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MORNING EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET AND IN THE CHAMBERS. THE TIME NOW IS 8:32 A.M.. SORRY FOR THE TWO MINUTE DELAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AT THIS TIME.

NO SIR.

THERE IS NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL MY CLOCK. WE WILL BEGIN AT 9:00. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE THIS MORNING. THIS IS YOUR TWO-MINUTE WARNING. PLEASE FIND RECEIPTS. IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND AS TO TURN OFF ALL OF YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES DURING WE WILL BEGIN IN APPROXIMATELY TWO MINUTES. SORRY ABOUT THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN HERE IN TODAY'S DATE IS JUNE 19, 2014. THIS IS A REGULAR SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING. IT IS CALLED TO ORDER. IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE TURN YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES, RADIOS DOWN TO A LOW ROAR SO WE DON'T DISTURB. WE WILL NOW HAD OUR ROLL CALL. ALL ARE PRESENT. WE WILL NOT DO OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND INVOCATION. LET US PRAY. FATHER GOD WE THANK YOU THAT WE CAN COME INTO YOUR VERY PRESENCE OF THIS MORNING WE THANK YOU GOD THAT WE CAN SEEK YOUR COUNSEL THAT LORD YOU WOULD COME INTO THIS COUNSEL THAT EACH MAN AND WOMAN THAT WILL BE PRESENTED THAT WILL HEAR THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WILL BE GIVEN THIS DAY WILL WALK IN WISDOM GOD. I THINK OF YOUR WORD THAT SAYS WE ARE TO TRUST IN YOU WHEN HE KNOCKED ON HER OWN BUT IN ALL OF OUR WAYS CQ AND ASK YOUR DIRECTION THAT YOU MAY MAKE OUR PATH STRAIGHT. IT IS A GREAT HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO PREFER THOSE THAT GOVERN OVER US. WHAT IS SAID AND DONE HERE WILL BE DONE WITH INTEGRITY AND IT WILL BE DONE WITH HONOR TO GIVE YOU GLORY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY. OH GOD, WE RECOGNIZE YOUR LEADERSHIP AND WE THANK YOU FOR PEACE AND EVEN JOY IN OUR MIDST TODAY. AS WE GO ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF THIS COUNTY. IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE EVERYONE BE SEATED. BEFORE WE PULL THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING WE HAVE TO DO. ITEM NUMBER 18 HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA. IF ANYONE IS HERE TO DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER 18 WHICH IS AN EXTENSION OF THE CORE PROGRAM. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WAITING FOR THAT THAT WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED TODAY. WE ARE JUMPING A LITTLE BIT AHEAD HERE. I WANT TO GET ON THE RECORD AND NOTIFY ANYBODY ITEM NUMBER 30 HAS BEEN REQUESTED FOR A CONTINUANCE UNTIL JULY 30 AT 2:00 P.M. WE WILL NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND. THERE IS A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 30 TO JULY 3RD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS. SEEN ON ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY IT BY EYE. IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 30 WHICH IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION CASE FOR COMMUNITY STATION TOWER. THAT WILL NOT BE HEARD UNTIL JULY 3RD AT 2:00 P.M.. NOW THEN, ONWARD. THE PUBLIC HASN'T PARTICIPATION WITH ITEM NUMBER 21. IT WILL BE PULLED UP FOR DISCUSSION

AND MR. DANIELS AND THE CONTENT ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL. ITEM 21 IS THE ONLY ONE PULLED. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVED THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. MR. PATTERSON IS THE SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION. SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY SHIITE HERE ALL THOSE OPPOSED ITEM NUMBER ONE THIS MORNING. MR. WAGNER IS THE SECOND. C. NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY EYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED IT IS SO APPROVED. ITEM NUMBER TWO EXPANSION OF DEEP CREEK PRESERVE HUNT LEASE INTO THE COUNTY OWNED PORTION OF THE PRESERVE. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. ON OCTOBER 10TH THEY HAVE THE PORTION OF THE DEEP CREEK PRESERVE IT EXISTED FOR HUNTING IT CAN BE SEEN ON YOUR OVERHEAD. IT IS AN AREA THAT IS A TEAL BLUE COLLAR THAT DOES THE EXISTING HUNT LEASE. THERE IS ALSO AN AREA THAT ALLOWS A DOG HUNTING WITCHES CIRCLED IN BLACK AND A LITTLE BUT MORE DIFFICULT TO SEE. YOU HAVE A VISUAL. THE CLUB HAS REQUESTED AN EXPANSION WHAT USED TO BE KNOWN AS THE LAST. IT WAS PURCHASED IN 2010. IT PRESERVES NATURAL RESOURCES. IT PROVIDES WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS AND THE SYSTEM OF WATER WELLS. AND OTHER WATER RESOURCES. IN ADDITION TO THE USES THAT I HAVE JUST MENTIONED THERE IS ALSO AN EXISTENT CATTLE LEASE ON THE PROPERTY. IT IS THE AREA THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT IS IN A BEIGE COLOR. AND THAT IS THE EXISTING CATTLE LEASE. THE AREA THAT IS BEING REQUESTED FOR HUNTING IS IN GREEN IT IS THE WESTERN SECTION OF THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE SEVERAL TRAILS GOING TO THIS AREA. YOU HAVE AN EXISTING CATTLE LEASE. ANOTHER REQUEST IS FOR HUNTING. WHAT STAFF WOULD LIKE IS FOR DIRECT SHOULD FIRST HAD TO IDENTIFY ACTIVITIES IN THE AREA CONSISTENT WITH THAT IN PREPARATION FOR AN RFP ON THE PORTION OF DEEP CREEK PRESERVE ONE WAY TO DO THIS. WE DO HEAD CONSULTANTS THAT CAN HELP US IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH. WITH CATTLE ON A CERTAIN SECTION OF THE PROPERTY. TO ANSWER THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS TO ENSURE THAT OUR TRAIL SYSTEM IS INTACT WE DO HAVE TIMBER HARVESTING ON THE PROPERTY THAT BRINGS US APPROXIMATELY $100,000 OF REVENUE. THIS WOULD BE A NEW REVENUE SOURCE. STAFF IS ASKING FOR DIRECTIONS TO DO THIS IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY FOR THIS RESULTS IN A BID PROCESS. IT'S OPEN TO BID FOR HUNTING ON THIS PROPERTY. WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER FOR QUESTIONS. I HAD TALKED TO THESE PEOPLE AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD BE GOING OUT TO BID ON THIS AND OPEN UP TO OTHERS WHO MAY WISH TO BID ON THIS ALSO. I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ON LAND THAT WE HAVE SITTING HERE. I'VE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL. WILL TAKE A SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. WE CURRENTLY LEASE 3200 ACRES. OR IS THAT INCLUDING OTHER LEASE IS THAT HAVE. I THINK A PROPER -- APPROXIMATELY 70% OF THEM HAVE HUNTING ON THEM. IS THAT THE 3200 ACRES. I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED. WE SHOULD TRY TO RAISE AS MANY DOLLARS AS WE CAN THINK OF. MY CONCERN BECOMES THIS WAS BOUGHT NOT JUST FOR RECREATION AND WAS BOUGHT TO BE USED AS A WATER RESOURCE AREA. I HAVE NO IDEA AND I'M HOPING MAYBE NEXT THURSDAY WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS WHERE THE PLANTS ARE FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION BECAUSE IT UTILITIES IS HELPING TO PAY FOR THIS. MY CONCERN IS ONE COMPATIBLE USES. AND I AM HOPING THAT WHEN WE SAY WE ARE GOING OUT TO A BID WE HAVE MORE THAN JUST ONE COMPANY OR GROUP THAT IS FITTING. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THEY ALLOW NUMBER SHOULD THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW. DO THEY CHARGE AND WHAT DO THEY CHARGE I FIGURED THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND THE REVENUE STREAMS THAT COME IN ON ALL OF THE PROPERTIES NOT JUST HUNTING. HOW MUCH ORDAINING IN ANY OTHER KIND OF CATTLE LEASE IS. THAT IS A CONCERN I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WHERE WAS OUR BEST VALUE IN HER BEST DOLLAR VALUE. IT MIGHT NOT BE HUNTING. I THINK WE'VE GIVEN AWAY PRETTY CHEAP IN THE PAST. IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT I SUPPORT THE END WHEN IT COMES BACK.

I DO HAD ONE QUESTION. IS THIS ORIGINAL RELEASE ISN'T A RANCH AREA.

NOTES TO THE SOUTH. -- NO IT ISN'T TO THE SOUTH. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT SAFETY ISSUES. A SILLY QUESTION I HAD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. THERE IS MOTION FOR APPROVAL. MOTION IS MADE BY MR. PATTERSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY EYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAPPY HUNTING. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE RENOVATION OF THE FORMER DESERT AND. A RELOCATION OF THE REMOVAL ON THE BEACH IS OF THE HOTEL PROPERTY. AS YOU KNOW THE LAST MEETING HE IS HERE TODAY. WITH HIS ATTORNEY IT MAY BRING SOME ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO THE MICROPHONE TWO TALK. WE HAVE MET WITH THEM IN THE INTERIM. IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS YOU HAVE TO VOTE TODAY TO HAVE THEM LAWYERS PUT THIS ON FOR THE NEXT MEETING. WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO GET THAT ADVERTISEMENTS IN THE PAPER IN TIME TO MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS. THE DRECK YOU HAVE A THINK IT ADDRESSES THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY. IF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY WERE BRINGING FORWARD AND WHAT THEY RETURN TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO WHICH WAS TO RELOCATE PARKING. I ALSO TO THERE AND ALLOW THEM TO GO FURTHER IN THEIR INVESTMENT AND TAKE THEIR HOTEL UP SEVERAL NOTCHES. WHILE WE ENDEAVOR TO DO WAS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WITH THEIR ATTORNEY THAT THOSE THINGS IF THE COUNCIL WOULD DO THIS IT WOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE WAY TO DO THIS. IT WOULD BE A WAY TO GET WHAT WAS OFFERED. WHAT WE WOULD IDENTIFY IN THE DOCUMENTS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE BELIEVE THEY SENT A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY WOULD AMOUNT TO THOSE SPACES. WE WON'T GET INTO THIS IN THE PRESENTATION. THERE IS TOO VACANT PROPERTIES THAT THEY ARE INVOLVED WITH. BEHIND THE HOTEL. WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN THE DOCUMENT IS INSTEAD OF A LOWERING FOR SUBJECTIVITY IN THE FIVE STAR HOTEL OR RESORT AND WHAT WE PUT IN THIS DOCUMENT WAS OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE MEASURABLE AND WOULD BE REQUIRED BY SOMEONE TO OPERATE A RESORT HOTEL UNDER THE REQUIREMENT THE SECOND PART IS THE AUTHOR BEACH PARKING SPACES THEY ARE SUGGESTING THAT IT WOULD BE SPELLED OUT THAT WE WOULD HAVE AT PROPERTY IN THE RIGHT TO THAT. AND THAT THEY WOULD BE EXCLUSIVELY FOR BEACH PARKING. I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE SPEED OVERFLOW FOR THE HOTEL. THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE DOCUMENTS. THERE IS CLEAR YOU BE THERE. THE OTHER THING I THINK IS KEY IS THAT THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT IF THE COUNCIL WOULD TAKE ACTION AT THE NEXT MEETING TO ACTUALLY PASS THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THIS THAT WHILE IT WILL TAKE EFFECT THE ACTUAL AFFECT WOULD NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL THE DETAILS IN THE AGREEMENT ARE NOT. THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAD TO BE PHYSICALLY DONE BEFORE THE ACTUAL REMOVAL OF VEHICLES. WE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. FOR THE RECORD WE NEED YOUR FULL NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. MY ADDRESS IS 1265 UP SALEM ROAD. I WANT TO THANK YOU TODAY FOR YOUR TIME. LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS THING TWO WORK. MY FAMILY BOUGHT THIS IN 2007. WHEN REID BOUGHT IT WE THOUGHT THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. WE ARE GOING TO TURN THIS PLACE AROUND. WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL IN THE MARKET FELL OUT FROM UNDERNEATH US. WE HAVE THE CRISIS PEAKED --. AND THINGS DIDN'T LOOK SO ROSY ANYMORE. WE WENT ALONG AND TRY TO MAKE IT WORK UNTIL 2009 AND THEN REALIZE THIS IS NOT WORKING. WE REALIZED WE NEEDED TO TAKE THE HOTEL TO THE NEXT LEVEL TO MAKE IT WORK. THAT WAS A HARD DECISION TWO MAKE IN 2009. BANKS WERE NOT LENDING. WE DECIDED TO HAVE FAITH IN THE FUTURE OF DAYTONA BEACH. WE CONVERTED IT TO THIS. IT WENT FROM FLEABAG HOTEL TO ATTITUDE OF EXCELLENCE. WE LOOKED AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE THOUGHT RIGHT NEXT TO US THERE'S AN ABANDONED MOTEL. WE CAN'T LET THIS HAPPEN. WE ROLLED UP OUR SLEEVES AND GOT INTO THIS. WE BECAME SUCCESSFUL. THERE WE LOOK AT MIAMI OR ORLANDO. NO WE WENT BACK TO DAYTONA BEACH. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS A HAMPTON INN. HELTON WELL NEVER APPROVE THIS. WE LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY THE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. IF YOUR FAITH AND HARD WORK YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING HAPPEN AND WE DID. WE TURN THIS THE NUMBER ONE RATED HOTEL IN DAYTONA BEACH. 99% APPROVAL RATING BY GUESTS. WE MANAGED TO ACHIEVE THAT. IT HAS BEEN A BLIGHT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WAY TOO LONG. IT IS OVERSHADOWED EVERYTHING IN THAT AREA IT HAS MADE DAYTONA FAMOUS FOR THE WRONG REASONS. IT WAS VOTED ONE OF THE WORST HOTELS IN THE COUNTRY. WE WANTED TO NAB ONE OF THE BEST WORLD-CLASS BRANDS TO BRING ON HERE. WE CAN ONLY DO THAT WITH YOUR HELP. WE CAN ONLY ACHIEVE THAT WITH YOUR HELP. NOW LET ME STATE WHAT WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MONEY. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A PRIVATE BEACH. TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE GIVING LAND AWAY TO THE COUNTY TWO USE AS A PARKING LOT. WE ARE USING A PORTION OF OUR LAND AS EASEMENTS. THE OTHER THING WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR HIS WERE NOT HERE TO SAY IF YOU DON'T GIVE US THIS WE WON'T INVEST IN DAYTONA. WE HAVE ALREADY INVESTED. AND WE WILL INVEST ANYWAY. BUT WE WANT YOU TO HELP US TO KNOCK THIS ONE OUT OF THE PARK. WE WANT TO HELP MAKE THIS ONE A WORLD CLASS RESORTS. WE WANT TO CHANGE THE FACE OF WHAT WE THINK OF. DAYTONA IS RISING THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. AND EVERYONE HAS TO DO THEIR PART. THE SPEEDWAY IS DOING THEIR PART. OTHERS ARE DOING THEIR PART.

I'M JIM MORRIS. BELIEVE IT OR NOT HE HATES HIS BROTHER BECAUSE HE LOVES WHAT HE IS DOING. HE'S CHARACTERIZED WHAT HE'S DONE. HE HAS CHARACTERIZED HIS EFFORT. HIS FAMILY HAS TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN THE PROJECT. A LOT OF YOU HAVE GOT TO SEE THE PROPERTY AND KNOW THAT IT IS A LARGER PROPERTY. IT HAS A GREAT SITE AND A GREAT PHYSICAL AMENITIES BUT VERBAL FINISH. YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SLIDES THAT THEY TAKE THOSE SORTS OF PROPERTIES AND TAKE THE SKELETON AND TURN SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL INTO IT. I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THE HOLIDAY INN RESORT WHICH WAS THE FIRST PROJECT THAT THEY DID. I THINK THEY HAD 99 CHICKENS THAT DAY. THERE WERE FOUR AVAILABLE ROOMS. THAT IS THE RATE OF BUSINESS THAT THEY ARE DOING. AS I GO BACK TO BUTCHER ALL MY LIFE AT THE DIFFERENT THINGS. WHAT I SEE AS A NEW GENERATION. IT MADE DAYTONA POPULAR AND SUCCESSFUL AND THE CONDITIONS OF A PERMITTED BACK. THEY GRADUALLY LOST THEIR HOLD A DIFFERENT ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES HIT OUR COUNTY. IT IS A BIG TOURISM BASE. CONSTRUCTION OCCURS. AFTER ALL THE WORK IS DONE. WHEN JIM WAS OUTLINING THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT WE CAN USE THE TERM LUXURY RESORT HOTEL. YOU WILL SEE THAT APPROPRIATE SAYS STANDARDS. AS OPPOSED TO STAYING AT A FIVE STAR. THEY HAVE ASKED FOR OBJECTIVE STANDARDS. [CAPTIONS TO

HAVING PARKING AVAILABLE IS IMPORTANT. SOMETHING ELSE IN THE AGREEMENT IS A DEDICATION BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THIS STRIP OF BEACH TO VOLUSIA COUNTY. I KNOW YOU'VE HAD THAT CIRCUMSTANCE AT LEAST ONE OTHER TIME. THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS THAT TYPICALLY SPEAKING IN FLORIDA, PROPERTY OWNERS OWN HIGH TIDE LINE, WHICH WOULD BE THE BEACH. SO IN THIS NEUSTONS YOU HAVE A DEDICATION OF THAT. THIS IS A PUBLIC BEACH. NOT CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE. IT'S MADE ACCESSIBLE BY THE EASEMENT PATH. WHAT WE'VE VOLUNTEERED THE COUNTY TO DO IS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PEDESTRIAN SAFETY LIGHT AT THE CROSSING. BY THAT WE MEAN TO USE THE MODEL THAT YOU SEE IN DAYTONA BEACH SHORES, WHICH IS A TRAFFIC LIGHT. IT'S NOT RED, YELLOW AND GREEN. IT'S A CONSTANT FLASHING OF YELLOW. AND WHEN A PEDESTRIAN COMES AND WANTS TO CROSS THE STREET, THEY PUSH THE BUTTON. WE HAVE VIDEO TO SHOW IT, IF YOU NEED TO SEE IT. THE ACTIVATION TIME IS ABOUT 5 SECONDS, THREE SECONDS. IT GOES FROM FLASHING YELLOW TO SOLID YELLOW. REASONABLE TIME ON THE YELLOW AND THEN IT TURNS RED. WHEN IT TURNS RED, THE PEDESTRIAN HAS ADEQUATE TIME TO CROSS. CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE. WE HEARD THE COUNCIL DECISION, MORAL YOU COUNCILMAN DENYS. VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. LOOKED FOR THE BEST REMEDY. THIS IS A SYSTEM USED IN THE SHORE. IT'S EFFECTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL. IT'S USER ACTIVATED. YOU CAN STOP ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING BOTH WAYS FOR THE PURPOSES OF ALLOWING PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS. I KNOW THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS. YOU READ EDITORIALS ABOUT. IT'S ECONOMICALLY DRIVEN. THIS ISN'T AN EFFORT TO TAKE THE BEACH AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC. IT'S AN EFFORT TO MAKE IT MORE INVITING. WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE SEA BREEZE NEIGHBORHOOD. WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. THE PARKING AREA. WE'LL WORK WITH DAYTONA BEACH AND THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKING LOT IS LANDSCAPED MORE THAN ADEQUATELY, SCREENED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT PEDESTRIANS NATURALLY MOVE TO THAT POINT WHERE THERE IS A TRAFFIC LIGHT AND A CROSSWALK TO MOVE THEM SAFELY ACROSS TO THE BEACH AND TO BE -- ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS SECTION OF THE BEACH IN FRONT OF THE DESERT INN. WON'T HAVE CARS IN IT AND CREATE A HAZARD. THE VOLATILE MIX THAT WE'VE HAD. I NOTICED THE OTHER DAY, A COMBINATION OF ARTICLES, EDITORIALS IN SUPPORT AND DISCUSSIONS OF LAWSUITS RELATED TO BEACH SAFETY. THIS IS JUST AN EFFORT, IN OUR CASE, TO SUPPORT REINVESTMENT AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN WOULD OTHERWISE OCCUR. THE BOSS HAS SAID THEY DON'T INTEND TO SAY IF YOU DON'T GIVE IT TO US WE WON'T DO OUR PROJECT. JUST THE OPPOSITE. THEY INTEND TO MOVE FORWARD. MOVE TOWARD AT A HIGHER LEVEL. I'D LIKE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE ANY. I'D ALSO BE WILLING TO COME BACK FOR SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THE BOSS WILL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR.

THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

NO QUESTIONS. I'M SURE ONE MAY POP UP LATER. PLEASE BE READY. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TIME. MR. HYATT BROWN. YOU ARE FIRST UP. THERE YOU ARE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

313 RIVER SIDE DRIVE.

THREE MINUTES, SIR.

THANK YOU. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING. I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT WALKING YOU ALL DOWN MEMORY LANE FOR A MOMENT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR TIMING IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IN 1960 I ATTENDED. THIS WAS JUST OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AT THAT TIME. I ATTENDED A MEETING IN PEARSON. I WAS LATE GETTING THERE. THERE WAS ONE GENTLEMAN STANDING TO THE SIDE. HE WAS A SENIOR CITIZEN. I WALKED UP TO HIM AND SAID I'M HYATT BROWN. HE SAID, HELLO. HE DIDN'T OFFER HIS NAME. I SAID, YOU LIVE AROUND HERE ALL YOUR LIFE? HE SAID, NOT YET. AND SO I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, GEE, THAT'S A PRETTY DARN GOOD ANSWER. SO I HAVEN'T LIVED AROUND HERE ALL MY LIFE EITHER, BUT I CAN TELL YOU BACK IN 1937 WHEN I WAS BORN, WHEN WE MOVED HERE IN '39, MY FIRST MEMORIES ARE OF THE BEACH. THOSE MEMORIES HAVE TO DO WITH THE SECOND WORLD WAR WHICH WE HAD SUBSTANTIAL GERMAN SUBMARINE WARFARE ALONG THE COASTLINE. I REMEMBER GOING TO THE BEACH. BIG BLOBS OF STUFF AND OIL AND CRAP ALL OVER THE BEACH. YET WE WENT TO THE BEACH ANYWAY. AT NIGHT MY FATHER, WHO WAS PART OF THE CIVIL PATROL, WOULD GO AND STAND ON A TOWER AND LOOK OUT TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY SUBS MOVING AROUND. IT WAS A DIFFICULT TIME. ONE MORNING I GOT UP AND MY MOTHER SAID TO ME, LOOK AT THE PAPER. THE SHANGRILA MOTEL, THEY FOUND THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT OWNED THAT MOTEL WERE COLLABORATORS WITH THE GERMANS AND THEY HAVE OFFLOADED THREE SPIES AND COLLECTED THEM ALL AND THE FBI MADE A RAID LAST NIGHT. I THOUGHT TO MYSELF GOSH, THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. BUT THE WAR WAS OVER. AND GOOD TIMES STARTED TO HAPPEN. SO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BEACH CAME BACK. AND THEN IN THE 60s WE HAD THE LIKES OF JACK WHITE AND SO TOM STEAD AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WAS GROWING. THEN IN 1980, THINGS STARTED DOING A LITTLE BIT OF THIS. THEN IN 1990s WE HAD TWO GENTLEMEN THAT BROUGHT TWO THINGS. BRASHNESS AND EXCESS OUTSIDE CAPITAL. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEN IN 2008 THINGS WENT DOWN AND WE ALL THOUGHT, THIS IS AWFUL. WELL, LOOK AT ALL THE OPEN SPACES ALONG THE OCEAN FRONT TODAY. THAT PRESENTS OPPORTUNITY. SO TIMING IS EVERYTHING. IF, IN FACT, WE COULD SAY WE HAVE THIS KIND OF LUXURY MOTEL, HOTEL IN THIS AREA. THINK OF WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN TO OUR REPUTATION. THINK OF WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO THE VALUE OF REAL ESTATE. THINK OF WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO THE INCOME FROM REAL ESTATE TAXES. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. YOU HAVE A FAMILY HERE WHO HAS PUT THEIR ASSETS ON THE LINE. THEY HAVE DONE IT BECAUSE OF QUALITY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I RECOMMEND THAT YOU GIVE THIS CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. BROWN. CHARLES L. MUNTON. DID I GET IT CORRECT, SIR?

BASICALLY.

BASICALLY. I TRY. GOOD MORNING, SIR.

GOOD MORNING, SIR. MY NAME IS CHARLES LEONARD MUNTON. I LIVE AT 1543 POPLAR DRIVE. NORMAN BEACH. I JUST MOVED IN FEBRUARY. JUST BOUGHT A HOME. SO I'M HERE AND I'M TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT GOES ON IN MY --

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. UNDERSTOOD. MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS TO DISCUSS. ONE IS KIND OF BAD. THE OTHER I FEEL IS EVEN WORSE. I GOT A SHAME ON YOU TO PUT OUT. IN 2011 THE DESERT INN, DAYTONA'S MOST NOTORIOUS HOTEL. A MONTH AFTER TRIP ADVISOR BRANDISHED THE THIRD DIRTIEST IN THE COUNTRY, SHAME ON THE GOVERNMENT OF DAYTONA AND THIS COUNTY FOR ALLOWING IT TO BE THAT WAY. 2014 --

PLEASE PUT UP THE SLIDE.

2014, DESERT INN -- GOING TO DISCUSS THE ITEM WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP. THIS IS A PICTURE I TOOK LAST WEEK. THIS IS STILL THERE THIS MORNING. I DROVE BY THERE EARLY ENOUGH TO SEE IT TO MAKE SURE. I FIND IT HARD TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT DEALS WITH THE BEACH IN ALL THAT. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. BUT THERE'S OTHER REASONS I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AS FAR AS THE BEACH. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT SOMETHING, I WOULD AT LEAST THINK YOU'D WANT TO CLEAN IT UP. I BIG SHAME GOING OUT FOR THE 12th OF JUNE 2014 NEWS ARTICLE FROM THE NEWS JOURNAL. FRONT PAGE. CITY COMMISSIONER PAM WOODS, AND I QUOTE. SHAME ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS. TALKING ABOUT THE SEASIDE INN. WELL SHAME ON THE COMMISSIONERS OF DAYTONA BEACH FOR ALLOWING THESE CONDITIONS TO OCCUR. IF YOU DON'T POLICE YOUR -- IF YOU DON'T CODE -- IF YOU DON'T GET OUT THERE AND HEALTH INSPECT, THEN WE'RE GOING DOWN HILL. SO THIS MUST BE DONE. IT REALLY MUST BE DONE. I GO FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR THE CITY THAT ALLOWS IT TO HAPPEN. NOW I WANT TO READ THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL MISSION STATEMENT. TO NOURISH GOOD CITIZENSHIP PROVIDING DEMOCRATIC VALUES, EARNING PUBLIC TRUST, RESPOND TO EFFECTIVE CITIZENS NEEDS FOR HELP, SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO ON. STATIC, STRATEGIC DOLES. ONE ITEM. COMMUNITY QUALITY OF LIFE. ENGAGE IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE. REGULATORY LEADERSHIP ACTIONS WHICH WILL ENHANCE THE RESIDENTS EXPERIENCE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. SATISFY IN PLACE OF LIVING TO WORK. I WOULD READ THE COUNCILWOMAN'S E-MAIL IN REFERENCE TO HER PERSONAL. AND I RESPECT THAT. MISS NORTHEY, YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT YOUR GRAND KIDS ON THE BEACH, AND I RESPECT IT. YOU GOT 30 MILES. I GOT 17. I WILL PUT ALL 10 OF MY GRAND KIDS. FLORIDA HIGHWAY. I'M CLOSING UP, SIR. THE VOLUSIA COUNTY FIVE YEAR PEDESTRIAN INJURY HISTORY BY COUNTY. 2006, 2010, 1100 PEOPLE INJURED AS PEDESTRIANS. DEATHS, 91. SO THERE'S A LOT OF IMPACT HERE THAT YOU AS A COUNCIL PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT. I'VE TALKED TO HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ON THIS BEACH IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS. THEY WON'T COME BACK.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. SAMIR -- AM I CLOSE? VERY CLOSE. I'M GETTING BETTER. ONLY TAKES A YEAR AND A HALF. [ LAUGHTER ]

THANK YOU, COUNTY CHAIRMAN. MY NAME IS SAMIR ANARIN. 3245 SOUTH ATLANTIC AVENUE. 305. DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA. WE OWN THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE PROPOSED WESTON. THE HOLIDAY INN AND SUITES. I JUST WANT TO SAY, OUR BIGGEST GUEST COMPLAINT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE DESERT INN NEXT DOOR. IT AFFECTS US ON OUR TRIP ADVISOR. IT AFFECTS US ON OUR QUALITY EVALUATIONS. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT. NOW WHAT THESE GENTLEMEN ARE PROPOSING WILL BE THE BIGGEST BOON TO THE COUNTY SINCE, IN MY ESTIMATION SINCE THE OLD MARION WAS BUILT THAT IS NOW THE HILTON. IT'LL BE A STATEMENT. IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY. ENHANCE OUR IMAGE. WHICH RIGHT NOW DAYTONA HAS A SLIGHT PROBLEM WITH. AS THEIR GROUP HAS SHOWN THE RENOVATIONS THEY'VE DONE, AS THEY'VE DONE THAT. WE'VE INVESTED SOME. OTHER GROUPS HAVE INVESTED. THE IMAGE IS SLOWLY GETTING BETTER. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER STEP FORWARD. IT'S A BIG STEP FORWARD IN MAKING THAT IMAGE BETTER. I'M NOT GOING TO LIE. THIS DOES AFFECT OUR PROPERTY WITH THE STOPPAGE OF THE TRAFFIC RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. BUT TO US IT'S WORTH IT. WE THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ABOUT IT AND SPOKE TO MR. DINNEEN. HOPEFULLY WORK ON SOME NICER SIGNAGE. IT'S SOMETHING I'M CONFIDENT WILL HELP THE COMMUNITY. HELP US PERSONALLY AS WELL. I THINK EVERYBODY WILL LEARN -- NOT LEARN TO. EVERYBODY WILL REALIZE WHAT A GREAT PROPERTY THIS WILL BE. THEY HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THEIR PROPERTIES ARE BEAUTIFUL. THEY'RE OUR COMPETITORS. I WAS KIND OF UPSET WHEN HAMPTON BECAME NUMBER ONE, THAT WAS OUR GOAL. HOPEFULLY WHEN THE DESERT INN GOES AWAY WE CAN COMPETE WITH THEM AND TRY TO GET THAT NUMBER ONE SPOT. OTHER THING PEOPLE HAVEN'T MENTIONED, AND THE DESERT INN, NOT ALL THE BAD STUFF ABOUT IT THEY'RE LOOKING TO TAKE AWAY. NOT ONLY WAS IT ONE OF THE WORST HOTELS, THERE WAS A PEDOPHILE RING GOING ON IN THERE. IT'S A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE PROPERTY AND THERE WERE TERRIBLE NEIGHBORS TO HAVE. NOW WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVE THIS WONDERFUL -- GREAT NEIGHBORS. I UNDERSTAND THEY'LL DO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT SOMETHING ELSE IS NOT A WESTON. A WESTON IS NOT A BRAND THEY PUT JUST ANYWHERE. IT'S -- IT'LL BE THE TOP BRAND, POSSIBLY -- EVERYBODY KEEPS TALKING ABOUT THE HARD ROCK HOTEL. I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING AT IT. THEY'LL PROBABLY OPEN BEFORE THE HARD ROCK AND THEY'LL PROBABLY BE A BETTER PROPERTY. IF YOU'VE EVER STAYED IN ONE, YOU KNOW HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SORRY. HE'S OVER THERE GOING -- HEY, SPEAKING OF GLEN. GLEN STORCH. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MY NAME IS GLEN STORCH. I DO REPRESENT THE HARD ROCK. I WILL TELL YOU, I HOPE TO HAVE THAT WONDERFUL COMPETITION. BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL SHOW THAT WE CAN BE THE BEST.

CAN WE HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE FOR THE RECORD?

420 SOUTH --

THANK YOU, SIR.

I WANT TO START WITH A COUPLE THINGS. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION REGARDING HOW BEACH DRIVING FUNCTIONS. IF YOU KNOW, ONE BEACH ADVISOR, I WAS CHAIRMAN OF THAT FOR YEARS. WE LOOK AT THE ISSUE OF BEACH DRIVING ON OUR BEACHES. THE BOTTOM LINE WAS WE COULDN'T SEE A WAY TO TAKE IT OFF BECAUSE BEACH DRIVING WAS NOT BEACH DRIVING. IT WAS BEACH PARKING. THE ONLY PURPOSE OF BEACH DRIVING ON VOLUSIA COUNTY BEACH AT THIS POINT IS BEACH PARKING. SO THE QUESTION WAS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMENDED. YOU'VE GOT TO FIND ALTERNATIVE PARKING AREAS. IF YOU DON'T, THEN WE'RE RUNNING THE RISK OF SOMEONE TAKING IT OFF, GOVERNMENT, LAWSUITS, THE LAWSUITS AGAINST THE COUNTY. BECAUSE THE SAFETY ISSUES. IT COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF REASONS. WE SUGGESTED YOU START BUYING LAND. AND FINDING A WAY OF TAKING DRIVING OFF THE BEACH. JUST LIKE BRAVARD COUNTY DID. YEARS AGO WHEN THEY HAD AN ISSUE OF LAWSUITS. ACCIDENTS CAUSED BY INTERACTION FROM BEACH DRIVING AND PEDESTRIANS -- OR BEACH GOERS, STARTED BY BUYING LAND AT THE ENDS OF THE COUNTY. AND THEY GRADUALLY BOUGHT IT IN. AS THEY BOUGHT THE LAND IN, IT WAS A PLANNED EFFORT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO START WORKING TOGETHER IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT. YOU HAD 47 MILES OF BEACH. YOU HAVE POTENTIAL AREAS FOR -- ALL THESE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN ON THE BEACH. I'VE GOT TO ASK A QUESTION. WHY DO WE HAVE AN AREA THAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T TAKE BEACH DRIVING OFF OF RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE MOST DENSE AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE TOURISTS THAT HAVE THE LEAST EXPERIENCE IN DODGING CARS AS THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE BEACH. IT MAKES NO SENSE WITHOUT SOME MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE. BECAUSE HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME IN AND INVEST IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT. SAFETY AND SAFETY IS A KEY ISSUE, I AGREE. ABSOLUTELY. SAFETY OF TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE STREET IF YOU'RE HAVING PARKING SOMEWHERE ELSE. IF YOU HAVE TO -- IT HAS TO BE ABSOLUTELY SAFE. BUT NO ONE IS ASSERTING THAT HAVING CARS RUNNING BACK AND FORTH ON A PLAYGROUND WHILE YOU'RE TRAYING TO GET TO THE BEACH IS A SAFER ALTERNATIVE. I THINK WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOW PLAN FOR A SAFE MECHANISM TO PLAN FOR PARKING AND THEN PLAN FOR GETTING PEOPLE SAFELY ACROSS TO THE BEACH AREA WITHOUT THE CARS INVOLVED. WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED A TOURISM COMMITTEE. TRYING TO SOLVE TOURISM ISSUES. THE BIGGEST THING WE HAVE FOUND IN THAT COMMITTEE IS PRODUCT. WE NEED TO INCREASE THE QUALITY OF OUR PRODUCT. THESE THINGS COMBINE, WE NEED TO FIND SOME WAY OF ENCOURAGING INVESTMENT IN THESE AREAS. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.

THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. ALMOST FORGOT YOU, MR. HENRY WOLFAND. HENRY. THERE YOU ARE. SORRY, YOU GOT MIXED IN WITH ALL THE OTHERS AND I HANDED IT OVER AND I APOLOGIZE. THIS GENTLEMAN IS THE LAST PUBLIC PARTICIPANT IN THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? OKAY. BECAUSE AFTER THAT WE WILL CLOSE OUR CITIZENS PARTICIPATION. PLEASE SIR, YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS.

HENRY J. WOLFAND. 2071 SOUTH ATLANTIC AVENUE.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

MY COMPANY BAY SHORE CAPITAL IS THE PRIMARY SPONSOR AND THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROPOSED HARD ROCK HOTEL AND RESIDENCES IN DAYTONA. WE HAVE BEEN AN INVESTOR IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER FIVE YEARS. AS MR. HUSAIN SAID, WE SEE TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL HERE. AS ALL OF THE SPEAKERS HAVE STATED, WHEN A CHILD IS KILLED ON THE BEACH ON A DAY THAT STARTED WITH ENTHUSIASM AND ANTICIPATION OF A DAY OF SUN AND WATER AND EXCITEMENT, IT'S A TRAGEDY. IT'S A TRAGEDY THAT MAKES NATIONAL NEWS. IT'S A TRAGEDY THAT HURTS THAT FAMILY FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES, BUT DAMAGES THE REPUTATION AND POTENTIAL OF THE COMMUNITY. AND FOR EVERY TIME THAT TRAGEDY HAPPENS, THERE'S PROBABLY 100 NEAR MISSES. I WAS ON THE BEACH A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON A SATURDAY. SEE THE PARENT GRABBING THEIR CHILD OR YELLING AT THEM ON THE CAR SUDDENLY STOPPING. IT'S DANGEROUS. SO TO ATTRACT THE QUALITY OF FULL SERVICE, FOUR STAR AND FIVE STAR PROPERTIES, LIKE NUMEROUS SITES, I THINK A SOLUTION HAS TO HAPPEN THAT WILL BE A WIN WIN. WHERE SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN IS PARAMOUNT. I THINK IT IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE DESTINATION. ITS REPUTATION WITH THE INVESTMENT BEING MADE IN PROJECTS LIKE OURS LIKE ONE DAYTONA AND THE WESTIN. MORE WILL FOLLOW. THIS IS A CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT ISSUE. I SUPPORT PETITION.

ANYBODY ELSE? YOU ONLY GET THREE MINUTES, SIR.

USE HIS ONE MINUTE?

NO, THEY'RE NONTRANSFERABLE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. WE WILL CLOSE THE CITIZENS PARTICIPATION AT THIS POINT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION. BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR, HAD A LITTLE DISCUSSION WITH THE MANAGER. WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON TODAY IS TO MOVE THE ITEM FORWARD SO THAT THE ORDINANCE CAN BE DRAFTED BY STAFF, BUT OUR ATTORNEYS AND IT CAN BE PRESENTED -- AM I CORRECT -- ON JULY 3rd. WILL THAT BE TIME SPECIFIC? THAT WILL BE NOTIFIED WITHIN THE NEWSPAPERS, SO EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THE NOTIFICATION. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON TODAY. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT SAID, MR. WAGNER.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE INVESTMENTS YOU'VE MADE THUS FAR. THEY'VE BEEN EXCELLENT. I'VE WATCHED THEM ALONG THE WAY. FABULOUS. KEEP DOING THEM IN MY DISTRICT. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. HELPS ME OUT A LOT. AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE AND THE SPECIFICS OF IT, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT. THERE'S A COUPLE CHANGES THAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I'LL GIVE REASONS WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. WHEN I ANALYZED THESE AND LOOK AT IT, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I'M LOOKING FOR. THE VERY FIRST THRESHOLD IS CAN IT PHYSICALLY BE DONE. ARE THERE TWO BEACH APPROACHES ON EACH SIDE OF WHERE YOU WOULD CLOSE IT. THAT'S THE FIRST THRESHOLD. IF YOU CLOSE IT AND THERE'S NO BEACH APPROACH ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'RE CUTTING OFF ACCESS. THAT IS DONE. REASON I'M DOING THIS IS I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY FOUR HOTELS. I'M LAYING A RECORD. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT THRESHOLD FIRST. IF I VOTED TO SHUT DOWN THE FIRST AREA WHERE THE BEACH APPROACH IS, EVERYWHERE IS SHUT DOWN. V TO GET THROUGH THAT THRESHOLD FIRST. PROBABLY -- IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ASK AS FAR AS ACCESS IS CONCERNED. THE SECOND QUESTION FOR ME IS, BASE OFFEND WHAT THE PROJECTS IS, HOW -- BASED ON WHAT THE PROJECT IS, HOW DO I VIEW ACCESS. THE BUSINESS COMPONENT OF MAKING A DECISION LIKE THIS. I THINK IF IT'S A FOUR, FIVE-STAR RESORT, HOTEL, OBVIOUSLY FOR ME THE RATIO IS LOWER THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE AS A TWO OR THREE STAR. AN AREA THAT I THINK NEEDS THE HELP STRATEGICALLY, BUT AN AREA LIKE THIS. THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT REASONS. HOW I VIEW DEVELOPMENT -- AND IF -- HERE'S OUR CORRIDOR TO ME. YOU HAVE A 1 A, INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY. INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY, RIGHT BEFORE IT LOOKS AWFUL FROM MY LAW OFFICE, WHICH IS LIKE NOVA UP TO THE BEACH. IT'S AWFUL. BUT THERE'S A COUPLE KEY PROJECTS THINK ARE IMPORTANT. YOU HAVE THE HARD ROCK HERE. YOU HAVE THE PIER, WHAT THEY DID THERE. YOU HAVE THE PROTOTYPE GROUP THERE. YOUR PROJECT HERE. SPEEDWAY PROJECTS THERE. THERE'S A HUGE PROJECT I'M PERSONALLY WORKING ON HERE WHICH I'M EXCITED ABOUT. THE REASON WHY I THINK ALL THESE ARE IMPORTANT IS THEY'RE NOT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. OUR JOB AS GOVERNMENT AND BUSINESSMEN, MAKING BUSINESS DECISIONS IS TO FOCUS ON PROJECTS THAT ARE SPREAD APART AND LET THE PRIVATE SECTOR DO THE IN FILL. YOU BUILD PROJECT, YOU SUPPORT THESE BIG PROJECTS LIKE THE HARD ROCK. NEXT TO IT, THEY'LL MESS THERE. THE VALUES GO UP. JUST LIKE SAMIR. YOU'VE GOT TO BE EXCITED ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG DEAL. ONE THING SAMIR DID MENTION, BEING ON THE BOARD IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW. IMAGE IS KEY TO A DESTINATION. BUT SPECIFICALLY TO THIS PROJECT, AND HOW I VIEW IT, I'VE SAID ON THE RADIO, I'VE SAID IN THE MEDIA, I'VE SAID TO PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE THAT ASKS. MY VIEW IS IF IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF A 1 A WOULD BE A ONE TO TWO RATIO. THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE A HARD TIME WITH IT, THEY'RE NOT HERE. I'VE SPOKE TON A LOT OF THEM. THEY HAVE A HARD TIME WITH IT. THEY DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF BEACH DRIVING. WHAT IF YOU GET MORE ACCESS THAN WHAT YOU'RE GIVING UP. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER. IF YOU'RE GETTING MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE NOW. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE WESTIN FIVE STAR RESORT PROPERTY, WHICH IS 410 FEET. YOU HAVE TWO LOTS TO THE SOUTH, WHICH ARE MY UNDERSTANDING, UNDER CONTRACT. HOW I VIEW IT IS MY VOTE WOULD BE TO TAKE THE PROPERTY ON THE 410 FEET, BECAUSE THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO DO THE PROJECT. YOU'D PROBABLY AT WHAT POINT, WHATEVER HAPPENS ON THE SOUTH END I WOULD SUPPORT IT. THERE'D PROBABLY BE ANOTHER RATIO INVOLVED. PENDING WHAT THAT PROJECT IS. HOW I VIEW THIS IS TO SUPPORT GETTING THE WESTIN COMING IN, I WOULD SUPPORT THE 410 FEET. CREATES A TWO TO ONE RATIO FOR YOUR PROPERTY OR WHAT YOU OWN ON THE OFF BEACH PARKING. MY UNDERSTANDING, IF I'M INCORRECT -- JIM. SAID IT COULD HOLD 53 SPOTS. IF YOU USE THE NUMBERS, IS IT 53?

53 IS THE NUMBER DAYTONA ESTIMATE. THERE HASN'T BEEN A SITE LAYOUT. THAT'S THEIR ESTIMATE.

AND I KNOW, YOU CAN SQUEEZE THEM, WORK ON A PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SQUEEZE ANOTHER COUPLE SPOTS JUST BY CONVERTING A ROW TO COMPACT CARS. THERE'S A WAY TO GET TO 54.

LAYOUT IS NOT DONE, SO YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, SO HOW I VIEW IT IS. IN A TWO TO ONE RATIO ACROSS THE STREET, THE CITIZENS ARE GETTING NOT ONLY A BEAUTIFUL HOTEL, THE TAXES GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT BEACH ACCESS PER OUR CHARTER IS ESTABLISHED AS FAR AS PRECEDENT IS CONCERNED. FOR ME IT'S THE FOUR HOTELS CALLING ME THAT I CAN SAY HEARSAY THE PRECEDENT THAT MAKES SENSE. THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY, WHICH IS A HUGE DEAL. I HAVE TO SOMEWHAT SEPARATE THE TWO BECAUSE THE WESTIN PROJECT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE SOUTHERN LOTS. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF IS TO GET A WESTIN TO GO IN THERE, IT'S THE 410 FEET. YEARS AGO WE DID AN ANALYSIS. IT WAS 15 FEET PER CAR. YOU CAN SQUEEZE IN, I THINK IT WAS A LATER PROJECT DONE OR ANALYSIS WHERE IT WAS A REAL BUSY DAY AND THERE WERE 12 FEET ON AVERAGE. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE DID THIS REPORT ON. A WHOLE ANALYSIS IN ONE DAY. IT WAS 15 FEET. AT 15 FEET, 410, ONE SPOT SHORT BASED ON DAYTONA'S NUMBERS. I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP UP AND DOWN ON ONE SPOT. THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. THAT'S KIND OF HOW I LOOK AT IT. WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE, WE HAVE TO REALIZE THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE GOING TO COME. SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE LAY SOME SORT OF RECORD ON WHY AND HOW WE'RE COMING TO OUR CONCLUSION. LIKE I SAID, I'M SUPPORTING IT. I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE LAY THE RECORD FOR THAT REASON BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY COMING IN. HONESTLY, IF WE DO IT THIS WAY, IF WE DO THESE RATIOS, SAM THE END OF THE DAY -- I WAS AT THE BEACH THE OTHER DAY. I SAW JIM OUT SURFING. BROUGHT THE KIDS DOWN WITH PADDLE BOARD. IS IT CONVENIENT TO DRIVE ON THE BEACH BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO TEN FOOT PADDLE BOARDS AND TWO LITTLE KIDS, IT'S HARD. I DO LIKE THE CONVENIENCE. BUT AT HIGH TIDE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TELLS US WE CAN'T DRIVE ON THE BEACH BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET THE CARS DOWN THERE. SO YOU HAVE TO PLAN ACCORDINGLY. I SPOKE TO A ROTARY GROUP THE OTHER DAY. IT GOT HEATED. THEY DON'T THIN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN SHUT DOWN OUR BEACH. THEY DO EVERY DAY. EVERY DAY AT HIGH TIDE, YOU CAN'T DRIVE ON THE BEACH. EVERYONE IS READING THE NEWS, SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE WATER MARK. OUR BEACH WAS BIGGER BACK IN YEARS AGO. IT WAS A MUCH WIDER BEACH. OUR BEACH IS GETTING SMALLER. I CAN TELL YOU THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT SAYS AT MID TIDE YOU CAN NO LONGER GET ON THE

AND GIVING UP BEACH PARKING OR DRIVING ON THE BEACH. I AM ON THE RECORD AS NOT WANTING TO DO THAT. HERE'S WHAT I WOULD LOOK FOR. I'VE HAD A LOT OF INPUT FROM CITIZENS NOT SUPPORTING THIS. MULTIPLE SOURCES. THEY'RE NOT HERE TODAY MAYBE IN PERSON. BUT THEY'RE LISTENING AND THEY ARE WATCHING. IN YOUR PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE A LUXURY NATIONAL BRAND BEACH RESORT HOTEL AND IT'S GOING TO BE A FIRST CLASS MARQUEE LUXURY OCEAN FRONT RESORT HOTEL. AND I'M SURE YOU WILL. I'M SURE YOU WILL. HOWEVER, TO TRADE THAT OCEAN FRONT PARKING FOR VACANT LAND ACROSS FIVE LANES OF TRAFFIC, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S AN EQUAL POSTURE FOR THE CITIZENS. IT REALLY IS AN ISSUE TO COMMITMENT OF CONCERN FINISH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. WE JUST SETTLED A LAWSUIT YESTERDAY FOR SOMEBODY HIT ON THE BEACH. ACCIDENTS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. IT'S HUMAN NATURE. IT'S NOT IF, IT'S WHEN. BUT I GUESS -- THIS IS WHAT MAY HAVE TURNED ME. THE SAME QUALITY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD IN YOUR RESORT, I WOULD LOOK FOR IN PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, IN QUALITY. AND I SAID IN THAT -- AND THAT COULD INCLUDE A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. AND I'VE HEARD WELL THAT COSTS TOO MUCH MONEY. YOU'RE RIGHT. WELL WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THE BEACH TO OUR CITIZENS THAT WE'RE DEEDING OVER FOREVER. THERE IS A VALUE TO THAT. THERE'S DEFINITELY A VALUE TO THAT. THERE'S FIVE LANES OF TRAFFIC. THEN AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND MR.-- MR. MANAGER, THE PARKING LOT. IF THIS GOES FORWARD, THERE WILL BE PARKING SPACES. THEN AGAIN, HOW DO WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE. WE CANNOT GUARANTEE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OVERFLOW FOR EVENTS AT THE RESORT. WE CANNOT GUARANTEE IT WILL BE PUBLIC ACCESS FOR THE BEACH. WE CANNOT. THE PUBLIC COULD GO ON. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE GOING TO PICK UP THE TAB TO ENFORCE THE LOT? THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. AND MISS CUSACK. THERE IS A COST TO THE COUNTY OF DOING THIS. WE'LL HAVE TO PAVE THAT LOT. WE'LL HAVE TO LANDSCAPE IT. WE'LL HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND OVERSEE IT. I KNOW I'M NOT IN THE MAJORITY HERE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT FOR ME, FOR ME THE ISSUE IS PROTECTING THE CITIZENS ACCESS TO THE BEACH AND THE 17 MILES THAT ARE LEFT FOR ACCESS. IT NO WAY REFLECTS YOUR PROJECT OR THE QUALITY OF YOUR PROJECT. IF DONALD TRUMP WAS STANDING IN FRONT OF US AND WANTED TO DO A TRUMP TOWER, MY RESPONSE WOULD BE THE SAME. SO WITH THAT, I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, HOWEVER I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES IN SAYING WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT ACCESS. WE NEED TO LOOK AT BEACH PARKING. WE NEED TO LOOK AT OFF BEACH PARKING. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN ACROSS FIVE LANES OF BUSY INTERSECTION. THIS IS A REAL ISSUE FOR US AND OUR TOURIST-BASED ECONOMY. AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I SUPPORT WHOLE HEARTEDLY. AT THIS ISSUE AT THIS TIME, BASED ON THOSE REASONS I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO COME THROUGH WITH A PEDESTRIAN WALK OVER AND MAINTAIN AND GIVE US THE SAME QUALITY AND VALUE FOR OUR CITIZENS AND OFF BEACH PARKING THAT YOU AND YOUR RESORT FOLKS WILL ENJOY AT THE RESORT. THAT'S WHERE I AM. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. MR. WAGNER, MAY I GO? THANK YOU. BECAUSE I DO WANT TO ADDRESS. I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS. AND MR. BOSS AND I SAT DOWN AND WE HAD A LENGTHY CONVERSATION OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. THIS 610 FEET, I BELIEVE, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. IS THAT CORRECT? 610? IT'S ON THE LIST. IS IN THE CENTER OF THE BLOCK. THAT DOES NOT STOP ANYBODY FROM DRIVING ON TO THE BEACH, PULLING OVER INTO THAT AREA, DROPPING OFTEN THE WIFE, THE KIDS, THE UMBRELLA, THE CHAIRS, THE BEACH BALLS AND ALL THE FUN STUFF AND THEN DAD DRIVING THE CAR BACK OVER, PARKING AND DAD WALKING BY HIMSELF ACROSS THE STREET. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, SAFE VENUE. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. ONLY THING WE'D HAVE TO WORK ON WOULD BE TO ALLOW SOMEBODY TO PULL IN THERE, DO THE DROP OFF AND DRIVE BACK OUT AND NOT CHARGE THEM TO PARK ON THE BEACH. THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DID DISCUSS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON TOO. MR. WAGNER.

TWO QUICK THINGS. ONE THING. THE ORDINANCE, WHEN IT WOULD GO INTO PLACE. IT'S BASED ON FOUR CRITERIA. ONE OF THEM BE THE OPENING OF THE HOTEL? I DON'T THINK IT'S -- SEEMS LIKE THEY GET THE EASEMENTS.

THE FIRST ONE, MR. WAGNER.

I KNOW IT'S THE CERTIFICATION RATHER THAN THE OPENING OF IT. IT'S WHEN PEOPLE ARE OCCUPYING THEM.

I THINK IT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE ASKING. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE. TALK ABOUT -- WE KNEW THE ORDINANCE WOULD GO IN EFFECT IMMEDIATELY. WE DIDN'T WANT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CARS OFF THE BEACH UNTIL THERE WAS NO WAY TO REVERSE THEIR DECISION. FOR WESTIN TO AUTHORIZE THEIR FRANCHISE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE STAFF. TRAINED. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO IT AND FIND OUT SOMETHING FELL OFF. THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR NEEDS. TO PROTECT THE COUNCIL. ALL THAT HAS TO BE IN PLACE. WE'RE ABLE TO INSPECT THAT. WHO REALLY WILL INSPECT IT IS WEST. QUESTION USE THEIR CERTIFICATION. IT HAS TO BE IN PLACE.

ARE YOU SAYING THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN PEOPLE HAVE TO BE STAYING THERE?

NO, SIR. IN MY RESEARCH FROM HILTON TO WESTIN TO MARRIOTT. I READ THEM ALL. THEY ALL REQUIRE 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE FOR THE FRANCHISE OWNER TO INSPECT THE PROPERTY. THEY RUN THROUGH TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE QUALITY. CERTIFY CASE --

30 DAYS.

MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE 30 DAYS, I CAN BE MORE SPECIFIC. FROM READING THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS THAT ONE OF THEM WILL ALLOW THEM TO OPEN UP UNDER THE FLAG UNLESS THEY MEET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS. IS THAT ACCURATE, JIM? I CAN APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S CONCERNS. WE DO HAVE A BUNCH OF PROPERTIES. WE DO KNOW OF THEM, QUITE A FEW. WE ONLY PULLED THE TRIGGER ON A COUPLE.

THE ONE RIGHT AT VAN AVENUE. THOSE ARE AREAS THAT MAKE SENSE. ONE BITE AT A TIME WAS YOUR COMMENTS. I DO THINK IT'S WHAT THIS COUNCIL SHOULD PROBABLY DISCUSS AGAIN. IF IT'S NOT INCLUDING THE ECHO BOARD, SOME MECHANISM TO DO IT. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT RATIOS. BUT THAT'S THE REALITY OF THE WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN. I DON'T BLAME THEM. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE AS FAR AS HOW THAT FIRST THRESHOLD IS BEING ABLE TO PHYSICALLY DO IT. IF YOU USE THE 15 FEET.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS WITH PRECEDENT IS WE'RE NOT VOTING JUST FOR A WESTIN. THIS IS A WESTIN AND TWO PRIVATE LOTS TO THE SOUTH. THAT'S CONCERNING FROM A PRECEDENT STANDPOINT. WE'LL SEE HOW THE VOTE LIES. I HATE VOTING AGAINST THIS. I WANT TO VOTE FOR IT. 410, THE WESTIN PROJECT DESERVES TO HAVE THIS VOTE. I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD SUPPORT IT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD THROW IN TWO EXTRA LOTS BECAUSE THEY'RE NEXT TO IT. WHY NOT VOTE FOR SAMIR'S? A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. ONE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. THEY'VE DONE A LOT. WHY AREN'T WE GROUPING HIM IN? THE VOTE FOR THE TWO SOUTHERN LOTS ARE NOT DEPENDENT. AM I MISTAKEN? THAT IS THE SITE OF THE DESERT IN. IS IT DEPENDED ON THE TWO SOUTHERN LOTS? MY UNDERSTANDING IS NO.

I NEED TO GIVE YOU A BROADER ANSWER.

IT'S A BIG -- THIS IS A BIG DECISION.

WE AMENDED FROM 910 TO 610 IN RESPONSE. FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE INVESTMENT IN THE AREA, THE REASON IT HASN'T BEEN MADE AVAILABLE IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE PLANS TO AUGMENT WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE INVESTMENT THEY'VE MADE IN THAT PROPERTY. FROM PERSPECTIVE, OUR PREPARATION AND CONSIDERATION OF TODAY'S AGO, THAT'S HOW WE HAVE PREPARED. WE WOULD ASK YOU TO VOTE FOR THE 610. FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE RATIOS, I REALLY THINK IT DESERVES DEBATE ANOTHER DAY. AS YOU DEVELOP A POLICY, AND YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT TODAY. I DON'T THINK SUCH PRECEDENT, YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SET POLICY. AS YOU DO THAT, INCENTIVIZING OTHER DEVELOPERS. WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO DO IS CREATE A TARGET THEY CAN REACH. WHEN YOU GO 2 TO 1 AND HAVE TO CONSIDER THE RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY THAT YOU HAVE, SHORT DISTANCES WEST OF A 1 A AND HOW YOU REPLACE THAT PARKING, THEN THE TWO TO ONE IS IN MY ESTIMATION AN OVERKILL AND A DISINCENTIVE IF THAT IS YOUR FUTURE POLICY. PROBABLY ALSO THE ABILITY TO MAKE COMBINATIONS OF OFFERS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, AND IT'S ONE THAT COMES BEFORE YOU WITHOUT A REQUEST FROM MONEY FROM THE COUNTY OR CITY. PROTOGROUP HAS ROUGHLY $4 MILLION IN INCENTIVES THEY'RE GETTING FROM THE CITY -- I'M SORRY, HARD ROCK HAS APPROXIMATELY $4 MILLION. PROTOGROUP HAS APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING. WE COME ALONE AS STAND ALONE PROPOSAL ON THE MERITS OF WHAT IS PROPOSED. CONSIDER A COUPLE THINGS. THE MAGNITUDE OF THE IMPACT AND THE INVESTMENT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED. I THINK TOOK JUST AS AN ANECDOTAL POINT. THE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT. A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS A MILITANT NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE REPRESENTED THEM --

THEY'RE NOT MILITANT. THEY'RE A GREAT COMMUNITY I REPRESENT. AND THEY ARE, YES, MILITANT.

THEY'RE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. WE'RE HERE IN PART WITH THEIR SUPPORT. SO FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE POLICY, I IT'S IT'S A BROADER DECISION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICANT BEFORE YOU. THEY'VE COME WITH A PROPOSAL. WE'VE MADE MODIFICATIONS IN RESPONSE TO COMMENT. E DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THIS PARTICULAR POINT. WE'RE ACQUIRE OF THE RATIO. HAD ABBREVIATED VERSION OF WHAT JUST SAID. ON THIS ITEM I ASK THAT YOU VOTE FOR IT THE WAY THAT IT IS. ON THE POLICY DISCUSSION. THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME YOU'LL SEE THE FAMILY AND PROJECTS. THEY'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU. I'VE TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT POSITIVE MOMENTUM. THEY'VE CREATED THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY. YOU CAN SEE IT. THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING, ALWAYS. SO PLEASE VOTE THIS ITEM AS YOU SEE IT. TAKE THE POLICY QUESTION UP. MR. PATTERSON, ONE BITE AT A TIME POLICY IS A GOOD ONE. WE DO HAVE A STAND ALONE PROJECT HERE. YOU'LL HAVE THE CHANCE TO VISIT THE OTHER ONES AND OR CREATE THE POLICY AS YOU GO. IT'S AN APPROPRIATE -- LIMITED IN SCOPE. VERY SMALL AREA OF BEACH WITH LIGHT LOADING WITH A RATIO OF REPLACEMENT. PARKING THAT ISN'T AVAILABLE AT HIGH TIDE.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I STILL -- JIM AND I ARE GOOD FRIENDS. HE'S BEEN A MENTOR MY WHOLE LIFE. I DON'T KNOW IF I VOTED -- I MAY HAVE VOTED AGAINST ONE OF HIS THINGS ONCE. WE STILL WENT SURFING THE NEXT DAY.

IT'S AN HONEST DEBATE. JUST A DIFFERENCE IN THE QUESTION.

THERE IS THE ISSUE FOR ME. WILL THE WESTIN COME IN WITHOUT THE TWO SOUTHERN LOTS?

MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE THE AGREEMENT IS

PENDING. RATIOS. WE KNEW WE COULDN'T GET ANYWHERE NEAR THE 210. THERE WASN'T AN INTENTION TO ACHE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY, BUT AN EFFORT TO ADDRESS WHAT WE COULD. WE'RE TRYING TO NOT LEAVE THAT QUESTION OPEN WITH WESTIN AND MAKE IT WHERE WE MEET THE FIRST CONDITION AND MOVE TOWARDS IMPLEMENT TAKES OF THE FRANCHISE. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL PENALTY, PROBABLY AN UNDERSTATEMENT IF THEY DON'T PERFORM. ONCE THE AGREEMENT IS SIGNED, STANDARDS THAT JAMIE HAS ARE THERE. THE QUESTION WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS WHETHER OR NOT TO PROCEED WITH THAT TOP LEVEL FRANCHISE. WESTIN IS WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE COUP SILL'S POSITION IS. I DON'T KNOW.

SO IT'S A MAYBE.

IT'S A MAYBE.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS FROM THE STANDPOINT IF YOU TOOK THE 200 OUT. IS THERE A REAL DIFFERENCE IN THE OUTCOME WELCOME I DON'T THINK SO.

NO. I DON'T WANT TO -- HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE YOU AND I HAVE. I'M VOTING FOR THIS. I TOLD THEM, I TOLD BOTH THEIR COUNCIL. I'M VOTING FOR THIS ONE WAY I'M VOTING IT WHERE I'M REALLY HAPPY. THE OTHER WAY I'M JUST HAPPY. SO IT'S -- I'M VOTING FOR IT. ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE COUNTING THE VOTES, YOU HAVE FIVE. IT'S EASY. YOU'RE JUST LISTENING TO PEOPLE. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS BE CAREFUL.

UNDERSTOOD.

BECAUSE THIS IS, AND PEOPLE ARE ONING FOR OFFICE. THE SINGLE MOST PASSIONATE ISSUE WE HAVE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. IT IS.

AND WE UNDERSTAND.

IT IS.

WE DO UNDERSTAND. I DON'T WANT TO SET MYSELF UP FOR WHEN -- WHEN THEY COME FORWARD AND DO THIS. THIS IS PRECEDENT.

IT TRULY ISN'T.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I SET, SO THEY HEAR ME, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR AND HOW I VIEW A PROJECT. THIS IS OVER A ONE TO ONE. THAT MAKES ME HAPPY. MY APPRECIATION -- I WAS VOCAL ON THE 900. I APPRECIATE IT. IT PROBABLY WAS THE TIPPING POINT FOR ME. I'M VOTING FOR IT, GUYS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN. I APPRECIATE IT. MAYBE WAS GOOD ENOUGH. I APPRECIATE IT.

I CAN'T SEE MY SCREEN.

MR. DANIELS.

YOU ARE NEXT.

I AM NEXT.

ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF WE COULD AT THIS JUNCTURE IS SEE IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL TO INSTRUCT THE STAFF TO LOOK FOR PROPERTIES ON THE BEACH THAT WOULD BE USEFUL TO ACQUIRE. THIS HAS BEEN TRIED BEFORE. TAKE THE RESTRICTIONS OFF. LET THEM GO NEGOTIATE WHERE THEY CAN NEGOTIATE. BRING IT BACK TO US AND LET US TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I AM PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN PROPERTIES THAT ARE LESS THAN AN ACRE, VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP. WE CAN PIC UP -- SHOULD BE ABLE TO PICK UP RELATIVELY CHEAPLY. THERE'S ONE THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS A PARTICULAR TRANSACTION THAT WOULD SOLVE EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM WITH REGARD TO THE QUALITY OF THE PARKING. THE OFF BEACH PARKING WE'RE GETTING WITH REGARD TO THIS PROJECT. IS THERE A CONSENSUS TO DO THAT?

MR. CHAIR --

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO CONTINUE ON WITH --

I UNDERSTAND.

I'M NOT OBJECTING TO WHAT HE'S DOING. A POINT OF ORDER. WE CAN TAKE THAT UP AT COUNCIL TIME THIS AFTERNOON, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO DO.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST TAKE THIS ONE STEP AT A TIME. AND WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND SECOND. WE'VE HAD LENGTHY DISCUSSION. I WOULD CALL FOR THE QUESTION.

THERE'S BEEN A CALL FOR THE QUESTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE QUESTION.

I HAVE ONE NO FOR THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED. IT IS A MOTION TO MOVE THIS -- THIS IS JUST A VOTE TO MOVE IT IN THE DIRECTION FORWARD AND SET IT ON THE AGENDA FOR JULY 3rd AT A PARTICULAR TIME?

9:15.

9:15. JULY 3rd FOR THE FINAL ORDINANCE TO BE READ AND ENACTED UPON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. IT SHALL BE MOVED FORWARD. JULY 3rd, 9:15. WE WILL BRING THE ORDINANCE THAT WE WILL BE BROUGHT FORTH. WE'LL MOVE ON WITH THAT.

I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY HERE WHO SPENT ALL THEIR TIME ON THIS. SAY ONE THING. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'LL DO YOU GUYS PROUD.

HAVING TOURED YOUR PROPERTY, YES, I DO BELIEVE SO. MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A MINI BUDGET WORKSHOP. IT'S THE OVERVIEW AND DIRECTION FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE FUNDING LEVELS. MR. RICK KARL OR ROB.

CAN WE HAVE TEN MINUTE RECESS HERE?

OKAY, WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS. WE WILL BE IN RECESS FOR TEN.

IF WE COULD PLEASE CLEAR THE CHAMBERS. TAKE THE CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE. WE DO HAVE SOME MORE BUSINESS TO ATTEND TO. COUNTY COUNCIL WOULD PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY FOR THIS MORNING. WE DO NEED SOME ORDER IN THE CHAMBERS.

CHAMBERS, PLEASE COME TO ORDER. THANK YOU. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE A SPIRITED GROUP WHEN YOU'RE HERE IN THE CHAMBERS. IT'S AMAZING. GOOD MORNING, YES. MR. RICK KARL. THE COUNCIL IS SEATED OR SHOULD BE MOMENTARILY.

MR. CHAIR.

YES.

BEFORE YOU GO TO THE NEXT ITEM. IF YOU WOULD RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER DENYS.

I WAS GOING THERE. MISS DENYS. YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CORRECTION FOR THE RECORD.

FOR THE RECORD, LET MY VOTE BE RECORDED AS A NO ON THE LAST VOTE. THAT'S APPROPRIATE. YES, SIR. YES, MA'AM. THAT WAS THE ITEM NUMBER THREE. HERS WAS A NO VOTE ON TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. SO VOTE WOULD HAVE BEEN 6-1. ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE WE CONTINUE FORWARD? OKAY.

THAT'S NOT ME, IS IT? IT'S YOU. WILL YOU QUIT DOING THAT. CAN WE GET HIM A NEW MICROPHONE PLEASE?

HE'S BEEN BLAMING YOU ALL THESE WEEKS.

ALL THESE WEEKS YOU'VE BEEN BLAMING ME. GET HIM A NEW MICROPHONE. I HAVE ONE YEAR, AS A MATTER OF FACT. ANYWAYS. ALL RIGHT. WITHOUT FURTHER INTERRUPTION, DO YOU NEED TO SPEAK?

YES.

THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

WHAT I MENTIONED TO ALL YOU INDIVIDUALLY, I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR. THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL. I WOULD BELIEVE WE OUGHT TO HAVE AT LEAST A FULL DAY WORKSHOP ON JUST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. I THINK THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED. WE HAD THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE FOCUS AREAS. I'D ENCOURAGE US TO SET -- WE'RE DOING A BIG WORKSHOP. WE OUGHT TO DO ONE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS SIMPLY ABOUT ONE ELEMENT. I AM FINISHING THE BUDGET THAT I WILL BE GIVING YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING. I HAVE TO PUT IN, I BELIEVE, THAT I NEED TO PUT MONEY INTO THE BUDGET IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR INCENTIVE POT. THIS IS A SEPARATE CASH POT WE KEPT MONEY IN. THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE IN THE PAST WAS THAT WE WERE FUNDING IT, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. WE DIVERTED THAT FUNDING TO RAIL. THAT WAS A DECISION FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. YOU'LL SEE HOW WE TOOK THE MONEY IN THAT POT. WE OFFSET MONEY GOING TO RAIL. NOW WE HAVE COME TO THE POINT WHERE THAT DISCRETIONARY FUND WILL BE PRETTY MUCH EXHAUSTED. I HAVE ABOUT $700,000 LEFT OVER. WHEN YOU PAY FOR THE INCUBATOR AND TEAM VOLUSIA, WE'LL ONLY HAVE ABOUT $100,000. IN MY BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, I WILL BE TAKING, LOOKING AT OUR REVENUES. ESPECIALLY THE AMOUNT WE ANTICIPATE WE WILL GET INCREASED BECAUSE OF VALUES AND TAXES. LOOKING AT WHERE I'LL PUT THOSE THINGS. SOME OF THESE ARE THINGS WE'LL HAVE TO DO. THE ROOF ON THE BRANCH JAIL. THE ONE DISCRETIONARY AREA IS THE INCENTIVE POT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHAT I WANTED TO DO TODAY WAS SHOW HOW WE WERE USING THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW, IF YOU SAY SO. I'M GOING TO SHOW THIS IN MY BUDGET. THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD PARK THE MONEY. AND IT WAS CRUCIAL, LIKE WHEN TRADER JOE'S CAME TOWARD, I HAD THAT MONEY IN THE POT. I KNEW HOW FAR I COULD GO. I DIDN'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE AT A PUBLIC MEETING BY TRANSFERRING MONEY WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC INCENTIVES. BECAUSE IT'S GENERAL FUND MONEY, YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD TO OR MOVE IT IN YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE. THIS IS THE ONE AREA OF THE BUDGET WHERE I WANTED SOME GUIDANCE BEFORE I DID IT. THIS IS EXTREMELY DISCRETIONARY. THIS IS JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF JUST THE INCENTIVE POT. TAMMY WILL WALK YOU THROUGH WITH MYSELF, THROUGH THE SHEETS OF HOW THE MONEY HAS BEEN USED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. THANK YOU.

TAMMY.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET DIRECTOR. JUST PULL UP THE PRESENTATION REAL QUICK. WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH A SLIDE WHICH TALKS ABOUT JUST THE INCENTIVE, AND A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY ON HOW YOU HAVE SPENT YOUR INCENTIVE MONEY OVER THE YEARS. THIS IS A SNAPSHOT JUST FOCUSING ON THE INCENTIVE PORTION OF THE FUNDING. ACROSS THE TOP IS YOUR FISCAL YEAR THAT THE EXPENDITURES PERTAIN TO. ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WOULD BE THE ACTUAL PROJECTS WE HAVE ITEMIZED OUT. SOME OF THE ONES THAT WERE BIGGER IN NATURE. SOME OF THE HISTORY IS DELAND CROSSING. FSU MEDICAL SCHOOL. YOUR TEAM VOLUSIA WHICH STARTED ITS PARTICIPATION IN FISCAL YEAR 11. ALONG WITH INCUBATOR PROGRAM, WHICH WE CONTINUE THAT ENDEAVOR. WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN FOLLOWING SLIDES. YOUR INCENTIVE GRANTS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDES, WHICH IS FUNDING THAT YOU'VE GIVEN OUT TO LOCAL EVENTS AND OR LOCAL MATCHES. LEVERAGING YOUR STATE DOLLARS FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA. RANGES FROM AS LITTLE AS 300,000 UP TO YOU KNOW, 2.8 MILLION OVER THE TREND. THE MONEY WE CONTRIBUTED ON THE ANNUAL BASIS IS THE LINE CALLED INCENTIVE FUNDING. THAT'S MONEY COMING FROM YOUR GENERAL FUND. WE HAVE NOTED THE MONEY WE HAVE FOR COMMUTER RAIL. AS MR. DINEEN HAD NOTED, FIRST YEAR THAT THAT PAYMENT WAS MADE. FROM 2011 AND FORWARD, THAT PLAN IS STILL SOMETHING WE'RE DOING. IT IS NOT BEING REPRESENTED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND. IT IS AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE. THIS SHOWS YOUR TOTAL CONTRIBUTION OVER THE YEARS HAVE BEEN RIGHT AROUND 1 MILLION TO $2.5 MILLION THROUGH THE YEARS. AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR 13, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDE, IS YOU HAVE A BALANCE FORWARD OF 4.4 MILLION. OVER THE YEARS, OPPORTUNITIES HAVE PRESENTED THEMSELVES. YOU SPENT IT FOR THIS I BELIEVE SENT PITCH AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 13, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY LEFT. FISCAL YEAR 14 WE'VE DONE SOME AMAZING THINGS. THESE ITEMS HAVE COME BEFORE YOU. WE HAVE ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE INCENTIVE POT, AS YOU WOULD SAY. $1.6MILLION IN 14s BUDGET. ALONG WITH THAT FUND BALANCE OF 4.4. YOU STARTED OFF THE YEAR IN GOOD SHAPE WITH $6 MILLION. YOU CONTINUE THE EFFORTS WITH TEAM VOLUSIA. ALONG WITH YOUR EFFORTS OF THE INCUBATOR PROGRAM AT AIRPORT. THE GRANTS CONTRACTS PRIMARILY IS LEVERAGING THE LOCAL DOLLARS FOR THE STATE MONEY. ALSO LOCAL AWARDS YOU HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. FOLLOWED BY ITEMS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT IN DISCUSSION WITH STAFF. THINGS WE POSSIBLY MIGHT COME INTO PLAY. WE HAVE ALLOCATED THAT FUNDING. TRADER JOE'S ACCOMPLISHMENT DONE IN MARCH ALONG WITH ONE DAYTONA. THE ON GOING SUPPORT AND CONTINUATION OF CARING FOR THE FUNDING FOR YOUR DEVIL ROAD INTERSECTION. LEAVING YOUR TOTAL OF 5.2 MILLION. AGAIN, JUST AS A FOOTNOTE, WE DID CONTINUE TO DO THE 1.2 MILLION IN YOUR COMMUTER RAIL ECONOMIC INCENTIVE.

ON THIS SHEET, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID LAST YEAR WAS WE TRADITIONALLY HELPED -- PROBABLY IS ADVISABLE TO HOLD ABOUT $1.5 MILLION IN HERE HISTORICALLY GIVEN THAT WE ARE THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THINGS LIKE QTI, MATCHES WITH THE STATE AND THEN THE ABILITY TO RESPOND, ESPECIALLY WHERE WE DO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS PART OF A PROJECT. THE REASON I PUT MONEY LAST YEAR WAS BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WEREN'T GOING TO SPEND THE BEVEL ROAD INTERSECTION. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING IN ON THE BACK OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY. THAT WILL AIR LOW THAT PROPERTY TO BE OPEN IN THE FUTURE. YOU WON'T HAVE THE ROAD SYSTEM THROUGH THERE. BUT THE POINT THAT WOULD BE THE BOTTLENECK IN TRYING TO GET DONE IS THE INTERSECTION. COUNCIL AGREED TO THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. PUT MONEY ASIDE. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SPENDING IT. I ANTICIPATED THAT. PUT THE MONEY OVER, WHICH WOULD HAVE REPLACED THIS. DID NOT ANTICIPATE AT THE TIME, TRADER JOE'S. WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE MONEY GOT SPENT FOR TRADER JOE'S. I'LL NOW COME INTO THE YEAR -- IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE BALANCE FORWARD. TEAM VOLUSIA EXPENSE AND INCUBATOR PROGRAM. I'M ONLY SHOWING 158.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IF YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 04-4, PLEASE. WHY ARE ALL THESE COMPANIES LISTED ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE?

IT WAS A REFERENCE POINT FOR YOU IN CASE -- THESE ARE THINGS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU FROM COUNCIL AND OR GRANT MATCHES THAT ARE QTI. THINGS THAT REPRESENTED THAT $1 MILLION.

IT'S WHERE THE MONEY WENT.

JUST AS A REFERENCE POINT.

LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN SMALL PRINT.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE GET THROUGH THIS, WHAT I THOUGHT I WOULD DO. THIS IS JUST THE MONEY SECTION OF WHAT I'M REALLY LOOKING AT. ROB IS HERE TO GO OVER THE THINGS WE'VE SPENT I BELIEVE SENTIVE MONEY ON. -- INCENTIVE MONEY ON. I PLAN ON SHOWING ABOUT 1.3 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK I CAN AFFORD TO SHOW MOVING TO THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM IN MY BUDGET. EVERYTHING ELSE I'M WORKING ON. I'LL PRESENT THE BUDGET, WHICH WILL BE NEXT MEETING. WHILE THIS IS NOT ALL ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I THOUGHT I SHOULD GET YOUR GUIDELINE ON THIS BEING DISCRETION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO TIP OUR HAND PUBLICLY IN THE TRADER JOE'S DECISIONS, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE MONEY THERE. WHEN WE HAVE THE BIGGEST DISCUSSION ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEY LOOK AT IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE FUNDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AT ONE POINT THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF HAVING A CERTAIN AMOUNT GOING INTO THE FUND, WHICH WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF ABOUT WHAT WE

THAT WAS ABOUT 3.5 MILLION IN FUNDING. THERE WAS LAND. SIX LOTS THERE. FOUR OF THOSE ARE SOLD. YOU'RE SEEING AMONG THE COMPANIES THAT ARE OPERATING THERE, THERE ARE TWO LOTS REMAINING TO BE SOLD. THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT'S CREATED IS FOR THESE FOUR COMPANIES. YOU SEE THEM LISTED DOWN THE LEFT HAND SIDE. OVER -- ROUGHLY 185,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES THAT DID NOT EXIST PRIOR TO THIS INITIATIVE BEING TAKEN. THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, PRIVATE SECTOR HAS BROUGHT TO VOLUSIA COUNTY IN CONSTRUCTING THE FACILITIES EXCEEDS $15 MILLION. IF YOU'RE ASKING YOURSELF WHAT HAS THAT DONE FOR THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF REVENUE, SPECIFIC TO GENERAL FUND REVENUE ONLY THROUGH TAX YEAR 2013, IT'S ROUGHLY $213,000. WE ARE, IN ADDITION TO THE BENEFITS THAT THE COMPANIES BRING IN TERMS OF JOBS AND CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, WE ARE REALIZING ANNUAL NEW REVENUE, ANNUALLY. SO THAT'S KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF AN INFRASTRUCTURE EFFORT IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AS THE MANAGER SAID, TRADER JOE'S IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A BUSINESS RECRUITMENT SUCCESS STORY. I HAVE RECENTLY SEEN THIS QUOTE FROM HENRY FORD IN ANOTHER CAPACITY AND I THOUGHT IT CAPTURED WELL THE EFFORT THAT WE NOW KNOW WENT INTO MAKING THIS RECRUITMENT PROJECT A SUCCESS. WORKING TOGETHER IS SUCCESS. SIMILARLY WE HAVE, AS YOU KNOW OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON BUSINESS EXPANSION AND BUSINESS RETENTION PROJECTS. THESE ARE ALSO THE RESULT OF WORKING TOGETHER TO BE SUCCESSFUL. YOU SEE SIX COMPANIES LISTED ON THE SIDE IN THE LOWER PART OF THE SLIDE THERE. ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES ANNOUNCING AS YOU KNOW AS LAST WEEK. IS BENEFITS THOSE COMPANIES BRING TO THE AREA, CURRENTLY THEY HAVE OVER 1700 EMPLOYEES COMBINED BETWEEN THOSE SIX COMPANIES WITH A TOTAL PAYROLL ESTIMATED AT OVER $60 MILLION. THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. MORE IMPORTANTLY GOING FORWARD, THESE ARE COMPANIES THAT HAVE CONSIDERED EXPANDING AND IN A COUPLE OF CASES SAID THEY WERE CONSIDERING LEAVING. IN THE END HAVE ANNOUNCED TO STAY IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. IN THEIR RESPECTIVE AREAS AND IN SOME CASES BUILD NEW FACILITIES. NEW PAYROLL OF ROUGHLY $17 MILLION. AND NEW PRIVATE SEC TAR CAPITAL EXPENDITURE EXCEEDING $50 MILLION. IF YOU'RE ASKING TO YOURSELF, I REMEMBER SEEING THESE COMPANY NAMES. MAYBE YOU VOTED ON A MATCH FOR THE PROGRAM. BUT COLLECTIVELY THE SIX COMPANIES IS VOTING TO CONTRIBUTE ALMOST $361,000 IN LOCAL MATCH FOR THESE COMPANIES APPLICATIONS STATE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. THERE ARE OTHER PARTNERS IN OUR COUNTRY THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED INCENTIVES TO SOME OF THESE DEALS. WAS NOT ENTIRELY THE $361,000 IN MATCHING MONEY FROM THE STATE. I THINK IT SETS A POSITIVE EXAMPLE FOR WHAT'S GOING ON IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TODAY. I THINK IT MAKES CLEAR THAT INCENTIVE FUND MATTERS IN TERMS OF CREATING OPPORTUNITY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN A WAY THAT IS MEANINGFUL TO OUR COMMUNITY, NEW JOBS, NEW PRIVATE SEC TAR INVESTMENT. THAT OVER TIME ADDS TO THE TAX BASE. THANK YOU.

SORRY ABOUT. I DON'T NEED ACTION TODAY. I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW THIS IN THE BUDGET. IN THE BUDGETS DISCUSSIONS YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT YOUMENT TO DO. I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO SHOW THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT GETTING AHEAD OF COUNCIL. YOU WANT TO RETHINK HOW WE'RE DOING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUFF. I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH, EVERYONE HAS COME TO RELY ON US FOR ALL THE CASH MATCHES. EVEN TEAM VOLUSIA. IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING IN THIS FUND, THEN I'D HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, WHICH SOMETIMES WOULDN'T WORK VERY WELL FOR US. WE PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON A LARGER SCALE. I'M GOING TO SHOW THIS CAPITAL BEING IN THIS ACCOUNT. WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE IT IN WE NEED TO. IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYONE, THAT'LL BE IN MY BUDGET.

ALL RIGHT. ANY -- MISS NORTHEY HAS COMMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS. THIS QUOTE, COMING TOGETHER IS THE BEGINNING, KEEPING TOGETHER IS PROGRESS, WORKING TOGETHER IS SUCCESS. I THINK WITH THAT IN MIND, I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUDGET WORK -- NOT WORKSHOP, BUT MINI --

JUST ON INCENTIVE.

BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. HI THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LEADERSHIP AND ALSO FROM TEAM VOLUSIA TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAIN STATION SITE. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT EVERY SITE, EVERY STATION ALONG THE ALIGNMENT IS SEEING PROGRESS IN DEVELOPMENT. APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT TEAM VOLUSIA PARTICULARLY WAS DOING WITH, I GUESS THEY HIRED A COMPANY TO DO SOME EVALUATIONS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THIS COUNCIL. I KNOW COULD BE SILL MEMBER PATTERNSON SERVES ON THEIR BOARD AND HAS INSIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ALL KNOW HOW WELL EVERYBODY IS WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE. AT SOME POINT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. I'D SEEK TO SEE A DEVELOPMENT WORKSHOP. I WILL CONTINUE TO SEEK ANSWERS ON DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE DEBERRY TRAIN STATION. SUN RAIL IS A HUGE ECONOMIC COSTTOUS. IT'S -- YOU PUT IT INTO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND. THERE NEEDS TO BE AN EXPECTATION JUST AS -- JUST AS THAT ONE SLIDE THAT SHOWED WE WERE GETTING SOME RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT THAT WE'RE GETTING SOME RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT. IN SUN RAIL, THAT'S DEVELOPMENT. THAT WILL BE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THAT TRAIN STATION. I'M GOING TO SEEK ANSWERS ON THAT AND HOLD OUR GUYS AND KEITH TO THE, THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE ON THIS ONE.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO. BEYOND JUST A WORKSHOP. HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THIS COUNCIL MAY HAVE A VIEW OF IT. THE ECONOMY HAS CHANGED. IT'S A NEW DAY. ONE THING THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL. THAT'S FOR US TO HAVE THE WORKSHOP, HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH THE OTHER PARTNERS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED IS WE REALLY GET TAKEN FOR GRANTED THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE ALL THE CASH FOR EVERYONE. IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, FINE. I DON'T THINK THEY RECOGNIZE ANY MORE HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE DEVOTING. WE PUT IN THE BIG CHUCK OF MONEY FOR TEAM VOLUSIA, WHICH WERE ALL GOOD THINGS. IT'D BE INTERESTING FOR ALL OF US TO SIT IN A ROOM AND UNDERSTAND -- SOME CITIES ARE PUTTING MORE MONEY IN THAN OTHERS. SOME ARE NOT PUTTING ANY IN. IT'D BE A REAL GOOD DISCUSSION TO FIGURE OUT WHERE EVERYBODY IS AT.

I'M WITH YOU ON THAT ONE.

I'M GOING TO SHOW THIS IN MY BUDGET THAT I'LL HAND OUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. PATTERSON.

GOING NOWHERE.

RESPOND TO SOMETHING MRS. NORTHEY SAID. I'VE BEEN IN SEAMS FOR 38 YEARS. YOU'RE NOT THE MOST POPULAR GUY IN THE WORLD WHEN YOU'RE SELLING LIFE INSURANCE. WHAT WAS IT, A WOODY ALLEN MOVIE ONE TIME WHERE THE GUY WAS IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT AND IT TO BE IN THERE WITH A LIFE INSURANCE SALES MAN ??? THEY ABOLISHED THE DEATH PENALTY. THEY PUT YOU IN A CELL WITH -- INSTEAD OF THE DEATH PENALTY THEY PUT YOU IN A CELL WITH A LIFE INSURANCE AGENT AND MOST PEOPLE ARGUING THAT IT WAS CRUELER THAN THE DEATH PENALTY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AND I GO TO THE MEETINGS. THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES ON. WHEN KEITH PUTS WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, OF COURSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. THEY'RE ALL CODED BECAUSE OF CONFIDENTIALITY REASONS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU'VE GOT TO TURN OVER A LOT OF ROCKS TO START PUTTING THE LIST UP THERE OF PEOPLE COMING IN. I'VE SEEN SOME, THERE WAS AN INTEREST BUT THEN THERE'S A PIECE MISSING. SOMETHING WOULD BE MISSING. WHETHER IN THE COMMUNITY. E REMEMBER THE AMAZON. WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH POPULATION AREA TO ESSENTIAL THEM AS WELL AS ENOUGH -- THE TRAFFIC WOULD PROBABLY HAVE CREATED A MAJOR STIR. WHAT WAS IT, ABOUT 60 TRACTOR TRAILER LOADS AN HOUR COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE. ALMOST ALL DAY LONG. MORE THAN THAT. SOMETIMES YOU'RE JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO MEET THE CRITERIA. IT'S A BIG DEAL. I WAS THERE WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THEY'D STAY HERE. THAT WAS A BIG DEAL. THAT WAS AN EMOTIONAL TIME. THERE WERE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES IN THAT ROOM. SOME OF THEM WERE ON PINS AND NEEDLES. THEY WERE LOOKING AT MOVING OUT OF THE AREA. THEY DECIDED TO STAY HERE. OPINION. FRONTIER COMMUNICATIONS. WE'RE THEIR NUMBER ONE LOCATION IN THE NATION. WE'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB. IT COMES WITH A COST. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND KNOW THAT IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT OUT THERE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I'VE SEEN COMMUNITIES JUST REALLY GO TO THE MAT AND PUT THINGS OUT THERE THAT WE KNOW POLITICALLY WE CAN'T MATCH SOMETIMES. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE OF IT. WE'VE GOT TO KEEP PLUGGING ALONG. PLUGGING ALONG, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU THROW THAT PLUG OUT IN THE WATER YOU'RE GOING TO CATCH A FISH AND SOMETIMES YOU'RE NOT. THAT WAS A BAD ANALOGY.

DO YOU NEED A NEW MICROPHONE, SIR? MISS ADAIR, YOU'RE NEXT. MISS ADAIR. GINGER. ALL RIGHT, WELL ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS THE RESOLUTION FOR THE FLORIDA -- GINGER ADAIR. OH, IT'S KELLY

McGEE.

ON JUNE 5th OF THIS YEAR COUNCIL REQUESTED THAT WE ATTACH A RESOLUTION PROMOTING CLEAN WATER TO OUR AGENDA. SO THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR CONSIDERATION. IT'S A FAIRLY SIMPLE RESOLUTION. ON PAGES 5-2 AND 5-3. IT WAS BROUGHT BY THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT. I'M NOT SURE IF HE IS HERE. I WOULD INTRODUCE HIM, BUT WITH THIS, VOLUSIA COUNTY WOULD RESOLVE TO WORK IN GOOD FAITH TO INSURE CLEAN AND ABUNDANT WATER.

THE RESOLUTION IS BEFORE US.

I BELIEVE THERE IS NO COST TO US ON THIS?

CORRECT.

I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL. FURTHER DISCUSSION. AS TO SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY ANY FEW BY AYE. SO CARRIED, UNANIMOUS. VERY SHORT AND SWEET. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER SIX. CONTRACT FOR THE MASS TELEPHONE -- OH, I'M SORRY. 6A. HAVE TO GO BACK. COUNTY COUNCIL COMMUNITY SPONSORSHIP FUNDING. CINDY FINNEY.

YES. GOOD MORNING. CINDY FINNEY WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE. THE COUNCIL ASKED TO REVIEW ITS POLICY FOR BUYING SPONSORSHIPS AND TICKETS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO REPRESENT THE COUNTY AT VARIOUS COMMUNITY FUNCTIONS. AS YOU KNOW AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T BUY ANY SPONSORSHIPS OR PAY FOR ANY TICKETS. THIS HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE THE COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVAL ONLY A HANDFUL OF SPONSORSHIPS IN JANUARY OF 2013. I HAVE PROVIDED YOU A LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS WE'VE SPONSORED IN PREVIOUS YEAR EXPECTS LIST CAN BE REDUCED OR EXPANDED AS THE COUNCIL WISHES. WE'RE SEEKING CORRECTION AS TO HOW THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PROCEED WITH THESE.

THE ONLY REASON IT'S ON HERE IS BECAUSE COUNCIL REQUESTED IT BE ON IT.

YES, WE DID. MISS NORTHEY. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU. I'M NOT AS INTERESTED IN THE SPONSORSHIP ELEMENT OF IT. I REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNTY GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO GET BACK INTO. I DO THINK THOUGH THAT AS COUNCIL MEMBERS WE NEED TO BE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND ABOUT AND THERE IS A COST TO THAT FOR THOSE TICKETS, THOSE TICKETS RANGE ANYWHERE FROM WHAT $25 TO SOMETIMES $100.

I'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN REQUESTS FOR $200. AND I'M LIKE, WOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M NECESSARILY SUPPORTIVE OF REENGAGING ON SPONSORSHIPS, BUT I DO THINK THAT INDIVIDUAL TICKETS SHOULD BE COVERED AS A PART OF DOING COUNCIL BUSINESS. DOING COUNTY GOVERNMENT BUSINESS. THAT WOULD BE MY POSITION.

YEAH, AND -- WELL, OKAY. MR. PATTERSON.

I DON'T SUPPORT ANY OF IT. I REALLY DON'T. I GUESS I'M JUST GOING BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS WHEN I FIRST CAME ON TO COUNCIL. YOU WENT TO EVENTS YOU WANTED TO AND YOU PAID FOR THEM. THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THE WAY THAT THE CHARTER HAD BEEN WRITTEN ORIGINALLY. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN GO TO ANY PLACE THEY WANT TO IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING. I HAVEN'T TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF ANY OF THESE EVENTS THAT I DIDN'T PAY FOR MYSELF.

ALL RIGHT. I'M ACTUALLY UP NEXT. YEAH, THE REASON WHY I EVEN ASKED ABOUT THIS OR WANTED TO BRING THIS UP AND DISCUSS THIS WAS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FUNCTIONS THAT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU. YOU ALL HAVE A JOB AND MOST OF YOU GUYS DO YOUR DAILY DUTIES. BUT THIS IS MY DAILY DUTY. I GO EVERYWHERE IN THIS COUNTY. I AM NOT COMPENSATED FOR FUEL COSTS. MAINTENANCE ON MY VEHICLE. BELIEVE ME, LAST YEAR I WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZED AS TO HOW MANY MILES I DRIVE. BETWEEN HERE, TALLAHASSEE, ORLANDO AND ALL OVER THIS COUNTY. IT WAS JUST A, THERE ARE SOME THINGS I'D LIKE TO GO AND REPRESENT THE COUNTY ON AND I JUST SAID, I'M WITH MISS NORTHEY. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE MEMBERSHIP IDEA. WE DON'T -- IF YOU WANT TO BE A MEMBER OF A CLUB, THAT'S YOUR PERSONAL. I AM A MEMBER OF SEVERAL CLUBS. THAT'S ME PERSONALLY. BUT IT'S JUST THESE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT POP UP, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE THE THING THIS EVENING. $25 TICKET. EVEN THOUGH THEY ASKED ME TO BE A PRESENTER. THEY WANTED ME TO BE A PRESENTER AND PRESENT THEM WITH A CHECK FOR $25.

MINE IS $50 TONIGHT THE ONE I'M GOING TO.

WE GET NAILED FOR THESE THINGS, BUT AS OUR JOB AS REPRESENTATIVES, WE FEEL OBLIGATED TO GO TO THEM. I REALLY DON'T LIKE TELLING THESE, SOME OF THESE OS HEY, I CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE YOU GOT THIS HUMUNGOUS COST AND YOU WANT ME JUST TO COME THERE AND BE A SPEAKER OR DO A PRESENTATION OR DO SOMETHING, BUT YET I'VE GOT TO PAY. I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION, THE DISCUSSION I WAS LOOKING FOR. BUT YEAH, I DO AGREE THIS -- THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS, IF WE WANT TO DO A SINGLE TIME PRESENTATION, GO AHEAD. THEY JUST SAY COME ON IN, WE WANT YOU TO DO THE PRESENTATION, SPEAK TO US AND I DO IT. THERE'S NO COST AND THAT'S FINE. BUT IT'S THESE OTHER ONES THAT GET OUT THERE THAT JUST GETS A LITTLE COSTLY. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS MY JOB. THIS IS ALL I DO. I DON'T WORK IN THE RADIO BUSINESS ANY MORE. I'M SO BUSY DOING THIS, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. SO THAT WAS JUST MY QUESTION, MY DISCUSSION THAT I WANTED -- MY POINT OF VIEW I WANTED TO BRING UP TO EVERYBODY. I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE VARYING POINTS OF VIEW ON THIS. MR. DANIELS. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

YES, I AGREE WITH MR. PATTERSON. I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO BE DOING THIS. IF WE DO IT, I THINK I WOULD BE MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH MS. NORTHEY. IF YOU WANT TO BUY A TICKET TO SOMETHING, THEN, YOU KNOW, CALL IT THE COUNTY AND HAVE THEM BUY A TICKET. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THE LIST OF THESE EVENTS. I DIDN'T GET IT AS PART OF MY AGENDA PACKAGE AND HAVEN'T SEEN A SUBSEQUENT ONE COME THROUGH WITH IT. BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO GO TO SOMETHING THAT IS A V CARD THAT WASN'T A DINNER ONLY, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD INTEREST ME. IT MAY NOT INTEREST ANYBODY ELSE. I WOULD, IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO GET WHAT INTERESTS THEM PAID FOR, I WANT THAT. BUILDERS EVENTS. YOU KNOW, BUILDERS ASSOCIATION HAS EVENTS. THERE'S NOT ANYTHING ON THERE ABOUT THAT. I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO BE GOING DOWN THIS PATH. I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO GO TO YOU CALL UP, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THE COUNTY OUGHT TO PAY FOR IT, YOU CALL UP AND GET THE COUNTY TO PAY FOR IT. THEN MR. GANTT WILL WRITE AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT ONE OF THESE DAYS. THANK YOU.

YES, HE WILL. IS HE STILL HERE? I TOLD YOU I WAS GOING TO CALL YOU OUT WHEREVER YOU ARE. MISS CUSACK.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT A PATH WHERE I AM WILLING TO GO DOWN TODAY. SIMPLY BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS, WHAT IT APPEARS IS THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING TAXPAYERS TO FUND CHICKEN DINNERS FOR US. NOW, I DON'T HAVE NOTHING AGAINST CHICKEN DINNERS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT I SHOULD ASK THE COUNTY TO PAY FOR THAT. NOW HAVING SAID THAT, AS CHAIR, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A BUDGET SIMPLY FOR THE CHAIR. HE IS THE PERSON THAT IS MOST DELEGATED TO DO THINGS ON OUR BEHALF. SO I WOULD NOT BE -- I WOULD NOT OPPOSE -- I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO HAVING SOME STIPEND AS FAR AS TICKETS FOR THE CHAIR THAT'S GOING TO GO TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY COUNCIL. BUT FOR US TO PAY FOR HIS TICKET AND ALL OF OUR TICKETS TO GO TO THINGS THAT, IF YOU WANT TO GO, YOU PAY. IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO GO, DON'T GO. TRY TO MAKE SURE YOU SEE YOUR CONSTITUENTS IN OTHER WAYS. BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH AT THIS TIME. SPONSORSHIPS, HOW DO YOU PICK AND CHOOSE. IT'S A LOT OF THINGS ON HERE THAT INTERESTING ME. IT'S A LOT OF THINGS ON HERE I'D LIKE TO SEE AS PART OF THIS LIST THAT ARE NOT HERE. I WOULD SAY IF I WOULD EVER IN ANY WAY IT WOULD BE TO SAY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU PAY YOUR WAY. FOR THE CHAIR, IF YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED TO GO ON BEHALF TO RESPECT THE COUNTY, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD PICK UP THAT TAB. THAT'S WHERE I AM, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

MR. WAGNER. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

YEAH, I LIKED IT WHEN WE SPONSORED THINGS, PERSONALLY I DON'T MIND PAYING FOR MYSELF TO GO TO STUFF. IF YOU'RE ASKED TO GO, THE COUNTY SHOULD PAY FOR IT. I DON'T MIND PAYING FOR MYSELF. IF YOU'RE GOING FOR THE COUNTY TO PAY, THAT'S A FAIR WAY OF DOING IT. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

I MEAN, SEE IN DEFENSE I DON'T GO TO A LOT OF THINGS. IF THEY SAY WE WANT YOU TO COME OVER AND HAVE DINNER AND DO THE STUFF, I SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH BUT NO THANK YOU. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND MONEY TO DO IT. I'M NOT REPRESENTING THE COUNTY ON THAT ISSUE. I'M GOING AS A PERSONAL THING. LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE MANY THINGS I DO PERSONALLY THAT I PAY FOR, CLUBS THAT I'M A MEMBER OF THAT I GO TO THAT I PAY FOR THOSE MEMBERSHIPS. SO I WOULD NEVER BE ASKING THE COUNTY TO DO THAT. MISS DENYS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I GUESS I'M LEANING TOWARDS THE LOGIC OF MR. PATTERSON. I THINK IT'S A DANGEROUS SLOPE HERE TO SINGLE ONE OF US OUT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. INCLUDING THE CHAIR TO SAY WHEN HE GOES HE REPRESENTS THE COUNCIL. I THINK WHEN ANY OF US GO TO AN EVENT, I KNOW MISS CUSACK, YOU DELIVER PROBING LA MAKES ON OUR BEHALF. WE GO TO ORGANIZATIONS. I THINK THE MESSAGE HAS GOT TO BE CLEAN CORRAL. WHEN ANY OF US ARE IN THE COMMUNITY, WE REPRESENT THE COUNCIL IN OUR OFFICIAL POSITION. I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE SLOPE OF ONE OVER THE OTHER. IT'S GOT TO BE AN ALL OR NOTHING AS THIS COUNCIL HAS ALWAYS DONE. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO TABLE.

SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON. FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. MR. WAGNER AND MISS CUSACK ARE OPPOSED TO TABLE. YOU ARE OPPOSED TO TABLE.

WHO ELSE, I'M SORRY. MR. WAGNER. MISS NORTHEY, MR. WAGNER AND MISS CUSACK.

NORTHEY. IT'S NOT TABLE. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY, I DIDN'T GET THE NAMES OR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M SORRY. I USUALLY RAISE MY HAND. BECAUSE I GOT THE MICROPHONE ON. I DID OPPOSE. MISS NORTHEY, MR. DAVIS, MR. WAGNER. I JUST WANTED THIS ISSUE FINISHED TODAY. WELL TABLING IS JUST PUSHING IT OFF. WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE AND YOU'RE UP, MR. PATTERSON.

I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO IT. MR. CHAIR, YOU ARE PAID MORE THAN WE ARE AS A CHAIR, SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD ADEQUATELY COVER ANY EVENTS YOU HAVE TO GO TO. YOU MIGHT AS WELL ADD THE VICE CHAIR INTO THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF DOING THAT. I JUST MOVE THAT WE DENY THIS REQUEST AND --

OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR DENIAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. I NEED A SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. DANIELS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. PATTERSON, YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR. MR. DANIELS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

PAY FOR IT--CLOSE? SO IT IS A REJECTION OF THE MOTION. AND, MOTION FROM MR. PATTERSON. SECOND FROM MR. DANIELS. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY I. ALL OPPOSED. OKAY. SO IT IS ONE, TWO, THREE OPPOSED. FOUR TWO CANCEL.

DID YOU VOTE?

YES, I DID.

AND AGAIN FOR THE RECORD. WHO IS OPPOSED? DAVIS, CUSACK, AND WAGNER. THANK YOU.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS FOR IT. SO THE MOTION FAILS. OR THE MOTION PASSES BUT THE ITEM FAILED. SO MOVING ON. SIMPLE, FOR A COMPLICATED THING. MOVING ON. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONTRACT FOR MASS TELEPHONE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM. EXPENDITURE $30,000. GEORGE, ARE YOU PRESENT, SIR?

THERE YOU ARE, GEORGE.

I AM REALLY GETTING TOO BRIGHT UP THERE.

WE CAN CHECK INTO THAT.

I HAVE ONE THAT IS IS JUST LIKE GLARING IN MY EYE.

THAT IS THAT ONE UP THERE. I WILL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. MR. CHAIR, THE ONLY REASON I WOULD HAVE PUT THIS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE REASON THIS IS HERE, IS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE ONCE AGAIN, WE DO OUR LITTLE COMMERCIAL HERE OF EXPLAINING THAT TO GET THIS NOTIFICATION, THAT IS WHY I WANTED THEM TO BE HERE TODAY, YOU HAVE TO AGREE AND, AND SUBMIT TO HAVE THIS NOTIFICATION SENT TO YOU. WE ARE TRYING TO CLEAR UP TO PEOPLE THAT IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. SO I WOULD HAVE HAD IT ON CONSENT.

AND, BASELY, IT SERVE ADD COUPLE OF FUNCTIONS FOR US, AS THE TERM COULD INDICATE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL IN MASS AND THE TIME OF EMERGENCY OR A WATER BOIL NOTICE, AN EVACUATION IN A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MAIN A TRAIN IS TURNED OVER. BUT IT IS ALSO USED, OR PUT TOGETHER BY GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS LIKE COUNCIL ON AGING, THE SHERIFF USES IT EXTENSIVELY AS HE CALLS OUT TEAMS. EVACUSES IT TO CALL OUT FOR OVERTIME SITUATIONS WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT SHOW UP. HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAAS A CALL LIST ON IT AND OTHER SPECIAL NEEDS GROUPS. SO, IT HAS BEEN USED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, JUST 13 TIMES FOR THE MASS CALLOUT. BUT IT IS USED DAILY FOR THE OTHER TYPE LIST CALLOUTS. SO, AS MR. DENNIEEN INDICATED, WE DO NOT LIKE TO USE THE TERM 911 OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT IS NOT THAT. IF IT PULLS FROM A DATA BASE THAT ACTUALLY, IT USES PUBLISHED NUMBERS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT IN THE PHONE BOOKS. SO IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER AND YOU ARE IN SOME SORT OF A PHONE BOOK, IT WILL BE PICKED UP. HOWEVER, WE KNOW MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO NOT HAVE A PHONE ANYMORE AT THEIR HOUSE AND THEY ARE ON CELL PHONES AND THERE IN LIES THE PART THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT TO THE FOLKS THAT THEY NEED TO, IF THEY WANT TO BE PART OF THIS SYSTEM, THEY WANT TO BE NOTIFIED, THERE IS ACTION THEY HAVE TO TAKE. AND WE ARE NOT JUST GOING TO GET THAT HAPPEN LIGHTLY. WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER APR CAMPAIGN, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE NEW ON TOWNTY WITH THE NEW CONTRACT TO GO OUT AND PUSH THIS WITH THE CITIES AND WE WILL SEE IF THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IT ON THEIR WATER BILLS AND OTHER WAYS TO REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC. WE DO HAVE, I HAVE UP THERE A COUPLE OF SCREEN SHOTS. PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, TODAY, CAN GO TO OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WEBSITE AND IT IS JUST A THREE STEP PROCESS. WE JUSTED A THE THREE STEPS ALE QUICKLY THERE AND YOU GO UP TO THE FRONT AND CLICK ON THAT AREA, IT WILL COME UP AND IT BRINGS YOU UP ANOTHER SCREEN. IT IS VERY EASY TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE CALL IN SYSTEM AND THE NEXT SCREEN IS WHERE YOU FILL IN THE INFORMATION AND IT GOES INTO THE DATA BASE. AND YOU KNOW, WE OWN THE DATA BASE. MAYBE IN THE PAST, IT MAY HAVE BEEN SOME PROBLEMS. BUT IT IS CLEAR IN THE CONTRACTS NOW, THE NEW ONES, THAT THAT INFORMATION IS KEPT BY US. AND THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT, WAS THE LOW BIDDER. AND A COMMITTEE MET ON IT AND THEY AGREED THIS WAS THE COMPANY TO BRING FORWARD AND IT WAS FOR A THREE YEAR CONTRACT AND TWO-TWO YEAR RENEWALS.

OKAY, THANK YOU, MS. NORTHEY.

MAYBE I MISSED IT BUT I DO NOT SEE IT IN THE AGENDA ITEM WHERE, I DON'T SEE THE RFP VOTING SHEET. CAN YOU TELL ME?

YES, I CAN TELL YOU.

OH, WAIT A MINUTE. IT IS RIGHT HERE IN THE SUMMARY HIGHLIGHTS BUT THE SHEET IS APPARENTLY NOT ATTACHED THAT SUPPORTS WHAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION WAS. IS THAT CORRECT?

THAT IS CORRECT. WITHIN THIS PACK AN, THERE WERE TWO BIDDERS, TWO PEOPLE RECEIVED PROPOSALS FROM. THIS ONE AND ANOTHER COMPANY, THERE WAS NOT A LOCAL PERSON THAT PUT IT ON.

HOW DID WE EVALUATE EACH OF THE SYSTEMS? WHAT, WHAT MADE THIS ONE STANDOUT?

WELL, THEY ALL HAD A SIMILAR CASE.

BESIDES BEING LOW BIDDER.

WELL, IT WAS A BIG FUNCTION IN THE CASE BECAUSE THE OTHER PROPOSAL, I THINK IT WAS $96,000 A YEAR AND THIS IS $30,000.

WHAT ABOUT QUALITY?

WELL, LOOK AT THEIR HISTORY AND WHERE THEY ARE AT IN OTHER LOCATIONS. AND [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] MORE DIRECT INFORMATION ON THAT.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, LARRY WITH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH THE, THE PROPOSALS OF COURSE, THEY CHECKED WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT USE THE SAME COMPANY. AND THEY WERE ALL FAVORABLE.

SO THE REFERENCES.

SO, THEY WERE ALL GOOD.

OKAY, I JUST KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTIONS WITH SOME OF THE SYSTEMS.

THEY ARE ALL VERY SIMILAR. SOME JUST HAVE MORE WHISTLES AND BELLS THAN OTHERS.

OKAY, AND THIS ONE IS GOING DO EXACTLY WHAT? ANY WHISTLES AND BELLS?

RIGHT, IT WILL DO A GEOGRAPHIC NOTIFICATION OR CREATE A CALL LIST. THEY ALL DO THE SAME THING.

WELL, THEN WHY IS ONE $96,000 AND ONE $30,000 DO YOU THINK?

I THINK THE ONE THAT WAS $96,000 WAS BASING THEIR COST ON THE POPULATION, 500,000.

AND THIS IS NOT JUST UN-INCORPORATED THEN.

COUNTY WIDE.

OKAY, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE WILL NEED A MOTION.

MOVE APPROVAL.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MS. DENYS A SECOND FROM MR. WAGNER. MR. PATTERSON IS NOT PRESENT FOR THIS VOTE. WE CAN STILL CONTINUE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALL RIGHT, ANY, OH, THERE YOU ARE: I SEE THE DOOR. ALL RIGHT, NO FATHER DISCUSSION. ALL IF--NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR, I. ALL OPPOSED.

AND THAT IS A 6-0.

MR. PATTERSON NOT IN HERE.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS RESOLUTION OF PLATTED ALLIES IN WEST HIGH BANKS MAP BOOK SIX, PAGE 214 ORANGE CITY AREA. PETITIONERS ARE BILLION HENDRIX, ADELA TO LED A AND NEFTALI. OKAY, MR. BRITAIN, ARE YOU PRESENT? ARE YOU SPEAKING? AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MR. JERRY.

THANK YOU, PARTICULAR CHAIR AND MEMBERS--MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. THE PETITIONSERS, THERE ARE--PETITIONERS, THERE ARE THREE HERE,S ONE THAT IS DRIVING THE REQUEST FOR THE VACATION AND THEN TWO PROPERTY OWNERS. MR. HENDRIX LIVES IN THE WEST HIGHLANDS, WE HE--HE WOULD LIKE TOED A A ROOM TO HIS HOME ON WEST SIDE AND THEN EXPAND A PORCH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HIS HOME AND THIS WOULD ENCROACH INTO TWO PAPER ALLY WAYS, JUST PLATTED OF 15 AND 25-FOOT. WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT CAREFULLY, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC PURPOSE TO KEEP THE ALLY WAYS, BECAUSE WE HAVE USED SOME ALLY WAYS IN THAT AREA FOR DRAINAGE FOR STORM WATER WHERE THERE IS A DRAINAGE ISSUES. IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT THERE IS A DRAINAGE ISSUE IN THE AREA AND THERE IS NO PUBLIC PURPOSE TO RETAIN THOSE AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE VACATION OF, OF THE TWO ALLY WAYS AS PRESENTED HERE.

VERY WELL. MR. PATTERSON.

DO WE HAVE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THE ISSUE?

YES. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC YET.

I HAVE NO SLIPS.

OKAY, I THOUGHT YOU HAD A DIRECT QUESTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU FOR THE LIGHTS. ALL RIGHT, NO FURTHER STAFF DISCUSSION. WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF SECTION. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS ZERO. NO PUBLIC. MS. MARCY?

NO, SIR.

FOR THE RECORD NEW YORK CITY PUBLIC AND NOW WE--NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. AND MR. MATTER SON.

I MOVE APPROVAL, MR. CHAIR.

A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. I HAVE A MOTION, I WILL READ THE RESOLUTION. MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION FOR ABANDONMENT OF VACATION OF PLATTED ALLY WAYS IN WEST HIGHLANDS MAP BOOK PAGE 214 AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? MS. NORTHEY. NO DISCUSSION. ALL IN, SAY I. OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. WE WILL NOW BE IN RECESS FOR FOUR MINUTES BECAUSE OUR NEXT ITEM COMES UP AT EXACTLY 11:45 A.M. AND WE ARE NOT START OFF WITH THAT. WE L TAKE A--WE WILL TAKE A FOUR MINUTE BREAK.

CHAMBERS WOULD PLEASE COME TO ORDER. IT WAS JUST EASIER TO TAKE FOUR MINUTES. TAKE A BREAK AND THEN COME RIGHT BACK TO IT. AND EVERYBODY NEEDED A BREAK FOR A MINUTE. YES, I CAN STILL READ IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JEFF.

THIS IS MUCH BETTER.

OH, YES. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER NINE, TIME SPECIFIC. RESOLUTION FOR THE VACATION OF PLATTED ALLY WAYS IN WEST HIGHLANDS MAP BOOK SIX. AND THIS TIME THE PETITIONER IS SUSAN POST.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE JUST DEALT WITH. IT IS REQUEST TO VACATE TO ALLY WAYS, A 25-FOOT ALLY WAY AND A 15-FOOT ALLY WAY. THIS ONE IS A SITUATION WHERE MS. POST WHO RECOLLECTS PURCHASED PROPERTY IN--WHO PURCHASED PROPERTY IN 2012, SHE OWNS THREE PARCELS. ONE WITH A HOUSE ON IT. ONE HAS A SWIMMING POOL AND ENCLOSURE AND THE OTHER ONE IS VACANT. THE LAST OWNER STARTED THE PROCESS OF COMBINING THE LOTS BUT DID NOT COMPLETE IT. SHE WOULD LIKE TO COMBINE THE LOTS AND IN DOING SO, SHE NEEDS TO VACATE THESE ALLY WAYS AND YOU CANNOT COMBINE LOTS WHEN YOU HAVE ALLY WAYS SEPARATING THE PARCELS. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT AS TO WHETHER WE NEED IT FOR ANY PUBLIC PURPOSE NOW OR IN THE FUTURE, NO DRAINAGE PURPOSES OR ANYTHING ELSE. AND SO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO THE COUNCIL.

I DO HAVE ONE, THEY ARE NOT CONCRETE.

NO, THEY ARE PAPER ALLY WAYS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN BUILT.

OKAY. VERY WELL. ANY FURTHER STAFF DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORT. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC THAT WISHING TO COMMENT?

NO, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND--THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW MR. PATTERSON. YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON PLEASE, SIR.

IT IS AMAZING WENDY NOT WANT IT ON, IT IS--WHEN I DON'T WANT IT ON, IT IS ON. AND WHEN I DO IT IS NOT. MOVE FOR THE VACATION PLAT ALLY WAYS ON PAGE 214 IN THE AREA.

I HAVE A MOTION AS READ FROM MR. PATTERSON AND A SECOND FROM MS. NORTHEY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. NO DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR, I. O POSED. SO CARRIED. IT HAS BEEN ABANDONED. OKAY. NOW WE HAVE ONE ITEM THAT WAS ONE PULLED ON CONSENT BY CITIZENS. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 21. MR. BRITON, YOU ARE BACK ON THE LOCK HERE. THIS IS THE A--ON THE BLOCK HERE. THIS IS THE AWARD TO CONTRACT TODAY TOE THAT BEACH FOR THE--TO DAYTONA BEACH FOR THE EAST AREA. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

WOULD YOU LIKE ANY INFORMATION, I WAS GOING TO RESPOND TO WHATEVER THE PUBLIC'S COMMENT WAS.

DEFER UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT?

YES.

MR. CHAIR? THE ISSUE HERE IS THE APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT, I MEAN, THE PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IF I UNDERSTAND. SO IS THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TO THE CONTRACT? THAT IS GOING TO BE AWARD. BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS THE ISSUE HERE.

THE PUBLIC HAS COME AND PULLED THIS AND WISHED TO DOES CUSS ISSUES ON--TO DISCUSS ISSUES ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

IT IS THE AWARD OF COURSE THE DC-AWARDING OF THE CONTRACT.

YES, I DO NOT WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS AND GO THROUGH THE WHO PROJECT OVER AGAIN.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO OVER THE WHOLE PROJECT. THEY ARE SAYING NO. ALL RIGHT, LET'S START OFF WITH CATHERINE.

CATHERINE, 695 [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]

DO WE HAVE HER MICROPHONE ON. I CAN HARDLY HEAR HER. PULL ONE TO YOU, AT LEAST. SPEAK UP.

SHE IS SOFT SPOKEN.

IS THAT BETTER?

THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU HAVE GIVEN YOU NAME AN ADDRESS, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

OKAY, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE BID, I NEED THE [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]

ALL RIGHT. HOLD TIME.OKAY. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS AFTER LOOKING THROUGH THE BID DOCUMENTATION, IS TARHEELS THE BID DOES NOT INCLUDE IDENTIFICATION OF LOCATIONS, WHAT PERMITS WILL NEED TO BE PULLED. THE COST OF THE PERMITS. ESTIMATED COSTS TO TAKE PROTECTIVE MEASURES AND THE PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC AND THE IMPACTS OF THE WATER SUPPLY TO THE HOMEOWNERS. NOW BASED ON THE PD AND, REPORT, PAGES 45 THROUGH 47, PAUSE O PHASE--PHASE ONE, ANY RAILROAD IS USUALLY AN ENVIRON. CONDITION DUE TO THE USE OF ARSENIC BASED HERBICIDES. AND THEN IN PHASE TWO, EARLY 2007, THEY COLLECTED DIFFERENT SAMPLES, I AM NOT GOING GO THROUGH OWL ALL OF THAT--ALL OF THAT. ARSENIC WAS FOUND AND THIS IS ALSO ON THE REPORT. THE FDP CLEAN UP LEVEL IS 5.50 AND THE RESULTS, THE PERCENTAGE OF SOIL SAMPLES TAKEN WAS ABOVE THE ABOVE STATED, SOIL CLEAN UP TARGET LEVELS. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT TRACKS AND UP TO 75% EXCEEDED THAT LEVEL. --EXCEEDS THAT LEVEL. NOW WHEN YOU GO TO OUR EAST CENTRAL REGIONAL RAIL TRAIL ON PAGE 16, THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT CONDITION IS ANY ARSENIC CONTAMINATION. NOW ALL ARSENIC RELATED ISSUES BE RESOLVED BEFORE OPENING THE TRAIL. NOW THAT IS IN THE MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND THE QUESTION IS SHOULDN'T THE ISSUES BE RESOLVED BEFORE THE ARSENIC IS FOUND IN THE GROUND TO ELIMINATE THE HEALTH RISKS. AND WE WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST. BUT THESE ARE SOME AFFECTS OR ARSENIC. AND DOWN BELOW, IS THE, THE ADDRESS DOWN BELOW LISTS WHERE I GOT THAT. AND THERE IS SOME MORE OTHER WEBSITES THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT ABOUT THE AFFECTS OF ARSENIC. AND IF YOU GO TO THE, THE SLIDE RIGHT HERE, IT HAS OTHER LINKS FOR THE READING ABOUT THE PROJECTS WITH ARSENIC CONTAMINATION AND ALSO THE PRICES THAT HAVE HAD AN INCREASE FROM THE ORIGINAL COST WHEN THEY TRY TO SET THE BIDS UP. AND THAT IS MY FIRST CONCERN. AND I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MY HUSBAND WHEN MY TIME IS UP. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

ALL RIGHT. I AM JUST GOING RIGHT HERE.

I AM BYROP, 695 MAY TOWN ROAD, O STEIN. OKAY, THE ONE CONCERN, SECOND CONCERN THAT THE BID DOES NOT INCLUDE IS DOCUMENTATION AND STUDIES TO BE DONE FOR THE SPECIES, PERMITS REQUIRED TO REALLOT THE SPECIES. DOCUMENTATION OF COSTS OF THE PERMITS AND RELOCATION. NEXT PAGE, PLEASE. IF YOU LIKE AT THE VERY BOTTOM AND THIS IS ON THE BID, IT ASKS WILL THE CONTRACTOR BE RESPONSIBLE FOR RELOCATION OF THE TURTLES. THE ANSWER IS NO. I WALKED THE FIRST 500 FEET, I DIDN'T GO TO WHERE THE BRIDGE IS BECAUSE IT IS NO TRESPASSING. THE FIRST 32 YEARS OF MY LIFE, I LIVED UNANNEALED RAILROAD. I--LIVED ON AN OLD RAILROAD. I DO NOT LIVE THERE ANYMORE. BUT I KNOW ABOUT THE SCRUB AND THE HOLES. I TOOK PICTURES HERE OF SEVEN WITHIN THE FIRST 500 FEET. IT IS NOT ONLY THE GOPHER THAT LIVES IN THOSE. THERE ARE OTHER CREATURES THAT LIVE IN THEM AND I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. WHEN I WAS 8-YEARS-OLD. I WAS BUSTED FOR PUTTING GAS IN THEM AND CATCHING EVERYTHING THAT COME OUT OF THEM. I GOT A BUTT WHIPPING FROM MY DAD AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED AGAIN. THERE IS 300 DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPECIES THAT, THAT LIVE IN THESE, THIS THESE BURROS. ONE OF THE THINGS IS THE INDIGO SNAKE. THEY ARE HIGHLY THREATENED. WHEN I GET DONE WALKING THIS TWO AND A HALF MILES, I AM GOING THE FIND MORE, I HAVE ONE THAT APPEARED RIGHT THERE IN THE MURPHY ACT AREA AT MY HOUSE, MY NEIGHBOR HAS ONE. YOU JUST DO NOT GO HEY, DIG A HOLE. THAT IS WHERE THEY COME TO BIG A HOLE. YOU HAVE--TO DIG A HOLE. YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS LIKE THE TYPES OF CREE--LIKE THE OTHER TYPES OF CREATURES THAT ARE IN DANGER AND OUT THERE. THAT IS THE SCRUB J, I HAVE SEEN THEM. I ROAD MY HORSE UP AND DOWN MAY TOWN ROAD, 16 HANDS, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HORSES OR DON'T, THAT ABOVE AVERAGE. YOU CAN--THAT IS ABOVE AVERAGE. SNAKES ARE NIGHT NOW LAYING EGGED--ARE RIGHT NOW LAYING EGGS. AND ALSO, IF YOU FLIP BACK TO THE OTHER PAGE, THERE ARE SIGNS BORDERING THIS TRAIL FROM VOLUSIA COUNTY SAYING IT IS PROTECTED. AND NOW THERE IS GOING TO BE PAVEMENT PUT ON IT. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. THEY ARE USING THE ANIMALS, THEY ARE USING THIS TRAIL BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE DEER TRACKS. I WOULD NOT RELY ON YOUR ENGINEER DEPARTMENT BECAUSE FROM THE FIRST, THE FIRST THING THAT WE WENT THROUGH ON THE OTHER AGENDA ABOUT THE FLOODING OUT THERE, IT WAS UN-RELIABLE SOURCE AND THE DNA STUDY IS FACTS ON THAT. SO, I WOULD NOT TAKE ANYBODY'S WORD FOR IT. YOU HAVE ENOUGH DOCUMENTATION HERE IN THE BUILDING TO CHECK ON IT FOR YOURSELF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

MADE IT JUST ON THREE MINUTES. AND SHERRILL.

I AM SHERRILL 445 SOUTH STATE ROAD 415. I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE HOMEOWNERS FOR THE MAY TOWN ROAD STRIP OF THE ROAD. COULD YOU PLEASE PUT UP THE-- OKAY.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT I THINK THAT THE STAFF SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING BUT WE HAVE BROUGHT IT TO YOU. I THINK THE BIDS HAVE BEEN RUSH ED THROUGH AND PROPER RESEARCH HAS NOT BEEN DONE. WE WENT TO ALL OF YOUR DEPARTMENT IN THE BUILDING AND---DEPARTMENTS IN YOUR BUILDING AND THEN SOME. SOME TESTS HAVE TO BE DONE EVERY THREE MONTHS AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DONE. I DO NOT THINK YOU HAVE THIS IN YOUR BOOK RIGHT NOW. BUT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, IT WAS ON THE POWERPOINT, IT SHOWS HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS IN 2012, THEY DID THE SAME THING THAT YOU GUYS DID, THE TRAIL AND IT IS NOW GOING TO COST THEM ANOTHER $1.1 MILLION TO FIX THE ARSENIC POISONING. IT WAS USED ON THE RIEL BEDS. THEY--ON THE RAIL BEDS. THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO COST ABOUT $2 MILLION AND PAID WITH FEDERAL MONEY AND THEY HAD A DIFFERENCE OF $1.2 MILLION TO PAY TO THE HARASS SICK POISONING--TO THE ARSENIC POISONING AND THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON IT. AND WE HAVE A REAL LIFE CASE SCENARIO. NOW ALSO ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER HERE, I AM JUST GOING TO MAKE NOTICES OF IT. IT COMES FROM THE--NOTATIONS OF IT. THIS IS FROM 2009 TO 2019. THE DEVELOPMENT TIME LINE ON PAGE 20 CALLS FOR THE PLAN TO REMOVE ARSENIC BEFORE THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. HOMEOWNERS WERE TOLD ABOUT ARSENIC POISONING ON THE GROUND AND WE HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS BECAUSE NOBODY HAS INFORMED US OR BROUGHT IT UP. ALSO, WHERE IS THE COST OF THIS IN THE CONSTRUCTION BID THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT AND DECIDING ON TODAY. ALSO, I WENT THROUGH 2013 AND 2014CAC MINUTES. AND MOST OF YOU ARE ON THE BOARD AND I DID NOT SEE THE COST OF THIS OR DI CUSHIONS OF--OR DISCUSSIONS OF THIS REGARDING THE ARSENIC. SO HOW CAN YOU PUT A BID TOGETHER WITHOUT THE PROPER PRIZING? OKAY, PAGE 21 OF THIS SAME DOCUMENT SAYS THAT THE BRIDGE COST IS $5 MILLION, BUT $2.16 MILLION WAS PAID. WHERE IS THE $3 MILLION FROM FEDERAL FUNDS? I KNOW IT GOES INTO THE TPO BOARD AND THEN IT IS WASHED OUT AS COUNTY MONEY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN AUDIT ON THIS BECAUSE, ALSO, THERE IS NO DISCUSSIONS OF THIS. SO, IF THIS IS ANY EXAMPLE OF THE BRIDGE GETTING MORE MONEY, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY IT IS GOING COST AFTER THIS CONSTRUCTION BID?

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS VERY INTERESTING. DO WE HAVE, MR. BRITON, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR. JERRY BRITON, EXCUSE ME, COUNTY ENGINEER. IF I AM CORRECT, I HEARD THREE ITEMS. ONE WAS DEALING WITH THE ARSENIC, THE SECOND WAS ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE OR ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING AND THE THIRD WAS COST ON ANOTHER PROJECT AS WAS JUST STATED. THE FIRST ONE, ARSENIC. YES, THERE IS ARSENIC OUT THERE AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT SOME YEARS AGO IDENTIFIED. RAILROADS SPRAYED ARSENIC FOR WEED CONTROL. IT IS AT LEVELS THAT, THERE ARE SOME EXCEEDING. THE AN IMAGINE. PLAN IS A GENERAL MANAGEMENT PLAN. YOU ENTERED INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. THE LEASE AGREEMENT SPECIALLY SPEAKS TO ARSENIC AND IT SAYS IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE ANY OF THOSE RIGHTS OF WAY, THAT THEY OWN AND WE LEASE, YOU MUST INCAPSULATE THAT RAILROAD BED IN, IN OUR CASE, ASPHALT. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. AND THAT IS FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS. THE SAME WAS THREW FOR THE SEGMENT THAT WE BUILT THREE YEARS NOW OVER TO 415. THAT WAS A RAILROAD BED AND WE WERE REQUIRED TO INCAPSULATE THAT. INDUSIA THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING--AND THAT IS A WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THIS CASE. THE SECOND ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE PERMITTING. THEY REFERENCED 2012 OR SOMETHING ENVIRONMENTAL. WHEN WE, BEFORE WE ADVERTISED FOR THIS JOB, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, WE HIRED AN ENGINEERING FIRM, THEY WENT OUT, WALKED THIS ALIGNMENT, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE. SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT. THE THIRD ITEM REFERENCING, I THINK THE FUNDING ON THE BRIDGE OVER 415. THAT IS 100% FEDERAL FUNDS. THERE ARE NO ECHO FUNDS IN IT. AND IT, THE BID CAME IN AT THE, THE FEDERAL FUNDING LEVEL. SO, THAT WOULD BE MY RESPONSE TO THOSE TWO ITEMS THEY HAVE BROUGHT UP. BUT I WILL TELL THE COUNCIL THAT WE ARE IN FULL COMPLIANCE. WE HAVE ALL PERMITS THAT ARE NECESSARY. AND, THERE IS NOTHING THAT WOULD PRECLUDE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, ENVIRONMENTAL, OR OTHER WISE FROM AWARDING THIS CONTRACT AND GOING ON WITH THE CONSTRUCTION.

ALL RIGHT, I AM JUST A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARSENIC, IT KIND OF SETS THE ANTENNA UP A LITTLE BIT. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD THE AREA TEST THAT HAD WE ARE GOING TO CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO SPREAD THE STUFF INTO THE AIR?

WELL, ARSENIC, AND I AM NOT AN EXPERT BUT I HAVE READ A LOT ABOUT IT.

I AM SURE.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS WASHED INTO THE SOIL AND IT ATTACHES TO THE SOIL, THE SAND. AND, SO IT IS, IT IS STAYING IN THERE, IT WILL WASH DEEPER BUT, I THINK THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY QUANTIFY IT BUT THEY SAID SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO EAT BARBELS AND BUSHELS OF IT TO GET--BUSHELS AND BUSHELS OF IT TO GET A DANGEROUS LEVEL. SO THE WAY THEY ADDRESS IT ASK WE BUILD THE TRAIL ON TOP OF IT AND NO ONE IS ABLE TO THEN, IT IS NOT AIRBORNE. IT IS NOT FRIABLE. IT IS IN THE SOIL. AND SO WE ARE BUILDING ON TOP OF IT.

AND SO I GUESS, WITH THE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CONSERVATION HERE IS THAT THE CITIZENS ARE JUST CONCERNED THAT, ALL RIGHT, WE ARE SPENDING $1.07 MILLION, JUST A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION TO BUILD THIS TRAIL. ARE THE, ARE THOSE COSTS, LIKE IF WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND MOVE 20 TURTLES, ARE THE COSTS OF EVERYTHING BUILT INTO THAT?

THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL COST.

OKAY, SO THAT IS IS THE BOTTOM LINE. NOT A PENNY MORE. NO COST OVER THAT.

THAT IS CORRECT. WELL, YOU CAN NEVER PREDICT WHAT, I MEAN, IF THE CONTRACTOR FINDS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT IN THE SCOPE THEN WE WOULD CONSIDER IT AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AS A CHANGE ORDER AS WE DO WITH ALL OF THEM.

OKAY. YES, MS. NORTHEY.

WOULD YOU JUST E. COLI LAB LATE A LITTLE--ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THE COST OF THE BRIDGES. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DID NOT GIVE US $5 MILLION, CORRECT?

NO, ALL OF THE FEDERAL FUNDS, AND, IF--AND F DOT, WE SECOND COUNTY MONEY AND THEN WE GET THE MONADIC--WE SEND IN INVOICES AND THEN WE GET THE MONEY BACK. THE BRIDGE OVER 414 AND 442 THAT IS A LITTLE OVER 50% COMPLETE NOW, THEY ARE 100% FEDERALLY FUNDED.

AND THEY CAME IN AT WAY UNDER. I KNOW YOU AND I MET WITH SOME PEOPLE ABOUT THE COST OF BRIDGES.

WELL, THEY CAME IN WITHIN THE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT HAD BEEN PROGRAMMED. AND THEN, THERE IS ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR ENGINEERING INSPECTION. WE HIRED CDM SMITH TO DO INSPECTION OF THOSE TWO SEGMENTS AS WELL AS, I MEAN, THOSE TWO BRIDGES. AND, AFTER THE FACT, IT WAS MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD BEEN AIR MARKED AND THEY HAVE COME IN WITH THE FEDERAL FUNDS TO COVER THE INSPECTION. SO IT IS 100% FOR BOTH BRIDGES.

ALL RIGHT, LET ME JUST TAKE THIS MOMENT TO THANK MR. BRITON AND HIS GROUP FOR THE MISSING LINK THAT WE CUT THE RIBBON ON YESTERDAY. WE PROBABLY HAD 150 PEOPLE OUT THERE AND THEY WERE LINKING A COUPLE OF SEGMENTS OF THE TRAIL AND IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT IS VERY WELL UTILIZED AND AS WE WERE THERE, PEOPLE WERE RIDING UP AND DOWN IT ALL MORNING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND WHERE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE ARE, SEEMS TO BE NO ISSUES HERE THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE THIS. SO I WILL MOVE APPROVAL.

ALL RIGHT. A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND.

MS. DENYS GOT THE SECOND FIRST SO SHE IS THE FIRST SECOND. A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE I GO TO YOU, MS. CUSACK, I JUST NEED A CLARIFICATION. I NOW IT IS ALL FEDERALLY FUNDED BRIDGES BUT WHAT WAS THE COST OF THE BRIDGES?

THE BRIDGES--

TO INCLUDE THE INSPECTIONS OF WHAT IS GOING TO DO.

2.1, I THINK.

ONE WAS, YES, THEY WERE BOTH ROUGHLY $2.1 MILLION. THE 442 WAS SLIGHTLY MORE BECAUSE IT HAS A WIDER GRASS MEDIAN. I THINK IT IS $2.3 MILLION.

THAT IS REIMBURSABLE COST.

EACH. EACH.

OH, OKAY. SO IT IS--

BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS ALSO A LOT OF APPROACH.

SO $4.9 MILLION THEN.

RIGHT.

OKAY, SO FOR BOTH BRIDGES BUT AS WE GO ALONG, I AM JOIST TRY--I AM JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY, WE SEND IT TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND WE KEEP FUNDING IT AND ROLLING IT OVER.

YES, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. MANY CUSACK.

YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. BRITON, I WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE. DID THAT INCLUDE, IT IS NOT IN OUR READING, THE CHECKING OF THE WATER WELLS FOR, OR NEAR THOSE RAILS?

IF THE ARSENIC IS IN THE SOIL HOW CLOSE IT IS TO WELLS ALONG THIS TRAIL?

THERE WERE NO WELLS.

NONE?

IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT STUDIES THAT WERE DONE, NO WELLS WERE IN ANY DISTANCE THAT WAS OF ANY CONCERN.

OKAY. THAT WAS MY CONCERN ABOUT IT, THE WATER CONTAMINATION. AND SECONDLY, THE GOPHERS, THAT HAVE BEEN CLEAR AND YOU ARE YOU ARE MOVING--CLEARED AND YOU ARE MOVING THEM?

QUITE FRANKLY, I CAN NOT RECALL WHETHER THEY WERE ANY OUT THERE BUT IT WAS AN ITEM THAT, THAT THE CONSULTANT REVIEWED AND WALKED THE ALIGNMENT AND WE HAVE RECEIVED THE PERMITS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

OKAY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. WELL, U.S. EDUCATION JUST GOING THERE. --I WAS JUST GOING THERE. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL. ALL IN FAVOR, I. OPPOSED. AND I WILL OPPOSE THAT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION STUFF AND I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

WELL, LET'S TELL IT.

NO, I GOT THE INFORMATION FROM HIM. I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON MY OWN. IT IS A LITTLE GRAY FOR MY BRAIN, STILL. I WANT TO DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH MYSELF. THAT IS JUST IT.

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THAT IS ALL OF OUR MORNING. SO, WE WILL, LET'S SEE, YES, WE ARE GOING TO GO TO RECESS FOR LUNCH. I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TIME FRAME WE HAVE TO BE BACK, WHICH IS, WHERE IS MY AGENDA? THERE IT IS. 2:00 P.M. OKAY. 2:00 P.M. YES. WE HAVE A 2:00 P.M. SO WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:00 P.M.

GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WELCOME BACK. WE HAVE MS. DENYS, MS. CUSACK, MR. DANIELS, MS. NORTHY. SHE WAS JUST THERE. I HAVE TO WAIT FOR ONE MORE AT LEAST. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SCENARIO WE CREATED. THIS MORNING WE VOTED TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 30 BUT I HAVE BEEN INFORMED WE CAN'T DO THAT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE 2:00 TIME. DOES THE MOTION STAND AND THE SECOND? THAT WOULD BE MR. PATTERSON, YOU MADE THE NOTION AND MS. DENYS THE SECOND?

YES.

WE STILL HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND STANDING. I WOULD REALLY LIKE THE OTHER TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE HERE. WE'LL GIVE THEM A MOMENT. GOOD TEA. WE'RE VOTING TO CONTINUE 30. WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 2:00. I FOUND OUT WHEN WE HAVE A TIME SPECIFIC WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THAT TIME. RIGHT AFTER THAT, MS. McGEE AND MR. PAN TON, WE WILL BE GOING TO 31. UNLESS THERE IS OBJECTION, WE'LL HOLD OFF ON THAT VOTE WHILE WE CAN. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD ACCORDING TO ROBERT'S RULES. SO VERY WELL WE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TO VOTE. OH THERE THEY ARE. THERE THEY ARE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. MS. NORTHY WE HAVE TO REVOTE TO CONTINUE 30 BECAUSE WE VOTED TOO EARLY THIS MORNING. LEGAL HAS TOLD ME WE HAVE TO VOTE. SO THE MOTION HAS STANDED. THE SECOND HAS STANDED FOR CONTINUANCE UNTIL JULY 3, 2:00 P.M. FOR THE RECORD. VERY WELL, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYES.

AYES.

ALL OPPOSED? SO CARRIED.

CORRECT.

ITEM 31, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR SIR. STATE YOUR NAME AND POSITION.

SCOTT ASHLEY, SENIOR ZONING MANAGER FOR VOLUTIA COUNTY. SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR COMMUNICATION TOWER ON CONSERVATION ZONED PROPERTY. THE SITE IS WITHIN ABOUT A HALF MILE OF I-4 AND TWO AND A HALF MILES NORTH OF STATE ROAD 44 EAST OF DELAN. APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR PROPOSAL TO INSTALL 190-FOOT MONO POLE COMMUNICATION TOWER ON A 561-ACRE TRACK OF LAND THAT'S PART OF 12,000-ACRE LONG LEAF PINE PRESERVE PROPERTY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BUT IS MAINTAINED BY THE VOLUTIA COUNTY. IT IS AGAIN ADJACENT TO OTHER PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY, OTHER ST. JOHN'S PARCELS AND CITY OF PORT ORANGE AS PART OF THE PINE PRESERVE PROPERTY. THE TOWER WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWESTERN QUADRANT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT WOULD BE ON A 70 BY 70 LEASE AREA, 190-FOOT TALL AT THIS TIME. THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A TENANT. IT IS ATT. AS PRESENTED IN THE PACKAGE ON PAGES 3117 AND 3118 IN THE PACKAGES THEIR RF ENGINEER PROVIDED COVERAGE MAP SHOWING GAPS IN SERVICE ALONG I-4 CORRIDOR AND THE GOAL IS TO FILL THE GAP IN THE AREA BETWEEN DAYTONA BEACH AND DELAN ALONG I-4 CORRIDOR. STAFF REVIEWED THE VARIOUS STANDARDS FOR A TOWER IN THEIR CODE AS WELL AS SPECIAL EXCEPTION STANDARDS. WE DID RECOMMEND TO THE PIRC, RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT IN CONDITIONS WHICH ARE LISTED IN THE REPORT. THEY COMMISSION TO VOTE 5-20 TO YOU COUNTY COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE TOWER SITE. THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE CONCERNING THE STAFF REPORT.

THANK YOU MR. ASHLEY. ANY QUESTIONS? MS. NORTHY DO YOU WISH TO HAVE A QUESTION OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT?

SCOTT, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE PLDRC?

THEY DID VOTE 5-2, A COUPLE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE PROPERTY AND THE TOWER ON THE PROPERTY, THE LEASE AGREEMENT WHICH WILL BE COMING UP AFTER THIS ITEM TO DISCUSS. THERE IS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT THE BURNING, BURNS THAT TAKE PLACE ON THE PROPERTY AND CONCERN ABOUT A LIABILITY.

AND SO THIS IS NOT PUBLIC PROPERTY. THIS IS FARM TON PROPERTY?

THIS IS PUBLIC. THIS IS CASE 31.

OH I THINK MAYBE I AM ON THE WRONG ONE. ALL RIGHT. I MIGHT BE ON THE WRONG ONE. HOLD ON. I WAS ON THE WRONG ONE. OKAY. I WAS GETTING CONFUSED. OKAY. SO THIS IS ON OUR PROPERTY.

STATE PROPERTY MANAGED BY VOLUTIA COUNTY.

MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE LEASE? WHAT KIND OF A LEASE AGREEMENT IS THERE? WHAT KIND OF REVENUE WILL WE MAKE ON THIS?

I'D HAVE TO DEFER THAT TO PROBABLY LEGAL WHO HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE LEASE AGREEMENT.

WE WOULD APPROVE THIS BEFORE WE WOULD KNOW HOW MUCH WE ARE GETTING?

HOLD ON. LET ME SEE IF I CAN CLARIFY. THE NEXT ITEM YOU WILL SEE IS NOT A LEASE. IT'S AN EASEMENT FOR ACCESS TO THE SITE. IT'S ALREADY SIGNED A LEASE. THEY ARE THE PROPERTY OWNER.

I THOUGHT I HEARD HIM SAY WE MANAGE IT.

WE DO. MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FORWARDS THAT REVENUE TO US AS PART OF OUR MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY WOULD FORWARD THE REVENUE FROM THIS?

THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

HOW MUCH REVENUE IS IT THEN?

KELLY McGEE DIRECTOR OF GROWTH AND RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, $30,000 A YEAR WITH A 3% ANNUAL INCREASE PLUS 20% OF ANY REVENUES FOR ANY ADDITIONAL CARRIERS.

SO 30,000 IS THE ONE CARRIER.

YES.

HOW MANY CARRIERS?

THERE IS ONE CARRIER CURRENTLY, ATT. FOR EACH ADDITIONAL CARRIER, 20% OF THE REVENUES AND AN ANNUAL 3% INCREASE. IF I COULD ALSO MENTION THE OTHER MAPS THAT WERE SHOWN TO YOU WERE ON PAGES 31-42 AND 31-40 FOR THE RECORD.

THANK YOU.

MS. DENYS DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR ARE YOU JUST GETTING IN LINE?

JUST A QUESTION. THIS IS A CELL TOWER, CORRECT?

YES, MA'AM.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT AREA DESPERATELY NEEDS MORE COVERAGE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S ALMOST A BLACK OUT ZONE OUT THERE. IT DESPERATELY NEEDS MORE COVERAGE. THERE IS A DEMAND FOR THIS SERVICE.

THAT'S WHAT THEIR ENGINEERING STUDIES SHOW, THAT THERE IS A GAP IN COVERAGE.

THERE REALLY IS. THANK YOU.

WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING? I WAS LOOKING FOR PROPERTY TO BUY. I WENT DOWN THAT ROAD BECAUSE THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY. YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT PROBLEM. THAT ROAD IS NOT DESIGNED TO HOLD UP TO TRUCKS, SEMI TRUCKS. IT GETS MUDDY. THERE IS NO SHOULDER. WE ARE TALKING WILDLIFE. WE ARE TALKING PEOPLE RIDING HORSES AND BICYCLES, JOGGING, WALKING. IT IS LONG LEAF PINE PRESERVE THIS THING IS IN THE MIDDLE OF. MY QUESTION IS WHO IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD OR REPAIR THAT ROAD AND ALL THE AQUEDUCTS WHILE THESE 700,000-POUND TRUCKS DRIVE DOWN IT AND DESTROY THE ROAD?

THE LEASER OF THE PROPERTY OF THE CELL TOWER IS OBLIGATED TO MAINTAIN THE ACCESS FOR ALL OF OUR USES AS WELL AS THEIR USES, DAY TO DAY MAINTENANCE AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S IN THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IF YOU APPROVE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. THAT INFORMATION IS ACTUALLY IN AGENDA ITEM 22 AND IT IS THE LEASE OR.

22?

SORRY. 32. THE NEXT ITEM.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. ANYBODY ELSE?

I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. I FORGOT TO RAISE IT. I AM LOOKING AT THE AGENDA ITEM, SAYS TOWER WILL BE MONO POLE STRUCTURE WITH ANTENNAS THAT WILL PROTRUDE FROM THE POLE. THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE GALVANIZED STEEL FINISH TO HELP VISUAL APPEARANCE AND BLEND IN WITH THE SKY. THAT'S THE BEST THEY CAN DO? IT'S A RESOURCE CORRIDOR AREA. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THERE IS PROBABLY A NEED BUT I SENT A PICTURE EARLIER TODAY OF OPPORTUNITIES THEY CAN USE TO CAMOUFLAGE POLES ESPECIALLY IN THE THIS KIND OF AREA.

YES, MA'AM. I RECEIVED THE E-MAIL. I PRINTED SEVERAL OF THOSE. THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TREE TYPE CAMOUFLAGES. WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW IN THE COUNTY. TYPICALLY WE DO REQUIRE THE FINISH THAT IS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET. IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE US TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES I DID READ REVIEWS OF THOSE AND THEY GET MIXED REVIEWS. SOME PEOPLE LOVE THEM. OTHERS FEEL THEY STAND SO MUCH TALLER THAN THE REST OF THE CANOPY THAT THEY ARE MORE OBVIOUS THAN CELL TOWER IN THE HORIZON. SO YOU HAVE MIXED REVIEWS ON THOSE. I KNOW THEY DEFINITELY USE THESE ON THE WEST COAST TO CAMOUFLAGE OIL RIGS AND SO FORTH IN THE OCEAN. IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO GIVE US DIRECTION ON THAT WE WOULD BE SO ADVISED.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND DO SOME CONSIDERATION OF HOW WE CAN CAMOUFLAGE SOME OF THESE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A LOCATION THAT IS IN LANDS THAT ARE ALREADY UNDER PROTECTION AND ENVIRONMENTAL AND WON'T BE BUILT ON, INTRODUCING SOMETHING INTO IT.

I HAVE SEEN WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. THEY'RE UGLY AS THE DICKENS. THEY'RE JUST ABSOLUTELY NASTY. IT WOULDN'T EVEN BLEND IN WITH THE LANDSCAPE UNLESS THEY PAINTED IT GREEN. IT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD DEAD PINE TREE STANDING UP THERE WHEN I HAVE SEEN THEM OUT IN CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS MR. PATTERSON.

YOU DON'T CARE.

I DON'T CARE.

I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD TOSS THAT OUT. IT WAS JUST UGH.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

IF I COULD MENTION THAT THE OVERHEAD NOW IS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, 31-36 IS EXISTING SITE.

NO FURTHER STAFF COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? VERY WELL. WE'LL CLOSE STAFF REPORT. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. WE HAVE ONE, MR. JIM GRAPH.

WITH THE CARRIER?

IT SAYS JIM GRAPH FROM ACTUATOR DRIVE.

AT WATER DRIVE.

OH IS THAT ATWATER?

YEAH.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

I AM WITH THE APPLICANT AS WITH ATT. I AM THE ENGINEER.

OKAY. YOU FILLED OUT A PUBLIC REQUEST FORM. DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK?

I HAVE TOLD FILL THOSE OUT IF THEY POLL ME.

HE IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE REALLY ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION THEN.

THE APPLICANT WHICH IS CROWN CASTLE IS HERE IF YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS AND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN IS HERE IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

OKAY. SO YOU ARE HERE FOR Q&A UNLESS YOU WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.

I'M FINE.

OKAY. SO WE CAN KEEP YOUR FORM. I WILL NEED ONE FROM BOTH OF YOU GENTLEMEN HERE. WHO IS JIM?

I AM TERRI THOMAS, THE AGENT TORR ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY AND CROWN CASTLE, DEVELOPER OF THE TOWER. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU. I WILL NEED YOU TO FILL OUT ONE OF THESE WHEN WE ARE DONE. OKAY. CONFUSION OVER. WITH ALL THAT THEN THERE IS NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. CLOSE THE HEARING. WHO WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF ANYBODY OR MAKE A MOTION OR MOVE FORWARD?

MR. CHAIR, I MOVE APPROVAL.

SECOND.

MS. CUSACK MOVES APPROVAL. MS. DENYS SECONDS. FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR, AYES.

AYES.

ALL OPPOSED.

AYES.

MS. NORTHY IS OPPOSED. 6-1. WE GO TO ITEM 32, GRANT OF THE EASEMENT FOR INGREG, EGRESS AND UTILITIES ON OLD SAWMILL ROAD.

-- AS WE NOTED THIS IS ACCESS EASEMENT FOR YOUR PREVIOUS SPECIAL EXCEPTION. THE APPLICANT WOULD BE MAINTAINING THE ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? MR. PATTERSON, YOU ARE HOVERING. I UNDERSTAND. IN CASE SOMEBODY DOESN'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE EASEMENT GRANTED IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOCK ON IT BECAUSE IT IS A PRESERVE. WE'VE A GATE LOCK. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A KEY TO IT. MOTION?

MR. CHAIR.

MR. PATTERSON.

I MOVE APPROVAL TO GRANT EASEMENT TO CROWN CASTLE TOWERS FOR INAGREES, EGRESS AND UTILITIES ON OLD SAWMILL ROAD.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

SECOND.

SECOND FROM MS. DENYS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MS. NORTHY.

COULD WE PUT THE MAPS UP TO SHOW EXACTLY WHERE THIS IS PLEASE? WHERE IS OUR EASEMENT NOW? I AM ASSUMING THE RED IS --

THAT LINE TO THE LEFT OF IT. THAT'S OLD SAWMILL ROAD.

ALL RIGHT. LET ME START OVER. THE RED AREA IS THE SITE LOCATION.

YES, MA'AM.

HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT?

500 SOMETHING ACRE TRACT.

550 ACRES.

WHY IS IT A 500-ACRE TRACT? HELP ME OUT HERE. TO PUT UP A MONO POLE, WHAT'S THE DEAL.

THAT'S THE PARCEL SIZE.

OKAY. HOW MUCH OF THAT 500 ACRES IS THIS GOING TO TAKE UP AND WHERE ON THE 500 ACRES IS IT GOING TO BE? THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONSERVATION AREA.

THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE NOTCH OUT AREA. CAROL POINT AT THAT PLEASE APPROXIMATELY, RIGHT ABOUT THERE IS THE TOWER LOCATION ON A 70 BY 70 LEASE AREA.

NOW I AM LOOKING FOR THE EASEMENT. TELL ME WHERE THE EASEMENT IS TO GET THERE. IS IT AN ACTIVE EASEMENT NOW?

THERE IS AN ACTIVE ROADWAY THAT AN EASEMENT WILL BE GRANTED TO THE APPLICANT TO ACCESS TOWER SITE OVER OLD SAWMILL ROAD AND EXTENDING FROM THE END OF THE ROADWAY OVER TO THE ST. JOHN'S PROPERTY. PAGE 31-19 OF THE PACKAGE.

THAT IS AN OLD SAWMILL. ISN'T THAT THE ENTRANCE INTO THAT PROPERTY?

YES, MA'AM.

THAT'S OUR ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY. IT'S GATEED, THERE IS THAT LIKE BACK THERE CLOSE TO I-4 WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE UNDER PASS FOR THE BEARS AND WILDLIFE, CORRECT?

RANDALL WITH ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT. I AM THE LAND BAREN.

YOU ARE. BUT YOU HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TOO. IT DOES NOT LOOK TO ME LIKE THERE IS AN ACTIVE EASEMENT TO THE SITE. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE THAT.

THERE IS A ROAD THAT GOES TO THE SITE. IT'S A VERY ROUGH JEEP TRAIL AND AT ONE POINT IT GOES THROUGH WETLAND AREAS WHICH YOU WILL HAVE TO GET PERMITS FOR TO IMPROVE.

TO PUT A CELL TOWER UP IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ENVIRONMENTALLY --

JUST FOR THE ACCESS.

CELL TOWER IS NOT IN WETLAND AREAS.

I THINK MR. DAVIS GOT MY ATTENTION WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT TRUCKS GOING INTO IT.

CORRECT. THEY'LL HAVE DO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS EVEN ON OLD SAWMILL PROPER.

UNBELIEVABLE.

OKAY. YOU DON'T NEED TO SAY ANYMORE. I AM DONE. THIS IS CRAZY. WE'RE GOING TO DIG UP AN ENVIRONMENTAL SITE TO PUT UP A CELL TOWER IS WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME. THANK YOU. MR. DAVIS, I'M DONE.

THANK YOU MS. NORTHY. OTHER DISCUSSION, COMMENTS? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND. AM I CORRECT?

YES.

YOU WERE THE SECOND. WE'RE ALL HERE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 32 GRANT OF EASEMENT TO CROWN CASTLE TOWERS FOR INAGREES, EGRESS AND UTILITIES ON OLD SAWMILL ROAD LONG LEAF PINE PRESERVE. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYES.

AYES.

ALL OPPOSED.

AYES.

MS. NORTHY IS OPPOSED. MR. WAGNER IS NOT ON. IT'S A 5-1. VERY WELL. EASEMENT GRANTED. ALL RIGHTY, IS MR. GILL RAY AVAILABLE? ITEM NUMBER 33.

THAT'S A TIME CERTAIN MR. CHAIR.

OH THAT IS, 3:00.

HE IS NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TODAY SO WE PASSED OUT HIS INFORMATION.

VERY WELL. IT IS TIME CERTAIN 3:00. WE ARE ROLLING RIGHT ALONG AND I MISSED THE TIME. MR. DANIELS.

WE CAN DO THE ADVISORY BOARDS.

WE COULD. WE COULD DO THAT OR WE CAN DO COUNSEL DISCUSSION. LET'S DO THE ADVISORY BOARDS. IF I MAY IT SAYS ON ITEM 34, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE BUT I CAN'T, I HAVE TO PASS THE GAVEL. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS PARTICULAR NOMINATION. MR. PATTERSON WOULD YOU DO THE HONORS?

WE ARE ON ITEM 34 JOINT APPOINTMENT TO DAYTONA BEACH RACING AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES COMMISSION. MR. CHAIR, MR. DAVIS DO YOU HAVE A NOMINATION?

NOMINATION OF MR. CARL PERSIS. DOES NOT REQUIRE A SECOND.

I KNOW. ANY OBJECTION TO THE MOTION? WITHOUT OBJECTION, MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU. MR. PATTERSON.

THAT'S A 7-0 VOTE.

YES.

A 7-0 VOTE. ITEM 33.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

SORRY, 35. WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS A OF THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE EXPIRING AND THEY ARE INCUMBENTS. I WOULD MOVE INCUMBENT APPLICANT KENNETH

KUHAR, WILLIAM POUZAR AND JAMES WACHTEL.

OKAY. MOTION FOR REAPPOINTMENT OF KENNETH KUHAR, JAMES WACHTEL AND SANDRA WALTERS.

THERE IS A NEW PERSON?

WILLIAM POUZAR.

MR. KUHAR, MR. WACHTEL AND PRESIDENT OBAMA WALTERS ARE THE THREE THAT THEIRS ARE EXPRESSWAYS PEYERING. MR. POUZAR IS NEW APPLICANT.

MR. ECKERT BECAUSE THERE IS A MOTION TO REAPPOINT, DOES THAT REQUIRE A SECOND?

NO. IT'S A NOMINATION.

I THINK IN EFFECT IT'S A NOMINATION.

A NOMINATION OF THE THREE. OKAY. IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TO MAKE THREE NOMINATIONS AT ONE TIME? OR SHOULD IT BE DONE ONE AT A TIME?

IT SAYS ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN MAKE THE NOMINATION.

I KNOW. ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN MAKE A NOMINATION. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE WE WILL NOT HAVE DO THIS AGAIN AND SAY OKAY, WE HAVE DO THEM ONE AT A TIME.

APPROPRIATE WITHOUT OBJECTION, YES, SIR.

OKAY. IT IS APPROPRIATE WITHOUT OBJECTION. JUST CLARIFYING FROM LEGAL. THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR KENNETH KUHAR, JAMES WACHTEL AND SANDRA WALTERS TO REMAIN AS THREE APPOINTMENTS FOR VOLUTIA COUNTY GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMISSION. SIGNIFY BY AYES.

AYES.

OPPOSED?

SO CARRIED. 7-0. THAT'S IT. NOW WE JUST HAVE ONE ITEM THAT WE HAVE TO DO TODAY IN 30 MINUTES. MR. DANIELS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR CLOSING COMMENTS. MIGHT AS WELL DO OUR COMMENTS WHILE WE'RE WAITING.

THIS IS GOING TO ABSOLUTELY SHOCK EVERYBODY. MY CLOSING COMMENT IS THIS. I JUST HAVE ONE. THAT IS THAT WE VOTED THIS MORNING TO TAKE CARS OFF THE BEACH AND PUT ON THE DESERT END IN EXCHANGE FOR A FEW PARKING SPACES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF A1A. WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TOMORROW POWER THE STAFF NOW WHILE THE PRICES ON THE BEACH ARE STILL LOW ENOUGH. THEY'RE NOT AS LOW AS THEY USED TO BE BUT THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO BE HIGHER. WE NEED TO EMPOWER THE STAFF TO GO OUT AND FIND PARCELS ON THE BEACH OR IN SOME CASES ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN DO TO PROVIDE PARKING FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO THE BEACH. PARTICULARLY UP IN THE DAYTONA BEACH, SOFT SANDS COMING DOWN. IT'S PROBABLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE DRIVING IS COMING OFF THAT EIGHT. WE DON'T -- AREA. WE DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT IN A SQUEEZE WHERE WE HAVE TO WITH A GUN TO OUR HEAD BUY EXTREMELY HIGH PRICED PROPERTY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T DRIVE ON THAT BEACH ANYMORE. IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO PLAN FOR. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NEED TO PLAN FOR, JUST NEED TO GO OUT AND DO IT. WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO IS JUST TELL STAFF TO GO DO IT, TO GO OUT THERE AND INVESTIGATE WHAT PROPERTY IS SELLING FOR ON THE BEACH OR ACROSS THE STREET, WHICHEVER ONE IS THE BEST ACCESS THEY CAN COME UP WITH AND TO NEGOTIATE THE DEAL AND BRING IT BACK. NOT A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS, JUST THE WAY PEOPLE NORMALLY DO THESE KINDS OF DEALS DAY IN AND DAY OUT THROUGHOUT THESE UNITED STATES. THANK YOU.

MR. WAGNER, YOU HAVE COMMENT TO THAT ISSUE.

I AGREE AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE THE WESTSIDE A1A ALSO PART OF THAT. I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE A COUPLE AREAS STRATEGICALLY THAT I THINK ARE GREAT VALUE FOR IT, SOME PRETTY BIG LOTS LEFT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE BEACH APPROACHES, BATHROOMS. IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

IT DOES. IN SOME INSTANCES IT WOULD BE GREAT. WESTSIDE WORKS PERFECTLY.

A LOT OF THE WESTSIDE AS WELL IS BAD. IT LOOKS BAD. SO I THINK ONE GOOD THING ABOUT IT, WE MAY BUY IT. FUTURE COUNCILS MAY MAKE DECISIONS AND THERE MAY BE DEALS THAT CAN WORK AND YOU CAN LEVERAGE PROPERTIES AND PUT THINGS TOGETHER OVER TIME. I THINK THEY'LL BE UTILIZED. IF THEY'RE WESTSIDE PROPERTIES THERE ARE WESTSIDE PROPERTIES THAT CAN BE UTILIZED. THE WILBUR PARKING LOT. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BY, IT LOOKS AMAZING. THAT'S A WESTSIDE LOT USED OFTEN. FATHER'S DAY, OVERFLOW PARKING WORKED FOR IT. I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY DO THIS. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT FUNDING STREAMS. I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER ALL FUNDING STREAMS AVAILABLE AS PART OF THE EVALUATION AS WELL. I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT. I LIKE IT. I AM SUPPORTIVE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, THE FORWARD THUMBS UP. YOU GOT MINE.

THANK YOU.

MS. DENYS.

THANK YOU. I WOULD AGREE. HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE SOUTHEAST VOLUTIA IS INCLUDED IN THE SEARCH BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO OF THE FOUR MOST HEAVILY UTILIZED BEACH RAMPS IN THE COUNTY.

AS SOMEONE WHO FREQUENTLY GOES TO NEW SMYRNA, NEW SMYRNA IF WE LOST BEACH DRIVING WOULD BE AFFECTED MOST. IT'S NOT EVEN A QUESTION. AGGRESSIVENESS OF NEW SMYRNA NEEDS TO BE AGGRESSIVE.

IT'S TRUE. PLUS THAT'S WHERE THE GROWTH IS ON THE BEACH SIDE NOW. WE ARE MAXED OUT. WE ARE ABSOLUTELY MAXED OUT EVERYWHERE. EVERY SIDE STREET, EVERY YARD, IT'S TO CAPACITY. I AM GOING FORWARD AND LOOKING AT THIS. IF IT'S TIME TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX BUT THE ISSUE AGAIN HAS TO BE SAFETY IN LOOKING AT THIS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE IF WE NEED TO BUT KEEP SOUTHEAST VOLUTIA ON THE RADAR IN THIS ONE.

MS. NORTHY YOU HAVE COMMENT.

THANK YOU. I AM CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO PERHAPS REVISIT OUR DECISION SOME MONTHS AGO TO NOT USE ECHO MONEY TO HELP SUPPORT THIS ENDEAVOUR. WE DID VOTE TO STOP DOING THAT, AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS -- I THOUGHT IT WAS NOT A GOOD DECISION AT THE TIME BUT IN LIGHT OF THIS PARTICULARLY I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THAT'S A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY TO USE THAT MONEY FOR THIS. I AM LOOKING AT I GUESS MR. ECKERT WHETHER WE NEED TO TAKE FORMAL ACTION, AGENDA THAT AND TAKE A FORMAL ACTION WHETHER WE WOULD USE THAT OR NOT. I DON'T KNOW IF THESE FOUR MEMBERS ARE INTERESTED IN DOING THIS BUT I AM CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING THAT POT OF MONEY.

CAN I PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.

SURE.

THAT WE ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT ALL AVAILABLE REVENUE STREAMS THAT THEY THINK COULD BE USED AND TO BRING THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM. WE CAN TALK. I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE COULD DECIDE TO INCREASE PORT AUTHORITY A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR AND PUT THAT AND USE THAT. THERE ARE REVENUE STREAMS.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO DO IT MR. WAGNER. THAT'S FINE FOR ME.

I THINK IT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE IT.

IS THAT APPROPRIATE?

HERE IS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST. I THINK MR. DANIELS CABS LIED WELL WHEN HE SAID THEY'RE NOT THE BEST PRICES BUT THEY AIN'T GOING TO BE LOWER. THIS IN SOME WAYS COULD BE OUR LAST HOORAH. IF YOU LET US DO THIS THE WAY WE NEED OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT YOU OFFER BASED ON WHAT THE VALUE IS. WHETHER WE DO IT OURSELVES IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO DO INTERNALLY. WHY DON'T YOU LET US DO THIS? WHY DON'T YOU JUST LET US GO FIND THE DEALS? AS WE FIND THEM IF YOU WANT TO BUY THEM, I WILL LOOK AT WHATEVER WAY WE CAN PAY FOR THEM. WE'LL LOOK AT WHETHER WE USE ECHO, WHETHER WE WOULD BORROW MONEY. I AM ALWAYS CONSERVATIVE WITH THE BUDGET BECAUSE I THINK GROWTH POTENTIAL IS BECOMING WEAKER AND WEAKER WITH MOST BECOMING RESIDENTIAL. THE THING ABOUT THIS ASSET IS IT WILL ALWAYS GO UP IN VALUE. IT'S GOING TO COST MORE. ONE TIME CAPITAL PURCHASES OUT OF OUR BUDGET I CAN HANDLE BECAUSE ONCE IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER. IT'S NOT AN ON GOING EXPENSE. WHAT I THINK WE OUGHT DO IS SORT OF LET OPPORTUNITIES BASED ON IF THEY'RE GOOD DEALS SORT OF DICTATE TO US HOW MUCH YOU MIGHT WANT TO SPEND BASED ON WHAT DEALS WE CAN FIND. HOW ABOUT THAT? CAN YOU REALLY LET US GO LOOK? HERE IS THE OTHER THING. WE ARE ALSO GOING THROUGH -- AFTER WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE HOTEL AND THE DISCUSSIONS WE ARE HAVING, MARY ANN AND STAFF OUT THERE ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT A WHOLE NEW PLAN ON THE BEACH FOR WHATEVER WE CAN DO DROP OFF ZONES ACROSS FROM WESTSIDE PROPERTY AND MAKE THEM FORMAL. WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD SPOTS, WE BELIEVE WHERE WE HAVE CLOSED RAMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK ASIDE FROM, IN ADDITION TO PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS, I THINK HAVING A DROP OFF LOOP IS AN ENORMOUS INCREASE IN SAFETY BECAUSE IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO TAKE ALL THE STUFF OUT OF THEIR CAR AND IN MOST CASES YOU HAVE TWO ADULTS IF YOU HAVE KIDS, ALL THE STUFF. YOU DROP IT OFF. ONLY ONE PERSON, ONE ADULT IS CROSSING THE STREET. I WILL BRING A PLAN THAT CONNECTS THOSE. IF YOU ALLOW US TO DO THE IDEA OF PURCHASING PROPERTY WE WILL LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT IF WE BUY SOMETHING ON THE WESTSIDE T DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN TERMS OF WHERE A PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL COULD BE. MR. DANIELS MENTIONED MAYBE WHERE THERE ARE INTERSECTIONS. YOU DID TOO. WE COULD REALLY HONE IN. I WOULD RATHER LIMITS BE ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE, WHAT WE CAN BUY, WHAT YOU WANT TO SPEND ON BASED ON WHAT I CAN SHOW YOU I CAN GET OUT OF THE BUDGET. I THINK IF IT'S ONE TIME THEN I THINK IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO DEAL WITH.

JIM, GO DO ALL THAT. THAT'S FINE. I AM JUST SUGGESTING THAT ECHO OUGHT TO BE AN OPTION FOR HELPING TO OFFSET THE COST. THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING FOR.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE AS COUNCIL TOOK THE POSITION WE WEREN'T GOING DO THAT.

I KNOW YOU DID. YOU NEED TO REVERSE THAT POSITION.

THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING.

THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO LOOK AT HERE IS I THINK DEPENDING UPON WHERE THE PROPERTY IS AT, HOW IT IS LAID OUT, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM. WE WANT THE PROPERTY TO LOOK NICE WITH LANDSCAPE AND ALL THAT. JOSH MENTIONED IT TO ORNITA, THE PARK WE DID. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE HERE AT THE TIME THAT FOUGHT THE BATTLE. JOSH I REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE FIRST ON THE COUNCIL THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR PROJECTS WHERE WE HAD TO GET THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE DOING. REMEMBER WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY.

A LOT OF MEETINGS.

LOOKS GOOD TOO. I WAS THERE THE OTHER DAY.

IT'S A BICYCLE HUB. LOOK AT THE VALUE.

IT'S NICE.

THERE WAS CONTROVERSY ABOUT US BUYING THAT PROPERTY. IF YOU GIVE US THE GO THEN WE WILL TRY TO DO OUR BEST. QUITE FRANKLY WE ARE ANXIOUS TO DO THIS BEFORE THE TIME RUNS OUT.

MR. CHAIR.

I WILL REGISTER MYSELF THAT I AM A GO AND I THINK WE SHOULD REEVALUATE USING ECHO FUND.

OKAY. MR. DANIELS, FURTHER COMMENT.

I DON'T THINK MS. CUSACK HAS SPOKEN. LET'S LET HER SPEAK.

WILL A I WANT TO ADD WAS THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD NOT MOVE TO USE ECHO FUND AT THIS POINT UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. I THINK YOU HAVE HAD THE DIRECTIONS THAT WE OUGHT TO GO AND SEEK OUT TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND THEN MAKE A PROPOSAL AND IF THAT IS ON THE TABLE THEN I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE AT THAT TIME TO MAKE THAT. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, THAT WE WOULD DO IT AT THAT TIME. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO PUT THAT OUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

I GUESS WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD MS. NORTHEY IS SHE WANTED TO BE SURE ECHO WAS ON THE TABLE FOR CONSIDERATION. YOU WOULD STILL MAKE THE CHOICE. YOU HAD REALLY SAID YOU WEREN'T GOING TO USE IT SO YOU TOOK IT OFF THE TABLE. I THINK WHAT I AM HEARING IS WE'LL CROSS BRIDGE WHEN YOU SHOW ME THE PROPERTY. THAT MEANS YOU ARE PUTTING IT BACK ON THE TABLE WHICH I THINK IS GOOD BECAUSE I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT SOURCE OF MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT.

MR. ECKERT YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY BEFORE WE COME BACK TO MR. WAGNER?

I THINK I CAN HELP ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THIS POINT. YOUR MOTIONS DO NOT INDICATE THAT YOU EVER TOOK ECHO COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE. IF ECHO IS THE SOURCE THAT YOU WANT TO USE THE MOTION WHICH PASSED, THE RESOLUTION WHICH YOU PASSED SAID THAT ECHO PROJECTS, COUNTY SPONSORED PROJECTS --

I THINK YOU ARE WRONG MR. ECKERT. YOU SENT ME THE INFORMATION. I READ IT SPECIFICALLY. THERE WAS A VOTE. I WILL BE GLAD TO SEND YOU WHAT I THINK WE DID, WHAT THE MINUTES REFLECT.

I THINK THE MINUTES REFLECT THAT IT WAS A MOTION THAT COUNTY PROJECTS WOULD GO THROUGH ECHO COMMITTEE. IT CAN BE READ --

WE DID SAY THAT BUT WE SAID WE WERE NOT GOING TO USE ECHO MONEY FOR OFF BEACH PARKING. WE DID. I WILL SEND IT TO YOU.

INDEED I WAS ON THE LOSING END OF THE VOTE, SO I REMEMBER IT.

YES, THERE WAS A VOTE TAKEN.

WE WILL HAVE TO REVISIT THAT ISSUE AT A LATER DATE. CORRECT? YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR.

A COUPLE POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE JUST TO REEMPHASIZE. WHEN YOU ARE OUT LOOKING, WE HAVE A LEGAL AND MORAL OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE EASY ACCESS TO THE BEACH. THE ONE TRADITION THIS AREA HAS THAT IS WORTH PRESERVING IS ACCESS OF THE PEEVE TO THE BEACH, NO PRIVATE BEACH LIKE IN OTHER AREAS OF FLORIDA. NONE OF US WANT THAT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT YOU GET THE BEST AVAILABLE, THAT IT IS SOMETHING PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT AND SAY YES THEY DID IT AND THEY DID IT RIGHT. I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN BEACH DRIVING. IF IT WERE TO COME TO THAT, THEY WOULD NOT BE HAPPY. I REALLY WANT THIS DONE RIGHT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE KEEP OUR COMMITMENTS AND WE DO WHAT WE SAY WE ARE GOING DO. DO WE NEED A MOTION?

I THINK IT WOULD BE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT A MOTION TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO START EXPLORING OFF BEACH PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF A1A, NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE INLET, AND THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK THE PROJECTS WITH THE APPROPRIATE FUNDING SOURCES RECOMMENDED BY THE MANAGER.

THAT'S IT.

THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION WITH THE ONE CAVEAT THAT ALL FUNDING SOURCES ARE ON THE TABLE. IN ORDER TO THE EXTENT THAT ECHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF THE TABLE, IT'S BACK ON BUT IT'S NOT SAYING THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

MOTION FROM MR. DANIELS SECOND BY MR. WAGNER. MR. WAGNER, COMMENT?

YES. THE COMMENT I HAVE IS ALSO WHAT WE COULD DO. I THINK THE ECHO BOARD'S POSITION AND PEOPLE WITH PRIOR HISTORY OF ECHO, WE COULD SIMPLY, IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE THINGS STARTED, WE CAN STILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE ECHO BOARD AND NOT -- THEY CAN STILL GIVE THEIR APPROVAL. I THINK WHAT WE VOTED ON WAS TO KIND OF CHANGE THE PROCESS. ECHO IS ALWAYS THERE AND HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST FOUR OFF BEACH PARKING. THEY HAVE HAD MANY PROJECTS WITH IT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO GO AGAINST ECHO. I SIMPLY THINK WE CAN INCLUDE THEM AS PART OF THAT. AND WE CAN CROSS THAT ROAD WHEN WE GET THERE. I SUPPORT THE MOTION. THAT'S WHY I SECONDED.

ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENT? WE GO TO VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DIRECTING STAFF TO FIND PROPERTY EAST AND WEST OF U.S.1 NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE INLET. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? ALSO TO IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES AND TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL SO WE MAY LOOK AT POSSIBLY PURCHASING OFF BEACH PARKING, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYES.

AYES.

ALL OPPOSED? SO CARRIED.

CLARIFICATION. IT'S ALL OFF BEACH PARKING WE ARE LOOKING AT.

YES.

NORTH, SOUTH INLET. WE ARE LOOKING EVERYWHERE.

EVERYWHERE FOR OFF BEACH PARKING, NOT NECESSARILY SAYING WE WILL IMMEDIATELY DEVELOP IT EITHER. WE JUST HAVE TO BE READY FOR THE FUTURE.

MR. CHAIR, ON THIS POINT I WANT TO SAY THAT I CONSTRUE AS COUNTY ATTORNEY YOUR MOTION TO NOT LIMIT OUR OFFER TO THE APPRAISED VALUE ON THE TAX RULE.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. THAT'S THE SILLIEST THING I EVER HEARD. NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THERE ARE NO PRE-CONDITIONS. GO AND NEGOTIATE A DEAL. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A GOOD DEAL YOU WILL FIND OUT WHEN WE VOTE ON IT AT THE COUNCIL.

TRUST ME, YOU'LL FIND OUT.

MR. PATTERSON, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER?

FAIR ENOUGH, SIR.

THAT'S GOOD.

ACTUALLY I DIDN'T WANT TO CLOUD THIS ONE UP BUT I DO HAVE --

BUT HE WILL.

I WAS STARTING TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION BUT I DECIDED TO HOLD BACK ON IT. I AM SITTING HERE WITH A LETTER OUT OF ORANGE CITY. I AM STARTING TO LOOK AT OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON BEACH FRONT OFF BEACH PARKING AND EVERYTHING AND I AM LOOKING AT THE WESTSIDE OF THE COUNTY. WHAT'S IN IT FOR US? WE'VE GOT GREAT STATE PARKS AND ESPECIALLY I'VE GOT PEOPLE -- YOU CAN'T GET INTO ONCE BLUE SPRINGS GETS FULL YOU USED TO LET THE PEOPLE PARK AND WAIT IN LINE. THEY WON'T LET THEM DO IT ANYMORE. NOW THEY'RE PARKING FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AT VALENTINE PARK AND YOU GOT PEOPLE WALKING DOWN. THAT'S KIND OF A SAFETY HAZARD. WE'VE GOT AREAS THAT PROBLEM I NEED TO BE IMPROVED. I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT THAT. THAT WAS GOING TO BE A MOTION, AN AMENDMENT TO MR. DANIELS' MOTION BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE US LOOK AT SOME OF THE AVAILABILITY ON ST. JOHN'S RIVER OR SPRINGS AND THE PARK UP THERE OFF OF SHELL HARBOR ROAD. SO I DON'T WANT US TO GET LOST IN THIS GREAT BILLION DOLLAR DEBATE THAT WILL COME ABOUT WITH ALL THE BEACH FRONT PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WILL BE EXPENSIVE. I AM NOT DISAGREEING.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE PRIORITIES. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN A WINDOW WHERE WE CAN ACQUIRE PROPERTY ON THE BEACH OR ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BEACH AT A REASONABLE PRICE AND THAT WINDOW IS CLOSING QUICKLY. THE WESTSIDE HAS NEVER SHOWN THAT KIND OF PROPERTY APPRECIATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE COUNTY. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO GET IN UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW. THE WESTSIDE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT THE WESTSIDE NEEDS AND I AM A SUPPORTER OF THE WESTSIDE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO IMPROVE THINGS OVER THERE. INCLUDING CLEANING UP THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER. GOD KNOWS THAT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES, I AM PERFECTLY HAPPY FOR THAT. YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE PRIORITIES. I THINK RIGHT NOW THIS IS IT.

I JUST DON'T WANT US OVER HERE TO BE, YOU KNOW, NOT INCLUDED.YOU ARE LOOKING AT A LOT OF MONEY. I AM NOT OBJECTING TO THAT. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND THERE WILL PROBABLY BE ANGST BY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO GO TOTALLY IN THAT DIRECTION. I DO THINK WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THE AMENITIES WE HAVE OVER HERE AND IMPROVING THOSE AND MAYBE ADDING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AS OUR TRAILS GET INCLUDED. I JUST DON'T WANT MY SIDE WHERE I LIVE ON THE WESTSIDE IGNORED IN THIS WHOLE THING WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY THING THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE BEACH FRONT PROPERTY OVER THERE WHICH CAUSES MORE PROBLEMS THAN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING. YOU CAN FILL THIS CHAMBERS UP WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT BEACH FRONT ISSUES.

THAT MAY BE TRUE BUT THE CHARTER SAYS WE HAVE DO THIS. THE CHARTER DOESN'T SAY A THING ABOUT WESTSIDE ACCESS TO BLUE SPRINGS. THE PEOPLE OF VOLUTIA COUNTY THOUGHT ACCESS TO THE BEACH WAS IMPORTANT TO THE BEACH WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TOEN SHRINE IT IN THE CARTER.

WHY DON'T WE RENAME ST. JOHN'S RIVER ST. JOHN'S BEACH AND BLUE SPRINGS IS BLUE SPRINGS BEACH AND DELION SPRINGS BEACH?

THAT IS RIGHTER REVIEW IS COMING UP. -- CHARTER REVIEW IS COMING UP. WHY DON'T YOU PROPOSE IT?

ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON THIS MR. DANIELS?

I WOULD LIKE TO --

COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

JUST ONE COMMENT. HERE IS THE ISSUE WITH THE STATE PARK. YOU ARE RIGHT MR. PATTERSON. IT'S WHAT HAPPENS AT BLUE SPRINGS. IF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE WHEN THEY'RE AT CAPACITY AND PARKING IS FULL AND YOU GET IN, THE CONCERN THERE IS NOT ONLY IF YOU INCREASE PARKING SPACE, THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN INCREASE THE PARK AREA. WE HAVE A CONFINED GEOGRAPHIC ACREAGE CURRENTLY AND IF THAT PARKING IS AT CAPACITY OUTSIDE THE GATE, ONCE YOU GET IN THE PARK, YOU ARE REALLY AT CAPACITY SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE DOUBLE EDGED SWORDS THAT WE ADD CAPACITY. AT LEAST WITH THE BEACH WE HAVE AN EXPANDED GEOGRAPHIC AREA NOT CONFINED BY BORDERS OR PERIMETERS. YOU ARE RIGHT, IT IS, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN AT BLUE SPRINGS WHEN IT IS PACKED. IT IS A WONDERFUL PLACE. I DON'T WANT TO RENAME IT A BEACH.

I WAS KIDDING.

I HEAR YOU.

WHAT'S HAPPENING IS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET IN WITH THEIR CARS THEY'RE PARKING SOME PLACE ELSE SO THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN.

THEY ARE.

LET ME ADD THIS. I CONSTANTLY DEAL WITH OTHER ISSUES THAT COME UP. I THINK IN THE CASE THAT MR. PATTERSON HAS IF YOU CAN ARTICULATE THAT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK. I THINK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC., MAYBE A SAFETY ISSUE. I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT ONE OR TWO OF THE ISSUES WITHOUT IT INTERFERING WITH THE OTHER PROGRAM. I'LL LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT IT IS PRIORITY WISE. MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER FUNDS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THAT CAN BE USED. IF YOU WOULD LIKE I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

THAT'S WHY I WASN'T GOING TO AMEND MR. DANIELS' MOTION.

I WILL TAKE A LOOK UNLESS COUNCIL SAYS NO, I WILL TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT I CAN DO.

MS. CUSACK.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO MR. PATTERSON'S COMMENTS THAT WE OUGHT STAY ON THE RADAR SCREEN ON THE WESTSIDE ALSO. WE HAVE THE PARKS. IF WE USE ECHO DOLLARS THEY COME FROM EAST AND WEST. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRYING DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RECREATIONAL AREAS FOR ALL OF THE CITIZENS IN VOLUTIA COUNTY. MR. PATTERSON, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

ONE OTHER THING, THAT'S A STATE PARK. MAYBE I COULD ASK THE DJ THAT GAVE US OUR MONEY WE WILL CALL IT DJJ PARKING LOT. IT WOULD BE NICE. IF WE HAVE SOME STATE MONEY WE CAN USE IT MAYBE. I WOULDN'T CAUGHT ON IT EITHER. I WILL TAKE A LOOK MS. PATTERSON.

MS. DENYS? CLOSING COMMENTS? WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES.

JUST A QUESTION. WHEN DO WE WANT TO REVIEW APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM AFTER THE JOINT MEETING WE HAD WITH DAYTONA STATE? ARE WE BRINGING IT BACK ON THE AGENDA SOON? IT'S IN DISCUSSION? WHERE ARE WE.

I TALKED ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY. I CAN BRING IT FORWARD AS EARLY AS THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY OR FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. I THINK WHAT HAPPENED OUT OF THE MEETING WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US IS I THINK THAT THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS, I THINK, WAS A SEA CHANGE. MR. WAGNER KNOWS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. I THINK IF WE'RE WILLING TO INCLUDE THOSE, I THINK WE COULD REALLY BE SUCCESSFUL IN MAYBE COMING UP WITH A PROGRAM IF WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THOSE. I WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL REALLY OPENED UP A LOT MORE POSSIBILITIES. I HAVE HEARD BACK FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SEE MAYBE THERE IS SOME VALUE FOR HAVING CERTIFICATES ALSO AS PART OF THIS INCENTIVE PROGRAM. THOSE COULD BE AIMED AT VOLUTIA OR THE TRAINING BEING IN VOLUTIA. A SECOND MEETING IN JULY, FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST, WE CAN HAVE IT ON AS A WORKSHOP.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT. MS. NORTHEY. SEVEN MINUTES.

THANK YOU MR. DAVIS. I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS. ONE, THE RAIL COMMISSION REQUIRES THAT WE APPOINT WITHIN A YEAR -- THEY HAVE A CUSTOMER ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WE APPOINT WITHIN ONE YEAR OF SUN REAL OBSERVATION SOMEBODY TO THE BOARD, TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I WAS WONDERING HOW -- I THINK IT'S TWO MEMBERS. I WAS WONDERING HOW THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO DIRECT. THERE IS A LIST OF CRITERIA. PERHAPS WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS TO ASK THE STAFF TO DO A PRESS RELEASE AND MAYBE IF WE KNOW PEOPLE THEY HAVE TO BE A RIDER. THEY HAVE TO RIDE AT LEAST THREE TIMES A WEEK. IT'S TWO MEMBERS FROM EACH OF THE PARTNERS. THEY CAN SERVE FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TERMS. IT MEETS QUARTERLY. THEY REPORT TO THE RAIL COMMISSION. WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT. THAT'S GOT TO BE DONE. I CAN THINK OF THE NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO RIDE ON A REGULAR BASIS. I DON'T WANT TO CALL HIS NAME BECAUSE I VANE TALKED TO HIM BUT HE WORKS DOWNTOWN IN TRANSPORTATION AND LIVES IN DELAN. IF HE IS RIDING THREE DAYS A WEEK I THINK HE WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT CHOICE. HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS? DO WE WANT TO START LOOKING FOR TWO PEOPLE? WE NEED TO DO IT.

HOW DO WE NORMALLY PUT OUT OUR REQUEST FOR PERSONNEL, VOLUNTEERS MR. DINNEEN.

TRADITIONALLY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD PEOPLE THEY WANTED TO BRING FORWARD AND THAT'S HOW WE DID IT.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS OUT THERE. WE HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING WITH IT. IT'S NOT BEEN ON OUR RADAR.

LET ME GET WITH DAVE AND SEE WHAT IS THE BEST WAY. I LIKE THE IDEA OF PEOPLE ACTIVELY USING THE SYSTEM. LET'S TALK TO DAVE AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT INCLUSIVE FOR PEOPLE INTERESTED.

MEANWHILE IF COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE OBJECTION I CAN MAKE CALL TO THE ONE GENTLEMAN WHO IS ACTIVE IN TRANSPORTATION ISSUES THAT WAS WRITING IT AND SEE IF HE WOULD BE INTERESTED. WOULD THAT BE OKAY?

THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME.

THANK YOU. THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUTTHE -- WHAT DO WE CALL THAT BOARD? THE ONE THAT LEAVES HAMILTON. COC BOARD.

CONTINUING CARE.

THEY SENT AN E-MAIL ASKING ABOUT A DESIGNATED EIGHT REBOUNDS INNOCENT ON THAT. -- DESIGNATE ON THAT. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD. ARE WE GOING TO APPOINT SOMEBODY.

THIS IS CONTINUUM CARE.

I AGREE WITH NEED TO DO IT BUT I DON'T THINK BONNIE SORENSON IS THE RIGHT ONE FOR THAT.

SHE CERTAINLY IS INVOLVED IN HOMELESSNESS ISSUES. I THINK SHE'S A GREAT CHOICE.

WE WEREN'T PLANNING ON COUNTY STAFF. SHE'S NOT COUNTY STAFF.

SHE'S NOT, RIGHT.

WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SOMEBODY THAT WASN'T COUNTY ST. VIATOR THAT YOU WOULD PICK. HER NAME CAME OUT BECAUSE OF HER UNDERSTANDING OF A LOT OF ISSUES IN HOMELESSNESS ESPECIALLY RELATED TO HEALTHCARE.

SHE'S NOT A COUNTY STAFF PERSON.

I AM NOT SURE THEY WANTED A COUNTY STAFF PERSON. I ENVISIONED THEY WANTED SOMEBODY THAT THE COUNCIL THEMSELVES FELT COMFORTABLE WITH. COULD BE A CITIZEN.

ASK IF VOLUTIA COUNTY WILL DESIGNATE APPLICANT FOR THE COC BOARD POSITION.

I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING FOR A CITIZEN OR SOMEBODY YOU FELT YOU WANTED AS A GROUP YOU FELT WAS COMFORTABLE WITH BEING ON CONTINUUM OF CARE.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU IN READING THIS AGAIN THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE -- I GUESS IT WAS FOR THE APPLICANT WAS FOR A VOTE. IT SEAS MAJORITY OF BOARD APPLICANTS, A PROFESSIONAL. MOST APPLICANTS WILL SIMPLY APPEAR ON THE BALLOT THAT WILL BE SENT FOR VOTING APPROVAL NEXT WEEK. THAT WAS DATED 6/10. SO WE'RE KIND OF COMING UP ON A DATE HERE.

GUYS I AM READING THIS E-MAIL. IT SAYS I AM WRITING TO REQUEST THAT YOU DESIGNATE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE VOLUTIA COUNTY STAFF TO SERVE ON THE CONTINUUM OF CARE BOARD. I AM READING IT. I AM NOT MAKING IT UP. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ASKED DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO DO IT. I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF MONEY FLOWS THROUGH US. I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT A STAFF MEMBER ON IT.

I AM NOT SURE THAT THAT'S STILL -- TIME FOR THAT HASN'T PASSED. THE CONTINUUM OF CARE BOARD. IT'S TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL REGULATIONS. IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE BOARD OF THE COALITION FOR HOMELESS, AND IT'S BEING THE E-MAIL BALLOTS FOR THAT ARE CLOSED I BELIEVE FOR TOMORROW.

WHEN I AM RE-READING I AM THINKING YOU ARE PROBABLY TOO LATE FOR IT.

I THINK SO FOR THIS GO AROUND.

ALL RIGHT. SCRATCH THAT ONE.

IT'S 5:00 NOW. WHY CAN'T SOMEONE PUT IN AN APPLICATION RIGHT THIS SECOND?

I THINK THEY'RE DUE 5:00.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT'S 5:00. I WAS LIKE NO, IT'S 3:00.

MY FEAR IS A LOT OF MONEY FLOWS THROUGH US. THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY ENGAGED IS SCARY.

I THOUGHT BONNIE WOULD BE A GOOD CHOICE BECAUSE SHE HAS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY BUT SHE'S A LITTLE BIT INDEPENDENT AND KNOWS HOMELESSNESS ISSUES. SHE DEALS WITH THEM THROUGH PUBLIC HEALTH UNIT ALL THE TIME. [CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING]

I THINK WE PROBABLY AGREE THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON THERE. I THINK JUST WHO IS IT GOING TO BE?

THEY LITERALLY HAVE TO FILL THIS OUT IN THE NEXT -- IT'S NOT HARD, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT IT IT'S A VERY SIMPLE APPLICATION.

NO.

RICK KARL. [ LAUGHTER ]

NO. NO.

WHAT ELSE YOU GOT TO DO; RICK?

NO, I LOVE RICK BUT HE'S NOT.

IF YOU'RE OKAY, GIVING ME THE AUTHORITY TO JUST APPOINT ONE OF MY STAFF.

IT'S ON ITS WAY TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DO IT.

RICK IS SITTING THERE SHAKING HIS HEAD GOING NO.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS, BUT IT'S 3:00.

WHY DON'T WE FINISH OFF AND THEN WE'LL PICK UP.

JUST A COUPLE THINGS. IF I COULD ASK, MR. MANAGER. THANK YOU FOR STAYING WHILE I'M MAKING MY COUNCIL COMMENTS, JIM.

SUPPOSED TO BE GOING OUT AND GETTING THAT PERSON RIGHT NOW. I WAS LIKE, YOU DIDN'T JUMP.

NOW I REALIZE WHY I'M GONE. YOU KEEP GIVING ME THINGS TO DO.

DOWN AMOUNT THE MARSH FIELD.

HE JUST LEAVES ME OUT HERE BY MYSELF. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES OR CONTACTS IN. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER DAVE BYRON IS OUT THERE FOR NOT. BUT THERE WAS MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT LIBRARY RENOVATION AT THE OLD COFFEE SHOP SPACE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IF I COULD GET A MEETING WITH STAFF TO TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE ADVANCE ANY FURTHER.

WE'LL DO THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN WE HAVE A WATER WORKSHOP COMING UP NEXT WEEK. CITIES ARE SCHEDULED TO COME IN THE AFTERNOON?

YES, MA'AM.

SO THIS IS AN ALL DAY DEAL. THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST BY A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND I KNOW IT'S VERY STRUCTURED, BUT AT SOME POINT -- I JUST FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE LEAVING THE PUBLIC TO THE END OF THE DAY TO HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THAT MEETING AND THEN STAY UNTIL THE END OF THE DAY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE COUNCIL THINKS WE OUGHT TO INCLUDE SOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AT DIFFERENT PLACES ALONG THE AGENDA SO THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT WE'RE HEARING AND WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING. IT'S THEIR WATER TOO. SO WE CAN ADD PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TO THE ITEMS AS THEY COME UP. IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT?

MAY I SUGGEST WE DO IT IN PERHAPS TWO SEGMENTS. THAT YOU HAVE A MORNING PUBLIC PERIOD AND THEN A SECOND ONE IN THE AFTERNOON. IF WE GO AFTER EACH ITEM, THIS IS AN AGGRESSIVE AGENDA IN TERMS OF TIME. I'M JUST TRYING TO MANAGE THAT TIME AS BEST WE CAN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE IN THE MORNING. BUT I ALSO AM CONCERNED IF WE DON'T GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND, AND I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY WOULD RESPOND ANYWAY, BUT I THINK WE'RE DOING OURSELVES A DISSERVICE. THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE THERE THAT HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE SHOULD BE LISTENING TO OTHER IDEAS. I'M THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT. I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET A LOT OF CRANKS THAT WILL SHOW UP AND TALK ABOUT WATER ISSUES. I JUST DON'T. MAYBE I'M WRONG.

I WASN'T WORRIED ABOUT THE CONTENT. ONLY THE TIMING.

INDEED, THERE COULD BE PEOPLE THERE, PROBABLY WILL BE PEOPLE THERE THAT HAVE SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE AND IT MIGHT BE USEFUL. I GUESS WE CAN KIND OF PLAY IT BY EAR AND RELY ON THE CHAIRMAN TO GAVEL PEOPLE DOWN IF THEY GET OUT OF HAND. IF IT DOESN'T WORK WE'LL JUST CUT IT OUT AND MOVE ON.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD. IS EVERYBODY GOOD?

WE CAN CERTAINLY ALLOW FOR QUESTIONS AFTER EACH PRESENTATION IF THAT'S YOUR --

THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.

THAT'S FINE.

THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. DAVIS. THIS MORNING YOU INDICATED THAT YOU WERE PULLING AN ITEM FOR THE PUBLIC FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. TURNED OUT TO BE THE SHERYL MANSION. THEY WERE NOT HERE THIS MORNING, SO HOW'D THAT HAPPEN?

THEY WERE HERE THIS MORNING AND IT WAS HANDED TO ME THIS MORNING.

OKAY.

I HAD THE YELLOW SLIP.

AND THEIR POWER POINT WAS LOADED?

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WAS LOADED. YOU'LL HAVE TO TALK TO MISS ZIMMERMAN.

THEY GAVE ME THEIR SLIPS AND JUMP DRIVE AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN WENT TO THE LIBRARY FOR A LITTLE BIT AND CAME BACK. THAT'S ALL I KNOW.

ANYTHING ELSE?

NO, I'M DONE.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON.

THEY CAME IN EARLY.

VERY WELL.

UNBELIEVABLE. I GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE.

WE SHOULD NOW DO ITEM NUMBER 33, I THINK. UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK. ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 33, 3:00 P.M. TIME SPECIFIC. WE'RE ACTUALLY A COUPLE MINUTES AFTER. MR. RICK KARL. THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE CITY OF ORANGE CITY TO CREATE A COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA. MR. RICK KARL, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.

BEFORE MR. KARL SPEAKS, I WILL DO JUST AN INTRODUCTORY COMMENTARY HERE TO BRING US UP TO DATE IN TERMS OF HOW -- WHAT WE'VE DONE TO GET HERE TODAY. WE HAD A PRESENTATION TWO MEETINGS AGO REGARDING THE ORANGE CITY REQUEST FOR DELEGATION FOR CRA. WE WERE EXTENDED AT THAT TIME TO ALLOW SOME ISSUES TO BE CLARIFIED. WE HAVE A RATHER EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION TODAY THAT WILL BE DONE BY THE CITY REPRESENTATIVES. WE DID REQUEST AN EXTENSION OF THE CONSIDERATION PERIOD FOR THE CRA SO THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD NOT BE IN A POSITION TODAY OF HAVING TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION. YOU HAVE TIME TO CONSIDER THIS TODAY THROUGH THE NEXT MEETING AND GIVE DIRECTION AND THEN TO HAVE YOUR FINAL HEARING ON A RESOLUTION DIRECTED AT YOUR DISCRETION TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE -- AND THIS IS AGAIN, I APPAL POLL JEEZ, IT WAS LATE INFORMATION. I DISTRIBUTED THIS INFORMATION. IT WAS AN UPDATE FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER ON HIS EARLIER PRESENTATION ON BLIGHT ANALYSIS. I AM NOT PRESENTING THAT. HE PROVIDED THAT TO ME JUST AS AN UPDATE ON THE CURRENT TAX ROLL. HE HIGHLIGHTED SOME SLIDES AND THOSE ARE IN YOUR PACKET BEFORE YOU. THAT IS SIMPLY BACKGROUND INFORMATION, UPDATE INFORMATION YOU RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY. THE PLAN TODAY, AS I SAY, WAS TO HAVE THE CITY PRESENT THEIR PRESENTATION, ALLOW FOR ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL. GET PUBLIC COMMENTARY. AND THEN IF IT'S THE COUNCIL INCLINATION TO PROCEED ON THIS REQUEST THAT WE COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND GO THROUGH THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT A DELEGATION MIGHT LOOK LIKE AT FINAL

APPROVAL. DISTURB WITH THE PRESENTATION BY THE CITY -- WITH THE PRESENTATION BY THE CITY OUTLINING THEIR REQUEST. AT END OF THE DAY THE COUNCIL COULD GIVE DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHETHER WE PROCEED AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING WE WOULD PURSUE THE STRUCTURE OF ANY DELEGATION. THANK YOU.

RICK KARL. DIRECTOR OF AVIATION ECONOMIC RESOURCES DOCUMENT. I'M HERE WITH YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AND AIR LEAN SMITH WHO IS OUR CRA COORDINATOR. AT THIS TIME, PLEASE THE COUNCIL I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE CITY REPRESENTATIVE. I THINK MR. GLENN STORICKS WILL BE SPEAKING. HE IS HERE HIMSELF.

HOW DO WE GET THIS TO WORK?

FIRST OF ALL, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS GLENN STORCH. SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY. I'M REPRESENTING ORANGE CITY. AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL, THIS IS A CASE THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. I'VE BEEN IN THIS AREA FOR 30 YEARS. I'VE SEEN EXACTLY WHAT CRAs CAN DO, HOW TO MAKE THEM BETTER AND HOW THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. THE PURPOSE OF CRA TO ME IS JUST THAT, IT'S A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY TO TRY AND SOLVE A BLIGHTED AREA. TRY TO SOLVE A BLIGHTED AREA AND REDEVELOPMENT AREA. THIS IS THE BEST TOOL WE HAVE HAD. THIS IS THE TOOL WE'VE HAD -- IT'S BEEN MOST EFFECTIVE OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS THAT DOING JUST THAT. YOU'VE SEEN EVIDENCE OF THAT ACROSS THE COUNTY. MOST RECENTLY WITH YOUR CRA GETTING READY TO EXPIRE. IT'S GOING TO COME BACK AND REALLY BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET AND INVESTMENT FOR THE COUNTY. WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S AN INVESTMENT BLIGHT OF AREA THAT WILL PROVIDE FOR AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES. AS THOSE INCREASES ARE DONE AND THE TAXES ONLY ON THE INCREASES, NOT ANYTHING ELSE, ARE THEN USED FOR THE TIFF TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL MONEYS TO HELP THESE BLIGHTED AREAS AND BRING THEM OUT OF BLIGHTED AREAS. IT'S SISTER THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. YOU'VE SEEN THAT. THIS IS COMING BACK AND IT'S AN INVESTMENT. THERE'S INTANGIBLE BENEFITS. I THINK THAT YOU WILL -- IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE FROM VARIOUS CITIES WHO HAVE HAD CRAs, YOU WILL SEE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY PRIDE FOR WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. IF YOU WALK DOWN FLAGGER AVENUE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE 20 YEARS AGO AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE NOW, THERE'S A SWELLING OF PRIDE AMONG THE RESIDENTS. CANAL STREET. IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH DAYTONA AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THEIR CAR AND HOW THEIR CITIZENS FEEL ABOUT IT. THEY LOVE IT. HOPE IS AN IMPORTANT AREA. IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR A BLIGHTED AREA. WHEN YOU'RE IN A CRA, IT BECOMES ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT FUNDING. THAT'S SOMETHING WE USE TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE MONEYS COMING FROM THE COUNTY, TIFF ASPECT, THE CITY TIFF ASPECT AND ALLOWS US TO ACCOMPLISH GOALS. NOW, IN ORANGE CITY IN PARTICULAR, AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, THIS IS A PLACE THAT BADLY NEEDS A CRA. FIRST OF ALL, FROM SAFETY STANDPOINT. THIS AREA OF 1792, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SOME OF THESE AREAS SAFE. YOU'VE HAD 15 PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. YOU'VE HAD FOUR DEATHS. 11 BICYCLE ACCIDENTS. THIS IS AN OLDER CITY. I THINK IT WAS DEVELOPED IN 1882. 1792 IS PART OF AN OLDER ROAD. ALL THESE PARCELS ARE ALONG THERE AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO CREATE A SAFE TRAFFIC PATTERN FOR THIS AREA. WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE. THIS IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT AS WELL. ORANGE CITY IS THE POOREST CITIES IN THE COUNTY AS FAR AS MEDIAN INCOMES. $30,000 PER HOUSEHOLD. IT'S ONE OF THE LOWEST IN VOLUSIA. THIS AREA NEEDS HELP. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON MY -- YES. THIS IS AMAZING. YOU HAVE THIS DOWNTOWN AREA. 1792. TRYING TO BRING IT UP. TRYING TO LET IT INCREASE IN VALUE. THERE'S NO SEWER IN THIS AREA. HOW CAN YOU INCREASE AN AREA? HOW CAN YOU ATTRACT ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES IN AN AREA WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN HAVE SEWER. YOU CAN'T BUILD A BIGGER BUILDING. EVERYTHING IS SUBSTANDARD. IT'S ON SUBSTANDARD SEPTIC TANKS RIGHT NOW. THERE'S NO STORM WATER. ALL IT WILL CONTINUE TO DO IS DETERIORATE. THERE IS NO WAY OF INCREASING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA WITHOUT GOVERNMENT COMING IN AND HELPING IN THIS MANNER. ONLY WAY THEY CAN HAPPEN IN THIS CASE IS THROUGH A CRA. SO WE HAVE NO SEWER SYSTEM, NO ABILITY TO EXPAND USE. THE BLIGHT STUDY HAS DETERMINED THIS IS A BLIGHTED AREA. WE HAVE UNDERDEVELOPED PARKS. WE HAVE DEPRECIATING VALUES. WE NEED TO HAVE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS. LOOK AT ALL OF THE SCHOOL AROUND THIS AREA IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE USING AS PEDESTRIANS. RIVER SPRINGS. UNIVERSITY HEIGHTS. I THINK UNIVERSITY IS IN THE CRA. UNIVERSITY CREATED A SEPTIC -- A SEWER SYSTEM CONNECTION. THERE WAS NO PLACE FOR IT TO CONNECT TO. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FOR THIS AREA. IF THERE WAS EVER A BLIGHTED AREA, THIS IS IT. THIS BADLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN. WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. FLOODING. THERE'S NO STORM WATER SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY OF DOING THIS. THESE WILL ALLOW THIS AREA TO BLOSSOM. ALLOW IT TO REDEVELOP. WE'LL DO IT AS A PARTNER. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CRITERIA REQUIRED TO BE MET AS FAR AS THE STATE STATUTES. SHOW THE NECESSITY OF THE CRITERIA ACT. YOU HAVE TO DO THE RESOLUTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. YOU HAVE TO DELEGATE THAT POWER TO THE CITIES. WE'RE MEETING ALL THE CRITERIA THAT'S IN THE STATE STATUTE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DOUBT ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE BECOMES, HAVE WE MET THE CRITERIA OF YOUR 2010 RESOLUTION. WHERE YOU SET FORTH ADDITIONAL STANDARDS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THIS CRA DOES WHAT YOU WANT IT TO DO. TO PROVIDE THE OVERNIGHT. TO PROVIDE -- TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT DEALING WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE SAW IN SOME OF THE OLD CRAs. IT DOES. IN IS A CRA THAT ONLY DEALS WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. BRICKS AND MORTAR. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT OH, GOING TO HAVE FESTIVALS AND THINGS. NO. NO FESTIVALS. BRICKS AND MORTAR IMPROVEMENTS. INFRASTRUCTURE ONLY. THINGS THAT ACTUALLY MATTER TO THIS COMMUNITY. THINGS THAT WILL ACTUALLY BRING UP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FROM THE CITY'S SIDE, NO ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FROM THE COUNTY'S SIDE. ONLY BRICKS AND MORTAR. THAT'S IT. THE COUNTY AND THE CITY ARE THE SOLE TAXING AUTHORITIES. WE'RE MAKING CERTAIN IT'S NOT THE CASE. ONLY THE CITY'S SIDE AND THE COUNTY SIDE. HOSPITAL. ECHO. ALL THOSE OTHER TAXING AUTHORITIES. THESE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WE'RE DEALING WITH. IT WILL ONLY EXIST FOR 20 YEARS. ALTHOUGH I KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION SAID 40. IN DISCUSSIONS, IT WAS CLEAR THAT 20 IS SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK AT. THAT IS ONLY 20 YEARS. WE PROVIDED THAT TO THE COUNTY WHEN THEY ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION. HOPEFULLY YOU RECEIVED THAT. THIS IS ONLY A TERM OF 20

YEARS. WE'VE IDENTIFIED ECONOMIC GOALS WE'VE TRIED TO ESTABLISH IN THIS. MY WAY OF THINKING IS YES, THERE WERE ECONOMIC GOALS, OBVIOUSLY THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE SEWER. THE SIDEWALKS, ET CETERA. YES, THOSE ARE ECONOMIC DOMES. THOSE ARE ALSO COMMUNITY DOMES. THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND SO IMPORTANT TO RESTORE HOPE TO THIS AREA. AND OVERSIGHT. I THINK THAT OVERSIGHT PART OF THIS IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THE COUNTY UNDERSTANDS WE PARTNERS. THAT WE WILL COME TO YOU ON A REPORT AND REPORT TO YOU ANNUALLY ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN SPENT. WHAT'S BEEN RECEIVED. WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS OUR GOALS. AND WORK WITH YOU AS A

PARTNER. IT IS SO NECESSARY. NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME IS -- ALL THESE ESTIMATES OF HOW THIS IS TAKING OUT OF THE COUNTY BUDGET. NEXT YEAR IT WILL BE 17,651. THAT WILL BE THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTION TOWARD THIS. IT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE THE CRA. IT WOULD ALLOW US TO APPLY FOR GRANTS. 28,000. 51,000. COME PAPERED TO WHAT YOU HAVE SPENT IN OTHER AREAS. COMPARED TO OTHER CRAs. COMPARED TO WHAT YOU HAVE SPENT FOR, I DON'T EVEN GET INTO SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU NO, NO, NO, NO. SOME D SOME INVESTIGATIONS. THIS IS NOTHING AND IT DOES SO MUCH FOR THIS COMMUNITY. IT DOES SO MUCH FOR WEST VOLUSIA. IT DOES SO MUCH FOR ORANGE CITY. IT DOES SO MUCH FOR 1792. THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS BRICKS AND MORTAR. THIS IS WHAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE DOING. I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING ELSE. THIS WAS FASCINATING TO ME. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE COUNTY BUDGET. YOU PUT MONEY IN, THE PROPERTY VALUES GO UP AND THEN THE CRA ENDS AND COMES BACK TO THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AS TAX REVENUES. I WANT YOU TO LOOK. IN 2015 THE NEW CRA IS DONE. THAT'S THE FLAGGER AVENUE, CANAL STREET AND NORTH CAUSEWAY. IN 2015 THE COUNTY SHARE OF THIS WILL BE GETTING ANOTHER -- WILL BE GETTING ANOTHER $1.186 MILLION COMING BACK TO YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE CRA. THAT'S WHAT'S COMING TO YOU. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BALANCE SHEET. YES, YOU'LL BE OUT 26,000, 2014. A TOTAL OF 69,000 IN 2015. IN 2016, YOU WILL BE IN THE PLUS COLUMN IN THE BLACK BY OVER $1 MILLION BECAUSE OF THIS CRA. BECAUSE OF YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE CRA. THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THAT. AND THAT GOES ON FOR YEARS. YOU'RE PLUS $1 MILLION IN 2017. YOU'RE OVER $1 MILLION IN 2018. YOU'RE OVER $1 MILLION IN 2019, 2020. YOU GO INTO 900,000 ONLY. THESE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS. AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE OTHER CRAs THAT ARE COMING OFF LINE. THE LAND DOWNTOWN. SOUTH DAYTONA. IN 2027, YOU THEN ARE PLUS $2,600,000 BECAUSE OF THESE INVESTMENTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES. YOU HAVE INCREASED TAXES AND THIS INVESTMENT IS PAYING OFF. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS -- THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. IT IS NOT COSTING YOU. IT IS AN INVESTMENT. YOU'VE SEEN THE CRA BOUNDARIES BEFORE. THERE WAS A CONCERN FROM COUNTY STAFF THAT THE, WE WERE INCLUDING AREAS THAT WERE AT THIS POINT IN THE COUNTY. WE DID A CERTIFICATE. WE DID OUR NEED STUDY BASED ON THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA BECAUSE THERE ARE SAFETIES -- ENCLAVES OF COUNTY LAND THAT ARE NOT IN THE CITY. WE RECOGNIZE THAT ONLY AREAS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF CAN BECOME PART OF A CRA. BUT WE ANTICIPATED THAT AS TIME WENT ON AND SOME OF THESE THINGS ANNEXED POTENTIALLY, THEY WOULD BECOME PART OF THE CRA. TO CLARIFY, ANY AREA THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY WE HAVE REMOVED. WE HAVE PROVIDED A BOUNDARY DESCRIPTION THAT ONLY INCLUDES THE AREA WITHIN THE CITY FOR THE CRA. NOTHING WITHIN THE COUNTY. ALTHOUGH AGAIN, YOUR NEED STUDY DOES INDICATE SOME OF THOSE COUNTY AREAS ARE ALSO BLIGHTED. IT'D BE NICE TO ALL WORK TOGETHER ON THIS ONE. WHAT'S THE VISION FOR THE CRA? I THINK THIS IS THE BEST PART. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU LOOK AT 1792 NOW. I'VE GONE UP AND DOWN. IT IS A PLACE IN NEED OF A SOLUTION. VISION IS TO CREATE A MIXED DOWNTOWN CORE. AGAIN, I HATE GOING BACK TO THIS. I JUST, SINCE I LIVE THERE IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO ME. WHEN I CAME HERE AND YOU SAW WHAT FLAGLER AVENUE WAS LIKE. DETERIORATE, EVERYTHING ELSE. THE STORES WERE GOING OUT. SOME OF THEM WERE TRYING TO HANG ON. THE AREAS AROUND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AROUND IT WERE GOING DOWN IN VALUE. IT WAS BECOMING BAD. DOWNTOWN CORE. THAT PLACE IS NOW PACKED. BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE. THE HOTEL THAT WAS PLACED IN THERE. CRA. THE LANDSCAPING THAT THE STREETSCAPES, EVERYTHING THERE. CRA. THE RESTAURANT, THE NEW RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE COME IN IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS ALONE HAVE SHOWN THIS AS A TOURIST MECCA. THAT'S WHAT WE HAD HOPED FOR EVENTUALLY. WE HAVE A RESTAURANT THAT CAN'T EVEN EXPAND AT THIS POINT OR HAVE ANY OF THE USE BECAUSE IT'S -- THERE'S NO -- YOU CAN'T EXPAND USING A SEPTIC SYSTEM. YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEWERS. ANOTHER GOAL, CREATE A SAFE AND SUSTAINABLE YOU SEE HOW THE SIDEWALKS ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD. YOU SEE HOW THERE'S NO CROSSWALKS. YOU SEE HOW THE PROBLEM IS. YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. YOU'LL SEE IN A LITTLE WHILE WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT. THE OTHER THING OF COURSE IS TO ENCOURAGE AND INCENTIVIZE INVESTMENT. NOT JUST INVESTMENT FROM THE OUTSIDE. YOU CAN IMAGINE IF YOU HAVE SEWERS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE TO INVEST IN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE. I'M TALKING ABOUT ALSO INVESTMENT AMONG THE CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS THAT OWN THE PROPERTY NOW. NO REASON TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY. NOTHING IS HAPPENING THERE. JUST GOING DOWN IN VALUE. WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON IT. BULLPEN THE CRA GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY. INCENTIVIZES THEM TO DO THINGS. YOU CAN DO PAINT. I MEAN THERE'S ALL KIND OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IF YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT A CRA DOES. THAT'S WHAT A CRA HAS DONE IN ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES HAVE HAD THEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NOT THAT MANY IN WEST VOLUSIA. I THINK THIS WILL BE THE SECOND ONE PROBABLY IN WEST VOLUSIA. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY. WE NEED TO SHOW HOW THESE CAN BE DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. HELP MAINTAIN AND CREATE AN AFFORDABLE AND ATTRACTIVE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH WALKABLE ACCESS TO RETAIL. THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THERE. THIS WOULD HELP TREMENDOUSLY. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL. IF YOU'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENED, WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL CORE THAT'S NICE AND SAFETY AND ATTRACTIVE IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO WANT TO UPGRADE THEIR RESIDENTIAL AREAS AROUND IT AS WELL. PEOPLE LOVE LIVING WHERE THEY CAN WALK TO SOMETHING HAPPENING. RESTAURANTS, SHOPS, ET CETERA. WE TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. PUBLIC SPACE. RECREATION FACILITIES. PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO ME. I HEARD WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME REGARDING THE DIRT ROADS. -- THIN THE ONLY OPTION FOR MOST FOLKS INVESTMENT WILL BE TO OPT TO INVEST FURTHER OUT IN THE OUTSKIRTS TO CREATE SPRAWL. REDEVELOPMENT IN URBAN CORES IS SMART. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LOOKED AT ALSO IS WE ARE PRIORITIZING THESE REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS. FOR INSTANCE, LIKE I SAID, THE SAFETY OF THE SIDEWALK SYSTEMS. THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. WHEN YOUR DOING THE SIDEWALKS. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU -- WHILE YOU'RE RIPPING UP THE SIDEWALKS YOU CAN THEN PUT YOUR SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AND POTENTIALLY YOUR STORM INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AT THE SAME TIME. YOU GET ONE SHOT TO MAKE THIS WHOLE THING WORK. THAT'S IMPORTANT. I SAW THIS EDITORIAL. MAKE OUR STREETS SAFER FOR STUDENTS. THIS IS AN AREA THAT HAS TO HAVE SAFE PEDESTRIAN AREAS. FOR TWO YEARS RUNNING, THIS IS A QUOTE. 26 COUNTY SCHOOL CHILDREN WERE HIT BY MOTOR VEHICLES. ONE SCHOOL CHILD HIT BETWEEN HOME AND SCHOOL IS UNACCEPTABLE. 26 IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. AND LIKE I SAY, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, FOUR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THIS TOO. NUMBER OF STUDENTS HIT BY CARS DROPS BY HALF. THAT'S A GREAT THING. WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS. THE SCHOOL BOARD, EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS. THE IMPROVEMENT CAME AS A RESULT OF INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES INCLUDING NEW SIDEWALKS AND STREET LIGHTS. AT LEAST ONE CASE A NEW TRAFFIC PATTERN. THAT'S THE SORT OF THING WE CAN DO BY WORKING TOGETHER. SAFETY AND MOBILITY. THAT WOULD BE SIDEWALK EXPANSION. PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS. WE'RE SEEING AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THESE THINGS RIGHT HERE. AGAIN, SAME THING THERE. IT KEEPS THE KIDS, IT KEEPS THE PEDESTRIANS AWAY FROM THE STREET ITSELF BY MOVING THE SIDEWALK AND MOVING IT WHERE IT BELONGS. PROVIDING CLEAR INDICATIONS AS TO EXACTLY WHERE PEOPLE ARE CROSSING, HOW WE'RE CROSSING, THE SIGNALS, ET CETERA. IT ALSO AGAIN ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO BE PEDESTRIANS AND BE IN A SAFE AND RESPONSIBILITY MANNER. LOOK AT THIS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. AS YOU CAN SEE, AND IT WASN'T THAT MUCH MONEY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. BUT IT CHANGES EVERYTHING TREMENDOUSLY AS FAR AS HOW PEOPLE SEE THIS AS A TRAFFIC FLOW. IT'S SIMPLY A HEART OF ENCOURAGING PEOPLE. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE. 1792 IS A MAJOR STATE HIGHWAY PUTTING MEDIANS IN THERE WILL ALSO HELP US IN IN ADDITION TO TRYING TO CREATE TRAFFIC PATTERNS THAT WILL GIVE PEDESTRIANS A BETTER CHANCE. I LOVE THIS RIGHT HERE. YOU KNOW, HERE'S A MEDIAN. HERE'S A -- HERE'S AN OUTLINED PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK. AGAIN, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES. IT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD. IT LOOKS BETTER. YES, IT DOES. I'VE HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, OH, YOU'RE JUST MAKING THIS PRETTIER. YES, WE ARE MAKING IT PRETTIER. WE'RE INCREASING THE VALUE OF THE AREA. WE'RE INCREASING THE TERMS FOR INVESTMENT. AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS A FAR SAFER ARRANGEMENT FOR PEOPLE TO USE FROM THE PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MULTITRAIL SYSTEM.

TRAILS, AGAIN, TO INCREASES SAFETY FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT USING AUTOMOBILES. SOMETHING WE ARE WORKING ON. SOME WATER, LIKE I SAY. THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THIS IS A CITY THAT WAS BUILT IN 1882. THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS -- THIS MENT SOMEONE HAS TO ADMINISTER THESE.

YOU WANT TO DO A MORE THAN AN ANNUAL BASIS. FINE BY US. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH AUDITS. AGAIN, WE WANT TO CONTINUE ON AS A PARTNER. I THINK IT'S, FIRST OF ALL, IMPORTANT TO STATE A COUPLE

THINGS. AS TO WHETHER THE COUNTY WILL DELEGATE THE CRA TO YOU. WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL PROJECTS ARE, WHAT THE ORDER OF THE PRIORITY. AFTER THE CRA IS CREATED. WE'LL DO ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE AS FAR AS THAT BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN OVERSIGHT. IT NEEDS TO BE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THESE FOLKS HAVE SPENT SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT. THIS IS NOT A RICH CITY. I CAN MAKE MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEY PAY ME, BUT THAT'S NOT FAIR. IT'S NOT FAIR THAT WE'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS EFFORT AND JUMP THROUGH THESE HOOPS. WHAT'S FAIR IS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT THIS VERY MINIMAL COUNTY CONTRIBUTION WILL BE ALLOWED AND ALLOW US TO DELEGATE THAT CRA AUTHORITY AND ALLOW US TO PROCEED. THAT'S WHAT'S FAIR.WE'VE MADE CERTAIN TO MEET EVERY CRITERIA OF THAT 2010 ORDINANCE AND THAT IS A COMMITMENT AS WELL. WE CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THIS WOULD BE BAD FOR ANYBODY. IT WILL BE GOOD FOR THE SCHOOL KIDS. IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY, THE COUNTY WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO YOU IN 20 YEARS AS A RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT. WE SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. WE HAVE A TON OF INFORMATION, DON'T WE? [ LAUGHTER ]

IT'S WORKING. ALL RIGHT, COOL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WHAT I'M GOING TO NEED IS THIS FRONT ROW CLEARED OUT.

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ONE QUESTION?

I'M MISSING A SLIDE, APPARENTLY.

WELL, NOW, THAT JUST CHANGES THE WHOLE THING.

NOW WE'RE THERE. MISS DENYS.

THEREFORE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION OF DELEGATION AUTHORITY.

JUST ONE QUESTION. MR. STORCH, IS THIS AN ISSUE IN ORANGE CITY WITH LOT SIZES TO BE DEVELOPED, WILL THIS HELP COMBINE LOT SIZES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR DOES THIS PLAY?

RIGHT NOW THE LOTS CANNOT BE COMBINED BECAUSE EVERYONE IS ON THE SUBSTANDARD TACKS. AND SO THERE'S NO MECHANISM TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S RIGHT THERE. ONCE YOU HAVE A SEWER SYSTEM IN PLACE, THOSE LOTS COULD BE COMBINED AND YOU COULD DO SOMETHING.

DOES IT GIVE YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL?

TREMENDOUS FLEXIBILITY.

THANK YOU.

YOU SAW THE SAME THING HAPPEN WHERE THEY AGGREGATED SMALLER PARCELS. THAT WAS A THING THAT ALLOWED FOR THE HOTEL.

OKAY. LADIES. UNLESS YOU FILLED ONE OF THESE OUT, I'M GOING TO NEED YOU TO MOVE SO WE CAN FILL THE FRONT ROW HERE. MR. JERRY MAYS, YOU WILL BE FIRST PERSON UP. JOAN LEFLEUR. IF YOU'LL PLEASE TAKE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW. GLENN, YOU'RE DONE. YOU GET OUT OF THERE. YOU GO OVER THERE. TRYING TO FILL UP THE FRONT ROW SO WE CAN MOVE THIS RIGHT ALONG. SIR, YOU'LL BE UP FIRST UP ON THE MIC. GARY BLAIR, IF YOU'LL COME FRONT, CENTER, TAKE A SEAT. COME ON DOWN, MR. MAYOR. HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW. RICH GAYLY. HURRY UP. COME ON, COME ON. BILL CRIPPIN. HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW. MICHELLE MISSY CHAVEZ. COME ON DOWN, MISS CHAVEZ. MICHAEL G. WRIGHT. ARE WE GOING TO RUN OUT OF YELLOW PAPER TODAY? YOU HAVE PLENTY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE, HOW ARE WE DOING? WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE SEATS. HENRY DURICA. WHY DON'T YOU SIT RIGHT THERE. YOU COULD HAVE STAYED RIGHT THERE. I CAN GET TWO MORE PEOPLE IT UP FRONT THEN. DAVID. SIMON. AND I GUESS THIS IS YOUR WIFE. LEONA?

LINDA.

OH, LINDA. COME ON DOWN FRONT. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS ROUND ONE. WE HAVE ROUND TWO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY. BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR, WHEN EVERYONE COMES UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. OF COURSE WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY ELSE, SO IF YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE, PLEASE AT THIS TIME TURN IT OFF. AN iPAD, SO IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY NOISE. WE WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY OUR UTMOST ATTENTION. EVERYONE, PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR COUNTY COUNCIL, OUR CITIZENS AS WELL AS OUR COUNTY STAFF. WITH THAT, SIR. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MY NAME IS JERRY MAIZE. 925 DAN CONTRIBUTORY NEGLIGENCE DRIVE. I AM A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF DAYTONA AND VOLUSIA COUNTY. I AM HERE TODAY TO PRESENT A LETTER OF SUPPORT DATED THIS DATE JUNE 19, 2014. DEAR VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL, MIGHT I READ. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF DELTONA I'M PLEASED TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR A COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA, CRA FROM VOLUSIA COUNTY. REDEVELOPMENT INVESTMENT GENERATES ECONOMIC RECOVERY. THIS APPLICATION BEGINS THE PROCESS WHERE IN ORANGE CITY MIGHT OVERCOME THE BLIGHT DESCRIBED IN THE APPLICATION AND GAIN INCREASED EMPLOYMENT, VEHICULAR ACCESS, SLEEK LAYAWAY AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND ENHANCED QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE OTHER BENEFITS INHERIT TO A REDEVELOPMENT AREA. PLEASE SUPPORT ORANGE CITY'S COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA APPLICATION TO ENHANCE AND RELIEVE THE ISSUES DETAILED IN THE ORANGE CITY COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA APPLICATION. SINCERELY SIGNED THE HONORABLE JOHN C.MASARJIC SR., MAYOR DELTONA. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IS IN THE RECORD. GENE LEFLEUR. HI, JEAN GENE. NAME AND ADDRESS.

I'M JOAN.

IT LOOKS LIKE J-E-A-N. I'M SORRY.

28 AZALEA DRIVE, ORANGE CITY. I HAVE LOVED ORANGE CITY FROM THE MOMENT I WAS BORN. MY GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT PROPERTY THERE IN 1935 AND SO I HAVE BEEN COMING TO ORANGE CITY FOR A LONG TIME. I BOUGHT A PROPERTY FROM MY MOTHER IN 1980 AND MY HUSBAND AND I RETIRED, WE WENT THERE TO LIVE. I'VE BEEN A VOTER OF ORANGE CITY AND VOLUSIA COUNTY FOR THOSE 20 YEARS. I'VE SEEN OUR CORE SLIPPING AND IT BOTHERS ME. EMPTY BUSINESSES. HOUSES. NO

SEWERS. DANGEROUS STREETS. WE CARE. WE NEED YOUR HELP TO BRING BACK THE VITALITY OF THIS COMMUNITY. I'M A HISTORIAN. I'M THE EDITOR OF THE ORANGE CITY HISTORY BOOK. WE HAVE A RICH HISTORY. PLEASE, PLEASE HELP US MAINTAIN. THOUSANDS COME TO ORANGE CITY TO BLUE SPRING. AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, HUNDREDS VISIT JOHN KNOXVILLE LARGE CONTINUING CARE COMMUNITY. THESE ARE ALL POTENTIAL RESIDENTS AND FUTURE TAX PAPERS FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY. PARTICULARLY OUR REPRESENTATIVE WHO POINTED OUT EARLIER THE NEED TO BE FAIR TO WEST VOLUSIA. I BESEECH YOU, PLEASE TO VOTE FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS DELEGATION. AND STOP PUTTING THIS OFF. IT WOULD BE NICE TO VOTE TODAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. MR. GARY BLAIR. MA'AM, IF YOU -- ONCE WE GET DONE WITH THIS ROUND I'M GOING TO FILL UP THAT LINE AGAIN. ONCE YOU'RE DONE, GO AHEAD AND SIT BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM.

GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS GARY BLAIR. I LIVE AT 233 EAST ROSE AVENUE IN ORANGE CITY. I'VE LIVED IN ORANGE CITY SINCE THE MID90s. I BOUGHT A HOUSE DOWN THERE THAT WAS ON THE VERGE OF BEING CONDEMNED. I'VE RESTORED. I'VE RESTORED SEVERAL OLD HOMES IN ORANGE CITY. I GET FRUSTRATED AT TIMES BECAUSE I SEE A FEW PROPERTIES IN PLACES GETTING RESTORED AND REDONE. BUT THERE'S NO INCENTIVE FOR THE BUSINESSES TO COME IN, THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISN'T THERE. IT'S LIKE WE'RE BEATING OUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL. MR. STORCH HIT ALL OF THE POINT WES NEED TO. I HOPE I CAN GET THROUGH THIS. ONE THAT IS VERY DEAR TO ME, AND MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT I'M A SCHOOLTEACHER AND I SPOKE WITH MOST OF YOU. WE'VE LOST FOUR PEOPLE ON THAT HIGHWAY. TWO OF THOSE WERE STUDENTS. ONE OF THEM WAS A STUDENT THAT I HAD THAT HAD RECENTLY TRANSFERRED TO RIVER SPRINGS. THEY'RE DEAD. THEY'RE GONE. WE NEED THE TOOLS. WE NEED THESE TOOLS. WE NEED YOU PEOPLE TO HELP US GIVE US THESE TOOLS SO WE CAN IMPROVE OUR SAFETY DOWN THERE. WE NEED PEDESTRIAN BUMP OUTS. WE NEED PEOPLE TO BE INVOLVED TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY SO WE CAN DO THESE THINGS AND SAVE LIVES. AND MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A WALKABLE, SAFE COMMUNITY. YOU'VE ALL DRIVEN THROUGH THERE, I'M SURE. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE DANGEROUS SITUATION THAT'S DOWN THERE. SO PLEASE, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS NOW. WHAT WE BELIEVE WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO. WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY. WE'RE NOT A RICH TOWN. WE'VE SPENT AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY. WE WANT TO SEE SOME RESULTS. WE WANT YOUR COOPERATION. WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU. I'VE BEEN ON THE CITY COUNCIL OF ORANGE CITY FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. I TOOK A HIATUS FOR A WHILE AND I'M BACK NOW. I'VE TALKED TO PRETTY MUCH ALL OF YOU ABOUT THIS. THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A RIFT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. AND IT'S LIKE A STRUGGLE. IT'S US AND THEM. SIMILAR TO WHAT I SEE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND TEACHERS. US AND THEM. I'M TIRED OF THAT MENTALITY. I WANT IT TO BE US. I WANT ALL OF US TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE WHERE WE LIVE A BETTER PLACE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR. MAYOR TOM.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I AM MAYOR OF ORANGE CITY. I LIVE AT 190 WATERSIDE OAKS DRIVE IN ORANGE CITY. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU TODAY. I'LL TAKE UP ON THE SAME NOTE THAT MR. BLAIR WAS TALKING ABOUT. I'M IN THIS COUNTY BY CHOICE. I DIDN'T JUST LAND HERE AND GET STUCK HERE. I'M HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO BE. THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO BE. THIS MORNING'S FRONT PAGE OF THE NEWSPAPER HAD PICTURES OF STEEL BEING ERECTED OVER AT THE RACETRACK. MAJOR, MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES TAKING PLACE THERE THAT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO EXCEED EXPECTATION ON. PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO THIS COUNTY. THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO BE. IT'S VERY UNIQUE, AS YOU ALL KNOW. THERE'S A GUY THAT JUST PADDLED A KAYAK FROM POUR DUE GAL. HE JUST DIDN'T COME TO THIS CONTINENT. HE CAME TO VOLUSIA COUNTY. THAT'S SOMETHING. WE CAN LAUGH AT IT, BUT IT ACTUALLY REALLY DID IN FACT HAPPEN. YOU WERE THERE. SY WENT TO A RIBBON CUTTING YESTERDAY AT THE DIRKSON OVERPASS, WHICH WAS A TRAILS SLOT THAT GOT FULFILLED. GREAT, GREAT PROGRAM. DURING 245 TIME IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH ECO TRAVEL, TOURISM. PEOPLE COMING ON THE TRAIN. THAT'S A PORTAL. THEY'RE COMING ON TO THE WEST SIDE. THERE'LL BE MARKETING DONE. I GUARANTEE IT'S TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE COMING INTO THE COUNTY IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. SO BEING PREPARED, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, PUTTING OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD. LOOK AND BE THE BEST WE CAN. WE'LL GROW AND HAVE A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT. WE STARTED THIS PROJECT TWO YEARS AGO. IT'S LINGERING. I'M HERE TODAY JUST URGING THAT TO TAKE PLACE. URGING THE -- THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE PLACE. AND A VOTE FOR IT. I THINK THAT WE AS, AS COUNTY PEOPLE, I MEAN WE'RE ALL WEARING THE SAME JERSEY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. RICH GAYLY.

341 MAGNOLIA PLACE. ALSO A CANDIDATE TO SERVE ON THIS COUNCIL.

CAN'T --

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

NO CAMPAIGNING.

ALL RIGHT. I MAY SOUND A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU HEAR SPEAKING. PHILOSOPHICALLY I'M AGAINST CRAs. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THERE'S OTHER TOOLS. HOWEVER I'VE LIVED IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND THE COUNTY, THERE'S IT 15 CRAs. WE HAVE CITIES THAT HAVE FIVE CRAs. SOUTHWEST VOLUSIA THERE'S ZERO CRAs. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE COOL OF CHOICE THAT VOLUSIA COUNTY IS USING. WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY IN OUR PART OF THE COUNTY. SO THAT'S -- JUST WANT TO KEEP IT SHORT AND BRIEF. UP IN IN OUR PART OF THE -- NONE IN OUR PART OF THE COUNTY. IN VOLUSIA COUNTY, THERE'S 15 JUST. JUST IN SOUTHWEST, THERE'S ZERO. SHORT, SWEET, OBVIOUS.

THAT IT? OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. BILL COUNTRIEN.

325 NORTH VOLUSIA AVENUE, ORANGE CITY. I'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE AS WE'VE BEEN GOING DOWN THIS ROAD. I'M A NATIVE. I REMEMBER WHEN THE DOWNTOWN ORANGE CITY AREA THAT IS NOT BLIGHTED WAS VERY VITAL. A VERY VITAL AREA. IT WAS FULL OF SPUNK AND PEP. THERE WAS A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN WALKING BECAUSE THE STORES WERE RIGHT THERE. YOU HAD PLACES TO PARK YOUR CAR. 1972, THAT WENT AWAY. WE NOW HAVE A MASSIVE HIGHWAY GOING DOWN THERE. THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK YOUR CARS NOW. EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR ORANGE CITY THAT THE CRA WILL ENABLE US TO DO. YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THAT DOWNTOWN AREA BECAUSE OF THE CRITICAL SHORTAGE OF STORM WATER AND SEWER. AND THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME. AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THAT IS WITH HELP FROM THE CRA. I'M PROUD TO LIVE RIGHT ON THE HIGHWAY THERE. 325 NORTH VOLUSIA. WE'VE DONE AS MUCH AS MY WIFE AND I CAN DO TO BEAUTIFY THAT AREA, TO MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE. AT 40 MILES AN HOUR, PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH AND GOING WELL, LOOK AT THIS. GOING ON THEIR MERRY WAY. BLUE SPRINGS IS AN INTERNATIONAL DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE. IT'S KNOWN ALL OVER THE WORLD. PEOPLE COME ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE FRIENDS FROM GREAT BRITAIN THAT HAVE COME. THEY WANT TO COME. WE WANT THEM TO WANT TO COME TO ORANGE CITY. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO GO, THERE'S NOTHING TO DO HERE ON THIS MAIN DRAG. LET'S JUST GO HOME. WE WANT TO MAKE OUR DOWNTOWN CRA PROPOSED REAR A VITAL AREA, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. SAFE. YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT OUR KIDS THAT GOT CLIPPED. WE NEED TO HAVE THIS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS. WE HAVE A GREAT PLAN. IT MEETS ALL OF YOUR CRITERIA. WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AS MUCH AS WE CAN. SO THAT WE AS PARTNERS WITH THE COUNTY CAN HAVE THIS CRA MOVE FORWARD. PROBABLY AT THE -- 20 YEARS I WON'T BE ON THE CITY COUNCIL ANY MORE. BUT I HOPE TO BE STILL SITTING THERE ON MY FRONT PORCH AND SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED THAT THE CRA HAS BEEN ABLE TO PRODUCE. AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE A DECISION TODAY. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WE KEEP TELLING THEM COME AND HELP SUPPORT US, AND THEY COME AND THE DECISION DOESN'T GET MADE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. I WISH YOU WOULD GRANT US THE DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY TODAY.

MICHELLE, MISSY CHAVEZ.

HELLO. 1065 CAR ROAD. DELAND, FLORIDA. GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM THE INCOMING PRESIDENT FOR THE DELAND AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND ALSO THE VICE CHAIR FOR THE ORANGE CITY BUSINESS ALLIANCE. OUR ALLIANCE CHAIRMAN WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TODAY, SO I WILL BE SPEAKING IN HIS BEHALF. I FEEL ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DUTIES OF THE ALLIANCE TO SUPPORT OUR BUSINESS RETENTION EFFORT BECAUSE I GET TO HEAR FIRSTHAND THE CHALLENGES OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND WHAT THEY FACE AND OUR CORE MISSION FOR THE CORE CITY ALLIANCE IS HELPING OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES GROW. WE DO THIS THROUGH ONLINE AND IN PERSON SURVEYS AND VISITS. THE QUESTIONS RANGE FROM WHAT ARE THE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES OF YOUR CITY, WHICH IS ORANGE CITY SO FAR HAS RECEIVED HIGH MARKS IN ALLOWING US, ASKING OUR BUSINESSES TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IMPROVED IN THEIR COMMUNITY. FROM THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2014, SURVEY REPORTS, THESE ARE JUST A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE SHARED WITH US DURING OUR VISITS. GENERAL MANAGER OF A RETAIL CHAIN SAID, DRIVERS ARE TOO BUSY TRYING TO STAY UP WITH THE TRAFFIC, SO THEY HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO TURN INTO MY BUSINESS. AN INDEPENDENT RESTAURANT OPERATOR SAID, "THE LACK OF NOT HAVING TO FIND DOWNTOWN HURTS MY POTENTIAL FOR WALK IN CUSTOMERS." A MEDICAL OFFICE REPRESENTATIVE SAID, "WOULD IT KILL SOMEONE TO SPRUCE UP THE GATEWAY A BIT?" AN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR BUSINESS SAID, "ORANGE CITY IS A GREAT CITY. THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SLOW SOME OF THE TRAFFIC DOWN AROUND OUR CITY CENTER AND GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS AND WALKING AROUND A BIT." I'VE HEARD A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT THE VALUE OF HAVING AN ATTRACTIVE GATEWAY FOR THE CITY AND ON THE PRACTICAL SIDE I HAVE HAD -- AND HAVING TO SPEND THE MONEY ON IT AND THE UPKEEP. JUST FROM A SIMPLE VANTAGE POINT TO DO SOME OF THESE VISITS TO THE SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES OF ORANGE CITY AND THEIR CLEAR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HOW THE CITY TREATS ITS BUSINESS AND HOW IT PRESENTS ITSELF VISUALLY IS OVERALL SUCCESSFUL. THIS REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT IS AN ESSENTIAL CATALYST TO SPUR GROWTH NOT ONLY ALONG 1792, BUT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE 472 GATEWAY, THE INTERCHANGE CONNECTION WITH US AND DELAND, INTERSTATE H AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES OF DELTONA. ON BEHALF OF THE CHAMBER TO ENCOURAGE THIS ACTION BEFORE YOU. THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS STANDING READY TO ASSIST BOTH THE CITY AND COUNTY TO ENSURE RESPONSIBLE AND TRANSPARENCY FOR THE PROCESS IN ESTABLISHING THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR OVERALL ECONOMIC CONDITIONS FOR THE ENTIRE REGION. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. MR. MICHAEL G. WRIGHT. MR. WRIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

AFTERNOON, SIR.

NAME, ADDRESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MICHAEL WRIGHT. CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. ORANGE CITY, FLORIDA. 101 GRAND PLAZA DRIVE. ORANGE CITY, FLORIDA. AND I'M GLAD TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TALK TO YOU. WHAT I SEE IN FRONT OF ME ARE PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT SUCCESS IS AND HAVE ENJOYED IT. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE CRA IS A WAY FOR US TO ACHIEVE SOME TREMENDOUS SUCCESS. FIVE Ms HERE. MARKET. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BLUE SPRINGS PARKWAY. I APPRECIATE MR. PATTERSON'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING AND SUCH. I SENT YOU ALL A POINT PAPER THAT OUTLINES MY VISION. [CAPTIONER TRANSITION]

CONGRESSMAN MICA SAID YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE THEM DRINK. I'M NOT USING IT THE WAY YOU THINK. IN ORANGE CITY WE HAVE THIRSTY HORSES. IF YOU LEAD US TO WATER, WE WILL DRINK.

THANK YOU, SIR. HENRY DIRKA. SEE HENRY, I TOLD YOU YOU'D GET THERE. NAME

ANDED A TRESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MY WIFE AND I BUILT LAND IN ORANGE CITY AND BUILT A HOME THERE. WE DO NOT WANT ACA. WE KNOW 472 SOUTH ON 1792 THERE ARE 58 FOR RENT, FOR LEASE OR FOR SALE SIGNS. WE KNOW THERE IS AN ABANDONED EYESORE GAS STATION THAT'S THE CORRIDOR TO BLUE SPRING STATE PARK. WE KNOW JUNE 2013 TO JUNE 2004 THERE HAVE BEEN 05 FORECLOSED PROPERTIES WITH ORANGE CITY ADDRESS. WE KNOW ALL THIS AND WE STILL DO NOT WANT A CRA. YOU KNOW WHY WE DON'T WANT A CRA? BECAUSE WE NEED A CRA AND WE NEED IT NOW. THERE IS A FRESH STUDENT LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AT THAT CORRIDOR. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING. IT IS YOUR WOULD HAVE, COULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE MOMENT. DO THE RIGHT THING GRANT A CRA FOR STUDENTS RIDING THAT BUS. DO THE RIGHT THING FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY BY ENHANCING IT ON THE WEST SIDE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. DAVID SEMAN. YOUR TURN. MRS.SEMAN YOU'LL BE AFTER HIM. THEN WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. WE HAVE ANOTHER PILE, UNLESS YOU WANT TO TORRENTIAL THROUGH.

KEEP GOING.

ROCK ON.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY NAME IS DAVID SEEMAN. I LIVE IN ORANGE CITY. I'M RETIRED AFTER 23 YEARS.

I NEED YOU TO STEP CLOSER TO THE MIKE.

I LIVE IN ORANGE CITY. I'M RETIRED. AFTER 23 YEARS SERVING WITH ORANGE COUNTY GOVERNMENT I'M FEMME WITH CRA'S. -- FAMILIAR WITH CRA'S. SECOND I WANTED TO SAY. THERE IS TWO ORANGE CITIES COUNCIL MAN RIGHT ELUDED TO IT. YOU HAVE THE SAXON

AREA WHERE YOU HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SANITARY SEWER. ORANGE CITY IS POSED. TWO EXPANDS WELL WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. CRA, I KNOW IT IS NOT THE TOTAL ANSWER TO THE WHOLE SITUATION. BUT AS MY NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET HAPPILY PUT IT, WITHOUT -- HOW DO I WANT TO PUT IT? GETTING A START AND HAVING A CHANCE DO THIS, THEN IT WILL JUST CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE. BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT. THE BOTTOM LINE THE STATE IS NOT GOING TO LET ANYBODY COME IN THERE AND COMBINE PROPERTIES OR DO ANYTHING WHEN ALL YOU HAVE A SEPTIC. YOU CANNOT START TO TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE UNTIL YOU CAN GET BUSINESS IN THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SANITARY AND WATER SERVICE FOR THINGS FROM SPRINKLERS -- I WOULD HOPE EVERYBODY SITTING HERE. MR. ROBERTSON,

OUR DISTRICT AND MR. DAVIS, BOTH OF YOU, WE VOTED FOR YOU. I'M HOPING SOME OF YOU INDIVIDUALS HERE WILL SAY LET'S GIVE IT A CHANCE AND GIVE IT A SHOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME.

ALL RIGHT. MISS LINDA. NAME AND ADDRESS.

LINDA SEAMAN. I LIVE AT 956 EAST LANDS DOWN AVENUE. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE CRA FOR MANY REASONS ALREADY CITED. WE HAVE SO MUCH BLIGHT THERE IT IS AN EMBARRASSMENT. WE NEED A TAX BASE. IN ORDER TO GET THAT WE NEED PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE THERE AND BRING THEIR BUSINESSES IN. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THE WAY IT IS EXISTING NOW. YOU HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT OBSERVE THIS. WE HAVE A CHRISTMAS PARADE EVERY YEAR. THEY LINE UP ON EAST FRENCH AVENUE BY THE MOST DELAP DATED GAS STATION THAT YOU COULD YOU COULD EVER SEE. I HATE THE THOUGHT THAT THESE CHILDREN WILL FIND THAT AS ACCEPTABLE OR SEE IT AS THE NORM. FOR 20 YEARS I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF WINTER PARK. TWO VERY DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. ABSOLUTELY. BUT IN THE 90s, THEY GOT BUSY WITH THE CRA. THEY JOINED PARTNERS WITH ORANGE COUNTY. THEY HAD BLIGHTED AREAS. AREAS WITH OLD BARS WHERE THE POLICE WERE CALLED FOR FIGHTS. PEOPLE SELLING DRUGS ON CORNERS. DELAPIDATED RESIDENTIAL UNITS. YOU NAME IT. THEY GOT IN THE CRA. IT WAS TRANSFORMED. YOU GO THERE TODAY, THERE ARE BOUTIQUE AND RESTAURANTS. CRA CAN DO WONDERS. ORANGE CITY NEEDS SOME WONDERS. THANK YOU.

OKAY. HERE WE GO. ROUND TWO TO FILL UP THE FRONT ROW. TAVER CORONET WILL BE THE FIRST SPEAKER. MARTIN DANAHER. JAMIE

CAWKINS. HAVE A SEAT IN

THE FRONT ROW. BOB GARCIA

MR. MAYOR. HEIDI HURTZBURG AND JOE YABOROUGH. IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK THAT HAS NOT ALREADY SPOKEN, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND FILL OUT ONE OF THESE YELLOW FORMS. GET IT TO MISS MARCY. WHEN WE ARE DONE WITH THIS ROUND WE'LL BE DONE

WITH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION. NAME AND ADDRESS.

TAVER CORONET 2613 BRANCH WATER

BEND, DELAND, FLORIDA. I'M HERE REPRESENTING JOHN KNOXVILLAGE. IT IS ONE OF OUR CITY'S LARGEST EMPLOYERS BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES, I AM REPRESENTING OVER 1200 PEOPLE. I CAN BRING 20% OF THEM HERE AND PUT THEM IN T-SHIRTS AND THERE WOULD BE STANDING ROOM-ONLY. I WON'T DO THAT TO YOU ALL. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE CRA. ORANGE CITY HAS PRESENTED A CASE DEMONSTRATING THE NEED FOR THAT KIND OF AN OPERATION. JOHN KNOX SUPPORTS THAT. WE ARE IN A MARKETING PROGRAM FOR OUR COMMUNITY. IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR JOHN KNOXVILLE VILLAGE TO SEE THE FRUITS OF THE EFFORTS. IN A PREVIOUS LIFE I WORKED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND COUNTY OF DELAND IN THEIR CRA, WHICH STARTED IN 1985. AT THAT POINT, THE OCCUPANCY RATE IN DOWNTOWN DELAND WAS 50%. TODAY IT EXCEEDS 90%. THIS IS A SUCCESS STORY ANYBODY CAN IDENTIFY WITH. IT SHOWS WHAT RESPONSIBLE ADMINISTRATION AND MANAGEMENT OF A CRA CAN ACCOMPLISH OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS. THIS IS AN INCREMENTAL TIME OF PROGRAM. MR. STORAGE POINTED OUT THE FINANCES OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS, I WAS GOING TO EXPAND BUT I WON'T. TRULY IT WILL ALLOW THIS INCREMENTAL STYLE OF FUNDING TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR ORANGE CITY TO MAKE GIANT STEPS FORWARD. I THINK THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. YOU HAVE LOOKED AT THESE DOCUMENTS. THEY HAVE BEEN REWORKED. THEY HAVE BEEN PUT THROUGH A SERIOUS REVIEW. I WOULD URGE THAT YOU WOULD VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TODAY TO MOVE THIS CRA FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS?

NO, SIR, NOT YET.

MR. MAYOR IF YOU'LL JOIN US UP FRONT IN THE FRONT ROW. THE NEXT PERSON SPEAKING IS MARTIN DANHER.

GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MARTIN DANHER. 115 LAGOON COURT NEW SMYRNA BEACH. I'M PART OF CITIZENS FOR SMART GROWTH. WE STRONGLY SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF CRA. CRA WORK. THEY WORK FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. THEY ENHANCE THE AREA. SECONDLY THEY IMPROVE THE LIFESTYLE FOR CITIZENS. THIRD LI THEY ARE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER. MOST IMPORTANTLY, CONSIDERING YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE CITIZENS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY, IS THAT THEY HAVE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. THAT RETURN OF INVESTMENT IS THERE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. THANK YOU.

JAMIE CALLKIN.

900 MAGNOLIA STREET NEW SMYRNA.

I REPRESENT SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WE CELEBRATE NEW SMYRNA BEACH AND OAK HILL. I HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU. WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT ORANGE CITY. WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU DELEGATE THE POWER OF AUTHORITY FOR ORANGE CITY TO CREATE A CRA. WE CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH THE IMPORTANCE OF A COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. DECADES AGO OUR CHAMBER WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE FORMATION OF A CRA FOR THE CITY OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH AND CREATED A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING SUCH. IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CRA DISTRICT HAVE BEEN A GREAT SUCCESS IN TAKING TWO BLEMISHED AND BLIGHTED DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AREAS THUS CREATING TWO THRIVING BUSINESS DISTRICTS 90% OCCUPIED EACH WITH THEIR OWN IDENTITY AND SYNERGY. THEY BENEFIT THE ENTIRE COUNTY AS LONG TERM INVESTMENT IN COMMUNITIES THAT RESULT IN TAX REVENUES AND RETENTION FOR A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE. WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT CRA AS THEY ARE THE ONLY ECONOMIC TOOL MUNICIPALITIES HAVE IN BLIGHTED AREAS. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO EMBRACE AND PARTNER TO THE CITIZEN OF VOLUSIA COUNTY, INVESTORS OF PROGRESS AND TOURISM. AGAIN, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO VOTE YES TO DELEGATE THE POWER OF AUTHORITY TO ORANGE CITY TO CREATE A COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

MAYOR BOB GARCIA.

NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR BOB GARCIA 101 SUNRISE BOULEVARD. I SUPPORT THE CRA. I HAVE TRAVELED THROUGH VOLUSIA COUNTY AND SEEN WHO CRA ARE DOING IN NEW SMYRNA AND DAYTONA BEACH. IT IS BRINGING BACK THE COMMUNITY INTO ONE. IT IS BRINGING BACK A SENSE OF VALUE TO THE PEOPLE THERE AND ADDRESSING A BASIC NEED. TO ME, AS A MAYOR, IN SOUTHWESTS HAVE VOLUSIA, I BELIEVE THE CRA WILL BENEFIT THE WEST SIDE AND EAST SIDE. FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CITY. WE TALKED ABOUT A MEETING COMING UP ABOUT THE WATER ISSUE HERE. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE HAVE ADDRESSING NOW IS THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND HOW THEY MAY BE LEAKING INTO WATER SUPPLIES. WHAT A GOOD PLACE TO ADDRESS IT WHEN ORANGE CITY SITS ON TOP OF OUR WATERSHED. SAFETY IS SO IMPORTANT.

26 CHILDREN HAVE DIED ON OUR STREETS. 26. WHEN

DOES THAT STOP? 30 YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT TRAFFIC HERE. WHEN WE DID THE EXPANSION ON 1792 WE HAD PLENTY OF PROPERTY TO WALK ON. NOW WITH AN EXPANSION IT IS A DEATH TRAP TO WALK ACROSS FIVE LANES. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. WE NEED TO WORK WITH ORANGE CITY TO HELP THEM REBUILD THAT CORRIDOR. YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE IS. YOU JUST VOTED ON $20 MILLION TO HELP DAYTONA BEACH TURN AROUND AND DO THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IN ONE VOLUSIA. HERE WE ARE NOT ASKING $20. WE JUST WANT A FAIR CHANCE AND BITE AT THE APPLE. GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE AT ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AND BE A PARTNER WITH YOU AND SHOW YOU WE CAN DO A CRA BETTER AND AS GOOD AS ANYBODY ELSE. FINALLY, WITH THE SUN RAIL COMING IN, YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT CORRIDOR IS GOING TO BE MORE BUSIER. HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CARS WILL BE COMING THROUGH THERE. WE MUST ADDRESS THAT CORRIDOR IN EXPLAINING THEIR ROADS. MY RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES COULD NOT EXPAND BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT MEET THE NEW CODES. THEY COULD NOT GO ANY FURTHER BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THEY WERE RESTRICTED. LET'S NOT DO THAT TO ORANGE CITY. LET'S GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. PLEASE, SUPPORT THIS CRA. I KNOW YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HEIDI HURTZBURG.

556 NORDELO DRIVE DELL TOE.

, FLORIDA. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE CITY OF ORANGE CITY IN THEIR REQUEST FOR A CRA. THE RETURN O INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY AND VOLUSIA. I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER COMPETITION. THE COUNTY OF VOLUSIA IS IN COMPETITION WITH SEMINOLE COUNTY, ORANGE COUNTY. A LOT OF OTHER COUNTIES. IF YOU LOOK AT SEMINOLE COUNTY ALONE LOOK AT THEIR CRA PROGRAM IN SEMINOLE COUNTY. LOOK HOW MANY CITIES BELONG TO THE 1792 CRA. CASTLE BERRY, ALTAMONT AND LAKE MARY ALL OF THOSE CITIES PARTICIPATE IN SOME SORT OF CRA TO SUPPORT SEMINOLE COUNTY. LOOK AT THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT TO GROW AS A COUNTY. SEMINOLE COUNTY HAVE A BUY IN FROM THEIR CITIES. ONE OF THE OTHER GENTLEMEN MENTIONED SOUTHWEST VOLUSIA HAS ZERO IN CRAS. WE HAVE NOTHING IN SEMINOLE COUNTY. WE HAVE NOTHING OVER HERE. IF YOU WANT A RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT, SOON OTHER LATER AS A COUNTY AND COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES YOU'LL HAVE TO TRY TO INVEST IN SOUTHWEST VOLUSIA. GIVE ORANGE CITY A CHANCE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. JOE YARBOROUGH. BEFORE YOU BEGIN, SIR, STEVE SADLER WOULD YOU COME

UP FRONT? THESE ARE

LAST THREE CONTESTANTS.

I AM HERE TO REQUEST MAYOR -- 1672 SOUTH RIDGE WOOD AVENUE, FLORIDA. , ACCUSE ME. I'M HERE AT THE REQUEST OF MAYOR JOE SLACK WHO SENT YOU ALL A LETTER AND WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS RECORDED IN THE RECORD FOR HIS SUPPORT OF ORANGE CITY. AS CITY MANAGER WITH THE CRA I SHUTTER TO THINK WHAT WE WOULD BE LIKE TODAY IF WE HASN'T COME BEFORE THIS BODY 20 YEARS AGO. AS YOU HEARD TESTIMONY TODAY IT IS THE ONLY TOOL. IT IS A PARTNERSHIP. IN 2001 YOU MADE SURE YOU REFINED THE RULES OF THAT PARTNERSHIP. I HONESTLY BELIEVE, IN MY HEART, THAT THE EXPOSURE TO THIS COUNTY IS VERY LITTLE WITH THE TREMENDOUS POSITIVE RETURN IN LIGHT OF THE CHANGES TO CRA'S MADE IN 2001 BY THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL. THANK YOU MEMBERS.

THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR BOB EPGAR.

MAYOR OF DELAND 120 SOUTH FLORIDA AVENUE. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF ORANGE CITY'S CRA AND CRA'S IN GENERAL. DELAND SUCCESS WITH OUR CRA HAS BEEN FANTASTIC. IF YOU'LL THINK BACK, WE WERE A FRONT PAGE STORY NOT LONG AGO ON THE NEWS DURING DELAND BLOOMS.

CAN YOU GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I NEED THE CLOCK STARTED.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

IN A COLUMN NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT PATT RICE WROTE WHEN THE NEWS JOURNAL WAS GOING TO OPEN A BUREAU IN DOWNTOWN DELAND HE REFERRED DELAND AS ONE OF THE BEST SMALL CITIES DOWNTOWN IN FLORIDA. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT. WHILE I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WENT INIT TO. THOSE THINGS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SAID WITHOUT OUR CRA. OUR CRA MADE A FANTASTIC DIFFERENCE IN DOWNTOWN DELAND'S SUCCESS. THE NEXT THOUGHT IS SCARIFIES 4 AND 792. I-4 YOU SEE VIRTUALLY NOTHING BUT COUNTRY SIDE. WHEN YOU COME UP THOSE COMMUNITIES WILL GROW CLOSER TOGETHER. IT DOESN'T DO DELAND ANY GOOD TO HAVE NEIGHBORS OF BLIGHTED DOWNTOWN. IT DOESN'T SERVE THE HERITAGE LAKES CORRIDOR ANY GOOD. IT DOESN'T SERVE SUN RAIL ANY GOOD. TO ME, AS WE GROW AND WEST VOLUSIA CONTINUES TO PROSPER, ALL THE CITIES IN WEST VOLUSIA NEED TO HAVE THEIR SHOES SHINED AND MAKE THEIR BEST APPEARANCE. RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE WITH ORANGE CITY. I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT GRANTING THEM THE AUTHORITY TO HAVE A CRA WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE THEY'LL ALL BE PROUD OF THEIR HAIR CUT ON SHOE SHINED AS TIME GOES FORWARD. IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR ALL OF WEST VOLUSIA IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU

MR. MAYOR.

STEVE SETHER.

THANK YOU, STEEVESTER 806 EAST 5th AVENUE. I'M HERE TODAY AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND FOUR TERM MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH. I'M A REALTOR AND REAL ESTATE CONSULTANT. MY FAMILY MOVED TO NEW SMYRNA BEACH 30 YEARS AGO. I HAVE LIVED THERE FULL-TIME 27 YEARS. HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME I HAVE SEEN FIRST-HAND THE CRA PROCESS FROM ITS BEGINNING. IT HAS BEEN FABULOUS. THE ADVANTAGE OF MY SPEAKING AT THIS POINT IS I'M GOING LAST AND MOST OF THE IMPORTANT POINTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN HIT. I WILL JUST SAY TO YOU, THAT WE WISH FOR THE CITIZENS OF ORANGE CITY THE SAME SUCCESS AND THE SAME ENJOYMENT AND THE SAME PRIDE WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS TOTALLY NECESSARY. CRA PROCESS 15 MAGNET FOR BRINGING REDEVELOPMENT. IT ALSO PROVIDES A BASIS FOR A COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS AND NOT CREATE UNFUNDED MANDATES IN THE PROCESS. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE CRA PROCESS ALLOWS FOR THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND WE KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL CITIZENS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK CAREFULLY, CONSIDER IT CAREFULLY, AND DECIDE IN FAVOR OF ORANGE CITY'S CRA PROCESS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. ED NOSEWORTHY.

ED NOSEWORTHN 587 SANFORD FLORIDA.

THIS IS OUR FINAL CITIZEN SPEAKER. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? IF SO, FILL OUT A YELLOW FORM. MAKE SURE MISS MARCY GETS IT. AFTER THAT WE'LL CLOSE CITIZEN PAR DISSIPATE AFTER -- PARTICIPATION AFTER THIS YOUNG GENTLEMEN.

I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF FLORIDA HOSPITAL MEMORIAL AT 1055 SAXON BOULEVARD IN ORANGE CITY. I REPRESENT THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE AS PRESIDENT OF THE ORGANIZATION. WE SENT YOU A POSITION PAPER VIA THAT ORGANIZATION. WHAT I'M HERE TO SPEND A FEW SECONDS IS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAPPEN TO BE FORTUNATE TO LIVE ON THE SAXON BOULEVARD. WHERE WE HAVE MORE OPENED TO US THAN ON THE 1792 CORRIDOR. ORANGE CITY DOESN'T TAKE UP A LARGE FOOT PRINT TO. ENTER AND EXIT THAT CITY DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TIME, UNLESS YOU ARE CAUGHT AT LIGHTS OR THE BUSY PIECE. THERE IS NOT A LOT OF MILEAGE THERE. ONE THING THAT I HAVE KNOWN IS THE SUCCESS THAT'S HAPPENED ON SAXON COULD BE THE SUCCESS THAT COULD HAPPEN ON 1792 WITH THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. I AM NOT HERE TO TELL YOU HOW TO HELP THE CITY. I'M HERE TO PLEDGE SUPPORT THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE STARTED. SOMETHING IN WHATEVER PARTNERSHIP, I AM TOLD THAT THE CRA IS THAT VEHICLE. HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE OTHER VEHICLES, THEY ARE NOT VEHICLES THAT ARE WELL-KNOWN. SO THE TIME AND EFFORT HAS BEEN PUT IN THE CRA. THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT IN MY INVOLVEMENT -- AND I SPEND MORE TIME IN VOLUSIA COUNTY THAN I DO IN MY OWN RESIDENT AREA. ONE THING I KNOW ABOUT ORANGE CITY IS THEY ARE PRUDENT IN THE WAY THEY SPEND DOLLARS. WHEN THEY LAY OUT A PLAN OF ACCOUNTABILITY, THEY WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE. THAT'S ONE THING I HAVE BEEN PROUD ABOUT WORKING WITH THE CITY ON AS WE WORK TOGETHER LOOKING AT TAKING CARE OF THE BEST HEALTH NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY AS WELL AS ORANGE CITY AS WELL AS MY OTHER CITIES DELTONA AND DEBERRY. WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. ANYBODY

ELSE BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION?

ON THE SCREEN, JOYCE, YOU HAVE A COMMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. AND SO SAY THAT I HAVE NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE TO VOTE -- VOTE FOR A CRA SINCE I HAVE BEEN

BEEN ON THE COUNCIL. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WHEN I CAME HERE IN ITS INFANCY. YOU HAVE REVISED AND COME UP WITH A DOCUMENT, THAT I THINK IS VERY GOOD, THAT WILL HELP US. I HAVE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. YOU TALK ABOUT THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT ON CRA'S. YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP. AS A MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL, I TOO ALSO LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE. I'D LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO DEVELOP AND DO SOMETHING THAT WILL INCREASE THE BEAUTY AND THE ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT OF CITIZEN THAT LIVE IN EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTY AND THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY. SO THAT WE WILL ALL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. AND THERE IS NO SEPARATION. SOMEONE ALSO SAID THIS IS A TOMB. I THINK THAT WE ALL MUST BE GIVEN SOME TOOLS AND A SET OF RULES IN WHICH WE MUST FOLLOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN ANY VENTURE. I HEAR YOU 1792 BLIGHTED. WE, AS CITY WARDS IN THIS COUNTY HAVE THE TOOLS TO USE AVAILABLE SO WE MIGHT ALL GROW TOGETHER. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, I PUT

ON THE FLOOR A MOTION AT THIS TIME.

THE MOTION IS TO FORWARD IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

NOT NECESSARILY.

NO. NO. I WOULD MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION AND THE DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY TO CREATE A CRA IN ORANGE CITY. THAT IS MY MOTION.

YES.

SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM MR. DANIEL'S.

THANK YOU.

MR. DANIELS?

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD JOB. 20 YEARS FROM NOW WE'LL BE HAPPY WE DID THIS. IT IS SOMETHING ORANGE CITY CLEARLY NEEDS. YOU CAN'T DEVELOP ANYTHING IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, SEWER SYSTEM OR STORM WATER SYSTEM. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO. WE TALKED ABOUT BLUE SPRINGS EARLIER. WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER FOR BLUE SPRINGS THAN TO HAVE A SEWER SYSTEM THAT MAY TAKE AFFLUENT THAT OTHER WISE WOULD WENT IN THERE. OTHERWISE BLUE SPRINGS MAY TURN INTO A PLACE YOU CANNOT SWIM OR DO ANYTHING. I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS. I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING THE DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY TODAY. THINK THIS IS THE SECOND OR THIRD TIME I HEARD IT. I WANT IT DONE. I WANT IT DONE TODAY. I THINK WE OUGHT TO APPROVE IT AND MOVE ON. THE PEOPLE IN ORANGE CITY ARE PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF DECIDING THEIR OWN FUTURE. MR. PATTERSON AND I HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS FOND OF SAYING THAT THE DOG LIVES HERE. WHAT HE MEANT BY THAT IS THE DOG THAT LIVES THERE KNOWS WHERE THE BONES ARE BURIED AND WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO MAKE THINGS BETTER AND HOW TO IMPROVE THE AREA THAT HE'S IN. HOW TO IMPROVE HIS OWN CONDITION. I THINK WE HAVE THAT HERE. I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP IN SPOKE TODAY. IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST INTELLIGENT ARTICULATE GROUP OF PEOPLE WE HAVE EVER HAD OR WE HAVE HAD SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE. THE ONE THING IS CLEAR, IS THAT THE ORANGE CITY IS NOT HELD BACK BY THE QUALITY OF ITS RESIDENTS. YOU GUYS ARE TERRIFIC. THANK YOU.

MISS DINNEEN.

THE WEST SIDE OF VOLUSIA HAS BEEN REPRESENTED IN ALMOST EVERY ISSUE WE DISCUSSED TODAY. IT IS A GOOD DAY FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY AND THE WEST SIDE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. YOU PRESENTED WELL AND YOU PRESENTED STRONG. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS COUNCIL IS APPROVING A CRA ON THE 2010 RESOLUTION. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH CHANGES IN CRA'S, WHAT THEY WILL DO AND WON'T DO. COUNCIL PREVIOUS TO ME, 2010 RESOLUTION SET FORT A GOOD STRUCTURE GOING FORWARD. SO IT IS A GOOD BASELINE. IT IS A GOOD GUIDELINE. ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS STRONG ABOUT YOUR PRESENTATION IS THAT INDEED IT IS BRICKS AND MORTAR. IT IS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THE LEADERS, I THINK MR. DANIEL'S SAID IT BEST.

NOT ONLY ARE YOU ARTICULATE BUT YOU ARE LEADERS. TO HAVE THIS MANY LEADERS SAYING THE SAME THING FOR THE SAME REASON AT THE SAME TIME FOR THE SAME PURPOSE IS POWERFUL. THAT ALONE WILL BREATHE SUCCESS. HOPEFULLY THIS COUNCIL WILL GO POOR WARD IN PARTNERING WITH ORANGE CITY AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SUCCESS. I

THINK YOU ARE LOOKING AT 20 YEARS TO 40 YEARS. I CERTAINLY WON'T BE HERE TO SEE IT. THESE ISSUES AND PROJECTS ARE BIGGER THAN OURSELVES. SOMETIMES BIGGER THAN OUR TIME WILL ALLOW. LEADERS GO FORWARD FOR THE SAKE OF THE COMMUNITY. I CONGRATULATE ALL OF YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SUCCESS. THANK YOU.

MR. ECKERT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT A MINUTE OR TWO?

ON THE ISSUE OF THE RESOLUTION THERE ARE CERTAIN CORRECTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. RESOLUTION DOES NOT SPECIFY THE 20 YEAR TERM. THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT EXCLUDE ECHOING FOREVER AS EACH THE CITY HAS SAID THE RESOLUTION DOESN'T SAY THAT. RESPECTEDFULLY, I THINK THERE MAY BE A POINT OF DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN MR. STORAGE AND MYSELF THE DELEGATION HAS TO OCCUR FIRST. IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE TO CIRCULATE A DRAFT AFTER TODAY CONSISTENT AND TO BRING IT BACK FOR YOUR ADOPTION. THOSE ARE CHANGES I THINK ARE NECESSITIES OR NECESSARY.

IF WE NEED TO MAKE CLARIFICATIONS WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THEM. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. I UNDERSTAND. I APPRECIATE DAN'S DESIRE TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE. THOSE CLARIFICATIONS CAN BE ADDED NOW.

I WOULD THINK SO.

YEAH.

DAN, IF YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THEM AND HAVE HIM REACTS AND LET'S GET IT DONE.

BEFORE YOU GO. COULD

YOU MOVE

A MICROPHONE LEFT OR RIGHT? THANK YOU.

IT IS PART OF RECORD. ON THE

BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE. IT

SAYS IN SUBSTANCE STRIKE THE FINDING OF NECESSITY ALREADY MADE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO DELEGATE THE AUTHORITY THE DELEGATION HAS TO OCCUR PRIOR TO THE FINDING BY THE CITY COMMISSION. RESPECTFULLY I DISAGREE. I KNOW THAT THE CITY -- YOU CAN END UP IN THE SAME PLACE.

THAT'S RIGHT. IF WE END UP AT THE SAME PLACE IN DELEGATIONS GOING FORWARD I DON'T CARE IF WE STRIKE THAT. THAT

IS NOT A BIG DEAL.

IN THE FINANCING -- I THINK THE CITY HAS TO GO THROUGH AND FIND THE BLIGHT AFTER. PROBABLY -- I'M NOT SURE I CAN SAY WHAT THE CHANGES IS NECESSARY IN THE 7th. I WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO MAKE -- YOU CAN REFER TO THOSE BEING AT THE REQUEST. BUT I THINK THE FINDING OF BLIGHT HAS TO BE MADE AFTER THE DELEGATION. IN THIS FINANCING PARAGRAPH, YOU HAVE PUT CLARIFICATION. I THINK THIS IS THE CITY'S INTENT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO EXCLUDE ECHOING FOREVER. INCREMENT REVENUE WILL BE CITY AND COUNCIL

AND EXCLUDEE KOA -- EXCLUDE ECHO.

WHAT

IS CALLED THE TERMS, YOU ARE DELEGATING THE AUTHORITY.

WOULDN'T BIT BETTER TO SAY THIS INCLUDES COUNTY FUND.

IT NEEDS TO ONLY EXCLUDE THE COUNTY FUND.

IT SHOULD ONLY INCLUDE COUNTY FUND.

IF YOU USE EXCLUSION AND ANOTHER ONE POPS UP IN 15 YEARS -- YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A BONDED ISSUE IN THE GENERAL FUND YOU WOULD EXCLUDE THAT. IT IS MOSTLY SOME FORM ISSUES. THIS IS TONIGHT COUNTY AND CITY FUNDS IS THAT IT?

IF IT WILL BE THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL I WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK ONE AND FINAL FORM WE CIRCULATED TO THE CITY. YOU VOTED IN SUBSTANCE TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU IN THE NEXT MEETING.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE IT NOW. LET'S JUST DO IT. THERE IS NO PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL TO BRING THIS LATER.

LET'S JUST DO

IT NOW.

WE ARE TWO HOURS INTO

IT. THERE IS

ONE OTHER ISSUE. THAT IS IN -- IT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME IF THERE IS INTENDED -- IF THE CITY IS REQUESTING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OR REQUESTING.

IT IS A LIMITATION.

TELL ME WHICH PARAGRAPH THAT IS.

PARAGRAPH 3-D.

3-D. STATES IT IN THE ALTERNATIVE.

HERE WE ARE. YES.

THE RESOLUTION AS ADOPTED IN 2010 SET OUT THOSE AS ALTERNATIVES. AND

GAVE THE THRESHOLDS AS AN EXAMPLE. SO WHERE AS IN THE CRA WITH WHICH YOU ARE FAMILIAR CROSSING CRA IN DAYTONA BEACH SHORES CRA WHICH FOLLOWED IT, THE COUNTY LIMITATION -- LET ME FINISH. IN THOSE CRA'S THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTION ENDED AS OF A CERTAIN CONTRIBUTION OR AS OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT. THERE WAS A POLICY CHOICE THAT HAS NOT BEEN MADE.

IF WE TAKE OUT THE WORD OR AND REPLACE THAT WITH WHICH SHALL BE DEFINED AS SCALE MONEY THRESHOLDS, WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU?

ARE YOU REQUESTING 95% OF UP TO

$1 MILLION? WHAT IS THE CITY'S REQUEST.

JAMIE 205 EAST GRAVES FLORIDA ORANGE CITY, FLORIDA, ORANGE CITY CITY MANAGER.

MA'AM, MAY I INTERRUPT. 2010 RESOLUTION SAID HERE'S HOW THE COUNTY WILL DO IT. IT SAID IT WILL SET A LIMIT OR DEFINE THE CONTRIBUTIONS. THIS RESOLUTION DOESN'T ANSWER THE POLICY QUESTION THAT SAID 2010 WOULD BE ANSWERED.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SAY WITH 3-D IS WE WOULD AGREE TO THE THRESHOLDS OF 95% UP TO THE FIRST MILLION. FROM A MILLION TO $2 MILLION IT IS 75%. OVER $2 MILLION IT IS 50%. WHICH

WAS THE EXAMPLE PUT FORWARD IN THE 2010 RESOLUTION.

SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR.

IF YOU USE THAT LANGUAGE SHALL BE DEFINED AS, WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU?

I'M JUST TRYING TO ACHIEVE CLARITY.

APPRECIATE IT. ANYTHING ELSE?

NO, SIR.

MR. WAGONER DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS?

I'M SUPPORTING IT. EVERYONE CAN BREATHE SOFT. THE 20 YEAR TERM WE ARE ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS ONE OF MY ISSUES SO WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT. THE ECHO ON OTHERS WASN'T A BIG DEAL FOR ME. THE ONE THING AS FAR AS CLARITY ON THE RECORD IS IF WE ARE DOING CAPITAL AND PROJECTS AND MATCHES IT WON'T BE FESTIVALS. LIKE WHEN WE DO A CAPITAL, I LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS AS A PARTNERSHIP. WHEN WE DO CAPITAL PROJECTS IT IS A 50/50 DEAL IN THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS. I ASSUME THE OVERAGE FOR YOU GUYS IS NOT USED FOR OTHER THAN SPECIFICS IN THIS.

CORRECT. AS I SAID IN MY POWERPOINT. WE ARE DOING THE SAME THING. BRICKS AND MORTAR. WE'LL HAVE TO BEAR SOME ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. YOU WANT EVERYTHING IN THE COUNTY TO BE BRICKS AND MORTAR.

IF I MAY, IN THE POWERPOINT, ARE YOU SETTING A LIMITATION ON THE CITY'S PART OR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS? I WAS UNCLEAR ON THAT POINT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE HAVE AGREED WE ARE USING OUR SHARE FOR BRICKS AND MORTAR.

AND IS THERE A LIMITATION ON THAT

AMOUNT? EXCEPT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS MEANS WHAT, SIR?

I THINK WHAT WE ARE THINKING IS YOU DO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS YOU'LL PROBABLY NEED A CRA DIRECTOR. THAT IS SOMETHING GENERALLY PAID OUT OF THE CRA FUNDS. THAT IS TRUE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAD DONE A SHEET WHICH SHOWED ALL OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY, IT WAS IN OUR ORIGINAL PLAN SUBMITTED BACK IN JANUARY OF 2013. IT SHOWED ALL THE PROJECTS AND THEY WERE BROKEN DOWN BY WHO MIGHT BE PAYING. WE ALSO INCLUDED ANYBODY WE MIGHT GET BENEFIT FUNDS. SOMETIMES IT SHOWS THE COUNTY, CITY OR POSSIBLE GRANTS OR SOMETIMES IF THE CITY WAS WILLING TO MAKE AN ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTION BETWEEN WATER AND SEE WAR WE INCLUDED THEM ALSO. BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE GRANTS.

AS I UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSAL FROM THE CITY, YOU ARE SAYING THAT ALL THE COUNTIES CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE USED FOR CAPITAL. ALL THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION AND PAYMENT INTO THE FUND WOULD BE USED EITHER FOR CAPITAL OR FOR CRA DIRECTOR.

CORRECT.

THE ANSWER IS YES.

I THINK IT IS GOOD TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND QUESTIONS. SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN HEAR IT AND OBVIOUSLY I'M A BIG PERSON ON PRECEDENT. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE OF THE NEW LANGUAGE. I THINK IT IS GOOD TO DO. I DO FEEL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT HAVING WRITTEN IN ON PENCIL. I'M NOT GOING TO STOP IT IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S WISHES. AS A LAWYER I LIKE TO READ THE FINAL DOCUMENT. I'M FINE WITH THOSE. I THINK EVERYTHING I ASKED FOR YOU HAVE DONE. THERE

IS NOTHING WITH ME AT ALL. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

WHERE IS MICHAEL? I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE WAWA, TOO. I WANT TO BE SURE I'M CLEARLY HEARING WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. WHEN WE CAME IN HERE ALL THE DOCUMENTS

I LOOKED AT DID NOT MEET THE 2010 RESOLUTION. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE WHEN WE SAY WE KNOW THAT THE COUNTY'S TAXIING. WILL ONLY BE USED FOR CAPITAL. ORANGE CITY'S WILL ONLY BE USED FOR

CAPITAL WITH THE EXEMPTION OF A DIRECTOR FOR ADMINISTRATION. HOW DO I KNOW THAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION? HOW DO I KNOW THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE RESOLUTION? THAT IS NOT WHAT IS IN THAT I HAVE LOOKED AT. TELL ME WHAT THE WORDS ARE WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS DONE THIS WAY.

TO SAY CITY INCREMENT WILL BE USED ONLY FOR CAPITAL COSTS OR THE COMPENSATION OF A CRA DIRECTOR.

FOR THE SALARY OF A CRA DIRECTOR.

SO WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE RESOLUTION? THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M TALKING TO THESE GUYS, OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT. PATT, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT 3 C.

YOU HAD YOUR TURN MR. DANIEL'S. I'LL TAKE MY TIME.

THE CITY SHALL NOT USE COUNTY INCREMENT REVENUE FOR COSTS. IT SHOULD BE USED SOLELY FOR COUNTY PROJECTS AS DEFINEED IN THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.

CORRECT.

THAT'S THE CLEAR LANGUAGE.

THAT DOESN'T SPEAK TO CITY'S INCREMENT.

EXACTLY. THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.

WE JUST DISCUSSED THIS.

ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THE RESOLUTION?

WE WOULD BE PLEASED TO ADD IT.

THANK YOU.

WE'LL SAY THE CITY PORTION SHALL ALSO ONLY BE USED FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS EXCEPT FOR THE PERMISSION TO USE A PORTION FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. IF WE NEED TO GO INTO THE DIRECTOR .

NO. WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S PROPOSAL TO BE IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO USE IT FOR THE COMPENSATION IN CASE IT IS A CONTRACT EMPLOYEE OF A CRA DIRECTOR.

WHICH WOULD CONSIST OF A CRA DIRECTOR.

ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS ARE BROADER THAN THAT. I'M JUST

TRYING TO FIND WHAT YOU ARE ASKING.

.

ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S A DESCRIPTIVE WORD. WHAT DO YOU SAY?

YOU NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR.

THAT IS TRUE.

THAT WAS NOT .

HOLD ON. WHATEVER THE MANAGER SAID THERE IS NOT ON THE RECORD. NOBODY CAN HEAR IT. ALL SHE HEARD IS THAT IS TRUE.

WE ARE GOING TO STICK WITH, WHICH WOULD CONSIST OF CRA ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTOR ONLY. OKAY? I APPRECIATE THE SPECIFICITY. IT IS IMPORTANT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

YOU CAN SAY FOR CAPITAL OR FOR THE PLAN OR FOR THE COMPENSATION OF ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTOR.

THAT LANGUAGE IS FINE.

OKAY. THEN ON THE SECTION 7, HOW IS THE LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY READING FOR THE TWENTY YEAR? RIGHT NOW THE LANGUAGE, I KNOW THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION HERE ABOUT HOW THAT LANGUAGE READS.

I AM STRIKING THE WORDS DUE TO THE LOW INCREMENT. I'M SAYING SPECIFICALLY THE TERM IS 20 YEARS PERIOD.

OKAY.

MR. ECKERT I'M GOING TO ASK THIS

QUESTION AGAIN. CAN WE REQUIRE THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER BE ON THAT CRA BOARD?

NO, MA'AM.

EXPLAIN WHY ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM THE CITY CAN BE ON THE BOARDSISM I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ORANGE CITY BUT OTHER CRA'S WHERE ELECTED OFFICIALS SERVE ON THE BOARD AND WE SERVE ON THE CRA BOARD. WE USED TO HAVE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM THIS COUNCIL WHO SERVED ON THE CRA FOR SPRING HILL.

ARE YOU ON THAT?

WE HAVE TWO COUNCILS ON THAT?

WHY WOULD

WE NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT HERE? IT IS AUTHORITY CITED BY COUNTY COUNCIL. IT INCLUDES UNINCORPORATED AREA. LET ME BE SURE ABOUT THIS.

I BELIEVE SPRING HILL INCLUDES THE COUNTY. DELAND OPERATES THAT CRA PHYSICALLY. THEY CALL THE MEETINGS. THEY STAFF THE MEETINGS. WE DON'T DO THAT. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A WAY FOR THE COUNCIL, COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE

TABLE. IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO THAT?

THE ONLY THING IS ON OVERSITE WHERE WE LOOK AT IT ONCE A YEAR. WE'LL TALK ANY CONSIDERATION OUR PARTNER GIVES US REGARDING THIS PLAN INTO CONSIDERATION. I WILL GUARANTEE YOU THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? WE'LL TAKE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO US IN THAT PLAN.

WE ARE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL HELP, WE ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT OUR BUDGET TO YOU EVERY YEAR. YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, YOU RESPOND. I THINK YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS TO RESPOND. IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING IT PROVIDES YOU THE OVERSITE AS COUNTY COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND MAKE COMMENTS.

THAT DOESN'T HELP. BUT THANK YOU FOR TRYING.

SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ARE IN A PARTNERSHIP IT IS HARD TO FEEL LIKE YOU ARE IN A PARTNERSHIP IF YOU ARE ON THE SIDELINES.

THE ULTIMATE WAY TO DO IT IS COME BACK AND CREATE A CRA FOR VACANT AREAS IN THE COUNTY SECTION OF THIS NEED. THEN WE CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING TOWN THE ROAD. FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE THIS IS ONLY AN AREA WITHIN THE CITY OF ORANGE CITY. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN PUT A COUNTY COUNCILMAN ON THAT BOARD.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A SATISFACTORY ANSWER. THE ISSUE IS CONSTITUTIONAL DUAL OFFICE HOLDING. I'M LOOKING AT THE STATUE TO SEE IF THE LEGISLATORS OVERCOME THAT ISSUE.

DETERMINATION OF NEED, OF THE DEED STUDY WAS INCLUDED.

GLEN YOU ARE NOT TALKING IN THE MIC. I KNOW YOU ARE TALL. I'M SORRY.

THE NEED STUDY INCLUDED THOSE AREAS. THE COUNTY STAFF HAD CONCERNS REGARDING THE FACT THOSE AREAS WHICH ARE COUNTY AREAS WERE INCLUDED IN THIS AREA. THOSE HAVE BEEN REMOVED WITH THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION PROVIDED. LEGAL DESCRIPTION PROVIDED FOR CRA AREA INCLUDES CITY AREAS.

I HAVEN'T TRACKED THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. I THINK WHAT THE CITY ATTEMPTED TO

DO IS PROVIDE RED LANGUAGE SAYING TO THE EXTENT THAT EXCLUDED FROM THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT AREA WHICH IS IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. I WOULD THINK WE WOULD NEED TO SAY --S EXCLUDED AS OF THIS TIME. IT IS NOT THE INTENT TO HAVE A SPRINGING INTEREST SO TO SPEAK.

CORRECT.

IT DOESN'T COME INTO THE CRA IF AND WHEN ANNEXED.

THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY. IT WILL NOT GO IN THE CRA.

NOT AUTOMATICALLY.

IT WILL TAKE AN AMENDMENT.

IT RAISES VEXING QUESTIONS ON THE BAY SHEER AND HOW TO COMPUTE THE INCREMENT. A PART OF THE STATUE IS THAT YOU CANNOT DELEGATE AUTHORITY BEYOND THE CITY LIMITS.

OKAY. THAT'S COMFORTABLE THEN. I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS. I HAVE A COUPLE STATEMENTS. I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF CRA'S. I SAID THAT IN THE PAST. I THINK WE WERE APPROPRIATE WHEN WE HAD A DIFFERENT KIND OF REVENUE. STATE HAS RIGHTFULLY CONTAINED LOCAL GOVERNMENT ON RAISING REVENUE. WHILE THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, IT CHANGES HOW WE OPERATE WITHIN THOSE CONSTRAINTS. THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME ON HOW WE TAKE ALL THE COMMERCIAL IN OUR COUNTY AND PUT IT INTO CRA'S AND THAT LEAVES THE COUNTY OUT THERE WITHOUT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES AT THE INCREASED LEVELS PEOPLE ASK FOR. HOWEVER, MY ISSUES WITH THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINALLY CAME INTO US, I DID NOT BELIEVE IT CAME IN AT THE 2010 RESOLUTION. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. I THINK WE HAVE PROBABLY WORKED THAT OUT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE LISTING ORANGE CITY WILL APPROACH THEIR PROJECTS. I AM STRICTLY ABOUT THE CAPITAL. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THE REWRITE WE DID HERE, WHERE THAT MEANS THE LANDSCAPING. WHETHER YOU VIEW THAT AS CAPITAL. THAT'S A QUESTION I GUESS I NEED TO HEAR FROM THE CITY WHAT THEY VIEW AS CAPITAL PROJECTS? THIS SHOULD ONLY BE ABOUT CAPITAL PROJECTS.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU DO A CAPITAL PROJECT IF YOU ARE ADDING TO A SIDEWALK, IF YOU ARE DOING SOME ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, IF YOU ARE PUTTING IN SEWER AND TEAR UP YOU'LL GO BACK AND HAVE TO PUT BACK IN, WHETHER THE WIDEN THE SIDEWALK OR REPLACE THE SIDEWALK. YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IT LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN IT WAS WHEN YOU TORE IT OUT. TO WIDEN THE SIDEWALK ON 1792 YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LAY ANOTHER STREEP OF CONCRETE YOU'LL PROBABLY DO DECORATIVE PAVERS AND STREET ESCAPING. THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE CAPITAL PROJECT.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY YOUR SEWER ISSUE ISN'T ADDRESSED UNTIL 20 YEARS OUT AT THE END OF THE CRA?

IT IS BASED ON WHEN MONEY COMES IN THE CRA. WE WERE 17th LOWEST IN PROPERTY VALUE INCREASES. IT MAY TAKE TIME FOR MONEY TO ROLL IN. YOU'LL PLAN CAPITAL PROJECTS AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SEE VERY MANY PROJECTS FOR THE FIRST TEN YEAR OF THE CRA BECAUSE YOU WON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO TO IT.

SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE THE CITY TAKE THE MONEY AS IT COMES IN EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS AND INVEST IN TREES?

I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE IDEA OF THIS COUNCIL. I DON'T THINK THAT GOES WITH OUR PRIORITIES THAT ARE STATED FORTH IN THE PLAN. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR THIS COUNCIL, EITHER. IT IS TRULY TO DO THE THINGS THAT WILL IMPROVE SAFETY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON 1792. WITH THAT, YOU ARE RIGHT, WE WILL DO BEAUTIFICATION AS THE TIME COMES.

THE BEAUTIFICATION COME AS PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

I HEARD FACADE. THE FACADE GRANTS WHEN YOU WERE TALKING.

FACADE GRANTS ARE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THERE WILL BE A POTENT, FOR FACADE GRANTS.

THAT IS NOT CAPITAL. DO YOU VIEW THAT AS CAPITAL?

YEAH. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU ARE MAKING A CAPITAL EXPENDITURES ON A FACADE, THAT IS CAPITAL.

I AM LOOKING FOR SEWER WATER IMPROVEMENTS. WE HAVE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SEPTIC TANKS IN THIS COUNTY AND WE HAVE ISSUES WITH STORM WATER. WE HAVE ISSUES WITH DIRTY WATER ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COUNTY. IF WE ARE GOING TO DO A CRA, THAT SHOULD BE OUR FOCUS IS PUTTING PEOPLE ON SEWER.

ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU WILL LOOK AT PRIORITIES. THEY ARE ONE, SAFETY, TRANSPORTATION AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS POINTS. TWO IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THOSE ARE KEY ISSUES. THE CRA WILL ALLOW US TO START GETTING GRANTS FOR THESE THINGS. FACADE GRANTS ARE SIX ON PRIORITIES. THAT WAS NOT A BIG ISSUE FOR US. IT IS SOMETHING, IF YOU HAVE BUY-IN, IT IS IMPORTANT PART TO ALLOW TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. IT IS PART OF A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. IF I'M DOING A FACADE INCREASE TO MY OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.

OKAY.

IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN TO RETURN HERE?

BEG YOUR PARDON?

IS IT THE INTENT -- I GET MIXED SIGNALS. IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN TO RETURN HERE TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL?

YES. IS THAT CORRECT?

IT IS NOT REQUIRED BUT WE WOULD BE GLAD TO COME BACK AND MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL.

I THOUGHT THAT WOULD HELP.

I APPRECIATE ORANGE CITY. I HAVE DRIVEN THAT STRIP. I GET THE WAY IT LOOKS. I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE IT IMPROVED. I WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN THIS PASSES, THIS THOSE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION THAT ARE STILL OUT HERE LISTENING TO THIS, RECOGNIZE THIS COUNCIL TAKES A LEAP OF FAITH ON THIS ONE. WE HAVE BEEN BURNED ON OTHERS. IT IS A PARTNERSHIP. MANY TIMES IT HASN'T FELT LIKE PARTNERSHIP. I DON'T THINK CRA'S ARE AN APPROPRIATE WAY ANY LONGER. BUT THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE. THAT IS WHAT WERE VOTING ON TODAY. THANK YOU.

ONE CLARIFICATION -- I BELIEVE IT IS THE INTENTION OF THE CITY TO HAVE THE CITY GOVERNING BODY SERVE AS CRA GOVERNING BODY.

CORRECT.

SO THE RESOLUTION COULD REFLECT THAT.

I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

I JUST FEEL LIKE -- IT IT DISAPPOINTS ME WE ARE DELEGATING AUTHORITY. IT DISAPPOINTS ME 50% OF THAT REVENUE IS COMING FROM ACROSS THIS COUNTY, GENERAL FUND REVENUE AND THERE IS NO VOICE ON THAT BOARD FOR THAT 50% OF REVENUE BECAUSE WE ARE COMPLETING DELEGATING IT.

THERE IS A STATUE UPON WHICH YOU MAY SEEK TO RELY THAT IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL. IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT -- THE DISTINCTION I WAS MAKING IS THE COUNTY COUNCIL MAY RECALL SOME CONCERNS WITH THE CITY OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH WHICH HAD A SEPARATE GOVERNING BODY. YOU TOOK ACTION TO HAVE THE CONSERVE AS A GOVERNING BODY NOT AS A DIFFERENT BODY.

I WANT TO TELL YOU, CRA HAS BEEN FAR MORE EFFECTIVE AT REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

ANY TIME YOU HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE VOTERS THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A DIRECT MEMBER TO BE ON THERE.

WE DON'T NOW HOW TO GET A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THERE.

I DON'T SEE THE LOVE.

MR. ECKERT CAN WE RESEARCH THAT? I WOULD SUGGEST, SO FAR THAT IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION REQUEST A CHANGE TO THAT LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR THE COUNTY, IT IS NOT JUST VOLUSIA COUNTY.

WE CONSIDER YOU PARTNERS. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT VOICE FOR ANY HEARINGS TO BE THERE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE DUAL OFFICE HOLDER ISSUE AND OTHER ISSUES MAY PREVENT THAT FROM BEING AN ACTUAL APPOINTMENT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BELABOR BUT I'M UNCLEAR WHY IT IS DUAL FOR US AND NOT THEM.

BECAUSE IT IS AN EXTENSION OF THEIR OFFICE.

I GOT A PROBLEM WITH CRA'S. I GOT A PROBLEM WITH CRA'S. CRA'S AROUND THIS COUNTY, LET'S GO TO ONE. EVERYBODY WANTED TO QUOTE NEW SMYRNA BEACH. GREAT. I SEEN THE MONEY NEW SMYRNA BEACH HAVING WORKED THERE FOR YEARS ON THE RADIO, HAVING DRIVING THROUGH IT EVERY DAY. I DO GO THERE TO DO MY DAILY BUSINESS. ALL THAT CANAL STREET MONEY WE PUT IN THERE THERE IS NOBODY ON THE STREETS. THE BUILDING MAY BE GOING UP AT PRICE OR VALUE. I GO THROUGH AT 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON, 11:00 IN THE MORNING IT DOESN'T MATTER. THERE ARE FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE ON THE STREET USUALLY AT THE SAME PLACE. JASON'S CORNER OR AT THE DRUGSTORE. PLUS, A MILLION DOLLARS INTO A BUILDING OVER THERE WHICH WAS THE OLD NEWS JOURNAL BUILDING THERE IS A RESTAURANT IN THERE. IT HAS BEEN EMPTY -- THEY DON'T HAVE WALLS IN THERE. I LOOKED AT IT YESTERDAY MORNING. THERE NO WALLS, FIXTURES OR NOTHING IN THIS BUILDING EXCEPT METAL STUDS. IT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT FOR THREE YEARS.

I DO HAVE TO POINT OUT CANAL STREET IS PART OF THE CRA. FLAGLER AVENUE IS OTHER PART.

OF COURSE IT IS PACKED. YOU HAVE THE TOURIST SHOPS, COUPLE HOTELS. NICE HOTELS. CAN'T ARGUE THAT POINT. YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS. BUT THAT'S ALSO THE END OF THE LINE BEFORE YOU GO SPLASH. RIGHT THERE IS WHERE YOU GO SPLASH IN THE OCEAN. OF COURSE IT IS GOING TO BE BUSY. ANY PART WHERE YOU CAN GET READY TO GO IN.

THAT WASN'T 20 YEARS AGO.

20 YEARS AGO IT WASN'T. YOU ARE CORRECT. I'LL GIVE THEM THAT. BUT, IT IS STILL ON. I SAT AND TALKED

WITH CITY LEADERSHIP AND WITH EVERYBODY HERE, MR. DINNEEN SAID WE'LL GIVE A 50/50 CASH SITUATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. MAYBE WORKING IN OTHER WAYS, A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS A USER FEE FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA. WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE CITY. I DID. WE COME UP WITH A COUPLE OPTIONS THAT THE CRA THING STILL -- WHAT I'M SAYING IS CRA WE NEED A CRA OVER HERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ONE. JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE JUMPS OFF THE BRIDGE DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO. I'M SEEING CRA'S THAT DON'T FUNCTION. MIDTOWN. DAYTONA BEACH. I HAVE CITIZENS THAT STILL CALL ME TODAY AND SAY WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET OUR MONEY ON THE MIDTOWN CRA? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO FIX OUR AREA? IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. I CALLED THE DAYTONA AND TALKED TO THE MAYOR. WE'LL GET TO IT. WE'LL GET IT TO. AND NOW THEY COME BACK TO US AND THEY WANT ANOTHER CRA FOR THE SAME AREA. CANAL STREET. WE ARE JUST GETTING OUT OF IT BUT THEY WANT TO INCORPORATE AND INCORPORATE U.S. 1. CRA'S ARE RIDING CRA'S. I DO WANT TO KNOW -- THERE IS A QUESTION MARK, IS THIS FUNDING GOING TO BE BONDABLE? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE GO THROUGH THE SAME THING WE WENT THROUGH WITH HOLLY HILL WHERE THERE IS A BOND ISSUE COMING UP FOR CRA FUNDING, THE COUNTY SIDE OF THE MONEY?

CRA REVENUES WILL ALWAYS BE BOND.

ABLE AS A POTENT, SOURCE TO GET THESE THINGS DONE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO GET SEWERS IN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO PUT IN SEWER THEN MAKING THE STREET LOOK PRETTY.

WHEN YOU TEAR UP THE SIDEWALKS THAT AND WHEN YOU PUT THE SEWERS IN.

DON'T FORGET THE STORM DRAIN.

YOU ARE CORRECT. DO IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU CAN IN THESE SEGMENTS LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS DEVELOP SOMETHING AND TEAR IT UP.

THAT MADE NO SENSE. THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT IN THE CRA. I CAN COUNT ABOVE FIVE. I'M JUST VOICING MY OPINION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE. WE GET TO SAY WHY AM I NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. I TOLD YOU SEVERAL REASONS. THERE IS A LONGER LIST OF WHY.

I STILL WANT TO CONVINCE YOU IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO DOWN THE ROAD. WE'LL WORK ON THAT.

COUNTY GROWTH I CORDING TO MORGAN WAS 4 TO 6% COUNTY WIDE. I DON'T SEE THE GREAT EXPONENTIAL GROWTH IN THE CRA ACCORDING TO THE NUMBERS FROM OUR OWN COUNTY APPRAISER. MR. PATTERSON.

IT IS LIKE BUYING A CAR AND WALKING OUT NOT KNOWING WHAT YOU BOUGHT HERE. I REALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING ALL THIS DOWN ON PAPER AND NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT IS HAPPENING. I HOPE THERE IS, ON THE SIDE OF ORANGE CITY WHEN THEY GET OUT OF HERE TODAY THERE IS NOT BUYERS REMORSE THAT MAYBE IT ISN'T AS RIGHT AS WE NEED IT AND WE HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND DO A CURE. LET'S HOPE EVERYTHING WILL WORK TODAY ON IT. I WANT TO SEE THE SEWERS. I WANT TO SEE THE STORM WATER. I WANT TO SEE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW DOT WILL REACT TO SOME OF THE DESIGNS THAT I SAW IN THIS PRESENTATION.

IT IS A FIRST STEP.

IT IS A FIRST STEP. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION THAT THEY HAVE REAL PROBLEMS ON. GETTING SOME OF THOSE ENGINEERS OFF THEIR THOUGHT PROCESSES CAN BE MONUMENTAL AT TIMES. WE'LL GO FORWARD. I REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS THING WORK OUT. I HAVE HAD REAL HESITATION ALL ALONG. I TALKED TO JAMIE AND BARRY, AND QUITE A FEW PEOPLE. IT HAS BEEN TROUBLESOME FOR ME AS WE HAVE GONE ALONG WITH THIS. I WANT TO SEE GOOD THINGS COME OUT OF THIS. BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO LOOK BAD ALL THE WAY AROUND. HALF MY DISTRICT IS NOT ABLE TO HAVE A CRA. HALF ANY DISTRICT WILL NEVER BE INCORPORATED. HALF MY DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE WATCHING MONEY THAT COMES OUT OF THE THE GENERAL FUND THAT COULD BE USED FOR PEOPLE HELPING THEIR LIVES UP IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THIS IS WHY I WANT TO SEE THINGS GET BETTER.

THE COULD UNDERSTAND'S SHOW OF CONTINUE IF I COUNTY'S SHOW OF CONFIDENCE WILL WORK WITH YOU.

I HAVE A CALL FOR THE QUESTION. PLEASE SIGNIFY BY I.

I.

ALL OPPOSED. SO MOVED. THE STATEMENT WAS A MOTION MADE BY

MR. CUSAK FOR APPROVAL OF THE CRA. I'M

GOING TO NEED AN AMENDMENT WITH CHANGES. MADAME? WITH THE NECESSARY

CHANGES SPOKEN IN CHAMBERS. IS THAT GOOD FOR YOU MR. DANIEL'S?

THAT WILL WORK.

DID WE COVER ALL THE BASES? OKAY. SO WITH ALL THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY I.

I.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? I WILL PROBABLY STAND ALONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR TIME.

WE HAVE A TEN MINUTE RECESS.

WE'LL TAKE TEN. WE HAVE TO GO. CAN WE TAKE IT A FIVE? CAN YOU HANDLE A FIVE? WE'LL TAKE A FIVE.

MR. WAGNER AND MS. KUZAK AND MYSELF ALL HAVE TO BE OUT OF THIS THE BUILDING NO LATER THAN 6:00. SO, WE NEED TO ROCK AND ROLL. MS. DENNYS, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU HANDED ME, PLEASE EXPLAIN AND FOR THE COUNCIL. THIS TO FINISH OFF YOUR DOWN IS SILL IS COMMENTS.

THIS IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM SPACE FLORIDA. I HAD PUSHED TO TABLE SCENIC BIWAY DESIGNATION ON THE INDIAN LAGOON AROUND THE MERIT ISLAND WILD LIFE REFUGE, BUT WORKING WITHIN THE ORGANIZATIONS AND FDOT AND SPACE FLORIDA THIS IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THAT DESIGNATION TO GO FORWARD. SO, OF COURSE THE MANAGER IS NOT IN HERE.

OF COURSE NOT.

WAIT A MINUTE.

WHICH SEEMS TO BE A PAT -- SEEMS TO BE A PATTERN.

IT IS MS. DENNY.

MS. DENNY, WE HAVE THAT SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. WE RECEIVED A COP APPROXIMATE COPY OF THAT LETTER. IT WILL BE ON YOUR JULY 3 COUNCIL AGENDA.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE WILL SCHEDULE IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY CHAMPION THAT SINCE I WAS THE ONE TO DO IT BEFORE BUT WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES IT IS GREAT TO HAVE AGREEMENT FROM ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. MR. PATTERSON, CLOSING COMMENT, WE CAN ROCK N ROLL.

I'M GOOD.

HE'S GOOD. OKAY. MR. WAGNER, BRIEF COMMENTS INS.

BRIEF COMMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT TO GO.

WE HAVE GOT TO GO.

OKAY.

THE GENE SHELLDON I GOT A COPY OF HIS LETTER THAT HE WORKED AT A FUNERAL HOME PART TIME. I AM SORRY, BUT THAT JUST DOESN'T CUT IT. I MEAN -- NOT TO HIM AS A PERSON OR ANYTHING, BUT WE HAVE STANDARDS. YOU HAVE TO WORK IN TOURISM TO BE ON AN ADVERTISING BOARD. A FUNERAL HOME DOESN'T QUITE FIT UNLESS YOU CONSIDER THEY DIED AND HAD HAD TO BE SENT BACK TO WHERE EVER THEY CAME FROM.

OUCH.

HE WENT ON AN AIRPLANE. I GUESS THAT'S A STRETCH.

NO, NO.

THAT'S JUST NOT -- THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR A REASON. SO,.

DAN OR JAMIE YOU ARE IN THE CHAIR.

SOMEONE ON THE BOARD, IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP --

WHICH BOARD IS THIS.

YOU CAN'T IGNORE IT.

SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA.

HE WORKS PART TIME AT A FUNERAL HOME. WE CAN TRY TO FIND A WAY TO SAY THAT'S ADVERTISING.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. THAT'S NOT COMPLIANT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN SAY IT IS. SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO CAN.

YOU HAVE TO DO -- MAKE A MOTION.

OR SOMEBODY HAS TO MAKE A MOTION.

BUT DOES THE REQUIREMENT SAY IT THOSE BE FULL TIME IF IT IS WITHIN THE AUTHORITY.

IT THUS BE ADVERTISING. IT HAS TO BE IN THE FIELD OF TOURISM.

NO, THEY DON'T THEY HAVE TO BE IN TOURISM IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

NO.

REALLY?

IN WEST VOLUSIA AND SOUTHEAST IS THAT THEY DO BUSINESS WITHIN THE --

IS THAT --

IT IS DIFFERENT.

WE CAN CHANGE THAT, JOSH. NOW MIGHT BE THE TIME TO BRING THAT UP AS A POLICY DECISION. I WOULD BE OPEN TO CHANGING POLICY ON THE AUTHORITIES.

BUT ALSO, I MEAN YOU DON'T -- ALL YOU HAVE TO HAVE AI VOTE OF NONCOMPETENCE.

NO, NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HIM BEING ON THE BOARD. I JUST -- SOMEONE WORKING IN A FUNERAL HOME PART TIME ON A ADVERTISING BOARD JUST -- I MEAN IF IT IS RIGHT IT IS RIGHT. DAN, IF YOU ARE TELLING ME THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN TOURISM, IT IS WHAT IT IS BUT I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE POLICY. COME ON, GUYS. I MEAN THAT'S JUST --

ADVERTISE FOR A WHILE AT FUNERAL HOME.

WHAT ABOUT WITH WEST VOLUSIA BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE ADVERTISING AUTHORITY THAT WERE IN A VARIETY OF BUSINESSES.

BUT THERE HAS BEEN LIKE PEOPLE THAT OWNED FISHING TOURS AND THEY LIKE WORK IN TOURISM.

NO, THE -- IT HAS DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS THAN DOES WEST OR SOUTHEAST.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN TOURISM I AM NOT GOING TO MOVE TO HAVE HIM REMOVED. IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE.

IN HALIFAX ADVERTISING DISTRICT, THEY HAVE TO -- THEY ALL HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE TOURISM BUSINESS NOTLESS THAN A MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE LODGING INDUSTRY. IN WEST AND SOUTHEAST, THEY ALL HAVE TO DO BUSINESS WITHIN THE DISTRICT, NOT LESS THAN THREE OF THEM HAVE TO BE IN THE LODGING INDUSTRY OR PERHAPS IT IS FOUR BUT I THINK IT IS THREE. IN OTHER WORDS, THE TEST FOR MS. -- FOR THIS GENTLEMEN IS THAT SO FAR AS THE COUNTY COUNCIL IS CONCERNED IS HE DOING BUSINESS WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

IF THAT'S THE CASE THAT'S THE CASE. I THOUGHT IT JUST -- OKAY.

THE CONTENTION HAS BEEN MADE. IT IS NOT THAT HE'S NOT PART OF THE TOURISM BUSINESS. THE CONTENTION HAS BEEN IS THAT HE'S NOT DOING BUSINESS PERIOD.

LET ME JUMP IN ONE SECOND AND ADD SOMETHING. WE HAD A COMPLAINT LODGED. NOW, THE ONLY THING THAT MAR CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING IS TRACKING THOSE THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR HER WHICH IS BACKGROUND CHECK IN TERMS OF CRIMINAL BACKGROUND. SHE CHECKS TO SEE THEY'RE A VOTER, OKAY. THERE'S BASIC THINGS THAT SHE CHECKS. THAT'S IT. WHAT WE HAVE NOT DONE AND WE DO NOT DO IS WE DO NOT CHECK THE EMPLOYMENT STATUS. THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE RESPONSIBLE OF THE PERSON WHO MADE THE A POINTMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING WHAT THE PERSON TELLS THEM TO BE TRUE. NOW, WHAT HAPPENED A PERSON QUESTIONED AND SAID, OH BY THE WAY, THE BUSINESS HE SAID ON HIS APPLICATION, I CANNOT FIND TO EXIST. SO, IN THAT CASE, I FELT IT WAS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO HAVE PURCHASING CHECK EVERYWHERE AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID GUESS WHAT, IT DOESN'T EXIST. THAT WAS SUSPECT US. SO, WE -- WE CALLED -- I HAD MARSY CALL THE MAN WHO SAID YOU ARE RIGHT. AT THAT JUST DISAPPEARED. I WAS WORKING FOR THEM OUT OF MY HOME. THAT JUST ENDED AND THIS IS MY OTHER EMPLOYMENT. WE SAID GIVE US A LETTER INDICATING WHAT YOUR EMPLOYMENT WAS. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

YOU ARE WHERE THAT LETTER SAYS HE HAS BEEN EMPLOYED THERE FOR TWO YEARS.

HE SAID HE DID BOTH. HE SAID HE DID BOTH. THE OTHER BUSINESS BE AND THIS.

OKAY.

SO IT IS UP TO THE COUNCIL THEN TO TELL US WHAT TO DO. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY TIME WE CHECKED IS BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY A THIRD PARTY.

OKAY. LET ME SAY YOU ARE THE JUDGE OF THE QUALIFICATIONS.

YES.

AND HE SERVES AT YOUR PLEASURE AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK BEING PART TIME IN A FUNERAL HOME IS SUFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, CALL --

I WOULD RATHER -- I GUESS FOR ME, WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO CHANGE OUR PALSY AS FAR -- POLICY FOR WHO WE PUT ON THE WORDS. CAN WE MAKE IT A REQIEMENT FOR EXPEES WEST VOLUSIA TO BE IN TOURISM.

I THINK IF WE DO THAT WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT OUR POOLS.

JUST A QUESTION.

WELL, THE --

CAN IT BE LEGAL OR NOT.

THIS IS -- THIS COMES FROM AN INTERESTING STATUTORY BACKGROUND. THE QUESTION IS COULD YOU ESTABLISH QUALIFICATIONS BEYOND THAT IN A STATUTE. I WOULD SAY.

WE CAN BE MORE SPECIFIC.

YOU CAN BE MORE SPECIFIC, I THINK.

OKAY. I AM NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS. IF WE WANT TO AMP UP THE BOARDS. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOURISM IN THOSE AREAS. I AM NOT GOING REMOVE THEM. WE CAN STOP THERE BASED ON THAT. SO, THE NEXT ONE IS I -- WE TOSHINGED ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF TIMES. SOMEONE SENT ME AN E-MAIL FOR AN UPDATE. THEY'RE LISTENING RIGHT NOW, JIM ON THE -- DID WE EVER HAVE THE FULL CONCLUSION OF VIDEOING THE MEETINGS TON SWEAR NET? -- ON THE INTERNET? ARE WE STILL WORKING O ON THAT? HE LISTENS TO A LOT OF MEETINGS AND DIDN'T HAVE AN UPDATE. DID WE MAKE THE FINAL DECISION? WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.

I WILL BRING IT BACK. WE NEVER MADE A DECISION.

OKAY. THERE WAS A LADY WHO SENT A LETTER ABOUT HER TAX -- HER HOUSE BEING SOLD.

IF I MADE BEFORE YOU --

KEN ET.

I HAVE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF THAT. I HANDED IT TO REVENUE. THAT HAS BEEN DEALT WITH THIS MORNING.

THAT MAKES IT EASY.

THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR VENUES.

OKAY. THE LAST THING IS THE WORD HAS NOT REALLY GOTTEN OUT AND I AM STILL GETTING -- IT IS BROUGHT UP TO ME AS FAR AS THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX, I THINK THE BEST WAY, I THINK I FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IT IS I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DO A RESIDENCE -- WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY WRITE THE RESOLUTION RIGHT NOW. I HAVE NO PROBLEM BRINGING IT BACK. I WOULD LIKE TO DO A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE SALES TAX FOR THE SCHOOL AND ALSO PUT OUT THERE THE E SAME TIME THAT IF THE MEDIA IS LISTENING, THAT I HAVE TOLD THE COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I WAS NO LONGER PURSUING THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTIONS. I JUST WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD SO PEOPLE CAN GET OUT THERE SO THEY WOULD KNOW IT IS NOT BEING PUSHED RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL TAX. OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT AND IT IS IN THE OUT OF THE RUNNING.

OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION.

THAT'S A MOTION.

OKAY. IT JUST DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

IT IS FINE. I JUST WANT IT ON THE RECORD O SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT. I AM NOT PUSHING IT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S IT. I HAVE TO TAKE OFF. THERE.

I ONLY HAVE ONE VERY SIMPLE THING. IT IS VERY, VERY SHORT, SWEET. SUN RAIL HAS BEEN HAVING A PROBLEM WITH OUR TAP ON CARDS. I HAVE BEEN OUT OF TOWN FOR ABOUT FOUR DAYS. I HAD A FAMILY REUNION THING UP IN NEW YORK. BY THE WAY DON'T FLY YOU WILL GET SICK. I CAME BACK WITH A COLD. BUT WHEN I GOT BACK, I GOT -- I WAS INFORMED THAT WE ARE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH OUR TAP ON, TAP OFF SYSTEMS, THE CABLE -- IT IS NOT WORKING. SOME PEOPLE ARE GETTING ON AND IT DOESN'T REGISTER, TAKE IT OUT OF THE CARD. IT IS NOT WORKING. I GOT A HOLD OF THE DOT AND SAID MS. DOWNS WHAT'S GOING ON. SHE INFORMED ME THAT THEY HAVE FOUND THAT THE PROBLEM IS A CABLE PROBLEM. THERE'S A RIPPED OR TORN CABLE OR A BROKEN CONNECTION BETWEEN THE MAIN HUB AND WHERE IT GOES TO THE MAIN SERVERS. SO, THE COMPANY IS THAT INSTALLED THIS EQUIPMENT, IS FINISHED -- IS GOING TO BE FIXING THIS STUFF, THESE CABLE LINES AND THEY SHOULD BE DONE BY CLOSE OF BUSINESS TOMORROW, I HAVE BEEN ASSURED. I WILL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. BUT IT IS ONLY BEEN A IF HE CANNING TWO DIFFERENT -- TWO STATIONS. IT HASN'T BEEN AFFECTING THE BERRY. YOU CAN GET ON AT THE BERRY BUT IF YOU WENT TO ONE OF THE OTHER STATIONS YOU WOULD GET OFF AT STATION AND GO DO YOUR ZMING IT WOULDN'T CHARGE YOU ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU TAPPED ON AT PERRY TAPPED OFF AT PERRY. WE WERE LOSING MONEY. THERE WAS -- CHANNEL 9 CAME AND ASKED ME BT AIT. I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT BEFORE. WE GOT THE SKINNY. WE FILLED IN THE PUBLIC. I WANTED TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW WE BEEN WORKING ON IT TRYING TO GET THAT FIXED DIRECTLY. THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES I HAVE BROUGHT UP TO MS. DOWNS. WE HAVE GOT SOME SHALL WE SAY HITCHHIKERS HOPPING ON THE TRAIN NOT PAYING FOR THEIR FARE. THAT'S BECAUSE THE STATIONS ARE ALL OPEN AND FREE. SNRO HAVE WE ACTUALLY TAKEN OVER THE STATION YET, MR. MANAGER? IS IT --

WE TRIED, WHAT PART OF IT IS IS THAT --

I KNOW WE HAVEN'T --

WE DIDN'T HAVE THE KEYS FOR A WHILE.

THOUGH I NOTICE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE. I HAVE TO TELL THE COUNCIL SOMETHING.

GO AHEAD.

TO INTERRUPT FOR JUST A SECOND. THAT IS I REALLY NEED TO BRING BACK -- I THINK I NEED TO DO IT ON THE CALENDAR SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COMMENT AND SAY CAN'T WE DID IT -- MR. KENNY BECAUSE HE'S GOING FURTHER WITH HIS INVESTIGATION, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE STARTING TO COME UP TO THE AMOUNT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND SO I AM GOING TO PUT ON THE CALENDAR, I AM GOING TO CONFER WITH HIM BUT PUT ON THE CALENDAR FOR AN INCREASE IN THE BUDGET SO THAT HE CAN BE COMPENSATED FOR HIS WORK. AS YOU KNOW, THE LAST MEETING EVERYONE TOLD HIM TO GO AHEAD. HE HAS GOT -- SO HIS COSTS HAVE GONE UP. I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I HAVE ENOUGH IN THE BUDGET TO PAY FOR THAT AND SO I THINK IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNCIL TO AGENDA IT. SO SOMEONE WANT KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T DO IT.

WILL MR. KENNY BE HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ASK SUM ISLY.

I CAN ASK HIM TO DO THAT.

BEFORE WE APPROVE THE INCREASE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIM PRESENT AN UPDATE I CAN ASK HIM, YEAH.

I M TRY TO GO BE VERY QUICK WITH THIS AND GET MORE OF AN UPDATE LATER ON FROM NORIANNA. WE ARE TRYING TO GET A MEETING OF THE RAIL COMMISSION AND 60 TO 90 DAYS SO WE KNOW WHAT THE REAL NUMBERS ARE. WE ARE NOT GOING BY GUESSING OR OH WE SAW THIS MANY CARS. WE WILL HAVE REAL FACTS, FIGURES AND NUMBERS. WE WILL DISCUSS IT AND TALK ABOUT SECURITY AND TALK ABOUT HITCHHIKERS AND HOW TO STOP THEM, MAYBE PUT A LITTLE SOMETHING TO SLOW DOWN THE THEFT OF RIDING. WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES WE DISCUSSED. WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT IN ABOUT 60 DAYS WHEN WE GET THE REAL NUMBERS IN. WITH THAT I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. ANYTHING ELSE.

MR. EBBING ERRED.

I -- YES ACTUALLY JUST TO RECORD TO YOU THAT THE GOVERNOR AND CABINET APPROVE THE SALE TO THE DOWN CITY OF THE LAND ON COLLIDE MORRIS ON THE MEETING ON TUESDAY. SHANNON ELLER, EXCUSE ME, SHANNON ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY REPRESENTED THE COUNTY AND WASH HER AND THE LINK ON THE -- YOU CAN WATCH A LINK IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO. I JUST WANTED TO REPORT TO YOU THAT ACTION WAS COMPLETED ON TUESDAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO, I SKIPPED MS. KUZAK. CLOSING MOMENTS. I'M SO SORRY. WE WERE JUST -- EVERYBODY IS IN A HURRY AND IT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET IN A HURRY.

I WAS GOING TO APOINT A PERSON FOR THE ADVERTISING AUTHORITY.

SURE.

THIS IS THE PERSON THAT WAS ALREADY ON IT AND WAS GOING OFF, BUT I DIDN'T BRING THE PERSON'S NAMES. [ LAUGHTER ]

I SHOULD HAVE JUST -- CAN I SHOULD HAVE KEPT GOING, SHOULDN'T I.

IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. I WILL JUST HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT TIME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S OKAY.

OKAY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS.

THANK YOU.

MARY ANN, HAVE YOU GOT SOMETHING? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE --

I JUST HAVE SOME MAPS I WILL DISTRIBUTE TO COUNTY DOWN CITY. IT WAS REQUESTED BY MR. WAGNER. IT IS THE PROPERTIES OUT ON INDIAN LAKE AND TIGER BAY OWNED BY THE COUNTY. I WILL DISTRIBUTE TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBER.

ALL RIGHT.

JUST ONE OTHER THING, MR. CHAIR IF I MAY. JUST A REMINDER THAT YOU HAVE THE MEETING WITH HOLLY HILL FOLLOWING THE TPO MEETING AT 10:30 OR AS SOON THEREAFTER AS TPO MEETING SHALL MEET SO SHALL CONCLUDE. MR. DANIELS I HAVE EXPLAINED IS UNVOIDABLELY OUT OF TOWN. HE'S REPRESENTING THE COUNTY ON OTHER BUSINESS. THAT COULDN'T BE RESOLVED. THE CITY DECIDE TODAY GO AHEAD WITH THE -- DECIDED TO GO AHEAD WITH THE MEETING. I HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.

IT IS ON MY SCHEDULE.

COULDN'T KEEP ME A WAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. WITH THAT WE WILL BE ADJOURNED UNTIL THE DATE OF JULY 3rd, 2014.

THERE WE GO. BE RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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