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UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
October 20-22, 2009
Sheraton Station Square
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 to Thursday, October 22, 2009
1.0 OPENING COMMENTS
1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check
The NonDestructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 8:03 a.m., 20-OCT-09.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
Name Company
|* |Stephen |Bauer |Northrop Grumman Corp. | |
|* |Mitch |Birzer |General Dynamics | |
|* |Alain |Bouchet |SAFRAN Group | |
| |Tho (Tom) |Bui |Honeywell Aerospace | |
|* |Juergen |Burchards |MTU Aero Engines | |
| |Zeljko |Calija |Goodrich Corporation | |
|* |Michael |Clark |Sikorsky Aircraft | |
|* |Richard |Costantino |Goodrich Aerostructures | |
| |Grant |Crawford |The Boeing Company | |
| |Michael |Daehling |Cessna Aircraft Company | |
| |Audie |Dickson |Goodrich Corporation | |
|* |Chris |Dootson |BAE Systems | |
| |Ward |Fong |309th Maintenance Wing - Hill AFB | |
| |Dieter |Frentzen |Goodrich Corporation | |
|* |Leo |Going |United Space Alliance | |
|* |Greg |Hall |Cessna Aircraft Company | |
| |Tim |Hayes |Hawker Beechcraft | |
|* |Sylvain |Héon |Bombardier Inc. | |
|* |Trevor |Hiscox |Airbus | |
| |Eddie |Hofer |Rockwell Collins | |
|* |Robert |Hogan |Honeywell Aerospace | |
|* |Edward |Hohman |Bell Helicopter Textron | |
| |Dennis |Jackson |Sikorsky Aircraft | |
|* |Phil |Keown |GE Aviation |Chairperson |
| |Dr. Hans |Hermann Kopp |MTU Aero Engines | |
| |Tim |Krumholz |Rockwell Collins | |
|* |Serge |Labbé |Heroux Devtek | |
|* |Ron |Levi |Lockheed Martin | |
|* |Donald |MacLean |Raytheon Co. | |
|* |Michael |Mitchell |Hamilton Sundstrand | |
|* |Dale |Norwood |Parker Aerospace | |
|* |Gary |O'Neill |Parker Aerospace | |
| |Doug |Prenovost |Northrop Grumman Corp. | |
|* |Robert |Rainone |Goodrich Corporation | |
|* |Carl |Roche |Textron Defense Systems | |
| |Michael |Rolland |Bombardier Inc. | |
|* |David |Royce |Pratt & Whitney |Secretary |
| |Daniel |Ryan |United Space Alliance | |
|* |Bobby |Scott |Bombardier Inc. | |
|* |Michael |Shiplett |Vought Aircraft | |
|* |Andy |Statham |Rolls-Royce plc |Vice Chairperson |
|* |Scott |Sullivan |Honeywell Aerospace |AQS Liaison |
| |Steve |Tooley |Rolls-Royce plc | |
|* |Peter |Torelli |The Boeing Company | |
|* |Louis |Truckley |The Boeing Company | |
|* |David |Vaughn |Spirit AeroSystems | |
| |Tony |Warren |Airbus | |
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
Name Company
| |John |Abrahams |RTI International Metals, Inc. | |
| |James |Ahlemeyer |Ducommun Aerostructures NY | |
| |Christopher |Andersen |PCC Structurals | |
| |Dan |Antus |Canton Drop Forge | |
| |Leandro |Aparicio |Advanced Coating Technique | |
| |Walter Jr |Asmus |Magnetic Inspection Laboratory | |
|* |Andy |Bakewell |E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd. | |
| |Gail |Bardelli |The Barden Corporation | |
| |Greg |Bolduc |GTI | |
|* |N. David |Campbell |West Penn Nondestructive Testing Labs | |
| |Jeff |Cerre |Globe Engineering | |
| |Jerry |Colombo |Precise Machining & Mfg. | |
| |Dwayne |Cooper |RTI International Metals, Inc. | |
| |Michael |Craghead |Ozark Mountain Technologies Inc. | |
| |Larry |Culbertson |Stork | |
|* |Robert |Custer |AAA Plating & Inspection, Inc. | |
| |Jim |DeChellis |West Penn Nondestructive Testing Labs | |
| |Fabienne |DuFour |Sherwin Babb Co. | |
|* |Paul |Evans |James Fisher IMS Ltd. | |
|* |Bill |Evridge |X-R-I Testing | |
| |Albert |Fletcher |West Penn Nondestructive Testing Labs | |
| |Ben |Flores |Applied Aerospace Structures Corp. | |
| |Sarah |Fuqua |Kearfott Guidance & Navigation Corp. | |
| |Michael J. |Guthmiller |Applied Aerospace Structures Corp. | |
| |Ballard |Hindman |Advanced Coating Technique | |
| |Randy |Hite |PCC Airfoils | |
| |Jim |Jensen |Moeller Mfg. Company | |
| |Jeff |Jones |Alloy Processing, Inc. | |
| |Greg |Judy |Team Industrial Services | |
| |George |Karelas |Master Metal Finishers | |
|* |Richard |King |New Hampshire Ball Bearings | |
| |Amanda |Kirchner |beyondRelations LLC | |
| |Richard |Kline |X-R-I Testing | |
| |Rick |Kowalczyk |X-R-I Testing | |
| |Karl |Lago |Tube Bends | |
| |Grant |Lilley |Meyer Tool, Inc | |
| |Bill |Lucas |Tactair Fluid Controls Inc. | |
|* |D.E. "Skip" |McDougall |Hitco Carbon Composites | |
| |Norm |Miller |Senior Aerospace, Ketema Division | |
|* |David |Mitchell |Mitchell Labs | |
|* |Alan |Parsons |Exova UK Ltd. | |
| |Scott |Peterson |beyondRelations LLC | |
| |Bryce |Pleake |Hytek Finishes | |
|* |Mark |Pompe |West Penn Nondestructive Testing Labs | |
| |Jonathan |Pugh |Exova UK Ltd. | |
| |John |Quesada |Corpus Christi Army Depot | |
| |Catherine |Renfer |ESCO Turbine Tech | |
|* |Cindy |Roth |Team Industrial Services | |
| |Guy |Saenz |Hi-Tech Metal Finishing | |
| |John |Save |Modern Drop Forge LLC | |
| |Tetyana |Shmyreva |Praxair Surface Technologies Ltd. | |
| |Scott |Singer |Imagineering Finishing Tech. | |
| |Tim |Sloan |Solar Atmospheres of Western PA | |
| |John |Smith |Sandvik Special Metals | |
|* |Greg |Smotherman |Ozark Mountain Technologies Inc. | |
|* |Ryan |Soule |Alcoa Power and Propulsion Howmet | |
| |Jackie |Sternot |PAKO, Inc. | |
| |Dawn |Stokes |PTI Industries Inc. | |
| |Debbie |Sykes |Hixson Metal Finishing | |
| |John |Tamashaitis |Kamatics Corporation | |
| |Mark |Tierney |Laboratory Testing Inc. | |
| |Marc |Trepanier |Composites Atlantic Ltd. | |
| |Debbie |Vogel |Triumph Actuation Systems | |
| |Mark |Warchol |Alcoa, Inc. | |
|* |Gary |White |Orbit Industry | |
| |Dale |Wilds |Solar Atmospheres of Western PA | |
| |John |Wilhelms |PCC/SMP Airfoils LLC | |
| |Sean |Wood |Triumph Actuation Systems | |
| |Brian |Yazumbek |Modern Drop Forge LLC | |
PRI Staff Present
| |Mark |Aubele | | |
| |Phil |Ford | | |
| |Mike |Gutridge | | |
| |Rhonda |Joseph | | |
| |Kellie |O’Connor | | |
1.2 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes / RAIL Review – OPEN
Motion made by Mike Mitchell & seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve the July 2009 minutes. Motion Passed
The minutes from July 2009 were approved as written.
The following RAIL items were reviewed: See 10.0 and 17.0
The Code of Ethics was reviewed.
2.0 Task Group Regular Business Items – CLOSED
Ray Cleghorn of The Boeing Company observed an audit and reported acceptable results. Russell Mobley of GE Aviation observed an audit.
Seven individuals from Rolls-Royce plc offered comments on their NUCAP audits.
Six Scope Extension audits were conducted.
Nine Auditor Advisories were issued in 2009.
There is currently one open Supplier Advisory.
Nine audits were failed by the Task Group, and of those two were overturned.
Twelve audits lapsed out of 704 or 1.7%.
NIP 6-01 was revised. A proposal to revise NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 was presented. The revision will allow for industry experts to be on an Ad-Hoc group if they are not members of the Task Group.
The current sub-committee members list was presented.
The current Ad-Hoc team list was presented.
“Unrestricted” Auditors can now be utilized for all audits. Several EC-LR issues have arisen due to the attachment of documents supporting the compliance section of audits. Discussion ensued on the topic of attaching documents to the audits.
Motion made by David Royce & seconded by Ed Holman to approve not attaching technical information pertaining to the compliance section of the audit. If Primes require the information, they should contact the Supplier directly. This is an effort to avoid EC-LR issues. Motion Passed
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue Auditor Advisory stating that documents for compliance jobs are no longer to be attached in the audit. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
3. Ethics and Appeals - Issues and Concerns – CLOSED
A Supplier has appealed two findings from an audit. The issue concerns a direct reference to specific paragraphs from industry documents in their procedures. The Task Group determined that not enough information is contained in the Written Practices to meet the Nadcap requirements.
Motion made by Bobby Scott & seconded by Dave Vaughn to uphold the findings. Motion Passed
4.0 Auditor Training Report– CLOSED
The topics covered in Auditor training were presented. Some items presented were Phased Array Ultrasonics, Digital Radiography and cultural differences.
5.0 Technical Discussions– CLOSED
The Annual Performance Review was discussed. Is it the intent of the Task Group that the specific part numbers that were reviewed be recorded? The Compliance Assessment Guidance will be revised to include the information required. Staff will make a proposal for the February 2010 meeting.
A request was made to the Aerospace Quality Systems (AQS) Task Group - Is it necessary to review calibration certificates to ensure accuracy and verify that all equipment was within calibration when equipment is calibrated by an internal calibration source? Both AC7004 and AS9100 require that records of the results of calibrations and verifications be maintained. There is no written requirement however, in the AQS system requiring review of those results.
The Task Group Language and Translation Control Instruction has been created. This proposal will provide instruction for approving translated documents, checklists, etc.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue determine next steps for the Language and Translation Control Instruction. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
Comments pertaining to the proposed checklist revisions were discussed.
6.0 Ad-hoc Team Report Out– CLOSED
See topics 10.0 and 17.0 for discussion involving Ad-Hoc Teams.
7.0 Supplements Discussion– CLOSED
This topic was not discussed.
8.0 New Business– CLOSED
Phil Ford and Andy Statham presented new Task Group Member training to the following: Tony Warren of Airbus, Tim Krumholz of Rockwell, Ward Fong of the 309th Maintenance Wing, and Daniel Ryan of United Space Alliance.
9.0 Chairman’s Briefing - Open
Ad-Hoc groups of the NMC were discussed. Groups are addressing flow down issues and standardization.
The issue of Auditor training will be spearheaded by the NDT Task Group, there currently isn’t a formal program for actual training in auditing. A training block will be proposed for new and current Auditors.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to investigate general Auditor technique training. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
Prime observation of audits is encouraged. The Nadcap Management Council (NMC) will be asking on the management level to allow Task Group members to do observation audits at least once a year. This may become a requirement of being a Task Group member.
A feedback form is now available for questions and feedback on meetings. This is an effort to strive for better meetings.
The NDT Task Group will complete approximately 1005 audits this year.
The logistics for the February 2010 meeting were given.
NASA and Aftermarket providers have expressed an interest in the program.
10.0 PRI Report / RAIL / NMC Metrics - open
The NDT Staff Report was presented.
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Staff delegation was presented and reviewed. No action is required.
Motion made by Pete Torelli & seconded by Mike Mitchell to approve the revision of NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 paragraph 4.2.1 allowing non-Task Group members to be members of an Ad-Hoc group. Motion Passed
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 on a letter ballot to the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
Motion made by Ryan Soule & seconded by Andy Statham to approve the proposed revision of NIP 6-01 Appendix NDT. Motion Passed
RAIL items that are open were reviewed. Update of Prime / Supplier voting members and Method Chairs will develop Audit training.
The cycle time for Suppliers with initial audits is in the red. Staff will investigate.
11.0 Supplier Report & Discussion - open
Gary White presented the Supplier Support Committee report
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12.0 Ad-hoc Panel Reports - open
Reports were presented on the following teams: Filmless Radiography and UT Phased Array.
The Filmless Radiography team is awaiting the release of the work being performed by the MAI II team, which is developing ASTM documents.
The UT Phased Array checklist was sent to the Task Group for a preliminary review and comments were received. The checklist will now be sent for ballot.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to ballot AC7114/3 with the added Phased Array questions. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
13.0 NDT Procedure Review and Revision - open
Several Nadcap procedures have been revised, including NIP 4-02, NIP 6-01, NIP 7-02, NIP 7-05, NIP 8-01, NOP-001, NOP-004, NOP-011, and NTGOP-001 Appendix 1.
The delinquency policy of NIP 7-03 has been changed from forty-five late days to thirty late days. Though late days are available if needed, too many late days may result in reduction in merit (more than seven results in a loss of twenty-four month merit; more than fourteen days results in a loss of eighteen month merit).
14.0 Technical Issues and Open Discussion Items - open
The Task Group Language and Translation Control Instruction has been created. This proposal will provide instruction for approving translated documents, checklists, etc. English is the official language for all audits, documents and correspondences.
ITAR/EAR issues – “Unrestricted” Auditors can now be utilized for all audits. Several EC-LR issues have arisen due to the attachment of documents supporting the compliance section of audits. Documents are no longer to be attached to audits reports to avoid potential EC-LR issues during audit review. Staff stated that no Auditor is allowed to remove documents from the Supplier given to them by the Supplier. All provided copies are to be returned to the Supplier by the end of the audit.
The conduct of Auditors during the audit and at close out meetings was discussed.
15.0 New Business - open
Proposed changes to the checklists were presented and discussed.
Motion made by Gary White & seconded by David Mitchell to approve Bob Custer as the SSC delegate for the NMC. Motion Passed
ACTION ITEM: Task Group to notify NMC of Bob Custer’s approval. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
The issue of the Annual Performance Review of Level 3’s was discussed. It is permissible for a “qualified” Level 2 to perform the review of the Level 3. The Compliance Assessment Guidance will be revised.
The new Nadcap Meeting Facilitation Feedback form was presented, reviewed, and completed.
16.0 Develop Agenda for Next Meeting - open
The next meeting with be in Rome on February 22-26, 2010. There will be the regular agenda items and also a workshop on NAS 410 rev C. Monday afternoon, 22-Feb-10, with be devoted to Supplements with the regular meetings starting Tuesday, 23-Feb-10. The open meeting will be Wednesday afternoon and conclude Thursday morning.
17.0 Review Action Items from Meeting (RAIL) - OPEN
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue Auditor Advisory stating that documents for compliance jobs are no longer to be attached in the audit. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue determine next steps for the Language and Translation Control Instruction. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to investigate general Auditor technique training. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to ballot AC7114/3 with the added Phased Array questions. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
ACTION ITEM: Task Group to notify NMC of Bob Custer’s approval. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 on a letter ballot to the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
ACTION ITEM: The items of clarification from the Supplier workshop need to be addressed. Bob Hogan and Scott Sullivan are to provide. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
ACTION ITEM: Staff to investigate the cycle time for Suppliers with initial audits is in the red. (DUE DATE: 30-Oct-30)
ACTION ITEM: Staff to send an email prior to meeting so that specific items can be addressed at that meeting. (DUE DATE: 18-Jan-10)
18.0 Supplement Ad-Hoc Team Discussion - closed
This topic was not discussed.
ADJOURNMENT – 22-OCT-09 – Meeting was adjourned at 12:08 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: David N. Royce, email: david.royce@pw.
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|Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one) |
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|YES* NO |
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|*If yes, the following information is required: |
|Documents requiring revision: |Who is responsible: |Due date: |
|NTGOP-001 Appendix I |Mike Gutridge |29-Jan-10 |
|NIP 6-01 Appendix NDT |Mike Gutridge |29-Jan-10 |
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