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Dave:Hey everybody, welcome to Funnel Hacker Radio. I'm your host Dave Woodward. Super excited today. I've got two guys I've only met virtually but were referred to me by one of our co-founders Dylan Jones. I want to introduce these guys because they've got some really cool content and some crazy things they're doing as far as marketing courses, how they actually do it. I want to bring on Brad and Miguel. Welcome guys.Brad:Thank you so much for having us. We really appreciate it Dave.Miguel:Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.Dave:Brad Hart and Miguel Hernandez. They actually are kind of a crazy thing. They met and spoke with Dylan, one of our co-founders, at another event earlier this year. We're talking about all the different things that they were doing and Dylan's like, "Dave, you have to get them on the podcast." Super excited to have you guys here. If you guys don't mind, why don't you jump in real quick for a little back story and tell us real quick how the two of you guys met because that's going to segue into the Udemy conversation I want to have in just a minute.Brad:Sure thing Dave. Actually, we met, it's kind of a funny story. I met Dan Martell in an event and Dan and I hit it off. He's the founder of Clarity and a couple of other really great startups. He invites me over to his place, kind of in this little clandestine fashion. He's like, "Hey man, I'm going to do this founders dinner at my house." I'm like, "Where's your house?" He's like, "Moncton, New Brunswick." I look on a map, Moncton, New Brunswick is east of the New York time zone, so I had to get on three different planes to get there. I said, "All right Dan, I'll be there." "It's going to be a small intimate gathering, a lot of great entrepreneur, seven and eight figure people." I'm like, "Okay, cool."(1:51) I get on three planes to get there. On my second layover, I had a couple hours to kill. I think I was in Toronto. I'm looking through my emails and messing around and I see an email from Udemy. They do these flash sales. For ten dollars, you can buy a lot of different courses, you might want to check out on Udemy. One of the courses that was being sold was How to Create an Awesome Online Course. I'm like, "[inaudible 00:02:11]. I love it. Let me buy it." That was the first course I ever bought on Udemy and I didn't really pay attention who it was by. I watched a few modules and I forgot about it, got on my plane and went to the dinner.Later that night, I'm at Dan's house and we're sitting around and we're hanging out with his family and meeting everybody. He's going around the table asking everybody to introduce themselves. Miguel was there so he starts talking about how he creates these amazing awesome demo explainer videos. They're animated. He's done it for Walmart and Microsoft and a bunch of other really great startups. Then he also has this other online course business through Udemy.He's actually one of the top Udemy instructors. He has over eighteen thousand students and nine courses under his belt. I said, "Hey, I just bought my first Udemy course today." He's like, "What's it called?" "How to Create an Awesome Online Course." He's like, "Wait a second. Hold on. You're telling me you bought ... Who's it by?" Like, "Miguel Hernandez." He's like, "That's me. I'm Miguel Hernandez." I'm like, "Wait a second. I bought your course on the way to meet you. I had no idea you're going to be here. Not premeditated whatsoever." I'm like, "This is not a coincidence. There's definitely going to be something in our future together." It was really exciting for me.Dave:I think that's awesome.Miguel:That's pretty amazing. Considering the fact that Udemy has tens of thousands of courses, I think statistically, this happening was very, very unusual.Dave:I think that one thing that I want to make sure people understand, and again, that's why I love having you on the podcast here, Miguel, is a lot of people don't understand what Udemy is and how to actually use it especially to use it as a lead gen, Tripwire type of an offer. A lot of our users, a lot of people on ClickFunnels, they got products, they've got courses, but they're always trying to find different ways of marketing them, and everyone's heard as far as Tripwire and giving these things away free or at a little cost as far as either a Lead Mac or Tripwire type of stuff. I want you to talk, if you don't mind Miguel, about how this actually works, how did you ... Again, it's U-D-E-M-.Miguel:That's right.Dave:For those of you who are listening. That way we can understand really the marketing magic behind how it works from a lead gen standpoint and how you've been able to take that, literally having eighteen thousand students and really build a business off of that. Do you mind, if you have a few minutes for that?Miguel:(4:23) Of course. First of all, a little bit background on Udemy. Udemy is probably one of the top online course marketplaces in the world today. It's very easy to ... Anybody that has an idea for a course can upload it there for free and immediately start getting sales. It started about five years ago. I was one of the original instructors, published nine courses there and did very well. Eighteen thousand students and it's grown dramatically in that marketplace. They raised over a hundred million dollars and now they have like over twenty thousand instructors there. It's just a great place to easily go, upload your course and start making money right away. Now, as a lead generation resource, it's awesome because Udemy does all the marketing for you. If you don't have any marketing ideas, it's a huge marketplace. Just think of like Amazon, Amazon for courses. You upload your course there and then they drive a lot of traffic. Obviously the course has to be good. Then you can start gathering students and the students and students.I get asked this question a lot, how can I leverage Udemy as a lead generation source? It's very simple. What you can do is just upload like maybe a short course. It could be either free or very cheap just to attract a lot of attention. It could be a subset or a little part of a bigger course. Then what Udemy allows you to do is in the last lecture, it's called a bonus lecture, you can promote any other product outside of Udemy. It could be an upsell to the course. It could be a webinar. It could be a program. It could be a product. That's what most people are using today. They are leveraging their ability to use that bonus lecture to drive traffic to their own products. That's the main strategy that you can use on Udemy.Dave:(6:09) That’s very cool. How large do these courses need to be? I mean, obviously people want to get value and content out of it, it can't just be an infographic type of thing. What's in a course? What do they really need to look as far ... What do they need to create to be able to get it done?Miguel:Originally, they just could upload anything, but over the years they really want to increase the quality of the courses there. There's actually an approval process and it actually is good because it helps you make sure that your own course that you upload there, it meets a lot of criteria. For example, you cannot upload lectures that are longer than twenty minutes. You cannot upload like a three-hour webinar. You have to break it down into pieces. Everything has to be named. There has to be descriptions. The pricing also, it's limited between twenty and fifty dollars which was a recent change actually. You have to upload a nice quality thumbnail. Anyways, there's a whole approval process. Once your course approved, then you know for sure and they know for sure it's at a level where it's okay to start for them to promote it.Dave:Very cool. Now that they start promoting it and you mentioned you get some money on it one or two different ways. You want to explain that real quick?Miguel:Yeah, of course. Basically it's a big marketplace and Udemy behaves like a humongous affiliate for you. Like a typical affiliate, if they promote your courses on your behalf to their market team funnels and efforts, then they keep fifty percent of each sale. If you're selling that course for fifty bucks, they'll keep twenty five dollars and you keep twenty five dollars. If you bring your own students to Udemy through your own marketing efforts, let's say through a coupon, then they track that and then you keep ninety-seven percent of the sale and only they keep the credit card processing fees. It's awesome. It's a free hosting platform and if you bring your own students, then you keep most of the money.Dave:(8:08) Awesome. This is not a commercial for Udemy, but at the same time I want to make sure that people understand how it works because it is an opportunity for you to be able to use it as a lead source especially for a lot of users who have a bunch of content anyways, and they got all this content, they're trying different ways either re-purposing the content or using it as a means to generate additional, not necessarily revenue as much as a lead gen opportunity. I think it's fantastic avenue if you take a look at it that way. Obviously at the same time, you guys as you were looking at it found there was some issues or problems, so how does ClickFunnels fit into all this kind of stuff and what's been the next [crosstalk 00:08:48].Brad:Before we get off Udemy, we just want to mention that we actually created a Twenty Things we Wish we Knew Before Getting on Udemy kind of download for the listeners.Dave:Awesome.Brad:If they're interested in checking that out, they can. It's at cf. We actually put together a whole package of bonuses, et cetera. Actually ClickFunnels has been completely just instrumental. I mean, from the moment I started using it about two years ago ...Dave:Brad, I'm going to stop you for a second there.Brad:Sure.Dave:I want to make sure people got that link. Tell them again what the title of that was.Brad:Sure. There's a couple different downloads on the link. It's cf for ClickFunnels. You guys can go check it out. We have a bunch of free marketing strategies both paid and things you could do without spending a single dollar to market your courses. There's also a PDF download, Twenty Things We Wish We Knew Before Going On Udemy with our courses. Then we've also added a free trial month to Thinkific there as well. That's really fantastic. A bunch of value there you guys can check it out of you like in the show notes or go to the link cf.Dave:All right. Continue what you're saying. Sorry about that.Brad:(9:56) Yeah, no worries. Thanks Dave. The ClickFunnels platform has just been incredible. I mean, if you guys know anything about creating sales funnels, creating landing pages, creating squeeze pages, creating copy, it used to take tens of thousands of dollars, it used to take an entire team to do this. Now, since Russel and Todd and Dylan came together, there's now a tool where you can basically put together your sales funnel, be live in selling courses in five minutes or less. When I showed this to Miguel for the first time down at Traffic & Conversion, he was blown away, like seriously. He used to code all of this himself. He used to build and design all these pages himself.Miguel:Yeah.Brad:You guys know, if you're already on this podcast listening, you understand the value of this tool. For a course creator, you don't want to focus on all these different pieces of creation. When I actually met Dylan through Dan, again, we made a video and we reached out and asked me a couple of questions. I was telling him about a few different things, because my background is actually a financial guy. I was a hedge fund manager for a number of years and started my own hedge fund. Anyway, that's a little bit of digression. When I first met Dylan, he actually really took a liking to Miguel and I and offered to make us five templates, which is really cool, for course instructors. It's been absolutely instrumental in the success of us and the success of our students in getting up and running very quickly with a sales funnel that works to convert people from prospects to paying students for courses.Dave:That's awesome. I know you've got a ton of different content and products, and mostly importantly, you have the opportunity of working with a lot of students. I love interviewing people who've had a lot of student experience because as you look at that kind of stuff, you see a lot of things as far as mistakes people make, the problems people run into, and we've got people on our podcast where some people are new to this, others have been doing this for a long time. What would you say are some of the pitfalls and things that people run up against when they're making a course and now they want to market it? What do they need to do and what types of advice can you give them?Brad:Why don't you jump in Miguel?Miguel:(11:58) All right. One of the main issues, and I'm talking from my own experience after five years on Udemy is that you can be a great teacher, you can have an amazing course, and there could be even a lot of people that want to take that course, the part that most people have an issue with is getting those first sales. Whether it's on Udemy or whether it's on your own. Now, Udemy is going to do the best they can to promote courses, but remember now there's like over twenty thousand courses so it's very competitive and it gets harder everyday. I've seen that over the years, although I have nine courses, is that I have to keep creating courses in order to get sales.A lot of my students that take my course creation tool, they're like, "I created this course and I'm not getting any sales." The main issue is that they are neglecting the marketing part, and that is so essential. You can be a great teacher and have an amazing course, but if you don't know how to create a funnel and how to attract traffic through that funnel and convert it, then you're never going to be successful. That's something that I keep seeing people having trouble with and that's something that I'm getting better at and that we're helping other students to get better at.Dave:If a person's got a course that want to get it out there, what do you find in ... Obviously, Udemy's kind of has the twenty to fifty dollar course. A lot of the people who are on this podcast are listening to this thing going, "My course is in the hundreds if not thousands of dollars." Tell me what are the traffic sources you guys are using to help drive people to their different courses and what are the type of sales funnels and things? Obviously the most important thing here is people want to make money on this podcast, so tell us ...Miguel:Of course.Dave:... how can they actually do that?Brad:That's a great question Dave. We have multiple different ways we generate course traffic, traffic to our courses and funnels. Let's just run down the list. Obviously there's content marketing, and that's a really I think important and under-utilized resource. We have a very good friend named Sujan Patel who's one of the best content marketers out there and he teaches very basic consistent principles for just making great 10x content and then promoting it really effectively to generate leads that are, we call them pull leads instead of push leads. You're not pushing or paying for these leads. These are people who are really genuinely interested in you and what you want to teach and your branding and all that. Those are usually typically very high quality warm to hot leads. There's that. That's the base of everything.(14:25) Then, we generate traffic from Facebook. We have Jesse Doubek who gives us some really great strategies from the Fan Page Traffic Academy which he used to help Brennan Bechard build his page to four point two million likes. That's been really awesome. We're also talking to Sanjay Gupta about Facebook ads. We've hired our own team for Facebook ads as well. That's another great lead generation source, but it just takes a little bit of time and money honestly to dial in. We're just going from free and it just takes a bit of time. Now we're talking paid. The next person we've been working with is a guy named Jake Larsen. Jake Larsen's one of the top YouTube ads guys. He actually spoke at Traffic & Conversion a couple of years ago as a keynote speaker. He's managed millions of dollars in spend for billion dollar brands and he just has a really wonderful grasp on YouTube.The list goes on but those have been the main three strategies; content marketing, YouTube, and Facebook. Then we also do podcast and other different things. We're also doing now a lot of co-branded webinars and JV partners. I really feel like the difference between a five or six figure launch and a seven and an eight figure launch, and we have several friends that have done, you know, they cracked the ten million mark on their courses, have been because of JV and affiliate partnerships. That's the secret old school method. You build a relationship with somebody with a big list. If it's a mutually valuable transaction, it's a win for them, it's a win for you, it's a win for your students, that's where you'll really breakthrough to the seven or eight figure mark. If you really want to make great money, you need to start going to masterminds. You need to start networking with people. You need to start adding value in a non-needy but generative and building those relationships over time because that's really where the big windfalls come from.Dave:(16:10) That is fantastic. I want to spend just a few minutes on a couple of things there. As far as Facebook ads, we had Jesse on one of first podcast and things, I know Jesse and what he does. The real issue we always run up against with Facebook ads is people always struggle as far as, how much it's going to cost? What type of revenue do I need to be taking a look at?Brad:Sure.Dave:When you're talking with your students and stuff, what do you look at as far as an ad spend? What should they look at? How much is it going to cost? All that kind of stuff.Brad:I think Facebook ad is a really tricky thing because the time it takes to learn it and really master it, it's changing so quickly and the marketplace is getting fished out and people are changing their buying habits and what they pay attention. I'll give you a quick example. It used to be if you put on a webinar back in the day when Lewis Howes was doing this a lot, you could do really, really well just by saying, "Here's a free webinar. Cool. We're going to sell it." Now, you need to have a live master class. Now, you need to have an online training. You have to have a really solid bit of content.I'm not saying that webinars are ineffective, it's actually far from it. I think they're still the most effective way to sell high ticket courses, however, the marketplace is shifting rapidly so if you're not going to really go deep on Facebook ads and really understand them at a high level or higher firm that's going to do that for you, I think it really doesn't make sense to start throwing ... I know a lot of really successful entrepreneurs, people who made millions of dollars who literally call Facebook ads like lighting a wheelbarrow of money on fire, and then I know guys that they spend a dollar and then they made into ten dollars and they'll do that all day long. I think the difference is how deep are you willing to go yourself or are you willing to hire the best to work with you to create a Facebook ad strategy that actually moves the needle for you, right?Dave:Absolutely.Brad:(17:52) Because we can't all be experts at everything. I think the biggest problem that people come up against is that they can't do everything at an expert or world class level and they fail to realize that they need to get the help that they need to really be successful. It's all about being the best you can be at one thing and then surrounding yourself with people who are the best at another thing that complements your strengths.Dave:That's fantastic. Tell me on the content marketing, this is one of the topics that I get asked about all the time, and that is, how long does it really take? Is it worth the time and the effort? How do I monetize it? How do I make it work? Tell me what kind of advice do you give your students and stuff when it comes to content marketing?Brad:I'm so happy you asked that question because we literally just had a webinar yesterday with Sujan.Miguel:Yeah, exactly.Brad:Asking these exact questions. Like literally just spend an hour with him. He dropped the most effective strategies. He's seen over millions and millions and millions of page views and all kinds of paid and free strategies. The things that really move the needle are the kind of boring things like wealth management. Warren Buffett will teach you in five steps how to become a billionaire, it's just you got to do those things over and over again and not break the rules. With content marketing, it's very much similar. It's like create 10x content. What it means by that is create content that is at least a multiple better than what already exists out there or it's up to date. Maybe a great article is written in 2013, but now it's 2016 and everything has shifted, so you have to be the best for that. You want to spend eighty percent of your time promoting and only twenty percent of your time creating. You want to create no more than one a week, but you have to be consistent.Once a week is actually found to be the best strategy. If you're going to create a blog post or content, a video, a podcast, whatever it is, once a week seems to be the most bang for your buck before you get to the point of diminishing returns. He talks about, and again I'm just going quickly so we can get a lot of value in here. He talks about re-purposing content, so not just the blog article, not just the podcast, not just the video, but taking that same content and re-purposing in different ways by using transcripts, taking the audio from a video and making it into a podcast. Dessiminating your content in multiple ways to target multiple types of people because some people are going to want to listen to your podcast. Some people are going to want to watch your video. Some people are going to want to read your transcript. If you have all those tools available, you don't do extra work but you've also reached more people. Does that make sense?Dave:(20:17) It makes complete sense. I love what you've mentioned on that. A couple of things I just want to reinforce on that guys is that the key there is not putting out too much content if it's really poor. There's nothing worse ... I see it happen all the time, people are like, "Oh, I've got to post every single day." I'm like, "No. No. No." Spend four or five days and come up with a great post. We literally just had this conversation on our marketing team the other day with the importance of making sure that content is sharable. If you can get sharable content, and I love your idea as far as that 10x content, that is fantastic Brad. Thank you so much for emphasizing that. That's a super, super key.Brad:It's my pleasure. At the end of the day, would you rather have ten articles that you promote really heavily and they crush and everybody loves them and shares them or would you rather have a thousand articles that do nothing for you and you spend all your hours and all your time just making something nobody wants to read or cares about?Dave:The other question I get all the time is, "Dave, I'm not a very good writer. How do I come up with good content? Is it something I can just pay somebody else to do?" I've never personally been able to see it where you're paying someone else to do it and they do as great a job as you're going to do. Maybe I'm wrong on that but I like your idea as far as the whole re-purposing content. I'm not a very good writer. I love talking. I love having people on and we do the podcast. We take the audios. We strip them out, we get them transcribed, we use that for content in other areas. If you don't mind, for a person who's not a good writer, what are some ideas and ways that they can actually create good content that gets shared?Brad:I don't want to speak the whole time, but I just want to use my own personal experience.Miguel:I have some ideas on content, but ...Brad:Yeah, why don't you go with this one Miguel. Sorry.Miguel:(21:57) Actually when we were speaking with Sujan Patel yesterday, he actually covered that because it's the number one issue. Writing consistently great content is very hard. You may know the theory that that's what you're supposed to do, but not everybody is a great writer. Now, he says, if you can try to write it yourself because nobody's going to be able to replicate your own voice, your own passion, your own understanding about your own products. Ideally, you just have to do the effort to become a better writer. You could take courses on that.If you cannot get better, you're not interested on it, there are great services out there that you can find or they will actually put you in touch with people that really can resonate with your brand and they can write as if you were writing all of that. He mentioned a service called Express Writers, then Speedlancer also, he's found really good people there. Another place is called Contently and Written. These are services he's used over the years and he's really happy with. Obviously, it's never going to be the same but if you really have to put out a lot of content, you'd be able to find really good people through those services.Brad:That's a fantastic answer and I just want to add one last piece to that. I'm friends with a guy named Ryan Holiday, he wrote a great book called The Obstacle is the Way and he mentored under Robert Green. He's one of the best living writers. He's a young guy. He's really just killing it right now. The thing that Ryan taught me, he didn't exactly say this, but the thing I always took from him and I tell others is if you're prolific and you're consistent, your talent will have no choice but to catch up with you. All that means is that if you're always making content consistently, eventually your talent will rise to the occasion. You don't have to be the best writer, but if you write a lot, eventually you'll get better at writing. It's just one of those skills that if you really throw a lot of energy into it, you'll eventually become more [inaudible 00:23:50].Dave:I love it. By the way, if you want a good book, Obstacle is the Way is an awesome book.Brad:Yeah, I love Ryan. He's great.Miguel:Obstacle, yeah.Dave:(24:00) Great, great book. Guys, let's talk more about the whole aspect as far as marketing your course, because that's what obviously this people want to know and that is, when you guys are working with students as far as helping them market their course, and we'll talk now as far as driving traffic and things, when you look at a sales funnel, are you going for more of a webinar type of a content or are you going for more of an opt-in type of thing, you're giving away something free? What are some of the sales funnels that you're finding success with these days?Miguel:You want me to answer that?Brad:Sure. Go for it Miguel.Miguel:For the last five months, Brad and I, we're actually trying to research the top people in the industry and see how they succeed selling online courses. Yeah, there's so many different funnels you can create, but it seems that the most effective one is webinar funnel. They have an opt-in page. They can either drive traffic through facebook through an opt-in page. Then they run weekly or bi-weekly webinars and they just iterate trying to make their webinar better. That seems to be the highest converting funnel for online courses. The numbers are a lot higher than any other type of funnel from what we've seen.You can have typically maybe you got forty, thirty to forty show up rate and then conversions, if you're doing pretty good, ten to fifteen percent conversion rate once you've dialed in the webinar. We know Russell Brunson is a big, very excited about webinars as well and so we've learned a lot of him through is formulas and his videos. It's true. It's like, after a live event, I think webinar is the closest thing that ... Live event, Russel is able to convert up to like sometimes fifty percent of the entire room which is insane. Webinar is the next best thing. If you get up to ten percent, it's pretty amazing. Reality, it seems to be like the best tool out there so we always recommend to all our students that they get really good at that type of funnel.Brad:(26:02) Yeah. I think it also depends on the price point because you can sell through a lot of different [inaudible 00:26:06] abd all means. At the end of the day, I've seen guys create copy pages that sell between one and four percent. It's a lot easier to get traffic through a copy page or sales pages, rather, than to have them book a webinar and show up and all that stuff. It really just depends on the price point. If you're selling a forty-seven to ninety-seven dollar product, regular sales page might do the trick, right?Miguel:Yeah, that's true.Brad:We sold our beta test, twenty-five spots within thirty-six hours with just a couple emails to our list and a very straight copy page that we actually use funnel scripts to build out. Then we just doctored it and cleaned it up. That works great. Then, if you're going to bump up to the four ninety-sevens to nine ninety-seven or maybe nineteen night-seven range, maybe twenty-five hundred will be pushing it. That's where you start selling on webinars. If you're going to be doing high ticket which is above two thousand or twenty-five hundred, then you want to get on a phone call with somebody because ultimately, people really have specific objections and they're willing to spend the money but you have to meet them where they're at and walk them to where you want to go. Sales is a very intimate process especially high ticket sales. Between those three, you can do exceptionally well, but you have to market the course, you have to fit the strategy to the price and the style of the course ultimately. That really comes down to what you're trying to promote.Dave:I think that's awesome. As you're helping people create courses and things, do you have a lot of clients and students who are doing the high ticket type of courses right now?Brad:Yeah. I think that's the natural evolution. I think people need to understand that to serve at a high level requires a lot of different skill sets. It requires the ability to present. It requires the ability to lead. It requires the ability to empathize with people, to hear and understand their struggles and maybe use some of their own experiences to help guide them through. These are all just things that you can find a corollary in a style of course. When you think about high ticket sales, really you're just ... They might have bought all your information, they might have bought all the courses beforehand, they might have bought your ninety-seven dollar product, your four ninety-seven, your nine ninety-seven, they might have gone through all of that, maybe even your mastermind, but when you go to coach them one on one, it has to be an amount of money which is an investment in themselves. It has to be an amount of money where they'll actually take action and they're not going to just blow it off. Then it also has to be an amount that make sense compared to the way you could be spending your time.(28:33) Ultimately, how many people can I effectively coach one on one? Well, I'm committed to getting the best possible results which means I need to spend several hours with them, I need to really get to learn who they are. I might have to work with them over several months. For me, I'm not going to charge anything less than twenty-five or thirty thousand to work with somebody, but that's a decision you have to make based on your earning capacity, based on the time you have, based on different products you have. I really do believe though, it all comes from that. Everything I learned about selling, about creating, about serving at a high level, about growing and contributing has been from one on one interactions. That's what this all is at the end of the day.You can look at numbers and you can look at markets and you can look at that, but at the end of the day, it's people who have issues and problems and challenges that you can help solve, and that one on one interaction is really what we do this for at the end of the day. If you lose site of that, if you put yourself between a screen and a market and you don't allow them to really just be the people that they are, you lose touch with your audience. You lose touch with the people you're committed to serving and that's a really sad thing. I think coaching will always be the number one thing for me personally as an instructor. I want to work with people one on one and I want to help transform them on an individual basis which then can be used, the strategies can be used to help transform anybody whether it be in a course or a mastermind or any other type of medium.Dave:That is awesome guys. I know that you guys are busy. You got a lot going on. Again, my hat's off to Dylan. He never ever disappoints me as far as referring great people.Brad:Thank you.Dave:Tell us real quick, if people want to get more of you or find out ... Again, you guys, you teach people how to create courses, so if they wanted to find access to you, how do they do that? How do they get a hold of you?Brad:It's really easy. Dave, we just put together a great little page where they can do and check out all our free bonuses, all our marketing strategies for free. You can get all of that at cf, that's charlie foxtrot or ClickFunnels in this case. They can go there and grab that. If they want to get in touch with us there, they can hit us there or they can go to and then we're pretty easy to find on the web or on Facebook as well, Market Your Course.Dave:(30:41) Fantastic. Any other parting words guys?Miguel:Thanks so much for having us in this show. I mean, it was awesome to meet Dylan Jones in person. He's such an amazing guy. I'm so happy that he recommend this to me, this show. It's awesome.Brad:Yeah, and honestly, I think Funnel Hacking Live, and I'm not going to brag just because we're here, but I thought it's one of the best events I've ever been to. I've been to all kinds of events, I've been across the board. Not naming any names, that was an amazing event. That was definitely top three for me, and I've been to dozens and dozens.Dave:Brad, that means a lot. Thank you very much.Brad:Thank you.Dave:Guys, thank you so much. Again, I appreciate your time, appreciate your efforts. Again, cf is where you guys can get additional information from these guys. Thank you so much guys, and we'll talk soon.Brad:Thank you so much Dave. Thanks for having us.Miguel:Thank you Dave. ................
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