Public Comment Agenda

IPC

2015 GROUP A PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA SEPTEMBER 30 ? OCTOBER 5, 2015 LONG BEACH CONVENTION CENTER LONG BEACH, CA

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202 (New) Proposed Change as Submitted

Proponent : Janine Snyder, representing Plumbing, Mechanical, and Fuel Gas Code Action Committee (PMGCAC@)

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Add new definition as follows:

SECTION 202 DEFINITIONS

CLEAR-WATER WASTE. A water discharge from equipment that is translucent and devoid of solids.

Reason: There are frequent arguments within the plumbing indus try about what cons titutes clear-water was te. Some believe that s uch was te water mus t be as clear as potable water while others believe that is much too s evere of definition. The exis ting code s ections that us e the term clear-water was te are provided below. From the context of where the term is us ed in the code, it s hould be obvious that clearwater might not neces s arily be trans parent (like looking through window glas s ) but on the other hand, the water might be a little murky becaus e of s us pended s olids . In other words , trans lucent. The intent of including "devoid of s olids " is to identify applications where large particles floated along by the water will immediately drop out of the water. How big of s olids are of concern? The allowance in Section 802.3 for not having to provide a s trainer for clear-water was tes give a hint about the s olids s ize that does n't s eem to be an is s ue.

Sections in the IPC that us e the term "clear water was te:

709.4.1 Clear-water waste receptors. Where was te receptors s uch as floor drains , floor s inks and hub drains receive only clear-water was te from dis play cas es , refrigerated dis play cas es , ice bins , coolers and freezers , s uch receptors s hall have a drainage fixture unit value of one-half.

801.1 Scope. This chapter s hall govern matters concerning indirect was te piping and s pecial was tes . This chapter s hall further control matters concerning food-handling es tablis hments , s terilizers , clear-water was tes , s wimming pools , methods of providing air breaks or air gaps , and neutralizing devices for corros ive was tes .

802.1.3 Potable clear-water waste. Where devices and equipment, s uch as s terilizers and relief valves , dis charge potable water to the building drainage s ys tem, the dis charge s hall be through an indirect was te pipe by means of an air gap.

802.1.5 Nonpotable clear-water waste. Where devices and equipment s uch as proces s tanks , filters , drips and boilers dis charge nonpotable water to the building drainage s ys tem, the dis charge s hall be through an indirect was te pipe by means of an air break or an air gap.

802.2 Installation. Indirect was te piping s hall dis charge through an air gap or air break into a was te receptor. Was te receptors s hall be trapped and vented and s hall connect to the building drainage s ys tem. All indirect was te piping that exceeds 30 inches (762 mm) in developed length meas ured horizontally, or 54 inches (1372 mm) in total developed length, s hall be trapped.

Exception: Where a was te receptor receives only clear-water was te and does not directly connect to a s anitary drainage s ys tem, the receptor s hall

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not require a trap.

802.3 Waste receptors. For other than hub drains that receive only clearwater was te and s tandpipes , a removable s trainer or bas ket s hall cover the was te outlet of was te receptors . Was te receptors s hall not be ins talled in concealed s paces . Was te receptors s hall not be ins talled in plenums , crawl s paces , attics , inters titial s paces above ceilings and below floors . Ready acces s s hall be provided to was te receptors .

This propos al is s ubmitted by the ICC Plumbing, Mechanical and Fuel Gas Code Action Committee (PMGCAC) The PMGCAC was es tablis hed by the ICC Board of Directors to purs ue opportunities to improve and enhance as s igned International Codes or portions thereof. This includes both the technical as pects of the codes and the code content in terms of s cope and application of referenced s tandards . The PMGCAC has held one open meeting and multiple conference calls which included members of the PMGCAC. Interes ted parties als o participated in all conference calls to dis cus s and debate the propos ed changes . This is PMGCAC Item 19.

Cost Impact: Will not increas e the cos t of cons truction This propos al will not increas e the cos t of cons truction becaus e no additional labor, materials , equipment, appliances or devices are mandated beyond what is currently required by the code.

Public Hearing Results

P2-15 : 202-CLEARWATER WASTE (New)SNYDER3909

Committee Action:

Disapproved

Committee Reason: Was te and s oil are already clear in the code. There does n't need to be another definition for was te.

Assembly Action :

None

Individual Consideration Agenda

Public Comment 1:

Proponent : Janine Snyder, representing Plumbing, Mechanical and Fuel Gas Code Action Committee (PMGCAC@) requests Approve as Submitted.

Commenter's Reason: The term CLEAR WATER WASTE is us ed s ix times in the IPC and needs a definition to clarify what is intended by the code.

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202

Proposed Change as Submitted

Proponent : Janine Snyder, representing Plumbing, Mechanical, and Fuel Gas Code Action Committee (PMGCAC@)

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Delete without substitution:

SECTION 202 DEFINITIONS SWIMMING POOL. Any structure, basin, chamber or tank containing an artificial body of water for swimming, diving or recreational bathing having a depth of 2 feet (610 mm) or more at any point.

Reason: There is no need for s uch a s pecific definition for a s wimming pool within the context of how the term is us ed in the few places in the IPC. Water from a s wimming pool is handled in the s ame manner no matter how a s wimming pool is actually defined. And this definition conflicts with the definition of a s wimming pool according to the International Swimming Pool and Spa Code.

This propos al is s ubmitted by the ICC Plumbing, Mechanical and Fuel Gas Code Action Committee (PMGCAC) The PMGCAC was es tablis hed by the ICC Board of Directors to purs ue opportunities to improve and enhance as s igned International Codes or portions thereof. This includes both the technical as pects of the codes and the code content in terms of s cope and application of referenced s tandards . The PMGCAC has held one open meeting and multiple conference calls which included members of the PMGCAC. Interes ted parties als o participated in all conference calls to dis cus s and debate the propos ed changes . This is PMGCAC Item 85.

Cost Impact: Will not increas e the cos t of cons truction This propos al will not increas e the cos t of cons truction becaus e no additional labor, materials , equipment, appliances or devices are mandated beyond what is currently required by the code.

Public Hearing Results

P7-15 : 202-SWIMMING POOL-SNYDER3914

Committee Action:

Disapproved

Committee Reason: The IPC needs a definition for a pool. Perhaps the IPSPSC definition s hould be us ed ins tead of the current definition.

Assembly Action :

None

Individual Consideration Agenda

Public Comment 1:

Proponent : Janine Snyder, representing Plumbing, Mechanical and Fuel Gas Code Committee (PMGCAC@) requests Approve as Modified by this Public Comment.

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Modify as Follows:

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SECTION 202 DEFINITIONS

SWIMMING POOL A permanent or temporary structure that is intended to be used for swimming, bathing or wading and that is designed and manufactured or built to be connected to a circulation system. A swimming pool can be open to the public regardless of whether a fee is charged for its use or can be accessory to a residential setting where the pool is available only to the household and guests of the household.

Commenter's Reason: The Committee recommended that the IPC retain a definition for SWIMMING POOL and s ugges ted that the definition in the ISPSC be us ed ins tead of the current definition. The ISPSC does not have a definition for SWIMMING POOL but does have the following definitions :

PUBLIC SWIMMING POOL (Public Pool). A pool, other than a res idential pool, that is intended to the us ed for s wimming or bathing and is operated by an owner, les s ee, operator, licens ee or conces s ionaire, reagrdles s of whether a fee is charged for us e.

RESIDENTIAL SWIMMING POOL (Residential Pool). A pool intended for us e which is acces s ory to a res idential s etting and available only to the hous ehold and its gues ts .

Thes e ISPSC definitions are not very informative with res pect to how the term SWIMMING POOL is us ed in the IPC (swimming pool is italicized and bolded in the following only for the purpos es of this public comment s tatement):

423.1 Water connections.Baptis teries , ornamental and lily pools , aquariums , ornamental fountain bas ins , swimming pools, and s imilar cons tructions , where provided with water s upplies , s hall be protected agains t backflow in accordance with Section 608.

612.1 Solar systems.The cons truction, ins tallation, alterations and repair of s ys tems , equipment and appliances intended to utilize s olar energy for s pace heating or cooling, domes tic hot water heating, swimming pool heating or proces s heating s hall be in accordance with the International Mechanical Code. 801.1 Scope. This chapter s hall govern matters concerning indirect was te piping and s pecial was tes . This chapter s hall further control matters concerning food-handling es tablis hments , s terilizers , clear-water was tes , swimming pools, methods of providing air breaks or air gaps , and neutralizing devices for corros ive was tes .

802.1.4 Swimming pools. Where was te water from swimming pools, backwas h from filters and water from pool deck drains dis charge to the building drainage s ys tem, the dis charge s hall be through an indirect was te pipe by means of an air gap.

1302.2 Sources. Ons ite nonpotable water reus e s ys tems s hall collect was te dis charge from only the following s ources : bathtubs , s howers , lavatories , clothes was hers , and laundry trays . Water from other approved nonpotable s ources including swimming pool backwas h operations , air conditioner condens ate, rainwater, cooling tower blow-down water, foundation drain water, s team s ys tem condens ate, fluid cooler dis charge water, food s teamer dis charge water, combination oven dis charge water, indus trial proces s water, and fire pump tes t water s hall als o be permitted to be collected for reus e by ons ite nonpotable water reus e s ys tems , as approved by the code official and as appropriate for the intended application.

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The Scope of the ISPSC (Section 101.2) offers additional information about pools that can add clarity for a more meaningful SWIMMING POOL definition:

101.2 Scope.The provis ions of this code s hall apply to the cons truction, alteration, movement, renovation, replacement, repair and maintenance of aquatic recreation facilities , pools and s pas . The pools and s pas covered by this code are either permanent or temporary, and s hall be only thos e that are des igned and manufactured to be connected to a circulation s ys tem and that are intended for s wimming, bathing or wading. The propos ed new IPC definition for SWIMMING POOL propos ed in this Public Comment is derived from the ISPSC Scope s ection and the Public and Res idential pool definitions . This definition is the bes t that the PMGCAC can do to comply with Committee's recommendation to replace the current definiton with the "ISPSC definition" of swimming pool.

Note however, having this ISPSC-bas ed definition might not add any clarity or ins ight into the meaning of the IPC s ections us ing the defined term. This rais es the ques tion as to whether a definition for s wimming pool is needed at all to clarify enforcement of the s ections in the IPC. Does the new definition s omehow limit the extent of coverage that the code s ections are intended to cover?

If the voters want the propos ed definition, then the PMGCAC does not s ee any immediate concerns with us ing the propos ed definition.

However, if the voters do not want the propos ed definition, the PMGCAC s trongly recommends that a motion be made for As Submitted for removal of the current definition. The current definition is not appropriate nor is it in alignment with how the ISPSC covers pools , es pecially wading pools . ISPSC Section 405.4 limits wading pool depth to a maximum depth of 18 inches . The current IPC definition for swimming poolwould prevent wading pools from being witin the s cope of the IPC s ections that us e the term swimming pool. The PMGCAC believes that is not the intent of the IPC s ections . The IPC would be better off without a definition as oppos ed to an improper and a limiting definition.

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303.5 (New) Proposed Change as Submitted

Proponent : Bill LeVan, Cast iron Soil Pipe Institute, representing Cast Iron Soil Pipe Institute (blevan@)

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Add new text as follows:

303.5 Cast iron soil pipe, fittings and components Cast iron soil pipes and fittings, and the couplings used to join these products together, shall be third party listed and labeled. Third party certifiers or inspectors shall comply wih the minimum inspection requirements of Annex A or Annex A1 of the ASTM and CISPI product standards indicated in the code for such products.

Reason: Third Party ins pections of manufacturers of cas t iron s oil pipes and fittings and the couplings us ed to join thes es products together are required however not all third party ins pectors are familair with thes e es s ential items which mus t be ins pected to as ure complaince. The ASTM and CISPI s tandards were modified adding the minimum requirements which are reas onable and to minimize manufacturing defects . The ASTM and CISPI committees worked clos ely wih third party certifiers to develop thes e ins pection s chemes .

Cost Impact: Will not increas e the cos t of cons truction Improved ins pection prodcedures at the manufacturing locations will reduce the amount of defects on jobs ites before the ins talaltion is begun and reduce the amount of time needed for ins talaltion.

Public Hearing Results

P9-15 : 303.5 (New)LEVAN4523

Committee Action:

Approved as Submitted

Committee Reason: There needs to be emphas is on ens uring quality of the thes e pipe materials . The Annex in the ASTM s tandards provides additional requirements to ens ure a quality product.

Assembly Motion: Online Vote Results: Support: 58.97% (92) Oppose: 41.03% (64) Assembly Action :

Disapprove Successful

Disapproved

Individual Consideration Agenda

Public Comment 1:

Proponent : Assembly Action requests Disapprove.

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