of Revelations about the 4th verse.
Now then, being caught up in the Spirit, John, and looking back he sees the same thing. Now why does he see the same thing? It's because he is preserved to confirm what Moses has seen. Now Jesus come and fulfilled it. John sees it in the vision out there to confirm what Moses has seen. Now that takes your Bible from Genesis on over to Revelations whether you know it or not.
Now what I'm after is showing you that we're still in this Day. All that God has declared, the end from the beginning, just taking place as of now within this cloud.
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TAPE 1 SIDE 2
Now I'm talking about, not after a while, now. Now Peter is looking at, II Peter the 3rd chapter and this is what he says about it. Read somebody.
Reader: But the day of the Lord
Dr. Kinley: Now that's the 2nd chapter of Genesis the 4th verse. 'But the day of the Lord, 'and now He's got 2nd Peter 3:10. 'But the day the Lord.' That day that never had no beginning, never had no ending. All that God has purposed, it takes place within that day, or within the eternity of God. Now when that gets complete, all of that ____ ____, that's the day of the Lord. And don't forget now He is up there within that cloud. He appears, is seen, He's in, He's in that cloud.
Now look and listen, please listen. The Bible is not just written for some good reason. Jesus ascended on a cloud. The children of Israel came out of here on a cloud. When Christ raised from the dead, men that stank.., that slept in the dust of the earth rose and went on into Jerusalem. And there was, and Paul looked at it and this is what he said in the 12th chapter. 'Wherefore seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses laying aside every weight and the sin that doth so easily beset us and run with patience the race set before us looking ever unto Jesus who is the author and the finisher of our faith.' Is that in your book? Read on, Dr. Harris.
Reader: but the day of the Lord
Dr. Kinley: but the day of the Lord
Reader: will come as a thief in the night
Dr. Kinley: will come as a thief in the night. Remember I told you the evening and the morning was the first day. The evening and the morning, no man can.., John looked at it on the Isle of Patmos, he said, 'I don't see no night there.' While he ____ ____ ____, Now Peter is saying, 'the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night.' That's what Peter's saying. Alright read,
Reader: in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise.
Dr. Kinley: In the which the heavens that Moses seen, God created the heavens and the earth shall pass away with a great noise. And now if it came in that way in that cloud, eternity. You and your scientific observation knowing all about the atomic molecular structure of the universe. You think you know so much, get the point? It's only just time. It's an amalgamation and conglomeration of atoms and molecules. All those together that's what I mean. It's a coring mass. Makes up spin with centrifugal force out in the boundaries of space and the sun flew off here, and the moon yonder and the stars yonder, ____ ____. Now you haven't gotten nowhere at all, you don't know what happened unless you go back here. The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night in which the heavens shall pass away
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with a great noise.
Reader: and the elements shall melt with fervent heat...
Dr. Kinley: and the elements shall melt with fervent heat...
Reader: the earth also.
Dr. Kinley: the earth also.
Reader: and the works that are therein...
Dr. Kinley: and the works that are therein shall be burnt up. I just got through telling you that that's the way they come in in that fiery burning. That's the way they will go out in that day and that's what Peter is looking at. You see that now? Read on.
Reader: seeing then...
Dr. Kinley: Seeing then, if it's revealed to you, then, seeing then, what?
Reader: that all these things shall be dissolved
Dr. Kinley: Seeing that all these things shall be dissolved. That is to say in the dissolutionization ____ ____ or the disintegration. All of these things. Seeing that. Then don't you put too much stock in that tabernacle and in that penthouse, cause it's gonna be dissolved. You put your faith and trust in God and watch diligently and carefully for the approach of the Day of the Lord because if you don't it will come upon you as a thief in the night. Read on.
Reader: What manner of persons ought you to be
Dr. Kinley: What kind of persons ought you to be, what manner of persons ought you to be. Backbiting, lying, hating one another. Is that the kinda folks you oughta be? Read.
Reader: in all holy conversation
Dr. Kinley: in all holy conversation, and what else?
Reader: and godliness
Dr. Kinley: and godliness
Reader: looking for
Dr. Kinley: looking for. You should be looking for it. Looking for what? Read.
Reader: and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God
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Dr. Kinley: and hasting of the coming of the Day of God. You see what I'm talking about, all right, read on.
Man: I love you, doc.
Dr. Kinley: Alright.
Man: I love you doc.
Dr. Kinley: Read on.
Reader: wherein the heavens
Dr. Kinley: Wherein the heavens
Reader: being on fire
Dr. Kinley: being on fire
Reader: shall be dissolved
Dr. Kinley: shall be, not maybe but shall be dissolved. Read.
Reader: and the elements shall melt
Dr. Kinley: and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. All right, go right on.
Reader: Nevertheless
Dr. Kinley: Nevertheless
Reader: we, according to His promise
Dr. Kinley: Nevertheless we, that's you and me, we look forward to that according to His promise. Now when He was there in Matthew 24, 'heaven and earth shall pass away but My word shall stand.' Those ____ on fire, we look for a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. Now John on the Isle of Patmos, he said, 'I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away.' He's looking for it to go out. 'Wherein dwelleth righteousness.' But said, 'I didn't see no temple therein.' He didn't see nothing of the Vatican. Will now somebody get insulted about that. Said, 'you don't go down to my religion.' Now look, the temple that was builded in Jerusalem by divine specifications, he said he.., I don't see that either. So if you wanna get insulted about the Vatican, you don't see this temple either cause He said it would be torn down, and it was torn down too. Get it? Well why didn't you see it? It's because the Lord God and the lamb, they was the temple of it. This is the temple of God. Know ye not that your body is the temple of God, and it's not made with hands either. Realize there's stones in that building so said Peter. A royal priesthood and a holy nation, ____ ____, you know what I mean. A Holy nation.
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Yes, I do have to bring all that substance. I haven't got started yet. Read on. Nevertheless, we, according to His promise, look for a new heaven and a new earth. Read.
Reader: wherein dwelleth righteousness
Dr. Kinley: wherein dwelleth righteousness
Reader: Wherefore beloved
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore beloved as you ____, wherefore beloved,
Reader: Seeing that you look for such things
Dr. Kinley: seeing that you do look for such things
Reader: be diligent that
Dr. Kinley: Now don't be just kinda halfway unconcerned. And now coming up with, 'it don't makes no difference with me and so, and so, and so, and so, and so. I know what I wanna do, I'm 3 times 7, I'm grown.' That's what people say, you know what they say as well as I do. Be diligent, be earnest, be sincere, be careful. Don't walk backwards like that, all nonchalant, how you talking about psychologically as well. Read children, read.
Reader: that you may be found of Him
Dr. Kinley: That when that day of the Lord does come, that you may be found of Him.
Reader: in peace
Dr. Kinley: in peace
Reader: without spot
Dr. Kinley: without spot
Reader: and blameless
Dr. Kinley: and blameless. Now that will do from there. And blameless. Now here's why I brought all of that up. In as much so then, as you look for the Lord, and you ought to be able to discern Him in each one of these tabernacles at Pentecost. God Almighty knows that you should and you will have to, that's all there is to it, discern the devil in there. It's got to be Christ or the anti-Christ. That means you and me and everybody so don't get sore. Take your medicine. I have to take mine. Now when I say that I mean this. It's my job telling you even to cut your head off, whether you like it or don't like it. It's my job that's what I was sent for.
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Man: Is Anti-Christ in me?
Dr. Kinley: How's that?
Man: See the Anti-Christ in me?
Dr. Kinley: Do I see the anti-Christ in you?
Man: Yea.. I love you
Dr. Kinley: Oh, I'm not arguing that point. No,no.
Man: If you see it in someone I want to know
Dr. Kinley: Know.
Man: Is the anti-Christ in me?
Dr. Kinley: I said now, look let me repeat my words. Heretofore. I said that we either got to be, that goes for me, you, everybody, every preacher on earth. We either got to have Christ, the real Christ in us or else we are of the devil or the anti-Christ. Now that goes for everybody. We don't wanna throw off on nothing or nobody.
Man: I'm a preacher Doc, I wanna be saved. I wanna learn something you said.
Dr. Kinley: I've tried my best to convey to you, pay attention to me. Now if I personate you,
Man: I ____ off.
Dr. Kinley: if I personate you,
Man: Whatever you tell me
Dr. Kinley: If I personate you,
Man: ____ ____ ____. You don't bother me
Dr. Kinley: I put my own self in
Man: I'm with you doc.
Dr. Kinley: I put my own self in. And I'm talking to everybody in here and all everybody out in the world, I'm talking to them, with no respect of personalities. I told you I was sent to preach the gospel and no man go forth at his own expense,
Man: There ain't nobody out there then that can get up there and talk.
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Dr. Kinley: Now let's go on so we can follow the continuity of thought because I'm trying to get down to it. Now we talked about the Day and the coming of the Lord. Is that what we talked about? So you can follow. And the reason why I'm so concerned about it now I'm talking prophetic. Trying my best to show you that, that day, or that day which you are looking for is right on your heels, in fact you're in it now. Therefore, in other words, be more circumspect, I'm trying to show you. Now that day of the Lord there in Peter. Peter said this, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day. Well now you got these 6 days of the creation. Each one of 'em is equal to 1000 years with the Lord. Now if you take your Bible and you go back over here to the first chapter of Genesis, being the very best chronologist you can find. You take the first chapter of writing and it appears to be read in the King James version of the Bible it'll tell you 4004 B.C. That means 4000 with B.C. means 4000 and 4 years before Christ. Well I'd like to inform you, there's no such thing as before Christ. ____ ____ ____ ____ to tell the truth about that. And to tell somebody that ain't right. His name should be called Emmanuel (Immanuel?). Emmanuel by interpretation is God with us. Now the Pope can't see God walking around in Egypt or God with us. They can't see that. They said, 'look show us the Father, that it might suffice us.' 'Have I been so long with you, show us the Father, when you see me you see the Father.' Now when He spoke about the temple or the ta.., the building up there, they thought He was talking about, I mean when He was talking about His Father's house. They thought He was talking about their temple sitting over there. Well He says 'in my Father's house is many mansions if it were not so, I would have told you.' 'What'd you lie for.' 'We were 46 years in building this temple and how sayest thou that you'll raise it up in 3 days?' Listen, Paul said, 'now without controversy,' now there's no need of no argument or debate about it, 'great is the mystery of God. God was manifested in the flesh, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, and received up into glory.' The same God was manifested right there. Paul said to Peter, said, 'God was in Jesus Christ reconciling the world.' Now the thing, watch this point. Now watch, cause I have to come down and get down here some ways so I can show you what I'm really driving at in these books and these magazines. Now Jesus when He come along, everybody knows that He chose 12 men. Reason why He chose them 12 down them..., cause of them 12 sons of Jacob and 12 orders of angels. It was foreordained and one of them was the son of perdition, Judas. Now that is when you can see it in principle, here's is where I want to get to you now, the meat of all of it. Just like they had to or should have discerned God in that body there or and discerned Judas being the devil. Now He said, 'one of you shall betray me.' He said, 'Lord, is it I?' And that had his seat right up, right there beside Him sopping in the dish. Now they had done some complaining about Peter always, John always laying up on His breast both of 'em, young men. And this time there sat Judas setting right there sopping in the dish right with Him, sopping right in that dish with Him and so I don't have time to go into a whole long story bout it. Now here's what I'm, the thought I'm trying to get over to you: if Judas in the end of this age, (Freddy fix this up for me,) now this is the crucifixion. If Judas had to be shown up, had to be there and had to be shown up, the devil is cast out of heaven before that end of that age. Now we come down to the end of this age. Now Paul wrote an epistle to the Thessalonians, and he said in that first epistle of Thessalonians in the 4th chapter and beginning with the 16th verse. The Lord Himself shall descend
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from heaven with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first. They would come alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the cloud. Wherefore, comfort one another with these words. Gonna meet the Lord in the air. Now here's what I'm trying to get you to see now. Now, he wrote that first epistle and they get upset, they didn't understand it. And so then write back the 2nd Thessalonians he had to write again. Now look, that they could not repeat, in other words, it can't be so, that Christ will be revealed from heaven. That cannot happen until this what I'm telling you about happens first. That's the thing that I've been telling you about ever since 1957. Now read.
Reader: Now we beseech you
Dr. Kinley: Now we beg you, now we beg you that the thing has to repeat all over again. The Lord cannot appear, just can't happen until that same old devil is right down here with God manifested in the flesh. Now you are the Son of God, all of us are sons of God. Now ____ ____ ____. Now before that can happen that same devil, that spirit that was in Judas. That same devil that deceived Eve back here, deceived Israel ____ of the children, fooled everybody, has got to appear, got to be here. Now your job, coming back to what I was telling you, your job is discerning all around, to discern. Just like they asked the question when Jesus was born, the
angels sung, peace on earth, good will toward all men.' And Herod said, 'Where is He that is born King of the Jews.' He was born King of the Jews. Now He was born not of flesh and blood, He was born of the spirit of God. Now right here is the Son of God. Where is the son of perdition? And I told you, you have to be just one or the other one. No dodging, and that goes for everybody. Now read.
Reader: Now we beseech you brethren
Dr. Kinley: Now we beg you brethren
Reader: by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
Dr. Kinley: by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now we've been talking about the coming. We've been talking about it today. But now Paul is telling the Thessalonians that misunderstood that epistle and thought that He was just going to appear right then just after the ascension. But that day shall that, you better read.
Reader: And by our gathering together unto Him,
Dr. Kinley: And by our gathering together unto Him. Read on.
Reader: That ye be not soon shaken in mind
Dr. Kinley: Don't be shook up, don't get shook up too soon, be shaken in mind. What do you mean by that? Well God given it the devil. I didn't say the devil had it, I said God gave it to him. And if you don't think that I'm telling you right, I will read it. What we speak, all flesh is together, that same thought that I beseech you
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or the true Sons of God. That I beseech you, I beg you by our gathering together the true Sons of God. What, don't you, unto Him, unto Christ. But don't you see there's a whole lot of them out there that are gathering together unto the son of perdition. Now you keep that in mind. But our gathering together is unto Him. Their gathering together is unto the son of Perdition. I better let you read, read on.
Reader: or be troubled
Dr. Kinley: Don't be troubled
Reader: neither by spirit
Dr. Kinley: neither by spirit
Reader: nor by word
Dr. Kinley: nor by word
Reader: nor by letter as from us
Dr. Kinley: or now I told you, you didn't understand that verse in Thessalon... so don't let it upset you, you see the point? Or by letter from us.
Reader: as that day of Christ is at hand
Dr. Kinley: as that the day of Christ is at hand. Now get this. I told you, you was in there and you were always, never got out and it's always at hand. Get the point? You are living in it now. And everything that God has said has come to pass or declared the end from the beginning. You're right in it, you'll never get outside All that God has purposed has come to pass, in the time when it was supposed to come to pass, in the day. Get it now? Read on,
Reader: Let no man deceive you by any means
Dr. Kinley: Listen, Freddy, let me tell you something. I don't care what you think. Now what do I mean by that? I can walk around here and say, 'Look here I was ordained, I was anointed. I was elevated from deacon to minister, I'm still in the ladder and I finally got up to be the highest reputed character, religiously so speaking, and the head of Christiandoom,' so the devils say. Elevated on up to Pope. Now listen, there ain't no need for you to tell me that stuff. Now somebody think, 'you're talking about my religion, I don't like it.' I'm gonna talk about it anyhow. Well that's what Jesus taught me to do, wasn't it? Preach the gospel. The Lord sent me to preach the gospel, He sent me. And the Lord: to bind up the broken hearted and you heard she, the young lady say.., yes, open up the prison houses, and let the captives go free and all them that's bound up in these sects and cults and isms and so forth and so on, that the devil has imprisoned them. Says, he says.., don't, don't, don't say it wasn't so, in those days there was the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Essenes, and the Nazarenes, had them sects
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back there then. And, they was bound. So then, He come to loose the prison houses, come on out of there. What are you doing that for? God sent me to gather all them that was in heaven and all that there was in earth into Him, into the Church, into the Body of Christ. Paul said one time, before he seen the light, he was a Pharisee. What's the difference between you saying you're a, that he was a Pharisee and you saying, 'I'm a Roman Catholic, I'm a Methodist or a Baptist.' You'll look ____ when you see that you're a Son of God, the hell with all the rest of it. Now somebody think I meant to be smart when I said that because they're not accustomed to hearing things like that. 'Well I guess that preachers just cussing the ____.' Now if you look at the 2nd or if you look at Jude 4, you'll find that them angels that sinned, God cast them down to hell, and what, where you and I are standing, right now we in hell, or we in heaven. I just got through telling you about the cloud and in the fire: that is the lake. That's where ____ ____ in the land of Goshen, and them angels that sinned they was cast down to hell and bound in chains of darkness to be reserved against the day of judgement, ain't that, ain't that in your book? When Jesus died planted out there in the grave, that's hell, to preach deliverance to the captives in distress. And when the, when He raised from the dead, bursting hell wide open, and that's without any indulgences preached by some hypocritical Pope, too, or the devil that's what it really is. Alright, read on.
Reader: for that day shall not come
Dr. Kinley: Now look, this day of God will not come, Freddy, until what happens?
Reader: until there come a falling away first
Dr. Kinley: until there come a falling away first, and then what?
Reader: and that man
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute, now we're individualizing this thing. If we're gonna individualize Judas, we've got to individualize the devil in the flesh here now. And if it took Christ to show him up, it's going to take Christ in you to see him now. Read on.
Reader: and that man of sin be revealed
Dr. Kinley: and that man of sin. The devil sinneth right from the beginning. And that man of sin that come all the way down through the ages. That man of sin, what about him?
Reader: be revealed
Dr. Kinley: be revealed, got to be revealed, the Son of Perdition. Now it's my job, you can try to stop my mouth if you want to, but it's my job pointing him out. Somebody say, 'well I don't like it.' Like it or no like, that's what I have to do. You can even call me a liar. And I've been doing it and I wrote it in the book, and sent it to the ____ over there in the Vatican. Alright, read on. I'm gonna prove it to you, that's right, read on.
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Reader: who opposeth and...
Dr. Kinley: who opposeth and exalteth himself
Reader: above all that is called God
Dr. Kinley: And do you remember what the young lady said about this self exaltation? He opposes, opposes and exalteth himself above all that is called God. Read.
Reader: or that is worshipped
Dr. Kinley: or that is worshipped
Reader: so that he as God
Dr. Kinley: so that he as God
Reader: sitteth in the temple of God
Dr. Kinley: sitteth in... This is the temple of God. Know ye not that your body is the temple of God. And that temple of God setting up over there in the Vatican. That ____ ____. Now listen, you got to find that. That's all there is to it. That Day will not come until he is exposed. I am reading this out of the Bible, and I know the devil don't like it. Read on.
Reader: showing himself that he is God
Dr. Kinley: showing himself that he is God. Now isn't that right in the book? And didn't they say that he, that he was God. Alright read on.
Reader: remember ye not
Dr. Kinley: Don't you remember?
Reader: that when I was yet with you
Dr. Kinley: When I was there with you present in the flesh. I don't know ____ ____. 'What are you looking at, Paul?' ____ Jesus ____ ____coming down through the ages at the end of each age ____ ____ ____. And if it was true and Jesus coming here in the flesh, it's got to be pointing coming in the spirit. It's got to be. But that day will not come except there come a falling away first. Read on.
Reader: And now ye know what withholdeth
Dr. Kinley: Now you know that what withholdeth
Reader: that he might be revealed in his time
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Dr. Kinley: Now he'll be revealed in his time. Now you listen cause I'm, I'm trying to hold a continuity of thought in there, to be revealed in his time. Now when Jesus was here 3 1/2 years right down to the end, before Judas was pointed out. Satan was being revealed in His time. Now you say here was 4004, 1964, 5968 A.M. (that means year of the world.) This was before the birth of Jesus. This was 1964 so you can add them ____. Now that's 5968. And Peter said, I Peter, II Peter 3 and 8: he said one day with the Lord is 1000 years and 1000 years is one day. Now here's how it works. These 6 days here, He created it. Now here you are. You're working your 6 days. And now I've been telling you, trying to warn you, trying to caution you, Everything I, everything I could think of scripturally to tell you there's got to be an earthquake. There has to be a reflection, got to be there, got to... Now look, now you can't stand around, nobody can stand around and lie 33 years to a whole group of people and can not get caught. That don't make sense. And that man of sin be revealed. Who is it?
Student Body: Son of Perdition.
Dr. Kinley: Son of Perdition, that ____ ____ a the Son of God, Son of Perdition. Now listen, I have to come right down. I have to go into this quick. Now here's a book, Mary, I do want you to read and here's the magazine, Life magazine. Now I want you to turn to the 20th chapter of Revelation. Now here's the book, the Pope, children. And if you read this, see the pictures? It's all through here, been in the newspapers and on the T.V. and everywhere else. You don't have no excuse for not, for knowing something. And other magazines carry the articles, it's a ____ though. And by their own admission. Now what do you think the 20th chapter of Revelation, start reading.
Reader: and I saw an angel come down from heaven
Dr. Kinley: and I saw an angel
Reader: having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain
Dr. Kinley: Look would you read Revelation 16:10 first. I want all this on, they're make a record here, they're recording this Mary. Alright,
Reader: and the 5th angel poured out his vial upon the
Dr. Kinley: Look now here comes Christ, I'll put it this way so you can see it: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5th angel poured out his vial, poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast. And then what happened?
Reader: and his kingdom was full of darkness
Dr. Kinley: and his kingdom was full of darkness. Now you look right up here at me. Now when Pharaoh was down there in Egypt, for 3 days, Pharaoh was King of Egypt. Now he had Jannes and Jambres, his magicians, just like the Kingdom of God had Michael and Gabriel that stood on each end of the ark of the covenant. Just like Jannes and Jambres was guarding the King. Christ is King. But down
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here, this is darkness down here. Now the 5th angel, now when I say the 5th angel, you count the 5th thousandth year. You count the 5th thousandth opening up of that 5th millennium, you see here. Here's 666. All ____ had to be born again. The 5th angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast. Alright, read on.
Reader: and they gnawed their tongues for pain
Dr. Kinley: and they gnawed their tongues for pain. Now they've been going around here, the Roman Catholics, been going around here saying by all that is holy, that they are the Church that Christ put up, builded on St. Peter. Haven't they been doing that?
TAPE 2 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: Haven't they been contending for it? Haven't they murdered millions of people in defense of it? Haven't they did it? And in your newsreel, Meinhopff, go to the moving picture show, see it on the screen, and they'll tell you in that that Pope Pius the 11th, and Pope. Well, his real name was Pacelli which was later the Pope Pius the 12th. If he had not signed the Concordat, Hitler could never have been Chancellor of Germany. Go and see the picture. Go and see the Trials of Nuremburg (Nuremberg?) and see if the world is accusing him of it openly. How that day couldn't come until that thing was exposed? I wanna, just want to share a few things with you. Get a few things out of the way. Now, they talk about, what do you got there? Where it's marked there in red. Would you mind reading that please?
Reader: Pope Paul the 6th, announced December 4, 1963 that he was planning to visit the Holy Land, Israel and Jordan in January, 1964. He made the announcement at the Ecumenical Council in Rome in its 2nd session and the 3rd was scheduled for September of 1964.
Dr. Kinley: Has September 1964 come yet?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: I didn't think so. Now read on.
Reader: In it's final vote the Council approved 2 decrees which were then promulgated by the Pope. One authorized the use of modern languages instead of Latin in large parts of the Mass and in the administration of the Sacraments. The other proposed the creation of Roman Catholic press and communication centers in Rome and throughout the world.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you. We got it on the recording. What book is this you're reading?
Reader: This is the World Almanac, 1964.
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Dr. Kinley: I made him say that so we could get it on that. Now, I told you, and everybody that's ever come to this school and stayed around here any length of time, I told you in 1963, there would be a reflection. And I also told you in that book, I seen it around this place here, somebody's got it. I told you in that book that Pope Paul.., John the 23rd would die before the 6th of June. I put it in the book in 1961, he couldn't make it to June 6th. Do you know why? Look here. This is God gathered them around Mt. Sinai and spoke them, there's June the 6th. That repetition, Pentecost; June the 6th, Judas was not there, that's all there was. That oughta explain it. He wasn't there, June the 6th. Now that's a short cut explanation. You see it. Now look, you see him setting in the chair up here? Now they talk about the elevation to the throne, the Pope. And it's in that book you got back there. Pass it around if there's some of you that never seen it. Pass it around, let them look at it. And you see if this kingdom ain't it full of darkness? How did the darkness get in it? Don't you see him just like Jannes and Jambres, standing up with sacrament so they call it, praying over it, saying they transubstantiate it into the actual body and blood of Christ. Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses down there in Egypt. Moses threw down his rod and it became a serpent. Pharaoh called in his magicians, the master magicians, Jannes and Jambres. And, they threw their's down. And they become small serpents. 'So now Mr. Moses, you haven't done nothing that my magicians can't do.' Better look back again and here come Moses, done ate theirs up. And Moses reached down and picked his up carried it away. ____ ____ ____ Jesus said, 'you take up devils.' He'll take him right on up. Ain't that what He said? Picked up serpents. Now you see that in that book. Now this is an actual photograph that was in 'Life'
magazine. I don't know who these 2 men are. But that, that, that papal throne that's elevated there, just like this throne of God. Someone, so you can see the book in the back that this is the throne of God, he dwelleth on the ark of the covenant, in that ark. And that's a, that's a, that's a deceptive copy cat of the throne of God. Now this magazine with these pictures in it. Now listen, listen, now you listen. Now I got sense enough to say what I mean, and mean what I say. I don't need no prompting and propping up or nothing. Their contention is that St. Peter or Peter was the first Pope. And that their successor to the Pope come on down, one succeeds the other one, right on down, right on down, right on down. You get the point? And, they say that they're the only one that goes straight right back to Jesus Christ. Now listen, listen. Now they claim that this Pope is occupying the throne of St. Peter. They really don't have a lot to demonstrate, occupying and, this Pope was elevated to the throne to be decorated, Pope Paul, elevated to the throne of St. Peter. Sometimes we call it the Chair of St. Peter. And just like Israel carried this Ark of the Covenant around with staves in it and nobody, they couldn't put their hand on it, couldn't touch it. They have staves, they have staves in all the vessels. And they carried it around on their shoulders like this. Now did you ever see 'em carry the pope? The pope's on their shoulders? That's him sitting on the sedia gestoria (gestatoria?). Now are you such a nut, such a fool and so ignorant and so stupid that you can't look back here and see the figure of heaven, and see that Devil sitting in the... You read it. Read it again Dr. Harris.
Reader: sitting in the.., Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is call God so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.
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Dr. Kinley: See that now? Do you see that now? Here they are. Get that? Now look, and, here's what I'm going to bring out to you right quick. Freddy take this 64 up here and straighten this up, put 63 there. Now here's 33. Now if you put this 4004 and 1963 together, you got 5967.1 Now God works 6 days which is equivalent to 6000 years. And it you subtract from these ones then you have 33 years left,2 And Christ was 33 years old, right out there on Golgotha, hanging out there at 33. So then it's got to be reflected, 33 years from, the same thing. It's got to reflect. Now watch the reflection. You read December or you read about 63 there didn't you now? And now here goes this man that's supposed to be occupying the Chair of St. Peter, he goes back into Jerusalem, retracing the steps of Christ, starting to.., get him acting and doing like Peter did, if he's occupying that position. He never asked for no.., I'm sure he never carried the cross like Christ did. Now I... Now my Peter didn't carry the cross. They wanna lay it on Peter, then Peter denied Him 3 times before the cock crew. And Peter was out there warming himself. 'You there? Ain't you the fella.' 'No.' he said, 'not me.' Said, 'don't you look like one of them Galileans.' 'No.' Now that's the only one place, going on over there to Jerusalem. Why don't you wear that robe. He's occupying the place of St. Peter. It's deception. The anti-Christ. And I told you there would be those reflections, didn't I? Now look he visited the tomb. All of it's in this book. I just don't have time. We don't have time to go into all these details of it. Every hand of it, stretched the Jordan River. It ain't visiting the tomb, the churches, and it about it, you can read it, this is your 'Life' magazine. When he went in the church or sepulchre, the lights went out. I'll get it in the book, if you don't think it's in there. Get it, Dr. Harris, read, read.
Reader: Using a portable altar Pope Paul celebrates mass at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre where Jesus was buried in the tomb which was hew out of the rock. And Joseph rolled a stone onto the door of the sepulchre. During mass a fire broke out briefly in 2 T.V. power cables, but the Pope continued, disregarding the commotion.
Dr. Kinley: All the lights went out. I didn't tell you, that's what it said, you read it. Now I wanna get down, I wanna get it down, so your can look right at it. Revelation the 20th chapter and come down. I have to read it.
Reader: And I saw an angel come down from heaven...
Dr. Kinley: I saw an angel come down from heaven.
Reader: having the key of the bottomless pit
Dr. Kinley: Hold it just a minute. Find the place in here, I don't know just where it is. Sister Mary help Dr. Harris just find it, you read it. I think it's in this article right here, where it tells you that Pope Paul was the first Pope that, that left that Vatican and went out in the world out there. Then say if you can find it. Now look,
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1 4004 + 1963 = 5967
2 60000 - 5967 = 33
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listen, the apostle called the devil the Prince of the Air. That's right. Come on out now. Now you know it's in the book. Power of the air. Now the Popes have been confined to the Vatican for over 1000 years. And, even have the Swiss guard and others around there. Now don't you know that, can't you read? And they said this about ____ ____ ____. And was the first to come out of there. And look is the power, prince of the power of the air ____ and takes a plane. Play it out: prince of the power of the air. 'Where are you going?' 'Going to Jerusalem.' 'What for?' 'To retrace the steps of Christ. And to meet Antiogus who is the head of the Greek Orthodox church.' The ecumenical council have called to reconcile, or so they say, and bring all the dissenting brethren back in. Christ's family back in. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And didn't he meet Antiogus and kiss him? Isn't that what Jesus, what Judas done so the ____ see him? that night. You remember that? Now you can read the 20th chapter of Revelation,
Reader: and I saw an angel come down from heaven
Dr. Kinley: John said and I saw an angel come down from heaven.
Reader: having the key of the bottomless pit.
Dr. Kinley: having the key of the bottomless pit
Reader: and a great chain in his hand
Dr. Kinley: and a great chain in his hand
Reader: and he laid hold on the dragon
Dr. Kinley: and he laid hold on the dragon
Reader: that old serpent
Dr. Kinley: that old serpent
Reader: which is the Devil
Dr. Kinley: which is the devil
Reader: and Satan
Dr. Kinley: and Satan
Reader: and bound him a 1000 years.
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Dr. Kinley: and bound him a 1000 years. Now remember, don't forget, I just got through telling you that they said that he was bound up there. That's what they say. Bound like that, and in that Vatican over a 1000 years. Then read on,
Reader: and cast him into the bottomless pit
Dr. Kinley: and cast him into the bottomless pit
Reader: and shut him up
Dr. Kinley: and shut him up
Reader: and set a seal upon him
Dr. Kinley: and set a seal upon him
Reader: that he should deceive the nations no more
Dr. Kinley: that he should deceive the nations no more
Reader: till the 1000
Dr. Kinley: until the 1000 years was finished.
Reader: should be fulfilled
Dr. Kinley: should be fulfilled. And, read.
Reader: and after that
Dr. Kinley: and after that
Reader: he must be loosed
Dr. Kinley: Here he comes, here he comes. After that he must be loosed a little season. Maybe just within 32, 33 years of A.D. 6000 or A.M. 6000, just a little season. Now you're reading the paper, you're seeing it on TV, you're reading your Bible and still someone's walking around in darkness stumbling over and talking about and trying to protect and defend, something that the devil set up: that he should deceive the nations no more until a 1000 years will be fulfilled. Read on.
Reader: and I saw thrones
Dr. Kinley: and I saw thrones
Reader: and they sat upon them
Dr. Kinley: and they even sat upon them
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Reader: and judgment was given unto them
Dr. Kinley: and judgment was given unto them
Reader: and I saw the
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Now let me duplicate this. I, I wanna duplicate this. John said I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. Is that what he read, she read? And he laid hold on that old serpent, the dragon, that old serpent, the devil. And he looked right down here at this tomb. Now Judas was dead and buried, sealed up in that tomb just as just as sure as there's a heaven and a hell. And that angel rolled that stone away from that door, fell, and them soldiers fell as dead men ____. And John is looking at that at the end of that age. Now it's got to repeat itself in, in the end of this age. That's what I'm trying to get you to see. Now if you get the type ____ then when you flip the the thing you're gonna get exactly what you have, the type. So that's what's happening now. You get the point? ____ ____ ____ there until the 1000 years is finished, then what?
Reader: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus
Dr. Kinley: And I saw the souls of them that was beheaded for the witness. Read on.
Reader: and for the word of God
Dr. Kinley: read on.
Reader: and which had not worshipped the beast
Dr. Kinley: which had not worshipped the beast.
Reader: neither his image
Dr. Kinley: neither his image
Reader: neither had received his mark
Dr. Kinley: neither had received his mark
Reader: upon their foreheads
Dr. Kinley: upon their foreheads. Now you're reading in your Bible, God put a mark on Cain. As he comes on down through here, then he put it ____ ____ ____ ____. I had a vision, nothing but these charts just repeating the thing over and over and over and over and over and over from Genesis on to Revelation. It's gonna have to repeat too and showing you Christ or God and the devil, been showing it to you all along. Satan, as you read the Bible and what, and read the newspaper, just read everything. In anticipation, long anticipation of this book which we call
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the Bible. It is the revelation of God. And it's not just some fictitious story of mythology either. This book is right. Read on.
Reader: and they lived and
Dr. Kinley: and they lived with and they reigned
Reader: and they reigned with Christ a thousand years
Dr. Kinley: A 1000 years, they lived and they reigned with Christ a 1000 years. Read on.
Reader: But the rest of the dead
Dr. Kinley: But the rest of the dead lived not again until a 1000 years were finished. Now look, they lived and reigned with Christ, but the rest of the dead. Now watch this rest of the dead. Now when Christ raised from the dead. Matthew 27:52, of saints that slept in the dust of the earth rose and went on into Jerusalem. And they were coming from way back here. That man's stood way back here, Job I'm talking about. When his wife told him to curse God and die. He said, 'you talk like a fool.' Said, 'go and sleep, ____ ____ ____ ____, and you smitten with sore boils and all like that business, go ahead and just curse God and die.' Said, 'I know my redeemer liveth and that He shall stand in the earth, (HITS CHART) right down here on the ground in the latter day, and I shall see him. Yes, oh as the skin worms that devour this body yet in my flesh shall I see for myself and not for another.' That stone was rolled away and them saints that Christ promised to raise the saints ____ ____ ____ and bring them up. out of them graves, Matthew 27:56. Job, Job looked right at it and went on into Jerusalem. There ain't no kidding about where they went. But the rest of the dead, which means, everything was dead from Adam down to Christ, they lived and reigned after His resurrection. And from there on now all of us that were dead in trespasses and in sin, both Jew and Gentile, were the rest of the dead. that can't be raised until that 1000 years was finished or until Christ raised from the dead. And Paul looked at it and said, 'now ye are come, to the spirits of just men made perfect. And now seeing we're surrounded with them? Let us lay aside every weight and the sin that doth so easily beset us and let us run with patience the race that is set before us. Looking ever unto Jesus who is the author and finisher of our faith.' Oh, I'll tell you everyone. And Paul looks at it this way, he said, 'you, who are once, who you are quickened, dead, and quickened, hath quickened together with God, made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.' Use your Bible now. it's not fooling folks. Oh, I tell you. Read on.
Reader: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection
Dr. Kinley: Blessed and holy is he that hath a part in the first resurrection, in the first resurrection. Now, here's God, I am. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection. Read on.
Reader: on such the second death hath no power
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Dr. Kinley: on such the second death has no power.
Reader: but they shall be priests of God
Dr. Kinley: but they shall be priests of God
Reader: and of Christ
Dr. Kinley: and of Christ
Reader: and shall reign with Him a 1000 years
Dr. Kinley: and shall reign with Him a 1000 years. Listen, while them devils is out yonder. While he's bound in chains of darkness, and the apostles preaching the gospel and everyone they brought and set preaching the gospel, and raising from the dead You hath He quickened who were dead, 'gentiles too, as well as the Jews, You hath He quickened. Flesh put to death, no more flesh. That's out. There ain't no man to baptize, there ain't no man to eat no Lord's suppers. The flesh is dead, out. You say raised up, but I ain't talking about the flesh.
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by Dr. Henry C. Kinley
recorded by Burbank D. Mitchell on reel to reel recorder
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1 90 minute audio cassette
CATALOG #: 65.0214
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SCRIPTURE: JUDE
Moderator: ...at this time, the founder and dean of the school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. Well, I am indeed happy and glad to be back again and to talk with you about God and His purpose so that you might be strengthened. Now I asked the, Dr. Yates to read Jude to you. To read it. Now, the reason why I asked him to read it is because that's just exactly what's going on. And I wanna mention right here too, before I go any further and the reason why I wanna mention it is because I want you to notice it, so we can take some of the blame and responsibility off of me. Now we have a ministry here, now I am not complaining. I don't want you to get it that way. We have a ministry here and what we have tried to do is to strengthen all of the ministering brethren. We want 'em all to be capable, and able and qualified to get up and speak in the defense of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We want 'em to be here on time. Now I set there in that chair and rubber necked around and asked different ones, 'Has so and so come in yet?' And they hadn't turned up yet. So then here I have to get up. Then I don't want to hear no belly-aching about it next week. Get the point now?
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Saying, 'Somebody is not giving you an opportunity to speak.' You see what I'm fighting, I'm wrestling against them things all the time. Now when we do get up here and speak it doesn't make any difference whether it's somebody out there in the audience, just some of the laymen, whenever you do speak, or whenever you do have anything to say, and your actions all through the week. I have tried my very best to teach you that this is a, you are led by the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is not absent sometimes and present others. I'm trying to show you where that in this dispensation we live under the influence of the Holy Spirit all the time, when we're present here and when we're absent, at home and everywhere else. Now that's the kind of a doctrine, now that's the kind of Christ, alive evermore alive Christ, that I'm trying my best to tell you about; in other words let me put it this way, I'm trying to tell you about an effective Christ. This is not just a story that's just.., you're suppose to get up and relate and talk about and then stagger around. Now that's no good. Paul said, I am not ashamed of the gospel, and the reason why I am not ashamed of it because it is the power of God, the same God that brought everything in existence, the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes, to the Jew first, then to the Greek. The power of God unto salvation. Now salvation means to be delivered, it means to be rescued. Rescued from what, and delivered from what? The bondage of death. Now it's the power of God to everyone that believes, not everyone that talks about it, not everyone that recites around about it. I'm not talking about that. As God said, now speaking of Israel, said, "You do honor Me with your lips, but your heart's far from Me.' Now, why did I say that? All right, now here is somebody in these days now in the churches, and could be in this congregation too, so they're talking about Christ being the power of God, they're talking about His resurrection, they're talking about He's the Savior of the world, and they he's got... Now listen I got to tell you about it, I have to do that, that's my job, that's what I come for. Then he's got some old habit, you just chose any habit you want to. Just chose anything you think in your conscience is wrong regardless of what it is, just chose it. And then here you claim that you're under bondage to that and you can't overcome it. Now you're not preaching Christ is the power of God. You're not preaching the gospel, you're preaching bondage. See the point? I wanna be delivered from it, that's the thing we're trying to get over to you. Get the point? Now don't go off and say I didn't preach it to you. Your conduct, your disposition, your behavior, your attitude. If you know within yourself that it's not pleasing to you, you have a condemned conscience. Don't go out there and tell somebody, 'Well, this is the way Dr. Kinley is living it and preaching it, and it's his fault that I'm like I am, 'cause I'm not preaching that. I'm preaching Christ as the power of God unto salvation to some of 'em that believe.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: but to everyone, every man, woman, boy, and girl that believes that Christ as the power of God to deliver you from the power of darkness. Give you, not just physical life, but eternal life. Now that's what I'm preaching. And I, so far as I'm concerned, I don't expect to die. Now the reason why I don't expect to die is because I been raised from the dead, I been resurrected, I been delivered. No, I'm not talking about this thing here, it's already dead. I can be carried off to the cemetery anytime, the sooner the better the way I feel about it. Now I don't have
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no fear of that, not whatsoever. But I'm living now, I am with Christ a resurrected Christ, I mean in the spirit. And it delivers me from everything that is wrong in my conscience, yes, wipe it out. And I'm not gonna go out there and do something. Let me, listen, let me show you what I'm talking about. I'm not gonna go out there and use some, well maybe I better say this, maybe I better say it around this way, hoping that we don't have none. Somebody that's dealing in the traffic of dope, a dope addict. Now I didn't wanna use whiskey, I just.., because.., I wanna use dope. It makes people act all funny and everything, and out of harmony with common sense, under delusions, imagining he's somewhere, where he isn't, (you get the point?) have hallucinations and imaginations, thinks he's rich when he's just as poor.., he ain't got a dime. I'm not talking about that kind of a thing. They want to blame it on what we're teaching over here. Says it's wrong but he just can't help it, ever learning never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Always wrestling, never able to overcome. Now I'm not preaching nothing like that. Anything you do, anything you eat, I'm talking about physically so, anything you drink, I'm talking about physically so, naturally so, not spiritual, it's naturally so this trip, don't condemn yourself with it. Control it. I don't think you oughta drink too much water, I don't think you should. I think you oughta have sense enough to know when you got enough water. I think you oughta have sense enough to know when you got enough vegetables, or I don't care what it is, I think you oughta have sense enough to know. You get what I'm talking about? You oughta know when you're filled full of food. Don't be like Israel, God gave them manna and bread from heaven that the Children of Israel, and quail, and the Children of Israel, they sat down, Jesus fulfilled it too, they sat down to eat and rose up to play. Just don't do it like that. Just get that stopped, then we won't have nearly I as much trouble down here. Won't be nearly as much to make you think that we're complaining about something. Then somebody says, 'Well he must be talking about me.' Sure I'm talking about you. Sure I am. You get the point? Talking about you and talking to you, and that goes for everybody. You get it? All these murmurings and complaining, that's what Israel did down there in the wilderness, 10th chapter of I Corinthians said, they murmured and they griped and they growled and they complained. And God gave them something to eat, keeping their clothes from wearing out, causing water to spring up in the desert where there wasn't no water and they're still griping. They done escaped from death down there in Egypt being beat to death and all them different kind of things out there in the wilderness, done escaped that. And God is a good God. Don't have no manufacturing plants out here, don't have no brick yards out here. And yet and still he's eating, sleeping, clothes don't wear out, water, quail, manna, everything. God said he was a good God. What was all the griping around about. Now I'm giving you, try to give you the true word of the Lord, and I expect you to stop complaining and griping, and finding fault with this, and finding fault with that, staggering around and fooling around. Talking about, 'I'm sorry but I, I, I hope to overcome some day,' and all that kinda thing. Now you understand? Then when I get up and say something about that, I'm mean.., I don't have my words seasoned with grace, I'm not humble, and I oughta be more humble. Well, say listen, did you know that God was angry with the wicked every day? There is no way to reconcile God with disobedience.
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Now I guess I can get down to say what I wanna say and get down from up here. Now I got up first and I don't want you to deceived about that. I got up first and the reason why I got up first is because those I wanted to call on to get up first, they wasn't here. Now that's why I am up here. I'm up here, taking up, talking abut it so you won't let that happen next time. Next time you'll be here on time. Now listen let me say this to you: now it would be kinda poor, be awful poor. You be the judge. It would be awful poor for me to get up here squabbling with the ministry about not being here on time and I'm not here on time myself. How's that? Is that all right? Remember that woman that was taken in adultery? Now that high priest he's running around out there with some witnesses all night long tying to catch Mary Magdalene in the act of committing adultery. Done left Mrs. Caiaphas at home, that's his wife. Get the point? And he's running around out there, just so he can get if off on somebody else. Then when he come across he said to the woman, brought her to Christ, where he should have been was down there at the altar in the sanctuary. And he's late getting down there to offer up the daily sacrifice. He's out there tricking around with this woman. And Jesus said, he that... Hadn't offered up the daily sacrifice, and the Day of Atonement hadn't yet come. He's out there holding up sacrifices for sin. He should have been right here. No, he's out yonder trying to get something on somebody else, complaining about somebody else. Get the point? Here he comes, brings the woman. Now there's been no sacrifice offered today. Said, 'now look Jesus.' Said, 'Now Moses in the law, he wrote, he wrote that whosoever committeth adultery should be stoned to death. Now what do you say about it?' Tempting Him, trying to tempt Him in other words. Said, 'What do you say about it?' He's down there writing, writing what it said in the tables of stone. He's writing it right down, down there in the sand. And it's the finger of God writing right down there in the sand, down in the wilderness which said thou shall not commit adultery. He's down there writing, and they won't even let Him get down to the place where he can write that down. Now...
(ORIGINAL REEL CAME TO AN END)
Dr. Kinley: ... Alright. Read on.
Reader: reserved in heaven for you
Dr. Kinley: Now, there's some reservations made there for you. How's that? Some reservations. Now do you want to occupy 'em? Reservations all ready made (get the point?) in heaven for you. Peter talking to the Israelites, not talking to the gentiles, he's talking to the Israelites about it. They hadn't been begotten the first time, but the Jews they been begotten again. I'm just trying to show it to you. All right read.
Reader: who are kept by the power
Dr. Kinley: Now, who are kept, kept from Monday morning til Sunday night. Kept every day, just kept all the time. Kept by the power of God. All right read.
Reader: through faith
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Dr. Kinley: through faith
Reader: unto salvation
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. You can't come up here and eat some of this stuff here, you passing around on no platter. And that stuff, when you eat that, you know as well as I do, it's not gonna embrace and it's not gonna sustain you. I'm talking about that, them crackers and grape juice. That won't hold you up till you get home. Get the point? You are kept by the power of God through faith. Now we told you what faith was. Faith is the substance. Faith and spirit is one in the same. Substance, the real essence. You don't see it? You're in the room here now, aren't you? To make a parable out of it. If you turn off the electric lights in here, it will still be light in here. Why? Because you don't see the sun out there, when you setting there, but it's shining, that's what's causing the light to be in here cause the sun is shining out there. Now when the sun is shining in you, it's just like that, there's some illumination of your understanding. Understand what? Understand that none of the natural things ain't gonna do it that you look at, but it's gonna be through faith, which is the substance of... You can't have no substance where there isn't something back yonder to back it up. Get the point? Alright, read on.
Reader: unto salvation
Dr. Kinley: unto salvation. Now it's unto salvation, deliverance, sure enough. All right read.
Reader: ready to be revealed
Dr. Kinley: Oh no, getting ready. Hoping to overcome, trying to get ready, getting fixed. You live prepared and ready at all times. Ready for what? Ready to be revealed in the last times. Don't make no difference whether it's Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, that's the life you live, you live under the influence and that faith or that substance that's what keeps you, or the Holy Ghost, which is the same, that keeps you living. And listen, it don't allow you to do like the devil say. Go out there and do something to somebody and run back and confess it to a priest. It don't allow you to do the thing in the first place. Get the point? Because you're kept by the power of God through faith ready to be revealed in the last time. You're not a sometime kinda a character or implaceable or nothing like that. God, who is spirit, He's the same, same identical God now that He was before the creation, same God all down through the ages, and will forever be the same God. He's not changing any. You get the point? All right, read on Doc.
Reader: wherein ye greatly rejoice.
Dr. Kinley: Wherein. You're kept by the faith, of God, kept by the faith unto salvation. Listen. And kept ready. Israel's ready to be revealed in the last time. Get the point? Now what else Doc?
Reader: wherein ye greatly rejoice
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Dr. Kinley: Now. Wherein you... You can't rejoice. You go around with a long mouth and the longest face, face all punched out, you ain't got no faith, ain't got nothing to rejoice about, keep complaining, you ain't got no faith. 'Yeah, I belong to the thing, but I got.., some, some of you ain't doing right.' Now what's that got to do with you. You get the point? Somebody says, 'Now I know if I got to go to Hades.' I'm gonna try to be nicer about them words, somebody will stumble over them too. I'm gonna say destroyed instead of M A D, turn it around. Try that, cause it just means the same. It don't make the point of it any easier cause I used destroyed, it's all the same. And I've had them come to me say, 'Well look here Doc, does destruction or destroyed mean to be destroyed or is there degrees of punishment and so on and so forth?' Get the point? Come and ask me questions like that. That's the same thing that John said to them come out there in the wilderness, 'What did you come out here for? See the weeds blowing around with the wind? What did you come for?' The scribes and the pharisees, 'Well, no, who are you? Art thou that prophet.' Said, 'No.' He was a prophet but he was not That Prophet, but he was That Prophet. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Said,'I have come to prepare the way of that prophet which is Christ.' He just said so they could understand, 'he's the voice of one crying in the wilderness.' Get the point? Come to prepare the way of the Lord. Now it might look like the people believe that. They're reading. I've sat down and did a lot of thinking about how to get the truth over to you. Now here, now let me show you that they don't believe that, anymore so than them pharisees and sadducees that went out there in the wilderness, they don't believe it. They're still looking for Messiah to come, just like that Ethiopian eunuch, he's reading the book, just like Apollos, he ought, he went up to John. He didn't realize that He had come. And the folks around here now, all through Christendoom, they don't realize that Christ in you is the hope of glory, they still looking for Him. But John come to prepare the way, 'Well, He come.' And John said, 'There is one that standeth right there among you. There He is, just look at him: behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.' And they're still looking. Now here He come, He walked around among them, died and raised from the dead, and showed Himself, after His re... And then the Law that they had, He fulfilled every bit of it, jot and tittle and moved it out of the way. Now, I said that so I can show you what I'm talking about. You be the judge. Now you go right on and be the judge. Now. And Dr. Gross is trying to get up in your pamphlets so you can get it out to the folks. Now here they got Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and just as particular, read particular, wanna make sure that they read it like it is in the book, but he wouldn't take that. I'm talking about Christendoom out here. It said Jesus... Suppose you get it, one of these things so I can show you. I haven't forgot about Jude. Get Matthew 26:26, get I Corinthians 11:20. Now let's get it. Whoever gets it first, read.
Reader: as they were eating
Dr. Kinley: as they were eating
Reader: Jesus took bread and blessed it
Dr. Kinley: Jesus took bread and blessed it
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Reader: and break it
Dr. Kinley: and break it
Reader: and gave it to the disciples
Dr. Kinley: and gave it to the disciples
Reader: and said
Dr. Kinley: and said
Reader: take eat
Dr. Kinley: take eat
Reader: this is my body
Dr. Kinley: this is my body
Reader: and he took the cup
Dr. Kinley: and he took the cup
Reader: and gave thanks
Dr. Kinley: and gave thanks
Reader: and gave it to them
Dr. Kinley: and gave it to them
Reader: drink ye all of it
Dr. Kinley: drink ye all of it
Reader: for this is my blood of the new testament
Dr. Kinley: for this is my blood of the new testament
Reader: which is shed for many
Dr. Kinley: which is shed for many
Reader: for the remission of sin
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Dr. Kinley: for the remission of sin. Let me ask you a question. What do you see wrong with that? Now listen, I dogmatically and earnestly contend with all that there is, in me is, that that is right. And I'm trying my best to persuade you to believe that that is right. And that He did actually take physical unleaven bread and that He did actually take the cup. Now I'm contending with you about that. Now here's what, now here's what I don't agree with. Now look, He said that He come. Now He said it, sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldst not, but a body has Thou prepared Me, then said I, lo I come in the volume of the book as it is written of Me to do Thy will, oh God He taketh away the first and establishes the second. The first has got to be removed before the second can be established. And I'm earnestly and dogmatically contending with you with all that's in me is, that He did do that and He gave it to them, but I'm telling you that is under the dispensation of the law. And not only just that, but every precept and everything that the Law said, and it says there while they were eating, while they were eating lamb, and that lamb, He's fulfilling what's written in the law and in the prophecy what is written. I want you
to look at what I'm talking to you about. I want you to understand me that He Himself, He's fulfilling that. He has to do it under the dispensation. It couldn't pass until He did it. Get the point? That is a true record of it. I'm not complaining about it. I'm contending, I'm the one that's contending that He done it. And the reason why He done it, He had to do it before it could pass as a carnal ordinance. You see my point? Not only that one, but every other
one. Offered up the bullocks and turtle doves and heifers, eating crackers and drinking grape juice and. Everything had to be fulfilled to the jot and to the tittle which means that He's got to repeat it. Now you're reading a record of Him repeating it. He's born under the law, He lives under the law. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is recording or writing down what He done while He was under the Law (get the point?) in the fulfillment. Am I making any sense?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: So go over there and show you that it is a passover. It was instituted, some way. Look at Exodus, 1490 years before He was born. He didn't come instituting, He come fulfilling what was already instituted, and that's why He had to keep it. Just let me tell you this. For your information, let me tell you this: from the very time He was born in the world on up until this night, even when He was a little baby Mary and Joseph took Him up there. Remember how He got lost in the crowd after the passover. Then when He went in His ministry... That was the third passover that He ate and that's the last one. The year before that, at the same time, He kept that passover. That's in 32. And in 31 before that He kept that one too. But, this is the last one. How'm I doing? You see that now? I don't have no squabbling to do about it. I'm just insisting that that's the way it is. Sabbath day? Yes. Up there in the temple teaching, preaching, it's a daily ministration, ain't it? Get the point? Yes it is wonderful. Now, carnal ordinances, they was given to the Children of Israel back here. That's the first covenant with them. Now I tried to even tell you this: before then there was a covenant with, with, with Abraham, before that there was a covenant with Noah, before that Adam. But this is the second covenant with them people, the Jews. Now that, just as it was given to them, it has to be kept just like that, just like it was given to them it has to be kept. And for your information, I'd like for you to know this, I didn't
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say it either so don't go down no block somewhere and tell somebody that that man said cause I did not say it, God said it. I want you to read it and see who said it. Jeremiah 31:31. Now I'm talking about that Old Covenant that He gave to 'em back there. Now, now the reason for mentioning it, is this: when God did give it to 'em to eat in the literal and in the physical sense, and all those other auxiliary ordinances, they didn't do it. I didn't say so. Get the point? Well if they didn't do it and God said so, what are you doing up here griping around about doing it now for? See the point? They didn't do it then. Then there's one in heaven, just only one there. Mike and Gabriel, neither one of 'em wasn't worthy to open the book and to loose the seals; none of the angelic host, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, none of 'em. I want you to look at what you're talking about. I want you to see God as God. None of 'em could break the seal. And did keep it. And God said. Read it Doc.
Reader: behold the days come saith the Lord
Dr. Kinley: behold the days come saith the Lord. Now you see I didn't say it. So don't go out and tell somebody I said it, 'That man said.' All right, read on.
Reader: that I will make a new covenant.
Dr. Kinley: that I will make a new covenant.
Reader: with the house of Israel.
Dr. Kinley: with the house of Israel. A new one now. Now, this is the old one back there and He's gonna make a new one with them. All right, read.
Reader: and with the house of Judah.
Dr. Kinley: with the house of Judah.
Reader: not according to the covenant.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen folks. Listen folks. Listen. Repeat.
Reader: not according to
Dr. Kinley: not according to the covenant. All right, read on
Reader: that I made with their fathers
Dr. Kinley: that I made with their fathers
Reader: in the day that I took them by the hand
Dr. Kinley: in the day that I took them by the hand
Reader: to bring them out of the land of Egypt
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Dr. Kinley: to bring them out of the land of Egypt. Now you do well to pay attention to what I'm saying because they're not telling you about this out there in Christendoom. Now God said He wasn't gonna make none like that, that He made with Israel the day that He brought 'em out there and took 'em by the hand. Didn't say Moses led 'em either. It said the day He took them by the hand. He was the one that made the covenant. Said, 'now I'm not gonna make no more like that.' Well what are you doing trying to stand up here and argue around with me about it or being or, keeping that. And God said he wasn't gonna make no more like that and that one had to be removed. How's that? How am I doing? Am I doing all right? You get it? You stand up here all particular, a big cross on your back, up here in front of a, ____ talking about Jesus took the cup and He did this and He did that and He gathered the wafer and He sanctified and all that kinda thing in this dispensation. And God said I'm not gonna make nothing like that no more. When they were eating wafers and everything, said they didn't keep it. He gave 'em the real thing, the true bread, which that was type of. All right, read on.
Reader: which my covenant they break.
Dr. Kinley: which my covenant. God said they broke it. Now God said that, don't go out and tell somebody, 'Look that man said.' That's the way they did back in Ohio. 'That man said, that man down there in that Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research,' he said it. He said we wasn't doing this communion right. And they got real worked up about it too. Yes they did. And they commenced to make some changes too. And you know they did. Said, 'Well now look here.' I'm just showing you, I could tell you the church that did it and some of the rest of 'em that did it right in Springfield. Said, 'Well we ain't gonna have them passing out the bread first, then the wine, because Paul said there in I Corinthians, said, 'One taketh before the other his own supper, and one is hungry and the other one's drunk.' They plain don't have it after the agreement ____ that way no more. Say, 'We gonna get this thing together right. We ain't gonna let you, some eat bread before they get the wine and others they drink the wine before they get the bread.' Said, 'We're not gonna do it that way.' Now if they did try to do that at Second Baptist Church on Wittenburg Avenue in Springfield, Ohio. They said, 'Now wait a minute, now we get this thing together.' Said, 'Now we put on some here, to go down this aisle, one go down that aisle; one with crackers, the other with grape juice, and over here, so that they, so just the things properly done and all of you eating the wine at the same time; in other words, that's one, two, three, go!' Trying to get that thing together right so that one wouldn't be hungry and the other wouldn't be drunk. Get it now? Well that's the same thing the priesthood is doing out here.
Well now I'm trying to tell you about all them old slick devils, all them old delusions, all that old ignorance and all that old superstition, all that old folly that the devil has got down here doing now that was under the dispensation of the law. And I'm telling you that when it was under the dispensation they didn't keep it then. Now why should you be fool enough to think that they're gonna keep it now. They had plenty of time to get it together, had over 1500 years to get straightened out. And according to God they never did get straightened out. And God said, 'I'm not gonna make another one.' And Jesus. If you don't believe He said it, I'll read it
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right there when He's doing this here, there in Matthew. That was the last supper, that was the last physical supper that He was eating. And while they were eating lamb, and listen, the rest of the people all around out there all over the town was eating lamb, unleavened bread, and drinking. And they were home with their families in their houses, in their own houses, and Jesus is up here in the upper chamber in Jerusalem at the man's house that they seen bearing the pitcher. And He told the disciples, 'Go over there and prepare the passover; He was not up in the temple, up in the congregation of the assembly. Now the devil, he's got it down here in the congregation of the assembly passing it around, and chewing the rag and arguing around about it. And he's eating the passover. You know how they serve the thing in courses, don't you? And while they were eating the lamb, that was one of the courses, and immediately pursuant thereto, He wasn't instituting anything that's that unleavened bread that Feast of Unleavened Bread, that's pursuant to that. And He's got to fulfill all of it before He dies, everything He said... Now listen, listen now, listen, you listen, listen, you listen Brother____. Now He said, 'I will not drink henceforth no more the fruit of the vine until the day I drink it with you, 'not old like that, 'but anew in My Father's kingdom.' In My Father's kingdom is not meat and drink it is righteous, it is peace, and it is in joy in the Holy Ghost. Romans 14:17. Do you understand now? I'm not gonna drink no more crackers and drink no more, eat no more grape juice with you. Somebody said, 'Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it anyhow.' Well I won't be there, (get the point?) until that day I drink anew in My Father's kingdom. Now I'm trying to show you how in this dispensation that all of them natural things, that's all I have been preaching. All of them natural things is moved out of the way so that the promise that God made to Abraham, even before the giving of the law that you might become a recipient. Remember I started out telling you: don't blame all of these things on Christ, your weakness. Don't blame it on God. Don't let something that you think is wrong, get you down and hold you down. Talk about you. You remember I started off like that. Because if you do then this is what you're doing: you are denying the power of God. That's what you're doing. I don't say you're doing that consciously, you're doing that unconsciously, you're denying the power of God, but the power of God through faith unto salvation lifts you up. And let me tell you this, John said, he that is righteous, he that is righteous is righteous, (are you listening?) even as He is righteous. Said, he that is... Jesus said to Nicodemus, 'you must be born again, that which is born after the flesh is flesh, but that which is born after the spirit is spirit.' Now listen, must be born again. Nick, with that carnal mind, he thought about entering again in his mother's womb and be born. Jesus said that born of the flesh is flesh, marvel not. I know you don't understand, the natural mind don't understand the things of the spirit, so say the apostle Paul. I don't have time to read all of these things. The carnal mind don't understand and that's what all of them had back there. And that's what these back here, and that's the occasion of all these epistles they are writing, that's what Jude.., that's why I had him to read it. Them, that carnal minded crept in unaware calling themselves doing what Jesus did, call theirself following in His footsteps. ____ ____ ____. Now, you are a son of God just like He was, by virtue of the fact that the Holy Ghost is in you, and you are delivered from, from death, delivered, not clowning around like that. And John said, he that is righteous is righteous even as He is righteous. How do you know when you passed from death to life? Cause when you love the brethren. You don't have to
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go around and ask somebody, 'How am I doing now? If you're a Christian I want to see you live the life.' You don't have to be bothered with that. You know within yourself. Now if I don't like Dr. Harris, ain't no need of me trying to tell you I'm all right. I know within me, I am no good, I don't have to make no inquiries. How do you know that you've passed from life unto death, I mean death unto life? When I love the brethren. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish. Well now when that's in me, there is nothing else I can do but love. Greater love than this has no man than to lay down his life for his friend. Well it just makes me that way. Now somebody comes around and cause they don't like somebody else then they don't want me to like 'em. Well, I'm passed from death to life. Said, 'Yeah I know, but he ain't no brethren, he got to be one thing or the other, he got to be right or wrong.' If he's wrong, I'd like to be willing to lay my life down to righten him. Get the point? And if he's right, then I expect him to help me, and we help one another. Ain't nobody got no right to do a whole lot of blowing and boasting about their self righteousness, (you get the point?) because it is not our righteousness, it's the righteousness of God through faith. ____ ____ we're not down here blowing about our righteousness and how somebody can preach. Can't none of you can preach so far as I'm concerned. Me either. And as I told you before, and I hope you understand it. I don't wanna hear HC preach. If it's not gonna be the Holy Ghost in there speaking, I don't wanna hear it. As someone said back there in Springfield, Ohio and around up there, said, 'Are you going to the...' We held our meeting at the YMCA, a great big place, hold better than 350 people. And quite a lot of 'em, 'Did you go down there?' 'No, I ain't going down there.' Said, 'Well, Dr. Kinley's coming from Cleveland or Akron or
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Youngstown, or someplace.' There's a lot of you that said, 'I ain't going down there.' Said, 'I don't have to go down there to hear him preach, I'm just not going cause God can give me a revelation out there anywhere, out there on my job, any place. So I'm not going down. You all go ahead on.' So, when I got around, when I got in, they got to talking with me about it. Say, say, 'Look, I tried to tell these people to get away from here.' Said, 'I didn't have to come down to no YMCA to hear him preach anymore cause God can give me a vision and a revelation out there, out there on my job.' I looked at him, said, 'Well look here, is that what you been doing? Have you been going down to the YMCA to hear me or anybody else preach down there?' I know they had been in attendance for years too. They just thought they was way up and smart, they got it all learned and they trying to prove it by me too. I said, 'Listen Stan.' I said, 'If you been coming down here to hear me preach, I'm disappointed, cause I haven't been going down there to hear Henry C. And if you've been coming down here to hear Henry C. preach, you was going to the wrong thing in the first place.' Get the point? All through the years while he was going down there now, he decided now he don't wanna go to school. He's gonna justify himself by saying, 'Look, I'm not going down there, I don't care if he is coming from Cleveland or some place. I just ain't going down there to hear him preach, cause God can give me a revelation out there on my job.' And I told him, I said, 'No Stan. If you been coming to the YMCA to hear Henry C. Kinley preach the gospel as a man you've been coming
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in vain all along. Now what you should have been doing was going down there to hear God speak just like when Israel gathered around the mountain.' They didn't gather around the mountain to hear Moses speak they gathered around the mountain to hear God. And when God spoke, He gave 'em to know that it wasn't Moses. Said, 'I am the Lord thy God that brought thee out of the land of Egypt and out of the house of bondage. Now look, don't you have Molech or none of the rest of them gods down there in Egypt before Me. Don't put nothing before Me. Don't put Moses, nobody else, I am the Lord thy God that brought thee out of the land of Egypt and out of the house of bondage, thou shall not have any other gods before Me. Now that's an introduction, that's who's speaking. Well even when He spoke, show 'em who He was, the earth trembled just to show you the shape and the condition. It'd be well to get it learned too. Every once in a while let something soak, even if you did hear it before, let it soak once. But then they didn't obey Him. As Paul said there, in the first chapter of Romans, when they knew God they glorified Him not as God. They didn't respect Him as God when they knew Him. There they was, they went up there in the mountain, looked right at Him, called 'em up there to see Him, Aaron and his ministers, Aaron and his sons and seventy elders went right back down and made the golden calf. Moses stayed up there in the mountain 40 days. When Moses got back down with Joshua, they done put the calf up there in the wilderness, the golden calf, God ____ ____ ____ . 40 days. Now here is people, they can't get from one Sunday to the other, and from one Tuesday night to the other. They got some kind of a crisis, some kind of a complaint, some kind of an idle thought, ____ the devil, saying, 'The devil makes me mistreat somebody, as Paul said when I would do good evil was present.' He's talking about him in his physical and his carnal state. Somebody said, ' Well, you can't say I ain't trying.' How's that? Said, 'I'm, I'm certainly am trying to overcome, I'm working hard with it.' The harder you work with it the worse off it's gonna be. Why don't you just stop and have some faith in God. You will never make it over yourself. What I'm telling you is, it's Christ that died. Now God promised to bless you if you believe. You can't overcome, it takes the overcomer in you to bring you over. The devil got you hog-tied, ain't nothing you can do about it. Quit wrestling, just give up. Somebody say, 'Well I'm trying.' Stop trying. Long as you're trying. 'What are you doing?' Say, 'Well I'm trying my best to live a Christian life.' Well you can't make it. The only way to tell you about it Roger, I'll tell you so you can understand it. Now God promised to make you an overcomer, or promised to bless you, if you just believe as He said to the disciples, 'Be of good cheer, cheer up,' I'm getting ready to overcome.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: No, He'd already overcome, He hadn't died either, He'd overcome in His conscience and in His mind. He's already conscious of it. So when you have faith in, in God, believe that He will bless you, you quit trying. What the people really are doing rather than trying to.., what they think they're doing, they're trying to live in such a way that won't nobody have nothing disrespectful to say about 'em. Ain't that right? I want everybody in the community to think I'm a good fellow. Well, I'm, I'm telling you now, you ain't no good. If anybody in the community thinks you are, then they, the only reason why they think that you are something good is because they ain't no good theirself. And somebody always
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trying to talk about me. Said 'Yeah, I know Henry C. Kinley.' Said, 'I know all his folks.' They said the same thing about Jesus. Said,'I know his daddy, that's George.' Said, 'He was a half age old drunkard.' Now George is like that. She, she ain't no good, talking about.., trying to throw up on me. Well look, my old man and your old man, and you and all your grandfolks, all your relatives run 'em back far enough to Adam, none of 'em were no good. Quit talking about yourself. When you talk about me like that, you're talking about yourself too.
They even tried to rub Jesus down with some of that psychology. Said, 'Good master.' Said, 'What do you call me good for? There's none good but My Father.' God in Him. Now there ain't nobody no good, if there was, He wouldn't had to come here and die. Heaven and earth was searched, and all of us from the fall of Adam. Paul said, all concluded, or included as you would say, under sin. Why? What's that for? So that the death of Jesus Christ would include you all the.., and now, and be ____ concluded, so everyone that believes shall have faith in Him. He's overcome the world, and not your hypocriting around here drinking down some grape juice and running up here diving up in the creek. Now ain't that right? Somebody got so particular about it, said, 'No.' Said, 'I don't wanna be baptized up there behind that pool, I wanna get baptized in running water.' 'What for?' 'I want my sins washed away. I wanna go down to the river, that's where Jesus was baptized.' See how stupid people are. Don't tell me they're not like that. That never, that never washed away nobody's sin. When you get your face and your hands real nice and clean, use some deodorant and some real good soap and some of the very best recommended and expensive soap, supposed to cleanse the pores and skin. They say Dove does it, removes all that, but when you get through it, you ain't clean, psychologically and spiritually. That soap won't touch it, the water won't touch it, the deodorant doesn't touch it. That it won't sanctified or to the purifying of the flesh. You're cleaned physically, so as for as the physical body is concerned, but the mind or the conscience that's.., the blood of bulls and goats and turtle doves and heifers, it sanctified to the purifying of the flesh. It is the ____. As Paul said, if the blood of bulls and goats and turtledoves and heifers sanctified to the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Jesus Christ is come, purge your conscience (are you listening? You say you're listening.) from dead works. Don't you see all them things you're doing is dead. Dead works. To serve a living God. What are you doing down there in the creek? That's a baptism to death, you are supposed to be resurrected. You see the point? Well, we can't get people to see them things, we can't get 'em to understand. ____. You all like that?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now we are kept by the power of God through faith, which is the real substance. And nobody at no time.., God ain't said, hadn't said nothing to you about offering up no bullocks and doves, hadn't said anything at all to you about keeping those sabbath days, hadn't said anything. I'm talking about the gentiles. Hadn't said anything at all to them about keeping those passovers, hadn't said a thing about it. Hadn't said anything at all to them about getting baptized, hadn't said nothing. And look, if you know anything about the purpose of God, that's the reason why I drew these charts so we could just look right at 'em and see, and
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take your Bible. There never has been nobody able to refute it. Now look, here now the devil out there telling you you got to be baptized, you a gentile. Where you find that at in the Book? I mean in water. It's not even in the almanac, to say nothing about it being in the Bible. I mean that God has said so. Yes, I know the brethren made a whole lotta mistakes, more of them than anything else. Just, just, just draw one great, just, just one great big question mark and you got that told, cause everybody was mistaken and wrong. That's what Jesus said so. Said when the Holy Ghost is come, then He'll teach you. Well, if you already knew what, if they already knew what it was all about, well what the.., there wouldn't be anything for the Holy Ghost to them 'em. And He said He'd bring to your remembrance everything I said back to you. When Peter commanded Cornelius and them to be baptized, they were gentiles, the Holy Ghost said to 'em, 'Now you remember.' And Peter said, he remembered the words of the Lord how he said John truly baptized with water, you remember that, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days later. You can't fix what's in this Bible and people are twisting it all up. And listen Roger. Somebody said, 'Well they're Jews.' No, the Jews ain't got no business being baptized now. Even them that denied Christ and Peter preached to 'em on the Day of Pentecost, no business at all in the water and the Holy Ghost didn't say for 'em to get in the water either. ____ been disputing Jesus Christ. Want me to explain what I'm talking about? You want me to go ahead and explain it now? Now many of the chief priest and pharisees went to John's baptism. They rejected the counsel of God, they refused to be baptized. You got that? They rejected it, they wouldn't be... Now John, when he was baptizing, before Jesus died, in the water; it's a baptism of repentance. And he said, 'They, they have to confess that they broke the law,' or they're dead just like Adam had to confess. And when Adam broke the law, a burial. The Jew, he broke the law, a burial. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Alright. Now when Moses brought the Children of Israel out of Egypt, there ____ ____ that the children of Israel, it didn't say He brought any of the gentiles out. And all, not some of 'em, no ma'am, no sir, but all of them Jews was baptized in the Red Sea and in the cloud that Moses brought out. Everyone of 'em. Is that right? Women, men, children, everybody, all up in that Red Sea, they was all.., so says the Book. Now look, here comes along John. Now John has to come because this is so back here. And Jesus said, 'now it behooves us to fulfil all this back here.' Well, if John wasn't none of, none of the Jews that's baptized in the cloud and in the sea, then you don't, you don't have to ask nobody nothing. Then you know John can't baptize nobody but the Jews. Now the gentiles, which is the Egyptians, they were pursing 'em. They go right up in the, the Red Sea. What happened? They got drowned, that's all. You see the point? Killed. The same thing that is salvation to one is, is, is destruction to the other. You understand now? Now look, look. Now you've gone all through here, John is baptizing. Now they rejected.., remember that's what I told you they rejected the council of God and they refused to be baptized of John. But look, he was just as dead as any man was. Just as dead as them that was baptized, had to confess that a man was dead, and this body is the grave in which he was buried in, all of 'em. Now watch, now here's Jesus. And there's all.., always somebody talking about what Jesus said, even if they don't know what he's talking about. Always somebody talking about Jesus said. Ain't that right? Just like, we, we read to you there in Matthew 26:26. Jesus said that. Now if you wanna find out when and where and what the occasion was, that's something
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different. He didn't say nothing about nobody, gentiles was back there eating no supper and there wasn't none of 'em present there. Is that right?
Student Body: Right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Was he?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: John, including Moses, ____ wasn't none of them, and neither did John baptize any of 'em. Well, where you getting the gentiles eating the lord's supper, where you getting the gentiles being baptized? Where are you getting this stuff at? It's not in the Book. Now Jesus said.., I'm back on that again, 15th chapter of Saint John. Said, 'I'm the true vine, I am the true vine.' What's the true vine? Don't you remember, thought you read that a branch shall come out of David. Said, 'I am the true vine, My Father is the husbandman.' Now you keep your eye.., say Roger this is under the dispensation of the law when He just said that. Said, 'I am the true vine, My Father is the husbandman.' And where you're reading at over there in the 31st chapter of Jeremiah, God said He was a good husband under the law. Said, 'My father is the husbandman. Every branch, 'listen Wallace, I didn't say roots, I said branch. Don't you know the difference between branches and roots. John said, John said the axe is laid at the root, not the branch, the root of every tree, listen, at every tree that My heavenly Father hath not planted shall be rooted up. He's looking at it. And He said twice dead, dead under the dispensation of the law, dead under.., twice dead, pulled up by the roots. God pulled 'em up by the roots. Said, 'Now I am the true vine, My Father is the husbandman.' Now you watch, now every branch that don't bear fruit, said My Father takes it away. 'Now Adam, I put you out there in the garden and all them dead branches, now you keep 'em trimmed up.' That's your father after the flesh, (you get the point?) where all of us come from. But, he didn't never get around to that, cause he, he, he, he, he, he messed up before he got there, before there was any dead branches. He got run out of the garden hisself. Said, 'Now I am the true vine, My Father is the husbandman, every branch that beareth fruit,' now you keep your eyes on it. Some of these things that Jesus has said, at least some of 'em oughta be right. Said, Every branch, every branch now, not branches that brings forth fruit, He purges it that it might bring forth more fruit. And every branch that don't, said His Father took it away. Who is, who is His Father? God is spirit. 'What are you talking about man?' I'm talking about these people back there that rejected John's water baptism, and I'm saying they don't have no business in the water. No. Peter preaching there on the Day of Pentecost, can't put 'em in no water because Christ is planted, He's raised from the dead. Now, are you listening? And all of them branches was broken off that didn't bear fruit or didn't get the Holy Ghost, they were broken off. Is that right? You say that's right. Peter said, they said to Peter on the Day of Pentecost back there, they were pricked in their hearts and Peter told 'em that they had crucified the Lord of heaven. And they said, 'What shall we do?' He said, 'Repent everyone of you and be baptized.' John's baptism of repentance, repent every one of you and be baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Is that what he told 'em? Now remember, he's broken off around the
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branches so don't you start down here planting down around the roots. You break 'em off out of the branches. Isn't that.., that's why Paul said to the Hebrews, 'therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ let us go unto perfection not laying again the foundation for repentance from dead works, and the doctrines of baptisms,' plural, any kind, I don't care how you do it: throw it on 'em over his head, stand him on edge... I don't care what you say and how you do it. Just leave all that, all of them modes of baptisms. They're dead works. Is that, is that he tells 'em? And look who he's writing to, he's telling the Hebrews that, of the doctrines of, doctrines of baptism and laying on of hands and the resurrection. I been raised from the dead brother. We're preaching that He's raised from the dead not buried out there in Joseph's new tomb. And if he didn't raise from the dead, Paul said then our faith is vain, you're still yet in your sins. He couldn't make, He couldn't fulfil them ordinances and then triumph or be victorious ov.., unless He raised from the dead. So we're preaching a resurrected Christ, preaching He is victorious. We're teaching that we're crucified with Him, buried with Him. Yes indeed. Christ was nailed out there on the cross. We're not looking for no physical body, we already got one. We're looking for immortality. Now let me go on and explain what I'm talking about. 11th chapter of Romans, Dr. Harris, and I'll just show you. Now Paul said that if them same Jews that was broken off up here in the branches now. Now listen Doc, don't, don't, don't fumble around so, don't, don't, please, don't do that. Jesus said the branches.
So now don't you start planting, you just stay in the branches. Branch means branch and roots means the roots, branch means branch, grass means grass. How's that? You get the point? alright. Them that rejected the council of God. Read.
Reader: and if some of the branches be broken off
Dr. Kinley: and if, and if some of the branches be broken off
Reader: and thou being a wild olive tree
Dr. Kinley: Now Jesus said, every one that ____, brake it off. Now Jesus is under the dispensation of the law and Paul said if you, some of the branches be broken off... Now look, if I would bring you right down to the same thing today. Now listen, listen close, see that you get it. Now we're down to the end right now of this age where it's supposed to be repeating. Now if so.., what if some of the branches be broken off, only a remnant come from the dispensation of the law to the dispensation of grace, so the branches were broken off. Now here we are down to end of this one and now we're trying to get over into immortality, And a lotta of 'em are being broken off, many fall away. Get the point? To whom the promise was made. You get the point? That's just a remnant of it should be saved. Nothing but a repetition. Jesus said as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be... And that's how it was when He was crucified, that was the end of a world too, just like the flood. And now we're going down to the end of this age. The same thing is happening. And all of this trash and stuff that you got, calling yourself preaching the gospel, but got you out there eating up all of these natural things instead of spiritual things. Nothing else but spiritual devils going forth to the kings of the earth, working miracles. It is a sorcery showing works, satanic that
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they're talking about, he said, then that is a repeat or repeating the words that Jesus said, repeating 'em in Latin: hocus pocus. Somebody back there in Ohio, it says on a tape there: abra cadabra. Now what it, what, what, now they are saying, they're using in Latin the same words that Jesus said, when He said, 'This is My body.' ____ ____ in latin ____ ____. They know better. That's sorcery. Jesus said, 'Now ____ My flesh.' He said, 'The flesh profiteth nothing, the words that I speak they are spirit and life.' If you would ____ ____ that way. Uh, uh. Without a parable He would, He would never speak, but He's always took the natural to show you the spiritual. That's what He told Nicodemus. Just look at the natural. Man is made in the likeness and image of God, he's a natural man made in the likeness of an incorporeal vision. You see the point? You wanna know how God is, look at the man, cause he's made in the likeness, attributes and all were there. Somebody said, 'Well, say look here, wait a minute. I got arthritis in here, arm stiff and sore, got to get some liniment and stuff.' No, no, uh, uh. There ain't no arthritis between love and justice, and meekness. Ain't nothing in there, no skin in there, they're joined together perfectly, and they work. You don't need no crutch to hop around on to do things. ____ why he's just, just free, just ____, don't hurt at all. No friction at all between love and meekness and justice. You're are put together physically so like those attributes that make up the Godhead. Oh, it's wonderful when you understand. Some say, 'Well we know. I been trying to get straightened out, hopping along.' 'Say brother,' said, 'I, I know but I got arthritis in it.' You can't run, you can't walk through it, hopping along on excuses and crutches. 'Well I hope to overcome some day.' Just take the crutch out, just take the crutch out and straighten up and walk. Ain't that what Jesus did healing them people physically so, to let them know that He can heal their souls. Eternal life is far better and far greater. And as He said greater things than these shall you do because I go unto the Father. Why far greater of healing somebody's inner man than it is of his old corruptible body. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, but he died again. And they were being raised from the dead before Jesus come. Elijah raised the widow's son, he died all over again. But it's a great thing to raise somebody from the dead, sure enough, inside. That's why Jesus said that. Everybody's got to put on an incorporeal or a spiritual body. Everybody's got to take this mortal off. I don't care how good you are. And listen. I don't care how bad you are either. There's got to be a change made to this. Yeah, there's gonna be a change made. You don't need to worry about it. It'll happen anyhow. Somebody said, 'Well I hope, I trust it will happen. It will happen. Somebody said, 'Well when the roll is called up yonder, I'll be there.' Don't worry about it. You'll be there. Cause Paul said, Christ said, as long as I liveth saith the Lord, to me every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess. And He told the Children of Israel, Moses to tell the Children of Israel, said, 'now you gather 'em up around the mountain, give you three days to do that, wash the clothes and get up around the mountain.' He said, 'Be there, no excuse, just be there.' Somebody said, 'Well, I ain't got my washing done yet.' You be there, better have it done too. Gave you three days to get this laundry thing straightened out, don't want you coming up all dirtied up like that. Clean up. Sanctify and the purifying of the flesh. Get straightened out there. Come up here and then God, He spoke from the mountain. They was there too, no excuses, no alibis. Jesus showing there, they told 'em to go out in the high way. And here they go out in the high way. Say, 'Now this is what you tell them when you go out there, you tell them that the oxen
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is prepared everything is already. Already done, done died and resurrected from the dead, everything's all fixed up, just come up, everything's all right. You don't have to do no cooking, no washing dishes, nor none of that. You don't have to fool around standing over no hot stove, no rotisserie, baking no lamb. Everything's already.' Went down to the highway and beat them out of there. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ . Said the highway, said, the master said, 'Come to feast.' Said, 'Don't have to worry about nothing, everything's all prepared.' 'Just glad to come, but you know I just got married today, this is my anniversary, this is my first wedding anniversary. I just married myself a wife and I would come if it wasn't for that.' The other fella out yonder went on down here with excuses; went out here, he said, 'Well, I would have been there just as sure, but you know today I just bought me a yoke of oxen.' Now the feast is at night. Now he gonna plow the oxen at night out there in the field. 'Expect somebody to believe that jive.' Just any kinda thing he could hatch up. Said, 'Well why wasn't you there? What happened?' And then somebody said, 'Well, I think this one'll do.' Listen, Paul said in the first chapter of Romans there, he said no excuses, no excuses at all. God's not gonna accept any excuses for your absenteeism and we're all gonna be present. God's gonna make it His business to see to it that we are. Have I helped you any?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now let me finish up what I.., I haven't forgotten the continuity of thought. Now you all of these that Dr. Harris has said, the Jews that were, now listen, let me finish it up. I'm gonna try to finish it up real quick too, but I do want it explained. All right now.
Reader: and if some of the branches be broken off
Dr. Kinley: No. Jesus said, I am the true vine under the law and everyone, the spirit broke off that didn't receive the spirit on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was poured out. They were broken off, if some of the branches be broken off. All right, read on.
Reader: and thou being a wild olive tree
Dr. Kinley: you being a wild olive tree
Reader: were grafted in among them
Dr. Kinley: Now you see what it is? A olive tree. You being a wild olive tree grafted in among them. Then what?
Reader: and with them
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute Doc. Why, why don't you read what you got in the book? Wild olive tree. Here's the ____, he's said grafted, he didn't say planted. He didn't say roots. Grafted. Gentiles grafted. Somebody said, 'Well I don't believe old Pete should get him in the water.' God grafted 'em in. Yeah, grafted
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not planted. Graft the gentiles. Now where some of 'em been broken off and you being a wild oli.., these gentiles, they're grafted in, gentiles. All right, now I'm talking about them that refused John's baptism, I'm talking about the Jews there. Alright, read.
Reader: and with them partakers of the root.
Dr. Kinley: and with them partakers of the root
Reader: and fatness of the olive tree
Dr. Kinley: and fatness of the olive tree
Reader: boast not against the branches
Dr. Kinley: Now don't boast against the natural branches. Now you were wild and now you're grafted in among the natural. Now don't do no boasting 'em, the Jews, the jews by nature. Don't do that, because they were broken off and you were grafted in, not among the roots, not planted, no, no plantings, it's over with. We don't need no planting, we need a digging up. We need a resurrection. Already dead and buried. What we need is a resurrection. All right, read on Doc.
Reader: but if thou boast
Dr. Kinley: but if thou boast
Reader: thou barest not
Dr. Kinley: Now gentiles, now if you boast, thou barest not the root. You don't bare the root.
Reader: but the root thee
Dr. Kinley: but the root barest you, Christ bears you. All right, read on.
Reader: thou will say then
Dr. Kinley: Now then here you come up, then thou will say then. 'Well they were broken off so I could be grafted in.' Just got to throw away now. Told you not to boast against the natural branches, like the devil is doing over yonder in the Vatican. Get the point? Alright, read on.
Reader: well because of unbelief
Dr. Kinley: well because of unbelief
Reader: they were broken off
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Dr. Kinley: they were broken off because of unbelief. I mean the Jews, them that wasn't baptized out there at John's baptism, they were broken off because of unbelief. Am I making it clear? Alright, read.
Reader: and thou standeth by faith
Dr. Kinley: And you always the Jew stood by faith from the.., even the promises made to Abraham, made by faith before the giving of the law. God promised a blessing that through his seed. You see what preaching the gospel means? You see how ____ the thing? You see how wise God is? All right, read on Doc.
Reader: be not high minded
Dr. Kinley: Don't be high minded, don't be.., 'Blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm the head of the thing. I'm ____ this way. We're the ____ ____ ____, we found that to be so, we gonna straighten this thing out, we're gonna get together. You Protestants, you got to come on back in here. You Jews, we're gonna set up a secretary for you so you can get in it.' You over in that pope's business, you see the ignorance, that's what you got out here. You have to have it, because if you didn't, then the scriptures couldn't be fulfilled. Alright, read on.
Reader: but fear.
Dr. Kinley: but you fear. Listen, read.
Reader: for if God spared not the natural branches
Dr. Kinley: for if God spared not the natural... You remember we had Jimmy to read that a while ago. God spared not the angels. God don't spare, didn't spare the natural branches. Take heed, watch out you gentiles, lest he don't spare you, be broken off too. Read.
Reader: behold therefore the goodness.
Dr. Kinley: Look, look at the goodness and look at the severity of God. Read, doc.
Reader: on them which fell
Dr. Kinley: on them which fell severity,
Reader: but towards thee goodness.
Dr. Kinley: but towards you goodness. Alright, read on doc.
Reader: will now continue in his goodness.
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Dr. Kinley: Now, that's if. If, if you continue in His goodness. Don't you go on in delusions. Start to doing that stuff. It said, if you continue in His goodness. Stay in there like God put you in there. Don't go back and dib dabble around them carnal things, you continue in His goodness. As you received the Lord Jesus walking, don't do no back tracking. Alright, read on.
Reader: otherwise
Dr. Kinley: otherwise if you don't do it. Then what?
Reader: thou also shall be cut off
Dr. Kinley: you also shall be cut off. You see that? The gentiles, they'll be cut off, if they don't. All right Doc.
Reader: and they also
Dr. Kinley: also
Reader: if they abide not still in unbelief
Dr. Kinley: Now they, and they also if they abide not still in unbelief. Now the cardinal point I want you to see is this: I'm talking about them Jews that didn't.., rejected the baptism. I'm saying they don't have no business in the water either. It's a dead work, and I'm gonna make him read it. You know good and well you don't have no business in it. This is a mystery. Read on Doc.
Reader: shall be grafted in.
Dr. Kinley: Huh?
Reader: if they still abide not in still unbelief.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute, now them that rejected John's baptism that were broken off, you were grafted in. If they abide not still in unbelief (are you listening) then they'd get baptized.
Student Body: No
Dr. Kinley: If not that, then what? Be grafted in. Don't you see he ain't got no business dib dabbling around down there in the water. He's grafted back in, he was broken off among the branches. Gentiles grafted in among the branches. He was broken off among the branches and if he abide not still in unbelief then he'd be grafted back in among the branches, not the roots. Listen, I know what I'm talking about Freddy. You just don't abide in unbelief. No, he ain't said nothing about putting nobody in no water. All them carnal ordinances is over with. It's a dead work. And I'm trying my best in everything I know to do to get you to see that what you're coming down here to this school for is to learn something about God and the mystery of God and the mystery of iniquity, and how them devils and
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you can tell every last one of them that gets up here with carnal mind and a carnal ordinance and dib dabbling around in the natural thing, and living under the dispensation of the law. But in this dispensation we believe that Christ did everything, fulfilled everything. Died, He was the redeemer and we believe God made Him to be sin for us that we might be the righteousness of God in Christ. And He just took, God just took His Son and put them stripes in all on Him that we might be... And it's by faith that God has promised.., if you believe that He, God done it then it's by faith, not by the works but by faith. And then faith is really a work. Jesus said, 'This is the works that you believe on him that sent me.' Not the works of the law. Now do you see what the difference is? Now look out over Christendoom and see how much they understand the mystery of God and you see that they don't. You see now? Let us have the announcements please, wasn't that one quick.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
received from Lamar Greer
2 90 minute audio cassettes
ROTHSTEIN CATALOG # 65.0506
GREER CATALOG # 31A
Transcribed by Dr. Sandra Giragosian, Michael Rothstein, and Cathy Fenti
Proofread by Michael Rothstein, Geraldine Rothstein, and Cathy Fenti
Proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: ... in answer to your question that way in a way that you can understand. You have the right to continue to try to investigate further. And I'll wrestle with you until you do understand it. But I want to tell you one thing I'm not interested in, and I do not want to be bothered with it. I don't wanna be bothered with somebody that's asking a whole lotta questions just to be contentious and what not. Now, if it isn't for your own personal good and benefit and for your edification, and I do mean personal, why then don't bother me with it, because I don't wanna be, I don't want to be bothered, I, I don't have time to fool with nothing like that.
But, if it's something that pertains to God and His purpose and your salvation, I'm always ready to, at all times. And remember I said that you were permitted to ask questions, not only in this class but in every class. That's what the school is for, is for, not for you to just bring up a whole lotta contentions and then not for you
to contend that you don't understand the thing just because you don't, you, you wanna see it some other way. Now, if you wanna see it some other way other than God has put it, why then that's all right with me, too; just don't bother me with
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it, because we don't have time to fool with that.
This gospel has got to be preached in all this age or all the world. Now, it's preached for a witness, and preached to deliver and to save your soul. Now, I'll tell you what John said... I don't want to be here. I don't want to continue to hold you in the services here tonight and all this kinda thing, after 10 o'clock. I don't like to do that. And I don't like for somebody to get up and just wasting time either. So now, if you realize the, that it is important.
Now, we want to talk to you about ignorance and blasphemy. Now, blasphemies are committed sometimes through ignorance, not all the time but sometimes through ignorance.
You remember when Jesus was hanging on the cross, He said,'Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.'1 Do you recall that? They did not know realize. Now that was prophetic that they would be in that state, frame of mind or to be ignorant about the time of their visitation.2
God had given them eyes of blindness. And Paul in the 12th chapter, I believe it is, or the 11th chapter of Romans, said this: that this blindness in part has already happened unto Israel. And now they blasphemed against Jesus.
And did you recall.., maybe you better open your book and read it. Matthew, about 12:31. And, and just read it. Now, this is Jesus, before He died. Now, I'm gonna try to be particular with this.
Reader: Wherefore
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore
Reader: I say unto you,
Dr. Kinley: Now, this is Jesus talking. I say unto you,
Reader: all manner of sin and blasphemy
Dr. Kinley: all manner of sin and blasphemy
Reader: shall be forgiven unto men:
Dr. Kinley: shall be forgiven unto men:
Reader: but the blasphemy
Dr. Kinley: but the blasphemy
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2 Luke 19:44
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Reader: against the Holy Ghost
Dr. Kinley: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost
Reader: shall not be forgiven unto men.
Dr. Kinley: Now it shall not be forgiven. Now, let me say this. That's just one of the inaccuracies and ignorance of the people. Now remember, I'm trying pinpoint things. And I don't want to make no apologies for it, and I want you to accept it just like I tell you, because I'm carefully choosing my words.
That's one reason why we do not believe in a ____ ____. Now, when I say that,you know and every other Catholic there is on the face of the earth knows that he is taught to go to confession, and to make confession. Then he goes on out of there and does something else, then he has to go back to make another confession to the priest. Now does anybody want to dispute that? Now, that whole entire system is incorrect, just wrong. Now, here's how and why: Christ was manifest to make an end of sin.3
Peter, do you recall, said to Jesus, said,'Master, if my brother sin against me, how often shall I forgive him, until the seventh time?'4 And Jesus, that's in a day, and Jesus said,'Seventy times seven.' Now, that's 490 times in a day. Now I want you to see what I'm talking about. Now that's his brother and he. Now this pertains to the Jews. This pertains to the Jews, the twelve tribes. Peter is saying to Him, 'Now, how often shall I forgive my brother if he sin against me?' And Jesus said... He said, Peter said,'until the seventh time?' He said,'Seventy times seven.' Now, that's 490 ninety years or 490 times in that one day that his brother sinned against him. You get the point? Now is that clear? Does everybody understand that? Is that the way it reads in the Bible?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, Jesus told him seventy times seven, that's 490 times in one day, He said until that time, the four hundred and ninth time. Now, here's what I want you to see. At the close of that 490 years, from the going forth of the commandment unto Artaxerxes, this is what Jesus is telling you about, He didn't explain it, was 490 years or seventy times seven. And at the close of that He, Himself, would be offered up for sin. His blood would atone for sin. Now, that's Jesus.
Now John said that He was manifested to make an end of sin, to get it stopped. So now, when He's offered up out there, there will be no more brother sinning against brother to have to go and confess all the time. That's why I said the confession business is all wrong, as it is in ____. Now, have I made that clear? A man that has got the Holy Ghost in him or has got Christ in him definitely and
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4 Matthew 18:21-22
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positively does not sin against his brother; and not only that, he does not commit sin. Well, somebody say,'Well, why don't he?' Because His seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin. Now, they're saying you're going out there sinning against your brother, and then running and confessing it to the priest out there, and you're going right back out and doing the same thing all over again. Now, that's nothing but just open blasphemy. Now, do you see why I said that? It's open blasphemy. There absolutely is nothing to it whatsoever.
Now James said this, confess your faults one to another that you may be healed.5 Now, all of Israel under the dispensation of the Law, (Are you listening now?) under the dispensation of the Law, and under.., (You see that conjunction?) and under the dispensation of Grace, have not attained to absolute perfection in every polytechnical detail; in other words, they grow in grace, there's something to learn. Now, that thing he does not know, that that he hasn't learned, then it's the ministry's job to teach, because it is supposed to be Christ in the ministry now, as it was.., I mean in this dispensation, as it was Christ when He was here in the flesh doing the teaching; in other words, it's not the flesh and not the man that's doing the teaching; it's Christ or God that's teaching through the man.
Now, I want to, to go back and I wanna bear down on it. I wanna bear down on it, because we are all gonna get in trouble here before the night is gone. We're gonna be in a serious pot of trouble, and I'm talking about the ministry out here. Now, I said serious trouble! Now, I won't have to repeat that to you no more, will I?
Now, in this school, what we have did... I'm pretty sure that everybody hasn't caught on to it yet or had it understood yet. I'm gonna say the same.., I want you to read in your Bible. Isaiah 8:20. And you notice right up here on this chart, you'll find it says Isaiah 8:20 right up here. I want you to read it out of the Bible. Now you all try to be quick cause I got a long way to go and I told you didn't want keep you here, up here tonight.
Reader: To the law
Dr. Kinley: Now, it says, to the law
Reader: and to the testimony:
Dr. Kinley: and to the testimony:
Reader: if they speak
Dr. Kinley: if they speak. Read.
Reader: not according to this word,
Dr. Kinley: if they speak not according to this word,
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Reader: it is because there is no light in them.
Dr. Kinley: it is because there is no light in them. Now you heard that, didn't you? Now, that is not just something that makes some good poetical reading. Now, it said to the law and to the testament, testimony, or to the Law and to the prophets, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in 'em. Now, let me see if I can explain that.
Now, the prophets, they prophesied from the beginning of the world on down. Now, is that.., I'm talking about before the flood too. Now, we got that understood? Now, when God gave the Law from Mount Sinai, when God gave the Law from Mount Sinai, I want you to understand it, it's explicably, profoundly, accurately, without any error, without any doubtful disputations, (How'm I doing?) the Law, when it was given, it stood 0 N L Y, only... I want you to read that too, in the 9th chapter of Hebrews. Now, what I'm, what I'm explaining now, so that you don't make no errors and no mistakes or misunderstanding, I'm explaining that the Law back here, it stood only in... given from Mt. Sinai to the, to the, to the Jews, to the Jews only, and remember I did not say Gentiles, so don't, don't think I said the Gentiles. And, as you heard me say a lotta times, it's not, not a Bible reading contest. And we haven't got time trying to teach you something and we stop and listen to a whole lotta stupidity and ignorance. Let's clear, let's try to clear up some of it now. Now, read, whoever has it, read out loud and clear.
Dr. Harris: Which stood only in meats and drink, and divers washings,6
Dr. Kinley: Go up further there, Dr. Harris. Now, you listen.
Dr. Harris: Which was a figure for the time then present,
Dr. Kinley: If you go on up and pick up the subject and come on down and get the predicate there.
Dr. Harris: The Holy Ghost this signifying,
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen, the Holy Ghost, the Holy Ghost, I said the Holy Ghost this signified. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: that the way into the holiest of all
Dr. Kinley: that the way into the holiest of all or into the Most Holy Place, that's within the second veil... All right, read.
Dr. Harris: was not yet made manifest,
Dr. Kinley: Now, it wasn't revealed while the first Tabernacle was yet standing. Now, if it wasn't revealed at that time, could you expect the people to understand.
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Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: See that now? When it wasn't revealed, there was no way for 'em to understand it. You get it? All right.
Dr. Harris: Which was a figure for the time then present,
Dr. Kinley: Which was a figure... Now, I want you to get this straight. Which was a figure for the time then present. Now, when I say, Freddy, for the time then present, I don't mean it is for the present time. It was under the dispensation of the Law, before Jesus Christ was crucified, before the Law was fulfilled. It couldn't pass, so it was for the time then present. Now, here's what we have done, we have mixed it all up with this time over here, and confused it. For the time then present... All right. Read.
Dr. Harris: in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices,
Dr. Kinley: in which was offered both gifts and sacrifices,
Dr. Harris: that could not make him
Dr. Kinley: that could not make him
Dr. Harris: that did the service perfect,
Dr. Kinley: as pertaining to the conscience. Read.
Dr. Harris: Which stood only in meats
Dr. Kinley: Now, I want you to get this straight now. I want you to get this straight, get, get straight once and for all. You understand me now? Let's don't let this thing happen no more. Let's don't come up ignorant about it. Let's don't come up stupid about it. Let's don't blaspheme God about it. Am I making it clear? Which stood 0 N L Y, in meats and drinks, and diverse washings, and carnal ordinances. Now you get that, Freddie?
Person: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: You sure you got it, Freddy?
Person: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: All right. ...in which was offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him perfect as pertaining to the conscience, which stood only in meats and drinks, and diverse washings, and carnal ordinances. Now, that makes me have to explain this to you. Now it forces me up to it, it drives me up to it. I have no other alternative.
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Now I have to tell you what are carnal... What's the word carnal means? And I have to tell you what the word ordinance means. Now I have to tell you that. Apparently, the world out there has not learned it. And the reason.., and, and, and because they have not learned it that means that they are ignorant, and that also means that they've blasphemed against God. Why are they ignorant, because they have not learned, I could tell you ____ about that. Now, the word carnal means... What does it mean?
Student Body: Natural. Worldly. Sensual.
Dr. Kinley: Worldly, the natural, sensual, death, physical... Now, let's, let's, let's clear it up. Now ordinance means... What does that mean?
Student Body: Ceremonies. Rites.
Dr. Kinley: No, that didn't ____ now. You have to answer me.
Student Body: Law.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Ordinance means a law. Now, somebody said,'Well now, what's the necessity of all of that?'
Now here's how the world got in trouble. To show you. Back here in the Garden of Eden where this mess started, the third chapter of Genesis, you will find there that God had given Adam and Eve a law. And He told them that they could eat of all of the fruit of the trees or eat of all of the trees in the Garden except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And they must not touch it or eat of it. Now, listen
to what I wanna tell you. That is a carnal ordinance. That's a natural, physical body that Adam and Eve had. The fruit of those trees in that Garden, which was to sustain and to nourish that physical body, it was, those were, that was natural. Now, that was natural, that was physical, that was worldly, that was carnal, (Are you following me, now?) ordinance given to a natural man, a natural fruit, a natural man, a carnal ordinance. Now, what did I say that for? I said that to let you know that the carnal ordinances which God gave Israel were just as natural, just as physical. The giving of the Passover, ____ ____ ____ and all of those feasts, and everything that they dealt with, was dealing with that physical body, foot washings, eating of the lamb, the goat, the bullock, the heifer. Now, every bit of it was carnal, carnal ordinance, given to a carnal man. Now, that's why you have to go back, you have to go back to the Law. Now, we said to the Law and to the Testimony. Now, you have to go back to the Law. You have to go back to that Law that was given to Adam. Have to go back to that Law that was given to Israel. And that law that was given to Adam and Eve stood only... And that Law that was given to Israel stood only... Now, am I getting over to you? Now, God always takes special pains. I said special pains. Now, He told Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of that tree. He didn't let 'em go and eat of the fruit of the tree, and then tell them,'You ought not to have done that.' He told them up front, didn't He? Get it now? So, there must be consequences if you eat of it. Now, here comes along the Devil in the 3rd chapter of Genesis. Read.
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Reader: Now the serpent
Dr. Kinley: Now the serpent
Reader: was more subtle
Dr. Kinley: was more subtle
Reader: than any beast of the field
Dr. Kinley: or keen, deceptive. Now, let me get this straight so that you can see what I'm talking about. Now the reason... Now, a lotta people haven't never considered what you just read. They just read,'Now the serpent was more subtle that any beast of the field which the Lord God had created.' Now, I got to go up and show you in revelation, revelations means revealed. Now, I got to show you where that serpent come from. Now, that serpent was not a serpent. Serpent like a earthly man was, like a earthly beasts that the Lord had created from the earth in other words, the serpent wasn't made from the earth, as was the man and the beasts of the field. But he was more subtle... And the Lord made him too but he was more subtle in the position which he was created than the man or any of the beasts of the field which the Lord God had made. Now, I want you to know where the serpent come from, and I wanna make sure that we pinpoint it. All right, read, Dr. Harris. Where are you reading?
Dr. Harris: Twelfth chapter of Revelations.
Dr. Kinley: Now, he's reading in the 12th chapter of Revelations.
Dr. Harris: ...seventh verse.
Dr. Kinley: Now, he's reading the 7th verse of the 12th chapter of Revelations. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: There was war in heaven:
Dr. Kinley: And there was war in heaven. Now, you see where that is. There was war in heaven:
Dr. Harris: Michael and his angels fought
Dr. Kinley: Michael and his angels fought
Dr. Harris: against the dragon;
Dr. Kinley: against the dragon;
Dr. Harris: and the dragon fought and his angels,
Dr. Kinley: and the dragon fought and his angels,
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Dr. Harris: and prevailed not;
Dr. Kinley: and prevailed not;
Dr. Harris: neither was their place found any more in heaven
Dr. Kinley: neither was their place found any more in heaven
Dr. Harris: And the great dragon was cast out,
Dr. Kinley: And the great dragon was cast out of heaven,
Dr. Harris: that old serpent
Dr. Kinley: that old serpent, called what?
Dr. Harris: called the Devil, and Satan,
Dr. Kinley: I said the old serpent. Now that's where I'm at. Serpent! Now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the field. That old serpent which was created in the realm of heaven, was more subtle than the man or any of the beasts of the field which the Lord God had made. Now, have I got that over?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, you just read that he was cast out of heaven. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: which deceiveth the whole world:
Dr. Kinley: Now, which deceiveth the whole world
Dr. Harris: he was cast out into the earth,
Dr. Kinley: he was cast out into the earth,
Dr. Harris: and his angels were cast out with him.
Dr. Kinley: and his angels were cast out with him. Now listen, let me tell you, before I get to it. Let me tell you, before I get to it, Freddy. I wanna make it clear. I wanna make it plain. I don't want no mistakes about it. I don't want no speculation, no presuming about it. Now, that old serpent was cast out of heaven into the earth. That.., those satanic spirits were cast out of heaven into earth, and it was more subtle, more prudent, more cunning than any of the beasts of the field, which the Lord God had created. Now, follow me close. Follow me close. Now then, now that was the devil you said and his angles (angels?). Now here's what I want you to see here. Now if he's cast out into the earth... That's what you said. But now, I want you to find him down here. I want you to locate him. Now Jude... Wait a minute. Jude 4. Now you all try to be quick cause time is passing rapidly.
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Reader: And the angels which kept not their first estate,7
Dr. Kinley: And the angels which kept not their first estate; that is, kept not the position in which they were created. Them angels which kept not their first estate, were what?
Reader: but left their own habitation,
Dr. Kinley: but left their own habitation,
Reader: he hath reserved in everlasting chains
Dr. Kinley: Now, he hath reserved in everlasting chains of darkness to the great day of judgement. Now, who's, who's reading there?
Reader: Jude.
Dr. Kinley : Now here's Pete. See what he got to say about it.8
Dr. Harris: For if God spared not
Dr. Kinley: For if God spared not the angels
Dr. Harris: that sinned,
Dr. Kinley: that sinned,
Dr. Harris: but cast them down to hell,
Dr. Kinley: but, wait a minute. But cast them down to hell. Read
Dr. Harris: and delivered them into chains of darkness,
Dr. Kinley: and delivered them into chains of darkness. Now, listen, chains of darkness. Chains of, chains of darkness. What did he say that for? Don't you see that one dispensation and age is linked right with the other? But He delivered 'em into chains of darkness. Look, when Satan went to Eve out here, he's cast down. There's gonna be no conversion. You just might as well trying to quit convert the devil and his angels. That is not gonna happen. His final destiny, his doom is already fixed and sealed. Now, he's cast down to hell and reserved in chains of darkness. Now, you see where he's cast down to? Do you see that?
Student Body: Yes!
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Dr. Kinley: You sure? Apparently the most of us have never seen it and haven't never understood it. Now I'm gonna prove that to you too. All right, read, where you were in Peter there.
Dr. Harris: and to be reserved unto judgement;
Dr. Kinley: and to be reserved unto judgement. Now look, listen, you heard where he said he was cast down to. You heard where he said he come from. Now, when Jesus was here on earth, and He sent His disciples out, He sent them to cast out, out, to cast out devils or cast out them demons or them fallen angels. Out of who? Out of man or out of you. Now, you see that? They, if He sent them cast them out of men, can't you see where hell is?
Student Body: Yes!
Dr. Kinley: Now, he was cast down to hell and reserved in chains of darkness, I said darkness or ignorance, and reserved there. But just let me tell you this. Him and all his ignorance is more subtle than ____. Get it now? You see that? All right. And then Jesus sent the disciples out to cast them out. And they went out and cast them out of men, and then they come back with joy.9 And Jesus said,'Now don't rejoice because of this, but because your names are enrolled in heaven.' That is to say, before Jesus was born in the world, God had chosen those apostles, and Jesus knew them when He come along, just like He knew those devils, He said, I beheld Satan fall from heaven as lightning, cast him down, when they were cast out. You remember that now? Well, He knew every last one of them devils, for there was a devil in a man. He also knew the spirit that was in Peter and the twelve that were chosen. They were chosen before the foundation of the world. Now, are you up to date so far? You up to date?
Now then, if you're up to date, now they're bound in everlasting chains of darkness. Now, let me get the darkness straight insofar as the purpose of God is concerned, which God has kept hid within Himself until it was revealed by the Holy Ghost.
Now we are, let's see where we are. Let's see where we are now. Now, we're coming back here: to the Law and to the prophecy. Now, if, this is what you have to do. Might have to do this. I'm talking about the ministers. I'm talking about the ministers. Now, for the ministry to know whereof they speak as of now, they have to go back here to the Law, and see about these feasts, and these Passovers, and this Law that was given to Israel back there, that carnal ordinance. They have to come back here to this Garden of Eden, which is right here, got to come back here to this Garden of Eden and see about that law that was given to Adam and Eve. Now you have to come back here. Now, listen. Listen. Because that Law and the prophecy had to cor.., one confirmed the other. There wasn't anything in the Law but what had, necessary for, to be confirmed by the prophets. Now if, when the prophets spoke, (listen now) when the prophets spoke under the dispensation of the Law out of harmony with what was concealed in the Law, he
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was a false prophet. You get the point?
Now let me see if I can show that to you. Now, the Law said, just let me point out some specifics, the Law said, Moses said, Moses said in Deuteronomy, 'A prophet shall the Lord thy God raise up unto thee, like unto me, him shall ye hear.'10 That's the Law. Now when Isaiah prophesied, he better prophesy in harmony with them, if he don't, he's a liar; therefore he had to say, a virgin shall conceive, and bring forth a son, And thou shall call His name Immanuel.11 So then that means I have to go back to that Law, and I got to go back to that prophesy to know what's going on. you get it now?
Now, when Adam and Eve sinned back there in the garden, the woman, He who bruised the serpent's head, signifying a redeemer. Then that's got to be shown under the Law, got to be shown under the prophets, and I have to go back there. Now, if I follow that course or trend, then I am able to preach Christ without Matthew, without Mark, without Luke, without John, without the Acts of Apostles, without the Pauline epistles, and the Peterine epistles and John's epistles. I got to be able to prove Him from the Law and from the, and from the prophets. Get the point? Now, now, now do you understand that?
Now if I'm not able to preach Him from the Law and from the prophecy, then I'm not able to preach Him there. But now what we are doing in our present day ministry, they read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and call all that the New Testament, and say, "Well, we're not under the Law now, but we're living under grace.'
But you have to go back to the Law, in, in order to find out what's under grace, folks. Now, that's why they say... Now, if they speak not according to this word, it's because there's no light in 'em.12 And I'm not talking about the present day ministry, I'm talking about them prophets under the Law. If they didn't, if those prophets didn't speak in harmony with what God gave in the Law, he was, he was out of harmony, cause you can't give a Law expecting something, that, that the prophets, the same God in here will have to confirm it. What He's given 'em is those natural, physical, carnal ordinances. Both of 'em, one has to come together in order to confirm the other one. You get it now? And that's why you read in Isaiah 56:9-10. Read it! Now, I'll get so I'll hurry on here pretty soon, but I'll have to get it straight first.
Reader: All ye beasts of the field,
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10 Deuteronomy 18:15
11 Isaiah 7:14
12 Isaiah 8:20
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Dr Kinley: All ye beasts... Now, you see the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts. I said beasts of the field which the Lord God had created. Now, that's heavenly creatures, Lucifer and his angels were more subtle than any of the beasts of the field which the Lord God had created. That's why I said that you're no match for him. And over there Isaiah prophesied, said the same things that you just read that he was more subtle. Isaiah said that. Now, Isaiah and he had to say that in order to confirm that which, what Moses wrote about. He said, when Lucifer was formed or he was made, God did what? Give him that ____, He made him do it. Put it inside and sewn within. God made him that way. That's why he was more subtle than any of the beasts of the field. God made him that way. All right. Read on.
Reader: All ye beasts of the field,
Dr Kinley: All ye beasts of the field... Hurry up, let me get this over folks, let me get this one point. All right, read on.
Reader: come to devour,
Dr Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: yea, all ye beasts in the forest. His watchmen are blind:
Dr Kinley: Now, his watchmen are blind! What blindfolded 'em? Read on.
Reader: they are ignorant,
Dr Kinley: Now, they're ignorant.
Reader: they are all dumb dogs,
Dr. Kinley: they are all dumb dogs,
Reader: they can not bark;
Dr. Kinley: They can't preach
Reader: sleeping,
Dr. Kinley: They're sleeping
Reader: lying down,
Dr. Kinley: lying down,
Reader: loving to slumber.
Dr. Kinley: loving to slumber.
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Reader: Yea, they are greedy dogs
Dr. Kinley: Yea, they are greedy dogs.
Reader: which can never have enough,
Dr. Kinley: which can never have enough. Now, what makes him so dumb, what makes him so wise, as Jesus said when He was ____,'If the blind lead the blind, they all fall in the ditch together.' Now, the man has come along, talking about prophesying, was supposed to be watching for Israel... Now here's his blindness, he didn't know what them carnal ordinances reflected. That's why he couldn't speak in conjunction and confirmation to it. You get my point now? Couldn't do it to save a soul. Because it was God that gave the Law, it was God in the prophet. And it is God calling the prophet to prophesy what is reflected in the Law. Therefore you have to go to the Law and you have to go to the prophets.
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When Jeremiah said that the Lord said, about the New Covenant: After those days, I'll make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. Now, Freddy, I want, I want you to get this understood. As John said,'my little children, this is the last time.' Now, get this understood. Jeremiah 31:31, God's talking, talking through that prophet. After those days, saith the Lord. Now, let's suppose it says 'after what days.' It don't say that. All right. Now, if you'll read it over in Hebrews, Paul tells you what days what it does talk of. What, what days Paul is talking about. Said that the first covenant which stood only in meats and drinks, (now listen at me) it stood only in meats and drinks and diverse washings and carnal ordinances (Listen to these words) imposed on them until the time of reformation. Now especially things performed by the Old Covenant. The reformation begun here at Pentecost. Now listen. Are you listening now? That's why Jesus said,'Don't think that I come to destroy the Law or the prophets, but I come to fulfill the Law and the prophets. And verily, verily, I say unto you, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass until it is all fulfilled.' Now, when it's all fulfilled, listen, let me repeat. Verily, verily, Matthew 5:17, think not that I come to destroy the Law or the prophets. Don't think that. But I come to fulfill. And verily, verily, I say unto you, one jot and one tittle of it shall in no wise pass, until it is all fulfilled. Now, if, if you want to know, if you want to know what's in the Law, what's in the prophets, you're certainly gonna have to go back there to that there, to find out; in other words, you're gonna have to go to the Law and the prophets to find out. You have to go there to find out what's being fulfilled, what's being moved.
And in the l0th chapter of Hebrews, Paul is saying this... Now remember Hebrews is to the Jews. Said,'Now, sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared for me.' Now, listen at me. This is actually giving the verse. 'Then said I,' you'll find that in the prophecy,'then said I, lo I come in the volume of the book;' or in other words, according to the Law and the prophecy, 'as it is written of Me,' already written. That was long before Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John was written. 'Then said I, lo I come in the volume of the book, as Moses and the prophets have written of me, and I'm gonna fulfill every jot and every tittle,
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of what they have written of me.'
Now you don't have no way to find out nothing about it unless you go back to the Law and to the prophets. Now you can't begin at Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. It ain't all written in there. 'Lo, I come...' I'll quote my words back over again, because I wouldn't, I didn't have, I didn't have it called to... Read it. Lo, I come in the volume of the book, as it is written of me, to do Thy will, oh God. Listen, He's taken away... I said He taketh away the first, that He might establish the second. Well now, you have to go back there and see what was under the Law, in order to see what's moved out of the way or taken away. And He cannot establish the New Covenant until the Old is completely abolished, all of it, not some of it. Now this is, this is a hard lesson tonight to hear, it's tough. And, and we been trying to preach it all along.
Suppose I say to you, 'What are you doing washing feet?' Well, 'Yeah, I'm following in the footsteps of Jesus.' Well if you don't know what, that He was doing. Don't you know foot washing was a carnal ordinance under the dispensation of the Law, and He fulfilled that. Every jot and every tittle of it was taken away. Now if you do that, then you're not aware what was back there in the law where He told you to go. If you're gonna baptize, you're not aware of that. Get it? If you're gonna eat passovers, Lord Suppers, it's just the same, you're not aware of it. Why don't you go back there and find out what it's about? It's a carnal ordinance.
Well now, can't you see our ignorance and can't you see our blasphemy? Can't you see our denial? Can't you see that you're denying Christ. Can't you see that?
Anytime a man comes up here with any carnal ordinance at all, I don't care which one it is, it does not make any difference, He is denying that the Law is fulfilled that it was under the Law. And that's what He is doing, fulfilling the Law. And one jot and one tittle of it will not pass until it's all fulfilled, every bit of it. And it stood only in diverse washings and carnal ordinances, and it was given to Israel, and Jesus had come in and saying that one, saying that one jot or one tittle of it shall in no wise pass until it is all fulfilled. And then He said sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared for me. Then said I, lo, I come in the volume of the book, as it is written in the Law and the prophets it's written, to do thy will, oh God,13 or in other words to fulfill what's written in the Law and in the prophets. And then He taketh away the first, takes away all, not some but all of the old carnal ordinances that Israel practiced under the Law. Every last one of 'em: water baptism, foot washing, all of 'em.
Now the man, you heard him say right up here last Sunday, he said that, talking about Matthew and them, and then he said, 'Now, that's in the, that's, that's the New Testament teaching.' No sir, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is not New Testament teaching. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is a biography of Him, of the Messiah or God manifested in a physical body taking away the natural, and I'll make an end of the Old Covenant and establishing the New Testament in your
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heart and in your mind. And now, if you're gonna try to stay with that one, then what you're doing, you are denying that God removed 'em. You're denying.
You said that Matthew 28:19, you said that Jesus said, go and baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son; and you said, in the water. Now, it can't be both. Now, here's the reason why it cannot be both, because water baptism, I don't care what you say, but I'm gonna, I don't care what you say. If water did wash... Water is literal. It's natural. It's physical. It's carnal. Now, Christ couldn't say that He had fulfilled, one and all, every jot and tittle. He couldn't say that He had fulfilled, and that He come to do the will of the Father to take away the first and establish the, the new one, not like the old one I gave, in the day that I took 'em by the hand to lead 'em out of the... One is carnal, one is spiritual. One is natural and the other is spiritual.
The Law was a schoolmaster to bring us up to Christ. Christ is a quickening Spirit. 15th chapter of 1st, Paul said, it was written that the first man Adam was of the earth, earthly, but the second man Adam was the Lord from heaven, He was made a quickening spirit.
Now, brethren, my contention to you all along, ever since I have been preaching is, I tell you water baptism is no longer good. I'll tell you that foot washing, as foot
washing literally so, is no good. Lord Suppers or Passovers no good. What they call Lord's Suppers, no. Offering up bullocks, and turtledoves, and heifers, or anything that was done literally so, or naturally so, was no good. It, it's no good.
Now then, you say to me then, 'Well, you're all out of harmony with all the rest of the churches.' Well now look, do you want me to be ignorant too, in order to stay in harmony with all them churches?
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Do you want me to be ignorant and blaspheme against God, because that's what the world is doing out there.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Is that what you want me to do?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: To merit your good favor and your good graces, and to have you speak well of me. Is that what you want me to do?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: I can't do that. You see, Farley? Now, then, here's another argument they come up with. Says,'Now, you know that Philip baptized that Ethiopian eunuch down there in the water.' Commanded the chariot to stand still and to go down there and baptize him, the Ethiopian eunuch, in water, physical, literal, and
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natural, carnal water. Yes, he did. Now I have never at no time tried to dispute it, and I dare you to try to dispute it, too.
And I don't say that Peter did not attempt that, in the Acts of the Apostles, did not command the Gentiles in Cornelius's household to be baptized. I did not dispute that. He did say that. What's in the book, I don't want to dispute it. I'm not trying to dispute that.
But I am telling you... Now, I don't have to read that down there to know whether it's any good or not. I don't have to read the story, it's clear to me. And it don't make no difference to me whether he did or didn't baptize. It just ain't no good. It don't make no difference if Peter did command him to be baptized in physical water, it's no good. Anything natural is no good. Now, I don't have to worry myself to death setting up all night, scrambling around in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and the Pauline epistles, and so forth and so on, to try to find out about it. I don't have to do that. Try to remember chapters and verses, and what they said and wrote. I don't have to be bothered with that, and confused with and messing with long ____ ____ ____. Get the point?
Now, let me show you something. Now, everybody that was... Now, you heard, you heard Dr. Yates read, everybody that was back under the Law... Suppose you read that, Leviticus 24:15 in the Bible.
Reader: And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel,
Dr. Kinley: Now, this is God talking, and thou shall speak unto the children of Israel,
Reader: saying,
Dr. Kinley: Moses... All right, what?
Reader: saying,
Dr. Kinley: saying,
Reader: Whosoever curseth his God
Dr. Kinley: Whosoever curseth his God
Reader: shall bear his sin.
Dr. Kinley: shall bear his sin. If he curses God, he must bear his sin. All right.
Reader: and he that blasphemeth
Dr. Kinley: and he that blasphemes
Reader: the name of the LORD,
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Dr. Kinley: that blasphemes the name of the LORD,
Reader: he shall surely be put to death.
Dr. Kinley: Now, he shall surely be put to death. Read.
Reader: And all the congregation shall certainly stone him
Dr. Kinley: And all the congregation shall stone him
Reader: and well as the stranger,
Dr. Kinley: and well as the stranger,
Reader: as he that is born in the land
Dr. Kinley: All right, read on.
Reader: when he blasphemes the name of the LORD, shall he be put to death.
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: And he that killeth any man shall, shall surely be put to death.
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: And he that killeth a beast shall make it good;
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: beast for beast.
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbor; as he hath done,
Dr. Kinley: That's a foul. Read.
Reader: so shall it be done to him.
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: Breach for breach,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: eye for eye,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
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Reader: tooth for tooth:
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: as he hath caused a blemish in a man,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: so shall it be done to him again.
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it:
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: and he that killeth a man, shall be put to death.
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: Ye shall...
Dr. Kinley: Now, you see where my scriptures at, cause God said that thing. All right, read.
Reader: Ye shall have one manner of law,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country:
Dr. Kinley: Now, you see that? Read on.
Reader: for I am the LORD your God.
Dr. Kinley: I am the LORD your God. Read! I haven't...
Reader: And Moses spake to the children of Israel,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: and stone him with stones.
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
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Reader: And the children of Israel...
Dr. Kinley: Now, Numbers 24, where Dr.Yates was out of.
Reader: 15:22.
Dr. Kinley: 15... Numbers... Where are you reading?
Reader: 15:22
Dr. Kinley: Now, he's recording. That's the reason I was specifying that he had a question. Read.
Reader: And if ye have erred,
Dr. Kinley: Now, if you have erred,
Reader: and not observed all these commands,
Dr. Kinley: and not observed all these commands,
Reader: which the LORD hath spoken unto Moses,
Dr. Kinley: which the LORD hath spoken unto Moses,
Reader: Even all that the LORD hath commanded you
Dr. Kinley: Even all that the LORD hath commanded you
Reader: by the hand of Moses,
Dr. Kinley: by the hand of Moses,
Reader: for the day that the LORD commanded Moses,
Dr. Kinley: Yes, read, now.
Reader: and henceforward among your generations;
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance
Dr. Kinley: Now when, now, if any, if ought be committed by ignorance. Didn't know any better. You know kids playing around here getting into things. They didn't know no better. God gave him teachers and instructors. Now if one did come up and he did it ignorantly. If he was; in other words, if he was blaspheming and did it ignorantly, he had a, he has a chance, because he was doing it ignorantly. You see the point?
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Now, this, the ministry out here, that's doing these things, is doing it ignorantly, and he is blaspheming, because he denies that Christ fulfilled all the natural and took it away so that the promise that God had made to Abraham could come of effect. And in that promise, God said, (now listen at me.) He promised to bless you by faith in Jesus Christ. Faith in what? Now if you, listen at me now. Now then, if you take Christ, Paul says in the 2nd chapter of Colossians, says, we are circumcised by Christ's circumcision, we are buried with Him, buried with Him, and resurrected with Him (are you listening?) through the operation of the Spirit. Now look, let, let me go back over that, ____ ____ ____ all of that, believe in the purpose. You're circumcised with the circumcision made without hands. Now, if you're circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, and you're buried, that's without hands, and if you're resurrected with Him, that is without hands.
Without hands. Now how do you get like that? When the gospel is preached that Messiah was born in Bethlehem of Judea, that He went through, fulfilling what was written in the Law and in the prophets. And when He bowed His head in the locks of His shoulders out there and gave up the ghost, died, and was planted in Joseph's new tomb, and raised from the dead the third day, as Paul said in the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians, according to the scriptures. Now, if you believe that, then you have got everything! You've got circumcised, you've got Him crucified, you've got Him buried, you've got raised, you got resurrected. And you've got the whole story! Now that's the way it read. Ain't that the way it reads right there in Colossians?
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: If you don't think... Now, the serp, serpent was more subtle... Let me get to this real quick before you go to sleep, some of you nodding around.
Reader: ...and a persecutor,14
Dr. Kinley: and a persecutor,
Reader: and injurious:
Dr. Kinley: and an injurious person: Read.
Reader: but I obtained mercy,
Dr. Kinley: Now, he said, I obtained mercy...
Reader: because I did it ignorantly
Dr. Kinley: because I did it ignorantly
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Reader: in unbelief.
Dr. Kinley: in unbelief. Now, I want you to see it clear. Now, here's what I want you to see clearly, that all the, in the 8th chapter, and also in the 7th, Stephen was preaching. Yes, you better wake up, cause it you assume, he's some where else not even thinking about it. Now, either be, either wake up, or go ahead on deceived, I'm doing my job!
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Whether you pay attention to it or not, I told you ____ ____. And I'm doing everything I know how to do picking out words! I'm trying to lead you step a time. Help you, so that you can comprehend and see what the trouble is, so you can rescue yourself or as Peter said save yourself from the untoward generation.
Now, in the eighth chapter of Acts of Apostles, this man Saul of Tarsus, whose name was changed to Paul. Read it!
Dr. Harris: And Saul was consenting unto his death.
Dr. Kinley: Now, this is Stephen, and Paul was consenting unto his death. Read!
Dr. Harris: And at that time there was a great persecution
Dr. Kinley: And at that time there was a great persecution. Didn't you see that he just got done telling Timothy ____ ____ He was a persecutor? All right, read.
Dr. Harris: against the church which was at Jerusalem;
Dr. Kinley: against the church which was at Jerusalem;
Dr. Harris: and they were all scattered abroad
Dr. Kinley: and they were all scattered abroad
Dr. Harris: throughout the regions of Judea
Dr. Kinley: throughout the regions
Dr. Harris: of Judea
Dr. Kinley: of Judea
Dr. Harris: and Samaria,
Dr. Kinley: and Samaria,
Dr. Harris: except the apostles.
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Dr. Kinley: except the apostles. Now, the apostles never went nowhere. They stayed right there. Why don't you see this? Now, Jesus told 'em, the disciples, after He's resurrected from the dead and left His ____ ____ ____ ____. He told them eleven just before He ascended. He said, now you go back, and then you stay there, until you receive power from on high, and then you shall be witnesses unto Me in Judea, in Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the earth.15 And that is where they stayed, persecution or no persecution, they stayed there, them deacons, the seven, them deacons. And Paul come along there. And then they were scattered abroad. Philip went on to Samaria. Stephen. He's scattered and is setting out, out yonder, and he was stoned to death. But now, what I'm saying, what I want you to see, Jesus Christ told, not Philip who baptized the Ethiopian eunuch, not Stephen who was put to death.
And this Apostle Paul that we're talking about, he was Saul then, and he was a persecutor, he was an instigator of the persecution himself, and caused Philip and the deacons to be scattered, scattered out everything but... And he was a persecutor, and he was a blasphemer but he was doing it through ignorance! Yes, in ignorance...
But the apostles, they never went nowhere. Philip went down to Samaria, preached down there, left Samaria, met the Ethiopian eunuch and baptized him, and nobody in Samaria got the Holy Ghost until Peter and John went down. And the man who baptized, the Ethiopian eunuch, ____ ____ ____ ____. So, don't you come up here and tell me about Philip going baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch. Don't you tell me about Stephen, he wasn't sent; he left there on account of of persecution. He's running!
And after Christ had risen from the dead, He hadn't told Stephen, He hadn't told none of 'em, some of them just scattered abroad, that John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. He hadn't told them nothing like that. Told Peter and them that, I mean after He's resurrected from the grave. He told them that they should be witnesses unto Him in Judea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the earth. Told them to go into all the world and preach the gospel.
And Peter and the eleven, they refused to stop preaching up there on the day of Pentecost.16 And they stopped doing their daily ministration, while they were preaching in Jerusalem, they ceased, they were stopped preaching the gospel in order to serve no tables; and therefore, they chose the jews, seven of them. And the reason why there was just seven is because there are seven days in a week. So they would have one for each day to serve tables. But they ain't gonna quit preaching in order to serve tables; in other words, the people that was up there, they're being served physical food, cause they done sold their possessions and laid them at the feet of the apostles. And Paul says... Peter says, I'm not gonna stop preaching in order to go around because of the widows and orphans were
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neglected in the daily ministration. Look, but you look out ____ for them among them, but we ain't got no time to be fooling with no carnal ordinances. ____ ____ ____. Get the point? Do you see that now?
That don't say that Stephen and them didn't have the Holy Ghost. But this is what, this is what Jesus had told them. When the, when them, I mean them eleven, when you get the Holy Ghost, I read it to you, said, 'judge.' You would receive of Him, and He'll show it to you. That's why Phil baptized the Ethiopian, cause the Holy Ghost didn't tell him no different. Then he go and put him in the water. And I wouldn't be surprised if he hadn't put some more folks in water, that you don't read about in the Bible.
But now, when Pete... I want you to see this clear. When Pete went to the Gentiles, seven years after, preached at Cornelius's household. Peter commanded them to be baptized in the water! 10th chapter of Acts of Apostles. Now here's what you wanna see. This is what you wanna see. We don't wanna deny that Peter didn't say for 'em to be baptized in water, the Gentiles. Now, that's out of harmony with what's in the scriptures back there, cause the Gentiles, they get it by faith, and they didn't have none of them carnal ordinances, and neither did the Jews after Christ was out there and nailed to the cross. Now, now here's what you wanna see.
Now in Matthew 28:19, Jesus told them, after He'd risen from the dead, go in all the world and preach the gospel (get this folks, get this straight, folks) to every creature. Now, a Gentile is almost a creature. Is that right?
Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: You say he is.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's what Jesus told them to do, after He had risen from the dead, 'Go and preach to every creature,' that means Jew and Gentile. Now, here he is, come up here arguing and chewing the rag about Pete telling 'em to or telling them to be baptized. I said it was Pete's stupidity. It was Pete's ignorance. And listen, let me tell you this. It was intended, too. It wasn't no accident that he makes that blunder. And it was a blunder. And he and all the rest of 'em said so. They admitted it was a blunder. Why can't you read some other verses once in a while? Now, look here. In the 11th chapter, take the first verse. Now look, folks, Christ told them eleven to go in all the world to preach the gospel to every creature. Didn't He tell them that? Did you ever read Matthew 28:19? Does that say that in your Bible?
Now the rest of 'em is up at Jerusalem, and Pete's down there at Caesarea. Peter went from Joppa to Caesarea. Yes, I do, I know, I know everything I'm talk about. And I know it profoundly, too. And when Peter after commanding them to be baptized, you don't read that the Holy Ghost told him better than that, until after you've read this here, this here in the 11th chapter, the first verse, on down and
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down through there. No sooner than Peter said for them to be baptized, the Holy Ghost, as said, that He'd bring all things to his remembrance just whatsoever He had said to them. And the Holy Ghost brought to his remembrance that John truly baptized, I told you John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. That's why it's not God's mistake, it's Pete's mistake. The Gent.., the Jew was baptized in water not the Holy Ghost. They were baptized before Christ died, in order that they might be baptized into His death! Now you can't baptize nobody unto His death, because we're preaching Christ is risen from the dead! That's why the Jew was baptized before He died.
Then somebody said, 'Well, look here, go get the 6th chapter of Romans! Know ye not, that so many of us that were baptized...' Why don't you look at what you're reading? As many of 'em that were baptized, were baptized into His death. Says, 'Well, ain't I reading in the New Testament?' No! And who's he talking about them that was baptized? He's talking about the Jews that were baptized at the baptism of repentance, before Christ died were baptized into His death, that they might be in the likeness of His resurrection.
Listen, you ain't got a verse in the almanac, and it is just how ignorant and blasphemous, that's what it is, because you're denying. If you deny that Christ fulfilled all the natural and moved it out of the way, and you just done drag it back up in here, denying on the LORD God that brought you out in what you're practicing.
Then you wanna blame it on Him, saying, 'He said, go and baptize 'em in the water.' He didn't say no such a thing. Can't say that, and that's not written in the book. He said baptize them in the name, He didn't say baptize them in the water. What do you mean? Luke explains it. Said you start right at Jerusalem, and preach that He's the savior of the world, and, that He was God manifested in a body, that He did come in the name of the Father, that was Him, and they, which they can't explain out there and there's no salvation in none other. There wasn't then and there isn't now. Ain't no salvation in nothing or nobody, but Jesus Christ, ____ the Holy Ghost, ____ died up here on the cross.
In Matthew... Now I, here's the thing I want to show you now., Want you to look right up here at me and watch. Now Paul, when he was blaspheming, when he was ignorant, and how he obtained mercy for persecuting the church, because they wouldn't dib dabble in them carnal ordinances. They were saying that them apostles was wrong, because they wouldn't keep the Law of Moses. They dib dabbled, they'd become.., Paul, let me put it this way. Early in the morning on the sixth day of June, that was the Feast of Pentecost. The apostles wouldn't observe it. From that third age and that day came cause they received the Holy Ghost. And the Feast of Pentecost was the Feast of the First Fruits. And they were the first fruits themselves, and they're not gonna eat anything out there, the first fruits, that day, and call theirselves keeping the Pentecost. They wouldn't do it! The jews, they brought accusations against them, because they wouldn't keep them carnal ordinances. That's why Paul was out there jailing them and putting them to death, because they wouldn't keep it. And he was doing it through ignorance and blasphemy, because they wouldn't do it! And he said he was a blasphemer,
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said he was before a persecutor, and a blasphemer. Now, do you see that now? Well now, that's driving you almost way back to this, eleventh chapter, and the first verse. I wanna show that first.
Dr. Harris: And the apostles and brethren,
Dr. Kinley: And the apostles. Now listen, don't lose the thought. I told you that the apostles, they stayed right at Jerusalem. They would not leave. They wouldn't let them scatter. Did you read that, Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, Peter, ____ ____ ____ down in Joppa. Then he went from there, from Joppa to Caesarea, and from Caesarea, ____ ____ ____ ____ ____, went on back up to Jerusalem. And after he commanded Cornelius to be baptized. And don't you forget, don't overlook this, that Jesus told them to go and preach the gospel to every creature, that's the Jew and the Gentile. Ain't that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You say that's almost right? To baptize them in the name. Is that what he told them?
Student Body: Yes!
Dr. Kinley: You're sure?
Student Body: Yes!
Dr. Kinley: All right, now, yes Peter is down here at Cornelius's house. While he yet spake, standing there preaching, the Holy Ghost fell on the Gentiles, before they got in any water. And then Peter commanded them to be baptized in the water. Whereas the Jew was baptized before, at John's baptism, before he got the Holy Ghost, three years and one half year later came the day of Pentecost. And Pete says, that the Spirit was poured out on the Gentiles, as it was on us at Pentecost at the first. Isn't that what the Bible says? And Peter commanded them to be baptized. Now here's what he's doing. He was taking them back to the roots. I don't mean the roots of the Gentiles, either. I don't mean that, either. I mean that he was taking them back to the roots of the Jews, the baptism of repentance. In that Law, before, before the Law was, God had made this promise to Abraham that in his seed, He would bless all the families, and it's by faith in Jesus that you are blessed and not baptized. because all hands worshipping, and carrying on with them carnal ordinances, that's all over with. All this, all this.., for with the heart the man believes unto righteousness, with the heart confession made unto salvation. What saith it? The WORD is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.17
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Now, here he's standing here clowning around trying to put on a show there. This is no three-ring circus. Clowning around here. And look. That's just exactly how the devil fooled sister Eve, eating that fruit there, that tree. Now, here he is, back here, again. Got you dib dabbling around in them natural things, which had been nailed to the cross, and fooling you, deceiving you.
Now, what you got, He commanded to be baptized, and Jesus did say go in all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, jew and gentile. Now here's Pete with the gentile. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. And here's where Peter is gonna put them down in the water. Now remember He said that to all eleven of them. Judas, the reason why I said that, Judas was dead. And Paul hadn't been called into the ministry yet. And he wasn't counted in them up there. Now, look. Look, children. Look, you heard me say that you, and you agreed. Matthew 28, Jesus said that, He did say to them, 'Go and preach to every creature.' And I told you that Pete forgot. Hogan was just here arguing with me. He said he didn't forget. Now, not only Pete forgot, the others did too. Now you do, you do agree that He told the eleven of 'em to go. Do you, do you agree to that, or do you want me to read it?
All right, now Peter went down to Cornelius's house, and then he commanded 'em to be baptized, and right there is where the Holy Ghost brought it to his remembrance, that Jesus, what Jesus said to 'em after He had risen from the dead, before He ascended. John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized. And Jesus told him also go preach to every creature. He told him that? Isn't that right? I'm asking you!
Student Body: Yes! Yes!
Dr. Kinley: Now, here's Pete preaching own there, and when they get, they get the Holy Ghost before they got in the water, Pete's buffaloed, and he commanded them to be baptized, I told you, I'm not trying to deny that in the water, too. And then, when Pete did that, then the Holy Ghost revealed it to him, cause He had told him that he would reveal it. Right were in the 11th chapter it says, then remembered I the words of the Lord, how that He said that John truly baptized with water. Now that's where the thing was called to his remembrance.
Now look, here goes Pete, strutting on back up, strutting on back up yonder, him and the boys with him, go on back up in Judea, where the rest of them are. Read, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: And the apostles and the brethren
Dr. Kinley: And the apostles and brethren
Dr. Harris: that were in Judea
Dr. Kinley: Now, Pete's in Caesarea. Now, he's gone on back up to Judea now, him and the boys. All right, here's what happened?
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Dr. Harris: heard that the Gentiles
Dr. Kinley: heard that the Gentiles
Dr. Harris: had also received the word of God.
Dr. Kinley: that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. Read.
Dr. Harris: And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem,
Dr. Kinley: And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem,
Dr. Harris: they that were of the circumcision
Dr. Kinley: they that were of the circumcision
Dr. Harris: contended with him.
Dr. Kinley: In other words, they that were of the circumcision contended with him. What about?
Dr. Harris: Saying, thou wentest in to men uncircumcised,
Dr. Kinley: You went into men uncircumcised or you went to the Gentiles. God told him to go. God sent him to go to the gentiles over there. Now here he is back up there with them, and now they're blaming him not only for baptizing if you want, you want to talk about, they're just blaming him for going down there in the first place.
TAPE 2 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: Rehearse, hasten here! When you rehearse a thing, you go back to the start of it. Peter rehearsed it. Rehearsed the whole thing! And in rehearsing, he went back, back to Joppa and explained it on down, and he'll get at going down to Cornelius's household. And he explained what happened down there. He explained what happened and he rehearsed the whole matter and how he, how had tell 'em to be baptized in water and all. He rehearsed the whole thing. And then he said the Holy Ghost brought it to his remembrance.
Now, what the devil is doing, he's trying to push this thing off on you by getting you in the water. And I told you it was nailed to the cross out there. Now, when he does that, he's doing it through ignorance, and in that, he is blaspheming. He's bringing a type that's dead and buried. He hasn't resurrected from the dead. We're not preaching that kind of a thing. You see it? See how you blaspheme through ignorance? Do you see it now?
Washing feet, ignorance; it was in the Law. Moses washing with Aaron, Nadab and... And not only him, all of the rest of the priests there, all of them ____ ____ ____, in the Law. Now, dead popes, John and all this washing feet, I tell you it's
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ignorance. And let me tell you this, I'm not coming up with! that decision on my own. I say that he is, that he is the Devil himself incarnated in a physical, same old Devil that told Eve to eat that natural back that is participating and indulging, and telling you to eat this natural. And it's through your ignorance, through his ignorance, the deception. And look the church is the bride, the wife. And now what happened to Eve, Adam's wife back there. The Devil deceived 'em. Then you have to admit that the Satanic part or the Devil was in him telling you to eat that thing, that natural thing with those carnal ordinances. And it's through ignorance, and it is blasphemy! Now, do you get what I'm talking about?
Student Body: Yes!
Dr. Kinley: Every bit of it is blasphemy, blasphemy through ignorance. And this is in the dispensation of grace and faith, and now no participation in no carnal... God never said anything about any natural, carnal ordinances in this dispensation. And nobody can prove it.
Now, here's what I wanna show you some more. Now, I want you to look at Revelations 2:9 and 10. And hurry up now,'cause my time is up.
Reader: I know thy works
Dr. Kinley: Says, I know thy works
Reader: and tribulations,
Dr. Kinley: and your tribulations,
Reader: but thou art rich
Dr. Kinley: but thou art rich
Reader: and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews,
Dr. Kinley: I know the blasphemy of them who say they are Jews.
Reader: and are not...
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Did you see, I told you that Paul was a Jew from a tiny baby, and that he said himself that he persecuted, and he was an injurious person, and he was a blasphemer because he persecuted the church of God. Is that right? Is that what he said?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: And this is the man, this is the man himself that wrote that at all of the carnal ordinances... This is the man himself. Listen folks. Listen, don't let this slip, these words are important. When Paul was smitten blind with them carnal ordinances that had been blinding people, that formed scales over his eyes. But,
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when he was smitten blind out there from that great illuminous psychological light, (I want you to listen at this.) said to the Jews and the gentiles, for I am determined not to know any thing at all among you, except Christ and Him crucified,18 unto the Jews a stumbling block, but unto the Greeks foolishness.19
Now, let me explain what he's talking about. When he blind, he seen Christ. He saw Him in a vision. He said, last of all He saw him, as one born out of due season.20 Now, listen up. Now, that's all he could see was Christ. Meaning this, the way He was putting them to death for not keeping the Law, circumcising under the Law. He seen that Christ fulfilled all of that, and that Christ was all of that, it all pointed to Him; therefore, he couldn't see nothing else. Foot washing, he couldn't see nothing else, but that washing of regeneration by God Himself in that body. He couldn't see nothing else, he seen Him baptized into Jesus Christ death. He couldn't see nothing, just couldn't see nothing else! And he was determined that nothing that was back here, that was in this Bible, all of it pointed to Christ or to the Spirit. And he was determined for the circumcision; and he was determined that water baptism; he was determined that the suppers and all; he was determined that Christ was the end of the Law. And he couldn't see nothing else! He couldn't see no special practice, no rules, no regulations, or no foot washings. He was determined to see nothing else but Christ as a quickening spirit. And he just blundered. Yes, he's blundered. And there's many that did blunder, while he's ____ them, and putting 'em to death because they wouldn't keep them carnal ordinances out there.
And if you go back into history, you'll find out that the Roman Catholic Church and the old Judaism jews back there, they're the only ones that ever did in the history of the world, put anybody to death because they didn't keep the Law, just like Paul put them to death until he was illuminated with the Holy Ghost. And that is what they're doing out there. And that is what Protestantism is doing. And they're doing it through ignorance and it's blasphemy. Now, do you understand? Almost got this thing where you should be trying to catch on. Now they're denying. I want you to read Jude now. Now, let's be quick, cause it's 10 o'clock now. Read. Jude. And I want you to go to Peter, too. And I wanna show that this same man, Pete, God had to bring him up to date and reveal it to him.
In the 2nd chapter, Peter said chiefly, chiefly, them that walk after the flesh in everybody you see, there, dib dabbling in carnal ordinances. And Peter said they're walking after the flesh. Peter said they're walking after the flesh, because of them Satanic spirits that's incarnated in them physical bodies, got you indulging in that, participating in that, because they don't know the Law and they don't know the prophets! They don't what's done away with, and they're bringing it on over here in this dispensation. And that's through their ignorance, and through your ignorance, the blind lead the blind, and all fall in the ditch together. All right there,
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19 I Corinthians 1:23
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Dr. Harris, read.
Dr. Harris: Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ,
Dr. Kinley: Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ,
Dr. Harris: and brother of James,
Dr. Kinley: That is Jude, the brother of the apostle James. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: to them that are sanctified by God
Dr. Kinley: Now, to them that are sanctified, that's for the Jews. Well all right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: and preserved in Jesus Christ,
Dr. Kinley: and preserved, and preserved, kept in Him, in Jesus Christ!! Won't be no falling down, going back to confessions, and all that kind of jive and junk. No, he's preserved, and he's free and allowed to preach, and he's sealed with the Holy Ghost until the day of redemption.21 But Satan is bound in everlasting chains of darkness, can't be loosed unless God loosed him. Preserved in Jesus Christ. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: Mercy unto you,
Dr. Kinley: Mercy unto you,
Dr. Harris: and love, be multiplied.
Dr. Kinley: and more love be multiplied. I want you to see what he's writing about now. Read.
Dr. Harris: Beloved, when I gave all diligence
Dr. Kinley: Beloved, when I gave all diligence. I was all worked up about it! I was serious about it. I gave all the diligence. All right.
Dr. Harris: to write unto you of the common salvation,
Dr. Kinley: to write unto you of the common salvation. The grace of God, that bringeth salvation, has appeared unto all men, teaching them to deny ungodliness and worldly lust, that they should live righteously and holy in His presence. The grace of God that bringeth salvation has appeared unto all men, to the Jew and to the Gentiles or all men, teaching them that they should live godly, and soberly in this present world. All right, read.
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Dr. Harris: It was needful for me to write
Dr. Kinley: Now it's necessary for me to write. Now, look, now when he, he, come up on that idea. It was needful for me to write. Now, I wanna tell you why it's needful for him to write. Don't you remember? You're... I told you in the 15th chapter of the Acts of Apostles. Do you remember that? When all of the apostles and the elders, all of them Pete included, every last one of 'em were on that, and the elders and that would include the elders when you speak about the elders then Stephen, not Stephen but Philip or the, and all the rest of 'em that had received the Holy Ghost back up there first. They were all the elders, the older brethren. They were called together into a conference up at Jerusalem.22 Well, what for? Was because there, some ____ both having ____ to keep the.., teaching them to keep the.., to be circumcised and keep the law. If you don't believe it, I will read it.
And so now, the apostles and the elders come together up there at Jerusalem to consider that matter. For when Paul had been out there putting 'em to death, because they wouldn't keep the Law, and they wouldn't be circumcised, before he got the Holy Ghost. And now, they were quoting Moses of old time saying every day, every body anywhere, somebody standing out there talking about they had to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses. And for that very thing, then they called together the council that's up there, and had all the apostles and the elders up there to consider this matter: whether it was necessary for the Gentiles to be circumcised and to keep the Law of Moses. And say, why don't you read
sometime? Peter and them while they was up there preaching and teaching about and holding a great conference about. They said it wasn't necessary for them to be circumcised, and it wasn't necessary for 'em to be circumcised, it wasn't necessary for 'em to be baptized, it's not necessary for them to eat no Lord's Supper, it's not necessary for them to put, keep anything that was under the dispensation of the Law, this circumcision worship.
They said, 'Now, the things that are necessary, I'll tell you about that: abstain from fornication, and abstain from things strangled, and abstain from drinking blood. Not as that lying bastard stands up here claiming to change a host and into, or transubs.., make it into actual blood and body of Christ, and does this: and telling you to drink, that, this is His blood. If it was blood, says here abstaining, don't drink no blood. Folks, he's just fooling you with those carnal... Now here they are, all of the apostles and elders together up there to consider the thing whether to be circumcised, circumcised eight days after birth. They gonna try to get you, to get circumcised. Don't try nothing, go back and give them carnal things, don't try nothing, don't try to eat no crackers, don't try, don't try to fool with none of it, none of them carnal ordinances at all, until you're gonna do it all. Don't try picking out water baptism, picking out Lord's Supper, picking out foot washing, and say he's clean. Are the one's that's drug over here in this dispen... Don't do that. See you got get circumcised, then, then if you get circumcised, Paul said to the Gentiles in the 3rd chapter of John verily, I Paul say unto you, if you be circumcised it shall profit you nothing. You don't need it now. Says you was baptized on into the spirit with the uncircumcision of your flesh. Christ has broken
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down that middle wall of partition and made us both the jew and the gentile sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. It's nothing but a lotta stupidity and ignorance out here, and the ministry's at fault. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: and exhort you that you should earnestly contend
Dr. Kinley: Now pay attention, that's what Peter is warning, Jude said it's necessary, it's necessary for me to write unto you about the common salvation and exhort ____ ____ ____, that you should, what are you doing? That you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. ____ ____ ____ The faith which was once... Now he didn't say once through the law. He said for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints, that you should earnestly contend. He's writing to the Jews and he said you should earnestly contend for the faith which once delivered unto the saints. Read on.
Dr. Harris: For there are certain men
Dr. Kinley: For there are certain men, them Satanic spirits, they'll try to tell you how you ought to eat. ____ ____ ____ works crept in unaware. Is that what you got in there? Read it, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: who were before
Dr. Kinley: who were before of old, way back, that was cast out, coming on down incarnated in these physical bodies, posing as all the prophets and priests and apostles and authorities. He said, 'Look it, they've just crept in, crept in, crept in unawares.' You wasn't noticing ____ ____. And you was just as caught with that bunch. Circumcision, you just weren't able to catch them. Water bap..., water baptism, you haven't been able to catch 'em in that foot washing. It's cause he crept in unawares. You didn't understand about it. You didn't realize that all the carnal ordinances was nailed to the cross, took it out of the way. You didn't realize that we're not walking after the flesh, but now we're after the spiritual side of it. You didn't realize that Jesus said back there when He was talking to the Jews, listen, 'God is Spirit and He seeketh such to worship Him in spirit and in truth.' And now, the time would come when it wouldn't be necessary for you to go up in a Mount Moriah. Said the true worshippers shall worship in God in spirit and in truth. Ain't that, didn't Jesus said it? It was not necessary for you to go up the Mount of Moriah, where the temple set up there on Mount Moriah. You know just as well as I do, and you don't even need no penny. And it's not necessary for you to go to Rome. It's not necessary for you to go to mass. It's not necessary for you to go to Rome. It ain't necessary for you, you to go to washing. It ain't necessary for you no where. Why? Because the true worshippers, they worship God in spirit and in truth, not the Pope and all and something else. Oh, but it's needful for me to write unto you and exhort that you should earnestly contend, earnestly, dogmatic in the spirit. Exhort he said. That you should contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the... For there's certain men crept in unawares, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, denying the only Lord God that brought them out of Egypt; that was incarnate in that physical body, when He walked around here on ear the fulfilling the law. You're denying that
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He fulfilled it and moved it out of the way, and established the New Covenant. You're denying. How are you denying? Because you're practicing the things that was done under the Old... You're practicing the things of a carnal mind and a carnal ordinance, I told you, work, work together. And you're denying that only Lord God that's brought you out or brought you out of ignorance that was incarnated in a physical body. They of old deny that only God that give them the first law back there upon Mount Sinai. You're denying that He come in a physical body and fulfilled and moved it all out of the way. You're running around here contending that you should be, that you should be baptized, that you should wash feet. And in that you're doing through ignorance, because of the natural that's been nailed to the cross. And we're worshipping God, not with hands. Not any good, made by hands, sitting around out here on some street corners, but the true worshippers is worshipping Him in spirit and in truth. And brother if you ate anything natural, ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Another foundation can no man lay than that which is already laid. Let him take heed, watch out. Don't you put nothing natural up on there, because if you do, you shall suffer loss, because the fire shall consume everyone of them laws and natural things that's put upon it. Just like the priest that put on the offering, offered up here on. A fire shall consume, you'll suffer loss. Don't you put nothing natural up there. Don't you put no water baptisms. Don't you put no foot washings. Don't you put none of it up here on this, because if you do, then you'll suffer loss.
And another foundation can no man lay, than that which is already laid. And we are built upon the foundation of apostles and prophets, and Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth into a holy tabernacle in the Lord.23 What for? For a habitation of God through the spirit. Don't you know that your body, that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, and don't you know that these being many are one spirit and one body. Don't you know that you.., get that junk out of here. And then Paul says there in the Galatians, he that ministers unto you the spirit, does he do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Does he cast the rod on the brink. That's what Paul is.., does he throw down the.., does he speak in even the natural things... No, No, said but he that ministers to you the spirit does he do it by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith. Read on.
Dr. Harris: I will therefore put you in remembrance,
Dr. Kinley: I will, therefore... I want you to remember, to the Jews, to the Jews. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: though ye once knew this,
Dr. Kinley: though ye once knew this,
Dr. Harris: how that the Lord, having saved the people...
Dr. Kinley: Right there. They once know it.
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Dr. Harris: out of the land of Egypt,
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Dr. Kinley: He destroyed them that believed not. Now you can just believe Him or not, that he did moved this... God incarnate, just believe Him. If you want to, take ____ ____ ____. Believe Him. And everything that you're doing is in the natural.
But somebody said, 'Well why did Paul baptize?' Look, the man that baptized 'em, he didn't baptize nobody but Jews. The same man said, 'It's no good.' No good to the Jew, no good to the gentile. Don't you believe he said it? If you don't believe he said it, right in the 6th chapter of Acts.., of Hebrews, writing right to the jews. He said 'Therefore, leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let's go onto perfection, not laying again the foundation for repentance.' And John's telling you there ain't no ____ for the Lord back there. He said, 'Well, you'll have to go ____ ____ to Him whose got the Holy Ghost in there. When Christ is resurrected from the dead, he baptizes in the water over here. If you gonna preach that, then that's sin. You just make him out a liar, and you're doing it through ignorance. Because you think that you live in the dispensation of grace. And grace is this: the unmerited gift of God. You didn't earn a thing. You didn't get nowhere by washing nobody's feet, and you know it yourself. Ain't nobody ever been baptized but what didn't know it, it didn't do no good. In order to get as Paul said, 'Brethren, I fault you, if you be circumcised, Christ hasn't profited you, if you get wet, Christ hasn't profited you a thing. And Paul didn't baptize nobody but the Jews. And listen, ____ ____ ____ ____ ' What He baptize for?' He said it's lawful. All things are lawful. Then he goes into what is all things are expedient. Now here's, here's what I meant. He wouldn't have stated Paul baptized Stephanas, Gaius and Crispus. Before he baptized 'em, he asked 'em, said.., about them being baptized and they said they were baptized unto John's baptism. And you know good and well Paul wouldn't have preached baptizing nobody in no water twice. You know better than that, don't you?. Here he wasn't trying to go and do what John done back there.
It's so sad that the world hasn't understood. Understand the reason Paul baptized. And that same man that baptized Gaius, Crispus, and Stephanas,24 that same man bap.., circumcised Timothy. And turned right around and said circum.., brethren, I fault, if you be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. Now what he circumcised Timothy for, is so that Timothy would have influence with the Jews. What he baptized Stephanius (Stephanas?), and Gaius, and Crispus for was because they were up at Corinth. And the Lord told Paul not to leave Corinth, because he had many people there. And here Paul says in the first chapter of Corinthians, says that, here's some of them saying, 'Well, I'm of Paul,' and another says, 'Well, I'm of Cephas,' and another says, 'Well I'm of Christ,' and Paul said, 'Is Christ divided? I thank God that I didn't baptize none of you but the household of Stephanas, Crispus, and Gaius.' Out of all them people that the Lord told him not
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to leave. And he stayed there a year and a half, and he never baptized none of them. Ain't that what it says there? He had many people there. And Paul ____ ____ ____, he baptized none. Now the reason for it is because, didn't Christ send him to baptize. Well, if Christ didn't send him to baptize in water, what do you think about Pete and them. Yet and still he sent them to baptize in water. Now, that don't make sense, does it, without an explanation.
Preach in the Name, he that believeth on me, as the scriptures hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.25 That's, that's, thus spake He of Holy Ghost and all them boys preached the name of Christ by the Holy Ghost, and that was rivers of living water, not polluted and contaminated and stagnated water out here. Christ sent all eleven of 'em to preach that, that in His name, remission of sins should be preached, beginning at Jerusalem. Children, do you see why I labored so hard? And I exposed that stuff. I magnify my office. And I see that you're surrounded with all this stuff out there, would you read just, just a little bit more for me. 13th chapter, I wanted, I just.., It wouldn't be fair to send you out here. It would not be fair without pointing out them satanic spirits incarnated in them physical bodies. It wouldn't be fair. Remember I told you this, cast 'em down to hell, bound in chains of darkness. Remember, I told you where hell was, right in here. Remember I told you you couldn't convert 'em. They're gonna... And if it wasn't so, then here's Jude saying it's necessary for me to write unto you and exhort that you earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints, for there are certain men crept in unawares, they're turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, denying the only Lord God that brought them out,. And Paul went on to show how the Lord brought 'em out of Egypt and afterward destroyed them that believed not, just like He poured out the Holy Ghost there according to his promise on the Day of Pentecost. According to His promise, if he would believe. Some of 'em haven't believed. But Paul said, 'What if some don't believe, does that make the Word of God of none effect?' All right, read on a little bit further, Dr. Harris, 13th chapter of Revelations. I'm, I'm gonna quit quick when I do quit, but I just wanna show you this.
Dr. Harris: And I stood upon the sand of the sea...
Dr. Kinley: No, I'm talking about Jude.
Dr. Harris: And the angels that kept not their first estate,26
Dr. Kinley: Yes.
Dr. Harris: but left their own habitation,
Dr. Kinley: but left their own habitation,
Dr. Harris: he hath reserved in everlasting chains
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Dr. Kinley: They ain't, they ain't gonna, you can.., you can, they ain't gonna believe, setting up here in the Roman Catholic Church, Protestant church. They're reserved. They were ordained to carry out that stuff, and to creep in unawares, and take them natural things and deceive you with 'em. You see how it started back there in the apple back there in the Garden of Eden, and bananas, and first one thing and another. You see how it started. You see what Satan told Eve back there; the Lord God knows better than that. Satan told her, 'If you eat that stuff, you'll become wise, and be as gods.' Deceived the woman, fooled the woman with it. Well, the church is the woman, and Satan here is fooling you with all of these natural things. The same thing that was down under the Law. Do you see what I'm talking about? Do you understand?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now that is blasphemy. It's denying that Christ fulfilled all of these natural thing. It's open blasphemy. And now Paul was doing that, because they wouldn't keep them, put them in jail, and do anything else. And up before King Agrippa, Felix, and Festus, he said, said, 'I count myself happy,' when he was up there, 'that I'm permitted to speak for myself touching all things that I'm accused of of the Jews. And he was happy to be setting with that ball and chain. And he begin right there with the law, preached the law and the prophets to them. And he preached He fulfilled. Festus said, 'You're mad, you're beside yourself.' And the king said, 'You almost persuaded me, you almost convinced me, you almost persuaded me to be a Christian.' Yes indeed, but Paul didn't practice none of those things.
And listen, I wanna tell you this, before I set down. I want you to take a look at the Pauline epistles and read them. And you, you, you try to find any place in any of the epistles where Paul ever taught anybody anything about doing anything natural. They are not in his epistles, you cannot read it out of them. And don't you confuse history with doctrine. Do you see what I'm talking about? Don't you do that. All right, now, let's, just a little further and we go home.
Dr. Harris: Even as Sodom and Gomorrah,
Dr. Kinley: Even as Sodom and Gomorrah,
Dr. Harris: and the cities about them
Dr. Kinley: and the cities about them
Dr. Harris: in like manner,
Dr. Kinley: Yes, read on.
Dr. Harris: giving themselves over to fornication,
Dr. Kinley: giving themselves over to fornication,
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Dr. Harris: and going after strange flesh,
Dr. Kinley: and going after strange flesh. Now, doc, now I'm fixing to take a shortcut here. And it's because I want to, I want to get Peter too. And take a shortcut. Now, I want you to see what he's talking about. You'll find down there with the Jews, that didn't have the Holy Ghost, and was doing them carnal ordinances. And what he says about them, 'Chiefly they which walk after the flesh.' Did you find it?
Dr. Freddy Allen, Jr.: You want 2nd Peter?
Dr. Kinley: I'm after Jude now first, cause he's in Jude. Then we'll get Peter, 2nd Peter. And I wanna show you that that is what they're talking about, talking about this Devil, got 'em going around here, after the flesh, walking after flesh, I mean keeping carnal ordinances. These are the ones who crept in unawares. Alright now, you got it?
Dr. Harris: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: All right, read.
Dr. Harris: But these speak evil of those things
Dr. Kinley: But these speak evil of those things
Dr. Harris: which they know not:
Dr. Kinley: which they know not. That, that you'd know, they do not know that that Passover down there pointed to Christ, He was our Passover, and that He is a quickening spirit. And they speak evil of it by saying that you take that natural thing. They speak evil of it. And they're saying that Christ told you to do that. They speak evil. They deny. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: but what they know naturally,
Dr. Kinley: But now you see that? Didn't I just get through telling you that? But what they know naturally... I told you he knows natural, I told you carnal. Look, I explained about what they know naturally. You can't deny it to save your soul. You just can't do it. You can't afford to stand up in God's face and say that that ain't what they're doing out there in these churches. Said they know naturally so. Read on.
Dr. Harris: brute beasts.
Dr. Kinley: Now, look. Look. Look at what I'm up to here. Look, I'm calling your attention back to it now. Their sole purpose, which was cast out of the heaven. And just like one that doesn't have the Holy Ghost at all, what they know naturally so... Jesus fulfilled all the natural things, but they speak evil of things which they know not.
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They don't know that the Law pointed to the spiritual things. They don't know that the natural pointed to the spiritual, and that the natural physical body was nailed to the cross. And we are, are the spiritual body of Christ. But they speak what they know naturally; just like Satan encouraged Eve to eat of that natural fruit back there, and transgress. But, what they know naturally... Never, the natural man, Paul says, the natural man receiveth not the things of God, because they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.'27 They speak of what they know naturally. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: in those things they corrupt themselves
Dr. Kinley: in those things they corrupt themselves. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Woe unto them!
Dr. Kinley: Woe unto them!!
Dr. Harris: for they are gone in the way of Cain,
Dr. Kinley: they are gone in the way of Cain... They are murderers. They are murderers. Murderers on top of it; just like Paul when he was a blasphemer, murdering Jews. That's cause he didn't have no Holy Ghost. Just murderers. Them are murderers standing up there doing that. They have gone the way of Cain, and they... Read.
Dr. Harris: and ran greedily after the error of Balaam
Dr. Kinley: and that you've ran greedily after the error of Balaam the prophet, that's up offering path of stumbling stones in the way of Israel, them stumbling stones. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: and perished in the gainsaying of Korah.
Dr. Kinley: and perished in the gain.., perished in the gainsaying of Korah. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: These are spots in your feasts of charity,
Dr. Kinley: Now, these are spots in your feasts of charity. Every last one, they're spots in your feasts of charity. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: when they feast with you,
Dr. Kinley: when they feast with you,
Dr. Harris: feeding themselves without fear:
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Dr. Kinley: feeding themselves without fear:
Dr. Harris: clouds they are without water
Dr. Kinley: clouds they are... without what?
Dr. Harris: water
Dr. Kinley: No water. No Holy Ghost. You remember that we quoted it here, and we said, to the Law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it's because there is no light or no Holy Ghost. They are clouds without water, there ain't no Holy Ghost in them. Now sometimes, they'll be crying, and carrying on, whooping and hollering: ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ah, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Said, they are wells and clouds without any water, cause if he was, let him speak according to the Law and the Prophets. You have to see that all the natural things that you indulge in, in the physical, and not be the well without water. You have to know what's under the Law. Study to know what's under the Law, know what the prophet says, so that you'll see what's past the law and nailed to the cross, the natural man. Don't be a well without any water, or the cloud without any water. Just ain't, just ain't no water. Now, you try to make some there if you want to, but just ain't none there. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: carried about of winds;
Dr. Kinley: carried about with every wind... Every time you turn around, 'How do you like going somewhere?' 'Well I'll go there in that church, I love it, I told her I was invited down, I mean the church right here.' Carried about by every wind, blowing around here to the Church of Christ. Blowing, run around yonder to the Roman Catholic Church. Blowing around yonder to some of the Protestant churches. They say, 'We ought to get together.' Blowing around. Carried around by every wind of doctrines. But say when you understand, as I have told you, the journey's over. You've reached the final destination. You park here for the duration.
Student Body: Yes! That's right.
Dr. Kinley: No more blowing around out there. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: trees whose fruit withereth,
Dr. Kinley: trees whose fruit withereth,
Dr. Harris: without fruit,
Dr. Kinley: without fruit. They have no fruit of the Spirit. Now, the trees back
there in the Garden of Eden, they symbolized the fruit of the Spirit. But they are trees without any fruit. All right.
Dr. Harris: twice dead,
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Dr. Kinley: twice dead... He was dead under the.., just disobedient all the way through, them Satanic spirits. Dead, twice dead. Dead under the Antediluvian, dead under the Postdiluvian, dead under the dispensation of the Law, dead under... twice dead! Pulled up by the roots. Now Jude, he's laying it in there on them. Twice dead. Plucked up by the roots. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Raging waves of the sea,
Dr. Kinley: Raging waves of the sea... You know how the waves go when the wind blows, they're as winds of doctrine. Blah, blah, blah. Hurls great big waves up yonder, turbulent and unsafe, because ____ ____ under the force out there of some of 'em out there. And Jesus said, peace be still. Raging waves of the sea. Even the ____ ____ ____ ____ and the waves roar and be coming up, winds blowing and carrying on, great storm and a tempest, all that rain and showers. There ain't nothing to it. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There ain't a thing to that, just raging waves. Winds blowing. Read, Doc.
Dr. Harris: foaming out their own shame;
Dr. Kinley: foaming out of their own shame;
Dr. Harris: wandering stars,
Dr. Kinley: wandering stars... Remember this, how his tail drew the third part of the stars. They are wandering stars, and he run 'em right on down. 'Oh, Jesus said.' Wandering star.
Dr. Harris: to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Dr. Kinley: to whom is reserved the blackness and darkness for ever. You can just say, 'Don't you see? Don't you see? Don't...' No, he don't see. Look like to me that's as plain as if you oughta see. Don't you see? No, no. Well he's reserved for that. He don't come to the light cause he's being reserved. He's bound up there. And you can just preach til your head falls off. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: And Enoch also,
Dr. Kinley: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these things, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of angels. I know what's in that book. You don't have to read it to me, just to find out what is in it. All right.
Dr. Harris: To execute judgement upon all,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh,
Dr. Harris: and to convince, and, and to convince all that are ungodly
Dr. Kinley: Now, con, to convince all that are ungodly. Now, I've been trying to say around here and tell you all the time that there was ungodly men. 'Are you
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telling me, it's my pastor? I don't think you got any business, talking about me and my religion. There was such a man, he was one.' Now ain't that the way you acted? Ain't that the way you carried on? And you'd do well to not get punched in the mouth. 'You mean to tell me, as holy as he is, and all that kinda thing?' When you address Pope Paul, you must address him as 'His holiness, the Pope.' Now is that right?
Student Body: That's right. Yes!
Dr. Kinley: Now, you wanna know what Isaiah says about our righteousness. Says all of our holiness is as filthy rags.28 You and your holiness. But now look, he must be of that natural. And Satan's always taught you to bow and stoop to him. That's his preaching to you and you can not get it out of him. Why? Because he's reserved there. That reservation is already made; you don't have to call and make none, they're already made. All right, just a little further, Doc.
Dr. Harris: and to convince all that are ungodly among them
Dr. Kinley: and to convince all that are ungodly among them
Dr. Harris: of all their ungodly deeds
Dr. Kinley: of all their ungodly deeds to believe in something you're committed of. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: which they have ungodly committed,
Dr. Kinley: which they have ungodly committed,
Dr. Harris: and of all their hard speeches
Dr. Kinley: and of all their hard speeches
Dr. Harris: which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Dr. Kinley: which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Now, you see what I'm talking about? And here I come trying my best to tell you. And here you wanna knock me in the mouth for it. And I told you time and time again, I've had my pants kicked for just the same as I've preached here to you tonight. Now, in Jude, somewhere there said that he was speaking of chiefly those that walk after the flesh.
Dr. Freddy Allen, Jr.: 2nd Peter, 2nd Peter 2:8.
Dr. Kinley: All right. Peter said practically the same thing. Cutting it short. Peter said practically the same thing that Jude did. Now, remember this is that man that was down there baptizing and... This is the same man.
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Dr. Allen, Jr.: But chiefly them that
Dr. Kinley: Read.
Dr. Allen, Jr.: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh
Dr. Kinley: Get up above there a little bit, Freddy. Now, now read fast. I wanna go home.
Dr. LeSalle Williams: The Lord, the Lord knoweth how to deliver the
Dr. Kinley: Now, the Lord knows how to deliver the godly
Dr. Williams: the godly out of temptations
Dr. Kinley: the godly out of temptations. If you just listen at the voice of the Lord and to those whom He has sent, He'll deliver you right on out of them because the Lord talking. Now listen, the 17th chapter of Revelations says this, the 18th chapter of Revelations. Babylon has become the cage of every foul and unclean spirit, in a cage of every foul and unclean spirit. And the Lord calls, come out of her my people, come on out of Babylon. Come out of confusion my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and receive not of her plagues. I'm trying to keep you from being confused about these natural things being over here. And you know Christendoom out there is confused about it. One says you oughta do it this way, another says you oughta do it that way. And the Papacy and all, they're doing nothing else but them old natural things. They got two thousand four hundred and fourteen or more laws that they keep natural things that they keep and doing. Even now they're walking around with a cross on their back and a crown on their head. Celebrating washing feet, and celebrating Passovers, celebrating feast days for Pete, celebrating feast days for Paul, celebrating... It's just a constant thing. All of the natural things. And God is just, and Protestantism doing the same, and is God calling you out of participating in the works of the Law, cause carnal ordinances are nailed to the cross, and we are worshipping God in spirit and in truth. Understand? Do you all understand?
Student Body: Yes, yes.
Dr. Kinley: and all they're doing is blaspheming God through their ignorance. Just a little further Freddy, because I want you to read... Do this up fast, because I want to go home myself.
Dr. Allen, Jr.: The Lord knoweth how to deliver the...
Dr. Kinley: Now, the Lord knows how to deliver the ungodly, the godly
Dr. Allen, Jr.: out of temptations,
Dr. Kinley: out of temptations,
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Dr. Allen, Jr.: and to reserve the unjust
Dr. Kinley: and just to the what?
Dr. Allen, Jr.: and to reserve the unjust unto the
Dr. Kinley: He'll do what?
Dr. Allen, Jr.: Reserve
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____ ____ ____. If he was saying preserve, I wasn't gonna have that. But He knows how to deliver the godly out of temptation. He knows how to deliver you when Satan comes around tempting you with that. Now you wouldn't get into it, cause you won't be ignorant. They speak evil that, they who are ignorant, Satan by the works of damnation, you won't take communion. What you've been doing. But, now, the Lord knows how to deliver you out of all that. Saying, 'Just get out.' He'll get you out of it, for He knows how... God said, He'll deliver you out of temptation. All right, read just a little further, Doc.
Dr. Allen, Jr.: and to reserve the unjust unto the day
Dr. Kinley: and to reserve the unjust until the day of judgment to be punished.
Dr. Allen, Jr.: But chiefly them that walk after
Dr. Kinley: Now, you see that? Didn't I just get through telling you? Didn't I just get through telling you that? Chiefly, they're not doing nothing but just walking after the flesh. Chiefly they're just walking after the flesh. Now, there's that man that you talked about commanded Cornelius and them to be baptized. See he's got his lesson learnt, supposed to be used to them. But chiefly them that walk after the flesh... Read on there, Doc.
Dr. Allen, Jr.: in the lust of uncleanness,
Dr. Kinley: in the lust of uncleanness,
Dr. Allen, Jr.: and despise government.
Dr. Kinley: and despise government... control of the government of the Holy Ghost. Read on.
Dr. Allen, Jr.: Presumptuous are they,
Dr. Kinley: They're presumptuous! They don't want me talking about it! I just got through telling you that!
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Allen, Jr.: selfwilled (self-willed?),
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Dr. Kinley: selfwilled (self-willed?), bull headed, selfish, all of it, going on in it anyhow. 'I'm going on into the kingdom of God.' The first tabernacle stood only in meats and drinks and diverse washings, but the kingdom of God, 14th chapters of Romans, the 17th verse, the kingdom of God is not meats and drinks; but it's righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 'But I'm going on in,'
TAPE 2, SIDE B: 'I'm gonna eat it anyhow.' Just stubborn, bullheaded. Ain't that what you just got through reading?
Dr. Allen. Jr.: selfwilled (self-willed?)
Dr. Kinley: Selfwilled (self-willed?). Read on
Dr. Allen, Jr.: they are not afraid to speak evil
Dr. Kinley: they are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries. They're not afraid to speak against me that's preaching to you in the spirit. And on over in Jude they're saying, they're not only not afraid, they'll cut my head off, and throw it at my body, as they have done in the past. You know the Roman Catholic Church has killed millions, and the Protestants, too. And they're not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, who that God has sent to preach. They're not afraid of it!! Butcher you, just the same as you butcher a hog. All right, read on.
Dr. Allen. Jr.: Whereas angels,
Dr. Kinley: Whereas angels... Now you gone right back to them same old Satanic spirits, cause.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
recorded by Dr Carl F. Gross on reel to real recorder
transferred to audio cassette by Geraldine Rothstein
1 60 minute and 1 30 minute audio cassette
CATALOG #: 66CC
transcribed by Mary Colucci
proofread by Michael Rothstein and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE
1. … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, ain’t that right, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Tape 1 Side A
Dr. Kinley: I think it would be in order for me to explain now which is nothing but a repetition or repeating it over again that you see these charts and you see how they are made up. And I would like to tell you that there isn't anybody on earth that can actually draw these charts like they ought to be to show you every polytechnical thing. It just can not be done. Now, I think we did a fairly good job. I'm not talking about passing no art test cause I know they will not do that. If you look at 'em you'd find many bad and drastic failures when it comes to art. So we were not trying to follow that. But what we were trying to do is to convey a thought to you. Well now why am I telling you these things? Is because first of all I want you to understand that these charts, they reflect the purpose of God. And you can't do nothing without them. Nobody can. No school, nowhere under the sun can do anything without a knowledge of what you see printed on these charts. But I didn't want you to think that this was an art exhibition.
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We know better than that. And we're not all proud of it because of this artistic value. But, the thing that we want you to realize is, and we try to convey some kind of a thought to you. Now I'm gonna point out some of the reasons and show you that you'll have to realize and then we're gonna get back on this, on this, these prophecies and what not. And incidently we brought the little books along tonight. Last week I said, I made the statement that Jehovah Witnesses had said that these days of the creation were 7,000 years long each day. And some young lady setting over here see after class, class was dismissed, she said Jehovah's Witnesses did not teach that. And so I told her they did. And if she wished to I, I would see to it that she got the book. And she could read it in that book for herself. Well I brought it along tonight. Now what happens is this. A lot of them, that go to these various different meetings around and in almost any denomination you wanna talk about whether its Catholic or Protestant, actually don't know the doctrine.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And that goes for the priests in the Roman Catholic Church. They don't know. And if, from the Pope on down, knew what it, really knew, what it was all about, he wouldn't be going off out there someplace on his summer vacation to meditate whether or not that they should endorse contraception. There wouldn't be any question about whether they should eat meat on Friday or what not telling you what it was all about. Get the point? And all those things that they brought up at the ecumenical council, while as to have some confirmatory decision whether that, they should be some revision of their previous stand in the Roman Catholic Church. In other words, the Ecumenical Council should not have convened in the first place if they had known what it was all about. Because for this reason there was a council that convened before them. But that just so happened to be upstairs. I'm talking about God and His purpose. And he decreed and declared the end from the beginning. And he didn't have nobody to consult. And he didn't have no hindrance and no obstruction to carry out anything that He declares. Get the point? Am I getting it over to you? Well now when you pick up books from various different cults and denominations and sects and what not, and read those, you know without me telling you there are people in all of these different churches, now you know that. But now I'll say this. If any one of 'em was right, the others would fall by the weight of that one. So it would pay you to do a little investigation. And don't be so stubborn about what you thought and what you believe and all those kind of things that you have been taught previous all your life, don't make no difference whether it's Catholic or Protestant or Buddhist or Muhammedist (Mohammedist?) or what ever it is, it is ____ to do a little investigation. For the simple reason why, know this: that there is deception in the world. And it is possible for you to be deceived. It's possible. And there isn't but one way to keep you from being deceived and that is you must let the barriers down and be willing to accept the Word of the Lord.
Student Body: Okay.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's the only hope and possibility. Now it don't make no difference about some council agreed to do and how they decided about it. You
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just must take what the Lord has said. And I've said this time and time again, the same thing I'm fixing to tell you, can't nobody in the world explain and tell you what the purpose of God is and how it is carried out so that it makes sense to you but God Himself.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now that oughta settle that argument. Then I tried to tell you something else. We have all had different concepts and ideas and opinions. Everybody. But you don't have no justifiable reason to conclude that you know what it's all about and don't nobody else know but you so that you and your dogmas must be outstanding. It's not that. You might been able to recite anything that you believe by heart but that doesn't necessarily mean that you're right about it. All of us has got Bibles. I doubt seriously whether anybody in here or not cause in America you must go to school. I doubt seriously whether there's anybody in here that can't read a Bible. That's why you hear me say that this is not, definitely not a Bible reading. scripture quoting contest. That's not what we're down here for. Who can recite the most, and who can remember chapter and verse the most and all. All of those things have been misappropriated and misinterpretated (misinterpreted?) and misapplied. Anything you wanna read in the Bible. So it just can't be that. Now, I want you to see first now, we, we try to, everything we do here, we try to give you some figures if its mathematics or if its allegories or metaphors or symbolism or if prophetic intervals or if its political or whatever it is. I told you time and time again we challenge the world. And if I tell you, if you'll allow me to boast that much, if I tell you that some of these denominations or cults said a certain thing, they said it, cause I won't tell you that they said something that they didn't say.
Student Body: Right. That's right. That's the truth
Dr. Kinley: Now we wrote a book and I said many things in this book, that the Roman Catholics said. This book is documented. Now what I mean by documentation is this. This is what I mean. I mean I told you who said it. And where you can go and find it and read it for yourself. I told you in the book where it come from and who said it. Now when I put that in the book now they wanna cut my head off for what they said. And I had to get their permission before I could put it in this book. And you can't write a lie in this book, you understand because if you do, then this is what's gonna happen. Then they'll sue you for libel.
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Dr. Kinley: ...have so many representatives you understand before you can incorporate. See if you happen to mess up then they sue the incorpore... incorporation. I've been sayin' these things, same thing for thirty-five years, before we printed that book in 1961. And some of them are horrifying things. They're disgraceful and shameful. But you haven't heard nothing about no suit have you? I just dare any of them to attempt to sue this organization for some that is in that book. And if what was in that book wasn't so you would have heard about it. I'm trying, the thing I'm trying to get you to say, see, I don't stand
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up there and make statements that can't be verified. Now the little book over there. Now, this is a book. I told the young lady I was quoting about. The Jehovah's Witnesses said that these days represents, each one of these days represents 7000 years. And there was 42.., God was 42000 years in creating the heavens and the earth. And she said Jehovah's Witness didn't teach that. Is the young lady here tonight? Now people'll get up and walk off. Get the point? ____ ____ ____ she said. Now listen let me tell you something. Dr. Gross knows I'm telling the truth. In Springfield, Ohio, in 1955 we had a room that we met in and held class in. We paid the rent ourselves. And let Jehovah's Witnesses hold their meeting in it free of charge. And beat 'em to death on everything till they moved. And we have been ____ almost every where we go for 45 years. Dr. Harris you was back there one time, Sister Mary, you was back there, Sister Marion you was back there one time, back there ____ in Springfield, not Cincinnati not too long ago. And they come out of Middletown because they had my brother up there, he was teaching up there in Franklin, and they come all the way from, Brother Williams picked 'em up from Franklin to Middletown, from Middletown down to Lockland. Now they been sure, they been hearing about that Dr. Kinley, he's a great teacher, they wanted to see me. So when Dr. Harris and I and Sister Mary and Sister Harris went there. Here they come. And they sat and they heard Dr. Harris teach and I got up behind Dr. Harris and then they wanted to say now there's different places where we was wrong at. And finally by and by, I don't have, I don't have nothing else but time. 120 minutes don't limit by ability. Take me longer than that to tell you what I know. So we fought that night until about two o'clock in the morning. And they said I was about 99% right. They said that in the classroom. About two or a little after two in the morning. That they never said that until they got out in the hall. And then when they got out in the hall, I thought I'd take the other one percent. I'm telling it straight ain't I Doc?
Person: Yes, you were.
Dr. Kinley: And so we finished out in the hall and they tied the ribbon on and said well.., we give up. Now different ones had come into this school. They don't know these things. They don't realize 'em. Now I told you time and time again I know everybody's doctrines, even the heathen, the heathen doctrine. And I don't care too much about telling my age, but I'm a little over seventy. And all of my life from a child on up has been devoted to studying what the other fella thought. I was just born that way. Get the point? Now I know what you think. And I know why you think it. And everything you think is wrong. Why? Because that's what you thought. Your mind just don't function on that plane. If it already functioned on that plane then there wouldn't be no need of conversion. Get the point? Wouldn't be no need of it. But it's not, it's, it's not even logical to assume or to think that a carnal mind functions on a spiritual plane.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And to be carnal minded to begin with is enmity against God, for the carnal mind can not please God. And now that's what, that's the reason why I tried to tell you. Look up here. A carnal mind and carnal ordinance function together. Now if a carnal mind and carnal ordinances functions together. Lotta
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people didn't even know what a carnal ordinance was till they come here. Yet and still, they was all saved and had the Holy Ghost. And I'm not talking about no one person. I'm talking about that's the way it was with everybody.
Student Body: That's the truth.
Dr. Kinley: They thought they had something. I was assistant Pastor, I ought not be disgraced on telling on myself. And if it's true in my case it's almost got to be true in yours. Because I am as you are and you are as I was. How that that? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) How'm I doing? Am I getting anywhere? Now I done preached holiness for 15 years. And for not like my sermons and all that, and I'm preaching the holy consecrated life 15 years in the Church of God just like Dr. Williams was 18 years in the Church of Christ. And for you try to tell me I was wrong. I knew there was a lot of things I didn't understand, I knew that. I wasn't ashamed or afraid to admit it, but nevertheless I didn't think the average person didn't know any more about it that I did. And I did believe that the Bible was right. And I was classified, just like this man down here to ____, Jerry Owens, a walking bible. Now that's the way I was classified long before I seen any vision. And here on morning I told you all about it so many times. Here one morning after I done get put out of church. Now you know that hurt bishop. Sure it hurt. I just, I just felt so bad. Look I mean, I really cried tears run down my cheeks. And if ever was a man serious about it I can testify to my own seriousness just like you can to yours. And here when God showed me the vision and revelation, when I saw the vision I didn't understand it. And then when He revealed it to me the meaning of it, then I understood. That's why I had you to read Daniel last... Then listen, it just tore up that carnal mind, everything I had in my mind was wrong. now look I had to go back, stand before the world and admit that I was wrong about it. Now you know if I had to do that you know I'm no respecter of.., I had to admit it. I had to confess it. Now you can stand around baptizing in water. Look I baptized a whole lotta folks. You got nothing on me. I mean I baptized 'em myself. I was the man doing the baptizing. Now here you are setting out here you'd thought I baptized. You get the point? And I had to go back and tell them people different. And the very people that I tried to tell that I was wrong about it and people say, you're still wrong. We'll, now we've had people to come, this is just a plain bed sheet. I bet you don't know nobody else got a bed sheet 35 years old laying around the house like that. Have you? (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) And that thing was just hanging around for many, many years before I even thought about how that the sheet was let down at Cornelius' house. I never even gave it a thought. Read it too, but I don't mean to say that there is anything so miraculous about that but you know it's just coincidental that a bed sheet lasts that long. And as much wear and tear, this thing here, much wear and tear as it has as many times as Dr. Gross has patched it, all most every time somebody gets up here with a pointer they knock a hole in it. But he manages to patch it up some kind of way. Got some holes in it now. But the thing I wanna get over to you is, now I have portrayed on these charts, I portrayed on them what the Lord showed me in a vision. And nobody from nowhere has ever been able to dispute it. And I have been from coast to coast. And I've met some of the smartest men in the world. Here's a book. Give me that book back. Now we sent a letter to Pope John the 23rd and to the heads of Christendoom. This book
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along with its publisher was at the International Council of Churches that met in New Delhi, India. And they went right down by this book. This book here. And they admitted that they was wrong. And that they had to go back home and study water baptism, foot washings, Lord Suppers. And they said they had been walking in darkness, and they had lead the people wrong. Now I've said that, too. Now if you want some proof for that, I'll bring some proof next week, I'll bring the newspaper clipping. And I can produce one, at least one witness that heard the man that was at the Ecumenical Council and said that book was used. Didn't he say that Bishop Short?
Bishop Short: He sure did. He surely did.
Dr. Kinley: But they didn't call him in. Now you see a little Baptist or some sect will run up here in this school then and try and hold out and try and tell me that I'm wrong about something and he don't really realize that the heads of his organization have admitted that they're wrong. And that book was at the Ecumenical Council too. And everything that happened at the Ecumenical Council they've taken into account and, and have admitted they was wrong. You're in some school. This is real. This is genuine. You talking about United Nations Court, World League and all that kinda thing. You in it in this school. Yes indeed. Now before I, I want you to find in this book. I even read it. Read it and said let Dr. Harris read it. I want the, you just read it. Read that paragraph that where she raved about it. Would You? I want to show you that when I tell you something, it's right. Then when he gets through with that I want to show you how impossible it is and why it's impossible to draw this thing out like it out to be. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: Similarly with the six preceding created days. They started out indistinctly but ended up with full light as to what had been purposed and accomplished each day. Since the fourth commandment about the weekly Sabbath Day is based upon the created week as a pattern and since the days of the week marked out by the fourth commandment are all equal. It argues that each of the days of the created week were likewise equal in length. That is 7000 years. Since the period described in Genesis 1:1 and 2 preceded the created week this according to God's will allows that period of original creation to be indefinite in length much longer than the entire 49,000 years, 7 x 7000 years of the created week. The created week itself began about 46025 B.C. according to the Bible's time table.
Dr. Kinley: Now what book are you reading out of, where that goes?
Dr. Harris: Book, called, it's called 'New Heaven and a New Earth', publishers: Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society Inc. International Bible Students Association Book of Now York, USA. That's it.
Dr. Kinley: Are you satisfied?
Student Body: Yeah.
Dr. Kinley: Is it there?
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Student Body: Yeah.
Dr. Kinley: Now what did I bring that up for? Alright, now, just like they made a mistake there about that, they messed this up too. This prophetic interval. And they're not the only ones that messed it up. The Seven Day Adventists messed it up and it's pretty bad. And they're dogmatically contending they are right. Well now my job is I have to prove it. I have to prove anytime I say something's wrong, its just, I have to prove it. I don't wanna argue with, I'm like the archangel was about Satan arguing about where the body of Moses was buried. Michael just said, instead of arguing a great long drawn out argument he said, 'the Lord rebuke you'. I don't want to argue about these things. We got to put forth positive proof. Now let me show it and I'll get down to business. Now let me show you why I said ____ these charts, it's impossible to draw. And you have to take all these things into account and consideration when somebody is on the floor teaching. Now you see this veil, the first veil here or the door up here in the temple. And then here's another veil. Now this comes into the Holy Place and this is the Most Holy Place and then here's a veil here. You see how those veils are arched there. See how they're arched. Well, now you don't see that in here. And you just see a little thing. In here it ain't even as good even as it is in here. Cause this is something I direct in here. And I don't know enough about art, couldn't draw it myself in the first place. The other fella he tried to draw it like I tell him. And that's the best he could do with it at that time. But since then we learned a little more about how to draw things. So we made a little improvements, but it still means the same thing though. Get it? Now look, look folks. Now you see how that veil's in there? This is the same thing here. This is the veil here. Here's a veil here. Here's a veil there. This is called a door or an entrance. And this is an entrance into the Most Holy Place. This is entrance into the Holy Place. Now here down here you got a gate. Now you know Messiah said enter in at the straight gate. So this is what he's talking about. Now you reading that in the Bible don't mean you know what the straight gate is. Nobody didn't say you couldn't read a Bible. Now then this first veil here is the, is the door or the entrance. See how that's divided, forms a door. Then you've got the vessels of the sanctuary in there? Now God told Moses how to build this and how to make everything in it. He explained it to him. Now I can't set this lamp on this side or move this table over here. I have to leave 'em right where He said put them. I even have to face that tabernacle facing the east. Now if you notice the veils in here on this, now then in here you just got something that comes around the side here, nondescriptive. You got a veil in here, you got the veils in here. And on those long veils, each one of them what the veil meant there. Now you have in your Bible the first, dividing, the first and the second heaven. That veil that's what that is. This one's up here in the sanctuary which is all a part of this tabernacle which is all a part of this tabernacle here that everybody can see. You got the Court Round About, then you have these two vessels out here in the Outer Court, brazen altar and brazen laver. I have to set this all right where God said to set them. I can't change them.
Now if somebody that don't know they want to come around and tell me thus and so forth and so on. I know you don't know, instead of you setting down and letting somebody tell you, you up here wasting a lot of time, running your mouth and all, when you don't know what you're talking about? And nobody on earth
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can do without it, you must come back and take this, this vision. So then I have to set this blood, this altar here and I have to set this water in the laver. And I have to set the Red Sea in here, and the water here. Blood and the water. Blood and the water. The blood and the water. Blood and the water, The blood and the water. The blood and the water. The blood and the water. Do you understand? The blood and the water. The blood and the water. I can't never miss it. And anytime I get out of harmony with that, I'm just wrong. And each one. Now this Red Sea forms this veil through here and you don't even see the veil in there. I just said this is the door. The veil is the door. So then, now then the River Jordan here forms this veil, and that's an entrance in there. Now what you've done is you've put them right together. You've put it together, it don't make no difference what you're dealing with. The atom, the man, the Godhead, anything in nature, and anything in heaven, anything in Earth. You have to use this God given pattern. Why? Because it is Him transfigured or transformed. That's Him himself. Get the point? That's the reason why it's wrote, up here, 'Elohim or God the Archetypical or the Original Pattern of the Universe.' And everything in the Universe the universe itself. There isn't anything. Nothing. And when I say nothing I mean nothing. I don't mean all but, I mean everything. And we put that against everything. Now that function and that operation is what makes up the history of the world. And it can never digress or deviate at anytime. It can not do that, because if it did then God would be running just like something out of balance with it. That's the reason why we can declare the end from the beginning. The end is just like the beginning. And what makes up the history of the world is its constant function. Now that's what I have appeared here. Is showing you, up here. I put it beside the Godhead itself. I put it beside attributes. And I showed you what each veil meant, the dividing of the waters above and the water beneath. And I showed you in your Bible how it come down in the first chapter of Genesis. Now look folks, God was not six days in creating the heaven and earth. He was not 42,000 years in creating the heaven and the earth. Now it would look like that I've make a mistake, but I didn't. And somebody said, 'well, how long was He in creating everything there, and how old is the heaven and earth?' Science say four 1/2 billion.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Here not too long ago, they say 4 billion. And now they say they don't say that definite. They say it's approximately 4 1/2 billion. That's wrong. Why? How can you say that? Because the heaven and earth was not created in the realm of time. That's why I can say that. The Bible doesn't teach that it was. Well then somebody says that dean, assistant dean says to me, 'well, than what does mean over here then in the 20th chapter of Exodus. Remember the Sabbath day keep it holy for in 6 days God created the heaven and earth'. Now it look like I'm in direct contradiction doesn't it? Oh come on admit it. Then when we come down through these days here that you got in the first part of the Genesis in all. where Moses looked at the vision and said the evening and the morning were the first day, evening and the morning were the second day, so forth and so on. Get it? And then, here David in the Psalms 90 and 4 says one day with the Lord, Elohim is as a thousand years when it is passed as a watch in the night. Peter said one day, II Peter 3:8, one day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a
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thousand years is as one day. Then you come back here and you say each one of these days is created, created days is a thousand years long. Now when you get right down to business with it. Now here's Moses up here in the mountain and here's where they all miss the boat. Moses is seeing a vision. And the clouds hanging over the mountain six days just like you walking around six days now. And each one of these days by the sun rising and setting Moses was seeing a vision and that's fourteen hundred and ninety years before the birth of the Messiah. See the point? This is the Lord that he's seeing in the vision. Now it's just what we might call or describe as a re-run. Now there is something else deep there that I don't hardly ever tell a person. Now if you take your Bible and star to reading in your Bible and you say in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form and darkness was on the face of the deep and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters and God said, 'let there be light'. God said, 'let there be light'. And there was light. And the evening and the morning was the first day. Ain't that the way it reads? Now when God created the heaven and the earth He didn't say that. Now that looks like I disputed the Bible again. And you turn, you don't understand, you turn around it, it did it, it... 'don't it say.' You got your finger right on it. And now I'm saying I don't have no way to get to you. And you won't hold still long enough for me to tell you nothing. Now when God created the heaven and earth, listen Williams, in the realm of eternity, not in time, because it takes the sun, moon and stars and, and all of those things, they were put there for seasons and for years, you get that? Get that? And for your information they still operate for the purpose for which He put them there. Sun, the moon, and the stars. Tell you what we're going to find out about that. We've shooting some rockets up there, we're gonna land in 1970. Now you just be careful that moon don't land on you. Because God said he'd roll 'em together as a scroll. Now here they come in here in the realm of Eternity and they're going to go back out there in the realm of eternity. You get the point? And we are right down close to the time. Now let me get back and clear up this expression. I said it didn't say that. Now look Roger, there wasn't anybody for God to say anything at all to, unless you wanna say He was talking to Himself. How do you feel Doc?
Dr. Gross: Okay.
Dr. Kinley: All right. Now He just willed the thing to be within Himself.
Student Body: Right, Right.
Dr. Kinley: And when He willed it to be that way in the original creation, it just was the way He willed it to be. Get it? Well now proof put forward. Now here is Moses up in the mountain. He's seeing the vision. Seeing the re-run of it. Listen, and God is narrating it, and Moses is listening at Him narrating. You see the point? It's just like Cecile B. Demille made a moving picture of the Ten Commandments years and years ago. It's what they call a silent picture. And they'd flash the reading on the screen. And he took a notion that he wanted to make the Ten Commandments in a sound picture before he died and he made this last ten commandments. And you could just set there in your seat and see the picture. Whoever it was I think it was, I know the name of the fella, I can't call it
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that narrated and played the part of Moses and them. Narrated.
Student Body: Charlton Heston
Dr. Kinley: Charlton Heston and others narrated. Now here is what God did before there was anything that He willed it. Now here's Moses up here in the mountain seeing what took place and here is God narrating it to him. Said in the beginning God said that's what Moses tell you in the beginning, God said let there be light and the evening and the morn. He's telling you what all God said cause it is God narrating what he's seeing in the vision. Now if you could just learn that much tonight. Get the Point? Now that was in the realm of eternity. Now listen. Now when you get down here it's pointing out here, now for remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy for in six days God created the heaven and earth. Now let me explain that. Now, the sun is rising and setting just like you from Monday in this week. I'm trying to fix it so you can understand. In this Monday in this week and you go through to Sunday, the next Sunday. That would constitute a week, wouldn't it? And this week. Now then that's how Moses was long afterwards fourteen hundred and ninety years before the birth of the Messiah. He's running that thing over, back over. Sun is already created and it's rising and setting.
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...rising and setting way even before Moses or any of them. And now He's got him up here in Mount and God has, is showing him the vision of what He did to bring everything into existence. And He Himself is narrating it and Moses is listening at the narration and looking at the vision and writing what He saying down and telling you what He said in his narration, See how easy it is? And that cloud hung over that mountain six days by the time, Those are the six days that it took him to see the vision of the creation, Those are the six days that he means, for in six says while Moses was in that state and then He re-runned it up there in the mount, six days and Moses, his innerself is in the realm of eternity with God and not in the realm of time, because official time keepers is the sun and moon. They're there for the seasons and years, Now am I lying?
Student Body: No sir,
Dr. Kinley: If you think I am I'll read. You see the point? Well, all these deep esoteric things. Science and theologians, they haven't, they haven't got it figured out. Now that's what he means when he says, for in six days. It took Him six days to run that off. In, that took place in the realm of eternity. And Moses sees the vision and He narrated. And tell you what went on each one of them days. And each one of them days that that sun hung over there, each one of those days it is God Himself putting time in the realm of eternity,
Student Body: right, yea, yuh.
Dr. Kinley: not eternity in the realm of time. You turn it around the other way. Cause all. Listen, here's where Jehovah's Witnesses made their mistake. Here's
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where science made theirs. Everything that happened, it happened in the realm of eternity or eternity or the day. The day and eternity. Now that's what you got down your in the second chapter of Genesis.
Student Body: 2nd and 4
Dr. Kinley: Somebody read it, please.
Reader: These are the origins of the heaven
Dr. Kinley: These are the origins of the heaven and the earth
Reader: When they were created
Dr. Kinley: When they were created
Reader: in the day
Dr. Kinley: in the day or in the eternity, in the day that never had, don't have no end, don't have no beginning or in the realm... Isaiah 57:15 says God inhabiteth eternity. The word eternal and eternity it means without any starting point or any ending. Now Jehovah's Witnesses, they got themselves a starting point. ____ the day there. Now then what they have did, was they have multiplied these days as one thousand years when they got 'em back here in this the day or in the realm. They didn't realize that they was in the realm of eternity. So each one of the day that you got down there he's saying is seven thousand years long and multiplied it by seven which got it seven times seven is forty nine including the Sabbath. Forty nine thousand years. Forty nine thousand years. Listen. Forty nine thousand years that God was in creating the heaven and earth. Well, listen, don't you see, don't you understand that if God was gonna create something in a day who's gonna create the day for him to create something in? answer me. See how we get our mouth shut. Once somebody said, 'well, now listen, you don't know whether that's so or not.' Well let me see what I do, I go back over here. I test that. I go back over here. He said the earth was surrounded by water. That's what Moses said there in the first chapter of Genesis. Now when I get ready to find out, I go in the 24th chapter of Exodus, the 9th 10th and 16th verse.. Now listen Dr. Gross has written a book and helped me write in that book. Now, look. Listen. I said that the Genesis, or let's put it this way. I said that the Exodus was before the Genesis. Somebody run up and grab up a dictionary and say, Genesis means origin or beginning.
Now I can't tell 'em no different. It does mean that. And he thinks that where he's starting to read the Bible in the first chapter of Genesis, he thinks he's starting at the origin or the beginning. And then here I am, I am telling' no, the Exodus was before the Genesis. And he's saying, 'what kind of an idiot are you anyhow?' And he's just amazed beyond even expression. Now here's what I'm telling you Bishop. Now you just have to agree with me. I'm saying that the children of Israel which is expressed in the book of Exodus. Exodus means going out. I've said that they went out of Egypt and through the Red Sea before they came in to the
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wilderness of Sinai where Mount Sinai was and saw the vision. I've said that they departed out of Egypt come out of Egypt as is expressed in the Exodus or Exodus means coming out. They come out of there before they ran around the mountain. So Exodus is just got to be before the Genesis. It's got it be. Right Freddie?
Fred Allen Jr.: Right.
Dr. Kinley: But you find nobody out there in Christiandoom that would just say that ____ and drawing all kinds of dictionaries on you and swear by all that's holy. Now if you look at the 24th and 9th and 10th verse I said and the cloud, Exodus I'm talking about, and said the cloud covered the top of the mountain six days. That's in Exodus not Genesis and Moses is telling you what he saw in the vision up in that cloud, after he come out of Egypt, seeing the vision he said he knew...' Now when he got ready to compile that book he put that in the first part of the book of Genesis. Then somebody they, they didn't know they thought that was the beginning of creation. That's not. He said that Genesis 1:1, said in the beginning God created the heaven and earth. And that's where these people Jehovah's Witness and all rest of them is arguing on. Now Dr. Gross and I, we've looked for 35 long years trying to find somebody that understood something about this vision, in the libraries every which way, all over the world. We ain't found nobody yet. You found anybody?
Dr. Gross: No
Dr. Kinley: You know, I've seen you since you last looked.
Dr. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Have you seen anybody that said they saw somebody that said they seen somebody?
Dr. Gross: No, I didn't.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see, you see what it's up against? But now a child can sit there and when you understand it it's just as plain and simple as the nose on your face. Now that cloud expressed there in Exodus, reading down through the verses and all. 'Well I wouldn't accept that; show you how dogmatic I am. I wouldn't accept that. I could say, well, the book of Genesis is a figment of imagination, and played the part of an atheist if I wanted to. You couldn't stop me, unless you understood the story.' That's what has created so many so called atheists is because they don't understand it, and it just don't make sense. Get the point? And out of that you get all the divisions. You see the Point? Now I said I wouldn't accept it. Now that's me doing this talking, this time. Unless it could be proven and verified, I won't buy it at all. So then I have to go to John on the Isle of Patmos. Now I've got the first and the last books. And I've got to draw them together and everything that's in this Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Everything. History and all, has got to fall in that group by that Pattern. And any translator makes a mistake, I got you dead by the neck. I got you dead. Dead to the right. You want me show you some discrepancies? Take the 9th chapter of Hebrews
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where we're talking about the pattern. And take the 25th chapter of Exodus. The 9th chapter of Hebrew and the 1st and 2nd verse.
Reader: Then verily the first covenant..
Dr. Kinley: Then verily the first covenant... Now look, this is the 1st covenant with Israel back here. The first one, not with Noah, not with Abraham. Then verily the first covenant...
Reader: had also ordinances of service
Dr. Kinley: had orders of service
Reader: and a worldly sanctuary
Dr. Kinley: and a worldly sanctuary
Reader: for in the first compartment in
Dr. Kinley: for in the first compartment
Reader: of the tabernacle
Dr. Kinley: of the tabernacle
Reader: were the candlesticks
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, now here's what she's talking, here's what she's reading about. I'm looking right at it. Get the point? Now here's what she's reading about. In the first compartment. That means that you go in this door here this first compartment in the tabernacle. Now you said that verily there was, the first covenant there was a tabernacle made. Now please bear in mind that these Hebrews or Israelites are Jews not Gentiles. Alright, read on.
Reader: for in the first compartment of the tabernacle
Dr. Kinley: for in the first compartment of the tabernacle
Reader: were the candlesticks
Dr. Kinley: were the candlesticks. There it is
Reader: the table
Dr. Kinley: the table
Reader: and the shewbread
Dr. Kinley: and the shewbread
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Reader: which is called the Holy place
Dr. Kinley: which is called the Holy Place
Reader: and beyond the veil
Dr. Kinley: and beyond the veil, that's beyond this veil here, that's beyond that, takes you into the Most Holy Place. Read.
Reader: The second compartment of the tabernacle
Dr. Kinley: that second compartment
Reader: which is called the Holy of Holies
Dr. Kinley: which is called the Holy of Holies
Reader: which had the golden censor
Dr. Kinley: which had the golden censor. The censor that Aaron carried hand. He did right here. Which had the censor. Read.
Reader: and the ark of the covenant
Dr. Kinley: and the ark of the covenant
Reader: overlaid round about with gold
Dr. Kinley: and the Ark of the covenant. Here's the ark of the covenant. Alright Read.
Reader: Wherein was the golden pot that had manna
Dr. Kinley: Wherein was the golden pot that had the manna
Reader: and Aaron
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Dr. Kinley: Now you get the 25th chapter of Exodus. And you read it there the 25th chapter that it was in there. And I mean it had to sit right where I set it. You see how particular it was. Then I had to go on through the veil and into the Most Holy Place. This is a better picture of it here. This is within.., here's the veil here. Now look. Look up here folks. Everything that Messiah did when He was here in this world. Every little jot and every little tittle that He performed, He went right by that pattern. Now look how particular and picky I am about it. If you would walk up to this chart and look at it real good you would see that here's Romans 8:25, 26, 27; Hebrews form this altar. Just draw it out to description and got it down here. And when you see the incense burning on the altar. Here I got him down
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there and the intercession going on in his mind. That's putting it right in there. It showed that He was the intercessor. See how particular I was? Now you go over here and you find that Aaron burned that incense here. While he's burning this incense, they was on the outside around here praying. And look, I even got to know what hour that is. Just that particular. Nine and three: Hour of Prayer. You just don't run in and out there anytime. Now here is the Messiah. He's out out there yonder in the garden making the intercession, just like Aaron the priest was in here. See how I had, see how particular I had to be. Now I want to tell you about one here. Now look I told you that nobody can draw these charts actually like they should be. Now you want to blame me when you see that, even them that wrote the script there in Hebrews. You wanna blame me now. They left it out. If you don't think it belongs there where I put it at. You want to read it in Exodus over there if you do, you got your book. Get it. Now there's a whole lotta arguments. You better wake up. About water baptism, mode, methods and what not. How are you Jimmy? He's fine he said. Now look over here in I Tim. 2 and 5. Show you how you get tricked. Now I showed you about that, about that altar of incense. Does anybody got that verse in the 25th chapter of Exodus? About how they hang veil there and where the altar belongs. It's up here but I don't want to put the veils on it. It's just too hard to see. But it is in the 25th chapter of Exodus. It tells you how, what's there, what to put up there and all like that, and then hang up the veils.
Student Body: 23rd verse
Dr. Kinley: That whole 25th chapter is dedicated to the erection and structure of that tabernacle.
Student Body: That's right. The 23rd verse.
Dr. Kinley: Well, read.
Reader: Thou shalt also make a table of shittim wood. Two cubits shall be the length thereof and...
Dr. Kinley: That's the table of shewbread.
Reader: and a cubit the breath thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof. Thou shall overlay it with pure gold and...
Dr. Kinley: Overlay it with pure gold
Reader: And make there to a crown of gold round the bottom
Dr. Kinley: And make there to a crown of gold there about.
Reader: thou shall make unto it a border of a hands breath round about and thou shall make a golden crown for a border thereof round about.
Dr. Kinley: I'm after the altar of incense now.
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Reader: Altar of Incense
Dr. Kinley: Yes.
Reader: Yes, you get that in 28.
Dr. Kinley: I'm not gonna move. I ain't gonna do nothing.
Reader: the 40th chapter and the 5th verse
Dr. Kinley: Well read it.
Reader: The 40th chapter of Exodus the 5th verse. And thou shalt make, set the altar of gold for the incense before the ark of the testimony and the hangings and the hangings of the door to the tabernacle.
Dr. Kinley: I ain't, I ain't gonna move till I get some satisfaction. So you might as well find it we gonna dismiss right on this number?
Reader: Thou shalt make an altar to burn incense upon of shittim wood shalt thou make. it. A cubit shall be the length there of and a cubit the breath there of. Foursquare shall it be. And 2 cubits shall be the height thereof. The horns there of shall be of the same. And thou shall overlay it with pure gold. The top there of and the sides thereof round about. And the horns thereof. Thou shall make unto it a crown of gold round about. And two golden rings shall thou make to it under the crown of it by the two corners thereof.
Dr. Kinley: Now I'm not trying to find out about the structure already. What I'm trying to find out where they put it at.
Reader: And thou shalt put it before the veil, that it is by the ark of the testimony.
Dr. Kinley: That it is by the ark of the Testimony. That's right here.
Reader: before the Mercy seat.
Dr. Kinley: Then there is the veil. Understand? Now I'm just dogmatic and particular. Even with your breathing. With your breathing, within the confines of your mind. Everything. Tell you when a child is supposed to be born. When he's supposed to die. Take it when those patriarchs are supposed to come in, when they're supposed to die. You say, Adam lived 930 years and he died. Is that right?
Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: Then I'd ask you why. 'You meddling in God's business.' Adam, Noah lived 950 years and he died. Get the point? Methuselah lived 969 years and he died. You have to tell me why they come in at that time and why they went out you, I don't have no foolishness. Now if you were smart enough to catch it. I
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have already stated, there can't, nobody tell you what the purpose of God is but God himself. Then if you're wise enough to see it you ought to see that I'm telling you that unless God be in me I can't tell you how all these things are. And last Friday night I felt like taking off through this building when that child set there and told me that. Here's 35 years gone on over my head and you're my witness, that I told you about earthquakes, people setting right looking me in the face, been healed of all kind of diseases. Listen you don't know nobody. And you never seen nobody that said they saw somebody that have did the things that I have done. Get it? You got to resort to Messiah and the apostles themselves. Now if I tell you there'll be an earthquake at a certain time. You can say, 'well listen Jehovah's Witness or Roman Catholics,' or listen, man, don't you get what I'm talking about? I don't care nothing about that. Now if there's an earthquake when I tell you Bishop and that's in the future and it happens on the day and hour I said... Been doing that for 35 years, not just an earthquake but all the history of the world. And you're too dumb, you too ignorant set right up there look at it and listen at it and read it in the paper and see it on the screen. Then turn around and too stupid and you can't see what it is in here, cause I got this black mask on. You see the point? You don't go by that, you know there's black birds and red birds and all kinds of birds, and all kinds of colors out there. You don't pay no attention to that. You got in the orthinological (ornithological?) kingdom the same thing that you got in the anthropological. And the same fella made the black bird that made the red one, and the blue jay. Do you see the point? God is behind this whole universe operating. Now if I understand their function and their operation I can tell you any time I want to what's in the future. Somebody say, 'well, I don't believe that, you know we teach over yonder so and so on.' Just keep your seat and sit tight. That's all you have to do and then if it don't come just like I tell you, don't come back here no more. Go somewhere else. Now just like the Seven Day Adventists. Now the Seven Day Adventist said, listen. They started up here in 457 B.C. And they said this 2300 days was a part of this. And so they, they looked for Christ to come back. They seen Him go, they read there in Acts of the Apostles about Him ascending on a cloud and they looked for to come Him in 1844. And when He didn't come in 1844. And even got it up there in the congressional records. And they even showed it Him showed somebody in a freezer, refrigerator, sitting in there all drawed up. Criticizing it. Well, then the next thing you know the woman that wrote it and they was going around beating people to death, even went and made, do away with all, all their property and everything, furniture and everything. Just showing. You couldn't tell 'em nothing. Then when He didn't show up in 1844, they got the attitude, 'well we made a mistake.' Well, the said, you just might as well admit it. And then after seen they were wrong, there was nothing else they could do but admit. Then look, they, this is what they done then. Now, let me show you what, I wanna show you what's happened. You see, you see this, this sanctuary. See how the High Priest burned incense and light the golden candlestick at 3 o'clock in the afternoon and ____ the table of shewbread, the hour of prayer and what not. Well now they say that He was in here, when He ascended, He ascended in here in 1844. And they expect, they thought that He had come in here in 1844, into the Most Holy Place. I mean when He ascended, they thought He ascended into the Most Holy Place and that He would be coming back to earth. Are you following me? They thought when He ascended He went right on up in here and set down there on the throne. And that
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He would be coming back in the earth plane in 1844. Now when He didn't come back from there. Then they changed the thing and said, 'no, said He was here and He just entered in here in 1844.' And they still got a bunch of clowns and idiots sitting out there reading it. Right today. That He was just entering in; in other words after they made their mistake and seen He didn't come, then they still got a bunch of idiots setting up there thinking it. That there right now that He just entered in 1844 and you can't tell no more now then before they made the mistake. They wouldn't come here and sit down to class, no, no, they wanna come down here and tell, 'listen to me for a minute?' Why the hell don't you go sit down. Get it. And the last mess they made is worse than the first. Because He's entering in on to heaven itself, (there in the 8th chapter) and sit down at the right hand of God. So say all of the apostles. The right hand of God. Now they tell me He just went in there in 1844. Now that's bad ain't it? Alright, now here come some more of them clowns and them satanic spirits, now that's bad wouldn't you say that was bad? Now here come Jehovah's Witnesses. Bold, stark, brave. They said the Seventh Day Adventists is wrong and we're right. That Christ come, listen, that Christ come. The Seventh Day Adventists now they admitted that they expected Him to come and He didn't come, and He was going when they thought He was coming. And so now He didn't come. So they said He was just going when was mistaken about it. Now here come Jehovah's Witnesses. It's stupid enough to say that He come in 1914. Doc would you mind getting that on the board for me; Dr. Harris. And they're wrong too. You can't tell 'em nothing. Look, let me tell you something. Now wouldn't it be bad, just wouldn't it be bad for somebody that's got the nerve. There wasn't nobody else but the devil beating, have that much nerve to stand up in your face to tell you Christ come in 1914. And all this mess going on that's going on in the world at the time 1914. And set up His kingdom in 1914, Listen, let me tell you something. Are you listening? You want one of them real genuine deep ones. He never come the first time and never left the second time. He's always been here. This coming and going and up and down and running around exploring things. Its people that don't understand it. When He set down there talking to Nicodemus, said, no man ascended up into heaven. Somebody said, 'well Enoch was translated and he appeared up there. Elijah ascended.' Look I can read a Bible. What's a matter with you? In a chariot of fire. And the Messiah was born there, and out there and admitted. No man ascended up to heaven save the son of man, (read the third chapter of John and see if it ain't there), save Son of Man. Now if you want to say that Enoch was translated and went on in heaven itself and Elijah went on into heaven and through his mantle back on to Elijah. And here the Messiah said, 'I ain't seen nothing of him.' Seen no man. Read it. Read it out of the book.
Reader: There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. The same came to Yahshua by night and said unto Him, Rabbi, we know that thou are a teacher come from Elohim. But no man can do these miracles as thou doest except Elohim be with Him. Yahshua answered and said unto him. Verily, verily I say unto thee except a man be born from above he can not see the kingdom of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: You sitting out there, remember what I told you about a carnal mind. You see that's what Jehovah's Witness, the Seven Day Adventists and all the rest
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of those cliques got. Church of Christ, your church doc, and my church, Church of God. The Roman Catholics, carnal minds. There ain't no way in the world to figure it out. They don't understand this deep mysterious thing. They don't know nothing about where heaven or hell is. You stand out here talking about transubstantiation. Say, 'Jesus said for us to do this.' Now that's not even in the almanac. Is it Bishop?
Bishop Short: Um, Um.
Dr. Kinley: Somebody said, 'what you doing there?' Said, 'washing feet.' 'Well who said so.' 'Well Jesus.' 'Where you find that?' 'Thirteenth chapter of St. John. 'Ain't none of that in no almanac. Read around in the Bible said Jesus said. I never got so sick and tired about Jesus said in my life. Every time you see anybody they talking about what Jesus said. Yes sir, sick and tired of it. And then you jump right up and you got Paul disputing with Jesus. You got there in the 7th chapter of Matthew in what you call the beatitudes. That's what you read where Jesus said, judge not for fear you may be judged. 'You know Jesus said that.' And then you turn right over there in the 6th chapter of I Corinthians, Paul said, 'dare any of you had a matter against another take him before the law of the unjust and not before the saints. Don't you know the saints shall judge the world.' You get the point? Then he said there in the 2nd chapter of I Corinthians, said, 'he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.' 'I'm spiritual, so I won't wash feet, I'm spiritual, I won't eat no Lord Suppers.' 'Why?' 'I'm fasting.' He told them when they was trying to cast out the devil, said, when He come down off the mount, and He had sent them out, and they been out there casting out devils and now they come on back. And they said just as Moses and them found them down there worshipping this golden calf. Well He's got to fulfill. When He come down the mountain there they were down there, they been having a fit down there. And they been working with Him. And so now they didn't have no effect with that one. So they wanted to know now why couldn't we do this. He said this power come by fasting and prayer. While He was with them under the law, they ate, ate all them pass..., all them feasts they was eating. They ate the feast of the passover every year. Just eating and all. Eating down without washing their hands. And then here it is comes up come the elders, say, 'what you eat.' Say, 'look here, would you tell me why it is that your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders, they're eating without washing their hands.' He said, 'well, I got one for you. Why does your elders transgress the commandments of God by their traditions? Answer me that.' Now when you wash, there's washing under the law. There was eating bread under the law and keeping them feasts. Well, now here He is with them, He's the one that's smitten 'em with the disease, but they didn't recognize it. They wasn't gonna catch no disease that He couldn't. That's what He's doing. Healing the folks. They wasn't gonna pick, contract no bacterial contamination by some of them diseases and affliction by not washing their hands. Wasn't scared. Why? Because they got the Healer right with them. But now, He's healing everybody else of all their afflictions and everything that Yahweh had afflicted 'em with because of their disobedience. And He's walking around, the Healer's walking right around here and they come to Him, it was proved to them that He was Yahweh in a physical body. That's why He healed them all kinds of things. Healed everybody of all kinds of diseases. And bacterial contamination by
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not washing, didn't mean a thing to Him. And there's His disciples out there just eating, they don't have to worry about catching no diseases. And all the feasts and all, they just attending them and just eating. But He was the bread come down. Now this power comes by fasting and prayer. Now we're eating none of the carnal ordinances. We're not under the law. We're fasting, abstaining from all of them things, the natural, and we're in the spiritual now. In other words we're fasting. Now here's some idiot out there celebrating them things. Bible said that Jesus said, just asleep and blind as he can be, don't realize that all them things are fulfilled and nailed to the cross. Somebody setting up somewhere. 'What are you doing setting like that, doc.' I got a little message today from a fella who called me on the phone and told me about some fella who's been around the place. Now he's keeping the Sabbath day. He can't get a job there. So he's sitting up there keeping the Sabbath Day. Well say, listen, didn't you know that people in Los Angeles that work five days a week in the first place and because they don't work on... Dr. Harris don't work on Saturday, do you?
Dr. Harris: No.
Dr. Kinley: Are you keeping the sabbath?
Dr. Harris: No.
Dr. Kinley: Sitting up there. Now here's the Messiah laying out there in Joseph's new tomb. As it is, sun went down on a Friday. Saturday is the Sabbath. And there He is laying out there in Joseph's new tomb, never winked an eye, never batted a, never even breathed. You talk about temporary suspended animation. He's got that bested: He never even breathed, no pulse, no nothing else, and besides that, a big hole punched in His side, and nail prints in His feet, never budged or nothing. Now you talk about resting. There He is laid to rest. Wasn't He? He ain't moving in there. And very early in the morning as it begin to dawn toward the first day of the week. None of the folks never believed that. They didn't see it going out of style there. And you haven't had no Sabbath yet. It's just a shadow of that which is to come. When we get through these, these years. And look let me tell you about this one. Are you ready? You ready Wallace? Real sure you're ready. Now here you got God create the man on the sixth day. Breathed in his nostrils the breath of life. Then He caused him to take a deep sleep. And then he took that deep sleep there, same thing right here, same thing in the tomb. As the sun went down and there He lay, Adam, under that deep tranquilizer. You talk about a tranquilizer, under the influence of the Spirit. Here you got it right here. He's immersed, talking about water baptism. ____ ____ ____ . He was totally consummated. ____ ____ ____. He hasn't committed no sin. He took that woman and then that, He's going right toward the Sabbath Day. Now in the morning. I told you there was two operations on that day. Now the next day it's a Sabbath. I'm showing you here, 6th day here. Now this another operation on that 6th day. Now this is that double operation there on the 6th day. And a double operation here on the 3rd day. Now watch, I told you, I got another one. Now took that rib and that womb and made, that formed that woman and there he was, Adam with that ____. Now when Messiah ...
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California before he leaves for Springfield, Ohio
Recorded by Dr. Carl F Gross on reel to reel recorder
Transferred to audio cassette by Greg Prestis
3 90 minute audio cassette tapes
CATALOG #: 66.0509
Transcribed by Susan Whitney and Sandra Giragosian
Proofread by Susan Ameigh, Michael Rothstein, and Geraldine Rothstein
Proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Moderator: I would like to present at this time the Founder and Dean of the school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley. Dr. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Greetings in the bonds of peace. I'm indeed happy and glad to be with you, and to talk with you about the great God of this stellar and ecclesiastical universe. God is real. I certainly did enjoy the message of both of the previous speakers. And if you noticed, they tried to get right at the core. And I don't think that either one had any mind, when they come come up here to have something to say and testify on behalf of the things of God, I don't think that either one of them thought that they were so cute, that they was interested in somebody seeing them. And I certainly hadn't thought that. But I do want you to be conscious. I want you to fully realize not only just this morning, but for the duration that God is life. He has never been dead. He has been real.
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And I realize too, that out in the world, all over the world, people are questioning about God, and the philosophies and doctrines that they have been taught. And I, if my memory serves me right, I told you Friday night that the statistics and records show that there is 66 million people out of the 195 million people that inhabits the United State of America, that includes both Protestants and Catholics. But there are 66 million that don't belong to no church whatsoever. That is not because they do not believe in God, but it is because they don't believe in the foolishness that this present latter day ministry is teaching.
Now then, to speak of those that do belong to some church. The statistics and records show this. That for this reason, alone and only, for sociological reasons, for character references, and for business reasons, many of 'em belong to church. And, from the pulpit to the door, or the preacher himself, to say nothing about the congregation, he, himself, don't believe.
Now, it is a sad situation, it's a sad condition, universally so and collectively so. The world was in the greatest chaos now so far as the confirmed knowledge of God is concerned, than it has ever been in the history of the world. And I want to say from Pentecost on down, when we were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, God has sought such to worship Him in spirit and in truth.
Men knew not the truth. Therefore, they've resorted to ritualistic performances and so on. That is where the world stands today, steeped in tradition, steeped in idolatry and ignorance. I said superstition, customs, ideologies, and opinions, depending upon those who have went to some school and tried to obtain a sufficient amount of knowledge of how it is done to operate what we might describe now as a church, or an organized religious following. And they're tutored there in the ritualistic performance. Now, if you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm, I'm, I mean it this way: how to get up and have a prayer and dedicate the service, have somebody to read the book, sing a few songs, take the text, preach a few minutes from that, or talk a few minutes from that, pass the collection box around, and how to get the money out of the people. Now, that's the ritualistic performances that I'm talking about.
Now, they're, they're tutored in that, to such an extent, that they expect to be a success. Talk about God and, as one speaker said before me, don't have much to say about the Devil. Course there's reasons for that. And now, they've got around to the place where they question even that that they have taught. And there's articles in the papers, and discussions in the columns, at the highest phases of academic philosophical training. Question: Is God dead? Now, if you even thought a thing like that, it would be, this is, this is where, this is where it would come from. That you knew nothing whatsoever about God in the first place for a question like that to come up in your mind.
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Now, we have told you from time to time that this is a school, not a church. And yet, when you take the meaning of the word church, define it, it means congregation and assembly, it's a collective body of people. I didn't say building either, so don't misunderstand. Now, that is the correct meaning of it. This is a congregation of people, but we don't operate on scale where you come up and join this thing, get your name on the book, and then you'll live by the rules and regulations of this particular sect, cult, creed, or denomination. Now we don't operate like that. And that's what we mean when we say that this is a school. Now, we don't tolerate or advocate segregation, discrimination. We don't tolerate it, we don't advocate it. Now, we don't care nothing whatsoever about where you come from, your family tree and your background, your nationality. We are not concerned about civil rights. What we are concerned about is the Devil depriving you of your divine rights.
Student Body: All right! Okay.
Dr. Kinley: Now, it's prohibited; in other words, it is censored for us to expose the Devil. They don't want you to do that, because, if you do, then what you're more than likely to do is to tell on yourself. Nobody wants to be told on. And we think, being carnal, ignorant, superstitious, full of customs and traditions which we have been taught, that we can get away with something, we can hide behind something. We don't want to be covered up, I mean we don't want to be uncovered. Now, that just means this: that you are unconscious of God, nothing is hid from His sight.
The real truth about it is, few people even know themselves. Now, when I say know themselves: I remember that President Theo... Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, wrote a book, that when a man comes to himself, when you come to know yourself... Now, I'm after an analysis, now.
You will find out that this physical body that you have here, we'll call that matter, for the sake of trying to convey something definite and something positive to you. This physical body, or this material body, which you have, (are you listening?) it come from spirit. Now, that's where this physical body come from originally. Now, if this body come from spirit (listen) and God is spirit. Now, for you to know yourself and to realize yourself, the source from whence this physical body which you have, actually have, was rather, the source of its derivative, then you can kinda come down to look and understand something about what matter is. Now, that's just one part of it.
Now, there's two other parts. Your intellectual capacities, your knowledge, and your wisdom, your understanding, your disposition, your attributes, your conduct, your behavior, your attitude, your disposition forms your soul. I'll try to help you to understand it. Now, as Dr. Billy said a while ago, Yahweh or God, is spirit. Spirit is invisible. It is the source. It is the substance. It is the limits. It is the bounds.
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Now, let me hang on to something here for a minute. Now, if spirit is the substance, then it's got to be something. Now, Yahweh is spirit, that means this. If He is the source... I might put it in more simplified terms, as some of 'em have asked me, tried to tie me up because they thought I was dean of the school. Said, 'let me ask you, where did God come from?' Now, what they expected me to say, as one of the prophets, they call 'em minor prophets, said God came forth from Tiran. Now, Tiran is a city. Now, he's expecting me to give him a Bible answer, and say that God came from Tiran, but he didn't understand what the prophet was talking about. Now, you can't get God in Tiran. Tiran is not big enough to hold Him. He is universal in scope. There is no place where He is not. And, if you understood my words, I said He was the Source from whence everything else emanated and come from. And in trying to employ plain words so that you can see, now we say that man is the offspring. That's 17th chapter of Acts of the Apostles. Paul is preaching to the Greeks. He said, even as one of your own poets also said, that we are the offspring from God:1 that means that we come from God.
I'd like to help that out some too, to be better understood. Now, what he was talking about there is, that this physical body which you have, the source from whence it came from was pure spirit. Pure spirit in inconceivable. It's just like you can't see the wind or nothing like that. Get the point? Now, that's pure spirit, incomprehensible, anything you can't see. You don't know that it is there. Anything that you can't taste, touch, feel, or smell. That's the inadequacy of your five senses. You don't know that it is there. That does not spell that God is absent. Now, I said you come from that, that is this body come from that.
Now, I said all that I have already said in order to say this: We come from and abide within, for it is in Him that we live, we move, we have our being. Now, if matter come from spirit, as Dr. Billy said, if matter come from spirit, that was the source from whence it came, that is, then that is the final destiny of which it shall return.
Now, I haven't got to my text, but I, I'm getting down to it. That's the preliminary. That's a preliminary.
Now, I want you to understand, I want you to know that there is no, no, no possibility of hiding, which some of us have thought. And as Solomon said, (are you listening?) said, the wicked fleeth when no man pursueth.2 Just running hisself to death, just darting in between buildings and around trees and things, just, just running. Said, 'What are you running for? What happened?' Said, 'I'm just frightened.' 'Frightened about what?' 'Well, that fella there.' 'There ain't nobody after you.' That's your old carnal conscience that you're trying to get away from. You can't outrun it. It is where you are now, and where you shall proceed from here to there, it will be there with you when you arrive. Talking about philosophy. Now, that is it.
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Now where the trouble is is up here. You remember, God told Adam when He put him in the Garden, said, 'Now, you can eat of all the fruit of the trees in the Garden of Eden, except the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.' God told him that. To cut a long story up and make it real short, the Devil deceived his wife Eve, and she partaken of the fruit and gave it to her husband. And no sooner than he ate, he cut out to the bushes to hide. Said he heard His voice walking in the Garden, and he cut out to the bushes, the fig tree, begin to build leaves and what not, and he said, 'I hid myself.' Well, he wasn't hid. Say, 'what are you filling the fig leaves for?' Said, 'Because I'm naked.' 'Why, who told you you was naked?' Wasn't anybody around there to tell him anything like that but Eve, and she never said nothing about it. You get the point?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, I'm trying to tell you this: that all of that trouble you're having is right up here. And you're escaping to someplace where you think it's better or you might get along better, and all like that. You might get by better. You have, you have to start up in here. And you quit running yourself to death, trying to hide, become conscious that you're not hid, and all things are naked before Him.3 That's the reason why John said, on the Isle of Patmos. 'Watch, lest you walk naked, and they see your shame.' They who? Every man that has the Holy Spirit, he sees your shame and you're just naked before God.
Now, people are squabbling and quarreling every which way. Don't want this church to take their members. They call that proselyting. They want to keep you in their church. Now, I haven't been to any body's church proselyting. And if there's somewhere where you wanna go, go right ahead. Join anything you want to, you're free. I don't have no church. I am not trying to build no church. Folks don't believe me about that.
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To bring you to the consciousness, and to the realization of what it is really all about. Now, these brethren, there's somewhere about 14 or 15 or more. And we hope to have some more, and women too. We hope to have more ministers to preach and to teach the true word of God. Now, listen. We have tried to drive them out there in your church. We've asked them to please go to some church. And we had school many years at 1:30. And the reason why we had school at 1:30, at the 11:00 o'clock service we wanted you to go to some church. We didn't care where it was. Roman Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterians, Camelite (Carmelite?), Dunkard, or your church. We got it covered? We gave 'em an opportunity to go.
Now, if you can get 'em in your church... I wouldn't go with them. Now, if you can get 'em in your church, it's all right with me. And the reason why I didn't go along with them, was because I wanted them out there to know that I didn't have to go along with them and keep them chained to me, or to watch over them or see
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that they didn't get into nothing. I've, I've never had to worry with that. Now, they say they want association. They say they want cooperation. They say they want affiliation. They say that they are striving for unity. They say that they're striving to build up the righteous people of the earth. Now, they have begin to unite every which way. The Devil has got shamed now, or so many little factions every which a way. So now, all of these different types of Methodists, now they're trying to narrow that down. All these different types of Baptists, they're trying to get that into one Baptist, so it won't look so bad. Now, they say the Roman Catholic Church, that is a unit (unity?). Everybody belongs to the Roman Catholic Church. And I'll have you to know, even though they're setting right out there together, they're split right down the middle. Now, I'm, I'm just about up to my text now, just about up to my text now.
Well now, the reason why that you can't do nothing with these people that come to this school. Now here's the reason why, is because these people are taught something. They're taught the reality of God. And these preachers, we've had a lot of them up here. We don't take them in. We let any preacher from the Roman Catholic, they don't need to say that, 'Well, we can't go down there because we're Roman...' Come right down here, any preacher, even the skeptics, the atheists, the agnostics, and the infidels. Say listen, this is the place for 'em. We let 'em come down here. We went over there, and we let them come down here.
And everyone that has ever got into this book. The priest: 'Well, that's not sacred, that's, that's holy philosophy, man.' Well, there wasn't anything wrong with this in the first place. Where the trouble is within you. Get the point? You got the wrong idea of what the church is. Said, 'Well, this holy consecrated spot, do you mean to tell me that you let some man that don't believe in God get up there?' Yeah. Let you get up here didn't we? And you didn't believe in God til you come here. Nobody excluded. But now, when he gets up there, he has to defend himself. Now, he either exposes that he don't know or that he does. It's just like getting in the ring, pugilism.4 As I said here, last Sunday I believe, there's no need of standing out, out there in the street somewhere, 'Hey! I'm the champion of the world! Hey! Hey, everybody, you folks. Hey, look, here's me! I'm the champion of the world!' No, don't do that. Don't stand outside of the arena. Come on into the arena, and after you get in the arena, get in the ring! Won't take long to find out who's champ. Won't be many rounds before you can see for yourself who the champion is.
Well, now, that brings me down, as I said, to my text. I'll have Dr. Gates to read, 2nd Corinthians, the 3rd chapter of 2nd Corinthians. Starts like this: the Apostle Paul says, 'do we begin again to commend ourselves, or need we, as some others.' Now, let, let me tell you what he's talking about, cause oftentimes people read the Bible, and they don't understand what they're reading about.
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4 Pugilism: the skill or practice of fighting with the fists; boxing. (The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. 1970.)
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Now, Corinthians are Grecians. Now, the Grecians have a historical background and record of being the greatest philosophers in the world. They spent their time searching into and delving into the mysteries and the whatnots, and they was always looking for some new concept, some new ideology, some new opinion. And, when Paul passed through Mars Hill in Athens, Greece, he seen an inscription there, just like you see all everywhere now.5
Just in case you don't understand what I'm talking about now, I'll fix it so you can. When you go home from here, you look at the inscriptions on these buildings. One will say the Church of God, put that down. Another down here says, now you can't get a charter in that name, cause they got that name sewed up. Over here, another one will have Church of God in Christ. Now, that's inscriptions, shingles hanging out, buildings. You go on down, now I said Church of God in Christ. Go on down a little further and you'll find the Church of Christ in God. Go on down a little further and you'll find another one: Church of God in Christ and Saint of the Latter Days. Now, what they're trying to do, all of 'em trying to get some kind of a physical name. Pick one that's not taken, just like them Athenians was. Then you go on down here to another one and you see Baptist, St. John's Baptist. Go again, and you see St. Luke's. You're on to something. Go on down yonder, and you'll see St. Matthew something. Go on down a little further, and you'll see the AME, that's African Methodist Episcopal. Now, that's faith. Go on down here a little further, and you'll see CME, that's the Central Methodist Episcopal. This African Methodist Episcopal, that's Negro. And down at CME, those are the white people. Go on down a little further, and you'll find the Seventh Day Adventist. Go on down a little further. Now you look, you look on your way home, because I'm trying to fix it so you can understand it. You go on down a little further, you'll find Baptist and, for the most part, somebody done even hand you literature for Jehovah's Witness. And, you'll find Kingdom Hall down there. Is that right? You see what I'm talking about?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Go on down a little further, and you'll find St. Mary's Catholic Church. Go on down somewhere else, you'll find St. Peter's Catholic Church. Now, have I got, kinda exposed you to what I'm talking about? Then you check your paper, the Saturday's paper, and you look in there. And you'll find up there, headlines on it that, 'go to the church of your choice, anyone of them you choose, tomorrow.'
They done jumped on Billy Graham now for not designating something definite. Now when he goes into a town, Billy Graham's gonna be here. Now, he wants from everything but the Roman Catholic Church, he wants everything that's by name outside the Roman Catholic Church. And they'll welcome him as far as they're concerned. And every one of the pastors of all them churches take their congregations over to Billy Graham. There won't be no meeting at their church, gone with Billy Graham. Now, he's preaching that you accept Christ, and then join the church of your choice. And the mood is already there. And they want, what
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they're concerned about is how many out of them thousands of people do they get to go into my church and his church, and the other fella's church, build up their congregations. That's why they all cooperate with Billy Graham. Now, Billy Graham is very careful about stepping on Baptists feet, very careful about stepping on, he can't step on a lot of feet there. Get the point? Because all of them are supposed to cooperating, all of 'em. Get some momentum to build up their church, so they can rob you of some more of your money. I just tell the thing flat just like it is.
Now, that, them inscriptions, Paul said, 'as I passed by,' said, 'I beheld your devotions.' He saw some of Zoroaster, Epicurians, the Buddhists. Now that's what he seen: inscriptions. He saw one Sabine. He saw one of this, and another one of that. And finally they just run out of gas. So then, they put up one out there 'to the unknown God.' Now, that was coming first. And he said, I beheld your superstitions as I passed by. I looked at what you done as I passed by. Now, this is the great apostle. He seen some of 'em down there.
You let me alone, I'll preach when I get ready.
Seen some of there setting down, ____ ____ he seen some ____ ____, and he seen those that passed by, bowing, stooping to 'em, certain signs and marks, they had, ____, other symbols I'm not gonna show you. Now, he said, 'now, I seen you carrying on like that.'
Now if you still don't understand, you go out here to the Roman Catholic Church, just, just hang around, stand out there and just, just lean up against it, just stand out there. Don't bother nobody, never mind about the sociological thing, you're looking for something. Just stand out there on that corner. And as the cars pass by, and as the people walk by on the street: that church, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, statues setting out there. Now, I'm in, I'm in L.A., not talking about Mars Hill. I'm telling you what to do on your way home. Go on down in here, and you'll find down in there, back over towards Washington, down there around Dewey's house. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) There's about eight or nine churches, right in one square down there. One of 'em got the Holy Ghost. Holy Ghost ____. Well now, if you fail to get the Holy Ghost here, don't go on by. Now, somebody say, 'That's awful bad Dewey, running down in your neighborhood.' Well, if you don't like that, go over here on this corner. Got Holy Ghost station over there. You can't miss. They're holier than thou.
Now, what I'm talking about, and the reason why I'm talking to you like this, is because
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we want you to have a profound knowledge of God. Cut out that ignorance, that
superstition, that tradition, and those customs, and those ideologies, and those opinions, because you within your ownself, in your own condemned conscience is what I'm talking about. And, unless you have the Holy Spirit in you, and listen, the Holy Spirit don't have no whole lot of tomfoolery like that. It doesn't
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make you behave unseemly. And listen, I don't care what kind of Holy Ghost you got, you just remember that somebody else has got some of the same kind of the same brand that you got. Get the point? Now, be that good or bad, as you fix it, you don't have no chance to be no outstanding, so you just might as well get settled down. When it comes to the reality of the Holy Ghost, somebody else has got the Holy Ghost besides you. I'm talking about the true Holy Ghost. And somebody else is faking it just like you. So either way you go.
Somebody says to me, way back yonder years ago, said, 'Listen, you stop meddling in my business, I wanna let you know that if I do go to mm ,____, I'll have plenty company.' As though that was some good justifiable reason for them to be lost. Yes, I agree with you that you'll have plenty company. And then, if you're going to the other way, you'll have plenty company, if God meant what He said when He said to Abraham that in his seed He would multiply Israel as the sands of the sea, and as of the stars of heaven, gonna have plenty company there. And, if Satan's tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven down to the earth and they were reserved to the day of judgement to be punished. If you think that you can count the third part of the stars of heaven or a multitude, then you can see that you'll have plenty of company both ways. You won't have that to worry about.
Now, let me see if I can get on into this. Do we begin again, do we start all over. Now, these are the Grecians. These are the great philosophers. Now, do we begin again to commend ourselves to you or is it necessary. Read.6
Reader: Do we begin again to commend ourselves, or need we
Dr. Kinley: or need we
Reader: as some others,
Dr. Kinley: as some others,
Reader: epistles of commendation to you
Dr. Kinley: epistles of commendation to you
Reader: or letters of commendation from you
Dr. Kinley: or letters of commendation from you
Reader: Ye are our epistle,
Dr. Kinley: Now, wait a minute. I wanna get the thing straight. For we got this thing all balled up. Somebody comes along with a piece of paper; they call that license. They are recommended from somebody else, church, piece of paper. Say, 'Well, I'm from such and such and so forth and so on, my position is, is such and such a thing: D. D., that's a Doctor of Divinity.' Of course that stands for something else too: dumb dog, as we read about it here the other night. M. S.,
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that's a Master of Science. Ph. D., that's a Doctor of Philosophy. A. B., that's a Masters, Arts Masters, or Master of Arts. Now, we got our piece of paper. Now, that recommends me, that lets you know.
Now, a lotta people join churches, just like I told you, that they might have some reference, some record, character reference. Now, Paul is saying, listen, an apostle with the Holy Ghost in him to do the preaching itself. Now, if the Holy Ghost is in him to do the preaching, now, do we begin again to commend or is it necessary for me to have the piece of paper and the Holy Ghost too. All right, read on.
Reader: Ye are our epistle
Dr. Kinley: Now look, I'm fixing to leave. That's why I could tell this: ye are our epistle. You are the epistle. Wallace, you are the epistle ministered by us, the apostles. The congregation of the assembly they are the epistle ministered by us, the apostle, so you're my recommendation. You are my epistle. I've got the Holy Ghost, and I've been preaching with the Holy Ghost sent down from Heaven. You have become a recipient of it: therefore, you are my epistle. And so are the absent in body. I'm present within you. Ye are the epistle. I don't have to stand around here with no club over nobody's head. You are the epistle! Read. Written in our hearts.
Reader: Written in our hearts
Dr. Kinley: Yes!
Reader: known and read of all men.
Dr. Kinley: known and read of all men! Anybody can look at you, your conduct, and your behavior, your comprehension, and your understanding. It don't make no difference whether they got the Holy Ghost or haven't got it. They can look at you. They're reading you! They're not reading the Bible, they're reading you! Now, when you don't become, when you don't behave yourself as becometh people with the Holy Ghost in you, and they done read you. Read and known of all men.
Listen, that don't mean to act curious either. Talking about them brands now. They don't call for no curious acting. God's people are a peculiar people, but not curious, not a curious people, all stuck up and smug.
And listen, I wanna tell you something about something I heard this week. And I heard quite a lot almost all the time. And I want to tell you that's not, that's not, that's not our epistle. You would call little white lies. They're little white lies. Them, them, them's little lies that's not supposed to mean much. Little passive lies. Then when they get over a great big one, they call that a big black lie. Get the point? Now listen, our epistles don't fool with white lies. God said a liar should not tarry in His sight. I'm not gonna lie to you about nothing! Now, if I don't want you up at my house, I'm gonna tell you, 'listen, don't come up there bothering me.'
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You heard me, you ain't blind! 'I don't want to be bothered with you.' That's plain talk. And I don't have to tell the children or nobody else that I'm not at home. I don't believe in that.
You heard me standing right in the pulpit many times and say to you, the whole congregation. Now, if you wanna get drunk, don't come up to my house! You want to talk a lot of foolishness and ignorance, and talk about somebody, don't come up to my house! I don't want to be bothered with you! I'm telling you now, so I won't, so there won't be no white lies mixed up in it. I didn't tell you no white lie, and I tell you I'm not at home, I'm not busy. I'm out some place. Kinda like the insurance man went to the homes, you know how people do, to collect the insurance. He walked up and knocked on the door, and the lady looked out the window and seen him coming. She said, she told the little girl, tell him I'm not at home. Open the door and tell him that I'm not at home. And they didn't have but two rooms. In the bedroom, she just step behind the bed, saw her standing in the door talking to the insurance man. And she said, 'Well, momma told me to tell you that she's not at home.' Well, he said, 'Now, you tell your mother the next time she leaves, take her feet with her.' (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Get it now?
Now, that's the reason, now these things may sound comical but we're right down to where that ____. Do we begin again to commend ourself. Now, this is the New Covenant. This is the New Testament. This is the God in you. Now, that's what this is. All right, read. Do we begin again to commend ourselves, or need we as some others. Some of them need an awful lot of recommendation. That's the long and the short of it. We try to cover up. Now, you don't use your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness.7
Now, people look out down the street, I tell you a carnal mind and everything. I mean to tell you up front. They see somebody coming down the street smoking a cigar, and they see somebody drink a bottle of beer. They put you down. They're reading. Says, 'your morals are not right.' You get it? Now, whatever they have been taught, and the Devil has got the people doing this: striving to be holier than somebody else. Therefore, he's got now what you call the Holiness Church. Says, 'What are you preaching?' Says, 'I'm, I'll tell you the truth, that I'm, I'm preaching the holy consecrated life unto the Lord. I'm preaching holiness.' You know, over there in Hebrews it says there. Be ye holy, for I am holy. It says that over in Exodus, too. The Lord said that. And over here in Hebrews, it says, follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. Now, if you don't think that's in the Bible, I'll read to you, both statements. But I don't want to take up the time. So, that's what I'm preaching, that's what's the text.
Now, whatever they fathom out in their mind, holiness is... Some have went to far... Remember, I told you about the cigar, the glass of beer. Now, some have went so far as to take off their rings. Some have took off their neckties. You don't tell me. I'm 70 years old. I been all over this country. Trying to get holy: women, no paints, no powders, and for God's sake, don't touch your hair, don't cut that.
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Says, 'Well, now, that's what I'm preaching. I'm preaching...' I want to tell you that God didn't send nobody to preach nothing like that. Didn't Send nobody. Did you know that? Said, 'Well, what are you talking about?' Said, 'Look, I'll reading out of a Bible. Don't it say right here, such and such a chapter and such and such a verse, to follow peace and holiness with all men, without which no man shall see the Lord!' Yes, it says that. Said, 'Well, that's what I'm preaching.' No, that ain't where the trouble is. He don't know what he's reading. Now, you wannna know the straight of that? I'm asking. You wanna know the straight of it?
Student Body: Yes!
Dr. Kinley: Now that's the Devil carrying on like that. And nothing you do, you are gonna never get straightened out. You can strip on down to your underclothes, and if they're not the right color or something, there's something wrong with that. And he's ____ ____ ____. Your diet and your food and what you eat and drink. Watch that dietary regime. And I will warn you of the other side of that mystery of iniquity, too. Don't you use your liberty that you have in Christ for a cloak of maliciousness.
Now, you are not forbidden to partake of anything. Anything! Some got it, don't eat no pork. Some say to eat fish on Friday. All that kinda ignorance. The Devil got the people doing everything. Says, 'Well, I'm preaching holiness,' Says, 'The Bible says, this is the Holiness Church of God.' Look, I know, I was in it, just tiptoeing, trying to live right, trying with all I could to live right, straining up on it and tiptoeing, dieting, and carrying on like that, trying to, doing wrong, trying to do right! Now, listen! That, that never did save no life. And it never will.
Now, let me tell you about follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord, because it's in harmony with what we're talking about this morning. Now, the reason why Paul said that, you will find it in his epistle to the Hebrews. Now, Hebrews are Israelites. They are Jews! I'll give it to you like it is! And God poured out His Holy Spirit on the Jews, Jews first! Paul said, I'm not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth. But to the Jew first, and then to the Gentiles, the first chapter of Romans. The Jew had to go to the Gentiles and preach. Them that was out there worshipping idols and what not. And since it's God has poured out His spirit on the Jew first, and sent him to preach the Gospel, whereas prior to that time, they looked upon the Gentiles as dogs. Isolated and segregated them ____, even in the time of the Messiah. Now, when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Jew first, that's the way God had planned it! And the Jews were to carry the Gospel to the Gentile! Therefore, the Apostle Paul tells the Jew who received the Holy Ghost, had all of the Law and the prophets, and everything was given to them, and so he's telling them now, since it's the purpose and plan of God to give you the Holy Ghost to carry it to the Gentiles. Therefore, you follow peace with all men, and holiness without which, if you don't do that, then God... the Jew, give it to you first. Now, if you don't do that, won't none of the Gentiles out there hear. You see the point? You get it? Well, that's the way that it is.
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Somebody says, 'Well, that ain't the way I hear.' I know that. So, he's telling them, now since it was given to you, then you follow peace with all the Gentiles. Now, if you don't do that, and since it was given to you first, to go to them in peace, won't no man see the Lord. Now listen. When He sent them to preach, I said He didn't send them to preach Holiness. This is what He... If He didn't send them to preach Holiness, then what did He send them to preach? He said, go in all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Yahweh, and of the Son, in the flesh, Yahshua, the Messiah, and of the Holy Ghost, Elohim. Preach it to every creature, that's the Jew and the Gentile. Listen! Are you, are you listening now? You're still listening now. I wasn't done with that. I said, listen, listen. Luke puts it this way: Now, He charged them to, that's, go, listen, and that remission of sin should be preached in His name.8 Peter puts it this way: there's no other name given under Heaven whereby man can be saved, saving the name of Yahshua the Messiah.9 Now, you let his dietary regime alone. You quit telling these folks, to take off the necktie. You quit telling these people what to drink and what to eat. You don't bother with that, but if you can just get, preach him Yahshua the Messiah, and that his sins will be remitted through His name. Now, if you can get that over to him, and he can get the Holy Ghost in him, you show, you won't have to be bothered by telling him to take off this, and put on this, and do this and do that to be holy. Why? Because the Holy Ghost in him teaches him. The Holy Ghost leads and guides him, not, the church ritual.
Somebody here, 'Well, listen, I go to church to learn how to live.' That's the wrong thing. But I don't care how you do, which way you do, that somebody's dissatisfy with it. You can lay out here on your stomach, flat on your face, and pray for an hour or hour and a half, or two hours. And somebody said, 'You old fool, you oughta get up from there, you oughta know better than that.' You say, 'Well, look, didn't Paul say pray without ceasing. 'Get the point? Anything you do, somebody got something, it'll backfire. Paul said, 'if I give all of my goods, give everything I've got,' he didn't have nothing, ____ ____ ____ ____ 'give all my goods to feed the poor, and my body to be burned, cremated, and I didn't have charity, it wouldn't profit.'10 ____ ____ ____ So, you're pulling off, putting on, and all that kind of jive and stuff. ____ ____ ____ rougue (rouge?) and somebody saying, 'you don't have your rougue on straight.' They ain't saying nothing about God or the Devil. You all like these kind of sermons?
Student Body: Yes! Yes.
Dr. Kinley: If you got to come in some place, and kneel down and pray. Before you speak, sit down, or whatever it is. That's wrong. And, if you come on in, and set down first, then that's wrong. I don't care how you do, it's wrong! Here, you don't have but six cents, 'I'd give all I had. Cast your bread upon the waters for
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he that liveth with the Lord...' They'll charge you to come back.11 Says, 'The Lord blesses a cheerful giver.'12 They got the Bible on the thing. Well, I'd give all I had that's for ____ ____. And somebody right on down yonder setting right on down in the audience, you old fool, you oughta have better sense than that. You know, the Law says give 10%. Get the point? And then, when you give 10%, they'll still say that's wrong. So now, if you're gonna trigger around here and fool with the devil. And yes he's in the other fella out there knows, he don't want nothing.
But, now, here is Paul with the Holy Ghost in him. God has made a promise that in his seed that He would bless all of the families of the earth. And, He said through Jeremiah... We tried to get down to that the other night. Mickey, better read Jeremiah 31:31, cause that's what we're talking about. We're talking about that New Covenant.
Dr. Harris: Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
Dr. Kinley: Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
Dr. Harris: that I will make a new covenant
Dr. Kinley: that I will make a new covenant. Now, listen, you watch. Now, you're supposed to be reading, remember. Now, you know what I mean by reading? You're supposed to be reading me, whether it's the Holy Spirit talking or whether it's just me. Don't forget that. Now, I've given you all kinds of illustrations and demonstrations, what you wear, about your ritualistic performances. I told you all about that, wasted all this time telling you about it so you can see the thing as it is.
Now look. I have to add some more to it. I have to add some more to it. Now, you find this. There is always... Now, that's one thing that you have to give him credit for. He didn't heal. He didn't do like the fellows done over here not too long ago, not too many hours ago. He got up and he told us about Buddha, and about old Bishop So-and- So, and So-and-So. You were setting here looking at him, listening. Well, we don't care nothing about that. Well now, look, you're supposed to be reading. You're supposed to be reading me, and I'm reading you. Ye are our epistles, read and known of all men.13
You remember I told you about how you conduct the services. Remember, I told you about the shingles hanging out there in the names of the churches and all. Remember, I told you. Now in this sermon, we're gonna have the Lord's Supper. Said, 'Over in our church, we celebrate the first of every month.' I just have to name it now. Over in Jehovah's Witnesses, they don't celebrate but once a year.
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11 Ecclesiastes 11:1
12 II Corinthians 9:7
13 II Corinthians 3:2
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Now, that's what that is. Now the Catholic Church, they have mass every, every day, all the time. Now, you're supposed to be reading. All right. Then now, then we have a baptismal ceremony after that. That's part of the ritualistic performance. Baptizing in water, Lord's Suppers... They haven't got around to tell you when you're gonna be circumcised. They just skipped that. And then, we get up there and we tell you about the Ten Commandments: 'Do unto others, the Golden Rule.' Now, the Devil is pulling all that stuff off. That's in his performances. ____ ____ ____ He's got the chalice setting here, he's got the bread here. Now, I'm talking about your conscience too, I'm trying to show it to you: kneeling down on your knees and praying, get up: in the name of the Father... Am I lying, or am I telling the truth about it?
Student Body: That's right! That's the truth. Yes!
Dr. Kinley: Got the holy water. Got the pool down here in the Baptist Church. 'Anybody want to come up and give me your hand and start for the kingdom tonight? We're all prepared to go there.' Now don't overlook the fact that he's standing, too. Say, 'now, all of righteous people sit down, and the sinners stand up.' He's standing there too. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH)
Student Body: That's right, Doc. That's the truth! All right.
Dr. Kinley: That's the service in the church. Now, that's what, that's what's carried on out here in Babylon. That's what's done. Am I lying, or am I telling the truth. And I'm reading, you're reading. We pass this round in the Protestant churches, some pass the cup before they do the bread, whichever way He done first. And then they pass the bread around. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Well, it's the orders that you take. Now, look, Roger, the Devil don't know one cotton picking thing about God. He don't know nothing about God. I'm fixing... I'm gonna get down here to prove it to you. That's what I'm after. Look, I'm gonna let you read it out of the Bible!! Listen! Listen to me! God has taken special pains, hid it from the wise and the prudent, and revealed it unto babes.14 Paul said, not many wise men are called.15 Hath not God made foolishness the wisdom of the wise. And, when Paul sees what it was all about, through that vision and revelation, first thing he wanted to do, 'Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world?'16 God had made a fool out of him.
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15 I Corinthians 1:26
16 I Corinthians 1:20
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'Now, what are you talking about, Doc?' The bad thing he's doing right there in his ritualistic course, or procedure is telling on him. You're sitting there looking at him! Said, 'Didn't Jesus say for us to do this?' No!!! Not in the Bible. Somebody say, 'Well, listen, I'm gonna be a good Christian, I'm walking in the footsteps of Christ!' Why didn't you do that before He come and died the death of an outcast dog out there on Calvary? It wouldn't have been necessary for Him to die. Somebody say, 'Yes, I know. But He instituted this.' Got their finger on it. You got a Bible in your hand, haven't you?
Oh, children, I'm trying to show you something real about what the people in this school have learned. They want to know God and curse the Devil. They wanna know Him for sure. They want him to experience it within their hearts and within their own minds, and within their conscience, and they live every day, and every hour, every second, and every minute under the influence of the Holy Ghost. And they don't run out here and do something, and then run back to the preacher or somebody and confess that they did wrong. Christ was manifested to make an end of sin!! Paul said, shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin live any longer therein?17 Now all that then, ____ lost?
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Have you lost the continuity of thought? Now, ye are our epistle, read and known of all men. I'm going back over to the New Covenant where I was. Do we begin again to commend ourselves, or need we, in this dispensation, when the Messiah was nailed to the cross out there, all of them things, this, eating these suppers, all this junk you got down here with, in this water, all of that, all this spreading holy water, listen boy, that's the Devil incarnated in a body fooling you, deceiving you. Get it? Somebody said, got their finger on it, too look, put your finger on it in that book! Matthew 26:26. Somebody say, 'Well, isn't that in the New Testament?' No!!! Your trouble is you don't even know what the New Testament is. Get the point? Hold up your book there. Show 'em; show everybody. Now, I don't care what kinda Bible it is, whether it's a Roman Catholic or Protestant Bible, it's in all of them that way. That's not so!! That's not the New Testament. And then you go in Matthew. Now you got, you got what's called the New Testament, haven't you? Now, put your finger on it, in what they call the New Testament. Matthew 26: 26.
Dr. Harris: And as they were eating,
Dr. Kinley: And as they were eating,
Dr. Harris: Jesus took bread,
Dr. Kinley: Now, it don't even say there what they were eating, do they?
Student Body: No. That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: Now, if you want to know what they're eating, you have to go back up there in the 12th chapter of Exodus, to find out what they was eating. Get the point? And then listen Roger, are you, are you asleep? You wanna know where they was eating at, too. That's got something to do with it too. Devil missed the thing in its conclusiveness. He missed it hook, line, and sinker.
Now, you think that's in the New Testament. It's not. Because that's not what the New Testament is. We'll get this down here in the 3rd chapter of 2nd Corinthians. And we're gonna read it to you out of that Bible. And I want you to know that we have Roman Catholic Bibles, and we have Protestant Bibles, and we have revised versions, we have the latest one that was written, ____ ____ Bible. And I'll have you to know that the Roman Catholics and the Protestants... You heard me! You're not blind! I started this school. I should have brought some of that stuff down here and showed you. There's a credit in everything that they did at the Ecumenical Council, everything they did from start to finish.
TAPE 2 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: And they use the right name in it... for the first time, and that was copyright about when, Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: 1963.
Dr. Kinley: 1963. Out yonder where they fall out, how to entrap all men. The man wrote a letter. Dr. Harris, Doc Gross got it in the files! Got 'em locked up. And that preacher over there, how to entrap all men operates everywhere. Said that... that they wanted to come down here and challenge us, because said I didn't have no vision. Well, I'll tell you one thing he done, he went on in there and started using the names. And Littlefield alerted, from him they come over here, and you see them standing right up here.
Max I. Dumont, a Jew. You can get the books up here at any store, almost. Needer Books. Started in there and translated the name correct, Yahweh, Elohim, Yahshua the Messiah, which is correct. Well, we come right out in school down here and tell you. Now, you're supposed to be reading in the New Testament. I told you it don't make no difference what Bible you get. You'll find it just like Dr. Jackson yesterday. You got a Bible. If you don't have one, we can go home, look. Don't, don't pay no attention to what kind of book. Just look and see if they don't have that in it, New Testament (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Well, no parts of that's so.
Now, we're down here to face facts. Now, you would be doing God, or do it God's way or be lost. That's all there is to that. And look, I'll have you to know this: God ain't setting way up in the sky somewhere on a throne, just all, (DR. KINLEY PROCEEDS IN A WEEPY, WHINEY (WHINY?) VOICE) 'Ohh, ohh, I wish, I wish them people down there would repent. I tell you, I'm just so worried about it. I, I, I don't see how in the world I'm gonna accomplish My purpose, if they don't repent, I'll tell you...' Now, God ain't doing nothing like that. I wish you people would get together and work up some...' He ain't doing that. You understand now what,
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what God's attitude is about that?
He told you what was what through Moses and the Prophets, and through Messiah. Just like you learn the parables. You remember the parable that He gave, the Messiah gave. He said about Dives and Lazarus. Dives was a poor beggar. Lazarus was an extreme, Lazarus was a poor beggar. Dives was an extremely...
Student: rich man
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____ man. And it came to pass, so it seemed, and it's gonna come to pass in our case too. And it came to pass that Lazarus died, and the rich man also died. And the rich man, he lifted up his eyes in hell and he saw even Lazarus afar off in Abraham's bosom. And he wanted Lazarus to come and dip his finger in water and cool his parched tongue. Is that right? That's a parable, there.18 And he was told, 'Now Lazarus can't come to you. Neither can you go to him.' Why? 'Because there's a great gulf between you' or set. Now, in other words, there's a difference, there's a great big difference between the Dispensation of the Law and the Dispensation of Grace. There's a great big chasm and gulf between that. Abraham's bosom. Abraham believed God. Law's fulfilled and moved out of the way, Abraham's bosom. And the chasm or the gulf between, that's the difference between the Old Covenant or the Old Testament and the New Testament. And everybody was engulfed in the flames under the Old Testament. All had sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Messiah died and went to hell and preached deliverance to the captives in distress, and it is by their blood, by His blood, that they were redeemed and restored unto the Lord, and nobody else's either. Is that right?
Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: So then, now, you get, now catch the story. Said that, 'now, Lazarus, he can't come to you cause that of this gulf, to dip his finger in water and cool your parching tongue.' This is a parable. 'And you can°t go to him.' 'Well,' said, 'now, if he can't come to men then I've got five brothers back there, living. Would you mind sending Lazarus to them and tell them not to come to this place.' Where he was. 'Send Lazarus to tell my five brothers living in the world, come and tell, and tell them not to come to this place.' Get the point? And you know what it said? This is a parable. He said, 'Now, your five brother, so all five of 'em,' said, 'now, they either hear Moses and the prophets,'or in other words, you either hear Moses and the prophets or go to hell, where you are. ____ ____ ____ He's just telling him, they hear Moses and the prophets, they already have. Now, you either hear them or else to hell he goes. Get the point?
Now you either hear what God said down here, cause if you don't, you're gonna lift up your eyes. Cause what Moses had to say, he just wrote down what God said. What the prophets put down, put down what God said, of the purpose of God. Now you either hear that or else you're lost. Now then, that's the Old and the New
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Covenant. I just wanted to say that so you could see what we're talking about. Now, in Jeremiah. How's that?
Dr. Harris: Jeremiah.
Dr. Kinley: Yes.
Dr. Harris: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,19
Dr. Kinley: Now, behold the days come, saith Bishop Short.
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: ...says Henry C. Kinley.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: ...says Roger Jackson
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Why, you all are on the ministerial staff around here. Aren't you? Said Pete!
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Said Paul!
student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Where you reading?
Dr. Harris: Jeremiah 31:31.
Dr. Kinley: Said Jeremiah!
Student Body: No!!
Dr. Kinley: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD. Now the Lord said that. All right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: that I will make a new covenant
Dr. Kinley: Now look, I will, look! I will make a new covenant. Now, you keep your eyes open, and I may move fast pretty soon. cause I've got a lot of territory to cover, but I've got to make this thing plain to you. Now remember. Remember. Don't forget. Don't forget. You're supposed to be reading. I'm not talking about
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the Bible. You're supposed to be reading me, and I'm reading you. I've been reading you all week, and you've been talking to me all week, which will occur as I am gone. Now, you're whatever I preach because you are my epistle read and known of all men.20 Now, do you need any commendation, to or from, licenses or letters of epistles or epistles of recommendation or now is it the Holy Ghost speaking? Now, you see what you're up against.
Now have I been up here performing a lot of ____ works, going through a whole lot of ceremonies, and first one thing, then another, washing feet, and baptizing, and eating Lord's Suppers, and all like a that? Throwing away my cigars. And teaching you: don't touch; and don't taste. Somebody said that the Bible said that, said, 'don't touch; don't taste.' Said, 'You'll find that right there in the 2nd chapter of Colossians.'21 Listen, the Bible wasn't talking about you touching and tasting cigars, and cigarettes, and liquor. Paul was telling you, don't you touch! Don't you taste that communion, that stuff that man's got up there! You'd be a whole lot better off with a fifth, or a gallon, than you would just a little bitty touch of that.
Student Body: That's right. Amen. Right.
Dr. Kinley: Yes, you would, Roger. It makes good wine. I've been drunk, too. I ought to know. More than once, too, whole lotta times. And every time I tell the Lord to just let me get over this and I won't get on another one, then went right on back right on another one. Saith, the LORD. Now, I'll hurry. Read.
Dr. Harris: that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel,
Dr. Kinley: Now, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will, I'll do this, Bishop. That leaves me and you out. The LORD is making this New Covenant. Messiah said He was gonna build the church. There's nothing for you to do, but to believe on the LORD. That's what the book says.22
Somebody says, 'What must I do to be saved?' Said, 'Believe on the Lord Jesus.' That'll take care of it. The Devil told you, 'that's ain't, that's insufficient. You just justified that. Now, you have to get in the water to get baptized, and get sanctified.' Thus, saith the LORD, the days come saith the LORD. I didn't say it. Everybody's Bible reads this way: 'saith the LORD. I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and the house of Judah.' Now, he said, 'the house of Israel and the house of Judah.'
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20 II Corinthians 3:3
21 Colossians 2:21
22 Acts 16:30,31
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Now, I have explained enough to you about that. The reason why He had to say house of Israel and the house of Judah was because those kingdoms, after the, the reign of Solomon, those kingdoms was all under the twelve, all twelve of the tribes, was under David, the kingship of David, Saul, David, and Solomon. But after the decease of Solomon, then the kingdom was split up, ten tribes Samaria, and the other two tribes at Judea, with Jerusalem as the capital. So then, He's gonna make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
All right, read on Doctor Harris.
Dr. Harris: Not according to the covenant
Dr. Kinley: Now look, look here. You ought, least ought to have wisdom enough and intelligence enough to see that I didn't say that. Said, not according to the covenant, I'm gonna make a new testament, or a new covenant, not according to the covenant that I made with them in the days when I took them by the hand and bring, brought them out of the land of Egypt. Is that, is that what He said? Now, you're supposed to be reading. I don't mean out of the book. I mean reading what I'm trying, saying, and what's going on out here, looking at the signs and the inscriptions, as you walk through the valley and the shadow of death.
And, as Sister Winfrey said, when she was up here, that she had learned that there was a negative and a positive, a right and a wrong, a good and a bad, a god and a devil. Now, where, where are you? Which side are you on? You'll be able to see now in a few minutes. If you just hold what you got there on the line.
All right, saith the LORD, after those days. After what days? After the death, burial, and resurrection. No covenant, no testament, no will, even in your case. If your father was a millionaire, well, you don't have to be worth quite that much, but whatever he has, you could not get it until he died, could you?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: In other words, a new covenant, or the new testament, will not come of effect until after the death of the testator, not before it.23 After those days. Read.
Dr. Harris: which my covenant they brake,
Dr. Kinley: Now, which my covenant they brake,
Dr. Harris: although I was an husband unto them
Dr. Kinley: Now look. Look here. Look folks. Look up here at me. Don't you let the Devil make no idiot, no fool out of you. Now, that's what they're teaching you to do out here. Now, Israel did that back here, Bishop. Israel had these suppers, feasts of the Passovers. And I'll have you know that the Messiah did not
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institute it. It was instituted before He come in the world. Now, listen. This circumcision, that was eight days after birth. Suppers, that's the 14th. Now, Jehovah's Witnesses... I have to keep bringing these things up so you can see that we do it according to the Bible, the 14th, the 14th of April, once a year. 'Now, you know we're right!' You sitting down there, you don't know a thing, that's right, that's what ____ ____ ____.
We're not gonna do it like the Roman Catholics. We're not gonna do it like the Protestants. 'We're right,' and they're always around sticking something in under your nose. I'm having you to know now, not according to the covenant that I made with them back there with Moses, in this respect. You read it, Dr. Harris? All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: But this shall be the covenant...
Dr. Kinley: Now, but my covenant they brake. Listen! When they was eating what you're talking about there and what they're doing, when they were doing, when the Law said do this, do that, when that was in effect, they broke it. No, I didn't say that, I said God said so! Read it again, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: which my covenant they broke, or brake,
Dr. Kinley: Said, He wasn't gonna make another like that. Do you see it now?
Student Body: Yes!
Dr. Kinley: What that clown is standing up there telling you to do, that was already back down under the Dispensation of the Law. And when it was of a force and effect, they broke it. That's what God said. You got it. Now, that was the Old Testament, that was the Old Covenant, that was with the house of Israel, listen at me now, house of Israel exclusively, not the Gentiles! God ain't gonna make there another one like that.
Let me see if I can say this to you, Wallace. None of them people didn't have the Holy Ghost, but Moses. I'm telling you, they were carnal! They were natural! They were physical! Therefore, God give them carnal ordinances, physical ordinances! And every ordinance He give was physical, was natural: water baptisms, foot washings, Lord's Suppers, everything was just as natural as it could be. They broke it, so said God.
And look, folks, Messiah didn't come to institute no parts of none of that. He didn't come to institute no baptisms. He didn't come to institute no Lord's Suppers. Now if it's a lie He told it. Well, if He didn't come for that, then what did He come for? Matthew 5:17.
Dr. Harris: Think not that I am come
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Dr. Kinley: Now, you see that now? Don't think that. Don't you think that I come to destroy the Law or the Prophets.
Dr. Harris: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Dr. Kinley: I am come to fulfill! No, Doc, that, that can't be right. He don't know what He's talking about. He's come to institute. Can't you read? He come to fulfill. In other words, what you were doing, He come to get rid of it! And look, Roger, for your information, it wasn't given to you in the first place. Now, what are you doing with it in the last place? It was given to Israel, and Israel broke it. Now, God said He wasn't gonna make another covenant like that no more, cause they broke it. And it stood only in meats, and drinks, and diverse washings, and carnal ordinances.24
That Devil. That Devil. Now, here you go. No, I don't ever forget nothing on what I'm talking about. No sir, I'm just as dead on my subject as I can be. Aren't I, Bishop? He's got a little piece of paper, he asks, 'do we, do we need it.' Now, you can tell whether I need a piece of paper or a recommendation from what I'm saying to you. From what I'm saying to you that they're doing out there and I'm kicking against it, I need a piece of paper along with an institution with all these charts rolled together. And then, after I got a minute, I'm gonna settle it. Are we doing alright? Get the point? Read on.
Dr. Harris: But this shall be
Dr. Kinley: Now look, look, look, look folks, look Roger. But if God said, 'now this is gonna be it.' Now God said that. I think if God said it, it don't, ought not to make much difference about what the Devil says. Now, if God said it, now, here comes, I'll just show you the effects of it. Here comes along a fellow, God said that the day Adam eat of the fruit of that tree he shall surely die. Adam did die too. He died that day. Somebody said, 'Well, look, yeah, I know you people read the Bible. But I don't believe in the Bible. I'm an atheist. I'm volitary. I'm Thomas Paine. I don't believe in the Bible.' One day, you come along, you finally pass, and then they're preaching your funeral. He don't believe, he don't believe in God, but God said, 'you shall die.' Well now, if he don't believe in God, what's he doing dying?
You see 'em walking on out. 'Where you going?' 'Lord said because you eat this, the dust, you come from dust you go back to it. Back to the earth.' 'Where you going?' Somebody say to 'Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory.' Going to the cemetery.
'No, you don't understand! Look at me. I'm a millionaire!' I'm sorry, just as sorry bout that, but you'll have to will that to somebody else, cause the grave just six foot. Say, 'you don't understand, I got a half a dozen suits of clothes!' There ain't been one. Looking good, ain't done no good. 'What's the matter? What's the
trouble?' 'God said...' That's what's happening. Get it? Pleases Him not! That's
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it. Now, you got the full impulse of what I'm talking about? All right, read.
Dr. Harris: But this shall be the covenant
Dr. Kinley: But this... Now, this is going to be it! This shall be the covenant
Dr. Harris: that I will make with the house of Israel;
Dr. Kinley: that I will make with the house of Israel;
Dr. Harris: After those days, saith the LORD,
Dr. Kinley: After those days, saith the LORD,... You're reading out of the Bible.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Who said so?
Dr. Harris: Saith the LORD.
Dr. Kinley: All right. Then what else?
Dr. Harris: I will put my law in their
Dr. Kinley: No! No! Now, Doc, it don't don't don't read like that! Read it like this! After those days, saith the LORD, into their hearts will Matthew write!
Student Body: No! No!
Dr. Kinley: Mark write!
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Luke write!
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: John write!
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Paul write!
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Peter write!
Student Body: No!
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Dr. Kinley: Well, what are you trying to make me believe some of that tomfoolery you talking' about out there for?
Student Body: All right!
Dr. Kinley: What are you running around, sticking this thing up in my nose, and saying, 'Look here, ain't this the New Testament of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.' No, man. And who wrote it? Said, 'Well, this is the beginning of it. Matthew wrote this.' You don't know the difference between the New Covenant and the biography. Now, that goes for Roman Catholics and Protestants too, Mr. Smart Aleck. Said He's gonna write the New Testament. And He's gonna write it. Now, you watch out now, cause it's here give you troubles. I told you God hid these things from the wise and the prudent and revealed 'em unto babes.25 I told you that. Didn't I tell you that? He made a regular ass out of a so-called smart men. He said He would bring to nought the wisdom of the wise, and the scribe, and that is just exactly what He did.26 And in your reading, you can look around and see that they don't know what they're talking about. And they've got the people deceived.
Now, I told you, and I have a copy of it. I've told you that there were 66 million people in the country that didn't... 95 million that do not belong to no church. Do you remember I told you that? And I told you of them that did belong, Roman Catholics and Protestants, and including the cardinals, and the priests, the bishops, and the what haves, you name it, a lot of them don't believe what they're preaching.____ ____ You'll get around to believing me after a while. I'm fixing to go away, and you won't have to be bothered with me no more.
But, you're my epistle. And what I've written in your heart, it don't make no difference whether I'm present in the body or absent, it'll hold up, it'll last. It don't make no difference where you go, it don't make no difference where I go. It'll last. Remember, I told you I tried to push them into some other church. I tried to get them into some other church. They can't hang around here. They can't stay here. You have to be pure in heart to stay in this school. You, you have to be.
Devil comes down here once in awhile. Looks over and says, 'Gee, you got a big audience down there.' Said, 'I' Called me up on the phone and says, 'Look here,' said, 'I'd like to come down to your place and preach for you.' Guest speaker. And they worried me to death so much with that, until I just said, 'Well, Dr. Harris, you and Dewey McCoy, and Dr. Mixon here, I'm appointing you as a staff to take care of that.' So, when they called me on the phone and asked me about it. They think I'm the ____ ____ ____. I ____. They think if I said it, that, that takes care of it. I said, 'Now, you see Dr. Harris and them. Dr. Harris, and Dr. Mixon, and Dr. McCoy. Whatever they say about that, that's the way it is.'
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Well, now, here's what, here's what they're doing. One stood right here on the floor no longer than this past Friday night, I usually set right here, He stood right there in the pulpit and said. Now this is what he said to me. He said, 'my financial is kinda getting the better, the best of me, my financial means is overtaken.' Now, he's a guest speaker. He done looked over the congregation and said, 'I believe I can get you some, about a congregation about this size, there's enough idiots in here to, I ought to get me 15 or 20, or 25 to 30 dollars out of it. All I got to do is tell them something that'll tickle their ears, of course, every once in a while I'll go through some kind of a new, every once in a while. And I'll get my financial needs kinda straightened out.'
Well, well we're not that kinda idiots down here. We're, we may be fools for Christ's sake or Messiah's sake but we're not that, we're not that kinda idiots. And he had it just exactly backwards. The people that come down here, they're usually looking for something. And I never disappoint 'em. They find it. If it's some bread and meat, they find it. If it's the Holy Spirit, they find it. Yes sir, either way. But don't you come up here and try and fool somebody, cause these people are reading you. They see you, you just as naked as a jaybird in whistling time. Now, everybody who was here the other night, now you know who was up there. And they knowed it too, and this is what they said. See if you remember. Said, 'Dr. Kinley's looking at me. He's gonna get me!' Didn't that man keep on saying that. He knew that I, he knew I was gonna beat his brains out!
Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: Didn't he keep on saying that?
Student Body: Yes!
Dr. Kinley: And after the service was over I said, 'listen, brother, you come on back here! Stay here with me! I need you! You need me! I'm trying to help you.' I'm sent to preach. It don't make no difference about you being wrong! This is where you belong, if you're wrong. That's what I'm down here for, is to help you! I'm not down here to kick somebody around because they're wrong.
And I told you, I don't know how many times, I don't have nothing to boast about. I just got through telling you about, a while ago, about how, I, I didn't, I didn't tell you half the times I been drunk. I don't know myself. And a lotta other things. And in my young days, I carried a 38 blue steel pistol, and would shoot it, too. And didn't even care nothing about the cops. Get the point? Just as rough as I could be. I meant what I said, and said what I meant. And I didn't care how big you was. Ask 'em back there. You ask them. Don't ask me. I didn't care how big you was, and how heavy you was, if you's as big as brother Jones, I'd bust you in the mouth one time and... That's right. Yes sir. Now, that was just my attitude. And I heard my mother pray, said, 'Lord, if you don't do something about that boy, he's going to die with his boots on.' And I couldn't stand to hear my mother cry and pray like that. And I knew I was, was rough. And I said, 'Lord, help me over, I'll behave myself.' I never wanted her to see ____ ____. Now, that's what got me started, started to straighten me up. And I went on out and done just
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like the rest of the folks. I went on out and joined a church. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now, I'm supposed to be straighten out now.
When I tried to join the church, after, the preacher, says, I tried to get up and give my testimony that the Lord had saved me. I believed Reverend Brown, he was preaching holiness. He died here in California not long ago. That was way back in 1916. And he just died. He was real old man. He was close to 100 years old now, when he died.
Now, mamma done told me to go to church. So, I went to church. Of course, I'd been around before then, in church. I'd been in congregations all my life. So, when I got up to give my testimony, I was gonna live a clean, wholesome, consecrated, sanctified life unto the Lord. And I thanked God right in front of everybody. Conscience telling me all the time, 'You hadn't ought to be lying like that.' I'm just telling you the truth. And I was hoping that I could hold up at it, hold out. And I would ask him, 'You pray for me to help me hold out.' And you know what the preacher said. Said, 'You ought to sit down. You're not dry behind the ears yet.' Up here trying to preach. Instead of helping me, trying to encourage me.
So, I said that to say, it don't make a difference how wrong you are. This is the place. This is the place. God sent them boys out to preach, to save the world. Now, if the world was already saved, He wouldn't send nobody out. He didn't send them out to kill nobody nor murder nobody. Is that right?
Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: He didn't send them out for that. And He told them before they went that they was gonna be killed. Now, they got it all hindparts before it. Said they'll murder somebody in defense of the church. Now, Bishop, do you know what happened in the defense of the church, before they got that story twisted up like that. I'll tell you what happened in the defense of the church.
Now, I told you church meant congregation or assembly. Didn't I tell you that? Now, this is the first church, or the first congregation or assembly, I'll put it, I'll get over where you can see it really big, everybody can see it. Now, the church, the word church means congregation or assembly. Now, this is the first church, and this is the first congregation and the first assembly. That was not Roman Catholic and neither was it Protestant. Now, how am I doing now?
Now, who's speaking? No, not Pete. God was speaking to them. The introduction? I am the LORD, thy God, not Moses, that brought thee out of the land of Egypt and out of the house of bondage.27 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Now, that's the first church, that's the first congregation, that's the first assembly. That's the pastor, that's the big shot in there, God Himself, wasn't Moses. Oh, it's wonderful. Moses and God spoke back there. God spoke back there. The earth was just trembling, and Moses had brought 'em up. He said, 'I'm
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afraid, too.' And he stood there and trembled. God speaking to the, the earth just shaking. What'd you say that for, Roger? You see that man, the other night? Didn't you see him shaking and trembling like that?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You seen him, didn't you, Bish? Said, 'He's watching me.' I'm talking about God being in you. You abiding in God, him in you. And that Devil knew that, in that man. He's walking around, and all the time he's up here, he's fooling around, he's jiving around, trying to get hold of something nice to say, and all like that. And all that I tell you, 'Dr. Kinley's watching me.' Ain't that what he said?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: He's shaking. Now, he thought I was gonna jump up and get on him. I just preached the gospel. That'd take care of him. Now look, folks, you won't have to be bothered with me after today for a while, but I do want to get it over to you, so that you can see what I'm talking about. Now, if I wanted to, I could stick my finger in my ear and talk so fast you can't hardly understand, can't hardly keep up with me, and speak distinctively, too. Spy that old bat. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Said, he ought to sit and sit down long time. That's what the devil say. 'You know, Doc, I'm so well acquainted with you.' He knows that won't fly. Get it? He knows I've got my dinner to get. Well, you've been getting dinner nearly 2000 years and all, and you haven't learned nothing. He'll rip and rush right out of here and right up in the, in some drive-in studio, go home and turn the TV and watch the program that's on. TV Guide. Hang around there, and sit around there, doze off, go to sleep, wake up. You know what that is. Doctor bill came. If you pay your bills, you ain't gonna have no money to go out you know damn well. Ain't nothing out there, just stay home, cause they ain't paying you that much.
Student Body: (LAUGHTER) That's right!
Dr. Kinley: (LAUGHING) Isn't that terrible! Ain't I terrible? I almost know us. Almost know us.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make them after those days, put my Law in their hearts and their minds, will I write it, not Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Now, that takes care of this, what they call the New Testament.
Now, do we begin again to commend ourselves?28 Or is it necessary. As I heard Bishop Short say here a couple of Sundays ago, he wasn't no beginner, no novice, no child. Said he knew what was out there in the world. He wasn't no greenhorn. That's true. We've all been out there. You know, too. You know that's what they're doing out there in the world. Doing the very thing they ought not to be doing.
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Listen, let me tell you something. Now, you listen at me real good. Now, take these things home with you. Christ was not instituting Lord's Suppers. He was, or Passovers, or communions, or, I, I, I'm going to eventually get it so you know what I'm talking about. He was not doing that. Now, the reason why He ate that supper was because, as you just read over there, He said that, that He was fulfilling. Now, you're trying to tell me that He don't know what He was doing, and He's instituting instead of fulfilling.
You're trying to tell me God don't know what He's talking about, when He's over there in Jeremiah with the new covenant. He said He wasn't gonna make another one like that, where the, all them carnal ordinances, and all them people being sprayed and stuff. God said He wasn't going to do that. You're saying God don't know what He's talking about. God said I will write in your hearts.
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Dr. Kinley: You're trying to tell me Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and I'm disagreeing. You say I'm a bad fellow because I disagree. You say you're trying to build a church. I say, I ain't worrying with that, Messiah said upon this Rock He'll build it. Get over in the 2nd chapter of Acts of the Apostles, up there on the Day of Pentecost. You read there, when the Apostles preached, and the Lord added to the church daily, such as should be saved.29 I'm against everything you're doing out there. That's why I look so bad.
But you are our epistles, written in our hearts, read and known of all men.30 Here comes the 64,000 dollar... Look. Look. Look! When you take your book, your Bible I'm talking about, you got in there Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. I'm showing you how it is. Then you got Isaiah, Jeremiah. 'No, I know Kings and Chronicles, I know the history there, I know Joshua and Deuteronomy is in the Bible, did that man hear me?' Yes, I do. You won't have to say that when you go home. What I'm talking about is the Law and the Prophets, the history. All right. Now then look, you got, come on over and you got what you call the major prophets. That's wrong. Got what you call the minor prophets. That's wrong. Mitch, you ain't got much of a chance to get straightened out there, have you, cause everything, I say everything you do is wrong. Now, here's where you made your mistake on that. If it was God speaking to Jeremiah, Isaiah, Micah, and them, your major, if it was God speaking to them, they couldn't go no further than what God said. If God said a whole lot, they called Isaiah the silver-tongued prophet, because he had lots to say. He's a major. Micah, he, he, there ain't much to him. He's a short horse and needs a curb. He's a jack rabbit. Get the point? But now, I'm having you to know that God is speaking through all of these men. And, and their much saying, they couldn't say anything other than what God said to 'em. So, there's no such thing as major and minor. You get it? Don't that make horse sense? Don't it? All right. What else?
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30 II Corinthians 3:2
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Dr. Harris: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle
Dr. Kinley: Forasmuch then, as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ, written in our hearts, ministered unto us, read and known of all men. He's been reading you. That's what that clown is doing. It's just a regular three-ring circus. Now, here's a man who was with Christ or God. Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.31 Paul said to the Galatians, and, and, and even after reading it out of the Bible to them they're not convinced. Even after you read it out of the Bible. You wanna read it out of there? Look at the 3rd chapter of Galatians and see. After, after, after telling you just, just the things I been telling you. Read.
Dr. Harris: O foolish Galatians,
Dr. Kinley: Now, look, you big fools you. O foolish Galatians,
Dr. Harris: who hath bewitched you,
Dr. Kinley: Now, who fooled you? Who fooled you upon all this clowning, you carrying on around here eating Lord's Suppers and down in these holes and into pits and things there. O foolish Galatians! Galatians are Gentiles. O foolish Galatians. Foolish Galatians! Who deceived you? Read.
Dr. Harris: that ye should not obey the truth,
Dr. Kinley: that you should not obey the truth,
Dr. Harris: before whose eyes Jesus Christ was evidently set forth
Dr. Kinley: before whose eyes Jesus Christ was condemned, set forth among them, crucified. Brothers listen! Christ died to move all them carnal things! All of them things that these preachers is doing. Now, what are you doing! Now who fooled you? O foolish Galatians. Read on.
Dr. Harris: This only would I learn of you,
Dr. Kinley: Now, this, this only... A great apostle, with the Holy Ghost in him, going every which way performing miracles, and live as a ... He was raising the dead through the man. Preaching the gospel, and covered more territory than any of the rest of them, and Spoke in more tongues than the rest of them! Said now, I was disowned. I don't want to know but one thing of you. This only would I learn of you. All right. read.
Reader: Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law,
Dr. Kinley: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law,
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Reader: or by the hearing of faith?
Dr. Kinley: or by the hearing of faith? Are you listening? Even the Devil stand right up there, right in his face. And you can't read. Did you receive the spi... Look! 'Come up here, everyone of you here. Come up here. Gimme your hand. Gimme your hand. God ____ get ready to be baptized right now.' Yes, you can take this communion, ____ ____ on your plate. Now, is the way you got the Holy Ghost? Don't set up there and lie like that. Or was it by the hearing of faith. Set here listening like you, God said so and so. God said after those days into their hearts I will put my Law. And you who believed. Isn't that how you believed?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now all this performing you're doing. What you're doing, you're just showing you don't know what, you don't know nothing about what it's all about. Get the point? Received ye the Spirit by the works of the Law? This here... Look folks, listen. Now, I been trying every kind of conceivable way to just give it to you just word for word. Now look, here's what you're, here's what you're telling me. You don't believe it! You couldn't believe it to save your soul. There ain't no need for you to lying around like that. You're telling me that this is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, that's the New Testament. Then you turn right around, put your finger on it, Dr. Harris, Matthew 26:26.
Dr. Harris: And as they were eating,
Dr. Kinley: And as they were eating,
Dr. Harris: Jesus took bread,
Dr. Kinley: took bread,
Dr. Harris: and blessed it, and brake it,
Dr. Kinley: and brake it,
Dr. Harris: and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Dr. Kinley: This is my body.
Dr. Harris: And He took the cup,
Dr. Kinley: And likewise, He took the cup,
Dr. Harris: and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying Drink ye all of it;
Dr. Kinley: Uh hmm. Read.
Dr. Harris: For this is my blood of the new testament,
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Dr. Kinley: Now look. Listen here, Roger. You done, you done told me this is the New Testament, this over here. You done fell out with me cause I won't, I won't buy it. Now, you get over here and you tell me over here in Matthew that this cup is the New Testament. Then you get over there in Jeremiah 31:31 and you tell me that God said this is the New Testament. What kind of a fool do you think I am? You see the point? Something wrong somewhere. You see it? Do you see it? Now, they won't let me carry on like I'm carrying on out there in these churches. That's why we have to have the school. They put me out. Just tell it plain, clear. And some of 'ems asked me about Bishop Short staying here. 'You think he'll stay?' Yeah, he'll stay. There ain't nowhere else for him to go. He can't stay nowhere else, listen, if there ain't nowhere else for him to stay, not if he gonna preach the truth. Now, that's the truth. If he means something, there's nowhere else for him to go. If you mean something, there ain't nowhere else for you to go. There ain't nothing you can do, but just come on down here.
Now look, remember I told you that they think that this was what they said where you read at, was in the New Testament. Then you, want me, then you're telling me Matthew wrote it. Then you get over yonder, and you're telling me, God said I'll write it. Say, what kind of a idiot do you think I am? Then you think I don't know, cause you don't. As smart as you think you are, and as holy and as righteous as you think you are, you think that because you don't know, and there's no way under the sun for you to be wrong as smart as you are. Now what you're doing, you're judging me. You see the point?
Then you get up and walk out say, 'I don't want to hear no more about that Institute down there. Don't tell me nothing about that Institute. I don't wanna hear another thing about it.' What's the matter baby? Said, 'All them people down there are wrong. They are just as dead wrong...' If what you're talking about out there is right, they're just as dead wrong as they can be. We don't go along with none of them, Roman Catholics, or Pr... Now listen, I mean no parts of it!! I mean we don't take no parts of none of it. You stand up there telling me all that junk.
Then, then listen, you know better. And your old carnal conscience hurting you too. You've got a little old piece of bread there, ain't hardly enough to feed a parakeet, and a little dropper of grape juice down in your physical body. And you're telling, telling me that that elevates you in the spirit. I say you're wrong, barefaced, unnecessary liar. Won't do you no good in the spirit. Listen, Doc, it won't hardly do you no goo... It didn't have enough to do you no good in your physical body, to say nothing about the spirit. Now, God never has been that stingy and that tight. Even the bartender would give you more than that, a bigger shot than that.
Now, I'm giving it to you straight. These things might seem comical to you, but I'm just showing you why it is that the people don't nowadays that's walking the streets and don't wanna belong to none of these hellholes you call church, cause all they're doing, they're trying to sap your money out of you, get your money. You pray, pay you to say prayers, to pay somebody to pray prayers for you. Pay somebody for the pews and seats you sit in. Pay your dues. Paul said, I beseech you by the mercies of God, that you present your body a living sacrifice, holy, and
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acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.32 God wants all or nothing nobody's tenth and all. ____ ____ ____ cheap. Preacher standing around arguing about his salary. 'Well, you know, the cost of living has gone up! Oh, you all know that! Went up 10% last month, and I ain't getting but $150. I need a raise in my salary. You can't keep these lights burning, and this, that, and the other.' I thought you said your salary. Said 'Yeah! I need a raise in my salary!' When he's done singing his blues and crying the blues about his salary, then he's talking about paying off the mortgage and his debts. And you'll be done, when he's done bleeding you, got you hook, line, and sinker, pole and baid.
(DR. GROSS' REEL RECORDING ENDED AND TURNED)
Dr. Kinley: All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: Are you so foolish?33
Dr. Kinley: Now, are you so foolish?
Dr. Harris: Having begun in the Spirit,
Dr. Kinley: Now, I, I, now I don't appreciate you calling me a fool. Paul said, now, having begun in the spirit, now, who fooled you? Are you that big a fool? That's the reason why I ain't gonna get some grape juice and some crackers around here, and offer it to you like that, and tell you that's the Lord's transubstantiation into the body and blood of Christ. Just who do you, who do you think you are creating Christ? Got Him all stuffed down here in a little old... And you been drinking Him for nearly two thousand years, and you haven't got all of Him drink up yet. Somebody shoving, bringing in the oven, unleavened bread. Here's the body of Christ. ____, Now, are you... are you that big a fool? Now, where you got started... Read it again, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Are ye so foolish? having begun in the spirit
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's where you begun. Within the spirit, now here's where you begun at, as Gentiles. As those are of gentiles. When Peter went down to Cornelius's house, while Peter yet spake, the Holy Ghost fell on them! That's how they begun. Oh, yes, it did, 10th chapter of Acts of Apostles. And Peter recommended one of them things, baptize, and then Peter withdrew that, 11th chapter. Sure, he did.
Children, what I'm saying to you in so many words is this. You don't find many. you won't find many preachers in the world. Now, here's why you won't find them. Cause they can't get up and preach to you like I have been preaching to you, telling you to just be still. Now this is my story all the time. Be still. Keep the babies quiet. Be still. Please, be still, and know that I am God speaking. I'm
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talking about God speaking to you.34 That's fine. And then you perceive, you believe in me, I believe in you, it's my Father in Me, it's our Father in you. We all know one another from the least to the greatest. Ain't that what you got in that Book, so called Old Testament? God said they shall all know Me, from the least to the greatest.35 Is that right, Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: They know Me. I don't care if it's Bishop Short up here. I don't care if it's Roger up here. I don't care if it's Sister Winfrey up here. I don't care if it's Dr. Gross up here. We're all doing it. We know that it is our Father. And I don't mean Pete, and I don't mean the pope. And I don't mean the archbishops. And I'm talking about cardinals, too. But, we know that it is our Father, which not gonna be in Heaven, but which art in Heaven, speaking through, as I told you, His physical body, His physical body.
Paul said, know ye not, don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, of which temple you are. Therefore, glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are His!36 You don't have nothing. Everything belongs to God. And the prophet said, what shall I give in exchange for my soul, ten thousand rivers of oil, or lambs.37
And now, you're half enough, or idiot enough, to come up here and try to pay somebody to say some prayers for you. Well, said, 'What, didn't they say pray without ceasing.38 Pray, that prayers and intercession should be made for all people. Why, can't you read? Well then, if you can read, then read this prayer we wrote out here for you.' I'd be almost, Jones, don't you, don't you fool with me like that, you hear. Don't you come offer me no prayer somebody wrote out and hand it to me and don't you buy nothing like that either. Now, you wanna know why? For the Spirit within you, within you... When the Messiah went out there in the Garden of Gethsemane; He said, 'I'll pray the Father for you.' And He said, 'Father, I pray for these, not for these only, but for the world.'39 Is that what He said?
Now, here's what I want you to see. I want you to see that that same one who was out there in the Garden, is right down in you, making intercession for you, right in you, just like He was out there. Quickening spirit in you. Paul said, the 8th... Says, 'Where you find that at?' Said, well, you find that in the 8th chapter
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35 Jeremiah 31:34
36 I Corinthians 6:19,20
37 Micah 6:7 and Matthew 16:26
38 I Thessalonians 5:17
39 John 17:20,21
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of Romans, verse 26. Said, for we know not how to pray as we ought, and neither does no cardinal, but the Holy Spirit maketh intercession for us with groanings that cannot be uttered. The Spirit helpeth our infirmities, not the cardinal, not the priest, not Kinley, not the pastor. It's the Holy Spirit that makes intercession for us.
One time there was a fellow standing... I'll just show it to you. He said he was a Pharisee and one was a publican, one went down to the Temple to pray. Two of them went down there to pray, the Pharisee and the publican. The Pharisee, he said, 'I thank God I ain't like other folks.' Said, 'I pray, and I do this, and I do that, and I do the other.' And the publican, he wasn't so well fixed up, and so he just said, 'Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner.'40 And he went down to his house more justified than that man that all there, because he like to stand out there in his robes and regalia, pray for his much seeing. And that's the same thing these clowns are doing around here, just clowning. I do wish...
Paul said, now, o foolish Galatians, are you so foolish, having begun in the Spirit... Now, that's where you got started. The Gentiles... None of them carnal ordinances, no Lord's Suppers, none of that, was ever given to you! Now that's the way... That was fulfilled and abolished, and nailed to the cross! And seven years after that, which is down at Cornelius's house, 10th chapter of Acts of Apostles, the Holy Ghost was poured out! That's how you begun! Begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the works of the Law? Is that what he got there? Read!
Dr. Harris: Have ye suffered so many things in vain?
Dr. Kinley: Now, have you suffered so many things? All right. Read on
Dr. Harris: If it be yet in vain.
Dr. Kinley: If it be yet in vain.
Dr. Harris: He therefore that ministereth to you
Dr. Kinley: He, therefore... Listen. Do we begin again to commend ourselves? Therefore, that ministered to you, ministered to you what? The bread and the wine?
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: The wine and the bread?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: So he that ministereth to you, ministered to you what? The Spirit. That's all I'm talking to you about, Doc. I'm talking about God being in you. God's not dead: in you!! He that ministers to you the Spirit. All right, read on.
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Dr. Harris: and worketh miracles among you,
Dr. Kinley: And worketh miracles among you,
Dr. Harris: doeth he it by the works of the law,
Dr. Kinley: Now, does he do it by the works of the law? Read!
Dr. Harris: or by the hearing of faith?
Dr. Kinley: or by the hearing of faith? God said a thing, I believe it!! And I told you. Listen! I don't have nothing to boast about. You don't know nobody living on earth, cardinal, priest, pope, nobody, you don't know nobody living on this earthplane, and breathing breath, you don't know nobody dead. I think that almost took all of 'em all up, that have told you any more about God, and have performed any more miracles, than I have performed. The dead have been raised from the dead at my hands!
Student Body: Right! That's right!
Dr. Kinley: The lame have been made to walk. The blind have been, eyes that can open. You don't know nobody that did no better than that. All kinds of diseases have been healed. People take and look at me in the face. You even fool yourselves about that little round shouldered, black, nappy headed and all that stuff you were talking about. When I speak, God bless your soul, it happens! Seen what I seen. Vatican, and New Delhi, and Washington, and everywhere else. Now, I've been trying to be nice about the whole thing. Now, I've been real nice about it.
When I spoke, five hundred and fifty million said Pope John wanted to live until June the 6th! And I said he must die before June the 6th. I stood here and told you that there would be an earthquake, and what day it would be on. Now, you don't know nobody nowhere that's did no better than that! I told you when Roosevelt... I told you John F. Kennedy... No need you running up to me, trying to tell me about some bigshot! I'm as big as you make 'em!
Student Body: That's right!
Dr. Kinley: How'm I doing, Freddie?
Dr. Allen Jr.: Just fine, Doc.
Dr. Kinley: What's the difference? It's my Father in me. Henry C. don't amount to a tinker's dam. And neither do you. But if you see my Father in me, and it's my Father in you. It's in Him that we live, and we move, and we have our being41 and we know that God's purpose is written in our hearts with His Spirit. And we can read that light. And you stand around boasting, and blowing, and
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bragging, and all different kinda thing, about how great you are. You're telling on yourself. And what you're doing up here, you're telling on yourself.
You are our epistles, written in our hearts, and read and known of all men. Listen! Let's go then. Remember. I'm not gonna let you go until I tell you these things. You remember I told you when I went down here and showed you how Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers... You remember that?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, then I showed you the prophecies. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: But now, look. You are our epistles, the New Covenant, of the New Testament. Not Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John but you. Written not in tables of stone, as this old one was back here. This was only a type and a shadow, showing you that it would be written in your heart and in your mind. God said that's where He was going to put it: written in your heart and in your mind. Listen! And you don't need Pete! You don't need nobody to let you in and out of heaven. It's the Spirit that quickeneth.42 And all that the apostles were doing, all that any of them ever done at any time was out there preaching and it was, fact of the matter to tell you the truth, it wasn't them preaching, it was the Holy Ghost speaking through them. They ain't done nothing. Nobody, no place, nowhere has got no business boasting and blowing in the sight of God! Nobody!
Now, you are our epistles. This thing you talking about being the New Testament over here, you are our epistles. Now, look, Wallace, when I get these all together, then I got a book. John out there on the Isle of Patmos. He seen these epistles. He said I saw an angel come down from heaven having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.43 And he laid hold on that old serpent, the Devil, and bound him a thousand years. I can't go into all of it, because I don't wanna keep you here, but I know you're getting restless. And bound him a thousand years, but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. And somebody thought that Christ was going to jump down through the clouds, on the day of the living when He come here, then they be given eternal life, and them that spade up... They have to spade them up out there, they call that the first resurrection. I beg your pardon. That's not it. You haven't got nothing right so far. Then here you are, standing around, I want to tell you about this too, here you are, all your churches, all of your big shots, your smart, so called smart men, Wallace, it's a sickening mess. You'd better start trying to find God for yourself. And let the Devil I won't say go to hell, let him stay there. Talking about population explosion. Well look, Bishop, if what you, if what your people what you say about it is right. Look, here He comes, jump down from the sky. Three billion people living on earth now. We haven't got enough food
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and stuff to feed 'em with. And China has compulsory birth control. Contraception. Even down sterilizing the men. Keep down the population explosion. Malnutrition, the rickets, people just dying from starvation, little kids, you see their ribs. Nothing to feed them with. The population's 3,000,000,000. I know some of you have to go, that's okay. And here you are silly enough to think He's gonna jump down from the sky, gonna dig up all them from Adam on down, and add them to the three billion that's on earth already living. There wouldn't even be standing room. You get it now? And that's what you call the first resurrection. But the rest of the dead lived not again until after the thousand years, them's the wicked ones. Got all the good folks here that time... the first one. Then the wicked be raised. Now, Jehovah's Witnesses and them teaching that out there. And listen, stupid enough to say and of the whole population of the earth on down, from Adam on down until now (now listen at me) only 144,000 of them, of the earth class is gonna get to go to Heaven. A hundred and forty-four thousand. And then you're stupid enough to believe all that junk. Now, if you took 144,000 of these billion, 3,000,000,000 that we got on earth added to all those others we got there, you still wouldn't, you couldn't miss 144,000. And God said He's gonna multiply the sands, the Children of Israel as the sands of the sea and as the stars of heaven.
And you're around here complaining about it, and grumbling about it, talking about we ain't got enough food. God can't take care of it, and all like a this. You trying to set up birth controls, and all that kinda stuff. Brother, you don't know nothing about God.
Just like Pharaoh. The Devil in him. Right now Pharaoh, all the male children was born, he told the midwives to put them to death cause if they didn't, the Israelites would increase above them, and they'd put them in bondage. That's the way, that's the way the Devil thinks. Birth control. And we're gonna make it our business to see to it that they don't be born. We don't care what it costs. Ain't enough food here to feed 'em. Do you see how stupid we are, that is? And yet and still we call ourselves praying to God. It's bad ____. Into their hearts will.., I be back on the text, back on the text. Received ye the spirit by the works of the law. You know good and well, ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ thing. And you know it too, you never got nothing out of that covenant. You didn't even get enough grape juice out of it and even enough of that cracker to do your physical body any good. And then you set up there and lie, and say you feel it all down in there and all in your conscience. Now you just think about it.
They say I'm a bad fellow. I'm awful. ____ ____. He that ministers to you, He that works miracles, healing the sick and raising the dead ____ ____ ____ ____ any ____. By the hearing of faith, God said that. He ____ baptise (baptize?) ____. Now that's not saying ____ ____ ____ ____. And I been telling you that. God said that. That He ____ ____ and ____ ____ ____ ____ God is ____ ____ ____ ____. Divine healers. Heals. There ain't no divine healer on the earth. 'I'm with this, and I'm with that,' and all tightened up in your carnal mind, just so afraid that somebody won't notice you. Who, do you think you are, anyhow? Don't nobody care nothing about you, Jones.
Dr. Willie Jones: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: They've done even got around to the place now, where there are so many Negroes own Cadillacs, they ain't got no respect for a Negro riding in a Cadillac any more. They done got around to the place where they call that a poor man's car. Because you want to get rid of all the breakdowns and the repair bills and all that kinda thing, to save yourself some money, you have to buy three or four little ones, pickups, compacts, and all that kinda thing. By the time you get home off of one of these freeways, you got to go and get some bolts and nuts to put in it on the other end, come back down on this end, you got to do some fixing up, just because you're buying yourself a Cadillac. It's cheaper to run that than it is one of those kinda things. So now, they got around to the place where they call...
Now, it used to be the white people, they used to have great big penthouses, servants sitting up there caring for 'em, society says, wearing long gloves, come up here. They got fourteen, fifteen, twenty, twenty-five, and thirty, or forty rooms in a mansion, and he set back up there with a big high hat on. That's all out of style now.
You find him out there now driving his own car, going when he gets ready, coming when he gets ready. There's very few people, and all that big house, he don't wanna be bothered with it, the wife don't wanna be bothered with it, she got her own bungalow down there, out there someplace: bedroom, living room, she's touching buttons, window curtains headed that way. Things are not like they used to be, folks.
This is not a showoff time. What we're trying to show off is God now, not you. Don't nobody care nothing about you. They don't care about your money and all that kinda thing. They don't care about your reputation; they don't care about your family tree. They don't care if you're even an angel drop down from heaven. That's not the show. And because they been trying to show off theirself so much, well, the people have got around to the place where they think God is dead.
Read on a little further, Dr. Harris. I'll let you go in, in a minute or two. I'll try to. In the 3rd chapter of Galatians.
Dr. Harris: Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness...
Dr. Kinley: No. I, I want ye are our epistles written in our hearts.
Dr. Harris: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly
Dr. Kinley: For as much then that, what I'm, the reason why I'm saying this to you is... Now look, when I leave here, don't you think for one minute that you're gonna be justified and say; 'Well, I don't need Yahweh, I ain't going down there.' That's the way they do it back in Ohio. He's gone. Listen, you planted this down there, when I left to go to Springfield, Ohio, and went to Cincinnati. Didn't you, Dr. Gross?
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Dr. Carl F. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Dr. Bass and all. You know why? What's the use? It's kinda like what Bishop said here a Sunday or two ago. You done tried and done told people all everything you know to tell them, and all that kinda thing, tell 'em about Christ. And you done tried and tried and tried. It won't work at home. And the more you tried, 'That's all right. Yup, yup, yup.' Can't get along with you no kinda way. 'Oh well, what's the use!' Now, that's the way they did in Springfield, just got discouraged. And I tell you things to keep you from getting discouraged. And keep you coming to class, and bring somebody with you. The curtain is just about to come down. It's just about to close.
Don't get discouraged. Yes, I know the Devil is, is raising sand with everybody. Out there on the job, they won't pay you like they should. They put more work on you. Everything is going wrong around the house. The wife and the husband and the kids, and all like that, just can't get along. Everything's wrong. But don't be, get discouraged. Come on down, because... Come on down to school, because then you help somebody and somebody helps you. We're helpers one of another. A man come to my house
TAPE 3 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: last week. His wife had been down here to school. I'm gonna tell you about this. His wife had been down here to school, and she was so much holier than anybody down here. She don't need no man around. She's too holy for that, sex I'm talking about, won't be bothered with that. She's too holy for that. You go down there and understand all things ____ ____ down to school. Won't be bothered, ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. You go on down there to that place if you want to, that's what she told her husband. You go to that place if you want to but.., I won't be bothered with them people, most especially them niggers. You just might as well say that. She doesn't want to be bothered with him. Next thing, two, three, or four years, the next thing you know... 'What? Oh no, not you!' Caught with another man. Why in the world didn't you just come on out and say it in the first place. What do you want to blame it on us down here for? Why didn't you just tell him to his face? No, have to be caught in the act. Just wasn't honest enough to come and say, 'Listen, I used to think something of you. I don't want to be bothered with you.' Why didn't you do like I told you a while ago, just tell him right to the face, right to the nose. Come on clean. Don't be, (SOUNDS LIKE DR. KINLEY IS BARKING AND GROWLING) 'Grr, and grr.' And everything you say, 'grrr.' So and so 'Humph.' I don't care what... You just gonna say: here's a dog constantly 'grr.' Have to look the second time before you're setting up shop. Just a constant squabbling, even when you're talking about it on the phone. And if they ain't looking right at you, and just happen to hear you. 'Listen, that baby had a five, had five bucks!' 'Boy, don't you bother me, can't you see I'm busy!' Just anything. Just a Devil in them every kinda way. That's the way it is all over the world.
Read. I have something in there I wanted to get to in conclusion.
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Dr. Harris: but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Dr. Kinley: Not in tables of stone. Now, that, that Ten Commandment Law is written in tables of stone, but God's writing it in your heart and in your mind. I didn't say Matthew. I didn't say a cardinal either. Not writing on no ink page nor nothing, after you learn how you ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. I'm not talking about that. You get it now? Written in our hearts. Read on, Doc.
Dr. Harris: And such trust we have through Christ, the Lord.
Dr. Kinley: And such trust have we to you through Messiah. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves
Dr. Kinley: Not that we are sufficient all by ourselves. Read on.
Dr. Harris: to think any thing as of ourselves;
Dr. Kinley: to think any thing of ourselves;
Dr. Harris: but our sufficiency...
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. If I ain't gonna think anything of myself then you know what I think about you. All right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: but our sufficiency is of God.
Dr. Kinley: Our sufficiency is of God. And it is not of some man or some men deciding or decree His way. Listen Roger, we don't give a hoot about that. Didn't you heard the latest? Yeah, and the earliest too. That's why the Pope issued a decree. He granted a, he granted a dispensation, you can eat meat on Friday now. I'll eat anything I wanna eat, any day I want to eat it, and it's none of your business! The Hell with it. Why all of sudden? Just like Paul, when he was up there in Ephesus, eating meat sacrificed to an idol. Now, you're not supposed to do that! But them people that he had along with him, they were supposed to be wise! They were supposed to understand that the man was eating the meat because he was hungry! And they brought a accusation against him. Said, 'if eating meat offend my brother, I'll eat no more meat while the world stands.44 He meant eating meat sacrificed to idols. And so far as long as the world stands, he wasn't gonna live that long. So there's a misunderstanding somewhere. And what he meant, he just wouldn't do that, but he was eating meat to satisfy his appetite.
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You see why there ain't nobody much in church, and all the little hole in the wall, and building. And just about got his family in some little shotgun place around here. And the great big churches, they're falling off. The Roman Catholic Church is calling for priests every day. And there's no less than one thousand of them right here in L. A., ex-priests. They are too honest. They are too clean. They are too pure to go through with that deception. And they'll walk out of there. Go in the front door and out the back. Same thing in Protestantism. Did you, did you know that? Just by the millions.
If in these days and times, if you don't have something real... Can you go down here in town and buy a bag of peanuts without some money? And you can't eat peanuts without money, without the peanuts, and have some appetite... have something to satisfy your hunger. In other words, I'm telling you, you have to have the Holy Ghost, not some jive, and some junk, and some mess somebody dug up. You can't sustain on that. Can't you read? And the Devil knows it. And then this is what he does. He tells you, you go out there and do thus and so forth and so on, go back ____ ____. He knows you ain't got a thing to keep you from doing it. He knows that's what you're gonna do. He hasn't given you anything to keep you from it. And so he says, 'go on out there and do it and come back and tell me about it.' And then, when you get back in there, there ain't nothing you can do about it. ____ ____ ____ ____. But the Holy Ghost, as Peter says, ____ ____ ____ in his first epistle, who are kept clean, you are kept clean by the power of God. Listen. 'Through faith ready,' not getting ready, but 'ready to be revealed in the last times.'45
The Holy Spirit will keep you standing when I'm gone. Keep you standing while I'm here. Keep you standing when everything is going wrong at home and abroad. It's by the power of God is able to keep you prepared and ready at all times. Now, all assistance that can be ____ you is of the Spirit. And as Paul said there, our sufficiency is not of ourselves, or no preacher, no pope, no cardinal, no bishop, no nothing. He can't do nothing for hisself. Here sets one right here. And I'll tell you right in your nose, there ain't nothing you can do for nobody. There ain't nothing I can do for nobody. There ain't nothing that nobody can do for anybody. It's got to be the Holy Spirit to do these things for all of us. And look Bishop, I'm not depending on you either. I can put your trust in the LORD. David said to trust in man, it's just like a foot out of joint, you wouldn't walk too well with a foot out of joint. Just trust in the LORD, and do good.46 You been doing all right, but just trust in man, is just... Say, 'You ain't got no faith in me?' No. How am I going to have any faith in you and ain't got none in myself? Praise ye the LORD.
I hope you've gotten something out of the things that I have said. Days may appear to be calm. And I've tried to tell you in such a way as to keep your attention, but everything I've said to you is truth. Wouldn't you think so Bishop? And it's right down in front. Everything you've been taught out there in the world
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is wrong.
This is the time and the season for it. And it is going on all over the world. People are weak, depending on one another, preaching and teaching the wrong thing about population explosion and the earth. Talking about Jehovah's Witnesses already talking about He will come back and settle here for 1000 years, on top of all this population explosion out here. There wouldn't be... You could stand them three or four deep. There wouldn't be enough room. Farmer wouldn't have enough land, if he sat right beside his chair, to raise something under his chair to feed his own babies, to say nothing about his family.
Say, you know God has prepared something far better for us, than what the Devil is talking about. Let us have hope and press on to the mark or the prize of the high calling, which is in Yahshua the Messiah. And God is able to prepare for far more than what you're able to appreciate and to conceive. And it's better than what you have been told. It's worthwhile. It's worthwhile.
Rise, and let's go hence.
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by Dr. Henry C. Kinley
Los Angeles, California
recorded by Dr. Carl F Gross on reel to reel recorder
transferred to 2 90 minute audio cassettes by Geraldine Rothstein
CATALOG #: 67.06 AM
Transcribed by Sandra Giragosian
Proofread by Cathy Fenti, Gerry Rothstein, and Michael Rothstein
Proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee - 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
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MODERATOR: The Founder and Dean of the school, Dr, Henry C, Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you. I'm indeed happy and glad to be with you, and talk about things that I think is absolutely necessary for you to know. And it is my indispensable duty to make it my business to see to it that you do, so that you don't have no excuse. Now, I'm not here to make somebody believe something. I'm not here to argue about it. Just tell you what the real purpose and plan calls for, and to warn and caution you, so that you can, if you so choose, to save your soul.
First, I'd like to say this. The majority of you don't actually realize how bad the situation and condition is in the world in which you live in at this present time. You're unconscious of it. With the many millions of people that call themselves Christians, if you were to take and a count of 'em, you couldn't see how that the world could be in as bad a condition as it really is, if you take their word for it.
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Now, for example, there is around six hundred million Roman Catholics. Now, they're supposed to be people that are righteous. Then you got four and a half million, four hundred and a half million, Moslems. Now, they rank next in number to the Roman Catholics, for your information. And they are the people that we are, that Dr. Gross has been talking with you about, scattered all through here. And then comes the Christians, like the, or let me call it the Protestants. Now, when we say Protestants, we talk about all the rest of the Methodists, the Baptists, the Presbyterians, the Camelites (Carmelites?), the Dunkards, and the Mennonites, and all that kind of thing. That's what we're talking about.
Now, then, it don't look like that the world could be in as bad a shape as it is, and as I'm just about to paint it to you to let you know. It don't look like it could be in that bad a shape. But now, let me say this to you. Now, Dr. Gross got up here and he said that... Well, I'd better show you. I wanna show you as I go along. He went on and he told you that this was Joshua, correctly speaking was Yahshua. Did you notice he said that?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Real sure?
Student Body: Uh, huh.
Dr. Kinley: Now, somebody would want to raise a dispute and an argument about that, because He, at 110 He died and He was buried in a plot that was selected for Ephraim. Then if He was buried there at 110, then how in the world could He be born of the Virgin Mary and walk around on the face of the earth 33 years, and be crucified and replanted. And then somebody will come along and say, 'Well you don't have no Bible for that, that that was Him back there.' You see the point. Yes, you do. Now, I wanna show it to you in your Bible.
The 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians, and then I'm going to hasten on. And another thing I'm going to do tonight, we're gonna get beyond this. We're gonna get beyond that dispensation, the present one that we're living in. We wanna know what's after this. All right, read. That Rock that followed... right down there you have it there in the 10th chapter about the 4th or 5th verse, I believe.
Reader: And did all drink the same spiritual drink:1
Dr. Kinley: Now, says there, it's talking about the children of Israel through here, incidentally where you see on these charts, this picture through here, this is the same thing, this is the same thing. Where you see this up here on this chart, this is the same thing, this is the same thing. This is, this, this right here is the same thing as this right here. This right here is the same thing as that. Now, when you get through with it, it's the same thing all the way through. Now, that'll keep you from making a mistake. Get the point? Now, one is an, an analogy of the other.
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Now, say for instance, now, this, this Ark here that Noah built, is three-fold. And it rained 40 days and 40 nights. Now, if this Tabernacle is three-fold, you can see that the Ark has got to be, too. Now, you don't have to waste your time, reading around in the Bible, chapters and verses, and all that kinda thing, trying to find out how many stories there was in the, in the, in Noah's Ark. You're just wasting your time. Much reading and much study is a weariness of the flesh.2 And let me tell you this, you never will be able to understand it that way, now or after a while. All you'll get is more and more confused. That's what's the matter with the world today. I will prove that before I sit down. Just more and more confused. That's how all of these doctrines has manistrated all over the earth plane. That's how it happened.
Now, the 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians I believe, Paul, beginning at the 1st verse, he said, 'Moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant.' We don't want you to be ignorant. Now, somebody said, 'Well, he's talking to the Grecians, or the Corinthians.' No, that's wrong, too. 'Well, aren't Corinthians Grecians?' Yes, they are. Now then, then we're confused right there. Get the point? And it hasn't dawned on the other fellow out there, that's how all these problems comes up.
Now, Paul is writing an epistle here to those that he left in Corinth that were Jews, to instruct the Gentiles. So, therefore, he says, 'Moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant, how all of our fathers...' And they were Jews or Israelites. Now, you can see by that that he's writing an epistle to somebody up there that knew something about what he was talking about.
Now, if you turn over in the 7th chapter... I don't want you to do that. If you turn over in the 7th chapter of the same epistle, he says, 'I speak to them that know the Law.' The Gentiles did not know the Law. Why didn't he know it? Because it wasn't given to him. What business has he got, it's to the Jews first. I'm talking about the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Jew first. And then he was supposed to go and preach to the Gentiles. And the Gentiles was the rest of the world. Well, now, why would you write them an epistle, and tell them something about something they don't know nothing about it. Get the point? Romans... Yes. You got the epistle to the Romans. He says, 'The Romans, they are Gentiles.' Yes, they are. But he wasn't writing to the Romans. He was writing to them brethren that were up in Rome, that had previously been up to Jerusalem.
No, Pete wasn't there, and never was in Rome. It's contrary even to the purpose for him to be in Rome. For what? Well, somebody said, 'Well, didn't they tell him to go in all the world and preach the gospel to every creature?' Yes, sure. He did. Now, the Roman Catholics would have you believe that Peter first set up the Holy Sea at Jerusalem, and he was there until 41. And then he moved it from Jerusalem to Antioch in Syria. And he set up the Holy Sea there for a while. And then, from there, in 41 he went to Rome. Now, that's a lie. I mean it's a lie according to the Bible. Yes, and I can prove it by the Bible that he never been there. That's the only way to prove it.
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You can't go get me no story book and fairy tale and prove something to me. That's the reason why the Roman Catholics earnestly and dogmatically contend, the Italian part of the group, that the church is ruled by scripture and tradition. And if you wipe out the tradition, you ain't got nothing in the Bible to support it with. You got to keep the tradition in there, because the other part of it isn't in there. There's nothing in that Bible that says that Peter ever was in Rome. Nobody can prove it and it's just tradition that they say that he was in Rome. But they don't point to one verse in even the almanac, to say nothing about the Bible, to say that he was there.
Now, this is what I want you to see, before I move from where we are. Moreover brethren...3 Now, he's talking to those.., Corinth is in Greece, not too far from Athens. And the Grecians were the greatest imaginative philosophers that the world has ever known. And they were steeped in the Greek Cyclops of mythology. You know what mythology is, don't you? You know what a myth is. And they had every kind of a conceivable idea and notion about the creation, and about a god of some kind, and all kinds of images and idols, and, incidentally, Rome did, too. And they spent their time trying to think up something. Some new doctrine. Some new philosophy, as it was in Mars Hill.
As Paul passed up through Mars Hill, he said, 'I beheld... I looked right at your devotions. I see the way you carry on, and the way that you act.' And then, listen, they had, just like we have today, they had an inscription. Do you know what an inscription is? Had a sign up here. They had signs all over the place, Mars Hill. This kinda pagan idea, and that kinda pagan god, and that kinda pagan god, and they, they was afraid they had missed out on one. And so then, they put an inscription up there said, 'to the unknown'. That's right. Now, this is what they was doing. And listen, I want you to know that the folks are still doing the same thing. They haven't changed. You got the same God and the same Devil. There they was with all kinds of marks, throwing salt over their shoulders, spitting, black cats, and all that kind of stuff, and just out there clowning and carrying on. Now the Roman Catholic Church, that, that's all they do. Said, 'I beheld your devotions, as I passed by.' Said, 'I perceive that in all things you're too superstitious.' Now, we wanna swap off some of this superstition and ignorance, and get something real.
So now, here we go. Down here it said, now Paul said, 'Now, that Rock....' Suppose you read it.4 Moreover brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant, how all of our fathers... Read.
Mary Gross: were under the cloud,
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4 I Corinthians 10:1
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Dr. Kinley: were under the cloud... Now, you look up here at me. I drew these charts to look at and to teach from, and to expound and to explain your Bible in simplicity and in relevance. And for your information, nobody on earth has ever been able to dispute 'em. And they've been in the colleges, among the smart boys, as smart as you make them. And they've all... I mean Roman Catholic, Protestant, Jews and everything else been up against it. And they must take their hat off to it. If Gabriel or Michael dropped down this way, you must take your hat off.
Student Body: All right. Okay. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Yes, ma'am, yes sir, that's the way that is. Get it? Somebody says, 'Oh, well...' Now, look, we've, listen, we've had all kinds of preachers and teachers here. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: This school didn't hatch up here the other day. It's 35 years old. And it's known all around the world. And nobody in the world can argue with it. They have no success with this one. Now, that's right. Didn't we send LBJ a letter yesterday, and a clipping out of the newspaper?
Dr. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Didn't you send it, Dr.,,? Didn't you send it, Dr. Gross?
Dr. Gross: Sure did.
Dr. Kinley: That the International Council of Churches had to stoop and bow. There goes your Baptists. There goes your Methodists. There goes your Presbyterians. They admitted it, and we took the clipping out of the newspaper and sent it to Lyndon Baynes (Baines?)Johnson. Yesterday, by registered letter, so that you have to sign for it to get it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. And we told him that we sent him a book. We told him that we sent John F. Kennedy, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, a book. Is that right? And then we sent the receipt... a copy, a photostatic copy, from John F. Kennedy's secretary acknowledging that he received it.
Dr. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And I said that John F. Kennedy, in Hollywood, would be nominated, and elected, and assassinated. I sent the information to him.
Dr. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, he can't argue with it. He knows, ain't no need to start no argument about it. Now, you know that man trembling in his boots. Did you know that some people are saying that LBJ shot John F. Kennedy? Now, if I knew way back there that he was gonna be nominated, elected, and assassinated,
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(STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) you almost know that I know who shot him. Now, that won't do him much good. Trembling in his boots. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And I told you the history of the world, right straight down the line. And I haven't missed nothing. Now I, now, this is what I would say about you, and I mean you, and everybody else. When you come face to face with the facts, or the truth, that you nor nobody else can deny, I say you are foolish if you don't accept it.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. And if you don't feel like accepting it now, you're gonna have buy it after a while. So, it's just as cheap now as it'll be after a while. It won't be no sale on it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. All right, moreover brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant, how all of our fathers were under the cloud,
Mary Gross: and all passed through the sea;
Dr. Kinley: and all passed through the sea;
Mary Gross: And were all immersed unto Moses
Dr. Kinley: And were all immersed
Mary Gross: unto Moses
Dr. Kinley: unto Moses
Mary Gross: in the cloud
Dr. Kinley: in the cloud
Mary Gross: and in the sea;
Dr. Kinley: and in the sea;
Mary Gross: And did all eat the same spiritual food;
Dr. Kinley: And did all eat the same spiritual food;
Mary Gross: And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
Dr. Kinley: And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
Mary Gross: for they drank of that spiritual Rock
Dr. Kinley: for they drank of that spiritual Rock
Mary Gross: that went with them:
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Dr. Kinley: Uh, uh, followed.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: He straightened it up, didn't he?
Dr. Gross: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Did you notice that before, Doc? Now, in your King James Version, it's got followed. I told you that was an error. Now, all you have to do to find out is to just go on back over there in the Old Testament to do that. There's so many interpolations and errors in your Bible, until you'd be surprised to know how many there were. I don't think it's too bad a job, even at that. We'll straighten 'em out.
Now, look here, here's the cloud. Now, you can see this. You wouldn't have no trouble whatsoever looking at this. Now, here's the cloud. They are following the cloud. Now, you've got there, look there, you got it there the cloud went with them. That's correct. Now, in your King James Version, you got the cloud following them. Now, when the Messiah come along, when Messiah come along, He didn't say 'I wanna follow you.' He said, 'Follow me.' Now, you got the same cloud right back over in that, voice came through that cloud. I mean it's in your Bibles. Don't start nothing with me. Right in your Bible. The cloud overshadowed Him when He was baptized there in the River Jordan. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: The voice came. Is that right? And the voice from that cloud, said, 'This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.'5 Now, when we straighten up these things, why then, you are supposed to look at it, cause all this, these patterns, it's got to fit perfect. It's just got to fit. So if, if the cloud's gonna overshadow here, and He's gonna go straightway into the wilderness, don't you see, don't you see the cloud's got to be the same here as it is there, cause what He's doing is fulfilling this that's back there. You get the point? That's why we don't make mistakes.
Somebody, 'You don't know what you're talking about. You ought to hear my preacher preach. He done graduated at Princeton, Harvard, or some...' Look, we took them all down. That's right. Nobody gets by with nothing. Why? Because this is what they need that they haven't got. They need a pattern to go by. Now, we told you that this pattern was a God-given thing. I'm trying to talk so you can understand. It's not something that we hatched up, like they did the Vatican down there. You oughta see that botched up mess they got down there, and that 108 acres. That right? Every once in a while they're botching up something else to it, adding on something. And it's not built according to the pattern. Nothing like it. Well, it can't be right. God didn't authorize no building in no Vatican in Rome. What do you think He tore it down up here in Jerusalem for. The Messiah said, the 23rd chapter. There's not one stone left upon top of another that shall not be
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thrown down.6 What're you throwing it down for? Gonna move it to Rome?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: We, we ought, we, we need just a, just a remote touch of common sense, just horse sense would do better than that. We just let the Devil come along and tell us anything.
Moreover brethren, I don't want you to be ignorant. I want you to know how all of our fathers was in the, baptized in the cloud and in the sea. And they did all drink of that spiritual Rock that followed them, isn't that right? And that Rock was Peter.
Student Body: No. No.
Dr. Kinley: Read.
Mary Gross: And that Rock was the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: That Rock was... Now, you see how He's at back there? Now, when we try to tell you that He was along back there, somebody say, 'Well, I didn't, I didn't hear it that way. You're the only one who said that.' No, uh uh, that is in the book. See, somebody jumped up here and said, 'Well, Doc Gross is wrong about that.' Get the point?
Now, you must remember that there's a negative and a positive there, too. Well now, look, in the cycles of time... I told you I wanna carry you on past here. I want to put another one down here. We'll let this one kind of rest here, for a little bit. We got this made. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now what we wanna know is what's gonna happen after this. Get the point? Now, in here this, this one... What's it, what's this? This is an end here, too. This is an end here. This is an end here. This is an end here. That's an end there. And then, listen here, this is being ended here, and put another down and another end. That's the ages yet to come. Now, we explain that in your Bible. And I want you to know now. Now, you can be the judge, because it's your soul. I wonder if I could say this this way. The old folks used to say that every tub has to sit on its own bottom. Now, if all of these tubs have to sit on their own bottom now, then there can't be nobody's tub sitting on somebody else's bottom at the judgement. Do you understand what I am talking about?
Student Body: Yes. Sure. Right.
Dr. Kinley: If there's nothing nobody can do for you now, there won't be nothing nobody can do for you after a while. And you'd be surprised at how hard a job it is to find anything at all right in any of these churches. Somebody would say 'Now look, I know that's right. I know that's right. I'm just sure of that. That's right.' Read something out of the Bible, too.
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Now let me tell you about these people who come up here, these, these Arabs and all right now. I hear some of them around here talking about the Black Muslims. And I just might as well straighten you out on this mess. These Black Muslims in, in, in the United States of America is separated from them across the waters. And there is a lot of white people that belong to the Muslims. You heard me. I don't have no problem proving it.
Now, I wanna tell you about them across the waters. Do you know what they believe? They believe that the Messiah was crucified, and is buried, and has not resurrected from the dead as yet. Did you know that? Now, somebody want to start an argument with me. 'Oh, no. That ain't the way. That ain't the way. That ain't the way I hear it.' Well now look, I put the doctrine in the book on you. They say, 'When He does raise from the dead...' They teach, too, in India and a lot of places, temporary suspended animation.
DR. GROSS'S ORIGINAL REEL RECORDING CAME TO AN END, THE LECTURE CONTINUED ON THE OTHER SIDE.
Dr. Kinley: We're done fooling around with all this jive here and stuff, and all them different kinda thing, and all these doctrine and all. You'll find out that 450 million of them, and a lot of things that they teach, we don't believe: idolatry, ignorance, and superstition. Somebody said, 'Kid you ever read the Koran?' Yes, we read the Koran. Indeed.
'Do you know the Honorable Elijah Mohammed?' When was he born? Did him up... Somebody says, 'Well, he's in Chicago.' I beg your pardon. Says, 'Well, you don't understand he's the reincarnation.' Say, Doc, you know anything about reincarnation. I don't believe it. Get it now? One said he was born 570 A.D.. Another one, record said he was born 627 A.D.. If he's born 627 A.D., he wasn't back there. Now it was his affirmation that he was God's prophet, and that he received a revelation from God. And he taught he was an angel sent from God to preach and to teach and his name was Mohammed. And he died around 632; 570, we'll take that for his birth, and he died around 632. When you talk to me, you have to tell me something.
Now, here's why I don't believe in that. And he couldn't be in Chicago. The reason why they're saying that... They are saying that he is a reincarnation of the Elijah Mohammed back there. The Honorable... Elijah Mo....
Now, reincarnation, when you look at that... What is reincarnation? The actual definition of reincarnation means that the spirit that come out of this body, departed out of it, now if it's gonna be reincarnated, it'll have to come back in this body. But that's not the way they teach reincarnation. They mean that he come out of this body and it's in that one over there. Well now listen. Let me show you this. If that was Mohammed over there, way down the line in 570, who's he the reincarnation of? Get me straightened out. You gotta do better than that with me. You don't give me that hogwash. That's too far down the line. If he wasn't God incarnated, or Christ incarnated, what you talking about, you being a reincarnation of him.
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Four hundred fifty million of 'em... The population of the earth is approximately 300, 3 billion, 600 million of 'em Roman Catholics and 450 million of 'em Mohammedans. Now, you don't have too much to choose from. Of course, the figures is not right. Then, here we got our other factions of religious denominations, and cults, and sects, and creeds; and all of them got something. Some of them got some of this and some of that and then some of the other and some of the other, and just so confused and mixed and messed up until they don't know what it's all about. That's right. Depending on the priest to mediate and talk to God for you; you go and confess to him, got him mediating, and then here he got Mary between him and God. Light travels 186,000,000 miles... How long, Fred?
Dr. Allen Jr.: A second.
Dr. Kinley: A second. Now, it take longer than that to transmit a prayer through all them souls. We ain't got time to wait on all that. Can't take no chance on that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now, this is immortality. (DR. KINLEY IS DRAWING ON THE BOARD.) That's an I... It don't look much like it... that's immortality. Now that's... This is the end of this age, this spiritual age; this is immortality here. Now, I want you to understand what I'm talking about. Now, with the Spirit in you now, right now, with the Spirit in you now, you have life in you now.
Now, there's a man come in talk about mind, science of mind. Mind, it, it won't do. The mind's too weak, cause you can change your mind before you get out that door down there. Some of you went downtown, thought you wanted something or other, and you actually went down there and bought it. And fore you got home with it, you was wondering whether you could take it back. Now, if you don't understand what I'm talking about, then, you ask Sears and them, around in these stores around here on, how it is at Christmas. Everybody rushing in trying to buy something, trying... Then, right after Christmas, here, there they come right back. Whole stacks full down there, take that stuff back. And some of 'em even got signs up 'No exchanges.' Mind. You change your mind about it. That won't do. Now, God or the Spirit, it's not changeable. He declared the end from the beginning, hasn't changed it yet. Get the point? Hasn't changed a thing about it. And it operates the same way all the time, through all the dispensations and ages. But mind, it fluctuates. It's subject to changes, but Spirit is not. Now, when you get the Spirit in this present age...
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Now, look, the thing I'm trying to point out to you now is this. Now, it's not gonna do you no good to try to prop up and hold up something because of my grandmother, and my father, and my uncle, and my nephew, and all of my family they belong to this stuff, and I been in it so long until... That's not going to help it none. This is your soul. You're, up to you. Now, we're right down here now where, if we don't have the Spirit, I'd like to change that, if the Spirit don't have you... (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Too many of us have got the Holy Ghost. That's what's wrong with us. Everybody's got the Holy Ghost. Now, if you look in your... Said, 'What did you say that for?' If you looked in your Bible, you'll find
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that when Philip went down and preached down in Samaria, the whole city down there... Now, you know that don't even make sense. The city down there... It meant the folks down there, in the city of Samaria. They received it, gladly received his message. And quite a few of 'em was healed too, wasn't they.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Don't it say that? But none of them never got the Holy Ghost, cause the book said He hadn't, He hadn't, not fell upon them. That is to say, the Holy Ghost never got them, not until Peter and John went down.
But now everybody, everybody around got the Holy Ghost now. And all of us is gibbering and jabbering and ideas and opinions and different churches and all like that, and talking just like a fool and don't even have sense enough to know that. Somebody say, 'Well, look here. What church do you belong to?' Paul said, foolish and unlearned questions avoid, because they do stir up strife, or gender strife.7 Now he thinks that's a real smart question. 'What church do you belong to?'
Now, the church, or the congregation of, the church... Paul wouldn't even know what you're talking about when you say church. The true, divine, etymological meaning of the word church, is congregation or assembly. Well now, what congregation or assembly, or what church do you... There isn't but one. Well what is that? That's the Messiah's body. That's what the congregation is. That's what the church is. It's the body of the Messiah. Now, you heard me. Now, how many bodies did He have.
Student Body: One.
Dr. Kinley: How many Christs are there?
Student Body: One.
Dr. Kinley: Do you see what I'm talking about? Now, that sounds real smart on there. Then here, some stupe comes along and says, 'Well, look, I belong to the Roman...' He wants to put emphasis on it. The word Roman, it means a geographical location. It's a city in Italy. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Well, you just got through saying that... about Jerusalem. Well, how did it get Rome in it? How did it get in there? Then, I just got through telling you what they say. They say that Peter first set up the Holy Sea at Jerusalem, moved it to Antioch. It was there a while, and from there to Rome. Now, anybody believes that needs a psychiatrist to examine your head. And even if Pete never went to Rome, he couldn't do that. It just don't make sense.
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Well, somebody said, 'Well, you don't understand.' I'm afraid I do. I'm afraid that's what my trouble is. You know better than that. What do you let someone come along and tell you something like that for? Peter moving the church around.
Now, let me show you just some more stupidity on that thing, and that they're doing all the time. Now you heard what I just said, didn't you. Now then here, they say that Peter died and he was buried in Rome. And now, showing that Christ put the church on Peter, and Peter's dead and buried, and now they set the Vatican up on him, so they say. Do you see how stupid people are? Do you, do you see that? Proving that the church was built on Peter. Well, what was happening when he was walking around? You got to kill him and get him in the ground before you can build something on him. Well, what was happening when he was walking around?
Now, the scriptures can't be broken. The 23rd chapter of Matthew the 1st verse says, the scribes and the Pharisees, they wanted to sit in Moses's seat. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You know what the scribes and the Pharisees are. Them's the big shots of the Sanhedrin Council, the smart boys. They wanted to get promoted on up, so higher up than, Moses's seat was the highest, because Moses, God gave the Law through Moses. So, they wanted to sit up in his seat. Now, the scriptures can't be broken. So, the Sanhedrin Council comes on through that way, the scribes and the Pharisees. Now, if the scriptures can't be broke, then you can see why it is that they think that Pete was, is closest to Christ, and when Christ is cut off, Peter is His successor, and they are successors of the Apostle. That is, they want to set in Pete's seat. How stupid can you get.
And then here's the Devil, too. The book said so, in Jude. There was the Devil out there arguing about where the body of Moses was buried. Told him up there in the mount. And the Devil's arguing with Michael, too, the archangel, about the body of Moses, and where it was buried. And said God buried him up there. Devil, he's around arguing about it. He done got throwed out of heaven, now here he is, down here, arguing with the man that throwed him out, Michael. Arguing with, just, just throwed him and all his host out of heaven, and now here he is down here arguing with him. That's the 12th chapter of Revelations. See how stupid we are? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) About where the body of Moses was buried.8 Just like they doing it. Now, the scriptures can't be broken. Here they are now, scratching around under the Vatican. Say, 'Pete's under here somewhere.' You've made a great big announcement in the paper. 'We expecting to soon find him.' Well, they ain't found him yet. Now, that's just cold downright...
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Let me show you what I'm talking about. If this is so that this is three-fold here; this is so that this is is three-fold here. And if that's so, then this has got to be. Then the whole thing is that way. The Godhead, you, and everything else. Atoms and everything. Then you got negations. This is just as profound and just as perfect in negations or opposites, as right is right. And it's just got to be.
Now, the Devil can deceive you with all that junk. And all they're looking for is self-aggrandizement and promotion. Comes along and says to the little Jew boy, says, 'Say, what ch.., what church you belong to? 'Well,' say, 'that's a problem.' He says, 'Well, what are you?' He says, 'I'm a Protestant.' Says, 'Why are you a Protestant.' 'Well, you go in, a Layman. Might get to be a deacon. You just might get to be a preacher. Promote you on up.' Says, 'Well, what church you belong to?' Said, 'I belong to the Roman Catholic.' 'What, what, what, why don't you belong to some of these other Roman Catholic?' 'Yes.' Says, 'Well, you can start in a Layman. You can go from the Layman, to the Deacon. You can go from the Deacon to the Priest. You can go from a Priest to a Bishop. And you can go from a Bishop to an Archbishop. And then you can go on up to a Cardinal. And, if you're real smart, you just stand a chance of getting promoted on up to the Pope.' The little Jew boy says, 'Oh, that's why you're a Protestant and a Roman Catholic.' 'Yes,' he said, 'that's right.' Said, 'You can't never tell, you might make it up there. You should join the Roman Catholic Church. Why, that's a potential possibility. That's why I'm a Catholic.' He says, 'Don't you think you ought to come over here?' 'Listen,' says, 'I, I don't want none of that. We had one and He made it.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) He was the real Messiah. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. That's the reason why I belong to... Yes, He was the real God of heaven and earth. He really made it. Yes, indeed. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) So, I think I'm kind of like that little Jew boy. I think I'll stick around in here. You got it made.
Now, let me get down of here real quick and wind this thing up. Now, read with the Spirit. Now, this is the cost of the Spirit. Now, you have to take all of that junk to the dump. Have to take all that imagination, all that old superstition, all that old tradition. And listen, don't nobody know anymore about it than you. You know what I mean by that? Now, you stand around and argue about your church and what you believe, that don't make you have the Holy Spirit.
And not, let me tell you this. God is not gonna stoop to nobody's level. He's not gonna do that. Do you know what I mean by that? I mean by this, I mean, this is what I mean by that. Now, if you got something that's out of harmony with this purpose and this plan, and God has declared the end from the beginning, you'll never make it. Now, God ain't gonna stoop down to your level at all. And if you ever do get the Holy Spirit, you're certainly going to have to put that down. Now, you can argue all you want to, but listen, don't let Him come catch you with it.
And here's something else I want you to see now. How a whole lot of deception is in the world. And the reason why you can't talk to me, you stand out there looking up in the sky for Christ. Said, went all through the country, they said, 'Jesus is coming.' No, He's not. That's the carnal mind. No, indeed. Somebody said, 'Well, you can't tell. Tomorrow might be judgement day. He might jump out of them clouds up there.' And you stand around looking around. I'm telling you
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now, that's not going to happen.
Now, if you'd turn to the 4th chapter of the 1st epistle of John and read that. He said now, Beloved, believe not every, every spirit. Now you listen at me, Ray. Said, 'Beloved, believe not every spirit.' Listen. Every spirit that testifies that Jesus Christ is come, or Yahshua, the Messiah is come, that one's of Yahweh. Is that what you got in your Book?
Now, let me show you how that happens. Let me show you how that happens. I want the 10th chapter, the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians. I wanna show you how that happens, how you can get fooled, and bear in mind what I told you about the Roman Catholics.
They're saying, too, that He never resurrected from the dead. In the doctrine and the philosophy that they teach, they do say in words that He resurrected, they say that. I'm not accusing of them not saying it. But they say it in words, then in deed they deny it. That's what I'm arguing about. Just like the Messiah said, 'Whatsoever the scribes and Pharisees say, that do.' Said, 'But don't do after their works, cause they say, but they don't do.'
Now, look, let me show you why I said that. Look up here at me. Everything that Dr. Gross stood there and told you about, water baptisms, sacrifices, Ten Commandments, Lord's Suppers, and ceremonies and circumcisions, Christ died to move 'em out of the way. And everybody this side of the Cross, that practice 'em, don't have God. He's denying that He resurrected from the dead. The book says that He triumphed over them, and was victorious over them. He nailed them to the cross. He put a, made an open demonstration out of them.9 And if you're out here doing them, you're denying that He resurrected from the dead. You're just saying it in words, and in deed you're denying it. Every one of these people around here talking about eating this grape juice and, and these crackers, saying that Christ said for them to do that is a liar. It's not in the Book. It's not there. And you're gonna have to stop it.
Somebody said, 'Well, I been doing it too long.' You listen, eternity in Hell is longer than that. Get you a couple of years on that one. Them people that do them things are blind. They deny the, that that's what He died for. He said He wasn't gonna.., that's what the Old Covenant was. The New Covenant is the Spirit in you. Now, what we're talking about, His Spirit being in you, every Spirit that testifies. Listen, for the first man Adam was... Look over here. Look over here. Fifteenth chapter of 1st Corinthians: The first man Adam was of the earth, earthly. Paul said... it's written in 1st Corinthians 15, I think it's around the 45th verse. The first man Adam was of the earth, earthly. You say that God made the body out of the dust of the earth. And Paul said the first man Adam, was of the earth, earthly. It's written therein, but the second man, Adam, was what?
Student Body: A quickening spirit.
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Dr. Kinley: Read it out of the Bible. Read it.
Mary Gross: And so it is written,10
Dr. Kinley: It is written,
Mary Gross: The first man Adam was made a living soul;
Dr. Kinley: The first Adam was made a living soul;
Mary Gross: the last Adam was made a life-giving spirit.
Dr. Kinley: The last Adam was made a life-giving spirit. Listen. He's a quickening spirit. You stand around here looking up in the sky. He's a quickening spirit in your heart, that's the New Covenant. Now, you can't sit around and you know good and well you don't have the Spirit in you. I don't care how long you been in this church, that church, or the other church. As far as I'm concerned. You know whether you've got the Spirit in you or not. He's made a quickening Spirit. That's the reason why don't nobody know nothing. They're around here fooling with the natural things. They can't see spiritual things. Don't understand spiritual things. Eating crackers and drinking grape juice, and all them things that was done under the Law. He hasn't got no Holy Spirit. Devil deceived him.
Now, in conclusion, it is written that the second man Adam was made a quickening spirit. Now, that's the difference between one, one's natural and the other's spiritual. One's the Lord from Heaven, the other's from the earth. One is earthly and the other one is heavenly or spiritual. Now, if you have that Spirit in you, that's what we're talking about. Jesus said here, said to Martha and Mary,11 'He that believeth in me...' Now, listen at me. Now listen at me, Wallace. 'He that believeth in Me, though he were dead...' From the fall of Adam. In Adam all died. '...though he were dead, yet shall he live.' Let me repeat it again. He that believeth in Me, though he were dead.... Not four days as was in Lazarus's case, but 4000 years, yet shall he live. I am the resurrection and the life. He that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And he that liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Do you believe this? Now, I'm telling you that Spirit in you. It even follows the contours of your physical body. This body is already dead, but the inner man is a quickening spirit, resurrected and never gonna die. And I'm not talking about this physical body, either.
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Some of them run around talking about this physical body. Father Divine, I went to New York in '35 and saw and talked with him. And they were talking about 'never die'. I said, 'No, Doc, it's not that way. It's in a man. It's a spirit. That's, that's the man in the man, that ain't gonna never die.' But this outer man, all of us, that's the difference between a mortal, that's the difference between a mortal body. And listen, this is a mortal body with a spirit in it under this dispensation. And then this mortal must take off this mortal and put on immortality. We have that dwelling within this one now, eternal life, not going to get it when He jumps out of the sky, because He's not going to do that. He's supposed to be in you now.
And now listen, don't you sit up here and eat no crackers and grape juice, and drag somebody around and try to convince Me you've got something in you. Every spirit that testifies that He is come, you cut that stuff out, because you're practicing the things was done under the Law. Now look, don't you see the Roman Catholic Church there? Don't you see the Moslems? Don't you see the Methodists and the Baptists? Can you see that? I'm asking you now, can you see it?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Can you see that?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, you don't even need good sense to see that. Now watch my point. Now, here you come down through this, since the death, burial, and resurrection, and the outpouring, you come down through this one, right down here now. Right down against it again. Where, as this change was made here, this change, this is what's painted here. Now, now look, listen. It's never gonna be nothing else but this, never gonna be in this repetition. It'll never get away from this, and even in the ages yet to come, Williams, because this pattern is Him Himself, and He is eternal. Can't do away with it ____ ____ ____ ____. And listen class, with the stuff we use, we just can't lose. We just can't lose.
Now look, so I can show you. I, I just got through telling you, now, it's never gonna be nothing else but a repeat. That's all it's gonna ever be. That's all it ever has been. That's all it ever will be. Now then, here's, Dr. Gross was telling you about this. Now here comes Pharaoh, Rameses that king was named. They called all the kings pharaohs. Now, here it come up here. You can see it anywhere on, on these charts. He come up here from Egypt, put the blood over the lintels of the door. Here's Christ, the blood on the, on the lintels of the door. It's dark here, turned dark on the face of the earth from the sixth to the ninth hour. Go right on back here in the Flood, you got the same thing. It's dark. The sun obscured in the sky when it's raining. It rained 40 days and 40 nights. Then you don't have to question how long they was in here. You understand, one day is for forty years in prophetic time. You don't have, there ain't but one door through here, and there can't be but just one. He said He was the door, and there just can't be but one of Him. And listen, Pete ain't sitting up there ruling him, either. And they twisted up your Bible even down to, to make this thing work their way.
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Did you know that?
The Messiah was cut off without any successor. You know why He didn't need no successors? What'd He need somebody to succeed Him for? He didn't leave, did He. What's He doing? I thought you said Pete was running it. I beg your pardon. Do you see how stupid we are. Well, I thought you said Paul was running it. Now, this is what Paul wants to know. Said who is Pete? Who is Paul? Who is Apollos? Are they not the ministers of Christ by whom you believe?12
Somebody says, 'Well, Pete is the Rock, 16th chapter of Matthew, upon which the church is built. And John said he was the rock, too.' Is that right? No, that ain't right, said stone, didn't say rock. You know the difference between and a rock and a stone. You got no better imagination than that. Substance is the same but one's larger than the other one. Well, I'll have you to know that Pete was not the only pebble on that beach. Messiah did say to Pete, in the 16th chapter of Matthew, and called his name too.
Now, here's, here's Pete talking. He says you are builded up a spiritual house.13 What'd he say that for? Don't you see that this temple here was synonymous with His body, and it was more than one stone in this. And Paul put it this way. Said we are built upon the foundations of the apostles and prophets.14 And look, another foundation can no man lay.15
Student Body: That's alright.
Dr. Kinley: Than that which was already laid. Laid where? Out there in Joseph's new tomb, hewn out in the rock, in the heart of the earth. Another foundation can no man lay than that which is already laid. Let him that take... build it thereon, take heed how he builds. If you put water, if you put any of that Lord's Suppers, if you put any of that natural on there. He said, you suffer loss, for the fire shall reveal what sort it is. Ain't that what the book says?16 Don't you put none of that natural on there. Then somebody says, 'Well, now look, I don't believe that.' Well, Pete told you, since it come in in the fire. He says it goes out in the fire. Said it shall be disintegrated and dissolved, and consumed.17 Didn't he say that?
Student Body: Right.
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12 I Corinthians 3:5
13 I Peter 2:5
14 Ephesians 2:20
15 I Corinthians 3:11
16 I Corinthians 3:13
17 2 Peter 3:10,11
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Dr. Kinley: Now, here you go and lay unleavened bread on it. Here you go and lay a lamb up there on it. You go and lay something natural up there on it. Stick your foot up there, foot washing, washed there. Now, if your feet need washing, better go on home and wash your own dirty feet. That's right. That was symbolic of the washing of regeneration.
Then, the Devil get to this foot washing stunt, got the women on one side and the men on the other. What did you do that for? Said there are neither male nor female, bond nor free.18 What are you so particular about somebody washing your wife's feet? Pope Paul and Pope John over there washing the Cardinals' feet. Got one Negro over there, great big black bird. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I'm not just saying that to be smart, either. I want you to see it. And he washed his feet, went, on home liked to die. That's right. He called himself breaking down segregation. And the doctors had a hard time to get that Negro clean, get that Negro clean. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) He's breaking down segregation. That's the truth. Now if you don't think I told you right, we'll bring you the newspapers and let you read them.
All of that natural. God is spirit. We come from spirit. That's where we're going back to. Matter is spirit materialized. And matter shall be disintegrated and dissolved and go back to that. And none of these natural things, none of these natural things. That's how the Devil tricked Eve out there, with them natural things. And now here the Devil got the same old story coming right back to you. Taking the Lord's Suppers and the things was under the Dispensation of the Law, and you just falling for it, and then standing around and trying to argue with somebody about what church you belong to. And Reverend So and So preached a good sermon. He didn't preach nothing like that out of no Bible. And the reason why I say he didn't preach nothing like that out of no Bible is cause it's not in there. You see why I said they can't win no debate. How in the world you gonna win a debate in that Book? It ain't twisted up like that. You're wrong when you start, and you're wrong when you get it done.
Now, just like He talked about go ye therefore in all the world, baptizing in the name.19 You went and dunked them in the water. You can't read water in that verse. He can't send nobody out to baptize nobody, and neither does nobody else. That's what He died for. Now, if He had the authority to remove it, He sure don't have the authority to make Himself out a liar and send somebody else out there to do it. Now, that's just horse sense. You don't need no sense to see that.
Now, what's wrong with the world today, they're trying to find some way to perform these things. And Paul and all the rest of them with their robes, and all, with all of his eloquence and grace, dipping in holy water, marching around, hands all up in the air. Sissy. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. Clowning and carrying on. He ought to get in Ringling Brothers, and Barnum and Bailey. Now, this ain't that kind of a show.
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19 Matthew 28:19
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Now, then just soon as you open your mouth, it's by your words that you're justified, and it's by your words are you condemned.20 If the Spirit is in you, then, then you'll see spiritual things.
But the natural man, he don't understand spiritual things, he talk like a fool to him.21 And he's around trying to show somebody how much holier that he is than somebody else. Then you got him walking around saying, 'Listen, I don't chew no tobacco. I don't smoke no cigarettes. I don't drink no whiskey. I don't do this, and I don't do that, and I don't do the other thing, and all that.' Well, how come you.., what did you quit for? Or, did you ever do it? Now, when you got, when you got started to smoking and chewing, you was lost. And when you stopped, you was still lost. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) So, either way you go, you're lost. Now, what you're telling the people not to do, that's the very thing they're doing. Let me show you what I mean. They're telling you to eat this stuff, just like the Devil told Eve out there. And here, down in the 2nd chapter of Colossians, Paul is telling, 'don't touch, don't taste.'22 Isn't that right.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Isn't that what he's telling you in the Book? Says, 'don't handle, don't touch, don't taste, and if you do, you'll perish with it.' Ain't that what he said? And somebody says, 'No sir.' You see what I'm talking about? Been there all this clowning. What are you doing that for? I wanna show you that, look, if you're going to live a Christian life, I want to see how you live well. Look, I don't live here. Paul says you are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God. Well, when Christ, who is our life, shall appear, we shall appear with Him in glory. Now, if you want to see me live, you get on up here where I am at. I don't live here, I live in that heavenly state. And I don't have to beg your indulgence. Nothing I wanna eat, nothing I wanna drink. I'll drink anything I want to, and eat anything I want to, and, if it don't make me sick, it won't bother you. And it ain't none of your business. How you like that? That's right. But that's what people are trying to do. Try and hide around, say, 'Sister and Brother So and So... Don't let them see you.' Now, you know you ain't got no the Holy Spirit in you. Then you get all worked up, and you go out there, and then peeking out from under to see whether you're going to take the communion or not. If you don't take the communion, say, 'What's the matter with you, boy? You been in to something.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) He don't want you to see him drink nothing and here out there he wants you to see him drink. That's as stupid as it gets. Now, it's time for that's out. Now, let me finish what I...
Here they come up out of here. Now the Pharaoh didn't succeed that time. Nasser is the king of.., just like Pharaoh. You can call him a premier if you want, but it's the same identical thing. And, that is what they're fighting about. The Russian army helped them to get up their armies to fight. And the Arabian king
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20 Matthew 12:37
21 I Corinthians 2:14
22 Colossians 2:21
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here, too. And now, the thing coming down to the end of this dispensation, it's repeating itself right back over, because it's repeating. It's just repeating here, repeating there, repeating, repeating. Ain't doing nothing else but repeating.
Now, let me show you this. Now, 17 years before (just have somebody show them that Temple up there) the foundation of the Herodian Temple, 17 years before He was born, Herod begins to build that Temple, 17 years, or 16 1/2, we'll just call it 17. Now, then, here He comes along. Here comes the Messiah along, and at 30... I'd rather put it this way. I'd rather put it forth at 6. Then, then you can see it in the Book. Sixteen, 16 1/2. I'm going to have it my way anyhow. 16 1/2... Now, that's 46 years. Now, 16 1/2, he laid that foundation up there for that Temple. And then, Messiah, when He was 30 years old, went...23 Now, look right at the man over there, and then watch both of them, if you can, because I want to wind up what I'm talking about. But I don't want you to... I don't want you to miss this one. Now was 30 years old when He went to be baptized. Now, if you take the 16 1/2, it's 46 years. Now, if you take John 2 and 19, He says, destroy this Temple, and I'll build it again in 3 days. The Jews said, 'our fathers was 46 years in the building of this. How sayest thou?' 46. So now then, you don't see 30 here. (DR. KINLEY IS FIGURING ON THE BLACKBOARD.) Now, He was in the ministry 3 years. Now, you either have to use this 3 1/2 here. It was actually 3 1 /2. So then, I got to use it one place or... 3 1/2, so that's 46, and 3 is 49. Is that right? That 49. Now, this is the, this is His ministry here. See that 49? Now, one more, this half here, and this half here, gives you just one more. Now, don't that make 50?24
Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: (DR. KINLEY CONTINUES WORKING ON THE BOARD.) You see that? Now look, you see that now. I'll hurry. Now, 6000, 6 days of that, point 'em out, 6... One day with the Lord is 1000 years, and 1000 years... You can see 6 days is the equivalent of 6000. Now, I'll put a stick in it. Now, I got 120, you put that up here, I got 120, 120. Well, now, one times 50... let me work it out and show you too. There you are. Then I got 2, 2 there, that's a hundred. Bring the zero down, it's 120. Is that right?25
Student Body: That's right.
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16 1/2 from foundation of Herodian temple laid to the birth of Yahshua
30 Yahshua's birth to beginning of His ministry (John 2:19)
46 1/2 John 2:19 from foundation of Herod's temple laid to beginning of
Yahshua's ministry
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46 1/2 John 2:19. foundation of Herodian temple laid to beginning of Yahshua's ministry
3 1/2 beginning of Yahshua's ministry to Pentecost
50 jubilee cycle completed at Pentecost
25 6000 years/50 years (jubilee cycle) = 120 jubilee cycles (50 years) in 6000 years
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Dr. Kinley: Noah was 120 years in building the ark. See it? You got 50 days of Pentecost. Fifty, 50 of these days of Pentecost. This is one here. 50 of them in 6000 years. Now, do you see what I'm talking about. 120. Now, I'm telling you, you're in the 120 50th, you're in the 120th years now. You can't get 50 out of here, from here to A. D. 2000.26 You'll never see it. Now, let me show you what I was talking about there. Now, this is 19... So you'll know. Now, this is 1967. Now, this is the last 50th here. 7... There's the 17 years or 16 1/2 before. So, this one that just passed, that was the 50th, that was the last 50. Does everybody understand what I'm talking about? That one's the last, and you can't get 50 from here. Now, then, watch this one. Now, here they come on out of here. There's Hussein, there's Pharaoh, here is Nasser overthrown... and they're (listen here) fighting about the Suez Canal and adjacent... and the Red Sea. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And here they.., should come on up here and show the Gulf of Aqaba. And listen, got the forces in there right now. If, if Pharaoh couldn't make it, how you think Nasser's gonna make it? When they went up through here, Moses's men fought all the way up through there. Then, how do you expect Hussein to win? Ain't nothing else but repeating itself. Then they go over here. Now they're gonna annihilate Israel up here. That's what they was gonna do. And if they just didn't do it when Joshua and them carried on through there when Moses went there, now how you expect them to do it now? Can't you see they can't do that. Said, God said, if you can destroy Israel, annihilate Israel, you can sweep down the stars. Just can't be done.
TAPE 2 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: Now, as Dr. Gross told you... Listen up at me now, and I'm through. Now then, since Abba Eban's up here at the UN, what they're trying to get the Jews and the Arabs to do, since the Abrahamic Promise, the Abrahamic Promise that they was give them come on up there, give them that land, give it. And it comes on down to the River Nile in Egypt. Give them that for an inheritance. Abraham had two sons: one by his wife, Sarah, and one by his bondwoman, Hagar, Isaac and Ishmael. And God promised to bless them both. One, bless the Arabs, or the Gentiles, through Isaac, which was a type of Messiah. And they dwelled in that land. Listen, when the children of Israel went in there to invaded this land... Now listen at me. They couldn't drive them all out of there. Eight nations were left in there. If they couldn't drive them out then, how they gonna drive 'em out now? All of the angels that sinned in Heaven was cast out, but all of them there wasn't, just wasn't sinners. This is an allegory and a type of Heaven. Now, listen at me. What they're supposed to do now is to be reconciled and to dwell in that land together at peace, through the offering up of the Messiah, reconciled both the Jews and the Gentiles. He's not Yahweh of the Jews and just leave the Gentiles out. But now then, this is what they're doing. When John says, in Revelations, it says, when they went through here, says, he saw the holy, first heaven and the first earth was passed away; and there was no more sea, they're
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26 1967 AD - 17 = 1950 AD - 2000 AD (the 120th jubilee cycle or last jubilee cycle)
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gone27 'And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her hus...' when Moses came down with that Tabernacle in his mind. Do you see that now?
Student Body Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, they done had to fight, has been up through here, all the way through. Now, the Jews, since they captured the Jordanian side of that temple up there, they're calling this, the situation they got over there, the New Jerusalem. Now, what are they looking for? They're looking for Messiah to come. And you already got Him within you. They don't understand in spiritual. And, when you see them things come to pass, your times for the Gentiles is fulfilled. Know, it's right at the door. Now, you can sit at home on your tail if you want to, and you'll be in Hell first thing you know. Talking about you and your church and you and your pastor. You understand what I'm talking about? When them things come to pass, when the time of the Gentiles fulfilled.28
And let, let me tell you this. The Jews had no king from the carrying away to Babylon, 606 years before the birth of Messiah, on down until 1948. And that hadn't been 20 years ago. When they built up that tiny state of Israel, building, taking 'em out from all the nations and all, and building it up there. Now, here's their impression. They're building it for the Messiah to come, as it was under Ezra and Nehemiah. Now, that has already happened. Now, they're gonna rebuild the thing back over. Now, here's the millennial alarmists. Now, here come the millennium. The millennial alarmists running like the Jehovah's Witnesses and them. He gonna come down here, gonna jump out of the sky, now. And then He's gonna sit here for a thousand years and rule with a rod. Now, the real truth about it is, He's upon the throne of His glory now.29 The Book told you, entered on in the veil and set down at the right hand of God, the Father.30 And all nations is before Him.
And that's what we're trying to do now, is to crack your hard head with a rod of iron, and get it in your mind that He's a quickening spirit, and He's ruling you, and as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God; not led of Peter, not led of somebody, not led of Paul, but led of the Spirit. They are the Sons of God.
You've got that governor and that control and that rod of iron, and every time you would make some kind of mistake come right down on you with that rod of iron: don't do that. Your ruler: the steps of a good man is ordered by the Lord. Every time they go to chunk some bread and wine, you say, 'Don't do that. Don't touch. Don't taste. If you do, you'll perish.' And if you want something to eat, don't bring
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27 Revelation 21:1
28 Romans 11:25
29 Hebrews 1:3
30 Hebrews 10:20
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it up here in the congregation of the assembly. It never was done that way. Then, if that's true that way, can't you see they're all doing it wrong according to the scriptures. Jehovah's Witnesses, 'But we don't do it but once a year.' I don't care if it is just one time a year, that's one time that it's just gonna be wrong, cause it just isn't done that way.
They baptizing a whole lot of people. They had Yankee Stadium converts here not too long ago, seven years, not too long ago. And there they was, out there baptizing. And a fellow got out there, one Jehovah's Witness, I know he's right. Stepped off in the deep out there and he...
Student Body: drowned.
Dr. Kinley: drowned. Now, that's the truth. Here wintertime comes. It's cold up in the North. And what they used to do is send me to baptize, warm some water there behind the pool. If it's all that important, why don't you go down there and break some ice down there, and get baptized. It's too cold. If it's too cold to get baptized, you're showing Hell too hot... too hot to go to Hell. Do you understand what I'm talking about? The weather gets so cold, it freeze up a cake of ice. Now, they want you to break that because Jesus said, 'get baptized in the water.' It don't make good sense. People got the new moon and all every other kind, trying to do these things naturally so.
And it's, what's the bad part of it, your conscience is condemning you. You know you ain't right. You've got it right in your conscience. And, let me say this, for the sake of the ministry. Say listen, you preachers that's got license, don't, do, don't you... This is the wrong place to do any playing now. If you just don't have it, and you just ain't gonna do the thing right, then set down. You'll lose your soul. If you can't behave yourself at home and abroad, and all of them different kinda things, don't nobody want to be worried with you no how. And I'm talking to all of you and everybody else that's in here. Just might as well make it clear. I'm not trying to tell somebody we will revoke your license, or nothing like that. We want you to preach. We want you to be sincere. We want you to be in earnest about it. We want you to quit hypocritting around, if that's what you been doing. That piece of paper don't license you to hypocrite. It's your soul. You're needed. There ain't but a few people around in the world that's got the Holy Spirit. And you come on clean. And you go on down there and preach it, preach it just like it was the last time. And don't spare nobody, because we was given an answer for this uproar that we're having in the judgement. And it's gonna be real soon.
No, you're not going to just keep on going and just keep on going and say well, next week, or next month I'll get straightened out. Don't, don't, don't take no chance on that, Freddy. Let me tell you the next feast days is coming up. The 10th day of October. You don't know you're gonna get by like you did the 6th day of June. You don't know that. I done told you, this period is gone. Now the people are in... This is the last, this is the last Pentecost. That's why we had the meeting in 1967. Somebody said, 'Well, I'm too busy. I can't go. I'm this, I'm that... Listen you gonna be here.' Get rid of that stuff. Get straightened out. Somebody said, 'Listen, I'm tired. I've worked hard all day, and I'm losing my
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sleep and all.' Listen, that junk's got to go. Paul preached all night, and I've preached all night many times. Haven't I Clifford? And you fired the furnace. They wouldn't let me quit.
And here, you're looking at the clock. Why don't you stay home and look at the clock? What do you wanna come down and look at the clock and worry me to death for? I'm trying to get something over to you. You're too busy for this, and you're too busy for that. Say listen, you're gonna have plenty of business to take care of, if there is any such thing as shoveling coal, you'll have a job shoveling coal pretty soon. Of course, there is no such thing. It's worse than that. Then somebody sitting, 'Well, if you're just going to get burnt up and that's all there is to it...' Said, 'That won't take long.' Ain't nothing but crazy. And they're walking around.
You'd better get on away from there. You know that? Warned you to flee from the wrath of God. And listen, the wrath of God, you can't take it. You just can't take it. Let me show you that you can't. There's people all over the world... Some of these orthopedic specialists, just put out a joint, there's something wrong with your back, and there you go. And here you go... You'd do anything to straighten it out, that nerve, and that bone... (DR. KINLEY MAKES SCREAMING NOISES FOR PAIN.) Now, if you can't stand something like that, don't you see, you can't stand the wrath of God. Hurt you so bad, and all that kinda thing. And I've seen them in the hospitals, just, just, just, just trembling' and shaking' and just hollering all the time. Nervous systems tore all to pieces. I know Dr. Harris has seen it. Toothache or, and the, or whole nervous system.
Now you can set down. You can set down and relax, and kind of think, and see where you are. You, you may not get past 19.., you may not get into 1968. They're talking about the presidential campaigns in 1968. And let me tell you this. I wouldn't guarantee you that if you get down to 1970. 1970 and 30 would be 2000, wouldn't it. Now that's where He went in His ministry at 30. You might make it down to 30. I can't promise you that. This '67 here, you'd best straighten up and fly right, get rid of some of them excuses, some of them alibis, and quit your fooling, cause if you don't, you'll lose your soul. You're right at the place now where you just about... Paul said, 'Be not weary in well-doing, for in due season you will reap, if you faint not,31 just don't faint. Listen, this is no place to faint now. We've worked down too close to it now for us to come up with some little old flimsy alibi.
Now, I wanted to tell you about that, because I want you to see what that war was that's going on. I want you to understand it. It's one of the repetitions. Now, when they did that, they was preparing for Messiah to come. When Nehemiah and Ezra went up there and built Jerusalem unto the Messiah, now, they was looking for Messiah to come. Now, He's been here. Now, they're doing the same thing, denying Him then; and now they're looking for Him to come.
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But you know that you have Him in you as a quickening spirit. And you can't go around here fooling... You ain't fooling nobody but yourself, and you will lose your soul if you don't straighten up and fly right. And live it every day, every hour, and every minute. I can't tell you to do that, and you can't do it, if you don't have something to do it with. You can't make it on your own. Somebody say, 'Well, I tell you right now, I'm gonna straighten up and fly right.' No, you ain't. You won't do nothing but make a mess out of it, if you don't buckle down and get the Spirit. There ain't nothing you can do. Say, 'Well, I ain't gonna drink no more whiskey. I ain't gonna drink none.' That ain't gonna help none, you got to apologize, repent, straighten up, fly right.
And listen, here's something else I want you to know. Listen at this one. Paul said forsake not to assemble yourselves together, as the manner of some is; and the much more you see the day approaching.32 Can't you see from here where you are? You're griping around about having a meeting on Wednesday, and Friday, and Sunday. That was a daily ministration. They preached all day, a daily thing. Every day.
Roman Catholics is an every day. The Devil, he don't lay off no days. God don't either. Said, 'Well, I wouldn't mind coming down there if you didn't keep us down there so long.' Well, what are you gonna do when you're lost? Eternity... The harvest is passed, and you're yet not saved.33
And all that Israel did was just gripe, and gripe, and gripe, and gripe. That's what Paul told you in the 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians. Said they just murmured and complained and griped about everything. If we don't have no meeting, they griped about that. We had two meetings a week; they griped about that. And when we didn't have none, they griped about that. And then, when they got down here, even after said they wanted it, then they griped about being down here. Now, what are you supposed to do? Let's go. I hope you got something.
STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS
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32 Hebrews 10:25
33 Jeremiah 8:20
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1967 FIRST NATIONAL CONVENTION: FIRST SPIRITUAL SESSION:
I HEARD A VOICE FROM HEAVEN AND THE SIGN WILL FOLLOW
by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Salvation Army Hall, 117 West High Street, Springfield, Ohio
recorded by Burbank Davies Mitchell on reel to reel recorder
transferred to audio cassette by Geraldine Rothstein
2 90 minute audio cassettes
CATALOG #: 67.0715
transcribed by Dr. Sandra Giragosian
proofread by Michael Rothstein and Geraldine Rothstein
Proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Dr. Geraldine Rothstein: This is July, the 15th, 1967, at the annual convention of the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, the Salvation Army Hall, 117 West High Street, Springfield, Ohio. This is on Saturday. It's the first spiritual session, from 2:00 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. The first speaker was Dr. Oliver Gill from Ohio. The second speaker is Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Moderator: It is my pleasure at this time to introduce the second speaker, who will be our Founder and Dean, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I'm indeed happy and glad to be with you at this time. And for this special occasion, I hope and trust that you will pay strict attention to everything that is said in this meeting, and weigh it carefully. It is for
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your benefit and your learning.
Now, we didn't come here to make apologies, to try to get along with any ecclesiastical or any political groups, or to stay in harmony with anybody. And I want you to recognize and to realize that.
Sitting over there, I perceived that the acoustics in this building have a resound or an echo, to such an extent it's hard to understand the voice of the speaker. And too while I was sitting there, I noticed that the people moving about from one place to the other, tapped their feet against the floor, and that vibration, and what not, is distracting and disturbing. Now, I never like to complain about things of that nature and so on, and about the babies crying and what not, and about you talking to someone next to you, and so forth and so on. But now, if you understood, like I am going to try and attempt to tell you this afternoon, you will realize the value of the expression by the Prophet Isaiah. This is what he said: Be still, and know that I am God. God is in His holy sanctuary, let the earth keep silence before Him.1
History shows, with all the multiplicity of sions on the face of the earth, and you do know that they are here. You have no way to deny. In the 24th chapter of Matthew, Messiah said many false prophets, not a few, so don't you read a few into the text. It says many false prophets shall go out in the world. And He said many, not a few, many would be deceived by them. Now, you know somebody must be wrong, that the many are here now in the world. And as the Apostle John said, and I want you to read that, and wake up on this many.
Now, listen, let me make it clear, distinct. Now, I'm striving with all that in me is to speak in such a way, waste no words, but direct and positive about the things I'm saying to you.
Now, if you notice, we said in the 24th chapter of Matthew, Messiah said before He died, many false prophets shall go out into the world, and many would be deceived by them. Now, here's John after this, in AD 90, he is telling you there that they have now already gone out into the world. And I call heaven and earth direct, upon my soul, that I speak the truth. And I am not lying. And I want you to know as a fact, and an assurance. I want you to become conscious of it.
Yahweh has sent me to preach the gospel to you in this last day. Now, I don't mean to be puffing myself up, or anything like that. But I have been working with this for 35 years, and I have met the most brilliant, academically trained, theological and scientific-minded people that there is in this world. And they have not been able to refute nothing I said. Now, listen, I mean that goes for Popes, Cardinals, politicians, presidents, all of them. We've had a lot of them said, 'I don't believe it.' I expect to have opponents and adversaries, and I am trying my best to tell
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you that they have already gone out in the world. I want the statement verified and confirmed by an apostle speaking by the Holy Spirit.
And I would like to say this. Now, it's not characteristic of me to take a text in the Bible. That's not my nature to call myself taking a text. The whole universe, and Yahweh Himself, and as Paul said, I am determined not to know anything among you, except Messiah or Yahshua the Messiah, Him crucified, yea rather risen from the dead.2 So, you can see by that, that I'm pretty stupid, because I don't know anything else but that. And I don't have to spend no weeks, writing up nothing on no script nor nothing like that. I don't have to worry with that, because I don't intend for it to be me stating anything. And now Messiah said this. Now, you go and He would speak through you. Listen. And He said, these signs shall follow them that believe. If you know anything about hieroglyphics, which is a sign language... Hebrew is a sign language. Now, when Yahweh spoke in the creation of this world, and said let there be light, the sign followed. In other words, there was light there..
Student Body: Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: So now, I said that to say this. Since I have come in the world and I have spoke for 35 years, and every time I tell you something, that God Himself told me to tell you; yes, we have plenty people that don't believe it, more of them than there is of those that do believe it, but the sign followed.
Student Body: Right. All right.
Dr. Kinley: Everybody can't get it right, but the sign follows. Now, what am I talking about? Pope John the 23rd thought that he was the lahrone. He called together an ecumenical council, convened in 1962. I wrote a book, and copyrighted it in 1961. Watch the sign. I can't rub it out. It's printed there, page 133. He said that he wanted to live to see another Pentecostal season. Now he said he wanted to live. He wasn't feeling so good. His ulcers had flared up on him. And he called and asked five hundred and fifty million Roman Catholics to pray that he might live to see another Passover season.
Five hundred and fifty million, those that had been taken out of purgatory. Pope says this: bind on earth, in heaven. Put them in. Even put Mary, Pope Pius, 1950, said that he put Mary, the Mother of God, in heaven, whole soul and body, in 1950. I'm talking about the power and the authority that they claim to have. Men and women are running their hands in their pockets and paying them money, all every which a way to pray their people out of Purgatory, paying for it. Listen closely, 550,000,000 people associated with that movement were asked to pray that he might live to see June the 6th that year. Understand clearly now? And I
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wrote down in the book in 1961,3 that he would not see June the 6th, 1963. The sign followed. The man died, died June, the 3rd. Now, do you want to say you don't believe it? Search the record. You get it? I told you the history of the world. Thirty-five years, and haven't made no mistake with it.
I said presidents. President Roosevelt would be nominated and elected as President of the United States of America, and he wouldn't be in the White House one year from that day. Go back and look at the record and see if the sign didn't follow. Man was dead.
Cardinal Stritch in Chicago, that knows so much about everything... I was standing in the pulpit, as I am now, and I said, 'Cardinal Stritch just died in Chicago. The last breath just left his body.'
Student Body: That's right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And there is people setting right in this audience... Please get up. Somebody went out to the car. Thank you, sit down. And it was on the air, just died. I didn't have no chance to go out and see nothing about it.
John F. Kennedy... I said he would be nominated, elected, and assassinated. And I think I could prove that the sign followed. These signs shall follow them that believe. I say it is foolish for any man to try to argue against God.
I said there would be an earthquake in Alaska, and told you the date, the 27th of March. And I think I can prove it by you, stiff-necked atheists, agnostics, hypocrites, backbiters, liars, and everybody else, that there was an earthquake in Alaska, and you can't deny it. Now, what I'm trying to do is this. I'm trying to tell you that I am not just another extemporaneous orator, trying to be a big shot, or something like that, and demand respect of the public. Now, it don't make me no difference. It makes you the difference, whether you believe it or not. Paul said, I am not ashamed of the gospel.4 Well, why aren't you ashamed of it? Because it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes, to the Jew first and then unto the Gentile. And when Yahweh speaks through this body, the power of God... I don't do no trembling about it. And I don't trust it to chance. It happens.
Now, if I tell you what's going on all over the world, now, you can stand around and say, 'I don't believe it,' if you want to, but it's happening just the same. Now, there's always somebody running up in my face, and saying, 'Look, I'm of this, I'm of that, I'm of the other.' Talking about the various different churches that they belong to. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
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4 Romans 1:16
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Dr. Kinley: I would have you to know that we wrote the book. I don't know, I think its here somewhere. If it ain't, we've got it in Springfield. And I sent it to the Vatican. I sent it to all of your religious leaders in the world, both Protestants and Catholics. Here is the book. And I disputed everything they taught. It was at the International Council of Churches. You heard me. I said International Council of Churches, in New Delhi, India. And my aim was to get that book out in one year before the Council convened, so they would have time to kick it around under the foot, between times, glance in, all them different kind of things. I knew they wasn't gonna read it like they should. So, I give them a year to kick it around under the foot, or sell it to the second-hand store, and somebody else to pick it up, or something. I knew... I know what's going on.
And I said in there that the world of Christiandoom was wrong. They read the book at the Council, and that was the thing that governed the International Council of Churches in New Delhi, India. And your publisher was setting right there beside of the man that was conducting the services at the International Council of Churches. Your pastors and ____ and president and so forth and so on, that belong to that united ____ and they admitted that they was wrong, and put it in the paper that they was wrong, and they had to go back and study. They had misled the people. Am I lying, Dr. Harris? We've got the script, and it came out of the paper, too.
belong to that united and they admitted that they was wrong, and put it in the paper that they was wrong, and they had to go back and study. They had misled the people. Am I lying, Dr. Harris? We've got the script, and it came out of the paper, too.
So now, you quit trying to defend something that you don't know anything about. Get settled down. Listen. Listen attentively. You ought to be able to catch me in a lie within 35 years. And if you can't catch me in a lie in 35 years, you're never gonna be saved nohow. You just don't have the wisdom to discern the difference between truth and error.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And it's impossible for me to stand around and lie for 35 years. And then, people who are not mentally deranged safe to walk around on the street, and they can't catch me within 35 years. And I told you what's going on all over the world for 35 years.
Now, I want you to know this. I'm not bragging and boasting on myself. I admit my insufficiency. But, as the Apostle Paul said, our sufficiency is of God.5 Yes, a long time ago I quit preaching. I preached 15 years in the Church of God, and quit. I haven't preached any more since.
Student Body: (LAUGHTER ACCOMPANIES STATEMENTS) All right. That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: That's right. Quit preaching. When I had that vision and a revelation come direct from Him, I quit preaching right there. And He went to speaking through me. That's the reason why there's no failure in it. There isn't any failure in it. I don't have a thing to boast about or to be all stuck up about. I want you to realize that. I want you to be conscious of it.
Now, people have tried to say this. Oh, no, I haven't forgot. People say this, 'Well, you all are following that man, and he is just another educated fool.' Now, Dr. Gill told you about the education. They say... This is about my reputation. They say, 'He's slick, and he's just educated. Yeah, he's good when it comes to extemporaneous oratory. He's good. But you know, I want to tell you something.' Say, 'That man don't know what he's talking about.'
Now, that makes me have to tell you about my education. Now, they misconstrued and misjudged me there. And I do have witnesses sitting right at my feet that know the truth about it. I went to the 6th grade of elementary school in Springfield, Ohio, and failed.
Student Body: (LAUGHS) All right.
Dr. Kinley: Went out of there and went to work in the shop. I do not possess what you would describe as a formal education, graduated at some seminary or college, or university. But I'm happy to report, that I have taught those who held some of the highest credentials there is on earth, and they have went to school under me. And my education did not come by the way of the college on earth But I wanna let you know, I got a good one. Don't you misjudge that. Don't you misconstrue it. I know everything. I've been everywhere. I've seen everybody That'll almost bring me up to my text. Fourteenth chapter of Revelations verse 2.
Dr. Mary Gross: And I heard a voice from heaven,
Dr. Kinley: And I, I heard a voice from heaven,
Dr. Mary Gross: as the voice of many waters,
Dr. Kinley: as the voice of many waters,
Dr. Mary Gross: and as the voice of a great theat thunder. That will do. I heard a voice from heaven.
Student Body: Yes. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: I said, I heard a voice from heaven, not from the Vatican, not from the general council of man. It come from heaven.
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These are the words spoken of by the Apostle John on the Isle of Patmos. And I want to tell you something else about that, too. Do you remember that when Peter and this same John was walking there in Jerusalem, and just about to enter the Temple, there was a man sitting at the Gate Beautiful. Is that right?
Student Body: Right. Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Looking for alms. And Peter and them said, 'Look on up. Look on us. Silver and gold, we don't have none, but such as they have, give I unto thee in the name, no, not Jesus Christ, but Yahshua the Messiah. Rise up and walk.'6 Thirty-five years, and immediately took him by the hand, and his ankle bones received strength. And he went on in the Temple. I want you to know what's in the Temple now. The Sanhedrin Council, the seventy of the smartest, the smartest they had in there. Nothing else they could do, but confess that it was a miracle, although they claimed not to believe in the resurrection, and give power of vengeance to go out there and put them to death that did believe. Now here's Peter and John, and they brought them up before the Council, just like they've had me on the carpet.
The Sanhedrin Council, the scribes, the smart boys, and they said, got off in the corner, and said, 'that was a notable miracle, and we can't deny it.' My Bible says, 'we can't deny it. Now, what do we do?' Said, 'put them in jail.' And they put them in jail, until they had time to give them a trial, to bring them up before the Council. And they got their heads together. And when they brought 'em out of there. Now listen, here's what I wanna tell you. I wanna tell you about that academic training now, and about the wisdom of the wise, the 70 elders that was so smart and so wise.
And when they brought Peter and John up for trial, they perceived that they were ignorant and unlearned men.7 What am I talking about? 'Now, what are we gonna do about these ignorant and unlearned men? And neither one of 'em has the sense to sit at the foot of Gamaliel and none of the rest of the assembly.' And this same man, John, was Peter's companion, that wrote the book of Revelations. Do you understand? And they were standing before the Council. Brought there... There was that man standing there whole that could speak for himself ____ ____ for a long time. And there he was walking around there, and they said, 'we can't deny a stupendous miracle, and ignorant and unlearned men have come, and we can't deny.' He's the one that saw, about 63 years, or 66 years after, here's the same man out here on the Isle of Patmos. And he said, 'I heard a voice.' Not from t, not from the Vatican, it wasn't from that. He's the one that saw that happened, it was by the Power of Yahweh that that man was walking.
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And nobody, I don't care how much education you have, or how much learning you have, I want to know what the Lord has to say about it. Wonderful miracles you can't deny. Heard that voice from heaven. Now listen, John was told. Now you listen at me. He was told, on the Isle of Patmos. That's what he was out there was for the witness and testimony. Yahweh has sent and signified, and confirmed by His angel. Listen, and He told John. Now, what you see and hear, write it the book. Somebody said, they won't believe it, neither will they understand it. But write it in the book. Write it. Standing around every which a way, 'I don't believe Revelation cause I don't understand it.' He's right.
But I just wanna inform you, you don't understand Revelations. That's the end, then you don't know nothing about the beginning. Why? Because the end is declared from the beginning. If you don't understand Revelation, you don't know nothing about no parts ____ ____. Many things happen, but what is just constant over, and over, and over, and over, repeating over and over.
Now, I want you to see what I am talking about, when I say I heard a voice from heaven. He's not the only one that heard that voice. I wanna let you know that I heard that voice from heaven, and I have been preaching to you whatever was in that book for 35 years, and there hasn't been anybody from anywhere that's been able to refute and dispute. And if you think there is anybody that can dispute it, bring 'em on down to the convention.
And I want you to know something else, too. Right here in Springfield, Ohio, we've had them from your various churches, right in this town, Springfield, ____ West State Street, five of 'em from the various different ecclesiastical organizations that said I was wrong. Well look, if I'm wrong, I want everybody in town, everybody in the world to know it. 'No, come on back in the corner over here.' He said, ____. The thing wasn't done in the corner.
They wanted to talk to me alone and aside in the park. I but I'm smarter than that. I am smarter than that. And listen, you don't need no divine revelation to be smarter than that. Any stupe, anywhere, ought to know five men already opposed to you. Already stating that you was wrong. And they come down, 'Because we love you, and we want to correct you. And we want to chastise you. You're a good man. And we don't wanna see you lost, because you're preaching and teaching is wrong.' And listen, anybody that stupid to make a statement like that, and they had never been there, always going on with what somebody else said about it, and they never been there themselves. Now they come down. I said, 'No, I want everybody in town to know.' Said, 'I want it put in the paper and if possible a headline.'
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Dr. Kinley: I won't tell you the names, but there's people setting right under the sound of my voice that heard it. No, they didn't want it in the paper. They said, 'Well, who's gonna help you?' Help me do what?
Student Body: (LAUGHTER)
Dr. Kinley: 'Help you debate. There's five of us, and there's only one of you. You could get one of your students or one of your people to help you.' When I read my book. Isaiah 63 says: Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah, traveling in the greatness of His strength? Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like unto one that treadeth the winefat alone, in the fierceness of His anger? The answer come back: I heard that voice from heaven. It's I that speaketh in righteousness, mighty in deed, and with My own arm brought salvation down. And there was none with Me to help. If you can lick me, you got the rest of 'em licked.
Student Body: All right. (LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: Get the point? ____ ____ ____. You got to take on all of them. I challenge the world.. That's what this meeting is all about. We claim to have the truth, and the sign follows, because I heard that voi, not from the Ecumenical Council, from no man on earth; it come direct from heaven. And for 35 years I have proved it. And you know just as well as I do, it wouldn't even make sense for me to stand around and say that I could go to a college, or a seminary somewhere and receive such an education as that. Listen. We have people that have been raised from the dead sitting right here ____ ____ ____. We've got 'em setting right here in this audience, that have been healed with cancer, healed of all kinds of diseases. Sitting here looking me in the face, from your city of Springfield hospital, from Cincinnati. We've got 'em setting here looking me in the face. And the records show, and not only that, somebody always wants to say, 'Well, there wasn't nothing the matter with you in the first place, You have maybe the ____ or something or other like that. You oughta have went to the drug store and got something.' No, it's not like that. Wasn't no quack doctors either. Say these things, Well now, look, each time the ____ that believe and that you might know that it is not me, and I cannot do nothing of myself. Then, you will have to admit, if there's something done about it, it must be Yahweh, it must be that voice from heaven, the sign will follow: curing cancer, telling you what's going on all over the world about the kings, the queens, the diplomats, and the politicians, and everybody else. Got to do it. A voice from heaven.
And I did a doctorate discourse, and it completely transformed and revolutionized my concept. Would you mind standing up? This man... Turn around here so they can see you and know you the next time when they see you, You done a fine job in front of these folks. They be around telling the folks that he ain't no good, black doctor, there ain't much to him. And I have had some of them to say, say to me, too. Listen, I don't want no Negro doctor. People are so stupid until
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it is not funny. Now, this is one of the doctors, medical doctors, and the patient was his own uncle. And listen,ons sitting in this audience. And we have his wife setting in this audience. I mean now. And this man said, this doctor said, that he had to die.
Dr. Harris: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And did you tell them to send for Farley's relatives?
Dr. Harris: Yes, I did.
Dr. Kinley: You said that.
Dr. Harris: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: You admit it.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: All right. You see what I mean. Do, do you catch the point? Well, I said, 'No, he will not die.' Now, he can tell you more about it, what all was the matter with the man. It was immaterial to me. It wouldn't have made any difference if it had just been a bad cold. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And then, when I said he wouldn't, wouldn't die, now, he wants to know. He's been to Maharie College. He has his degrees. He is a licensed doctor to practice medicine, just like any other doctor in this town or in this state. And he also has license to practice medicine in the State of California. Just like any other doctor out there.
Student Body: That's a fact. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: He had to pass it by the medical board. Now, that man said this other man had to die. And he admitted it, didn't he?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, did he die?
Dr. Harris: No.
Dr. Kinley: Then, he wants to know who I am, who do I think I am. Now his folks are sitting here. Get the point? He didn't die. Just two words spoken: 'Farley, live.' That was not me. It was the voice from heaven commanded that man to live. And I am telling you just what He, like when He passed by Israel and saw her polluted in her own blood. He said, 'Live.' And you say he lived.
Dr. Harris: That is right.
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Dr. Kinley: That's right. He lived about nine years after. And when he did die, he didn't die of no cancer. 'Well,' somebody says, 'he's a quack. He don't know.' But look, them people down there at the hospital, they told him, and sent the man out of the hospital to die. So they confirmse of this meeting. I want you to understand what it's all about.
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Now, you know better. When he did come here, nine or ten years after, to that man's funeral, he told them... Everybody wants to rush to see Dr. Harris. He's one of the greatest doctors they ever ever heard tell of. If you can bring a man from that low state, he is a real good doctor. Ain't that right? Now, that was a break for him to capitalize on. And they begin to crowd in on him.
Dr. Harris: That's right. They did.
Dr. Kinley: Is that right?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That man passed nine or ten years after, I don't... Huh?
Dr. Harris: About nine years.
Dr. Kinley: About nine years. Instead of dying of cancer of the hernia, and if he just took some care of that, that wasn't necessary.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, now this same man, when he tried to tell the people, that it wasn't him that did it, cause the man never even took the medicine he left him. Am I telling that thing straight Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: All right. Now then, when he sees and understands something about what it is. You see where he's at, don't you? He's at the convention. Found out what it's all about. Then he come back and he's talking around about that man, Dr. Kinley. Said, 'Hold it. You did give him some medicine.' 'I didn't. You done more for him than I did.' 'I haven't done nothing for him. I'm not going to take the credit for what happened. Say, look what I done. Cause I didn't do anything for him. I can't even help my ownself. So how am I gonna do something for you?'
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I want you to realize the reality of what I'm talking about. Now, it he wouldn't take no credit for it. I wouldn't take no credit for it. So then, you know it just have to be the boss.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, do you see what I'm talking about?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen folks. I can't take credit. Thankem in all kinds of conditions. Set still. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) We'll get to you when your turn comes. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS LOUDER) How am I doing? Am I doing all right?
Dr. Mitchell: He's talking to Dr. Williams.
Dr. Kinley: Well, all right. I'm gonna tell you just a little bit about it. I'm just only trying to wake you up in this meeting, so you'll come on back, so that you'll find out that there is something here.
Student Body: Yes. Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's what I'm doing. Now, I've said, I said it a while ago, and if you didn't hear me, I'm repeating it. I've said the religious organizations of Christendoom is wrong. Now, they're just... 'Oh, the Church of Christ can't be wrong.' And I've had them in Jehovah's Witness say, 'Oh no, you haven't got anybody from our organization in your group. We know we're right.' And you know how it is when they come to your house, they want you to sit down, shut up, and listen. Ain't that right. Said, 'You don't have nobody from our group, cause we know we got the truth.' Well, we do have 'em. If there's anybody in this building that belonged to Jehovah's Witnesses, and made a thorough study of Jehovah's Witnesses's doctrine, please stand up. Yes sir. You wrote translations and everything else. And right in this town, Springfield, Ohio, we beat Jehovah's Witnesses into humble submission, and made 'em stand right up and tell their audience that they was wrong. We did that. Now, if I had not have heard a voice from heaven I couldn't have done that. These boys are sharp. They have the, they wrote this: New World Trans... See how big it is? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) We brought it along, so you would be sure to realize that we know what they got there. And this fellow here, this is... Now, it's your turn. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Mitchell: It's Dr. Williams.
Dr. Kinley: Now, this is one of the big shots. Educator in the Church of Christ. Now, they know they're right. Get it now? You see where he's at. He belongs to this school. He’s an authority in it. And we had a debate, and our agreement was winner take all.
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Dr. Lasalle Williams: That's right. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: And we agreed to fight it on down to the hilt. Is that almost right?
Dr. Williams: Correct. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And we wrestled together. He kept his word. That's why he's here. And he just happened to be out one time, cause we was fighting right straight along. He happened to be out one time, and they thought that they didn't have nobody right at hand as smart as he was, so they had one a little further down the line than him, to come out and accuse me. And that man... Now, you talk about preaching the gospel, trying to save somebody, I would say that the man actually did not have even good manners. And he got up there and spoke, telling me to shut up. And I haven't said nothing.
Student Body: That's right. That's the truth.
Dr. Kinley: And ranted, raved, and carried on, and quoted, and when he got through speaking, he walked out of the meeting ____ ____ betting there. And the next time I seen that man, I'll show you just how stupid people are, the next time I seen that man, he was paralyzed. And here they come, rolling him in. And then, the men right under him, had the gall and the nerve to get up and say... 'Now, here's your break. You're such a wonderful, divine healer. Here's your opportunity. Do your stuff.' Now, would you be that stupid, to withstand God to His face and then demand that he heal. Would you be that stupid? You all were sitting there. Am I lying?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Said, 'now, if you were so great, here's your chance to add another paralytic setting there.' And I saw that man in that wheelchair, that belonged to the Church of Christ, that didn't even have manners enough to know how to treat a guest. And about of 30 of you were setting there and saw it. Moore, I'm talking about. Wanna write a letter and ask about it, he knows about it. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley:w one out there in the audience with me in our group, that knew better than that junk and stuff I was teaching. And here, this man, the only one man out of that whole group, Church of Christ, God put him right on his back. He didn't even know where he was. Unconscious. In the hospital, and I had to go and see about him, and send somebody to hunt him up. Every morning standing there and defied the truth. And God put him down. 'He was so great. Do your number.' And God just put him flat on his back. Doctors expected him to die. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: In the hospital, and come with the group, and admitted it, too. ____ more than the man that was in the wheelchair. And here he lived to testify for himself, and testify that this is the truth. And not only that, it is the power of God. And listen, I'll have you know, you have never had no kind of disease that God can't heal. And let me say this, what business do you have having confidence in God to heal your physical body, when you, when he reached down back there and took them out of the grave that had been dead 4,000 years, and then can't heal your body? It don't make sense. You're walking around here as living evidence. Oh, there are just a lot of 'em setting around here. That's why they're here. Have I been, have I been lying?
Dr. Williams: You've told the truth, every word of it. Even more.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. He'll preach right. And let me tell you this. When that thing happened... You've got a Church of Christ here. They said, 'Well, he's a jackleg.' Uh, uh. This is, this is in the book. He's one of the educated staff in the Church of Christ. Did we prove to you that water baptism is wrong?
Dr. LaSalle Williams: Absolutely.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you. You may sit down.
You will hear the testimonies of many things which I don't have time to tell you about, that prove that I heard a voice from heaven. And I'm not around here trying to exalt myself. I've told you I don't ____. And ir. And my promotion and demotion and all that kinda thing that you folks can give me, and anything you say about me, it don't make me no difference. Now, if the folks around can't find something to lie on them. Go right ahead and lie on me. ____ ____ ____ ____ I can stand it. I won't have to pay for them lies.
But I will say this. Science, and nobody else, nobody dead and incorruptible, and nobody alive on earth, that almost took in everybody, has performed any greater miracles. The sign following them that believe,8 than what they have that black boy you see standing here behind this black mask. The records will prove it. I've told you the history of the world. I told you what was gonna happen in Jerusalem, Egypt, and everything. Told you from one meeting to the other what gun was gonna fire, and what they was gonna do. Why? How did you know that?
Just like I told them about the Korean War here in your 'Springfield Daily News.' They said, 'Well he don't know what he's talking about.' I'm not trying to preach, I'm trying to tell you something. 'He don't what he's talking about.' I said, 'Listen, I'll be back here in 16 and 60 days, uh 60 days. 118 East Main Street, Springfield, Ohio, you got the address in your 'Springfield Daily News.' And there's the man that took me down there. Stand up. Thank you, sit down.
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They said, 'There ain't gonna be no war in Korea.' Said, 'He's a smart man, but he don't know what he's talking about.' I said, 'I'll be back in 60 days. When I get back here, they'll be fighting.' They was. And the press said to me down here, we got the article, you cut it out of the paper and you saved it. They was fighting like that. They said, 'Well, how did you know that?' 'How did you know that they wasn't gonna be?'
I heard a voice from upstairs. And that's how I've been able to tell you what's going on all over the world. I don't have to ask nobody about nothing. And haven't I stood and told you, day by day, month by month, year by year, and . Now that's just the results of these charts.
And I wanna tell you things and ____, and you can dispute it to suit yourself, there isn't anybody on earth know any thing more about it than me. And I wrestle with the big boys, the big shots. Here, we have a little fellow here, pretty tall man, heard me make statements like that. Went to New York, went up in the university. And he was dumbfounded and surprised to know that they didn't know no more about what they was talking about. That's right. Just didn't know.
Now, folks, I wanna give it to you straight. And I wanna give it to you so you can understand. Now listen. It's possible for you to know. That is the purpose of this meeting. I told you that before you come. It is possible for you to know everything that there is to be known about God. You can learn it in this meeting, this week. I mean during these seven days, if you have the patience to come here. Fix you so you don't have to depend on nobody, so that you can answer all them ____.
Now, you can't ask, I'm talking to you, talking right to your nose, you can't ask me no questions I can't answer. Now that's, that's, this is not the first time I've said that. I been saying that for 35 years, and I haven't backseated nobody ____ question that I can't answer. And listen, let me say this, let me tell you this: to be real honest about it, people have called theirselves real sharp and smart, haven't even got intelligence enough to ask a deep divine question. So I have to ask my own questions.
Student Body: That's right. LAUGHTER
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's the truth. And I want you to understand, I'm not bragging or boasting. And I'm telling you that it is possible for you to know the same thing. And it's time for you to know. And we have proved these things to these other people that have been in attendance. Listen, you never will learn out there in these sects, and cults, and things. It's not out there for you to learn. They don't know nothing about it. Now, read my book.
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Now you listen what we’re gonna read. Now, you listen. You remember what I told you about John and Peter. How they were ignorant and unlearned men. And how the council beat 'em and sent 'em out, and said, 'Listen. Let me tell you something.' Said, 'Just don't preach no more in that name. Whatever you do, just don't preach no more in that name..'
'We've got the Spirit' Peter said. 'You be the judge, whether it's right in the sight of Yahweh. You be the judge, Sanhedrin Council, whether it's right for us to obey.'9 And they went right on preaching, ignorant and unlearned men, when it comes to what they call education.
Here's one out here, the same man that was with Pete, out here on the Isle of Patmos, the same heard a voice from heaven. Said, 'what you see, and hear, write in the book.'10 Send it to the Vatican.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: To be imprimatured.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Send it to the seven churches, which are in Asia, Asia. We'll tell you why he sent it there during this week. And they said that Peter went to Rome and died in Rome. They buried him in the ____ ____. That's a barefaced lie. He never even set his toenails in Rome, and we can prove it. And I'll tell you why that they have to say that.
Now, when you see, 24th chapter of Matthew the 15th verse, now, when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy Place, whosoever readeth let him understand. Understand where the Holy Place is, what it is. Know where to stand, when you see it. And I have told you right down, and the Apostle Paul said, if we credit him with the epistle to the Hebrews, he said forsake not to assemble yourselves together, for such as the manner of some is, and the much more you see the day approaching.11 Is that what he said?
Student Body: Yes.
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10 Revelation 1:11
11 Hebrews 10:25
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Dr. Kinley: Now, here you sit. You got the paper this morning. If you can't see it, it's because you're stonetory pattern. I want you to see what I'm talking about. Egypt, Nasser, down here. This is the Red Sea. Pharaoh in trouble. Nasser's a pharaoh, too. And listen, He even got to name the man, named the man Nasser. No sir. Shall I enter Israel? No, sir. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You can read it in the paper. They were prepared. Russian ____ ____ the equipment. And they were prepared. Look at this paper here, represented by the Phoenix. Israel's down in Egypt, following 'em to the Red Sea. Pharaoh's overthrown in the Red Sea. Pharaoh. Are you listening now?
Then we go on into the wilderness. That's between the River Jordan and the Red Sea. And the man's named Nasser. And here's King Hussein. Now, who is sane? ____ you. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You see what it's all about? You don't know... If you understand these things, who's sane. And here they are prepared to jump on, John on the Isle of Patmos said, that I saw the beast rise up out of the sea, the beast rise up out of the sea.12 Don't you know Pharaoh was overthrown in the Red Sea. And he's looking right back yonder ____ ____ looking right back at the migration, and seen that beast overthrown in that sea. The beast that John saw was like a leopard. Now, you can get you some soap and water and the very best that Proctor and Gamble makes, you cannot wash the spots off a leopard.
Now, look and see what I'm talking about, here they were all gathered, Hussein, and Pharaoh ready to jump on Israel. Ready to leap, the leopard. And the lion of the tribe of Judah ____ ____ ____ right back in the migratory pattern. Now, if you see the day approaching... And this, what you see going on now is nothing else but a confirmatory repetition, dates and all.
You read in the paper, you scratching your head. And you don't know what it's all about. You get the point? Now, is that plain to you? God ____ ____ puts men up there, even with their names and all. And he ____ by these beasts. And you read about it in the Bible, and read about it in the paper. And reverend don' it. And he stood over there, and you gave him a tithe. And he's driving around by himself in his Cadillac. Oughta be in jail. Sue him, and get back which you gave him.
Somebody come along and tell you the truth about it. Now, let me prove... I want you to see. I'm gonna put the train of thought right back together so you can see, so you can follow. You remember I told you that Matthew, that Jesus said, or Yahshua said... They said, 'master, when shall these things be?' Said, 'there shall not be one stone left upon top of another that shall not be thrown down'13 out there on Mt. Moriah. And they questioned Him about it, when the age would come
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to an end.
And the Arabs and the Israelites. The Arabs are descended from Ishmael. And I would like you to know that Abraham is the father of Ishmael by Hagar. And Isaac is the father, I mean, Abraham is the father of Isaac by Sarah. And when we speak of 'em in history we speak of them as the Jews and the Gentiles.
And here, the Apostle Paul was made a minister of the Gentiles. And being made a minister of the Gentiles, the Jews, they had the Law, not the Gentiles. The Jews had the Law ____ ____ ____ ____ and the Messiah, when He fulfilled, died out there on the cross, and it is not natural now, but it is spiritual. Carnal ordinances have been nailed to the cross.14 And the apostle preached that now it's spiritual sacrifices instead of the Law of Moses,as it's called, it's the Law of the Spirit now, which is in your heart and in your mind. And instead of it being Israel having physical kings, it is the Kingdom of Yahshua. And it is not meats and drinks, as was this one. This dispensation of the Law ended right at the cross. But now, we don't know no man no more after the flesh. Well, let me show you what I'm talking about.
Now, according to the promise that was made to Abraham, the Gentiles, God is not a respecter of persons, the Gentiles, they were grafted in among the branches, ars amongst the Jews, and with the Israelites.15
Now, your fight is going on in Jerusalem. They're talking about this thing I'm showing you. It's centered in Mt. Moriah. You check your maps. And the Ishmaelites, or the Arabs, they have decided... And the Jews have had the holy city, it was divided. Now, you had that six-day war, coming down from June the 6th. Now you listen at me. I'm trying to learn you something about the thing. Then that temple was torn down by Titus, ____ ____ torn down in A.D. 70. Adam lived 930 years, and he died 70 years short. Check it out the story out of the Bible. God said, 'I'll build it again in 3 days.' I will ____ and Solomon when He ____ ____, He said that heaven cannot contain Me, to say nothing about the house that he build. Heaven is my throne, earth is my footstool, where is the house that you builded unto me?16 Titus had tore it down, when he went into Jerusalem in A.D. 70, wasn't one stone left upon top of another. Yes, indeed, they were dispersed, and they were in ecclesiastical or political bondage to the Gentiles. And He told them said they would be that way until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.17 And I'm trying to caution you that the times of the Gentiles is ____ ____ you're setting up here seeing and still calmed the sea. Rest. And, when they went in there, and the
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15 Romans 8:17
16 Isaiah 66:1
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Jews, they recovered...
I'll tell you something about the Jews, too, you've got him all twisted up. What you think is a Jew is not a Jew. What makes a man a Jew, is a, is a, what is it? Listen, let's say it so you can understand it. It is not a prejudice question. Not a Jew, but his religion. That's what makes him a Jew. I'm a Jew. Somebody said, 'No, you're not. You're a Nigger.' I said I was a Jew, not one outwardly in the flesh, but the circumcision is that which is in the heart. Second chapter of Romans, in the last two verses, will tell you, he that is a Jew is not one outwardly, but that one inwardly.
Student Body: Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: And when ____ ____ ____ you come to the altar... I say reverend, leave your gift at the altar and go your way and be reconciled with your brother if he has ought against you.18 And, if he won't hear you, take your witness anring him before the congregation of the assembly. And if he won't hear them, so says Messiah, then let him be unto thee as a publican and a thief, or a Gentile. He said that under the dispensation of the Law. So a Jew becomes a heathen, just like anybody else. Then the heathen by acceptance of the true God of the universe becomes a spiritual Jew. If it is possible for a Gentile to become a Jew, after circumcision of the heart. If that's possible, it's also possible that a Jew become a Gentile. It's a poor rule that don't work both ways.
Now, let me show you what I'm talking about, I'll have to hasten on. Now they, this wailing wall was a part of that mountain, Mt. Moriah. And that Temple was torn down, back to the ground. You remember the Savior, between the Arabs and the Israelites, and when they went in there, then they accomplished, and they went up to the Wailing Wall. Say, it's in the paper, folks. They went up to the Wailing Wall. They said that they're never gonna surrender. Russia get mad, and say give back all that they had won through what they call aggression. God said, and told Abraham, walk the length and breadth of that land, and it reached from the, one river and clear on down to the River Nile. All of that, He said, He would give to them. And now here Russia wants to take control and more oppressive than there is now in this day, talking about giving back your land. And Israel says, 'no.' They're not gonna give it back. They're going to keep it. They believe that God gave it to them ____ ____ ____.
Of course, now this natural Jerusalem is a figure of heavenly Jerusalem. They got their Jerusalems mixed up. But you've always got to have a reflection. Always got to have a reflection. So now, there they are up at the wailing wall, and they reverend that, than to give it up. And the wailing wall is like this, just like you would put a rung up around that mountain, to go up to that mountain. And that stone, that... It's no wonder Messiah said, upon this rock I'll build my church, and
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the very gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.19 And the house of the Lord shall be established in the tops of the mountains, and all nations shall flow into it.20
Roman Catholics said Peter is the rock. I beg your pardon. Peter's just a stone. And Peter said hisself, you are lively stones in the building.21 And ye are building upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, and Yahshua the Messiah Himself being the chief cornerstone; in whom all the building, fitly framed together groweth into a holy temple for a habitation of God through the Spirit.22 And you know just as well as I do, these stones that were hewn out in that pit down there, all the stones and all not down in the quarry before they were brought up and went into this house. And listen, Pete wasn't the only a stone in there. ____ ____ in there, we're built up a spiritual house.
Now, let me conclude. Now, do you see what I'm talking about? See what the fight is? Now, you go back and take the 23rd chapter of Leviticus, and check it right down by the days, and by the sacred and civil year, and you too can tell what is happening. And the much more you see of it, then you don't forsake to assemble yourselves together, but for the Lord's sake go where you can find out something for sure.
Now, I want you to see this. Now, many false prophets shall go out. Now this is ____ ____. That's the 24th chapter of Matthew, 15th verse. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, let him that readeth understand it, for many, not a few, but many false prophets shall ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. But now, since His death, burial, and resurrection, now here's John talking about it. Now, you watch and see where the false prophets... If I don't understand what you're reading. If I don't understand what I'm reading, you tell me how that I can tell you the history of the world. You tell me how God can perform all these miracles. Why would I do all thesng, but stand around and argue with me. All right, read.
Dr. Mary Gross: Beloved,23
Dr. Kinley: Beloved,
Dr. Mary Gross: believe not every spirit,
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20 Micah 4:1
21 I Peter 2:5
22 Ephesians 2:20-22
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Dr. Kinley: believe not every spirit,
Dr. Mary Gross: but try the...
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute.. Said, don't believe every one of them spirits. What are spirits? What are angels? What are ____? The angels cast out of heaven down in the earth, they become demonic spirits incarnated in physical bodies. ____ ____ ____ educated somebody, slick deceivers. Now, he says, don't believe everybody, but you try the spirit. But how you going to try, how you going to try spirits? ____ ____ ____. Well listen, says these signs shall follow them that do believe. Are you getting the significance of what I'm saying? You're not, if you say, 'Oh, I believe that.' No, you didn't. All right, read.
Dr. Mary Gross: but try the spirits
Dr. Kinley: but try the spirits
Dr. Mary Gross: whether they are of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: whether they are of Yahweh.
Dr. Mary Gross: because many false prophets
Dr. Kinley: because many false prophets
Dr. Mary Gross: are gone out
Dr. Kinley: No, not gonna go... He says in the 24th chapter of Matthew, John says they've already gone out, many, not a few, many false prophets gone out in the world, and to deceive the folks. And you see the Methodists, and the Baptists, and the Presbyterians, the Camelites (Carmelites?) and the Dunkards, all divided up there. One preaching one thing, and another preaching another, and another preaching another, and so forth and so on. And everybody's right. Is that right?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____ ____. All right, read.
Dr. Mary Gross: Hereby know ye
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. Right by this
Dr. Mary Gross: ... know
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Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Know.. Right by this. Now, here is the application, right by this, hereby... Beloved, don't believe every spirit, for many false prophets already gone out in the world, AD 90 when he wrote that, is already gone. Now, it says, hereby or right by this. Now you know what a false e the Spirit of Yahweh: Read.
Dr. Mary Gross: Every spirit that confesseth not
Dr. Kinley: Every spirit that confesseth not
Dr. Mary Gross: that Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: that Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Mary Gross: is come
Dr. Kinley: Shall come. Jesus is coming.
Student Body: No. No.
Dr. Kinley: Won't you give Him your hand and start on your way to Heaven? Jesus is coming. What's He coming for? He's coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle, you read about it over here in Paul's letter to the Ephesians24 husbands love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave, set forth that He might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of the water by the Word. Now He's coming back. Back to His church without spot or wrinkles. That man don't know what he's talking about. Every Spirit that testifies that Yahshua is come... He is come. And I'm telling you, that's what's in me. Now you try, you try the Spirit. You know that I can't do nothing. You see what I'm talking about? He was the faith healer. He was the prophet that Moses said should come. That's what it is in me. He is come. And I'm not standing out there, looking up in the sky like a stupe looking for Him to jump out of the clouds. Every Spirit that testifies that He is come... When I went to school, is is present tense.
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Dr. Kinley: Now you can decide whether your pastor has been telling you. That's in the book. All right, read.
Dr. Mary Gross: is come in the flesh
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Dr. Kinley: is come in the flesh. That is to say, I'm walking around here in a physical body, and so are you. And every last one of you got Him in your heart, and He's a quickening Spirit, and He is come. And you walking around here talking about the Holy Ghost. And you don't know no more about the Holy Ghost than a hog does about dentistry. And standing around here in the pulpit preaching to somebody. And yet and still you talking about, 'When I got the Holy Ghost, God stopped me from chewing tobacco, smoking cigarettes.' That's all the Devil knows.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Telling people what not to eat, no pork and all that kinda stuff. Just plain don't care, no ____ ____, he don't care. 'When I got saved, he stopped me, the Holy Ghost stopped me from drinking.' It's a wonder he wouldn't stop someone from lying.
Student Body: LAUGHTER
Dr. Kinley: Now I'm giving it to you straight. I know it sounds funny. Listen, I'll drink what I wanna drink, and eat what I please, and it's my business. If I got the Holy Spirit in me, it will control me, govern me so I don't get out of control, just like the sun, moon, and the stars, every physical object, and they don't get out of control. Why? Because they are controlled by universal spirit law. And that's what it is in here that controls this. I know when I got enough to eat. And I know what I wanna eat, and it ain't none of your business. If it don't make make sick, it ought not to bother you.
That's all these preachers is doing is running around here talking about abstaining from something or other, he's got sanctified and all them different kind of things. He's saved now, in this plain old cafet.., he calls that sanctification, done set him apart from all them physical things, but listen, you can see a bottle of whiskey with a ____ ____ ____ talking about somebody.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Then on top of that, and while you say he don't drink, he don't chew, he don't smoke, g to have the Lord's Supper.' And that Devil stand right up there in the pulpit and tell you he's gonna create Christ by a prayer over it. That's Roman Catholicism. The Protestants say, 'No, that ain't what we're doing.' Say, 'Instead of it being transubstantiation, it's consubstantiation. It's a type. It's a shadow. It's a reflection.'
Now, Paul was telling you, ain't that what he says, that all of these carnal and natural things in the kingdom of Israel, spiritually, they pointed to the Spirit. The natural was moved out of the way. And Messiah was not a natural man walking around, but He's a quickening Spirit. And He is come in your heart, and in mine. And you are in the Kingdom of, translated us, so says the Apostle Paul in
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Thessalonians. Said He translated us into the Kingdom of Yahshua, His dear Son. And you standing around talking about beloved try whether they are of God. And here, this man is standing up here drinking this grape juice, and talking about it being a type and a shadow. Well, nobody back here, everybody eating and drinking, they didn't have the Holy Spirit, and they never kept the Law. The reverend is so blind, until he's got the crackers and the grape juice passing them around. And that's nailed to the cross.25 And he sees, looking at that physical and natural, just like he's expecting Him to jump down out of the clouds. The mystery of iniquity, Satan transformed into an angel of light or a doctor of divinity standing up preaching to you.26
And here, I come along, and because I don't advocate water baptism, washing feet, and taking Lord's Suppers, like they do. Say look, you need some Lord's Supper. You need a good washing. You need to be baptized, if you haven't been. But I'm not talking about it in the physical sense. Those things typify. Look, water baptism was a type of a death and a burial. And, therefore, John had to baptize Him before He was crucified, in order to baptize Him into His death, the 6th chapter of Romans, and begin back at the 1st verse. Bapt that they might be typified, baptized into His death, that they might resurrect with Him. And now, look, you can't go around preaching that Christ resurrected from the dead. What's the matter with you? Then you wanna baptize somebody into His death? We preach that He resurrected and ascended and went on back to Heaven.
And now He's come to you in the form of the Holy Spirit, which was poured out about nine o'clock in the morning, A. D. June 6th, day of June, 33. That's when that happened. And there's a constant reflection of it going on right now. At the crack of dawn, that gun went off over yonder, just like at the crack of dawn here, gathered here up around Mt. Sinai, the gun sounded, and God spoke to them. Said, 'I am the Lord thy God,' not the Pope, not somebody else. 'I brought thee out of the land of Egypt, and out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.' Mt. Sinai just shook and trembled, and even Moses that brought 'em all out, said, 'I exceeding shook.' When He spoke on June the 6th, on the Day of Pentecost, at nine o'clock, and it's been just repeating itself on down. And here this gun went off, a big gun. Israel pulled the trigger over yonder. Right on time. And the reflection is on time. And they stand around talking about the natural things. Jerusalem above is the mother of us. That's natural, physical, but we are born of the Spirit. We don't wrestle against flesh and blood but principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places. ____ ____ ____ ____. And listen, every sin that the man committeth is without the body, to see what's in your heart and in your mind. There ain't nothing in that pork you're eating. And should you happen to eat too much, or overdose, listen, who pays the bill? 'Ohh.' You're paying the bill, it ain't bothering me. If you didn't know no
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better that time, you'll know better next time. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____, I don't care for rice ____ ____ ____ every have rice. Somebody out there says ____ ____ ____ pork running around everybody ____. They don't eat pork or because they do. And that's what this mess is and that's going on all over the world. Got all this carnality all mixed up with spirituality. Here's how you know. Every spirit that testifies, listen, that Yahshua the Messiah is come is what?
Dr. Mary Gross: is of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: is of Yahweh. Now John's doing this talking, not me. So now, don't go to nobody and say that man says. All right, read on
Dr. Mary Gross: And every Spirit
Dr. Kinley: And listen, and every Spirit, I don't care whose preacher it is. Read
Dr. Mary Gross: that confesseth not
Dr. Kinley: that confesseth not
Dr. Mary Gross: that Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: that Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Mary Gross: is come in the flesh
Dr. Kinley: is come in this dispensation of Grace, not the dispensation of the Law, but the dispensation of Grace. Everyone that testifies that He is come, is what?
Dr. Mary Gross: is not of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Everyone that testifies that He is come...
Dr. Mary Gross: is of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: It is of Yahweh. Everyone that testifies that He is not come is what?
Dr. Mary Gross: is not of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: is not of Yahweh. You heard me. I said he is not of Yahweh. In almost all those churches that you ever heard of in your life is standing out looking for Jesus to come jumping down through the sky. Carnal mind. And old rev, he's saying what He's coming for. He's coming back after a church without spot or wrinkle. Now, He's done gone on off. Now He's the head, and He done run off and left His head, left, left, left His body. Stupid. You are the body. He being the head and you being the body, you with the spirit in you. Yahshua did not leave His church. Reason why didn't nobody see Him walking around on the face of the
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earth, He was the Holy Ghost personified. So, ever since He took off tound shaking hands with Him, and He would walk down the street out there and you wouldn't know Him, you wouldn't realize. Paul said we know Him no more after the flesh but it's after the spirit. And unless you expect to see a man. Listen, when you the spirit ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ in the coal mines of West Virginia or Kentucky or somewhere ____ ____ ____ genuine, you will see Him as He is ____ everywhere. Holy Ghost poured out on the Day of Pentecost. And you not realizing and you got a carnal mind, you standing out and looking out the while clouds, every eye shall see Him. Well, look, look at the clouds. Look at 'em coming there. Many of the saints that slept in the dust of the earth rose and went on into Jerusalem. And Paul said therefore seeing we are compassed about, seeing we are compassed about by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us put aside every weight and sin that doth so easily beset us and run the race, looking after Yahshua the Messiah who is the author and finisher of our faith.27 That was Him, come all the way down through the dispensations and ages. He's the author and He is the finisher of our faith. Yahweh is manifested in the flesh, seen of angels, believed on in the world, preached unto the gentiles, received up.28 Every Spirit that testifies that He is come, not gonna come, but is come. Well, He may come to you this afternoon. He may come to this man. Whenever you apologize or repent He will come, come within you. Now, says, He shall appear to those who look for Him.29 If you're not looking for Him, you won't see a thing of Him. Unto they that look for Him shall He appear the second time, without sin unto salvation. Now, every Spirit that testifies that Yahshua the Messiah, is come is of God. And every spirit that testifies that He has not yet come, like all of the so-called preachers that's going around... Read.
Dr. Mary Gross: And every spirit that confesseth not that Yahshua, the Messiah, is come in the flesh is not of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: is not of Yahweh.
Dr. Mary Gross: And this is that spirit
Dr. Kinley: And listen, this is that spirit, this is it. This is that what?
Dr. Mary Gross: spirit of antimessiah (anti-messiah?)
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Dr. Kinley: This is that spirit of anti-messiah, or antichrist. This is it. Now, you can decide ____ ____ ____. This is where you make the decision. Then somebody with good intention say, 'Yeah, believe a lie, cause ____ in me.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Said, 'I'm looking for Him.' Reverend said, 'Come on. We don't know what the end will be, but get started.' Said, 'what's in heaven, rev?' Said, 'I don't know,' said, 'but we're going on and we're gonna see Him.' Listen, if you don't know what's there, what business have you got inviting somebody to go someplace and you don't know nothing about it. All you have to do is look at the pattern.
Then said the Spirit, 2nd chapter of Corinthians, said this. For the Spirit searcheth all things, yes, the deep things of God. Spirit searches the deep things. Walk up to some of... you know, that call theirself, say, 'Look rev, I got a question I wanna ask you. Almost just a child question.' Say, 'Listen brother' said, 'I'm not gonna meddle in God's business. I don't know what this, and that and the other is but I tell you one thing. I'm on my way.' Yes, but where? We... all we have to do is look right into the pattern, and see it there, it's just as plain as the nose on your face. And we should know where we're going.
And let me say this, too. You know, what with all that praise going on all of the time, blessing Him, thanking Him, well what He has done, the angels flying through the midst of heaven with the everlasting gospel preached to every creature that dwelt on the earth, saying, holy, holy, holy, day and night.30 Why, it would wear you out. Somebody said, 'I'm so nervous. I can't stand it.' That's no way for you to go. Now, if you just happen to miss that, and go the other way, that's crowded too. Just happen to mention, and they're crying down there because they lost out, wherever you want to say Hell is. Lament, unutterable lament, a most diabolical hatred inconceivable to mortal consciousness. There shall be weeping and wailing, and gnashing of teeth.31 And there shall be joy, bncomfortable in either place.
Somebody said, 'I can't sit still for no two and a half hours.' You been wrong two thousand years, and haven't found out the truth, and here, you haven't got patience to sit here a couple of hours. And, when the apostles and them preached, it was a daily ministration. And here you say you're so right. The Roman Catholic Church, the door's hanging open all the time. You go by there anytime you want to and go on in. Any time. They don't close it. Open right around the clock. Go in there, kneel down. You can go in anytime. The Protestants, they got the thing locked up. And more than likely the ____ and then, they're all ____ some kinda confusion cause they don't agree on doctrine. And they got things down there, and put a lock on the door.
Student Body: Right. That's right.
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31 Matthew 13:42
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Dr. Kinley: Now, would you call that the Spirit? Just a lot of foolishness. When you really got the Spirit of the Lord in you, the Spirit of Yahweh, you don't need nobody to come home to. 'But I want somebody to tell me how to live. That's what I go to church for. I want somebody to tell me.' What you go to do is get the Spirit. Get the Spirit, and you won't need nobody following you around to try to tell you what to do and how to behave yourself and conduct yourself. Now, if it can't keep you straight, then you're a hopeless case. Now, that's right. It'll stop you from lying. It'll cause you to get along with folks, some kinda way. A time to speak, and a time to shut up, and all them different kinds of... And somebody, some of us just, we just gonna insist and cram something down somebody's throat just anyhow, and people just get good and sick of you. You, you can't convert nobody like that. Now, do you understand?
But every Spirit... I wanna conclude by saying this. I heard a voice from heaven. And every spirit that testifies that He is come. Now, that's in the book. You'll find that in the fichapter. Somebody say, 'Oh, yes. I knew He come back down before. And He's coming, coming down...' No, we're not talking about that. We're talking about in this dispensation. This dispensation begin with Pentecost. And He come at Pentecost. And He is coming in the hearts and minds of everybody that looks for Him, that's looking for ____ as of now. The resurrection is going on now. If you be dead in Christ from the rudiments of the world, or if you get over them crackers and grape juice and all that water, from the rudiments of the world, then we live, we live in Him, with Him as of now. Translated. Well, how's that happen? By the renewing of your mind. And it is the Holy Spirit that is infused in our bodies. And it is that Spirit, at the revelation of when He comes revealed to everybody, that will change this mortal, from a mortal to an immortal.
Somebody said, 'Well, I don't believe that.' Well, Paul said this, for your information. What if some don't believe, does that make it of none effect? That's the way it is. And that's why there's so much division among us, is because we don't understand spiritual things. We got a carnal mind, we never have been born of God. We're in the pulpit, and arguing around about salaries and all like. We're more concerned about that than we are your soul, and all them different kinda...
And I don't care what you do for us. Paul said, if you give all you possess, and your body to be burned, and have not charity, it won't profit you a thing. And you can go 25 or 30 years, and set up here in some of these secular cults and denominations, and what not, and just be just as dumb as you can be, not realize a thing of what it is all about. Set there, and that day slip up on you unawares.
Somebody said, 'Listen. Well I have belonged to this church. And listen, I don't believe in fighting over denominations. I don't believe in that.' Say, look, boy, what's the matter with you? Devil done established all these cults out here. And there's no way at all to keep from having some of 'em. He sent me to preach the gospel. I've got as much authority to preach the gospel ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ than anybody else. And you tell me I'm not supposed to
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meddle with you and your religion. That's what I was sent for. You need to wake up. That's what's the matter with you. Said, 'My religion is my business.' Say, look, when Messiah come in the world, there were the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Essenes, the Zealots, and the scribes, and the Pharisees. Yahshua didn't have no right to be meddling in their, to be meddling with them and their religion. If He didn't have no right meddling with them and their religion, what right have they got, walking up to Him and saying, 'Say, listen, we got the ____ by what authority do you ____.' He ain't got no right to meddle in their religion and here they are meddling ____ ____.
Why don't you wake up. We're sent to preach the gospel to every creature. And there's always somebody standing around, tooting around, shooting out the corner, 'I seen him come out of that place down there, ain't that a beer joint? Is that an imagination house?' Said, 'I've seen him with my own eyes.' Listen, you're sent to the people that don't have the Spirit of Christ. The sick need a doctor, not them that are whole. And that's might near everybody there is in the world. So, you go and preach the gospel to every creature, and every creature that testifies that Yahshua the Messiah is come in the flesh is of God. And every one that don't testify, out there, looking for Him to come, jump down. Listen He's not above, now you can believe anything you want to, don't matter with me. I gonna go with the truth. Read on.
Dr. Mary Gross: whereof ye have heard32
Dr. Kinley: Whereof the Messiah said it would come. John is ____. Read.
Dr. Mary Gross: that it should come;
Dr. Kinley: that it should come;
Dr. Mary Gross: and even now
Dr. Kinley: and even now
Dr. Mary Gross: already
Dr. Kinley: already
Dr. Mary Gross: is it in the world
Dr. Kinley: is it in the world, standing up here in the pulpit. That is ____. And you don't have no right, by no kind of a speck of imagination, to tell me I'm wrong about it, when I've proved it to you for 35 years in Springfield and elsewhere. I've told you what's going on all over the world. You don't know no body, I don't care if you do knew body, you just don't know any body who told you any more, or
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performed any more miracles than what I have done. I don't care what they call theirselves. And I'm not bragging or boasting either. I told you I can't do nothing. I heard a voice from heaven. And that's what's is in me that accomplishes. And we've got medical records, historical records and documents, telling what's going on all over the world, potentates, and everybody else. Kings and queens have died just when I said they would die, and you know it. You're my witness. Come on down here and let's try to learn something about God for sure. So then we'll know the spirit of God and the mystery of iniquity or the spirit of error.
Remember this, this is the 50th year, from 1917, I'm talking about the Year of Jubilee. I'll tell you more about that after a while about the miracle of Fatima, and other miracles, before it's all over with. And you stand around and talk about the Garden of Eden, and the forbidden fruit in the tree in the Garden of Eden right back here. And Adam and Eve back there, and that, Satan deceived that woman, symbolical of the church. That angel in the Garden ____ ____ ____. And you didn't even recognize or realize, He Himself is the savior of the world, not Mary. And Paul said, in the 2nd chapter of 2nd Thessalonians, he said that day shall not come except there come a falling away first, that man of sin, the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is preached or all that is called God, so that he as God, sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God ____ or that is called God because they wouldn't accept the truth, and h or He saw the savior of the world ____ ____. ____ Paul said god would send 'em a strong delusion and cause them to believe a lie that they all might be destroyed or damned. Here, over there in Fatima, there is that or God sending that strong delusion, there's that apparition appearing in that tree over there. If you ever see he was back here in the Garden of Eden, there's Pope Paul goes on over, Paul the 6th with the mark of the beast, and that same satanic spirit that was back there in the Garden marked with that 666 ____ ____ ____ ____ out there on the tree, the serpent and the woman, and the apparition was over there. And you setting right over, right at it, and it's nothing else but a repetition. And this is carrying on back to the beginning of the thing. And I want you to know that's not, instead of it going on, and continuing on, we've come on back to the end where it started at. That's right. And I want you to see that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself, above all that is called God, so that he as God, sitteth in the Vatican over there, sitteth in the temple of his vicar in the Vatican, showing himself that he is God. There he is, Satan, the 6th ____, ____ is coming on down til we got down to the 6th and last Pope that dies. Before the number 5. And they bring him on in on time. And there he is 6, Pope Paul the 6th. And I showed you how the 666 got in on there, before this meeting is over with. John said out there on the Isle of Patmos, I heard a voice from heaven. Here is wisdom, let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast for it's the number of a man. And his number is six hundred, three score, and six.33 ____ ____ looking right at it, ____ and demonstrating. And now, another thing over yonder, took a plane on out of the Vatican, Rome, and landed over yonder in Jerusalem. There's that spirit has been bound all these many years in the
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Vatican, and once he's loosed out of the Vatican, John seen it before it happened, said I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, and he went on to describe it. And then he went on to say that it was for the people and loosed out of the Vatican, he's called the prince of the power of the air, took a plane and went on into Jerusalem. John said, he'd be loosed for a little season, and he's gone to the four corners of the earth. And then he will deceive the nations which is in the 4 corners of the earth. Go on over yonder into Jerusalem. Went to Jerusalem, went on in the tomb. People ain't even got brazen and sense enough to see that. And while he was in the tomb, where the Messiah was ____ or buried, a blackout in the tomb. Never had one before, a blackout in the tomb where Messiah was buried. Got on up from there and went on back to the Vatican.
And after going on back the Vatican, he went off down yonder in India. That's the second trip. We're talking about the four corners, and then he went on back to the Vatican.
And then, here he went to appeal to the nations that are upon the four corners of the world. Here he comes, on over here to New York, to the U.N., there he made an appeal making an appeal that there must not be no more war. And that's what we're fighting, the wicked spirit. And that's trip number three.
And here's number four. And now, here he goes on over yonder in Portugal. There he is back in the bush, there he is back in the tree, there he is back in the garden. There's that number. And there's that repeated offense, all back while you setting up reading the newspaper. And you don't know what it's all about, any more so than ____ ____ ____.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
CATALOG #: 67.09 PV
recorded on reel to reel recorder by Dr. Carl F. Gross
transferred to 1 90 minute audio cassette by Geraldine Rothstein
transcribed by Susan Whitney
proofread by Gerry Rothstein and Michael Rothstein
Proofread and approved by International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I’m talking about, you understand, you know, isnt’ that right, you see what I mean.)
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
1st and 2nd speakers were: Dr. Gary Mathess and Dr. Wills
Moderator: ...our founder and dean, the author of the book, God the Archetype (original) Pattern of the Universe, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I just wanna say that I know that all of you in the audience that are trying to know something about the reality of God and His existence really enjoyed the previous speakers. Another thing, I sit there and listen very attentively, pay attention to everything he had to say and I want you to know that I always do.
Now, one of the things I wanna say to you first is this... Now I'm gonna let you go home, some people complain about two hours being too long and all those kinda things. Now if you noticed we had three speakers here and we have some time left. It's 20 minutes after 9. Now we could send you on home right now to put into practice what you have already heard, it would greatly improve your life, now
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what we really need is faith and confidence.
And as I sit there in my seat and look, I've looked at these charts around, and I thought to myself as Dr. Mathess had said, and Dr. Gross too, I know how special those brethren are in their occupation, have to be qualified, a lotta study goes into it, everybody can not operate an IBM machine. And many things that Dr. Gross does,everybody just can't do it and it requires some study and you just don't go along nonchalant. Now I said that to say this. Now these charts, the way they're put together, now you ought to know better, no man can do it like that. It just.., that don't make sense for you to think that, it would have to be Yahweh.
And if you take the smallest particle of matter and the most brilliant, academically trained man that has ever been in this world, or ever will be in this world, they can't find anything in matter other than what God has put there, and they can't move it and make it some other way other than the way that it really is. Just can't do that. Now history itself is made up of nothing else but a repetition and function, and that function of spirit is infallible and it never errors and it never digresses and never deviates at anytime. And I've always told you.., now for you to, to have some knowledge of what's going on, I tried for years to tell you this, if you watch.., now this is talking on into the future, what has been and what is now. That's the past, the present, and the future. You will find that it has been nothing else.., and I do mean accurately functioning; that's what makes up the history of the world.
Now if you come here and catch on to it, got the patience to catch on to it, then you will be benefitted. And I want to tell you this: it will increase your faith, it will increase your confidence, it will impart to you a profound knowledge, it will keep you from being unstable, it will establish you, it will confirm you, it will keep you standing. Now it may not seem like that. People oftentimes say,'well look, you don't understand the troubles I have in my home and on my job and you don't understand.' Now there's nothing happened to you except that which is common to man, but with every temptation there is a way of escape. Now here's your scapegoat. That, that, that's the way it's going to be. That's the real genuine.., that's the way to escape the corruption and pollution that there is in the world.
Now there's one more thing I wanna mention here to point out to you. I know some of you have looked for many different things, you've looked for Messiah to come, jump down through the sky in 1956 and 1960 and 1963 and thus far this year has nothing happened, so you think. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And as Peter put it, he said, now, those who'd say that all things go on as they were from the beginning, well they done pretty well there, they can see that the same thing is happening over and over from the beginning, that's better than some of us can do and all things continue as they were from the beginning, but this they're willfully ignorant of.., how the world perished with water and that day that the ark, they were dis.., let, let me put it like this, they went in the ark and set there in that ark 7 days and somebody would pass along and said, 'now look, we helped him build that ark, we told that ole fool it wasn't gonna rain. How could the sky leak? Now we told him before we got the thing all built. Now there he sets out there with
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them animals in there, and the ole fool has been setting out there 7 days and nothing hasn't happened.' And what I'm talking about is: after the thing is all finished up and everything is all in order and hasn't nothing happened, he set there 7 days and all of a sudden it starts to rain, then them people commenced to screaming to get in the ark. Now that's not the first time. Now another thing, Moses, he had to wait 7 days before he entered into that cloud, just had to wait 7 days before he entered into that ark.
Now I told you that 1960 was the end and I showed you how it come about by actual figures and repetitions. Now what do I mean by repetitions, in the way it's occurred here before. Now, listen, what's coming up now, (we're talking about the end) this is not the first time that the world has ended. And the one coming up now, the end, that won't be the last time it'll end. Now we just might as well wake up and understand some things. Now if we don't, then this is gonna be the results, it's gonna be just like them people, just precisely nothing else but a repetition, not a thing else but that. People will.., instead of it being destroyed by water it's gonna be destroyed by fire. Now a lotta people say, 'well now, listen I don't believe that. That, that's still.., just like...' They didn't believe it was gonna be destroyed by water either, but it was. You see what I mean?
Now my job is telling you the, the truth about these things, try to inspire and encourage you; that's why we drew these charts. And I'm, I, I soon will be in this work going on 36 years. Now I have been among the smartest of men there is in this world. We have written letters to kings, queens, potentates, high authorities, popes, cardinals, I don't want you to get this thing all twisted up and think that this is just some little passerby thing. We've had contact with the very smartest of men. Nobody, nowhere from, even from the, the most highest educated men that you've ever had in any and all kinds science and philosophy. They have all had to stoop. They have all had to take their hats off to me. And I wanna say this to you too. Now they do not teach like this, as is taught in this school; they do not teach this way out here. And I'm old enough and been far enough to know and to tell you the truth about it that they don't. And it has to be taught this way.
Now I know that you.., a lot of you're discouraged and say, 'well, I've, I been going down there and they been saying that same thing over and over and over again.' Now Messiah said this in the 24th chapter of Matthew, said, 'in your patience possess ye your souls.' Now listen at these words. He said for in such an hour as you think not, then it all happens: in a moment in a twinkling of an eye, just like when Titus plundered Jerusalem. Said, 'now look, don't figure on going down there and saving none of your valuables.' He's in.., up on the house top,'don't, don't try to save some of that stuff you got in there, run, get out.' Now you pray that your flight be not upon a Sabbath day or in the winter and woe unto them that are with child and give suck in those days. Now you pray that it, it don't be like that because nobody will be spared.
Now if you take the wars that are happening now, if you know anything about it, and understand anything about it, little infants that haven't did anything to
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anybody, they took 'em by the heels and knocked their brains out against the wall, just unmerciful in every respect. Men stand face to face and curse one another and put one another to death with a sword, and shoot one another down just like they were rabbits or, or some other species of animal, and think nothing about it, just brag and boast about how many they killed and so forth and so on. Now you see what I'm talking about. Now these things are going on all over the world, and we tried to tell you.., if I can get this out to you, I think I should.
Now we told you that pattern was three fold. Now here is Egypt, the Red Sea, and the wilderness, come on up in here, come on up in here and cross over, back over into, in in here. Now this is a, a, a, Salt Sea, this is a, I mean this is the Dead Sea here, a salt sea here. This is the Sea of Galilee. And here's the, the River Euphrates and all of it. The whole land... Now look, what's going on over there folks is nothing else but a repetition. Now that's why I tell you history repeats itself. Now you can't say that it don't. Now, listen at this. Next year, if there be a next year, next month, October, is another month. Isn't that right? Well now you look in your Bible. Look in... I've tried my best to teach you this. Look in your Bible and see what is supposed to happen in October. Look in your Bible and see what is supposed to happen to the years. Now that's what makes up the history of all that you see, and there is forever and always going to be a reflection; so that means you're without excuse. You know no man can do nothing like that. You understand what I'm talking about?
Now, when we made these charts, they are analogies and one thing is related to the other, then they come in at prophetic intervals and repeat. That's all that's ever happened in the history of the world. That's all that ever will happen. And nobody on earth, nobody on earth.., they don't understand this pattern and its functions, don't.., is incapable and disqualified to teach you. They do not know. And if the blind lead the blind you're subject to falling in the ditch, all of you fall in the ditch together. Now let me say this to you real nice. Now there's people that's arguing about water baptism. Now basically where they get all that argument at, is when Philip went down and baptized the Ethiopian eunuch. You understand? You see the point?
Now they say.., then they put, they make, make the Messiah out a liar, make Him out a liar by saying that He sent His disciples out to baptize in the great commission, baptize in water. He did not say that, that is not in the Bible. This is the wrong dispensation for that. This is the wrong dispensation for physical circumcision. This is the wrong dispensation for eating passovers that way. Now anytime anybody does anything like that, it's easier to be deceived by those things. Why? Because they fit right with a carnal mind. And that's how God is succeeding and hiding the thing from, from the, from the devil. Now we never told nobody that they didn't need their supper. And Paul is saying that their.., people's God is their belly. That's what everybody is doing out there, trying to make a fast buck, so he can feed his belly. Solomon said, all the labor of a man under the sun is for his belly and yet his appetite is not satisfied. Now we in this country, we have plenty, plenty of wheat and grain and produce and what not, overabundance.
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Over in Viet Nam and other places over there, the rice patties, they don't have much to eat, little small children with malnutrition, starvation, little bones stick through their ribs, and here you are out here with an overabundance, belly full and some of us overweight and all them different kind of thing, we go home and lay down on a bed and sleep through the night. You don't have guns and, and, and, and all those various different kinda things and bomb shells dropping round, and you still are unthankful, you have an opportunity to come down, sit down here and learn and know something about God and you don't even appreciate that. Now the wrath of God is against all of that.
Now I got up here to say this to you. Now you come on back. Now 2 hours is too much and too long for you set here, if that's one of your reasons for not coming, skipping from one time to the other, we'll cut this thing down. I'll talk with the boys and I'm not the boss and altogether in that category but we'll cut it down to an hour and a half and then we'll get up here and we'll preach to you in an hour and a half. We can tell you more in 15 minutes than you're gonna do the rest of your life (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) and more than half you have done so far as that part of it is concerned. Now, if that's too long, let us know about it, we'll cut it down; but it is necessary for you to learn and know something about it because you are subject to being destroyed.
I wanna tell you this. Somebody sent in a subscription for me to receive a magazine called, 'the Plain Truth.' I don't know who it was but anyhow, they sent it to me free, I didn't pay for it. Well now in that 'Plain Truth..,' and what Israel, the people over there are looking for it now. This is what is going on. They are looking for a Messiah to come back and set up His kingdom on the earth and rule 1000 years. And in this 'Plain Truth,' I, I, I, I can bring it to school and read it to you, that's what they are looking for, for Him to come and to sit down here and.., on this earth to straighten out all these wars and we'll have peace and plenty. Now look, that's not the way it is. Now that's setting up His Kingdom on earth. Now let me say this, can I say this by the way of encouragement, this may help you.
The kingdom of God is as of now. You are in the Kingdom, it has already been set up and I do mean here in the world. And as Paul put it, says, He has translated us into the Kingdom of His dear Son. Do you recall and do you remember that He sent them out to preach that the Kingdom of Heaven was at hand. Now if it was way down here, nearly 2000 years and it ain't been set up yet. Now that wouldn't hardly make no sense, but now the reason why some of us can't appreciate that the Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom of God is as of now is because we haven't never repented or apologized, we just haven't come to the knowledge of it. We just don't realize that it is. Well what's keeping you from it. Well, here they are around here, all around you, scattered all around, telling you that they're looking for, is what we might describe as a premillenium (premillennium?). Now a post millenium (millennium?). Now that's what the people are looking for, they're looking for it all over the world. But now this is what takes place. Now you'll find what I'm talking about, I'm not gonna take the time to read, but you read it when you go home.
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You read 2nd Thessalonians and the 3rd chapter of Peter. Now when.., listen, He will be revealed from heaven. There's just no argument about that. Now what I mean by being revealed from heaven, lotta people don't understand that, that is to say you will see a vision, it, it will appear and you will see a vision. You could see it now, if you was looking for it. Now let me say this, but when He doth appear and when that vision is pronounced like that, you know what's gonna take place, it will be fire just like it was the flood. And as Paul put it, taking.., when He's revealed from heaven taking flaming vengeance on them that know not God. That is the punishment children, not an opportunity to go ahead up. That.., you have the opportunity now. You see what I'm talking about. And so now, that, that's what is going to take place at the revelation of Yahshua the Messiah. Now for you to have Yahshua the Messiah into your, in your heart means this: that you have the spirit (He's a quickening spirit), for you to have the spirit of God within, within you functioning through your heart and mind. And listen, everybody has those two laws in their members. One is saying, 'no,' and the other one's saying,'yes.' And Paul said, when I would do good, evil was present, and now, no man can serve two masters. You must either serve one or the other. Now if you serve the, the devil then you yield your members to serve it, then this is what you look for, just look for a punishment and let, let me tell you this: nobody never did escape, even the angels that sinned. You can't get by with it folks. You needn't think that you could bridge over it and smooth it over. A lotta times we do things we ought not to do and then we bridge over it. I did something to Roger and now I just as well go ahead on. I didn't go to Roger and reconcile that thing, I just bridged it on over. Then I'm testifying, and then pretty.., the first thing you I done done something to somebody else and I just go on bridging, bridging. Now that's not gonna work. That, that will not work. Confess.., James said, confess your faults, not to the priest cause there's nothing he can do about it, he has to do something for his own errors then there won't be no need of confess.., confess your faults one to another. If.., boy, if I did something to you and you did something to me, admit or confess that you're wrong about it. And if you don't confess it, you'll never be forgiven. You just can't get by with that stuff, so you just might as well behave yourself. And the most of us know better anyhow because that still small voice within us telling you,'you ought not to do that.' Now the devil has all kinds of play ____. He'll tell you two hours is too long. He tell you, 'well, I don't like them, the way them folks teach, that's not the way that I've been taught all of my life.' Now listen, Yahweh is His name, just like Dr. Mathess taught. Now you have not been taught that. Yahshua is the Son's name. You have not been taught that. The Holy Spirit is correct. Now if they're not teaching that out there and we're teaching it here. I want you to know this gigantic impulse that has gone all over the world. Now all over in England and America and everywhere they're coming back to Yahshua the Messiah and they're coming down to say, 'Yahweh is the correct name.' They're doing that all over the world. They admit it now.., but when you first introduce it, 'I don't want them.., they got a whole lotta funny gods down there.' Them's the people got the funny gods. And they have ate suppers and baptized and get.., for nearly 2000 years and now when it comes to a showdown, they haven't got the.., the prisons is full, they won't even obey the civil law. And yet and still they have it, right universally all over the world. Now you
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know, it just cannot continue to go on like this.
And let me.., can I say this one other thing. Lyndon B. Johnson, when he run for President of the United States of America. One of the things that he told the people, said he was gonna clean up the streams and clean up the.., you know what I mean by streams, clean up the rivers and the lakes, take down the billboards, and this filth and trash and what not, clean up, and then the, the run down areas where rats and.., gonna, gonna clean out all that. And this poverty stricken.., now Lyndon B. Johnson... Now look, that's what their folks are talking about the Messiah coming back and cleaning up or doing a job like that and setting up a kingdom. It just don't make sense. Now he ain't getting by with it, he's got riots and every other kinda thing like that. Well why would you think that Messiah was gonna come back here and do something like that. It's not working in his case. He's over yonder in Viet Nam fighting and here we got all this trouble here in America. It don't make no difference who you got for President, that's what's gonna happen because you've got that strife and... Now look, but if you can manage to preach the truth and somebody get the spirit of God, listen, it'll make you behave at home and down in the street and everywhere else, and nothing else is gonna do that.
Now I said those things. I'm through. See if you can't bring somebody with you, bring somebody to school with you. Let's fill this place up here. There's Los Angeles County, between six and eight million people. And so now, let's see if, everyone of us make ourselves a missionary. And then what we will do and we'll make you this promise. I'll talk it over with the, the authorities, and if two hours is too long for you to set there, we'll cut the time down to an hour and a half. Dr. Wills done a good job in an hour and a half here. And then we'll preach to you, we'll tell you the truth as it really is. We won't waste time and procrastinating and all those different kinda things. We'll do that. Let's run this place over and then run ourselves clear out of this building, carry the gospel to every creature. Now the time is so short. The, the time is so short. October the 10th will be the Day of Atonement. You don't know. That's the day that the high priest went in to the Most Holy Place and come back out and made atonement for Israel's sins. You don't know whether this high priest which is entered within the veil will come October the 10th. He didn't tell me to tell you that, that, that He would be here on October the 10th, but He did say warn you, caution you. Look for it. And it's sure to happen. This is one of these sure shots. I mean it will happen at some time or another because it, Christ is, is coming.
More important than anything else, let nothing hinder you or obstruct you or keep you from coming here because you do need this school, you need this knowledge, you need this understanding, you need encouragement, you need some faith, you need to see and understand what's going on. Now, now you just have to have it, you can't get it out there, if there's no pasture, no, no grass around, you have to take 'em to another field. Now children do that. And then you come yourself, don't be having these lazy excuses and all these different kinda things, little belly aches and little things like that, little minor things. Come and bring somebody else
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and try to help somebody save their soul. Behave yourself in the community in which you live and try to influence somebody because the time is short. Let's go.
(STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS)
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
1968
Los Angeles, California
CATALOG #: 68 ME
1 90 minute audio cassette tape
transcribed by Sandra Giragosian
proofread by Robert Fenti, Gerry Rothstein, and Michael Rothstein
proofread and approved by International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
SIDE 1
Moderator: The second speaker for this evening, the Founder and Dean Dr Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Henry C. Kinley: Thank you, ever so much. I know those of you that understood what he was talking about, why you ____. Of course, I can appreciate and do realize that what he said was pretty deep at times. And there are babes, in such expressions, that possibly wouldn't know what he was talking about. Now, the reason why I got up here is I wanna make it real good and plain, because it takes a lotta courage, and a lotta ambition, a lotta anxiety, and all that kind of thing, to have push enough to last 35, 36 years. I don't know whether you understood that or not. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) With all of the repercussions, with all of the disputations, and with all of the things that have been said against, against the school and its teaching, with all of the different types of creatures, everywhere... We haven't cut out any of them. We let everybody that wanted to have anything to say, say it. Even people have gotten up here in Hollywood... We
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had some over there. They said they was atheists. They just didn't believe, from Cincinnati.
Now, it doesn't make any difference what your case is, or what you believe, how you feel, what you think. There's a way of finding out the truth about that, whether you're right or wrong about it. Yes indeed, there is a way that you can find out the truth about it.
Now, I've been at home, trying to sit down and write this book, and get it back into the the press. And, when I first wrote it, I wrote it up in about 26 or 30 pages. Now, this is what the school asked me for. They said, 'Well, now look, we don't want to be a downgraded school. What we want to be is outstanding.' Is that what you all said to me, Dr. Gross?
Dr. Gross: That's right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And I said, all right. I'll write it. They wanted a exegetical analysis, and interpretation, and remonstration on this work. And they wanted it in purely academic form. I wrote it like they asked me to. And then I brought it to school and read it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Do I need to tell you what they said? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) No, they didn't understand no parts of it. So, they insisted that I take it back and break it down. So, I did that. And I brought it back, and I read it again. And they said, 'Well, we still don't understand. And, if we don't understand in here, we know good and well, the persons out in the street don't understand.'
So then, I had to work for a living. So, I just told Dr. Gross, I said, 'well, I'll kind of go through it again, and work it over. I don't have too much time, because I've got to make a living.' So, I kind of perused through it a little bit. And, of course, I'm not a professional typist. So, I had to get it, pick it out, like this. And that took time, too. So, I brought it back, and they still didn't understand it. So, then, I said, well, I'll tell you what you do. You take it to somebody and let them try to break it down. So, he took it to the Dean of Wittenburg College in Springfield, Ohio.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that right, Dr. Gross?
Dr. Carl F. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Am I telling the story right?
Dr. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And they offered to pay him to break it down. And he took it, and when he read it, he said, 'Uh uh, but I'll, I'll try.' So, he got to digging, and worked with it for, I don't know how long. Dr. Gross knows more about it than I do. Now, that's the Dean I'm talking about, the Dean of Wittenburg College. Now, that's a Lutheran college. And they don't call it a college no more, they call it a university.
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And finally, he brought it back and said he just couldn't do nothing with it. And the reason why he couldn't do nothing with it, because it took a whole paragraphs and sometimes whole pages just to break down one word. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Carl F. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: So then, they asked him what'd he charge for what he had done, since he didn't, couldn't do it. And I think you paid him a hundred dollars.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: About a hundred dollars. Yeah.
Dr. Kinley: Is that right, Dr. Gross? Then I come down from Cleveland, Ohio. I was in the insurance business. I come down from Cleveland, Ohio; and I was the speaker in Springfield. And that man come from Wittenburg College just to see me, just to look at me. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Isn't that right, Dr. Gross?
Dr. Carl F. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Well, I spoke that night. The press was there from the 'SPRlNGFlELD DAILY NEWS.' Said, 'Well, the man is educated, but I'll tell you one thing. We just don't believe what he says. Now, the reason why we don't believe it, is because those people over there are not in those positions to go and stage another war. They just don't have the means.' So then, they got after me after school, and this is what I said to them. Said, look, I'll be back here in 60 days. Now, one month I come to Springfield, and the next month I went to Cincinnati. I alternated. So, I said, now, I'll be back in 60 days, and when I come back, they will be fighting. So, when I got back on 60 days, they were fighting. I told them where, in Korea. And then they took me down to the press, and wrote an article in the newspaper about it. They wanted to know how that I could tell what was going on and they couldn't. How did I know what's going on, when all their analysts, world-wide news media, central intelligence agencies, and so forth and so on. 'Now, how do you know?' So, I told them, this is what I told them. 'Now, how could you tell that I didn't know?'
Now, this is what I want to say to you, folks. The reason why I'm bringing all this up to your attention. I want you to see what a problem and how hard it is for somebody to get up here and try to tell you something in a way that you can understand, so that it will be beneficial and proved to you. Now, before you can do that, what you have to do, now this is a must, you have to have a profound knowledge. It just must be that way, before you can tell the thing effectively to somebody else. Now, when you do tell it that way, if you're not careful, a lotta people will not believe you. Now, that's nothing new, either. That's not a thing new.
Now, here's what the people don't realize. This is what they don't know. Now, last Friday, you seen a man stand here in this floor. And the Sunday before, maybe Sunday a week before that... Now, we were over to John Littlefield's place. And you pick up the Saturday's paper, and you'll see church this, that, and the
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other, all advertized. And if you'll read the fine print, in the free advertisement there, you just see a whole line of it.
Now, the point I want to convey is this. Now, when we were over there, at that place, over to Littlefield's, one of the men that was over there, that was supposed to come here last Friday night, he has been here before. And you'd... remember Starch was a man that had that... the lights, the signs, and, and on the... folks is on the pictures. And had the little boxes and all. And had my name, and Dr. Harris's name in there. Now, you can't type me up. Now, you can't do that, you don't make no hit with me like that. But, now then, that man, he didn't believe in reincarnation. The man that come over here, he believed in reincarnation. Now, I doubt seriously, with this audience sitting here before me now, that many of you don't know the doctrine that pertained to reincarnation. Now, suppose we say this, pantheistic evolution by reincarnation. Then you wouldn't know, you've asked me to express these things in academic terms, and way on up, and then tell you about it. And then, when I do do that, then you don't know what it's all about, you're puzzled. And sometimes will say, 'Well, listen, I don't believe what that man said.' How can you believe something you don't know nothing about. Get the point? You just can't do that.
And here, I wanna tell you this, before I forget and run off. Now, Roger, Dr. Gross, now you can't fool nobody. You can't fool nobody but yourself. If you do have the Holy Spirit, you have to prove it. You just don't go around and tell people, 'I've got the Holy Ghost. Why don't you have the Holy Ghost like me?' Now, that ain't gonna work. Noooo indeed. That, now, you, that, that won't work! No good whatsoever. And you going around telling somebody what you believe, that ain't gonna get it either. no sir. For the most part, most of you don't even, just like I told you about those men. Now, when he spoke of reincarnation, if you know what the re means Now to say reincarnation, just simply, we'll just change the word, reinhabit, or return to the former place where you were.
Now here's the case of reincarnation in the Bible. I'm not going to go through no whole lot of scriptures. It's not necessary. Now, when Messiah, before He died on the cross during the time of His ministry, He sent His disciples out to cast out demons. Told 'em to go and preach and teach the Kingdom of Heaven was at hand. Cast out demons, or people say devils, which, at that time, was looked at, a lot of it, as afflictions, diseases, whatnot, mental deficiency and derangements; in other words, the lunatics and crazies, and physical impairments. In other words, heal those folks. And they went out and did that. And then they come back rejoicing because they cast those out.
Now, the scriptures have got to be fulfilled, they cannot be broken. So now, one time He's up in the mount, preaching up there. And He took His text on the same thing that was here. Said you'll. - - That's what, that's what some folks, people call the beatitudes, the 5th chapter of Matthew, down through the 7th chapter of Matthew. He took His text. Now, the reason why He took His text there, and the reason why He ascended the mountain was because He had to fulfill this; in other words, He had to speak to them from the mountain. Is that clearer to you now?
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Well now, when Moses come down out of this mountain, he found these people down here, after God had told them not to build that golden calf. Now, they did just the very contrary to what He told 'em to do. Well, now, when He comes back, here's Peter, James, and John here. Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu here. And both of these cases are a repeat, too, of this because all of, all of it isn't up there like it, like it was.
Now then, they found a man down there that was a lunatic, wasn't just right. And they was working with him. And it never done no good with this one, so then they asked Him, said... Now, now this, now, been casting 'em out all the time, but now they couldn't master this one. So then, He... they, they, they asked Him, 'Why couldn't we do that?' And He said to 'em,'This kind cometh by...' What?
Student Body: Prayer and fasting. 1
Dr. Kinley: Is that what he said? And He cast that spirit out; in other words, He healed that man. Right? Now, I want you to see who He was. Now, He was the real genuine Son of Yahweh; in other words, He was Yahweh, incarnate in a body walking around on the face of the earth. Now listen, now they were under the Dispensation of the Law at that time. They were partaking and they were eating of the sacrifices. They had to in order to fulfill what was done under the Law. But now, He tells them this power this time comes by fasting and prayer. Well now, not understanding, what a person would ordinarily think, would be that you have to abstain from food, from what He said to them, have to abstain from food. And if you... And unless you abstain from food, then you couldn't have that power. Well, let me show you what that, what that would mean.
Now, if they abstained from keeping these Passovers and these ordinances, which they were told to do, it would still have been wrong. But now, here's what they didn't see and here's what they didn't understand. Now, in this dispensation, over here on this side of the cross, we don't eat of none of that. We don't partake of none of the carnal ordinances; in other words, we are fasting! Total abstinence from food. We'll not participate or indulge in any of them. A complete fast; in other words, we will not eat no Lord's Suppers. We will not partake of any of those carnal ordinances that was on the other side of the cross.
'What do you mean? Do you mean that you won't eat no lamb? You won't eat no beets?' No! The fasting I'm talking about is you sitting down eating those things with the consciousness of obedience to the Law... Here's a man fasting! And look at how fat some of these people are around here. Running around seeing Dr. Harris about overweight, just as fat as they can be. Doctor tell them you best take off some of that lard. Fasting! And eating... Did you ever see any of that in here? I haven't offered nobody none. Did you get that?
Now, in this dispensation, the power, the power of God, or the power of the Spirit in you or what these things pointed to, the actual power is in you now! It's no more a shadow, it's a reality! Now right there is where the Devil got the thing all
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messed up. That's how he gives himself away, that they which are true might be manifested.
Now listen. Listen at me. Now, when He was nailed to this cross, and took down off of the cross, and put in Joseph's new tomb out there, and raised from the dead... Now, you can take a Bible and read about that. Anybody can. And after His resurrection, as Dr. McCoy spoke this Sunday, He went... He's gonna have to fulfill the whole thing. He, He was the Lord that prepared that fish that swallowed Jonah. Now listen. Now, that was not contained in the ordinances that was given to Israel. That was an order that was given to Jonah. And that fish symbolized the grave, or the tomb, in which Jonah was buried. And then, when Yahshua, the Messiah, resurrected from the dead, He couldn't do that until after He'd resurrected from the dead. Why? Because you can't eat the fish on the inside. You don't eat the tomb inside. You have to get outside and then eat the tomb. So, that is to say then, that death is swallowed up in victory2 ____ light, life immortality, but that has to be fulfilled.
Now here's where we're having all of our problems. We're not having any problems anywhere else. Nowhere else are we having any problems, but right on this what I am talking to you about now. And that is, we have got to have something to show somebody. We've got to have it. You know what I mean by that? You got to have something you can look at, and something you can show somebody. Now, Messiah said, in the 16th chapter of Matthew, or Mark, that they shall take up serpents. Right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, some idiot went out and grabbed up... Don't tell me. I was there! ...grabbed up a rattlesnake! Throwed it up in the congregation. What did you do that for? Said, 'Jesus said...' Chapter and verse quoted. Now, look, face it now. Jesus also said, in the 26th chapter of Matthew, this bread and this cup, he said take and eat. Now, they took one thing as literal as they did the other. And I'm gonna show you that I'm right, or die and go to Hell trying, by grabbing up a snake, a serpent, or an adder, or something like that, trying to show somebody how right you are.
Somebody else comes along, and they take a Bible, and they study, and study, and study, and study, and study, and study some more, go off someplace and then repeat and recite, and go back and look, study and recite, to show somebody how smart they are in the Bible. Know a couple of verses. Jesus wept. That's right. Now, that's what goes on all over the world.
Now, let's mention this. Now, polytheism. Polytheism means the plurality of God, more than one. Now, you got a sun god, you got a moon god, you got a water god, and you got, just you name it. Then you got 629 B.C. The Romans, and also the Grecians, they built up a house for their gods and their idols, and set 'em in there, according to whatsoever their concept of it was. Now, that's polytheism.
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Well, now, here comes along somebody says, 'Well, you know, I don't believe in that. Then you say... Then you turn right around, and you grab up some man. Get the point? Then you idolize me. Somebody else come along with the same organization, you idolize him. And when you get through with it... Now, that's polytheism, a plurality of more than one god.
Now, monotheism, that means just one.
Well, let me tell you about pantheism first. Now, this, this is the meaning of pantheism, the pantheistic concept. You remember I told you about pantheistic evolution by reincarnation a while ago, and I used those words? Now, pantheism is the concept that the universe in its totality is God. Now, all this in its totality... now, that's God. Now, the distinction and the difference between that and polytheism and pantheism, they have one thing for the sun, and another for the moon, and another for this over here, but, in pantheism, they just ball the whole thing up into... universe up into its totality, and made just that be God. Now, what they did not do, is draw a line of distinction between matter and spirit.
Now, I haven't tried to worry you with all of these things. I tried to get it over to you in simplicity, the reality of things. And as Paul had said, now, I didn't come unto you with excellency of speech, trying to show you how smart I am, but I come to you in all humility. And I want to say one thing to you. Nobody can say that I turned down anybody. Now, I have not turned down anybody. Now, I realize, am fully conscious of it, that I do have the advantage of you.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, I didn't buy that revelation. I did not buy it. But listen, let me tell you, nobody has ever been able to get by it! Nobody. And I told you I've been in the colleges, been in the academies, and met with the very smartest of men on earth, studied every known philosophy under the sun, everything you can imagine and conceive in your carnal mind. That's right.
Now, what did I say all the things I have said... Why did I say that? Now, here's why I said it. I want you to realize that it is possible for you to know the truth. I want you to realize that. It is not above anybody's capacity of intelligence. As Dr. Hosea Love said, when he was on the floor, it is the simplicity of it that proves the vision.
Now, in this dispensation, in this dispensation, now, you are a son of God. As John said: Beloved, what manner of love is this the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God.3 I didn't say saints. Now, if you go get your dictionaries, and look up and find out the reason why I didn't say saints... Yes, I know it's in the Protestant's, Catholic's, and the HOLY NAME BIBLE, too. Saints is one that is canonized in the Roman Catholic Church. Sons of God, that's what we really are. Now, the only way that you can be happy is just come on up with the ____, because you are the loser. You're the loser, not me, and my job is
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telling you.
Now, when we speak about this pattern. When we speak about this pattern... And the brethren have been up here saying this is a God-given pattern, and this, that, and the other, and so forth and so on. Well now, look, when you want to go back, and you want to tell me about some of the smart fellows, even can bring them up to date, if you want to. This writing in books, selling the books, and expressing their views and their thoughts on any given subject. Now, this is what they don't know. They don't know how to use it. They don't understand that it is this way.
Now, first of all, there is (I'll say it so you can understand it) there is a God. Now, that's number one. He's there, not dead. Now, I want to get this over to you, too, cause oftentimes people look at it like this, 'Well, I'm too insignificant, just irrelevant, and nonimportant. God is not interested in me. I haven't made the grade. I haven't scaled high. I don't have no reputation. My ancestors and progenitors, or the family which I come from, they didn't amount to nothing, or they did amount.' You can take it either way. It just don't really make any difference. People get all them things in their minds, and they think that they're not important in the scheme of things.
Now, I want to tell you, there has never been nobody in this world, and there never will be, nobody in this world, was no surprise to God. Every, every, every seed that has come into materialization, all the sperm that was ever injected into a womb, and taken on shape and form, was present and accounted for with Him in the beginning.
Student Body: All right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, here's Peter talking about it. Yahweh is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us, not willing... not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.4 Did, did you get that? Now, that shows you, God is concerned about you. He died. God gave His only begotten son, listen, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.5 You are important.
But now, the thing you gonna have to do is learn. And this is a scheme that the Devil don't know nothing about. And that is this. We can, as I was trying to tell you a while ago, about pantheism, monotheism, all these different doctrines and philosophies, these ideologies, these opinions, these concepts, these notions, there's a way that you can tell something about them. I brought the books down here, for example. Didn't we have down, didn't we have books here that we showed you? I've even got up here and read out of them books. Now, we drug them in here enough times. And then, back in Ohio, we used to have books all around us, you didn't get up and say nothing at no time, but what we didn't take
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5 John 3:16
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that book and open it and read it to you. Now, we are not a set of ignoramuses. We do know the doctrines of all of these churches.
SIDE 2
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now, let's see if I can get it over clean. Now, here's where all the problem is. God took special pains, said He was going to do it, was to hide these things from the wise and imprudent, and bring to nought the understanding of the prudent.6 How did He do that? When He pulled this on out, over here on this side, on this side of the cross, and in this dispensation, which we have now. The Devil been a clowning around with this, that, and the other. He's got to have robes and regalia. He's got to have something! As Paul said, having a form of godliness, but denying the power.7
You say you believe in God! Prove it!! Don't be telling me about it. 'How am I going to prove it?' All you have to do is open your mouth! You'll tell on your ownself, when you commence to telling me Peter, or anybody, is the savior of the world. Can't nobody save the world, only them that... only He that made it! Now, you oughta have that much sense. Do you see through what I'm talking about? Now, you're plain down right common horse sense, Wallace.
Wallace: Right!
Dr. Kinley: Somebody say, 'Well, look. I ain't gonna follow that man.' Pete said, having men's personalities in admiration,8 wells without waters.9 And always somebody say, 'I don't believe that stuff you're talking about.' You know the reason why they don't believe it? They mean that, too. They mean they do not believe it! And they're in earnest about it, too. You know why? Because they don't see nothing. Get the point. 'Where's the water? Where's the communion set? Where's the regalia? What have you got to show me that you're right about it? What do you do? Where is this and where is that? Where's the other?' They don't see a thing.
Go to talking with me about something. Said, 'Jesus said for us to do this.' I say right away, He didn't say that. 'Don't tell me He didn't say it! Pastor, why he's a biblical, Bible-read theologian.' He didn't say it. You know what he told me there? He don't know one dispensation from the other. Don't know one age from the other.
As of now... I'm just about through, Brother Williams. As of now, a man with the Holy Spirit in him, or a woman with the Holy Spirit, that's the only salvation!! If
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6 Matthew 11:24
7 2 Timothy 3:5
8 Jude 16
9 2 Peter 2:17
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you've got that, nobody is gonna believe in you. And you talk just like a fool. That's right. You don't believe that? If you look at the 2nd chapter of 1st Corinthians. Don't you always try to say, 'Don't you see? Don't you see? Don't you see?' No, can not see. Messiah said, except you be born again, you can't see.10
You're looking at a literal, at a material thing. And you don't see why that was. You're looking at matter without seeing where it come from. It's source of derivative. You get, you get it? You're looking at something and putting it in your... in your belly. That's what's all the warfare is about now. Is something going in the belly. Something go on the back. And we call that intelligence.
Now, we're talking about communist aggression. Well, look, if we had the truth over here, you wouldn't have to worry about no aggression in this country. Says there, the weapons of our warfare, they are not carnal, but they're mighty through God.11 Yes sir. Pulling down of strong holds... Look, will you let me just read one verse. Let me read one verse, maybe two. 2nd chapter of 1st Corinthians. I want you to see this. And this is, I told you 1st Corinthians, look it up. I find I don't remember just exactly what verse it is. It's irrelevant and unimportant anyhow. It's not important anyhow.
Now look. Paul said, eyes hath not seen. Now, really, Paul didn't say that. Well, 'Here it is in 2nd Corinthians! Didn't he write it?' No. He didn't say it, it was Isaiah that said it, Paul copied it. Eye hath not seen, ear hath not...
(THERE APPEARS TO BE A GAP IN RECORDING, POSSIBLY WHILE TAPE WAS BEING RESET.)
Dr. Kinley: ...for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things.12 Now do you mean to tell me... Let's get honest about it.
Do you mean to tell me that now God is revealing to you, or the apostles, guardian spirits, the things that He has prepared for them in the worlds to come.13 And here, you going to walk around here with some of your stupidity, and miss the boat, on account of some false or erroneous doctrine that some hypocrite preacher. Do you mean to tell me that? Do you think I... You don't need nothing like that!
Paul said it's impossible for them who have tasted of the good word of God and the powers of the world to come, if they should fall away, to renew them again,
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11 2 Corinthians 10:4
12 I Corinthians 2:9, 10
13 I Corinthians 2:9
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seeing they crucify unto themselves the Son of God afresh.14 Now, somebody said, Well, I just backslid.' No, you didn't. You didn't back slid, backslide. You never slid forward. That's what your trouble is. You just been running around playing a hypocrite. You're not fooling nobody.
All right. God has revealed them unto us by His Spirit. All right, read on.
Dr. Mary Gross: ...for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of Yahweh.15
Dr. Kinley: for the Spirit searcheth all things, the deep things. There's nothing covered up... the Spirit that's in you, searcheth all things, yea the deep things. Read on.
Dr. Mary Gross: For what man knoweth the things of a man,
Dr. Kinley: All right.
Dr. Mary Gross: save the spirit of man which is in him?
Dr. Kinley: save the spirit of man which is in him?
Dr. Mary Gross: Even so the things of Elohim knoweth no man,
Dr. Kinley: Even the things of Elohim knoweth no man,
Dr. Mary Gross: but the Spirit of Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: but the Spirit of Elohim which is in Him
Dr. Mary Gross: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world,
Dr. Kinley: Yes.
Dr. Mary Gross: but the Spirit which is of Elohim, that we might know that are freely given to us of Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: Yes! Yes. Now, the verse I want.
Dr. Mary Gross: But the natural man
Dr. Kinley: But the natural man
Dr. Mary Gross: receiveth
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15 I Corinthians 2:10
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Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. No sir. No sir. No sir. No sir. No sir. I said no sir! When I say no sir, I mean no sir! I mean you can't fool me with it. But the natural man, or the carnal-minded man, you can tell him all you want to. Them ordinances ain't no good. Natural man, he got to have something to show him! The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit. Why?
Dr. Mary Gross: for they are foolishness
Dr. Kinley: Didn't I tell you you talk like a fool. He don't see nothing you are talking about. He look down there at the Book, and will read a chapter or a verse out of there, and don't know nothing about the dispensations and ages. Don't know any dispensations. He thinks that Jesus says, and you must do it. Then, you will enter the spirit of the thing just that was under the dispensation, the natural man. You talk like a fool. Then, when he gets through telling you what Jesus said. You hear... if you don't know, you're in a mess. Now, all of them that Jesus said... I want to get you.., want, want you to see this. There wasn't a one righteous, no not a one. It took the redempt... That's why, when He said to them, they were all in the same boat, believe it or not. They had not been redeemed by His blood. But now, since He's offered, offered up once for all, and we're in another dispensation. Now the Spirit takes the place of all of that, and they don't see that. Read on.
Dr. Mary Gross: neither can he know them,
Dr. Kinley: Now listen! You can try to tell him. Don't you see? Don't you see? Don't you know? 'No.' Neither can he know, neither can he know. All right, read.
Dr. Mary Gross: because they are
Dr. Kinley: Now, here's the reason why, is because they are what?
Dr. Mary Gross: spiritually discerned.
Dr. Kinley: Now you have to have the Spirit to discern that. When somebody's up here preaching and teaching, and got you reading around in the Bible, if you don't have the Spirit, and you don't know what age and what dispensation, and you don't discern about that, that's the Devil up there. You understand what I'm talking about? And he's trying to tell you about natural things, and all them different kind of things. He don't know what it's all about. And then he tries to parade his education and all. There's so much of that. Now there's just no way for him to know, so, if there's no way for him to know, what do you expect him to say?
Now, this reincarnation, right quick. When them Devils was cast out on the other side of the cross, and then when they come back, now this is reincarnation. Just before He's crucified, He went right back up there to the Sanhedrin Council and said to them, you generation of serpents and vipers. And they put Him to death for it. Now, look, what happened was, them same old satanic spirits, they didn't come back like they was, just one. They brought back seven more. They brought
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back legions, and then the last state of that man was worse than the first.16 Now, that is reincarnation!
Now, that don't happen like that on this side of the cross, because, when the Devil is expulsated out of a man, just like the Devil when they come back on the other side of the cross, they found the house all swept and garnished. Isn't that what the Book says. Then he went and got a whole pot load over here, and moved in, to make the last state of that man worse than the first. But now, on this side of the cross... And listen, I want to tell you this. Ain't gonna be no hanging round, tarrying, waiting on the Holy Ghost. That's over. Somebody said, 'Do you mean ____? ' Yes, that's Pentecost!
Now the Holy Spirit's been poured out. Now, instead of it being like that now, when the devils's gone out, the house is furnished. It's occupied. You're filled with that. And listen, cap is screwed on tight, preserved. How long? Until the day of redemption. Now, that's the gist.
But there has never been nobody in this world, that didn't live, and move, and have their being in God.17 In other words, there hasn't been anybody yet, separated and independent from God at any time, in any dispensation and age, but they're unconscious of it.
I hope you got something out of it.
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17 Acts 17:28
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by Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
Recorder by Dr. Carl F. Gross on reel to reel recorder
Transferred to 2 60 minute audio cassettes by Gerry Rothstein
CATALOG #: 68.03 C
transcribed by Cathy Fenti
proofread by Michael Rothstein and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
SCRIPTURE READING: Hebrews 9
TAPE 1, SIDE 1:
Dr. Kinley: I just wanted to say that I am first to the floor there and I think it's my duty to.., if I would not have gotten up first. I planned to have someone else to get up here and say something to you but as I sat there and it comes to me like this. Now there are millions of people around that just don't understand what it is really all about. And they don't think that there's any possibility of coming to a profound knowledge of Yahweh and the truth; in other words, they don't think there's any way that we can be reconciled among ourselves. And they think that one of the ways, only one of the ways that, that such a thing can be done is to read the Bible and learn how to quote what was in the Bible. Now that, that, that won't happen. What that will do, will just further confuse. If you don't know how to go into it and to get some understanding about it. Now that's one of the things that we intend to do in this school. And it is possible for everybody to, to come to some
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understanding. It's possible. But now here's one of the things you must take, you must take what Yahweh has given. Now that's a must. You must take what He has given. Now there is no possibility of it otherwise. Now when I get through making this little preliminary speech, I'm gonna get down from up here, and I'm gonna let some of the brethren preach to you; teach.
Now this school is a school of teaching. And I want, wanna make mention of this too while I'm up here because I've been intending to do that: now we have given license to many of the men, and we don't have but a few women that.., about three I think or something like that, that has a license to teach. But, and, and we wanna give 'em something, but we do want them to be qualified and, listen at me now, now you can get sore with me about this if you want to, live a life, moral life, that is commended with your credentials. Now, now that's needed.
Now here's another thing I wanted to mention while I'm up here. Now this year is presidential election year. Now everybody knows that everywhere. Now there's gonna be riots. They've been working with that, in getting that thing already, as soon as the weather permits. And there's going to be riots and mobs in the schools, I mean the colleges and out in the streets and everything; and burning of homes and just all kinds of tumults and uprisings. Now just like you, like the war in Vietnam. Now, nobody knows nothing about what to do to settle the war in Vietnam. Now I just, when I say nobody knows, this is what I mean: I mean those in authority, they don't have no solution to it. Now, it's embarrassing to pull the troops out of Vietnam and not win the war. And every, everybody that's running for office, they don't know what to say about it. Humphery said tonight that if Nixon knew anything... He's a, that's a democrat and a republican. If Nixon knew anything about what to do to stop the war in Vietnam, why don't he tell us this year and not wait until next year. And Congress is up. Lyndon B. Johnson's back, now about the war, and about not consulting them about these men that they're going to send over there. Now they're.., it's Robert F. Kennedy and his father, and, and the boy that's dead now.
Student Body: Spellman
Dr. Kinley: Spellman. They're the instigation of it. But my point is, now they don't know what to do. They don't know how to stop it.
Now what we don't wanna do, we wanna know something about the truth about things and we don't wanna go around faking, making all like we know something when we really don't. We wanna put the genuine thing down here. As I said, now I don't wanna take up a lot of time up here, but I wanna point these things out to you. And now, there is nobody in this place but what can't learn something about the truth. It's possible. Now that goes for everybody. It doesn't make no difference how young you are. But you will have to take this, nothing else won't do. If you.., it won't do. Now, if the world knew that, then we wouldn't be in the shape and the condition that we are in tonight. Now I had Dr. Jimmy Yates, when he got up here to read the 9th chapter of Hebrews to you. Now you must remember that this epistle to the Hebrews, they are Jews, they are Israelites to whom both covenants, the Old and the New, was made. Now the Old Covenant
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was with the Jew given from Mount Sinai. But now, before then, there was a, a Abrahamic promise. Now this covenant that he makes with the Jew here, didn't disannul or blot out the promise. Now he makes a New Covenant, not this one. Now listen at me close. Now this one, this Old one stood only in meats and drinks and divers washings and carnal ordinances. Now for the most part, the ministry out here actually doesn't know what a carnal ordinance is.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: When you say carnal, they just think about a carnal mind. Well a carnal mind and a carnal ordinance goes together. Now carnal just simply means literal, physical, natural, not spiritual. Now you can get a dictionary, anybody can get a dictionary and look that up. Now listen at me close. Now all of it had to be fulfilled, couldn't be removed until it was fulfilled. Just could not be removed, had to continue on until it was fulfilled. Now Yahshua the Messiah fulfilled it, and dedicated it with His own blood, not the blood of bulls and goats and heifers, but His own blood. And He entered into the Holiest of all, or into heaven itself, as we just read, now to appear in the presence of God for us. Now if you noticed it, the reading of the Hebrews there... Now look at it, look, look, look right at it now, the 9th chapter, we had him to read it, so that, so that you can... Now it says, suppose you start to read.
Reader: Then Verily the first covenant
Dr. Kinley: Now it says, then verily or truly. Now listen, now this is the first covenant with Israel. That is not the first covenant that God made. There was covenants: Edenic or Adamic, Noahic. Then comes the promise: Melchizedek and Abrahamic. Then comes this first Covenant with his seed. And then the New Covenant with His seed. Now while we're trying to figure out some way or some routine operation to set up some kind of a service, a ritualistic performance, some kind of a guide. Repeat.
Reader: Then verify the first covenant had also ordinances of service
Dr. Kinley: Now verily the first covenant had ordinances of service
Reader: and a worldly sanctuary
Dr. Kinley: and a worldly sanctuary. Now she's reading that out of the Holy Name Bible. Now read it out of the King James Version.
Reader: Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances
Dr. Kinley: Now the first covenant had ordinances. You know what an ordinance is? Ordinance is a law. Alright, read.
Reader: ordinances of divine service
Dr. Kinley: of divine service
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Reader: and a worldly sanctuary.
Dr. Kinley: and a worldly sanctuary. Now look, to carry out that service, I mean, I'm talking about the course of procedure. And it wasn't just once or twice a week. It was a daily ministration, it was a everyday thing. And it always started like this, among the Hebrews. And it had what?
Reader: for in the first compartment of the tabernacle
Dr. Kinley: for in the first compartment of the tabernacle
Reader: were the candlestick
Dr. Kinley: was a candlestick
Reader: the table
Dr. Kinley: a table
Reader: and the shewbread
Dr. Kinley: and the shewbread
Reader: which is called the Holy Place
Dr. Kinley: which is called the Holy Place.
Reader: and beyond the
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Now the Messiah said this, in Matthew 24:15, said now, when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the Holy Place. Now for the most part, Christiandoom don't even know where that is. They don't know where to stand, cause they don't know anything about the Holy Place. And it is not the Holy Place made with hands.
Student Body: Alright. Okay.
Dr. Kinley: But the Holy Place made with hands, you just read it down there further, is a figure for the time then present, not now, but then present, in which was a golden candlestick and the table of shewbread. Now, here's what we do. Nobody got no business arguing with this. We don't care nothing about what church you come from, or even if you are an angel from heaven. Now listen at what I'm saying. Heaven itself is pictured by this, this pattern. It said it was the figure of heavenly things. Now listen, if we got the figure of the heavenly and we got it down here on earth, then we got the guide. You get it now? Now the reason why I'm saying these things is: I want you to know. I want you to be saved. I want you to see that it isn't just coming down here every, every Wednesday and Friday and Sunday. It's not that. What we wanna do is give you a profound knowledge; an unshakable, an irrefutable, a profound knowledge that
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even an angel from heaven, which this earthly is a figure of the heavenly, if it's a figure of the heavenly, don't you see it doesn't make any difference about an angel coming from heaven, say anything other than that, then there's nothing else for him to do, but be wrong. Is that clear to you? Now I felt it my duty to get up here and tell you these things. Now, what we have done, read it again, which is, the one where you, where you just left off, the candle, golden candlestick, had gold candle...
Reader: for in the first compartment of the tabernacle
Dr. Kinley: Now the first compartment. Now this is this: the first compartment he's not talking about the Outer Court. Now you see this, the tabernacle around here. And this brazen laver, that's this brazen laver there, and under this is the altar here and this is the laver here. And then you go in the door, that's it in here. And in here you've got the golden candlestick and the table of shewbread. Now listen, I don't care where you come from, you can't fix that. Now that golden candlestick, now that, that, now watch the figure, watch, watch what it's pointing to.
Now those of you that get up here, that can't remember chapters and verses, that, that, that can't remember what chapter and what verse it is over there. Then we wrote it all around here. If you forget, all you have to do is just walk up here and look at it. Just walk up here and look at it. Walk up here and look at it, you can read it right down there. Get the point? Anything you want about it, all you have to do is just read about it. That'll tell you what this is all about, tell you what this is all about, tell you what this is all about here.
Now them vessels had to be placed in there. You can't change this over here and this over here. You can't move it no kinda way. Now let me show you what moving it about, would amount it to. Now, you'd have to move your heart and your lungs in yourself. Now that's what happens if you move 'em. And everybody's got one of them things. You get it? Everybody's got one. Now then, Messiah said, looking at the golden candlestick that illuminates the sanctuary in here. All you have to do is look, look over here, it says, try this. It looks like to me.., I let me, let me put my glasses on. Now I'm not trying to remember that. Now here's John 5:35 and 8 and 12. Read it.
Reader: He was a burning and shining light
Dr. Kinley: He was a burning and shining light. Read 8th chapter and the 12th verse.
Reader: Then spake Yahshua again unto them
Dr. Kinley: Then spake Yahshua again unto them
Reader: saying
Dr. Kinley: saying
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Reader: I am the light of the world
Dr. Kinley: Now you take.., ain't no fix, no repair work on it at all. It don't make no difference who's in the pulpit. You get that now? No, no, no repair work. Somebody might come along and say, 'Well I, I disagree with you.' No, you're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with the Book. And you can argue with that all you want to. Get the point? Now let me show you something else. Now, now let me show you something about this. Now this is this altar of shewbread. Now all we've done is taken these vessels, chapter and verse. That's all we've done, that's all. Get it now? Down here. 6, 7, 6. Now I want you to look at the 8th chapter and the 5th verse of Hebrews.
Reader: who serve unto the example
Dr. Kinley: Now this, this, this serves as an example
Reader: and a shadow of heavenly things.
Dr. Kinley: As, as an example and a shadow of heavenly things. Read.
Reader: as Moses was admonished
Dr. Kinley: as Moses was admonished
Reader: of Elohim
Dr. Kinley: of Elohim. You got God in your Book. In other words, Moses was admonished, after he'd seen up here, seen the vision of this tabernacle up here. And God took him all, Elohim took him all, showed him about all the vessels and the dimensions and everything. Then when he come down here, he was admonished. Admonished of what?
Reader: when he was about to make the tabernacle.
Dr. Kinley: Now when he was about to make it. Now that was Korah, Abiram and Dathan, they were down there. They're supposed to be good builders. They knew all about construction work. I'm trying to tell you in such a way, you know what I'm about that. Now they, they, they was gonna find a better way to make this more substantial. Now Moses down seen it up here. Done revealed it to him up here in the mountain and he's seen it. Now he comes down here to, to make it, and he's got some carpenters and what not down there, knows all about construction work and how to make it better than what God showed Moses. Abiram, Dathan, and Korah. Now Moses didn't argue with them, didn't fool with them, said he just drew a line. Said, 'Now all them's on the Lord's side, you get over here, and all them's on their side, get over there.' And they separated and divided. And the earth did opened up. God did open up the earth and swallowed 'em on up. And Moses went on. And God admonished him; He told him, said, 'For see saith He...'
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Reader: that thou make all things
Dr. Kinley: Now, you make all things
Reader: according to the pattern
Dr. Kinley: according to the pattern
Reader: showed to thee in the mount
Dr. Kinley: showed to thee in the mount. Well, why? Because it's a figure of heavenly things. You have heard preachers say, 'Well, I don't know what's in heaven, but come on, let's start on our way tonight.' Now all they had to do is look at the pattern. That's right, he don't know nothing about it, because this is a figure of heavenly things. Yes I know this is a poor drawing all around here, but the angels belong all around the veils here on the interior, across here and across this vail here and the cheribims of glory that you read about there in Hebrews of which we cannot now speak particularly. Now when Moses was about to ma.., build it, God says to him, now you make all things according to the pattern that He'd showed him in the mount. Now that's what we are going by in this school. Now reverend so in so (so and so?) can't tell us no more about it than God.
Now let me show you the vital importance of it. If you were to take even the smallest, listen, ultramicroscopic particle of matter, which is the atom, and examine it, then you would find that it had a proton, neutron, and electron. Place it up beside you and that's what this is, this is you here. Then you got a Most Holy Place, chest cavity, a cranial cavity, chest cavity and the abdominal cavity. Everybody's got one of them things. You are pneuma, psyche, and soma; soul, body, and spirit. Now there's just no need to arguing about it. Male and female has got one of them, is just what I just said. And your sex don't make no difference cause there's neither male nor female, bond nor free, but we're all one in this dispensation. Now that's what we're trying to teach you down here. Now listen close at what I'm saying. Now Yahweh Himself, Yahweh Elohim is the archetype, that means original, pattern of the universe. Moses built this tabernacle that He showed him down here, but this tabernacle of the universe, Yahweh Himself builded and not the man. Now I can look at that and see how He showed Moses, how, how, how, how, why it was, that it's a Most Holy Place, Holy Place, and a Outer Court. Most Holy Place. Every.., these 6 days, I can see that. And that's the scheme that runs through all of nature. Listen, even the migratory, we call this, we're calling this tabernacle the pattern. Now it's taken from Him, Himself. Now this pure spirit here is inconceivable and incomprehensible and without any shape or any form. Then He took on shape and form. The shape and form. Now look, now Moses looking right at Him, he said, 'Man here is made in the likeness and image of God or Elohim.' Then Elohim transforms or transfigures into this tabernacle; in other words, this tabernacle is Him transfigured. This is the Temple. (DR. KINLEY TAPS THE CHART.) Now look. First pure spirit, then incorporealization, then He come down here and walked around in the flesh: that was Him manifested in the flesh. Don't believe me, look it for, at the, look at your Book. 1st Timothy, I believe it is 3:16. Read it out of the King James Version
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Bible. I don't care which one you read it out of.
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Reader: Without controversy
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. There's just not, now that's without controversy. Controversy means a debate or an argument. Now just without any argument out of anybody from anywhere. Without controversy, without argument out of anybody from anywhere. And there's nobody that'll argue with you about it but the devil. Don't tell me he won't argue with you. He argued with the Messiah. Now look what he done. Now it says without controversy.
Now here's the controversy. When He's out there in the wilderness, we got it down there more frequently on that chart there, so He's out there in the wilderness to be tempted. The devil said to Him, 'if you be...' Now I wanna show you how that argument comes up too, cause I see a lot of 'em don't understand that. Now when He was baptized in the River Jordan and went into the wilderness, just like Israel was baptized here in Red Sea and went into the wilderness here. Now you'd do well to follow me. And I want you women and you men to be able to tell this story like it is because there is salvation in it. There is power in it. It will save anybody. It will cast the devil out. Now your seniority, I'm not talking about that. Now, when He was baptized here in the River Jordan, a voice came from heaven and said, 'This is My beloved Son.' Now I heard it argued around there wasn't no place where it was said that He was the Son of God but Him saying it. Well we see He was crucified. But this voice, I tell you, it come from heaven and said, 'This is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.' And that was confirmed too when they was up in that mountain. Mount of transfiguration. It was confirmed. That voice came from heaven and said,'This is My beloved Son.' Now somebody, the Jews most in particular, try and run around and argue about whether He was the Son of God or not. But now, I'm talking about something here. Now He said He was the Son of God. Now when He's baptized, went straightway into the wilderness. And then after He gets out in the wilderness... And I haven't seen no preacher that knows what I'm talking about, what I'm fixing to say, I haven't seen it. You'll find this down here in about the 4th chapter of Matthew, and you'll also find it in Luke. The devil says now, 'if you be the Son of God.' You heard the voice come from heaven saying that it was. Now he goes out there and asks Him, 'Now, if you be...' Here now Yahweh said He was. You get it now? And so now, we got this passover plot. Arguing around about it. Says, 'But now, if you be the Son of God command these stones to be made bread.' And I haven't seen a preacher yet, not yet. I haven't seen one that couldn't read that, but I haven't seen one that knew anything about the stones he was talking about and why the devil said that to Him. Now I'll tell you. Now when the children of Israel went through the River Jordan under Joshua, they took 12 stones out of the river to mark the place where they crossed over Jordan. And they put 'em up in a, as a, 12 stones marking 12 tribes; indicating 12 tribes. Now when they get across the River Jordan, Joshua told 'em, now you prepare vittles on the third day after that they were gonna cross that river. And incidentally after Moses, they, for his death, they mourned his death 30 days. That's the reason why I say, we know what
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we're talking about down here. And then Joshua give them three days to clean up. Now that's 30 and 3 is 33. Well now, the Messiah here, when He's 33 years old He entered on into... Don't you see that? He's fulfilling. Now, as they crossed over the river, took those stones out of there and marked. And they told their, their children, told them to tell their children, if they asked about these stones, then you tell 'em what it, what it means. And marked it, even the place that they crossed the river; 12 stones, the 12 tribes. Now listen, then the manna ceased. They received manna down here in the wilderness and they were fed that manna. It come down from heaven. And then when they crossed over that the manna ceased. Now they didn't have the manna to eat. There's the stones marking the place, representing the 12 tribes. Now the devil said to him, having heard, he said, now of these 12 tribes, which is 12 stones, said,'Command these stones to be made bread.' Ain't no manna, He's out there 40 days, no manna. Question: why? He was the bread Himself. That's what He's saying here in John, and on this table of shewbread. 'I am that bread which came down form (from?) heaven.' All you have to do is look it up here in the Book. It's just up there, just as plain as the nose on your face. You can't miss. Down here some of us had a slang saying, 'We just can't loose (lose?).' Not with this stuff we use. We're using the scriptures. And we've got that thing so it... Look, it works all the way too, from start to finish, from beginning to end. And it never gets out of that category, never gets out of it at all.
Now this we call an elementary chart. I'll be done in a minute. But I wanna show you now, why it is. Now here it's the same thing back out here in the Garden of Eden. And if you noticed there's a Court Without. That's what this line and all indicates there. That indicates this court, this Outer Court here. And when that tabernacle is placed right along the side of it, then we got the whole thing. 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. (DR. KINLEY KEEPS TAPPING THE CHART WITH EACH NUMBER. IT SOUND LIKE HE'S COUNTING THE THREE PARTS TO EACH OF THE 12 PLATES ON THE ELEMENTARY CHART) Now listen, it doesn't make any difference. We're all into the formation of the Godhead Itself: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. Seven. The gate, the gate to enter in here. The gate is one, two the altar, three the laver, four the door, five the Holy Place, six the vail, seven the Most Holy Place. Can't improve it. Every day of the creation as you have it recorded there in Genesis, the first chapter of Genesis. I don't know of, some of you haven't never noticed this, Moses always... Now listen at what I'm gonna say here. You see the whole chapter comes right down into the second chapter with an AND. The evening AND the morning were the first day. And AND, and AND, and AND, and AND. Now look, now here goes John on the Isle of Patmos. He didn't say the next day, the next day, the next day, the next day. He didn't say that. He said, 'After this I saw.' Well, what's He doing out there. What's his story. All that he's doing, that's the reason why they don't understand Revelation. All he's doing is confirming what Moses saw. That makes up the revelation. Now the Messiah He's fulfilling. And John's life was preserved to be on the Isle of Patmos and he's just looking back and confirming everything. So now the Genesis... Look, give me your, give me your Bible. The whole entire Bible itself from back to back. It's just wrapped up. There's no excuse for nobody not understanding. No excuse at all. But you'll find this: every time Yahweh said anything, now this is the devil's job, he's gonna always contest it. Always. He's
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gonna get the opposite side of it, and he's gonna question it. Now for you to be a qualified and a capable teacher and instructor and to be saved yourself, you have to be able to prove the divine authenticity, the accuracy, the unerring accuracy, the infallibility of this book which we call the Bible. Now listen. Interpolations. Now those are spurious phrases. Mistranslations, they can all be picked up and put together perfectly. Read where I told you, in Timothy.
Reader: and without controversy
Dr. Kinley: Now without controversy. Now, there's just, there ain't, you don't have out one to argue with you. Now God says a thing, now here's a argument. The devil out there arguing, 'if you be.' If you're a preacher, prove it. John said, 'What manner of love is this, the Father hath bestowed upon us,' not only Him, 'that we should be called the Sons of God.' Now if you're a son of God, prove it. Just like the devil calling on Him out there, to prove it. And don't you think the devil ain't gonna make you prove it. He gonna make you prove that one. He gonna make you do that, you needn't to worry around with it and about it. It's coming up. Ain't no need of you running around here saying that you are this nor that or the other. Whatever you say you are, he's gonna make you prove it.
Now, I wanna mention this too. Now it was traditional and customarily for the priests back here to wear garments, a linen garment, then garments of beauty and glory. Now every thing today follows in after that pattern of wearing some kind of a, a garment of identification. The ministry. That's why the priests wear clergy vests. They wear other ind.., to indicate their profession. Now when you go, now, now I'm trying to get after it so you'll know. Now when you go over seas or when you join the army, they got, they have to put something on you to identify you from the civilians. The chef, the cook I'm taking about, the chef, he's got on a cap or what not, that identifies him as the cook. The doctor, in the doctor's office, he's got a garment that he puts on, he wears.., that indicates that he is a doctor. The nurse, she's got a, a garment that she wears to indicate that they are that. Now I said that to say this: I am not against nobody wearing any kind of a garment of identification, and I don't want nobody to think that I am, because I am not. Because that's done all over the world, something they identi... But now look, there's no need of wrapping, say of a wolf being wrapped up in sheep's clothing. You all, you all, you understand? That's right. Be whatever you are. There's a whole lot of responsibility put on you when you put on something that indicates your position or your profession. Do you get it? Do you get it now? Then whatever you are, be that. If you're a cook, be a good one. Ain't that right? If you're a soldier, be one, a brave one. If you're a doctor, be one. I just wanted to let you know them things. I have never.., now I don't wear nothing much. Got a little star of David up here, just means I am a spiritual Jew. I'm a Jew too, and not ashamed of it. Now I don't mean one of them hard headed boys back there. Don't, don't, don't equate with that one. You know what makes a Jew? When you will hear the Gospel, not the shape of his nose, because if he rejects the Messiah, you know what, you know what the Book says about that? Then they'd be unto you as a publican and as a heathen.
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Listen, for common salvation and the faith, listen boy I didn't say work, which was once, not twice, just one time, delivered unto the sons of God. You got saints in your Book. Now it's necces.., now he told you why. He said, 'For there are certain men.' Listen at what I'm saying to you. It's important. 'There are certain men,' listen, 'who are ordained of old.' Meaning this: that them satanic spirits way back here were cast out and incarnated in physical bodies, which he sent the disciples out to cast them out before He died; and they have come all the way through the ages. Certain men who were ordained of old; in other words, Satan and his demons or his angels, they were cast out of heaven. They were ordained of old way back here. He appeared to Eve in the Garden and deceived, not Adam, they didn't deceive Adam, deceived Eve. She's typical of the Church. They were ordained of old, listen, unto this condemnation. Listen, said they've crept in unawares. Jude's writing now to the, to them that had the Holy Spirit poured out on the Day of Pentecost on. Said now there was, this devil is crept in, coming in on down here, crept in, wasn't noticed; unaware of it. Listen, listen to what I'm saying. They have.., you got that in the Book? Suppose you read it.
Reader: turning the grace of our El, of our Elohim
Dr. Kinley: And they have done what?
Reader: turning the grace or our Elo...
Dr. Kinley: turning the grace. You heard me, I said grace. Can't you read? Turning the grace. Listen, Paul says for by grace are you saved through faith. Listen, that not of yourselves, it is the gift, free gift. Now the devil's got you around here trying to work up on something. You know what I mean by work up on something? He's got a bunch of ritualistic.., up would call hisself administering the communion, saying that Matthew 26:26, Jesus said for us to take and to eat. And he's transubstantiating the actual body and blood, that grape juice into the actual body and blood of Yahshua the Messiah. Now if you believe that, you're, you're nuts, you're just nuts. Now why did I say that that way? What's in, what, what they're telling you that man is up there creating Christ. I'm trying to talk so you'll understand. Now if you believe that, you are nuts. Now that's the Catholic view. Now the Protestant view is consubstantiation. He says, 'No, that's not what we're doing.' He says, 'Now this is a type and a shadow.' Well listen, we don't want no shadow, we want the genuine thing. Get the point? Now that's what they're doing out there in the churches. They're turning the grace of our Yahweh Elohim into a bunch of just down right foolishness. Listen Roger, get up. Come on out here. Can't you see that man's shadow. Can't you see how his shadow's down here on the floor. What's the use of me running after, trying to grab your shadow. All I got to do is just get you. Now that's what they're doing back there fooling with them things.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's what you just read in the ninth chapter of Hebrews. This was a type and a shadow. Isn't that right?
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Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: I don't want no shadow, I want the real thing. Now in order to get the real thing, all you have to do is just take Roger. You don't have to worry with it down here on the floor, looking at the shadow. Here comes somebody about shadow boxing. Thank you Roger. I'm trying to give you, I'm trying to give you the genuine thing. Now listen, Yahweh is spirit. He... God is a spirit and He seeketh such to worship Him in works.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: of righteousness.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now somebody said, 'Well listen, I'm not following Kinley.' Mouth all stuck out. So what would you follow? I'm following Christ. Another one up there, up there they got in an argument about it. One said, 'He's of Paul.' One said he's.., let's, let's make that Bishop Short. Another says, 'No, I ain't of Bishop Short.' I'm making a parable. Another says, 'Well, I'm of Apollos,' that's Dr. Harris. And another one says, 'No, I'm not of that either.' Another says, 'Well, I'm of Peter,' that is Jimmy. And he's got another one up there too. Now who do you think? He said, 'I'm for Christ.' You get the point? Now is He divided like that?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now who is Paul? Who is Peter? Who is Apollos? Was any of them crucified for you? Do you, do you see what... It's plain as the nose on your face. Now these men that's ordained to this condemnation crept in unawares. ____ ____ Titus 3:5.
Reader: not by works of righteousness
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Now he said under the grace, which means that you didn't merit it at all. Nobody never earned no salvation. Nobody merited it at all. Somebody says, 'Well don't tell me, I paid my dues.' Yes, but you didn't, you didn't merit nothing. Hmmm. Somebody says, 'Yes, I'm a candidate for baptism, it's coming up next Sunday.' Somebody said, 'And I'm a candidate for baptism.' And Billy, Billy Graham's running around telling people, 'Just join any church of your own choice,' that he might get a great big audience when he comes around.
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He's got contracts with this one and that one and the other one and all the Christians toward him, and get, it gets as many suckers as they can. He says they can go to their respective and, and anyone of them that joins belongs and so they can run them in. And then they got a write up in the paper, there to go Sunday morning to the church of your choice. Now the church, that they are the congregation or assembly, that is the body of Yahshua the Messiah. Now how
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many messiahs are there? Now they've turned the grace, they were ordained to this condemnation, that's their job. They all were. Now look, after all these carnal ordinances: circumcision, water baptism, and all this was nailed to the cross, fulfilled and nailed to the cross. Then, over here, we're not practicing that Old Covenant. We're in the Kingdom of God. See the point? Now, all of this back here just pointed to..., this was natural, carnal, or pointing to Him. Now when you get Him, you got the whole thing. You're circumcised with the circumcision made without hands. He's circumcised eight days after He was born. You got that? ____ too. You have.., somebody said, 'Well, Jesus was baptized, and He was baptized in the water, if He, if, if, if He was baptized, I ain't no better than He was.' They say, 'if He was baptized, it's good enough for me.' Isn't that right? And we had one in here saying Philip joined to the chariot. Stopped the Chariot said, 'Here's water.' And both Philip and the eunuch... He did too, went down in the water, and Philip baptized the eunuch and went on his way rejoicing. But before he got to that, he went down there and he preached to all of Samaria. Preached to all of Samaria, but nobody in Samaria got the Holy Ghost, not a one, until Peter and John went down there. Well if didn't nobody in Samaria get the Holy Ghost until Peter and John went down there, why would you think that the eunuch after he was baptized out there got the Holy Ghost? Don't see nothing where he met Peter and John, do you? It said he went on his way rejoicing. Now here's something else you didn't know about that. Now you'd have went back and looked about the eunuch in the law. That's the reason why we tell you go to the Law and to the Testimony, if they don't speak according to this word it's because there's no light in 'em. Now that eunuch. Paul was one of them too. He couldn't, they couldn't be admitted to the congregation with them back under the dispensation of the law. Somebody said, 'Well why?' That's what, that's what you oughta ask. Why? Is because the eunuch is not fertile. He don't have no offspring, no children, can't multiply. Now look, what business then has he got in there telling somebody else's kids what to do? He ain't got none of his own. And God said he was gonna multiply 'em, but he ain't done nothing. Get the point? So he wasn't admitted in there. What's in the prophets, they wrote? 56th chapter of Isaiah. Said, they won't have no more... There used to be the sabbaths, and at that time is gonna. Said he was gonna move that thing out of the way. And they wouldn't say no more that he was a dry tree. And he was gonna give them a special elevated place in the congregation. And that's how Paul got in. He had to be out there with the Gentiles. That is the reason why he was up there with the Sanhedrin Council. But now when that Holy Spirit come in. Now listen. Here he ain't got children after the flesh. Here on this side of the cross, you got 'em after the spirit. So then now, Paul had none at all after the flesh, but look at all them after the spirit. There he has multiplied in this dispensation, not born after the flesh, but born after the spirit. That's the reason why he called Timothy, his given son in the faith, that's why he called Titus his son in the faith. Oh I tell you, now that's the difference between one dispensation and another. One is a multiplication in the flesh; the other is multiplication in the spirit. And under the dispensation of the Law, the man that was wounded in his seed, his stones; he was not fertile and therefore was not permitted in the congregation of the assembly. Now then, when Pete.., when Philip would go down, and meets this eunuch and he preaches to him there. The eunuch didn't know nothing about he was reading, and asked him about it. And Philip told him about it, and the baptism
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of John, and he told him about the Holy.., pouring out of the Holy Spirit. And now here's where he'd come in. And so the eunuch said, 'Now, now what hinders me?' He, he said, if you believe with all your heart. So then he stopped the chariot. He went down there and baptized him. And the eunuch went on his way rejoicing. You get the point? Here is water, physical water. Now look, we're baptizing with water, but he that believeth on me as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. This He spake of the spirit.
Man sitting close to recorder microphone: Living water, living water, right.
Dr. Kinley: Now the devil, he can't see nothing but the natural. He don't understand nothing. Somebody could turn around and say, 'See, see.' No, he don't see. How's a blind man gonna see? Certain men crept in unawares who were ordained to this condemnation and turned the grace... Heaven was searched, the earth was searched and no man was found worthy to open the book and to loose the seals. Then John said, he wept much on the account of it. And then he looked again and he saw that lamb that is slain, even before the foundations of the earth. God always makes preparation for a restoration and redemption before something happens. Now here's somebody doesn't understand what it's all about. As soon as somebody comes along and does something to them, that they don't think oughta be done to them. They'll, they've gotten used to saying like this, 'Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.' Meaning, if you kill my dog, I'll kill your cat, or God'll kill your cat. If you do something to me, then God.., 'I'm gonna tell God on you.' I really think He found out about it before either one of you. Say, 'Child, I'm gonna tell on you, I've.' And then some of 'em say, 'Well, I'm gonna get down here and pray for you.' And, and some of them that got it, got it up to the ____ ____.., Said, 'I want you all in.' Want to start on their way to heaven, come on up here for today so we can pray for them. They're done beating you in the back and screaming and slobbering and spitting all around every.., telling, 'You got to pray for me, child.' There ain't nothing like that in your Bible. He didn't tell you to pray. Now look, listen, let's make it clean. The spirit in you makes the intercession for... But that man hasn't got the spirit in him and you tell him to pray for you, down there beating him in the back and then got him up lying, said, 'How do you feel now?' Yes, that's right. Now, we laugh at these things now. He didn't tell nobody to pray for you. 'But what must I do?' Repent, not pray, repent, believe on the Lord Jesus. Then you don't worry about it. He didn't say believe on Henry, didn't say believe on Pete, didn't say believe on somebody else. Now listen, Yahweh only has.., listen at me now, I want you to know how big of fool we are and how stupid we are. We'll let some cardinal or one of these that's ordained to this condemnation, come along and tell us, said, 'God sent him to preach the gospel in this latter day.' And he gets up and all these natural things that was down under the dispensation of the law; he's got you bowing down to... Crept in unaware. And look, reading out of the Bible too. Don't you think he ain't reading out of the Bible. He is reading out of the Bible. Turn over there in the 7th chapter of Matthew, He said, 'Judge not.' 'Jesus said it. Jesus said.' Said, 'Who said it?' Said, 'Jesus said.' And when he gets done telling you about what Jesus said. Now here's what they don't see. None of these people back here, they didn't have the Holy Spirit. The promise that God made to Abraham, it was poured out here. Joel said, Peter got up there and
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said, that this is that which was spoken of by the prophet, prophesying that in the last day that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh. And what did you do to mer.., merit it?
Student Body: Nothing.
Dr. Kinley: And, listen here folks this is, this is some more of the bad part of it. Now this is bad. Not one of you is a jew. You don't have no business starting there because of things in there about keeping the Sabbath day. He ain't said nothing to you about washing no feet, He ain't said nothing to you about taking no Lord's Supper. At no time. He hasn't said anything to you about the feast of Pentecost, eating no lamb and bullock and offering up of no turtle dove, and what not. But He did say to them that done 'em. He said, 'Come unto Me, all ye that labor.' It was a pretty stiff job getting some bullocks and things up in them, up in that mountain, up, up in Mount Moriah. That's the reason why the money changers, they brought the cattle up there and the doves, and they tied it right out there and the cattle could, where it could eat. So you wouldn't have to go leading a bull up the side of the mount. They established some money changers up there, profiteering, and they made His house a den of thieves, as merchandise. They ain't got through with that yet. Here when He overturned this, the money changers' tables, saying something about it. And here you are up here paying somebody to get up here and to lie to you. Said, 'What are you going up here.' The Lord says, 'He give us, he that lendeth it unto the Lord, lend it to Him.' Lending the Lord something. Now I'll tell you, it's, it's... Said, 'Paul, He went around and he took up a collection.' They say, 'Well, what'd he do that for?' For the poor saints which was at Jerusalem.
Person: That's what I said, That's what I taught, I taught that.
Dr. Kinley: We've got the basket. They're passing it around the building. 'This one, it's mine, have mercy.'
Person: That's right. That's what they do.
Dr. Kinley: Passing it around. Now we got that for this. Then you'll, you'll find another one coming right down behind him. Ain't just that, the... Now, got about everything you think you can get out of you, says, Would you mind coming up here and offering this to the Lord?' 'Well since He won't take it, I guess I'll take it.' Just the biggest fool you ever saw. Paying for it too. Sweating and getting out there, children going barefooted, no milk in the refrigerator, nothing there for his eating, and paying somebody to lie, hypocrite preacher. It's a disgrace, a shame.
Now faith comes by hearing and that by the Word of God. You hear the real genuine gospel preached and you believe as the apostle said or the jailor said. Remember I told you about that? When they were, Paul and Silas was in prison and they put 'em in there for preaching the gospel, for preaching in that name. And then the great earthquake occurred and the jailor, he thought everybody was gone and his life was in jeopardy. So then, now, he was starting to kill himself. And Paul said, 'Do yourself no harm, we're here.' The jailor said, 'Now what must
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I do to be saved?' That's a 64.000 dollar question. Somebody says, 'Well, I'll tell you what you can do, you come on up here and give me your hand.' He didn't mean that. That pocketbook. He didn't mean taking ____ ____. Then you become a candidate for baptism. And then after you done all they said do, then they got the nerve... This is the truth. Bishop, you know I'm telling the truth about it. But that man is experienced in these things. Am I, am I telling the truth doc, Dr. Williams?
Dr. Williams: That's a fact, I've taught in this school.
Dr. Kinley: Then after you get in there, after you get in there, after you done got baptized, you done got your feet washed, you done eating I don't know how many Lord Suppers for six months. You're on probation 6 months, which means this: after you done got in, they still ain't got no confidence in you. They gonna see how you do for 6 months. Now you know that's true. You're on trial, on probation for 6 months. Getting you ready for a paid ministry. Now where do you find that in the Bible. Just tell us any kinda junk. Now all these kinda things is the cause of all these riots, and all this mob fighting, all these wars that are going on up here. All this tumult against the races and the nation and the secretary started in on first one thing and then another, just what I'm saying. A republican and a democrat and just anything. Somebody come along and says, 'Well I'm a mason, I'm an oddfellow, I'm a this and I'm a that. I'm a black muslim, I'm a, I'm white supremist.' Just, just any and everything. You're gullible. Yes and it sounds good, Said, 'Boy you oughta take up for your race.' and then go right over here and tell Dr. Harris, 'Boy you ought to take up for your race.' And then here in your building Dr. Harris got the police all over ____ ____ ____. Do you see how stupid we are. That's the way the devil's got us going and all over the world. Now these things must come. They must come . Now somebody said, 'The black people, they're the underprivileged people.' That sounds pretty good. Said, 'You can't get no jobs no where' More of them on the relief now anywhere else. They have segregated their houses, ____ ____ ____. They are isolated and all them different kinda things. Now then, you go and pull up by the white man. I'll tell you. You look to the wrong fellow for salvation. Now what's the white man gonna pull up by? Get the point? Now here we are, standing right on the brink of the thing. Yes, before He goes to pull the curtain down, just like ____ ____ ____. And I'd have you to know that the black folks were the first to rule the world, the world. The dark people, Babylonians. That was one of the seven wonders of the world up there. Black folks. Is that right Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that right Brother Williams?
Brother Williams: That's a fact doc.
Dr. Kinley: Then you know what happened to 'em? God overthrowed 'em. You know what for? Idolatry. Now when he was up and out, there's Israel taken captive against them. Here they come in, going into Babylon, taken captive. Had old Bel setting up there on the wall, had Nebo over here. Those are idol gods up
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there on the wall. Nebuchadnezzar, he took the sacred vessels of the sanctuary, he was... Oh he was important, that boy. Drinking wine out of the vessels of the sanctuary. And you know what happened? Then something wrote up there on the wall: 'mene, mene, tekel, upharsin.' Your kingdom is divided and given unto the Medes and Persians. Israel come in there. Look, somebody says, 'Now, you haven't seen nothing like this.' Bel was an idol. In fact you put one over there on the wall, it's that figure right there. Nebo's up there too, that's the top god. Israel come in there strutting on up down and you, you talk about the your March, Freedom March out there in the streets, and a parade. They marched on in Babylon. Bel, an idol bowed. And the world never heard tell of an idol. Idol bowed: Bel bowed down, Nebo stoopeth at the presence of the Lord. Now do you understand? But God overthrowed it for idolatry. The reason why you're in the shape and the condition that you're in now is because you are dependent upon the wrong person. You're dependent upon nationalities and races and you're depending upon a dollar instead of depending upon Yahweh to deliver you. They didn't purchase their freedom out of bondage down here with no money, not a thing that was down in Egypt, enslaved. They didn't purchase their freedom from Babylon with no, no price. You can't put something into shekels and put your price. Now Christ was raised, for a man to resurrect..., you were redeemed by the blood. Now let's just read that ____ ____. There's no salvation in no other. There's no salvation in, in Peter. There's no salvation in Paul. There's no salvation in, in, in, in Kinley. There ain't no salvation in that man. He's the man to be saved. He's not the savior, but the individual to be saved. And now in conclusion, I'm sorry I took up all this time, but can I just go...
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Will you let me?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Suffer it to be so. Now look, I tried to tell you. Now Moses don't know nothing more about the creation, Bishop Short, than I do and you do. Plato1, Aristotle2, Socrates, Spencer3, Huxley, ____, nobody (I, I almost got it all) know nothing about it. Now He told him to build this tabernacle. But now listen, this
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1 427 - 347 BC., Greek philosopher. The philosophy of Plate (Plato?), especially insofar as it asserts the ideal forms as an absolute and eternal reality of which the phenomena of the world are an imperfect and transitory reflection, The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc. 1970.
2 384 - 322 BC., Greek philosopher, pupil of Plate (Plato?); tutor of Alexander the Great; author of works on logic, philosophy, natural science, ethics, politics, and poetics. His deductive method of logic, especially the theory of the syllogism and formal logic dealing with the relations between propositions in terms of their form instead of their content. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc. 1970.
3 1820 - 1903, British philosopher. The system of logical positivism developed by Herbert Spencer, setting forth the idea that evolution is the passage from the simple, indefinite, and incoherent to the complex, definite, and coherent. Also called synthetic philosophy. The American Dictionary of the English Language. American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc. 1970.
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tabernacle he built up. ., but the greater and more perfect tabernacle, the tabernacle of the universe, He built Himself. Never made no errors, never made no mistakes. And listen, out of all of your smart men, your scientific research. Read anybody's scientific article in any up to date magazine you want to and all it is a proton, neutron and electron. You've got the Father, Yahweh; Son, Yahshua; Elohim, Holy Spirit. Now, here's my story, here's my story. This is what I'm trying to teach all of you here. Now if they abstain from keeping these passovers and these ordinances which they were told to do, it would still have been wrong. You see that now? But now here's what they didn't see and here's what they didn't understand. Now in this dispensation over here on this side of the cross, we don't eat of none of that. We don't partake of none of the carnal ordinances; in other words we are fasting. Total abstinence from food, will not participate or indulge in any of it. A complete fast; in other words, we will not eat no Lord's Suppers. We will not partake of any of those carnal ordinances that was on the other side of the cross. What do you mean? Do you mean that you won't eat no lamb, that you won't eat no beets? No. The fasting I'm talking about is you sitting down eating those things with a consciousness of obedience to the law. Here's a man fasting; and look how fat some of these people are around here, running around seeing Dr. Harris for being.., about overweight. Just as fat as they can be. Doctor tell 'em that, 'You better take off some of that boy.' Fasting. And he...
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Don't nobody living know no more about it than me. No, you don't know no more about it than me. And listen, that that means this. I don't have no boasting to do, no bragging to do at all. No sir, no ma'am, I did not read up on it. And if it wasn't that Yahweh showed me, I wouldn't know no more about it than anybody else. So you see that leaves me without anything to boast about. Do you, Do you understand? And that's the way it is. Now this work has been as I told you, all around the colleges; it's all through the world as of now. It, it, it has actually gone all over the world, this work, and nobody that has been able to dispute it. Why? Because what you are doing, you are going by a pattern. When you start in your Bible Genesis 1:1 says, in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, and the earth was without form and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters and God said, 'Let there be light,' and there was light. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Now you got a division there with light and darkness. Now suppose I ask you because I'm... and you're, you're in the world... Supposing I ask you, say, 'Why did God, do it like that?' 'Huh? Let me tell you something boy, I ain't gonna, I'm not trying to meddle in God's business.' He don't know. And just instead of him just coming up there plain, flat and saying, 'I don't know.' Won't do that, that would ruin his reputation. And I could ask him one thousand questions and everything; for example, now the next day, the next day, what happened the next day? Divided the waters above from the waters beneath. Why? 'Huh? I can't, it don't make no difference to me, all I know is, it says in God's Holy Word that He done it.' That's right. We're going on down on the third day. On the third day in the creation. Say, 'Look here.' Said, 'It says down here that God divided the waters off of the, the waters off of the face of the earth and let the dry land appear
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and the seed of vegetation penetrated the soil. Why'd He do that?' 'Huh?' He come right back, same thing. 'It says that, don't it? Listen, I believe what's written in the Holy Bible.' He don't know one darn thing about it. Now you got a story there. Have you got his story now? Look at this one. II Corinthians of 1st, 2nd chapter of 1st Corinthians. Listen here, like the Jehovah's Witnesses one time here not too long ago, when I asked them, 'How?' When some of my brothers children, now they're Jehovah's Witnesses and all. Said, 'Ain't nobody ever beer into heaven to come back and tell nobody nothing about it.' I said, 'Well, you never read, you're not too well read, are you?' Said, 'Hard to prove, uncle Cliff and you know it, the Bible says.' When you haven't had any vision, you say, 'The Bible says, eye has not seen, ear has not heard neither has it entered into the heart of man.' We could tell you some of the names of the folks that did that, but he's reading in the Bible and he don't know nothing. Suppose I say to a scientist, 'Say tell me why an atom is composed of a proton, neutron, and electron. Tell me why the hydrogen atom is only two fold. You say you believe in the Bible. You supposed to be knowing something, say you know God.' You see the point? Now how you gonna convince somebody about something, you don't know nothing about it your ownself. Alright. Corinthians there.
Reader: But as it is written
Dr. Kinley: But as it is written
Reader: eye hath not seen
Dr. Kinley: I'll be down, I wanna cut it up short.
Reader: But the natural man
Dr. Kinley: but the natural man
Reader: receiveth not the things of the spirit
Dr. Kinley: He has never been born of God, he's a natural man. Now you can stand around and tell him all you want to. Believe what he gonna tell you and this is what he gonna tell you. He don't know the difference between a dispensation. He gonna tell you, 'Well, Jesus said this. I'm not following Kinley, I'm following Jesus. Jesus said judge not.' 7th chapter of 1st, 11th chapter of Matthew says Jesus said, 'Judge not, for fear you may be judged.' And just turn right over in the 6th chapter of 1st Corinthians and you read it, 'Dare any of you having a matter against one another, go to the law before the unjust.' Don't you know that the saints shall judge the world? And are ye not worthy to judge the smallest matter.
Reader: that one down there you got in 2nd Corinth, or 1 Corinthians
Reader: But the natural man
Dr. Kinley: but the natural man
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Reader: receiveth not the things
Dr. Kinley: Now, he's not gonna receive it, when he's standing there telling, trying, trying to tell Nick that he must be born again. He said, 'Now, can a man enter the second time in his mother's womb and be born again?' He's a natural man. Head of the Sanhedrin, counted one of the smart boys too. And He told him said, 'Just, just have to put it this way, just marvel not, got to be, you must be born again. Now unless you are born again, you cannot see the kingdom of heaven.' Now the kingdom of Israel back there, you remember we talked about carnal ordinances? They can't see that. Now look, when you look at a natural birth and a spiritual birth, a natural or a carnal ordinance and a spiritual. He don't see, He don't see. It doesn't have none, no effect. Alright. Read. Now watch it, watch it. I'm not just reading this to have some fun.
Reader: not the things of the spirit of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: not the things of the spirit of Yahweh
Reader: for they are foolishness unto him
Dr. Kinley: Now you can say it's foolishness unto him. Unless you've got something to give him on a plate, it's foolishness to him. Unless you've got something to give him to drink, you're foolish. Unless you've got some water to put him in, it's foolishness. The natural man and a natural thing or the carnal ordinances and a carnal mind; and to be carnal minded is death ____ ____ it to the gentiles, so says the apostle. Alright read on.
Reader: neither can he know them
Dr. Kinley: Now look, you can just say, 'Don't you see?' And, 'You see Joe?' Now you're wasting your time. That man is blind, he can't see. He can't see why we are saying that. And that's the reason why we tell 'em in this school, there's no sense in you going out down here down the street and getting in no argument with somebody down there and losing your job and creating a lot of enemies out there in the street. There just ain't no sense in that. Now there's a time and a place. In Ecclesiastes a time to be born, there's a time to die, there's a time to speak, and there's a time to keep your mouth shut. There's a time to get and a time to lose. Now, from as long as we've been going to this school, it's time you learned something. With all the experience that you've had out here talking to these people around here, it's time for you to learn that a natural man there, He is not going to receive the things of the spirit, cause you talk like a fool. Alright, read on.
Reader: because they are spiritually
Dr. Kinley: You have to have the spirit to discern what we're talking about. Alright read.
Reader: because they are spiritually discerned.
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Dr. Kinley: Now that's what, that, that's how you discern that. Now if they had the spirit it wouldn't be no problem. But they don't have the spirit and they ain't got nothing to discern it with. Read.
Reader: but he that is spiritual
Dr. Kinley: Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, hold it, hold it, hold it. Now I want you to read Matthew 7:1 and put this together.
Reader: Judge not
Dr. Kinley: Judge not
Reader: that you be not judged
Dr. Kinley: that you be not judged
Reader: for with what judgement you mete
Dr. Kinley: Now look. There was no, not a one. Now look, there... Are you listening? You sure you're listening? The high priest himself, you read there in Hebrews, the high priest, when he went in here, he had to offer first for his own errors, in no position to offer them up, sacrifice for nobody else. He had to offer his for his own errors, and then for the errors of the people. Now here we are.
Reader: but he that is spiritual
Dr. Kinley: Now, now, now you see Jesus said. Now there's always somebody saying, 'Jesus said.' He did say it, but that was in the dispensation of the law. They didn't have nothing to judge nobody with. And listen, if you don't have the Holy Spirit now, you haven't got nothing to judge nobody with and you don't know what's going on. And that's what's making people say they disagree. Alright read. Now get this one.
Reader: but he that is spiritual
Dr. Kinley: but he that is spiritual
Reader: judges all things
Dr. Kinley: He that is spiritual, the man that's got the spirit judges everything. Everything you can think, everything you can do. I ain't gonna put you in no water Jimmy. I ain't gonna give you no crackers and grape juice. And you wash your own dirty feet. Now of course if you were disabled on something other like that, I, I might, I might try to help you out. I'm talking about salvation now. We were washed from our sins in His blood, the washing of regeneration. It's not by works of righteousness. That's Titus 3:5. I told you to read it a while ago. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us. How? By the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. You
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running around here trying to merit salvation. And somebody is stupid enough to think that they can purchase salvation with a few bucks. Pray somebody out of purgatory. Somebody says, Well, God blesses the cheerful giver.' I ain't gonna give you nothing for lying to me. And the truth about it is you oughta have that took away from you, cause you ain't nothing but a robber. That's right. Robbing a man of his money and then robbing him of his soul on top of it. Now do you see why I got up here? Now this is the, this is the kind of preaching I done back yonder. And I just got in all kinds of trouble. They don't allow them kind of preachers around. That's why we got this school. This school never would have been, if they'd let us go out here in these schools, out here in these churches and preach it. And listen, I don't want nobody to think anymore of me than what they see me to be. But he that is spiritual judges all things. Do you see it now? And listen, and another thing too. Let me say this folks, you can't fool nobody. There's always somebody trying to tell you just, 'I don't see what you're talking about, this is the way I believe.' Every last one of them, of Yahweh's people, every son and daughter... In fact when Saul was asked about, 'Is Christ divided?' Said, 'We're all, He's not divided, we're all the ministers of Him'
No problem at all for us to agree, but in Babylon, 17th and 18th chapter of Revelation, confusion. Look, and the reason why we can't get straighten out on how to carry on ahead, you got a form of godliness, but you deny the power. Now look folks, I'm gonna try, I'm gonna put this up here one more time. Now you heard me, cause I, I, I, I'm in that body. You know I'm good about sitting up in that seat when time is up. Here you got a pattern. You got blood, water, spirit. Somebody say, 'I don't see no water there.' It certainly is. God told him that he's going to come out of there. Said in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread until you return unto the ground. Now look, all these things have to be fulfilled. Now Yahshua the Messiah out there in the Garden of Gethsemane He's out there praying.., great drops that night before He's crucified. ____ ____ great drops of sweat, fulfilling him out there. Got to, got to have Him having blood in the sweat of His face. And then He went on from there, on up to see Caiaphas. Held, drug backwards and forward. And then He was lashed, beat all that night, just sweating, in the sweat of his face till he was, would return to the ground, till they took Him down off that cross and laid him in Joseph's new tomb. And then you look at it, not knowing about the purpose. Look, Adam's driven out here... World.
Here's the Messiah of prophesy, 'Behold you despised, wonder, I'll work a work. I'll work a work in your day that you shall not believe, though a man declare it unto you.' And it is not by any works of righteousness which we have done, but it is according to His mercy that He saved us. Yahshua the Messiah died out there on the cross, so says the Book, while they were yet sinners. And listen, He wasn't just hanging out there on the cross, dying out there, like a lotta people think. Said, 'He, through the eternal spirit.' That was the eternal spirit that was in that body. It was through the eternal spirit that He offered Himself without ____ or without sin. Lo, I come in the volume of the book, listen at me Farley, as it is written; it's back to Moses and the prophets. Listen, I don't mean ____ ____. Listen I don't mean ____. Here's what happened with Him, in the volume of the Book, as it is written of Him to do thy will oh... And He, listen, watch it now. Somebody's alway talking about a lot of lost books of the Bible. You remember that, Farley? ____ism. Said,
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'Lost Books.' Some of them they oughta throw away,. They're corrupt. Wanna talk about the Koran, wanna talk about the book of Jasher. But now He comes. How could he say to the Jews, how could he say it; search the scriptures if they were lost; He that believeth on me as the scriptures have said, if they was lost? I come. What's to fulfill every jot and every tittle, except that which is lost.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: You look at it. You believe on me as the scriptures hath said. And then some idiot comes along and says, 'Well.' Buddha4, Zoroaster5, Spinoza6, Socrates7. Then got the guts and nerve to come on over on this side of the cross, the scriptures done been fulfilled and all and talk about the Koran ____, which is nothing but a corruption. Listen folks, let me say this to you. All that's gonna ever be written for our divine inspiration, has been revealed and fulfilled. And here it is right out here. John writes in Revelation that He's got it. And there isn't anybody gonna come along down here with any different story than what Moses and the prophets come along with. If he did, he's a liar. And they're coming now saying that 'Well, God sent me in the last days to straighten the world out and to establish a universal Utopia upon the earth.' And here he don't know straight up. You ask him a question just like we, just asked, 'Why did God divide the waters above from the waters beneath? Why He did it on the third day?' Why this and why that? Look here. It's black dark down here in Egypt. And so it's got to be black dark. This is the beginning of the migration and now then in the earth up there, it's got to be the beginning. Yes, it's that way. Dark down there three days. Now we got one, that he didn't die out there on the cross. No, God never died out there on the cross. The spirit, we told you that, it was through the eternal spirit. He bowed his head in the locks of his shoulders and gave up the spirit. The body was dead, dead as it could be. Yahweh, you just read over there 'without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness. Yahweh, weh was manifested in the flesh, seen of angels, believed on in the world, preached unto the gentiles and received up into glory.'
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4 Title of Gautama Siddhartha, 563 - 483 BC., and the founder of Buddhism (the doctrine that suffering is inseparable from existence but that inward extinction of the self and of the senses culminates in a state of illumination beyond both suffering and existence). The American Heritage Dictionary. American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc. 1970.
5 Persian prophet of the sixth century BC; founder of Zoroastrianism (the religious system founded in persia by Zoroaster and set forth in the Zend-Avesta, teaching the worship of Ormazd [the chief deity, the creator of the world, the source of light, and the embodiment of good] in the context of a universal struggle between the forces of light and of darkness. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc. 1970.
6 Known as Benedict de Spinoza, 1632 - 1677, a dutch philosopher and theologian with the philosophy of ministic idealism. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc. 1970.
7 470 - 399 BC. Greek philosopher and teacher; condemned to death for impiety and corrupting youth. His philosophical method of repeated questioning to elicit truths assumed to be implicit in all rational beings. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc. 1970.
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And some idiot thinks they got some kind of a death, burial, Passover Plot. Said, he'd give him something to bring him in and help the subconscious state. Now that, if it was that way, deception, then there ain't nothing to none of it. No, He gave up the spirit out there and the flesh was dead out there on the cross.
Yahweh is spirit. And it was the spirit, He caused that body to be. What is matter. Matter is spirit materialized, your soul, incorporealization and spiritualization of your inner man, which is Yahweh Himself. Listen, it is in Him, we live and we have, we move and we have our being. Believe it or not Billy, that's the way it is. Said, there's another thing too, Billy. Said we ought not to think that the Godhead is like wood, ____, gold and all. Listen, let me tell you something else. You got a great big monumental structure out there. And your chest all stuck out, talking bout the church I got down on the corner. And our regalia... And we're all... Mr. Roman Catholic is something to look at boy. Billions upon top of billions of dollars; gold, silver, every precious thing that they could gather up in the Church. Just like old Pharaoh did down there. And now they've build up these great big monumental structure which costs millions of dollars. Then when you got through with it, you look over there in the 17th chapter of Acts of the Apostles. Look back over there in the Kings and see what Solomon said, when he went to dedicate the temple. One that God gave the actual divine, specifications and instructions to Solomon up there, David, and then Solomon built it, which Solomon got our there and ____ ____ ____ dedicated to God. He said, 'Look, the heaven of heavens;' there's three heavens, first heaven, second heaven, third heaven. Paul said, 'I knew a man that above 14 years ago that was exalted up to the third heaven, and heard things impossible for a man to utter.' Now here's Solomon's saying, 'the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee, to say nothing about this house that I have builded out here on Mount Moriah. Paul, looking at it and talking to the Grecian philosophers. He said, 'Ye ought not to think that God dwells in temples made by hands.' Oh boy, ain't that something? Just talking about these great monumental structure that they build up here. And their church that's down on the corner, and the choir all robed out. And all them different kinds of things. And how beautiful it is and how wonderful they can sing and play the piano and the organ and the pipe organ. And then some of the cong.., people forget about the piano and the organ. Gone on up to the pipe organ. Says, sure is heaven. Said, 'Don't you want to join our church?' And we talk about some little old cabin setting over yonder, over, across the, in Jerusalem somewhere. Now that, those temples is torn down. Don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. And that God dwelleth in you, you are the temple. Oh boy, when you begin to pen..., and men who search around in these atoms and molecules and the cells and all these kinds of things that makes me up here. David looked at it and said, 'Gee, he sure is wonderful, man is wonderfully made.' Doctor's got a little glimpse, run down and said, 'Look here.' Slip out your tongue boy and let me see what's the matter with you here. Says, 'Uh, uh, I'm stumped. Said, heart beating 70 times a, a minute. Says what's happening doc. Don't know. He don't see that man lived 930 years, died 70 years short. 70 weeks is determined upon him. They don't understand nothing about it. I'm sorry.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
recorded by Dr. Carl F. Gross
1 90 minute audio cassette
CATALOG #: 70 BY
transcribed by Jackie Bowers
proofread by Cathy Fenti, Michael Rothstein, and Gerry Rothstein
proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand.)
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
SIDE 1
Moderator: Our first speaker will be our founder and Dean, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I am happy and glad and delighted to see so many present, in this day of trials and tribulations and troubles and misunderstandings, miscomprehensions, politically, ecclesiastically, and also economically and universally. I think I covered the waterfront.
Now, I'd like to say, first of all that I have been talking to you and telling you that I had a special sermon that I wanted to get into with you and to enlighten you on some of the things that are, are not very frequently said anything about in an understandable way, throughout Christendom and also in the world of today. Things you ought to know something about that would cause you to have more respect for Yahweh. Not look at Him as a providential or a, well for the sake of the new people, let me use this word, interchangeable God and Yahweh. Now, God is a title, that is not a name. Now, Lord, that derives from Baal, its creation is the derivative of it. Now, now, you that haven't made any study of these things,
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naturally when someone comes along and says something like that to you, your first thought and consideration is, well that fella is telling us something that is not in our Bible. No, it's not in there that way and the reason why it's not in there that way is because it's been mistranslated. Originally in Hebrew, it was in there. It has been taken out. Now, if you make some research you would find that it has been taken out and consequently it's not very much known.
Now, listen to what I'm going to say and it is important. Now the name of the Father is Yahweh. Now, that's the true name. Now, He said that was His name. Now we have told you that the Mormons and other denominations have went on to tell you, even the Jews, that others have written books such as Enoch, the seventh from Adam, written the book of Enoch. And you people that are desirous of ecclesiastical knowledge and information, when you go to a bookstore and a book of Enoch is paraded out there, it's supposed to be written by Enoch the seventh from Adam. Well, you buy that book and you read in there and you think you have discovered something that is not generally known and you took that away and then you praised it. You go back again and you look and you find a sixth and seventh books of Moses and you buy those. And you read those and you do, tuck that away. You go back again and you're researching and you find the Talmud, that's a Jewish commentary and interpretation of the scriptures, and so also is the Mishnah. They're, their ideas, just like you would write a
commentary on each verse of the Bible, that's their context of it or you got that and you tuck that away. You go back and you get the Kaballah (Kabbala?). Now some of these things I'm saying, I know is not familiar to some of you but I'm just telling you about books that you can go and buy on the market. And which educators seek around and try to find out something to stay ahead of the game, and to be recognized as a leader and as a wise and a smart man.
Now you got the Kaballah (Kabbala?). Now, the Kaballah (Kabbala?) is a, is a book that is written and it expresses a concept of, and goes back and calls this name Yahweh, stands it out. And then, now you think, 'well, I've got that together, now we'll still continue to our research and we'll go back and get the Holy Koran and then we get into that and that was supposed to be written by Elijah Mohammad (Mohammed?).' Well it was not it was written by Baccus (Bacchus?). Muhammad (Mohammed?) was born in 6, about 632 A.D. Now he goes back in the scriptures, Genesis and what not, he goes back to the scriptures and they comment on that. Now instead of calling Him, I have to get right down on this. Instead of calling Him by the name of Yahweh they call Him Allah. Now Allah to them is what Yahweh is to the Jews. Then we have got friction by those people. Now, look right up here. This same day, right this day, all up and down Egypt and Arabia and Palestine, the same identical people are in confusion. The Jews and the Arabs and Nassar says there is no way to settle it, with the possible exceptions of a blood bath. They cannot be as he says it reconciled. This is what it brings us to now to say to you that Abraham, now we don't, we can't go in to all this detail because it's too long and drawn out thing, so I have to take short cuts and try to get the point over to you.
Now, Abraham was the father of Isaac and Ishmael. Isaac by Sarah and Ishmael by the bond woman. Now, that is the father of the, Isaac and then comes Jacob. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. From Jacob comes these 12 sons that makes up the
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12 tribes of Israel that was brought down into Egypt in bondage and all of you know that story. Now, in as much so, as Abraham had a son by his wife Sarah when she was old, about 90 years old. Now Yahweh said in Isaac shall thy seed be called, not Ishmael, but in Isaac.
Now listen to what I'm going to say. And it was through Isaac who was a type of Yahshua the Messiah that all of the families of the earth would be blessed. Now get this straight. That means that Ishmael, by the bond woman, Abraham was as much his father as he was Isaac's father. Just as much his father. And there was 12 princes of that ____. 12. Now you got 12 sons of Jacob. You got 12 from Ishmael, sons of Ishmael. 12 and 12 make 24. And now, they are scattered up and down this row here as of now, from Egypt, Arabia and all into Palestine.
Now, we have always told you this, now you pay attention to what I'm saying and foll..., try to follow me as close as you can. Now we've always told you to, maybe somebody better read it. To the law and to the testimony. Now folks this don't make no difference, none what so ever, who's saying otherwise. This is the way it is. This is what you have to do, so saith Yahweh. Read Isaiah 8:20,
Reader: to the law and to the testimony
Dr. Kinley: to the law and to the testimony
Reader: if they speak not according to this word
Dr. Kinley: Now it don't make no difference whether they are Jew, Arabs, Roman Catholics, Protestants, did you understand? It don't make no difference, if they don't speak according to this word, it's because there is no light in 'em.
Reader: right
Dr. Kinley: Now I want you to catch the thoughts, right there you cannot go back and take a man that is born in 632 A.D. and write a Koran. Now, now look what I'm talking about. 632 A.D. that means after the Messiah, after Christ, anno Domini. Now, way back here when the law was given by Moses, 1490. Now somebody said BC so I just put it here this way. There's no such thing as BC. Now, you can't take,
Reader: 1490
Dr. Kinley: 1490. Now some of you might have to get with me there and help me on this board because I don't wanna take up this, I don't wanna take up the time foolin' with this board, but I am determined to show you what I'm talking about. 1490. Now that's when the Moses, Moses wrote the.., that's when Moses wrote the, the law. Now here's where it was written at. It was written here in the wilderness of Sinai and it was written by divine inspiration. Now, then, here comes the Messiah here and let's say, now some people got this in their books, B.C. 4 and 5 as the year of His birth. Well, now let's get it, let's say A.D. 1. Now, His birth was the fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18: (would you mind?) 15 and Isaiah 9:6.
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Now, this is what I'm doing, want you to see what I'm doing. I'm going to the law and I'm going to the prophets. That's what you said. They say if they don't talk like this it's because there's no light in them.
Now listen, Yahshua the Messiah come along and this is what He said. Matthew 3:14 and 15 and 5:17. Luke 24:44. Now, I'm gonna tell you what I'm talking about so you're able to follow. Just writing these things up here on the board don't mean a thing unless you explain them. Now, what I'm talking about now is Elijah Mohammed coming along writing the Koran and yet He was, was born 632 A.D. Got you running around with your mouth all stuck out, just like the Jews is running around with the Talmud and Mishnah and their mouth all stuck out. You get it now? Arguing about, they're something. Now, here's what Messiah said. Now listen. Now He comes in, He's born and He comes in and fulfills, fulfills. Now, here's what they've got. They've got i n s t i t u t e. They've got institute. Now look folks, that just exactly backwards. Elijah messed with the Koran after He done fulfilled every jot and every tittle there is in the law and the prophets and got you running around here with your lip all stuck out. Just like the Mishnah and Talmud that they challenge Christ or Yahshua the Messiah with. Tried to change them all up, listen now, not recognizing and totally unaware and unconscious of the fact that that was Yahweh walking around in a body. That's what it was. What you did, you challenged the Creator. Let that soak in and you be more careful about what you are doing.
Now, that was the Koran and the Mishnah and the Talmud. Say Freddie, put some of these words up there, Dr. Harris or somebody. Dr. Harris, put Talmud and Mishnah so these people can go home and drag out their libraries and look at some of these books and things.
Now, what we're trying to do this year 1970. Now, this is what we're trying to do and I don't think, that you are, now this is me. I do not think that you are justified in becoming angry or provoked with me for telling you the truth. And now Satan, your adversary, that deceived Eve back in the garden, now you come all the way down through the ages and is manifested in such personalities that I am now telling you about. I don't think you ought to get angry at me for it. Do you understand what I'm talking about? Then if you do get angry at me about it, you're still gonna have to face and you're gonna have to acknowledge, and your knee is gonna have to bow and confess. You're not gonna get away with a thing. You got the Mishnah and Talmud, and rub any of that stuff off there if you want to, just rub any of it off there.
Now what they're doing, what Christendoom, now this is what they're doing. I say they're wrong and when I say Christendoom, Dr. Harris, for me define that. I am talking about the Roman Catholics and I am talking about the Protestants. I said they're all wrong. You ought not to say that unless you can prove it. Why did you say they were wrong? Because they call Yahshua the Messiah a liar that's why I said they was wrong. How do they call Him a liar? This is how they call Him a liar. And you better read, now I'm saying, talking about Roman Catholics and Protestants or Christendoom. Matthew 3: 14 and 15,
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Reader: But John forbade Him saying,
Dr. Kinley: but John forbade Him saying. Now listen, now this is what somebody usually do. Now, let me, let me tell you what your troubles are. You are mentally deranged, you are silly, you are foolish, you are feeble minded, to become offended at the truth; in other, other words put it so you can understand it a little better, you just don't have a sound mind or good sense. I couldn't talk no plainer than that to save my life nor yours. You're just down right ignorant, you are stupid, you're a fool. Somebody says, 'Oh yeah must have said, Jesus said.' Didn't say no such a thing, said whosoever call his brother a fool and a liar is in danger of hell fire. He was talking about them Jews back there, wasn't talking about us. Read, now this is why I say they're wrong, all of Christendoom, read,
Reader: I have need to be baptized of Thee
Dr. Kinley: then John went to Him. Now read on, I'm in a hurry. This time has got to go by and by fast, read fast,
Reader: and comest thou to me?
Dr. Kinley: and John cometh to Him
Reader: and Yahshua answered and said unto Him
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua answered and said unto Him
Reader: permit it to be so now
Dr. Kinley: And John said unto Him. Yahshua said to John, permit it to be so, or you have it in your King James version, suffereth to be so now. Well why?
Reader: for thus it becometh us
Dr. Kinley: for thus it becometh us,
Reader: to fulfill all righteousness
Dr. Kinley: to fulfill all righteousness. Now hold it folks, now you see what He said, fulfill. It becometh us to fulfill. The word fulfill,
Man: complete
Dr. Kinley: all righteousness
Man: Bring to an end
Dr. Kinley: Bring to an end. Close it out. You cannot fulfill something that has not previously been instituted. Now that's why I raised all the sand, I raised about Mohammed and the Koran, cause He had been there and fulfilled.
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And listen, Elijah that Malachi said would come had come. This is, this is Elijah that Yahshua the Messiah is talking about whom you know as John the Baptist. Now, you want some proof on that? If you do, hold up your hands, don't be ashamed. I see 2 hands. Any more? Right. 17th chapter of Matthew. Now these are the reasons why I'm not gonna buy it. Now while you're into that 17th chapter of Matthew, I want you to take Malachi 4:4.
Reader: but I say unto you
Dr. Kinley: But I say unto you
Reader: that Elijah is come already
Dr. Kinley: But I say, no, read Malachi 4:4, then read this.
Reader: Remember ye the law of Moses my servant which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel with the statutes and judgements. Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet
Dr. Kinley: Now listen as it's read. Read it so every, maybe you better get up, some of them is a little hard hearing. Turn around, then read, read it out loud. Where are you reading?
Reader: Malachi 4 and 5.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's. that's the prophecy, right? All right, Deuteronomy 18:15. I said to the law and to the prophecy. Now here goes the law and here we come to the prophecy.
Reader: Yahweh thy Elohim will raise up of thee a prophet from the midst of thee of thy brethren like unto Me. Unto Him shall you hearken.
Dr. Kinley: All right read on. That's enough of that. Read, yours, Malachi
Reader: Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet
Dr. Kinley: Behold I will, I will send you Elijah the prophet. I think it's about 400 years before the birth of Yahshua the Messiah and here is Malachi prophesying that Yahweh is going to send Elijah the prophet. Now, here's something else I want you to know about Elijah the prophet and John the Baptist. I want you to know that so far as Elijah is concerned, just nothing to him. It is nothing to Isaiah, nothing to Jeremiah, nothing to Moses, nothing to no thing. No flesh got no right to boast in His sight. It is the Holy Spirit in them. That's what was in Elijah. And that is the same Holy Spirit that is in John the Baptist. Has that, you got it now? Read it again,
Reader: Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh. And he shall turn the heart of the father to the children
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Dr. Kinley: Hold that one right there. I'm getting warm, I wanna take my coat off. I wanna get, I wanna get you straightened out. I will send you Elijah. Now listen folks, Elijah ascended into the ethereal heaven in the eyes of Israel in the chariot of fire, that is to say he didn't see death, he was translated. Never saw death. Now Yahweh is talking about sending him back. Now, when Yahshua the Messiah set down and talked to Nicodemus, Nicodemus, said He hadn't seen anything of him up there in the heavens of heavens or the habitation of God. You want to read that do you? No man, that's John the 3rd chapter, 'said no man ascended into heaven save the son of man which came down from heaven, which is in heaven'. Now can you imagine a man settin' right down there talking to another man, Nicodemus to be more exact, and He is in heaven settin' right there talking to him. That's how we get all messed up and that's the reason why somebody said, 'well He didn't go away,' and then somebody say, 'He laid aside His royal robes and left the pearly gates of heaven and He come down here to walk around on the earth plane.' Never left. Not so. Hasn't been no where at all but right in the same place all the time. But we're trying to talk so that you can perceive these great deep esoteric secrets, but, which Christendoom don't know nothing about. That was Nicodemus, maybe you better read that,
Reader: And no man has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is in heaven.
Dr. Kinley: Now, He's in heaven right there sitting there talking with Nicodemus. Now doc here's why I brought that up. You remember you was reading about Elijah, that he would come and we showed you how he was translated without seeing death. Then here comes John the Baptist he was Elijah that was to come. And you remember I told you that Israel saw him in a vision and he threw his mantle back on Elijah. Now here's why, here's why I got into that. John the Baptist was the Elijah that was to come and his head was cut off. Now just a minute, though, but he had to appear here in that cloud. This proves that he was the Elijah that the prophet was talking about coming and he's right back there in that cloud in the heaven the top of that mountain, the mount of transfiguration. Read it there in the 17th chapter of Matthew.
Reader: But I say unto you that Elijah is come already
Dr. Kinley: I say to you Elijah has come already
Reader: and they knew him not
Dr. Kinley: And they didn't know him
Reader: but have done unto him whatsoever they desire
Dr. Kinley: But have done unto him whatsoever there is
Reader: likewise
Dr. Kinley: Likewise
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Reader: shall also the son of man suffer of them
Dr. Kinley: Shall the son of man suffer of them
Reader: then the disciples understood
Dr. Kinley: Then the disciples understood. Are you a disciple?
Reader: that he
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute, now he's talking about Peter, James and John them that followed, talking about they understood, cause they was the ones up there in the mount of transfiguration. Now then, they understood what?
Reader: that He spoke unto them of John the Baptist
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see who Elijah was? Now you cut that junk out. Telling me he come down here in 632 A.D. Now when he comes, what is he supposed to do? Turn the hearts of the fathers to the children. Where does it say that Freddie, where, where is it?
Reader: This is the 6th verse of the 4th chapter of Malachi
Dr. Kinley: That's right
Reader: and he shall turn the hearts of the father to the children, and the hearts of the children to their father. Lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now when he come, here's the father, the hearts of the children to the father. He comes and baptized, he was not baptized anybody and didn't have no gentiles, I want this, not a one. So you gentiles stay out of water. You got no business in it. You were grafted in after the show was over. To be exact, seven years after. That's Cornelius was the first gentile in there, the Jew first, and then the gentile.
Now you see that don't you? For them that held up their hands want to know about the Elijah, hold your hands back up, the ones that held up their hands. Now is it clear to you that, that John the Baptist was Elijah, the prophet was talking about coming? Talk loud enough so we can hear, we want everybody to hear.
Man: I'm beginning I'm understanding it a little bit better but the reason I raised my hand was because I wanted to get some idea why ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. You know I couldn't relate to what it was about. Now I'm getting some understanding, all about it.
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see, do you see to the satisfaction... That's the reason why we're calling these chapters and verses
Man: Yes, that's, you know, that's what I want.
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Dr. Kinley: 17th chapter of Matthew you'll find out that John the Baptist was Elijah, that was Malachi prophesied to come. Now he was translated without seeing death. Now, here comes, here He comes back this time in, now let's get this straight. John the Baptist, if Elijah was translated, Elijah had the Holy Spirit. And it was the Holy Spirit that translated him therefore John the Baptist had to be born with the Holy Spirit
Student Body: That's right, that's all right.
Dr. Kinley: Had to come right back and take that body off and appear up here and he was the last of the prophets. Do you see that? Do you see that now? Well, you have.., I have.., is it soaking? Is it soaking? Well now, you thought maybe I was done with that, I'm just getting started but I thought I should lead you up to all this.
Now we told you this. Now, I want you to follow what I'm telling you. Now we told you to the law and to the testimony, you read that in the book, didn't you? The law was given by Moses, by.., it really it wasn't given, wasn't given by Moses, was really given by Yahweh. Now then, watch, be careful now, be careful, and the prophets, they prophesied, Jeremiah and all the rest of them, prophesied under the law. So you go to the law and to the testimony. Now look folks, this is Yahweh giving the law, this is Yahweh giving the testimony. It is not Moses, it is not Elijah, it is not Isaiah, it is not Jeremiah, it is not Ezekiel. I am not talking about that. So there wouldn't be any way for me to be talking about, Mohammed and John and them. No way for me to be talking about them. Now we don't care anything at all abut the flesh. It's the spirit with us and we recognize that Yahweh is all in all. Now are you all up with me? Is there any questions about anything I've said thus far? Have I said anything you didn't understand?
Now, we said Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible. Moses wrote them. Now, you'll see pretty soon where I'm getting at and since I mentioned about the Talmud, the Mishnah, the Koran and you want to say the, the book of Abraham and you can go down and get the book of Enoch and you can go and get the 6th and 7th book... Every bit of it is a lie, it's not so. Here's the reason why it's not so. Now Abraham, pick this up Doc sometime, try and help me with this explanation. If you got anything to say about it, just tap your foot. I'll shut up. Well I want to, I want to train him. Now, now Abraham is the father of the jewish race and he's also the father of the Arab. Now, do you understand that? Now you got Abraham, Jew and Arabs. Now then you got Isaac and Jacob, Isaac and Jacob. Now, this is what I'm gonna tell you.
I just got through saying that the Mormons are a liar when they said Joseph Smith, an angel led him to the place where tablets was discovered here in the United States, that was written by Abraham. And they have the book of Abraham, I say they are a liar and Abraham never wrote nothing, never wrote a thing. It was Moses that wrote about Abraham. It was Moses that wrote about Enoch. Enoch never wrote nothing. Abraham nev.., Abraham.., Moses was the first man that Yahweh ever did tell in this world, what even His true name was. Now, get this straight. Now if Abraham had wrote anything as the Mormons say that he did,
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then they instead of using the word Yahweh, they would have been writing about El Shaddai, because Abraham did not know that His name was Yahweh. Isaac didn't know that His name was Yahweh. Jacob did not know that His name was Yahweh and I don't mean Allah either. And Moses was the first man that He ever, that He ever told what His name was. And you find that in the 3rd chapter of Exodus where He told, listen, Yahweh said His self now He said just like He calling Yahshua the Messiah a liar when He said he was insta.. fulfilling they say He's instituting. He said His name was Yahweh and they say 'naw it ain't'. You got an adversary in this thing and an enemy. Alright.
He told Moses what His name was. He told Moses that Abraham didn't know His name. Enoch didn't know His name, clear on back... you want to read that? Try reading it.
Reader: 6th chapter of Exodus, third verse
Dr. Kinley: 6th chapter of Exodus. Everybody look at it in your Bible and that'll stop the argument.
Reader: 3rd verse. And I appeared unto Abraham,
Dr. Kinley: And I appeared unto Abraham
Reader: unto Isaac
Dr. Kinley: Unto Isaac
Reader: and unto Jacob
Dr. Kinley: And to Jacob
Reader: as El Shaddai
Dr. Kinley: As El Shaddai
Reader: but by my name Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: But by my name
Reader: Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh
Reader: was I not known to them
Dr. Kinley: Now He said they didn't know Him. Then how then Abraham or any of them write about something or somebody they don't know nothing about? I say therefore Joseph Smith is a liar.
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Now by my name. His name, now we're talking about His name. Now, when He talked to Moses at the burning bush here in the wilderness. Well let's go back further. When He talked to Adam back here, maybe better try reading that. I think it's Genesis 9:5, Doc get you a chair and set down here and rest yourself. It's ____, I'm after names, and I'm after writings, and I told you the other night that this, look up here now.
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Now the Roman Catholics have got this kinda thing. When they christen a child they give him a baptismal name, that's not a parental name. Now the Mohammedans they got a calling Usome, Malcolm X and so forth and so on and they say that you got your name from your slave holder. I wanna know if that's right or not.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And that's not your real name. You have your slave holder's name, and your name is not Roger Jackson, your name is not Robert Harris and so then we'll give you a name. The Roman Catholics and them and George Baker done the same thing. Who, if you know anything about it, that's the Father Divine in New York City. He gave them names, angelic names. And when you go into those movements then you become unidentified with society by the name that your parents named you. That's why you got Malcolm X, Ussah Y, and Riblah Ziblah or something like that, or Mary Dove or Love or something like... They wipe out them names that your people gave them. Now, what I wanna tell you is this. Now since Yahweh has a name. Now He named this first man. He created a name and Miss Eve too, she was right in him. What's it say there.
Reader: This is the book of the generations
Dr. Kinley: Now this is the book of the generations
Reader: of Adam
Dr. Kinley: Of Adam.
Reader: in the day that Elohim created man
Dr. Kinley: in the day that Elohim created man
Reader: in the likeness of Elohim made He him.
Dr. Kinley: That's right, read on.
Reader: male and female
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
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Reader: created He them.
Dr. Kinley: uh-huh
Reader: and blessed them
Dr. Kinley: uh huh.
Reader: and called their name Adam
Dr. Kinley: Now just a, here's what I want you to see as you go along. And He called,
Reader: their name Adam
Dr. Kinley: Their name; in other words, Elohim called their name, what?
Reader: Adam.
Dr. Kinley: Adam. Adam didn't name himself. Elohim named him. Now I'll give you
a little job. You go try, you go trace up Adam in the Hebrew and find out how it is spelled and how it is called in Hebrew. Then you'll learn yourself something and you'll find out it fits right with this. And that woman was right in that man. He called their name, their name, Adam. Now listen, listen closely, follow here, follow here. Now Moses wouldn't know a thing about that if he had not been up in this mountain and he's looking right at Yahweh makes a man. Looking right at Him making the man in a vision. Now he followed Him on down the generations of mankind. And he's hearing their names called: Cain and Abel, Seth and so forth and so on down the generations, on down to himself. Now did you follow me there? Not only that, now get Exodus 32:32. Now, you oughta be, you oughta try to be quick.
Reader: And Moses returned unto Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: And Moses returned unto Yahweh
Reader: and said
Dr. Kinley: And said
Reader: oh this people have
Dr. Kinley: Here's what's happening, here's what he's talking about, now we done told you about it. How he was called up in the mountain, now we just can't read this whole Bible any time we come down here. And Moses called up, and the 24 elders, and they was told to stay on the ledge of the mountain and they did not do it. They went back down out of the mountain and builded the golden calf, which was the, the beast. Now, look up here, get Revelations 13: 18 right now,
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Reader: Here is wisdom
Dr. Kinley: Here is wisdom
Reader: let him that hath understanding
Dr. Kinley: Let him that hath understanding
Reader: count the number of the beast
Dr. Kinley: Count the number of the beast
Reader: for it is the number of a man
Dr. Kinley: For it is the number of A man
Reader: and his number is six hundred....
Dr. Kinley: And his number is six hundred threescore and six. 666, is that right? Now, it's the number of a man. Now listen, this is what we're saying. Here is wisdom, let him that has understanding count the number of the beast. Now, I'm talking about a beast. Can't you see that the children of Israel put that gold in there and it turned out a golden calf, in other words it's a beast!
Now I might take a short cut. The number of a beast and his number is 666, right? Hold that right there, take Genesis 3 and 1,
Reader: Now the serpent was more subtle
Dr. Kinley: Now the serpent was more subtle
Reader: than any beast of the field
Dr. Kinley: Than any beast of the field. Now I want, I'm talking about a beast now. Any beast of the field. A beast, a beast. They took them earrings and put them in and out come a beast and his number is six hundred three score and six. Now look up here at me. Now the High Priest in Israel, I wanna get it where everybody can see as best I can right here. I believe you can see it plainer right here. You see this miter, now you'll find it in the 22nd, 28th chapter of Exodus. A miter. That means, a, a miter means a hood that he wore on his head. Now look now, and it had in it 'Holiness Unto Yahweh'. And it's called a bonnet, and a miter and it's tied with a, with a bow in the back of it. And that High Priest would go in and out that sanctuary every day in the year and on the 10th day of October, which is the day of Atonement, he went into the Most Holy Place. Now look folks, he had on the Urim and Thummin. You know what that is? That's the beast (breast?) plate of judgement. And you know what the ephod is? That that come right over that breast plate, and it had 12 precious stones in it including diamonds, and beryl and what not, representing them 12 tribes of Israel. And them stones come down and buckled around in here with that bonnet on. Now the papacy is trying their best
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to copy. Now we're showing you how this beast come out, we're showing you that the beast of the field and Yahweh created 'em. The serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field. We're showing you a beast. 1st chapter of Roman says they worshipped beast, men and graven images. And when He spoke from the Mount, said thou shall not make unto me. Get that now?
Now when they place the crown on the head of the Pope, just like this priest, as this 'Holiness Unto Yahweh' on this miter. That's what's in there, 'Holiness Unto Yahweh'. Now this is what's in his. In the first ring it's got 'Vicar', in the second ring it's got 'Filii', and in the third ring it's got 'Dei'. Translated and turning up in roman numbers it's six hundred and sixty-six. That's what is in that crown. That's the number of the beast. And the Roman Catholics and Protestants too make up that beast man, and everything else on the earth plane, they make up that beast man.
Now listen, listen at this, oh me. John said in the first epistle of John, said 'beloved,' listen at me now, listen at the quotation, 'beloved, what manner of love is this that the Father, Yahweh, has bestowed upon us, that we should be called the' vicar.
Student Body: No
Dr. Kinley: of God. We're not Vicars, but the Pope says he's the Vicar of Christ. In other word, we're not called Vicars of Christ. That translated, what does that mean Doc?
Dr. Harris: Representative
Dr. Kinley: Representative. We're representatives, that's what they are. Translated 'Vicar Filii Dei', now listen at what I am saying. Vicar of the Son of God. Vicar of the Son of God. What manner of live it this that the Father has bestowed upon us that we might become the Vicar of the
Reader: No, no
Dr. Kinley: We are the son of God, not Vicar of it, but we are His Son. Revelations 14: 1,2...
Reader: and I looked...
Dr. Kinley: Revelations 22:2. Want to find out how that works on this, on this crown up here. Read,
Reader: And I looked...
Dr. Kinley: And I looked
Reader: and lo a lamb stood on the Mount Zion
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Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand
Dr. Kinley: um hum.
Reader: having His name and His Father's name
Dr. Kinley: Having His name, Yahshua the Messiah, and His, His Father's name, Yahweh. What?
Reader: written in their foreheads
Dr. Kinley: Written in their foreheads. Do you see what I'm talking, do you see what I'm telling you? That's, that's the name. Ephesians 3 and 2. Stick it out with me for a few minutes if you can folks. This will help you from now on around the corner and it'll get you off of skid row too. The devil done put the skids on you, it'll sweep you up, right back home where you belong. Read,
Reader: If ye have heard of the ministry
Dr. Kinley: If you have heard of the ministry
Reader: of the grace of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Of the grace of Yahweh
Reader: which is given me to you
Dr. Kinley: Now try to read on fast cause time is short and I've got to get to a point down there.
Reader: how that
Dr. Kinley:. And the point I want to get to down there is, I'll tell you before you get to it: that the whole family in heaven and in earth is called by the same name not Adam, not Moses, not Isaiah, not Usuf, not Minnie Love or Mary Love none of that junk, not Roger Jackson, not Bob Harris, but Yahweh knows you by that name, cause he called Moses by his name, called Paul by his name, called Abraham by his name. If he hadn't called him by his name that the parents give him, Abraham wouldn't, wouldn't know that He knew who He was. And to make sure that he hears, didn't misunderstand Him, He said, MOSES. And to make sure he didn't misunderstand, said, MOSES again.
That wasn't no baptismal name, still ____ but I want you to know that Michael and Gabriel and Aziel and Raphel and all of the heavenly host and all of them in earth is called by the same name. That's the reason why I said Roger Jackson is not your name. Bob Harris, that ain't it. In Revelations, there it said, said He give Him a new name. Just isn't anybody, but Him, ____ ____. Now, that white stone with
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that name in it remember I told you stones was set in there, with a name, what name, the name of Yahweh and of His son, and the whole family of the innumerable company of angels and all of us in the earth plane is known by that name.
Now one more thing before I got ____ ____. I told you a lot about it. Did you read it out of there?
Reader: of the whole family in heaven and earth is named
Dr. Kinley: The whole family in heaven and earth is named. Now I want you to know. Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Yes
Dr. Kinley: That's not the Baptists, that's not Roman Catholic, that's not Presbyterian but all this junk has got to be. Everything, it's just got to be. Now you go on back, there in you read, all you putting down these verse and chapters, have you got 'em? That the whole family in heaven and in earth is called by the name of... And they got it written in their forehead and in their hand, I mean, in the... is that right? Now listen, and the other boy he's got his mark in the forehead, he described it, it is the beast. A man without the Holy Spirit is nothing more than a beast. That's what the book says. And listen, and all the world, that's Revelations 20 and about 6, I believe it is, said all the world wondered after the beast. Oh boy.
You, you, now look, now be quick, get Exodus 32:32, I told you about that a while ago but you didn't read it. And then I want you to get Revelations 20:12 right here. All right, read,
Reader: and Moses returned unto Yahweh and
(DR. KINLEY STARTS TO PREACH HARD AT THIS POINT)
Dr. Kinley: now Moses returned unto Yahweh after the, these didn't stay up here, look up here now. These didn't stay up here where Moses told them. They went down and builded this golden calf. Now Yahweh, when He spoke through the Mount told them not to do that. Thou shall not make unto me any graven images in the likeness of anything that is in the heavens above or in the earth beneath, and they did that. Now the Roman Catholics got the statue of Mary and them sitting all around, all around. Say, 'What you doing that for?' Unifying our church ____. Man is made in the likeness and image of Yahweh. And since he's made in the likeness and image, catch this one, point it out on the chart, Yahweh breathed in his nostrils the breath of life and he became a living soul. Now folks don't make no mistakes now since He's fulfilling as we told you. When He come out of the grave and to prove that He fulfilled, He breathed. Now we do that in order to fulfil that back there and then we became a live ____ ____ instead of ____ receive ye the Holy Spirit. Ezekiel prophesying to the four winds, when He said, Oh son of man can these bones live. Ezekiel saith, Yahweh thou knowest. Said son of man
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prophesy unto these bones and say to the winds, the four winds, blow upon these bones, and Ezekiel prophesying and the winds blowed upon. And he states, laid sinews upon them and they stood upon their feet. Now, here we go with that on the day of Pentecost that sound of that mighty rushing wind and they stood upon their feet and they began to preach, and the question was ____ ____ ____ together said these men are drunken with new wine. Pete stood up there and said, naw, you got that all wrong. Said these are not drunken as you suppose seeing it's but the third hour of the day the saloons ain't open yet. ____ spoken by the prophet Joel said, 'In the last days saith Yahweh I'll pour out my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and your daughters, don't leave them out, they shall prophecy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men see visions. I tell you it's certainly wonderful to understand.
Now here comes ____ showing the fulfillment when Pilate had.., the Messiah was out there before Pilate. Pilate's wife said she suffered many things and don't have nothing to do with that innocent man. Said she suffered many things in the dream at night. She's ____ ____.
She said look here, I just don't have nothing to do with that man. And Pilate said I don't find no fault in Him. Jews said away with Him and crucify Him, crucify Him and then Pilate said, 'look I'm gonna wash may hands of Him, the whole thing,'
I tell you it's wonderful. But Mrs. Pilate she was just a fool coming at Him, she had that dream, she went out there and looked out there and told her husband, don't have nothing to do with that man. Pilate said, 'I can't find no fault in Him'. I'm telling you, but He said now listen here, why don't you take up for yourself. Don't you hear everybody making these accusations against you? Why don't you speak up and try to defend yourself? The prophets had said, 'He was led as a lamb to the slaughter' and the sheep would come before his shearers, no, no and He's fulfilling, and He can't say nothing. I tell, I, I tell you, I mean it don't even miss. What is He doing? Fulfilling not instituting, every jot and every tittle of the prophecy has to be fulfilled.
Now what we gonna show you now is Yahweh knows you individually and personally. This is the idea that some people have got, says, 'Yahweh ain't paying me no attention or God ain't paying me no attention, He don't even know that I'm around.' I just want to let you know, this is your master. Never has been up and never will be and everybody has a role to play. Yahweh from that spermozoa (spermatozoa?) that was injected into the womb and taken on shape and form and pressed the loins of the women and it's reached maturity, walked around... Yahweh got your name up there in that book that He's written, not, not talking about the book of the law and I'm not talking about the book of the prophets and I'm talking about the book that Yahweh's written. I'm not talking about the book that Pope ____ himself set to write and the Vatican was not right. I'm not talking about their matriculations and enrollments in the Methodist, the Baptist and the Roman Catholics, the Presbyt..., I'm not talking about that but I'm talking about how Yahweh has their names, get this one straight now, and He wrote that down before anybody was born. Every boy that come forth He's done put everybody's name down that's ever gonna be on the scene and walk on down, on down here. Everybody has a role to play and when you come and play your little part you go on off of the
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scene. When he comes on and he plays his little part Yahweh got you known all the way through. In fact even before He's created heaven and earth, had it long before He created angels. And I wanna let you know that He knows the angels, knows them by their name just like He knows you by your name. You may think I'm a just nothing, Yahweh or God ain't paying me no attention. I'm too lowly, I haven't got nothing. None of my progenitors and ancestors said they don't amount to anything, just a nothing in the world and I'm gonna make something out of myself and you think Yahweh or God has forgotten you. NO NO, He done had you in the book long before any man, before Adam and Eve was placed on that.., before any angel left, which left to go on out of that substance in that divine spermozoa (spermatozoa?) or spirit. Everything was back there and your name that your mother and father would name you, and the name Yahweh that would name you is right there, present with Him and all He's doing is just waiting for everybody to get on the scene, til we get on back. And with Apostle said that we are builded upon a foundation of the apostles and the prophets and Yahshua Himself being the chief cornerstone into whom all the buildings fitly framed together. Grow up into a holy tabernacle in Yahweh for habitation of Yahweh through the Spirit.
Noah, build an ark and when he finished up building, last nail was driven in it and everything and Yahweh told him to go on in, and set down there and wait seven days. Done finished, it's all done. It's ready now. Somebody said, I told you that old fool. There wasn't no need of him, standing out there talking about the sky leaking rain. Said, 'there ain't nothing's gonna happen, they've been setting out there seven days.' All of a sudden that sky break loose and the fountains of the deep broke up. Everybody was in the ark and every nail that was supposed to be nailed, it's finished up. And when all of us that come on the scene, and when we get finished up and fit together in that Tabernacle and that habitation of Him through the scriptures. Then Yahweh will through Yahshua will be revealed from heaven. And He ain't gonna miss nobody, ain't gonna miss nobody at all, and everybody that come in that building, just like everything that's come in that ark was in there. And everything that comes in Yahshua the Messiah it shall be there.
And then I want you to know that Apostle Paul, looking back there and this is what he said in 1st Corinthians 15:28, said Yahshua was subject unto the Father, cause when He's revealed from heaven. Now, His job, since He made everything, now and man come on out and seen Him now and co ne out by Him. Now he's got to go right back by Adam. And so the whole thing is all finished up. And the last one is called into that, then Yahshua the Messiah, then and He come to the Father Himself, you lay down all rule, all authority, and all Power, and all... What's that for? That Yahweh might be all in all as He was before. Everything has got it's Place and everybody has got to play their little role in this thing. Yahweh got a full account of the whole thing. But you with your little carnal mind and your little limited mind let these hypocrite preachers and all, go along and trying to tell you Yahweh don't know that this is gonna happen and then something happens He's got to rush around and make some provisions for it. Everything is foreordained and predestinated. Everything is going according to the purpose and the purpose is being set before the foundations of the world.
Yahshua the Messiah set out there and He told you that nations should rise
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against nations and kingdom against kingdom, father against son, daughter against mother. Here you come playing a role when you ain't got sense enough yet ____ look at it. I'm a Jew and you're persecuting the gentile, gentile, gentile persecution. ____ you ____ ____ ____ ____ I'm black power, and then they come along over here, says, 'well, I'm white supremacist.' Done told the story before it happen and you setting up here looking at it ____. You haven't got sense enough to ____ ____ ____ ____ read.
Reader: Oh this people have sinned a great sin
Dr. Kinley: That's right
Reader: and have made them idols of gold, yet now if thou wilt forgive their sin and if not blot me, l pray thee out of thy book which thou has written.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now wait just a minute, now Moses saw his name in the book. Now get this straight. Not the book Moses wrote, not the book Josh, Isaiah wrote, not the book the Talmud that the Jews wrote, not the Koran, but Yahweh wrote. And Moses said he saw his name in there, Moses, and he said if you won't forgive his people that have sinned a great sin then blot me out. He saw his name, he saw the names of all the generations on down in that book which Yahweh had written. And your name was right in it. Now maybe you don't wanna believe that. Now he said blot me out of the book which you have written. Here the Pope sets over there excommunicating. Now Moses came, now you blot me and what did he tell Moses?
Reader: and Yahweh said unto Moses
Dr. Kinley: And Yahweh said unto Moses
Reader: Whom so ever has sinned against me
Dr. Kinley: Whom so ever has sinned against me
Reader: him will I ..
Dr. Kinley: Him will I excommunicate or blot out of my book. I'm gonna blot him out. The Pope ain't gonna do nothing. Reverend so and so ain't gonna do nothing. A Peter ain't gonna do nothing, and Paul ain't gonna do nothing. Michael and Gabriel ain't a gonna do nothing. I'm going to blot him out Myself. How about that? Now Revelations the 22
Reader: and whosoever was not found written in the book of life....
Dr. Kinley: Right, now here, here we are, we're up to the judgement now. And I saw the dead, is that what you got there. Small and great stand before Yahweh and the books was opened, read that,
Reader: and the books were open and another book was open
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Dr. Kinley: And another book was open
Reader: which is the book of life
Dr. Kinley: Yeah, now here you got the book of the prophets and then you got the book that He wrote. There's another book open and a book of life. All right, read.
Reader: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the book,
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: according to their works
Dr. Kinley: According to their works. Read on I'm in a hurry.
Reader: and the sea gave up the dead..
Dr. Kinley: And the sea gave up the dead...
Reader: and death and sheol delivered up the dead
Dr. Kinley: And death and hell delivered up the dead
Reader: which was in them. And they were judged every man according to their works
Dr. Kinley: Every man according to his works
Reader: and death and sheol were cast into the lake of fire
Dr. Kinley: Death and sheol were cast into the lake of fire
Reader: this is the second death
Dr. Kinley: That's the second death
Reader: and whosoever was not found
Dr. Kinley: Now see? You don't have to worry about the Pope excommunicating you. You don't have to worry about these hypocrite clergy out there. You don't have to worry about that, just forget that. They oughta put you out. It would be a blessing if they did, we're blessed. That's the reason why the angel flew through the midst of heaven saying Babylon is fallen, saying come out of her my people and be not a partaker of her sins and receive of her plagues. Whosoever was not found....
Reader: and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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Dr. Kinley: Now Yahweh blotted them out that's why they wasn't found in there. Whosoever He says He blotted them out and they wasn't found in there, written in that book. You'll find him over there in the lake. Philippians 4:3.
Reader: and I entreat thee also
Dr. Kinley: And I entreat thee also
Reader: true yokefellow
Dr. Kinley: True yokefellow
Reader: help those women....
Dr. Kinley: That's the reason why Messiah said take my yoke upon you. We are prisoners and slaves of Yahweh. We're not unequally yoked together with unbelievers but we're yoked together with him that do believe. And Paul being a prisoner he was yoked together with his fellow laborers in the gospel and he's talking to them now, read.
Reader: help those women which labored with me in the glad tidings..
Dr. Kinley: Which labored. Help those women, that's the reason why I'm so particular about you gals. Help those women that labored with him in Yahshua. He's admonished those that are ____ he called woman, help those women that labor in the gospel, read on.
Dr. Kinley: And with Clement. Now see what you got in the Roman Catholic Church, I think I should say this. You got Peter the first Pope, Linus the second, and then you got Clement. Now you see where they got it at. They ain't doing a thing but going back and copying these names. Linus is in there too, Linus. They go back there and say Clement. Clement don't even know anything about it and Anacletus was one of these, all right, read,
Reader: and with other my fellow laborers
Dr. Kinley: And other my fellow workers
Reader: whose names are in the book of life
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? Don't worry about it folks. Yahweh does put your name down in the book of life. He had it in there right from the start, and He ain't gonna.., whoever sinned against me, He gonna blot him out. You don't have to worry about it being on the Roman Catholic register, or the Presbyterian register. Don't have to worry about excommunication or put out of church. Don't have to worry about that. You want your name in the book of the Lamb's book of life written from the foundations of the earth.
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Now just like this cloud here was without any particular descriptive shape or form so also is the spermozoa (spermatozoa?) that's injected in the womb taking form and all is born of Him. And Yahweh's got everybody numbered.
Now listen, Yahweh's created the earth to be inhabited. Listen, and He told Abraham that He would multiply his seed. He didn't say if something don't happen, as the sands of the sea. Didn't say Pharaoh didn't, kill up all the male children. He went on and He multiplied and he multiplied, he multiplied, now what I want to say to you, now we're talking about a population explosion.
Now here's something else we got, now listen closely to these things, they will help you. Now Yahweh breathed in his nostrils the breath of life and he became a living soul ____. Now you got air pollution. Air pollution ever which a way. Smog, you can't even ____ breath. The waters just contaminated, taste of the water. Now Satan is the Prince of the air. The air is polluted, the water is contaminated. Murder rampage, violence, national confusion all over the world. Now listen folks, that by itself should tell you something that there has got to be a change on this earth plane some how or another.
And now Armstrong in Pasadena said this, said, and they're looking for it like this. That them bodies that they lay out there in the cemeteries, when the population of the earth, approximate population of the earth at this time is 3 billion, five hundred and fifty one million, now that's in round figures. And the, the population increase per week is one million per week. That's the average population increase. I'm not talking about them, talking about the increase over and above the death, increase I mean.
Now look if Yahweh would go all the way back and resurrect all of those people that has come all the way down which was number as the sands of the sea and as the stars of the heaven and raise them up as a physical body. There's something wrong there. When you talking about a population explosion, you see that there's something wrong there.
So now it's really us resurrected in the spirit and the resurrection is going on now. And I hope somebody has gotten something out of what I have said. Now I tried to crisscross it, in every kind of way that I can. I tried to make you know that it don't make no difference how ____ you are, you're important to Yahweh. You have a role and a part to play and you are matriculated or enrolled in the book of life. There's no way to get you out of that unless He himself blot you out. The only reason He'll blot you out of there is because you say you sinned against Him.
And all of these erroneous doctrines, now look. Yahweh has promised to reveal. That's a promise, it's a pending promise. He said our vile bodies will be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye. Everybody won't be dead and gone in the cemetery when He's revealed from heaven, but in moment... Paul says behold I show you a mystery. We shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed. Listen folks, it don't make no difference, get this straight. It's up, somebody would say, I think I have ____. Doctor told me I had this or doctor told me I had that and I'm so and so and so and you all shook up, Somebody said, 'well I'm overweight,'
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and them people over yonder they're dying from malnutrition and starvation. And so's to speak we got a loaf of bread under our arm and we're still crying ____. We want something to reduce us and they want something to eat, and all kinds of diseases and epidemics are going on all over the world.
Well here's what I want to tell you. It don't make no difference whether you got cancer, tuberculosis, heart trouble, just forget about it. Yahweh's gonna change the whole business. You'll have a, gonna have a brand new body, eternal life, and a new body. There is a mortal body and there is a spiritual body, just as sure, if you do His will you will have that body ____.
(STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS)
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Beverly Hills Hilton
Beverly Hills, California
received from Kenneth Haverly and Baverly Allen
1 90 minute audio cassette tape
CATALOG #: 71.0724
transcribed by Shannon Brewster
proofread by Geraldine Rothstein, Susan Ameigh, and Michael Rothstein
proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
Dr. Kinley spoke twice during the 1971 International Convention. His first lecture of this convention is dated July 23, 1971 and titled "Here I am," and is contained in the previous transcript book, 27 Dr. Kinley Transcripts. In it he states, "... And lo I am with you alway even unto the end of the age. Now what I want to say is: here I am. Believe it or not I'm here. And I want to let you know that I know what my purpose is. That's right I knew it back in the realm of eternity and declared the end from the beginning and I've been right along all the time. .... Now we're gonna get into some of these things tomorrow and we'll talk with you about it, and so that you can see for yourself whether it is true that I did receive a vision, tell you the truth about that thing. I just may decide to tell you the truth about that tomorrow. Been away and ____ ____ so you can understand. Now the real facts in the cases are these: I received Yahshua the Messiah who is in the Father. Now that's what I, now that's what I really received. And it was Him in me that's revealing that to you. .... But I wanna let you know, I died once, hanging out there on the cross. Now it's my turn. .... We'll talk to you more about this thing tomorrow."
This transcript is of the next day's class, July 24, 1971.
Scripture reading: 1 John 4
Moderator: Those of you who are what might be called regular members of the school can well appreciate that when I say it gives me pleasure to introduce the founder of our school, you know whereof I speak. There are a number of us who are conscious that within that physical body is the spirit that Yahweh has sent into this world, in this age, to edify those of his choice. And it does indeed, give me great pleasure to introduce the founder of our school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Student Body: APPLAUDS
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Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I'm always happy and glad to testify in the behalf of our brethren and Savior, Yahshua the Messiah. Now I don't mean to stand up here and say that because that Yahweh is in me, that He's not in you, I don't mean to say that, because Yahweh is made manifest in all of us. Now there's some things that I wanna call your attention to in particular. And we have kinda routined down specifically for this special meeting. Now we're gonna call it special, and we're going to ask for, as has already been stated, your undivided attention, and you try to pay attention. Now, one of the reasons why that we have been so specific in making those statements is because there are so many erroneous doctrines out in the world, until the people actually, really do not know which way to go or what to do, and who's right and who's wrong. And you must always remember that you have an adversary: the devil, and he's trying to play every note or every tune that he can to lure you in to some of his, his church. Now, it seems to be a pretty tough thing to stand up here and say that all the churches is wrong, and I don't think anybody oughta do that, unless they have or possess the ability to prove it.
Now, first of all, what is the church? Now, here in Colossians, I'm not gonna ask you to read all of these scriptures, I'll tell you which ones to read. They say that the church or the congregation or assembly is the body of Yahshua the Messiah. Now, do you understand that? Well now, somebody might get up and read that out of the Bible and still miss the boat. Now you, all of you that have the spirit in you, you are the body of the Messiah. Now we're gonna go right back and have repeated what we just had Dr. Traynham to read as a scripture lesson. I do want you to get some identification out of this, so that you will understand, better understand, then I will comment on it. Would you mind please, the microphone and read the first few verses of the fourth epistle of John. And you pay strict attention to what is said here.
Reader: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of Yahweh:
Dr. Kinley: Now just a minute. It says beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirit whether they are of Yahweh. Now, bear this in mind: John is writing to those that possess the spirit. Now if you don't possess it, you don't have nothing to try it with. I'm trying to make this thing clear to you as possible, because a lot of 'em will sit back and read that and say that we, that we are the church or we are the body of, of, of Christ and, and all so, and make statements like that and deceive and fool the people. But if you don't have the Holy Spirit, you're incapable of judgement because you must have the judge in you in order to be the judge. Now does that make it clear? Alright now. It said don't believe every spirit, but try the spirit. Now if you're gonna try it, you must have it. Now, if you have it, then you're capable of discerning which spirit it is speaking, and then in that way you won't be led astray. Now, if you pay strict attention, you'll find some conviction down here. Alright, read.
Reader: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of Yahweh:
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Dr. Kinley: Now, try 'em, whether they are of Yahweh. Now, you have in your King James Version of the Bible, 'whether they are of God.' Now God is a title. And God being a title and not a name. And I'll also, also mention here that Lord is a title also, and that is not a name. Alright. Read on.
Reader: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen here. Now, a lot of people wanna go back and say that he's talking about when Yahshua the Messiah come in the world. Now that's not what John is talking about. He's talking about the thing as it is since the day of Pentecost, not before, when He was walking around here on the face of the earth in a physical body. Alright, read.
Reader: Hereby know ye the spirit of Yahweh:
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute. Now this is what they go by. And hereby know ye the spirit, now right by this. Repeat.
Reader: Hereby know ye the spirit of Yahweh:
Dr. Kinley: Now hereby know ye the spirit of Yahweh. Now right by this. Alright, read.
Reader: Every spirit that confesseth that Yahshua the Messiah is come
Dr. Kinley: Now every spirit that testifies that Yahshua will soon be home.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see the difference?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now everybody is looking for Jesus or looking for Yahshua the Messiah. Now every spirit that testifies that it is come, which is present tense, is of Yahweh. Now is that clear? Everywhere you go the people are looking for Him to come, not recognizing the fact that He has come, come already. And everyone of them that's saying that He is coming, that's satanic. You get that? Now I didn't say that, the apostle John said it. Alright, read on.
Reader: And every spirit that confesseth, confesseth not that Yahshua the Messiah is come in the flesh is not of Yahweh:
Dr. Kinley: Every spirit that testifies not that Yahshua is come in the flesh, it is not of Yahweh. Now is that clear to you? Now you do some thinking about that. Alright, read on.
Reader: and this is that spirit of anti-messiah,
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Dr. Kinley: Now this is that spirit of anti-messiah. Now that's the spirit of your adversary, and it is not of Yahweh. Read a little further.
Reader: whereof ye have heard that it should come;
Dr. Kinley: Now John is saying, 'whereof you have heard that it should come.' Read.
Reader: and even now already
Dr. Kinley: And even now, at that time back there, and if you look at the chronology at the top of the page, you will find when he wrote the epistle, and it was already in the world at that time. You see that now? Alright.
Reader: and even now already is it in the world.
Dr. Kinley: And even now is it already in the world. Read on.
Reader: Ye are of Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: Ye are of Yahweh,
Reader: little children,
Dr. Kinley: little children.
Reader: and have overcome it:
Dr. Kinley: And have overcome it.
Reader: because greater is he that is in you,
Dr. Kinley: That, for greater is He that is in you.
Reader: than that which is in the world
Dr. Kinley: Than that which is in the world. That will do with that. Now I want read, over there in John, I gave you the verse in the same epistle.
Reader: 1 John the third chapter, first and second verses.
Dr. Kinley: Now you listen close at this. Read
Reader: Behold, what manner of love
Dr. Kinley: Behold, what manner of love
Reader: the Father hath bestowed upon us,
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Dr. Kinley: the Father hath bestowed upon us,
Reader: that we should be called the sons of Yahweh:
Dr. Kinley: That we should called... Now I want you to let this soak in, because it will help you. That we should be called saints.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: That we should be called Christians.
Student Body: No sir.
Dr. Kinley: That we should be called Roman Catholics.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: That we should be called Protestants.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Maybe you didn't read it right Doc, try it again.
Reader: Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us,
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: that we should be called the sons of Yahweh:
Dr. Kinley: That we should be called the sons of Yahweh. Now I wanna tell you why I had that read that way. It's because... Now when Yahshua the Messiah, who Yahweh acknowledged to be His Son, now you are a son of Yahweh just now as He was then. Now if you let that soak, it'll help you. Then, if you be a son of Yahweh, then Yahweh is in you, and you in Him, and Yahshua the Messiah in you. Now do you follow what I'm talking about? Now you just simply have not been taught that out there in the world. You have been taught that Jesus is coming. Is, is that right? Now, since we've got the true names now, somebody will be saying Yahshua is coming. But now, I wanna make this real good and clear to you, so you don't make a mistake. Now that makes me have to go to the 14th chapter of Saint John, which is the same man writing, and the 26th verse. I think about the 26th verse. And I want you to pay attention to every, everything I call attention to, and then, that, and that only is the only way that you can be helped. Alright, read.
Reader: But the comforter,
Dr. Kinley: But the comforter.
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Reader: which is the Holy Spirit,
Dr. Kinley: Which is the Holy Spirit.
Reader: who the Father will send in my name,
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. Whom the father will send in my name. Did you get that? So now that's why we say it's Yahshua in you, because you have received the Holy Spirit, whom Yahweh has sent in the name of Yahshua. I don't mean gonna send, I mean already sent. Read on.
Reader: shall teach you all things,
Dr. Kinley: Shall teach you some things.
Student Body: No. All.
Dr. Kinley: A few things.
Student Body: No, sir.
Dr. Kinley: Shall teach you all things. Read.
Reader: and bring all things to your remembrance,
Dr. Kinley: and bring all things, not just some things. From the time that He chose his disciples, and for three and half years as He taught, He knew that they were not gonna remember everything. He knew that. So therefore He said when the comforter is come. First above there He said, 'I will not leave you comfortless.' And now He's telling the comforter will come, whom the Father will send in My name. And when He is come, then what?
Reader: he shall teach you all things.
Dr. Kinley: Now we're telling you this: my earthly name is Henry Clifford Kinley. Is that clear to you? Just like Moses' name, given to him and any of the rest of 'em, John and everybody else: those are earthly names. Now it doesn't say anything at all about Moses teaching anybody. It doesn't say anything about the apostles teaching anybody. But now the comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, He will teach you all things, not some. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that plain to you? Now it behooves you then, whoever is in the book, for you to pay strict attention and recognize the fact that no man has the ability to teach you the purpose of Yahweh, he just don't have it. His mental faculties and his make up is inadequate without the Holy Spirit. And I said that to let you know that Yahshua the Messiah, whom the, Yahweh has sent in His name,
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or the comforter. Now that's who the teacher is around here; it is not Henry Clifford Kinley, cause I don't know nothing to teach you and neither does anybody else. Now that necessitates me to have the comforter, and then for me to keep my big mouth shut and for you to keep your big mouth shut and let the comforter to do the teaching. Now is it clear? Now that will save a whole lot of our self exaltation. You see through what I'm talking about? Alright. Read.
Reader: and bring all things to your remembrance
Dr. Kinley: And said He would bring all things to your remembrance. Is that right?
Reader: whatsoever I have said unto you.
Dr. Kinley: Whatsoever I have said unto you. Now let me ask you a question. Do you know the reason why He said that? That's something to think about. Now why did He say that? Well, I'm gonna tell you why He said it. Do you remember that when He come to His disciples, He told them that, John and the rest of 'em, that He had come to fulfil. Now since He come to fulfill, going through three and a half years that He was along with 'em, with them fulfilling what was written in the Law and in the Prophets. He knew that they were incapable of retaining in them what was written in the Law and in the Prophecy. Now follow what I mean. Now when He was along with Moses, everything He said to Moses, Moses didn't remember. And those teachers that were along with those tribes, they didn't remember everything. I'll give you an instance. They said to him, said to Moses, said, 'now if in the event that we have touched a dead man during the time of the passover, 'said, 'now, can we eat the passover?' You know what Moses said? Said, 'I don't know, I'll have to ask Him.' So he went to Joshua, in your book, and asked Him. And He told him, 'no, you don't eat the passover until 30 days hence.' You see what I mean? And other things that Moses missed, but he had Him right along with him. I'll give you another instance so that you can see that. If you look down through the 1st chapter of Genesis about the creation of heaven and earth. Moses saw that the second time that he was in the mountain. Now the first time, I should tell you this way: now the first time he was in the mountain, Yahshua told him to tell the children of Israel to clean up themselves and gather up around the mountain; and not a beast nor a man or nothing was to touch that mountain, Mount Sinai, and that He would speak to them from the mountain. Well, Moses, he did that. And then He told Moses to come up in the mountain and He would give him tables of stone. Now I don't have time to go through everything, but I'm trying to show you now why Yahshua the Messiah said what he just, what he just read, to his disciples. Alright now, while Moses was up in the mountain, in the first chapter of Genesis, in verse 27, Moses said that, think you better read.
Reader: So Elohim created man in his image,
Dr. Kinley: So Elohim created man. Now up above that it says that, let us make man in our own likeness and in our image. Right? And so now he's saying, so what?
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Reader: So Elohim created man in his image,
Dr. Kinley: And Elohim created man in His image.
Reader: in the image of Elohim created he him;
Dr. Kinley: in the image of Elohim created he him;
Reader: male and female created
Dr. Kinley: male and female
Reader: created he him
Dr. Kinley: Created He him. Now look, it didn't say a thing about what He created him out of. You see that? Not a thing. Nothing. So now the third time when he went up in the mountain to take up where he left off at. What'd He say then doc? He's bringing it back to his remembrance now.
Reader: Genesis 2nd chapter, 4th verse, Holy Name Version. And Yahweh Elohim formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: and man became a living soul.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? Now Moses, he didn't put that down in the 6 days right there. The second time that he went in the mountain, he didn't say it. But He's calling it to his remembrance now, that He did create him from the dust of the earth. Now Moses put that in there, calling it back to his remembrance what he saw in the vision. So that is why, so that is why that Yahshua the Messiah, after they had followed him through seeing Him fulfill what was in the Law and what was in the prophecy. He knew that they wasn't gonna remember all of it. So He telling 'em now that all things when the comforter is come, which is me, and I'll be right with you and I'll call your attention to these things and I'll do the preaching through you. Now is that clear? That had to be fulfilled too. A lot of things that they didn't understand, they actually they didn't get the understanding of it until after He come in the Holy Spirit. They didn't understand a lot of things that He was doing, and asked Him about it. You follow me now? Now that's why it's so necessary for you to have the Holy Spirit. Do you see what I mean? Do you understand? Now I'm trying my best to make things clear to you what's going on in this school. Now that's the best I can do is to clarify everything. That's our goal, so that you will not make so many blunders and errors, and so you will be able to identify the antimessiah and the false prophets and the false teachers. No flesh has any right to boast in His sight. Nobody. Thank you Dr. Harris for that at the present time.
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Now we want to call attention to other things that we have put down here. Now one, some of 'em we didn't put 'em down on this paper. So I'm gonna call attention to it and tell you what was said, and if you don't think it was said, then I'm gonna read that to you of their, their books. Now my job is showing up the devil. Now that's what my job is, and I told you that that was what I was sent in the world for. So I'm gonna make that clear to you.
Now Jehovah's Witnesses is wrong. And even if they had said they was Yahweh's Witnesses, they're still wrong. That's right. Doesn't make any difference whether they said they was Yahweh's Witnesses or Jehovah's Witnesses, they're still wrong. Now here's why, here's how they're wrong: first, they don't believe in a vision. And everybody that was a witness, they had to see Yahweh Elohim in a vision, just like Moses looked right at Yahweh Elohim create Adam in a vision. All of the prophets, they saw a vision, every last one of 'em, and if they had not seen one, they could not say that they were His witnesses. Now Isaiah 43:12, in your book, Yahweh said, you better read it.
Reader: Isaiah 43:12. I have declared, and have saved, and I have showed, when there was no strange El among you: therefore ye are my witnesses,
Dr. Kinley: Um hum
Reader: saith Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: that I am El.
Dr. Kinley: Um hum. Now this is Isaiah, in the book of Isaiah, but this is not Isaiah talking, it is Elohim through Isaiah, Yahweh Elohim through Isaiah. Now nobody that had ever, that hadn't seen no vision or nothing had been revealed to 'em through a vision, he could not be Yahweh's witness. That's a matter of impossibility. Even if you went to court, if you got up there and they asked you to get up on the witness stand, one of the first things they're gonna ask you what your name is and did you see whatever it was that you're in court for. And if you say, 'no I didn't see anything,' you're, you're, you're not a credited witness. They'd chase you from the court. Now if man has got that much sense, we oughta have better sense than to think that these people going around calling theirselves Jehovah's Witnesses or Yahweh's Witnesses... It had to be revealed back there in the Law and in the Prophecy. Now I did not say over in what you call the New Testament. Now He has two witnesses. Now read that Dr. Harris.
Reader: Revelations 11th chapter and the 3rd verse. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophecy a thousand two hundred and three score days (1260), clothed in sackcloth.
Dr. Kinley: My two witnesses. You follow? Well now, what are His two witnesses? Read.
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Reader: These are the two olive leaves, trees,
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: and the two candlesticks standing before the Elohim of the earth.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see what it is? Now that's why we tell you to go to the law and go to the testimony because everything that Moses said in the law had to be confirmed by the prophets. Clear? To both the law and the prophets, there's just two witnesses, and that was expounded what was revealed to him, to them by the Holy Spirit, to the prophets what Yahweh revealed to them. Now if they don't believe in a vision, and they don't think anybody had one, more particular in these last days, there's no possibility of them being any kinda of a witnesses for that matter, do you follow? Now on top of all that, they say that the spirit is not any, in any man. I don't know whether you know that or not. You're out of that Dr. Dennis, do they say that?
Dennis Droulard: Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: But they say it's a vital force upon him, that the Holy Spirit is not in any man, but it is a vital force upon him. Now what it's just done was called Yahweh a liar. Now you can't be a witness and a liar all at the same time. Now I'm gonna prove to you that Yahweh did say that He was going to put His spirit within the man. Ezekiel 36 and 25.
Reader: Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you
Dr. Kinley: Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you. Now hold it right there while you got that. And just to show you how the devil sneaks around and fools folks. Now the Methodists, they use this as a mode of baptism and they put a collar around your neck, and a little sprinkling of water and so also don't the Roman Catholics. They do. But now you try reading that again.
Reader: Then will I sprinkle
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Who said that?
Reader: Then will I
Dr. Kinley: Now Yahweh's gonna do this. Now then, here they are doing what Yahweh said He was gonna do. Are you following? Alright.
Reader: Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean
Dr. Kinley: Ye shall be clean:
Reader: from all your filthiness
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Dr. Kinley: From all your filthiness.
Reader: and from all your idols,
Dr. Kinley: And from all your idols.
Reader: will I cleanse you.
Dr. Kinley: Will cleanse you.
Reader: a new heart also
Dr. Kinley: A new heart also.
Reader: will I give you
Dr. Kinley: will I give you,
Reader: and a new spirit
Dr. Kinley: And a new spirit.
Reader: will I put within you.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute, Doc. You oughta read that right. Here you're a medical doctor and you can't read it as a vital force upon somebody. Are you following? Yahweh said He was gonna put it within you. He said a new heart. And He would wash or sprinkle you with clean water and wash you from all your idols. Now remember, these things have to be fulfilled because this a prophecy. So when Yahshua the Messiah was the Word made flesh, in order to fulfill that, you gotta take the basin and wash the disciples feet. And Moses back in the law now, he had to take Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu to the door of the tabernacle and wash them in the laver and anoint them with oil. Now what Yahshua the Messiah is doing, He's fulfilling these things, because what He said He was gonna do, and they twisted that all up. Once all the churches did this. He said that He come to fulfil. They said, 'no, you're wrong.' They don't even know that, that they're calling Him a liar, because they said He come to institute. Now all these things were instituted was in two phases, let me put it that way. The end was declared from the beginning, and with Israel who had, now listen, I didn't say Jew or Gentile'. never said a thing about it. They're the ones that had the law contained in the ordinances and with diverse washings and so forth and so on, given from Mount Sinai to the Jew and to the Jew only. Now He's gonna come and fulfill that, 'no, ' they say He's instituting. The world has this book turned upside down and all messed up every kinda way. And they have called Yahweh a liar, they have called Yahshua the Messiah a liar. And Yahshua the Messiah called the devil a liar and they're trying to twist it around and make Yahweh and Yahshua to be the devil or the liar by refuting and disputing what He said. Alright, read this other verses that I gave you on the paper. Now wait a minute, read, better read that over again,
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somebody might go away and not see that.
Reader: A new heart also will I give you,
Dr. Kinley: Now when Moses broke that first tables of stone that was supposed to be laid in the ark, there wasn't no ark, and Yahweh knew what he was gonna do. Now somebody says, 'well, Moses was the first one to break the commandments.' I beg your pardon, he broke the tables of stone and I'll have you know that they had commandments written and that was the first book of Moses, not Genesis, before Moses went up in the mount, because when Yahweh spoke those commandments from the mountain, Moses recorded 'em. And then he took, (I'll just cut this up short) then Moses took the blood of sacrificial animals (now listen at what I'm saying) and he sprinkled the book and also the people and said, 'this is the covenant which Yahweh thy Elohim has enjoined unto you.' Now he did that before he went up in the mountain. Then after he went up in the mountain, before he got back down to break up the tables of stone, they done builded the golden calf down there, which they were told not to do. Now then when Moses broke that tables of stone, then he had to go down and hew out some stones hisself, which symbolizing you taking your old stony heart and he's gonna give you a heart of flesh, that's what this prophet is talking about. Now let me say this, ____ real ____, you know what it's all about or you understand what it's really all about, when Moses come down out of that mountain and broke those tables of stone, (I'm cutting this up short) he gave them instructions how to build the tabernacle. They started on the ark of the covenant first. So when he took them tables of stone back up there the last or the third time, when he came back down he had somewhere to put 'em. Now somebody that didn't believe or don't think you now what you're talking about, that tabernacle is symbolical of your body. Now we have a medical doctor setting right here in our midst that will confirm what I am saying. When a child is conceived in the womb, the head is formed first. Now I mean by that that the ark of the covenant is formed first. So that you'll have some place to lay and that is symbolical of your brain that Yahweh is gonna put His spirit in you, a new heart, a heart of flesh. Are you all following me?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. Read it again Doc and see if that's the way it reads.
Reader: A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. And a new spirit will I put within you and here's what I was telling you. Now if you can see Moses laying them second tables of stone in the ark of the covenant, you wouldn't be running around here talking a whole lotta fool talk about, did he put it within you. See how you get tricked when you don't know what it's all about. Now those folks out there selling books, and they swear about all that's holy, and you couldn't tell a one nothing to save your life, that they're right and that they are Jehovah's Witnesses. Well, they may be Jehovah's Witnesses, but Jehovah is really not His name, and neither is Allah. Are you
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following? His name is Yahweh. Now do you see where He said He was gonna put it within. Now let's see whether He done it or not. 2nd chapter of Acts of Apostles and let's cut this up short and have to move fast.
Reader: And when the day of Pentecost was fully come,
Dr. Kinley: But now when the day of Pentecost was fully come.
Reader: While they were all with one accord in one place.
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: Suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and filled all the house where they were sitting.
Dr. Kinley: Now a lotta people don't even know why that was.
SIDE 2:
Dr. Kinley: You won't go back to the law and you won't go to the prophecy. And you think you're reading over in the New Testament and that's not so, cause the New Testament is not written with pen and ink but it's written in the heart and the mind. And all these old erroneous doctrines that are spread throughout the world is as wrong as they can be, but you're gonna have to have (listen at this) you're going to have to have Yahweh Elohim or in other words you're gonna have to have Yahshua the Messiah in a body to do some teaching, I didn't say me. You follow what I, what I say to you cause I'm fully aware and conscious of what I am saying. Now if you are a son, not a saint, not a Christian, not a Baptist, not a Methodist, not a Roman Catholic, none of that, but if you are a son of Yahweh as Yahshua the Messiah said that He was, and He was acknowledged at the River of Jordan when He said and John's baptizing, 'this is My beloved son.' Now that's what you're gonna have to have in you now. Now He went to prepare a place for you. Now somebody thought that, 'well, He's gone on into heaven now, and He's gonna prepare a place for us and after a while He's gonna come back and escort us there to our apartment because He said in My Father's house is many mansions.' Well, He was His Father's house and in it was many mansions. I just got through telling you we are all the family of Yahweh, and we are the Son as He was then, and what He said to 'em, said, 'if I go, I'll come again and receive you unto myself.' Now listen at this statement, 'where I am,' where He was standing right there then in the flesh, He was a Son of Yahweh Elohim. Now you, you following that? Now where He was at that time is where you're supposed to be now, and that's the place that He prepared for you. You wanna test the authenticity of that? Now you, you do? Turn over there in Matthew and I'll show you what's, whether, whether that's so or not. Where He's dividing the sheep from the goats, and let's see what happens. See if He's gone off somewhere to fix up something up above the sun, moon, and stars. If that's what He meant. Matthew 25, I think it's 34 or 35 or something like that, where He's dividing the sheep from the goats.
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Reader: When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
Dr. Kinley: When the Son of Man shall come in His glory.
Reader: and all his holy angels with him,
Dr. Kinley: And all of His holy angels with Him.
Reader: then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Dr. Kinley: Then shall He set upon the throne of His glory.
Reader: And before him shall be gathered all nations;
Dr Kinley: And before Him shall be gathered the jews.
Student Body: No.
Reader: All.
Dr. Kinley: Now how about that. All nations. Alright, read.
Reader: and he shall separate them one from another,
Dr. Kinley: Now he shall separate them one for, from another.
Reader: as a shepherd divideth his sheep
Dr. Kinley: As a shepherd divideth his sheep.
Reader: from the goats:
Dr. Kinley: From the goats.
Reader: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
Dr. Kinley: Now He shall set the sheep on His right hand.
Reader: but the goats on the left.
Dr. Kinley: But the goats on the left.
Reader: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
Dr. Kinley: Then shall the King say unto them.
Reader: on his right hand,
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Dr. Kinley: On His right hand.
Reader: Come, ye blessed of my Father,
Dr. Kinley: Come, ye blessed of My Father.
Reader: inherit the kingdom
Dr. Kinley: In... Now wait a minute, just a minute now, let's get this thing easy. Inherit the kingdom, come ye blessed of my father and inherit the kingdom which Jesus went to prepare.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Well now, I wanna find out about it.
Reader: and inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? It was prepared way back yonder. What would He look like creating a man with a belly and an appetite and have to be fed and then he got to go out there and plant some seed in the ground and grow up some trees in the Garden of Eden before he had anything to eat. Do you see, do you understand what I'm talking about? What would a mother look like having a child and she ain't got nothing for him to eat? You see what I'm talking about? You see how stupid we can get because we don't know the purpose. Now I want to put this in there. If you'll notice that He said there, read that over again Doc.
Reader: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Dr. Kinley: from the foundation of the earth. Well now, what's He going to prepare, that's already been prepared, so He wasn't going away to prepare one, it's already prepared. He's going to prepare a place for you, and the place that He's prepared for you is for you to be where He was when He said that. Somebody said, 'Well, where's that?' That when you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, stand in the Holy Place, whoso readeth, let him understand. And the most of us don't even know where that was, we didn't know that was even in the Book, cause we don't know nothing about the pattern, nobody told us nothing about it. We got a long ways off from what I intend to.., but I'm just trying to show you how stupid. Then, while we're on that, but since we were talking about Jehovah Witnesses. let me show you this. Now all around they got what they call Kingdom Hall that they have builded up, and they're premillenium. Now they look for Yahshua the Messiah to come down through the sky and set up a kingdom on this earth, not realizing, not understanding that He sent His disciples out and told them to tell the people that the kingdom of heaven is nigh. Well now, it was 2000, almost 2000 years off, it wouldn't be very close to
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you, wouldn't you think? Now what is the Kingdom of God, or the Kingdom of Yahweh? What is it? Romans 14:17.
Reader: For the kingdom of Yahweh is not meats and drinks
Dr. Kinley: Now, for the kingdom of Yahweh, now let's get this straight. Now I, I don't, I don't have time to do a whole lot reading cause I have a lot of ground to cover here but I'm trying to point it out to you so that you can see. Now the first covenant with Israel stood only in meats and drinks and diverse washings and carnal ordinances imposed on the Jew or on them until the time of the reformation. And Yahshua the Messiah had to come to fulfil all of those carnal ordinances and footwashing, water baptism, and all those carnal.., that was given to them, and Yahweh, they called Him a liar on that. He said He was not gonna make another covenant, Jeremiah 31:31, like He did in the days when He took Israel by the hand and led them out into the wilderness, led them out of Egypt. He said He wasn't gonna do it. Now then, some of these stupid preachers say, 'well, water baptism was brought over from the other age, foot washing was brought over from the other age, Lord's supper was brought over from the other age.' Now this is what Yahshua the Messiah said about it. He said, 'verily, verily I say unto you that one jot or one tittle of the law, 'it means that's a jot and a tittle, 'shall not pass until they all be fulfilled.' And when He had fulfilled the law it was nailed out there on the cross. We are not dealing with the flesh no more. We're dealing with the spirit, not the flesh. Now the kingdom, it's a spiritual kingdom. And let me get this over to you too cause.., I, I hope you get a chance to read. Now in the kingdom of Yahweh. Now Dr. Harris read it awhile ago (which we just can't set up here and continue to repeat these things over and over) that when He would come with His mighty angels. Now these mighty angels are in that kingdom prepared for you before the foundation of the world. They're in there. Somebody might say, 'well now look, I don't believe that, what you just read it. Then if you went into the sanctuary (somebody run up there right quick), if you went into the sanctuary, you would find Michael and (better look at the big one over there, they can't see that too well.) Now that's the interior of the tabernacle or the sanctuary. And if you notice on the veils and all around the walls, there are angels in it. Now that is a figure of heaven. Now all you have to do to find out what's there is to look in the sanctuary in heaven. Alright, read.
Reader: For the kingdom is not meats
Dr. Kinley: Now it's not meats.
Reader: and drinks
Dr. Kinley: And drink.
Reader: but righteousness, peace
Dr. Kinley: But it is, now this is what it is. It is righteousness
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Reader: and peace,
Dr. Kinley: And peace.
Reader: and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Dr. Kinley: And joy in the Holy Spirit. Now that's what the kingdom of Yahweh is and that's what He sent His disciples out to tell the people that it was at hand. And the other covenant had to be moved out of the way before the.., or a New Covenant could come of effect or the Holy Spirit within you. Do you understand now? Now that's clean, that's clear, that anybody that understands what it's all about. Now if you would go into Solomon's Temple you would find that the interior of that temple had angelic figures on it and it had pomegranate trees and it was gold, overlaid with gold and pressed into those figures which signified the new earth state. Now these people running around talking about the kingdom and Yahshua the Messiah coming back setting up a kingdom on the earth; it's foolish, nothing else but foolishness. It's already set up and it is righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. And Yahshua the Messiah taken off the flesh, come back in the spirit in the Father's name and is in you, the tabernacle, just like He dwelled in that tabernacle back with Israel. That's why the apostle said, 'don't you know,' the sixth chapter of 1 Corinthians, 'don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit? of which temple you are, for you are bought with a price' (get this straight) 'and you are not your own.' People looking at one another, they think they got a body, they don't have no body. The body belongs to Him, and He's just manifesting through you, that's all; and not only you, the earth is the, Yahweh and the fullness thereof, and everything in His temple says glory to the Father, but with a carnal mind you can't see off of the end of your nose. And the devil is doing nothing else but tricking you and fooling you. Alright. Now go back and get those scriptures that I had in the beginning.
Reader: 14th chapter of Revelations
Dr. Kinley: 14th. Now here's something else Jehovah's Witnesses teach. They say that there is a 144000 of the earth class going to heaven and the rest of 'em be bound to hell on earth. Now that's not so. Now here's where they get it at. Read.
Reader: And I looked, and lo a Lamb stood on the mount Sion,
Dr. Kinley: And I looked and lo a lamb stood on mount Sion.
Reader: and with him
Dr. Kinley: And with him
Reader: a hundred, forty and four thousand (144,000),
Dr. Kinley: With Him a hundred and forty and four thousand (144,000).
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Reader: having his name and his Father's name
Dr. Kinley: Having His name and their Father's name.
Reader: written in their
Dr. Kinley: Hold it. Now His name and His Father's name is not Jehovah, not Jehovah God as they say. Having it written in their forehead. Now let me give you a little symbolical illustration of that. I'll do it real quick. The high priest when he put on the miter or the bonnet, it had two strings that went around and tied in the back, and it had this insignia on it: 'Holiness unto Yahweh.' Now that's what it had on, signified that His name would be in their foreheads. Alright, read.
Reader: having his name
Dr. Kinley: Having His name.
Reader: and his father's name
Dr. Kinley: And His Father's name.
Reader: written in their foreheads.
Dr. Kinley: Written in their foreheads.
Reader: And I heard a voice from heaven
Dr. Kinley: And I heard a voice from heaven.
Reader: as a voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder, and I heard the voice of harpers, harping with their harps:
Dr. Kinley: That's right.. Now get in the 7th chapter where he heard the number.
Reader: 7th chapter and the 4th verse.
Dr. Kinley: 7th chapter, 4th verse.
Reader: of Revelations
Dr. Kinley: Of Revelations.
Reader: And I heard the number of them which were sealed:
Dr. Kinley: I heard the number of them which were sealed.
Reader: and there were sealed
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Dr. Kinley: And there were sealed.
Reader: a hundred and forty and four thousand (144,000)
Dr. Kinley: A hundred and forty four thousand (144,000)
Reader: of all the tribes
Dr. Kinley: Of all the tribes.
Reader: of the children of Israel.
Dr. Kinley: Of the children of Israel. Now somebody go to the chart. Now, when the children of Israel come out of the land of Egypt (see he's pointing to it), went through the Red Sea, and went in the Wilderness of Sinai, they're, they're pointing every which a way, cause that's what these charts are drawn for. Yahweh ordered me to draw these charts and I have just definitely decided I will not make no more charts and if you can't get it from here, shame on you.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Now, when Israel come up out of Egypt, went through the Red Sea, went in the Wilderness of Sinai, and then stayed there 40 years, one day for a year, and all of them died in there except Eleazar, I mean that came out of Egypt, Eleazar, Phineas (Phinehas?), and Caleb. No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that Joshua was ____ ____. No indeed, I did not say that. Now the reason why I didn't say that, He wasn't born down in Egypt, now He just took on that body down there in Egypt, He's the son of Nun. 'No, what are you talking about?' None of the twelve tribes of Israel or the twelve sons of Jacob. And He's still the son of none after the flesh. Alright, now, how many Doc, according to Numbers, how many was it that come out a there and all of 'em died in the Wilderness ____ ____, including Moses and Aaron, except Phineas or finish.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You got that? Eleazar, that's Aaron's son, and Phineas, so Phineas and Eleazar and Caleb. Now those three men had to come out of there and make it to Canaan's Land. Now there was a reason for that: in the mouth of two (2) or three (3) witnesses every word has got to be established and you got Yahweh, Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah don't you have that? Then you got to have that same thing going into Canaan's Land that come up out a Egypt. Alright, but how many was there Doc?
Dr. Harris: 603,550 soldiers.
Dr. Kinley: Where do you find that at?
Dr. Harris: over in
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Dr. Kinley: Now somebody's gonna running on these tapes
Dr. Harris: Numbers 1:49
Dr. Kinley: Numbers 1:49. How many?
Dr. Harris: 603, 550
Dr. Kinley: 603, 500 and what?
Dr. Harris: 50
Dr. Kinley: 50. Now how did he, how did he get the count? Moses told them in the 25th chapter of Exodus, that each one of 'em from 20 years old bring a offering to build that tabernacle out of the substance which they brought up out of Egypt. And as they brought it they were numbered. Right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: You got a record of it there, haven't you? But those that were born in the Wilderness and went across the River of Jordan to fight and to.., the conquest of Canaan of able bodied men, Joshua took a count of 'em, but nobody knew nothing about how.., just how many there was, cause you don't have no records back over there. And they had a record of how many come out of Egypt.
Reader: Numbers 1:46
Dr. Kinley: Numbers 1:46. Numbers 1:46. But none of 'em, Joshua, he counted them, they was never supposed to be counted without the shekel of the sanctuary. They already had the sanctuary, but Joshua is counting, it must have been for another purpose. The able bodied men that was able to go to war. Now, how many of 'em it was, it didn't say, it's not written. Now here's John out on the Isle of Patmos, he said he heard the number called. So it is Yahshua, son of Yahweh, out on the Isle of Patmos with John. After he had ascended into heaven, listen now, and after the conquest of Canaan's Land was finished. And that tabernacle and all setting up there. How many of 'em was it? No record. But John said, 'I heard the number called, 144,000.' Jehovah's Witnesses said that's the 144000 of the earth class going to heaven. That happened way back there. Do you follow? And that was a 144,000. But now since that time, that there was many that was born in Canaan's Land and come all the way down to Yahshua the Messiah and on down to these apostles on past. And many of 'em that.., read about that multitude, John said he looked and he saw.
Reader: These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. There's another number there. There's a great multitude that no man could number there. In the 7th or the 14th chapter of Revelations.
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Reader: 7th chapter and the ninth verse. After this I beheld, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number
Dr. Kinley: which no man could number
Reader: of all nations
Dr. Kinley: of all nations
Reader: and kindred
Dr. Kinley: and kindreds
Reader: and people, and tongues
Dr. Kinley: and people and tongues,
Reader: stood before the throne.
Dr. Kinley: Now just hold it, just a minute. You remember that Yahweh told Abraham that he would multiply his seed as the sands of the sea. He told Abraham to look up and count the stars. Now here this whole multitude that John is seeing out there on the Isle of Patmos, even the Gentiles were grafted in and they made up that great multitude which no man could number. And they too was out there on Mount Sion. Now someone would come along and say, 'well look, you're wrong about that, you don't know what you're talking about, you don't understand what you're talking about.' Now I'm gonna let you read, where'd you say they was?
Reader: Mt. Sion
Dr Kinley: On Mount Sion. Now let's see whether what we're saying is so or not. 12th chapter of Hebrews. Now Hebrews are jews. And let's see whether what I just said is so or not. Alright read.
Reader: For ye are not come
Dr. Kinley: Where you reading?
Reader: Hebrews 12:18
Dr. Kinley: Hebrews 12:18. Look in your Book in Hebrews 12:18. Alright read
Reader: For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched,
Dr. Kinley: You are not come unto the mount that might be touched.
Reader: that burned with fire,
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Dr. Kinley: And that burned with fire,
Reader: nor unto blackness
Dr. Kinley: Nor unto blackness and darkness
Reader: and darkness, and tempest
Dr. Kinley: And tempest.
Reader: and the sound of a trumpet.
Dr. Kinley: And the sound of a trumpet.
Reader: and the voice of words
Dr. Kinley: And the voice of words
Reader: which voice they that heard entreated
Dr. Kinley: For they, they that heard entreated.
Reader: that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Dr. Kinley: That the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Reader: For they could not endure that which was commanded.
Dr. Kinley: For they could not endure that which that they were commanded, was commanded
Reader: And if so much as a beast
Dr. Kinley: And if so much as a beast touched the mountain, that Mount Sinai back there
Reader: it shall be stoned or thrust through with a dart:
Dr. Kinley: Stoned or thrust through with a dart.
Reader: And so terrible was the sight.
Dr. Kinley: And so terrible was the sight
Reader: that Moses said
Dr. Kinley: That Moses, now you got it now, that Moses said
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Reader: I exceedingly fear and quake
Dr. Kinley: 'I, I'm shaking myself.' Moses the man that Yahweh spoke to at the burning bush and He sent him down into Egypt and brought 'em out. He said, 'I'm, I exceedingly quake and fear. And he stood there and trembled and so also did Mount Sinai. Alright read.
Reader: But
Dr. Kinley: Uh oh. Now you got a but. Now anybody in here that's ever been to school knows that and, but, and for are conjunctions that join together two complete thoughts. Now you not come to Mount Sinai, but you are come... Now wait a minute. Read that over again.
Reader: But
Dr. Kinley: But
Reader: ye are come.
Dr. Kinley: No, no, no, no. We ain't gonna have it like that. There ain't but a 144,000 of the earth class going. Now here's Paul saying, 'ye are come.' Already come. That's past tense. Not going.. Are you following me now? But ye are come, to what?
Reader: unto Mount Sion
Dr. Kinley: To Mount Sion. Did you say that there is but a 144,000 standing out there on Mount Sion ____ ____ ____. Do you say that? Well now here's Mount Sion. And now Paul say, you are come. The Jehovah's Witnesses is saying,'Oh no only 144,000 of the earth class going. Now you see? Now are you reading out of the Bible?
Reader: Yes I am
Dr. Kinley: Alright read.
Reader: But ye are come
Dr. Kinley: But ye are come. Already come. Read.
Reader: unto Mt. Sion
Dr. Kinley: unto Mt. Sion
Reader: and unto the city of the living Elohim
Dr. Kinley: and unto the city of the living Elohim
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Reader: and the heavenly Jerusalem
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, not the earthly Jerusalem over here but the heavenly Jerusalem. Now that almost makes me have to stop right there and run you over here in Galatians 4:26. And I'm just showing you how somebody get the thing all messed up, all twisted up. And these satanic spirits incarnated in a physical body. Now my point here now is, you just got through reading, you are come to the heavenly Mt. Sion and the heavenly Jerusalem. Is that what you read? Alright, now let's see.
Reader: Galatians 4:26
Dr. Kinley: Galatians 4:26. Now back to Jerusalem there.
Reader: but Jerusalem which is above
Dr. Kinley: But Jerusalem which is above
Reader: is free
Dr. Kinley: is free.
Reader: which is the mother of us all.
Dr. Kinley: Is the mother of us all. Do you see that now? ____ ____ ____ ____ but is the mother of both the jews and the gentiles. The mother of us all. Now did you just say Jerusalem above? Did you just say you are come to Mount Sion and to Jerusalem above? Is that what you said? Notice now it didn't say the Vatican. It didn't say Rome. It didn't say Rome above. It said Jerusalem above, which is the mother of us all. Now Roman Catholics think that they are the mother church, can't be anything else other than the mother of harlots, because Jerusalem above is our mother. Now all them kinda things is why they running around looking for me, trying to get a crack at me. And the carnal minded, I'm a jew inwardly, so don't feel bad when I say the carnal minded jews and the Roman Catholics and the protestants are the satanic spirits incarnated in physical bodies with a carnal mind and are dead and they don't know what it's all about. And they just got the whole thing all twisted and all messed up, have came up with every kind of erroneous doctrine you can think of. Now alright, read.
Reader: and ye are come to an innumerable company of angels.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute doc, wait just a minute. Now you there gonna come. Now some people will come along and say, 'how many members you got in your church? There's so many thousands of us, not a handful of folks like you got. And it was that you was preaching the right thing you'd have a whole lot of 'em.' No, I beg your pardon, you got it backwards because there isn't gonna be a lot of men that go over from this age, as there was of men which come over from the ark and as there was men that come over from Yahshua the Messiah into
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this present age. Now we are come to an innumerable company of angels. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Alright.
Reader: to the general assembly.
Dr. Kinley: And to the general assembly. Now hold that. Wait just a minute. Now this is Paul talking. Now when Yahshua the Messiah appeared or revealed to John out in the Isle of Patmos. He told him to write what he saw and heard and send it to the Vatican to be imprimatured.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: How bout that? Not anything imprimatured by Roman Catholics ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____.
So he didn't tell him ____ that. They say they're so many because the ____ banished John to the Isle of Patmos, so if he banished him to the Isle of Patmos, it would seem like that his communication would have been with Rome, but He didn't tell him to do that. He said send it to the 7 churches or assemblies which were in Asia: Philadelphia, Laodicea and so forth and so on. Now look, now all of them, just like our schools are everywhere ____, they all speak the same thing and they're all perfectly joined together as far as the earth plane is concerned, were in the same place, so it's the general assembly. Alright read.
Reader: and church of the firstborn.
Dr. Kinley: and congregation or assembly of the first born, of the firstborn. Read.
Reader: which are written in heaven
Dr. Kinley: Which are written in heaven
Reader: and to Yahweh the judge
Dr. Kinley: No, no, doc. You can't read right. He can't read right. Medical doctor setting up in here and he can't even read it right. Went to college and got his degrees, and practicing medicine, studied anatomy and physiology, and psychology and philosophy and every other kinda thing, and now he can't read. You don't want a doctor like that to come around to you.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Do you see through what I mean? Now he's reading out of the Book. He's reading what the book says, not what Jehovah's Witnesses say or somebody else. You see the point? Now you have come to Yahweh. Yahweh is everywhere, He is the sum total of everything that exists. And it is in Him that we live and we move and we have our being. Now when I say the sum total of everything, I do mean the vegetation, the man, the ____ or the depths of the sea
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that is____ , or let me reach down, lotta times they scold me about them words, every so called inanimate and animate object and thing, individuals and personals in the earth plane and also in the heavens above, including the incorporeal as well as the corporeal. Now that's who He is. He's the Father, listen, and we have it said every time we come to school, He is the source, and He is the substance, He is the limits and the bounds. No way to get outside of Him and look back at Him. And no man has seen Him with these physical eyes. You just have to see Him manifested in a body and in nature because He's the sum total of everything. He's the ____ and the substance of everything. Now did you follow me? Did you understand? Now if we'd believe that, we'd behave ourselves one towards another. The black folks over here running around talking about black power. The white folks have got white supremacy. The jews, they're segregated and separated. Now get this one. The yellow folks, they say the Chinese... Williams, did you ever get the ____ of that? Now the Chinese are the yellow race. Now while I'm on that. I wanna tell you this. Don't you be deceived. Now I told you who I was. I told you that I was a jew inwardly and not one outwardly, and I also told you that I was the Son of God, not a Roman Catholic or a Protestant, and I am not a communist. And when you come right down to the thing that's what we've all got, just common, just common folks with the spirit of Yahweh. That's it. Now I'm not taken as they define me to be. Now they say, the devil said this, the Roman Catholic Church. They put that story on the communists. They said they were atheistic inclined. That's what they say, but I wanna let you know that the Roman Catholic Church in Russia, I wanna let you know that there's a Baptist Church in Russia, I wanna let you know that the Russian Orthodox Church is in Russia. And I wanna let you know that the Russian people believe in Yahweh, but they don't believe in this segregational foolishness that the Roman Catholics have with because they will not let them rule the world in these things that's are ____. They gobble up all the land and every thing.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
recorded by Edna Law
1 90 minute audio cassette
CATALOG # 72.0924
transcribed by Gary Leach and Cathy Fenti
proofread by Gerry Rothstein and Michael Rothstein
proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
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Dr. Kinley: Good morning, I just wanna make a few remarks, call your attention to some things. And as I quite frequently say, people put their finger on things in the Bible, read a verse and then make it to be foolishness. Now, we had the 3rd chapter of John read, and it says there, no man has ascended into heaven. Now this is Yahshua the Messiah talking to Nicodemus. Nicodemus was a ruler of the Jews, and of the Sanhedrin Council, which I mean by that he was a ruler or an elder of seventy. Now He said, no man has ascended into heaven save the Son of Man which is come down from heaven. Suppose you read.
Reader: And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven.
Dr. Kinley: Now you've got in heaven there. Now, are reading out of the Holy Name Bible?
Reader: Holy Name.
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Dr. Kinley: Read on.
Reader: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up. That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For Yahweh so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Dr. Kinley: Have everlasting life. Now, this is what I wanna tell you, since we've been talking about entering in, and a coming out of these veils. I wanna make it real good and clear to you so you can understand. Now no man has ascended into heaven. Now somebody will read the Bible and they'll say, 'well what about Enoch? What about Elijah? Says there he ascended into heaven in a chariot of fire and threw his mantle back on to Elisha.' Is that right?
Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: 'What about them?' Now here comes Yahshua the Messiah says He hasn't seen anything of them up there. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now how do you think that? Now if you noticed, He said that He was coming down. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: I want you to see this now. Didn't anyone see Him come down. Now how about that one. Now I wanna tell you how He came down. He came down through 63 generations. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Yes indeed here He is. And you have confirmation of that by those cranial nerves, 63 of them. Am I almost half way right about that. Now you don't see them come down. Do you?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: No. That right? Now, we were discussing about going in this side of the vail in the tabernacle. And then as Dr. Mitchell told you, I said, 'no, this side.' The high priest.., well, now there could be a lot of controversy still yet going on in the minds of the people about such things. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now if He come down that way and they didn't see Him come down through 63 generations... Now if you wanna get straightened out on that, look at the 3rd chapter of Luke and the last verse. Now we don't have time to read all the...
Reader: which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of Elohim.
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Dr. Kinley: Now he was the Son of 'Elohim' in the flesh. Now 63 generations of Him, here comes the Messiah, I mean through the loins of a woman. Now before when He was back there with Moses He didn't come through no loins of no woman. But now I want to point this out to you, that He told that woman back there (now are you listening? Are you real sure you're listening?) and Moses was listening right at Him when He told her that she should bring forth children. Isn't that right? And of course it was coming from, from Adam, which come from her, come from him; in other words the woman come from the man. And the posterity come through the seed. Now then, it's..., we've told you this time and time again that that serpent's head would bruise his heel and it's heel would bruise his head. Is that right? Now if you're gonna talk about him going in on the left hand side... Now ____ ____ ____ down. Now here is what I, here's what I want you, this is what I want you to see. Look in the 7th chapter of Acts of the Apostles when Stephen was stoned to death. See what he said there. He's looking up and he saw the vision and he said he saw Him standing at where?
Student Body: Right hand
Dr. Kinley: Right hand, which means that now He has fulfilled all of that and has come on down through them generations. So now then he's got to be at the right hand. Now this is what I'm talking about. When He ascended that's on the Mount of Olives, get that in the 1st chapter of Acts, into heaven. Then you read this morning, in the vail, about Him appearing within the vail, that is to say, within the vail, that is to say what? Now, not not, I want everybody to understand now what we're talking about so we won't have a whole lotta interrogations and questions about it. In through the vail, that is to say through the flesh. Is that what Stephen said? Read it. Now be quick, I don't wanna be up here too long, I want to let someone preach to you.
Reader: And said, behold, I see the heavens opened and the son of...
Dr. Kinley: Stand up and, and, and a lotta times people can't hear back there.
Reader: Acts 7:56 and said, behold I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Right hand. So he ascended. Now we're talking about a descent and an ascent. Alright, thank you Dr. Gross. Now read there in the Acts of Apostles. I mean in Hebrews about the things that it says enter into the, the, through the flesh. Now here's what I'm telling you. Now listen. Listen close now. And this is how you miss the boat.
Reader: Hebrews 10:20.
Dr. Kinley: Hebrews 10:20. Read.
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Reader: 19th verse. Having therefore, brethren, liberty to enter into the Holiest place by the blood of Yahshua by a new and living way which he has consecrated for us through the vail, that is to say, his flesh.
Dr. Kinley: That is to say, his flesh. Now when he died and resurrected out there, no more flesh. Now he entered in through the vail, that is to say, His flesh. I tried my best to tell you every kinda way I know how that Yahshua the Messiah or the Holy Spirit in you. Whereas Yahweh said that he was gonna put it in the New Testament or in that New Covenant. And while we're on that too, I wanna make this clear to you: that was not a covenant that was made with the house, I mean with the gentiles. The New Covenant nor the old wasn't made with the gentiles, made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Is that almost right? And you according, as Dr. Mitchell preached so hard on this morning, you come in by the promise that He made to Abraham that through his seed He would bless all of the families of the earth. Is that almost right? Now we wanna get through this vail, you wanna understand this thing. Now I want you to go over to Matthew 27, I think it's 52. Now I want you to see how this vail is a.., is fixed up. And I want you to see what happened. You tell me now, whether it was rented from the bottom to the top or from the top to the bottom. Try reading it.
Reader: And behold, the vail of the temple was torn in twain from the top to the bottom.
Dr. Kinley: Now it's from the top to the bottom. How did that happen? Is because, now those curtains out here and in there too, was hung, and they hung down from the top and that signifies the flesh. Well when He resurrected from the, or from the dead, now the vail was ripped completely out, a new and living way. And He entered on through the vail, that is to say through His flesh. And He entered on back into heaven. Now listen, He came down from heaven. Now he didn't come down on this side over here, can't do that. So now He's got to, Okay, He's got to go enter in, I mean straight in too, I don't mean on the side either, I mean straight up there, but that vail has got to be ripped out. Now that's the thing that we can't learn. Now here's why we can't learn it, because we can't see within the vail.
But if you get up and start your mouth to running then it won't be long before somebody gonna see through you. Yes sir, they're gonna see through you just as sure as shooting.
Now we had a person here the other night. They read all around in the Bible. We ain't got no argument with the Bible, course we know there's interpolations and mistranslations in it. Then by reading, now these people know what's in a Bible, what's the matter with you. There ain't anybody in here that can't read. Someone up there just saying I, I would, I'd be surprised to find anybody in here that couldn't read. Now listen Bill, you can't read nothing out of this Bible that I can't read out of it. And I can't read nothing out of it that you can't read out of it. Now how about that?
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So when he got through with it, ____ ____ I said listen, anybody in this room that disagrees with what that man read out of the Bible, stand up. So if you get up, they can look around too. We don't have no disagreement with you. They swear that you can read just as well out of this Bible as anybody else. That's not where the problem is. That's not where, that's not where the problem is. And we've told you time and time again, this is not a Bible reading, scripture quoting contest. That's not what this is.
Oh, I could tell you some things yet that would almost straighten your hair. That's right. For those of us who don't have real straight hair and those of us who have straight hair they'd stand it almost on their ends. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now since I've come to think about it, I think I'll tell you something about it. If they're laying it down as well as they did before where we did before. Oh me, oh my, can you tell me how this happened? Now you have the 7th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles don't you? Alright now, I want you to listen now. Now don't be trying to read, because now, I'll tell you where it is at. I think you'll find this over there in the 3rd chapter of Exodus. Now listen. Dr. Gross is fixing to botch up something else here. ____ ____ Now they didn't know, the people did not know that, that the tent of the tabernacle of the congregation that the assembly, it was brought out of Egypt. They, they didn't know that. Now I didn't say the tabernacle, I said the tent of the tabernacle. Now listen Freddie, what I wanna say now. Now you've got the bread in you, and you missed the boat, and this kind of thing and somebody comes back and tell you something about it. Say, 'well, why didn't you tell us about it before now?' Well it wasn't time. I can't tell you something until Yahweh tells me to tell you. How about that? Yahshua the Messiah at the transfiguration, and from that time forward he began to tell them about how he got to go up to Jerusalem and to suffer and to die. He didn't tell them before. Is that what the Book said? Then finally by and by He told them for this cause came I into the world to die. Now how,about that? But they didn't know it and He didn't tell them till after the transfiguration. Right? Now look, the tent of the tabernacle was pitched back here at the back side of the mount, that they brought up out of Egypt, and the cloud stood there. Are you listening now? And it was pitched afar off (I'd like you to get that afar off too) from the rest of the assembly. No Moses ____, they were not right there camping around with the rest of them. It's on the back side of the mountain and afar off from the camp. Can you read that in the Book? Now look, when He took Moses up in the mountain and showed him the tabernacle. Now this is what He told him, He told him to take an offering of the Children of Israel and build Him a sanctuary so that He might dwell among them. How about that?
Now then, when the sanctuary or tabernacle was builded then, and, and consecrated and all, then that cloud that brought them up out of Egypt, the cloud that hung over the top of Mount Sinai (there goes Your hair-raiser) it come on down over the top of that tabernacle, and they couldn't minister in it. And it was the same way in the temple too, because the temple was filled with smoke or with incense. They couldn't minister in it at all. Now are you listening? Are you sure you're listening? Well, right there is where the shechinah enters in. Which side did he go in? How did he get in? But he entered in, and listen here, I want to get this
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one over to you too, so you can take this one home with you. Now Joshua, after he crossed over the River Jordan and went into Palestine and set that tabernacle out there on Mount Sion. Of course it was 20 years in and out ____, but there was ____ going on. Joshua had gathered all the elders of Israel together at Shechem. You'll find I think that around about the 24th chapter of Joshua. And He told them about what all that He had did down there in the land of Egypt.
Now if you wanna argue with Him and say He wasn't down there, but when you read over here in, in Exodus and all, the first thing you, the first place you read him, He's out there fighting against the Amalekites. The problem is they missed that. They read about Him that he was down here, on the other side of the river, other side of the flood. Is that right? Now, at Shechem as He gathered the Israel's elders together, and He told them what you read there in the 24th chapter of Joshua. He died at age 110, now I ain't gonna go into no whole lot of mathematics on that. And they buried His body in the plot given to Ephraim. Right? You say that's right? Now watch and see where I am going to but every year after that, when that high priest would go into that sanctuary, so that's what I want you to see, the Elohim of Israel would appear there in the cloud. That's what he seen in the vision. Now this entering through the vail and through the flesh and coming into the flesh and all like that, those are things that people just simply miss the boat on. You follow what I'm trying to say? That wasn't all there was to Him, is what they put in the ground and that, that wasn't all of it. Do you see what a problem you got on your hands. And every smart alec that comes along thinks he knows all about the purpose of Yahweh. And he thinks all that you have to do is read the Bible and then he's got it made. Not so. Now listen folks, He went straight on in by a new and living way. What do you mean by that? It means that while that vail was hanging up there, the way in was not made known, but after He had died and resurrected from the dead, that vail was ripped out. Now how do you go in? Now some of these things have to be revealed to these people. Now, where problems are, Yahshua in you or the Holy Spirit in you, is within the vail. And when you get up and yak, yak and yak, yak and yak, yak and run your mouth and read all around in the Bible to prove a point, misunderstanding everything you read. We didn't have no quarrel with the Bible, we had a quarrel with you, what you said. Now I wanna mention one or another thing here too. Now Matthew 28:19, I want you to read and 20.
Reader: Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, and lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the age.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen folks, that man stood here on the floor, and he said, 'now that means by the authority of Jesus Christ.' That's what he said, that's what that means. Is that what he said? Those of you were here, you heard him, didn't you? He said now that's what they teach. They teach it's by the authority of Jesus Christ. I say he don't have no authority to tell nobody to go and baptize somebody in water. How about that? Do you know why I said that? Because if he's gonna come and fulfill the carnal ordinances and move it out of the way, he's
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not gonna try and tell somebody to go out there and do some of it. You follow what I mean? So it don't mean you have to, you don't have to put your own interpretation on the Bible.
Now listen folks. When He ascended off of the Mount of Olives. There's another thing we just can't do. They don't understand it. And out here, on this chart right here, this is what I'm talking about (POUNDING NOISE AGAINST THE CHART), this is the Mount of Olives. And if you watch these charts, there you see the 2 angels, there you see the 2 men, there you see the cloud and Him dwelling in the cloud. Same thing there. He's on top the Mount of Olives. And they saw that vision in that cloud on top of there. He was.., look here, don't you know where these 2 men are? Don't you know who they are? Moses and John. The law and the prophets. Michael and Gabriel. Don't you, don't you understand that? Now look, if He came down from heaven and they didn't see him, that's the reason why they questioned Him. And they thought that he was Joseph's son. And He was walking around talking about His father. And then somebody else wanna raise an argument, where it says there in the 3rd chapter of John, no man has ascended into heaven but the Son of Man. They want to put it like this: which was in heaven, meaning that He's not now. Want to draw a long WAAAS in heaven. Somebody says, they're thinking as He's thinking now. Are you listening? Are you sure you're listening? Now, He said no man has seen the Father at any time but the Son and to whomsoever the Son will reveal. Ain't nobody will reveal nothing to you but the Son. I don't mean the son of perdition either. He said I proceeded and come forth from the Father, His intent words, which was in heaven, and which is in heaven. Somebody says, 'no, He ain't.' You got to see Him back up in there where He was before, meaning that they had to see a vision of Him cause they wouldn't know that He come from heaven if they hadn't seen the vision of the ascension. Somebody has to get some conviction out of this thing.
Now look, when you are going up in Mount Sinai at, up and down, up and down, you are ascending, ascending and descending as He was. When you are going up on the Mount of Olives, you are ascending and when you come down, you are descending. Now this is what I want to point out to you: now you listen close. That no man has seen the Father at any time but the Son, and to him whomsoever the Son will reveal. I know it, it reads a little different right there, but that's what I dictated in the Book there, you can, you can read it if you want to. Now listen folks, listen, these people don't know no more about heaven than a hog does about gold teeth.
Now listen closely at what I'm going to say. He said 'believe me.' Well, I'll put it this way for you: He talked so much about His Father, and so they asked Him to show them the Father. Philip asked. He said, 'Philip, have I been so long a time with you and you don't know me? When you see me, you see the Father.' And listen boys and girls, 'believe me that I'm in the Father.' 'Hey wait a minute, now I thought you said your Father was in Heaven. I thought you taught your disciples to pray after this manner: our Father, which art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come.'
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Now it comes to find out His Father's in Him, and He's in Heaven, and you get, you understand what I'm talking about? You're reading around with a little drawed up carnal mind, still, they're not able to see, not able to understand. 'Believe me that the Father is in me and I'm in Him,' and He ain't never been out. Now if you don't want to take it that way, 'believe me for my very works sake.' Somebody went and wrote up a song, 'As Jesus is, there's heaven there.' They don't know what they're writing about, don't know what they're talking about. I'll tell you this is heavenly. Now we sent books to Rex Humbard and a Holy Name Bible 2nd edition of the book and a textbook. Is that right, Dr. Gross? Did he say anything about a Holy Name Bible?
Dr. Gross: Yes
Dr. Kinley: Do you know whether he got it or not, the book? We got the return receipt. He had to sign for it, evidently he must have gotten it. Now we didn't ask nobody in this congregation audience to write him, but Sister Estelle Ellenberg. She wrote him. And this is what she said to him, this is condensed: I wish you'd bring in answers down here sometime. And she told him nothing different than what we wrote in the book, about His name being Yahshua. And he said that he was aware of that, that day, true Hebrew name of.., true name Yahshua. Is that what he said in the letter?
Estelle Ellenberg Yes.
Dr. Kinley: 'If I were in Israel I would use the name of Yahshua.' Ain't that what he said? That's what he said in the letter, but he said the New Testament is written in Greek. Well that is news to me. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) ____ that they said that they got plenty of books that say that it was, but it wasn't. People they'll use just any kind of explanation. They'll say any kind of a thing, not having any knowledge of what they're talking about, and just reading around in the Bible. Now, that man said that, and he went on to talk about Jesus and so forth. And we told him about there is no 'J' in the Hebrew language even until today. And incidentally, there was no 'J' in no language until about the 13th century, some would say, about the Middle Ages. Now listen here folks. This people, this ministry, so called ministry, they'll stand right up in your face and, right up in your face with an open Bible and put their finger on it and read it and then turn right around and deny it. And they're right in the Book. Right in your hearing. Now here's a thing I want to mention. I told you that in the temple of Zerubabel (Zerubbabel?) and also in the temple of Herod, the ark of the covenant was not in there. Now this is all taken from Solomon's temple, but they did have something special in the Holy Place. The high priest has to perform ____. Now what was in there? The Most Holy Place. A rock or stone. Yahweh said, 'behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and a rock of offense: but whomsoever believes in Him will not be offended by Him. Is that about right?
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Yahshua was that rock that was in that Most Holy Place. That was not Peter, but that was that rock that was hewn out of the mountain and He's come on down and he's cut that image on the ____. You have in the 10th chapter of I Corinthians that that rock that followed them was the Messiah. And He is the rock. I want you to read one more at least verse, the 5th chapter of John. Now this is what you've come here to learn about, now you get this learned tonight. Get the 1st epistle of John, the 5th chapter, 19th, 20th, and 21st verses.
Reader: And we know that we are of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Now John said.., and I could run over there and quote it, but I'm trying to get down and give somebody else an opportunity. Now John is saying, if you have any chronological accounts in your Book about the time that it was, this is around AD 90 when John wrote it. He said, now we know that the Son of Yahweh is come. Is that what you read? And what?
Reader: and we know that the Son of Yahweh is come and has given us an understanding
Dr. Kinley: and hath given us an understanding. Alright, read.
Reader: that we may know him that is true.
Dr. Kinley: that we may know him that is true.
Reader: and we are in him,
Dr Kinley: and, and we are in him,
Reader: even in his son
Dr Kinley: Hold it. 1 Corinthians 12:13. I want to know how we got in Him
Reader: For by one spirit,
Dr. Kinley: for by one spirit,
Reader: are we all,
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Not water. For by one spirit,
Reader: are we all baptized
Dr. Kinley: are we all baptized
Reader: into one body,
Dr. Kinley: into one body. Read on.
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Reader: whether we be Jew
Dr. Kinley: Don't make no difference whether you be a Jew or a Gentile
Reader: whether we be bond or free
Dr. Kinley: whether we be bond or free
Reader: and have been all made to drink into one spirit,
Dr. Kinley: and have been all made to drink into one spirit, Right? Read on.
Reader: For the body is not one member, but many.
Dr. Kinley: No, I'm not talking about I Corinthians now. I just want to show how you got in there. Now I want you to listen at what I'm gonna say now. Well, me, I have to read something else. That same man writing. Let's see if we can catch him in a lie. That's the way they do, just to go on about and try to entrap him. And make Paul a liar against one of the epistles against his letters. Alright. Now, you'll have to read for me because it goes back in the first epistle. Gonna have to read it for me, the 8th chapter of Romans. I want you to start right at the 1st verse and read right on through it.
Reader: There is therefore no condemnation,
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. It don't make no difference to me. Not a bit. It don't even disturb me, don't even phase me. Any time you can get up here and swear by all that's holy that the words that you would propose to mean that he baptized and Jesus sent them out after His resurrection to baptize, I know ____, they don't get me shook up. Why not? There is no condemnation to them that are in Yahshua the Messiah. I just showed you how you got in Him, by one spirit we was all baptized into one body.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's how you got in Him. Now since I'm in, there's no condemnation, just say anything you wanna say. That's how you got in, both the Jews and Gentiles, they got in the same way. How about that? Now there is no condemnation to them that are in Yahshua the Messiah. Please read.
Reader: who walk not after the flesh,
SIDE 2
Dr. Kinley: Now they stand right up and say that and read it out of the Bible. Say they're not walking after the flesh. Well, I hope they're speaking of physical Israel back there. But what?
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Reader: but after the spirit
Dr. Kinley: but after the spirit
Reader: for the law of the spirit of life
Dr. Kinley: Now listen here. I want you to get this thing understood too. Cause I don't think that some folks understand it. For the law of the spirit, not the law contained in ordinances, not talking about that, but the law of the spirit of life,
Reader: in Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: in Yahshua the Messiah,
Reader: has made me free.
Dr. Kinley: Listen folks, has made me free, free from what?
Reader: from the law of sin and death,
Dr. Kinley: every bit of every last one of them ordinances. Read just a little further.
Reader: for what the law could not do,
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, you can argue and raise all the sand that you want to, but the law couldn't do it, for what the law could not do
Reader: in that it was weak,
Dr. Kinley: in that it was weak,
Reader: through the flesh
Dr. Kinley: through the flesh,
Reader: Yahweh sending his own son,
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh sending His son,
Reader: in the likeness of sinful flesh,
Dr. Kinley: in the likeness, he looked just like any other man, and they even accused Him of being a sinner, in the likeness of sinful flesh. Right? Said He broke the sabbath. You can't cast out demons by a demoniac spirit that was in him. They called Him everything. You can't stand for nobody to say nothing about you, your preach.., your reverend, 'look reverend, you ain't telling me nothing. I won't be back.' Say,'where are you going?' 'I'm going, I'm gonna hunt me someplace where I can find out something, you ain't told me nothing.'
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(STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) This ain't but a bunch of lies. For the law of the spirit of life which is in Yahshua the Messiah hath made.., talking about has made me free. Now listen, you can't say that about the Gentiles, because they didn't have it, the law contained in ordinances. Paul is a Hebrew. He said it made him free (you see the point?) it made me free from the law of sin and death. That was the ____ ____. Ain't that something? Now you see what I'm saying? And when you read the Bible, why don't you try to take it for what it says. Now go on back.
Reader: And we know that the son of Yahweh is come,
Dr Kinley: And we know that the son of Yahweh is come,
Reader: and,
Dr Kinley: Wait a minute. Now you know the difference between is, and coming or yet to come. Didn't you? Do you know the difference between present and past tense? Is come, and done what?
Reader: and hath given us an understanding,
Dr Kinley: and hath given us an understanding,
Reader: that we may know him,
Dr Kinley: that we may know him,
Reader: that is true,
Dr Kinley: that is true,
Reader: and we are in him,
Dr Kinley: and we are in him,
Reader: that is true,
Dr Kinley: that is true,
Reader: even in his son,
Dr Kinley: even in Yahweh's son or in his son
Reader: Yahshua the Messiah.
Dr Kinley: Yahshua the Messiah. Now you get this next one straight.
Reader: This is the true Elohim and eternal life.
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Dr Kinley: You heard me. This is the true Elohim that created the heavens and earth: that's Him. He's down there in that body that brought them out of Egypt, but they don't see that. Now suppose, would you read Genesis 1:1 out of the Holy Name Bible.
Reader: In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Dr Kinley: Now you see that? That was the true Elohim that was walking around there as Yahshua. That's the true one, that's the true God. That's the, that's the Father manifested in the flesh. Believe it or not, that's Him. How about that? That's the, He was back here as Joshua, and you wanna argue. That's Him. And I said He didn't come through the loins of a woman, just took on a physical body. And He was the one who showed Moses that He was gonna come through the loins of a woman, in that vision. Moses wouldn't known a thing about it. And Dr. Mitchell told you one this morning. I mentioned it the other night to you. He tried to help it some. They've got all kinds of books out there on the market. Some say in the Book of so-called Jasher. Moses didn't write that book. You know who wrote it? Do you know who wrote it? I'll tell you, Yahweh Elohim wrote Jasher, not Moses. Now how about that? Now somebody might want some proof to that. Moses never piped that at all. That's the book that he'd heard about it, got everybody's name in it.
Now you find in Exodus 32, verse 32 which Yahweh had written, not Moses. Now listen folks. Now when Yahshua the Messiah come along, He's beginning at Moses. Now I told you that was the true Elohim. I told you that was Yahweh manifested in a body. You have to prove it, that's why I had you to read it. That's what you come down here for, to find out about it, and you want to find out, and you will know him. Is that what you come for? And if you didn't come for that I'm sorry then you'll just have a disappointment. That's what I'm telling you. And it's always been true, right on down through Adam, and right on down through the ages and generations, right straight on down. Adam was the son. As you have over there in Jude. And as Dr. Mitchell told you this morning, and he tried to tell you that the other night, but you let somebody come along and set a whole bunch of junk in under your nose, the Talmud, the Mishnah, the so- called book of Jasher, the book of Enoch, the book of Abraham, the book of Isaac, the book of Jacob and so forth and so on. You let somebody come along and sell that kind of stuff up in under your nose and you're stupid enough to run out there and start some kind of a argument.
But now look, the reason for you to begin with Moses, Moses saw the bringing of the creation, you're stupid enough to stand up and talk about prehistoric. Pre-HIS-story: Yahweh's story. You see how stupid it is? And they call Yahshua (it's in the verse), He created everything. And He said He would be the first there with Moses, and if he hadn't been in the first there with Moses, you don't have any ____ to come in again. You can't alter that. Now the reason why he begins with Moses was because Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Enoch, now nobody else, didn't write it. That's why he begins with Moses, Enoch never wrote a thing. Abraham never wrote a thing. Isaac never wrote a thing. Enoch never wrote a thing. They
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wouldn't have even known anything at all about Enoch, the 7th from Adam, if Moses hadn't have spoke of it. They wouldn't have known nothing about it, and they still don't know nothing about it. So let me tell you this about that, just to show you the reality of it.
Moses was up there in that mountain, and he was seeing Enoch, he heard what Enoch prophesied, and he wrote it down. I think about the 10th chapter of Deuteronomy. Are you listening at me now? He said, 'behold, Elohim come with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgement.' What are you talking about Enoch? Moses didn't know nothing about this until Joshua came along down or till Yahshua came on and told him about it. Now here's Enoch standing way back over yonder prophesying about this. How about that? Did you, did you understand what I'm talking about? And He said, He'd come, ____ ____ and He's coming ____ ____ ____. Is that, is that almost right? Folks, what we need and we must do, is wake up, awake thou that sleepest and arise from the dead.
Now listen, this is the way it is. Now he consecrated a new and living way through the vail, that is to say, through the flesh. Now I told you how it got down and I told you how it went back. He ascended back up to the Father, where He was before He came down. I've explained to you about the coming down and the going up. And I told you that He was in the Father and the Father was in heaven. All that kinda talk, folks don't understand it. You show us the Father and they ____. Now let me mention one other thing, at least one other thing.
Now here in the 5th chapter of Matthew He says this: He's in, up there in the mountain, 'blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God, for they shall see God.' Now no longer than this morning and every Sunday morning, ain't that right brother Traynham? Jesus said, 'blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.' He went up there in that mount. And spoke to 'em. Right? Um um. That, that ain't the way it is. Now when He told them that he was up there in the mountain where, where He spake from, seeing the multitudes following Him, He went up into the mountain and spoke to them. And now He comes to fulfill. Now it says here that they went up into Mount Sinai and they saw the God of Israel, or they saw God. Now He's telling them 'blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.' Now He takes them out into here, (SLAMS THE CHART) the mount of Transfiguration. And they saw Him, the God of Israel. How about that? That's all. 'Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see.' Now is that the fulfillment. If they saw Him back here, their Elohim, and His countenance and it was bright. And they saw the Elohim of Israel. Now He's got to fulfill it, said, 'blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see.' Didn't he have to take them up in the mountain, transfigure, and they looked right at him: daystar. How about that? Now could I just go ahead and say something else?
Student Body: Yes.
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Dr. Kinley: The possibilities are somebody needs to know, about the same chapter and the same verse. Now you know that the had come back from Babylon and build Jerusalem again unto the Messiah. And they was out here to make ____ under heaven. But they had come back and they had rebuilded Jerusalem unto the Messiah. Is that almost right? Now while He's setting up in that mountain, He said, Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit Palestine
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: They was already there in Palestine, He couldn't say that. How about that? Now the fulfillment. They can go on back over there, and fulfill it, but He didn't say anything about a ____. He said, 'Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the whole earth.' They was already in Palestine when He said it. How about that one? Listen to what I say, the meek, they was in heaven, they was already in the Holy Place, they was already in Jerusalem beneath, but the Jerusalem above, which is in the spirit. They shall inherit. One other thing I wanna mention. I think I just ought to by all means. Now listen, why should you be standing around talking about immortality. If you expect to walk around here throughout eternity in this thing you got on here, what would be the purpose or the reason for creating a new earth, and you've got an old body. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Don't make sense.
I would like to say this to you as... Now the Sadducees, they didn't believe in the spirit, and they didn't believe in the resurrection from the dead. I'm trying to show you the simplicity of it now. This is the real simple. Anybody, don't make no difference what the Psalm is, as David says in the 19th division of Psalms, the heavens declare the glory of El and the firmament showeth forth His handiwork. Now you listen. Now this is what I'm trying to get over to you. I'm trying to get you to see, laboring to get you to see that you didn't come to live in this earth plane, as with Jesus to abide here. And if you had come here to abide here, then there couldn't be no change of this mortal body, because it comes from the dust of the earth.
Now here you done got old, it did corrupt. You're walking around with ____ and arthritis and all that kinda stuff. And the apostle tells you in the 15th chapter of I Corinthians, 'thou sowest not that body that shall be.' Neither do you take some seed in your hand and plant it in the ground, and you just don't see that, which you planted it in the ground. Now what I'm showing is the stupidity of people standing up, looking at the sun rising and setting and then talking about they don't believe in the resurrection. Farmer planting seeds in the ground and they're coming up. The male planting seed in the spermatic fluids and his seed, it's Abraham's seed. All that fool, ignorant talk. Now what you're supposed to do is to look at the natural and then from that understand the spiritual. Now for example, let me say this to you. When they ate that feast of the passover. Now if you want to see a real good trick, as some have tried to do. They can say that this is wrong. See here you've got to keep the passover and then rise up from the table and wash the disciples feet, after His crucifixion. You got this in the wrong place, this ought to be over here somewhere before He died. 'I beg your pardon
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____ ____ ____ ____.' And if He had not resurrected from the dead, Him dying out there on the cross, if He hadn't resurrected from the dead, your faith is vain, it's just vain. Everybody.
Now here's what I'm saying: this son, (HITS CHART) that's the washing of regeneration. And he told it to Peter and them that you don't know what I do now but you shall know hereafter, and as often as you eat this bread and drink of this cup, you do show forth my death and suffering till I come. Now here's what I'm telling you. You got blood, you got water and you got the Holy Spirit here, you got the pouring out of the Holy Spirit. There on the 6th. It did not become effective until the 6th or the day of Pentecost. I wish I could say one more thing to you. Would you allow me to say one more thing? And I wanna say this. I went in to Dr. Mitchell's this morning before he goes back to New York, of course I think he already knows it, but it oughta be stressed. He's made more charts than anybody in the whole entire world. All of 'em put together. And he's drawn 'em up by this pattern. Now are you listening? Now look, maybe you better find it doc, faith comes by hearing. I wanna show you what I'm talking about. It didn't say faith comes by reading, did it?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: I just want to know the way it comes. I think Paul says that in the first letter to the Romans.
Student Body: Romans 10:17
Reader: So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Read on.
Reader: But I say have they not heard,
Dr. Kinley: No, I want it where, how can they hear without a preacher
Reader: For whosoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh shall be delivered. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
Dr. Kinley: Where are you reading?
Reader: Romans 10:13
Dr. Kinley: Okay, please read.
Reader: and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach except they be sent? As it is written, how beautiful are the feet of them that preach the glad tidings of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things.
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Dr. Kinley: Now do you know what they're problem is there? You haven't had no preacher. And another thing, He ____. Now you can argue and rave all you and all you want to rave about it. Now I'll show you what I'm talking about. Faith comes by hearing, not by reading. But if faith comes by hearing, and that's by the Word, now how are they going to hear without a preacher, and how is he going to preach except he be sent? Now I want to illustrate what I'm talking to you about. And what the apostle is talking to you about. And look, he had charts too. Did you all know that? Huh? Did you know? Anybody in the building that didn't know it, hold up your hand. Read to 'em. Over there, Paul told Timothy, we're gonna have it read for you. Anybody else. Don't be ashamed folks, we'll have it read, alright, read.
Reader: 2nd Timothy 4:13
Dr. Kinley: Well, when you find it, read it.
Reader: The cloak that I left at Troas with Carpus,
Dr. Kinley: Now the cloak which I left at Troas, I could have quoted it, which I left at Carpus. Alright.
Reader: when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, especially the parchments.
Dr. Kinley: Bring the charts, bring them with you. He drew the diagrams. He spake by the diagrams, by the repetitions, just like Dr. Mitchell's, as we have done in this school. I didn't make the charts on my own, I had specific orders for making them. Now look folks. This is how a preacher is gonna come. And faith, it will come by hearing, and that by the Word of Yahweh. Now here's, here's how it is. Now look, when we show you that Yahweh Elohim transformed or transfigured into this tabernacle, we showing it to you, we let you read it out of the Bible. Are you listening now? And he don't stop there, we going clear on down until we get Him back in there. We come all the way down through the dispensations and ages. Now look, now you listen, here you put this thing up here by the pattern, here's the altar and here's the blood, here's the water, and here's the spirit. The blood, the water, and spirit. The blood, the water, the spirit. 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3. You're one, two, three: soul, body, and spirit. You put the water, you put the blood on this line, he put the water on this line, and listen you do it all the way through. Now if we get away from that, then you'll have no faith. You'll have no confidence in Him. Somebody come along and said, 'how many stories in the ark? 'Well, I don't know, let me see.' 'Which chapter is that?'
Why? Because it's just that plain: 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. That's all you've got folks. Anytime you remove anything, you're wrong. That's all there is to that. You're wrong. You can ____ it down. Say, 'I swear that I've been, and I can assure you by the authority of Jesus Christ and by the Word of God and whatnot.' You can ____ ____ ____ you learn how to use that pattern, all the way from the Godhead (I'll just say it in those terms) that the Father, and the Word, and the Holy
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Spirit, they are one just like that one tabernacle, and this is the Godhead. I wanna know if there's anybody in the room that don't understand, hold up your hand. That's what it's, that's what it's called. That's where, that's, that's why Yahweh created the universe. And we have told you and told you over and over and over and over and over again. Every cosmic phase of nature is some or another expression of Him, of His existence. You don't have to worry around trying to prove His existence, He did that Himself. Why should He go ahead and have, have me down here, as ignorant as I am trying to prove His existence? I hope, I trust that you can see something, that you can understand what I'm talking about.
Now, you're not gonna have no faith until reverend gets told and puts the thing together like this. You're gonna have to hear it this way. You ain't gonna have no faith. You might have a concept. You know what you are? You want me to tell you what you are? You're a skeptic, and like some of the rest of you, you could be an agnostic. Do you know what an agnostic is? They do believe in the existence of God but ain't nobody to prove it. Nobody knows ____. He ain't depending on you to prove nothing. Did you follow what I'm talking about? Now that's the way this thing has got to be put together.
I, I think I'll say one more thing. The scientists cannot agree, that this sun's being put out there in the sky on the 4th day. They say, that vegetation'll capture light and warmth of the sun to grow. Therefore they disseminate, 'I believe how vegetation can't be on the 3rd day' and they think that the sun was first. I wholeheartedly agree with that, ain't making a mistake about that. Now how about that? But this is what they've done. They've got this Son tangled up here with that sun up there. And this Son back on in here was perfect. And He didn't show up down to Israel coming through the loins of a woman as the prophecy said He would be, until the 4000th year, or the fourth day. I don't see how vegetation can grow without Him, I don't see where there can be any vegetation with Him, I don't see where there can be any creation without Him. I don't see how you can exist without Him.
Now you can wake me up. I told you I was the champ of the idiots. I can't see it. Yes sir, the son was first, but they got it all twisted up. Now here's one you missed, take cosmic light, the lessor (lesser?) light, the sun in the sky went with 'em. It's hard for people to believe back here, to see beyond that day. Now isn't it wonderful? Children, did you all understand? It's worth your while to come down here. And a lot of people don't like it because they say you have to come to 10401, that's an insult. Well, I'll tell you what to do. You tell me somewhere where I can go and learn this. What I learned is something of fact. Now you tell me, that's all you have to do, just tell me, and I'll be on my way. And I'll advise all of you to come on and go with me. I know a better place than 1040. And I'll tell you where it is. It's up here in Heaven. That's where I got my education from. That's a better place than 1040. But what we got at 1040 come from up there. Now that's what we're trying to tell you. Isn't that right Bishop? I mean, it come
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from heaven, it's the Word of Elohim. And you're gonna have to hear it. Now let me ask you this. Say,'what is faith?' Some people, they don't even know, realize what faith is. What's the difference between faith and spirit. None. That's right. There ain't no difference. Now how in the world can you have confidence in something you don't know nothing about? You can't do that. That's another impossibility. Now when he resurrected from the dead and stood out there on the Mount of Olives... The Mount of Olives is elevated above Jerusalem. Did you know that? And He lifted up His hands towards Jerusalem, He blessed them. And Luke says there in the 1st chapter of Acts of the Apostles, ____ the day that He was taken up. But you have to have some faith and some confidence in the purpose.
Now in the 7th chapter of Acts, Stephen's preaching there, said, now this He that was in the tabernacle in the wilderness. That ought to tell you something. Wouldn't you think His ____ was back there unto Moses, He was in the tabernacle in the wilderness. Now Moses was the only man that saw that tabernacle up there, only man that saw it in a vision. Now when he came down he had some competition down there, Korah and everyone standing around arguing, they didn't see a thing, but they're master builders, make that ____ Moses. And Yahshua said to him, now you see to it that you make all things according to.., he wasn't up in the mountain now, but he's down here on the ground. Now when Moses is just about to make it, he said, see to it that you make all things according to the
pattern I showed you in the mountain. He's talking. Now look, let me show you Daryl. From all the stuff in there, there during them 40 days, and them people, can I go ahead and say this?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: In them 40 day that he was up there, they down there building that golden calf. When he come down here, now you see the man got shook up. He saw them worshipping the golden calf and he got shook up. And he throws the tables of stone down and brake them. He knew what Yahweh had said to them, and he knew that they had heard, he was shook up. Now here's what I'm trying to tell you. He didn't just jump right off right then and start to building the tabernacle. Had to send them through the camp and kill off about 3000 of them that day. The Levites went through there and killed them all. Now here's what I'm telling you. Then he has to go and hew him out some stones. Now he had a good break, to forget some things that he saw up there in the mountain about that tabernacle, he had a good break to forget some things that he saw up there. But all he had to do just get over there in the tent where Joshua was. How about that. One time they did ask him a question, said, if we did this, we touch a dead body out there in the wilderness, now does that make it that, that make us unfit to eat the passover, that's a memorial of it, Said, 'Moses, what do we do about it?' Said,'I don't know,' He said, 'I'll have to ask the Lord,' Went right on out there in the tent and asked Joshua and then he come back, said the answers ____ ____ ____ ____. How about that?
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See what we, what we got? Here's what we do. We separate ourselves from Yahweh. He's way up yonder in the sky and I'm way down here. We're cut off. We don't have no communication. Somebody says, 'well, that may be your case, but not mine.' Said, 'I pray to him and I fast.' I heard that story before too. You don't know how to pray as you oughta, but Yahweh makes intercession for us. Now the reason why you don't get that Cadillac and that penthouse, James says it's because you ask amiss. Now how are you asking amiss? Yahweh already knows that you got a belly down here and you need something to eat. He already knows that, He done found out about that. He knows what you have need of before you ask. So.., but now, the Holy Spirit in you maketh intercession for you (are you listening? That's the 8th chapter of Romans.) according to the Purpose. And you're out here talking a whole lot of tom foolery and asking God for this and that and the other, all these different kind of things. And if He gives you what you really needed.... (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
recorded by Edna Law
1 90 minute audio cassette
CATALOG #: 73AEG
transcribed by Sandy McCann
proofread by Susan Ameigh, Michael Rothstein, and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber
Dr. Kinley: ... these various religions like Roman Catholicism, Judaism and also Jehovah's witnesses and so forth and so on and what have you, just to be down right honest with you, the Pope of Rome himself, he don't know nothing about his religion to say nothing about the Cardinals and what not. Now if he knew he wouldn't be one, he wouldn't be that.
And there's another thing, I've, I've brought the books down here and opened 'em and read out of the books. That's what you have to do sometimes when you have a school. And 2,400 and some laws or rules and regulations. And anything that is set up by one Pope the next Pope come along after him, he don't have, according to their rules now, any right to tear it down.
Now here Pope John the 23rd reached clear on back into the 1st century and pulled out Anacletus or Clement and said they was one and the same. And, their own doctrine teaches that that's wrong; he shouldn't do that. Now they had a whole bunch, Philomena was another that Pope John pulled out of there. Millions of people had been baptized in that name, Philomena. Pope John said it was erroneous, there's no such thing, no such thing as Philomena. He throwed them out. Pope Pius come along and threw out about 40 of 'em. Now look, that's in
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the books, that's in the records. And look at all them millions of people been baptized and all that kinda stuff.
So now the time of it, ____ time for us to wake up, start to looking around. Find out what it's all about. Now Jackie Gleason (I was talking to Dr. Jackson), and Jackie Gleason said, I believe it was yesterday sometime; Jackie Gleason is a celebrity, a movie celebrity, and incidentally, a multimillionaire. And they was asking him about his religious faith and conviction, and he said he didn't belong to any church. Is that right Dr. Jackson?
Roger Jackson: Said he believed in God but...
Dr. Kinley: That's right that's the same thing he believed in. Now look here folks, I brought the records down here and read 'em out of the books. Reader's Digest, said there were 66 millions of people in the United States of America that believed in God but they didn't believe in joining up with no religious church. Out of 200 million, now that's 66 million that didn't belong to no church at all. For one reason or another. Now it's time to do some waking up. Now for example, suppose we just say this. Freddie, get the staff, cause that's what we going to have to do, we gonna have to get into some things here.
Now you hear a lot about baptism, water baptism or in the Baptist church, Church of Christ baptize people in physical water, and Rome, they practice baptizing infants so they call it. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's wrong. Don't know what it's all about. This is a mystery. Yahweh is a mystery to begin with. That's what Jackie Gleason said. He was right about it. And we've tried to tell you this, we've tried to tell you that there was two basic and fundamental mysteries. Now there are more than two, but, I'm just trying to show you the basics and fundamental, the mystery of Iniquity and the mystery of Yahweh.
Now you have to get in here and try to find out something about it. Now, I don't know for the most part Billy, emcee, he gets up here and he tells you, he recites all the aims and objectives of this school. And what did he say the names was?
Student Body: Yahweh, Elohim and Yahshua
Dr. Kinley: and Yahshua. Yahweh, Elohim, and Yahshua., Now Elohim is not a name, it's a title. Now what the majority of us have believed all of our lives, and been taught that Lord and God and Jesus Christ. Now that what's in your King James version of the Bible. Now if you had a good teacher's Bible, a Scofield Bible and look in the footnotes as we try to tell you to do and try to teach you to do, and go into the encyclopedias and what not, you would find out that they admit that the name is Yahweh and the title is Elohim and Yahshua.
Here's a man setting right there, Dr. Williams, baptizing in the names. Now
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somebody wants to come rushing in here, and they wanna dogmatically and insist and contend that that school down there is wrong. They don't stop to think that it could be them. And to put it this way. Lord is a title not a name. God is a title not a name. Is that clean? It's inaccurate. Now let me show you what I mean. Stand up Freddie. Isn't you name Allen?
Freddie: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Ain't no sense in me asking what your father's name is. Set down. Well now look here, the Lord, God, and Jesus Christ, that can't be, that's impossible. Now, you'll find that in John, that He said that He come in his Father's name. Is that right? Now if he gonna come in His Father's name. Then if you got Lord God, then it oughta been Lord. And almost everything that you hear all the time, do you believe in God? Very few people say anything much about the Lord. Roman Catholics say, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, now you see that's all messed up.
Well it's our indispensable duty to bring these things to your attention. Now that's what I came in the world for. I know folks don't like it. Now to get after this. I had him to go get that staff. And they tell you all the time, they're talking about this 'J' in Joshua and Jesus. There is no such letter in the Hebrew alphabet. And I'm trying to tell you there wasn't any in the English nor no other alphabet until around the 16th or 17th century. So if they ain't be, ain't no way in the world for it to be Jesus.Ain't no way in the world for it to be Jehovah.
Now Jehovah Witnesses is running around telling the people saying this, that Jehovah is the English translation of Yahweh. Why don't you get a book or something and then look at it. That's not so. And for the most part most people don't, they don't even know where the 'J' comes from to start out with. They don't know the origin of it, they don't know where it come from. That's what we wanna talk about tonight. We wanna talk about the mystery of Iniquity and the mystery of Yahweh. And we're gonna have to do this. We're gonna have to go into numbers.
Now don't you have in your book, in your Bible, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers? Do you have it in your book? Now in numbers you would say 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Is that almost right? Now those are numbers not alphabet.
Now this is a shepherd's...
Man: Staff.
Dr. Kinley: What?
Student Body: Staff. A rod.
Dr. Kinley: Now somebody said a rod and I heard another one say a staff.
Student Body: Staff, staff, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) staff.
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Dr. Kinley: Now what is it?
Student Body: Staff. Rod
Dr. Kinley: It's a rod and a staff. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now I wanna show you what we're getting at here. It's important. To use this thing to hold it this way , you would retrieve a sheep. You say that's right? And it being up this way, what's that?
Student Body: A nine
Dr. Kinley: That's a 9. It has the crook on it, we've got it over here. That's a nine. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Don't you have 9 in numbers? Now watch now. You keep your eye on me. Now I'm gonna turn it up this way. Now what's that?
Student Body: Six
Dr. Kinley: Turn it around this way
Student Body: 'J'
Dr. Kinley: Now you got a 'J'. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Now I want you to look at two verses in the Book and you will find that with Moses out there at the burning bush, Yahweh asked him what was that thing that he had in his hand. And you know Moses was a shepherd. Is that almost right?
Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: Took care of his father-in-law's... Reuel, not Jethro's flock of sheep. Now if you get that, Rule - el.
Student Body: Yeh, Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Oh, my. Now are you listening now? You're sure you're listening?
Student Body: Yes
Dr. Kinley: Are you really sure you're listening?
Student Body: Yes
Dr. Kinley: I may tell you something possibly you never heard before. Now in the Garden of Eden, there was a tree of knowledge of good and evil. And Adam was told and Eve, not to touch it. Not to eat the fruit or to touch it. Now you may eat of all the trees of the garden but the tree which is in the midst of the garden you
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shall not eat of it and neither shall you touch it. And I want you to know this, if He's telling them there that ____ Adam wasn't created in the garden. He was created outside the garden and Yahweh planted the garden and put him in it. And the woman was taken out of him in the garden. And in that garden there was some trees. Trees he could eat of and trees he couldn't. Tree of knowledge of good and evil. Now here's what I'm pointing now. Now those trees were in fruition, they bore fruit. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And, when those trees were bearing fruit with it's limbs full of fruit, it had a bough in it. You follow?
Student Body: Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: Now, Eve, if it hadn't have been heavy in fruition, she couldn't have touched it, that is the fruit.
Student Body: Oh, I see.
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua the Messiah says in the 15th chapter of John, I am the true vine, you are the branches. Every branch that's gonna bring forth fruit in me... Now He said the father took it away. Are you all with me now?
Student Body: Yes, yes.
Dr. Kinley: Thus far? Well, they touched that fruit in the, in the, in the garden. And it was in fruition. Now that bough, now what was Adam supposed to be in.., what'd He put him in there for?
Student Body: To keep it dressed.
Dr. Kinley: To keep it dressed. And he had the permission to eat of it, of all the trees, with the exception of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Now, he was put in there to dress it. Now, if it's in fruition, you don't dress a tree then. It didn't have them big leaves on it, but it was in fruition. Now we're into at something here. And, Eve with that tree being bowed down heavy with fruition. And I wanna let you know too, that was not an apple tree, that was an olive tree. Now if you just stop, you could kinda halfway see through some things. You have a liver, an olive, o live. So don't touch the tree if you wanna live, cause the day you touch it you shall surely die, you won't live. How about that?
Student Body: Alright
Dr. Kinley: Am I getting anywhere? Now what we're after is this 'J'. Now, there was an 'I' in that.., is that right, David?
David Rosen: 'I' in what?
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Dr. Kinley: Hebrew alphabet. Now, he's a, he's a Hebrew. Well, we've got a lotta 'em around here. We've got the alphabet right in the book. We don't have to go into no long drawn out debate and argument about that. Now, we got that about the garden of Eden being in fruition, you understand that don't you?
Now I want you to get here at the burning bush, and read about that. When Yahweh asked Moses what he had in his hand. In Exodus.
Reader: and Moses asked them and said
Dr. Kinley: Where are you reading Doc?
Reader: 4th chapter of Exodus
Dr. Kinley: what verse?
Reader: We'll start at the 2nd verse.
Dr. Kinley: Alright.
Reader: Yahweh said unto him, what is that in thine hand? And he said, 'a rod'.
Dr. Kinley: Now he didn't say a staff, he said a rod. Now Moses was a shepherd and he had a rod in his hand. Now this part of this is a rod, and this part of it is a staff. Now you got your 'J'. Now you watch now. Keep your eyes open. Keep your eyes open, because you can't get this everywhere. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now after he touched the fruit of that tree he was driven out of the garden of Eden. I specifically said he was driven, I did not say that Eve or she was. She wasn't driven out. Now let me show you why, why I'm saying this, this way, and why I'm so particular about what I say in every respect. Now Yahweh created the man outside of the garden and then put him in the garden. And the woman was incarnated in the man when he was put in the garden and he caused a deep sleep to fall on him in the garden and took the woman out of him in the garden. So, she was in the man when he, when he went in the garden. I'm, I'm trying to show you now, and so Yahweh don't need to drive her out, all He has to do is just drive the man out and the woman went on out with him, just like she come in with him. Now how about that? They didn't have any children up there in that garden either. And the first born son was named what?
Student Body: Cain
Dr. Kinley: (DR. KINLEY SLAMS THE ROD AND THE STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And he was a tiller of the soil. And then what was the other one's name?
Student body: Abel
Dr. Kinley: Abel. What was he?
Student Body: A shepherd.
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Dr. Kinley: See how I come right back into that shepherd business? Now Cain slew Abel. Did you get that? Did you catch onto what I meant when I said that?
Student Body: I hope so.
Dr. Kinley: It was Cain that went over and took Abel's rod or his staff and slew him with it. Now hold still now, hold still. Are you still now? You thinking? You got your cap on?
Now, Yahweh put a mark on him. Now here's the mark. When he slew him with that cane, he got that mark six on him there. And Cain, he complained about it, he said everyone that could see him would wanna kill him. And he said his grief was greater than he could bear, but Yahweh put that mark on him, 6, now there's 6 back here and he come on over in the antediluvian, 6 again, come over in the present age and he's 6 again. Now read Revelation 13:16 and on down to the 18th verse and I'll show you what I'm talking about.
Reader: And He causeth all both small and great, rich and poor,
Dr. Kinley: Now he's talking about the, the what?
Student Body: Satanic Spirit
Dr. Kinley: Talking about the satanic spirit or Satan being cast out, come down to 12th and on down into the 13th, and he's talking about Satan being cast out of heaven, right on down here in the garden deceiving Eve. Are you listening? Are you listening: This thing, this thing begin up in heaven. Then Michael, which was an arch angel, and his host, fought with the dragon or the devil. Now somebody said Lucifer. Now Lucifer, the King of Tyrus, and he was told, the prophet was told to take up a lamentation on him and then the prophet did it he said it that Lucifer walked back there in the garden. Now you know the King of Tyre didn't walk back there in the garden; in other words it's a parabolical or allegorical expression or figurative expression of this. Now look, in this word here: Lord, let's put it down here like this. Now then if you just take this, then draw a line in here then you've got the OR then you got the D.1 Do you see what I did? Take the word Lord and just draw a line between the L and the D then you've got Lucifer or Devil. Move on now, read Dr. Harris.
Reader: And He causeth all both small and great...
Dr. Kinley: And He causeth all both small and great.
Reader: rich and poor
Dr. Kinley: rich and poor
Reader: free and bond
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1 L or D
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Dr. Kinley: free and bond
Reader: to receive a mark in their right hand
Dr. Kinley: to receive a mark in their right hand
Reader: or in their forehead
Dr. Kinley: or in their forehead. Dr. Harris in your hand and in your forehead. You see the point? Now look, in the hand or in the forehead, small and great, rich and poor, bond and free to receive a mark. What kind of a mark? I just got through telling you about Cain when he slew Abel left that mark on him. It backfired. And we showed you rod then we showed you cane, then we showed you staff, then we showed you a bough, then we showed you a vine and the branches. Now what I'm after is how this, there's no 'J' in the Hebrew language but there is a 6 in the alphabet, I mean in the numbers. How many of them come up out of Egypt Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: 603,550
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute, hold everything. How many did you say?
Dr. Harris: Six hundred and three thou...
Dr. Kinley: Six hundred...
Dr. Harris: three thousand...
Dr. Kinley: three thousand
Dr. Harris: five hundred and fifty.
Dr. Kinley: five hundred and fifty, not counting the women and children. Six hundred and three thousand, five hundred and fifty. 6 and 3 is 9. 5 is abstract or half of 10. 50. Now watch what I am gonna do now. Somebody, Freddie come on up here. Dr. Harris ____ ____, I'm trying to teach now. Now if you all don't want me to teach like this, I'll go sit down.
Student Body: No sir (LAUGHTER)
Dr. Kinley: Then somebody get up here and preach. Now if you rub that out and rub this out and you got ____. Now you got the 6, 3. 6, 3, 9.2 Then you got 5 that's a half of 10. 5 is abstract and 10 is concrete, is that almost right? Come on now mathematicians, ain't that right?
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: If it ain't right you get me straight. Now Freddie write the 1 right straight on down on the board. Now what's that you say? What's this?
Fred Allen Jr.: That's 10 zero
Dr. Kinley: That's that aught. Now you got 9 here, is that right?
Fred Allen Jr.: Right
Dr. Kinley: Now is there a 6 in it?
Fred Allen Jr.: Yes
Dr. Kinley: Ain't 6 a number?
Fred Allen Jr.: Yes
(END OF THE ORIGINAL 60 MINUTE AUDIO CASSETTE TAPE)
Dr. Kinley: ...or the name of the idol of the beast
Reader: or the number of his name
Dr. Kinley: or the number of his name, or the number of his name. The beast. A man without a profound knowledge of Yahweh and His eternal purpose is just like a natural brute beast.
Student Body: That's a fact.
Dr. Kinley: Now if you don't believe that, I will read it to you over there in James and Peter up in ____. Is that right Bishop?
Bishop Short: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: He said that's right. Read on, now you keep your eyes open.
Reader: Here is wisdom...
Dr. Kinley: Now here, now if you're so smart and you know so much, we're talking about divine wisdom not earthly wisdom. Now, if you're so smart, now here is divine wisdom. Alright, read.
Reader: Let him that hath understanding
Dr. Kinley: Now let him that does have understanding do what?
Reader: Count the number of the idol of the beast.
Dr. Kinley: Count the number of the beast, or the idol of the beast. Count the
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number. Well, what is his number?
Reader: For it is the number of a man.
Dr. Kinley: Now, it is a number of A man. We don't want but one man in this thing. There ain't but one Devil. Some people think there's a whole lot of them. Nooooo, beg your pardon, they're demons. The one devil. Now what we're talking about now is this, this number of this man that Yahweh put on him. And I told you about Cain and showed you. Now here is wisdom, let him that has understanding count the number of the beast. For it is the number of A man and his number is 600, you better, maybe you better read that.
Reader: and his number is six hundred, three score and six
Dr. Kinley: Right. You follow it now? Now here is the high priest that officiated in the tabernacle. I don't know whether ____ see here? Here's the high Priest that officiated in the tabernacle. Now, this is David. Now, he's an arch angel, that come in through that veil or come into this building and talking to Zechariah, and telling him about the birth of his son John, which in Hebrew is Yahcan. How about that? And John.., or Zechariah, he just couldn't buy that and so he was smitten dumb. And he went on out of there and he had nothing to say at all until he was born. His son by Elizabeth, thereafter he says what is his name? That's the first thing he said. That's the first time he spoke, he said John or Yahcan. What'd you say that for? Because 'Yah can' means this, that John was born with the Holy Spirit in him and a specific purpose and reason for him being born that way was, he was entered in the world to identify Yahshua the Messiah, just like Moses did.
Now he got 666. Now I wanna go back for this reason. Now I wanna go right back here. Now the high priest that officiated in this tabernacle, he wore a bonnet and it had strings on it and it tied in the back, went around and tied in the back. Is that right David?
David Rosen: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now what did the bonnet have on it?
Student Body: Holiness unto Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Holiness unto Yahweh. That's what Aaron had on his bonnet, 'Holiness unto Yahweh.' Now, you notice this is up in the head where Cain struck him. Now, here comes the papacy and they got on a big three triple crown. What's wrote in that Freddie?
Fred Allen Jr.: Vicarious Filii Dei
Dr. Kinley: Translate
Fred Allen Jr.: Vicar of the son of God.
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Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now if you put those...write it down Freddie. Now here it is right on the chart here. Right here. Now, what I have to do, I can't put this on him, I've got to get this.., back there with Pharaoh too, cause Pharaoh's playing the same role. Now, how you gonna get it on Pharaoh? You see the point? He was King, is that right? Now Dr. Williams one time turned to me and said, 'before the ...and you see I really ____ it tangled up, they don't know if it's the 17th, 18th, or 19th dynasty when the children of Israel come out of Egypt.' I said, 'can you count?' He said 'yeah.' I said, 'how much is 3 x 6?' (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) And he ain't been back no more after the ____. Now we would say that THAT would be Chaldean or Aramaic. Now, getting it straight, don't go putting up your hand and don't say nothing when I'm saying something, if that ain't right or it's a error.
Student Body: That's right Doc.
Dr. Kinley: Just like we got over there now in Egypt and in Jordan and in Bolivia and Syria. They're having problems there right now tonight. And they don't know what it's all about and it's right up and down this stretch. They don't, they don't know a thing about it. Now if that be the case. Now Freddie said, Vicarious Filii Dei, translated that letter, translated it means what.
Fred Allen Jr.: Vicar of the Son of God.
Dr. Kinley: Now tell me what the 'V' stands for.
Fred Allen Jr.: 5
Dr. Kinley: Now, we are in numbers now.
Fred Allen Jr.: We're in the Roman numbers.
Dr. Kinley: Now add it up.
Fred Allen Jr.: V equals 5; I equals 1; C equals 100; A has no value; R has no value; I equals 1; U is interchangeable equals V, V equals 5; S has no value; F has no value; I equals 1; L equals 50; I, I, 1, 1; D is 500; E has no value; and one I again equals 1.
5 and I is 6 and I is 7 and 5 is 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. 6 carry the 1 and 5 is 6. And 1 and 5 is 6. Six hundred sixty six.3
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3 5 1
1 1
100 500
1 1
5 666
1
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Dr. Kinley: Now the Pope had it in them 3 rings in his crown, Vicarious in the first. filii in the second and in the third is Dei. Is that almost right? Now, you may not know this. What was the ancient name of Rome?
Student Body: Saturnia
Dr. Kinley: Now a lot of people didn't even know that. What is the derivative the name Saturnia?
Student Body: Saturn
Dr. Kinley: Saturn. What is Saturn?
Student Body: A planet.
Dr. Kinley: Saturn is a planet
Student Body: 6th planet from the sun
Dr. Kinley: Saturn. Now listen, it is surrounded, Saturn, the planet Saturn, I mean as of now, is surrounded with 3 rings. Now this is what we're doing. We're putting them things up there in the sky. Now that's a sun, equivalent to the Son of Yahweh. Saturn and Jupiter and Mars and Venus and those stars up there that show you an innumerable company of angels that was on the veil. That's the only planet up there now that is surrounded by them 3 rings and it is a beautiful planet. That's the ancient name of Rome, Saturn, Saturnia.
Now can you kinda catch on to a little something about Satan and Saturnia? Take it on down in the Chaldean and then multiply it like that and see if you don't get a 666. Now has anybody got a book here? Now we put these things in the book, so that you could see it. Now don't forget now we got 6 here, don't forget now. Look. The earthly man was created on the 6th day, not the 7th. He's earthly. Now its got to be a change made in that man from an earthly to a spiritually embodiment. I mean everybody. Not only that, but the heavens and the earth have got to be changed and rolled together.
Now did you know that? Yahshua said in the 24th chapter of Matthew, said, heavens and earth shall pass away and Isaiah certainly did speak up and said it'd be rolled together as a scroll. And Peter in the 3rd chapter said that it'd be burned up, consummated. Is that what it says?
Student Body: with fervent heat.
Dr. Kinley: That's right, with fervent heat. What's that all about? It's got to go back to the source from whence it came, in other words, matter come from Spirit. How about that? And it come on down in a metamorphosis or transmutation.
Have you got it? Now that's S-A-T-U-R-N. Now it's a ____. You got some words...you got some letters here that have no numerical letter equivalent and I
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think it's S T U R, stu, those are the ones that have the numerical value equivalent. Now that's added on back into Pharaoh in the 18th dynasty. That's added on back into the garden, those plates right there. That puts the mark on him, and it comes on down and puts it on Cain, and it comes on down and here you got the papacy sitting up over there ...
Student Body: Triple crown
Dr. Kinley: Triple crown. And you got the star or that planet Saturn. Now that's, a lotta people, they didn't know why they had that book up there like that. They can stand there and look at it all day long. Now see that's the moon and this is the sun and these are the stars over here. What's this? Now do you see what I have tried to do? I've tried to show you where, when Moses there had a rod, that's what he took. Now look folks, now you listen. Pay attention now. Now, that was Aaron's rod that budded. Are you listening Bill?
Bill: Oh Yeah.
Dr. Kinley: Bill says he's listening. Now when he goes to listening everybody else supposed to listen. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now listen, when Moses smote the rock, ____ when he was told to speak to it. Then Joshua who was really Yahoshua, who was Yahweh
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Dr. Kinley: incarnated in a physical body, told him to get on up in the mount and die. But, before he goes up and dies, he was talking about this too. For how long a period was the 5 books in, being written?
Student Body: 40 Years.
Dr. Kinley: 40 years. Now, what was his last thing before he went up there in the mountain?
Student Body: Wrote the song of Moses
Dr. Kinley: Wrote the Song of Moses or the song of victory when Moses rose up, went through the Red Sea, Moses rose up or raised up that rod over the Red Sea. It opened up. So they went on through there. That same one he had in his hand. And the sea opened up and they went through on dry ground. Didn't none of them get wet. And neither did these back there in the ark, that was in the ark, they never got wet, Noahic flood. Now, now I wanna tell you this, none of the Gentiles, they never got wet at John's baptism: wasn't baptizing anybody but Jews. Why? Because there wasn't nobody but the Jews that went through here. And what He's doing is fulfilling. Now reverend, when he reads over there in Matthew 3:14 and around, he says that he's reading in the New Testament. He don't realize he's not reading in the New Testament. New testament's not written with pen and ink. And they don't even know what He's doing.
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Ambassador College says and we've got the book 'Plain Truth,' 'Plain Truth' and it's wrote up there, 'Plain Truth' this month too, that the reason why Messiah went up into the mount was to get away from the crowd. Now, if you don't think that's in that book I'll bring it down here.
But what He was doing was fulfilling. So if Moses was called up in the mountain there, then in order to fulfill it He's got to take them up in the mountain and transfigure there just like He did here. And seeing the multitude for, was five hundred, 6 hundred thousand some and He's got to do that. He's fulfilling. They don't even know what He's doing. He said He come to fulfill. Now the things so far as they was concerned was instituted back here. In reality it was instituted in heaven: the purpose of Yahweh, He declared the end from the beginning. Now that's what I'm talking about. Jehovah's Witnesses say they didn't know, the people on earth, they didn't know that Adam was gonna sin, God didn't know that Adam was gonna sin in the garden. Then how could you tell what He was going to do all the way down through the ages?
People just say any and everything and getting all hot with you cause you don't wanna accept their stupidity. They want you to shut up and listen at them. Now, Baptist, he wants you to consent to water baptism. Ain't nothing like that in your book. I mean that come from direct from Yahweh. 'But, don't tell me, Acts 2:38, Peter said on the day of Pentecost repent everyone of you and be baptized in the name Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Now what do you think of that, Amen.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Say that as though I didn't know that was in the Bible. Never said nothing about no water there. Matthew 28:19 says, 'go and baptize 'em in the name of the Father. They don't even know the name of the Father. They didn't know it was Yahweh. Says, 'where'd you folks get all them old funny names?' Say, 'but these say baptize 'em in the name of the Father,' they don't even know that.
Now, you know what they think the name of the Father is? God. And say look folks, I don't want you to miss out on this one. I baptized a whole lotta folks. I mean down in the water when I was in the Church of God and started that service and divine healing. I baptized a lotta folks. Yes sir there wasn't ____ ____ out baptize me. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And we had a pool behind the pulpit. Some say, 'I don't wanna be baptized that way.' Say, 'I wanna go down to running water.' And I took them down to a stream there called Mad River. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. So I took 'em on down there and I had to have somebody to help me. 'Now listen now in obedience to the command of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I baptize this our beloved brother, Robert Harris, in the name of the Father, God, and in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ, and in the name of the Holy Ghost.' Didn't know what that was. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Next!
Now, don't you tell me I don't know what it's all about. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Then they went down arguing about Peter down at Cornelius's house. They didn't know what he was doing. I said so. He wasn't by himself either. All the rest of them up there in Judea, the apostles and them, they didn't know either. And, when they got back up there, that's Acts of Apostles, they went and jumped
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on him for going in to the uncircumcision. They didn't jump on him about the water baptism. They jumped on him about going in to the uncircumcised. Isn't that right?
Now these ones there, they're not arguing about circumcision, they're arguing about water baptism. They oughta be arguing about circumcision first. You circumcise 8 days after a birth. That is before you got baptized. And as Dr. Harris said there Sunday, when a child is born there's got to be some water there somewhere and there's got to be some blood there. And now there ain't no need of you going and getting in some water and trying to wash that clay off of him. You have to get some oil. Before the High Priest could go in here, he had to be anointed with oil and he had to be washed in the laver, the water ____.
When a woman has a child, the water is in the blood. Then you got to take something to get it off, then spank him. He takes in a deep breath: 'W A A A'. Everything. Yahweh made it that way so that you could see, but when you run into these mysteries you don't recognize them you don't realize 'em. Now do you see how that 666 got in there?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Let me say this to you. Now, that's all that, I think I should say it this way. I've said it so many times. It's in everybody's Bible. Says it's in the 1st covenant. Now Bishop, you know, you've been out there in Babylon.
Bishop: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Dr. Gross, you been out in Babylon. We're old people. He ain't been out in Babylon so ____ ____ ____. Now here's what they're doing out there in the Methodist and the Baptist and the Presbyterian and the Roman Catholics, and the Jehovah Witnesses and what not. They are saying that Yahshua the Messiah don't know what He's talking about. And then what they are doing, now you listen closely at what I'm talking about. This first covenant was given to the Jews, keeping the Sabbath and offering up of the sacrifices and so forth and so on. I wanna know if that's right. Not to the Gentiles. Water baptism right here. Washing of regeneration right up here. I wanna know whether that's right or not.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, Yahweh said, 'I ain't gonna make no other covenant with them like that'. I'm talking about the 2nd covenant. I'm talking about what's in your Book, Roger. Now, He couldn't make the New Covenant with him until He removed the old one. So, that's why Yahshua comes along fulfilling that which was instituted and then moved it out of the way. Now, I'm not talking about Gentiles now. So don't get me in that way. Yahweh said gonna make both covenants, the new one and the old, with that, with the Jews or with the Israelites.
Now, here's where you come in back here, the Abrahamic promise. He promised it in Abraham's seed He would bless all of the peoples upon the earth, all the
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families on the earth. Now there's where you're involved. And Abraham accepted that by faith, in other words, he believed Yahweh.
Yahweh told him that he would have a son. And He's well stricken in years. Abraham went in and told Sara (Sarah?) about it, and she laughed. Just like when we try to tell you all about something and you set up there and laugh about it. What I mean is try to tell you something that you been told all your life and you think we're wrong then you set up and laugh about it.
But Abraham believed and Sara (Sarah?) , she sent him off out there to Hagar. You go on out there to her. She's passing it off. Now Hagar was a bondwoman. So, he had a child Ishmael by Hagar. Now that was his 1st Covenant. And listen, Abraham was as much his father by Hagar as he was Isaac's father by his wife. Yahweh working them Gentiles in.
Then now he goes to Sara. Now Sara (Sarah?) is barren from birth. And Yahweh did it and so also was Abraham's seed. At an old age and he received favor. Sara ____ be. She had, gave birth to Isaac. Now there is 2 sons. And by the way, a little further down the road, Sara (Sarah?) dies and Abraham marries Keturah, and Keturah has 6 sons by Abraham and the baby was named... Who?
Student Body: Shua.
Dr. Kinley: Shua. And there was 8 of 'em altogether. now how 'bout that?
Student Body: Alright
Dr. Kinley: Now when they crossed over here and they drove out them nations. How many were left in there?
Student Body: 8
Dr. Kinley: You see that now? When Noah came in over in the ark, how many in there?
Student Body: 8
Dr. Kinley: Look folks, this thing is plain as the nose on your face. But now here's what you have to do. If we would take this and cut this up into a jigsaw puzzle, and you'd go to try to, or any of these pictures, and you go to try to, this looks like it might fit up there and you go to try to press it in up there, then you, then you got a match. It just won't fit. When you get the picture all put back together right, instead of agreeing as it is here as it is on the face of the box, you've got a misfit.
That's the way it is with the purpose. You're gonna have to go by the pattern or else you're gonna have a misfit. You're going to have to know what the purpose is. Now listen, there's never been no body...
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Mt. Carmel, California
recorded by Eugene Hodoh
1 90 minute audio cassette
CATALOG #: 73 MC
transcribed by Cathy Fenti
proofread by Michael Rothstein and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
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Dr. Kinley: ... that somebody, when you look at all of that what you call the New Testament, when you find out that this was done because of a fulfillment of scriptures that the scriptures might be fulfilled; and what Yahshua said I about it, fulfilling and all that kinda thing. And then on top of all of that, everybody comes out and says that He was instituting, supposed to have a good, real good education too, and went to school, ____, theological school, and I'm not talking about you doc, I'm just talking, the whole thing as a whole. But it looks, just, just, just looks bad. You know that! That's really bad. And I would say this: that if a doctor went to school, I mean a medical doctor went to school, and he was, he was taught such things as backwards as the theologians are taught, I'll tell you, you would, Hobbs1, business would be good. You can see, because they've ____ so many, be a lotta dead people because he'd be giving him something that he ought not to give him, so that it would, it'd kill him rather than to cure him. Say,
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1 Elba Hobbs was a mortician.
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'This school is funny.' Don't, don't don't seem funny now since you came and learned the differences already. It really don't. It don't look right, the Catholics quote the Bible and what they call the New Testament and read as much of it as you can find in there, in His biography or the autobiography and Pauline epistles and the Acts of Apostles and on over to Revelations, about how things were done to fulfill the scriptures, then he turned around and say to you that He's instituting. Now that's, now that's just awful bad. Wouldn't you, wouldn't you say so? As much as it's... Say you'd be surprised, we don't use half, near, no ways near half of what's in there about the fulfillment. We don't, we don't use half that there is to, only half. But it just, it just seems like there's somebody somewhere at one of these educational institutions or theological seminary oughta wake up to it sometime. And then.., it's a mystery how people can say, preach and teach that's the way they think it is and all like that, and get by with just simply refusing it in an open Bible. Wouldn't you, wouldn't, wouldn't you all say so? And it is a strange, it's just a mysterious thing. Nobody knows nothing about what Yahshua was up.., now that's bad too. Not to know the names and then, and then misrepresent what He's doing. Then you want to talk about somebody being an idolater, ____ and all that kinda stuff. That's bad. Many millions of people that Rome has killed. And when you, when you confront 'em with it. They say that.., they say, they, they say they are his priests. They contend for institution of the Lord's Supper, the mass and all that kinda stuff, and they can't prove none of it, there's nowhere about it in the Bible. That's a mighty strange thing. And that oughta let you know that there's, there's something's cast out of heaven, (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) and don't know. And everybody following the devil because you just can't, just can't find Yahweh. And you don't act right because you're full of the devil. You got one of his imps in you. Then when you do act right, you wanna say that's wrong. I'll tell you, it's actually something funny. And I just, I just heard 'em.., Dr. Williams, or Dr. Harris or Roland or somebody, and I listened... In the end, that if anybody could come up with anything any better than what we have been taught and talk about down here, well, I'd like to hear that. Wouldn't you? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) At least we do state what the Bible does say. And their idea of ful.., 'Well we know that Jesus fulfilled the passover, but He instituted the Lord's Supper.' How He fulfilled baptism here with the jews, but He instituted Christian baptism and what kind of foot washings was here; that's supposed to be the washing of regeneration. Well yes. He fulfilled footwashing and He instituted the washing of regeneration when He's washing feet. Now it's bad, because.., and we're living right down here in the end of the age, where the people out here.., conditions in the world that are really bad.
Roger, when we was over at, about an hour, or an hour and a half up the coast ____ ____ . We call ourselves going up there fishing, and see polluted water and up there, and the water was just as dirty as it could be. There wasn't nobody ____ with it either. It ____ ____ ____.
Ronald Griggs: Doc, did the, did the Messiah have any physical ailments?
Person: Did He have any physical ailments?
Dr. Kinley: Yes, He did.
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Ronald Griggs: I'm not talking psychological. I know spiritually...
Dr. Kinley: No. He had physical impairments. He had trials just like we do. Yes. If He had not, had done that.., now this is the reason behind it. This is it: if He, if He hadn't have suffered as we do, then you could say, 'Well, He could undergo those things because He was different than what we were.'
Person: Is that in the Book anywhere?
Dr. Kinley: Yes, it's in the book. If it wasn't in there, I wouldn't never say so. Yahshua ____ and everything else, just like we do, and He suffered. I don't have a concordance here, but if I had a concordance, I can find it, you can read it. But that was not a body full of sin or a sinful body. Where'd we stop.
Eugene Hodoh: 53rd chapter of Isaiah
Dr. Kinley: Huh?
Eugene Hodoh: 53rd chapter of Isaiah
Dr. Kinley: That's it, read.
Eugene Hodoh: Who has believed our report and to whom is the arm of Yahweh revealed, for He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant and as a root out of a dry ground. He hath no form or comeliness and when we shall see Him there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected of men, a man of sorrow and acquainted with grief and we hid as it were our faces from Him. He was despised and we esteemed Him not.
Ronald Griggs: Okay now, does that mean then, does that mean though that He had any, is that actually saying that He had any physical infirmities, because you also can go over there and and it talks about how Israel was ____.
Dr. Kinley: Let me give it to you this way, Ronnie, real quick. You remember when John the Baptist was in prison and he said, John the Baptist sent his disciples down there and they asked him: was he the Messiah or should they look for another? And he told them to go back and tell him of that what all was going on. Now, what I'm getting after is this: says when I was sick and in his prison, you visited me not, but you visited me. Yes, He had... And when He was going through Samaria there and set on the well, He was tired and worn out. And they had gone to town to buy victuals and food and all. Now if He is tired and worn out and, and had infirmities and inflictions and all that kinda thing, just as we do. Now if it hadn't have been, there wouldn't have been anything for Him to boast about, well there wouldn't have been any, wouldn't have been any advantage in it, in, in, in coming, because we could have said, 'Well, He's just from different offspring.' Yes, He suffered, when they drove the nails all in His hands. And He said, 'Before I suffer.' And He told them certain things before He suffered. Yes, He was afflicted, infirmities. Indeed. If it had not been for that, let me clinch it by saying this, if it had not been for that, they couldn't have put Him to death; in other words,
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I mean that He couldn't.., they, they couldn't nail Him to the cross and then, then He'd die, if He hadn't been subject to death as Yahshua. Now that's what I'm talking about. Course I understand what you mean by what you've heard, fully understand it.
Ronald Griggs: Well, I know that He had to suffer the cross, the crucifixion itself, the agony and the short 33 years.
Dr. Kinley: See that was a sacrificial body, it was not a sinful body. I don't want you to think I'm saying that it was a sinful body because it was not. But so far as flesh and blood is concerned, He was flesh and blood just like we are.
Dr. Harris: John said in 1:14 that the Word was made flesh (THERE ARE SEVERAL INAUDIBLE SENTENCES HERE)
Dr. Kinley: Yeah, I understand what he's talking about. If He hadn't suffered adversities and all like we do, why then He would have had the advantage over us. And we are the weaker and consequently subject to sin and misconduct and like that. What it really does, it shows the power of the Holy Spirit. Now the body itself, the physical body, has to undergo a change, it doesn't make a difference who's body it is, has to undergo a change. And that's the same thing that happened to Him. Now if He was already that way, then He couldn't have underwent no change. It is just a manifestation of the power of Yahweh to make something like that. And even John the Baptist, he was full of the Holy Spirit right from his mother's womb but he went through life until he got down there in the prison, then he said, 'Art thou the Messiah?' after saying 'Behold the Lamb of Yahweh which takes away the sins of the world.' And he saw the Spirit descend on Him and a lotta people think that's when Jesus got the Holy Ghost there, but that isn't so. He was the personification of it. And then I'll just put it like this. The majority of the churches preach it just like the Roman Catholic Church does, meaning this: they have God the Father over here, and God the Son over here, and then God the Holy Ghost; three distinctive individual personalities. Well that just really is not so. Now somebody says, 'Well, how do you know, and where you find that at, and how do you get that?' Deuteronomy 6:4, I believe it is, says, 'Hear oh Israel, Yahweh thy Elohim is Yahweh a unity,' not three different distinctive individuals. And I would say this, if you can look in the Bible, (now listen to what I'm gonna say now) if you can look in the Bible and see that He was fulfilling, you couldn't expect no better for him to say that there were three different distinctive individuals. If you can't read that, if you can't understand that, the difference between institution and fulfillment. You understand what I'm talking about?
Ronald Griggs: Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: And it's, it's, it's, it's a terrible thing. And you can just say that it's worldwide too. All that stuff is... And you look, look right straight at it and you put your finger right on it in your Bible. And you'll stand right up there and say... And then on top of all that, the other bad thing is this, I don't know whether I said this or not when you come over, but I would like to say this and all again, because it
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is one of the most important parts of the ministry is here and ____ ____ ____. When Moses at the burning bush. Now I'm just gonna cut it up short and, He told Moses when he went down into Egypt, 'Certainly I will be with you.' Now here comes up somebody blind just as blind as a bat and say He wasn't up there in the mountain with him. What you're really doing is making Him out a liar. Said, 'Well, He wasn't with him up there.' All of you understand what I'm talking about? It don't make no difference where Moses went or where he was at, He was with him, the same as, He, He's with you too, whether you recognize His presence or not. And then another thing too about that same thing is just, that burns me a lotta times is they got somebody up there hollering the commands, saying, 'Thou shalt not do this, and that, and the other.' And he don't have no body at all. I mean it don't have no, no body. Now you never heard no body say anything, it has to have some body in order to say something. You run, went around trying to tell somebody that, that, that something said, 'Thus and so forth and so on,' and that, but they didn't have no body. And now you, they, they'd put you in the asylum. Don't make no kinda sense. Well, wouldn't you say so? Somebody says, 'Well, it don't say here there.' It don't make any difference whether it says here there or not. And you know He was where they are. He was, He was with Moses when Moses didn't even know that He was with him. You'll find somebody always trying to play smart. They wanna be, want somebody to listen to 'em and look up to them and hear them. See you're gonna have to find somebody up there in that
mount, now that's all there is to that. You're gonna have to, you're gonna have to do that. If there ain't no body up there, now you got a disembodied something or other up there in the mountain giving commands and all like that. It's bad.
Person: It makes sense once you explain it.
Dr. Kinley: Huh?
Person: It doesn't make no, no sense until you explain it. Once you explain it, makes sense to me.
Dr. Kinley: Yeah, that's right.
Person: It's so simple not to see it, till He let's you see.
Dr. Kinley: Why sure it does. If you tried to tell me that there was something, something somewhere saying something and you can't find nothing of it at all, you have, you don't have no consciousness of it.
(BACKGROUND CHATTER AMONG THE PEOPLE)
The whole entire 40 years that Moses was in the wilderness leading the Children of Israel, we'll just say it that way, He was right with him. Now there's something else that, that, I, I, I, now I wish the ministers would, would bring out more conclusively and ____. Now when they come up to Mount Sinai. Now they pitched the tent of Elohim, or Moses on the back side of the mount. Now listen carefully at what I'm saying and you'll see through of what I'm talking about; in other words, it'll become a reality to you. Now when He called Moses up in the mountain, He
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showed him how He created everything and told him up in the mount to take of the Children of Israel an offering and make that tabernacle (now listen) that He might dwell among them. Well now, somebody could say this, 'Well, wasn't He among them in the first place?' No. The tent was over there on the other, on the other side, the back side of the mount and He told them to build Him a tabernacle that He might dwell among 'em. Now when the tabernacle was builded, then there was three tribes on each side. Now He was right among them. Now that's important to bring out, and it should be understood. So a lotta times people, they don't, they don't think and so... Then it's just like what you might say, we're the offspring and achieved by the 12 tribes being around.., you're the offspring. It's true that you are, and He is right among you and He dwells right among you and lives among you. Now that's Elohim. Now that was in Joshua. Now the cloud, it covered the tabernacle, that's called, we'll call that the gallant entry of Elohim, not the flesh now, and it entered the tabernacle, and He dwelled there between the wings of the cherubim. Now that don't mean that it's necessary for you to move the tent, this thing right there. Cause all them things that they get people all twisted up and all. Oh the ministry out here is a mess. They don't understand nothing. And what I'm preaching there's an awful lotta people, you'd be surprised, who just don't go to church at all, and don't want to be bothered with it. And you can't blame 'em, cause they hadn't got nothing out of it. It be just like taking your money out here and putting it in the trash can in the back alleyway or in the alley someplace. You don't get nothing for it, nor nothing. Well, says, ' why you doing that?' Well says here to put 'em in the trash can, but you don't get no return nor nothing for it. ____ ____ promise.
And then, but when it comes to explaining something to you, they can't explain nothing because they don't know nothing to explain.
Person: Doc, can I ask a question?
Dr. Kinley: Yeah.
Person: I need you to help and to explain yourself. The law on the inside of the ark and the, and the ordinances on the outside of the ark.
Dr. Kinley: Well, when you say the law and the ordinances...
Person: at the table, you was talking about the ordinances, at the table on this side
Dr. Kinley: Now you, when you speak of that, let's say the auxiliary ordinances. It was all embodied within the 10 commandments; in other words, it was all one. That's right. And now the significance, we wanna deal with that just a minute or two, the significance of it. When Moses put this... Now the reason why I'm bringing this up this way is to show you so you'll know how to talk with Jehovah Witnesses and the Ambassador College and others. They say that the Holy Spirit is not in anybody. Now when Moses was.., laid the tables of stones in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy Place, that signified that He would write; it reflected that He would write within your mind or within your conscience, the, the, the New
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Covenant. That's what it signified, cause the tabernacle was just like your body. And so, by him laying it in the Most Holy Place, the tables of stones, then that signified Him laying or the New Covenant written in your heart and in your inner parts. You understand what I mean? Well now they don't see no parts of none of that, and, and getting dumber all the time. Yes indeed. And I would think this. If them people with a delusion is a terrible thing, but if those people can go up and down the street, and knock on peop.., and knock on people's doors and try their best to convert somebody to their way of seeing things. If they're that way, now here you are with the truth, the real truth, and you can't even come to school; now that's bad, wouldn't you say? And they work just as hard as they can work and just as wrong as they can be. We were going somewhere. I think Roger and I was going down to the fishing tackle store or someplace, and we saw a whole bunch of 'em. There was their leader, ahead, and they was going somewhere ____ ____ ____. Now anybody, just anybody, now listen to what I'm gonna say, just anybody, including them, can look in a dictionary or in an encyclopedia and find that Jehovah is not the true name of the Father. And they got just nerve enough to go out here and tell people, and, and got it in their book too, that Jehovah is not the true name. Now what do you think about that? Now ____ ____ ____. I'll tell you something else too. The people underestimate, they underestimate the power of Yahweh, and they, and the power of the devil. They under estimate the power of both. Course there is no power but of Yahweh. Yahweh is, I mean the devil and his power, he doesn't have any power of his own, but they underestimate him. I have, I've tried to say it both ways so you can follow through. But they underestimate the power of Yahweh. And then I'll tell you something else. We need to get along and set on this with both feet and that's this: institution and fulfillment, course we've been on that. And you don't need to re.., let up on it, and the names. And now another thing too. Now, if you see a cloud with rain starting to come up on you, and the lightning in that cloud sets off, and those temperatures, then you got thunder. And a lotta people, just a whole lotta 'em don't make no difference about what you believe, but when that terrific thunder there, and even the fishes they'll go down and lay right on the bottom, lay quiet until that rain, until that thunder will go. Assuming it thunders enough to shake the earth where they are, right down to the bottom of the ocean. And you, now you ain't catching the fish then, because he ain't biting. But what I'm trying to point out is this: in II Peter the 3rd chapter the earth will pass away with such a great noise. Now you talking about fear. Fear that you've never experienced before. It'll pass away, in the book, tell you with a great noise and the elements melt with fervent heat. Then the pope won't be near as bold to stand up in, in town and spew out a bunch of ignorance and foolishness. Now I think about it all of that all the time. You can take an earthquake and shake up a lotta people. Some of them are running or afraid of that, but this is what they do.., or a volcano is erupting, this is what they do: just as soon as the lava quit flowing down the side of the mountain and setting everything on a fire, they flee from the, that lava is being spilled forth and just as soon as that eruption is over like with Mount Vesuvius, then they moved right back in the same area. Now how about that? They go back there and see if they can find any thing of their personal belongings whether it wasn't destroyed or consumed by the fire and then say, 'This is my property here.' And just right back up in under the mountain Vesuvius and all again. Then the earthquake happened. Right straight back and build up by the mountain. ____ ____
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____. It just looks like people would have better sense but they just don't. They don't. And they are awful boasters and proud, haughty and high minded. As it says in the first chapter of Romans there, the last few verses, But when the thing really comes down and they loose, just like a little child out in the street there in the nude, nude in the street there. A little child out there with the diapers on and nobody even around, just a little child out there. He genuinely didn't deal with it with saving that child. Then they did and took care of it because it had no mother and no father, and everything around it was destroyed. And how it survived, they don't know. But with their high mind, what I'm saying is, they're high minded and they're haughty and stubborn and hateful and mean until something happens. Yahweh knows how to humble you and bring you on down. You just can't, you, you don't think until the inevitable happens, and then you begin to think. Well it's just, it's a terrible thing. Now Jehovah Witnesses going around saying this: the reason why I brought that up, they're saying that the heavens and the earth won't pass away. They mean by saying this: Solomon said, 'one generation goes and the other comes, but the earth abides forever.' And then they mean by that, it ain't gonna pass away. I tell you what they're, what they're doing is trying to say something different than somebody else is saying. That's, that's what they're saying, that's what they're doing: trying to say something different than somebody else and trying to tell you you were wrong about what you think and then know good and well that they're wrong as they can be. And then they go water baptizing, they oughta do the whole thing. My brother's boy, ever after Benny was dead and we were there ____ ____ in school. And he couldn't, well he didn't, he never did attend our school, but he's next to the oldest. And he says, 'Well, I sure am tired, I baptized over 200 people today.' Now he thought that was smart. Showing up. You, you wasn't talking to me, if he was I'd be cussing him out. That child, he was baptizing 200 people that day. But I'll say this, as strange as it may seem, and it is one for the book, I mean Roger Ripley: you're the only people, religious as all people, that are talking about instituting and fulfilling and the correct names. And now when we take that in account, when you take that in account, now, now listen what I'm gonna say, everybody, don't forget it either: it proves that there much of satanic spirits of existence and they are cast out and they are incarnated in these physical bodies that's causing them to say and do and act as they're acting. That's what it is. And it could very well be in you, it could, course it could be in anybody else, that is if you won't accept the truth, then that's what's keeping you from accepting it. You all, do you all understand me now? Which they go right on and reading it and saying it's wrong. Saying he, this was done and he went to John the Baptist and suffered Himself, permitted to be so for it behooves us to fulfill all righteousness. Then look here, now listen what I'm gonna say (now as a rule we carry this part of the way, we ought to carry it all the way) and that's this: He went through life, when He went through His ministry (now listen what I'm going to say now and pay strict attention to it) we show where He went to John the Baptist, anybody can read, the Jehovah's Witnessses or anybody will, can read that. He told him that would.., to permit it to be so, or suffer it to be so, for it behooves us to fulfill all righteousness. Now that's the beginning of His ministry. Course, now His birth was a fulfillment, and...
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... And then He goes to the cemetery, the grave, that's a fulfillment too. Resurrects from the dead, that's a fulfillment. Tarries 40 days, that's a fulfillment cause that'd be 40 days on each side, you see what I'm gonna... And then step aboard a cloud. I'm trying to put this in terms you can understand it, you can explain about the cloud and the physical body and afterwards, but what I'm saying, He stepped aboard a cloud and He went all the way into heaven. Peter said He'd gone on into heaven. Now contending that what He was doing was fulfilling, not instituting no Lord Suppers, not instituting no Christian water baptism, none, none, none, no parts of none of it. Now here's what I'm saying: if He made it into heaven contending that He was fulfilling, now don't you see where you, where you're going to contending He instituted? Now that's clean. Now you can look back there in the scriptures and see this: see Him coming out of Egypt under the cloud, see this cloud, they're following this cloud all the way. And then when they picked up the ark of the covenant and packed up and moved across the River Jordan under the cloud. That's typical and symbolical of Jerusalem there or Palestine here, is a, the Holy Land is allegorical to heaven. Now that's why He had to go all the way in. I'm just.., that's the reason why He had to ascend on a cloud. Well.
Person: Doc, I have a question
Dr. Kinley: Shoot. If I can't answer it, somebody else in here will. (PEOPLE LAUGH)
Person: Tuesday night. ____ all in the same vein. Now I realize what it's like to have a dream and all and I was thinking of also Paul when he had his revelation he was talking about, whether he's in the body or out of the body only Yahweh knew. Now, what will, for a lack of a better word, what will a person actually experience when he undergoes a change from a, from a natural body to a spiritual body, where it be glorified or, or, or damned. I mean would you have, will a person have consciousness of them ever being in the flesh or what, the transition, I mean what type of an experience will it be and will it, will it, will a person be aware of this change, obviously the soul will be aware of this right?
Dr. Kinley: Dr. Harris, do you understand what he's talking about. Can you explain it to him.
Dr. Harris: Yes, now my understanding on that.., change'll be quick, quicker than a blink of your eye as far as that change is gonna happen spiritually. Paul said over in 15th chapter of I Corinthians in a moment in a twinkling of an eye, we shall all be changed. So you can, you can take his word for it. That's not gonna be like what you think. No, it's going to be instantaneous. Now was there a second part to your question.
Person: Now the second part was. Okay now I, I understand that, when you die you just I mean you're gone.
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Dr. Harris: Oh yeah, I got it, the other part was about remembering. Now then, over in Revelations you got your answer to that. John said that He will wipe all tears from our eyes and we wouldn't remember the former sorrow that you knew before. We won't have no remembrance of it. Different things, such as remembering you ____ ____ mother ____.
Person: Yeah okay.
Dr. Kinley: And if you did, let me add something to it, then you'd be in as much torment then as you are now.
Person: Okay. Now Yahweh, being as repetitious as He is, and overturning and overturning and overturns. Will there be another physical creation like this one.
Dr. Harris: Well now there, back in eternity, Yahweh determines what's back, what's to be in this series of ages He's running or His spirit manifests in other words when these ages are complete now you're only in the fourth one now, you have three more to go after this. And when you come to this one and others here in at the end of this series of ages, then Yahweh or we will decide what the next one will be.
Person: Even though it was purposed back in eternity even before it took on a shape and form and Yahweh Elohim, it was purposed back in there.
Dr. Harris: Yeah it was determined and causes what this would be, what you're experiencing now. This one, you have 7 ages, so every bit of it thus far to its end or finish were decided back there. Now you were back there with Him, but you have no consciousness of it. Every aspect of this, all this was predetermined back there. But this has, now this has got a run it's complete course. When you go over into the next age you supposed to be equipped with, you still have creations to go before you complete this series of ages. Now right where, here's where you're gonna be, this program was set up back there. Now when, when this one's completed, then that's when we with Yahweh will decide the next series of ages.
Person: I'd like to supplement that by saying that ____ ____ ____ 13 chapter of Paul, 13 chapter of 1st Corinthians. Said that now abideth faith, hope and charity, that is to say love. And he said just the point that when that which is perfect is come, that in part shall be done away. Now we know that the physical creation is imperfect, it's limited, it's finite. This is a section in the program, as Dr. Harris said, but then once we have arrived in immortality, there won't be no reason for a repetition of the imperfect, cause once you have arrived at perfect there won't be any place for the imperfect.
Ronald Griggs: You mean in other words, what you're, what you're implying is that there doesn't necessarily mean that there'd be another physical creation.
Person: Not fleshly, there's just no need for it.
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Dr. Harris: Now let me just, let me say, let me say, now what I've told you, you might not know where, what was my authority for saying what I said. My authority was what I have already been taught by Dr. Kinley. So, there's no speculations there. Now if you're gonna speculate, then you have as many speculatory theoretical opinions as there are people in this room. But I just gave it to you like it's been taught to me; in other words, without that, I wouldn't have no idea or concept about it. And you won't find, as far as I can see, and this is a thought that I've often, oftentimes comes to my mind. Now you got Moses's vision and you got John's vision, then you got someone else's vision which is most panoramic of them all. Now this man told us things that we knew we didn't find recorded in Moses's vision or John's. And that's what we talk about now. John doesn't tell you nothing about it, and neither does Moses. Now he, in just, his is just as authoritative as Moses or John, and you'd do well to just take it just like He give it to you as he lays it down. I remember when you were around, you used to sit around Dr. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Now can I just say this one thing. Now you cannot supersede the authority of and the revelation of Yahweh. Now I spoke up to say this. Now while we are at home in the body, we are absent from Yahweh. Now, not that He's absent from us, we're absent from Him. But then will we be present with Him and we shall (that's in the book I'm talking about) then so, we shall ever be with Him; and being with Him and a part of Him, we suffer no ill consequences of anything. You don't have any experience of anything. Well, let's, let's see if we can patch it up by saying this. Right now you see there's a lot of murders and all that's going on all over the world, and unpleasant things, earthquakes and what hot and people are bowed down in sorrow, in grief and all those different kinda things. Well with Yahweh it is not that as of now. It is not, it this it isn't a grievous thing with Him because He determined it to be this way. And He's not grieved, because His purpose is being executed. So now when we are with Him and be as He is, then nothing can be grievous at all, because we'll forever be with Him, and eternal happiness. That's the reason why to go on and to speculate that there would be another physical creation like this and people would be suffering like they are now, now that's speculating. You don't have, you don't have, you don't have nothing to say that with. Then, on top of all that, let's, let's, let's make this real good and clear. The angels that were in heaven and cast out of heaven and now in, held in what you might say chains of darkness waiting the day of judgement to be appointed. I just put it, I'm trying to put it in some terms that you can understand. Now, if they're in bondage, having experienced those things, and have to be punished, then they will never be loosened and so they can give you any trouble at all. They're, they are that part of Yahweh, that's, that's not conscious to grief and all those different kinda things. Do you all understand? Now I'm, I'm struggling for words to explain it to you. But if we are with Him, now as I, listen I tried to make it clean and clear when I said while we're at home in the body we're absent from Him. And Paul said there and he used a statement there that whether in the body or out of the body he couldn't tell, but now, it is stated, we're stating now that we're that we're out of the body, that is to say this flesh has been consummated and we have an immortal body. And an immortal body and an immortal spirit, which is Yahweh, we will ever be with Him and there will be no grief. That's the reason why let me say it this way, that's the reason why the
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angels, when they flew through the midst of heaven crying holy, holy, holy art thou, there was no grief there. There's nothing for them to be sorry over and about, because they're in another realm, another state of existence. Do you understand what I'm talking about? Do you really follow me? Does every body else? Does anybody got any questions to ask about that. If so, let's have them. It wouldn't be, it, it, it wouldn't be worthwhile going, undergoing a whole lotta persecution and suffering and all them different kinds of things, if there's, if there's gonna be some more of it. If you wasn't gonna be liberated from it, why then, there, there, there, it, it just don't make no sense. Now some people have got this kinda an idea about things, which is wrong too. That they say, 'Well, look, if it's just to be consummated, in the consummation it won't take but a minute or two then it'll all be all over so what's the hell's the use for me'(I'm using the expressions they use) 'me being all this somehow about everything.' They don't realize they're unconscious of the purpose, of the power of Yahweh, of, and the suffering, even let's put it this way, even in your physical body that you can undergo right here walking around. They are unconscious of, of the sufferings that can take place while you're right in this physical body, it's unbearable. And would, would make anybody regardless of what their conviction was, it'd make them say, 'Have mercy on...' if there's anybody at all, and if there's anything anywhere, don't make no difference what it is, 'Please let have it.' They're, they're unconscious of the suffering and the pain and the agony and the misery and all, while they're doing all this big talk. So likewise when it comes to the other side of the life, you won't be conscious of this in the other side of life, the suffering and all, because it'll be constant joy and bliss, we might say. And such won't come into mind at all. Then as Dr. Harris has stated, everything is back now and now I'm speaking now, from a, give you Bible now, of the 15th chapter of I Corinthians. And I've tried my best to bring it out in verse 28. Then shall the Son lay down all authority and all power and then just give it back to Him that put all things under Him, that Yahweh might be all in all. Now Yahweh has no suffering and has no unhappiness and no unpleasantness to go through with. He is the one that determines and then it's I or we, meaning this: that it will all be where we started from, the angels and all. Now how about that? Now that's the way it was revealed to me. Now then anybody can doctor it up, fix to suit yourself, but that's the way it was revealed to me, that's the way it was shown to me. And that's what I tried to teach. Now that brings me, now I think I could say this too, along with that; which is the unconsciousness of it. And I tried to, one time in my life that I remember to bring this out, here not too long ago, because I knew it was overlooked, and that is: the 24 chapter, I believe, of Exodus, that Moses was in the Mount 40 days and 40 nights and the cloud was a devouring fire in the sight of the Children of Israel. A devouring... Now the word devouring and consuming is the same. Now what I'm saying now, listen to what I'm saying, don't miss the boat on this one. Now if He's a consuming and a devouring fire. Consummated everything consummated. And then you go back into that state of a, well let's say, that's Yahweh in His totality, it's a hard thing for me to say. But now then in that, they don't, you, what I'm saying is: that's the lake. Now that is the lake, that you, that the people read right over, and reading about the lake all the time and and He is a consuming fire, but they don't recognize it. They don't realize it. Where even when they're looking right at it. Now that's not like the Children of Israel, three Hebrew children were cast in the fiery furnace and all that. This is a consuming fire, and then everything
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will be back in order. Now when I say order, I'm talking about in it's proper perspective, in it's proper place, that Yahweh might be all in all. Now how about that? Then, I or we shall determine what is to be in the next series of ages. Now the reason why I said that is because Yahweh is eternal. He is, He always was and He always will be, not governed by time, He, He's, He's eternal. And that's the reason why I said that. Does everybody understand me on, on, on this score. Ain't nobody sleep, no hand, no noise nowhere. That's what makes it worthwhile: for you to be what you ought to be and not violate the law of the spirit or your conscience. Now don't violate your conscience. Now a man or a person shouldn't allow themselves to do that which condemns them. Understand what I'm talking about? Don't do it that way. Now somebody else comes along and says, 'Well that's wrong for you to drink coffee,' but that doesn't necessarily condemn you. It may them. Why? Because they haven't, have never been elevated to the place that you have. And we just think that's terrible. But nevertheless then never, there's a whole lot of other things, just any number of things that people are unaware of. It doesn't violate my conscience. I drink, for example, take a drink of bourbon or brandy or something, and that don't bother my conscience at all. Now I take some drinks, I've been, just before we left Gary Mathess brought it over there to us and Babe Hodoh brought some too. And that which Babe Hodoh brought is a little harder, a portion of it was there in this bottle right now, Brandy. But now it hurt. Now I paid the bill, I paid the bill myself. Nobody else has to suffer but me on the account of what I did there. Now that, that, that, that, that's paid for. If you eat or drink something, it can be deadly poison and what, what, what not, but the poison's there, what the Messiah was talking about, is what you're been eating all you life until you got in this school, you been drinking all your life that's the deadly poison. It isn't something physical, but if you eat something physical and it don't set so well with you, why then you pay the bill. You're the one that has to do the suffering.
Person: Doc
Dr. Kinley: Yes.
Person: mentioned ____ ____ ____ ____ about the 2nd death a little bit.
Dr. Kinley: The 2nd death?
Person: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Well the first death, the first death was... Let's put it right there. Adam died the first death for his wife. It was executed and Yahweh executed that on him cause him; in other words, caused a deep sleep to fall upon him. It's just like an anesthetic. And then he was just the same as dead, innocently so. Now the people, well meaning people, out there do things, following religion and all, which really idolatry, but Yahweh winked at it, but just as soon as you find out that it's wrong right there and if you don't stop, then you have that execution of that second death. And you're dead while you're yet living. And I'm not talking about being hauled off to the cemetery either.
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Eugene Hodoh: Doc, I have a question in regards to Moses when he came down from the mount and his face was shown, shown so that he had to put a vail on.
Dr. Kinley: Can you hold it a minute?
Eugene Hodoh: Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: I want to know whether ____ was clear on what I did say there?
Person: Yeah. I...
Dr. Kinley: Sit
Person: I said, Yeah doc ____ ____ ____
Dr. Kinley: Okay, that's alright. Now proceed.
Person: In regards to Moses coming down from the mountain having to put a vail on his face when he talked to the people. Could you go into that a little bit?
Dr. Kinley: Well yes. He was in the presence of Yahweh, the incorporeal form, let me put it like that. And I'll say it this way too, even you or anybody else that even as of new, that is filled with the Holy Spirit it just simply permeates the flesh, it manifests itself like you can't hide it to save your life, but if that condemnation is in there, then it will manifest itself now. I said that to say this. The person that is filled with the Holy Spirit, another person that is filled with the Holy Spirit, they see the permeation, they see it manifested out. The vail then, has been taken away, you or the flesh has been rent and you're looking into the spiritual things. Do you understand?
Person: Yes sir, I think so.
Dr. Kinley: Is there anybody else. Did everybody else understand what I'm talking about? Lotta times when people'll do things and try to stand up something, and they're looking down and they can't look you straight in the eye and all like that. Something wrong upstairs, you're lying and it's telling on you. But when you're doing that which is right and, and now there may be something wrong there somewhere, and now here's what I mean by that. But you don't know that there's anything wrong and the Holy Spirit will teach you and lead you and guide you in all righteousness. And as soon as you come upon or something is revealed to you that you have been doing that is wrong, why then you quit, and it continues to permeate. You can just tell, just look a person in the face. You can see it in anybody. People try to get up and swear by all that's holy that they're right and you can just see the countenance done failed.
Dr. Harris: Going back to something you were talking about ____ ____ ____ ____ cause we know it is a tenant of the world teaching out there is: when they die they'll go to heaven with God and live happy and joyous and so forth and so on. Course that's supposed to happen to them all of a sudden, when the end come,
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they don't know when that is, they look forward to it, but now with us that understand, we've already been translated into the kingdom as Paul said in Romans 14: 17 the kingdom of heaven is righteousness, peace and joy. Now we're supposed to be, we're supposed to have the earnest of the inheritance now. And we're supposed to be experiencing some feeling of that righteousness, peace, and joy as of now. Well now if we aren't, there's something amiss. Now we're going on to greater joy after this here, at the consummation but we're supposed to have a portion of that now. That's the thing that permits you, ____ ____ ____ so to speak; in other words, you know beyond a shadow of a doubt what you're going unto it, because you have it as of now. You're not hoping for it because you're already.., that hope is already...
Student Body: Okay.
Dr. Kinley: Yes that's right. Now that brings me around to say something else. And I put this off a long time, and I haven't... You women remember? Some of you were in this school here, some of you were not. I said that I had a, what I call, just for the sake of understanding, a sermon that I wanted to preach about the women. Now I can say it this way and then it can be appreciated without even an expression. And suppose Babe, somebody has a Bible there, suppose you look at the 5th chapter of the Song of Solomon. Now here's a man that's had 700 wives and 300 concubines. Now he ought to know something about by experience. And I'll just get this load off of my chest right now, because I can say what I wanna say and then you can, the men folk can appreciate it and a woman too can appreciate it because it works, this whole room gonna work both ways. The 5th chapter and sixth verse. I know Dr. Harris knows what it says there and read. He's finding out what page it's on.
Dr. Harris: I thought it was right after 12, and I see it's after Ecclesiastes.
Dr. Kinley: He hasn't much use for the Song of Solomon. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS)
Person: Alright. I get it.
Dr. Kinley: Now what page is it on? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS)
Person: Okay what'd you want? The 5th chapter. What verse?
Dr. Kinley: 5th, it, I think it 5th, 6th verse. 6th verse I think it is.
Person: I opened to my beloved but my beloved hath withdrawn himself
Dr. Kinley: No, that ain't it. No. He has set me as a seal upon...
Person: Well, what, what? Do you remember it, doc?
Dr. Kinley: It's about the 8th chapter os Song of Solomon.
Person: 8:6. 8th chapter, the 6th verse.
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Dr. Kinley: That's right. It's been a long time.
Person: Set me as a seal up on thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm. For love is strong as the death.
Dr. Kinley: Now just like that. Now that's unexpressible on his own ____ and he is saying, but to experience it is a different thing. You know when you lost your mother or your father or your wife or someone in your family. Now love is just as strong as death, that's something that you experience within yourself. Now what Solomon is talking about is the Church and, and the woman.
Person: What doc?
Dr. Kinley: The church as, which is a woman. Now he says, 'Set me as a seal upon thy heart as a seal upon thine arm for love, love is strong as death.' For example, now you say John 3:16. 'God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish.' Now love is strong as death. Now I'm telling you and this is what I'm trying to show you: a man that loves a woman, that real genuine love, not talking about lust, I'm talking about love now, love is an attribute. It's as strong as death. Nothing can break it or come between it because it's just as strong as death. You will not give it up under no circumstances, He... It would be just like Adam was, he died for his bride because love is as strong as death. Now that's unexpressible and it has to be experienced. Those words are there, you can express the words but the experience of it is a different thing. Alright, now read on.
Person: jealously is cruel as the grave
Dr. Kinley: Now jealousy, it's now that's cruel. Now some of us has got that thing twisted right around the other way. Jealousy is as cruel as the grave. Alright.
Person: the coals thereof
Dr. Kinley: the coals thereof
Person: are coals of fire
Dr. Kinley: are coals of fire. That's kindled within an individual, either love or jealousy is kindled within the person. Alright, read on.
Person: which has a most vehement flame
Dr. Kinley: which has a most vehement flame
Person: many waters cannot quench love
Dr. Kinley: Now listen there. Now I, you can put him in the Pacific Ocean, and there's many waters... Cannot quench it's thirst. It just can't be done away with. That's, that's, that's the essence of it. Love there is just indispensable. Alright,
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read.
Person: Neither can the floods drown it
Dr. Kinley: See it can't drown it.
Person: if a man would give all of his substance of his house for love
Dr. Kinley: Now listen here now, now you get this straight, get this straight: if a man would give all that he possess including his body for love. Then what?
Person: it, it would be, would utterly be contemned
Dr. Kinley: Then you just say, you just, it's just a waste, you just can't purchase it with, with nothing. It's indispensable. And you, if you had a billion dollars and you was gonna pay a billion dollars for love you couldn't, it's not that won't that won't do nothing. That won't even touch it. Now I just give you that little bit there, which has always been within me. Now that's a man for a woman, typifying and showing the church. And it is a man, there's Solomon that has had 700 wives and 300 concubines. Actually spiritually. He wouldn't, He'd rather die and in that He realized that even in death it, that it, it just wouldn't compensate or it wouldn't replace. Now that's, now that's love for a woman. That's love typified as the church. Now there's another one in there, I don't remember in the, in the book. Now it talks about a lewd woman, says her steps lead, that's in Proverbs2 that Solomon's talking about it. Yes sir. And he says there her steps lead down to the lowest hell there is. That's just bad. True love. And true lewdness is a terrible thing. I meant, I don't mean terrible, true love, it's just indispensable. And now a man, a woman do something that he has love for, genuine love for, if he see her do something that cut his very heart, cut him so deep until he would rather just die than ____ go through, just much rather die than to even go through ____. Now a lewd woman ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____, I could say this in conjunction and relation and slip one right in between there by saying this, that, that's why there's so many divorce cases is because they just went and married for sexual conveniences and so forth and so on, or money or something like that and there wasn't any love there. And so then that makes, makes quite a bit of difference. But where there's genuine love there and there's no money ____, can't do anything with it at all, nothing in the world that can do anything with the love. It's indispensable. But a bad woman... Now the reason why I characterize it as the church and then put it on the individual back there and say...
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2 Proverbs 7:27
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
original recording on reel to reel
transferred to1 90 minute audio cassette by Lamer Greer
GREER CATALOG #: 36B
ROTHSTEIN CATTLOG #: 73 SS
transcribed by Cathy Fenti
proofread by Michael Rothstein and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
SCRIPTURE READING: I Corinthians 15
Dr. Kinley: ...But one thing is that I want you to be aware of and comprehend and it's bearing down on you pretty heavy. And I'll tell you what it is, so you won't be in the dark about it. I told you last week that when I was in the hospital and had that 2nd heart attack, there were nurses and doctors that come to me right away. They went through the papers, give me medications and so forth and so on. And when I was, when I, when they woke me up, I felt that intensive and excruciating pain. And I realized how people could die in their sleep of a heart attack and never awake. Now, I told you, as I have said before: I have told you what Yahweh gave to me to tell you. I've already done did that. But now sometimes it's overlooked and people just simply don't believe. I told you that Yahweh sent me in the world to be just what I am. And somebody says, 'Well, so then you can't be.' I told you that I had a vision and a revelation, and somebody else says, 'Well, I'm equal to you.' And when you get through with it, everybody got their doctrines and opinions and all these things are different and a lot of disputations and what not. And now we've come right down to the close of this age. It is definitely important. Now you have seen right in this room, people from other
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denominations come in here. Now we know they don't know what we're talking about. Now we know that. And it wouldn't make any difference what subject you are intending to embark upon, they wouldn't know because they haven't been taught. So how can they know? And they're bound to start or think different. And what you say a lotta time is an insult to them, now they'll get up and walk out the door. They don't know, don't realize. Now I wanna say this before I get out on the limb. Now what you must do as of now; I want, maybe I better let you read it. And of course that I, I, I thought about that too. People are opening a Bible and put their finger right on the Bible, and read right out of the Bible, and straight up and down and this is what they do. That's what they're doing. They're doing it all over the world.
12th chapter of Revelation. Now this is what I'm after folks, there in the 12th chapter of Revelations. And I wanna cut it short because I'm going to rush on and try to convey my, some thought to you. And I often speak of this, there in the 12th chapter of Revelations, John is talking about that old serpent called the devil, Satan being cast out of heaven, he and his angels. And they were cast down to the earth. Now those are demoniac spirits, there ain't but one devil folks. Just one devil, the rest of 'em are demons. And it says there, stars of heaven. Now everything that is written in your Bible, if you were aware of it, you could catch up with a whole lotta things. For example: stars that shot or strewn down in the sky. What they call falling stars. And many of you, I'm pretty sure have, have seen a lot it 'em, seen the stars fall. Now that is a verification that the angels, which are stars; stars represent the angels, the sun represents the Son of Yahweh, the moon the law. Now all, everything natural, doesn't make any difference what it is, everything natural,nothing excluding, but including everything: Yahweh has made it as it is in order to abolish your excuse for stupidity and ignorance. That's why everything was made like it is. Now, Satan, his disposition, which is also incarnated in his demoniac spirits that follow him: every time Yahweh says anything, Satan always says, 'that's not the way it is;' in other words, Satan tries to make himself be the truth and Yahweh be the liar. Now the thought that I'm trying to impart to you there is: those demoniac spirits are cast down unto the earth, they are incarnated in physical bodies. Them demoniac spirits posing as ministers of light and as minsters of righteousness. They are up in the pulpit, leading the people. And people are following them. Now listen what I'm gonna say now. Pay attention because I'm struggling to try and get a thought over to you. And I'd like to do this before my departure. Now my departure, I'm talking about departure out of the flesh. Now you can put your finger on something in the Bible, (I'm, I'm repeating it to show you) put your finger on something right in the Bible and read it. Now we've had this experience. I've had it for 42 years. And the majority of the instances, ecclesiastical denominations such as Roman Catholics, the Baptists, the Methodists, the Unitarians, the Church of Christ, the Church of God, and so forth and so on, at one time or another in this life and since I had the vision and the revelation I have been in close conversation with them. They definitely will not accept the truth. Now what's the matter? Well it's just like I said: that satanic spirit in them will not allow them to accept. Now listen, don't, don't, don't think that a strange thing. Don't, don't think it strange, because when Yahshua the Messiah was here walking around on the face of the earth, after coming through the loins of a woman and during His ministry, you have the
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Pharisees, you have the Sadducees, you have Zealots, the Nazarenes, the Essenes. Those are sects. Now they just naturally wouldn't accept Him as the Messiah. Had the scriptures too. Bound some up around their arms and their ankles and around their heads, and so forth and so on. In the synagogue every sabbath day, offering up sacrifices, daily sacrifices. And yet and still, when He come along, they wouldn't accept Him. Now you got the same thing today. Same devil that was cast out back there. Now what they have done, they have come right straight down through the dispensations and ages, right on down to our day. They're mixed right in with us. And the, some of them have been incarnated in you and I. Now how about that? Now if you wanna get mad, just go ahead on and get mad. My job is telling you, instead of abiding by the consequences.
Now I said that because I preached 15 years Holiness, in the Church of God. And I quoted just as much scripture as anybody. You could open your Bible and start to read and I'll tell you chapter and verse where you was reading at. I, I was called a Bibliomaniac. And now could you just imagine how it was, when I was sitting in my dining room rocking in a rocking chair. And the thought that was in my mind was, do like this. In the 15th chapter of Acts of the Apostles, the 31st verse, I believe it is. Now I never got it by revelation, I just told you about it. This was the thought that I had in my mind. Now I had, got what you call what had happened to me was put out of church; accused of a young woman. And my mother said to me, said, 'Well son all of them people love to hear you preach, you're a young man and now why don't you go back and straighten up with the brethren, confess, acknowledge that you're sorry,' Now listen, now that's what my mother said to do. Now I was not guilty of what they said. And for seven long years, the lady was out here; and I have no way of proving to them. And she told them that she was guilty of committing that fornication, she told 'em. And because she stayed at my house on ____ ____ ____ ____, she stayed at my house, me and my wife's house on a Saturday, and then, so she could go to school; her and another friend of hers who lived in another little town. And she didn't tell them who it was. And because she stayed at my house that put it on me. Now what, look what had caused that thing in the first place was this: when she was quite young she wanted to marry a man. And her mother said, 'No.' She didn't want him, her to marry that man. And her mother picked out a man for her to marry, so she married the man that her mother picked out. And it wasn't too long before they were separated and divorced. So then she goes back to this man that she loved when they was going to school. And there's where the crime was supposed to have been committed. But she didn't tell them who did it, who was guilty. And they put it on my shoulders. Now here's what I wanna tell you about that. Now I didn't know that Yahweh was throwing me out of the church. I didn't know that. Now how about that? And here I was all, I mean I shed many a tear about that girl. And I tried to tell them, 'No.' Yet they, they wouldn't listen. So finally one day I'm rocking in my chair and Yahweh caught me on up into the third heaven and showed me what I have been trying to tell you. Now folks I wanna say this. Now if that is a lie, if I was lying, I could not have continued this far with you. And I couldn't put up with as much as I've been through. I would have forgotten all about ____ long ago. I couldn't, I just couldn't continue. You follow? But I told mother after that happened, I told her, I said, 'No, mother, I can't do that.' Now what good would it have done me to go back there and lie and say I'm guilty of
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something and with no understanding of what it was. I would've always had a condemned conscience of lying. So when I really seen what's it all about, now my mother, she didn't know, she just didn't see, she belongs to the same church.
So, finally one day, well I could tell you about this first. There was an old blind man. We knew him long.., years before He ever went blind. And he was really versed in greek and latin, and after he went blind mother fixed his meals for him. And he belonged to the church, he had formerly belonged to 2nd Baptist Church. And so then he come over in this church the Church of God, Holiness Church. And he was in there, when this all occurred. Now mother had a whole lot of respect for uncle Fine, cause Uncle Fine was around my mother's house at the time. And he used to try to say that, with his latin and suffixes and prefixes and explanations to mother. Mother thought he was right. And she said, 'Boy, you're wrong.' Now I done had the vision now. So one day I'm sitting there in the house, I come over and uncle Fine was there. And he always laid his hat and, and his cane down, and know that he'd see it on his way out, laid it down right by the stairs. And when I come in and he heard my voice, he just spoke to me and he went on out. That gave me an opportunity to set there and talk to my mother and tell her really what had happened to me. And I did it. And when mother seen, I could tell that she had seen, her face just beamed just like an angel. And I could tell that she really... And these are her words to me. She said, 'Clifford.' My first name is Henry, second is Clifford, but they all call me Cliff or Clifford. She said, 'I am your mother, I did give birth to you, but I confess that I never knew you.' I got up and walked out. I just couldn't take it, because that's how long it took until my mother died, she belonged to this school. My father was an illiterate man, he couldn't read nor write. And when he come home from work she told him about it. And he said, 'Well now Ada.' He said, 'You know I think Ada I can't read nor write, but if I can understand what that boy's talking about, I don't see no reason why you shouldn't.' She was a school teacher, I mean elementary school teacher. 'And if I could understand him, I don't see why you couldn't.' I see, I've seen him read and write, and I have seen him with a newspaper on him, every time he looked at the newspaper, he had it upside down. Well that's, that's right, just, just couldn't read it.
Now I said all that to, to say this to you. There is another realm, people. And this other realm I'm talking about is an eternal realm. There are angels. There are apparitions or angels, I have seen them. I've talked with and communicated with.... I can't see no justifiable reason to stand up here, under no obligation to stand up here and lie to you about that, if I hadn't seen it.
Now here's another thing that will tell the tale, whether I did or didn't. Now what you see up here on these charts around, that'll tell the tale whether I did or I didn't. When you understand it, there won't be no more arguing, cause all I did was to try to put down the best I could, what I saw, what Yahweh revealed to me.
Now, for a short time, I wanna go back, this BC thing up here, was up there last week. And what event there, that He had fulfilled where.... This BC you're looking at... Right? Now this is 1973 AD, that's Anno Domini (DR. KINLEY IS FIGURING
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ON THE BLACKBOARD) 4 plus 3 is 7, 7, 9, 51 Now that's 5977. Is that right? Now that's before and that's after, as the theologians see it. Now when I say as the theologians see, this is what I'm talking about. I'm talking about them leading chronologists, Biblical chronologists: Hastings, Asher, Ussher. ____ . Now they are the leading ones and they're talking about BC 4004 years before the birth of Christ. Now I told you last year, uh last Wednesday, that that was not so. There is no such thing as before. Now we know the name is wrong. But let's assume now for a second, that is, is before Yahshua. That can't be either. That's a matter of impossibility. Now I have some of you, I'm pretty sure, haven't noticed this chart. And I'm gonna point out something on this chart. Now it says BY here, 4000 is BY 1490. Had you noticed that? Now what you should have now get your King James Version and, and look at Genesis 1:1. Look at the margin of the translator and look up at the top of the page. Now Genesis 1:1 and you will see there 4004 BC, meaning this: that the creation of heaven and earth took place 4004 years before the birth of Christ. That is not so. That is a misnomer. There is no such thing as before Christ. Colossians 1:16 or 1:14, 15. Now I, I, I don't intend to be up here too long, but I would like to get somewhere with it. I'd like to show you something.
Reader: For by him were all things created
Dr. Kinley: Yeah, that's it. It's up
Reader: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness
Dr. Kinley: Now that's Yahshua the Messiah has delivered us. Now get this straight. Right almost anywhere you read that in the Bible it's all twisted up, so far as that they tell you in these denominations is concerned. It's all twisted up. Now, there's Jehovah's Witnesses. They are saying that there's 144000 of the earth class going to heaven. I don't know where you find that at in the Book. I have never, I never read that. And then He gonna come and He gonna set up His kingdom down... Now this said, 'hath delivered us.' Now in the lesson that Dr. Bryant read here tonight. He said, 'Now this I say brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of Yahweh.' Is that right? It isn't your physical body, it isn't flesh and blood that inherits the kingdom. It's a spiritual kingdom.
And look, let me tell you this. You know what angels are. I'll say it around this way for you. Angels are ministering spirits. They have received from the Father, from the Creator, now listen to what I'm saying, power to become visible and power to disappear. Now that's what you call a ministering spirit. Now here's why I said that. They are already in, this a spiritual kingdom, and they are already in that spiritual kingdom. Now when, now get this one straight. Now we're concerned about time too. When, did all this happen? Now it seems you oughta find something in the book to support that and not just go babbling along with them and agree and have no proof for nothing you say. Now you'll have to read,
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hold your finger on it, where you, where you were there, and turn to the 20..., well just read it Dr. Harris. Where they say he's gone away now to set up a kingdom for us and He'll be back after awhile. I, I'm trying to find out whether that's so or not. No. Isaiah, begin to read it in Matthew. There about Matthew 25:34, 5. Now pay attention now. And then if you'll just keep your eye open, you'll catch all these things. And you will never have to be bothered with it no more. Alright, read.
Reader: Then shall the king say unto them on his right hand
Dr. Kinley: Now it's talking about dividing the sheep from the goats. He said then shall the King say unto them on His right hand.
Reader: Come you blessed of my father
Dr. Kinley: Come you blessed of my Father.
Reader: inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Dr. Kinley: Now did you hear that? Now the kingdom was pre.., come ye blessed of my Father and inherit the kingdom which was prepared for you before the foundation of the world. How many times have we told you that the angels was created before man? Now if that be the case inherit the kingdom that was prepared, now here you got it that He's going away to prepare a kingdom for you. And Jehovah's Witnesses say He's coming back and set up a kingdom on earth. And there are those that have said this: that He would have set up the kingdom on earth back there at the garden of Eden, but He had to postpone because the man didn't obey here. Then He had to postpone it again, down here when Enoch was preaching. Then He had to postpone it again and drown it out there with, with Noah. Now what you're talking about, listen at what I'm saying now, you're talking about a limited deity.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That ain't no good. And when something happens, He's got to rush around and get it fixed. Now it's nothing like that. Yahweh had a purpose within Himself before ever He started to do anything. And He's carrying out everything according to His purpose and His own will without any hindrance. The devil is not a liability to Yahweh, he is rather an asset. So that the devil gets right in behind you real good. There's nowhere for you to go but to run you right on in, bring you right on into the kingdom. And he don't want no fooling with him either. You want to get in line, whole lot of ____ ____ ____, you can't ____ ____ with that. Now, you see that? It says that, don't it? This kingdom is already prepared. Well then somebody says, 'Well what's He going away for? He said He was going to prepare a place for them.' And they took it that He would be right back and then He was going to prepare the kingdom. No, the place that He prepared for you: when He was walking around in the flesh as you are right now, He was the Son of Yahweh Elohim. Right then. Did you hear what I said? I said when He was walking around here in the flesh, He was the Son of Yahweh Elohim. Now that's why I said it. And you are now. Now, with Him being in the flesh... Now if you
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don't understand, I can't, I can't do a whole lot of reading and then, then explain things... Course we can take this Bible from Genesis to Revelation, we've done it a many times, in less time than two hours. You've seen that done haven't you Cliff? But nevertheless, now when He's walking around, now I want you to get the thought, He was the Son of Yahweh Elohim. Now let me show you what I'm talking about. This cloud, just wipe everything out but the cloud. Now this cloud denotes spirit and within the cloud, He took on a shape and form. Now you got Him as pure spirit and then you got Him in shape and form. Now that's why I said Yahweh Elohim, and then He come on down and He took on a physical body, which means that He was the Son of Yahweh Elohim in this physical body. Now listen folks. Now I said He was going to prepare a place for you. Now the place that He prepared for you, so that you could be just what He was. Now when He died, resurrected from dead, and poured out the Holy Spirit on, on the Day of Pentecost, now listen close at what I'm saying. John.2 Read it.
Reader: Behold
Dr. Kinley: Behold
Reader: what manner of love
Dr. Kinley: what manner of love
Reader: the father has bestowed upon us
Dr. Kinley: the father has bestowed upon us
Reader: that we should be called
Dr. Kinley: that we should be called
Reader: the sons of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: the sons of Yahweh, not saint:, just like He was the Son. He died that you could be a Son. 3rd chapter of Luke, the last verse. Now you're in pedigrees and genealogies now. But I just want to show you that this man was not a ____ ____.
Reader: which was the son of Enoch
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Enoch
Reader: which was the son of Seth
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Seth
Reader: which was the son of Adam
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Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Adam
Reader: which was the son of Elohim
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Elohim. Now He's come to take you right back where you was. So Adam was a son of Elohim. Now I'd like, I'd like to say that, say this right here. Now you see the Kingdom of Heaven was prepared way back there, long before you ever heard anything at all of the Roman Catholic Church, long before you ever heard any thing of a Baptist Church, long before you ever heard anything of a Methodist Church or Presbyterian. And I'll say this to you, long before you ever heard anything about Jehovah's Witnesses. Now the reason why I said that that way is: Moses and the prophets; they're Jehovah's Witnesses. And long before there were Moses and the prophets, long before the atom was ever made or created, the Kingdom was prepared. Now how about that? It was prepared before the foundations of the earth. And, are you following me on this? Now in the 24th chapter of Matthew or the 13th chapter of, of Mark. Now here's what I'm trying to get after. I'm trying to get after, course I, I'm going to have to take a short little break. I'll take Psalm 90:4, II Peter, II Peter 3:8. Now I'm going, I'm going have to do that in order to establish time. Now here's what the majority or the folks know nothing about. They don't know nothing whatsoever about prophetic time. They don't know a thing about it. And just reading around in the Bible anywhere and just say anything. I'll tell you one that folks say, they say, 'There's nothing new under the sun.' And somebody jumps up and said that David said, 'ln sin did his mother conceive him, and he was born in sin and shaped in iniquity.' Well that was alright back there then, but it just ain't no good over here. And if there was nothing new under the sun, you say look, why you like that. Now I, I'd like to disprove that. Isaiah 46:9, 10. Now you pay attention.
Reader: Remember the former things of old
Dr. Kinley: Now He's telling Israel to remember the former things of
Reader: for I am El
Dr. Kinley: for I am El
Reader: and there is none else
Dr. Kinley: and there is none else
Reader: I am Elohim
Dr. Kinley: I am Elohim
Reader: and there is none like me
Dr. Kinley: and there is none like me
Reader: declaring the end from the beginning
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Dr. Kinley: Now declaring the end from the beginning. Now that's one of the reasons why I tell you this, when He comes through the loins of a woman and when He was down here with Moses, He was instituting with Moses, when He comes through the loins of a woman He's fulfilling what He already instituted. Now I've tried to tie it in to the root of the thing. He declared the end, I've already done mentioned that too. In His, within Yahweh, He declared the end even before He'd done anything at all; whether He made an angel or creation or anything. It was a foregone conclusion, and He has the power to work all things after the council of His own will. Declaring the end from the beginning. Read it, read it, doc.
Reader: declaring the end from the beginning
Dr. Kinley: um hum
Reader: and from ancient times
Dr. Kinley: and from ancient times
Reader: the things that are not yet done,
Dr. Kinley: the things that are not yet done. Now here's what I'm pointing out now. Yahshua the Messiah was a lamb, as a lamb slain from the foundation of the world, back here with Yahweh, but it hadn't yet been done. So when He come along and died out on Golgotha, while the thing's happened in eternity, it was just manifested on earth; so there's not something new under the sun. How about that one now? It just hadn't yet been done. Now Yahweh's gonna roll this thing up as a scroll. That hasn't yet been done. Sun and all. You follow? People just walk around trying to say something with such authority that they think nobody can't dispute. Then ain't nothing new under the sun. I beg your pardon. Now this is, then I told you about another thing. About David saying He was born in sin and shaped in iniquity. Now if you're reading the seventh chapter of Romans or the seventh chapter of I Corinthians, it tells you there that the woman, the unbelieving woman or the unbelieving man is sanctified by the husband else are your children unclean. But now they are clean, they wasn't back there then, but they are now. Since Yahshua the Messiah has been offered up. Your children are clean and you're..; in other words, you're responsible for 'em till they reach the age of accountability. Now how about that one? Alright. Now is that alright?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, what we're talking about so you don't forget what we're talking about ____ ____. Psalm 90:4.
Reader: for a thousand years in thy sight
Dr. Kinley: a thousand years in thy sight
Reader: are but as yesterday when it is past.
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Dr. Kinley: Psalm 90:4. A thousand years in His sight are but as yesterday when it is past. Now why is that? Is because; now hold that one right tight, then look up Isaiah since you're there. This is something to see. Now list.., we're trying to get at some of these things so that you can have some understanding about that.
Reader: For thus saith the High and Lofty one
Dr. Kinley: For thus... Who said that?
Reader: for thus saith the High and Lofty one
Dr. Kinley: Now don't go putting it on Isaiah. Thus saith the High and Lofty
Reader: that inhabiteth eternity
Dr. Kinley: Now He inhabiteth eternity. Now eternity... Now listen, look up here folks. Look up here. You pay attention. Now eternity means that which time and space, it just isn't there. Eternity has no beginning and has no ending. You understand? Now, He inhabits eternity. Now listen to what I'm gonna say here now. Listen to what I'm gonna say. Now you've often heard me say that all, everything, and every time that man gets up here, he goes around these charts and says that everything is embodied within Yahweh and within the cloud. What you are, what you're talking about the thing that just simply doesn't penetrate a carnal mind. Now if that be the case, and Yahweh inhabits eternity, now that means that He's inside of something, He inhabiteth something. Is that what it said? Well, now look here folks. Now it's up to you to understand what He's talking about, because what we're using here is just words to explain it. And it says that Yahweh said that. Now here's what I'm trying to say. Eternity, which means that which is without any time or any beginning or without any ending, it's emanated from Him and He inhabits... Just let me, let me pose this before you so you'll get a little better understanding. Now if there was a halo around my body, the halo would be emanated from my body and I would be inside of that halo.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now do you understand me? The halo would be coming from me, and I would be inside a halo, if the halo is emanating from me and that would put me in eternity. Now how about that one. Now these thing's are hard to explain. Now let me see if I can throw another one in on that. Solomon said, when he built the temple there in Jerusalem, he said, 'the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee,' to say nothing about this house that he built out there on Mt. Moriah. Did you follow me that time? Everything abides within Him. Nothing at no time has ever been outside of Him. He was before time began and He will be after it ends. Now, we had you to read Psalm 90:4. Now it says that a thousand years when it is past is, but as what?
Student Body: as yesterday
Reader: as yesterday
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Dr. Kinley: as yesterday when it is past. Now, now we're talking about with Yahweh, we ain't talking about with you, not you, but with Yahweh. Alright, now, II Peter 3rd chapter and the 8th verse.
Reader: but beloved
Dr. Kinley: But
Reader: be not ignorant
Dr. Kinley: Now it's saying beloved, be not ignorant. Just don't be ignorant about this. Alright read on.
Reader: of this one thing
Dr. Kinley: of this one thing
Reader: that one day is with Yahweh as a thousand years
Dr. Kinley: but one day is with Yahweh as a thousand years
Reader: and a thousand years is as one day
Dr. Kinley: and a thousand years as one day. Now, I had that read so I could go back and pick up this. When He'd created the man and put him in the Garden, He told him not to partake of the fruit of the tree. And the day that he ate of the fruit of that tree, he would surely die that day. Now somebody come along with a carnal mind and say, 'Adam didn't die that day.' Thinking one sunrise and one sunset in that day, that they call day. And then Adam lived 930 years and they say, 'Well, he lived all that time, he didn't die.'
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And listen he begat both sons and daughters. Cain was older than Abel. And a woman, after she conceives, 9 months, so in 9 months would be longer than a day. And if she had two sons way back, way back there, Cain and Abel and Seth. Then.., and Adam was the father of 'em, then that would make it longer than one day, and for him to live 930 years, he died 70 years short of a day. That's with Yahweh. Now here's what I'm getting after now. So now you follow me. He told Adam not to.., listen, not to touch, now not to eat, what are you so particular about that... to keep the garden. Now if you gonna trim a tree, you gonna certainly have to touch it.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: The devil, he'll just say anything. So He told him not to touch it, that means: don't, don't do no trimming around on it and don't bother it, stay away from it, don't, don't touch it, let it alone, get away from around it. He didn't have no business in there where he was in the first place, as far as the Garden, as for
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the trees that were in the midst of the garden, he didn't have no business in the midst of the Garden at all. Don't touch that. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now look, now when you can see it a long way, then you can see why He says to Aaron 'Don't touch that mercy seat, don't touch that ark, throw that blood toward that.' Said, 'ln the day ye touch it, ye shall surely die.' Repeating it right back yonder. Now do you understand that? We down here, we know how to trap the devil, we get him in a ____ ____. He says, 'Well, I got an appointment down the street.' We know how it's done. Folks, I've been doing this thing for 42 years. Yes, I've had a hold of your pastor, I mean doctrine is what I'm talking about. And they've tried and tried, tried. They've even ganged me. I challenge the world. You can't whip me. Now I don't me as a man, that's not what I mean. I mean the divine intelligence and knowledge and wisdom that Yahweh has put within me, in fact it's just the Father in me. Yeah. Now that's, and that's what it is in you, I don't want you to think anymore of me than what you do of yourself. That's what it is within you. Well what's the difference? You see, I'm conscious of it and you may not be. Now that's what the difference is. Now how about that. That's a whole lotta difference, isn't it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) So now here, they got that. Now you got II Peter 3:8. Read it again Dr. Harris because we done lost the continuity of thought.
Reader: Beloved be not ignorant of this one thing
Dr. Kinley: Um hum
Reader: that one day with Yahweh as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now when Adam touched the fruit of that tree. Now listen, the Word of Yahweh is quick and powerful, it's sharper than a two edged sword (listen now) piercing even to the dividing asunder the soul and the spirit, and is a discerner of the thought and the intent. Now that's carrying it out ____ to me, the intent of the mind. Now when you get something, something sharp enough to cut between the soul and the spirit and the mind, now then I'm getting down pretty sharp ain't it. And when it goes back on over that's it, that's really sharper than a Gillette blue blade. Wouldn't you say so? Now here's why I, here's what I'm talking about and the reason why I said that: no sooner than that man touched that tree, his conscience was instantaneously condemned; in short, he died within himself, instantaneously condemnation. No sooner he touched it, condemnation, right there, right there is where he died, so far as conscience is concerned. And the way Yahweh has predicated ____ but you see the man come along, he don't understand them things and say he lived 930 years. If the Bible's wrong, just suit yourself. He just didn't understand Yahweh. See how it was? Now that's time. Now. Dr. Harris did we read Colossians 1:13, 14, 15? We didn't finish it up. We wanna finish it. Now it would do, it would be well if you'd look these things up. And then look, when you read these things... Now there's interpolations in the Bible folks, I don't want you to think there's not.
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Mistranslations. Some of the things you read in the Bible, it ain't so, it just ain't that way, but we know how to take them interpolations out and show 'em to you. And the purpose of Yahweh makes sense. And this is what they have to do. Now listen at me. Pay attention to me. This is what you have, and if you don't do it this way it's gonna tell on you. You have to put, put your blood where Yahweh said put it, and water where Yahweh said put it, spirit right where Yahweh said put it. After, if you ain't no need for you to stand around arguing, you're wrong fellow. Now this is what you got. Now this is what you have. Are you listening now? Now what I'm gonna say now, some people could get sore about it. What you have now, you have one of them satanic spirits incarnated in a physical body up preaching to you. And he don't know how to put this together. He hasn't been let in on this deep esoteric secret of Yahweh, consequently he doesn't have any way to prove what he's talking about. And must be line upon line, precept upon precept, and here a little and there a little and listen what I 'm saying now, it must repeat itself in every dispensation and every age. Never misses. Then somebody come along and says, 'Well what about this or what about that or what about...' Well, what about it? And when somebody tells you what about it, then you are not aware of what that really tells you. Alright. Now, he's sayings things here.
Reader: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins
Dr. Kinley: we have redemption in His blood
Reader: who is the image of the invisible El
Dr. Kinley: or who is the image. Now wait just a minute. An image has, it has a description and it has some shape and has some form. He's the image of the invisible EL. Now this, they tell you every time they get up here, this invisible El, is invisible, you only see Him in visions and in revelations. Now in the flesh, He's a image here, it's just like this image here. And Adam was made in the likeness and image. And He is the image of the invisible El. Now how about that? What Yahweh is really doing is knocking out your stup.... Alright read on.
Reader: the first cause of all crea...
Dr. Kinley: The first cause. Now that's the first cause of all creation. Now I believe the King James Version says the first born. Is that right? Well now listen here. I don't like that word cause, like I do born. You know why, you know why I take a issue with it? Well now, I'll show you. You wouldn't be thinking about this like I would. When that angel flew over Egypt down there and where he didn't see that blood on the door, lintels of the door, the firstborn of both man and beasts were slain, the firstborn, the firstborn. So now, in Him taking on shape and form, and then He is the im..., He's the image of the invisible El, who is, He's the firstborn or the first cause as you got it there now. Now read the verse so they, so we can pick up with the book. Now read on.
Reader: for by him were all things created
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Dr. Kinley: Now listen here folks, now you don't need no sense. You don't need no college education to understand that He was the Creator Himself. Read it again Dr. Harris.
Reader: For by him were all things created
Dr. Kinley: Now, for by Him were all things created. Now listen if by Him all things are created there cannot be anything before Him. That's the reason why I said there's no such thing as before, because He is the Creator Himself. For by Him were all things created. Somebody says, 'Well, maybe in the earth.' Read on.
Reader: That are in heaven
Dr. Kinley: Now that is in heaven. Don't make no difference what it is. By Him all things were created; Michael and Gabriel and all the angels and everything were created by Him. Now there can't be anything before Him. That's a matter of absolute impossibility. But we've been taught that all our lives. And it's just corroded in our minds. And we think there was something before Him, but I beg your pardon. Listen, read on.
Reader: that are in heaven and that are in earth
Dr. Kinley: that are in heaven or that is, that are in earth.
Reader: visible and invisible
Dr. Kinley: Now it doesn't make any difference whether it's visible and invisible. Now you get, did you get the point? Now ____ ____ you ought not to be letting anybody tell you there's any such thing as BC. You just ought not to. But now I understand when they talking on when they say BC. I could say this, BBY, before the birth of Yahshua the Messiah or before He comes through the loins of a woman. Now He existed before then and He was the one that told, the prophets that He was coming that way. Now if you want me to read it, I definitely will read it. And your Bible does say so. Is that alright, Freddy? Since He's so polytechnical, down here we're gonna be technical. We're gonna test you any way you go.
I went to the doctor last Friday, a week ago, last Friday. And he put the stethoscope on my chest, and told me to breathe. Doctor said, he told me to breathe. And I had a ____ breathed through my nose. He said, 'Breathe through your mouth.' Now, I knew why he said that, cause when you breath through your mouth... (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Breathe through your nose. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And that noise is registered in that stethoscope. How am I doing doc? Am I doing alright? See how technical we are down here. Yes indeed. Now, you got that far?
Now I, I wanna, wanna call attention now back to where, where we were now, so that you don't make this blunder no more. Now we got here the earth. Now this is Genesis 1:1. Suppose you go back there now. And we were saying that all
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things are created by Him and without Him there wasn't nothing created, both visible an invisible. And He was the first born of everything, which is nothing else other that Yahweh just taking on shape and form.
You know it's nice when you can get down to making sense out of it, out of things, things you read in the Bible. Then you have some..., listen, you have something stable, you have something infallible, you have something concrete, you have something irrefutable, you have something that is undeniable, you have something that you can stand upon. You have something that you cannot gainsay. You have something that you cannot resist without condemnation. You understand it. Alright, read doc.
Now this is what we're after. Now we're showing you on this chart. When you go on this chart, we're showing you the creation of heaven and earth, all like that; six days of it. Now remember, don't forget now. If one day with Him is 1000 years, I'll try to put this up here.., and He worked six days and you got 6000 years. Now that is, that's gonna bring you back to this. What does it say there at, in, in, at, at the top of your page in chronology, in Genesis there, the first chapter. But, does it say four... It says 4004. Now notice this folks, listen at me now, pay attention. It could not be 4000 and 4. That's that would mean 4000 and 4 years. One day with Him is not as 1000, and I day multiplied by 4, which meant 1004. It's not that way, it's got to be even. 1000. No hangover. One day with Him is a thousand years, not as a thousand and one year, multiplied by 4 to make it 4000 and 4 years. That's not so. Now that's written, and I gave you Bible for it. Psalms 90:4 and II Peter 3:8. Then right here you have a day by day account up here in the Genesis. Now where's this.., now look folks, this is important, this is important. Now if you can follow me now, you're good and you almost got the lesson learned. I want you to, go over and pick up there in Genesis, and turn to the 24th chapter of Exodus, and I think about the 16th verse.
Reader: and the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mount Sinai
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: and the cloud covered it six days
Dr. Kinley: Now the cloud covered it six days. Now you got a what there?
Reader: a colon.
Dr. Kinley: You have a colon. What is a colon? This is a colon. I could have just drew it this way. (DR. KINLEY WRITES ON THE BLACKBOARD.) D A Y S colon. Now from, then, aft, after that what, what's after that Dr. Harris?
Reader: and the seventh day
Dr. Kinley: and the seventh day. And, that's a conjunction. The seventh day. What happened then?
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Reader: He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now look folks, look right up here to me, look up here. Now I want you to get Revelations 10:4. Now here's what I'm doing, so you can see. I'm taking the Genesis and the Revelations and putting them together and bringing it right on down and carrying it all the way, to put these together. Now then, listen folks. What's happened here is this. This book is sealed with seven seals that are opened by the lamb of Yahweh. No man in heaven, Michael, Gabriel, none of 'em was able to open the book, nor to loose the seals. John said, I wept much, because no man was able to open the book. He's seeing a vision, just like Moses is seeing a vision here. Now there's something else I wanna say there too, and that's this: now notice, Moses goes through, in the first chapter of Genesis, Moses goes through and tells you what he sees up there in that vision. Now I've tried to point this out, because a lotta times people make a mistake on this. Now Moses at the burning bush, he saw a vision, but this, this was not the first vision, this up here. He saw a vision at the burning bush before he saw this, both of them. And I'm very, very particular. Now let me see if I can say this. Now you hold on tight. Hold it, hold on tight. Now what we're talking about is what happened during these six days. It's not there. This is at Genesis beginning at 1:1. Oughta read that. Right there. Right there is where you've got the account. Now here's what we have done. Now listen, everybody listen. Now we took Genesis, the first and second chapter out of Genesis and put 'em in Exodus, in order to tell you what happened during them six days. Right? Do you see that? Now I asked you to read Revelation 10:4.
Reader: And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices.
Dr. Kinley: Now when the seven thunders had uttered their voices
Reader: I was about to write
Dr. Kinley: I was about to write. Then what?
Reader: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me.
Dr. Kinley: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me.
Reader: seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered
Dr. Kinley: seal them up
Reader: and write them not
Dr. Kinley: And don't write 'em. Why not? Already written. Seal up. He's got to know the end of the thing, seal it up. Seven thunders first.., after the seven thunders uttered their voices. Now let me show you what we're talking about. Here if you start to read in Genesis. Now Moses is having this vision up here in the Mount, Mount Sinai. And listen, read the last verse. We don't never say nothing much about this; of the 24th chapter, I want the last verse.
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Reader: And the sight of the glory of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: and the sight of the glory of Yahweh
Reader: was like a devouring fire
Dr. Kinley: was like a devouring fire. Consummation, folks, that's what I'm talking about. A consuming fire. That's why Peter said what He did in the third chapter. Consummation of all things. And it was in the eyes of the children of Israel like a consuming fire on the top of that mountain. Now go back to Genesis 1:1.
Reader: in the beginning
Dr. Kinley: in the beginning
Reader: Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Dr. Kinley: Now Moses is telling you something there. He's just telling you in the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth. Alright, read on.
Reader: and the earth was without form and void.
Dr. Kinley: And the earth, he's describing it to you now. That it's without any shape and any form. Alright read on.
Reader: and darkness was up on the face of the deep
Dr. Kinley: and the darkness was upon the face of the deep
Reader: and the spirit of Elohim moved upon the face of the waters
Dr. Kinley: and the spirit of Elohim moved upon the face of the waters
Reader: And Elohim said
Dr. Kinley: And El, now wait a minute, here come that thundering voice. Here come the thunder. 'Let there be light,' the thunder. And there was light. The seven thunders uttered their voice. And each day you'll find that thundering voice. Just like when He thundered His voice from Mount Sinai. Mount Sinai just trembling and shook. The Children of Israel, and even Moses said, 'I fear and quake,' or I fear and tremble. The seven thunders, them seven days. six days of creation and the seventh day He rested. Now John has to witness this, but don't write it, because He's at the end. Now look, Moses is seeing this way and John is turned this way. And Moses is behind him. And He heard the voice behind him of something that happened before that. And he's in the end of the thing. And he heard the voice behind him and he turned to see. And when he saw it. He's shown that one walking in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks. And there's seven stars in His right hand. And he said, he fell at His feet ____. Now that let's you know, if you just want to have just a fractional glimpse, that would let you
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know this, as John describes Him there. Said His feet was as burning brass, and He had on, walking in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks. Why can't you see here? You have to be in the light before ever you can see anything or understand anything. You're plunging around in the dark. Now listen, let me say this to you. He is the Sanctorium of Sanctoriums, we're in Him. Now how about that? And that's what that sanctuary shows. We're standing in the Holy Place. We're in Him. That's Him transfigured and we're in Him. And He is the Sanctorium of Sanctoriums. And no man goeth unto the Father but by Him. There's no way to get in there but only by Him. He is the way, the truth and the life, and no man goeth unto the Father but by him. Now have you gotten, have you been listening thus far, paid attention. Now then, let me go back now and pick up now. Let me go back and pick up. Now, now you have to do this. Go right back to the 24th chapter and get the same verse, I think it's the 15th verse.
Reader: And the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mount Sinai
Dr. Kinley: um hum.
Reader: and the cloud covered it six days
Dr. Kinley: um hum. Now read.
Reader: and the seventh day
Dr. Kinley: and the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. Now, now look folks. Now go over in Genesis. Now that same seventh day that you're reading about here in Genesis. That's the same day that he's talking about right here.
Reader: thus the heavens and the earth were completed.
Dr. Kinley: Um hum
Reader: and all their hosts
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: and on the seventh day
Dr. Kinley: Um hum
Reader: Elohim completed His work which He had made.
Dr. Kinley: Um hum. Now look, when people that don't understand the vision and the revelation, they think that Adam knew something about the sabbath day. And say that way back there in Genesis, and them people all down through there that knew all about the seventh day. They didn't even know a thing about it. Moses wrote what you just read. And he didn't write it up in the mountain either. He wrote it after he came down out of the mountain. And he told you what all
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happened during them six days, there in Exodus. Now listen. Then that means this: that the Exodus, Exodus means going out or a departure from it. Then the Exodus then has got to be before the Genesis. They had to come out, make an exodus out of Egypt into the wilderness before he saw the vision of the creation. So the Exodus is before the Genesis. Now, how about that. Now watch. Now you have started reading there in the first chapter of Genesis in the first verse, He said that, how that, how the earth was inundated, and the spirit of.., just like Yahweh Elohim moved upon the face of the water. And Yahweh said, 'Let there be light and there was light.' Is that what you read? You sure that's what you read? Well now look, when Noah comes along and he's preaching to the people. Now look, I'm talking about the spirit of Yahweh moving upon the face of the waters. Now that's what I'm talking about. Noah, he comes along, he's preaching to the people 120 years. And then went in the ark and the, the flood occurred. And then the ark, it moved upon the face of the waters, and all life was in the ark. The spirit moved on the face of the waters. That was an end of a world, or an end of an age. Now it's got to be duplicated; just continued on that way. And Yahshua the Messiah was crucified and buried in Joseph's new tomb, resurrected from the dead. And you have that in Matthew 12:40, and as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, even shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, and He resurrected from the dead. Are you listening? And Peter.., there of them, said he's going a fishing. And they went going out a fishing. You wouldn't know what it was all about unless you understood what it's all about. They went out there, seven of 'em. Try 21st and the 20 and first chapter of John and they was out there fishing. Now they fished all night. It makes me think about this Roman Catholic doctrine of demons. They don't know the difference between breakfast and supper. You call it the passover feast. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Alright now. That, after he resurrected from the dead, He's over here on the shore, prepared a big fish. Now that was a, that was a big one too. What'd he do that for? Don't you see down here in Jonah, that Yahweh Elohim prepared a fish that swallowed up Jonah, and the waters were troubled there... And Peter, as they called him, was Simon Bar Jonah. Old Jonah was right there with them, right in the boat, right down in the boat fishing all night and hadn't caught a thing. Fishing. Now listen folks, now you can argue, and chew the rag all you want to; if you fish on the wrong side of that boat, stay all night, you ain't going to catch a thing. You've got to get over in this dispensation and this age before you're going to catch anything. Put your net down on this side. 'What are you talking about on this side?' Or on this, in this dispensation and in this age. Then here he come up with 153 fish. Now He had said to 'em, 'Children, do you have any meat?' They didn't have none. Said, 'We've been fishing all night, ain't caught a thing, we ain't got nothing yet.' 'Put your net down on the other side.' He said, 'Well never,' Pete said, 'nevertheless, at your word we'll let her down. ' So they let the net down, and they caught 153 fish. Right? That was tallied. And he called to 'em, said, 'Come and dine.' Peter jumped out of the boat, there he went out and he jumped out of the boat and he went onto the shore. Now that was old Jonah. Do you understand it? And here it is the grave, that's Joseph's new tomb was just like the belly of the fish. Now here He comes up out of the belly of the fish or up out of, out of the, or out of Joseph's new tomb, and now He says, 'Come and dine.' Come and eat the fish or come and eat up the grave; so death, you read in the 15th chapter of I Corinthians there: death is
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swallowed up in victory. That's what they ate, the grave. And was old Jonah that was out there eating up the grave. Death is swallowed up in victory and He brought Life and Immortality to Life. Now do you see that boat moving upon the water there again and ole Peter and them in it? The seven of 'em, He made the eighth. And then you count how many was within the ark there.
Student Body: Eight. Eight.
Dr. Kinley: You see that now? See how He moved upon the waters. Oh boy, it's beautiful when you see what it's all about. You just standing around saying, 'Well, faith comes by hearing.' You're reading now. You have hope, that's what your problem is. You haven't heard how this thing goes together. And then when you get, hear how the thing goes together, then it becomes a new thing all together. You find out the devil can't see anything, he just can't touch it nohow Now do you see? Now there's one other thing that I wanna show you. And I have to, try to do this kinda quick. Now I said, this, these, BY it should be, 4000 is 1490. Now here's why that is. The creation had already taken place. And this is 1490 years that Moses is seeing a rerun of the creation. It's 1490 that he's seeing a rerun of it. And listen now folks, I've tried to tell you that the creation took place in the realm of eternity. Now Moses is just caught up in his consciousness within that realm. And he is seeing a vision. He's unconscious of any environment or anything at all. And he's seeing that vision. And the same is true with John on the Isle of Patmos. And the same is true with all of the rest of the prophets. Now do you follow through there I'm talking about. So then BC 4004 really is, is, is 1490. Now I wanna talk about the 1490 for a second. Then by the pattern, you got to do it Adam lived 930 years and he died. Now then seven days in a week. Seven times seven is 49. Well I could've done it the other way, this is the short way I'm trying to track it over here now. Seven times seven equals 49. Now that's seven weeks. Is it seven weeks? No, that ain't seven weeks, that's seven days. Or it's seven weeks, seven times seven weeks is 49 weeks. Is that right now? 4... Seven times seven is 49. 49, seven times seven is, there's seven days in a week. Now look folks, if you know how, you can check everything. Now I have on the board 14 9 0. Now then, back in this 1000, we'll have to come in here, forget this and just cut it off right out here. Now this 1000 that's in the 1490, this would be the one day. And then this would be, since you got 70 here, starting with Adam, then he, and Adam died 70 years short of one day. Then you multiply seven times seven is 490. That's the 490. That's that cycle of which the 70 weeks. That comes right back and picks that man up, Adam, where he died at. For he died at 930 or 70 years or years short of 1000. Then if you multiply the time that he was back there. Multiply 70 times seven times, then you got 490 years. Now then here's what's back here. There's 490 years from coming out of Egypt to the building and dedication of that temple. That's what's that is. Now you got 490 years or 70 times seven. You remember when Peter asked Him, says, 'Master, if thy brother sin against me, how often shall I forgive him, until the seventh times?' He said, 'seventy times seven, 'is 490 years. Do you remember how long Israel was down in Egypt? How long?
Student Body: 400 years
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Dr. Kinley: 70 years. Now, I mean, Babylon, I'm talking about. They was in Babylon 70 years. Now do you follow, you get, you see how you have the times and all? They have to work right together. And the, the ark, got to have three stories. And then you don't see nothing here. But Ishmael was 40 years old when Isaac, Abraham was circumcised, it's over there in the ____ chapter of ____ ____. You'll find that it takes place there. So now, the point I'm trying to make here is this; is showing you how, through 70 weeks, 70 weeks that this thing covered to the dedication of that temple. That's the Outer Court, Holy Place and Most Holy Place, and so forth, carrying on, right straight on through here, always functioning and operating that way. Now, let's see if I can say this. Now Dr. Harris you're gonna have to help me here. Let me, give me your hand. Not gonna. Over here, put your hands back up. Now when this man is in good health, how many times does his pulse beat?
Student Body: 70.
Dr. Kinley: Well why's that? When it stops beating, you know something's happened there. That man is dead. So now list.., went right straight on back to Adam to show you that death in that man. Lived 900, and yes he died 70 years short of that 1000 years day with Him. In your pattern Israel on back and Moses told them this that if they didn't behave themselves when they went into the Land of Canaan... Don't, now don't let me go overtime and hold you folks so you just lose all I've been, good stuff I've been bringing to you. I've been holding back. (THE BELL RINGS) It's 10 o'clock. Well, we'll just stop here, we'll just stop here and call this one a day. And if you'll, been able to absorb anything there then I was discussing ____ ____ ____ forget it too.
STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
1974
Los Angeles, California
received from Lamar Greer
1 90 minute audio cassette
CATTLOG #: 74.01 LLD
transcribed by Dr. Sandra Giragosian and Cathy Fenti
proofread by Cathy Fenti, Michael Rothstein, and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. The first thing I want to say is that Dr. Dennis Droulard and several of 'em ____. That was the first thing I wanted to tell you so that you would know their whereabouts and so forth and so on.
The next thing I want to say is this. Everybody is talking about living in the last days. Really it's the last few prophetic seconds, not days. Now, everybody... I'm aware of the fact that... So I thought it was incumbent upon us to tell you something about it, so you can figure it out for yourself. To show you how it is done by the book. Now, I don't intend to take a long time to show you that, so you'll have to pay strict attention. 2nd Peter, the 3rd chapter, and the 8th or 9th verse, I believe it's, and Psalms 90:4.
Dr. Harris: But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
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Dr. Kinley: Now, listen here. Says beloved, be, don't be ignorant of this one thing. Here's one thing you just ought not to be ignorant about.
Dr. Harris: that one day
Dr. Kinley: that one day is
Dr. Harris: is with Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: is with Yahweh
Dr. Harris: as a thousand years,
Dr. Kinley: as a thousand years,
Dr. Harris: and a thousand years
Dr. Kinley: and a thousand years as one day. Now listen, folks. Now when you read the Bible, and you find out that Yahweh... I'm talking about the Genesis now, the first chapter. Each one of those days is calculated as a thousand years. So then, He would be 6000 years in creating the heaven and earth. Now, that makes me have to put down some figures over here on the board. Then He rested the next day. That's 6000, right?
Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's... equals 6, Freddy, come here and do this, or Dr. Harris or somebody, cause I'm in a hurry. I, I don't want to take up a lot of time, but I do wanna get this point over. So you, when you leave here today, I want you to see something about how this thing is done, so you will know something more about how time is calculated with Yahweh, and you'll understand the purpose a little bit better.
Now, that is six days, or 6000 years, now, that's with Yahweh. Now, why did I bring that up? I'll tell you the reason why I brought it up. He told Adam, the day, the day that he ate of the fruit of that tree, he would surely die. That's the 3rd chapter of Genesis, I believe. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Well, he'd partaken of the fruit of the tree. And a lot of people don't understand how it was that Adam lived 930 years, and had sons and daughters, after Enoch.., after he touched that tree or took of that fruit of that tree. They question it. They don't understand how the Bible is made up. Now with him, Adam died instantaneously, no sooner than he touched that fruit of that tree, and he died, that same day, between sunset, or sunrise and sunset. Is that clear to you now?
Student Body: Yes.
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Dr. Kinley: He died within his conscience, or his inner man died that day. Now, then, he lived 930 years, and if one day is as a thousand years with Yahweh, it took 930 years of that 1000 years to manifest itself in that, Adam died, lived and died in 930 years. Now, is that clear to you? Now then, if Yahweh worked six days, it's proven to 6000 years with Him. And we find now, and don't forget and don't overlook this, in talking with Adam and telling him, He's dealing with that one man, that's dealing with all of 'em.
Student Body: Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's dealing with all of them. Now then, there is another day: the Day of Yahweh. Now, that is not a thousand years long.
Now what we're trying to talk to you about is something about time and eternity. Now, we tell you that the creation took place in the realm of eternity. Eternity has no beginning and no end, no days, no nights, just in the realm of eternity. Yahweh is eternal, no time at all, there at all, so far as eternity is concerned. Now listen, it took Yahweh, are you listening now, to put time in eternity, not eternity in time. Now, that's with Yahweh.
Now, we've got another time to set up what we call prophetic time. Time for the precept and the purpose of Yahweh to be fulfilled within man's comprehension and understanding, those that He gives the spirit to. Now, what's that? One day is equal to a year. Now, just a minute. That's alright, you know where to put that doc. One day is equal to a year. Now, we've always taught you to go to the Law and to the testimony, or to the Law and the prophecy. Don't buy nothing, unless you can go to the Law and prophets, and, and, and, and, and, and understand it there.
Now, get this straight. Get this one straight. Because Yahshua the Messiah, comes in, or has come in through the loins of the virgin, listen at me now, He is fulfilling what is written in the Law and prophets. Now, He has to do that on time. He just can't come in at any, any time, and do any kinda way. Now the reason why I'm bringing all this up this morning, is because Christendoom don't know nothing about it. Now, Adam lived 930 years.
Alright Ezekiel... Now, is where.., now, those of you have pencils and pad, put it down, look it up, and maybe you'll understand better. Ezekiel 4:6. Read it.
Dr. Harris: And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Dr. Harris: and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days:
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Dr. Kinley: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
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Dr. Kinley: Now, that's the prophet. Now, that ain't no good, unless we can confirm that in the Law. So then, we have to go to Numbers. Put it down, Freddy.
Reader: After the number of the days in which ye surveyed the land, even forty days,1
Dr. Kinley : Uh huh.
Reader: each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Dr. Kinley: Un huh. Now, did everybody hear what he said? If you don't hear... I want everybody to hear in the back. Get up and scream it, so that, so that, so that the people can understand what we're talking about. We want some understanding about the thing now.
Reader: After the number of the days in which ye surveyed the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.2
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's Yahweh talking to the man. Now, listen, here, it was just only forty days journey through here. That's all. But when the disobeyed, then it was forty years. One day for a year. Now, it's that way in the Law, and that way in the prophets. So now, what we're doing is setting up... Yahweh is setting up time, the time He's going to deal with man, and appoint the death for him, and deal with him, and in fulfilling the scriptures and confirming the divine authenticity of the Bible, by divine revelation. You follow?
Now, you didn't read, I don't think you read the... Psalms 90:40, Peter 3:8 or 9, I believe it is.
Dr. Harris: Psalms 90:4.
Dr. Kinley: Psalms 90:4.
Dr. Harris: For a thousand years
Dr. Kinley: For a thousand years
Dr. Harris: in thy sight
Dr. Kinley: in thy sight
Dr. Harris: are but as yesterday
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1 Numbers 14:34
2 Numbers 14:34
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Dr. Kinley: are but as yesterday
Dr. Harris: when it is past,
Dr. Kinley: when it is past,
Dr. Harris: and as a watch
Dr. Kinley: and as a watch in the night. You got it? Now, that was Yahweh. Now, that means, in dealing with the man, the man lived 930 years and died. Now, now Dr. Hobbs would take him to the cemetery. But that day that he touched that fruit of the tree, instantaneously he died. Now, that's right where you have to go back to resurrect that man from, in his conscience, the living and the dead. That's why that age he lived is called what?
Student Body: Age of Conscience.
Dr. Kinley: Age of Conscience. And it continued on, until something was done about it. That's the reason why sacrifices was offered up. A daily sacrifice under the Law, every day, until there wasn't any more being in transgression. And you read here, there was none righteous, no, not a one.3
Now, folks, we have come down to the place in time where we must know something about it. And I want to get this over to you, too. I wanna let you I know it. And you know it.
Everybody... Yahshua the Messiah, the 24th chapter of Matthew. I want you to look at that. And He said that except those days be shortened, there would be nobody saved.4 You're wondering what the hell is happening in your house, between you and your wife, and between you and your children. Everybody sitting in hell.
Student Body: That's right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now, that's what's going on in your house. No, you don't need to try to say it ain't going on in my house, cause it is. And that's your address. And then, not only that, this house.
Student Body: Whew. Huh.
Dr. Kinley: Get them houses straight. For sure, this is a serious time, and everybody is having problems.
I don't know whether you know it or not, but the Roman Catholic Church lost over 40... how many?
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3 Romans 3:10 and Psalms 14:3
4 Matthew 24:22
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Student Body: Million. Forty Million.
Dr. Kinley: ...forty million just in this one year. Now, we've got the statistics at home. We'll bring it down and show 'em to you, and let you read 'em. Forty million. Yahweh has given those whom He has sent in this last day, power to preach the gospel. And He's given the Devil power. These be the days of vengeance that all things must be fulfilled.5 And you are having a problem; you can't tell me you're not. And I'm talking about everybody. Yes, indeed.
Now, ____ got right on down, when the Messiah was here, He said His hour had not yet come, talking to His disciples. And finally by and by, when He got down to that hour, He says my hour is come.6 Now, I'm gonna show you how, what we're talking about there, because a lot of people don't understand, don't know a thing about it. Now Adam, they say how long was he in the Garden?
Student Body: Forty days.
Dr. Kinley: He was in there 40 days. Somebody say, 'Well, how do you know how long he was in there?' Now here's what Christendoom don't do. They don't do this, that I'm fixing to show you. Now, if His hour has come, and He's gonna fulfill what's in the Law and in the prophecy... Now remember, this is in the garden. Now they never, no none, they never come on over here and show the Garden of Gethsemane, and hook it up with the Garden of Eden. Now remember, I told you His hour had come. Now, if you put one hour in the following, and see what you got there. How long is He in the Garden of Gethsemane? Just one hour. Who was He? You're dealing with the Lord incarnate or Yahweh incarnated in a body. And they don't say nothing to you about that. They don't know nothing about it. Just one hour. Now, that one hour is about 41 years, 40. Now, put this down. He lived or went in His ministry which is about 30 years old. Read there somewhere, doc, in Luke there. Where, where is it at? Luke...
Student: Luke 3:23.
Dr. Kinley: Luke 3:23.
Dr. Harris: And Yahshua himself began to be about thirty years of age,
Dr. Kinley: ...began to be about thirty years of age. Hey, wait a minute, there. Something's happened here. You remember Adam lived 930 years, and he died. Now, Yahshua is the second Adam. He was Yahweh from Heaven. So, He's got to go in His ministry, and He's about 30 years. Now then you got 70 left here, 70. Now, Daniel 24th verse.
Mary Gross: Seventy weeks
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5 Luke 21:22
6 John 17:1
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Dr. Kinley: Seventy weeks
Mary Gross: are determined
Dr. Kinley: or years, of years.
Mary Gross: are determined upon they people
Dr. Kinley: are determined upon thy people
Mary Gross: and upon thy holy city,
Dr. Kinley: and upon the holy city,
Mary Gross: to finish the transgression,
Dr. Kinley: to refrain transgression,
Mary Gross: and to make an end of sins,
Dr. Kinley: and make an end of sin offerings,
Mary Gross: and to make atonement for iniquity.
Dr. Kinley: and to make atonement for iniquity,
Mary Gross: and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
Dr. Kinley: and to make atonement for iniquity,
Mary Gross: and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
Dr. Kinley: and to bring in everlasting righteousness, this, well, whatever
Mary Gross: and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
Dr. Kinley: and to complete or to seal up the prophecy,
Mary Gross: and to anoint the most Holy.
Dr. Kinley: and to anoint the most Holy. Now, that means that 70 weeks, from which, which is 490 years... Now, there's 490 years in that cycle. Now, get this straight. When they come up out of here, around through here, now, we'll give you the time here. And builded that Temple. This cycle, from there to the dedication of the Temple, 490 years. That's a cycle.
Now, every time you turn around, you have to be on time. Yahweh's never late with nothing. He has got to fulfill them things right on time. Now, well, this is 70. Where'd you get 70 from?
Dr. Allen, Jr.: from the ...
Dr. Kinley: in prophetic time
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Dr. Allen, Jr.: 70 weeks of years
Dr. Kinley: 70 weeks of years. Multiply this one. Adam lived 930 years, and he died, he died 70 years shy of one day. You heard me. So now, 70 years is become... So then you multiply that by 7. Then you got this time that Israel had to finish the transgression and Yahweh bring in everlasting righteousness. Right? Now, I don't have time, and I don't wanna take up a lot of time with the that, but I'll just say it this way.
Now, you got 600 years up here. Now listen, folks. Every 50 years... Well, I'll put it this way first. The 50th... I'm talking about the Day of Pentecost now. Pentecost means 50. Fifty days after they went through the Red Sea, Yahweh called them up to the mountain and He spoke to 'em. Fifty-three days from here to the Red Sea and to the mountain. It was just 50 days from here, and three days they cleaned up, and He spoke to them on the 50th.
Now listen, Pentecost come every year. Every 50 years was a Year of Jubilee. It took them 50 Pentecosts to make a Year of.., not the Day of Pentecost, not a day, but the whole year now, the Year of Jubilee. Now, then, Freddy, put 50 into 6000. Now what have you got?
Dr. Allen, Jr.: 120
Dr. Kinley: You've got 120.7 Can you find 120 anywhere else?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: You see that now? Noah preached 120 years. Right? I'll cut it up short, and go right back and show you another one. He builded the ark and preached 120 years. The ark was to save somebody's soul, and that was involved in the end of that age. Yahshua said it would be in the end of other age, 120. Now look, St. Peter's Basilica, what we just got through telling you about it, was started to build 1506, and finished 1626 ____ ____. You got 120. That's right there by the book, right by the book. You got 120.
Now, this is the, this is to lose 'em and the ark is to save 'em in. What I'm, the reason why I brought that up is I want you to see what's going on now, and how hard it is to explain. Now look, let's get after this one, Freddy. Put them, put them ages back down there, and tell me how, how many years there was according to Usher, or Asher and add them together. The Antediluvian...
Dr. Allen, Jr.: The Antediluvian was 1656.
Dr. Kinley: That's 1656. That's a short one. An age, listen folks, is approximately 2000 years long. Two thousand. A millennium is 1000. Talking about time. That's all I'm talking about this morning. I don't want you to be dumb no more.
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Dr. Allen, Jr.: The Antediluvian, Antediluvian Age is 2377, I mean the Antediluvian Age is 1656. The Postdiluvian Age is 2377, and the Present Age was around ____ from the death of the Messiah down to the present time is 1941.
Dr. Kinley: Now put them together. Add them up. I'm trying to find out... We're trying to find out where we are, so we know how to behave ourselves. So we know what's going on.
Dr. Allen, Jr.: 5974
Dr. Kinley: 5974.8 Right? Now, subtract that from your six days, and you'll find you don't have another Jubilee, Year of Jubilee. We're waiting for that now. Now, here's what you got. You subtract it that from there. Now, he's got 26 years.9 Now listen folks. Listen to what I'm saying now. That's the long way. And remember, Yahshua the Messiah, said that except those days be shortened, there wouldn't be nobody saved. No flesh. Now, that ought to give you some idea about the situation and the condition the world is in. So you'll know.
Now there's one other thing... I have to bring this in. I just have to bring it in, so you can see a little better. Now, put down AD 34, that's the 33 1/2. Now, how far is it from here to 1974, where we are? 1941, 1940. Now, that means, this is 1940. Now look, let's count this thing in, in thousands. Count 1,940. Now, here's what I'm after. This being 1974, from A.D. 33 1/2, 33 1/2 is going into the 34. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, if that be the case, then it's just only 40 years. Done been here 40 years now, time to move. I mean moving on out, cross through the vail. Do you understand what I'm talking about?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: In other words, from A.D. 33 to 1974... The difference between one and the other, it would get that 40 years. 10Now, you understand what I'm talking about?
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8 1656 years in antediuvian age
+ 2377 years in postdiluvian age
+ 1941 years from the death of the Messiah to the year of this class
5974 years from Adam to present time
9 6000 years of the creation
-5974 years of the creation
26 years left
10 1974
- 34
1940
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Now, I ought to tell you this. The Roman Catholic Church claims this, they're supposed to have 5 hundred and 70 some million. They say that the end of the age will come or the end of the world will come, or Yahshua the Messiah can jump down through the sky in 1975. Jehovah's Witnesses say 1975. The Church of God says 1975. Well, what do you think? I say that can't be. For you already done stayed your 40 years long. And you haven't yet got out this year.
Student Body: All right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, I didn't say you would be. And you oughta be one way or the other, getting straightened out, I'm talking about. Straighten out now and be ready. Once your 40 year sojourn is over with... Do you understand what I'm talking about?
Student Body: Uh huh
Dr. Kinley: Now, I thought it was necessary for me to come here and say something about these things, so you will know something about how to calculate time. Now, the Apostle Paul or Saul says this. Listen to what I'm saying now. Whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be prophecy, they shall fail.11 Now, here's what I'm after showing. In the cycle of time, as you have seen it out here, it's correct. Now, somebody's gonna fool with this and try to figure out just when He'll be here. And I'll tell you what you're, what you're gonna do, you're gonna make a mistake, cause He's already here.
Student Body: Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: And should be in you
Student Body: Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: But when He is revealed from heaven, I'm not talking about above the sun, moon, and stars, I'm talking about that state that the Apostle Paul talks about in the 2nd chapter of Ephesians, that He has made us sit together, Jew and Gentile, in heavenly places in Yahshua the Messiah. Now look folks, I've brought you down far enough through the perils and times spoken of this morning. And I've showed you that those ministers out there in the world don't, don't show you those things. And the reason why they don't show it, cause they don't know nothing about it.
Student Body: That's right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now somebody will say this, not knowing. Well now, I just got through telling you now, you'd better read that out of the book about Yahshua the Messiah says except those days be shortened.
Dr. Harris: Matthew 24:22.
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Dr. Kinley: Now, let me tell you what He's talking about. He's telling them that this, this temple that sits there in Mount Moriah, and they were showing it to Him, and how beautiful it was. And then He went on to tell them that there wouldn't be one stone left upon top of another that wouldn't be thrown down. And then they wanted to know more about it. So, then, He went on to tell them. And what did He say, Doc?
Dr. Harris: And except those days should be shortened,
Dr. Kinley: And except those... Well, let's just put this in for you. Titus come up. Well, the thing's started this way. I think you oughta know this.
The Apostle Saul was the one that started it. Having the letters from the High Priest and the authority from the High Priest to persecute those people that realized that they had come from under the Law over here, and they was under the New Covenant now, and they had just fasted and won't eat this no more this way. But they are partakers of the water of life. They are partakers of the bread, or the Holy Spirit, who'll never die. They are partakers of His bread of life. They never die, which all this was just a type and a shadow of this here.
And I want you to know this now. It wouldn't be complete unless I said this. The Kingdom is already established and you have been translated into it. I'm talking about the Kingdom of Heaven, I'm not talking abut the Roman Church, Catholic Church, and neither am I talking about the Baptist Church, I'm not talking about the Church of Christ, I ain't talking about none of these churches. I'm talking about the Kingdom. I'm not talking about the kingdom of Christ either. I'm not talking about the kingdom of Jehovah either. I'm not talking about the kingdom of the Lord either. Now I have to tell you this. If I didn't tell you this, then we would have occasion to blunder.
Now, here we are. We just now come back in these true names, that the gospel has got.., must be preached, in those names, as Yahshua the Messiah said. Then when you look out and see the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant churches using these names here, Lord, God, and Jesus Christ. Then you begin to wonder. You begin to open up your eyes and see what the perilous times that the apostles were talking about, and Yahshua the Messiah was talking about. You begin to see now, that those that are worshipping under those names are in total darkness, they don't see nothing. They don't know nothing about it. Which brings you right down to the the end, where we see now that there won't be but just a few walking around. And that's all you've known all of your life, is the crucified ____. And, unless you're in on the secret that you're living right down at the close, right down near the revelation and it can be expected at any time.
Now, that brings me up to say this too. Do you know when your next holy day is? Why'm I asking you the question for? I mean this year.
Student Body: April.
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Dr. Kinley: on April... April is the beginning of months with them, April or Abib or Nisan, that's Hebrew, when they offered up the paschal lamb down in Egypt. And that was typical of offering up your Messiah. It was dark down there in that land of Egypt, so it's got to turn dark over the face of the earth from the sixth to the ninth hour, when He's crucified. Just has to do it. And Yahweh waits til the cool of the day to drive Adam out, here out of the Garden, or chase him out in the night. That's the reason why all this is black along here. And that represents more than one thing. It represents darkness up here, and Egypt, as well as stygian black darkness at night.
Now listen folks. Just one more time I'm gonna tell you about it. Dr. Harris and Dr. Gary Mathess, and your secretary and I, we went down into Egypt, Cairo. And I'm cutting it up short now, because I told you I wanna get down. But I don't want you to be asleep. And we told these Arabs down there or the Egyptians. They asked the point blank question, 'If we go to war against Israel, will we win?' I said, Dr. Harris was the spokesman, I said, 'but I'll take that one.' I said, 'No.' The weapons of our warfare, in this age, they are not carnal or natural.12 So don't fight with no canons (cannons?), and no guns, and no bayonets, and no swords in this age. You can't win that way. We're all in a war, though. And I told them war is inevitable. You must fight, everybody. Fight the good fight, and you'll lay hold on eternal life.13 Everybody is enlisted in this one. Some grafted and some drafted ____ ____. Now folks, I told the man no.
Now look, I just want, I just wanna point this out. Now people are what I ever learning, as Paul said, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.14 These things can happen, happen right in your own day, and right under your nose, and still and yet you'll be walking along in ignorance. And you won't know nothing at all about the signs of the times. And it's going on.
Now let me show you what I'm talking about. There's a way back here 1490 BBY, when Joshua is walking out yonder here. When Yahweh incarnated in a physical body, brought them out down there, and Moses. Now they haven't learned their lesson yet.
And so I told them, 'No, you can't win.' So then they, now they were supposed to go to war. I don't know whether you know this or not. They were supposed to go to war the first of the year 1972, but they didn't make the grade. Something went wrong. The look scared of Israel. Sadat made several trips over to Russia to talk to Brezhnev and them about the weapons or the equipment that they had, was inadequate and incapable. They was obsolete. And they wanted more modern equipment. And when they didn't give it to them, then they were, run the trainees that go to the trainers in Russia, run about 20,000 of them out of there. The Russians out of there that was training the Egyptians. Egypt wasn't prepared
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13 I Timothy 6:12
14 II Timothy 3:7
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to go to war. Tried to postpone the thing. I'm on, I'm still talking about time, and Israel came on down and crossed over the Suez Canal.
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which was some 15 miles from Cairo with them big guns, now listen at what I'm saying, that encircled or surrounded ____ ____ Egyptians. They didn't even get the the Red Sea, just on the other side of the Suez Canal. They were about 15 miles from Cairo and there they were surrounded, they couldn't go back to Cairo and they couldn't go across the Suez Canal. Couldn't move. That same thing happened before, right here when that cloud, it was leading 'em, I'm talking about Moses now. Yahweh through Yahshua, Yahshua the Messiah, that cloud was not dark ____ from the cloud or from above and it got between Pharaoh and his host, and it was stygian black darkness. Pharaoh couldn't move, but it was light on the other side, Joshua and the children of Israel. Yahweh took that high wind to dry up that water there in the Red Sea, and they went on across the Red Sea on dry land. And just like Noah come on over here, and he's dry after the flood. Now then they couldn't move, now what they did was negotiate. 'Shouldn't we, we'll, right on ____.' So they negotiated and Henry Kissinger was over there. Now watch now. Keep your eye on it. He's in Saudi Arabia and also in Syria back up in here. That's where you get a lot of oil and they placed a, an embargo on it. Don't wanna let us have no oil, the United States. Don't forget now this high priest had to be anointed with oil and put this in, in the sanctuary, put in it the Holy Place. Then they had to consecrate everything in the Holy Place, got to be some more oil. Don't want you to sleep. It's okay. So then, they said they'd turn it off, millions of barrels of oil, they'd cut it off. And Henry Kissinger said, 'well, if you cut off the supply of oil from the United States, all of the equipment that you have, that you drill for the oil, will be torn down.' So then there was a leak, having negotiations. And they tell the Israelites and the Egyptians come to this conclusion, right back up in here, 40 to 50 days, we'll withdraw the troops from the Suez Canal. Don't you see the point? Coming right back in here. Then I'll show it to you over here. Those of you, I, I don't know whether I've explained it so you can understand it or not, I hope you've gotten something out of it. Now just one more thing. I want you to read. And yet I don't think you read 2 Peter 3:8.
Reader: But beloved
Dr. Kinley: But beloved
Reader: Be not ignorant of this one thing
Dr. Kinley: Now don't be ignorant of this
Reader: That one day
Dr. Kinley: That one day
Reader: is with Yahweh
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Dr. Kinley: is with Yahweh
Reader: as 1000 years
Dr. Kinley: as 1000 years
Reader: and 1000 years
Dr. Kinley: and 1000 years as one day. Read on.
Reader: Yahweh is not slack concerning his promise
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, listen folks, Yahweh is not slack concerning his promise. Now what, the way folks is got it now. Now Yahweh you give me what I want and you do what I want you to do. Dr. Harris has a letter that was turned over to him and I'll tell you what the letter said. The letter is from a lady in Marion, Ohio, where they live. And she talked with one of 'em in the school in Springfield, Allen Pritchard, and they told him about the many great miracles and all that's happened in our school, ____ them people too. Now this woman had arthritis, I don't know what else, diabetes. Is there anything else. Complication of the ____. Now she wants me to heal her on February the 4th. Is it the 1st? 1st of February, the, the 4th of February, I thought I was right. At 12:00 noon, LA time. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now she's willing to put up with it until February the 4th. But she believes that Yahweh will move in at that time to heal her. I'm just showing you how stupid some people are and we've got a whole lot of these old silly letters from people around. You've heard a lot of silly talk go on in here too. Said, 'if I'm who I said I am, what's the matter I don't do this and I don't do that and I don't do the other.' I ain't never healed nobody and neither has Yahshua the Messiah for that matter. How about that? He said it was His Father in Him that did the work. That's what did, that's what's doing the work around here. It ain't, it ain't Harris and Gross and Kinley, Allen and any of 'em. It's Yahweh's purpose and He's working it out on time. Finish reading there. Yahweh's not slack concerning His promise as some men count slackness.
Reader: but is longsuffering
Dr. Kinley: but is long to put up with you and your foolishness, just like He did back here in the flood, before the flood. Alright read on.
Reader: not willing that any should perish
Dr. Kinley: He's not willing that any should perish, but what?
Reader: but, that all...
Dr. Kinley: But that all should come to repentance. Read on.
Reader: But the day of Yahweh
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Dr. Kinley: But the day, that's now, now got to have that. Now, we've talked about that. But the Day of Yahweh, listen folks, that is that eternal day. It has been present all along and ____ ____ ____ these prophesies fulfilled that I been talking to you about. That Day has never started and has never ended and never will. The Day of Yahweh, what about it.
Reader: will come as a thief in the night
Dr. Kinley: Now look, you're looking right at all these things and unless somebody tell you, unless somebody show you, or unless Yahweh give you somebody that knows. And then when we do come into it. It's so strange as to what you've been hearing all your life and you think it's wrong. And somebody wants to dispute and argue and debate about it. I guess that's what they preach over in our church. You are a liar, they don't. Yahshua the Messiah was the only one that preached righteousness, and it's that way today. He's the only one preaching righteousness, not your pastor, not Robert Harris. That's what's got to be in Him to preach righteousness. And He come in His Father's name. And you got Him, you got to have that name. Now I tell you whether some of you know this or not, ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ what's going on. They're trying to ease, the Roman Catholics is, easing these names in, so are the Protestants easing these names in. They're beginning to write Bibles now, the jews, but I want you to know this.
this name Yahweh, has never been lost, since He told Moses about it. Ain't never been lost. No ____ ____ ____ ____. Go back and get encyclopedias and some good King James Versions of the Bible, got footnotes in it and read in your encyclopedia, Yahweh in there, but it's just not in the text. Says Yahweh's not slack concerning his promise as some men count suffering, slackness, but is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Is that right? Read on.
Reader: but the Day of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: But the day, now that's this Day of Yahweh.
Reader: will come as a thief in the night
Dr. Kinley: Now here it'll creep right upon you, while you're trying to make up your mind. Well now, you're trying to say, 'well now I've got some cleaning to do. I don't want to be no hypocrite. Whatever I'm going into. I'm gonna live the life, but I just ain't ready yet to start carry my coffin around on my back, quit eating pork, I got another pint left over there yet. ____ ____ a few more cigarettes.' That's all the devil knows, is telling you, he don't know nothing else. You'll give up something that eat or something that you drink, or something that you'll do and tell you, 'you got to clean up.' Now the very thing he's telling you to do is the very thing Yahweh told you not to do. And here's what that is. Paul says in the 2nd chapter of Colossians, 'touch not, taste not, handle not, where as all are to perish.' And your preachers says that cigarettes, that chewing tobacco, that case of Bourbon and whiskey ____ ____ ____ ____ it'll keep. Why? Because Moses who had said don't touch it, cause no sooner than you touch it, you got to be righteous. If you don't, it's condemnation. Your conscience tells you, ain't got no business drinking
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and you don't discern the body of Yahshua the Messiah. You don't discern that lie, they're setting up there telling you. That's right, do you understand me? Read on.
Reader: But the day of Yahweh will come as a thief in the night.
Dr. Kinley: But the day of Yahweh will come as a thief in the night. Read on.
Reader: in the which the heavens shall pass away.
Dr. Kinley: Now with the heavens, Jehovah Witnesses say, 'no it won't be sun, moon, and stars and the things out there; that, that, that ain't what was meant by that. But whatever you see that's created here is gonna pass away in the fire.' How'd you show that? Cause it's coming in, in the fire, if it's gonna be fulfilled, got to go out in fire. Now how about that. Read on.
Reader: and the elements shall melt
Dr. Kinley: the elements shall melt
Reader: with fervent heat
Dr. Kinley: with fervent heat
Reader: the earth also and the works
Dr. Kinley: and the works also, the earth also. Jehovah Witnesses say Psalmist said one generation goes and another cometh but the earth abideth forever.15 It all ain't never gonna leave, we gonna clean it up. Who around here ____ ____ ____. Alright, but the earth and the works therein shall be burned up. All of these things that you having so many problems with your benefits and getting your gas. Yes, yes and taxes, they've been having trouble with them ever since the Day of Yahshua the Messiah ____ send the boys down, Augustus Caesar imposed a tax on the whole world. And he had to send the boys down one time and look behind the fish's gill; get the money to pay the taxes. In all places and around, but you think the so called religions ____ ____ pay taxes on certain things. Alright read on.
Reader: seeing then that all things
Dr. Kinley: Now if you see that. Now there's somebody that don't see that. Seeing then that all ____ these shall be
Reader: shall be dissolved
Dr. Kinley: shall be dissolved or disintegrated or consumed
Reader: What manner of persons oughta you to be
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Dr. Kinley: Now what kind of a person ought you to be
Reader: in all holy conversation
Dr. Kinley: in all holy communications
Reader: and in righteousness
Dr. Kinley: and in righteousness
Reader: Looking for the hasting
Dr. Kinley: Looking for the hasting
Reader: unto the coming of the day
Dr. Kinley: unto the coming of the day
Reader: of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: of Yahweh
Reader: wherein the heavens
Dr. Kinley: wherein the heavens
Reader: being on fire
Dr. Kinley: being on fire
Reader: shall be dissolved
Dr. Kinley: just shall be dissolved
Reader: and the elements
Dr. Kinley: and the elements
Reader: shall melt
Dr. Kinley: shall melt
Reader: with fervent heat
Dr. Kinley: with fervent heat
Reader: nevertheless
Dr. Kinley: Nevertheless, hold it. Nevertheless, what.
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Reader: we
Dr. Kinley: we
Reader: according to his promise
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Now that's what I've been trying to tell you about. Prophetic time and this promise. Nevertheless we according to his promise.
Reader: look for a new heaven.
Dr. Kinley: Look for a new heaven
Reader: and a new earth
Dr. Kinley: a new earth
Reader: wherein dwelleth righteousness
Dr. Kinley: wherein dwelleth righteousness
Reader: wherefore
Dr. Kinley: wherefore
Reader: Beloved
Dr. Kinley: Beloved
Reader: seeing that you look for such things
Dr. Kinley: seeing that you look for such things
Reader: be diligent
Dr. Kinley: They talk to Dr. Harris, say, 'I don't think I'll go down there tonight. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ . And that's the little black nappy headed man who's telling the truth down at so called ____. He thinks he's so great, he's so important, I don't want to be, I don't want to be bothered with him. He don't, he don't amount to nothing.' Listen well, Dr. Harris, he's an educated man and a medical doctor. You think he is a smart one. And he gets up there and he's just as impudent as he can be, dogmatic. We are not preaching pragmatology, we're preaching dogmatology. Why because it's the Holy Spirit speaking through us. We don't have no apologies to make nobody to speak the truth. If you wanna go to hell, help yourself. That's right. Don't be taking it out on me. They did that once before. So you be diligent when time comes, come to school. Ain't no need in saying, 'don't go down there tonight.' You know it. You don't feel so good nohow, you've worked hard all day. I, you know these things. If I did like I felt, I, I wouldn't even be up here right now in my physical body. But you be diligent
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and you be punctual cause you have to have something to eat. You can't exist no more on these erroneous names, these erroneous names. You can't be, there ain't nothing you can do with that. You got to go where Yahweh is being preached. You got to be diligent too. Rain or shine. You know where, where it's preached, seeing that all this age, all the natural is just obsolete. You can't drive a car, behind on your payment, it's expected to foreclose the mortgage on the home, buying a house and everything else. Come on in. Don't be waiting outside trying to get some other mode of transportation, waiting till you get able. And the two of you get this other thing done, procrastination, and jeopardizing. Read on.
Reader: be diligent
Dr. Kinley: Be diligent
Reader: that you may be found
Dr. Kinley: that you may be found
Reader: of him in peace
Dr. Kinley: That you may be found of Him in peace
Reader: without spot
Dr. Kinley: without spot
Reader: and blameless
Dr. Kinley: and blameless
Reader: and account
Dr. Kinley: and account. Listen, listen now. And account
Reader: that the longsuffering
Dr. Kinley: that the longsuffering
Reader: of our saviour
Dr. Kinley: of our saviour
Reader: is salvation
Dr. Kinley: is salvation. Account that the long suffering of our saviour is salvation. Read on.
Reader: even as our
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Dr. Kinley: even, now here's where, here's where you get in trouble at even as our beloved brother Paul
Reader: Also
Dr. Kinley: That was made a minister of the gentiles and told you to lay off of these things over here. People talking about as even our beloved brother Paul speaking in all of his epistles ____ ____. Read on.
Reader: our beloved brother Paul
Dr. Kinley: our beloved brother Saul
Reader: also according to the wisdom
Dr. Kinley: according to this or His what? According to what?
Reader: the wisdom
Dr. Kinley: according to the divine intelligence or wisdom that is given unto him. Read on.
Reader: That's written unto you
Dr. Kinley: That's written unto you
Reader: And also in all his epistles
Dr. Kinley: And also in, listen, now I want you to get this one straight. A lot of folks haven't got this one straight yet. Now I want you to get this one straight this time, this time around. Now even as our beloved brother Paul has done what?
Reader: has written unto you
Dr. Kinley: has written unto you
Reader: in all his epistles
Dr. Kinley: in all his epistles
Reader: speaking in them
Dr. Kinley: speaking in them
Reader: of these thing
Dr. Kinley: of these things. Listen. Read.
Reader: in which are some things
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Dr. Kinley: in which are some things hard to be understood. Hard to be understood. 'What you talking about?' Here's some minister, it's hard for him to understand how Yahshua the Messiah told him, fulfilled all those natural things and moved 'em out of the way and caught him on up to the 3rd heaven and showed him spiritual things and how the natural things point to the spiritual and now he's speaking in all of his epistles of these things in which some things are hard to be understood by those. Read on.
Reader: which they that are unlearned
Dr. Kinley: which they that are unlearned
Reader: and unstable
Dr. Kinley: and unstable, unlearned and unskilled in what I've been trying to show to you this morning.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: dib dabbling around in natural things, in water baptisms, Lord Suppers. They're unlearned and unskilled, and yet and still Paul speaks of them in his epistles. Hold it right there for a second. Let's get one place where he spoke of it. 8th chapter of Romans 1st verse.
Reader: there is therefore
Dr. Kinley: Now listen he said, ____. That's the age of conscience back there, being ignorant they offered up all kinds of sacrifices, conscience. Yahweh knows better than doing that. Everybody's coming along trying to do something, guilty conscience, conscience bothering them. Okay. Now Paul is saying here, there is therefore. Now, right now in, listen at me in this present age, in this present dispensation of Yahweh. What?
Reader: There is therefore now no condemnation
Dr. Kinley: Listen buster. You can preach all you want to, ____ ____ ____ all up and down the floor, you ain't bothering me a bit. Water baptism, it ain't bothering me a bit. As the world says, Rod Channer in Canada says, only man I know in the world could preach is Yahshua the Messiah, when He come through the loins of a woman, He was fulfilling, that's what He said He was doing; some say He's instituting. But now Paul said there's therefore now no condemnation in this present age. This is a spiritual dispensation and the natural is out and we're into the spirit. And Dr. Allen, I heard him say this morning, the Messiah in you. And that's why some of 'em have got up here out here and walked out. (DR. KINLEY STOMPS AROUND IMITATING SOMEONE LEAVING) 'Talking about him being God in a body.' Well this is God's body. It's His spirit, it's His soul, and you ain't got nothing. Now what are you talking about? He's the only one that does have a body, you ain't got none, if you understand. You want to throw off on me because I do. Now that's what the difference is, but it don't condemn me, it don't
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get me worked up. Read on, Dr. Harris.
Reader: There is therefore now
Dr. Kinley: There is therefore now no condemnation
Reader: to them which are in
Dr. Kinley: to them which are in
Reader: Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua the Messiah. Now watch now. That are in Yahshua the Messiah. Now you have to hold that one tight, right there and go to I Corinthians 12:13. And we'll be back. I'm now, now what I'm trying to find out now is how you got in Him.
Reader: for by one spirit
Dr. Kinley: Oh no, not water, brother Baptist, for by one sp... that's one of the things that's hard to be understood. Now bout that. That's what we're talking about when the things hard to be understood, even as our beloved Paul in all his epistles speaking of these things. Said for by one spirit
Reader: are we all baptized into one body
Dr. Kinley: Are we all both jews or gentiles, are baptized into the one body
Reader: whether you be jew or gentile
Dr. Kinley: Don't make no difference whether you are jew or gentile
Reader: whether you be bond or free
Dr. Kinley: whether you be bond or free
Reader: and have all been, all made to drink into one spirit
Dr. Kinley: They've been all, been made to drink. Now that's how you got in Yahshua the Messiah. Now ain't nobody else gonna let you in. Now I, I wanna put this one down right here. Now they were circumcised for you 8 days after birth. I'm talking about Israel for you, the uncircumcised; you. And to make a long story real short, He was baptized when they, John baptized Him, it's a physical or natural thing, because it was done to fulfill, not to institute Christian water baptism. Alright. When John baptized him, he baptized His whole body. You have never seen nobody that hasn't been baptized, ____ ____ it just can't happen, but they were baptized into His death. And then, look at that chart down there in Egypt, this is what I wanna show you. Them things is hard. When that child is in the womb, immersed in the water. Right. Just as this one up here,
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immersed in the bosom of the Father. And all this natural ____. Now Paul is explaining and they're hard to be understood. Ain't that right, Dr. Williams.
Dr. Williams: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's where he got some of his baptism from. Alright read on, doc.
Reader: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Yahshua the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: That are in Yahshua the Messiah
Reader: who walk not
Dr. Kinley: Now hold that, hold that right there now. Said they don't walk after the flesh to the jew who has this as the 10th chapter of Romans said, behold Israel after the flesh. And we don't walk after the flesh. Well what do we walk after?
Reader: after the spirit
Dr. Kinley: but after the spirit. You are reading out of the Bible. Alright, read on.
Reader: for the law of the spirit of life
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, not this law continuing on. Carnal ordinance, but the law of the spirit of life. The law. See this in here, ____ ____ ____ but the law of the spirit of life.
Reader: in Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: in Yahshua the Messiah. Now listen folks, read doc.
Reader: has made me free
Dr. Kinley: As Paul said, it made him free
Reader: from the law of sin and death
Dr. Kinley: from the law of sin and death. Now how about that. Now you can't teach that ____ ____. And you gentiles, you never had it in the first place. Nobody never said nothing to you about it. That's not even in the almanac. When you see it doc, then you look out on the world and get the statistics of the so called many Christians in the world or righteous people in the world. They think a lot, cause they study. And in conclusion I think that it's in Peter there.
Reader: in which are somethings
Dr. Kinley: in which some things
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Reader: are
Dr Kinley: Now look now. The reason why I went back there, now He says but even as our beloved brother Paul in all of his epistles, speaking of in them all these things of which some things are hard to be understood. Alright, read on.
Reader: which they that are unlearned
Dr. Kinley: Now they that are ignorant
Reader: and unstable
Dr. Kinley: unstable
Reader: wrest, as they do also
Dr Kinley: Now, now, wait now. I want you to see what he's done here. I want you to see what Peter's done. He said that all of Paul's epistles, that Paul is speaking of these things, which some things in his epistles are hard to be, and understood by them that are uneducated, or unlearned, or unskilled, in the purpose of Yahweh. Follow? And not only that, in his epistles. Now here's, here's where, here's ____ about the book. Read.
Reader: as they do also the other scriptures,
Dr. Kinley: as they do also the Law and the Prophets. They don't know nothing about no parts of none of it. That's what he said. That's what he said. Oh, I tell you. I know the time's just about expired, but I didn't intend to take it. But I thought that you should know something about what's going on, and see the necessity of these true names which were written in your Bible to begin with. And that you should know something about prophetic time. And ____ ____ and how ____ ____ in the situation and the condition that the world is in today. I thought it was necessary that we get up here and say, and point it out to you, so that you could see, see how close you were, see how predictions are, next year to the end. Listen, folks, the world ended, the age ended as far as Yahweh is concerned in 1960. To show you another end of it... It ended back here. He declared the end from the beginning all the way. Another thing, it hadn't yet been done, so far as Yahweh was concerned, just like He told Noah. You make you an ark for the end of all flesh is, said, is come before Me, already.
Now, what we're doing, we're showing you, trying to wake you up and show you that you just don't have but a few prophetic seconds. And went back there and showed you these Israel, these Egyptians. They haven't learned yet and that's in them out here folks. And you and your little understanding of life, you been wrestling all around with different sects and cults and creeds and whatnot, and into Moses baptisms, and eating Lord's suppers, traditions, and customs and ideologies and things. And you know absolutely nothing about the Law of the Spirit of Life which is in Yahshua the Messiah that He made us free from the Law of sin and death. Now, that junk just ain't gonna work folks. Now, we, we have
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to get you off of those things. Somebody says, 'Well, I can't see it. I beg your pardon, don't you tell me what the Law is and the spirit can't do, it can make a man.' He resurrected once from the dead, and all that ____ ____ ____. was for the dead.
Now, I hope, I hope that you got something out of it. I would just like to tell you these things, because I wanted you to know something about prophetic time, those of you that don't know. And I wanted you to see.
There is one more thing I would like to say.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: It's in Peter's epistle. I think it's the first chapter. Now, this is, this is a warning. It's, it's in the first chapter. Now, He tells them about being prepared, ready to be revealed.
Dr. Harris: I Peter 1:5.
Dr. Kinley: 1 Peter, 1st chapter, 5th verse. Read.
Dr. Harris: Who are kept by the power of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Now, it's unto those, listen, who are kept... If you allow yourself to be, you will be kept by the power of Yahweh. All right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: through faith
Dr. Kinley: through faith
Dr. Harris: unto salvation.
Dr. Kinley: unto salvation
Dr. Harris: ready
Dr. Kinley: No, getting there.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Ready.
Dr. Harris: to be revealed in the last time.
Dr. Kinley: ready to be revealed in the last time. Stay ready, kept by the power of Yahweh through faith. Ready. Death comes today. Death comes tomorrow. Let it come as a thief in the night. Death comes to everyone; in fact, we want to see Him. We look forward to that resurrection, rather than to be in peril, because when He does appear, if you don't know me now, you'll sure find out. I mean, I'm
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back at you. I'm already ready ____ ____. And I'm ready. Ready to be revealed, kept by the power. Now, what do you mean, David? If you understand these things and see how they work, then that's the thing that keeps your faith. That's the thing that drives the false prophets. That's the thing that lifts you from corruption and the pollution there is in the world, and keeps you by the power of Yahweh through faith unto salvation. Ready every day and every minute and every hour of your, to be revealed in the last time.
I hope you got something out of it.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Scots Inn, Springfield, Ohio
received from Fred Allen Jr.
1 90 minute audio cassette
CATTLOG #: 74.0804
transcribed by Jackie Bowers
proofread by Cathy Fenti, Michael Rothstein, and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
SCRIPTURE READING: HABAKKUK 2
SIDE 1:
Moderator: ...pleasure to present to you for our next speaker. For our next speaker we'll call on the Founder and Dean emeritus of this school, who is also the author of God, the Archetype Original Pattern of the Universe and Elohim the Archetype Original Pattern of the Universe, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I'm always happy and glad to be here and to testify of the things which Yahweh has revealed unto me. Now I had the second chapter of Habakkuk read, and I want to repeat it and then I want to get into the first chapter and tell you what the situation and condition is. These things, they may seem strange to you but nevertheless they are true. Would you mind reading?
Reader: I will stand upon my watch...
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Dr. Kinley: Now, I had gotten put out of church, the church of God, here in Springfield, Ohio. Now if I had gotten put out for something that I was guilty of doing, I wouldn't take no pleasure in telling you about it. But nevertheless I was put out. Now then that brought in my mind a question, how must I go about telling the people and what must I say to 'em that they might believe and understand that the thing they're accusing me of is not true. Now Dr Harris told you yesterday about the many things that happened in the Church of God, the church that I belonged to. I had charge of the divine healing services and many people were healed including the pastor. And not only that somebody might say, 'well now you're just standing there talking, well I don't know nothing about that.' Well why don't you try going to the hospital and find out something about it. They had some records over there, down in Dayton and other places. They can tell you more about it, but even if you did that, some people wouldn't believe. That's the reason why I always, when ever anybody comes to me with anything, the first thing I tell you to do, go see the Doctor, the medical doctor, but anyhow, that grieved me and I had something to happen to me.
My son died and I thought the possibilities were, that the reason why my son died was because I was kinda hard headed. They had said that I ought not to be preaching, or trying to preach as it's taught. And I just thought Yahweh took my son to correct me. Now I couldn't see through two works of grace. I couldn't then and I can't now. To me as Dr. Harris explained grace is not a work. I couldn't see through the first work, not to say anything about the second work, and I'll tell you more about that a little later on.
But now I was, I mean I cried I mean I really shed tears, I was hurting, because the pastor and many, many people had been healed of all kinds of disease, infections of every kind and sort and as he told you I had signed the ministers license and what not. But I know that was something to hurt somebody about. And now holiness was supposed to be a, a sacred life and you're supposed to be a good man, but I didn't realize what was going on. Yahweh was just simply putting me out of church and I couldn't find no way to tell nobody that I was innocent in a way that they'd believe. I couldn't find no way. And when my son died then I ask Yahweh to show me whether or not that it was so that I was supposed to be preaching. Now I never thought about that until years later. He told you how I commanded the stars to fall as He had told me. Well now look here folks, the reason why I'm bringing these things up to you I wanna show you the reality of things. Now if I had laid my hands on all of those people and many of 'em had been healed of all kinds of diseases and I had prayed many times, all kinds of afflictions were healed, now wouldn't you think, if you'd just stop to think, that it was kinda stupid for me to think that Yahweh took my son, just to spite me on it. Now that was really stupid. But I went along with that thing in me for many years before I got around to even seeing how stupid that was. But finally by and by I woke up. And I said well now that's, that's, that's almost unbelievable to think that a person after going through all of that and then still yet I couldn't do anything. Well we only had one chart made and that was this chart here. It's not this one, we have the real one in L. A. But this is the replica of it.
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Well I tried to teach from this chart the vision that Yahweh had shown to me. And people said, 'well now look here, that looks like scrambled eggs to me.' To me I just thought, after it was all explained to me and Yahweh had showed it to me, looked like anybody ought to understand that. As stupid as I was I thought if I could see it and understand, well it looked like to me that they ought to have understood it. So then now here's Habakkuk. He's a prophet he's writing here. Now he said, I will stand upon my watch and see what He will say to me when I am reproved. Read.
Reader: and Yahweh answered me
Dr. Kinley: and Yahweh answered me
Reader: and said,
Dr. Kinley: and said,
Reader: write the vision,
Dr. Kinley: said, write the vision
Reader: and make it plain upon tables
Dr. Kinley: and make it plain upon tables
Reader: that everyone may read it
Dr. Kinley: that everyone may read it, that what?
Reader: fluently.
Dr. Kinley: fluently. Now if you read that out of a King James version of the Bible it said it reads, 'run'. Read and cut right on out. Fluently. Read it fluently. Alright. Read on, for the vision is yet for an appointed time. Now listen here folks, we talk about Moses having had a vision. Now this is after Moses has had a vision, but Habakkuk is having one. And He's telling Habakkuk to write it and to make it plain upon tables of stone or upon tables. And that makes me think about how Yahweh wrote with His finger upon the tables of stone back there in the mountain, so that everybody can read it and then run. Now it said the vision is for, yet for many days. Read on.
Reader: but at the end it shall speak,
Dr. Kinley: but at the end it shall speak
Reader: and not lie
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Dr. Kinley: And now it won't be no lie. Now the vision is gonna speak and won't be telling lies. Now if I have drawn out what Yahweh showed me in a vision, and I put it down just like He showed to me. And folks look at it and they say, 'I don't understand that stuff. Where did you get all them old crazy names at. My Bible don't say nothing about no Yahweh, who is He any how?' That's the way people talk. They don't realize, but right while I'm right on that I wanna tell you something about that. Yahweh has been in the Masoretic text of the Bible all the time it has never been lost. But when they translated it, they have Yahweh on one side of the page and there's english on the other side, then they have Lord. I wanted to let you know that these names that we have up here have remained in the book. They've never been out of the true Hebrew text. Now, how about that? Did you know that? Well that's the way it is. Alright. That's the way it is. Now, repeat.
Reader: for the vision is yet for an appointed time
Dr. Kinley: for the vision is yet for an appointed time
Reader: but at the end
Dr. Kinley: but at the end, now hold, hold it now. Now when you, when you're reading the Bible a lotta times people are reading but they don't realize nothing, but it says at the end it would speak. Now we talk abut the dispensations and ages and the end of one and the opening of another. Now there's seven ages, seven dispensations of time, there's seven days in a week, there's seven weeks in a cycle of weeks, there's seven months in a cycle of months, there's seven years in a cycle of years, there's seven millenniums in a cycle of millenniums, which means seven thousand years, and there's seven ages in the cycle of ages. You heard me. And listen to what I'm say about that now. The things that's valid in one age is not valid in another. I wanted to give you an idea about that, that each and every age doesn't do anything else but just repeat analogically and symbolically what was in the previous age, so that there is no justifiable excuse for colossal ignorance and stupidity. Billy Graham, I believe, says, 'no body (nobody?) can prove the existence of God, you don't have to worry with that.' He did it His own self. And he did up in such a way until no body don't have no excuse. But now watch I mean read,
Reader: an the end it shall, for the vision
Dr. Kinley: Now look, at the end of the age, that's the age when Yahshua the Messiah was born, it's after the flood now, and after the giving of the law and it is down at the birth of Yahshua the Messiah. Then He's gonna come in according to the vision, and He's gonna speak, He's gonna speak of the vision. Now then, that makes me have to go back now and tell you what the folks is gonna think of the vision, so you can see that. Now that'll take you back in the first chapter. Then you'll quit wondering why it is the things are as they are. Alright read,
Reader: an the end it shall, for the vision
Dr. Kinley: Now look, at the end of the age, that's the age when Yahshua the Messiah was born, it's after the flood now, and after the giving of the law and it is down at the birth of Yahshua the Messiah. Then He's gonna come in according to the vision, and He's gonna speak, He's gonna speak of the vision. Now then, that makes me have to go back now and tell you what the folks is gonna think of the vision, so you can see that. Now that'll take you back in the first chapter. Then you'll quit wondering why it is the things are as they are. Alright read,
Reader: The doom which Habakkuk,
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Dr. Kinley: the fifth verse,
Reader: Behold ye among the nations
Dr. Kinley: Now it said, look, behold I looked ye among the nations,
Reader: regard and wonder marvelously
Dr. Kinley: regard and wonder marvelously
Reader: for I will work a work in your day,
Dr. Kinley: for I will work a work, not you. That's the reason why I said, 'I don't believe in you working.' I don't believe in you working. If you just believe the work He done, that'll take care of your situation. He says, oh, I'll, I'll work a work in your day, down at the end of that age, or just before He was crucified. And He said I'll work a work that you won't believe,
Reader: though it were told to you,
Dr. Kinley: though it were told to you. Now here it was, Yahshua the Messiah come along working that work. Now did the Jews believe Him?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: They didn't believe Him. Now the scripture and foretold that they wasn't gonna believe Him, and He was declaring it unto them and saying He come forth from the Father and He going, went back to the Father. Now listen here, the Sanhedrin Council, that's the seventy elders, the smart boys, Nicodemus that went to see Him by night. And they said to Him, said, 'Master, we know.' Who you talking about? 'Talking about the Sanhedrin Council.' Said, 'We know.' Know what? 'We know you're a teacher come from God or come from Yahweh. We know that, all seventy of us.' Well, how do you know it? 'For nobody can do the works which you're doing, except Yahweh be' in the sky.
Student Body: No, No (LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: See that now. Now that was at the end of that age. They knew they couldn't count on nobody heal the sick and raise the dead. They knew that, except Yahweh be with Him. Now here we come down to the close of this age. Now I wrote the vision. I made it plain.
Student Body: That's right, um-huh.
Dr. Kinley: And ain't never been nobody in 43 years in this school that's been able to refute or to dispute it. Then Yahweh didn't leave me alone with that. Now they have medical authorities and proofs sitting under the sound of my voice. You know good and well I can't heal nobody. I never told anybody that I could heal
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anybody. If that be the case, then you know if somebody's healed you know that that's got to be Yahweh.
Student Body: That's right. (CLAPS)
Dr. Kinley: I just want you to see through what I'm talking about. I don't have to try to defend my ministry. I knew it to begin with. You ain't gonna believe me. Why should I think that they was gonna go and believe you if they didn't believe Him, and the prophet said so. You see the point? Now look here, I'm, let's get after it again. There in Habakkuk where you was reading,
Reader: Behold ye among the nations,
Dr. Kinley: Behold ye. Now you look. Now this is a vision here among nations. Alright read.
Reader: regard and wonder marvelously
Dr. Kinley: regard and wonder marvelously
Reader: for I will work a work in your days
Dr. Kinley: I will work a work in your days
Reader: which you will not believe
Dr. Kinley: which you will not believe
Reader: thou it be told
Dr. Kinley: Now He's working a work. Now He's doing something there. Over in the second chapter He said,'write the vision and make it plain.' Now then He wrote the vision, He made it plain, then He done the work. Folks still yet don't believe it. Now look folks we got 'em sitting right up here and everywhere around. I tell you it's something else, when you look the thing straight in the face. It's not an easy thing to believe. Come here Richard.1 Yes, you I'm talking about.
Now when I come into Springfield there's a man riding a motorcycle. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Rammed into a, a truck or something out there. Just, just really tore him all to pieces and they took him to the hospital.
Man: They can't hear you back there.
Dr. Kinley: And they took him to the hospital, this man here. And they thought he was dead. They say dead on arrival or something like that, I don't know much about it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And I hear people always talking about,
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1 Richard Davis was in a motorcycle accident in June, 1974.
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'Lord I've got the cancer.' What you worrying about that for? If you believe that He was the resurrection and the life, raised Lazarus from the dead after.., he's dead 4 days, then reached down back after His resurrection and got all His, all the way back from Adam, then you stand up here talking, 'I believe God but a you know I don't think there is any cure for this.' Yes, there is a cure for everything. Man has been afflicted by Yahweh, and Yahweh can cure everything or anything he's got. You understand. I didn't reckon what's the matter with you. I wanna tell you this too, you might think about him, my doctor says, 'I'm alright.' There's something the matter with everybody in here. Well what's the matter with you? You got a physical body, fella!! (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS AND CLAPS) That has to be changed. Don't take Him a long ways to do that either. Don't take no 6 days for Yahweh to ____ a man. Said in a moment in a twinkling of an eye, we shall all be changed. But nevertheless this young man was there. I go ahead on say anything about it. I've said many times that we'll go right down in the Vatican and preach the gospel. We don't care where we go, we're gonna preach the real genuine gospel. Already know that the devil is gonna kill some of us, for, for preaching the gospel and some folks are afraid to preach to the gospel.
Well now look, that man was in the Mercy Hospital here. The nurses says that's gonna be a Roman Catholic. Now we've been down in the Vatican, we preached the gospel down there in the Vatican, didn't modify it, or nothing. And Pontiff, which we call Cardinal Gremillion; when he saw these names up here, you read in the scriptures that Yahweh said, as I live, saith Yahweh, to me every knew (knee?) shall bow, every tongue shall confess Yahweh or Yahshua to the satisfaction and glory of Yahweh.2 Now you're gonna have to do that anyhow. Somebody say, 'well I'm not, I still believe in Jesus.' Well, you're gonna have to confess Yahweh and Yahshua to the satisfaction of Yahweh and then go to the Lake. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS AND TALKS) If I thought you was able to understand that I'd modify that some. Well should I modify it so you can understand it? You're already in the Lake. (STUDENT BODY CLAPS) The reason why I said that, I wanna show it to you, Yahweh is a consuming fire. Now it says it's in Him we live, move and have our being.3 And this cloud up here on the top of the mountain telling him up there, there's a devouring fire in the sight the children of Israel. And Peter says the, the earth and the works therein shalt be burnt up.4 Jehovah Witness says that's a mistake, it didn't mean this earth and all. Well which ever one of it was that He created, that's the one he meant. Just like ____ and hear them talk about a vital force upon you, and Yahweh is not in any man but it's a vital force upon you. And Yahweh said in the 34th chapter of, 36th chapter I believe it is of Ezekiel and the 24th and 25th verse. He says He would wash you, and make you clean. He said He would put His law in your inward parts, course Yahweh didn't know what He was talking about. Jeremiah confirmed it by saying He's gonna write it in, within you. Now listen folks, that is what the New Covenant is: it's Yahweh
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2 Isaiah 45:23, Romans 14:11, and Philippians 2:10, 11
3 Acts 17:28
4 II Peter 3:10
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putting His law in your inward parts. Now listen here, let me tell you this, what I'm trying to do, is trying to point out some important things to you, something that will help you. Now listen, you with your little carnal mind, you don't have sense enough to read and understand these divine things that's been revealed by Yahweh. You don't, you get, and your carnal mind that you got it can't do that. Now my books tells me like this, but the teacher, somebody will say, 'well Dr. Henry C. Kinley he's the founder and dean emeritus of the school, he's the teacher.' I beg your pardon. The Holy Spirit is the teacher. Now don't you see if the Holy Spirit is not in any man, then you ain't got no teacher. What's the matter with you? I'll tell you... But to get back on this thing here. Roman Catholics. The pope, he's got plentitude of power to put you in heaven. Yahshua the Messiah say, 'no man goeth, I'm the way the truth and the life. No man goeth to the Father but by me.' They call that wrong. But He gave the Pope5 the keys. And whosoever, the Bible doesn't say that, says whatsoever would be bound on earth would be bound in heaven. And He wasn't just talking to Peter alone either. So now he's gonna put somebody in heaven and all like that. And when Yahshua the Messiah said, 'no man goeth unto the Father but by me.' What'd He say that for? Was because didn't no man came out from the Father but by him. Can't nobody go back but by the Pope!
Student Body: No. no.
Dr. Kinley: We're just unreasonably stupid and unbelievably. Well, we went in the hospital to see this young man. Well one of the first things that they said to us, Dr. Gill and Dr. Bob Buffington, the one who wrote the scripture or read the scripture. Said, 'Well you.' Downstairs said, 'You can't go up there.' Said, 'He's unconscious, he's in a coma.' Said, 'Unless you belong to the clergy, you just can't go up there.' I haven't said nothing. I let, I let Dr. Gill and them have, have their say about it.____ 'we do belong to the clergy.' Said, 'Okay then you go right upstairs.' And on the elevator as we got on the elevator there was a priest there. He was a tall, high priest. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That boy was dressed up. Dr. Gill, a little runt. Here I am standing up there ____ ____. Dr. Bob, he done pretty well. When he got off of the elevator, said, 'Well where is this emergency room?' The priest said, 'Right down there, right straight in front of you there.'
Dr. Gill: intensive care unit
Dr. Kinley: Intensive care. So we went in. I didn't say anything. They asked about where he was. Nurse said, 'that's him right over there.' Said, 'But he can't talk to you, can't say a thing to you.' Said, 'He's in a coma.' Said, 'You can go up there and see him if you want to.' Went over there, Dr. Gill and myself stood there. Now I can't explain this to you in a way that you can understand it. Went
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5 The following phrase is repeated on the recording since 2 recordings were put together because one of the recordings was clearer but the unclear tape had more of the lecture on it: 'Pope he got plentitude of power to put you in heaven. Yahshua the Messiah says no man goth ( goeth?), I'm the way the truth and the life. No man goth (goeth?) to the Father but by me. They call that wrong.'
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right on down on the inside of that man, no audible words was spoke within that man. Man opened his eyes. He identified us. Now that's in Springfield.
Now what did you bring that up for? Now I want to tell you reason why I brought it up. I brought it up because you're down to the close of this age and I want you to know and be assured of the fact, that Yahweh, the teaching that goes on in this school, will raise a man from the dead physically so and it will also raise you from the dead spiritually so. I want you to know that. (STUDENT BODY CLAPS) Then he woke up and he identified us. The nurse she popped her eyes, she looked at him. Said, 'Well I, I, do you know these men?' He said, 'Yes I know 'em.' Said, 'That's Dr. Gill and that's Dr. Buffington and that's Dr. Kinley.' 'Yeah, you know where you live?' 'Yeah,' started naming address and so forth and so on. She says, 'well I can't let these men stay here.' He said, 'I don't want them to leave, I feel much better.' We got ready to go. But anyhow, my thought to you, thank you Dr., a. Now but before you leave, just a second. Now this man was supposed to be in a cast. What all was supposed to be broken about you?
Richard Davis: I don't want to say a lot, but I was supposed to have, they said in the hospital, you have a broken jaw, a broken nose, a broken pelvic bone. Now with a broken pelvic bone, they also said, one of the nurses told me, you shouldn't even begin or be able to begin to hobble around or attempt to walk for two months. I was home in just 2 weeks, just a day or two over 2 weeks and I was walking all over the place before I came home. (STUDENT BODY CLAPS)
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, that man is supposed to be in a cast. Did you have a cast on?
Richard Davis: No
Dr. Kinley: And he never had no cast on. Now who would you say done that?
Student Body: Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Now, I done, I already done told you I can't do it. You can just blame it on whoever you want to. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) There was another fella setting up here.6 He ain't said nothing about the teaching. He said, 'Now listen here Dr. Kinley.' He said, 'I spoke to you about this before. I having trouble, some trouble down here in my esophagus.' That's the part where you swallow your food down. And he had to drink water or something or other or some kind of drink to wash his food down. Been in the hospital about 3 times and went to the Cleveland Clinic. Dr. Harris told you about these things. And he said, 'Now I told you, I spoke to you about this before.' I said, 'Do you remember what I told you before?' He said, 'yes I do.' I said, 'That still stands.' I told him about, what'd I tell you about?
Larry Heath: Said you'd take care of the matter.
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Dr. Kinley: That's right. Try and swallow. Been swallowing all along ever since. Now how about that? What happened then?
Student Body: Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Folks, all I'm trying to tell you about is this: we're not here to preach malice and hate and strife and all those various difference kinds of things; ignorance and superstitions, and traditions and all that kinda thing and customs. We're not trying to establish no church. The reason why we're not trying to build no church cause Yahshua the Messiah said that He'd do that. So I just let Him go ahead on and do it. Then we tell the people that this is a school. A school is a place where you go to learn something that you didn't know. So if you come here you oughta be expecting to learn something that you didn't know. Let's get back for a few minutes on this vision and about how it was done and what was going on..
We want to show you now that the folk that's out here in the world they just don't believe. Now we come around and tell you how it is. You got a Bible, you can read at least. Well now, when it comes to believing what you're reading, now that's the problem. You let somebody come up and tell you what you read, you don't have the right interpretation. You don't have to interpret it. It's already interpreted. Now go back in this vision.
Reader: Habakkuk 1:5: Behold ye among the nations
Dr. Kinley: Behold ye among the nations
Reader: regard and wonder marvelously
Dr. Kinley: regard and wonder marvelously
Reader: for I will work a work in your day
Dr. Kinley: for I will work a work in your day
Reader: which you will not believe
Dr. Kinley: which you will not believe
Reader: though it be told you
Dr. Kinley: though it be told you. Yes.
Reader: Habakkuk 2:2,
Dr. Kinley: Habakkuk 2:2
Reader: and Yahweh answered me and said,
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Dr. Kinley: And now he stood upon his watch to see what He was gonna say. Now I told you that I cried, shed tears too, and I had charge of that divine healing service. Many people, many people right in the city of Springfield have been healed. And I could tell you about this. You're reading the Bible aren't you? Would you mind standing up here? Look these folks in the face. Now we just got through talking about that man there. But now we have a case worse than that over there in a hospital in Lexington, Kentucky.7 You were in there with me then. Is that right?
Richard Carr: That's right
Dr. Kinley: And that man he couldn't be moved from Lexington, Kentucky in an automobile crash and hadn't regained consciousness. And his people come and said, 'Well look if you can do anything for him, we're gonna join your school.' Now, I don't go on nothing like that. There were people that tried to massage the Messiah. Said, 'Good master.' Now don't be putting that massage on me. Why do you call me good, there ain't none good but Yahweh. But nevertheless, I said, 'I'll go over and see him.' But he was in Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky. Said, 'Well what must we do about it?' I said, 'Move him from Lexington, Kentucky to the Community Hospital over here.' So they moved him from Lexington, Kentucky to the Community Hospital. And when he got over here he was still yet unconscious. This man, your president in Springfield of the State of Ohio, was right with me when I went in. Nurses said he couldn't say a thing, he didn't know nothing, hadn't gained no consciousness or nothing.
Richard Carr: The man as soon as a Doc walked into the room, I'll just repeat this a little more. The brain damage was so extensive, something like a broken neck, that he, there was no movement, he couldn't even blink his eyes, paralyzed. There were tubes in his nose, in his mouth, and in his throat, I guess. Couldn't even breathe; in other words, the man was just a living vegetable you might say. And when Doc walked into the room he just scooted right on up in that hospital bed, and he just, you know how the phlegm is in a person when they can't breathe good, ____ is almost gone, pure phlegm ____ and so forth, I left after that.
Dr. Kinley: I told him to get out. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now Dr. Babe Hodoh, then I'll go ahead on. You had some relatives in the hospital down there.
Dr. Hodoh: Yes Sir.
Dr. Kinley: They took an overdose of dope. They pronounced him dead.
Dr. Hodoh: Right
Dr. Kinley: Priest prayed the last rites of the church and stuck it on his bed.
Dr. Hodoh: Right
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Dr. Kinley: Somebody, I'm not gonna blame it on Babe Hodoh ____, somebody stole that thing there that was on his bed where the priest prayed with the last rites. Somebody stole it and we have a copy of it I didn't say who stole it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS AND CLAPS) Now the reason why I'm telling you about these things, folks this gospel we are talking about is the genuine thing.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And it's Yahweh in me, my and your Father, not only in me but in you too. Now then, there's a few more things I wanna say here about writing the vision and making it plain. I wanna tell you why I brought these things up. Every time we turn around, this is what we find, this is what we've been up against. People are reading the Bible, they go back and get this Old Covenant and insist on us preaching and teaching the Old Covenant or carnal ordinances, such as water baptism, Lord suppers as they call 'em, foot washing, and other things. And they're saying that we're wrong. Now they're trying to teach us something about it, but now here's the point, here, here's my cardinal point, listen: if I or Yahweh through me can do these things that I just got through telling you about, why is it that none of them can do it? You answer that one. I baptized a lotta folks before I had the vision and revelation. There ain't nothing to that. That ain't gonna help none of 'em. Why is it since they all come along and say, 'you all are wrong,' but they can't do nothing to prove nothing. Yahshua the Messiah when He come along, He proved to the Sanhedrin Council, the doctors and them, and they had to admit, just like you have to admit it. So you just might as well get busy with it now. Somebody said, 'well listen, you don't understand, I believe in the honorable Elijah Mohammed, I belong to the black muslims.' I got some news for you. You wanna hear about it. 1st chapter of 1st Corinthians, Paul said,
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Dr. Kinley: there's contentions and divisions among you and I partly believe it. Why Paul, why did you say I'm of Apollos, another ones says, 'I'm of Cephas,' that's Peter and another one says, 'no, I'm of Messiah.' Now, he said is the Messiah
Reader: divided,
Dr. Kinley: is divided?
Reader: Was Saul crucified for you.
Dr. Kinley: Hold it just a minute. Let me ask you a question. Was honorable Elijah Mohammed, was he crucified for you.
Student Body: No, no sir.
Dr. Kinley: Was Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, was any of them crucified for you?
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Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Was Peter crucified for you?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: That oughta be enough of that, oughten it. Somebody says, 'well, look, Jesus was a black man.' How do you follow, how do you figure that one? The Song of Solomon the 5th chapter or the 1st chapter and the 5th verse, said, 'I am,' Solomon was black. And of course the descendants that comes on down to Jesus, He's a black man. Walking around boasting about your color. Well, listen folks, Dr. Miller told you yesterday ain't no black folks going to heaven, or no white folks either, no Indians, no Chinese, none of that. Say, 'Well I don't know about that.' Said, 'Jesus was there.' Let me tell you something, you ever remember reading about the transfiguration and how even His garments out shone the sun, the light of the sun. Now they call a negro, trying to throw off on you, they call him 'shine.' Now I got a question to ask you. Did you ever see a Negro shine like He shines? Ever seen white folks shine like that? Ever seen a black Muslim shine like that? Folks I'll tell you, now there's no sense in you being a nut and fool all your life. You just might as well wake up. No indeed, ain't none of that going to heaven. Listen here, first chapter or 15th chapter of first Corinthians says this, Paul says this, 'I say brethren that flesh and blood does not inherit the kingdom of heaven.' Now that was Paul who said that. Pope Pius the 12th said in May of 1950 he put Mary in heaven whole soul, body and spirit. Now I told you what Paul said, and I told you what Yahshua, or the Pope Paul said. Now you want to know what I say? I say Pope Pius the 12th told a damn lie; (STUDENT BODY CLAPS AND LAUGHS) not Henry C. (STUDENT BODY CONTINUES LAUGHING) That's what he was, is a destructive liar, and he's the father of it, the devil incarnated in that pope. Got no power to put no body in heaven. Let's go on down here for a minute or two and get this pattern, get this plan, get this purpose and show you how it is. All right finish reading there.
Reader: Habakkuk?
Dr. Kinley: Habakkuk. Write the vision and make it plain. Now the reason why I brought this up folks, I was trying to find some way to tell the people that had put me out and Yahweh told me to do this. I didn't do this on my own. He, He told me to do this, showed me how to fix it. Now I know it's not a real master piece of art, I realize that, there is errors, but it will answer the purpose. Alright.
Reader: For the vision is yet, write the vision and make it plain upon tables
Dr. Kinley: un-hun
Reader: that he may run that readeth it,
Dr. Kinley: um hum
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Reader: for the vision is yet for an appointed time
Dr. Kinley: um hum
Reader: but at the end it shall speak
Dr. Kinley: and at the end it shall speak
Reader: and not lie
Dr. Kinley: and it won't, ain't no lie about it
Reader: though it tarry
Dr. Kinley: though it tarry
Reader: wait for it
Dr. Kinley: wait for it
Reader: because it will surely come, it will not tarry
Dr. Kinley: it will surely come, and it will not tarry. Now that's enough of that. Now look folks, lotta people have said this, 'I would like very much to see the vision as Dr. Kinley seen it and if Yahweh could show him a vision, then He oughta show me one.' That's what they say. Well look folks, help yourself! How about that? He ain't got a thing else to show you but this. Now if you wanna see what He showed me, and if He can show it to you like He did to me then there it is. Follow? Now Isaiah 28:9 and 10. Read it real quick.
Reader: Isaiah 28:9 and 10
Dr. Kinley: Isaiah 28:9 and 10
Reader: Whom shall He teach knowledge
Dr. Kinley: Now listen here, whom shall Yahweh teach knowledge. Now some of us are too smart, we know it all and if you wanna know anything all you have to do is ask us. So now He says whom shall he teach knowledge
Reader: and whom shall He make to understand doctrine
Dr. Kinley: Now whom shall he make to understand doctrine. Now listen we've had a hard time with that, you had a hard time with Roman Catholics, and Jehovah's Witnesses, and Baptist and Methodists, and Presbyterians and Unitarians understand doctrine. Now listen, somebody says this, 'Well this stuff you all got drawn up here? That's your gospel.' Yahshua the Messiah said, 'my doctrine is not my own but Him that sent me.' And also in the 6th chapter of
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Hebrews, says, 'therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Yahshua the Messiah let us go on unto perfection not laying again the foundation for repentance of dead works, of laying on of hands.' Now get this one straight now. 'Of baptisms,' that's plural. I don't care how you baptize, I don't care what you say, we, we're leaving that. Then there's always somebody saying, 'well look, I'm reading out of the New Testament. Jesus was baptized and if he was baptized. good enough for Him, it's good enough for me!' All right, listen here folks, He was crucified too. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) How about that? Good enough for you? Or would you rather be crucified for yourself. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) He was also circumcised for you. Now I'm just trying to show you. Now all of these carnal ordinances that the Roman Catholics, I'm gonna make it plain as that's what they said do, write the vision and make it plain, so that anyone that can see it, can read and run. Write the vision and make it plain. So the Roman Catholics, the Protestants, the Orthodox Jews, and the what have you, can start to run. Now are you listening?
Man: Almost.
Dr. Kinley: You sure you're listening? Somebody's almost listening. Now look, I've asked this in the congregation, I want somebody that's real smart and real sharp in the scriptures to read, I don't want but one verse, just one verse, that'll do, just one. You don't have to run a whole lot of references, show me one verse anywhere from back to back, from Genesis to Revelations, where Yahweh, Elohim or Yahshua, the Lord, God, Jesus Christ, Jehovah, Adonai or Allah, ever said anything in the history of the world about a gentile getting baptized or eating Lord's suppers, keep the Sabbath day. Would you please be so kind as to read that. I want it read now. Listen, I'm in a hurry. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now all you good theologians before you got in this school here you could read it out there. Now you got it over in this school and you went blind, you can't read. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) How about that? Now I've asked this thing and more people than in here, want one verse, just one, one. That wouldn't be asking too much would you think? You can't read nothing like that in your Bible. The reason why you can't read is because it's not in there. Now this work that Yahshua the Messiah did, that you don't believe, I'm speaking about the, I'm using you as the world out there. Folks don't believe it, they've been trying to straighten me out on water baptism since I've been here. Said, 'Water baptism it was not under the law. The law was given from Mt. Sinai after the children of Israel had ate the passover down here and got baptized in, and the law was given up here.' Well listen here folks, wasn't anybody down here but the Jews. And this passover He said they should keep that as a memorial forever through out their generations. And it was repeated every year. And these washings and these baptisms they didn't even know where it come from. Just don't have no idea where it come from in the first place. Now people, this doctrine is true. Now the gentiles, I want to say this to you, the gentiles they're standing by faith and not by the works of the law. Now look here, Yahweh, when you see Him as He really is, He's a pretty nice fella. Now here's why I said that. When the Jews or the Israelites, when they had these laws back here, 430 years before then He made a promise that in His seed, now I'm cutting it up short, that He'd bless all the families of the earth. Now that means
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both Jew and gentile. So He didn't give the gentile no carnal ordinances at all. And they just set down, clear on down to Cornelius's house and here the other fella, he's just standing up the hill offering up sacrifices and so forth and so on, and when he was doing that, Yahweh say He wasn't satisfied with it. So having done that, said, 'Sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldst not, but a body has thou prepared for me. Then said I, lo I come in the volume of the book to do Thy will.' Now listen, this is the will of Yahweh I'm talking about. 10th chapter of Hebrews, read it somebody please! 'I come in the volume of the book.' Now when you say volume of the book, there's five books of the law, then you got from Joshua on over to Malachi. And you get all them together, then you got a volume of book. Now He gonna come in the volume of the book, put it all into the one book now, and it's gonna be written,
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: and it's already written of me, to do thy will oh Yahweh. Then what?
Reader: He taketh away the first
Dr. Kinley: Now He take. Now just a minute, just a minute. Make sure you're reading what's in the book. We have to be corrected by these scriptures. Now here's a medical doctor, went to school and been going to school practically all of his life, and he can't read. He taketh away the first and here you come up with something second hand. Nobody hasn't never said a thing to you about it. And here you come up with it when the Jew himself is done with it, them carnal ordinances. He taketh away the first. What for?
Reader: that He may establish the second
Dr. Kinley: that He may establish the second. That's the New Covenant, right? Read on.
Reader: by the which will we are sanctified
Dr. Kinley: by the which will we are sanctified or set apart
Reader: through the offering of the body of Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: through the offering of the body. That's that the prepared sacrificial body, to the offering of the body of Yahshua the Messiah. Read.
Reader: once for all
Dr. Kinley: Now just wait a minute. Don't you see how stupid it is for them to keep on running back, Roman Catholics keep on running back to confession. Well He knows good and well he ain't doing nothing. He ain't learning a thing, and he's going back and lying to the priest too about it. He knows there ain't nothing to it. You say, 'Going to confession, going to confess.' 'What good is it gonna do? I
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say look here fella, if I did something to you what's the sense of me going over there and telling Dr. Harris about it? Why can't I just go over there and say, 'Dr. Harris, I'm sorry, I mistreated you and I apologize.' Why do you want me to go over there and telling you about it for? Now the High Priest was standing right at the altar, the altar of sacrifice, everyday. And He said if you will remember that your brother has ought against you leave your gift at the altar, then go your way and be reconciled with your brother, and come back and pick up your gift and offer it. Well then, if the Priest was standing right there when he brought it. Why do you gotta go down and tell him about it? Said, 'I mistreated Bill Farley over yonder and here's my sacrifice for it.' Well he said, 'You go back and see Bill about that, then after you have seen Bill.' 'Well maybe Bill don't wanna hear.' Said, 'Then go get yourself a witness. "Then if he don't wanna hear then?' Said, 'Then bring before the congregation or assembly.' Now that's Yahweh's way of doing things. The thing just wasn't done in a corner. Now look, read Isaiah 9 and 10, 28, Isaiah 28:9 and 10. Now I want you to pay attention this time cause we been drawing this vision out and we're gonna make it plain. Read.
Reader: Whom shall He teach knowledge
Dr. Kinley: Whom shall He teach knowledge
Reader: and whom shall He make to understand doctrine
Dr. Kinley: Now whom shall He make to understand doctrine. Surely He hasn't made you Roman Catholic and the Protestants understand nothing cause they're all divided, and the Orthodox Jew. All right read on,
Reader: them that are weaned from the milk
Dr. Kinley: Now you have to get offa that bottle. You have to get offa the bottle. (DR. KINLEY MAKES WHINING SOUNDS) 'Da, da, da, wha, yah, yah, yah, yah, yah, yah.' Come on, straighten up here, fly right. Ain't gonna get the bottle no more. How about that? Get some meat, you got some teeth, haven't you get some teeth then. Them that are weaned from the breast. Alright.
Reader: drawn from the breast. For precept must be upon precept
Dr. Kinley: Now listen for precept, now you get this straight, precept must be upon precept,
Reader: precept upon precept
Dr. Kinley: precept upon precept
Reader: line upon line
Dr. Kinley: line upon line
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Reader: line upon line
Dr. Kinley: line upon line
Reader: here a little
Dr. Kinley: over to the law
Reader: and there a little
Dr. Kinley: and to the prophets. How about that? Gotta take one to confirm the other. Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little in the law and over in the prophecy. Are you listening now? Here comes along Yahshua the Messiah fulfilling what was written in that book. He went to the law, He went to the prophets. Does line upon line there, precept upon precept there, line upon line in the prophecy and also in the law. Now He's fulfilling. Now here's what the smart boys are saying, the Sanhedrin council, said, 'By what authority are you doing these things.' They were supposed to know the law. Now the reason why I brought that up, these people out there, all of them, they're supposed to know and go back there to the law to get it line upon line and precept upon precept. They don't even go back there at all. Now how can they know anything? Say, 'I'm going over here to the new testament, beginning at Matthew.' Say, 'Well I'm a New Testament preacher.' Now in the 31st chapter of Jeremiah, Yahweh said He was gonna write. Now here you trying to convince me that Matthew wrote, and Mark wrote, John wrote the New Testament. And they don't even realize a testament is of force after not before, after men are dead, otherwise it is of no force at all. Yahshua the Messiah had to die, resurrect from the dead, ascend into heaven and pour out the Holy Spirit. You have it on the 6th day of June, A.D. 33 about 9 o'clock in the morning. Now how about that? Is that getting close enough to the time when the new age opened. Now that was what He was doing. The other folks haven't found out about it yet but we've drawn it all out on these charts. Now let me show you what I'm talking about.
There's three that bear record in the earth, there's three that bear record in the earth: the blood, the water and the Spirit. Now look, whoever is responsible for this chart, I'll mention it again, write Spirit up here please, get it wrote up here. You oughta have it done in a minute. You got the holy anointing oil there. You got the cloud here and the angel there. And you ought to have it here, and then got it there. Now what I'm talking about is line must be upon line, precept upon precept. Back over to the law, carry it all the way on back. Carry it back into the Godhead as it is called or the Supernal nature. He's threefold: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit. These three are one. Now Roman Catholics say, 'No, that's not so, cause the Father's not the Son, and the Holy Ghost is not the Father.' That's what they say. And then in order to illustrate they draw a triangle like this. Says, 'This line going up here that's the Father, this one coming down over here that's the Son, and this going across here that's the Holy Ghost.' Now that's how they illustrate it. Now look, Deuteronomy 6:4. I told you what they say. Now I wanna know what Yahweh got to say about it.
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Reader: 6 and 4
Dr. Kinley: Yes, Deuteronomy 6:4
Reader: Here oh Israel
Dr. Kinley: Here, listen, this is what it says. Here oh Israel
Reader: Yahweh our Elohim,
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh our Elohim
Reader: is Yahweh a unity
Dr. Kinley: is Yahweh a trinity
Student Body: No, No.
Dr. Kinley: Now I didn't say that. Now that's what they say about it. Almost everything they say is wrong. They can't say nothing right. Now this line must, get it straight now, that's the reason why we take it from the, from the Godhead. Everything comes from Spirit. That's the reason why these days are divided up in Genesis is so that we can show you the Outer Court, the Holy Place, Most Holy Place. Take it on back into Yahweh, Yahweh's the head. That's the reason why the High Priest wore the miter, 'Holiness Unto Yahweh.' The chest region, that's Elohim, that is Yahweh in shape and form. Elohim is not a name. Yahweh's the name. Elohim is a title. Yahshua is a name. And here it comes down here into the Outer Court because He's down here sacrificed, that's the prepared body that He's sacrificed. Then I want to get this over to you too. Yahweh was manifested in the flesh, a lotta people don't, they don't think that. They think God is setting upstairs somewhere above the sun, moon and stars, and Jesus is His chief representative on earth. That's Jehovah Witness. They don't pay no attention to what the Bible says. Now if you look at 1st Timothy 3 and 16, listen folks, say without controversy, without not no, ain't no need of no argument about it, without controversy great is the mystery of Yahweh. Yahweh was manifested in the flesh. Are you listening? That was Yahweh, all the Creator there was, walking around in a physical body and beside Him there was no Elohim. There wasn't no Yahweh. He was the whole show walking around in a physical body. And I'll tell you, that's what's gonna have to be now in you. That's what Yahweh, our heavenly Father must be in you. And then what does that make you? That makes you a son. That's why John said, 'behold, what manner of love is this that the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the saints.
Student Body: NO
Dr. Kinley: Christians
Student Body: NO
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Dr. Kinley: What are you got, you mean to tell me Jesus wasn't a Christian?
Student Body: NO
Dr. Kinley: He wasn't a saint?
Student Body: NO
Dr. Kinley: Well where'd the word come from. Anybody canonized in the Roman Catholic church they call 'em a saint. And Christ, that's where the word Christian come from. Now then you be like Christ, they call that a Christian. Well He wasn't like that. He was what He was. He wasn't like that, He was Himself. Oh my goodness, people I tell you, it's terrible, time would fail us to stand up here and tell you just how stupid man really is, and then he thinks he's smart, but line must be upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little. Now listen I did not order, I did not order this sanctuary, (try to put it where you can see it) I didn't order this building. That's Yahweh transfigured or transformed. Now that's what that is. Now look, you can't take this light and put it over there. You can't take the table of shewbread and put it over where the light is. You can't take the altar of incense and move it around, can't turn it around, trying to straighten up every once in awhile, change things up. Why? Because the heart has to be in one place, you gonna leave it there too! Leave it right where Yahweh put it. Here He is on the, I don't see Him back there like that. No. But look, a lot of 'em trying to criticized this work. Said, 'Well look here, this golden candlestick you got there. Said, 'lt's got more than seven branches to it.' Say, 'But, you all are going around teaching the golden candlestick or the aorta only has seven branches. If that's what you all teach you're wrong.' Listen the aorta does not have but seven branches that carries oxygenated blood. That's all this is. There's more than that but they really don't carry pure blood. How about that? Trying to criticize, trying to show you how smart they are, they didn't even recognize that it's not turned right on the chart. It ain't turned right. It oughta be turned the other way. They didn't even know that. Table of shewbread it ain't, ought not to be been turned this way. It's on the right side but it oughta be turned the other way, the long way, this way. So when the High Priest walked in here, he walked right over to the candlestick, the candles, they would be in a line like this. What's that for? Well, if you would take, and draw this line up to this altar then from this altar down to the table like it properly should be and it comes on down and rests on the diaphragm. Now listen here, here's what I'm saying now. Then you have a liver, but you don't see no liver in there. The liver's in you but you don't see it. Yahshua the Messiah is the liver, but you don't see Him. How about that? That's wonderful ain't it. That's what you get when you get line upon line. Now listen folks, to clear this up and get on down out of the way. If you put the water where it belongs, put the blood where it belongs, put the spirit where, it belongs. Don't make no difference where you coming from in the creation everything, put it right where it belongs. Now that's line upon line, that's precept upon precept, that's here a little, that's in the law, there a little, that's in the prophecy. Now listen, that's why they didn't know what Yahshua the Messiah was doing. Said He's here fulfilling the law. He's fulfilling the prophecy. Now I just said to you, you can't find nothing in no Bible
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where Yahweh ever said anything in the history of the world about gentiles getting baptized in water. Now listen get this one straight, just enjoy the deep mystery that's been sealed in this. You never seen a male or female in your life and you never will see one that hasn't been immersed or baptized in water. I said there isn't anyone. Now here's the water the immersion in the water in the womb. Immersed in it. Now if he isn't immersed in it, in the womb. Now you tell me somebody that wasn't immersed in it. We'll have you committed. Now then, here comes along Adam, he was immersed in the bowels and womb of mother earth. Inundated in the water. Three days after Yahweh moved the waters off the face of the earth and let the dry land appear. He took that man out of there, breathed in his nostrils the breath of life. I should bring this one out too, which I'm going to do. He breathed into his nostrils the breathe of life and he became a living soul. He didn't breath Jehovah. This is what he got when He breathed into his nostrils: Yah. Here we go again. It comes out: Weh. And he's been going along all your life: YAH WEH, YAH. Say, 'I don't believe in that stuff. (DR. KINLEY BREATHES) YAH WEH. I don't believe that the children of Israel come out of Egypt under a cloud.' Walking around under a cloud. 'I don't believe, but Jesus, he was baptized. Wasn't no...' John wasn't baptizing nobody, no, no, no Gentiles. But now look, here comes Jesus, He's baptized. Well why was He baptized? He's the second Adam. And He was with Israel when they went through that but they didn't get wet. But look here, this first Adam did, back here, so He gonna fulfill this back there, so He's gotta get wet. Now how about that now? He's got to be baptized with John's baptism. In other words what I'm trying to tell you is this, now this is the thing they haven't caught on to yet. haven't caught on to Yahshua the Messiah fulfilling the law and the prophets, every jot and every tittle. They haven't caught on to that yet. They don't know why He went up in the mountain and sit down. They don't know why He went up in the mountain and transfigured. It's because of this back here, the cloud set and Yahweh's presence speaking to them from the cloud. They don't know why that He took the disciples up here and transfigured before 'em. They just think the cloud went up here and covered the mountain. They don't know why He went out to the Mount of Olives and got aboard a cloud and ascended into heaven itself. They don't know nothing about it. And great preachers, Billy Graham and all rest of 'em are just as dumb as they can be. They don't have no idea, no understanding about it at all. Then when you come along and try to tell 'em something, they got something wonderful to tell you about his imagination. Just like the story and I'm done in the book. The story in the book, now this is getting up to date. They ____ Yahshua the Messiah was buried in Joseph's new tomb, and a stone rolled up to the door. Reason why the stone is rolled up to the door because the waters covered the face of the earth back here. And three days they were moved off of the face of the earth, Israel was three days coming up. That's line upon line, now Israel coming out of here that's three days journey and they were baptized in the Red Sea. Now let's keep the thing going. Now then, there, that angel after He was in there three days, that angel descended, I ain't got time going in there telling you about that phenomenal day, haven't got time to do that. Angel descended and moved the stone away and He resurrected from the dead on the third day. But now the soldiers went up there and told 'em that He had actually resurrected from the dead. And then they told the soldiers, 'Don't tell that to nobody. So if you let, if we, if we let this get out, we
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made a mistake when they crucified Him, we found out He was the son of Yahweh, as He said. Now if we let this other one get out, then our worse, our second mistake or error will be worse than the first, so don't let it get out. I, how much ____, just say anything, just like the rest of your lying preachers around here. Go out and tell 'em this, that while His disciples slept, His angels, His disciples come and stole Him away.' Right? Is that what they said? Is that written in your book. Now the reason why I brought that up, I wanna bring that up to date. Malachi 4:2 I believe it says, 'the Sun of Righteousness will rise with healing in His wing.' This is line upon line. This is precept upon precept. Children, now look here, carry it on back, when Adam was driven out of the garden of Eden, the sun was going down, it come down together. Ambassador College says this, that Yahshua the Messiah or Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead, Sabbath afternoon. Gill, don't you have a book to that affect?
Gill: Not here.
Dr. Kinley: I, I, I mean do you have one?
Gill: No.
Dr. Kinley: Well, I have one at home. That's what they say, He resurrected from the dead, Sabbath afternoon. Now the word Sabbath means rest. Now if He had resurrected Sabbath afternoon when He was laying in that tomb.
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by Dr. Henry C. Kinley
Los Angeles, California
received from Dr. Carl F. Gross
1 90 minute audio cassette tape
CATTLOG #: 74.0929
transcribed by Steve Laporte
proofread by Cathy Fenti, Michael Rothstein, and Gerry Rothstein
proofread and approved by International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
SCRIPTURE ORATION IN BACKGROUND FOR AWHILE
Dr. Kinley: ...of the time of their passover. Now Tuesday will be, the first and the beginning of the Feast of Tabernacles. Now I have tried hard, I have tried hard to tell you, that there is always going to be a reflection of those days. It never fails every year. Now just like the Feast of Tabernacles, it goes along with the seasons of the year and since it goes along with the seasons of the year, then you can expect fruition, at that time. So that is the Feast of Tabernacles. Now we just got out of the Day of Atonement, which ordinarily would be on the 10th of October, but it come on the 26th of September. Sundown on the 25th to sundown on the 26th was the Day of Atonement. Now Dr. Harris, he preached hard about that and we ought not to let these things go over our head. We should pay strict attention to 'em because of the fact, that as you approach and at this the, the, the end of this, I can't say at the end of the Age because that is already occurred, but as you, you go to the end of this probationary period or this extension of time. Just like Yahweh here when the end had come of the Age, Noah was told to build himself an ark because the end of all flesh, he didn't say it was coming, he said it had
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come, and so he's given a probationary period of 120 years while the ark was in preparing and so forth and so on. Now if we take the calculations of the 70 weeks or 490 years. Four times that, beginning from the first down to the end of that time, four times which would be 1960, nineteen hundred and sixty years. Now that was the end of the Age. Now I didn't calculate that, that's in your Bible. And everything the thing I'm standing up here telling you definitely is in your Bible. It's not no theory. It's not an imagination. It's not some hallucination and that's why I want you to pay strict attention to it, and call your attention to these things all the time. Now we wrote in the books so that you could be able to see and understand. Just like.., now the rising and setting of the sun that happens everyday now that's a testimony of the resurrection of Yahshua the Messiah, but the world knows nothing about it and yet and still it's just simple as it can be see, the sun rises and then the sunsets (sun sets?) and your always talking about the sunrise. It's in your papers sunrises (sun rises?) at such and such a time and sunsets (sun sets?) at such and such a time. Now that's a thing that happens everyday. Now we said that this 10th of October was the Day of Atonement and it occurred this time on the 26th, began on the 5th, the 25th, sundown 25th to sundown the 26th, was the Day of Oct.., Atonement. Now listen folks everyday is a day of an atonement. You got that, I told you that, when the daily sacrifice was offered up that was a, for an atonement for the souls of the people. But now on this 10th day of October, or the Day of Atonement the High Priest, he went into the Most Holy Place once every year, only just that one time every year, three times on that day, that meant that he went around in front of this Ark of the Covenant. Now Dr. Harris told you this, and I just don't want you to be overlooking and it correlates with the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians that Dr. Kim Clark read. Now look, Yahshua the Messiah, He, He didn't go, He didn't go down there like the High Priest did here, the High Priest he came to the this side of the vail and I want you to know that this vail covered the whole thing through here. It was not open like we have it here on this chart. But we tried everything, every kind of way we can to make you understand things and bring things to your attention so that you will realize and understand that Yahweh is a reality. And look, we don't need no debates about it, it's just, just true, that's all there is to it. And we try to tell you the true name, and we try to tell you how the world is in darkness, rooted in darkness and ignorance and superstition. And you got all these sects and cults and creeds and what nots out here and they don't actually know anything at all about it and we want you to be aware of it. Now look here. Let me make this real good and clear to you too. I want this understood. This school, I didn't say church, this school is the only one that is actually preaching the true gospel of the Kingdom in the world.
Student Body: Right, right, that's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, Yahweh sent some things right along with it to prove it.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now as simple as the things that I've told you about sunrise and sunset, as simple as that is, now a daily thing. How many preachers do you know, that can prove the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy, and the absolute infallibility of the resurrection of Yahshua the Messiah? Now it is said
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there in Matthew, that His disciples come and stoled Him away. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Did you ever hear tell of anybody stealing the sun away? Too hot to handle that's what I'm trying to tell you.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: That's just going on everyday out there and there is no excuse for it, your stupidity and colossal ignorance. And we want you to realize that you're right down near at the time of the end. When these things are being brought to your attention, not as just something as just to continue on in superstition and ignorance and for, not something for you to ignore and not obey. Not that easy, that's if you wanna be saved. Now if you wanna be saved, you just have to get up and get out of those sects and cults.
Student Body: Right, right, right.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen the Boss showed me, and I'm showing you. You can't argue with it. Everybody that's ever rose up against what we teach down at this school has been defeated for forty-three years. You can't get by with it, any more so than you can get by with an argument saying that the sun don't rise and the sun don't set. We give you that at jump. Now I wanna mention one or two other things about the Day of Atonement, and that is this. Now Dr. Harris already done told you about it and you never heard it before in your life. And I doubt seriously whether you'll hear it anymore afterwards, unless you hear it in this school, because they know nothing about it. And we wouldn't know nothing about it in this school either, if Yahweh hadn't revealed it to me. I, I wouldn't have known. So we still don't have nothing to boast about. You see that now? And we're not saying anything because we want to play big and important and all likea that, that's not it at all. What we want you to do is to realize, the reality of things, and realize that Yahweh is the reality and in as much so as one day follows another one, so also don't one age follow another one. It's got to open and close just like the days of the week. Now you just simply have to be aware. Now the majority of them that you know anything at all about the big shot preachers on T.V. and what not, they have plenty of money to sponsor such programs and all like that, but they don't have no knowledge of what it is all about. Now let me get on into this and get on down out of the way. Now the High Priest this is on the 10th, ordinarily on the 10th day of October, which was on the 26th of September this year. Now the High Priest took the blood of the beast in the, a container. Now pay, try to pay strict attention. Now this is why I'm on, this is what I'm talking about, I'm talking about Yahshua the Messiah now. That's what I'm trying to show you that this thing is a type.
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: It's in a shadow, it's in a reflection. Now he went to the right side of this vail, the High Priest, on the Day of Atonement. He had on his arm the censor that hung down and in his hand he had this container with this blood in it. And when he approached the vail, I'd be, just like I'm coming up here to it, now he approached the vail with the blood in his right hand and with the censor hanging on his arm and then he went to this side of the vail and he pushed this vail to this side, and then entered. He entered in at the right side. Then he took the censor and set it down right in front of the altar, right in front of the Ark, and that cloud formed out of that censor, that smoke. Are you with me thus far?
Student Body: Yes, yes.
Dr. Kinley: Then he went around to this side. The staves on the Ark, he took around this way, then he come on around throwing that blood, listen now. Now somebody want to argue something about it because they don't know, don't know nothing about it, you follow? Throwing that blood toward the mercy seat seven times, and that correlates with the Circle of Willis in your, in your cranial, cranial cavity. So you, now do you want to argue? Now you have the veins that run up and the arteries that run up the sides of your, both the sides of your head. One running one way and one running the other. Is that almost right Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: That's right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And those veins carrying that blood, why then you have blue, purple and scarlet right in the neck. And that neck formed that vail there. Now then he went to this side and he come on around, just like that Circle of Willis. And then he picked up the censor and he came back around he picked up the censor. Now where is he going? He's coming on down. He come to the left side now. And he's gonna push that vail back on the left side and he's gonna come on out the left side. What's that for? Why is that? What's that for? When he went in the right side, that's got him towards the future or toward the end.
Student Body: Right, right.
Dr. Kinley: When he come back through to the left side that carries on back to Adam.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That meant atonement was made for everybody. Now listen, get it straight now, get it straight. When Yahshua the Messiah was offered up, that was the atonement for every creature, all mankind. There was not and never is going to be anymore sacrifices offered up, period! Now you have to accept that one or else be lost, cause that's a fact. There is no more sacrifices for sin. There is no more offering for sin. That was not Jesus Christ, that was Yahshua the Messiah! Now then he had to come on down outta there, come on down, backed into, the Holy Place. This is the altar of incense, when he come on back outta there. Then he comes back to this altar. That is the censor, it's setting right on the altar, that's the altar of incense. Then, now as he walked around this, when that, when he
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went in there. I want, want you to see this. Now this blue, purple, and scarlet and these are garments for Beauty and Glory, not linin garments, not white garment, but they're blue, purple, and scarlet garments. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Or garments for Beauty and Glory. And around his skirt he wore there. Now listen to what I'm saying, there was bells around there and as he walked, those bells would ring. Now if he went in to this and didn't carry out the service right, if he didn't carry that service out, he'd be dead. Now that oughta tell you something. If these preachers don't carry this service out right, they're dead.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now I'm just giving it to you straight. Now there ain't gonna be no alibis. And he was, he couldn't put his hand, he couldn't touch that Ark of the Covenant. He just threw that blood, don't you touch it. If you touch, it you're dead. They threw that ox, cart, in the ox cart one time and they was transporting it from one place to the other. They was supposed to carry it by the staves on the shoulders, run through the Ark and those other vessels too were carried that way. Now listen at what I'm saying. But they threw it up in a ox cart and they was transporting it and it hit a rut. A man grabbed his hand on it to keep it from falling out of the ox cart. Right there is where he dropped dead. Now here we got this thing as it is. Now on this Ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy Place right above there is a seat, mercy seat. And Yahweh said in Leviticus 16:2 that He would dwell above the mercy seat, this is between the wings of the cherubim, that I would dwell there. Now this correalities (correlates?) to your brain, that cloud does. As Dr. Harris told you the other night. He did a beautiful job for me. Now what I wanna get at, is this. Now there's Roman Catholicism, in the Sedia Gestatoria, you see how they carry the popes around on the seat, regarding and bowing to this one and that one and the other? Now remember now, Yahweh said He would dwell, on that seat between the wings of the cherubim and a man, you couldn't touch it. Now here he is sitting his (DEMONSTRATING) ____ Now I'll just tell you plain, straight there up on it, and they for a figure of it that's what I'm talking about, and somebody carrying him around. Now you'll find in the second chapter of second Thessalonians, saying that that's just what that's what it's, it's all about. Now that's a strong delusion, because people will not accept the truth. And then Yahweh will give you that strong delusion, and cause you to be lost. Now when Yahweh gives you one, you, you've had it. Now look here folks. We've preached the truth down here, in this place that's, that's what we have done. We have preached the truth down... Now if you don't accept it, now Yahweh gonna send you a strong delusion. We've told you to get up and get out of the Roman Catholic church, we told you to get out of the Baptist, we've told you to get out of the Methodist, now if you don't do that, and other sects and cults, then Yahweh sends you a strong delusion, and cause you to think that you can be saved in it.
Student Body: Right.
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Dr Kinley: That angel flying through the midst of heaven in 17th and 18th chapter of Revelation, Babylon is fallen, Babylon means confusion, is fallen. And that angel is saying come out of her my people, come on out of her my people. Yahweh has got people in the holiness, in these churches, got people in the Roman Catholic, got people in all these sects and cults. And the angel is crying, come out of her my people that you be not a partaker of her sins and receive of her plagues. Now look it's a sin for you to call yourself taking a communion, and think that that's the body and blood of Yahshua the Messiah. And when you do that you're a partaker of their sins. Now you can't get along with it... Then somebody come up and, and say, 'well look here, did Jesus say as often as you eat this bread and drink of this cup, you show forth my death and suffering till I come.' He definitely did say it; that's Matthew 26:20. I know what's in that Bible, but that was under the dispensation of the Law. That was the last supper, just like this was the last sacrifice that's gonna be offered up. Now you can go ahead on eating it if you want to. He said, I won't be there with you no more. That's the way he said it to the Jews, he didn't that to the gentiles. Now we wanna get this over to you clear and clean, that was not a covenant with the gentiles. Your Bible does not teach, that Jesus said that to any gentile. That's not in the book. But they don't understand these dispensations and Ages. Now are you listening? Dr. Kim Clark read to you in the 15th chapter of I Corinthians. She said the first man Adam was of the earth, earthly, but the second man Adam, was the Elohim from heaven. Now listen, he was raised a quickening or life giving Spirit. Now then, by this Holy Spirit, I want you to see what I'm talking about, it is by the Holy Spirit that we preach, and you are a partaker of that Spirit. That is that true bread. That is that true communication or true communion. Now listen, if the blood of bulls and goats and heifers, sanctified to the purifying of the flesh, but it did not take away sin, neither will some grape juice and some crackers that somebody prayed over. We got to lay it down plain. Now then, after the High Priest had offered first for his own errors, and then for the errors of the people, and then for the cleansing of the sanctuary and he came on back down and prayed over the head of the scapegoat, a goat, and a fit man took that goat to the wilderness and turned it loose out there in the wilderness somewhere, that meant that Israel's sins was forgiven for that year. And the very next day they started again ____. Rotating that around but you didn't go in there until that one day of October...they were safe until October the 10th or whatever day it happened to fall on. Now you understand that? Now folks, this is what I'm trying to tell you, there's always gonna be a reflection of that. I've tried my best to teach you. Now could anybody stand up and tell me what that reflection was that 26th of September? Now I told you there was always gonna be one. Sit down. Dr. Harris and tell 'em about it.
Dr. Harris: The one that I saw was the blowing up of that destroyer type ship in the Black Sea. Now the Black Sea would be likened unto the Lake cause it's land bound, it only has one outlet from the Black Sea and that's through the Dardenalles (Dardanelles?). That ship blew up and it had 350 men on it. Now 350, that's three and five that's eight, that be likened unto the eight saved in Noah's Ark. And they said that ship was of the Kashin type. That's a Russian word K-A-S-H-I-N. Now that's what's happening down here at the end. All of us are gonna cash in (LAUGHS) our chips. Whether we be righteous or unrighteous everybody's gonna be cashed, cashed in and gonna get their just reward. So I thought that as a
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reflect. Blowing up of it is just showing how Yahweh just suddenly and the ship is called of the destroyer type. Now that's the name of the Devil, he's the Destroyer. That came on the 26th.
Dr. Kinley: Okay. Now how many of you noticed? Go ahead just stand up. Now I asked how many of you, hold your hand up or something I want everybody to see, all them that noticed them reflects. Okay, now I called your attention this time after it happened, not before, but I've told you time and time and over and over again: there's always gonna be the reflection of those things. Now you have a reflection of the Feast of Tabernacles. You will have a reflection of all of those things, which points to the reality of Yahweh and His existence. Now here's what I'm trying to get over to you, just like I've explained the simplicity of the rising and the setting of the sun, just like Messiah, He went on out and ascended off of the Mount of Olives in that cloud and those two men stood there by. Now He had arose from the dead and He ascended from the Mount of Olives and those two men, you find it in the first chapter of Acts of the Apostles. Read it Dr. Harris. Then He ascended str... look now, this is a vision, He ascended before He is fulfilling out on the Mount of Olives before He ascended. I want you to get this thing straight, you can stand on the Mount of Olives and look over on Mount Moriah. You are above Mount Moriah on the Mount of Olives. So then He raised up His hand over Jerusalem, toward Jerusalem and He blessed Jerusalem. Is that right? You follow it now? And then the cloud took Him on in. Raised up. Now that was not a physical man. Took Him on in to the nominal heaven or the physical sky out here, but now look that is not the third Heaven. Dr. Allen told you about the third Heaven, how Paul laid right flat on his back, there on the way going to Damascus, and he was caught up to the third Heaven. Now look here, let me give it to you this way, so you can see something about this third Heaven. If you took the wings of morning and you flew on out to the outer parameters of this universe, I mean ascend on clear up, wherever you can go, makes no difference where it is, upon the sun, the moon, the stars, any planet up there, Yahweh's there. I just wanted, well, I wanted, I wanted, want you to become conscience of it. Now Yahweh is there. If you made your bed in the lowest hell, Yahweh is there. Wither shall you go to flee from Yahweh, in the third Heaven? That's why you can sit right on your seat right now, right where you are and in your conscience and in your spirit and can be in the third Heaven, in your physical body walking around here down on the Earth. Those are things that people just simply do not understand. Your hypocrite preachers, they don't understand nothing. So now I thought that I would get up and call your attention to that. Now there's one other thing that I want you to pay attention to and that's this. Now on this chart here. We don't have the right order on here, because the fact of the matter is this. What we was trying to do, was not show you how that the Tabernacle wasn't built at this time. There, there was no Tabernacle, they just had the materials for it. Moses threw down the commandments and broke them. Now then after this Tabernacle was constructed and built, Yahweh said this, Elohim told Moses, told him up in the mount, to build a Tabernacle like the one that he had seen in the cloud. Now when he got down outta there and started, after he took care of this situation here with this golden calf. Then he started here to giving them the dimensions of the Tabernacle and so forth and so on. Then he had somebody down there just like we have around us. Abiram, Dathan and Korah, they said,
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'that thing that you got there in your camp that ain't gonna do, that's too flimsy.' Now you find in Jude, Korah over there perished in the gain saying (gainsaying?). Well now they withstood Moses. Now here's the thing about it. Now I want you to take this one home with you. Now I've tried my best to stand up here and show you and tell you that Yahweh has showed me a vision. I am not no smarter than anybody else. No wiser than any other man. Yahweh showed me the vision. I drew it out, in limitations of course, just like Yahweh showed me. And I had all kinds of contestants trying to tell me about water baptism and here that thing is ended. Trying to tell me about Lord's suppers and that's ended. All carnal ordinances is ended and we're now into spiritual thing in this Age. Now listen at what I'm saying. Now you see how many people, how many millions and billions there are just sitting around here telling us that we're wrong. Now it's no great thing for some preacher to come here or some person in the audience to say that we're wrong. Now the, the world says that, so you won't be by yourself saying it. Everybody, what everybody says. Now, now don't forget this one though, that's what they thought about Yahshua the Messiah. And they thought he had a demonic spirit incarnated in Him. So then as you can see it's alright for people to say these things, cause every Tom, Dick, and Harry... He hid this thing from the wise and the prudent and revealed it unto babes. Now look, to get back and finish the story. Now, Moses was to build the Tabernacle like he'd seen it in the cloud. Dr. Harris did you find the book?
Reader: Acts 1:9
Dr. Kinley: Acts 1:9
Reader: And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
Dr. Kinley: Now the same cloud, here, is the one that descends on him. Now where you get this ascension at? The last time that Moses went up into the mountain, he carried them 10, them tables of stones, these tables of stones. Joshua's with him. He took the elevator. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now you see why I brought that up? Now the elevator, I'm talking about is this, the cloud stood. Now that's in the book. Everything I say to you is in the book, it does, read it Dr. Harris.
Reader: Exodus 33, about 11.
Dr. Kinley: Eleven, I think twelve
Reader: And it came to pass, eighth verse, when Moses went out unto the meeting tent that all the people rose up, and stood every man at his tent door and looked after Moses, until he was gone into the tabernacle. And it came to pass as Moses entered into the meeting tent, the cloudy pillar descended...
Dr. Kinley: Um hum, the cloudy pillar descended...
Reader: And stood at the door of the meeting tent...
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Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Reader: And Yahweh talked with Moses...
Dr. Kinley: Then Yahweh talked with Moses, the very next verse...
Reader: And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the meeting tent door...
Dr. Kinley: Um hum...
Reader: And all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door...
Dr. Kinley: Um hum...
Reader: And Yahweh-Elohim spake unto Moses.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's what I want you to see now. Go ahead on.
Reader: Face to face...
Dr. Kinley: Um hum...
Reader: As a man speaketh unto his friend...
Dr. Kinley: Speaketh unto his... that's right. Alright read on.
Reader: And he turned again into the camp...
Dr. Kinley: Um hum...
Reader: But his servant Joshua the son of Nun...
Dr. Kinley: Um hum...
Reader: A young man departed not out of the meeting tent.
Dr. Kinley: Now he stayed right in that meeting tent. He did not depart outta there, that tent door. That cloud was down over that door. Now then he told them to take these tables of stone up into the mountain. Then this time, this last time when he did the writing on those tables of stone... He sat still in the tent and the cloud covered the tent door. He didn't go up to the plateau of the mountain with Moses and them ____ ____ ____ ____. They didn't see him in or out, come out of the tabernacle or out of the tent at all, but He did write with His finger up there in them tables of stone just like he did this time. Well now then if they didn't see Him come out, He took the elevator. Now here's what I mean by taking the elevator. He took the cloud. and they didn't see that. Then He went on up to the top of that mountain, that is to say He ascended in the cloud. Now do you see what I mean? He ascended in the cloud. Now after He did all this, Yahshua the Messiah carried it on here both times both places, then He ascends in the cloud. And just only a
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few people saw that, as witnesses and then she read it in the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians this morning. Now listen, they saw that. Now the people think He's gone. That's what the world is talking about. They think He's gone and won't be back no more until He's, well let's say it this way, revealed from Heaven. I told, I tried to show you where Heaven was, being revealed from Heaven, that's the whole thing, the third Heaven. But what they're thinking is about they're gonna be looking with a physical eye because over there in Revelation it says every eye shall see Him, and He would descend on a cloud or in a cloud, and every eye would see Him, but these folks don't have no eye. and they don't have no ears either. Now look folks, I'm trying to conclude now, so I can let somebody just preach. I'm not trying to preach, I'm trying to tell you, and give you full assurance that this gospel is right what we're talking about. Well now after that ascension, as you see it right here, on that cloud. Now move right over ten days after that which we don't say very, we don't say nothing about, about this. When we get on these charts, we don't say much about it. This, this is, is pentecost, ten days after His ascension there on in the cloud. Now He's still yet in the cloud. And now He poured out the Holy Spirit. Yahweh poured out... Now He said He would be a quickening spirit. Now here He comes right back. This is the descent of the Holy Spirit. Now, my thought to you here is this, the people are looking at the thing with a carnal mind and thinking that He's gone off, when He's a quickening spirit, as she read there in 15th chapter of I Corinthians. They witnessed this, but they didn't see this. Well now on the day of Pentecost when they were sitting in, in this one place, cloven tongues, and they set upon each one of 'em. Cloven means divided tongues, right in the same place. Now if you would carry this right on back in the same place, and on out into the ____ you'd find, that them cloven tongues is symbolical of the Holy Spirit or a divided tongue, just like that dove that John saw. Well now the Holy Spirit, your body is the tabernacle of it, just like the Holy Spirit dwelled between the wings of the cherubim in this Tabernacle, so then the Holy Spirit has got to dwell in your tabernacle or your body between the wings of the cherubim, up here. And that's what we're ministering to you is the spirit. It's with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. And the observance of them carnal ordinances. Get up there Freddie and show them what I'm talking about. And the observance of water baptism and all those things was brought to an end. It was given to the Jews only and now we're in the Spirit of it. Now listen folks to what I'm saying, you have to have the Holy Spirit now in this Age, from the 6th day of June A.D. 33 down to it now, that puts you into the Kingdom of Heaven, now if that puts you...I don't mean after a while, I mean now, puts you into the Kingdom of Heaven now. And now the Kingdom of Heaven doesn't come by observations. You don't see that that way, but now the Holy Spirit in, in your body. Now here's the importance of what I'm trying to tell you. That's what's in this Age Freddie... There is no carnal ordinance in this Age. The Holy Spirit, that's what all those carnal ordinances was pointing to, was the Holy Spirit, so when you got the Holy Spirit, you got what all the carnal ordinances pointed to. Now that's what's in this present Age. Now remember, don't overlook it, don't forget, don't miss it. If that's what's in this Age, what's in the next Age? Now she read it there, outta the book the Holy Spirit is in a mortal or corruptible body. You heard me Freddie, that's all that's in this Age now. No water baptism, no offering up of no sacrifices, none of that, but the Holy Spirit in a man preaching the Gospel and used by the Holy Spirit and you are a
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partaker of the Holy Spirit setting right down on your seat. As Galatians's says, the third chapter, He that ministers to you the Spirit, does he do it by the works of the Law? Third chapter of Galatians. No, He doesn't do it that way. Now Freddie. Now, I have to move now. I told you what is in this Age. And anybody anywhere on earth that's preaching anything any different, is wrong.
Student Body: Right, that's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now then it's incumbent upon us to tell you what is in the Age yet to come. That's the reason why I mentioned the Day of Atonement and then the Feast of Tabernacles. Now in the Age yet to corner, then you have a, better read it again Dr. Clark, somebody read it, in I Corinthians...
Reader: 15th chapter...
Dr. Kinley: 15th chapter, now this is a mortal body, this is a physical body, this is a natural body, if you breathe with the Holy Spirit in it. That's all that's in this Age. Yahweh is Spirit. Can't you see or are you so dumb that you can't see that if you have Yahweh or the Holy Spirit in you, then there's no bullocks, no doves, no playing with no crackers and grape juice, no dragging somebody else up through the river and lakes and things. You couldn't have anything any greater. Alright read.
Reader: I Corinthians 15:44 first. [CUT IN TAPE]
Dr. Kinley: ...about this Tabernacle. Now said this is not the right layout for it. And to tell, Dr. Harris getting it, in the, in the last chapter of Exodus and read just one verse for me, where that when Moses: had completed the Tabernacle. Then this same cloud that he saw Him in, comes down and covered the cloud... but Abiram, Dathan and Korah.., Moses just drew the line with his foot, said now all on Yahweh's side get over here, all on the other side get over there. And so the earth just opened up and swallowed them up, that's it, all them that weren't standing with Moses. Now, that's just the same thing gonna happen with this one. It's gonna be swallowed up in the Lake. I mean your physical body. And we're not down here to debate and argue with nobody. We're down here to tell you like it is. Now you can come back if you want to. Now if you don't want to, that's up to you. That's not our, that's not our business. But now we aren't gonna change a thing to fit with nobody's doctrine.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now we're going on an build this structure just like Yahweh said, this is the pattern and when it was completed, then what Dr., Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: Exodus 40:34
Dr. Kinley: Um, hum...
Dr. Harris: Then a cloud covered the tent of the Congregation.
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Dr. Kinley: That cloud come on down and covered it, that showed that Moses did see it in the cloud and Yahweh...he builded the thing like Yahweh showed him and Yahweh endorsed it by the cloud coming down. That he showed him in, it's the same cloud. Now how about that witness. He built just like Yahweh told him. Now he told him to build...
SIDE 2
Dr. Kinley: The cloud coming down because it's the same cloud. Now how about that reverend. He had did it, just like Yahweh told him. Now he told him to build that Tabernacle, that he may dwell among them. Well why you... I thought you was already among them. No, he was back over here on the back side of the mountain. So that he wanted this built here so that he could dwell among them. Now then when they got it finished, listen folks, I had the man to write 3 times 8 on this thing, three times eight is twenty-four. So now then after the Tabernacle was built, then three tribes on each side, three times four, is four sides three times, four is... Gentlemen.
Student Body: Twelve.
Dr. Kinley: twelve and twice twelve is twenty-four.
Student Body: Twenty-four.
Dr. Kinley: Now there is your twelve tribes, three on each side of this Tabernacle here. Three here, three there, three here, and three there, three times twelve, three times eight, no I mean three times four, three times four is twelve. Now listen, under the dispensation of the Law, there was twelve tribes and under the dispensation of Grace, there is how many?
Student Body: Twelve.
Dr. Kinley: Twelve apostles. And now look, the promise that Yahweh's made to Abraham is included in that, he had to reach clear on back, I told back to Adam to pick up the promise here too. Now look, here's what I'm trying to tell you. That's the twenty-four elders, that's gathered around the throne, that John is talking about in Revelation 24. Now there was Isaac and Ishmael then you come on down to Jacob and Jacob had twelve sons and so also did Ishmael, Ishmael. And the gentiles and the Jews: twelve tribes of the Jews, and twelve of the Israel, of the Ishmaelites, I'll just call them Ishmaelites, they were twelve sons. That's twenty-for. Twelve and twelve is twenty-four. Now look here's what I got that from, when the High Priest went in here, he went on around, come on around, went down this side and come down here, that made an eight. When, when he went in here and then went around that, that made an eight in there. When he put the blood on the horns of alter (altar?) here, he went on around here to the altar that made an eight there. So eight, eight, eight, one, two, three, three times eight is twenty-four. That's the twenty-four elders gathered around the throne. Now look folks, the devil, he don't know nothing about nothing like that, he don't understand a thing about it. And the throwing of that blood toward the mercy seat when that
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high priest go around. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. You can turn your head to this side and you can turn your head to that side. Well then we'll just say this is the beginning back here to the left, this is the beg.., end over here on the right, so you can turn your head both ways. Now when he had completed that service there around that throne, then Yahweh accepted it, the shechinah flashed. Shechinah means a light and he could see that image in that light, that she read in the 16th Chapter of Leviticus and the second verse you'll see him sitting there in a vision on that throne, that is to say, this one now. He's accepted their atonement. And the man come on outta there and there was much rejoicing in ____ because ____ ____ ____. And hope that you might have gotten something outta what I... Thank you.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
recorded by Fred Allen Jr.
1 90 minute audio cassette
CATTLOG #: 74.1103
transcribed by Sandra Giragosian
proofread by Susan Ameigh, Michael Rothstein, and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
SCRIPTURE READING. I Timothy 4th chapter
TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Dr. Fred Allen Jr: This next lecture of Dr. Kinley was given on November the third, 1974. This lecture contains a lot of Dr. Kinley's testimony of his life, which I feel has a lot of information that you would like to know about. The last few minutes of the lecture is missing, due to...
Dr. Kinley: First of all, as the Moderator told you that I am the Founder of the school. Forty-three years ago, in 1931, after I had preached and taught in the Church of God for 15 years, before that I was a Methodist, and before that I, I went to the Roman Catholic Church.
Fact of the matter is that all my life, even from my very earliest days of my remembrance, I always believed, or thought that there was a deity or a God, even
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when I was nothing but a child. But I was anxious to find and know something about Him, so I went to Sunday School, holding on to my mother's hand, Baptist church. And I would ask mother, since everybody said that Jesus was coming, and you have a lotta people talking about that now, believing that Jesus will come. And I wondered about it, and I'd ask mother, 'Do you think Jesus is going to be here today? If He is, I want to see Him.' I don't know, I just had that desire to see Him, all of my life.
And when I was older, I was.., then joined the Methodist Church. And I couldn't get no satisfaction. And then I left there and went and joined the Holiness Church, the Church of God. And for many years, 15 years before that, I was assistant pastor in there. And they are people that believed in the Bible, chapter and verse, and very dogmatic about what they believe and teach. Well, I couldn't see their point of view either, all the way through. But I thought it was my duty to belong to something, some church. Thought it was necessary. So, finally by and by, I always believed in speaking things that I really believed, if I didn't believe it I just couldn't go along with it.
Now the Church of God taught two works of grace; that if you received Jesus first, that was the main thing. I knew that was impossible, because He wasn't in the flesh that way. That was called the first work of grace. And then you went on for an indefinite period of time, and then you received the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit. Now, that was the second work of grace. They couldn't tell you about any days, or anything at all about it but that was the way it was. And some were teaching three works of grace Now I never have seen that grace was a work. I thought that grace was a, an unmerited gift. So I couldn't accept that there was a work of grace, not even certain.
By and by, with all of that humility and drive in me, I got pretty far up in Unity Holiness Church. Fact of the matter, I was on the General Council. I was nothing but a child too, very young. And everybody liked to hear me preach; and not only that, I had me a gift of what they call divine healing. And I laid my hands on people that were crippled and every other kind of thing was wrong with them, and they were healed of all kinds of disease. That was a service that we had in the church every Sunday morning. That was first, before we went into other parts of the service.
So, I said that, so that I can point out to you that with that sincerity and that desire to know, all of my life, I did not realize, I did not know a lot of things, and I realized that I didn't. What I tried to do was to preach and teach about what was in the Bible. Now there's some things I didn't know, that I want to mention to you that are important for you to know, and show you how that, that you can be very easily deceived.
First, the dispensations and ages... Now, in the world today, they don't go along with dispensations and ages. They just say, 'The Bible says, that's what it reads'. Anywhere we read in the Bible, that pertains to you, now that's not so. The Ten Commandments as it is called, that's given from Mt. Sinai, was given to the Jews only, wasn't one Gentile in there.
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Now, the Seventh Day Adventists say, 'Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy'. And all of their teaching is predicated upon the observance of the Sabbath Day, the seventh day, Saturday. And look how many millions of people that belong to that.
The Jews were the only one or the Hebrews were the only ones that was given that first covenant. And now, primarily all of the churches, it doesn't make any difference which one you wanna talk about, they blunder that one colossal blunder, that all of the churches make. They shouldn't do that. Then, what was given to the Jews then, in that dispensation and in that age, was carnal ordinances. Now when we say carnal ordinances, we're talking about water baptism, Passover suppers, which some of you have in recent times called the Lord's supper, foot washings, and many others, natural, carnal ordinances. They were given to the Jews only.
Now the world is practicing what was given to the Jews. Roman Catholics are practicing the Mass, the Eucharist, the Lord's Supper. That's wrong. Now, let me say this before I move from there. It's even wrong now for the Jews to practice it, because that was under the Old Covenant. Now some of the Church of God people said right recently, 'No, that was not under the Old Covenant.' Says it was given down in Egypt, and that was before the Law was given from Mt. Sinai. I'd like to inform you that you have the same deity. Just like I informed you about, that you have the same deity. You have the same one now, say the same thing.
Now all of those things, natural things, and even down to the totality of the physical universe, I'm talking about everything, everything natural, everything physical, was made as it is to point to the spiritual. The natural is definitely not the reality of it. Yahweh was manifested in the flesh in a physical body. He did not remain permanently in that physical body. So, now, since that be the case, then nothing natural, nothing physical in this age, not a thing... And every physical body must be changed. There is something wrong with everybody. Well somebody might say, 'Well, what's wrong with me? The doctor gave me a clean bill of health.' Yes, but you have a physical body; and that physical body must be changed!
Now, that brings me down to say this; and I wanna be heard too. What then, is in this age? Then what is in the next age? We might put it like this. The question was asked of the apostles, the Messiah, when they was in prison. 'What shall I do to be saved?' Now, if you're gonna listen at these people out in churches... They say, 'Well, you're a candidate for baptism, you must join some church. You must be governed and ruled by the rules and regulations of that church.' That's wrong. Now, I'm just putting it down practical. That's what I'm talking about, put it down practical, that's wrong. Now, to show you the reality of it, there's millions of them in the Roman Catholic Church, the Baptist Church, the Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church, and so forth and so on. Now, they all can't be right. Well, somebody says, 'We all have some of the truth. You got some truths over there, and you got some truth...' No, that's not so either. There isn't but just one truth. You either have it, or else you don't. Then somebody comes along and they say, 'Well, you got the Devil in you, and God too, or Yahweh, too.' No, that's not so either.
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Now that brings me around to tell you, Yahweh showed me. I was caught up into Heaven itself. And what I received, I received it direct from Yahweh. And that's the reason why this school was founded in 1931, we have preached and taught the vision and the revelation that Yahweh has given to me. I wanna tell you something about that. There hasn't been nobody, nowhere, in no religion that's been able to refute it. You can't do that. And we challenged the world. We have something to go by, something definite, something positive, something concrete, something real, something irrefutable, something undeniable to go by. We know what we're talking about and what we're doing. And Yahweh didn't just leave it like that either, for somebody to get up and say, 'we should all say the same thing.' I just got through saying that if you're going to listen at them fellows... And if that were so, then they would all be together. So, you know they can't be all, you know they're not all together, so they're not all preaching and teaching the same thing.
And I wanna say right here, I wanna repeat this. Now, if I were teaching the same thing they're teaching out there, any of them I'm talking about, then I too would be wrong. I'm not teaching anything that the world out there, I'm not teaching what the world out there teaches, in none of the churches. I don't care what church it is, a Jehovah's Witness, or none of them, I'm not teaching no parts of none of that. I tell you, they don't know what they're talking about. And I say they can't prove what they're talking about. We can. We can prove it. And there's no salvation in none of that out there.
Now we had a scripture that's been read this morning. I want you to look at that 1st verse, this is Paul talking to Timothy. Please read, and read fast. I wanna get down, and get somebody else, a dean, or somebody to just preach. And we want somebody up here that's gonna tell you something about this thing. I just might as well be honest with you this morning. We, we, we, we want, we want you to be benefitted this morning and we're very careful about what we are saying and we do possess the ability to prove it to you. And nobody can overcome it. Now, they've been trying it. Now I want you to know that, too. Read.
Dr. Harris: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly...1
Dr. Kinley: Now, it didn't say that the man said it. This is Paul's letter to Timothy. He didn't say, 'Now, look, I'm speaking in person.' He didn't say that. He said, 'Now the Spirit speaketh expressedly...' Read.
Dr. Harris: that in the latter times...
Dr. Kinley: Now that's the reason why I had that read, because it's right down here where you are. Right down here where you are, in this present age. Yahshua, the Messiah, spoke of it in the 24th chapter of Matthew, the 21st chapter of Luke, and the 13th chapter of Mark. And it's worse now than it's ever been in the history of the world. And for your information, I don't think some of you know it, the Roman Catholics number is up over 550 million. They believe that 1975,
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which is but a very few days from now, the end of the world will come and Jesus will come down through the sky. The Jehovah's Witnesses believe the same thing; and they're preaching and teaching that 1975 will be the end of the world. The Church of God is teaching the same thing; 1975 will be the end of the world.
Now, if you look back at the first age, 1656,
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we're at this age have already overrun that one, the first age, I'm talking about from Adam to the Flood. That's only 1656 years. And now you're 1900 years, in this age, in this one, present age. So it's got to end. I don't say 1975, but the Spirit is speaking expressly, before the age can end. Here you are, with all this erroneous doctrine out here, the Spirit's speaking expressly of it, in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith. Doing what? Giving heed to seducing spirits... Every one of them damnable angels that were cast out of heaven, that you read about in the 12th chapter of Revelations, is preaching and teaching an erroneous doctrine. They are men, they are spirits incarnated in a physical body and preaching all this junk and stuff that you got going on in the world that makes up the Spirit speaketh expressly in the latter days warning you about it. Do you understand what I mean?
Just in one year alone, the Roman Catholic Church lost 40 million people. And there's a whole lot more, I mean from the Pope on down, that don't believe a thing about what they teach. They know better. They know that Jesus Christ never left him to build no church on Peter. They know better than that. But people just hanging on to these traditions and customs. Well, we don't.
The Spirit speaketh expressive that in the latter time, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to Jehovah's Witnesses, and Roman Catholics, and Baptists, and Methodists, and what not. Now could I speak any plainer than that? ...giving heed to the Pharisees, and the Scribes, and the Sadducees, and the what have you, and the Nazarenes, and the Nicolaitanes (Nicolaitans?), and so forth and so on.
What are they doing there Doc?
Dr. Harris: ...giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of demons;
Dr. Kinley: Now that's what we're talking about. We're talking about a damnable or a doctrine of a demon, a.., the father called them damnable heresies. Doctrines of demons... Doctrines! I'm talking about the doctrine, the doctrine in the Roman Catholic Church is wrong. If you don't know what's the matter with it, the doctrine is wrong! If you don't know what's the matter with the Baptist Church, the doctrine is wrong! That's what's wrong with all of them. The doctrine is wrong. And they're giving heed to erroneous doctrines that are taught. I just got through telling you about one.
Why would you go back here? To carnal ordinances was given to Israel. The book says so! Was not given to the Gentiles! And they bring up something like
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that and then pin it down on you here in this dispensation and age, something natural, something physical. And then got the nerve to say that Jesus said for us to do this too. No such of a thing.
Now I'll, I'll just open your eyes to something here. This Passover, this, down in Egypt, was given to the Hebrews. Now listen to what I am saying. It was given by Yahweh. There wasn't one Gentile in it. Now, this is the first one. Now, if there wasn't one in the first one, there can't be one in the last one. Now, if you are wise enough to see that Yahweh is making that covenant with the seed of Jacob, or the Israelites, no Gentiles... Now, if you look at the last one, 26th chapter of Matthew... l, I don't want you to do a whole lot of reading. I'm just telling you a lot of things. You'll find that Yahshua took His disciples, and He ate in the upper room, and everyone of His disciples, all twelve of 'em, was every last one were Jews, and not a Gentile is even invited to it! Never has been in the history of the world. Now that does completely away with that.
I wanna tell you something else about that same thing. They ate that in their own home, in their, in their house. They did not eat it up in the congregation of the assembly, like they're doing it in the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant churches. You wanna argue about it? Never was done that way in the history of the world, by those it was given to. You wasn't even invited to the party. Now I've said things like this, and people have challenged me on it. Preachers who go to different churches challenged me on it. And, I want you to know they have. They're smart as us; but they had to go down. That's right.
Now I'll tell you what you can't do. You can't take your Bible... I'm showing these erroneous things that you've been taught all your life, and blundering and stumbling around over, that the Spirit is telling you about. You can't take your Bible, and listen, I'm not particular about where you read either, from Genesis on to Revelations; you can't take your Bible and show us Yahweh, which is real, Elohim, or Yahshua, the Father, the Word or Son, the Holy Spirit, Lord, God, Jesus Christ, Jehovah, or Allah, or Baal - I think I almost covered the waterfront there. Everything.., anything in your Bible, or in the history of the ages, where a Gentile should be baptized in physical water as an ordinance. It's not in your Bible. If you think it is, I would like for you to read it right now, or tell me where to read it. Just hold up your hand. I said it wasn't in there.
Now somebody at this ditch, when I make a statement like that, they might wanna tell me about what Peter said down over there in the 1Oth chapter of the Acts of Apostles. See now with a mind like that, it's easy to get you all messed up. You don't, you don't pay attention to what is said. I said the Lord, God, and Jesus Christ, and Yahweh, and then you tell me about what Peter said. Peter said a whole lot of things he had to take back. I could read them to you out of the book. Well, one thing he said, when Yahshua was coming down from the Mt. of Transfiguration, he said, 'No death will you die.' But He did. And Yahweh, Yahshua said then, 'Get thee behind me Satan. Thou savor not the things of Yahweh.’2 He said that.
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Now, let me go on with the story, so you can understand what I'm talking about. Just wanted to point those things out to you and just show you. You can't take your Bible and show nowhere in it, where a Gentile is supposed to be baptized in physical water. It's not in it. You can't show where he's supposed to eat the Lord's Supper, or the Feast of the Passover. It's not in the Bible. You can't show where he's supposed to have his feet washed. It's not in the Bible. Now, if you think it is... Now, you got a break this morning. You can have the pulpit, I'll give it to you. And I just got through telling you, if I was teaching the same thing they were teaching out there, I would be wrong, too. I'm telling you that that Old Covenant was given to the gentiles or given to the Jews. Now look folks, 430 years before Yahweh spoke from Mt. Sinai, He made a promise to Abraham, that in his seed He would bless all the families of the earth. And that seed is this, Yahshua, the Messiah.
Now the works of grace: He came in and He did all of the works here. Said, 'I will work a work in your day, ye shall not believe though a man declare it unto you.' That's the 1st chapter of Habakkuk. He did the work. That's the reason why I ain't gonna buy, I ain't gonna buy no grace as being a work. Grace is not a work. Grace is an unmerited favor. You can't merit salvation by something you do, other than believe on Yahshua the Messiah. That's what you're supposed to do. I'm telling you what the Bible teaches.
Now listen, Romans 10:17. I want you to see this. Now, I want you to see this. I want you to understand this. See, it's Yahweh's responsibility... Listen folks, at what I'm saying. It's Yahweh's responsibility to send somebody to you to preach, to teach the truth. And there's a many an erroneous doctrine that's being taught in the world, nevertheless there is... that, that doctrine of Yahweh is there in the world. Read.
Dr. Harris: So then faith cometh by hearing...
Dr. Kinley: Now then, faith, I want you to see what I'm talking about. Faith comes by hearing. Now, if you never heard what I just told you... See? You follow? Faith then comes by hearing, you've got to hear it. Possibilities are you never heard nobody say nothing like that. But faith comes by hearing. Read.
Dr. Harris: And that by the Word of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: And that by the Word of Yahweh. Read on
Dr. Harris: But I say, Have they not heard?
Dr. Kinley: But I say, Have they not heard?
Dr. Harris: Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth...
Dr. Kinley: Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth and everywhere. Read on.
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Dr. Harris: and their words unto the ends of the world.
Dr. Kinley: and their words unto the ends of the world. Read.
Dr. Harris: But I say, did not Israel know?
Dr. Kinley: But did not Israel know? Israel know. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: First Moses said,
Dr. Kinley: First Moses said,
Dr. Harris: I will provoke you to jealousy
Dr. Kinley: I will provoke you to jealousy
Dr. Harris: by them that are no people,
Dr. Kinley: by the Gentiles! Now I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people or the Gentiles. Read on.
Dr. Harris: and by an unenlightened nation I will anger you.
Dr. Kinley: and by an unenlightened... See, the Gentiles they were not enlightened. Now I want you to understand what we're talking about when we say that: the Law wasn't given to him, he was unenlightened, and for the most part, they're still yet unenlightened. Unenlightened... Read on.
Dr. Harris: But Isaiah is very bold,
Dr. Kinley: But Isaiah is very bold,
Dr. Harris: and saith,
Dr. Kinley: and saith,
Dr. Harris: I was found by them that sought Me not;
Dr. Kinley: I was found by them, the Gentiles, that sought Me not. Read on, please.
Dr. Harris: I was made manifest unto them that asked not after Me.
Dr. Kinley: Now hold what you just have there, and go to Timothy. I think it's 3:16, 'For without controversy great is the mystery...'3
Dr. Harris: And without controversy, great is the mystery of Yahweh
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Dr. Kinley: Now, you're talking about the Gentiles there, where we just was reading at in Romans. He was found by them that didn't seek Him. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh was manifest in the flesh,
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, listen here. Now you just might as well start out to understand this this morning. Yahweh, that's all the deity that there is anywhere, was manifested in Yahshua the Messiah, whom the folks call Jesus Christ. Yahweh is the Father. Now, the way the world has got it, the Father here is one, the Son is here is two, and the Holy Ghost is over here is three. Three distinctive individual personalities. That is not so. Hold what you've got and read Deuteronomy 4 and 6, or 6:4.
Dr. Harris: Hear, O Israel:
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. He's telling you, now He's gonna tell you something, and He's expecting you to hear. Somebody say, 'Well, I ain't going to hear.' Well, you're just gonna be lost. Hear, O Israel:
Dr. Harris: Yahweh, our Elohim
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh, our Elohim
Dr. Harris: is Yahweh, a unity.
Dr. Kinley: is Yahweh, not three distinctive individual personalities. You understand plain English, don't you? He's Yahweh a unity, not a trinity. See that now? And Israel was told to hear it. Now, go right back to where you was reading there in Timothy.
Dr. Harris: And without controversy...
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, ain't no need in no debate about it. We don't care to debate the issue. Without any controversy... Read.
Dr. Harris: great is the mystery of Yahweh...
Dr. Kinley: Now, it's a great big mystery... You can't expect every Tom, Dick, and Harry to understand it. That's the reason why they got ail these denominations and sects and cults in the world. Great is the mystery of Yahweh. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh was manifest in the flesh,
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh or the Father was manifested in the flesh, or in His son, Yahshua the Messiah. Now that's all there was. Wasn't no other deity beside Him. And you're talking about God; and Jehovah's Witnesses say Jesus was God's chief representative on earth. Now, that's a lie, that ain't so. Yahweh was manifested in the flesh. Yahweh was manifested in Yahshua. Don't forget it wasn't
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why we had you to come over here, said He was manifested or made known to them that was no people, the Gentiles. Now, I, I went through this to show you when and where. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: Justified in the Spirit,
Dr. Kinley: Justified in the Spirit,
Dr. Harris: seen of angels,
Dr. Kinley: seen of angels,
Dr. Harris: preached unto the Gentiles,
Dr. Kinley: Now you see ____ ____ ____ everybody? Preached unto the Gentiles... Oh, I tell you, it's wonderful. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: He was found of them that wasn't seeking Him, so He preached to the Gentiles. Yahweh manifested in that physical body. Yes, He did. And He was found.., that wasn't looking for it, but they was.., He was found of them that wasn't seeking Him. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: believed on in the world,
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, He was believed on in the world. Now listen at me, what I'm gonna say. Nicodemus... Nicodemus was one of the 70 of the Sanhedrin Council, that went down to Yahshua's house by night. And now here these 70 elders here, now he was one of the 70 over, over there, that's come down from that 70 that, in the 24th chapter of Exodus. They was the leaders and the chief of Israel. Nicodemus was a ruler of the Jews. And he went down to Yahshua's house by night. Now listen to what he said to Him, this is the 3rd chapter of John. He said, 'Master, we know...' We who? All 70 of us hypocrites. We know, even though we have been out there challenging you to debates and all, trying to make a fool out of you; 'we know that you're a teacher come from Yahweh.' How do you know that? 'Because no man can do the miracles which you do, except Yahweh be right with you.' Now before, ____ since Yahweh being up there in the sky, He's down here, that wasn't what they say. Yahweh was right with Him. And how they knew it, was no man could do the miracles which they had, that which He had done. Well, what did He do? What kind of miracle did He perform? Healed the sick, raised the dead, walked on water, stilled the oceans and the sea, the wind and the waves. No man could do nothing like that, except Yahweh be right with him.
Now you know the reason why I said that? For your information, that's what we have been doing in this school. And we have letters of authority and records to testify of them, and people setting right in this audience that have been healed of all kinds of diseases Now, how about that. Now, if that be the case, you know
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I can't do it, I can't even heal my ownself. That's why the Messiah said, 'I can of my ownself do nothing. My Father in Me, He doeth the works.' I haven't never healed nobody, but they've been healed. Yes, indeed, right where Dr. King is setting there, right here now, there's a woman in a wheelchair sitting right here in the front row. And all back in Ohio...
Just a, just a, just a couple of weeks ago. I'm out here in Los Angeles and that's way back there in Ohio. The doctors cussed me out at a Roman Catholic hospital, because the, the baby, my grandson's baby, he had swallowed a french fry, it lodged in his throat, and he called me on the phone and asked me about it. And he told the doctor he couldn't operate on him until he called me, he couldn't do anything like that. And I told him, 'Take the baby by the heels and just shake him like that.' He said, 'well the doctor said,' they got really hot about it. He said that's an old method. He said, 'We don't do it that way no more.' Roman Catholic.
Now he's not.., I'll tell you something else. Right in that hospital, he didn't know that we had taken a man from there out of that hospital, with a broken pelvis and bones every kinda way, and ain't never been in no cast. He was right in front of the audience. Is that right, Dr. Harris?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Here's a man, his esophagus, and here's a tumor on his esophagus, can't swallow. Right in his own hospital, they sent him from there to the Cleveland Clinic. Now, how do you do that? Can you ask your pastor how it's done?
Well, the doctor said, 'Well, we, we don't do it that way no more. We operate on 'em.' And they was making preparations to operate, and so Donny just put the man on the phone, put the doctor on the phone. He talked to me. He said, 'If the President of the United States were to tell me to pick the child up by the heels and turn it up and down and shake it like that,' he said, 'I would tell him to go to Hell.' That's what he said when he talked to me. That's just as good as telling me to go to Hell.
And so I said to him, 'Listen here, Doc,' I said, 'now I am not an M. D., medical doctor, I'm called a metaphysician, not a medical doctor. And all I'm interested in is in the child's recovery, saving the child's life.'
He said, 'Well, that's all I'm interested in too, but we have a better method than that now.'
I said, 'Well then, if you know what the thing is all about, now you just proceed, go right on.'
He said, 'You want your grandson back on the phone?' He put him back on the phone.
Now I told Donny, I said, 'I told the doctor to go ahead on and to do whatever he
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thought was best.' And so they went on, I been telling you what they thought was best, and the child throwed up every bit of it. Then Donny turned right around, called me up and told me that it was all over. Do you see what I mean?
Student Body: LAUGHTER
Dr. Kinley: Now, things like that have been going on for many years. Now, I oughta tell you about this. Now, for many years, Sister Harris...? She's here somewhere.
Sister Harris: Here.
Dr. Kinley: There she is. Sister Farley?
Sister Farley: Yes?
Dr. Kinley: Those are people that, that knowed me back in Ohio, and been knowing me for years. They used to have a habit. Come on Doc, what's happening, to know what's going on around the world, you know. Now somebody say, 'Well, such and so forth and so on...' about the Second World War. Dr. Gross, you was there. Didn't I tell you everything when the war was gonna break out, and everybody that was gonna be involved in it, and when it was going to be started, and then when it was gonna be over with. Didn't I tell you all that on a Thursday night?
Dr. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: So you can just start here... Did I do that?
Dr. Gross: You did.
Dr. Kinley: Dr. Allen, Sr., hold your hand up. When a White House, note come from the White House, we worked at Wright Aeronautical, said they were to shut the whole shop down. No further word. The treaties were being signed. It's peace. Said it would be announced by Truman from the White House, over the public address system in the shop, coming today. Just shut the whole thing down, and everybody sit down and wait on the news. And that man... Stand up, Dr. Allen, I want them to see you, I want 'em to look at a good big liar.
Student Body: LAUGHTER
Dr. Kinley: Now, he was out there; he had charge of the waterworks. And he come to me, he said, up in my office and he said, 'Doc, is it over today?'
I said, 'No sir. It won't be over today. They just might as well go on back to work.' Am I lying? Did it happen that day?
Dr. Fred Allen Sr: Just like you said.
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Dr. Kinley: I, didn't happen. Now you go get the history books, and look up passages. Now here's what I'm talking to you about, and here's why I brought them things up. I know Yahweh has shown me the purpose and the plan, and I don't make mistakes like that, and I'm not up here guessing. Whenever I tell you something, that's the way it is, ain't gonna be no fix. I don't care if you're an angel drop down from Heaven or, come direct out of Hell, and it's gonna be just like I said it is, because it's not me that's doing the preaching and the teaching. I don't know nothing. I'm the champion of the idiots, but our Father does, and I have to tell you the truth about it. sometimes it hurts, to have to get up there and say things to people cause I know good and well that most of them ain't going to do what you tell 'em, ain't gonna do what Yahweh says, they don't care who said it. I know, I know that's the way it is. Somebody's gonna get up and walk on over, 'I'm going on back to my church; I don't care what that man says.' Talking about that man. And I'll tell you one thing, that somebody walk down the stairs and explaining it another different way saying, 'He don't mean it like this.' Like I didn't have sense enough to say what I mean and mean what I say. Yahweh doesn't have sense enough to say what He means and means what He says.
Now, what we're talking about is this. Now, all of the carnal ordinances, right straight on, from Adam on down... Adam was given an ordinance out there not to eat of the fruit of that tree, and the Law was added because of that transgression. That's what the book says. Then listen here. Not just a few folks, but all have sinned and come short of the glory of Yahweh, all, everybody, so no flesh has no justification in boasting, ____, nobody. Now, if you want that read, I'll read it to you. That's the 5th chapter of Romans, all have sinned and come short.
Now, look folks, and listen at what I'm talking about, because I'm, I'm trying to get down now, but I'm trying to set you wise, and trying to tell you what's what's going on, what's happening. Now, we showed you that He was found of the Gentiles. It's a great mystery. Two fundamentals of the mystery, now listen at what I'm saying, the mystery of Yahweh, 2nd Thessalonians the 2nd chapter, you will find there the Mystery of Iniquity, and Paul said, in his days, even in apostolic times, it was working then. And it has been working before he said that. It had been working from right here right on down from the Garden of Eden right straight on down through the ages. It still yet works.
Now, I said that so I could say this to you. I want you to hear me. Now, the first covenant, back here, not in the desert, this was not the first covenant. This was the first covenant that was given to the Jews, or the Hebrews, that's not the first. There was a Abrahamic Covenant before then. There was a Noahic Covenant before then. There was an Edenic Covenant before these; in other words, there are 7 fundamental covenants. Now, but this first covenant, all of it's in the natural, and notice now, back there in the Garden of Eden, he was eating of the natural fruit on physical trees. He was a physical man in the flesh. And that garden was in fruition when he was placed in it. Now listen, he took everything natural, this thing is physical; he had a natural wife; so the fruit of those trees that he was eating of was symbolical and typical of the fruits of the spirit. Then, everything that was given in the Law, naturally so, just like here, naturally so, was a schoolmaster to bring us up to Yahshua the Messiah. I mean, and I don't mean now that man
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walked around in the flesh, but as a quickening spirit. Now listen, so now then there's nothing natural that you can do, nothing. Yahweh never asked any of that of the Gentiles... All of the carnal ordinances... Read it, Dr. Harris, in Hebrews 9, 10 and 17. Now listen at what it says. Now listen, listen, giving it to you straight now, straight to it now, and you can't fix it. Now, I said in Hebrews, that's where he's gonna read. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: Then verily the first covenant had also ordinance...4
Dr. Kinley: That's the 1st chapter, I mean that's the, that's the 1st verse. Is that right? Then verily the first covenant that was given to the Hebrews. All right. And what?
Dr. Harris: and ordinances of divine service
Dr. Kinley: and ordinances of a divine service
Dr. Harris: and a worldly sanctuary.
Dr. Kinley: and a worldly, or a physical, or a natural, sanctuary. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: 9th verse
Dr. Kinley: 9th verse
Dr. Harris: Which was a figure for the time then present,
Dr. Kinley: Now listen here. That's a figure for the time then present. What is it a figure of? 8:5, read. I want you to, I want you to see we do know what we're talking about. We can put you on the right track down here. Preacher say, 'Come on, give me your hand and let's start and go to Heaven. I don't know what's there; but come on, let's go on and see what the end's gonna be.' Well, he ought to know better than that.
Now, this Tabernacle was a figure of the time then present, it's a figure. A figure of what? Read!
Dr. Harris: 5th verse of 8th chapter.
Dr. Kinley: 5th verse of the 8th chapter of Hebrews.
Dr. Harris: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things,
Dr. Kinley: That's a reflection of heaven itself! Now, that's the first ____. When he saw these angels around the interior of that sanctuary, the angels in heaven... Do you understand? And you know that this is a figure of heaven and heavenly things. And you will leave, 'Come on, and go and see what the end's gonna be
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like.' All you got to do is look, for that's what it was, a figure of heaven. All right.
Dr. Harris: as Moses was admonished of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: as Moses was admonished of Yahweh
Dr. Harris: when he was about to make the Tabernacle:
Dr. Kinley: when he was about to make the Tabernacle:
Dr. Harris: for, see, saith He,
Dr. Kinley: for, see, saith Yahweh,
Dr. Harris: that thou make all things according to the pattern
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, you're gonna have to stop this foolishness around here, and go on back and make everything according to the pattern. Stop your foolishness. Because Yahweh is the pattern! Now, when you say the pattern... Let me tell you what I'm talking about. Now here's the Tabernacle: had a Court Around About, had a Most Holy Place, a Holy Place, and an Outer Court or a Court Around About. You can't take this golden candlestick and set it over on this side, or change this furniture around in this place. You can't change it around. Why not? Because it's a figure of your body. Because your body is a temple of it. Your heart belongs where it is. Your bladder and so forth, your interior, intestines and what not, belong right here. You can't do no fixing and you can't move nothing around, 'I think it looks better ever here.' No, that's what reverend is doing out here, because he don't know a thing about the pattern. Now this pattern is a figure of Yahweh, a figure of a man. Now look, now we've got blood out here on the altar of sacrifice. And next to that you come here to the laver, there's water in there for washing. And next the holy anointing oil, because the priest ate in the sanctuary and till he had anointing oil. Nobody can't do nothing in no church; there ain't no foundation without the Holy Spirit. Be anointed with the Holy Spirit, he can't do nothing like that. Now somebody's gonna have the Holy Spirit.
Now look, I'm setting these things where they belong. This is the gate. You remember Yahshua says enter in at the strait gate, for straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth unto life, and the few there be that find it.5 Is that what He said? Now you come in to this gate. Now you take come inside the people look at it, and they got this Tabernacle just set off to the side, the tent just set off to the side, and this laver was set over here. That's wrong, cause it's a strait gate. What do you mean strait? Right straight on into the Most Holy Place or into heaven itself. Straight... I am the way, the truth and the life. No one goes unto the Father but by Me, Yahweh but by Yahshua, the Messiah, no man.
Pope says, 'No, that ain't right, we need some indulgence, credit. It requires
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credit. Then when you have to die, you won't have enough indulgence or enough credit to get you into heaven, you borrow some from Mary or Peter or somebody up there.'
And Peter said, if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the sinner, and the unrighteous, appear?6 In other words, he just got by by the skin of his teeth. Ain't no man gonna go to the Father. I'm not talking about the Holy, so-called Holy Father sitting over there in Rome, either. I'm talking about Yahweh.
Now this took up a whole lot of time here, but I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get down to business with you. And I haven't brought out the point that I wanted to bring out here, Now, what I want to bring out, and what I want t o stress, do you see now these vessels are set here?
Dr. Fred Allen, Jr.: The original tape, which this tape was made from, stopped at this point. I recorded the lecture for the information that was contained in it. I do hope and trust that you did enjoy the lecture.
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
received from Fred Allen Jr.
2 90 minute audio cassette
CATTLOG #: 74.1115
Transcribed by Dr. Sandra Giragosian
proofread by Cathy Fenti, Michael Rothstein, and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I'm always happy and glad to testify to the things that Yahweh has revealed to me. They are not, they are really discerned by the Holy Spirit. That you have no confirmation, possibility of finding to be certain. Now, it's kinda bad for us to stand up and tell people about things like that because they are, they become offended by it. They don't like it. I understand all that, I know all that, but nevertheless that's my job. Nothing new about it either. They were offended at the real thing, that is Yahshua the Messiah, and they always were putting Him on the carpet about something, not realizing that that was Yahweh Himself incarnated in a physical body. They just didn't know. And, as you've just read there, have heard read in the book there of 2nd Corinthians1 Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard, the things that Yahweh has prepared for them that love Him, but He has revealed 'em unto us, the apostles, by His Spirit.
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Now here comes along a honky. He hasn't have no vision, no revelation, and no nothing. Get the point? Now, he knows all about it. Now, that's sad, but nevertheless there's nothing new about it.
Now, one of the reasons why I got up here is, was on this account, I just might as well say it. I was sitting there in the house just a day ago, and a Jehovah's Witness knocked on the door, the back door. And Mary, she went to the door ____ 'No, thank you very much for the time.' And she turned around and went on back into the house and they went round and round the house, always, and knocked on the front door. Dr. Durham was there. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Mary had met him at the back door. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And he's over there, hearing what I'm saying. Now listen, I wanna tell you just how, how that was. Now, I told them that Jehovah was not the correct name, and he said he knew, it's Yahweh. Now, he told me that what he was doing was obeying Christ, that is to say, he was going from one door to the other and carrying out the, what he was, they were supposed to do. That's not in line with the purpose, that you could go from one person's house to the other one. Now, that's, that's all out of harmony with even common sense. Never intended it to be like that.
Now look here, if we just say this just, just to show you now the, the difference. If that was what they was supposed to do, you tell me, explain to me, why Yahweh had them to build the Tabernacle and this Temple. Now, He's just really not that big a fool. Yahweh is not. Now, then, this Temple only sit on Mt. Moriah, and the Tabernacle was builded down here in the wilderness. They carried the stuff they made it out of, out of Egypt and brought it up here and put it on Mt. Zion.
And, when the proper time come, they dismantled it and moved it into the Temple, dismantled the Tabernacle and moved it into the Temple. And that was where they went to hear the words of Yahweh. And in that Temple, they had the Court of the Gentiles, and the Court of the Women, and of the Men. And there's where the High Priest, in the Temple and also in the Tabernacle, offered up sacrifices.
Now, we have an order of service here. And you know what it is. That is to say, sing a song, read the Bible. Well now, that's a, a custom. That's a form of righteousness. It was even prepared for you way back into that temple back there. Now, I brought that up, so I could show you this. Now, they get somehow, they get all stiffened up and say, 'Well, now, you folks here you go through as much of a form or course of procedure as we do out in the other churches.' But they have a form of righteousness but they, they deny the power. Now, we have the form, but we don't deny the power.
Now, let me show you what I mean. Now, 8:00 we come Wednesdays and Fridays, we meet here, we have an understanding about that; 11:00 on Sunday morning, 11 'til 1; and from 8 to 10, on Wednesdays and Fridays. Everybody understands that.
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Now, look, this High Priest had to offer up sacrifices on that altar here in the Tabernacle, and also in the Temple, when the Temple was builded. Now listen to what I'm gonna say. It was a daily sacrifice, every day. Now you, when you come here, why then, we got to offer some kind of a sacrifice. We're exposed to all kinds of persecution for telling you those things. Not only that, now listen, it goes again at 9:00 o'clock in the morning, that high priest was due to be in there in that Temple, or in that Tabernacle, at 9:00 o'clock in the morning, every day, on this and all days, and that was called the Hour of Prayer.
Now, some of 'em think, 'Well, now, you go through the form of having somebody to pray, and so forth and so on,' up here. I just wanna let you know that the routine that's set up, it's old. And while these people, them people, they didn't have the Holy Spirit back there. So, when the High Priest burned incense here, the incense took the place of the Holy Spirit. And that was called the Hour of Prayer. So, then, the incense and them praying on the outside of this Tabernacle, every day now, that was the Hour of Prayer. It was time for prayer, time for intercession to be made, time to burn that incense. Now, we know what we're doing down here.
Now, somebody said this, 'Well, now, look. Every time we come down there, you go through the same old routine. Why don't you get on something new? All them repetitions and all.' Now, say listen, don't the sun rise in the east and set in the west every day? Are you tired of that routine? Don't your... the circulatory system work the same way through your body, everyday? Don't you eat some food every day, that is, if you have something to eat.
Now, what I am talking about is repetition! That's the way you learn some sense. That's the very thing that the other fellow can't do out there. He can't repeat the same thing over and over through the dispensations and ages, line upon line, and precept upon precept. And that's the way, why everything functions as it does, in order, if, if you don't learn it one time, in one place, possibilities are you'll learn it somewhere else.
For example, now at this Passover supper, at this Passover supper here, that was at night when they ate that supper. They had their shoes buckled on, staffs in their hands, and ready to depart. That's the way they went to come up from there Yahweh told them. Now, to what was on the menu... just here, I'm just going to try and show you how the Devil's fooled you. Wasn't no wine on that menu. Now, I didn't say they didn't have wine at some of the feasts. They did, ____. But there wasn't no wine. They didn't have no wine and no grape juice, and nothing like that, no Welch's Grape Juice back there at that Feast of the Passover. Look at the 12th chapter of Exodus and find out what the menu was. Now, look here folks, if you're not gonna go by the Bible, you just might as well quit, and quit now. All right.
Dr. Harris: Your lamb...
Dr. Kinley: But where you reading at?
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Dr. Harris: Fifth verse and then jump down to the 8th verse. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year:
Dr. Kinley: Now, your lamb shall be without blemish, and a male for the first year. Read.
Dr. Harris: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Dr. Kinley: Now, you shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats. All right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: 8th verse
Dr. Kinley: 8th verse
Dr. Harris: And they shall eat the flesh in the night, roast with fire,
Dr. Kinley: And they shall eat the flesh in the daytime,
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: at the morning service,
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: at the mass!
Student Body: No, no.
Dr. Kinley: All right.
Dr. Harris: roast with fire,
Dr. Kinley: roast... now, now roasted with fire, not sodden with water. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: and unleavened bread;
Dr. Kinley: unleavened bread... Now, that's lamb and unleavened bread.
Dr. Harris: and with bitter herbs they shall eat
Dr. Kinley: and with bitter herbs... Is that right?
Dr. Harris: That's right. They shall eat it.
Dr. Kinley: And they shall eat it. Now, is there anything else on that menu?
Dr. Harris: That's all. Lamb, bitter herbs, unleavened bread.
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Dr. Kinley: That's it?
Dr. Harris: That's all, lamb, bitter herbs...
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's what the scriptures say. Now, don't go running out here and tell somebody I said that. Now, look in the 26th chapter of Matthew, and the 26th verse.
Dr. Harris: And as they were eating,
Dr Kinley: Now, as, and as they were eating,
Dr. Harris: Yahshua...
Dr. Kinley: Now, wait a minute! Now, notice it didn't say what they was eating there. All right, as they were eating...
Dr. Harris: Yahshua took bread,
Dr. Kinley: Now, He took bread. Now, it mentioned the bread there. All right, and
what else?
Dr. Harris: and blessed it,
Dr. Kinley: and blessed it,
Dr. Harris: and broke it,
Dr. Kinley: and broke it,
Dr. Harris: and gave it to the disciples, and said,
Dr. Kinley: and gave it to the disciples, and said,
Dr. Harris: Take, eat; this is my body.
Dr. Kinley: Take, eat; listen, not that is my body. He didn't say that. See how it wasn't, how we get all messed up. He said... Repeat that again, Doc.
Dr. Harris: Take, eat; this is my body.
Dr. Kinley: This is my body, not that is my body!! Now, it don't say what they were eating. Now as they were eating... Eating what? Now, if you knew what was on the menu, you wouldn't have all that problem. As they were eating lamb, He took bread! Now, so we had lamb and bread on that menu. And then, He gave them the cup, also. And what was in that? Unleavened, uh... bitter herbs. Now, that's what some... And, what did He say about that, read that, Doc.
Dr. Harris: and he took the cup,
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Dr. Kinley: And he took the cup,
Dr. Harris: and gave thanks,
Dr. Kinley: and gave thanks,
Dr. Harris: and gave it to them,
Dr. Kinley: and gave it to them,
Dr. Harris: saying,
Dr. Kinley: saying,
Dr. Harris: Drink ye all of it;
Dr. Kinley: Drink ye all of it;
Dr. Harris: For this is my blood of the new testament,
Dr Kinley: For this is my blood, not that is my blood! He didn't say that. Now, here comes the Devil. The Devil, in Protestantism, he claims that that is just a type and a shadow, of... or consubstantiation. Consubstantiation, that's Protestant, means a type and a shadow. Then, the Roman Catholics they say, 'no, no types and no shadows.' They say that it is transubstantiation. That means that it is actual body and blood of Yahshua the Messiah. Now, it wasn't that to begin with. But now, this is what makes it that. When the priest prays over it, it changes it from grape juice to the blood of Yahshua the Messiah or Jesus Christ. And then, when he prays over the bread, then that makes it the actual body. That's the body and the blood, the actual body and blood. Now, what he's done is sit up there and call himself creating Christ by some words.
Now, Doc, just, just one, two more thoughts on that same thing. In the 12th chapter of Exodus, I wanna know where they ate it at.
Dr. Harris: Their own houses.
Dr. Kinley: I want it read out of the book. Then, while he's doing this and that, somebody get the 11th chapter of 1st Corinthians, the 20th verse.
Dr. Harris: Seventh verse. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's, that's in their own house. Now, that's where they ate it. Now listen at what I'm saying. Never, at no time in the history of that Passover, did they eat it up in the congregation of the assembly. They never did that. Now, I had him to read where they ate it at there, in their house. That is necessary.
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All right. And they took the... Now, here's another one, right in the same thing, Now, they took the blood of that lamb, and what did they do with it, Dr. Gross, uh... Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: They struck it on the lintel and the two side posts,
Dr. Kinley: They struck it on the lintel, and on and on the side posts,
Dr. Harris: of their door.
Dr. Kinley: of their door. And up on the lintel of the door, they struck it. Now here's Jehovah's Witnesses. They said He was crucified on a stave. Now, when... as Dr. Durham will tell you, no sooner than I told that man the truth about it, and he already said it to me. He said, 'Well, I didn't come up here to argue with you.' He said there, 'I come up here to tell you something about the truth of Yahweh or God or Jehovah.' He said that. I asked him what they say about, I said 'well, if you come here to tell me something about the truth. Then don't talk to me about Jehovah, tell me about Yahweh, if you know Yahweh's the real name.' He said, Yahweh or 'Jehovah was the English translation of Yahweh!'
Now look, folks, there isn't anybody sitting in this building right now, that can't go out of here, that's right out of here, and go and get a book, and any book that you pick up a dictionary, or an encyclopedia, or anything, Bible dictionary, will tell you that that's not so. Now, for somebody to be walking around, going to people's houses, knocking on doors, telling them that they come to tell you the truth, and then commence to telling you about Jehovah and Jesus. And then, when I didn't wanna listen to what he was saying, and tried to tell him something about it, I told him, 'yeah I'll read ____ ____.' 'No, our literature...' way back there in 1961, they didn't, he went to talking about the tetragrammaton. They got the tetragrammaton from us. They didn't know nothing about it, wasn't in none of their books before then. It's in our first volume, that's where they got it from. They never said a thing about it before then! Now, he's sitting up there trying to tell me about the tetragrammaton, about Jehovah and the tetragrammaton. And then he went on to say this, that the tetragrammaton is Greek, and that was a Greek translation. And he further stated that you had to put the YHWH, the YHVH and so forth and so on, in the tetragrammaton, so he said. He says, now, where you get into problems there, you don't have a, e, i, o, u. That is correct; those are the vowels. He said, 'you don't know where to put the vowels at, in the YHWH.' Now, that was a Jehovah's Witness. Is that what he said, Dr. Durham? Well, he may not have known, but we do.
Folks, let me tell you something. We've labored hard to tell you the truth. And we have went to no lengths to tell you the truth about everything we talk about up here. Now, the vowels... J, well, let's put it this way, folks. There's no J in the Hebrew language at all. There never was. There isn't any in there yet. And every time, we don't have no meetings down here, without, we don't tell you about it. There's no, there wasn't any J in any language, English, nor nothing else, Greek nor none of it, nothing else. Hebrew: no J. No J in the English.
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Now, they want to superimpose all that junk on you. And, if you don't wanna listen to it, well, he's got it, they got an appointment down the street. Whatever you do, if you wanna keep Jehovah's Witnesses setting in front of you, you set there and keep your mouth shut, and be gullible enough to swallow down anything, don't contest him, cause if you do, he's got an appointment! (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now, I told you all, when we wrote that first edition of the book, and put it out there, they would, they would, different ones would start to coming out with the name Yahweh, Yahveh. Didn't I tell you that?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Billy Graham. They, they've shown what the true names are. And they had nerve enough to say in their books, that Yahweh was the correct name. Then they turn around and use Jehovah. That man, didn't he, didn't he tell me... He said, 'Jehovah, ah... Yahweh was the correct Hebrew translation.' Is that what he said? He said that Jehovah was the English translation. Now, that's not so!! How could it be, if there wasn't no J in any language? How could that be the English translation of it? And if there wasn't any J in any language, it can't be... that can't be Jehovah, and it surely can't be Jesus. Now, he want to sit on down there and tell me about Jesus. And I told him, that, that wasn't His name. I said His name was Yahshua. He said he knew it.
Well, what the Hell you set up, standing around trying to tell me about this, that, and the other for, and then tell me you come up here to talk to me about the truth! (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Some of them think I'm rude, and mean, and hateful. Just like I used the term here the other night about the old bastard. Then some of them got offended there 'bout it. Didn't even know what it, a bastard was. Now, I didn't say that. And they didn't know what a bastard was. And they went on to talk about their capabilities, because they was a 33rd degree Mason. For your information, I have talked to 33rd degree Masons. And these charts have been hung right up in the Masonic halls. Am I lying, Dr. Allen? Stand up. He ain't here? Well, that He knows. He's been right up there, right with me, and I talked in the Masonic Hall, in Lockland, Ohio. Is that right, Dr. Allen? And your father is a Mason, is that right?
And, for your information, I've been in a Masonic order, too. Course, I only went to the 3rd degree. I've been an Oddfellow too. Still one. I don't mean one of those things they carry around. (STUDENT BODY AND DR. KINLEY LAUGH) They wanna call me an oddball. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) But, now, let's go on with this. But, now, what we try to do is to show... Now, you, you read it there that they ate that in their own houses. Is that right?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: All right. Now, if they ate it in... That's in Exodus, the 12th chapter of Exodus. Is that right?
Dr. Harris: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: Alright. now, get in 1st Corinth, get the, 1st Corinthians, 11 and 20.
Dr. Harris: When ye come together therefore into one place,
Dr. Kinley: Now look here. Here's an ordinance. You must not do this. The Gentiles they never did do it, not in the history of the world. Now, what that really does, that catches all the churches! And the Jews are not supposed to be doing it that way now! Now, there's no need for nobody arguing with me. I've been caught up to Heaven itself, and shown these things. Hasn't been nobody able to whip me. You can't do that. You getting offended at my words, because I used the, the word bastard. And then somebody calls the 33rd... say, listen, do you know that Dr. Gill G. Robinson in Springfield, Ohio, actually belongs to this school. We have his picture attend, attending the '67 Convention, and he's a 33rd degree Mason. And he helped me with the Constitution. Dr. Farley, your uncle, I know at least he was a 32nd degree Mason, might have been 33 for all I know.
Dr. Farley: 33.
Dr. Kinley: Was he 33?
Dr. Farley: Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: 33rd degree Mason. We have more than, look here, you wanna know something, it was the Masons that kinda helped me along with the work. So, you don't need to think 'cause you're a Mason you got anywhere. I taught the Masons. I taught them all about Solomon's Temple and about other things, and they say they're gonna find out from now on, around the corner. That's right. They don't know, they don't know, they don't know what they oughta know about it. That's right. I don't give away no secrets. Don't worry. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I promised not to do that. Oblig.., oath of obligation, so I promised not to do that, so I ain't gonna give away no secrets at all, other than what I've already told you. And I taught 'em and we got some of them right in this, in this class in school. So don't, don't, don't come up with that kinda stuff, cause it won't work. This is the only place where you can go to learn things like this. I am the man that Yahweh caught up to the third heaven and showed things impossible for a man to utter. And almost every day, somebody around the country calls me and thanks me. Somebody from Ohio called just before I came to school to thank me about their body being healed and so forth and so on.
Doctor back there right now red hot with me. I told you all about this doctor was, was gonna operate on Jerry Kinley's baby. And finally called me and asked me about it, and held the doctor up, and had the doctor talk with me on the phone. And so, I told the doctor, 'Yes, I asked him to tell you about taking the baby up by the heels and shaking it that way.' They had a...
Dr. Harris: French fry.
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Dr. Kinley: French fry lodged in his throat there. So he said, 'That's olden times, Doctor. We don't do it that way no more. We have a better way of doing it.' Now, by them calling me doctor, he thought that I was a medical doctor. So I explained to him, I said, 'I'm not a medical doctor.' I said, 'I'm called metaphysician.' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) 'I'm a doctor of metaphysics, not a doctor of medicine.' So then, he said, 'We don't do it that way.' I said, 'Listen, any kind of way you want to do it, just go right on and do it.' I said, 'All I'm interested in is saving the baby.' He said, 'Well, that's all we're interested in, too.' So, he said, 'Then I'll proceed as we do.' Said, 'Do you want me to give you your grandson back?' He'll wanna hear it from my mouth. Said, 'I told you go on ahead and operate, whatever course of procedure you know, just go right ahead.' He said, 'All right. Here's your grandson.' I said, 'Listen now, 'I told him that you can tell Jerry that I said for him to go ahead on and do anything at all ____ ____ ____ ____. Then, when he got back the baby done throwed up the whole thing. Then a few days from that, here come a letter said they had been charged $650 for operating. Then, he called me on the telephone and those that was in his house that same night told me the baby done throwed it all up. The night before last he called me and told me that they had gotten a bill ____ ____ ___ they wrote me a letter about it. And the nurse and the orderly said that they didn't perform any operation on the baby, and yet and still he got a bill for $650 for it.
Now folks, this whole thing, this religious structure is a mess. Now, you thought, now it's all right for us to talk about these lying preachers. And some people get offended with you because you called their pastor a liar. He is a liar. And then they don't want you to say anything about the doctors, quack doctors, medical doctors. No, I'm not talking about Dr. Harris. ____ or anybody else, I didn't say Dr. Harris is a quack, either. Listen, because Dr. Harris did all he knew to do for his uncle. Just like they was, they was going to do with the baby back there. And his uncle was in far worse shape than the baby was. Of course, both of them could have died. And Yahweh brought his uncle out. Am I lying, Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Folks, this is what I got up here for. I got up here to tell you that down here in this school we're not down here, just to get somebody, just to be going through routines or operations or anything like that. We're not down here for that purpose. And, if you've come down here for that, I'm sorry. And listen here, if there's any of you sitting out there at any time know anything more about it than what we do down here... Now I'm telling you. And I, I have the authority of the other officials of the school. You have, you have the floor. If you know more about it than we do, you can have the pulpit. And all we're gonna ask you to do is just, just to remain. After you speak your piece, give, give us a break. Now, we've permitted you to ask questions. Now, if you don't have any, that's your fault, not, not ours. And if we're gonna tell you anything at all, it ought to be the truth. All right. Now, we were talking about where you ate that at. It was in the house. Is that right?
Dr. Harris: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: All right. Proceed.
Dr Harris: When ye come together therefore into one place,2
Dr. Kinley: Now, when you come together therefore into one place... Now, it doesn't make any difference whether you be jews or Gentiles. The gent.., the Jews never did, at no time... They ate that lamb and unleavened bread, and bitter herbs in their own homes. Is that almost right, David?
Dr. David Rosen: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: They never did do it in the congregation of the assembly. And they don't even do it today. The orthodox Judaism. Do they?
Dr. Rosen: No, they do it in their houses.
Dr. Kinley: They do it in their own homes. Now, some idiot will wanna come out here and jump all over us. And they'll say, 'Well look, Paul's setting in order.' That's what they say, because they were doing it up there in Greece. Now it hadn't ever been given to no Gentiles at all. If you read Exo.., Exodus down there. Then some idiot has this nerve, nerve to say this, 'Well, listen, that was not under the Law, and neither was water baptisms. The Law wasn't given until they got to Mount Sinai. So, eating this was not under the Law. And water baptism was not under the Law.' But, I'll have you to know, if you read there doc... Maybe you'd better go back and read that, back there in Exodus, before you go ahead. I wanna show you something. It says there that 'this do,' listen now, 'throughout your generations. This is an ordinance forever.' Is that what it says?
Student Body: Yes. Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: Read it, Doc. What verse it is.
Dr. Harris: Exodus 12:14.
Dr. Kinley: Exodus 12:14.
Dr. Harris: And this day shall be unto you for a memorial;
Dr. Kinley: This day shall be unto you for a memorial;
Dr. Harris: and ye shall keep it a feast to Yahweh throughout your generations;
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
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Dr. Kinley: That's a fact. Forever. That means a continuation. Now, let me show you what I'm talking about. When Yahshua the Messiah was nailed to the cross, right here, now He was the 63rd generation. That was the end of the generations. Somebody said, 'Now, you blundering idiot, you don't know what you're talking about.' But look. Go over here. You explain to me about these 63 cranial nerves. That's all you got. You got 'em right here in your own body.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that almost right, Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: Spinal nerves.
Dr. Kinley: Spinal nerves, run down your spinal column: sixty-three, 60... And you, and you take the third chapter of Luke and just count one generation after the other, and see if you don't get 63.
Now, you still keep the ordinances, the Jews. Now listen, the Gentiles do too. He was grafted in among them, the Jews. The 2nd chapter of Romans, and the last two verses, say he that is a Jew outwardly is not one inwardly, and neither is that outwardly in the flesh. Do you understand about that? He said, but he is a Jew that is one inwardly or spiritually. We're all Jews.
Now, the word Jew is incorrect, too. Now, they, now I'll show you that, since I'm talking about it. Now, we just got through saying there wasn't no J in the Hebrew language, so it can't be Jew. Ain't no such name as Joseph. Ain't no such name as Jesus. There ain't no such name as Jerusalem. There ain't no such thing as Jordan River. See how you can just go along and just blunder and stumble over something and fall headlong and ain't got sense enough to know it. Jew is Yehudah.
Dr. Rosen: That's right!
Dr. Kinley: Is that right, David?
Dr. Rosen: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: And listen here folks, he speaks the hebrew language, too. And you, you don't know hebrew, you don't know a thing about what you're talking about. Born in Israel! Tel Aviv. Is that almost right? Dr. Gross here's a German Jew, or the German Jesus. Let me go ahead on. But what I'm after folks is telling you, letting you know this, down here, we know the truth. This is not something I made up. If I did, I wouldn't have proof for the things that I say. I just wouldn't have proof. All right. Now, read.
Dr. Harris: When ye come together therefore into one place,
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Dr. Kinley: Now, when you come together therefore into one place... Now, you see here. Freddy, you have a, the meeting that you hold on Tuesday nights. Is that right?
Dr. Allen Jr.: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Dr. Dennis has one he holds on ____ night. And some others here have different ones that they hold. But now that, but now here, you're in one place. Now you're, read it, Doc.
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Dr. Harris: When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
Dr. Kinley: And I don't care how you want it. And it doesn't make any difference whether you're a Jew or a Gentile. This is not to eat that.
Now, let me get you the word supper. Night. And here you are Sunday morning. You don't know the difference between breakfast, dinner, and supper. And that was supposed to be, the lamb was supposed to be drawn out of the flock on the 10th and kept up to the 14th of Abib or at night, got to be in the evening, and then he was supposed to be slain. And his blood to be put over the lintels of the door. Now listen, I said lintels of the door! Now, if this is... and on these side posts of the door, don't you think you would see that that was a form of a cross. Can't you see that? Now, look, Adam back here was hung on a tree. That's where you got, that's where the hang up was, was on the tree. Now, you know as well as I do, a tree has got some branches and some limbs on it. Now, you do know that, don't you? Now here somebody comes around saying, 'Well, the Romans hadn't yet invented the cross when Jesus was crucified.' Like Yahweh is setting around waiting on them to invent it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now, that's stupid!! You follow now? Yahshua the Messiah, talking about the grape juice, said, 'I'm the true vine.' Does that look like a grapevine? Fifteenth chapter of John, said, 'I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.' All they know anything about is, are grapevines. Now, you've got too many things now by the grapevine. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Be the grapevine or by the vine. All right, the 11th chapter says when you come together into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. Now, why not?
Dr. Harris: For in eating every one taketh before other
Dr. Kinley: For in eating every one taketh before other
Dr. Harris: his own supper:
Dr. Kinley: his own supper.
Dr. Harris: and one is hungry,
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Dr. Kinley: and one is hungry,
Dr. Harris: and another is drunken.
Dr. Kinley: and another is drunken. Now, wait just a minute. Now, in Springfield they tried this. We raised so much sand there about it, that's where the school was first started, in the 2nd Baptist Church. Said, 'yes, he's right about that.' But now, the way we gonna do it like this, to keep one from being hungry, and the other from being drunk. Now, here you serve it, you pass it around to everybody. 'Now, you hold it!' And again they'll come around with some bread, 'now you hold it. Now you hold it' (get the point) 'until the countdown. Now, all of you got it? Every... all got it. All right, when I say three... One, two, three, go!' (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now, they did that in Springfield, Ohio, trying to straighten this thing up.
But now, I'll show you what the difference would be there. If they ate it in their own homes, that family there. Then there's another family out here who be eating it, they ate it at night. So, maybe these are out there, and the other house out there, they wouldn't be eating it all at the same time. But they would, those that were in that family, they would sit down and eat the supper together. And all the Jews, I'm talking about all the Jews all around over Palestine, they would eat it, in their own homes. Now, that's where it come from. Now, they don't do it that way no more.
Now, Paul, he's straightening it up. Now, why is he straightening it up? What's his reason for writing this thing here to 'em?
And it was urgently necessary... They don't realize that Paul wrote this epistle to them because of, necessary for them to stop that mess! That's why he wrote these things! And he said to 'em, now you get this thing straightened out right away quick! And the rest will I set in order when I get up there! But you get that, you get this stopped! Now here's how it is, here's how they it got started: them old carnal-minded orthodox Jews, in the synagogue now. They was teaching the people to continue to eat the Feast of the Passover as they did it in the past under the Law, the Dispensation of the Law. They were teaching 'em to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses. And not only just in Corinth. They did it also in Galatia. And they did it all around, everywhere. But he's writing this epistle to 'em because this is the thing that's urgently needed to be corrected. Alright. Now, when you come together into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. Now don't forget now, we told you this was an ordinance forever throughout all your generations. And the generations ended at the 63rd, and then this after that, that was it. Alright, now then, if you read it the other way around it. Now we're gonna tell you about that too. All right. Finish reading where you're talking about there.
Dr. Harris: What? have ye no houses
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Dr. Kinley: Now, you know that you can eat. Now wait, just a minute. Now, here's the reason why I brought that up, Roger. Now, anybody that's a Bible scholar could see. He don't need no brains. Don't you see down there where the ordinance was set up, or established at, they ate it in their own houses. Now, here's Paul chastising the Corinthians, Jews, telling them when you come together into, into the synagogue, this is not say to partake of the Lord's supper as they call it. Not them... they called it Yahshua's supper. This is not to do that. Cause they never did do that back there. Now, he said, don't you have a house to eat in like they did down in Egypt? Now, can't you see the folly and the foolishness of them out here in the Baptist, and the Church of Christ, and the Church of This, That, and the Other. Don't you see the foolishness over there in the Roman Catholic. Can't you see the foolishness of it? And they're not going by the scriptures. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: or despise ye
Dr. Kinley: or do you despise
Dr. Harris: the assembly of Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: Do you despise the things to the assembly of Yahweh, this is assembly of Yahweh here now in one place... All right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: and shame them that have not?
Dr. Kinley: and shame them that don't have no house to eat in or to drink in, ____ ____ All right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: What shall I say to you?
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen. Paul is saying, what shall I say to you. All right. Read
Dr. Harris: Shall I praise you in this?
Dr. Kinley: Shall I... Now, look, folks. The apostle said that he didn't praise them in that. Well, what do you expect me to do? You expect me to get up and praise you for some of your ignorance. No, we ain't going along with it. We're gonna tell you it's wrong, it's the devil got you out there doing it. It's just wrong. That's all there is to it. And I'm not gonna praise you in it. I'm not gonna endorse it. Now, what they say about this, they say Paul was straightening them out. Yes, he was straightening them out, right away too. Don't you have houses to eat in? All right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Shall I praise you in this?
Dr. Kinley: Shall I praise you in this?
Dr. Harris: I praise you not.
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Dr. Kinley: I praise you not.
Dr. Harris: For I have received of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: For... Now, listen, just a minute, folks. Just hold tight. He says, I have received of Yahweh, that's what he said he got his from, and incidentally that's what I got mine from! Received of Yahweh what?
Dr. Harris: that which also I delivered unto you.
Dr. Kinley: that which also I delivered unto you! I got mine the same place Paul got his, right straight from Yahweh! Now, we just can't praise you in it. Now, somebody wants to go and say, 'Well, I'm a Baptist; and I'm a Methodist; I'm a Roman Catholic; I'm a...'whatever he, whatever he is. It don't make no difference. Yahweh don't approve of it! That's the way it is. And look folks, you, you never had it in the first place. Go back Dr. Gross, uh Dr. Harris go over there in Exodus and find out who He gave it to.
Dr. Harris: gave it to the Israelites.
Dr. Kinley: Now, I, now the reason why I'm trying to tell you is, is because some of you setting up here right now, are just as deceived as you can be about it and don't realize that we're reading it out of the Bible. All right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Exodus 12:3. Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel,
Dr. Kinley: Now, just a minute. Now, you, you heard that! That's the congregation of Israel.
Dr. Kinley: They're all these things are right in the Bible. You'll find that carnal ordinances were given to the Hebrews only! Wasn't given to no Gentile at all. If that be the case then the Roman Catholics and all of Protestantism and all of orthodox Judaism is definitely wrong! Well, then, you can run until your head falls off, but you're wrong.
And here, and here's another reason why I got up here tonight, too. I want, wanna tell you about it. These things that we tell you, and you gonna go ahead on and do your way about it, you're going to lose your soul! I wanna make that clear to you. You either obey or you will lose your soul. Now, this is not my doctrine, in this sense. Now that, now that, now that, that looks bad, don't it. Now look. I've, I been trying to get on down; I, I asked for a few more minutes. But I think this is necessary. This is all important. Now, the first age: 1656. The next one: 23 now they claim 81, now that's counting 4004, take the four off and you've got 77. There ain't no such thing as uneven numbers, 77, ain't no such thing as a, as a... Well, there ain't no such thing as before Yahshua either. Everything you've ever learned out there is a lie!! 2377. Now, where are you here?
Student Body: 1941
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Dr. Kinley: 1941 (WRITING ON BOARD, 12, 14, 17 WHILE ADDING UNDER HIS BREATH.) Now, is what is called B. C., row this, this comes down to the Flood. And this is the Flood down to the crucifixion. And this is A. D., Anno domini, which means year of our Lord. That's down to where you are now. So now, this is 5 9 7 4.3 Now, if we take 6 days, and then you take 5 9 7 4, then what have we got?
Student Body: 26.4
Dr. Kinley: 26. Now, if you look in the 26th chapter, uh, 24th chapter of Matthew, Yahshua said... Now, now, pay attention to what I'm saying now. Said unless this age here, where we are now, be shortened, there wouldn't be no flesh saved. Read it, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: 22nd verse
Dr Kinley: 22nd verse.
Dr. Harris: And except those days should be shortened,
Dr. Kinley: And except those days... Now, He's talking about the days of the great tribulation.
Dr. Harris: there should no flesh be saved;
Dr. Kinley: there should be no flesh saved;
Dr. Harris: but for the elect's sake
Dr. Kinley: but for the elect's sake
Dr. Harris: those days shall be shortened.
Dr. Kinley: those days shall be shortened. Now look folks, let's look the thing square in the face right down here. Get the 1st, uh 4th chapter of 1st Timothy and read that.
Dr. Harris: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,
Dr. Kinley: Now, wait just a minute. He didn't say He's, He didn't say I'm speaking, or Peter is speaking, or anybody is speaking. He said the Spirit speaks. The Spirit speaketh expressly... Read.
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2377 Flood to Pentecost
1941 Pentecost to current year of this class.
5974
4 6000 years
-5974 years from Adam to current year
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Dr. Harris: that in the latter times
Dr. Kinley: that in the latter times
Dr. Harris: some shall depart from the faith,
Dr. Kinley: some shall depart from the faith... How's that happening?
Dr. Harris: giving heed to seducing spirits,
Dr. Kinley: giving heed to seducing spirits,
Dr. Harris: and doctrines of devils.
Dr. Kinley: and doctrines of demons. Now, here you got the Roman Catholic Church out there and them demons there ____ ____ the Church of Christ on Peter, got the Baptist church, the Methodist church, the Presbyterian church, and all the churches, ____ ____ ____ carnal minded, these things just never pertaining to them at all in the history of the world. And we just got through telling you about no, no Lord's supper, never was given to the G.., and never was done, not even among the Jews and that's who He give it to. It wasn't done like they do in the churches today. What else could that be but a seducing spirit.
And can't you see that you are within 26 years of... Now, the next one thousand years would be the Sabbath, the next day would be, the next thousand years would be. This one day one was with Yahweh a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day. Now, He worked six days or six thousand years to create the heavens and the earth. And then He rested. Now, don't you see you are not gonna work overtime.
Then, if that be the case... Now, pay attention to what I am saying! Can't you see that almost everything you can think of is, is wrong out here! You may not be able to find the culprit, but it's obvious. And then, listen here! This cannot go on 26 more years. It has to be shortened, has to be cut down! And if it wasn't, with the situation is at it is, there wouldn't be anybody saved, wouldn't be any flesh saved. Now, what I've tried my best to do is to point out to you how critical the thing is, to wake you up. Them demoniac spirits cast out of heaven incarnated in physical bodies starting all these churches around here and lying to you like dogs. And they are bastards. Well, what is a bastard? It is a illegitimate child. Is that what, is that what the dictionary calls it? Or one born out of wedlock. Is that right? All of us are born. Just as Yahshua said to Nicodemus, that which is born of the flesh is of the flesh.5 That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. He said, Marvel not that I said unto you that you must be born again. And incidentally, while we're on that, there isn't anybody hasn't been born without a father but what they're talking about is born out of wedlock, like some woman has a child by a man that she is not married to. That's called a illegitimate child or a bastard. Now, when you get over here in one of the churches, you're a bastard, cause you was born out of
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wedlock, and practicing things you have got no business practicing. Come out of her, that's what that is. And somebody says, 'well look you called the pope an old bastard here the other day, now, here you're calling me a bastard.' (DR. KINLEY BREAKS INTO LOUD LAUGHTER, ALONG WITH STUDENT BODY.) That's what it amounts to! If you haven't been born of Yahweh or Yahshua, then you're a bastard!! Illegitimate birth. ____ ____ ____ Now, somebody said, 'Well, that's what you said.' No, I didn't. Read it.
Reader: For whom Yahweh loveth He chasteneth.
Dr. Kinley: Where you reading there?
Reader: Hebrews 12:6.
Dr. Kinley: Alright, read. Now, he's talking to the Hebrews or to the Jews there. All right, read.
Reader: For whom Yahweh loves He chasteneth,
Dr. Kinley: Now, whom Yahweh loves He chastens. Now look here, folks, if Yahweh sent me, my job and my duty, indispensable duty is to chastise you. And you read over there in the 2nd chapter of 1st Corinthians, you, you don't judge me. Start reading that, Dr. Harris. That's the reason why I say I don't want no back talk! Ain't no need for you to try go run and get Jehovah's Witness, or a priest, or somebody, or some preacher somewhere and try to counsel me. You can't do that. They been trying that for 43 years.Ain't that right, Doc? You ever see one whip me?
Dr. Carl F. Gross: No.
Dr. Kinley: They've all tried. What I say is so, and I got mine from heaven. I didn't go to no seminary. I didn't even go, I didn't even go to elementary school all the way through. I only went to the 6th grade of elementary school. And listen, I can stand up here and talk academically so that, if you don't really have an, a college education, you won't even know what I'm talking about.
Dr. Gross and them, they said back there, they wanted a school second to none. And they said, 'well, you use any words and we don't know what they mean, why then, we'll go and look 'em up. We want you to write a composition.' And I wrote a composition, about 26 pages. Then I got up and read it. Said, 'Doc, we don't know what you're talking about.' I had to take it back and break it down. I took it on back, and I worked on it some, and brought it back and read it. 'We didn't know what you're was talking about. You take it out, and break it down again.' I said, No, I have to go out to work for a living, and I have to go on the road for the insurance company, so I don't have time. So, he took it over to Wittenburg University, that's a Lutheran college, and gave it to the dean over there and he promised to break it down. Is that right, Doc? And he got... He didn't get out of, hardly out of the first paragraph before he bring it back. He said, 'Say, them long words you got in there, it take a whole dictionary ____ ____ ____ and down to the
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other, and them words you got there, such as cosmogony, that's the beginning or cosmology.' And went down over here at the end, you said eschatology, what are you talking about? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) He didn't know nothing about that. And all kinds of things, and long words. Anthropomorphism. 'What do you mean?' That means that He's in shape and form and it appeared to be as a man, in the form of a man, but not a physical man. So then, we, we tried to say that nice, too. Said it was a great heavenly, anthropomorphic being. Oh I tell you, everything we went after, they didn't know nothing about it. What do they know about the cell and atoms, and molecules, and all them different kinda things? And a lotta them, right now, we've got a book. We put the book out. I know a lot of you, for the most part, very few of you that ever read the book, even though you did buy it and pay for it. And I can't do no boasting about it, I never read it but I know what's in it. I wrote it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Then, there's about 175 mistakes and errors in it, typographical and what not, and even one in time there about 45 years off. The printers made a mess out of it. They sabotaged it, that's what they did. You'd, you would appreciate... And let me tell you this. You would appreciate coming down here, if you just only knew the real story about it. Now, just like we told you we sent our book to Billy Graham. He's a great world-wide evangelist. We sent our book to him. ____ You think Billy Graham's gonna use Yahweh, Elohim, and Yahshua? Did you... They know better. And you know what they call, you know what they use for this? Adonai. It would sound better if they just said, 'well, I deny.' You know what they use for this? Yeshu. Yes you. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now, I tell you folks, this world is in a terrible condition and in a terrible state. Nixon ain't the only one that's wrong with it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And this government you got there it's wrong ____ ____.
Now, isn't this really nice to have a place where you can go, and somebody can stand up and tell you the truth, and show you that you are right down to the end where you are subject to be lost at any time. Now, we even went so far as to tell you that the Roman Catholics, they believe that 1975 that Jesus will come streaming down through the sky. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that. The Church of God believes that. There are multiplied millions, over a billion people that believe that 1975 will be the end.
And with all that's going on around the world as of now, starvation, water pollution, air pollution, erroneous doctrine, and all those kinda things. And people, you can show them the truth, they won't change a thing. And you don't have, you don't have another one that's able to tell, put it line upon line, precept upon precept. Now, I've asked you to do this, you smart folks, I've asked you to find any place in that Bible where the Lord, God, Jesus Christ, Yahweh, Elohim, and Yahshua, Allah, Jehovah, Baal, Adonai, or some other deity ever said anything in the world about the Gentiles getting baptized. I don't care where you read in the Bible. Read it to me. Right now.
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Man stood right in this pulpit, right here. Said that water baptism was to wash away your filthy sins. If that be the case, then Yahshua the Messiah died in vain. Now look folks, Hank, you can see this, you don't need no sense. You can be an idiot and see this. If John baptizes before he dies, and baptizing in the River Jordan, too. Now mind you now, he didn't baptize nobody but the Jews. And, if water baptism washed away their sins, as that man stood there in the pulpit and said, then don't you see, you're making Him to be mighty stupid to go out there and die out there for somebody's sin.' Then some, another idiot comes along and say this, 'I don't want to be baptized in no pool behind, in the church. I want to be baptized in running water.' That's to wash away his sin. Well then look here, this is the River Jordan. And it flows down from the Sea of Galilee. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: ...on down into the Dead Sea. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: ...or the Salt Sea. And he, he was baptized in running water. And the Jews there, they were baptized in running water, and it didn't wash away their sins. Now, if you look at the book, there at the 1st chapter of Revelations, and also John says it there in the 1st epistle of John said, if we walk in the light, as He's in the light, we have fellowship one with another6 And the water washes away all...
Student Body: No. No.
Dr. Kinley: And the blood of Yahshua the Messiah, washes away all sin. Is that right?
Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: The 1st chapter of Revelations says7 He's washed us from our sins in His blood. Now, please look here too, folks, that's why that sacrifice was offered up there, and that pointed to that. And listen here, we're ever so technical down here until we tell you what time of day it is, what time of the night, and what day it was. Now, this was night. If that can point to Him, then it's got to turn dark over the face of the earth from the sixth to the ninth hour. You see that now? If He was that lamb that cru... Now, Revelations 11:8. And a lot of 'em can't explain a thing about Revelations
Dr. Harris: And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
Dr. Kinley: And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
Dr. Harris: which spiritually
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Dr. Kinley: which spiritually
Dr. Harris: is called...
Dr. Kinley: Which they don't know nothing about. It's called what?
Dr. Harris: Sodom and Egypt.
Dr. Kinley: Now, Sodom is up here. Sodom is up here right around the Dead Sea. And Egypt's back down in here. What ____.
Dr. Harris: ...where also our Savior was crucified
Dr. Kinley: See that. That points to the crucifixion of the Savior, down here in Egypt, the Pascal lamb being offered up. Now, folks, this, it's not a waste of time to come down here. I'm gonna make it, I'm gonna make it my business, and this dean and these other people around here, cause we're, we're gonna try our best to tell you the truth about the thing. Now listen we're not mistaken about this. Now, let me tell you this thing, too. There is no one of them out there in the world, not a one, that can just go line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little to the Law, there a little to the testimony. They can't do that. Now look, I don't care how stupid you are, and how ignorant you are, you can see this; if it were night there when they offered that Pascal lamb, and if that was a figure of Him, it's got to turn dark over the face of the earth from the sixth to the ninth hour. Then you can see that this is a fulfillment of that. Now somebody said, 'Well, I'm getting sick and tired of you all just going on with the same thing all of the time.' Well, are you sick and tired of the sun rising in the east and setting in the west? Now, everybody in the world, three and a quarter billion, or three and a half billion people could pray for the sun to rise in the north and set in the south, it wouldn't do any good. Says, 'Well, we're together on this thing.' You gonna get that. It points to something, too. And I'll tell you this, you didn't, you never heard nobody in your life... If you did, you stand up when we're through with what I'm saying. Did you ever hear anybody in your life tell you this, that when Adam was driven out of the garden, see the sun coming down, going down, they're coming down together here. I didn't say Eve; I said Adam. He waited until the cool of the day to drive him out of the garden. Is that right? Now, this sun in the ethereal heavens, and this son... Luke, the last verse in the 3rd chapter of Luke, states that Adam was the son of Yahweh. Is that right? Now look. Now, now pay attention to this. Try to pay attention this time, because this is what these idiots out here can't do. Now that son is going down, being driven out into outer darkness. Now that means this: it's got to be dark, all the way through. It's got to be dark, all the way through. Just can't be light, got to be dark. Now, if you look in the sanctuary, you see here, you see here, this is the outside.
Look in your physical body, here in your bladder, and your intestinal tract, and you got the rib cage that's down in under here. This is a figure in your body; it's a figure of heaven. It's a earthly figure of heaven. We do know what we're talking about. You got 12 ribs on one side and 12 on the other: that's the 24 elders gathered around the throne. Your body is the Temple or the Tabernacle of
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Yahweh. Now look, pay attention. You don't know a one of them out there. Now watch this work mathematically. You take blood, water, and the angel in the cloud, the spirit. Then you come up into the wilderness, and that's forty. Blood, water, spirit, forty. Now here's what they can't do now in the dispensations and ages. Now, you go back here, it's the blood is on their heads. Noah is preaching to the four corners of the earth, just like the four points of blood of the arteries, just like the four here, just like it's on the sides, the lintels, and over the top of the door, and it's dark at night. Now, here, here's Noah's back here preaching, and he's building an ark, and they didn't know, because they had never seen it rain. They're in the dark. They're ignorant of it. They didn't see Noah; and Noah received his from Yahweh. And so then, he'd tell the people and then the blood is upon his, upon their heads. If he didn't tell them, then upon his. Get the point? So then we got blood, we got the blood here, Noah revealed the flood, we got the blood and the water. Just like that pattern, the blood and the water, the blood, the water, and the spirit. The blood, the water, and the angel. Then you've got 40. Forty days and forty nights it rained. Forty years, one day for a year. Forty years there. Same thing here. Blood, sweat of his face, water, Adam was in the Garden 40 days and 40 nights. 'Wait just a minute now, buster. Oooh, you're, you're wrong that time.' No, I didn't. Yahshua the Messiah, when He entered into the Garden of Gethsemane, right back to the same place, blood, water, spirit, 40. He said, told them, said, 'now you tarry here while I go yonder and pray, one hour.' And, if you take one hour (SOUND OF FIGURING ON BOARD), and putt that into 1000, what have you got David?
David: 40.8
Dr. Kinley: Got 40 years. He's just in there one hour. Look, they don't even do this! You're talking about getting line upon line, precept upon precept. They don't even do this. They don't even associate the Garden of Eden with the Garden of Gethsemane. They don't even know why He told His disciples to tarry here while I go yonder and pray.
I'll tell you something else they don't know. Look at the 17th chapter of John. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ All right, read, start at the first verse.
Dr. Harris: These words spake Yahshua, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come;
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that. Father, the hour is come. It's come down to that hour, that time that He should die. The Father... Now, you know where He is? Did you ever hear anybody outside of the people in this school say where He was when He said that? They don't nothing about it!! He was in the Garden of Gethsemane when He used those words. That's His prayer. Says, 'Father the hour is come.' He's out there in the Garden of Gethsemane. They don't even know where He's at! You never heard preachers say nothing about where He
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8 1000 years = 1 day
1000 years = 24 hours
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was. They don't know nothing about it. And not only do they know, not know nothing about it, they don't associate the Garden of Eden with the Garden of Gethsemane. They don't why He told His disciples to tarry out here until He would come to them again. They don't under, they don't know that... How many times did He go backwards and forwards to them? Huh?
Student Body: Three times
Dr. Kinley: They don't even know why He did that. They don't know why the High Priest went into the Most Holy Place three times on the 10th day of October, the Day of Atonement. They don't know nothing about it!!! This book is, these folks, these preachers out here in religion, they don't know nothing about it. Don't know a thing about it.
Now, the reason why I'm saying these things to you is on this account. I'm disturbed about it. I'm burdened down. Yahshua the Messiah was a man acquainted with grief, a man of sorrow.9 That's what I am. I'm just sorry, and I am grieved about you being deceived! I'm on your side! I'm not down here to lie to you.
And listen, I wanna get this over to you, too. I ain't getting paid for this. Ain't nobody paying me to preach. Now even Yahweh paid me off yet. That's right. But I gotta pay day coming? I'm gonna draw my wages, and they won't be the wages of sin either. That's death.10
But folks, look, it's not a easy thing for a person to stand up here and tell you these things. Now, I think there's one thing I oughta clear up while I'm standing up here. And that is about the, this 11th chapter of 1st Corinthians. When you come together there into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before the other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. Then He said now, don't you have houses to eat in. You see why he said that, well it's because it was over there. They don't even know what's on the menu. And even the Jews, now David says, they eat chicken and anything.
Dr. David Rosen: That's right!
Dr. Kinley: ...Orthodox Judaism. Now, the third chapter, that's a carnal ordinance, it's pointing to a spiritual thing. Now, the 3rd chapter of Revelations, now here's the thing repeating. Now you hurry yourself there. I know it's just about time to go home.
Dr. Harris: 20th verse.
Dr. Kinley: The 3rd chapter of Revelations, the 20th verse.
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9 Isaiah 53:3
10 Romans 6:23
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Dr. Harris: Behold, I stand at the door and knock.
Dr. Kinley: to the ministry. I mean the real, ordained minister. Yahweh in me and in these that are teaching the truth, if He didn't... I'm incapable. I'm disqualified,.. not capable of teaching, but it's the Holy Spirit in the teacher. Therefore, it's the Holy Spirit, and He taught all the way through this age.
TAPE 2 SIDE 1
He didn't need a substitute Peter, Paul and nobody else and all like that, and then He run on off. No. He was right in all of 'em, all down through history, the ages. He was in the prophets back here, Enoch on down prophesied with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven, if you please. Now then, here He is saying, 'behold, I stand at the door and knock.' He uses a house: your body's the tabernacle. And the tabernacle surely did have a door and a gate. Now, He says,'behold, I stand at the door and knock.' Read.
Dr. Harris: if any man hear my voice,
Dr. Kinley: Now, what he's talking about is the Passover. Now, He told them to keep it throughout your generations, and be an ordinance forever. All right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: and open the door,
Dr. Kinley: If any man, I stand at the door and knock, if any man hear my voice... They hear these devils! They hear reverend so and so. But it I stand at the door and knock, and any man hear my voice.. That's what you're gonna have to do. Then you're gonna have to do something else.
Dr. Harris: and open the door,
Dr. Kinley: Then you're gonna have to open the door. First, you'll have to hear the voice. If you don't never hear the voice, you'll never open the door. Is that right?
Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: If I open the door, and then come in...
Dr. Harris: I will come in to him,
Dr. Kinley: I will come in to him,
Dr. Harris: and will sup with him,
Dr. Kinley: Now, look! And you read over there in Matthew about this supper, (is that right,) the cup, (is that right?) I wanna know, is that right!
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Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: Now, this... Revelations means the thing is revealed, the meaning, Now, if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in, into him, and sup with him and he with me. Now, that's what we're doing! Third chapter of Galatians. Now, here we go again. Third chapter of Galatians, pay attention.
Dr. Harris: O foolish Galatians,
Dr. Kinley: Now, look. O foolish Galatians,
Dr. Harris: who hath bewitched you,
Dr. Kinley: Now, who, who fooled you? You, Mr. Baptist. You, Mr. Roman Catholic. You, Mr. Baptist. You, Mr. Methodist. You, Mr. Presbyterian. You, whoever you are. Who's bewitched or fooled you. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: that you should not obey the truth,
Dr. Kinley: that you should not obey the truth... Now, we're telling you the truth. You're gonna have to obey or lose your soul. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: before whose eyes Yahshua the Messiah...
Dr. Kinley: before whose eyes Yahshua the Messiah, hath been evidently set forth,
Dr. Harris: as crucified among you?
Dr. Kinley: as crucified among you jews?
Dr. Harris: This only...
Dr. Kinley: Just a minute! All you folks, you smart folks! You didn't know so much! I'm like the apostle Paul about it. This only would I learn of you. You can keep peace, now, if you can tell me about this. This only would I learn of you. Since you done got all worked up and all wise just like these hypocrite preachers, or these lying bastards... Now, there you are offended at the truth on that. And I hope you look it up in the dictionary? This only would I learn of you. Now, this is all he wants to know!! What?
Dr. Harris: Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law,
Dr. Kinley: Now, did you receive the Spirit by somebody giving you some grape juice and crackers or by the works of the Law. When you got baptized out there in the water, you good baptist, was there a voice come from heaven and said you was His beloved Son? Did you get the Holy Spirit by going in the water? Don't you lie, and don't try lying to me. Did you get the Holy Spirit by having your feet washed? Now this only would I learn of you. Did you, is that the way you received the Holy Spirit? Don't you set there and lie to me! Some people think
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I'm awful rough and mean to people. No sir. I'm on your side. And I labor hard to open your eyes. Now Paul said that he, he received of Yahweh what he preached.
Now, if you're going off out there, and joined into some of them, then you're in the Mother of Harlots. You're a fornicator. You're an adulterer! That's what you are. An angel flying through the midst of heaven in the 17th, 18th chapter of Revelations, they said, 'come out of her my people,' when I offer you this, and say that you, you be not partakers of her sins, and receivers of her plagues!11 Then they tell you about water washing away your sins. Tell you that Jesus said you get baptized with water. And you can't read nothing like that out of no book. Now, you're right down to it's, this is, this is came down to the critical point. You're in the intensive care ward now. And some of us oughta be confined in some kind of an eleemosynary12 institute, in the psychopathic ward too. If you don't know what that word means, eleemosynary... That means that it's final. Oh, my goodness. Now look, folks. I tried hard to just to tell you some things that you should know. And I'm trying to point out how serious it is for you to straighten up and fly right. And I'm telling you, if you refuse to do it, you'll lose your soul. Now, that's all there is to it.
Now, somebody'll think that I don't know what I'm talking about. They think I don't know. Well now listen, I've got a question on this. Can your preacher do this? Even pick up a telephone receiver and talk back to 2300 miles and tell a doctor what to do, and then he gets hot about it. Then, when he goes back to do all I told him, 'Well, I wouldn't do it,' then finds out that it's been expelled. Can your pastor do that?
Your uncle was just as full of cancer as he could. And they sewed, they didn't do a thing for him, they sewed him back up and sent him back to die, sent him back to the house to die. And you said he was gonna die. Is that right?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Can you pass along, can your pastor pass on and say, 'Farley, live.'? Can your pastor do that? And he lived. Now we been taking them out of wheelchairs this year. They been there with broken up bones and every other kinda thing. This year. And Yahweh just been healing them going and coming this year. And they call me all through the day. I mean in this, in this, in this... A woman down in, in, in Alabama come in there. She's from Mississippi. She come up there. She heard about me, she come up there to see me, about ____ ____. I said, 'Look, did you talk this over with Dr. Jones?' I said, 'He's the Dean down here.' She said, 'No, I didn't talk to him.' So I called Dr. Jones. So, ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ Then he's supposed to come back. ____ ____ ____. Then when she said he'd come back. ____ ____ ____ Dr. Harris ____ ____.
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12 A mental institution supported by charity.
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All such things as that have been going on for 43 years. I'll tell you something else your pastor can't do. He can't tell you what's gonna happen all over the world. Arafat and the Palestine, overseas there, the Palestinian, the Palestinian guerrillas, Passover ____ ____ the same thing ____. He said he come bearing an olive branch in one hand and a gun in the other. Now ____ they declared against Israel, they're the Palestinian guerrillas. Now look folks, you don't need no sense.
Galatians 4:25 and 6, and I'll let you go home.
BELL RINGS
Dr. Harris: Which things are an allegory:
Dr. Kinley: Now, he's talking about the two covenants. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: for these are the two covenants;
Dr. Kinley: I'm cutting it up short.
Dr. Harris: the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar.
Dr. Kinley: Hagar. Now, you know who Hagar was? Hagar was Abraham's... wife...
Dr. Harris: Bondwoman.
Dr. Kinley: Bondwoman. Hagar. Gentile. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia,
Dr. Kinley: Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia,
Dr. Harris: and answereth to Jerusalem which now is,
Dr. Kinley: and answereth to Jerusalem which now is,
Dr. Harris: and is in bondage with her children.
Dr. Kinley: and is in bondage with her children.
Dr. Harris: But Jerusalem which is above is free,
Dr. Kinley: Now you see how you got to go up with Jerusalem which is above, in the spirit, is what?
Dr. Harris: is free,
Dr. Kinley: is free,
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Dr. Harris: which is the mother of us all.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, both Jews and Gentiles. When Joshua went into Palestine, there were eight nations left in there of the Ishmaelites. There were twelve sons of them, too. And the others were driven out. And I'll have you to know that all of the angels in heaven weren't cast out, so you don't drive them all out of here, which is a figure.
Student Body: All right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: Leave some of them in there. And Joshua made a league with the Gibionites (Gibeonites?) and what not, left them 8 nations in there. Now, the Jews, that was their home; that's the home of the other, Gentiles. So, now, Jerusalem above is the mother of both the Jews and the Arabs. But now, in thy seed, in Isaac shall thy seed be called. So he told the bondwoman and her son, didn't drive her out of the face of the earth, just out of the house. Didn't drive 'em clear on out of the Holy Land, cause of those 8 nations left in there. How about that now? Now look, folks, as long as that thing stands over there now, them Jews and them Gentiles are not gonna get along together over there. And you're gonna have a riot and ain't nobody gonna win! How about that! 'Cause they both belong there. They've been grafted in, too. He's just only not the Elohim of the Jews only, but the whole thing. How about that? So, now, that's where we at, where we're gonna get into your troubles there, too.
Now, just like they called you over here. They called you a Afro-American and different things, called you a Afro-American. Well, you was born over here just like anybody else. Those of you who was born over here, now hasn't nobody got no right to come over here and run you out. And I know that they said we'll send all them niggers back to Africa. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Marshall Darvy come over here, and he wanted to send everybody, all of 'em back there, and he wanted the pope to gather 'em and carry them on back, and don't nobody wanna go back to Africa. On earth ____ ____ ____ anybody else. Oh, I tell you folks, you need to come to school.
And I guess one of the most important things that I did wanna tell you tonight and that's this. Now, we've said the same thing to you before. Struggle with your people, your sons, and your daughters, and your friends, and your enemies and all, and try your best to get them out here. If you notice me all the time, I don't know whether you noticed or not. When I walk down through here, I'm looking through both sides and ____ ____ fill 'em up, and get another one, there's enough people here in Los Angeles county to ____ fill a little place up here. I wouldn't say that all these up here will be saved, but just bring him on in. Now there's some up here that ain't right. That's why I, that's why I said just bring him on in. This is the place for the sinners and the hypocrites and the liars and the whatnots and the bad folks. Bring them on in, down here, let's get rid of ____ ____ bring 'em on in. Now, you do that, you hear? And let's get this place filled up to such a capacity that we won't even have seats, just seats enough.
I hope you got something out of it. STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS END OF TAPE
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
received from Lamar Greer
1 90 minute audio cassette
CATTLOG #: 74.1117
Transcribed by Dr. Sandra Giragosian
proofread by Michael and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I'm always happy and glad to testify to the things that Yahweh has revealed to me. And I wanna say that there is a lotta things that is taught in this school that are hard to understand.
I know all of you enjoyed Dr. Pat Mathess, and we're glad and happy to see a woman have that much ability and knowledge about the purpose of Yahweh, or Yahweh and His eternal purpose. It takes a little bit of study to come upon these things, to be revealed. And I wanna say this, too. There are many things, secret things, that belong to Yahweh, that He reveals unto His servants, that He just simply does not reveal to everybody that comes along.
And another thing about this whole situation is, now a person don't just turn up to be a preacher, just because they wanna join something. Every last one of these ministers, they were foreordained or predestined to be a minister. They were called in Yahweh, way back there from the foundation of the earth. Now, a lotta
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people wouldn't wanna believe that, nevertheless it's so. And He has a record... Now that's hard to believe. Now that, that's hard. It,it,it would be kinda hard for you to think that Yahweh has your name back there in the realm of eternity, way back there, Freddy Allen, Roger Jackson, and all like that. A lot of those thing, it just don't sound like they ought to be told. But it is, yes, indeed.
Now, there are so many deep, esoteric secrets that could be learned, if we were just obedient, that we really need to know. That's been my interest, in the last three or four years and I've been bearing down pretty hard to give to you, to try to tell you about things that you should know. And now, there's no need of you going anywhere else, because they just don't know.
Now, that's offensive right there, for me to stand up here and say that. Well, somebody think that their pastor out there knows this, he knows that, and he knows the other, and he don't know a thing about it. Now, Dr. Pat Mathess just got through telling you about that, and every minister that gets up on this floor, and Dr. Harris went into some things this morning that those other ministers just simply don't know nothing about. Don't even have no idea about it.
Just like Dr. Pat Mathess, says, there again, that Ted Garner (Garner Ted?) Armstrong of this Ambassador College up here in Pasadena, he said that his father didn't know, a whole lotta things his father didn't know, and neither did he. Now, that was said when I was in Springfield. And Dr. Hobbs called me up, I believe, on the telephone and told me that Ted Garner Armstrong was on, the phone, and I happened to be at Bob Buffington's house at the time, and the TV was right on it at that time. And I heard him say it myself, that there was a whole lotta things his father didn't know. Now, his father claims to be the one that Yahweh has sent in the world in the end of this age, to straighten this world out. He said, Ted Garner said there was a lot of things he didn't know. I do agree with him on that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And he said there was a lotta things he didn't know, too. Then, now, the true real facts of the matter, in the case, in the matter, now he said that, to defend them, he said, for example, of the things that they didn't know. He said that his father nor he did not know that Jesus was back there with Moses. Said, but he was, but they didn't know it. Now, listen, she told you, now, they got that book1 from us. We sent it to Ambassador College.
And we have contacted quite a few of these radio preachers, and ministers. And every once in a while they ease up on something, but they don't want you to know, just like they've already told you where they got it from. Now, he didn't tell you where he got it from.
But, now, suppose you look at Deuteronomy 29:29. Maybe, maybe I'll just tell you about this, I don't want to go long here, because I would rather just, I wanna tell you some deep things, and so... and still it's hard for me to express and, and show you exactly what I'm talking about. Read.
Dr. Harris: The secret things belong unto Yahweh, our Elohim.
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Dr. Kinley: Now, the secret things belong unto Yahweh, our Elohim. Now, they belong to Him, the secret things. Now, you can't get a hold of one of them things, one of them secrets, unless He reveals it to you.
Now, Solomon says this. Much study is a weariness of the flesh.2 Now, you can study until your head drops off, and that's, that's just not gonna reveal one of them secrets to you. It, it just won't do it. So, Yahweh just has to have to reveal them to you.
Now, all of this work around here is a deep, esoteric secret, and it is a divine revelation come direct from Yahweh. And there isn't anybody in this place, or in the world, that has enough sense to go out and to make these charts like this. They ain't got that much sense. Now, that goes for me, too. I never did have that much sense. And I wouldn't like for anybody to even give me credit for having that much sense. And if I told you that I only went to the Sixth Grade of elementary school, then you'd wanna say that you understood these things. You'd wanna say, 'Well, no, you... you're lying about that.' That's what a lot of the preachers said about me. And some of them knew me from a child up, too. And they said, 'He, he went to school somewhere. He couldn't use all them big heavy words, as they call them, unless he had went to school.'
And the Dean of Wittenburg University said, 'Well...' Dr. Gross gave him the script, manuscript that we wrote, and he says what he had to do was take the dictionary, and lay it down beside of it, the transcript, and them long-winded words, why, they would take almost three or four pages to explain one of those words, before he could get into the essence of it at all, he had such words as... Now, we speak of this, in the, in the, back here in the beginning, this is, we would say of the creator, we would say that cosmogony. Now then, when we get over here in the end, that's eschatology. When we want to describe Him as having a form, shape and a form, we say that He was a great heavenly anthropomorphic being.
Now if you haven't went to school, you wouldn't know nothing about what we was talking about. And they're just so many of the words, that we, Sister Mary and I had to spend 'bout nearly two years just working, taking them words out of there, that Dr. Gross asked me, and some of the boys back there, too. They, they wanted a manuscript that was, they wanted their school to be an outstanding thing. So, they said, 'now, you go ahead on and use words, and if we don't understand what you're talking about, or, if we don't understand the words you use,' said, 'we'll look it up.' Said, 'just let us have them in pure academic terminology.' And that's what I did. Then, when I read it, they didn't know what I was talking about.
Now, the book, the first book that we put out, now I worked with that thing, Sister Mary and I, for around two years, didn't we?
Mary Gross: Yes.
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Dr. Kinley: Before we did it, just pulling out words, such words as that. There's just a whole lot of words. Now, for me to tell you that I only went to the Sixth Grade of elementary school, now it sounds like a bare-faced lie. And then, if you took that thing right like it ought to be, I couldn't learn nothing like that in the Sixth Grade. You know that.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's what makes it sound like lying. Well, it had to come from here. It really did. And then I refused. I began to think about it, and I said, wait a minute here. This, this... I don't understand why God would give me something like this, and know good and well I haven't got no background. None of my folks never amounted to nothing, when it come to education, and learning, and all like a that, I said, I, I think that, that there's something wrong here somewhere. And, when I begin to consider, I was called a bibliomaniac, or a walking Bible. What the apostle said, he said not many wise and not many noble are called.3 I said, well, that fits me pretty good. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) But Yahweh has chose the weak things of this world to confound the mighty. I said, well now, that fits me pretty nicely. I began to see through it then. But I tell you, folks, when I had that vision, I honestly did not understand it. And the, the meaning of it had to be revealed to me: that is I had two blackouts, and then it was revealed to me that way.
Now, there are some things... For example, one of the things that Dr. Harris said this morning, that a minister stood in this pulpit and said that water baptism... That makes think of Ted Garner (Ted Garner?) Armstrong. We got an article there now, the "Good News," that's the new magazine that they put out. He said that water baptism was central to salvation, and he went on to tell that if you want to send for the book, you can forget all about water baptism.
So, Dr. Harris said that, this morning that, since John the Baptist, (now, you think about this) John the Baptist baptized the Jews, he didn't baptize no Gentiles, now. He baptized the Jews that would accept it. And there were some of them that didn't accept it at all, rejected it. Now, look now, and listen. That man said, standing in this pulpit right here, in this building, said that baptism, water baptism was to wash away your filthy sins. Is that what you said? Is that what he said? Now, quite a few of you set here and heard that man say that. Water baptism, in the way it was formed, was to wash away your filthy sins. Well, now, John baptized them here in the River Jordan before he died. Is that right? Now then, if water baptism... And look, I like to show it. Now, here's something else I been intending to... Ever since I made these charts, and this'll, this'll be the first time I ever said anything about it. And that's the River here, coming down this way, the River Jordan, comes down this way. Now, I put this up here to let you know that I know that the River Jordan don't run across like this. Now, if you take your Bible and look in the back, at your maps, you will see that it don't. It don't run, it don't run like this. But now, if you put the Tabernacle on it, and you place it in there like it belongs to be, the Tabernacle then can set it right. And that would manifest
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more than one thing. But, now, here's what I wanna say about it. Here it comes down from the Sea of Galilee, or Gennersaret, and it flows on down into the Dead Sea or the Salt Sea. It empties into that. And it crosses, that river, before it got into the Dead Sea, just above the Dead Sea.
Now, if water baptism washed away your sins, then, it was awful stupid for the Savior to die out there on the cross for our sins. Now, you don't need no sense to see that. You don't need no sense whatsoever to see that, and yet and still, in the, in the Roman Catholic Church, and in many of the Protestant churches, they all believe in water baptism.
And they think that Jesus said for us to go and be baptized. And you don't have one scripture, nowhere in your Bible... Now, we've got some good, good Bible students in here, too, and we've got some concordance, too. So... But now, if you happen to be one of them unbelievers, you start looking right now, and you're about to see what I'm about to say, when you get around to say it. Yahweh, Elohim, and Yahshua, the Father, the Word or Son, or the Holy Spirit, the Lord, God and Jesus Christ, Jehovah, Allah, Baal, never, in the history of the world, said anything about a Gentile getting baptized in physical water as an ordinance, in your Bible from back to back, from Genesis over to Revelations. Now, if you think so... I'll, I'll give you a break, now. You find it and read it to me. You got a concordance, and if you want some help, we'll give you some help. If you think it's in there, and you don't know just where it is, why you tell us where you think it is, and we'll, and we'll just stop and find it and read it to you. That's not in the Bible. That's contrary to the truth. Now, everybody, remember now, I give you a break.
Now, you can see then, if that was necessary for Him to.., them to be baptized before, and to wash away their sins, their sins should have been, according to the way that river run, it ought to have been in the Dead Sea. That is their sins washed away. Now read Revelations. I think it's about 1:9. And then somebody get John, the first epistle, and I think it's the third chapter. Dr. Jackson do you have it? Yes, that's right, if we walk in the light. Read.
Dr. Harris: 1st John 1:7.
Dr. Kinley: 1st John 1:7.
Dr. Harris: But if we walk in the light,
Dr. Kinley: But if we walk in the light,
Dr. Harris: as He is in the light,
Dr. Kinley: as He is in the light,
Dr. Harris: we have fellowship
Dr. Kinley: we have fellowship
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Dr. Harris: one with another,
Dr. Kinley: one with another,
Dr. Harris: and the blood
Dr. Kinley: and the. . . whoop! And the blood
Dr. Harris: of Yahshua, the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: of Yahshua, the Messiah,
Dr. Harris: cleanseth us from all sin.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's venal and mortal sin. And you want all kinds. Now, they got different kinds in the Roman Catholic Church, but whatever kind it is, it'll cleanse you from it. Everything but blasphemy. Now, Revelations, I think it's 1:6.
Dr. Harris: Revelations 1:6.
Dr. Kinley: 1:6
Dr. Harris: And from Yahshua, the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: And from Yahshua, the Messiah,
Dr. Harris: who is the faithful witness,
Dr. Kinley: who is the faithful witness,
Dr. Harris: and the first begotten of the dead,
Dr. Kinley: and the first begotten of the dead,
Dr. Harris: and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
Dr. Kinley: and the ruler... and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
Dr. Harris: Unto Him that loved us,
Dr. Kinley: Unto Him that loved us,
Dr. Harris: and washed us from our sins in His own blood.
Dr. Kinley: Now, now, now can you see that? Now, when you look up here at the pattern, in the migratory pattern, they had to offer up that lamb before they could leave Egypt, before they got to the water. Look at the, look at the pattern in the Tabernacle. They come in the gate here, in the gate there, and the first place you are, you put the blood on the altar there, before you get to the laver here, where
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the water is.
This pattern, this pattern dictates what's happening and what's going on. You can't make no mistakes if you go by this pattern. It's just a matter of absolute impossibility to make a mistake, if you go by the pattern. Now, if you don't understand, this thing might look like scrambled eggs to you. As one person said, 'That looks like scrambled eggs.' Yeah, you're right about that. And the message of Yahweh is deep, and He hasn't done anything else, but just reveal them secrets to His servants, the prophets.4
Now, that's all there is to it. You can't read up on 'em. They been trying that. And then, as Dr. Patton told you, which you should pay attention to it, too. And Dr. Harris said it this morning. And almost every time you come down here, we tell you the same thing, maybe a little different words, but the same thing.
They don't know why Jesus went to John to be baptized in the first place. They don't know. They think He's setting up a Christian example for us. Let me tell you something. Christ was no Christian. I said that one time, oh, about thirty some years ago. And one of the boys that belonged to the school, his wife didn't belong, he went home. And she said to him. Said, 'We had Sunday School.' Afterward he went home and told his wife. And the wife said to him, 'Well, what did you learn this morning?' He said, 'I learned that Christ wasn't no Christian.' She said, 'lt's time you quit going down there.' (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) No, He was the real thing! Yes, indeed. And so, the thing of it is, what we're teaching down here is hard, hard to be understood.
Now, I brought that thing up. And I wanna tell you about a few things. But there's just one thing right there, you could see, if you just, just, just wanted to. Now, when they went to John to be baptized, they had to confess their sins. And if they didn't confess their sins, then John wouldn't baptize them.
Now listen here, from the High Priest on down, and he was about the highest authority there was, he and Moses, back there at that time. And the High Priest, he had to offer for his own sins, or his own errors, and then for the errors of the people. Now, if that caught the High Priest, then that means that everybody had to be, had to be baptized back there.
Now then, what I'm trying to say to you is this. Now, if that be the fact then, and water has washed away your sins, now why is it that some of these preachers, it has never been revealed to them that water baptism just don't wash away nobody's sins. What's the purpose of water baptism? Now, let's carry that thing a little further.
Now here is a fetus. You know what that is, don't you? A fetus. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Now, even them words that Yahweh don't have no intentions of revealing no secrets or nothing like that, and, and this condition, they didn't, they didn't have no idea of that. But see, feed us... Now, that's what took place in the
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Wilderness of Sinai. They were fed of that bread, manna, right in the same place, right back here where the fetus is. Now then, that fetus is surrounded in a bag of water in the womb. Is that right, Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: Right!
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen, there isn't anybody in this building, that hasn't been baptized in water. That had to be, for you to be here. Now, how about that? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) You follow now? I'm just showing you how smart Yahweh is, and how stupid we are. We talk about a whole lotta things we don't know nothing about.
Now this... Now, this, that child is in mother, is in its mother's womb, and it is surrounded by water, and then it has a placenta right above it, just like you have clouds above you, or the Children of Israel had the cloud above them when they went through the Red Sea, and they were surrounded by water. Oh, I tell you.
Now then, take this on back now, just to show you now, how smart and how large Yahweh is. Now, there's lots to say about Israel coming up out of the sea here, and being baptized and inundated in that tunnel right there, in the cloud and in the sea, being baptized in there, and going into the Wilderness.
But now, we have to go on back further than that. That child is in his mother's womb. Now, you have to go clear on back in mother earth. And here's Adam, he's inundated in that water that covered the face of the earth, and every sinew, and every fiber, and every tissue, and every cell was inundated in the bowels and the womb of mother earth. Adam, I'm talking about. Now, Yahweh baptized him in the creation of the world. And it's drawn out right here, that that is the case. That is before you got to the Red Sea. Now, that's the first man, Adam, in the bowels and womb of mother earth.
Then He comes up and duplicates that thing by that seed or the sperm that is injected into the womb. And it takes on a fetus there, or the embryonic state. And then it takes on shape and form there in the womb. Now, a lotta times, when we're talking about it in taking on shape and form in this cloud, these attributes, inorganic, just like the spermatic fluid, inorganic. And that child takes on a shape and a form, when the sperm of a male and female ovum get together. Then we try to show you how this cloud, which symbolized pure spirit, how that this... Now, this, this... I said symbolized spirit. I didn't say it was spirit, now. I said it symbolized that.
But now, while we're on that, I'd like to bring you up something real nice and deep. Now then, we talk about the nine attributes, the nine planets, the nine systems in your body, and you can read about the nine planets. You can read about the nine vessels that is in this, the Tabernacle. Right? Now, then it has the Court Around About. Now, the cloud is the Court Around About. In other words, even the tenth... Ten is concrete. That's all she wrote. Five is abstract and ten is concrete. So the cloud that he saw it in, saw everything in that cloud, saw the Creator, and everything else in that cloud. They take on shape and form there in
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that cloud, that is the organization of these attributes. Now, what is formed first? Now, you're way on down in there now. What is formed first of the attributes? Now listen, I'm talking about Elohim, Yahweh Elohim now, right here. Which is formed first?
Student Body: The head.
Dr. Kinley: The head! Then if that be true then, then you have the first born, God, as you call Him. Oh, boy, I'm telling you. Listen. Now, the reason why... Maybe you're wondering why I brought that up that way. When Moses, he was told to come up there and get the Ten Commandments, and they were written in tables of stone. Now, before he went up, I'd like for you to see this. Now, this is important, and you probably won't hear nothing more about this, unless you hear it in this school.
Now the Genesis, now you call that the first book of the Bible. I thought about it this morning, when Dr. Harris was talking about it. He said the first book of the Bible, and you go and begin at the beginning, so you begin at Genesis 1:1. No. You can't learn nothing there, because you don't have the cloud in Genesis 1:1. It don't say a thing about the cloud. Do you see that now? The cloud is absent. Now then, not only that. Listen what I'm gonna say now. Are you listening?
Now, Moses, when Yahweh had spoke from the top of this mountain, and gave him those commandments, which you have in the 20th chapter of Exodus, Moses wrote the words that Yahweh spake down. He put 'em down on tablets. Then he took the blood of bulls and of goats, and had all the blood of the sacrificial animals, and he sprinkled the, the blood. He sprinkled the book, and he also sprinkled the audience with the blood of the bull. Now did you get what I said? Moses wrote down what He said. Then, you don't begin with the commandments in Genesis, so Genesis can't be the first book. How about that? Never, never get up on it at all.
Now, Dr. Pat Mathess talked about that Yahshua the Messiah begin at Moses, and then all the prophets. I want to say something else to you, now. Now, pay attention. In the Genesis, the book of Genesis, all the way through it from start to finish, Moses's name is not in it. Now, how about that? His name is not in it at all. How do you know whether he wrote it or not? How can you tell whether he did write it or not? His name is not in it, not on it nowhere. Now, I wouldn't advise you to go out and ask every preacher you see about this. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) I wouldn't advise you to do that.
Now, then, Moses then went up into the midst of the cloud, after he had dedicated, and he said to the people, he said, 'Now this is the covenant which Yahweh.'5 Exodus 24:8 KJV If you want to read it, I'll let you read it in there. '...which Yahweh, our Elohim, has enjoined unto us.' Now, listen, folks. Now, that was before he saw the vision of the creation. Now, here's another deep one, now. Now, Yahshua the Messiah begins with Moses. Now, if He begins with Moses, He
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can't begin with the creation.
Now then, here's where Moses first gets in contact with Him is at the burning bush, that is Elohim at the burning bush. That's where he saw Him at. Moses saw Him. Now, Moses had slew this Egyptian out here.
Here's something else, now. You can just blunder and stumble along, just stumble along, and make all kinds of errors and mistakes, and unaware. That's the reason why Yahweh has to give you somebody that has had some contact with Him. The only reason I... I'm not capable of teaching, it's the Holy Spirit that's the teacher. Me, as a man, I'm just a, I'm just a man. Got no business running around boasting about how smart I am. No, I'm just champion of the idiots. If I hadn't been, Yahweh couldn't have told me a thing.
But now, Moses, he slew this Egyptian down here in Egypt, and then he went out there and stayed 40 years in the wilderness.6 One day, in the evening, he was fixing to take his father, Jethro's Ruel, sheep on back in, and he saw this burning bush on the backside of the mountain, and so he turned aside to see that great sight, and he walked up to that burning bush, and Yahweh told him don't come no further.
'Moses, Moses...' Now look, there's something else in there now you need to see. Yahweh knew Moses's name. And He called him by Moses, by his name Moses, while you run around and you pretend there ain't nothing to a name. If He hadn't a called him by name, identified Moses by his name, if He called somebody else, why then Moses wouldn't have paid no attention to that. He would know good and well He wasn't talking to him. Now, if Moses's name is all that particular, well what do you think about Yahweh! There's no one knew His name. Now, before then, (now, listen to what I'm going to say) now, before then, remember, I told you that Moses's name was not in the book of Genesis at all. And Yahweh called him by his name. 'Moses, Moses...' In other words, stop, take off your shoes off your feet. Why for? Because the place on the ground where you stand is holy ground. That's holy ground. Right? Now, He's communicating with Moses.
Now, I'm taking shortcuts now. I don't wanna go into a whole lot of detail. So, He told Moses about coming back down here, and bringing the Children of Israel out with him. Now, Moses wanted to know where He was going to be. And He said, 'Certainly, I will be with you. Certainly I will...' Now, look here. Read the 28th chapter of Matthew, and the 19th and 20th verse. Now, I'm showing you how people, we just got through talking about baptism, I'm just showing you how stupid people are. And they just think they're smart. They don't know why Yahshua the Messiah said to them what He said there in the 28th chapter, talking about the great commission. Read.
Dr. Harris: Go ye therefore,
Dr. Kinley: Go ye therefore,
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Dr. Harris: and teach all nations,
Dr. Kinley: and teach all nations,
Dr. Harris: baptizing them in the name of the Father,
Dr. Kinley: baptizing them in the name of the Father,
Dr. Harris: and of the Son,
Dr. Kinley: and of the Son,
Dr. Harris: and of the Holy Spirit.
Dr. Kinley: and of the Holy Spirit.
Dr. Harris: Teaching them to observe all things
Dr. Kinley: Teaching them to observe all things
Dr. Harris: whatsoever I have commanded you:
Dr. Kinley: whatsoever I have commanded you:
Dr. Harris: and, lo,
Dr. Kinley: and, lo,
Dr. Harris: I am with you alway.
Dr. Kinley: I am with you alway. Now, that idiot, he done forgot about that. And he don't know why He said that to 'em. Now, He had to say that to 'em, because He told Moses that He would be with him alway, when He sent him down here. That right? Said, 'where you gonna...?' Certainly I'll be with you! Now what was the...
(BREAK IN RECORDING)
Dr. Kinley: How about that? Can you see that now? Said, lo, I am with you alway, from here on up and to Palestine, I'm gonna be with you every jump of the way, not only that, even unto the end of the age. Now, this age hasn't ended yet! It ended in 1960, but what I'm talking about, and what I'm trying to show you is this. He is with you now. Say, 'Well, I don't see Him.' (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) How about that? Oh, I tell you, it's terrible. Don't it sound kinda stupid for Him to say that He's gonna be with the apostles always, even to the end of this age, knowing good and well they're gonna die. I tell you, Yahweh's miffed. Yahweh's miffed. I mean alway, even unto the end of the age. Every minister, everyone that Yahweh ever sent, He's with them.
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And then, I wanna tell you something else. Now, He identified Moses and called him by name. Said, 'Moses, Moses'. Called him by name. Now watch this one.
Now, Moses is out in the wilderness. And Moses argued around there. Yahweh says, 'What's that you got in your hand?' And he said, 'a rod.' 'Throw it on the ground.' And it turned into a serpent. And He told Moses to take it up by the tail, and he did, and it was back into a rod again.
TAPE I SIDE 2
Dr. Kinley: Now, when... Now, the reason... I'm going to skip, now. I'm going to skip. Now, when he gets down here before Pharaoh and them, same rod throws it down, and Moses's rod devoured Jannes's and Jambres's rods, and they turned to a serpent. And Moses's rod or serpent swallowed up Jannes's and Jambres's. Those were Pharaoh's men. Got that now? Then Moses picked it up. Now, look. Looks like we'd learn somewhere along the line. Then, he goes on out, and then he gets to the Red Sea. Then we got to have the rod again. He's crying unto Yahweh. Says, 'What's that you got in your hand there?' See how quick and easy we forget? He wasn't thinking nothing about no rod, holding no rod out over no Red Sea. He forgot about these two things back there. He done forgot all about it. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Said, 'What's that you got in your hands?' (BELL RINGS) Oh, mercy. Time's expired. Well, I was just trying my best to show you some of the deep things that, that people overlook. And I'm gonna tell you about this one. I'm gonna tell you about this one, even if they have rung the bell.
He know Moses, and He told Moses that, that he was the Elohim of his father, and of Araham, Isaac, and Jacob. He went on back there, and He brought Isaac and Jacob. He knew their names. All right, now, that's... He's talking to Moses at the burning bush. Now listen. Moses complained about his impediment of speech; and He asked him who made man's mouth.
So, He told him now, get this one now, because you don't hear much about this. He told Moses, not only did He know Moses, but He said He was gonna give him Aaron. Now, here He knows his father, knows Moses, He knows Aaron. He knows every, He knows everybody. Gonna give you Aaron, your brother. And his brother come out here, to this place at the burning bush and met him, back, back there on, on the back of the mountain. Aaron met him here. He didn't go over here in whatchamacallit, in Midian, the land of Midian. He met him at the mountain, right here, right back there at that same place. That is to say, he come back there. Now, look. Now, there's Moses at the burning bush, and he is seeing this angel in this burning bush or that flaming bush. Now, I brought that up to show you this. See, you wouldn't think of it in a million years, unless somebody told it to you. Now, here is Moses at the burning bush, and he is seeing this vision at the burning bush. Now, on this side, right here, there is this same messenger, that was in the burning bush, the angel or the messenger. There's the same messenger down here talking to Moses's counterpart. That is to say, He's down here talking to John the Baptist's father, behold the same conditions. And here's John, Zechariah, the angel Gabriel spoke to him at the burning bush or the golden
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altar of incense, and told him about the birth of John the Baptist.7 Now, that's almost unbelievable, and, fact of the matter is, Zechariah didn't believe it. So then, he was smitten dumb, until that child was born. And they asked him, says, 'What's his name?' Said, 'Yahcanan.' That's John, in Hebrew. That's the first time he spoke.
Now, I'd like awful well, but that the time has expired. I'd like awful well to just to show you something else about that, which, I had to bring all that up in order to show you this. Now, you see him out here in the wilderness at the burning bush out there in the Holy Place. And he comes right down into Egypt. Now, here's the burning bush here, and you have to come down to the altar here. Now, here He is, He is the intercessor here. He's in the Holy Place. Now, this same place, one, two, this same place, is where He gave, ate that supper at that night, where they ate the supper. After He rose up from the supper, and rose the disciple's feet, washed the disciple's feet in the upper room.8
But, now, the Holy Spirit wasn't poured out yet, but they're in the upper room, and He went right back up there in the upper room, after He resurrected from the dead. Now, this is what I'm showing. Now, when He's in the upper room with His disciples, eating that supper... Suppose you look at Revelations 11:8. I just wanna show you that that supper is all the way around, every which away, Garden of Eden, and every where.
Now, He sent Moses back down here. Now, Yahshua at that supper, when He had finished that supper with His disciples, here He is here. You got to have your blood, and your water, and then the spirit. Always. You can't do nothing else but blood, and water, and the spirit. Now, then, at that supper, He told them about that 17th chapter of Saint John, at the supper. Now, read what you got there, and then somebody pick up the 18th chapter of John, the 18th chapter and begin with the 1st verse.
Dr. Harris: Revelations 11:8.
Dr. Kinley: Revelations 11:8.
Dr. Harris: And their dead bodies
Dr. Kinley: And their dead bodies shall lie in the street
Dr. Harris: of the great city,
Dr. Kinley: of the great city,
Dr. Harris: which spiritually
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Dr. Kinley: Now this is... Now, that's why we mess up. ...which spiritually is called
Dr. Harris: Sodom and Egypt,
Dr. Kinley: Sodom and Egypt. Now, Egypt is down here, and Sodom is up here around the Dead Sea. One of them in the Holy Land, and the other one down here in Egypt. So, it's that all the way through. Read.
Dr. Harris: where also our Savior was crucified.
Dr. Kinley: Now, now you know good and well, your Savior was crucified at a place outside the walls there, a place called the skull, right outside the walls. And yet, when He was crucified, He was crucified down here, in Sodom and in Egypt, spiritually so. And not only that, He was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. How'm I doing? Am I doing all right?
Now, He said to His disciples there, who really were in the upper, upper, upper room, at that supper, He told them, the 17th chapter of John, that, that He prayed there. That's, that's, now that's, that's Yahweh Elohim's or Yahshua's prayer. Now then, that's the 17th chapter. Now go on down to the 18th chapter and the 1st verse.
Dr. Harris: When Yahshua had spoken these words,
Dr. Kinley: Now, when Yahshua had spoken these words,
Dr. Harris: He went forth with His disciples
Dr. Kinley: He went forth with His disciples
Dr. Harris: over the brook Kedron,
Dr. Kinley: over the brook Kedron,
Dr. Harris: where there was a garden,
Dr. Kinley: where there was a garden,
Dr. Harris: into which He entered,
Dr. Kinley: into which He entered,
Dr. Harris: and His disciples.
Dr. Kinley: He and His disciples, after He spoke those words. Now, then, the words that He spake there, is in the 17th... that's His prayer, there in the 17th chapter. Now, listen. Now, watch what I'm saying now. Here's that deep one. Right back at it. He had to go right straight back up there to the same place, where He went with, with His disciples. He had to go back to that same place
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where He ate that supper, after His resurrection. Now, He was back there again. Now, here's what I'm telling you. He is back now with them, right in the same place that he ate in the supper.
Now, within you, He is the intercessor, or the Holy Spirit in you that's doing the praying. And while... then I'm ending. While the Children of Israel was on the outside, three tribes on each side, making up the twelve, while it was the 9th hour, and 12 o'clock at Noon, and 3 o'clock in the afternoon, three times in that day, was called the hour of prayer, that he was burning incense, the High Priest was burning incense in here, at that, at the hour of prayer. And they didn't have the Holy Spirit, so then, He says, Yahshua says this: I will pray the Father for you, meaning He is the intercessor. He don't pay no attention to nobody but His Son. Now then, they was on the outside around here praying, and the incensor was burning, took the place of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit makes the intercession for us now, and He is a quickening spirit in you, making the intercession for you. Do you understand it, David?
All I'm saying is this. You're right back in the same place, right back in the same place. There isn't any other way to go but right up and down this pattern. There isn't any other way to go. This takes up heaven and earth and every other thing. There's nowhere else to go. Follow that now? So now, we, up there, He's out in the Garden of Gethsemane, now... Now, if you look in the 26th chapter of Matthew, and the 36th verse, then I'm done.
Now, when He told them, when He was up there, during that supper, He said now, this is my blood of the New Covenant. Drink ye all of it. He broke the bread. He said, take eat. This is my body, which is broken... Is that what He said? Now, He gave them the cup. Now, do you actually know the actual words that He said out there in the garden? In other words, this is what I'm saying. He said the same words out there in the garden that He said at the supper. Father, if this be Thy will, in the garden, let this cup pass from me, nevertheless, not My will, but Thy will be done. In other words, the garden... Now, now get this one straight. They come up out of Egypt, cross over the Red Sea, and went into the wilderness. Is that right? Now, then, they came down from the house where they ate the supper, crossed over the brook Kedron, is that right? Is that what you read? Read it again, 18th chapter, 1st verse.
Reader: When Yahshua had spoken these words, He went forth with His disciples over the brook Kedron,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh
Reader: where was a garden,
Dr. Kinley: Uh huh.
Reader: into the which He entered, and His disciples.
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Dr. Kinley: Yes, that's right. Now, you see Him and His disciples. Now, you have to get the 26th chapter of Matthew. I didn't want to have you to read all that. You have to get the 26th chapter of Matthew, and about the 36th verse, and you'll find that He's entered into the Garden of Gethsemane, and in the Garden of Gethsemane, He is praying there. He says, Father, if it be Thy will, let this cup pass from me, nevertheless, not My will, but Thy will be done.9 Then about that time, here comes Judas with his torches, and his lights and things, and that gang. Is that right? You follow? Now then, that means this. ____ drove him out of the garden, Adam, here comes Judas and the Devil, in the garden obviously, and the sun was going down, that was night, He's out there, and said them same words. Now, this blood is always on the bottom, so then let this cross pass from me, but nevertheless not My will, but Thy will be done. That's what He's praying there in the garden, and He's saying the same thing in the garden that He was saying at the supper. Now, that's what I was trying to point out to you. Take this cup and drink. Now, if it be Thy will, let this cup pass from Me, nevertheless, not My will but Thy will be done. It's an intercession that He was making.
Oh, I tell you, it's great to know Yahweh! And listen, you ain't gonna unravel this Book, unless someone come along that Yahweh sent to show you.
(STUDENT BODY CLAPS)
END OF TAPE
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9 Matthew 26:39
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
recorded by Edna Law
1 90 minute and 1 60 minute audio cassettes
CATTLOG #: 74.1120
Transcribed by Mary Colucci
proofread by Geraldine Rothstein, Susan Ameigh, and Michael Rothstein
proofread and approved by International Public Relations Committee - 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, ain’t that right, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand.)
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
Dr. Kinley: This Wednesday night class.., we try to conduct it a little bit different than we do the other classes in this respect: we like to teach first and then give you some time to ask questions about the teaching. Now I'm sorry that I have to tell you this but the truth is right in the Book. We don't have any meetings unless we tell you about the true names, the Godhead and the Father and the Creator of this universe. We just don't have no meetings without doing it. Now, these names are in dictionaries, they've been in there all the time but we just haven't made no particular study of it, the average person preaching and teaching, and consequently they have taken the King James Version of the Bible and used the terms Lord, God, and Jesus Christ and that's as much as the majority of the people know, in particular. And then the American Revised Version, I believe it is, uses Jehovah. And now you know we are living right down in the end of this age, well the age is already ended in '60, 1960, but just like it was in the days of Noah, Yahweh had 120 years what we might call a probationary period, while the ark was in preparing but so far as Yahweh was concerned the end had come when He told
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Noah to build an ark. He said the end of all.., if you wanna read it, I'll let you read it. You better read cause often times people think that you're trying to put something off on them, but now that's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to get around to letting you know what the truth about this whole situation is. And I want to say this while I'm after it. Now here's a book that was written by A. B. Traina, says that God, deity of the nations, all the gods of the nations or gentiles, all the gods of the nations are idols. Psalms 96 and 5. A. B. Traina is a Italian Jew. He was versed in Hebrew language, he knew the names and he wrote this book that we have here, it's authentic, it's genuine so far as the names is concerned. We recognize the fact that it does have some errors and mistakes in it. And you don't have any Bible that don't have irrespective in regard who they are written by. Now down here in this school.., now we're not down here to have no fun and we're not down here trying to agree with anybody either, that isn't, that isn't our purpose to agree with anybody. You will shortly be called to give an account for the deeds done while you're at home in your body, in your body. It's Yahweh's job to give you somebody that does know, that's His responsibility. When He created this universe, He made everything as it was to abolish your and mine excuse for ignorance and colossal stupidity. I'd like for you to read. Do you have it.
Reader: Genesis 6:13.
Dr. Kinley: Genesis 6:13. Now you pay attention to this.
Reader: And Elohim said unto Noah,
Dr. Kinley: And Elohim said unto Noah,
Reader: the end of all flesh is come before me.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Read on.
Reader: For the earth is filled with violence through them
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: and behold I will destroy them with the earth.
Dr. Kinley: Um hum
Reader: Make thee an ark of gopher wood.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that. Now He's telling him the end is already come so far as He's concerned. You see that now. Now you prepare an ark. Now the point I was trying to make there is trying to show you that the end, so far as Yahweh was concerned, was already come before Noah ever started on the ark. Now I told you 1960 was the end and you've been on an extended probationary period for 14 years. Now you might as well know how I get those calculation like
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that, I don't have the time to go into all those details, but we did write a book and we explained all of those details and things in the book.
So now getting back to this, A. B. Traina being an Italian Jew, he writes here and tells you about the true names and where the erroneous names and all come from that you have in your King James Bible, in the Bible. Now here's the thing that's so important about it. Now in Ten Commandments, they have written up there that Pharaoh was not drownded in the Red Sea and then he went back, after his host was drownded in the Red Sea, and took his son, he's the first born of man and beast, when that destroying angel slew 'em that didn't have that blood over the doors and on each side of the lintels, of each side of the doorpost, was destroyed or was, died and showed the Pharaoh went back and took his son and took and laid him in the arms of Molech, an idol. Now when you stop and think about the many people, the very best that you could find on earth to help him to write that, what they call the Ten Commandments, the very best among the theologians as it is called or those that was acquainted with the Bible. Now that's the kind of a mess they made. They say that Pharaoh wasn't drownded in the Red Sea. It's that way in the Ten Commandments picture. And he went back, Pharaoh went back and took his son and laid him in the arms of Molech, Molech was an idol deity. Now I want to repeat that and I want you to bear that in mind so you can catch on to what I'm talking about now. Now Molech was not an Egyptian deity. Molech was a Canaanite deity. And Solomon built Molech a temple. Now there's them smart men, Psalms 136:14 and 15. I want you to see it now, they said that he wasn't drownded in the, in the Red Sea and they showed what he did. They didn't even know that Molech was a Cannanite deity, and Pharaoh definitely was drownded in the Red Sea. Now that's the way that is. But millions on top of millions of people don't know no better. And when you tell 'em something that they have never heard before, then they're all up and say, 'that man don't know what he's talking about.'
Now I make it my business to gather up all kinds of books and we've got many thousand dollars worth of books in this school, an extensive library by the smartest there is in this world, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox Jews and every other kinda thing that you think of: Jehovah's Witness, we got all of their books. And when ever (whenever?) we tell you something we're prepared to prove it.
Now I don't draw no salary in this school, I never have drawn one. This school is 43 years old, there never would have been a school in the first place (I can say that since I'm the founder of it) there never would have been a school in the first place if they would let us teach as the scriptures say. Now anybody with any just common horse sense and apply that horse sense, mother wit that you have, you oughta know that we didn't pay any attention... If my father, if my name is Kinley, if that was.., if that is my name, you know what my father's name is, then why is it that you can't see.., it just don't make sense and you know it don't, for you around talking about the Lord, God and Jesus Christ, the Son of God and the Lord. Got lords many, every which a way. Now I've, I've missed bringing a Roman Catholic Bible tonight, but we've got three or four of 'em there in the case. And they've got the name Yahweh in there, they say that Yahweh is correct and
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right. We've brought these books down here before and we did this through.., this is the 43rd year of this school, going into the 44th year, and we've carried in our classrooms books, just a whole library, encyclopedias, many volumes of 'em and Bible dictionaries and every other thing. Follow? And whenever we tell you something that's the way it is. Now plus the fact, now I used to be.., I haven't forgotten about Psalms 136, I haven't forgot it at all, so I don't want you to think I forgot it, and I'm not gonna miss reading it to you, but I just wanna show you that the Bible does say definitely in plain words that any idiot can understand that Pharaoh definitely was drownded in the Red Sea. And he would have to be. Why did I, why would I say that? The scriptures can't be broken. Dr. Harris maybe you better read that.
Reader: To him which divideth the Red Sea into parts for his mercy endureth forever and made Israel to pass through the midst of it for his mercy endureth forever, but overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red Sea.
Dr. Kinley: Is that plain enough for you? I want to know is that plain enough for you?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now you can just be a touch stupid and understand that. See that now? Now you just stop and think, about 20 million dollars spent making Ten Commandments and this man Dr. Gross, your president, wrote to Cecil B. Demille, they had a.., the silent moving pictures of Ten Commandments and we found out that he was contemplating on making the new talking commandments, making a new Ten Commandments, the talking picture. And Dr. Gross wrote, we have the letter at home, and asked him if I could be on his staff. Wrote back and said he was filled up. Now if you have access to the book, the comprehensive outline of The Ten Commandments and all, you get the names of those great theologians that helped him to write that book. He gathered 'em up, the best that he could find everywhere, and paid 'em a, quite an awful lot of money to write those books. Now you find here that Pharaoh was drownded in the Red Sea. Is that right? It says that. Now if you go over there in Exodus and read about it over there in Exodus, then, it doesn't, it don't just speak that plain and so then they just thought they could get by with it. Well now, that's not the way we do things here. Now I would have to go through all of that rigamarole (rigmarole?), I could, I could show you how to go in and you could help yourself even without reading the 115th division of Psalms. Let me show you how, how you do that, let me show you how you can do that. First this man, Adam, was taken from the dust and bowels and womb of mother earth, that's where he come from, so when he disobeyed, he was put back in the ground from whence he came. Is that right? Now do you see that? Now then, coming on down to the flood, it's more pronounced on that big chart down there. We do everything that we can possibly do to show you how it works. Well now, Adam, he's buried, he's died, he had to, had to die, and you have to line everything up by this pattern. This is the pattern here. You have to line everything up by that, you got the blood here and your water there. Now that means this: that you have to come on back here in pure spirit and line up everything right
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through the creation and you have to keep it that way, never digress or deviate from it, if you do, you're wrong. Right straight on down, right straight on down. Doesn't make any difference where you go, all down there, look, look, look at that chart down there, it's made just that way. Now this is what we have done, we have taken your Bible, I'm talking about the whole of it, every bit of it, left out nothing, and put it together in such a way that you can tell that Yahweh does exist, and everything He made, He made it to abolish your excuse for not knowing Him as He is. Now there's something else I should tell you before we move from there, Yahweh created the devil. Now he is not really Yahweh's adversary, He's yours. Now he, the job He made him for to do, Satan is doing a good job of that. Now you just should give him credit for that. And just like Yahshua the Messiah said, He said that the scriptures couldn't be broken. Now that's the thing we need to learn, the scriptures can not be broken. And therefore Judas, he couldn't do anything different the way that he done and neither could Messiah do anything any different than what He done, cause the scriptures just couldn't be broken. He had, the Messiah had to go away as is written of Him, and Judas had to go the way, written of him. One didn't have no more of a way of getting out of it than the other one did. And Yahshua said that the scriptures, that all that the Father had given Him He kept but the Son of Perdition, none is lost but the Son of Perdition. What's that for? That the scriptures might be instituted.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now the devil, this is what he's done to you folks, you not knowing and eager to do right and listening to your ministers. You tried to do what they told you and taught you to do, I done the same thing. So I'm no, I'm, I'm no different than what you are so far as that part of it is concerned. I did that which I knew or at least I thought what was right, but now I want to show you that Yahweh.., and we wanna watch to see now this thing and I'm gonna try my best tonight to show you just what's going on. Dr. Harris, Romans 1:19 and 20 one more time.
Reader: Because that which may be known of Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. You can know something about Yahweh. Now he's gonna tell you why pretty soon. You can know. Now he didn't say believe or feel like it. Says that which may be known of Yahweh. Read on.
Reader: is manifest in them,
Dr. Kinley: Is manifested in these people right here, the Jew. Man was made in the likeness and image of Elohim. Listen He made it that way so that you would have no excuse, say, 'well, I don't know it.' Abolished your excuse right there. You see that now. Alright, read on.
Reader: For Yahweh has showed it unto them.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see? Yahweh has showed it unto them, that is to say, He has revealed it unto them. Alright now read on.
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Reader: for the invisible things of him,
Dr. Kinley: Now that for is a, is a conjunction that joins together a complete thought. Now, since you read that, I have a statement to make right here. I told you I was not.., I never have been on no salary. We haven't had no teachers in this school that's ever been on a salary, there never has had one and we don't never expect to have one. See that? So now I.., even if I was on a salary and since I am not on no salary, I'm not paid to get up here and lie to you. I ain't afraid to tell you the truth. There's something else too about that. 43 years that I've been cussed out and beat up, bodily beat up by the black Muslims, 906 Hopkins Street in Cincinnati, Ohio, bad as I've been beat up and mistreated by my own relatives and some... If I had not seen a vision and had a revelation I'd look every last one of you straight in the face and tell you every last one of you 'go to hell, I wouldn't fool with it.' I wouldn't even been here tonight as bad as I felt, been questionable with me whether I would be able to come to school tonight or not, but I knew that new people would come here and most particular at this time, so I scrambled on out and I come down here. Now, if I told you that Yahweh gave me a vision and revealed it to me, just like He did to the rest of the apostles and Moses and them, and John and them. And now I'm under no obligation to stand up here and lie to you. And then, I want you to know this too: Yahshua the Messiah said this, 'now if I don't do the works of Him that sent Me, don't you believe it.' Now my story is this: if I don't do better than your pope and your orthodox Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses and the other Protestants, if I don't do no better than they do and if I can't do the works that no other man can do then don't you believe me. Now that oughta be fair, hadn't it? That ought to be fair. Wouldn't you think so?
Student Body: Yes
Dr. Kinley: Yahshua the Messiah went around and preached and the Sanhedrin Council said through Nicodemus, said, 'Master, we know you're a teacher come from Yahweh.' How did you know it? 'No man can do the miracles that you do except Yahweh be with him.' Yahweh's got to be right in him, cause no man can do the miracles that you do except Yahweh be with him. Now I wanna tell you this folks, people have gotten out of wheelchairs this year, I haven't concerned myself too much through the years, course it's followed all the way down whenever the occasion arises, people have gotten out of wheelchairs, crippled up, bones broken up, you looked at 'em Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Right, right.
Dr. Kinley: You've seen 'em too, haven't you?
Man 1: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You've seen 'em too, haven't you sister Mary?
Mary Gross: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: Right in Springfield Ohio and other places around even Dr. Harris' own patients.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: He said he had to die. Is that right Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: That's correct.
Dr. Kinley: His wife is sitting back there too. Sister Farley.
Sister Farley : Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: Would you stand up and let these folks see you. Now that's her husband that I'm, that I'm talking about and your uncle.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that right? Thanks Sister Farley. Now that man had cancer.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, I can't heal nobody. Now I told you plain. Yahshua the Messiah said, 'I can of my own self do nothing, my Father in Me He doeth the works, not Me.' I can't even heal my ownself, now how am I gonna heal you? Now where did that come, that come clean with it. I don't have a thing to do no boasting about, not a thing. You got more of a right to be a boasting and blowing than I have because I seen, it isn't by faith, I've seen.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. I looked right at it, right at it and put it down on these charts and there ain't never been nobody here and there never will be I'll tell you that now, there ain't never gonna be nobody here able to dispute these things, these charts. Yes, we've had 'em to try to get up here and criticize something by saying, 'well this ain't right,' and he says something. Well look, now you know good and well there's a top on this tabernacle, you've seen it up there, we know that too, you see that, we know there's a top on it, but no, the devil wants, just wanna find something he can complain about. And then not only that, you see how these things are drawn in here, that's not right, this needs be drawn around here like this. This is wrong. We know all of that. I can find more wrong with it than anybody in the place and that ain't, that ain't all of it. We wrote a book. And there's no less than 175 errors in that book. Sabotaged. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: On purpose. Now what you're dealing with folks is a hard thing. You're dealing with something hard, something the devil just naturally will not come
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clean with you. He's, he's, he's just bound to get up here and lie to you. Yahshua the Messiah said, 'many false prophets,' 24th chapter of Matthew, 21st chapter of Luke, 13th chapter of Mark, Jude and Peter and James, all of 'em say it's so, prophets, 'many false prophets would come.' Said, 'broad is the way that leadeth unto destruction, narrow is the way that leadeth unto life.' Is that right? It's just a few that find it. And you just still go right on, right on, and you think that Yahweh's gonna forgive you for your stupidity. Now He ain't thinking about doing nothing like that. He's gonna give you somebody to tell you the truth and then send you to the Lake if you don't hear it. Lot of people think, 'well I ain't going to no lake.' Yes you are. You either disobey Yahweh, you either obey Yahweh or go to the lake. And He don't care nothing about what color you are and how much money you got and your friends and relatives and associates. He don't care a thing about it. No indeed. Now I'm just, I'm not coating it, now I just have to be plain. Now you can't hold on to reverend's hand and reverend has a wrong meaning as two left shoes and you're going on to heaven anyhow. Say you can't.., now that's all wrong folks. So now.., repeat here.
Reader: Because that which may be known of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Because that which may be known of Yahweh
Reader: is manifest in them
Dr. Kinley: is manifested in them,
Reader: For Yahweh has shown it unto them,
Dr. Kinley: Now look, Yahweh has revealed it to them. Yahweh's revealed these things to Enoch and Moses and the prophets, He revealed it to 'em, but here's what they wrote down here, He revealed it to 'em. And now look here folks, I would, I would like for you to know this, when Yahshua the Messiah came in through the loins of a woman He followed, right, isn't that in the Book, the prophets. I mean He didn't digress or deviate from the Law. I mean He followed that. Now you know by that you're gonna have to listen and you're gonna have to obey. How about that? Is that alright? Alright, read on Dr. Harris.
Reader: for the invisible things of him.
Dr. Kinley: Now what just a minute. Now nobody has never seen Yahweh in His fullness, nobody. Somebody say, 'what did you say that for?' You can't get outside and look back and say, 'that's Him over there.' Now He was manifested in His Son, all the Yahweh there was. You could see Him demonstrated and manifested in His Son, and we should see Him in one another. You see that? 'For in Him that we live and we move and we have our being,' that's the 17th chapter of Acts of the Apostles, and not only that, 'we are the offspring of Yahweh.' Now if we're gonna be the offspring of Yahweh then we would be a son or a daughter of Yahweh, not a Christian, if you please not a Protestant, not a Mohammedan, not a Baptist. You follow what I'm saying? You can just go ahead
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right on with what you're.., whatever you want to do, just sail on with it but I'm telling you now, it's my indispensable duty to tell you, you'll be lost with it. That's right, that's what it is. It's just not a Christian, Christianity is a failure and for you to be worshipping, ____ ____ ____, for you to be worshipping the Lord, God and Jesus Christ is just as bad as worshipping Molech (that's a Canaanite deity), Baal , Jehovah. Now that, that sounds bad. What makes it sound so bad? It's because we've been rooted and grounded in that all of our lives and somebody come up and tell us something like that; and without a study and being real careful get you all warm in the collar, you're liable to mash somebody in the mouth about that. The devil'll make you knock somebody down and tell you ____ just believing in the Lord, God, and Jesus Christ. You gonna get warm about it, fighting mad too. Ain't that right. Um, um, um, um, um.
Reader: For the invisible things of him.
Dr. Kinley: Okay. I showed you Yahweh's invisible. For the invisible things of Him, watch where this is going to now, watch so you can see where we're coming from, which the Pope can't do, orthodox Judaism or conservative Judaism, Protestantism, listen folks, let's get this one straight now, never forget, nobody on earth can tell you anything about Yahweh but Yahweh Himself because He's the only one that knows and consequently He's the only one that can tell you. Now you stick to that. Don't you let nobody pull you off of it, because that's the way it is. Alright. For the invisible things of Yahweh, now watch now where we're going to. Read.
Reader: From the creation of the world,
Dr. Kinley: Now we've got it from the creation of the world. See how far back we went with it. From the creation of the world, the invisible things of Yahweh from the creation of the world. What about it?
Reader: are clearly seen,
Dr. Kinley: Now you see, you can see it clearly. David would you mind standing up and facing this audience. This is a man, Yahweh made this man in His own likeness and image. What'd He do that for? So that you don't have no excuse for the things that come around, say, 'well I didn't know how He was, I didn't understand nothing about it.' There goes your alibi out of the window. I mean internally and externally. Every cell and every tissue, every sinew that it takes to make up this man's body, Yahweh made him just like that, so that he wouldn't have no excuse; that is to say man is made in the likeness and image of God. Well now, somebody might say, 'well, look if this was.., if this was Adam, and Eve was in Him, he's not pregnant with the woman.' No, this.., the man has female hormones in his body too, for your information. And the woman, she has masculine hormones in her body too. Thank you David. Now Yahweh made the thing that way so that you and I could look right straight at Him and our excuses would be abolished. Now right recently what we have done is this, there's a sun in the sky out there, it does what we call rise in the east and sets in the west. It
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did that this morning, it's been doing that ever since. How about that. What's that for? That's the sun in the ethereal heaven to point out the son of Yahweh or Adam here. Now if we get understood that Yahweh made that sun to rise then we would know that His Son, Yahshua the Messiah, would rise from the dead and He ascended in a vision or a cloud, listen and then He set down. Now that Son rise, son ascended and reaches it's zenith and Son sets down at the right hand of the Father. What's that all about? So that you won't have no excuse. Then somebody around standing lies about it, preaches, 'well, the disciples come and stole Him out of the tomb.' And every morning the sun is rising faithfully and sets down. That's a lie. Look, look, they couldn't.., you can't see that sun in the sky cause that's too hot to handle, one out there in Joseph's new tomb. They work together. Now this is what Jehovah, Ambassador College said. Ambassador College said that Yahshua the Messiah, Jesus Christ they call him, said He rose from the dead Saturday afternoon. I've got to question that. Did anybody in this building ever see the sun rise in the afternoon of any day?
Student Body: No, no.
Dr. Kinley: When you don't know what it's all about, you make such colossal blunders. You don't know why these things are as they are, then you just make all kinds of blunders. Now Sabbath means rest. Now if Yahshua the Messiah was
fulfilling as He said He was doing, when He was laid to rest in Joseph's new tomb if He rose from the dead on the Sabbath then He would have broke the rest. See you're too stupid to see that. He see every error you can make. You see that? Now Yahweh, right from the creation of the world, everything He make including the atom, He made it a proton, and a neutron and electron. This pattern is threefold. Man is threefold, he's pneuma, psyche, and soma or soul, body, and spirit. You have a Most Holy Place, a Holy Place, and a Court Around About. You have a proton, a neutron, and electron In a cell you have a nucleolus, nucleus and a cell body. Everything is make up that way. Then here's Yahweh: Yahweh pure spirit takes on a shape and a form. This shapelessness here, don't pay any attention to this, well then they're talking about the cloud, that... He takes on this shape and form. What is the shape and form? It's the attributes united into a.., organized into an organic body, and that's only seen in a vision. So then this.., this inorganic here and this organization here, this is one, this is two, and this is a three, here, just is was Most Holy Place, a Holy Place and Outer Court. No excuse. There you walking around talking about Lord, God and Jesus Christ and here you stand. 150th division of Psalms, hold it right there and we'll be back to where we were there, and the last verse. I'm just showing you. And when Yahweh decided to destroy man and beast off of the earth and every thing.., the breath of life, the breath of life, the breath of life died in that flood. Alright. Read 150 and the last verse.
Reader: let everything that has breath praise Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Let every thing the has breath praise Yahweh. Now somebody said, 'that old funny name, I ain't gonna do that.' And here you are, you're saying it all the time but you're just too stupid to know that that's what you're doing. There's
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a beast out there walking around, everything that has breath. (DR. KINLEY BREATHES AND LAUGHS) How 'bout that. Then somebody come along and say something about, 'ya, ya, ya, ya, ya.' (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) How about that. Just unnecessary stupidity and colossal ignorance. Right? Read.
Reader: for the invisible things of him
Dr. Kinley: For the invisible things of Him.
Reader: from the creation of the world
Dr. Kinley: From the creation of, now get that straight man was created and made in the likeness and the image of the Son of Yahweh, Elohim, so he wouldn't have no excuse. Now
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It's a pattern. ____. Yahshua the Messiah said, 'believe me.' Listen at what I'm saying now, 'believe me,' he said, 'I am in the Father and the Father's in Me, believe me for My very works sake.' ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ We know you come from Yahweh, and here's how we know: You out there at Lazarus' tomb, tell them to roll the stone away and Lazarus comes forth, and just... That's it Lazarus. ____ the whole thing that's the power we are talking about, 'Lazarus come forth.' I'm telling you folks, we just don't.., not gonna have no excuse and Yahweh's not going to accept none. But He made the devil out there ____ ____ ____ Yahweh Elohim. Alright, read on Dr. Harris.
Reader: For the invisible things of him
Dr. Kinley: For the invisible things of Him
Reader: from the creation of the world,
Dr. Kinley: We wanna remind you now, don't you forget now. And I'm telling you now, the Pope can't do it, orthodox Judaism can't do it, Protestantism can't do it. Take it on back to the purpose or the Godhead. Take it on back there. In creating He come on down. And told us line upon line, precept upon precept, and line upon line and precept upon precept, and line upon line and precept upon precept. He can't do that in all of the dispensations and ages. He can't do that unless Yahweh be right in Him, 'What's that ____ Doc?' You can't take your Book and read it and understand all that unless I read it. You sit tight ____ I'm gonna show you your Bible. These people have college educations, have a degree of doctor of philosophy, master of arts and every other kind of degree you can think of. Isn't that right? They can't do it. Say, 'Oh yes you can brother, ____ ____ in the Bible.' Answer that one. They can't do that. Alright read on.
Reader: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly see...
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Dr. Kinley: Now you see it's not hid in God, it's right out where you can see it. It's as clear as I can see the sky. It's right here, even a woman, even the woman. Looking back. Clearly seen. Read.
Reader: being understood,
Dr. Kinley: Now you understood by.., you understand how He is by the things that He made. Alright, being understood by..
Reader: by the things that are made
Dr. Kinley: By the things that are made, even.., go ahead.
Reader: even His eternal power
Dr. Kinley: Even His eternal power
Reader: and supernal nature,
Dr. Kinley: And supernal nature.
Reader: so that they are without excuse.
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see that? Now I.., now I, now, now Paul is just telling you, now you just don't have no excuse. Yahweh has abolished your excuse the way He made everything. And it's my advice you don't have to let one of these demonic spirits or the hypocrite preachers around telling you a whole bunch of junk. Telling you junk like this: 'well we don't know what's in heaven but come on up and give me your hand and we'll start on our way tonight, come on, and I can just see somebody, come on, come up here to the altar and be prayed for and start on your way.' Proselyting. He wants somebody to join his junk, join his church. Now if you can get a bunch of souls to believe, just like they have here, down here, there's quite an audience here. That right? Talking about people out here in California. They ____ ____ ____. ____ ____ down here ____ ____ holy spirit today, but they come down here ____ ____ ____ ____ five your life to God. And how God's setting up there shedding crocodile tears, trying to get you saved. When it's just to the opposite. Now here's, here's the way it is with Yahweh. He said He would laugh and mock when your fear comes. And you're going to heaven too, and you wouldn't acknowledge the truth. Now you're down to it and He'll laugh at you. Comes right in, scared to hell, I mean scared to death. Don't be laughing at... That's the truth, so if you think this is a lie, I'll read it to you. Yahweh knows you're, you're going to, to one way or the other. He knows what you're gonna do. It's He that puts it in you both the will and to do. Well somebody said, 'I'm my own free moral agent.' Well. No, that's your imagination. Finish that verse there, Dr. Harris.
Reader: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen
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Dr. Kinley: clearly seen.
Reader: being understood by the things that are made.
Dr. Kinley: Being understood by the things that are made.
Reader: even his eternal power and supernal nature.
Dr. Kinley: Even His eternal power and supernal nature that is called the godhead.
Reader: So that they are without excuse.
Dr. Kinley: So now there's just no excuse for that. Just no excuse. Now look here, let me say this to you. Now we just wanna use a little horse sense. Now, if the, if the Catholic Church is right, or the Roman Catholic is right or Judaism is right, all of them ought to agree. But this is what we don't have here. We don't have nobody in Orthodox Judaism that can prove the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy, listen now at my words, and the absolute infallibility of Yahweh and His eternal purpose, they just don't have it now. See that now. You don't have it in Orthodox Judaism and you don't have it in Roman Catholicism and you don't have it in Protestantism. Now, that's why we all.., listen here, am I telling the truth? Now you see here that Yahshua is His name. Now some body says, 'now look here folks, I'm sick and tired of going down to that school, every time I go down there they talking about this and that mountain story, starting with Israel and the Red Sea, ____ ____ ____ through here the Red Sea, in the wilderness 40 years and crossed over the River Jordan and I'm just sick and tired of it, every time I go down there, I'm ____ of that repetition, I'm sick of that.' Well every time you see a child born, whether it's a male or female (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Whatever ____
that way you go through ____ ____. Are you tired of that? Every morning ____ ____. Are you sick of it? Everyday you get up and you come in and come on and get up and your belly ____ ____ and you go right back to the grave. Are you sick and tired of the repetition? That's what happens now folks. There's enough milk to get you the same way all the way all down through all the ages. And you'll have to follow that line, this blood line and this water line, and this spirit line, you have to follow it all the way from the creation of the world on down. And if you get out of harmony, then you've had it. Now let me explain this, let me get this one over to you. Can't nobody do that but Yahweh, me as a man I can not do it. I don't have sense enough. I'm not fooling with you, so you can get straightened up too. Alright. Now what we are saying, using this ____ ____ ____ ____ about Pharaoh being overthrown in the Red Sea. You don't have to believe that in the Book in order to find out and know about it, we know it's repetition. It's got to be repeated. Now look here. If Pharaoh's overthrown in the Red Sea. Now Yahshua when He was born or come through the loins of the woman He had to come down into Egypt. He can not go out of Egypt until somebody's dead. It just can't be. See that now? Judas? Well I'll tell you, who, who died up here first. Who died up there?
Student Body: Herod.
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Dr. Kinley: Herod. Herod that sought that young child's life. He had to die, and he couldn't live. Now here's the point. He had to die and bury, just like he was buried in the Red Sea there. Judas playing the same role, he had to die and he had to be buried here. Then here come the Messiah. He can't get away from it, on account of this man here, first Adam, he was buried, so He has to do that too, but the difference is He resurrected from the dead and the other fellow didn't, Judas didn't. Here's what I'm saying. The scriptures can not be broken. Now we can look back here and see that Pharaoh being overthrown in the Red Sea and Judas playing that role here that Pharaoh played, then Judas has got to go out and then kill himself and he's got to be buried. Now Judas sold Him out, sold the Messiah for 30 pieces of silver. ____ ____ ____ ____, cause he had one of them things. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Like to throw this out too now. Yes they did. I just go ahead on down.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: And yet it was a trip down here too. I mean I made it. You was with me, Mary and.., most of you was with me right down here. And look, just like Moses told Pharaoh down there what was gonna happen to him. Did we tell Sadat and them boys what's gonna happen. We went up to Hussein in Jordan and told him the same thing, went on to Israel and told them the same thing up there in Israel. And we told one.., we told Sadat here just what we was gonna tell King Hussein, and we told King Hussein what we gonna tell Golda Meir and them up there. Is that right? Is that what we, is that we told 'em?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now look folks, now you're talking about repetition they can't learn nothing, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now I'm looking right at this pattern, that's why I was talking about, that when I told them what I said to 'em. Now here it is they can't learn. Pharaoh done tried it. They tried it in 1948. They tried it in 1967. They tried it in '62. They just can't make the grade, just can't learn it. Now here you are. You come to school. And we don't want you to be down here ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Right? Now we just read that which may be known of Yahweh, Yahweh has manifested or showed it to them, for the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made even his eternal power and Godhead or supernal nature, so that there won't be no excuse. I used to wonder to myself. When I was a preacher in the Church of God, I used to wonder to myself, 'why is it that we're just a ____ be all split up in some many denominations and all like that.' Looked like to me that God has appointed a day (I'm talking about Acts of Apostles now) God has appointed a day when He shall judge the world in righteousness by that man whom He hath ordained. It would seem to me that there oughta be something in that Bible to put us together some kinda way or another, but it.., we just wasn't doing no good. And for 2 years of my life that's the way I was. ____ ____. I couldn't see it. And finally Yahweh revealed it to me. And that's what I have been trying to tell you. And this year which we have come down so close to it and I've
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tried my best to warn you and in fact you hear me say awhile ago I am not particularly concerned about the grave. And if I had my way about it I'd be out in the cemetery by now cause I have a desire to depart and be with Yahweh, with God which is far better than this. That's right. When you got the real genuine thing, you don't wanna set around here fooling with all this junk and stuff. That's what the Apostle Paul said, he said I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall be revealed in us. And he knew that there was a crown laid up in him which Yahweh Elohim, that righteous spirit shall give him of that day. And not only him but all of those in the Holy Spirit.
Now then, another thing he said there too. I'm preaching a funeral by one time, it was an, an emergency thing. Just real quick, I don't have time to get me no text and ____ ____. I had to run on out there and I had to grab the Bible, find me something in there. I knew a whole lot of text but I ____ ____ ____ ____. So I had read it, ____ ____ sit there in the kitchen I Corinthians we can invite you to read Corinthians, I'm talking about when Jehovah said by man come forth with, Lazarus raised from the tomb, ____ away then the man dies and gives up the ghost ____ ____ ____ ____ but had to grab myself up a text, ____ and this was the text, if in this life only we have hope in Yahshua the Messiah, whom the world calls Jesus Christ, then we are of all men most miserable. Now you think of yourself in your situation and in your position. If you had, you don't have no, majority of you don't have, I didn't say nothing about ____ ____. I'm pretty sure that the majority of you don't have no great big expensive bank account, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)penthouse out there on the hill somewhere overlooking the ocean, have a Rolls Royce in the garage. You don't have all these things, in other words this world's good then you're a failure. And if in this life only if you have hope in Yahshua now you are miserable wreck. This next one is coming up, Immortality Age. That's what you're supposed to have the hope in. That's what we are waiting for.
Now Dr. Harris, I want you to read one more verse for me. And that's Isaiah 28:9 and 10. And you pay attention. Now remember what I ____, I showed you there that from the creation of the world you got 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. Same thing here: pure spirit - that's one, incorporeal body - two, physical body that's three. You see that now? You got blood on the altar, water here, the spirit here, into the Holy Place, through the veil in the Most Holy Place. 1, 2, 3. And you use it all the way through.., from garden here? I'm saying it so you can see what I'm talking about, use it all the way right straight on down. Now folks, I've got some news for you. He Himself is the Sanctorium of Sanctoriums, Yahshua the Messiah. When John was out on the Isle of Patmos, let me put it this way, this is a brass vessel, that's a brazen altar, and this is a brass one here, that's the brazen laver, and then you enter into the door, and you got the gold in here. And then you go through this veil here and into the Most Holy and that's covered with gold. Now His feet was as burnished brass, now He said He walked in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks, with the seven stars in His right hand. Is that right? ____ ____ ____. And He had on garments and girded about the paps and that was golden. And on down that was golden, just like these vessels out here was brass, these in here are gold, that's what that's all about. That means that He's the Sanctuary, He's the body. Now that's what you're gonna have to use, there's
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no way out of it, He's the archetype or original pattern of the universe. There just ain't no way out of it. Now here's the thing that's happened. The devil has come along and told us all kinds of barefaced lies, like this: Lord, God, Jesus Christ. And if you just used a little horse sense, you could see that if Lord was the name of the Father, then the Word or Son it ought to be, have some relationship, and this oughta be similar, ____ ____ ____ none of these names. Now somebody would come along and call you out of your name, I mean of your parental name that you inherited from birth, that wouldn't set too well, would it. That's what you think of that. Read Dr. Harris.
Reader: Whom shall He teach knowledge,
Dr. Kinley: Now, now listen here. Whom shall He teach knowledge? Whom Yahweh gonna teach knowledge? Knowledge and wisdom shall be the stability of the time, now who's He gonna teach knowledge. Alright read.
Reader: And whom shall he make to understand doctrine.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. Yahshua the Messiah had ____ ____ ____, doesn't even make sense. Now who's He gonna make to understand doctrine? Read.
Reader: Them that are weaned from the milk.
Dr. Kinley: Now, you have to get off that milk. You have to put the bottle down. Put the bottle down. (STUDENT BODY AND DR. KINLEY LAUGH) ____ ____ ____ there in the 5th chapter of Hebrews Paul said there of the Jews who were supposed to have knowledge and understanding, he said when the time come that they should be capable of teaching somebody else they had need of somebody to give them some more milk. They wasn't weaned. Alright, read on.
Reader: Them that are weaned from the milk and drawn
Dr. Kinley: Now weaned from the milk and drawn from the breast, you have to grow up here sometime. Read on.
Reader: for precept must be upon precept.
Dr. Kinley: Now this is what we're talking about: this blood line must be on this blood line. This water line must be on this water line. And I'm talking the pattern all the way through these, the dispensation of time on through here, clear on back into the beginning, back to ____ ____ ____. Now you have to come up, come on above that verse. You have to get weaned someway or another. You have to eat some meat. You have to quit crawling around on the floor, stand up and be a man sometime or another. Now look, folks, now I tried to do this. This was night when they ate that passover down there in Egypt and by slaying that Lamb down there, now pay attention to what I'm saying, if it's dark down there and if Yahshua the Messiah is the Lamb as John said He was, that, takes away the sins of the world, when He's crucified out there, you got to have the same conditions right
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there, it's got to turn dark over the face of the earth from the 6th to the 9th hour. It's just got to do that. He can't run out the garden and ____ to the light ____ this morning, he has to wait until the sun come down, that's not in the Outer Court. It was raining here, the sun was obscured by the clouds. Down in Egypt, dark. Can't bring a lamb or any sacrifice until it's dark. It's dark here, dark here, dark there. Put Him in Joseph's new tomb. Here that, that night of the passover. It didn't come of effect until the Day of Pentecost and He washed the disciples feet, that's the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. See that. Now whom shall he teach doctrine, them that can ____ ____ draw this line upon this line, blood line, there's the water line and there's the spirit line. And here's your assembly line, and here's the vail of the flesh and then you go on in here, and then you go on into the Most Holy Place, where the ____ ____ or the ____ itself. Now that's what you have to do. Now here's where, here's where you have to start from. You have to start with Him and hold Him all the way through there, all the way through, all the way through. Look at them charts, and you'll find every last one of them, that's on there the same way. Now look, that's Yahweh teaching you knowledge. And I've already done told you and told plain and you know I told you the truth. The Pope can't do that. Orthodox Judaism can't do that. Now then this is what they do. Now so far as these charts. John comes and he's baptizing in the River Jordan, they had to confess their sins. Now you pay attention to what I'm saying. They had.., now this is before, three and a half (3 1/2) years before He died. That baptism they went to, I mean be ____ ____, I don't mean sprinkle either, I'm talking about burying Him by baptism. The 6th chapter Romans Dr. Harris. I wanna let you know that this, this is the way in the Bible. 6th chapter of Romans.
Reader: What shall we say then,
Dr. Kinley: What shall we say then. He's talking about the Jews, you have to go back up in the 5th chapter but we ain't got time.
Reader: Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound,
Dr. Kinley: Shall we continue in sin, He's talking about the Jews, that grace may abound.
Reader: by no means.
Dr. Kinley: by no means.
Reader: how shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein.
Dr. Kinley: how shall we that are dead, can't live any longer therein.
Reader: Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: That was baptized in Yahshua the Messiah
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Reader: were baptized into His death.
Dr. Kinley: Now John had to baptize them in this water before He died, in order to baptize them in His death. And I would like for you gentiles to get this straight. There wasn't any gentiles in it. And I wanna let you know this too. There wasn't any Christians baptized. No gentiles, not the first. Didn't baptize nobody but the Jews. How are you gonna find out about that? None of the ____ there wasn't nobody but Jews come up out of Egypt. There wasn't nobody but Jews gathered up around the mountain when He made the covenant with 'em so the Book says. Now look how easy it's been for the devil to come along and fool you: 'If Jesus was baptized, was good enough for him, good enough for me.' You don't hardly ____ by the Book. There isn't anybody in this room that hasn't been baptized. Adam was baptized in mother earth in its formation, there's a child or fetus in the womb that's in a bag of water with the ____ over. That child is immersed in water there in its' mothers womb, just like Adam was, when he come from mother earth back here. Everybody. 'Me?' Yes, you. Said, 'well I had a cesarean operation.' Now look, now follow me now, follow me. Now look here, you see this, here's the body, and here it's coming on down, up here too, it's all been true, it comes on down to you. Now listen folks, now before that child is born, that water has to break, then there's gonna be a show of blood, moves on out of the way. Now there's a doctor setting up here. Dr. Harris, I'm talking about. I asked him to give a lecture on childbirth when he first come in the school and he couldn't understand why at that time, I asked him to do a thing like that. Sure people religious ____, but now as he got through it, I got back up and I'll tell you. Well then he understood it. He said ____ ____. Everybody. Now Yahweh has fixed it this way so we don't have no excuse. And you have to put that line upon that line in there, line upon line, precept upon precept and you have to do it all the way on the Godhead clear on back into the Garden of Eden. That's the way it has to be. And you can't find Roman Catholics and Protestants and Jews to do that. I couldn't do it so don't go give me no praise for it, if Yahweh hadn't revealed it to me I'd be just like any other man. I don't have a thing to boast about. Freddy if you'd read what I'm taught and make some examinations of it, find out for yourself,
Freddy Allen Jr.: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You did better than I did because I didn't have nobody to show me nothing but Yahweh, if Yahweh hadn't showed me I wouldn't have known. I couldn't manifest these like this. And listen there ain't a thing you can do about it. Now they was baptized into His death, three and a half (3 1/2) years before He died. How here's what I wanna get over to you: if John baptized them before He died, and didn't baptize nobody but Jews (now listen to what I'm gonna say) now wouldn't it be stupid in Yahshua the Messiah to die out here on the cross if water baptism washed away their sins and this river Jordan come on down from the Sea of Galilee or the Sea of Nazareth, and entered into the Salt Sea or the Dead Sea, if that be true and water washed away sin, baptism should have been in the Dead Sea. Is that right? Water down wash away sin, then here's Yahshua dying on the cross for their sins and the water wash... Now that's stupid for Him dying out there like that. You have to admit that. Say listen, that's the only sacrifice that
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Yahweh ever had to remove anybody's sin. The blood of bulls and goats, and heifers and turtle doves, nothing like that never did, and water never washed away nobody's sin. If you had a little soap, a little detergent, it don't, it don't touch the conscience, that's what I'm talking about. You have to have something to touch the conscience there. So now, the Book says, 'truly, if we walk in the light, if we walk in the light and He is in the light we have fellowship one with the other and the water
Student Body: NO.
Dr. Kinley: washed away.
Student Body: NO.
Dr. Kinley: We need straightening
Reader: I John 1:7, but if we walk in the light, as He is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Yahshua the Messiah His Son cleanses us from all sin.
Dr. Kinley: Now see if this other passage you're gonna read something like those in Revelations 1:3. It's gonna read something like this.
Reader: Revelation 1:6. And from Yahshua the Messiah who is the faithful witness and the first begotten of the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth, unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood.
Dr. Kinley: Now you can see that, that water didn't wash away nothing. Now look, boys, the pattern dictates this, don't you see the blood down here in Egypt, don't you see the blood out here going to dip in the blood, sacrifice and then into the water. Don't you see that? Then.., can't you see. There's got to be a death here, got to be some blood and without the shedding of blood (as Hebrews said) without the shedding of blood there's no remission of sin. He had to die. If water had washed it away as they're trying to tell us, as the preacher sitting here in this pulpit will say ____ of most of 'em: it ain't ____, they come professing Christ too, tell you water baptism wash away your filthy sin. Well then if that be the case what about this, came sin when a baby in sin did his mother conceive him and they were born in sin and shaped in iniquity. 'Don't you go putting that stuff on us over here now.' No don't anybody like that. Paul says, then, your children, now they are clean. That's the 2nd chapter of...
Reader: I Corinthians.
Dr. Kinley: I Corinthians. Now I've said enough. Is there any questions? Now I've brought a bunch of books down here. I'd like for you to take this book right here, Jehovah Witness and get that name Jehovah there. Now while you find that, ____ and I wanna show you what they say and its a disgrace too. Now that's their book. Get over there and read. See what I'm telling. That's right. That's the
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reason them books.
Reader: Copyright 1969, 1971 by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.
Dr. Kinley: Now read.
Reader: Jehovah the personal name of God. Isaiah 42:8, Isaiah 54:5, though scripturally designated by such descriptive titles as god, lord, creator, father, the Almighty, the Most High and others, his personality and attributes, who and what he is are fully summoned up and expressed only in this personal name. The correct, pronunciation of the divine name. Jehovah is the best known english pronunciation of the divine name. Although Yahweh is favored by most Hebrew scholars.
Dr. Kinley: Now that's a disgrace. You know that. That's a disgrace. Now Yahshua the Messiah said Moses wrote of Him. Moses wrote Yahweh. Now he said Jehovah is the english translation. No, it is not. Yahweh is the translation, that's english translation. That's the english translation. Now its a disgrace to say anything like that. Read a little further there, Doc.
Reader: The oldest hebrew manuscripts presents the name in the form of 4 consonants commonly called the tetragrammaton, from Greek tetra meaning 4 and gramma letter. These 4 letters written from right to left are (it gives the hebrew) and may be transliterated into the english as Y H W H.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that, you deny it, then turn around and said they translated it in english. Now wouldn't that bust up. Now that's down right unapologetic stupidity. There's no excuse for nothing like that. And as stupid as I am I know better than that. Alright read on Doc.
Reader: The hebrew consonants of the name are therefore known. The question is
Dr. Kinley: Now this is a question with them.
Reader: as to which vowels are to be combined with those consonants. Vowel points did not come into use in hebrew until the second half of the 1st millennium, Christian Era.
Dr. Kinley: See that now. That ____ which is the first vowel to use. A E I O U. Is that right? That's the vowels. Now keep close cause we're gonna need vowels in this Y H W H to use. And don't know which one to use. Now that's just down right stupid. Now here's the reason, now he's gonna say Jehovah. JEHOVAH. Right? Now you got the E here and you got the A over here. Now you got the woman before the man. Now if you put the A where it belongs as in Adam, and the E being Eve. Put the A for Adam put it right here, because the man was formed first, then take the Eve and put it in right here, the E here, and that's the
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vowels. Now he don't know which way to use it. And we do, because we know the man was created first, then the woman was created in the man. See how smart we are. Now lets take some, some, some more. Now you got Adam and Eve. Now the woman was in the man. E W E. What's that spell?
TAPE 2 SIDE 1
Student Body: Ewe.
Dr. Kinley: What is a ewe?
Student Body: A female lamb.
Dr. Kinley: That's a female lamb, F E M A L E L A M B. That's a female lamb.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now that female lamb was in this man here.
Student Body: Right
Dr. Kinley: Formed there. And Yahweh called their name A D A M. And the woman was taken out of the man. You see how smart we are? We don't get caught up on no mess like that. Now that's, now that's perfectly clear. Then you got the nerve, I'll tell you the truth that was just the other day when the man speaking, Dr. Durham from the Bible Institute. I told him, he said now Dr. Kinley, I tried to tell you something about the truth. He said, 'no I'm not going to feel good tonight.' He said, 'Jehovah God that's what we lecture. We are here to tell you the truth.' I said well if you say you are here to tell us the truth, demonstrate it. He said, 'I see you got quite an extensive library there too. And I said yes we got.., they seen some of their books in there too. They knew, I had 'em, so I said, ____ ____, just say that. You just read it. Now at, at the reading that the Hebrews use. Read it again Doc.
Reader: Jehovah is the best known english. pronunciation of the divine name.
Dr. Kinley: See that.
Reader: Although Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: I wouldn't write nothing like that. I would be ashamed to go in front of intelligent people and stand and tell them a bare face lie like that, that they could look up in any book. I got a whole gang of books there, recently written too. How, how would you look going up in somebody's and telling Jehovah's the english pronunciation when the.., that's the english pronunciation up there Yahweh. Anybody can find out about that. I wouldn't disgrace myself running around telling people a lie like that. And the looking like he's telling you something about the truth. That's disgusting. And once he found out. He says I have searched out.
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People are not talking like that. Yeah you better.
Well now time is short. We have just about a minute or two before it's time to go home. Does anybody got any questions? Come on now you oughta have some. Well this sure is wonderful that I can.., so that I... explain everything so satisfactorily that everybody don't have no question to ask. I know when Yahweh showed me the vision all I had was a great big ____, saw the whole thing too. I saw. And then He had to knock me out again and then show it to me again. Now.., and then I understood, but I want to tell you something folks. If ever you get it, get in your heart and your mind the way that I pictured and illustrated around here this here. If you do you couldn't pay me if you wanted to. Yes indeed. You know I tell you I think...
You ring the bell on me.
I'll tell you something about 36. After I had that vision in '31. In 36 I went to Cincinnati. I lived in Springfield and I went to Cincinnati. And this is what I saw definitely. ____ ____ ____ ____. And I just wanted to keep my mouth shut. And I was doing alright until Sister Harris commence, but I would go back to Springfield. And when I went back to Springfield, Dr. Gross, Dr. Gross and Dr. Barbie and all the rest of them they went home and sit down. What's the matter with you all? She said, 'well, there ain't no where for us to go, there ain't but a handful of us.' Said, 'there just ain't nowhere to go, you just can't go back into that stuff out there no more.' The other day when he tried to tell them what the school was he came out of that he couldn't go back in that school ____ ____, 'Oh yes you ain't gonna catch me repeating that stuff. You folks can't fool me.' ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ we said yes we did. You better come up here. He'll come.., I'll come up here. He knows better than to come up here ____ ____. All he has to do is an apology to be friends. Now I'm telling you something, all you gotta do to be friends. Say, 'you know I know Kinley.' He ain't coming up here. So he says I'm going to prove it to you. You gonna come, he has time to make ____ 3 or 4 time you know and set up there 3 or 4 times. Same lies. He invites me up. All of East Springfield come with me. ____ ____ ____ ____. And for about a minute, it seemed difficult. There was nothing else I could do with it. And we were supposed to have 15 minutes a piece. He and his wife and all, they were against me. So when I got down and told them just like I showed you these particulars this same way. Showed on the veil on figure somebody else want to have something to say. Now they met last night so I just ____ ____. A debate. They wouldn't it. Let me tell you something folks. These preachers out here, they know the true names. And they'll tell you to your face that they do. And if you're wise, just like I just read to you had read to you out of this book. They tell on their ownselves. They said that the hebrew pronunciation of it was Yahweh. Is that what they said ____. Now that's Jehovah's Witnesses own book. Now look, look here, let me show you this. Yahshua said Moses wrote of me. Now later on right out here in Greek. Now that set, that sets the ____ to preaching. Now if you take this Y H W H and put the diacritical marks in it, then you have the correct pronunciation of the... Is that right, David?
David Rosen: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: Do you see that now? Folks, the best thing to do is.., now the reason why I'm saying this to you time is so short. This age here from the creation the Garden of Eden down here just called an age was 1656 years. And Yahweh closed that age. And from there down to the crucifixion and the out pouring of the Holy Spirit that's another age. 23... Now this one was a short, 1656. An age is approximately 2000 years long, but 1656 that's less than 2000. that's not quite 2000. Now this one is over. This is a long one. 2377. Then as Yahshua said in the 24th chapter of Matthew then this age here that we're in now. This has got to be a short one, because if it was not shortened.., is that what it says there the 24th chapter of Matthew read it somebody. Now if it was not short than there wouldn't be no flesh saved. Now you could look all over the world and see the shape we're in now. And we can get these people, we can not get these people to use them right names. Even the Jews themselves that know that the names are that way. They won't use them. You know what they call Yahweh, they know Yahweh's the correct name, call him Adonai. You know what they call Yahshua. Yeshua. And know that it's Yahshua. Now that to prove that to you, A. B, Traina wrote these books. Those of you that have, I need to tell you this and every once in a while we will tell you to do this, remind these people to read the preface in your Holy Name Bible. And it might do 'em a whole lot of good on where these names in all are coming from what is the correct name. Now as you found over here and Yahshua the Messiah, John, you got your finger on it, just go ahead and read.
Reader: Matthew, 24th chapter?
Dr. Kinley: About was He said there, it's in John. Where He said that Moses wrote of Him.
Reader: 47, John 5:43.
Dr. Kinley: Yes, John 5:43. Now listen folks. Now pay attention to me this trip. Now Yahshua the Messiah, is the Savior that was back there with Moses, said this. Said Moses wrote of me. Now then in Luke He begin with Moses. Why did He begin with Moses? Why didn't He begin with somebody else? Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob or Enoch or somebody else back there. Well, why didn't He? Because they didn't write anything of Him. So why didn't they write anything about Him? Well, here's the reason why they didn't write anything about him. You have to come on back here. He had to come back here. He never showed it to nobody else. No, He didn't. If He had showed it to some of the rest of them, then some of the rest of them could have written. Now that's why He begin with Moses. And then to the rest of the prophecy. Is that right? And listen folks, it was, you think about this. Now from the Garden of Eden down 1656 years here, nobody back there actually knew His name. And come on down about 857 after the flood and then He reveals His name to Moses. Now then there's still a whole age gone, and here's 857 years after the flood when He reveals His name to Moses. They knew Him as El Shaddai back here, which means Almighty Provider. What He did He provided a heaven and earth, provided everything. All the necessary provisions was made. To carry out His purpose and His plan. And now if that be the case, now then Moses was the one that He revealed the name to. So it was Moses that
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wrote of Him. Now they're talking about the Hebrews. Well Moses was the only man who could write. Then why you run out to the Greek ____ for? You get what I'm talking about. The whole thing was revealed to the Jews. Then why run out to the Greeks. You see people, the devil is gonna do anything he can do to get you to believe some kinda way or another. You see that now. He's gonna do that. Then here's another one. Here's, here's a tough one. You know I try to bring it in hard to you. Look, back over here in Genesis. You got Yahweh wrote all back over there in Genesis. Is that right? Moses name is not in the Genesis. You couldn't even prove that you didn't know as we knew. You couldn't even prove that Moses wrote the Genesis. Now how you gonna prove that he wrote it. Well there's a caption up there on the top of the page says the first book of Moses commonly called the Genesis. That don't prove nothing. Now here's how you prove it, that Moses wrote it. Since you have Yahweh all back here in the Genesis. Nobody else but Moses knew anything about what His name was. Now that's a dead give away right there. How about that. See how smart we are down here. You say, 'well if Moses was the only one that knew anything on how the name get back over here in Genesis. Evidently Adam must have known something about it. So then what are you going to do, argue with Yahweh. He said in Exodus they didn't know His name. Now you want to dispute with Him? You see the point. Every time you turn we got your water on. And it's called ____. We do know what we are talking about. And we don't have no apologies to make for telling you the truth. And you must abide by it too. I'll put it this way. Yahshua the Messiah, He said, now listen to what I'm saying, He said, when He come through the loins, He said He come to fulfill. Protestantism and Roman Catholicism and Judaism and all the things they say He come to institute. Institute what? Christian water baptism. Christian foot washing or hard shell Baptist, primitive Baptist. And instituted the Lord's Supper. No such a thing. Now you disputing Him, He said He come to fulfill when He come through the loins of the woman. They say, He come to institute. Now you can't be saved on nothing like that. Running around arguing what's the faith, telling the ____ ____ what he's talking about. You don't know why He did these things. (BELL RINGS) Thank you. He washed disciples feet. And they said foot washings, you see foot washings was back there under the law. Just as stupid as they can be. Moses took Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu to the laver and washed them. Is that what is in the Book? And put the garments on them and anointed them with oil. Before they could officiate in that sanctuary. Moses was in there ____ walk in ____ service. Don't you see he's got to put some water in the basin after the cup of the blood. I mean after take water and wash their feet back here. He is the Word. So that is the washing of regeneration by the Word. He told them, if I don't wash you, you can't be clean. Is that right? There's no part of it. Now I hope you got something out of this. Now why don't you just do this. All these questions that you have all your life, why don't you bring 'em on up here. Tie somebody up and mess somebody all up. And if you don't think you can do it bring your pastor. Bring 'em packing down. You don't have to worry about me giving him an opportunity, we'll give him an opportunity, won't we folks.
Student Body: Yes, we will.
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Dr. Kinley: Yes indeed. And more than likely he won't be back, cause we definitely will give him an opportunity, and we'd.., I'd set him straight about it. He just can't do that. Put it line upon line, precept upon precept. Hold that blood line, water line and go by that pattern. And through all 'em. Godhead on down or from the supernal nature on down through the dispensations and ages and on back to it that way. There ain't a man in the world that can do it except Yahweh be within him. Now I'm just giving it to you straight. And this, and this I want you to know too. He didn't have a whole lotta people to go out and preach the gospel. He only had 12 men to evangelize the world. We got more than that right here in one, almost on this street. But they just don't know what they're talking about. Downtown today and a man down there, 'yah, yah, yah, yah, yah, yah, yah, yah, hey brother.' Every time we went down there ____, he's over down there, proselyting ____ ____ ____ somewhere or down ____. And that's the way you all, try to get somebody and keep the thing going the best you can. The paster (pastor?), he has to work so he can make his car payments and pay for his car and all the time... That's not what it's all about. And then he's got to try to build it up some kinda way. Now you may not like what I have said here, but I have told you the truth. And then somebody out there and say that he thinks he's so smart. No I don't, I know it.
(STUDENT BODY CLAPS)
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
December 4, 1974
Los Angeles, California
recorded by Edna Law
1 90 minute and 1 60 audio cassette
CATTLOG #: 74.1204
Transcribed by Sandra Giragosian
proofread by Geraldine Rothstein and Susan Ameigh and Michael Rothstein
proofread and approved by International Public Relations Committee - 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
SCRIPTURE READING: ROMANS 10
TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Moderator: The Founder of our school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I really enjoyed the testimony of our brother that came down from South America and I'm sure that he has found out that everywhere you go, you'll find there is much stupidity and colossal ignorance anywhere you go, it doesn't make a difference, they don't have no idea no knowledge of what it's all about. Now as you know this Wednesday night we try to teach and we leave some room for questions to be asked. And I'd like to say this, too, that in the beginning of this school, in its infancy, you couldn't hardly get up and preach a sermon for somebody interrupting, wanting to ask a question. And then somebody else had another question to ask off of it, the same subject
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that the other person asked. And when you got through with it, why you didn't get anywhere. So for that reason, we just stopped it. And, of course, there is another reason, too, which they found out later, that if you just keep your seat, set still, set tight, pay attention, give us your undivided attention, your questions will be answered. You won't have to seek advantage of an opportunity to ask, but they will definitely be answered. Now I won't say that you will accept everything, and we don't really advise you to. If you just don't understand what we're talking about, just say so. That's what we're down here for is to learn.
And I just wanna say something else, too. Everywhere this school exists, doesn't make any difference where it is, in or out of the United States, they all teach the same thing. Now how about that? You can't find that in none of the rest of them: Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Orthodox Judaism, or no other kind of isms or knowledge. You just can't find it.
Now folks, the critical thing is this, we have had people in the world, such as are called atheists, agnostics, infidels, and quite a few of those haven't been able to get their questions answered. And I do remember, a ____ in Tennessee, I believe it was, Clarence Darrow, with the evolution, theory of evolution. And they had quite a round about it; and William Jennings Bryant was the one that was on the Lord's side at that time, and Clarence Darrow just made a fool out of him. Now he.., the way that Clarence Darrow did, now he was a lawyer, Clarence Darrow was, and William Jennings Bryant was supposed to be a, a, a well-read Bible student and theologian, but there were so many questions that he couldn't answer. And you have the same identical problems today that it's embarrassing for a lot of people to ask out in public, but they just don't believe. Now I'm gonna tell you right straight and flat out, so that you can understand what I am talking about. Until you get some knowledge of the truth, there's nothing else for you to be but an agnostic. That's what you was when you come to school - agnostic. Somebody say, 'Oh, no, I belonged to the...' I said you was an agnostic. That's just terrible. Now do you know what an agnostic is? Well, somebody that knows what an agnostic is, let him tell us what an agnostic is.
Dr Harris: One that so-called believes in God, but has no way of proving it.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now that's what an agnostic is; now that's condensed. Now that's really the etymology and the essence of it. He believes that there is a god or a supreme deity, but he, his contention is there's no way to prove it. Well, that means this, there's no way to reconcile one another, because they just don't know.
Now Billy Graham says this. He said he believes that there, there was a God, but couldn't nobody prove that.., anything at all about Him, but you just believe. Now that makes Billy Graham an agnostic. He calls himself a Baptist; but he's an agnostic. And he ought not to be out there teaching, trying to teach anybody anything until he admits that he don't know. And he's too stupid, after admitting that he don't know, to go somewhere and sit down. Now that sounds bad; I know it does. Such a world-famous evangelist, crusading for Christ, and he has other
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joint sessions all every whichaway.
And that brings me to Sun Yet (Yung?) Moon. He's a Korean evangelist. He is come over here now; and he was in Seattle, Washington. And he had such a crowd, great big crowds like Billy Graham has, in Seattle, Washington. Well the crowds came. But he had those people to think that, or tried to persuade them to think that he was Christ. And they didn't like that. So they went there, and you might say they run him out of town.
Then we have another one, that I understand now he is going to be here. He is supposed to be the lord of the universe. Seventeen years old. A Rajah
Dr. Harris: Maharajah
Dr. Kinley: Arajah Ja1, something like that. Raja jive talk and all of that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now folks, listen, this is a serious thing and you have come right down to the very last few prophetic seconds of this probationary period. Now you need to know something definite, something positive, something basic, something fundamental, something concrete, something irrefutable, something undeniable. You need to know how it works in the dispensations and ages. I want to say this, too: with a profound knowledge of this, Yahweh and His eternal purpose, that's what I'm talking about, through the dispensations and ages, oftentimes you'll find people that are self-conceited and they want to be looked up to, they want to be smart, want to be respected. And he's all puffed up in his carnal mind and thinks, stupid enough to think that unless they endorse what you're teaching, why, it doesn't amount to anything. They're just stupid like that. As though the world would pay some attention to them. They didn't actually pay any attention to the Savior.
But now in this school, what we have done, we've tried to get down to brass tacks with you, teach you something for sure, no foolishness. And when you learn what we are teaching down here, there is no way out of it. And there is nothing nowhere better in the world.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now you can believe that or not. There just isn't anything any better anywhere in the world! Now there are some here that know that, that belong to this school. They know that; they're sure of it. Now somebody might think that I'm up here just inflating my ego. No. I'm talking about a profound knowledge of it. If ever you learn what it's all about, learn the basics and the fundamentals of it, you're finished. As Bishop Short says, you have come to the end of the line. This is it.
Now there's a way to go into the Bible to understand something about it, so that you can see the reality of it. And it doesn't mean now, I want you to pay attention
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to everything I say now, because to me, I don't feel too good in the first place, and it's for your sakes that I labor to try to impart some understanding. And it's not because I think I'm so smart, either. I want you, I want you to get that understood. But I do know that I'm as smart as you make 'em. I don't want you to overlook that. Now, I didn't mean to say that by the way of boasting in myself; I didn't mean that that way. But this is the way I did mean; now this is the way I meant it: Yahweh himself caught me up into the third heaven just like He did Moses and the rest of the prophets, and showed me His purpose and His plan through the dispensations and ages. Now that's why I said that. And if He had not done that, I wouldn't have known no more about it than nobody else.
Now, what we have on these charts around here and in your Bible and what we teach around here, there's 43 years there haven't been nobody that's been able to successfully dispute and refute. They just don't live. They're not living; and they are not dead. They can't do that. But there is a way that you can put this thing together, I'm talking about your Bible. And this is something that's often overlooked. I'll bring it to your attention as of now. This book is sealed with seven seals; and the Lamb of Yahweh is the only one that was able to loose the seals and to open the book. Now that means that nobody on earth had any right to do any boasting around about that. Now heaven was searched; the earth was searched; and you wasn't overlooked, that's right, neither was Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, none, none, none, none of 'em was overlooked; but there was none of 'em that was able to open the book and loose the seals; in other words, there didn't any of 'em know the purpose of Yahweh, none of the angels in heaven, and none, none of, nothing, nothing on earth didn't know. Now how about that? Now you know good and well there must be something wrong. Something is wrong. You can't get out in no denomination, it doesn't make any difference what denomination it is, and find as many people as sitting in this building here agree together. You can't do that, among the rabbis, or among the others, you can't do that. They just don't recognize; they just don't realize.
Now we had the 10th chapter of Romans read, specifically for this purpose alone, that Yahweh dealt with the Jews first, in the Old Covenant, with the Hebrew people, Hebrew, Hebrew, Hebrew nation. Now there's no need for you to argue about that, Roger. And He revealed His secrets to whomsoever He willed, not whomsoever you choose. Now He raised Israel up. He chose them, so then Israel didn't choose Him, He chose them. Now pay attention. And then He revealed to that nation, those people, what His purpose and His plan was, in types and shadows. They didn't possess a realistic knowledge of Him until after Pentecost, or until Pentecost. It was hid from them, too.
Now there is a way to go about this to understand something about your Bible. Now you, you either go that way or else you just can't learn it. People have gone in the Bible, say, 'well, I'm gonna read the Bible. I'm gonna be good. I'm gonna join the church; and I'm going to do right; and I'm gonna start on my way to heaven tonight.'
I remember a fellow one time that got tired of that old Tabernacle sitting out here
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on Mount Sion, said, 'Here I am, I live in a house of cedar, and that old weather beaten Tabernacle setting out there on Mount Sion and the Lord has to dwell in it, or Yahweh has to dwell in that; and I'm setting up here all, in finery and all like a that.' And so he decided he'd build Him a house. So he sent for Nathan, the prophet, the prophet of Yahweh. Nathan, this is David now here, and so when Nathan gets over there, Nathan, he tells Nathan all about it, you know, on down. And Nathan said, 'Oh, that sure is wonderful. That's nice of you, David, to build Yahweh a house, for Him to dwell in.' Said, 'do all that's in your heart; to do, do everything that's in your heart. That sure is nice.'2 He went on back home, laid down, went to sleep and had a dream. And Yahweh said to Nathan, go right on back over there to David, and you tell David that He's not gonna let him build no house for Him. And when the house, when the house is builded for Him, he'll be sleeping, or he'll be dead and buried with his fathers. Tell David... To cut a long story up short, and just to show you, just like preachers out here now building churches. Ain't that something. Painted window glasses, building a house of God. That's wonderful, ain't it. There are a lot of stupid people, they been taking mortgages on their properties and get in head over heels in debt for the rest of their life to build somebody a.., to help some preacher build God a house; and then you open your Bible over there to the 17th chapter of Acts and find out that Yahweh don't dwell in no houses made by hands. (STUDENT BODY AND DR. KINLEY LAUGH) Ain't that something. He don't dwell in no houses made by hands.
But now, just for.., to get down to business. What we're, what we wanna talk about now is how you go in your Bible and show you how that it is done. Now, I'll be eighty years old my next birthday, if I live to see it, and Yahweh lets time go on, which I'm really not interested in living that long. But now pay attention to what I'm saying. What I'm fixing to do, I've never seen nobody do. What I'm fixing to tell you and show you, I've never seen nobody do it. And if there's anybody in this building that ever seen anybody do it, outside of those that are in this class, I want you to.., not only just stand up, I want you to come up here. We wanna look you over. But this, you have to do this, though.
Now, open your Bibles to Genesis 1:1. Read the caption at the top of the page.
Dr. Harris: The First Book of Moses, called Genesis.
Dr. Kinley: Now is that so?
Student Body: No. That's not the first book of Moses.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? Now some of them saying 'no' under their breath. Is that so?
Student Body: (LOUDER) No!
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Dr. Kinley: It is first compiled in that Book, but it is not the first book. Now here's another thing I want you to notice. I think it's about 50 chapters in Genesis. Now listen now, Moses's name is nowhere on it. I never seen nobody in my life, I don't know what you've seen, that was able to actually prove that Moses wrote the Genesis. How about that? Read the caption again.
Dr. Harris: The First Book of Moses, called Genesis.
Dr. Kinley: First Book of Moses, called Genesis. Now they just said that. They didn't, they wasn't trying to prove it. Now, Moses's name is not in the, the text or scripture. Now, look folks, if they are not able to prove whether Moses wrote it or not, that's just an assumption; then how are you going to prove the existence of Yahweh? How do you go about doing that? You remember what I told you Billy Graham said. Well, I want, I've got some news for you. Now Yahweh just didn't leave it up to you to be bothered with such a gigantic problem that, of proving His existence. He actually did not do that. He did it Himself. He proved His own existence. Now I could stand here tonight and tell you about some things that's just so simple; and when you understood, you would wonder how that you could ever lived as long as you've lived on this earth and seen what you have seen, and yet and still never perceive. Do you want me to just go ahead and tell you about it?
Student Body: Yes. Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Well, I will. Now there isn't anybody in here that has reached the age of maturity but what hasn't seen the sun rise some day in their life. And they saw a sunset. In other words, they see it rise; and it reaches its zenith, that is, it goes on and it reaches its zenith. Rises always in the east, never in the north, never in the south. Now somebody said, 'Prayer changes things.' You try praying now that it rise somewhere other than the east and see whether your prayer's answered. But it rises in the east and then it reaches its zenith, that's straight up, and then it goes down or it sets. Now everybody in this building has seen that, at one time or another in their life. But did it ever dawn on you the reason why that it does that, why Yahweh causes it to do that. Did you ever, did you ever stop and think why it was?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now you have in your Bible... I want you to read this, too. I want you to read the last verse of the 3rd chapter of Luke. You can read a couple of verses there, you know, trying to get straightened out. Now be quick, time is fleeing fast, and I'm trying to cover some ground and make somebody understand some things.
Dr. Harris: Which was the son of Methuselah,
Dr. Kinley: Which was the son of Methuselah,
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Dr. Harris: which was the son of Enoch,
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Enoch,
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Jared,
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Jared,
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Mahalelel,
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Mahalelel,
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Cainan,
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Cainan,
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Enos,
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Enos,
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Seth,
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Seth,
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Adam,
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Adam,
Dr. Harris: which was the son of Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Elohim, or, as people say, the son of God. Now it tells you that he was the son of Elohim. Now this is what I'm after, folks. Get Romans there 1:19 and 20. And we'll put this together real special, real sudden like.
Dr. Harris: Because that which may be known of Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: Go up above that, Doc, about the wrath of Yahweh.
Dr. Harris: For the wrath of Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: Where are you reading?
Dr. Harris: the 18th verse
Dr. Kinley: 18th verse.
Dr. Harris: For the wrath of Yahweh is
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Dr. Kinley: Now listen here folks. Now people haven't paid no attention to this. The wrath of Yahweh, the wrath of Yahweh, or the anger of Yahweh, is what?
Dr. Harris: is revealed...
Dr. Kinley: Now look. His anger is revealed. His love is revealed. Do you see what I'm talking about? And His anger is just as great as His love! You find a lot of, a lot of people always wanna talk about the love of God constraineth us, but they don't never think anything about the wrath of Yahweh. You follow what I mean? They don't think about that. But the wrath is revealed from heaven just the same as His love. But the wrath of Yahweh is revealed from heaven...
Dr. Harris: against all impiety
Dr. Kinley: against all impiety
Dr. Harris: and unrighteousness of men
Dr. Kinley: And, listen, unrighteousness of men. Now the wrath is revealed from heaven against all unrighteousness of men. Read on.
Dr. Harris: who hold the truth in unrighteousness
Dr. Kinley: Now, who hold the truth in unrighteousness. Now that brings up something that I should say. Now Dr. Harris and eleven of us, twelve of us altogether, Dr. Hobbs on one hand, we went to Rome. And Pontiff Grimillion (Gremillion?), Pope Paul's right-hand man, knows that Yahweh is the true name of our heavenly father, and he is around talking about the Lord God, and listen, has murdered millions upon top of millions of people that disagreed with them about any religious concept, killed six million Jews here in Germany during the Second World War. When the Pope says, 'You go; 'you're marked for death for resisting. Supposed to be the ruler, king and the ruler of the earth. But the wrath of Yahweh is revealed from heaven against them. They know that that's the right name; and they hold it in unrighteousness. And if you go and get a Jerusalem Bible, that's imprimatured and censored by the Roman Catholics, it's got that name Yahweh in it. But they won't come up to Yahshua. That's right. Now do you see that now?
The wrath of Yahweh is revealed from heaven: tornados, cyclones, earthquakes, hailstones, just everything, revealed from heaven against the unrighteousness of men, and particularly those who hold the truth in unrighteousness. Now, it would just make sense, now listen to what I'm saying. If a Roman Catholic was right, then he should possess the ability to prove that he is right. And then all the rest of Protestantism and Orthodox Judaism should fall by that, the weight of that one person. But now the only way that they have, and would read this verse, the wrath of Yahweh is revealed from heaven against the unrighteousness of all men, and particularly those that hold the truth in unrighteousness. Said, 'Well we're, we're the ones that hold the truth in righteousness, and then we execute.' What for?
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'ln the defense of the church. We're justified in putting you to death in order to defend the church. 'The Bible says the wrath of God is revealed from heaven. Did you get that interpretation? That's why they do it. How about that? Alright, read on, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Because that which may be known of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Because, now it's possible for you, for, for that, for, for you to know something about Yahweh. Now remember, don't forget now, I was talking about why the sun rose in the east and set in the west. Don't, don't forget that. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Because that which may be known of Yahweh is manifest in them;
Dr. Kinley: That which may be known of Yahweh is manifested right in you. Read.
Dr. Harris: for Yahweh hath shewed it unto them.
Dr. Kinley: for Yahweh has shewed it unto them. Now just a minute. Now that, it's right in you. Now Yahweh made a man in His own likeness and in His own image. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now the question is why did He do that. It was to abolish your excuse for not knowing Him as He, knowing Him as He is. You haven't got no excuse for not knowing Yahweh. Now that's what I was trying to tell you. He didn't leave it up to you to try to defend or defend the existence or try to prove His existence. He proved His own existence. You follow what I mean? Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: For the invisible things of him
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, listen. Yahweh is invisible. Angels are ministering spirits; they're invisible. Now the invisible things, the things that you cannot see with your eyes. Now we've got a cult now that says that they don't believe nothing that they can't see. Now he just said, 'I don't believe in Yahweh'. And now they're around trying to teach Yahweh. People are so stupid they don't even know when they are, that they are against their ownselves with their testimony. All right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: For the invisible things of him
Dr. Kinley: For the invisible things of Yahweh... Now I want you to get this one straight. I don't want you to stumble, blunder over this. Don't forget now, we went back there to Genesis, and we had the caption read: 'The First Book of Moses, called Genesis.' Don't forget that. Don't forget we have got the, we've got the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. Don't forget that. Now don't forget that it's possible for you to know something about it. And don't forget that Yahweh's proven His own existence. Now that's eliminating, abolishing some of your
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questions. When you understand, is that right? And I'll add this to it, too. It's Yahweh's responsibility to give you somebody that does know and it's you duty to listen at them, and if you don't, you're lost. Now I guess I can go sit down, can't I.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Okay. Now, the invisible things of Him. Now pay attention now. I want you to get this straight. Now we had you to read the first, the caption over in Genesis. Genesis means origin. The invisible things of Him from the creation of the world, or the creation of the universe, now they're clearly seen, look right at it. And we threw this in awhile ago, that man was made in the likeness and image of Elohim, in order to abolish your excuse to say, 'I don't know Him, cause I can't see Him.' He made you a physical man, so you could look at that man and see how He is. How 'bout that. I'll tell you, it's something else, isn't it? You're, you're, you're down home some here tonight. Now the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world, that's what you're reading, they are clearly seen. Just like somebody come along and say to you, 'Was the Messiah crucified and resurrected from the dead?' Don't you see the sun rising out there in the east? 'Did He ascend into heaven?' Don't you see, don't you see the sun reaching its zenith?
Somebody said 'No! It says over here in Matthew that the disciples come and stole Him away, He didn't resurrect from the dead.' Well, that sun in the ethereal heavens is correlated with that Son of Yahweh. Now if you can't go out there and steal that sun that rises in the east and sets in the west, you can't do nothing with that son that's buried in Joseph's new tomb. Just too hot to handle! And right there's where Yahweh abolished your excuse for that lie that's in the book about His disciples coming and stealing Him away. Do you follow that? How about that. So he said the son rose and it ascended, that is to say it ascended, reached its zenith, then it went down, and then it set, set down at the right hand of the Father in Heaven. How about that? Now, do you see why it does that now? I asked you a while ago if you ever seen anybody that said anything about anything like that before you come down here.
Student Body: No sir. No sir.
Dr. Kinley: How about that? And it's been out there through all these generations, ever since the fourth day of the creation. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Now how about that? And all the big shots with the PHD's and the Master of Arts, and the Bachelor of Arts, and all those degrees, and belonging to the Society of Jesus, and so forth and so on, all of the big potentates and the kings, and the smart boys, the eloquent orators, the master of words, yes indeed, the etymologists and the lexicographers (that means origin of words and the meaning of 'em) he's strutting around and yet and still they ain't never saw that. It happened all the days of his life, all his folk, all through all generations here. Right? How about that?
Now, you have 63 spinal nerves. Now you was reading over there in Matthew
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about the generations. Isn't that right? This one begat that one, and the other one begat that one, and the other one begat this one, and finally you got down to the, Adam, and he was the son of Elohim. Now, if you count them generations down, you'll find there's 63 of 'em. And you said, you read right there that it was right in.., you was made in the likeness and image of Yahweh, and it was in you, right in you, just had it all over you, all up in the sky, every which way. Somebody said 'Well look, you know, I just don't believe in the resurrection.' Well listen here, if that farmer didn't plant something out there,
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Dr. Kinley: then you'd be justified in saying that. And it didn't come up. The perpetuation and the continuation of seed yielding seed after its kind. Now how about that? Now this is getting down to business. She read tonight from the.., she was up here reading that book, she said faith comes by hearing. Now if faith is coming by hearing, you never heard nothing about it, so you say. Now how about that? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Now, that's your own story. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) You never heard a thing about it until you come to school down here, 1040.
And you go out and go back in this direction, I don't know too much about the other directions around here, and you'll find a church, almost.., sometimes two or three on them in one square. And they're in there just a preaching, 'Jesus, so and so and so' and ain't never heard nothing about why the sun rose in the east and set in the west, and didn't know that you have 63 spinal nerves coming out of there, don't know why that is. How about that? What do you think this is a mad house, Smart boys. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) They just want to stand around and argue and chew the rag with somebody. (LAUGHS) He's too, even too stupid to know that it is stupid. That's right. I'm not just saying that to be funny either. That's the way all of us would be if Yahweh didn't reveal it.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: You don't have nothing to do no boasting and blowing about and criticizing and laughing at somebody else. You're just as stupid as they made 'em, me too. So then let's give Yahweh a little credit for the thing.
For the invisible things of Him, look, from the creation of the universe, is clearly seen. You look right at one another; man is made in the likeness and image. Then you're stupid enough to say that Williams is the father, Rodney you're the son, and you're the holy ghost. Three individuals, separate and distinctive individual personalities in the godhead, and they try to squeeze Mary in, too. I'll tell you, it's serious.
Now folks, let me tell you something. We're right down to the close of this age, this prophetic second of this probationary period, that's a more correct way of saying it. And now here it is, we haven't learned why the sun rose in the east and set in the west.
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Now, you get to reading over there in the Bible about Adam committing a, a sin down there in the garden. And He sent forth His angels, listen, now listen now, pay attention. Remember, I done showed you something that you been seeing all your life and you didn't know nothing about. Yahweh waited 'til the cool of the day, He didn't drive them out right then, He waited 'til the cool of the day, when the sun was going down. Sun is going down. I mean the ethereal sun in the heavens was going down. And no sooner than that man put his hand, touched... Somebody said 'Well, it don't mean just as soon as he touched it; they had to eat it first.' Now he didn't eat a thing off of this Ark of the Covenant up here, and if he touched that he fell dead right there.
Student Body: All right! How about that?
Dr. Kinley: He told him not to touch it. And he did touch it; man touched it, right there where you found him dead. And then when they brought the Ark of the Covenant up in the ox cart and it hit a rut and the man, he didn't mean wrong, he was trying to protect the thing. But Yahweh said don't put your hand on it. There's a pope. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) How about that now, Roger?
Dr. Roger Jackson. All right.
Dr. Kinley: And he's carried around on the Sedia Gestatoria by vassals. And every diplomat that ever went to him, got hooked on him too, in years past and gone, met with a calamity, was destroyed. They don't tell you nothing about that. Tell you who they were; you insist, we'll go bring some books down and show you. But let's proceed on.
Now, the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen. That means you just don't have no excuse for not knowing in the first place. For Yahweh did what?
Dr. Harris: For Yahweh hath shewed it unto them.
Dr. Kinley: Now Yahweh shewed it unto to, to, to this.., these people back here, the Hebrew nation, not, not the Gentile nation. The Gentiles, ____ ____, but they didn't have a revelation. Now listen folks, listen, I want you to pay attention to what I'm saying. It will help, I mean do you a whole lot of good, too.
Now, look, I have, I have to have you to read a couple of verses. The 24th chapter of Exodus, and take the 1st and 2nd verses of it. Now look buster. Now, this is what I am trying to tell you, that every Tom, Dick, and Harry just can't be no, no preacher. He just can't be. Now I'm gonna show you the reason why. And that's one reason why I don't want too much sass from you. I don't want a whole lot of sass out of you; and if you try to sass me, I'll slap your sassy face. Yes sir. How about that? Yeah, we've had many a one down, I mean we've had it down good. Haven't we, Dr. Gross?
Dr. Gross: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: Haven't we, Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: Right!
Dr. Kinley: We took them just like they come, by their terms. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) We challenged the world. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: And he said unto Moses,
Dr. Kinley: Now he said, and he said unto Moses,
Dr. Harris: Come up unto Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: Come up unto Yahweh,
Dr. Harris: thou, and Aaron,
Dr. Kinley: thou, and Aaron,
Dr. Harris: Nadab, and Abihu,
Dr. Kinley: Nadab, and Abihu,
Dr. Harris: and seventy...
Dr. Kinley: Now this is what he's reading about. He's reading about this right here. Now this is what he's reading about. This is just, this actual picture to give you some kind of an idea, it's an illustrated picture. And he said. Who said? Unto...
Dr. Harris: Moses.
Dr. Kinley: Moses.
Dr. Harris: Come up unto Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: Now he said, come up unto Yahweh,
Dr. Harris: thou, and Aaron,
Dr. Kinley: thou, and Aaron,
Dr. Harris: Nadab, and Abihu,
Dr. Kinley: Nadab, and Abihu,
Dr. Harris: and seventy of the elders of Israel;
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Dr. Kinley: and seventy of the elders of Israel;
Dr. Harris: and worship ye afar off.
Dr. Kinley: and worship ye afar off.
Dr. Harris: And Moses...
Dr. Kinley: Now, hold it now. Now this, this, this is the cardinal point I want you to see, and the reason why I said I don't want none of your sass! All right. And then what?
Dr. Harris: And Moses alone
Dr. Kinley: And listen, and Moses by himself, none of these seventy. And Moses, alone and by himself! What, Doc?
Dr. Harris: shall come near Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: shall come near Yahweh. How about that? And Moses alone. Now that's the reason why I told you every Tom, Dick, and Harry can't do nothing with it! It's been my contention for 43 years, and I been telling you that. Yahweh caught me up there and showed me, just like He did Moses, just like He did Paul, and just like He did John on the Isle of Patmos. Now there's nothing you can do with me, absolutely nothing! Well, you're better off in a sense than I am. And the reason why I said that, if you received my testimony and you see through it, and you never seen the vision, and you believed on me because Yahweh sent me to you and I told you about Him; and you believed, you're far better off. I didn't get mine by faith; you did. I seen; you didn't. Now how about that? I've less room to boast than you have. How about that? All right. Now you see that Moses alone and by himself entered into that cloud atop Mt. Sinai. Do you see that?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, every Tom, Dick, and Harry that comes along, wanna tell you something about the creation, wanna tell you something about Yahweh, wanna tell you something about God, wanna tell you something about Adonai, wanna tell you something about Jehovah, and ain't seen a thing. And then got the guts and nerve to say 'look, I don't believe in revelations and visions.' Now you've just read that.
Now the vision, where he went in, this is in the cloud now. This is in the cloud, now we're gonna stay in the cloud now. And now this is where we're going this time ____ ____. And listen, the High Priest, I'm telling you, I'm telling you up front, the High Priest alone, he didn't have nobody to go with him in there. He went in there by himself. Couldn't nobody boast about, say 'I saw the shechinah flashing in the, in the Most Holy Place between the wings of the cherubim, and I seen Him setting there on the seat.'. He couldn't say that. And Moses, Aaron the High
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Priest went in there, and he only went in there once every year. He didn't run in like that. And Yahweh spoke to Moses and said, 'you speak to your brother, and you tell your brother Moses, Aaron, not to be running in and out of here, lest he die.' This is a serious thing, people. Yes, it is. And Yahweh's getting sick of our foolishness and our ignorance and our stubbornness and all kind of old false prophets out there, and false teachers, and whatnot, don't know a thing about it. And then you giving 'em your money, and losing your soul; they don't know nothing about it. You follow now?
Read Leviticus 16:2.
Dr. Harris: And Yahweh said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother,
Dr. Kinley: Now look, you go tell your brother, Aaron, Aaron was three years older than Moses. And listen, let me tell you something else about that. We usually say that Moses, ah that Aaron was the High Priest. He wasn't the High Priest. That is the way we say that among men he was ordained and he was a figure of the real High Priest. It was the High Priest that told him to speak to his brother. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) 'And tell him not to be running in and out.' And that was the High Priest that told him to come up here and told Moses to bring 'em up here, too. That was the High Priest. If you want that read, I can read it to you so we can get these High Priests straightened out. All right, read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: And Yahweh said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not
Dr. Kinley: that he die not, right here.
Dr. Harris: for I will appear in the cloud
Dr. Kinley: for I will appear, in the cloud
Dr. Harris: upon the mercy seat
Dr. Kinley: upon the mercy seat, which is symbolical to the throne of Yahweh. Said I will appear. Now when he went in there and executed that service, and completed that service, threw that blood toward the mercy seat seven times. Are you listening? Are you sure you're listening? Seven times. He went in there three times on that day. First he threw it for his own errors, the blood. That makes me get all warmed up again. Some idiot, standing around, calling hisself a preacher, got somebody baptized out there in water, washing away sin. Without the shedding of blood, there's no remission of sin. Water never did wash away nobody's sin. There's some profuse odor to that. How about that? Okay, read on, I will what?
Dr. Harris: For I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat.
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Dr. Kinley: in the cloud upon the mercy seat. That's right here. And let me tell you, 'Tell him to come in here by hisself.' And he never went in there without blood. And he always carried a censor with him. And he went in on the right hand side, had the censor on his right, had, had the basin with the blood setting in his hand, and the censor on his arm, went to the right side of this veil, pushed it back, this way, toward the left. What's that all about? You're going on back to the beginning with that blood. And that blood was a figure of the blood of Yahshua the Messiah that atoned for the first Adam, so it's got to reach all the way back, got to go to the left. Had the censor in his hand, hung on his arm. Now pay attention. You pay attention. Now, with that censor hung on his arm and hanging down, that was just smoke that's coming up out of that golden censor was a figure of this cloud that He ascended on. Now, where it's going is in the Most Holy Place. Here's the two tables of glory; here's the cloud. Here's the cloud here; and here's the two figures that stood by, here's the cloud here when He ascended on from the Mount of Olives after He tarried on earth 40 days and resurrected from the dead and tarried on the earth 40 days. And them two men. What two men? I tell you, we, we know something down here! And I mean we follow carefully, step by step, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, to the Law, there a little, to the Testimony. That's the way, that's the way, that's the way we work down here. And when you get an education down here, you got one.
Dr. Harris: Yes, sir. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: We know every step of it. When it comes to talking about the birth of the Messiah, they say the 25th of December is His birthday. No, not so. Can't be. Somebody say 'Now, why do you say that?' Now look, now just to show you, by no one having a knowledge of what you're doing, it always helps to tell something about the thing, if you know. Now, this man Adam, was he born on the 25th?
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Or was he created on the 25th?
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Or was it the 6th?
Student Body: The 6th!
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. The 25th of December. Yahweh put that man in the Garden, after He created him, and if it had been on the 25th of December that He put him in the Garden, then there wouldn't have been any fruition. How about that, Freddy?
Dr. Freddie Allen Jr.: That's all right, Doc.
Dr. Kinley: Now, in Romans 5:14, says that this man Adam, that He created. How
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about that? Read it. He didn't..,
Reader: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over then that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,
Dr. Kinley: After the similitude of Adam's transgression. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression.
Reader: who is the figure of him that was to come
Dr. Kinley: Now Adam was a figure of Yahshua the Messiah that was to come; so if he's a figure of Him that was to come, if Adam wasn't on the 25th, then Yahshua the Messiah can't be on no 25th. And in December, it's not in fruition. Now, if you just had a, just a thimbleful of sense, or just an iota of sense, you know when a woman gives birth to a child, breasts are ____ ____ ready; in other words, when He put that man in that Garden, the earth had to be fully prepared. Right?
Can't be on no 25th of December. Fresh. Cow have a calf. She's fresh. Don't nobody even have to tell that child, you ever think about that? That child, you don't have to say, 'go ahead and nourish.' The birds up in the nest, his mother's ____ is running, he's got his mouth wide open. Mother drops something in there. Oh, boy! See how Yahweh's done the thing? To abolish our ignorance, and then when we come up with a whole lot of so-called academic exigetical (exegetical?) opinions. Ain't this awful? And they think we justifying; and think we got some kind of excuse or alibi, and Yahweh just got to accept it anyhow. ____ ____. Now, as far as I've gone down, there isn't a thing anyone can do with it. Some of us just have to get it over any way we can. Now, let's get, let's get a little further into the thing. Let's get a little further.
Now, go back to the 24th chapter of Exodus, and somebody open your Book to Genesis the 1st chapter. Now, I oughta show you why I say you cannot start with Genesis. And then, on top of all that, I think in Exodus.
Dr. Harris: the 24th chapter.
Dr. Kinley: Now, look folks, there ain't no need of you thinking now that you're gonna run down to the preacher fellow to straighten it out ____. You ain't ____, I'm tell you now you're wasting your time. All right, read the 16th verse I believe it is.
Dr. Harris: Exodus 24:16. And the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mt. Sinai,
Dr. Kinley: Now, wait, now just a minute. Doc, you'd better, in order to have, get continuity of thought and put it back together again. You better read the 1st and 2nd verses.
Dr. Harris: And he said unto Moses, Come up unto Yahweh, thou, and Aaron,
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Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off.
Dr. Kinley: and worship ye afar off.
Dr. Harris: And Moses alone shall come near Yahweh:
Dr. Kinley: And Moses alone shall come near Yahweh:
Dr. Harris: but they shall not come nigh;
Dr. Kinley: but they shall not come nigh;
Dr. Harris: neither shall the people go up with him.
Dr. Kinley: neither shall the people go up with him. Say, you know, I oughta stop right there and tell you something about that. Now, I just went on with that situation. I oughta stop and tell you something about that situation ____ ____. Yahweh is everywhere. There is nowhere where He is not. Down here we got a man come to hear Yahweh, by himself. Now your carnal mind... This time I'm gonna put it down tight so everybody can understand what I'm talking about. Yahweh is everywhere. There is nowhere where He is not. Now you're talking about a man coming near. And then on back there in Acts of Apostles it said that it's in Him we live, and we move, and we have our being. Now you're talking to me about a man coming near. Now, how about that? I'm gonna get this one over to you; I'm gonna get this one over.
Now, there was a man down there on the side of that mountain, with Moses by the name of Joshua as they called him, who really was Yahshua that Yahweh was in, and He was right there with Moses and He come near Moses, or Moses comes near Yahweh manifested in that physical body. That's what I am talking about. Now you stand around and you're telling me about Yahweh said speak to Moses, 'Moses, speak unto them.' Now, who you talking to? Who was that talking to Moses? That was Yahweh. 'Well, where is He, you say He's everywhere.' That thing you got up there, that carnal mind is a terrible thing. For Yahweh was manifested right there in Joshua. And Joshua was, Moses, he was the only man, Joshua was the only man. 'No, don't you come near me. Let the rest of 'em stay down here.' He and Moses alone went up there in the mountain. I think about all them things, when I try and talk to you all. And that's the reason why I say, Mickey, I don't want no sass
Edward Mixon: Yes, sir.
Dr. Kinley: cause I understand what's going on.
Edward Mixon: Yes, you do. Yes, sir.
Dr. Kinley: You couldn't find nobody to say, 'Yahweh spoke unto Moses and said to speak unto the children of Israel and tell 'em that, Moses to bring seventy elders
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up here, and Moses alone shall come near me.' You just read; you don't know a thing about it.
Edward Mixon: That's right!
Dr. Kinley: You haven't even had a faint glimmer. You haven't had no idea, no concept about it ____ ____.
Mickey: That's right!
Dr. Kinley: How about that? Now listen, you want to know something? If we shut this thing down and went right out of here right now, you've been benefitted from what I'm talking about. I know something about it. Yahweh was right there with Moses in that body. And Moses was the only one who could come near. And say, listen here, let me tell you something else about that. Even down there in Egypt He communicated with Moses, communicated at the burning bush and told him not to.., 'Don't, don't come no closer. Don't come up here no closer! Stop! Right where you are. Take off your shoes.' What's that all about, taking off your shoes. Were you born with shoes on? Oh, boy. Feet, feet. Something's happening at this burning bush. That's right. Okay. And Moses alone shall come near. Now do you understand? Now, it was Joshua, the 16th verse. I want, I had to go back up here and get that angel in. Okay. now read the 16th verse.
Dr. Harris: And the glory of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: And the glory of Yahweh
Dr. Harris: abode upon Mount Sinai,
Dr. Kinley: abode upon Mount Sinai. Say, listen, what is the glory of Yahweh?
Dr. Harris: Yahweh Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: All right, that's right, that's right. That's what the glory of Yahweh is. How about that? Oh, yes, I'm telling you. Now look, let's, let's get a repeat on that. Now hold it right there. I'll be back; don't leave the place. Now the same thing over here. When he went up into the Mount of Transfiguration, that is Yahshua transfigured in fulfillment of this back here and His raiment was white as the light and the cloud that come down on top of that mount; and His raiment was white as a light and the glory of Yahweh revealed right through that body, abode upon top of Mount Sinai. How about that? Is that what.., is the shechinah? Right there. And light flashed in there, the glory. Just reading buster, I'm telling you that ain't going get it, it's not gonna get it. How about that. Now, I say this. Listen now. 'The words' Yahshua said, 'that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life, 'which means, if you comprehend or you understand, then that glory is imparted to you and you get some glory out of comprehending. How you do that? Is because, listen now, listen, this cloud is symbolic of your brain, and if I, what I say you understand, then you see the shechinah flash, or in other words your
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understanding is illuminated. How about that? 'Yes I understand now.' Isn't that wonderful? That's really wonderful.
All right, read on Dr. Harris, in the 24th chapter, 16th verse, where you were.
Dr. Harris: And the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days...
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Colon.
Dr. Kinley: Colon.
Dr. Harris: and the seventh day he called unto Moses
Dr. Kinley: and the seventh day, on the seventh day, he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. It doesn't say a thing there; it doesn't say a thing. Now look, do you recall that I said that you wouldn't know and you couldn't prove whether Moses wrote the Genesis or not. Do you recall that? Now, it said the cloud covered it six days, colon, and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. Is that right?
Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: Now go over to Genesis 1:1.
Dr. Harris: In the beginning Elohim created...
Dr. Kinley: Now just a minute, just a minute; he don't have no cloud there. That's why I said you can't start over there. Now, you got, 'ln the beginning Yahweh Elohim created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the Spirit of God moved upon the, the face of the water.' And so forth and so on, 'and the evening and the morning were the first day.' Now, you don't have no cloud there, so you can't start there. A man without a head ain't no good. That's what you got there.
Now look, this is what I'm trying to tell you. You have to.., I'll put it like this: if Yahweh had not given me a vision, I wouldn't know how to do this. I wouldn't know how to open this Book and loose these seals or impart some understanding to you. I wouldn't know how to do it.
Student Body: Right!
Dr. Kinley: I preached fifteen years in the Holiness Church. I didn't know nothing about what I'm telling you about. Now, you got over there in Genesis 1: 1 what happened in the cloud, while it covered the top of the mountain. And then you got 'ln the beginning...' In the beginning of what? You can't say it's in the beginning
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of Moses's vision; you can't say that, for he had a vision down here at the burning bush. Now how about that. This is in the beginning of the vision of the creation of heaven and earth. You have to go to the source to make some sense out of it. You can't say it's in the beginning of his vision. How about that. Oh, my, my, my. And look folks, look folks, Yahweh didn't show nobody that but Moses. That's why you got it down there in the 1st chapter of Romans, that Yahweh revealed it unto 'em. ____ it to the Hebrews nor the Gentiles.
Now suppose I pulled one real good one on you here. Show you something. Well, we'll take two, take three, and just take three, and choose. Now it seems we're in trouble now. I'm fixing to tell you something else you hadn't thought about. Now, we're showing you now how we know that Moses wrote the book, cause he was the only man up there in the midst of the cloud and saw the vision of the creation of heaven and earth that you're reading about in Genesis 1:1 and on down. And that's how he knew. Now what we're talking about here now, is this. We're talking about the name now, Yahweh. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham,
Dr. Kinley: Now I appeared unto Abraham,
Dr. Harris: unto Isaac,
Dr. Kinley: unto Isaac,
Dr. Harris: and unto Jacob,
Dr. Kinley: and unto Jacob,
Dr. Harris: as El Shaddai,
Dr. Kinley: as El Shaddai,
Dr. Harris: but by my name Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: but by my name Yahweh
Dr. Harris: was I not known to them.
Dr. Kinley: Abraham didn't know the name Yahweh. Isaac and Jacob did not know the name Yahweh. Now, if you go over here in the 2nd, in the 2nd chapter of Genesis. Let's look at it. And read that and see if it don't talk about Yahweh in the 2nd chapter of Genesis.
Dr. Harris: These are the origins of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Yahweh Elohim made the earth.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? They couldn't do a thing with that. Now, that
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shows you that Moses wrote, because didn't nobody know His name. They didn't know it; they knew Him by El Shaddai, which means Almighty Provider. And incidentally, He is yet the Almighty Provider, that just don't happen to be His name. How about that. That just means that He is the Almighty Provider, and still is. You all got enough of this?
Student Body: No, no sir!
Dr. Kinley: All right, now that proves that...
TAPE 2 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: that puts Moses' seal on it. He was the only one that knew anything about it, the name Yahweh. The divine ____, nobody else didn't know nothing about it. That's proof positive that Moses wrote it. Now how about that? Cause the rest of them didn't know nothing about it. And yet He appears to 'em too, but He didn't tell them what His name is. Now how about that? You see that? Ain't it wonderful?
Now look, listen, Jude.., Jude was a.., or Enoch, now listen now, was the seventh in the line of genealogies or generations, the seventh generation from Adam. That boy prophesied too. Alright, let's, listen, get this straight. I'll put Peter on you, it you don't think I'm telling you right. He prophesied, Jude did, right out of the, seventh man from Adam prophesied with the Holy Spirit. Prophesied about what? This right here.
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: How about that? Read it, please.
Dr. Harris: The 14th verse of Jude: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, Yahweh cometh with ten thousand of his sons,
Dr. Kinley: Uh, huh
Dr. Harris: to execute judgment upon all,
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: and to convince all that are wicked among them of all their wicked deeds...
Dr. Kinley: That'll do; the seventh from Adam, prophesied of this right here. Now, listen folks, this is back before the flood. Here's a man with the Holy Spirit prophesying before the flood about this. How about that? Had you thought about that? (DR. KINLEY CHUCKLES) You see that now? Read on, Dr. Harris.
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Dr. Harris: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, Yahweh cometh with ten thousands of his sons, To execute judgment upon all, and convince, and to convince all that are wicked among them of all their wicked deeds which they have wickedly committed, and of all their hard speeches which wicked sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts;
Dr. Kinley: Now this is what it amounts to, folks. I want you, I want you to understand. Now, right in that same chapter Doc, it talks about the angels that sinned. We wanna get the thing straight. Yahweh cast them down in chains, bound 'em down in chains, cast them down to hell and bound them in chains of darkness to be reserved against the day of judgement. Now look, pay attention now, pay attention. Now, all of these generations that come down from Adam, down in here to Noah come on past over here to the Ante Diluvian and the Post Diluvian, and come on down to Moses. Now, you read in Romans 5:14, death reigned from Adam to Moses. Now this is not explained. I don't want you to think that. That means that the Mosaic Law was declared, clear down to here until Yahshua the Messiah cause it stood until Yahshua the Messiah fulfilled the Law. Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses. Now what I'm saying is, the devil is cast down, and he's cast down to the Children of Israel, and comes right on down, right on down through all these folks from Adam on down to Moses, after the similitude of Adam's transgression even over them that had not sinned.
But now, these people that didn't obey Him by going in the Ark, they were drowned. These that didn't hear Moses and the prophets, they died without mercy.
Now, that's just a lost cause. All the way down, and convincing of them of their hard sayings. Now what it is. Now this is what it is. I want you to understand what I'm talking about. It is them satanic spirits that was cast out and then incarnated in them physical bodies, and, and coming on down through here, too. Right straight on down, same ones, coming right, right straight on down, even right down 'til this time. And that is the condition of their hearts and their minds. The sign's come forth now still. I don't have time to get into all of that.
And I, I, what I want to do now is this: I want to give you an opportunity to ask some questions.
Now we spoke, a while ago, I think I should clear this up, about Genesis not being the first book of Moses. It is, in the way the Bible is compiled. I told you that... Now we proved that Moses wrote it, because he was the only one that could write it. (BELL RINGS) Time is gone. It sure does go fast, don't it?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Especially when we're trying to get a point across. Nevertheless we tried, and I hope you got something out of it. I hope that you see or understand something that you possibly didn't understand before, and you just continue on
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in what you see. But now that's what you know. Now folks, it's in Yahweh that we live and we move and we have our being. Now I want you to get this thing straight. It's Yahweh that speaks through me, the Holy Spirit is the teacher. Never mind the rabbis, and all your so-called Bible teachers. You just, just forget about the Popes, and the Cardinals and all that kinda stuff. They actually don't know, they really don't. Now, Yahshua the Messiah said they didn't know. They didn't even know Him when they saw Him, just like you down here. You don't know who's whom unless you have a knowledge of His purpose and plan of Yahweh. You don't know. You look at me and think he's ignorant. Read on Dr. Harris. Well you're right. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) But that wasn't what you meant, what you meant was.., you could try to say something, throw some kind of slur. You told the truth unconsciously and unaware of the fact that you did that. And if you just believed that I did know this thing in reality, then you could see what it is in me that does knows. Now how about that!
Student Body: All right!
Dr. Kinley: I hope that you got something out of that.
STUDENT BODY APPLAUDS
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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
received from David Rosen
2 90 minute audio cassettes
CATTLOG #: 75.0122
Transcribed by Sandra Giragosian
proofread by Susan Ameigh, Michael Rothstein and Gerry Rothstein
proofread and approved by International Public Relations Committee: 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: And we have tried our best to bring it to you just like Yahweh gave it to us. I want you to know that the world does not agree with us. And it's a pretty hard thing to get up and go against the world. And let me explain this to you. You had better be prepared, cause if you don't, why then they are going to make a fool out of you. Now I thought tonight we'd get down on some things that you ought to know something about, where you are in the program of Yahweh as to His purpose and plan in the ages. What, what are they?
Now the reason for me talking like that is this. First of all, you don't hear in Roman Catholicism, and Protestantism, and Judaism, you do not hear about the dispensations and ages. There's no way under the sun for you to understand the purpose of Yahweh without a profound knowledge of the dispensations and ages. You don't know anything at all about it.
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And there's another important thing too, that Ambassador College has just right recently learned, after accumulation of many millions of dollars, and deceiving many millions of people all over the world. They did not know, and for the most part Christendoom does not know tonight, this night, that Yahshua the Messiah, was back here with Moses. They don't know that. Now, before we go any further, we want to stop right now and let you find out about that. We're not gonna read no whole lot of scriptures about it; or one oughta be sufficient. The 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians, now, that's where they went to, to let you know that Yahshua, I'm talking about Ambassador College, went to to let you know that Yahshua, the Messiah was back there. Now, they've been reading it, all these many years, just like they have all of the rest of the scriptures, and yet and still they had no knowledge of it. All right, read there, the 10th chapter the first, and begin with the 1st verse.
Dr. Harris: Moreover, brethren
Dr. Kinley: Now, there's something more on top of this. Moreover... Now, moreover is a conjunction, and that's something else we need to know something about too. The, this Bible was not originally written in chapters and verses. And oftentimes a subject and a predicate is divided by chapters and a verse, as is the case where you're reading at here now. Now, you have to probably go back up in the last chapter to find out, what to, what precedes that, that he has adjoined this thought to... Moreover brethren. Moreover, brethren, read.
Dr. Harris: I would not that you should be ignorant,
Dr. Kinley: Now, if Paul says I, I don't want you to be ignorant. Now look, let's face it. Let's face it now. He said now, 'Moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant.
I was sitting in Springfield, Ohio. Dr. Hobbs called me on the phone. I was at one of the brethren's house there. And he said, 'Have you got your channel so-and-so on the TV?' I said, 'Yes, we've got it, and Ted Garner Armstrong is speaking there.' And this is what he said. He said that his father did not know many things, even his father didn't know, and neither did he. For example, then he talked about the 15th chapter of I Corinthians, I mean about the 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians, that Yahshua the Messiah, was back there with the Children of Israel, with Moses. Said that they didn't know that. Now, old man Armstrong, Herbert Armstrong, claims to be the man that Yahweh has sent, or God has sent in the world, in this last day to straighten the people out, to prepare them for the establishment and setting up of the Kingdom of Yahweh on earth. And he didn't know that. Now, that's bad, very bad. Now, I don't want you to think now, that he's the only one in Christendoom that don't know, because that would be a bad error, the rest of them don't know either. Now, read on, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant,
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Dr. Kinley: Now, he said that he didn't want them to be ignorant of that. That Yahshua the Messiah, that later come through the loins of the woman, born of the woman, that He was back there with Moses. That's something to think about. And I'd, I'd like to tell you this, while we're on that story: He was the one that informed Moses, and the prophets, that he would be through the loins of the woman. He was the one that informed him. That's where they got their information from. Now, if you insist, I'll read it. All right, read on, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud,
Dr. Kinley: Now, how all of our fathers were under the cloud. All right.
Dr. Harris: and all passed through the sea:
Dr. Kinley: and all passed through the sea:
Dr. Harris: And were all baptized unto Moses
Dr. Kinley: And were all baptized unto Moses
Dr. Harris: in the cloud and in the sea.
Dr. Kinley: in the cloud and in the sea.
Dr. Harris: And did all eat the same spiritual food;
Dr. Kinley: And did all eat the same spiritual food;
Dr. Harris: And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
Dr. Kinley: And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
Dr. Harris: for they drank of that spiritual Rock
Dr. Kinley: for they drank of that spiritual Rock
Dr. Harris: that went with them.
Dr. Kinley: Now hold it right there, and look at your King James Version. I want it read.
Reader: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's stupid. Just plumb downright stupid, and what we might say, a direct contradiction. Even from common sense... Now, let me tell you what I'm talking about. Now, when Yahshua the Messiah come along, did He say to His disciples, 'let Me follow you?'
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Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: It says there in the King James Version that Rock that followed them. Now what do you think He'd look like going along behind them? He's the Savior of the world, and He's going along following them. Now, if you didn't know something about what it was all about, you couldn't pick up them kinda errors and mistranslations in this book. All right, now, so they all ate and drank of that Rock that went with them. Read on.
Dr. Harris: and that Rock was the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: now, and that Rock was Peter.
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Now, why did you bring that up? That shows you how you've been deceived all your life; someone's been turning it around. Now, in the 16th chapter of Matthew and the 18th verse...
Reader: And I say also unto thee,
Dr. Kinley: And I say also unto thee,
Reader: That thou art Peter,
Dr. Kinley: That thou art Peter,
Reader: and upon this rock
Dr. Kinley: and upon this rock
Reader: I will build my church;
Dr. Kinley: Now the Roman Catholic Church says that He was talking about that He was gonna build His church on Peter. They refer to that right there, just like you reading. They refer... Now He doesn't say anything about building His church on Peter there. You can read, can't you? Repeat what you just said; and listen, let's get some sense out of it and see if it says that.
Reader: And I say also unto thee,
Dr. Kinley: And I say also unto thee,
Reader: That thou art Peter,
Dr. Kinley: That thou art Peter,
Reader: and upon this rock
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Dr. Kinley: and upon this rock, not that rock! Said upon this rock! What rock? That Rock that went with them back there. Now here's what I'm talking about. If He was back there, and that's the congregation or the church back there, He can't build no church on Peter. How about that? But He can build one on Himself. How's that?
Student Body: All right!
Dr. Kinley: And another thing He said there, too, He said upon this rock I'll build.., He didn't say that somebody else would build. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, we got preachers running all around all over the world, talking about building churches. And there's another thing too, on that score. Let's look a it from the... as it is now, let's look at it as it is.
Now, the 17th chapter of Acts of Apostles, says this: that Yahweh does not dwell in temples made by hands. And all of you know that the Roman Catholic Church, the Protestant churches.., you know that, as well as I do, they claim to have a building down on the corner somewhere, and it's called such and such a church, First John, or First John, Church of John, or all the epistles, Episcopal Church, or the Church of Christ, or the Church of God, or the Church of Something. And they run around in this book, and pick up all these names out of the book, and then they put 'em out there, hang a shingle out. And they got the people coming in there and tell them all kinds of lies. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right!
Dr. Kinley: All right, but now Yahweh just simply doesn't dwell in a building made by hands. Well now, if He doesn't dwell in a building made by hands... Now, here come Jehovah's Witnesses, 'Well, what does He dwell in? "Know ye not that your body...' 6th chapter of 1st Corinthians, and the 19th verse. Don't you know that your body is the temple... Read it, David.
Dr. Rosen: What? Know ye not
Dr. Kinley: What? Know ye not
Dr. Rosen: that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost
Dr. Kinley: that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit
Dr. Rosen: which is in you,
Dr. Kinley: Now, wait just a minute! Now here's the Jehovah's Witnesses running around talking about the Holy Spirit is not in any man. And He's not in no building; and He's not in no man. Now where the Hell is He? Now I said that that way so I could attract your attention to this. Yahweh's in Hell and He's in Heaven,
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and He's in everything! Everywhere! No one escaped from the presence of Yahweh. The whole universe in its totality is embodied in Yahweh and controlled with unerring accuracy and infallibility with universal spirit law. Now how do you like that! Now, that's the way it is, folks. Now, pretty soon I'll tell you my reason for choosing it... by writing... by epistle. I'll tell you my reason for it. All right. Now, did you read that?
Dr. Rosen: I didn't finish that.
Dr. Kinley: All right, finish it.
Dr. Rosen: What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost
Dr. Kinley: Now, don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, or Holy Ghost. Don't you know that? Paul's asking you a question. Don't you know that? Then if you know that, then why did you let somebody tell you that's in a building down the street there. Now, I'm giving you what's in the book. All right. Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Read on.
Dr. Rosen: which is in you,
Dr. Kinley: which is in you... The Holy Spirit, which is in you. They say it's not in you. And then you start to read the Bible, and you can't detect that? That's something else. And they're going around and getting together, and thousands upon thousands of people, and they'll just worry you to death, running in and out, and knocking on your door with a little old piece of paper, 'Awake,' and 'Enlightenment,' and all those kinds of things. Is that right?
Now, the time is critical, it's very, very critical. And then as critical as it is, it would pay you to pay attention to what is said. Now, I told you the other night that it was your indispensable duty to come to school; and then, when you come to school, then you sit there and you try to learn.
Now, I'm on your side, I'm not against you. It's my job to tell you the truth. Now, you might not like my way of presentation. I'll admit that I am ruthless and rough about it. I don't lie to you, for your sake. Say listen fella, I do know what I'm talking about. I don't have to worry around about trying to prove my ministry. Ain't nobody on earth done any greater things than I done.
Student Body: That's right!
Dr. Kinley: And I haven't done nothing. The Holy Spirit, through this body... Ain't nobody on earth, living or dead... You'll get a history here pretty soon. Dr. Gross and Dr. Harris has been writing a little something about it. And we got records to prove it. That's the reason why I just come right on out and say what I wanna say.
Then people get offended and they go away and say, 'Well, I'm going, and I ain't coming back no more.' But I ain't going to compromise on your account. I'm gonna say what I want to say. They ain't nothing you can do about it. And if you
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get up and go on away from here and you won't never come back, don't you think you're gone. You ain't gone. No indeed. I'll meet you just as square in the judgement; tell you the same thing. 2nd Thessalonians 2:7. And I wanna show you how those men gonna look when He comes in, and what He's gonna do about it then. Ain't gonna be like this class we're holding here tonight. All right.
Dr. Harris: And to you... 2nd Thessalonians 1:7
Dr. Kinley: 2nd Thessalonians 2:7.
Dr. Harris: 1:7
Dr. Kinley: Yes, that's right.
Dr. Harris: 2nd Thessalonians 1st chapter, 7th verse.
Dr. Kinley: 2nd Thessalonians 1st chapter and 7th verse.
Dr. Harris: And to you who are troubled
Dr. Kinley: Now listen! You that's been having all your problems out here in these churches, don't know which way to go, and all confused about it. Said, you who are troubled. What?
Dr. Harris: rest with us,
Dr. Kinley: Have a seat. Take a seat. Let your temperature go down. That's what you'll have, you'll have a high temperature because of sitting under me. It's warm in the power of the... just a smoking so as to speak, because I'm gonna say things that's gonna make you warm. So, you just expect it. And you're gonna get mad about it, too.
I've had a couple of my very best friends, some of them sitting there looking me in the face now, have cussed me out. And I've received just as great a blessing as I had cursing from them. And they wouldn't be here tonight if they hadn't seen and understood. And they're grateful for it. But I see, I can't compromise.
And I'll tell you something else I wish you would do. And it'll help if you do it. Get TIME magazine, NEWSWEEK, or LIFE magazine, or READER'S DIGEST, or some of those books, and look at the religious pages. Read it, and you'll find out what's going on, something more about what's going on in the world.
Now, they're coming around to the name Yahweh, slowly coming around to the name, Yahweh. And, in the meantime, they have gotten embarrassed now; there's so many sects and cults, and all of 'em are saying that they're right. And then they are reading in the Bible about all these divisions. So now, what they're trying to do is to reunite some of them, trying to get some of them united, so it won't look so bad.
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And then this fella Sun Myung (Yung?) Moon is just recently come over here. He says you're gonna have a second chance. I wouldn't take no chance on it. I wouldn't advise you to do that. All right, alright, read.
Dr. Harris: And to you who are troubled
Dr. Kinley: Now, you who are troubled... You been having problems down there in your church with your pastor and all different kinda things. You who are troubled, rest with us.
Dr. Harris: when Yahshua the Messiah shall be revealed
Dr. Kinley: when Yahshua the Messiah shall be revealed from heaven
Dr. Harris: with His mighty angels,
Dr. Kinley: with His mighty angels,
Dr. Harris: in flaming fire
Dr. Kinley: No. Um, um. No sir. 'You gonna have a second chance.' Wonder why people can't read the Bible, Freddy. With a flaming vengeance... All right, read on, Doc.
Dr. Harris: in flaming fire taking vengeance on them
Dr. Kinley: taking vengeance on them
Dr. Harris: that know not Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: Now, do you see why we have that first aim read in this school? David, would you mind reading the first aim.
Dr. Rosen: To help you find and know Yahweh as He really is and actually exists.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's what our problem is, is to help you find and to know Yahweh as He really is and as He actually exists. Now, there's some more to that. Now, you just can't run around and read scriptures around in the Bible and all, and understand the Bible. That's not the way to go about it. But people are quoting scriptures, and reading the Bibles, and they think that that's sufficient. And they said, 'That man surely does has a good knowledge of the scriptures. He sure is a smart man.' No. No, that ain't gonna get it.
What you have to do, listen, got to be able to put this purpose together. And Yahweh says, you who are troubled, rest with us. This is, this is the apostle talking. And telling the, back there in the early, as they call it Christian era. That's wrong. No such thing as Christian era. His name was not Christ, from which the derivative Christian. Now, we learned that. Somebody says, 'Well, I been doing it so long, I'm just going to keep right on with it.' Well, you're just going right on
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to the lake. Listen folks, all you folks that are here tonight, this is your last night. If you're new here, and this is your first time here. Now listen, pay attention to what I am saying. This is your last night that you can be saved in Jesus Christ.
Student Body: All right.
Dr. Kinley: After tonight, no more salvation. This is your last night. Believe it or not, that's the way it is. Somebody says, 'Well, I ain't gonna buy that, I'm going on anyhow.' Yes, go on to the lake. That's right. You'd better do something looking around. You, who are troubled, rest with us. Read on.
Dr. Harris: when Yahshua the Messiah shall be revealed from heaven
Dr. Kinley: when Yahshua the Messiah shall be revealed from heaven
Dr. Harris: with His mighty angels,
Dr. Kinley: with His mighty angels,
Dr. Harris: in flaming fire
Dr. Kinley: in flaming fire
Dr. Harris: taking vengeance on them
Dr. Kinley: taking vengeance on them
Dr. Harris: that know not Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: on them that know not Yahweh. Did you hear that? Now, it is not going to be no coming in and begging you, and saying, 'Now, why didn't you just do this right with me and follow me?' Going to take flaming vengeance on you. Your pastor and you, too. The blind leading the blind, that's what, that's what's gonna happen. All right.
Dr. Harris: and they that obey not the glad tidings of our Savior, Yahshua, the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: and they that obey not the glad tidings, or the gospel of Yahshua the Messiah. Now, you either obey, or else you'll be lost. Now, that's all there is to that. Now you should get that learned. You have to obey. Now, there's some important things here. Now, every time you come, we tell you about these names, Yahweh, Elohim, and Yahshua.
And you should understand. We've have made a little change in our aims there, and fixed it up a little better, it hasn't gone to press yet. It is: To help you find and to know Yahweh, our Elohim... Now, the reason why we changed it that way is because Yahweh, Deuteronomy 6:4, Yahweh, our Elohim, is... Read it here. Deuteronomy 6:4.
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Dr. Harris: Hear, O Israel:
Dr. Kinley: Hear, O Israel:
Dr. Harris: Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Hear. Now, you have to hear. Now, somebody, 'Well I heard, but I don't believe that stuff. I'm going on just the same, the way I been going. All my people died in that church over there and they all went to heaven.' I'd advise you to go back to the cemetery and look around and see if... Hmmm. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. And I'll assure you that that's where you'll find your graveyard. It hasn't been molested since. There's nobody broke through there, either. All right, finish Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Hear, 0 Israel
Dr. Kinley: Hear, 0 Israel:
Dr. Harris: Yahweh, our Elohim,
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh, our Elohim,
Dr. Harris: is Yahweh a unity.
Dr. Kinley: is Yahweh a unity. Now listen now. This is what this means. There's a Most Holy Place, a Holy Place, and a Court Around About. It's just simple and plain: one, two, three. One, two, three. One, two, three. That's all there is folks.
One'll come and make the expression say, 'Now look, I don't know about that idiot down there talking about one, two, three.' He's setting up there looking at me in the face right now. How you feeling, ____? (DR. KINLEY BREAKS UP LAUGHING AND THEN STUDENT BODY LAUGHS.) Yes. Now, he come down to flog me around about water baptism there and all those things. And we found out that... and we had an agreement. I might as well tell you about it with the Church of Christ. And they promised, he promised that if he defeated me, as the Dean of this school, why then we would go and take all our folks and go join the Church of Christ. And if I give him a licking, why he would come over here and bring all of their folks over here. That was the agreement; and we would be over here together. How long ago was that, Dr. Williams?
Dr. LaSalle Williams: Twelve years.
Dr. Kinley: Twelve years. Well, he's been over here twelve years. But the rest of them would not. And we had a debate with the others, and we had one here not too long ago. Dr. Harris had it with Lee White, I believe it was, debated about water baptism. And we have told you many times, we've said many times, that water baptism was not for the Gentiles as an ordinance from Yahweh. That's not in your book, not in your Bible. You can't read it out of there. It's not in there. I know every passage there is in it. And so, I'm telling you now, you can't read it
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out of there. And if anybody in this building thinks they can, get up and read. Don't want but just one verse. How's that? Okay.
Now, we had tonight the 5th chapter of 1st Thessalonians read, and we wanna get back in here the 5th chapter, 1st Thessalonians. It speaks about the day of Yahweh coming as a thief in the night. We had a man come in here and he talked about Him coming, oh my Lord, talking about the Day of the Lord coming in the night. The Day of the Lord, coming in the night... Now, wouldn't that scripture... The Day of the Lord, coming in the night. And he had a couple of brethren with him, and they said that he knew more about the coming of the Day of the Lord than anybody that they'd ever seen.
Now listen, the Day of the Lord shall come as a thief in the night. Now, in that, it speaks about when they say, 'Peace and safety. Then shall come sudden destruction.' First, I wanna tell you something about what the Day of the Lord is, or the Day of Yahweh is. And there've been some awful blunders made about that, the Day of Yahweh.
The Day of Yahweh is a day that doesn't have no start and no finish, no beginning and no end. It is eternity itself. Now listen, folks, if I was going to dig down into this like I ought to, I couldn't finish it tonight. I know that I can't. It's too long to give you a profound understanding of it, I just couldn't finish it tonight. But we will work on it some.
As I told you as a thief in the night. And then about when they say, 'Peace and safety, then comes sudden destruction.' Now we have campaigns going all over, crusades going all over the world, call themselves preaching the gospel to all the world, the gospel of the kingdom. And then, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the majority of the Christian world... Now pay attention to what I'm telling you now, because what I'm saying is deep in the Spirit and it will almost have to be revealed to you, just words is inadequate and insufficient.
First, get down in Genesis there and get the creation. Now listen, the creation itself did not take place in the realm of time. It took place in the realm of eternity. That day, that day has had no start and it hasn't had no end. That is the day of Yahweh. That is the day in which He shall judge the world in righteousness by that man which He has ordained. That is the day.
Now, look at Genesis there and, listen, pay attention now. And Moses... I don't have time to run it all down. And he gives you, from the 1st chapter of Genesis, he gives you the rundown of those six days of the creation. Now, almost all of Christendoom, you can't find no books, you just can't find them, that ever could get into the realm of eternity and bring this creation out so that you can understand. Now, that's where the error takes place. Now, that day has had no beginning; it has had no end. Read about that day, Doc.
Dr. Harris: The 2nd chapter of Genesis, 1st verse
Dr. Kinley: 2nd chapter of Genesis, 1st verse
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Dr. Harris: That's in the Holy Name Bible, and chapter 2 and verse 4, I believe, in the King James Version. These are the origins of the heavens and of the earth when they were created,
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen. These are the origins, this is the origination of the heavens and the earth.
Dr. Harris: when they were created,
Dr. Kinley: when they were created,
Dr. Harris: in the day
Dr. Kinley: in the... The is an adjective, and it points to a definite thing. Now look, read it again.
Dr. Harris: These are the origins
Dr. Kinley: These are the origins
Dr. Harris: of the heavens
Dr. Kinley: of the heavens
Dr. Harris: and of the earth
Dr. Kinley: and of he earth
Dr. Harris: when they were created,
Dr. Kinley: when they were created,
Dr. Harris: in the day
Dr. Kinley: Now all of it took place in that day, wasn't no six days. Now, back there in the 1st chapter of Genesis, you have each day in logical sequence. It tells you what happened on each day as we have it up here. Now, I just got through telling you that the creation did not take place in the realm of time. But it did take place in The Day. And that's what your book says.
That's why so many scientists cannot agree with the Mosaic account of the creation. They can't figure it out. Now, since they can't figure it out, why then, you've got evolution and everything else all encouched in it. But now, this day, or the realm of eternity, which is, means no time spans at all. Eternity is not, is not, is not timed. It's without time. It's eternal. It has no beginning. It has no ending. The creation took place within that.
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Now, let me explain, let me show you. Now, Moses is up here. You see the Mount Sinai. You see Egypt here; and you see all of this. Now, Moses is up here, now look, Moses is way down and there wasn't anyone back there with Yahweh, so far as a created creature is concerned. There wasn't no heaven and there was no earth. 8th chapter of Proverbs and the 22nd verse. There was no heaven and there was no earth back there. There wasn't... I can't say a time. But within the realm of eternity, there was no heaven and no earth in it. Now listen, but the substance of which it was made up of was there.
Student Body: All right. All right, Doc.
Dr. Kinley: Now, what was that? That was spirit. Read.
Now, I wanna let you know what I'm driving at so you won't get lost. I'm trying to tell you about the Day of Yahweh coming as a thief in the night. Now, that's what I'm trying... what you call judgement day. Now that's what... Of course, it ain't that, it ain't that way. You're already in the judgement and that's been going on for the longest. And if you want me to read that, I will read that to you.
But now you pay attention. You pay attention. This is hard work up here, doing what I'm trying to do. And I wouldn't know a thing about it if Yahweh hadn't revealed it to me. There ain't nobody never had sense enough to figure it out; that carnal mind just don't penetrate a spiritual realm like that. And this is what makes it so great. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: Proverbs 8:22.
Dr. Kinley: Proverbs 8:22.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh possessed me
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh possessed me
Dr. Harris: in the beginning of His way,
Dr. Kinley: Hold it right there. John 1:1, and then we'll be right back. Hmm? Yeah, I'm getting ready to go to work Freddy. Yes, indeed.
Now, remember, we wanna find out that Yahweh has appointed a day, that's the Acts of Apostles, when He shall judge the world by that man whom He hath ordained. And, in the meantime, you read about Him coming as a thief in the night, the Day of the Lord or the Day of Yahweh. Now, we're trying to tell you something about what that is. And then, when they say peace and safety, here comes sudden destruction. Now, I'm trying to clarify all of that. All right.
Dr. Harris: John 1:1
Dr. Kinley: John 1:1
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Dr. Harris: In the beginning was the Word,
Dr. Kinley: Now, in the beginning was the Word,
Dr. Harris: and the Word was with Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: and the Word was with Yahweh,
Dr. Harris: and the Word was Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: and the Word was Yahweh.
Dr. Harris: The same was in the beginning with Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: The same was in the beginning with Yahweh.
Dr. Harris: All things were made by Him;
Dr. Kinley: Just hold that so I can break that down, just for a second, just for a second. Now, look, do you recall, or have you forgotten, that I told you that Ambassador College didn't know and they read the 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians. And I also told you that it was Yahshua the Messiah Himself, that told Moses that He was coming through the loins of the woman. Now, I'm telling you that He was back there in the beginning, that was before Moses. You're in there now. I mean you're on back in it. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) The same was with... in the beginning. What we're talking about is the Day of Yahweh. And we're talking about it sneaking up on you as a thief in the night. Now, we're not talking about the night coming. We're talking about the Day coming, as a thief in the night. Now, a thief, he doesn't go around, knock on your door and say, 'well I'm in here to steal a watch tonight.' So you can have the police and everybody running around. He ain't gonna do nothing like that. Well, does he? No, he wouldn't do that. So, now, the Day of Yahweh will come as a thief in the night. Now, He was in the beginning. Now, in the beginning was what? Was the Word. And the Word was with Yahweh, in the beginning, now. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, skip on down to the 14th verse of the 1st chapter of John.
Dr. Harris: And the Word was made flesh,
Dr. Kinley: Now don't you see, and the Word was made flesh. All right.
Dr. Harris: and dwelt among us,
Dr. Kinley: and dwelt among us,
Dr. Harris: and we beheld His glory,
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Dr. Kinley: and we beheld His glory,
Dr. Harris: the glory of the only begotten of the Father,
Dr. Kinley: the glory of the only begotten of the Father,
Dr. Harris: full of grace and truth.
Dr. Kinley: full of grace and truth. He said, I proceeded and come forth from the Father, and I am going back to the Father. He didn't say if the Devil didn't hinder Him. Now, I could, I don't have the time, but I could, Dr. Harris, we wanna tie this up. Tie it up real good. Are you all with me thus far?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, read that. I wanna tell you what we got.
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We got this one, they call Him Jesus Christ, who is Yahshua, and Elohim, too, and Yahweh, all back there together in the realm of eternity as one as as unity. That's it. Now, that's what we got.
Well, the average person thinks they see Jesus as coming, born to virgin Mary, and that's who, where they think He started in at. That's wrong. That's just as wrong as it can be.
Now, Colossians 1:15, 14, 15. Now look, folks, pay attention. Pay attention. I said many times on this floor there is no such thing as before Christ. Course I'm conscious of the fact that the people who are calling Jesus Christ... His real name is Yahshua. But there is no such thing as B.C. The Jews, they don't use no B.C. They use A.M. No, that doesn't mean in the morning; it means in the year of the world. And that with them is about 5736 or 37. Right, David?
Dr. Rosen: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Are we done with that up there on the board? Dr. Harris, you might have to take a chair and try to figure a little bit over there.
Now then, we're really into something tonight. And what we're talking about is the Day of Yahweh coming as a thief in the night. And we're talking about Him judging the world by that man whom He hath ordained. Now, you have already learned from 1st Thessalonians there, that He's not gonna come back and beg these folks to repent, but He, when He shows up, He's gonna take flaming vengeance on them that don't know Yahweh. Now, that means this Freddy, that if your pastor don't know, you gotta move. Start to hunting, try to find something
Dr. Harris: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: All right. Now, read.
Reader: (COLOSSIANS) 1:15. Who is the image
Dr. Kinley: Now, what he's talking about here, which, it's the 13th verse... is that where the subject began? What we're talking about here is Yahshua.
Reader: Colossians 1:14.
Dr. Kinley: Just take the 14th verse.
Reader: In whom we have redemption, through His blood.
Dr. Kinley: Now in whom we have redemption, through His blood, that's Yahshua the Messiah. We have redemption through His blood. All right.
Reader: even the forgiveness of sins,
Dr. Kinley: even the forgiveness of sins... Now, listen, now here's what we're talking about now. We are telling you now that there's no such thing as before Him. Now that's what we're telling you now. All right, read on.
Reader: Who is the image of the invisible El,
Dr. Kinley: Who is the image... Now, just a minute. Now, we'll have to do something here. Gonna have to go back and read that verse up above.
Reader: 14th verse?
Dr. Kinley: Yeah.
Reader: In whom we have redemption, through His blood.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's the flesh. The, the, the, the blood is in the flesh. In whom we have redemption in His blood. That means in His flesh, that the blood was in there, and that means that here we offered up these sacrifices, in His blood Yahshua the Messiah. We have redemption, or restoration in His blood. Now, that gets Him in a physical body. That's what I'm talking about. All right, read on.
Reader: Who is the image of the invisible El,
Dr. Kinley: Now, He is the image of the invisible El. Now we've got Him in the spirit. He's the image. In the flesh He's the image of the invisible El. Meaning this, on the invisible. Read on.
Reader: the first cause of all creation:
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Dr. Kinley: Now, that's the first cause of all creation. Now, if He's the first cause of all creation, then you cannot go beyond Him, therefore, you cannot have no such thing as before Him. How about that? Yes indeed. ____ ____ up there in the day of eternity. And we want to show you. We want you to see, we want you to understand what we are talking about. We don't want you in the dark at all. I'll have to hasten on.
He's the first cause of all creation. Now listen, somebody said this, 'Well, He never made the Devil.' Said He the first cause of all creation. Now, the Devil didn't create himself. How bout (about?) that? All right, let's find out about it. Read on.
Dr. Harris: For by Him were all things created,
Dr. Kinley: For by Him were all things created,
Dr. Harris: that are in heaven,
Dr. Kinley: that are in heaven... Now listen, the Devil was once in heaven. And he was cast out. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: and that are in earth,
Dr. Kinley: and that are in earth, so it don't make no difference whether you're in heaven or in earth, everything that exists, it was created by Him. Now you're really on back there now. That's right. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: visible and invisible,
Dr. Kinley: Now, visible and invisible. Yahweh is invisible, visible and invisible. The angels are invisible. We just told you that He that was manifested in the flesh, that was Yahweh that was manifested in that physical body. That was Yahweh Elohim that was manifested in that physical form; in other words, we wouldn't know Elohim without Him. How about that?
Somebody say, 'Oh, my goodness, you know that wasn't back there like that.'
Well, ____ is an invisible spirit creature, without any descriptive, listen folks, without any descriptive shape and form, being the essence and the substance, the limits and the bounds... Means you can't get outside, can't go around, and can't go under Him. He's the limits and the bounds. He's the source and the substance, the limits and the bounds. We're really going on in there now. You tell me, so I can go to school, if you know any preacher or anybody on earth that's preaching any better than what we're talking about here tonight. I want to go to that church.
Student body: No way. no sir.
Dr. Kinley: I want to join up with them. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: visible and invisible,
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Dr. Kinley: visible and invisible,
Dr. Harris: whether they be thrones,
Dr. Kinley: don't make no difference whether they be thrones,
Dr. Harris: or dominions,
Dr. Kinley: or dominions,
Dr. Harris: or principalities,
Dr. Kinley: Now, they got dominions. And then in heaven they have a dominion there. Don't make no difference whether they be thrones or dominions. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: or powers.
Dr. Kinley: or powers. Don't make no difference. There is no power above Him, above Yahweh, none whatsoever. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: all things were created by Him.
Dr. Kinley: All things, all things... But in your King James Version you've got Jesus Christ. There's no such thing as anything before Him. Don't everybody say that? I told you... Listen here, folks, I told you... Oh, I hate to say that, but I will say it though. I told you so many things that nobody else in the world has told you.
Student Body: Right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: You might as well face it. That's no lie. If you think... Do you... If you look in your book, in your King James Version of the book, if it's a good reference Bible. Look at the top of the page, and you'll find B.C. 4004. Ain't no such thing, there ain't no such thing as that. Now how about that? Before Him... It just said there was nothing before Him, didn't it? Now somebody... You have a habit of going out, running out of here and saying, 'That man said,' No. That's the book that says that. No such thing as before Him. All things were created by Him and for Him, and without Him there wasn't nothing made that was made. Is that almost right? Is that what you got there? All right, go back to Proverbs 8:22.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh possessed me
Dr. Kinley: Now, Yahweh possessed me. Now listen, folks, you ____ ____. Yahweh possessed Him, He was in the bosom of the Father, immersed in the bosom of the Father. Yahweh possessed Me. Yahweh is plural, and yet He is one. That right? Is that, is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
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Dr. Kinley: Now I mean this, this is what I meant by that. This is the masculine part, and this is the feminine part of Him; in other words, this is the father and the mother, or the masculine and the feminine.
Somebody said, 'Now, you know, I don't believe that stuff.' Another thing... Listen here, you can't get that out of this. You can't get that out of this, either. There never has been, and never will be any natural figure on this earth plane without a mother and a father. 'Oh! Oh.' you say, 'You forgot about Melchizedek.' No, I didn't. He had a mother and a father. Well somebody said, 'Who was his mother and his father?' I could just stand here and say old man Melchizedek. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) ____ ____ what I'm talking about. How about that. (THEY CONTINUE TO LAUGH) No, but Moses didn't write the pedigrees and the genealogies. Why? Because Yahshua, Yahweh, and Elohim was without them. All right, now, are you with me thus far? We're talking about the Day. All right, read on, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of His way,
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of His way,
Dr. Harris: before His works of old.
Dr. Kinley: Now, before His works of old. All right.
Dr. Harris: I was set up from everlasting,
Dr. Kinley: I was set up from everlasting,
Dr. Harris: from the beginning,
Dr. Kinley: from the very beginning,
Dr. Harris: or ever the earth was.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that was before the earth was. Say, I'm reading out of the Bible. Am I not? All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: When there were no depths,
Dr. Kinley: When there were no such thing as a depth... Now, you're back in the realm of eternity. That's what I'm, that's what my aim is now, we're going back here. All right, read on.
Dr. Harris: When there were no depths, I was brought forth;
Dr. Kinley: When there was no depths, I was brought forth. What do you mean when there was no depths, I was brought forth? Now listen folks, pay attention now, pay attention, just pay attention. Get this. Yahweh is the Father. Now Yahweh, being the Father, which is symbolized by this cloud, as spirit. The cloud
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is symbolical of the Father, and Yahweh is spirit. Now listen. Now then, Yahweh possessed Him in the beginning of His purpose. I kind of let that word... in the beginning of His way, in the beginning of His purpose. How about that? Is that all right? All right, alright now, now what else?
Dr. Harris: when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Dr. Kinley: Well, now, when there were no fountains abounding with water. All right.
Dr. Harris: Before the mountains were settled,
Dr. Kinley: I want before He was brought forth.
Dr. Harris: When there were no depths, I was brought forth;
Dr. Kinley: I was brought forth. Now, look, that's where we get this thing at when we say you. Pay attention now. He's taken on a shape and form. Now that's where we get it from. Now, when that took place, it didn't, it didn't take all the cloud here to make up just this. It didn't take all of that to make it up. Before there was any creation, or anything, brought forth... When there was no depths, and when there wasn't anything, Yahweh possessed Him in the beginning of His purpose. And then He took on a shape and a form, or an image. Now listen, we tell you right there Yahweh went out of business. And it was by vision, this is Yahweh in shape and form: that's Elohim, is the pattern for Him in shape and form. And then He begins to create. Now look, we're in the realm of eternity now, not in time. You don't have no sun, no moon. You don't have no earth. You don't have none of that. Oh, my goodness. That's on back in there. Wasn't no angels either. There wasn't no nothing, just Yahweh all by Himself. How about that?
Student Body: All right.
Dr. Kinley: Oh, my goodness. Just Yahweh Himself that took on a shape and form. That's Yahweh in shape and form. That's incorporeal. Then He steps on down and He takes on the concrete, ____ ____ ____ a body. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS AND CLAPS) Did you hear me? Somebody said, 'I don't believe it.' Winds and waves, be still. Roll the stone away. Lazarus, come on out of there. Come forth. How 'bout (about?) that? Oh, I tell you. I tell you. You in there now.
Then what you just read over there in Colossians that all things were created by Him. As He takes on the shape and the form, so that's Yahweh Elohim in shape and form. Then He creates... Now listen. He creates everything in the realm of eternity. Now listen, pay attention, because this is hard.
Now, the sun and the moon and the stars, they were placed in there as Yahweh's official timekeepers. So, then back here it was before the beginning of time. Then you have to be in the realm of eternity.
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Then somebody comes up with this, and it should be explained, but the average preacher can't explain it. Now, I just got through telling you that Yahweh created, not in the realm of time, wasn't no day in it, just one day. I asked Dr. Harris to read it. Is that right?
Student Body: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Then somebody turn over to the 20th chapter of Exodus, and it says, remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy, for in six days God created the heavens and the earth. Now, what do you say about that Mr. Smartaleck? Now, how about that? God created it in one day or in the realm of eternity.
And listen here folks, let me get this over to you. You still yet abide in that Day, and you're never going to be out of it, never been out of it. Now, that's the day of Yahweh. All right. Now, we have to see these things, but before we do, we'll finish that up, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Before the mountains were settled,1
Dr. Kinley: Before the mountains, now, now, He's telling you before the mountains, you see Mt. Sinai here, before the mountains were settled,
Dr. Harris: before the hills was I brought forth:
Dr. Kinley: before the hills was, He was brought forth:
Dr. Harris: While as yet He had not made the earth,
Dr. Kinley: While as yet He had not made the earth,
Dr. Harris: nor the fields,
Dr. Kinley: nor the fields,
Dr. Harris: nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Dr. Kinley: nor the highest part of the dust of the earth.
Dr. Harris: When He prepared the heavens,
Dr. Kinley: When He prepared the heavens,
Dr. Harris: I was there:
Dr. Kinley: I was there:
Dr. Harris: When He set a compass upon the face of the depth:
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Dr. Kinley: When He set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Dr. Harris: When He established the clouds above:
Dr. Kinley: When He established the clouds above:
Dr. Harris: when He strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Dr. Kinley: when He strengthened, or established, the fountains of the deep:
Dr. Harris: When He gave to the sea His decree,
Dr. Kinley: When He gave to the sea His decree,
Dr. Harris: that the waters should not pass His commandment:
Dr. Kinley: that the waters should not go no further, or pass His commandment:
Dr. Harris: when He appointed the foundations of the earth:
Dr. Kinley: when He appointed the foundations of the earth:
Dr. Kinley: As one... took on that image... as one brought up with Him. How about that? All the same substance, the same incorporeal spirit. As one brought up with Him or with the Father. How about that? Oh, boy. Folks, there's something to this. All right.
Dr. Harris: and I was daily His delight,
Dr. Kinley: and I was daily His delight... Read on.
Dr. Harris: rejoicing always before Him;
Dr. Kinley: That's enough now. Now look, the 20th chapter of Exodus... Now, we said we wanna say something about that. Now, Moses... I need to go get first, and come in to this. Now this is from Adam or the creation of Adam, as shown on the chart, and then down to the Flood. Then, this is the end of the world, this is the beginning of an age, this is the end of one. Now, I should tell you this. Now, I should tell you this. Now, the end of it, that's why He's talking about it. Now, we read all about it. He created everything, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or whatnot. They was taken created in the realm of eternity. Now this is showing you here the beginning. This is showing you the realm of eternity.
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Now listen, the angels had this back in here. That span, intermidical span, and you can't tell a thing about it because it's in the realm of eternity.
Now then when He created the heavens and the earth, and then put the man in the Garden of Eden. And from there down to this, that was notating the creating, the physical creation had already taken place. Now then, over here in this age, this is after Noah's Flood and Adam was driven out of the Garden of Eden. This is after the Flood, now then you're over into another age. Now listen. This is under the dispensation of the Law, where He spoke to the Jews, and called them up in the mountain. This is up here. Abraham, Abraham and Moses, or the Mosaic Law and the Melchizedek Abrahamic Promise. Then you come on down to the crucifixion. And then that brings us up to where the Messiah was crucified. That was the end of that age. In other words, each one of these is the end of a world or the end of an age. Now then, over here is where we are now.
But now, what I wanna talk about for a minute or two, is this. I wanna get in here, in this right here, and take you back up here, and show you these six days of this creation that Moses showed us and talked about. Remember the Sabbath Day, in the 20th chapter of Exodus... Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. For in six days, Yahweh Elohim created the heavens and the earth. Is that right? Is that what you got there?
Dr. Harris: Exodus 20:11.
Dr. Kinley: Exodus 20:11, for in six days
Dr. Harris: Yahweh made heaven and the earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.
Dr. Kinley: and rested the seventh day.
Now, you understand me now. Turn your Bibles to the 24th chapter of Exodus and the 16th verse. Now, I'm showing you how your Bible is put together. I oughta cut out here somewhere, and let you ask questions, but I should finish this, too, but I just bit off more than I can chew. I told you that I wasn't gonna be able to finish. All right, read.
Dr. Harris: And the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mt. Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days:
Dr. Kinley: Now, Dr. Harris, you got to hold. Now Freddy, you have to go back you folks that are.., now into the 1st chapter of Genesis. And the cloud covered it six days: and on the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. Now, is that what you got there? Not in Genesis. Repeat that Doc. Somebody, whoever's got the Bible. Anybody.
Reader: And the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mt. Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days:
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Dr. Kinley: Read on.
Reader: and the seventh day He called...
Dr. Kinley: Now hold. Now, I want the seventh day. That's what I want you to pay attention to. The seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. Is that right?
Reader: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now go back to Genesis and get that seventh day.
Dr. Allen Jr.: Genesis 1:33, Genesis 1:33.
Dr. Kinley: Genesis... You say it's 1:33. Doc, what are you reading out of, a Holy Name Bible?
Dr. Allen Jr.: A Holy Name Bible... In a King James, it's 2:2.
Dr. Kinley: In a King James it's 2:2.
Dr. Allen Jr.: And on the seventh day Elohim ended His work
Dr. Kinley: And on the seventh day, He ended His work. Now look, coming on down to the 1st chapter of Genesis, 'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. The evening and the morning were the first day.' And then He goes on down into the second day, the third day, and the fourth day, as we have it illustrated up here. Is that right? Now, what we are talking about... We are talking about the creation taking place in the realm of eternity. Now, that's what we're talking about. And we're talking about Moses being up there in Mt. Sinai in the Postdiluvian Age, right here, and then up in Mt. Sinai, and having a vision, and Yahweh is showing him the creation of the heaven and earth. And He's taking six days to show it to him: that is, the sun rose and set six days. And He said, He said there, remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy, that's in Exodus, for in six days He created the heavens and the earth.
Now listen, remember the Sabbath. Now here's the Seventh Day Adventists. The Seventh Day Adventists said they knew way back as far as Genesis and Adam. Adam knew nothing about no seventh day. He didn't know a thing about it. He didn't say nothing to him about it. Why not? Because, when He put him in the Garden, He told him what to do. He told him to keep the trees clean, to dress the Garden. And He didn't tell him nothing about no resting on no seventh day. Did He?
Student Body: No.
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Dr. Kinley: Never said a thing about it. Now, listen now, the Garden was in fruition. There wasn't no dead limbs nor nothing. He didn't need to do no dressing. He told him to just sit down and rest. He didn't have nothing to do. He was in the rest, that's what I am trying to talk to you about, or he was in the Sabbath. Oh, my goodness.
And Paul, just told you, in what you just read here a while ago, 'You who are troubled, rest with us.' What are you saying that for, Paul? Because Yahshua the Messiah, said 'I will work a work in your day...'2 He's done all the work, and now you sit down and rest.!
Student Body: All right. All right. That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Oh, my goodness. I tell you, you who are troubled... What was His work? Fulfilling the Law, moving it out of the way. And it was only given to the Jews, not the Gentiles.. And He says there in Habakkuk 'I will work a work in your day that you shall not believe though a man declare it unto you.' Ain't that right. Oh, I'm telling you. And they got you all upset or troubled about washings, sacrifices, and eating Lord's Suppers and drinking grape juice, and fooling around here in the water, going in the swim, and a lot of foolishness. It's stupidity and ignorance. Is that right? And if you notice this; Yahweh told that man not to touch the fruit of that tree. The Devil come along and say, 'Sit and eat and drink' You're not supposed to touch them sacrifices. You're not supposed to keep no Lord's Suppers. Said 'Taste not, handle not, wherewith all are to perish.'3 You wasn't invited to the first party, and never was asked to neither one. Talking about Lord's Suppers. I just told you, already done told you this. Maybe you've forgotten it, but I will repeat it. You read me one verse out of the Bible where Yahweh, Lord or God, or Jesus Christ ever said anything in the history of the world, and from back to back in the Bible, about a Gentile getting baptized in physical water, and I'll eat your book. I mean right now. I had a pretty good supper too, but I'll eat it up. It just ain't in there. He doesn't give you no ordinance like that.
All right, now, this six days. Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy, and the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud, on the seventh day He called. Now, that seventh day is what I'm telling you now, that seventh day that you're reading over here in Genesis. Read.
Dr. Allen Jr.: And on the seventh day Yah-Elohim ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day
Dr. Kinley: He rested on the seventh day. That's in Genesis.
Dr. Allen, Jr.: That's right.
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2 Habakkuk 1:5
3 Colossians 2:21
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Dr. Kinley: Now, this is the same seventh day right here that He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. And this colon here means this, that there's something left out of here. Now the vision that Moses had during these six days, solar days... The vision that he had while he's up there in the mount, way after the creation had taken place, he's in the realm of eternity. And Yahweh had given him a rerun or a repeat or he's seeing it in a vision.
Let me say this while I'm at it. Now, Yahweh narrated this. When He talked to Moses, he's seeing it there. He said, 'Let there be light. Let the waters beneath divide from the waters above and let the dry land appear.' Let thus and so... He's narrating each one of them days. But when the real creation took place, He didn't say nothing. 'What are you talking about now, Mr. Dummy?' I'm just gonna be what I will to be. Now that's plain. Alright. How about that. How about that. But in order for Moses to understand what he's seen during the vision, and He's narrating it.
Now, the Seventh Day Adventists think that because that's back there, written back there, they think that Adam knew about the seventh day, the Sabbath Day, but now that's the only place you find it back there, in Genesis. But now, what has taken place, remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Now, here's where the Sabbath Day comes in there. When Israel come up out of... through the Red Sea and went out into the wilderness... Now, listen now. This is the first sabbath I'm talking about. Adam knew nothing about it. Not a thing was known about it right down in this age. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, they knew nothing about it. The first time it was mentioned, or any hint of it, it was right here. This is a hint. When Noah was in the Ark, said yet seven days, but He didn't say anything about no sabbath. He just said seven days. Is that fight? Now then, that's a hint.
But now, here's where the sabbath comes up. He tells them about the sabbath, is the gathering of manna, after their food supply was diminished, and they were out there in the wilderness. And Yahweh gave them manna from heaven. And He said, 'Now, you can gather six days, but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, you won't gather.' Back there. And that was the sabbath. And He told Moses to tell Israel to remember. That's what He said, remember, about that sabbath back here. That's the first mention of a sabbath. That's the reason why I said, this was before the giving of the commandment. This is before He spoke from Mt. Sinai, and they, they had the manna. Then when He speaks from the top of the mountain, He says, 'Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy.' You follow?
Now, Revelations 10:4. Now, this wouldn't be no good without.., you got to nail the whole thing together.
Dr. Harris: And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices,
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. Now listen. Yahweh said, 'Let there be light.' in Genesis. And Moses was within the cloud. And you know lightning and thundering is in the cloud. How 'bout that? Of course, I know you know all about that. ____ ____ (PERSON COUGHS) uttered their voice. Then what?
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Dr. Harris: I was about to write:
Dr. Kinley: John said, I was about to write. Well, why was that? Was because there's a first part of Revelations, He told him, said, 'what you see and hear write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia.' And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, said I was about to write. Thin the Spirit told him not to. ____.
Dr. Harris: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me,
Dr. Kinley: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me... You know, I can't stand that. I get all worked up. When I come to Los Angeles, I preached 'I heard a voice from heaven' for the longest time. I'm telling you. And now listen folks, I really heard it, too. I ain't lying to you. I heard that.
Student Body: Yes. Yes.
Dr. Kinley: All right, I heard a voice from heaven saying,
Dr. Harris: seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered,
Dr. Kinley: seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered,
Dr. Harris: and write them not.
Dr. Kinley: and write them not. Now, why not? Read.
Dr. Harris: And the angel which I saw stand upon...
Dr. Kinley: Because it's already written. Write them not. You just read about it. Go back, Doc, to the 10th chapter and the 4th verse. What I'm after now... We're always talking about every jot and every tittle. Now, we wanna get the jot and the tittle.
Dr. Harris: And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write:
Dr Kinley: When the seven thunders, colon, I was about to write. Now, if he didn't write here what took place here, he put over in the first part of the Genesis... Moses wrote it over there. Now look, folks, that's the reason why... Now pay attention. I wouldn't miss this one for nothing. I wouldn't miss this one for nothing.
Doc, you're gonna have to do this. You're gonna have to go back to the 24th chapter of Exodus, and the 16th verse, and I want you to pay attention to what I'm gonna say and then go to the 1st chapter of Genesis. Do it quick, please.
Dr. Harris: And the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mt. Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days:
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Dr. Kinley: And the cloud covered it six days:
Dr. Harris: In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Dr. Kinley: In the beginning... Now, this is what I wanna show you. This is why you just... People say things, just say that, 'I'm gonna take the Bible, and study it from Genesis on to Revelations.' You can't do that. Get no understanding out of it. Now here's the reason why.
Over here in Exodus where you was talking about it, the cloud covered it six days. And you've got the vision here. And you've got it wrote down over here in the 1st part of Genesis. But, now, when you start in the 1st part of Genesis, you ain't got no cloud at all. Ain't got no cloud covering it; ain't got no cloud there at all. So, you see why you can't start over there. You got to have a head. There's your cloud up here. If you ain't got no head, you can see you ain't got nothing. You can't see, neither can you exist. In the formation of a child in the mother's womb, the head is formed first, from whence the rest of the body emanates, or grows out from it. Is that right?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: But this cloud is eternity because it represents Yahweh. And since it represents Yahweh, now, when you go back over here, you have got Yahweh then took on a shape and form, and said, 'in the beginning, God, or Elohim...' And you don't have no cloud at all, there at all, so you can't do nothing with it.
Now, if you understand, that that seventh day that's in Genesis, the 2nd chapter there, I think it is in the King James Version of Genesis, where it says that seventh day is the same seventh day that's in the 26th chapter of Exodus here.., 24th chapter, the 16th verse of Exodus here. That's the same seventh day. Now look folks, and listen. Now, if you didn't know what I have been talking to you about, you couldn't prove that Moses ever did exist. You couldn't prove the divine authenticity. There's just nothing you can do with it. And you can't get up into the realm of eternity like that. And you can't create that, heavens and the earth. You don't know nothing about no Sabbath Day.
Now, then, let's get in the 17th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles, and get that Day that he was appointed.
(BELL RINGS)
Dr. Kinley: The bell. I told you I wasn't gonna be able to finish the thing.
Yahweh has appointed the day where He shall judge the world in righteousness by that man whom He hath ordained. What is it, 17:31?
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Dr. Kinley: Acts 17:31.
Reader: Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given proof unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.
Dr. Kinley: That's right. Now, look folks, in conclusion, you've heard that... Now, we been talking about in the lesson, what Dr. Raymond, Dr. Clark read to you about... When they say peace and safety, then comes sudden destruction. The Day of Yahweh will come as a thief in the night. Now, that's what we have been talking about.
And I tried to show you now where you have been in the realm of eternity all along, and yet, when it comes to official timekeepers, the sun and the moon rising and setting, that brings forth the seasons, years and so forth and so on, and the days, and the months, and the years, but they were created in the realm of eternity. And while Moses was up there in the cloud after the Flood, that's way down. And then he is seeing this vision and seeing how that Yahweh created. John on the Isle of Patmos out here, he's looking back and showing you that He was in the realm of eternity. John said he didn't see no night back there, and if you go down to the 1st chapter of Genesis, this is what you find. You find that this day, that day, and the next day, and the next day, and the next day, and the next day, and so forth and so on... It just continues to go on that way. You don't have no end til you get down to the other, showing you that it was in the realm of eternity, and not in the realm of time.
Now, I hope and trust that you have gotten something out of it, out of this lecture. It was pretty deep. But now, it will come as a thief in the night, and when you think everything is all right, peace and safety... Now, the reason why I brought that up is on account of Israel, and the threat of war that's going on over there now. And I wanna tell you this. Judgement Day, judge has actually started back here. Here's where that come up, back here, on the Day of Pentecost, right here I should say, Day of Pentecost. But now, they set still; they tried to come up in Jerusalem and destroy the Temple and the city, and not to receive them.
Now, He told them in the 24th chapter of Matthew, I couldn't miss this, to pray that your flight be not in the winter or upon the Sabbath Day, because He knew that those Jews, when they didn't accept the Messiah as the real Messiah, and then they would just sit still. And then they would be killed. And then He also told that women (woman?) to pray that they be not with child at that time, because of the hardships and all, and they would be murdered and so forth and so on. Now, because He knew that they were gonna set still, call themselves keeping the Sabbath Day, not seeing that Yahshua the Messiah had moved it out, and they were gonna ____ ____ and that's just exactly what happened. Here we are, back up in the same thing right now.
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And here, over here now, Sadat has given Israel 90 days to get out of the Sinai Peninsula and also the Golan Heights. And if they didn't, why then, there would be all-out war. Now I'll say this, now, if Yahweh didn't intervene, there's only not quite 15 million Jews in all the earth now. We got the statistics at home. And I'll let 'em read them up there. There's now over about 300 thousand in Israel now. There was about 3 million there, but since this last war, there's been so many of them killed, and so now there's more Arabs. Do you remember how many Arabs there was these to have the United Arab Republic? It was up in the millions. Now, they have atomic bombs and whatnot, all ready to pounce down on poor little Israel there, which means, now, that Yahweh is just about to intervene.
Now, Kissinger has been over there, and they're trying to negotiate some permanent peace treaty, and Israel is willing now to give him the Sinai Peninsula, and so now, they're working with it, he's giving them 90 days to, from the time back there which will come up to... I wouldn't miss this one for nothing, which will come up to the Passover this year, April the 15th, the 14th which is the Passover, and come up to that. Now, every time on the Sabbath Day, that's what he told 'em, Messiah called... now every time, the six-day war broke out or right at the time that Israel wouldn't move, heads setting down there and wouldn't do nothing. So that's what's happened. Every time, they wait now, they got wise enough to wait, and they know Israel is not gonna try to defend themselves. At least, that's what they think, because of those holy days, they won't do anything. So they may try to set it for that particular time and pounce down on 'em. But Israel did in this last time, she jumped on them before they could get off the ground, and she left 'em stranded in the six-day war of June the 6th, 1967.
Now, another thing, too. Now, the last war, we were over there and we told them that they wasn't gonna win, neither one of them. Israel wasn't gonna win; neither was the Egyptians gonna win. But now, they're bent and bound to go against and run Israel into the sea, and Yahweh said that will never happen, or to annihilate Israel.
Now there's something else about that Israel business that I ought to tell you. Don't think it's them people over yonder... That's the wrong folk. There's 14, nearly 15 million Jews in the world. There's far more. I'm a Jew myself and everybody that has the Holy Spirit in them he's not a Jew outwardly but he's a Jew inwardly. Look. They are as the sands of the sea and as the stars of heaven. And so, there ain't no way in the world for you to annihilate them. Do you understand what I am talking about?
So I hope you got something out of it. I could carry it on deeper and further, but I don't have the time; the bell has rung and I know you wanna go home. We don't wanna wear your patience out.
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by Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
received by Fred Allen Jr.
1 90 minute audio cassette
CATTLOG #: 75.0423
Transcribed by Shannon Brewster
proofread by Susan Ameigh
approved by the International Public Relations Committee - 1996
TRANSCRIBER’S NOTES
1. …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand.)
4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.
Dr. Kinley: ... ever so much. As usual, I'm always glad to testify in the defense of our Savior, and to tell you about the deception that is going on in the world, and when I do that, I realize that I must suffer persecution, but I am prepared.
The scripture lesson there said, the Apostle Saul said it, about he reckoned that the sufferings of that present time, at that time, was not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall be revealed in us. Not only that, it's necessary for you to do some research, pay some attention. And you yourself know, you know without me even telling you anything about it, that there, there's a lot of erroneous doctrines that has been taught all over the world. You know that. If one is right, the other is always something wrong. ____ ____ ____. It just don't seem like there's much unrighteousness, ignorance, colossal stupidity in the world, it don't seem like it oughta be like that, but it is. For example, if you heard me say that I didn't believe in God, now then you'd call me an atheist. Right?
Student Body: Right.
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Dr. Kinley: And the reason for that is because you don't know, you just imagine that you know. And if you heard me say that I didn't believe in Jesus Christ, now that's blaspheming too. And if I said I didn't believe in the Lord, now that's just, that's terrible. But I don't! (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And if you do, you don't know no better. That sounds bad, I know. And now I thought what we would do after awhile is to tell you something about the purpose of this school, why it was founded. It was founded because they will not permit us to go into the churches and to teach the truth. They will not, they, they, they, they, they will not allow it. They do not know the truth. And since, since we been having this class in here like this question and answers tonight. Now you have an opportunity now to jump right into that, that you just heard me say, and do some investigating. You should.
Now this is another thing I wanna remind you of. We have asked that the new people, instead of setting way back in the back back there, we've asked to, make some provisions to get 'em up here close to these charts so they can see.
And now another thing I wanna mention to you is this. This is not a church, this is a school. Now when you go to school you expect to learn something you don't know. That's, that's what you go to school for. So, if that be the case, you should be expecting to learn something here that you don't know anything about, if you're new. And I wanna say again that this gospel has been preached all over the world, ever since it's been formed. Yahweh's making it His business to teach you that is preached and taught. That's His responsibility.
I'd like for you to look at the 24th chapter of Matthew. I want to impress this on your mind. Now I did not say that I didn't believe in a supreme deity. I didn't say that. I said I didn't believe in the Lord, God, and Jesus Christ, and the only reason why you do is because you don't know. Then that's what we're down here for is to tell you about it. Start with the 24th chapter and read a few verses. First, second, and third.
Reader: And Yahshua went out, and departed from the temple:
Dr. Kinley: Now it said and Yahshua, didn't say Jesus, as you have in your King James Version of the Bible. Now that was alright until you learnt better. And Yahshua went out and what?
Reader: Departed from the temple.
Dr. Kinley: And departed from the temple. That's the Herodian Temple, that the Masons and other fraternal organizations know something about. Now this is the tabernacle. The temple sit here on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. There was three temples. Solomon's Temple, and what's the other one?
Student Body: Zerubbabel
Dr. Kinley: Zerubbabel. that's two.
Student Body: And the Herodian.
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Dr. Kinley: And the Herodian, that's three. All set right there on Mt. Moriah. Now that's what, that's where they were where you're reading about. They went out from the temple. Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem. And they were talking to Him about the temple, Yahshua the Messiah, or Jesus Christ. Then what?
Reader: and his disciples came to him for to show him the buildings of the temple.
Dr. Kinley: Now the disciples come to Him to show Him about the, the, the temple. Now right while we're there on that, let me say this. Now His disciples, they followed Him around for 3 1/2 years, everyday. They looked at what He done. They witnessed the things that He done, and did you know that they didn't know and they didn't understand nothing about it. They were not the only ones. There was the Pharisees, that was the strictest religious sect of the Jews. And then there was the scribes, a scribe is a copiest (copyist?). And then there was the Sadducees that didn't believe in the resurrection, and they, they called Him Beelzebub. They said He was wrong, and so forth and so on. Now before you move, read John 2:19. Now we're going back to where we were there.
Reader: John 2:19 Yahshua answered and said unto them,
Dr. Kinley: To the scribes, Pharisees.
Reader: destroy
Dr. Kinley: And Yahshua answered and sad unto them
Reader: Destroy this temple,
Dr. Kinley: Destroy... Now wait a minute. Now I just, I wanna show you how people make awful bad mistakes. He didn't say destroy that temple. Is that the way it reads in your Bible? Said destroy this temple, and then what?
Reader: and in three days I will raise it up.
Dr. Kinley: and in three days I will raise it up. Now that's what He said, talking to the Pharisees and Scribes. Now you pay attention. You hear. ____, are you paying attention?
Man: Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: Now read the ____.
Reader: Then said the Jews
Dr. Kinley: Then said the Jews
Reader: Forty and six years was this temple in the building
Dr. Kinley: Now forty and six years, that's 46 years the Herodian Temple was in
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building, and at that time it was not complete. But it had been builded, been in the building 46 years, this temple they built. Not realizing that He wasn't talking about the temple up out here. Don't forget now His disciples they were telling Him something about it, as if though He didn't know. Now how about that? Now what did.. Finish reading that.
Reader: and will thou rear it up in three days?
Dr. Kinley: And will you raise it up in three days? You see how, see how little they knew about it. 'Our fathers have been 46 years in building this temple, and here you set around here talking about you're gonna raise it up in three days.' Just looks like an impossibility, wouldn't you say? To them. How you gonna raise it up in three days? Now He didn't explain Hisself. He just let it go at that, but John did explain it. Alright, read.
Reader: But he spake of the temple of his body.
Dr. Kinley: But He spake of the temple. This temple was a figure of His body. Now they're telling Him and asking Him about, and trying to show Him something about the temple of His body. Now this is the Creator incarnated in a physical body and this temple is a figure of Him. Now they're trying to show Him something about it. Now wouldn't that paralyze you? You see how little they knew about it. But He spake of the temple of His body, and that He was going to raise that up in three days, meaning that He would be crucified and buried and in three days He's be resurrected from the dead. That's what He meant by what He said. And He didn't say destroy that temple, He said destroy this temple, and I'll raise it again in three days. I'll lay my life down and I'll take it up again in three days. And He didn't explain it at all, they never did, they, they never knew at all what He was talking about, until after He resurrected from the dead. Now look. Listen folks. They followed Him around three and a half years and didn't know what He was doing. I mean looking right at Him everyday. How 'bout that? Did you know that? Now it might be necessary to prove that to you, that they did not know. Now you got the same situation out here now. For example, just to, just to show you. This temple that was in Jerusalem there... Now I don't know whether you know this or not but there's a Muslim mosque there on Mt. Moriah, right where the temple used to be at, this time. Is that right? You folks that went with us when we walked up to it and put our hands on it. Is that right? In Jerusalem in Mt. Moriah. 1971, October. And that Muslim mosque was there and they, they hadn't really finished it up.
Now that brings me around to say something to you about the situation there. He said destroy this temple and He'd raise it up again in three days. Now He did resurrect from the dead, and in this conversation in the 5th chapter of Matthew, in this conversation where His disciples were showing Him the layout of this temple and telling Him about it. And yet and still they was in and out there everyday, where you are, course they did go in other parts of the country. Alright read. Now he's picking up the story here.
Reader: and Yahshua went out, and departed from the temple:
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Dr. Kinley: See that.
Reader: and his disciples came to him for to show him the buildings of the temple. And Yahshua said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Dr. Kinley: Now how about that? Such an edifice as that, such a building, ____ overlaid with gold, the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place in the temple, this is the tabernacle, but in the temple it was lined with gold and embellished with angelic figures. Now that gold, like this figures ____ ____ and then that, pomegranates, angelic figures cut out in wood then gold is soft and you press that gold inside,, I mean you press that gold in those angelic figures all round the walls, I got my hand on the walls, I hope you take it that I do mean the walls, both in the Most Holy Place and also in the Holy Place. And all of these vessels in there: the Ark of the Covenant and the two cherubims of glory, the golden candlestick, the altar of incense, and the table of shewbread, they were gold there. The Outer Court, that had brass, a brazen laver and a brazen altar. Now I'll, I'll have to just stop and tell you this, I don't have time to go into it. This Herodian Temple didn't have the Ark of the Covenant in it. I don't know whether some of you knew that or not but I just thought I'd tell you about it, it didn't have it. What it had in there was a stone. Solomon's Temple when that temple was torn down by Nebuchadnezzar
when he plundered Jerusalem, broke down the walls and tore down the temple; Jeremiah was told of Yahweh to, to hide the Ark of the Covenant, and he hid it in a cave. Now you don't have that in your King James Version of the Bible, but you do have it in what?
Student The Macabees (Maccabees?)
Dr. Kinley: The Macabees (Maccabees?), 1st Macabees (Maccabees?). Now you have that in there. Now they had, they did have a replica of it when they went into Babylon, but they did not have the Ark of the Covenant. So I thought I'd just tell you that, while we were there. ____ ____ ____ but that's what belongs in there.
Now they talked to Him about the temple and He said to them, now listen, there wouldn't be one stone left upon top of another that wouldn't be torn down. Titus, the Roman Emperor, come up from Rome, went into Jerusalem with soldiers and tore down every bit of that temple in A.D. 70; and it has not been rebuilt since. How 'bout that. Now that temple was torn down. Now, the reason why I brought this up, now a lot of people are under the impression...
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Dr. Kinley: being whatever it is, the Baptist Church, the Methodist Church, the Roman Catholic Church, and the church of this and the church of that, and so forth and so on. Now Yahweh does not dwell in none of 'em. Maybe you better read that. Acts 17:24.
Reader: Acts 17:24
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Dr. Kinley: Acts 17:24
Reader: Yahweh who made the world
Dr. Kinley: Now Yahweh who made the world
Reader: and all things therein
Dr. Kinley: and all things therein
Reader: seeing that he is ruler of heaven and earth
Dr. Kinley: seeing that he is ruler of heaven and earth. Now wait just a minute. Wait a minute He's got a companion there that seems to be the ruler. And you'd read on, wouldn't pay no attention to that too. I'm talking about the Pope. They say of him..., I mean it's in writing, it's documented that he is the ruler of the world and that he has power to put anybody in heaven, issues indulgence and so forth and so on, or credits. And if you happen to be a little bit short on your credits, then he takes some from Mary, His divine Son, or His divine mother of that divine Son, and add it to you to get you by for a small fee, all depending on how much you're worth. High mass which means indulgence or credits.
And now here's Yahshua the Messiah said, 'no man goeth unto the father but by me.' Pope said, that's wrong. Roman Catholics say that's wrong. Said, 'he has plentitude of power, and he can put you into heaven.' There ain't nothing like that written in the Bible. I'll tell what is written in there though and they misquote that. Said to Peter, 'I give you the keys of the kingdom, and whatsoever, and whatsoever,' not whosoever, 'and whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven. And whatsoever is bound in heaven shall be bound on earth.' Didn't say a thing about him putting anybody in heaven, that is not in the Bible. And Peter and no pope never did put nobody in heaven at anytime. I said he never put nobody in heaven.
Now listen fella maybe you might just think I'm, I'm a liar, and the pope know, and the Roman Catholics know more about this than I do, and I'm just stupid. Now everybody in this building that's ever had anybody to die, that's ever belonged to the Roman Catholic Church, you go back to the cemetery and that's where you'll find the deceased. See that now? Now that's the way it is. Somebody said, 'well you don't understand.' Pope Pius the 12th put Mary in heaven, so they say in May 1950, whole soul, body, and spirit. That was one of the great master miracles that he performed. That's right. And he also promoted the archangel Gabriel, that's the messenger angel, over all the lines of communication: telephones, t.v.'s, radios, and all the lines of communication. He promoted him. That's Pope Pius the 12th. Now those are documented statements. I wouldn't stand up here and say that, nothing like that if it, if it wasn't documented, it's right in our book, and I sent to the Vatican too, the book was.
Now look folks, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that if the Pope could put anybody in heaven it would be a downright disgrace to let Mary the mother of
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God, so they say, and God is a spirit, lay out there in the cemetery all that long time till May 1950, before he put her in heaven. Now that, now that, now that'd be a disgrace to tell anybody that, even if he did do it. It would be a disgrace to let her lay out there that long before he'd go and did something about it, wouldn't you think? That's right.
Now when I come along and tell you something like that then people say, 'well listen here, there's millions of people, 577 million, people that are Roman Catholics that believe the teaching of the church,' as they call it. Okay, now then, look into this. I'll go on. Now, they're digging around under St. Peter's Basilica, digging around under St. Peter's Basilica trying to find the body of Peter, and it's supposed to be right under the altar. And you have had a write up here in the paper here not too long ago about that. Some woman was supposed to have discovered it. Now let's be reasonable about it. Now if Yahshua the Messiah was buried in Joseph's new tomb and He resurrected from the dead and ascended into heaven, Pope Pius the 12th put Mary in heaven whole soul, body, and spirit. And now here's Saint Peter laying down there under St. Peter's Basilica and they can't put him in. Now here's the reason why they can't put him in cause that day that the St. Peter's, listen now, St. Peter's Basilica is founded on, built on, built on Pete. Now there ain't no sense in you being that stupid, just no sense in it at all. Now you know why I said something about that? It's because this temple was here in Moriah, Mount Moriah was builded on the rock. And that rock was not Peter. Now they tried to build there before and dig down in the deepness there and uncover it so that they could have a solid foundation. And you know what was down there? A volcano.
Now look here folks. This temple represented a spiritual, not a physical. Now here Roman Catholicism comes along and built this up, and they built it on Peter. Matthew 16:18. And we're gonna, we're coming back to where we were.
Reader: Matthew 16:18. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I
Dr. Kinley: Now you see, you got the same situation there that you had in John 2:19. And I say unto thee... Now the reason why that question come up, He said, 'Who do men say that I the Son of Man am?' And Peter spoke up and said
Reader: thou are the Messiah, the son of the living Elohim
Dr. Kinley: thou are the Messiah, the son of the living Elohim. Read.
Reader: and Yahshua answered and said unto him
Dr. Kinley: and Yahshua answered and said unto them
Reader: blessed are thou, Simon Bar-jona
Dr. Kinley: blessed are thou, Simon Bar-jona
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Reader: for flesh and blood has
Dr. Kinley: Hold it! Now you wouldn't realize that you was right back into something that concerned the resurrection. You, you wouldn't know that. Now put, hold your finger on that. Matthew 12:40, 12:39 and 40 and we'll be right back.
Reader: but he answered and said unto them an evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;
Dr. Kinley: Now listen this is what I'm talking about.
Reader: then certain of the scribes
Dr. Kinley: then certain of the scribes
Reader: and the Pharisees
Dr. Kinley: and the pharisees
Reader: answered
Dr. Kinley: answered
Reader: saying,
Dr. Kinley: saying,
Reader: Rabbi;
Dr. Kinley: Rabbi;
Reader: we would see a sign from thee.
Dr. Kinley: we would see a sign from thee.
Reader: But he answered and said unto them,
Dr. Kinley: But he answered and said unto them,
Reader: An evil and adulterous generation
Dr. Kinley: An evil and adulterous generation
Reader: seeketh after a sign;
Dr. Kinley: seeketh after a sign;
Reader: and there shall no sign be given
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Dr. Kinley: and there shall no sign be given
Reader: to it,
Dr. Kinley: to it,
Reader: but the sign of the prophet Jonah
Dr. Kinley: but the sign of the prophet Jonah
Reader: For as Jonah was three days
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? Bar-jona, Jonah. Now where he was at, at that time was where the, not the whale, where the, the fish that He had prepared back there with Jonah, and spit him out on dry land. When Jonah, He had told him to go to Nineveh, and he boarded the boat and he was going on his way to Tarshish, where the Apostle Saul come from. And the sea begin to be turbulent, disturbed and great massive waves rose up. And so then Jonah was taken, Jonah was taken, and throwed overboard in the sea and the fish swallowed him up. Is that right? And now the fish was in the, Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, not like you look at days and nights, but as Yahweh looks at it. Now as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, even shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.
Now they had asked him to show them a sign, the Pharisees and scribes there; and so that's what He told them. And did you know, until this day, that isn't understood. Now listen, I ain't got no time to work with that tonight, just ain't got no time to work with it. And that'll carry you all the way back to Genesis, would carry you on, on down in there really good. He was not in the grave no 72 hours, which most folks would call three days and three nights, and the way you would calculate time, no that ain't, that ain't the way it was; and neither was Jonah in the belly of the fish that long. But my point is that I'm trying to get you to see... Now he's come forth to the place where Jonah is going on, that whale is, or the fish, you got whale in the book there, that the fish had spit him out. And so now He asked him the question, 'who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?
Now the Jews, you know what they say about that? Said I told you that, and He said Himself, that He was the son of Joseph, that He was the son of a man, from this verse, and refer you to this too. But here's a man, this incorporeal man, that He was the son of. Is that right? Alright. Now we're to a place, I want you to see the connection now, I want you to see through, and through and understand what I'm talking about, and follow through because it will help.
So now He asked him, He said, 'who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?' And then, who?
Reader: And they said,
Dr. Kinley: Now I want the man's name now.
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Reader: down to 17. And Yahshua answered and said unto him, blessed art thou Simon Bar-jona
Dr. Kinley: blessed art thou Simon Bar-jona. Now that was actually Peter's name. Is that right? Read.
Reader: for flesh and blood has not revealed
Dr. Kinley: Now, now you watch now. You be careful. Cause now this is where they put their stinger on you, Roman Catholics. He said now, for flesh and blood has not revealed this unto you.
Reader: but my Father which is in heaven
Dr. Kinley: but my Father which is in Nazareth
Student Body: No
Dr. Kinley: Joseph. You see the difference? But my Father which is in heaven. Alright. Flesh and blood now. Now Joseph was almost a flesh and blood man, wasn't he? But His Father which is in heaven, flesh and blood don't inherit the kingdom. Now we're trying to straighten up a few things that you just run on and the preacher just got you just running helter skelter telling you all kinds of lies. They did, ya'll never heard a man say anything at all about why he brought that up at this place. Did you ever hear any one say anything like that?
Student Body: No
Dr. Kinley: Alright, read on.
Reader: and I say also unto thee
Dr. Kinley: and I say also unto thee
Reader: that thou art Peter,
Dr. Kinley: that thou art Peter,
Reader: and upon this rock
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute. And upon.., not that He was gonna build it, now He's talking to Peter. Now this is the way its written in their Bible, the Roman Catholic Bible too. Now He said upon this rock, not upon that rock which is Peter. Destroy this temple, not that temple; upon this rock, not that rock. Do you follow? And I could say, what rock? Then make you read what rock. I think I'll do that. 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians.
Reader: 10th chapter, 1st Corinthians
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Dr. Kinley: Alright.
Reader: Moreover brethren
Dr. Kinley: Now, now Peter, Paul don't want you to be ignorant about this. Read on.
Reader: I would not that you should be ignorant,
Dr. Kinley: I would not that you should be ignorant,
Reader: how that all our fathers were
Dr. Kinley: how that all our fathers was under the cloud,
Reader: and all passed through the sea;
Dr. Kinley: and all passed through the sea;
Reader: And were all baptized unto Moses
Dr. Kinley: And were baptized unto Moses
Reader: in the cloud and in the sea;
Dr. Kinley: in the cloud and in the sea;
Reader: and did all eat the same spiritual food;
Dr. Kinley: and did all eat the same spiritual food;
Reader: And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
Dr. Kinley: And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
Reader: for they drank of that spiritual Rock
Dr. Kinley: for they drank of that spiritual Rock
Reader: that went with them:
Dr. Kinley: No hold it! No! No! No! They drank of that spiritual rock, that what?
Reader: that went with them:
Dr. Kinley: That followed.
Student Body: No
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Dr. Kinley: That's what you got in your King James Version. Read that, read that same verse out of the King James Version.
Reader: and did all drink that same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them:
Dr. Kinley: That, that, now they got, see how bad that is. When you don't know nothing about the purpose you can't pick up mistranslations and things of that kind, cause you don't know the purpose. Now what would Yahshua the Messiah, whom they call Jesus Christ, what would He look like following somebody around? That's what it said. And they say that's... Read it David.
Reader: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Dr. Kinley: No, Peter.
Reader: Christ.
Dr. Kinley: Oh man. Now the book does say, if you think it don't I'll read it. Paul said another foundation can no man lay, than that which is already laid. And what was the, who was the foundation?
Student Body: Yahshua the Messiah.
Dr. Kinley: Is that in the book?
Student Body: Yes it is. Right.
Dr. Kinley: Anybody don't think it's in there or think it's necessary for me to read it, I'll take the time to read it to you, put up your hand. Now you see what the rock was. Now go back to.., get father which is in heaven.
Reader: Matthew 16:17 and 18. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
Dr. Kinley: Now see it don't say upon that rock. It says upon this rock. What rock? He's the rock. Who? He who? Yahshua the Messiah, not Peter. Now you see that now, that's just simple and plain enough for anybody, for anybody to see. Is that right? Now you don't have no excuses. And look the Roman Catholic Bible reads that way, and we got four or five of 'em. Good ones.
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Dr. Kinley: Now what I'm really talking about, I'm trying to tell you how you been deceived all of your life, and gullible, running round with a, a prayer book, that ain't no good either. I'm telling you brother, it, it, it, it's awful bad. Now I'm gonna get around to bringing out the subject that I'm trying to tell you about quickly. But that rock, upon this rock, not that rock, Peter, but upon this rock I'll build My church.
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Is that right? And.., now wait a minute. Now what is the church? Congregation or assembly. That's right.
Now you see why they can't move Peter and put him in heaven? Cause St. Peter's Basilica is supposed to be built on Him, and he's supposed to be buried right in under that, right in under the altar. And here Pope Paul went to Geneva where the World Council of Churches meets. And they thought that he oughta have something to say. Well he did go pass. And he said that they wasn't quite ready to come into the World Council of Churches. They were Peter's. 'We are Peter's.' Well where is the Messiah's? That's St. Peter's Basilica, now that's plain talk. They said St. Peter's Basilica. Well where, where's Yahshua the Messiah's? Now that's plain enough, now there's just, now there's no, there's no forgiveness for that kinda stupidity. Alright. Would you think so David?
David Rosen: No I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't think that.
Dr. Kinley: Now then, here's why I brought that up. Now Acts the, which we had there. 17th, verse one. Now this is your church. Now we were talking about St. Peter's Basilica. Now we wanna talk about the Baptists, and the Methodists, and the Presbyterian, and the Unitarian, and the what nots. (LAUGHS) Okay.
Reader: Yahweh, 17:24, Yahweh who made the world and all things therein
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh who made the world and everything therein
Reader: seeing that he is ruler of heaven and earth
Dr. Kinley: seeing that he is ruler of heaven and earth. Course a lotta folks haven't seen that. Alright, read on.
Reader: he dwelleth not in temples made with hands
Dr. Kinley: Now He is not in that building you got down there on the corner that you call the church. He does not dwell in buildings made by lands. Then if He doesn't dwell in buildings made by hands then what, where, where does He dwell? Now then you pick'd up a whole lot of folks on this one. Jehovah's Witnesses said the spirit of God or the spirit of Jehovah is not in any man, but it's a vital force upon him. Now if He don't dwell in the building and He ain't dwelling in any man, then where is He? Do you see? I Corinthians 6:19 and 20.
Reader: What?
Dr. Kinley: But let's hold it. WHAT? That's an interrogation or an interrogative statement. WHAT?
Reader: know ye not
Dr. Kinley: Don't you know, that's what we're putting on our father's sophisticated ignorance, don't you know that? Read on.
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Reader: Know ye, know ye not that your body
Dr. Kinley: Don't you know that your body
Reader: is the temple of the Holy Spirit
Dr. Kinley: is the temple of the Holy Spirit
Reader: which is in you,
Dr. Kinley: Hold it! Not St. Peter's Basilica, not that church down on the corner. Now you're gonna have to buy it, now that's all there is to it. But your body is the temple. He don't dwell in temples made by hands. Was your body made by hands?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Read on.
Reader: Which is in you,
Dr. Kinley: Now what is, no, its not in nobody, Jehovah's Witnesses saying. How in the world is people gonna lay a Bible wide open like that and look right in it, and then stand right up and say the Holy Spirit is not in any man. How in the world they gonna read Acts 2:4 and 6, and down through there. On the Day of Pentecost they were sitting there in the upper room, and suddenly the Holy Spirit was poured out and the cloven tongues of fire set, set upon each one of them. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And the room at which they were sitting was filled. Is that right? And they were all a vital force upon them.
Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Alright, is that what it is? Don't you see people. It, it, it, it's awful bad. You've been just so badly deceived. You'd be surprised to learn how stupid and ignorant that our pastors, our leaders, have been. Just don't know nothing. Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Read.
Reader: Which is in you,
Dr. Kinley: Which is in you,
Reader: Which ye have of Elohim,
Dr. Kinley: Now which you have of Elohim or of God as it would be said. Read.
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Reader: and ye are not your own?
Dr. Kinley: Now look, and ye are not your own. You don't have no body, we just called it our body. You are not your own. You understand? You have your body of Him and you are not your own. Now if it belongs to Him, and it's His temple, now wouldn't He have a right to dwell in it? Read on.
Reader: for ye are bought with a price:
Dr. Kinley: you are bought with a price:
Reader: therefore glorify Yahweh in
Dr. Kinley: therefore glorify Yahweh
Reader: in your body,
Dr. Kinley: in your body,
Reader: and in your spirit,
Dr. Kinley: and in your spirit,
Reader: which are his.
Dr. Kinley: which are his. How about that? Now that's a long way from St. Peter's Basilica. That's a long way from that building you got setting down there on the corner. You see that? Is that right?
Now look. I have to tell you about this, I'll tell you real quick. Now this is the temple here. This is the tabernacle, this is the tabernacle. Now in Leviticus 16:2, I ain't gonna take up the time to have you read it, Yahweh said that He would dwell between the wings of the cherubims in the Most Holy Place, that He would appear there. Is that right? And when the high priest went in there and threw that blood towards the mercy seat on this Ark of the Covenant, these two cherubims of glory and this cloud up here, why then He appeared sitting there on the mercy seat to the high priest.
And this tabernacle is the symbolical of your earthly body. And the temple.., now this, this, this tabernacle was.., you could move it around from place to place. They, they, they brought it up out of Egypt, they really brought the material out of Egypt that this is made out of and builded it out here in the wilderness. And they moved it around, followed the cloud around, and finally by and by at the end of 40 years, they could cross through the River Jordan and went into Canaan Land. And after a duration of time, they placed the tabernacle on Mount Moriah, on Mount Sion. Is that almost right? Then when it was.., they builded the temple.., now this is, this is a figure of an earth house. They builded the temple and then they dismantled this and moved it into.., dismantled the tabernacle and moved it into the temple. Now here's what you got there. Now you wouldn't see this in 10
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million years unless Yahweh sent somebody along to point it out to you. Somebody said, 'well look here, the temple was before the tabernacle.' Oh no, you're wrong about that. That's what they say.
Man: The tabernacle was before the temple.
Dr. Kinley: The tabernacle was before the temple, that's what they say, the tabernacle was before the temple. That's in chronological order. They assume that, they assume. That's an assumed chronological order. That's not the way it is though. Now here, let me show you what I'm talking about. See now, Yahweh as pure spirit.., that that's what you see has already been builded. In this state or condition, He was inconceivable, incomprehensible, just concealed. So, now, He's composed of these attributes. Now we got 9 attributes, such as wisdom and knowledge, and intelligence and so forth and so on. Now then, these come.., this is inorganic this way, but when they were organized, then they're moved into this shape and form, the shape and the form of a man. Adam was made in the likeness and image of this incorporeal, this is not a physical, this is a spiritual form.
Now then, that's what we're talking about, the body, the temple that was in heaven. So now then, this pattern, this is the breakdown, this tabernacle is the breakdown of this body. Got a Most Holy Place, a Holy Place, and a, and a Court Around About. You got a head cavity, chest cavity, and abdominal cavity. In other words it's 1, 2...
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Dr. Kinley: Mt. of Elohim, or as you would say the mount of God. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: But he didn't, he didn't ascend to this mountain. Talking about____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. He ascended from the Mt. of Olives, about a sabbath day's journey. And He was up above them. Is that right? He ascended. Now Dr. Harris and, and Dr. Wilbur, Wilbur Traynum and somebody, somebody else.
Man: Burbank Mitchell
Dr. Kinley: Dr. Burbank Mitchell. They stood on the Mount of Olives with me. And we imitated this figure. Is that right Dr. Harris? He was right there. He took the picture. Is that right, ____ ____ ____. You were there. This is the Mount of Olives ____ ____ ____ ____ and these two men stood by. Now read that in Acts of Apostles there. 1st chapter.
Reader: And while, the 10th verse, and while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold two men stood by them in white apparel.
Dr. Kinley: I want the Mt. of Olives, please. 12th verse.
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Reader: The returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olive, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. He ascended from the Mount of Olives, that's what I'm trying to, trying to get across. I want to show you that He ascended from the Mount of Olives, and this picture was right. Now here's why these two men stood by, two men, and what'd you say, a cloud received them out of their sight?
Reader: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that what you got in the Book. Now you see, folks listen, everybody pay attention. The reason why we know what we're talking about down here in this school, we know how to put these things together. We know how to prove the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy, the absolute infallibility of the scriptures. Now I've said a mouthful there. The correlations, we know about the metaphors and the allegories, isn't that right? And these people just mess it all up bad. Now here's, here's a mountain as far as the Mount of Olives, which is about a sabbath day's journey. And He ascended from that Mount of Olives, this cloud received Him out of their sight. Is that what it says there.
Now why did He go to the Mount of Olives? This was the highest mountain in that area. Now, pay attention now. Now the Mount of Olives correlates with the Garden of Eden. And the tree of knowledge of good and evil was not a apple tree, it was a olive tree. And Yahweh told Adam not to eat or to touch that tree, that O Live tree. I'm trying to break it down so you can see what I'm talking about. And the day that he ate or touched that tree, the fruit of that tree, he would surely die, that is to mean he wouldn't live. Now Yahshua the Messiah has died, resurrected from the dead, never gonna die no more, he paid the penalty to.., for our redemption back to Yahweh. Now He's never gonna die no more so it's a.., He had to go out to the Mount, the highest elevated mountain that there was, and He's gonna be O living forever! (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: He ain't gonna be buried? How about that? Now more ____ I told you.
Now you see why He went out there? Somebody said, 'well, how does that, where's that at in the Bible?' We know where everything's at. Now if you got down there, you would have, have to stand your lesson, the 8th chapter of Romans and you read right on over it and never paid no attention to it. Talk's about the Gentiles uncultivated olive trees, but the Jews, they were cultivated. 'Cultivated, what do you mean?' They had the types and the shadows and all to bring them up to Yahshua the Messiah, so they were cultivated; in other words, they were educated in the types and the shadows to bring them up to the reality of it, or to the spirit. You follow what I mean? And then they were, listen now, 8th chapter of Romans, maybe you better read it. Somebody might think I'm quoting something wrong because they didn't know they always thought it was an apple
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tree back there cause Adam's apple got lodged in the throat. Read 25 and 26.
Reader: Romans 11:17
Dr. Kinley: Oh, we're in Romans 11:17. 11th chapter.
Reader: and if some of the branches be broken off
Dr. Kinley: and if some of the branches be broken off. Now you see what you do there? You make me have to go back over there in the 15th chapter of Saint John. I am the true vine you are the branches, every branch that don't bear fruit, the Father takes it away. Is that right? 15th chapter. And Paul was saying here, now what if some of the branches were broken off? And then, then the Gentiles, they were grafted in. Then they would say that they was broken off so that they could be grafted in. And look here folks, while we're talking about that, get that, get that verse and read it. I want, just want to show you something. I wanna show you how stupid you been all your life.
Reader: Saint John 15:1
Dr. Kinley: No, no. I just quoted that, I ain't got time to work with that.
Reader: and if some of the branches be broken off
Dr. Kinley: Now if some of the branches be broken off
Reader: thou, being a wild olive tree,
Dr. Kinley: You being a wild or uncultivated tree, you wasn't given the types and the shadows and the law and the covenant, so you were wild, worshipping idols, and then ____ ____ ____ ____. Read on.
Reader: wert grafted in among them
Dr. Kinley: Now you were grafted in. Now wait a minute. Do you make a graft down in the roots?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Try reading that again
Reader: and if some of the branches are
Dr. Kinley: Now what, did you see it said branches. Now in the 15th chapter it says branches, of John, says branches. Well why would you let your Baptist preacher or, or the rest of these preachers stand up and tell you that you got to be planted? How about that? Don't you know the difference between a graft and a plant? You see it now? Now they, they were grafted among the branches, please not the roots. 6th chapter of Romans. Now we're, we're coming back to
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that. We're coming back to it.
Reader: 6th chapter of Romans. What shall we say then?
Dr. Kinley: Now what'll we say then? Somebody said, 'well, what, what are you talking about?' Now here's where they apply that. Now here were Baptists, we all been baptized into Jesus Christ. Now what shall we say then? ____ ____ ____. We're Roman Catholics, we been baptized...
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Reader: Shall we continue in sin?
Dr. Kinley: Now then they'll say to you, Say, 'the book says, shall we continue in sin?'
Reader: that grace may abound?
Dr. Kinley: that grace may abound. That's unmerited, didn't earn it at all, that grace may abound. Read.
Reader: Elohim forbid.
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh forbid.
Reader: How shall we that are dead to sin
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute now! Now I wanna know this. How shall we that are dead
Reader: to sin,
Dr. Kinley: to sin,
Reader: live any longer therein?
Dr. Kinley: live any longer therein. Then what are you doing running backwards and forwards to the confession? Did you ever see a dead man get up and go confess something that he done something? I'm just, now I'm just showing you how stupid and silly we been. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein. Don't you know. Read.
Reader: Know ye not, that so many of us
Dr. Kinley: Don't you know that so many and us Baptists
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Methodists.
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Student Body: No!
Dr. Kinley: Roman Catholics.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Oh, well. Jews then, will you buy that?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Okay, Jews.
Reader: Know ye not,
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Let's see where it is. I'll baptize them, yes, John baptized them, didn't baptize no Gentiles. Why was that then? Cause He's fulfilling, there wasn't nobody but Jews that come out here and was baptized in the, in the Red Sea. And you read that tonight in the 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians. Then John therefore couldn't baptize no Gentiles; in other words, he couldn't plant no Gentiles. Why did your Baptist preacher, those Roman Catholics, they'd even go so far as, as get infants. And here that baby just come out of the womb. An infant, just come out of, come out of a bag of water in the womb, just like Adam. The earth was covered over with water. 3rd day waters was moved off of the face of the earth, and on the 6th day Yahweh picked, took that man out of the bowels and womb of mother earth. How about that? You have to know how to make them correlations and go from one place to the other. Know ye not that so many of us, the Jews,
Reader: as were baptized unto Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Kinley: that were baptized unto Yahshua the Messiah
Reader: were baptized into his death?
Dr. Kinley: Now wait just a minute. Wait just a minute. They were baptized into His death. Therefore they had to be baptized before He died in order to be baptized into His death. He's not dead now, all you folks that think He's dead. You're a good Baptist, got news for you, He's not dead, He resurrected from the dead. Absolutely impossible for you to baptize anybody into his death. Why? Because, cause He's not dead. That's why John had to baptize 'em before He died in order to baptize 'em into His death, and he didn't baptize nobody but the Jews into His death. For as many os us, the Jews, that were baptized into Yahshua the Messiah, was baptized into His death. Alright, read on.
Reader: therefore we are
Dr. Kinley: therefore, that reading, therefore we are buried
Reader: with him by baptism
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Dr. Kinley: Says the Jews was buried with Him by the, that's a plant, that's a burial, not a graft, buried with Him.
Reader: by baptism into his death
Dr. Kinley: by baptism into his death
Reader: that
Dr. Kinley: What's that all about? Read.
Reader: That like as Yahshua was raised up from the dead
Dr. Kinley: like as Yahshua was raised up from the dead
Reader: By the glory of the Father
Dr. Kinley: by the glory of the Father
Reader: Even so we also should walk in the newness of life
Dr. Kinley: Even so we also should walk in the newness of life
Reader: for if we have been planted
Dr. Kinley: Hold it! The Jew was planted, you were grafted. Don't argue with me, I know what I'm talking about. See what I mean? How 'bout that? I want to let you know this too. There was a whole lotta Jews that went to John's baptism, and John looked at 'em and he said this, Pharisees and the scribes, said, 'What did you come out here in the wilderness for? You come out here to see the wind blow the weeds around, or weeds taken by the wind?' Is that right? Oh I'm telling you. 'Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?' That's what he said. 'Come out here to see the wind blow the weeds around.' Just a daisy. Now it say that, know ye not that many of us that was planted or buried.
Reader: For if we had been planted together in the
Dr. Kinley: Now been planted
Reader: together in the likeness of his death
Dr. Kinley: In the likeness now, in the likeness of His death before He died. Read on.
Reader: we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection
Dr. Kinley: We shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection. Read.
Reader: Knowing this,
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Dr. Kinley: Knowing this,
Reader: that our
Dr. Kinley: No speculation with it, and guessing about it.
Reader: Knowing this that our old man is crucified with him
Dr. Kinley: Now, now wait just a minute doc. Now a whole lot of us folks been baptized ____ full of the devil (LAUGHS) you know that. Now let's be honest about it, That's what's got you running backward and forwards to the confession, just as full of the devil as you can be, and you know it. Ain't that right. ____ ____ ____ crucified with Him. That's what He was manifested for was to make an end of sin, to do away with sin. Alright, read.
Reader: Knowing this that our old man
Dr. Kinley: Knowing that our old man
Reader: is crucified with him
Dr. Kinley: crucified with him
Reader: that the body of sin might be destroyed
Dr. Kinley: That the body of sin might be destroyed, disintegrated. Alright, read.
Reader: that henceforth we should not serve sin
Dr. Kinley: Now from now on the Jews he's talking about, from there on, what?
Reader: we should not serve sin.
Dr. Kinley: Now we should not serve sin.
Reader: For he that is dead is free from sin.
Dr. Kinley: For he that.., you don't sin when you laying out there dead. Every morning you get up, ____ ____. That's what Paul said. That's what Paul said, he had to kill hisself, he died daily, he had to crucify the old man, had to crucify Paul. Don't let him get out, don't let him get his feet out on the floor ____ ____, just kill him, kill him certain, if you don't he's gonna get you in trouble. Read on.
Reader: 8th verse. Now if we be dead with the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: Now if we be dead with the Messiah,
Reader: we believe that we shall also live with him:
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Dr. Kinley: We believe that we shall also live with him:
Reader: Knowing that Yahshua
Dr. Kinley: Knowing that Yahshua
Reader: being raised from the dead
Dr. Kinley: We, we ain't talking about baptizing nobody into His death. We know he's been resurr... We know that, He's raised from the dead.
Reader: died no more;
Dr. Kinley: Died, He ain't gonna die no more.
Reader: Death has no more dominion over him.
Dr. Kinley: Death has no more dominion over Him
Reader: For in that he died
Dr. Kinley: in that he died once
Reader: he died unto sin once but in that he liveth, he liveth unto Elohim
Dr. Kinley: There, He liveth unto Elohim. Read the 11th verse.
Reader: Likewise
Dr. Kinley: No wait. Hold it! Hold it! Hold on. Hold it. Hold it now. Romans are gentiles. Now he got likewise here. Look at that. Likewise, what?
Reader: reckon ye also yourselves
Dr. Kinley: No, go and get baptized ____ ____ ____ baptism. No you don't, you just reckon, reckon yourselves. Don't go do it, but just reckon yourselves. Abraham accounted, or He reckoned, that He's mine and Yahweh told him to offer up Isaac, he do that? Somebody said, 'well he didn't, he didn't kill him.' Yes he did. He put him to death and reckoned in his mind that Yahweh was able to raise him from the dead, that his seed might continue on. That's what the book says. So you don't go jump in no water, you just reckon, reckon yourselves to be dead.
Reader: Indeed unto sin
Dr. Kinley: unto sin
Reader: but live unto Elohim
Dr. Kinley: but live
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Reader: through Yahshua the Messiah our savior
Dr. Kinley: that through Yahshua, or live unto Yahshua our Savior.
Reader: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal members
Dr. Kinley: No, no, no you just, you're full of sin. People have just messed this Bible up so badly. They say everything you do is a sin, chewing tobacco is a sin, eating pork is a sin, smoking cigarettes is a sin, just breathing is a sin. Everything you do is a sin. The devil got you all burdened down with all this junk and stuff, make a sinner out of you just every kinda way. Got you running around trying to wash away your sins in water out there. Know good and well that you can go take a bar of soap and get in some water, and you won't hardly get yourself good and clean with that, you might have to use a little deodorant after you come out of that. Water just don't wash away sin, that's what I'm talking about.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now go back to the 8th chapter of Romans. The 11th, that's what I said, the 11th verse. Reckon yourself to be dead but alive.
Reader: Boast not against the branches
Dr. Kinley: Now just, know ye not about these branches was broken off. Read, read that about the branches being broken off.
Reader: and if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree.
Dr Kinley: Now that's why I tried to show you. Now the Gentiles were a wild olive tree, they were uncultivated, meaning that they never had the law in first place. Ain't nobody said nothing to you about eating no Lord's Supper. It ain't in no almanac to say nothing about being it in the Bible. You can't find one verse from Genesis to Revelations in there, where the Lord, God, Jesus Christ, Yahweh,
Elohim, or Yahshua ever said anything in the history of the world about a gentile getting baptized in physical water. If you think it's in the Bible, read it to me tonight, I never read it. Go ahead and read it you good, you good Bible students, been runnin' around in these churches out there all your life. Read to me where he ever given any carnal ordinances at all. Water baptism is a carnal ordinance. Circumcision is a carnal ordinance, Lord's Supper or feast of the passover is a carnal ordinance. There ain't nothing in the Bible about you eating none. How about that? Now wouldn't that shake you up? I told you you to expect to learn something when you come down here. Now all of you put together as many people as there is in this building here, they got reference Bibles and first one thing then the other, they oughta be able to read me at least one verse.
BELL RINGS
Dr. Kinley: The bell's rung. Ain't nobody never read nothing like that in no Bible.
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Now here's what I wanna show you. Now you was grafted in as Gentiles. You were.., the branches were bro.., the branches, not the roots, were broken off, and then the Gentiles were grafted in where they were broken off. Now, I told you that some of 'em that went to John's baptism they, they went on out there and John asked 'em about what they came out there for. And they rejected John's baptism, the Jews I'm talking about, they wouldn't be baptized. Now if they refused, and.., to be baptized before He died. Now listen at what I'm gonna say? It was too late for them to ever be baptized. Now I have to prove that. It's too late for anyone else to be baptized. The Jews I said. Read.
Reader: Boast not against the branches
Dr. Kinley: Boast not against the branches
Reader: But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root,
Dr. Kinley: Thou bearest not the root.
Reader: but the root thee.
Dr. Kinley: But the root beareth thee.
Reader: Thou wilt say then,
Dr. Kinley: Thou wilt say then,
Reader: The branches were broken off
Dr. Kinley: The branches were broken off
Reader: that I might be grafted in
Dr. Kinley: that I might be grafted in. Now that's what I been telling you, and that's a olive tree. Alright, read on.
Reader: Well; because of unbelief
Dr. Kinley: Well; because of unbelief. That's how they were, they didn't believe that Yahshua the Messiah was the Savior. They didn't believe that He was the one that was to come. And if they had believed it, they would not have crucified Him. You follow what I mean? They questioned His authority. And now, well; because of unbelief
Reader: they were broken off
Dr. Kinley: they were broken off
Reader: and thou standeth by faith
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Dr. Kinley: Uh, oh. No, now wait a minute. You're planted in the baptism.
Student Body: No
Dr. Kinley: Thou standeth by faith. Read.
Reader: Be not high-minded.
Dr. Kinley: Now don't be high-minded like that pope over yonder, and not your pastor over there, high-minded, can't nobody tell him nothing. He thinks he's all smartened up and he don't know straight up. And you just know water baptism was right. How do you know it's right? 'Oh, they been doing that for so long, I just know that's right. Lord's Supper, we've been having them ever since.., and we just know that's right, there ain't no need of looking in the Bible, we know that's right. Footwashing? Yeah, that's right. We know that's right. 'And now not a one of them carnal ordinances, Yahweh, in no history of the world ever given a Gentile and your Bible don't say that. That is not in the Bible. Now that's bad, wouldn't you say? Alright, read. Read on Dr. Harris.
Reader: Be not high-minded, but fear.
Dr. Kinley: Be not high-minded. But fear. Read.
Reader: For if Yahweh spared not the natural branches
Dr. Kinley: Now if Yahweh didn't spare the Jews, the natural branches. He didn't spare 'em. Alright, broke 'em on off.
Reader: take heed, lest he also spare not thee
Dr. Kinley: Take heed, lest he also spare not thee. Now pay attention folks. Read on.
Reader: behold therefore
Dr. Kinley: Behold therefore
Reader: the goodness
Dr. Kinley: the goodness of Yahweh
Reader: and severity
Dr. Kinley: And the severity of Yahweh.
Reader: on them which fell
Dr. Kinley: on them which fell severity.
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Reader: but toward thee
Dr. Kinley: but toward thee
Reader: goodness
Dr. Kinley: Goodness.
Reader: if thou continue in his goodness
Dr. Kinley: If you continue in His goodness. Alright, read on.
Reader: otherwise thou also shall be cut off
Dr. Kinley: Also the Gentiles that was, that was grafted in. He'll break you off too. How about that? Don't be blowing and boasting around here about we're the first church, Roman Catholic Church. Church of Christ, we advocate high-minded, the pope is the ruler of the world. All along like that jive and stuff. Yahweh break you off. Alright, read on.
Reader: and they also
Dr. Kinley: And they also. Now watch this one. I told you it was too late for the Jews to get baptized, them that rejected it. After he resurrected from the dead, that, that's too late. Alright, read.
Reader: and they also
Dr. Kinley: and they also
Reader: and they abide not still in unbelief
Dr. Kinley: Now if they didn't continue in unbelief
Reader: shall be grafted in
Dr. Kinley: No, Doc, planted! Can't you read? You see that now? You'd be surprised how stupid we've been all of our lives. If they was broken off, them branches, that the Gentiles grafted in instead. And the reason why they was broken off was because of unbelief. Now, now not the roots, but out of the branches. Now then there it's too late for him. But if he don't continue ____ in unbelief, then Yahweh will graft him in back among the branches, won't plant him now, too late. Graft him in again. How's that? Grafted in. In other words, folks, let's look at it like this...
BELL RINGS
Dr. Kinley: The bell. The tree is planted and its grown up, it's bearing fruit. If they, see no planting there, you just gather the fruit. You don't plant it, you just
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go ahead... That's right. See that? Oh I hope you got something out of it. I didn't get to the place I wanted to.
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