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I JUST GOT TO WAIT A MINUTE, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE RECORD HERE. OKAY, WE ARE NOW ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. TODAY IS THE 7th OF MAY, 2015. THIS IS THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION OF THE VOLUSIA COUNTY CONE MEETINGS. FIRST THINGS FIRST, BEFORE I READ THE DISCLAIMER WE HAVE, IF YOU ARE STANDING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM HERE, AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SEAT, THERE IS AMPLE SEATING DOWNSTAIRS IN THE TRAINING ROOM. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, I'LL GIVE YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO COME UP THE STAIRS AND SIT IN THE FRONT ROW HERE, SO YOU'LL BE READY. IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, PLEASE BE COMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE. YES, WE DO HAVE VIDEO AND AUDIO. THIS IS A VERY RARE OCCASION WE ARE VIDEOING THIS. ALSO, THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE STANDING IN THE BACK, IF YOU'LL NOTICE WE HAVE SEVERAL NEWS MEDIA CAMERAS OUT HERE, SO PLEASE, YOU CAN'T BE BACK THERE HAVING A CONVERSATION, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY QUIET. BACK TO THE NORMAL BUSINESS, THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL WELCOMES YOUR INVOLVEMENT AND IS INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SLIP AND INDICATE IN THE SUBJECT LINE THE ISSUE YOU WISH TO ADDRESS. YOU MAY USE THE BACK IF YOU HAVE TO. AFTER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED BY THE COUNTY CHAIR, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS. YOU MAY SPEAK UP TO THREE MINUTES, EITHER DURING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OR WHEN AN AGENDA ITEM IS HEARD. WHICH MEANS YOU GET TO SPEAK AT EITHER/OR, NOT BOTH. THE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS DURING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. PLEASE BE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL OF THE VIEWS OF OTHERS. PERSONAL ATTACKS ON COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNTY STAFF OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE NOT ALLOWED. VERY WELL. WITH ALL THAT, GOOD MORNING AND LET'S GET RIGHT TO THIS. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL MR. THOMAS PAJACK, I UNDERSTAND YOUR WIFE HAS A DISABILITY. COME ON AROUND AND LET'S GET YOU SETTLED. FIRST PERSON UP, MR. JOHN VAN DORF. AND AFTER MR. JOHN VAN DORK, MORT CULIGAN. PEOPLE CALLING THESE NAMES SINCE WE HAVE A LOT, SO THEY CAN COME UP FRONT WHERE IT'S EASY TO GET TO THE MICROPHONE. DR.MICHAEL WALDNER? IS THAT CORRECT? COME UP AND HAVE A SEAT. JENNIFER STAG.

JOHN NICKELSON AND I THINK THAT SHOULD DO IT. THAT'S ALL THE PEOPLE WE HAVE FOR MORNING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THIS MAY TAKE OUR FULL-TIME. MR.VAN DORF. I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE A FIREFIGHTER?

NO.

PAST FIREFIGHTER?

PAST COUNTY EMPLOYEE, CORRECTIONS.

OKAY, GOOD.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE FIREFIGHTERS.

I NOTICED YOU DIDN'T HAVE AN ADDRESS.

PAST LAW ENFORCEMENT.

GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND POSITION.

JOHN VAN DORF, FROM ORMOND BEACH. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRE FUND.

THREE MINUTES ON THE CLOCK, PLEASE. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

AS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER I WAS HERE A MONTH AGO SPEAKING ABOUT THE FIRE FUND. THE COUNTY WISHES TO RAISE TAXES ON UNINCORPORATED TAXES TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY FUND. I THINK Y'ALL ARE TAKING THAT UP AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. EARLIER THIS YEAR YOU HAD MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHY THIS TAX HAS TO GO UP ON THE UNINCORPORATED TAXPAYERS. I CAME HERE LAST MONTH AND ARTICULATING AN ARGUMENT THAT THE FIRE FUND IS BEING RATED TO COVER EVAC SHORT FALLS. I ATTENDED ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND MR. RECKONWALL, WHO SUPERVISES E VAC CONFIRMED ON VIDEO THIS FUND IS USED TO COVER SHORT FALLS IN E VAC. THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT IS E VAC IS A COUNTY WIDE SERVICE AND A SHORT FALL THAT HAPPENS IN SAY, NEW SMYRNA BEACH, SOMEONE DOESN'T PAY THEIR E VAC BILL, IT COMES OUT OF THE COUNTY FIRE FUND. LAST MONTH WHEN I WAS HERE THE COUNTY MANAGER ASSURED THIS BODY AND ME THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE. HE HAD PROOF. I THINK THAT'S HIS EXACT WORDS. I MADE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST REQUESTING THAT PROOF. VIA E-MAIL. A MONTH HAS PASSED AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN MY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. I JUST WANT TO SEE MR. DINNEEN'S PROOF. I THOUGHT I'D COME HERE TODAY AND MAKE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST IN THE PUBLIC, ON THE RECORD, FOR MR. DINNEEN'S PROOF THAT THE COUNTY FIRE FUND SUPPORTED BY UNINCORPORATED TAXPAYERS IS NOT BEING RATED TO SUPPORT EVAC SHORT FALLS, AS MR. RECKONWALL, THE PUBLIC PROTECTION DIRECTOR, HAS SAID ON VIDEO TWICE. IN FACT, I BELIEVE, IF MY OPINION IS RIGHT, HE CONFIRMED IT THE SECOND TIME A MONTH AGO, IN FRONT OF THIS BODY, THAT IT WAS BEING USED. THAT IS ALL. JUST WANT MY PUBLIC RECORDS. IF I COULD GET THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

MR. MARK CULLIGAN. YOU KNOW THE RULES.

EXCUSE ME.

MY NAME IS MORETON CULIGAN. IT'S A CITY THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT ALL. IT'S A CITY INCAPABLE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SUN RAIL HAS BEEN IN DE BARRY OVER TWO YEARS AND NOT ONE PROJECT HAS STARTED IN THE AREA. IT LOOKS LIKE A TIME WARP FROM THE 170s. IT'S AN -- 1970s. IT'S AN EMBARRASSES. IT'S HAND STRUNG WITH ORDINANCES AND CODES LEAVING LAND OWNERS WITH, COMMERCIAL LAND OWNERS WITH NOTHING TO DO. THEY CAN'T DEVELOP ANYTHING. EIGHT YEARS AGO DE BARRY HAD A LAND OWNER TRY TO DEVELOP A HOKAH ROOM, DE BARRY TURNED THAT DOWN. THEY CAN'T EVEN OPEN A SMALL WAL-MART WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A LAWSUIT. EVEN WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL VOTES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE CITY SUES AGAINST IT. DE BARRY IS DOMINATED WITH A CITY THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT TALKS THE TALK, BUT CANNOT WALK THE WALK. IT IS A CITY THAT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE, DOESN'T CARE ABOUT JOBS, REVENUE OR ANYTHING ELSE. IT CARES ABOUT ITS RIDICULOUS SMALL TOWN ATMOSPHERE. DE BARRY LAST NIGHT REFUSED TO EVEN ADJUST ITS CODES TO ADVANCE THE DE BARRY DESTINATION PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST PROJECT TO OPEN UP IN THE SUN RAIL AREA ON 1792. OF COURSE THEY FAILED THERE AGAIN, BECAUSE THE CITY OF DE BARRY CITY COUNCIL IS A FAILURE. DE BARRY HAS VERY LITTLE REPRESENTATION IN THE COUNTY AND ACTUALLY IT DESERVES NONE. SPEAKING ON ECONOMIC TERMS, IT'S A CITY TO BE ASHAMED OF. IT'S A BLIGHT ON THE COUNTY AND REFUSES TO IMPROVE ITSELF AND JOIN THE 21st CENTURY.

THANK YOU, SIR. DR.WALTER WALLDEN. SAY IT AGAIN? WELL, YOU'LL SAY IT ON THE RECORD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

DR. WALTER WALLDEN IN ORMOND BEACH, FLORIDA.

PLEASE BEGIN. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE HOPEFULLY A NONPARTISAN, NONCONTROVERSIAL ISSUE AND THAT IS FLORIDA PACE e-VEST FUNDING. THE FLORIDA PACE PROMISE IS A CLEAN ENERGY PROGRAM. IT PROVIDES LOW INTEREST RATE FUNDING FOR HOMEOWNERS, BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, TO IMPROVE PROPERTIES EITHER THROUGH AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY OR HURRICANE DISASTER PREVENTION, STRONGER ROOFS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A BENEFIT TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, BUSINESS OWNERS, HOMEOWNERS, BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT HELPS -- IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS CLEARLY A BIG ISSUE IN OUR COUNTY AND THIS HELPS PROVIDE, IT'S A STATE FUND OF ABOUT $200 MILLION CURRENTLY. I WAS TOLD AS A HOMEOWNER TO TAP INTO THESE FUNDS. NO MATCHING COST FOR THE COUNTY, NO LIABLE FOR THE COUNTY. IT'S JUST A POOL OF MONEY THE STATE FILLS FROM TAX ASSESSMENT. AND ALL THE STATE HAS TO DO IS APPLY TO BE AVAILABLE, ELIGIBLE RECIPIENT FOR THESE FUNDS AND THE MONEY CAN HELP PUT CONTRACTORS TO WORK, RAISE PROPERTY VALUES, WHICH AGAIN, WILL BE A BENEFIT TO INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS SUCH AS MYSELF NEEDING TO DO REPAIRS ON AN OLDER HOME WITH A ROOF, AND ALSO HELP THE CAUSE OF DOMESTIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COUNTY. IT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD I WAS TOLD TO APPLY FOR THIS. SO I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO DO SO AS WELL. I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY MANAGER, THREE COUNCIL PEOPLE, AND HAVE YET TO RECEIVE A RESPONSE. SO FOR THE GOOD OF VOLUSIA COUNTY I'M HOPING THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT CAN LOOK SERIOUSLY AT. FRIEND OF MY, JENNIFER STAG, WHO IS SENIOR MANAGER FOR FLAGLER MANAGEMENT WAS KIND ENOUGH TO COME WITH MARY ME TODAY TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE.

THANK YOU, DOCTOR. MRS.STAG, YOU'RE NEXT.

GOOD MORNING, JENNIFER STAG. I AM A RESIDENT OF FLAGLER COUNTY. I WORK FOR FLAGLER COUNTY GOVERNMENT, 1769 EAST MOODY BOULEVARD IN BUNELL, FLORIDA. I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE BENEFITS OF THE PROGRAM. FLAGLER COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE ISSUES. THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WHOLE HEARTEDLY EMBRACED IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP THE RESIDENTS IMPROVE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, TO IMPROVE BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, FAITH BASED. SO AS I SAID, OR AS IT WAS STATED, IT'S NO LIABILITY TO THE COUNTY. IT JUST SIMPLY IS AN AGREEMENT THE COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO ENTER INTO WITH THE e-PACE REPRESENT iS. WE HAVE CONTACTS AVAILABLE, SO IF SOMEONE FROM THE COUNCIL COULD GET BACK IN TOUCH WITH US THAT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED AND GLAD TO GIVE YOU ANY MORE INFORMATION TO HELP SUPPORT THIS CAUSE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT, NOW, THE NEXT TWO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 2, BUT THEY'RE SPEAKING NOW BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STAY FOR THE MEETING. SO JOHN NICHOLSON, MICKELSON?

NO, YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG.

HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME?

NO -- [INAUDIBLE] --

THIS IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE?

[INAUDIBLE]

COME ON UP. THIS IS YOUR TIME.

JOHN NICKELSON, 413 NORTH GRAND VIEW AVENUE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEACH DRIVING. THIS IS ABOUT A PARK. UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN MIAMI, MY MOTHER IS 90 AND SHE LIKES THIS PARK, TROPICAL PARK. USED TO BE AN OLD HORSE RACING TRACK. THE COUNTY TOOK IT, BOUGHT IT, AND ADDED ALL KINDS OF AMENITIES. THIS COUNTY, DADE

COUNTY, WAS VERY FORWARD THINKING, 50, 60 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY ACQUIRED PROPERTY IN ADVANCE. WHEN DEVELOPERS CAME IN, THEY WERE TO SET ASIDE LAND FOR PARKS. IF IT WAS IN AN AREA THAT WOULD CREATE 10,000 HOMES, THEY HAD TO CONTRIBUTE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO BUY A PARCEL SO IT COULD BE A PARK, SO THE COUNTY DID NOT HAVE TO PURCHASE THE AMENTS FOR THOSE AREAS. THE SCHOOL BOARD DID THE SAME THING. THE DEVELOPERS, IF THEY WERE GOING TO PUT IN 10,000 HOMES, HAD TO PUT IN X AMOUNT OF LANDS FOR THE HOMES THOSE SCHOOLS WOULD GENERATE. WE DO HAVE SOME KIND OF PROGRAMS FOR THAT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT FUNDS, I ASK THAT WE SET ASIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LAND. THE COUNTY IN TROPICAL PARK HAS 275 ACRES. I BROUGHT YOU THESE, I WAS TOLD I COULDN'T GIVE IT TO YOU UNTIL NOW, SO I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU AT THE END OF MY SPEECH, THEY HAVE AMENITIES LIKE SOCCER FIELD, FOUR FOR ADULTS, FOUR FOR KIDS. BASEBALL FIELDS, FOUR FOR KIDS, FOUR FOR ADULTS. BASEBALL DIAMOND, E QUEST RAIN, FISHING, BOATING, ET CETERA. I'M ASKING THE COUNTY TO CONSIDER IN ALL THE LAND THAT'S VACANT -- [INAUDIBLE] -- WENT TO THE CITY LAST NIGHT TO ASK FOR THINGS. FIND A WAY OF ACQUIRING 300 ACRES TO DO THE SAME THING THEY HAVE HERE, SO FUTURE GENERATIONS CAN GO TO THE LOCATION AND HAVE ALL OF THE AMENITIES, RATHER THAN HAVING A LITTLE BIT HERE, LITTLE BIT THERE, LITTLE BIT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEIR PAVILIONS THERE, I WAS THERE LAST WEEKEND, THERE WERE 17 PAVILIONS BEING USED FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND GATHERINGS. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SPACES FOR THEM TO CELEBRATE BIRTHDAYS, HANUKKAH, WHATEVER. WE NEED THE SPACE. I'M ASKING YOU WE SET ASIDE LAND FOR PARKS AND ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND ESPECIALLY THIS LARGE ONE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. NO, YOU GIVE THEM DIRECTLY TO STAFF. MRS.ZIMMERMAN. NO, WAY OVER THERE. WAY OVER. ALL RIGHT. LAST PERSON UP IS MR. THOMAS PAJEK. ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY? OKAY, SEEING NO MOTION, WE'LL FINISH WITH YOU, SIR. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GOOD MORNING. WE LIVE IN DELTONA, 890 WEST GOUCHO CIRCLE. WE PAY OUR TAXES AND ELECT FINE PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON OUR BEHALF. SUSAN IS DISABLED, SHE HAS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS. SUSAN GETS TO WALK THE BEACH, EVEN WITH HER LIMITED MOBILITY. THIS HAS BECOME PART OF HER ONGOING THERAPY. SHE IS SAFE AND HAS ACCESS TO THE VEHICLE. THEY ALL CANNOT BE HERE TODAY, BUT I CAN, SO I'LL SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. I'M SUSAN'S MATE. I'M HER CARE GIVER AND PROTECTER. IT'S POSSIBLE SOME DAY YOU OR ONE OF YOUR LOVED ONES WILL BE IN MY POSITION. I WANT TO READ AN EXCEPT FROM THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACTS. A PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION SHALL NOT SUBJECT AN INDIVIDUAL OR CLASS OF INDIVIDUALS ON THE BASIS OF A DISABILITY OR DISABILITIES OF SUCH INDIVIDUAL OR CLASS DIRECTLY OR THROUGH CONTRACTUAL LICENSING OR ANY OTHER ARRANGEMENT. TO A DENIAL OF THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR CLASS TO PARTICIPATE IN OR BENEFIT FROM THE GOODS, SERVICES, FACILITIES, PRIVILEGES, ADVANTAGES, OR ACCOMMODATIONS OF A PLACE OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION. SECONDLY, WITH REGARDS TO PRIVATE SUITS, ANY PERSON SUBJECTED TO DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF DISABILITY IN VIOLATION OF THE ACT OR THIS OR ANY PART WHO HAS REASONABLE GROUNDS FOR BELIEVING SUCH A PERSON IS ABOUT TO BE SUBJECTED TO DISCRIMINATION IN VIOLATION OF THE ACT IN PART, MAY INSTITUTE A CIVIL ACTION FOR RELIEF, INCLUDING APPLICATION FOR A PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY INJUNCTION RESTRAINING ORDER OR OTHER ORDER. UPON TIMELY APPLICATION THE COURT MAY PERMIT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO INTERVENE IN A CIVIL ACTION. THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT IS NOT A CITY LAW, NOR STATE LAW. IT IS A FEDERAL LAW. IF YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS MEASURE TO CLOSE BEACH DRIVING, I BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD BE KNOWINGLY, WILLFULLY IN VIOLATION OF THIS FEDERAL LAW AND VIOLATING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF DISABLED AS A GROUP. MANY DISABLED PEOPLE LEAD SHELTERED LIVES BECAUSE OF THEIR DISABILITY AND UNABLE TO ENJOY MOST OF THE THINGS WE TAKE FOR GRANTED. TO DRIVE ON THE BEACH, PARK, GET OUT OF THEIR CARS IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT IS LIBERATING, INVIGORATING AND EMPOWERING. WHICH OF YOU WOULD DEPRIVE ANY OF THEM OF THIS SIMPLE FREEDOM? THEY ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS, TOO. ARE THEY TO BE CAST ASIDE BECAUSE THEY ARE DISABLED OR ELDERLY? DO THEY NO LONGER COUNT? I ASK YOU TO ADVOCATE FOR THEM AND THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE AND RIGHTS. WHEN YOU RAN FOR THIS POSITION, YOU DID NOT HAVE TO BUY THE SUPPORT OF THE DISABLED. THEY GAVE IT TO YOU. DON'T ALLOW THOSE WITH POWER AND PRIVILEGE BUY YOUR VOTE TODAY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. WE WILL MAINTAIN ORDER IN THESE CHAMBERS. DON'T DO THAT, FOLKS. PLEASE DON'T. IF WE HAVE ANOTHER OUTBURST LIKE THAT DURING THE MEETING, I WILL HAVE TO CLEAR THE CHAMBERS, SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WITH THAT, WE WILL BE IN RECESS FOR 13 MINUTES UNTIL 9:00. [ RECESS ]

CHAMBERS WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER. GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I HAD TO SPEAK UP, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE IN THE ROOM TODAY. SO, SORRY FOR THAT. GOOD MORNING. TODAY'S DATE IS MAY 7, 2015. THIS IS THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING. A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

YES, SIR. MS. DENYS. MR. LOWERY. MR. PATTERSON, MR. WAGNER. MS. CUSACK. MR. DANIELS. MR. DAVIS. ALL PRESENT.

THANK YOU. WHERE IS MS. DENYS? I HEARD HER. OKAY, IF WE COULD MAKE WAY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER COMES BACK HERE. THERE WE GO. I HEARD YOU AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET UP. ALREADY, TODAY'S INVOCATION AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY FATHER JOSEPH SAMAAN FROM THE ST. DEMETRIUS GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD PLEASE RISE.

OH, GOD, JESUS CHRIST, OUR GOD, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD, YOU LOVED WORLD. YOU HAVE COME FOR THE SALVATION OF YOUR CREATION. YOU ARE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD. THE ONLY TRUE LIGHT THAT ILL LUMENS THE DARKNESS. WE SUPPLICATE YOU TO BLESS ALL OF YOUR SERVANTS WHO ARE PRESENT HERE, ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR NEIGHBORS, AND COWORKERS. REMEMBER, LORD, OUR GOD, ALL OF YOUR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ASKED US TO PRAY FOR THEM. REMEMBER YOUR PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE IN MIND AND THOSE WHOM WE HAVE FAILED OR NEGLECTED TO REMEMBER. REMEMBER, LORD, WITH YOUR MERCY, ALL OF YOUR SERVANTS WHO ARE IN NEED OF YOUR MERCY. ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE NOBODY ELSE TO PRAY FOR THEM. VISIT IN YOUR MERCY THE POOR, THE SINGLE PARENTS, THE OR FANS, THE--THE ORPHANS, THE PRISONERS, THE MENTALLY ILL, THE JOBLESS, THE NEEDY, THE HOMELESS. THE REJECTED. THE VICTIM OF THE CRIMES, EXTORTIONS, AND THE OUTCASTS. EXTEND YOUR HAND TO COMFORT THOSE WHO SUFFER FROM ADDICTION, DEPRESSION, THE HOPELESS AND THE HELPLESS. COMFORT AN EASE THE PAIN OF THOSE WHO ARE VICTIMS OF WARS, ATROCITIES, PERSECUTION, AND OPPRESSION. COME AND VISIT OUR CITY, OUR NATION, AND YOUR ENTIRE WORLD WITH YOUR MERCY, COMPASSION, AND LOVE. BLESS THIS MEETING AND ALL OF YOUR SERVANTS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. LET YOUR PEACE AND GENTLE SPIRIT COME AND VISIT US TO GUIDE US IN YOUR PRECEPTS. CAST YOUR DIVINE LIGHT INTO THE HEARTS, MINDS, AND SOULS OF YOUR SERVANTS, THE COUNCIL PEOPLE WHO CARE FOR THE AFFAIRS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ENTRUSTED TO THEIR HANDS. SHINE INSIDE THEIR HEARTS THE KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR TRUTH. SHIELD THEM WITH THE PROTECTION OF THE WORD OF YOUR HOLY REVELATION. DEFEND THEM WITH YOUR LEGIONS OF ANGELS. PROTECT THIS MEETING AND ALL OTHER MEETINGS FROM EVERY O POSING AND DESTRUCTIVE SPIRIT, BRING CONSOLATION TO THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE, SO ALL OF US CAN LIVE IN HARMONY, PEACE, AND LOVE WITH EACH OTHER. GIVE US UNDER STANDING TO FEEL AND COMPREHEND THE PAIN AND THE NEED OF EACH OTHER. AND TO RESPOND TO IT WITH GENTLENESS AND UNDERSTANDING. UNITE US WITH ONE MINDS AND WITH ONE HEART THROUGH YOUR DIVINE GRACE, SO THAT THROUGH THIS UNITY YOUR LOVE AND PEACE MAY PREVAIL AMONG US AND THROUGH US TO ALL OF YOUR PEOPLE. LORD, PLEASE LISTEN TO OUR PRAYERS BECAUSE WE CALLED UPON YOUR GREAT AND HOLY NAME AND HAVE JOINED OUR PRAYERS TO THE SUPPLICATIONS OF ALL OF YOUR HOLY PEOPLE, WHO THROUGHOUT THE ANALES HAVE PLEASED YOU AND GAINED YOUR FAVOR. FOR YOUR NAME IS HONORED AND GLORIFIED BY ALL THE POWERS OF HEAVEN, FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT, TO WHOM BELONG ALL GLORY, HONOR, AND WORSHIP, UNTO THE AGES OF AGES. AMEN.

THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PLEASE BE SEATED.

OKAY. OKAY. WE NOW WILL PULL OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN. NUMBER 15, ITEM NUMBER 33, ITEM NUMBER 34 IF YOU ARE IN THE AUDIENCE AND HERE TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS. THEY WILL NOT BE ADDRESSED TODAY. YOU CAN LEAVE IF YOU WOULD LIKE OR YOU CAN STICK AROUND IF YOU WOULD LIKE. SO, DID YOU GET THE NUMBERS MR. WAGNER? OKAY. FOR VARIOUS REASONS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HEAR THEM TODAY. OKAY? OKAY. SO WITH THAT STATED, WHERE IS MY INK PEN? MS. DENYS, ANY ITEMS TO PULL?

YES, MR. CHAIR, I AM GOING TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES NUMBER 25, REFERENCING THE PARK AND OUR FISHING PEER GRANT APPLICATION FOR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU.

ITEM 25 SHALL BE PULLED. MR. LOWERY.

NONE.

MR. PATTERSON. MR. WAGNER. MS. CUSACK.

I NONE, MR. CHAIR.

MR. DANIELS AND THE CHAIR PULLS NONE. SO ITEM 25 SHALL BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION AND IT IS THE DUNES GRANT APPLICATION. WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AFTER WE FINISH OUR NORMAL ITEMS. SO WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOMENT.

MOVE APPROVAL.

MOTION OF APREYFUL FOR THE REMAINDER BY MR. WAGNER AND A SECOND BY A MR. PATTERSON. MR. PATTERSON, ARE YOU OKAY?

HE IS OKAY. YES, BUT THE CHAIR IS BROKEN. OKAY, BACK TO BUSINESS, IF WE MAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MR. WAGNER. A SECOND BY MR. PATTERSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ITEM NUMB 25* WILL BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT, ON NUMBER ONE, THE MINUTES OF MARCH 19, 2015, APRIL 22, 2015 COUNTY COUNCIL MEETINGS. IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THEM OR CHANGES, EDITS.

MOVE APPROVAL.

SECOND.

A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. DENYS. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. AND SO CARRYIED. ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE SHALL KNOW OCCUPY UP A PUBLISH HEARING, STAFF REPORT ON ORDNANCES 2015/07 # 08, PROVIDING FOR TRAFFIC FREE ZONES ON THE BEACH. MR. DENNIEEN, ARE YOU STARTING THE CONNIVERY SIX?

YES--CONVERSATION?

YES, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS ACTUALLY ORDNANCE 201506, IT IS, I AM GOING THE BRING FORWARD DISCUSSION THAT ACTUALLY IS IN RESPONSE TO THE APRIL 2ND MEETING WHERE WE WERE DIRECTED BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THE CONCEPT OF A TRAFFIC FREE ZONE AND ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO BRING FORWARD APPLICATIONS FOR LUXURY HOTELS WITHIN THAT ZONE. THIS DISCUSSIONINGS IS TO ALLOW RESORT HOTELS ON A DEFINED AIR FROM UNIVERSITY TO SILVER BEACH TO RE-QUESTION CAR FREE ZONES IF CERTAIN ESTABLISHED CRITERIA ARE MET. THIS AMENDS SECTION 20173 OF THE BEACH CODE BY ESTABLISHING CONDITIONS BY WHICH THE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL LOOK AT TRAFFIC FREE ZONES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD AND SILVER BEACH AVENUE. AT THIS POINT, I KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT IS IN THE ORDNANCE, IT HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU AND ON THE WEB. AT THIS POINT, FOR THE EDIFICATION OF THE PUBLIC, I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS AND ALSO, WHEN WE FINISH THAT DISCUSSION, IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF MYSELF, WE WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. JAMIE.

YES, THIS IS JAMIE, DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY. SECTION 20/173 OF THE CORD OF ORDNANCE AUTHORIZES VEHICLES ON THE BEACH. SUBSECTION C PREVIOUSLY WAS LISTED FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE, WE HAVE RE-PURPOSED IT FOR PROVIDING THE CRITERIA THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO DESCRIBE THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC FREE AREA AND THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER REMOVING CARS FROM THE BEACH. IT IS DESCRIBED AS UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD TO SEA BREEZE BOULEVARDS AND INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD TO SILVER BEACH AVENUE. THE CONDITIONS ARE THAT THEY HAVE TO CONSTRUCTION AN INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED LUXURY BRAND RESORT FRANCHISE AND HAVE A BOOKING SYSTEM, A CUSTOMER CONTACT CENTER, AND GLOBAL BRAND SUPPORT, AT COUNCIL'S REQUEST FOR THAT WAS TO PROVIDE MORE NAME RECOGNITION AND TO ASSIST THE AD AUTHORITIES FOR MORE CONTACTS OUT INTO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. THE NEXT IS THAT THEY MUST PROVIDE FOR OFF BEACH PARKING. COUNCIL'S REQUEST THAT IT WAS ONE FOR EVERY CAR, THAT THE PARKING IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF A1A AND ONE AND A HALF PLACES TO PLACE A VEHICLE ON THE BEACH, FOR ANYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF A1A. THAT COMES FROM THE HORN STUDY THAT WAS DONE WHEN THE COUNTY ORIGINALLY TOOK OVER THE BEACH. WE THAT STUDY SAID THAT PEOPLE PARK APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET APART WHEN THEY PARK ON THE BEACH, NOT TEN FEET, AS IS A STANDARD PARKING SPACE. OVER THE YEARS, THE COUNTY HAS DONE FLYOVERS ON MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND H SOUR BUSIEST WEEKEND OF THE YEAR AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE STANDARD. WE HAVE HAD BUSIER, MUCH LIGHTER, BUT GENERALLY, IN A MILD 5200 FEET, YOU CAN COUNT 350 CARS. IN RECORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE PARKING AND INCLUDE A DUNE WALK OVER. ANY PROPOSE THE CANNOT OBSTRUCT AN AREA THAT WOULD HAVE VEHICLES REMAIN ON THE BEACH. IT WAS MEANT TO NOT HAVE FREE RIDERS. SOMEONE COULD NOT PROPOSE AN AREA IN FRONT OF THEIR HOTEL, BUT BLOCK AN AREA FARTHER DOWN WITHIN THE ZONE. AND ALLOW SOMEONE TO GET CARS OFF THE BEACH IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY JUST BY OPERATION, THAT THE VEHICLES COULD NOT GET THERE. THE COUNTY IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THE PARKING BE CONVEYED EITHER IN FEE SIMPLE OR AN EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT. WE BELIEVE THAT EITHER OF THESE IS GOING PROTECT THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST AND IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A PRIVATE BEACH, WE CHARLOTTE CHRISTIAN WE HAVE BEEN DEPENDING FOR 30 YEARS HERE, MR. ECKERT HAS BEEN, IT IS A PUBLICS BEACH, SO THERE IS NO DEBATE AT ALL, WE ARE REQUIRING THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DEDICATE THE BEACH IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. AND THOSE WERE THE CRITERIA UNDER WHICH YOU WOULD CONSIDER WHICH WHETHER OR NOT TO--CONSIDER WHICH WHETHER OR NOT TO TO--WHETHER OR NOT TO PROVIDE FOR A TRAFFIC FREE ZONE IN FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. ANY QUESTIONS?

THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COUNCIL? MR. DANIELS.

YES, JAMIE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THIS WOULD NOT KEEP US FROM CONSIDERING TAKING CARS OFF OF THE BEACH IN ANY OTHER SECTION OF THE BEACH WOULD IT?

NO, SIR, IT DOES NOT LIMIT YOUR POLICE POWER ANY WHERE ELSE.

SO ON SAY THE SHORES, IT WOULD STILL TAKE FIVE VOTES TO GET CARS OFF THE BEACH IN THOSE AREAS, AND THAT COULD BE DONE.

IT COULD BE DONE AT ANY TIME.

AND EVEN IN THIS AREA, IT WOULD COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND IT WOULD TAKE FIVE VOTES TO GET CARS OFF THE BEACH, EVEN IF A PROJECT WAS TO COME FORWARD.

YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

MR. CHAIR? IF I CAN ADD TO MR. DANIELS' COMMENT, THE THING THAT WAS PROBABLY SETTING THIS APART, IN TALKING, THIS WOULD BE THE AREA WHERE WE WOULD PROMOTE THE IDEA. SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE PROMOTING THE IDEA OF RESORT HOTELS IN THIS AREA WITH THE UNDER STANDING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER IT, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU APPROVE IT AND YOU CONSIDER THE CONSIDERATION. OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE OF THIS, DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THAT SAME WELCOME MAT FOR THEM, AND THERE IS NOT, I WOULD BELIEVE, THE SAME UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD REVIEW THOSE. I BELIEVE THAT BY DOING THIS, WE ARE SIGNALING TO THE PEOPLE, WE ARE ENCOURAGING IT AND WE WILL REVIEW IT. AND I BELIEVE IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT IS WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEY WERE DOING WHEN THEY APPROVED THIS, I THINK.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS AS PER RATIONAL, CERTAINLY. BUT FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW, WE COULD CONSIDER RESORTS OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA. THE SHORES WOULD HAVE PROPERTY WHERE THE RESORTS MIGHT BE DEVELOPED AND THERE IS ONE, THE SHORE'S RESORT. AND WE DO NEED TO INCLUDE THOSE AND PERHAPS, CONSIDER GETTING CARS OFF THE BEACH FOR OTHER REASONS, OR OTHER REASONS TO DO IT AND WE, AND I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT WE ARE NOT TIEING OUR HANDS IN THAT REGARD. BUT WE ARE, I GUESS, PROMOTING THIS PARTICULAR AREA AS A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD DO THIS TYPE OF THING. I THINK THAT IS GOOD. I THINK THAT IS, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THE HOTELS ARE LIKELY TO LOCATE, CERTAINLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, STILL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME HERE AND GET FIVE VOTES AND THEY WOULD HAVE A RUN TO GAUNTLET THAT HENRY HAS RUN, HENRY HAS RUN, AND YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT ON THEM. BUT THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

ANYTHING ELSE, MR. DENNIEEN?

NO, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER STAFF REPORTS? SEEING NONE. WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE STAFF REPORTING SECTION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

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OH, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL?

IT IS ALL ONE PUBLISH HEARING FOR ALL OF THE PIECES.

YES, YOU SAID THAT WE ARE DONE.

I MEANT I HAD NO MORE COMMENTS ON THAT SECTION.

SO WE HAVE TO GO EACH SINGLE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

IT IS ALL RIGHT.

YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR THEN, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. ORDNANCE 201507, IF APPROVED, STARTS A TRAFFIC FREE ZONE IN FRONT OF THE FORMER DESERT INN WHICH WOULD BECOME A WESTON HOTEL. IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY, IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION OF THE EXPLANATION [ INAUDIBLE ], DON MCCOWN KARMIC AND JIM MORSE ARE IN THE FRONT ROW AND IF NEED BE, THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT, WHICH THIS APPLICATION, WHICH WE WILL REVIEW IN DETAIL, AND THERE IS A LOT OF DETAIL THAT SHE WILL GO THROUGH AND THERE IS AN AERIAL, DESCRIBES THE CONDITION OF THE INVESTMENT THAT THE DESERT INN WILL MAKE ALONG WITH THE PROVISION FOR 27 SPACES H IS THE SPACES THEY ARE ASKING FOR US TO TAKE AWAY FROM BEHIND THE HOTEL FOR DRIVING. THE ATTEMPT TO GET TO 27 SPACES, AND I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT I HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING FORWARD TODAY THAT I THINK WILL PLEASE YOU. WHEN THE APPLICANT, BEFORE HE WITHDREW MOVING FORWARD, AND IN THE CASE OF THE HARD WOK, SHOWING--HORDE ROCK, SHOWING THE--THE HARD ROCK, I KNOW FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE COUNCIL, THEY HAVE, IF WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN, WANT THE SPACES TO BE ON THE EAST SIDE SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO CROSS A1A AND MAKE IT EASIER AND SAFER FOR PEOPLE. THAT BEING SAID, AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT I HAVE BOTH THE AUTHORITY AND THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL TO PURCHASE PROPERTY FOR OFF BEACH PARKING, I HAD A DISCUSSION, A VERY POSITIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 27 SPACES. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, IN ADDITION TO THE ORDNANCE, IS A CONTRACT, AND WHAT THIS WILL ALLOW IS THEY WILL GIVE THE 27 SPACES, I AM HAPPY TO SAY, NEXT TO THEIR BUILDING AND THE EXTRA PROPERTY THEY OWN, THAT THEY WILL GIVE US THE SPACES AS PART OF THIS AND THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO GIVES THE MONEY H WE HAVE CALCULATED IN ADDITION TO THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES, ABOUT $7000 A SPACE TO DEVELOP THE SPACES. THAT LEAVES THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY C IS FAIRLY LARGE, IT IS LESS THAN AN ACRE, THOUGH. WHAT I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT, WAS A CHANCE, WHICH YOU WILL HAVE BEFORE YOU, TO PURCHASE THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY AT BELOW MARKET. THEY WERE WILLING, AND I MEAN THIS WAS GENEROUS ON THEIR PART, THEY WERE WILLING TO SELL THIS AT NO COST, NO PROFIT, BUT FOR WHAT THEY PAID FOR IT, WHICH IS BELOW PARK OF WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR IT TODAY. IT IS PROBABLY WORTH 2 3-0 HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS--WORTH $300,000 TO $500,000. THEY ARE WILLING TO SELL US THAT PROPERTY, THEY HAVE ABOUT $2.4 MILLION IN IT. IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT $10,779,000. AND SHE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS, IT IS NOT ONLY WILL YOU THEN HAVE YOUR 27 SPACES, WHICH I THINK THE COUNCIL ALWAYS WANTED ON THE OCEAN FRONT, RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE YOU TOOK THE PARKING SPACE, BUT WITH THE PROPERTY, IT IS CLOSER TO 150 SPACES IN AN AREA THAT WE WOULD WANT THE SPACES TO BE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF THIS PROPERTY HAD BEEN AVAILABLE AT THE TIME YOU HAD GIVEN US DIRECTION, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN THE NUMBER ONE OR TWO PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD HAVE GONE AFTER TO BUY BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION. SO WHAT I THINK YOU HAVE HERE IS THEM GIVING US THE 27 SPACES, I THINK REALLY DEALING WITH WHAT THE COUNCIL INTENDED WHEN THEY WANTED THE SPACES ON THE OCEAN. BUT I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY AT BELOW MARKET THE REST OF THE PROP TERAI AND ALLOW US TO DO IT, AND WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO IT AS ONE PUD TO ELIMINATE ANY SET BACKS AND MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF SPACES IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC AND IN THE USABILITY AND THE NUMBER OF SPACES ON THE OWES, WHICH WILL OURS FOREVER AND NOT AFFECTED BY TIDES. WITH THAT, WE CAN GO THROUGH WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO PUT INTO HOTEL IN TERMS ON INVESTMENT TO BE THE WITH THE WHOLE ISSUES--TOGETHER WITH THE WHOLE ISSUES.

SUE, IF YOU COULD PUT THE OVERHEAD UP, PLEASE. THE OLD WESTON PROJECT IS JUST TO THE SOUTH OF UNIVERSITY. IT IS ABOUT 300 FEET SOUTH. WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS WE RENUMBERED THE CODE DO PROVIDE FOR THE CRITERIA THAT YOU JUST WENT OVER IN ORDNANCE 06. THEY ARE NOW LETTER D. D CURRENTLY HAS SIX TRAFFIC FREE ZONES. WE WOULD BED AING A SEVENTH TRAFFIC FREE ZONE. TO EXTEND 410 FEET. SO IT WOULD COVER WHAT YOU ARE SEEING AS THE RED AREA ON THE OVERHEAD, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL DESERT END PROJECT. THE ORDNANCE HAS BEEN SLIGHTLY AMENDED SINCE IT WAS PUBLISHED BY IT IS WELL WITHIN THE DEFINITION. THERE WAS A REQUEST TO IDENTIFY THE PARCEL NUMBERS UPON WHICH THE OFF BEACH PARKING WOULD BE PROVIDED AND WE HAVE DONE SO AND IT IS HIGHLIGHTED. AND THE PARKING WOULD INCLUDE PAVING, LANDSCAPING, AND STORM WATER. THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO COME IN COMPLIANCE PRIOR TO THE CARS COMING OFF THE BEACH ARE ATTACHED AS A GUARANTEE OF PERFORMANCE. IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT WE DO PLAT VACATIONS, WHERE WE ARE REQUIRING CERTAIN ACTS TO OCCUR PRIOR TO OUR RELEASING THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST. THE CONDITIONS, AGAIN, INCLUDE THE HOTEL AS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED. IT GOES INTO GREAT E. COLI DETAIL AS--GREATER DETAIL AS TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO MARKET TO THE UPPER SCALE OF THE SEGMENT AND IT PROVIDES DETAILS OF WHAT MAY MUST HAVE INSIDE THEIR HOTEL AND IT MUST BE CERTIFIED BY THE FRANCHISE BRAND 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE CARS COMING OFF THE BEACH. THEY ARE LISTED ON PAGE [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] ON THE THIRD PAGE OF THE ATTACHMENT, MY PAGES ARE NOT NUMBERED. BUT IT INCLUDES AN UPSCALE DINING FACILITY AND ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IF YOU WERE TO GO TO A REASSORTED. THE CRITERIA, THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE AND THEY ARE GOING RECORDING FEES SIMPLE TO THE PORTION OF THE PARCEL THAT APPLIES TO THE 27 SPACES. AND AS MR. DENNIEEN STATED, WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO GET A PURCHASE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING. AS YOU CAN SEE OF THIS STRETCH, THERE IS VERY FAVA AND PROPERTY. IT IS--VACANT PROPERTY. AND THEY WERE ABLE TO BUY IT JUST BEFORE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED US TO BUY OFF BEACH PARKING. SO IT WAS OFF THE MARKET BY THE TIME YOU SUGGEST THAT HAD WE START ACQUIRING. THEY WILL BE SELLING IT FOR $40 A SQUARE FOOT GROSS. THE LAST PROPERTY WAS THE STRAND BEACH, YOU PAID $42.59 A SQUARE FOOT, SO IT IS BELOW THE MARKET VALUE OF WHAT WE ARE PAYING RIGHT NOW. IN VALUING THE PARKING SPACES AND THE DEVELOPMENT COST, WE RAN THE NUMBERS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS, MS. CONNER INS HAS TOLD YOU THAT IT TAKES BETWEEN $22,000 AND $44,000 FOR PARKING SPACE OR THE LAND AND DEVELOPMENT. THESE ARE VALUED AT $23,000 A PARKING SPACE. SO WE NETTED THE PURCHASE PRICE TO $1,779,000. AND WE HAVE ALSO AGREE TODAY JOINTLY DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH THE APPLICANT WITH A PUD. THE INTENTION BEHIND THAT IS WHEN YOU USUALLY DO A DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE SET BACKS AND YOU HAVE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES, IF WE COME FORWARD JOINTLY, WE WILL NOT HAVE SET BACKS IN LANDSCAPING SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO RETAIN ABOUT 30 FEET TO BE USED AS ANOTHER ROW OF PARKING. SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING ON THEIR PROPERTY AND OURS. SO, WE THINK IT IS THE BEST INTEREST AND WE WILL EXECUTING THE JOINT AND CONSENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUD AND WE WILL BE DEVELOPING THIS FOR PUBLIC PARKING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? MR. DENNIEEN.

NO, YOU CAN ASK, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OOPHAGY JAY MY AND I--OF JAMIE AND I TO CLARIFY.

OKAY, AND MR. DANIELS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. HUE SANE FOR MAKING THIS OFFER AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY. THIS IS VERY UNUSUAL THAT SOMEONE WOULD DO THAT SORT OF THING AND YOU ARE THE KIND OF CORPORATE CITIZEN THAT YOU WANT HERE. YOU PROVED TO BE A GENTLEMAN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND I APPLAUD YOU. AND HAVING THIS PARKING RIGHT ON THE BEACH IS TERRIFIC BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TAKING THEIR THINGS ACROSS THE STREET AND THIS WOULD PREVENT THAT, AND HERE, AND PROVIDE GREATLY MORE PARKING THAN YOU WILL BE TAKING OFF. THE ONE THING THOUGH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK JAMIE IS YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT SEEMS THAT IF WE WAIT UNTIL THEY COMPLETE THE HOTEL THAT THEIR RIGHTS ON CONTIGENT AND NOT VESTED. WOULD THAT BE RIGHT?

YOU PLACE ME IN A DIFFICULT POSITION. I AM NOT SURE THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. I THINK I WOULD ARGUE VESTED RIGHTS ON THEIR BEHALF. AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE BOTH LAWYERS AND WE BOTH READ CASE LAW A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT I COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT TO A COURT.

AND I COULD, TOO. BUT YOU NOW, MY POINT WAS THIS, THAT IT IS NOT REALLY THAT THEY ARE NOT VESTED. IT IS THAT YOU KNOW, THEY ARE, THEY ARE DOING ALL OF THIS FOR US AND THEY ARE RUNNING SOME RISK.

THEY ARE RUNNING SOME RISK, YES, THEY ARE.

THAT WAS REALLY MY POINT. IT WAS NOT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING. IT IS THAT THEY ARE RUNNING SOME RISK BUT THEY ARE DOING A LOT FOR US. AND I THINK THE COUNCIL AND EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN JUST ABSOLUTELY GREAT TO US. WHAT EFFECT WOULD YOU THINK THAT THE REFERENDUM WOULD HAVE IF IT WAS TO PASS AND BE UPHE WOULD?

WELL FIRST--UPHELD?

WELL, FIRST, IT IS OUR OPINION THAT THE REFERENDUM AS DRAFTED IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL. AND SO, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS VALID. SO, AGAIN, YOU ARE PUTTING ME IN A DIFFICULT POSITION OF HYPOTHETICAL. BUT IF THERE WERE SOME SORT OF REFERENDUM THAT WOULD BE VALID, AGAIN, THERE IS AN EXPO FACTO ISSUE, COUNCIL WILL HAVE ALREADY MADE THE DECISION AND TO HAVE THE CHARTER AMENDMENT REACH BACK ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF TO STRIP SOMEONE OF THEIR RIGHTS WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR A COURT TO ENFORCE.

THE OTHER THING TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION, IF THEY GET THE PROJECT DONE BEFORE THE ELECTION. CARS COME OFF THE BEACH, THERE IS A STATE STATUE AND THEN I THINK THEY ARE GOLD AT THAT POINT.

THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION AS WELL.

OKAY, SO AS LONG AS THEY GET IT DONE BEFORE THE ELECTION, THEY ARE GOLD. THEY HAVE THE STATE STATUTE AS PROTECTION.

MR. CHAIR, THERE IS ONE THING THAT I NEED TO ADD, IT WAS A CONCERN ON PARKING, JUST TO CLARIFY, I DIDN'T SAY THIS, WHILE THE PARKING WOULD BE NEXT TO THE HOTEL. IT IS SEPARATED, THERE IS A WALKWAY, THERE WILL BE LANDSCAPED, AN ACCESS POINT TO MAKE IT EASY ACCESS FOR ANYONE THAT IS HANDICAPPED DOWN TO THE BEACH. IT IS ALL INCLUDED BUT IT IS SEPARATED FROM THE HE TELL AND THE OWNER AND--FROM THE HOTEL AND THE OWNER, AND HE HAS AGREED, IT IS IN THE CONDITIONS OF THIS ORDNANCE, IS THAT WE WILL, BECAUSE IT IS OUR PROPERTY, IT IS NOT MORE HOTEL PATRONS AND HE HAS AGREED TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS PEOPLE, HIS CLIENTS KNOW THAT IT IS NOT PART OF THE HOTELS PARKING. AND WE KNOW THAT WE CAN AND WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT THE ISSUES WOULD REALLY BE AROUND HOLIDAYS, AND I KNOW THAT I CAN ENFORCE IT THEN. SO HE HAS MADE IT CLEAR. BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS CONCERN THAT SOME HAD. THIS IS NOT SPILL OVER PARKING FOR THE HOTEL.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. MR. LOWERY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO ASK, I GUESS MR. DENNIEEN, WOULD IT BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT TO SAY THAT THE HANDICAP ACCESS AFTER THIS PROJECT IS DONE WOULD BE GREATLY ENHANCED FROM WHAT IS CAN CURRENTLY THERE?

WE BELIEVE SO. ESPECIALLY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE NOT TO DRIVE ON TO THE BEACH. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TALKED TO US ABOUT AT CERTAIN PLACES TO GO BACK AND PROVIDE SOME OF THE WHEELCHAIRS THAT WE ONCE DID. INTERESTING TO NOTE, WHILE THIS IS JUST A THEORY, MY STAFF HAS COME TO ME AND MS. CONORS ESPECIALLY, THERE IS A LITTLE PEACE OF DRIVING BEACH BETWEEN UNIVERSITY AND THE WESTON WOULD BE, WE LOOKED TO MAKE IT, AS AN EXPERIMENT, A SPECIFIC HANDICAP DRIVING AREA. SO ACTUALLY FOR HANDICAPPED PEOPLE. WE THOUGHT, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD EXPERIMENT. I AM NOT GOING COMMIT TO THIS AT THIS POINT BUT IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO GIVE IT A WAY. SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PIECE FOR PEOPLE WITH HANDICAPS.

MS. CUSACK.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. DENNIEEN, AND TO STAFF, I THINK THAT WE HAVE A TRUE PARTNERSHIP IN THIS COMMITMENT. BEING A HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL, MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS THE AMERICAN'S WITH DISABILITY ACT AND I THINK YOU HAVE REITERATED HERE THAT WE CAN BE IN COMPLIANCE, WE WILL DO ALL OF THE THINGS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE, SAFELY, ACCESS FOR FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES TO GET INTO THE BEACH. WOULD YOU SAY THAT IS CORRECT?

ABSOLUTELY.

AND SO I APPLAUD THE PARTNERSHIP HERE AND I THINK IT IS GOOD GOVERNMENT ORPHAN OUR BEHALF THAT WE WOULD DO THAT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO THAT BEACH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MS. CUSACK. ANY OTHER COUNCIL QUESTIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT, MR. DENNIEEN, THAT PLEASE, BRING THAT IDEA UP LATER.

I WILL.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO. IT SOUNDS VERY UNIQUE AND SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? SO NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM 2015-08.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 2015-08, A PROPOSED TRAFFIC FREE ZONE. ONCE AGAIN, JAMIE WILL GO THROUGH THE DETAILS. IN GENERAL, THE HARD ROCK AGREES TO MEET THE SAME CRITERIA AS THE DESERT INN. THERE ARE SOME MINOR CHANGES. ONCE AGAIN, THE ISSUE IS THE PARKING. THEY NEED TO PROVIDE 60 SPACES.

EXCUSE ME, WHEREVER JEFF IS CAN WE GET MR. DENNIEEN A NEW MICROPHONE? SORRY, SIR. BUT IT DOES INTERFERE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I SHOULD MENTION THAT TWO PEOPLE ARE HERE FROM THE HARD ROCK, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THEIR APPLICATION. THE ISSUE ONCE AGAIN ON THE 60 SPACES IS WHERE. WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS, A POTENTIAL PARKING GARAGE ALSO, AT ONE ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THEY HAVE PROPERTY. I GOT THE MESS AN LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE COUNCIL THAT LET'S TRY TO MAKE THIS PARKING ON THE BEACH. THEY ARE IN. THEY AGREED TO PROVIDE 60 SPACES, IT IS ABOUT 1800 FEET SOUTH OF WHERE THE HARD ROCK WOULD BE BUILT. WE ALREADY HAVE 23 SPACE THERE FROM THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT. THIS WOULD ADD ANOTHER 60. THOSE 60 AND THOSE 63, 83 SPACES RIGHT THERE, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT PARKING LOT THEN. IT IS A PLACE, WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT NOW AND IN THE FUTURE WE ARE GOING THE NEED MORE PARKING. HOLD ON. OKAY, WE TALKED TO THE HARD ROCK PEOPLE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BUYING THE REMAINDER OF THAT PARCEL. NOW IT IS VERY LARGE AND IT IS A LARGE REMAINDER OF PROPERTY. THEY DID NOT HAVE AN INTEREST IN SELLING THE PROPERTY AND I THINK UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THAT PROPERTY AND THE AMOUNT OF OCEAN FRONT THEY HAVE, I UNDERSTAND WHY. BUT THEY ARE IN THE DISCUSSIONS, I WILL SAY OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT IS ACTUALLY NORTH OF WHERE THE HARD ROCK WOULD BE.

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THEY WILL GO INTO THE DETAILS, THE POINT IS THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT JAMIE IS GOING TO TALK--THAT JAMIE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO ACQUIRE. IF THEY ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY, THEY ARE WILLING, IN THIS AGREEMENT, TO GIVE ASSORTS OF FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL ABOUT MOVING OUR 60 SPACES, WITH THE PAYING, THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT, TO THIS LOCATION IF WE WILL PURCHASE THE REMINDER OF THE--THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY. AND JAMIE WILL GO THROUGH THE DETAILS.

ORDNANCE NUMBER 2015-08 WOULD ADD A NEW DRIVING AREA OF NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH WOULD START 2,205,000 SOUTH OF INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD AND EXTEND FOR 906 FEET. THIS IS IN FRONT OF THE HARD ROCK PROJECT, WHICH IS JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE OLD LEN KNOX APPROACH MOVING DOWN SOUTH. WHEN WE LEFT, IT WAS A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS. YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD VACATE IT UNDER THE CONDITION THAT THEY BUILD THE PARKING. THEY IDENTIFIED THE PROPERTY, THEY CONSTRUCTED THE PARKING, AND IN FACT, APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS AGO, THE COUNTY ENGINEER SIGNED OFF ON THAMES OF PROPERTY AND THE PARKING IS NOW AVAILABLE. BASED ON THAT, THE APPROACH IS NOW VACANTED AND THEY HAVE BEGUN CONSTRUCTION OF THEIR SEA WALL. THE HARD ROCK PROJECT HAS PROBABLY GOTTEN THE MOST PRESS ON ALL OF THIS BECAUSE IT IS LARGER AND HAS A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT PARKING, THEY AGREE TODAY PROVIDE MORE PARKING NEXT TO THE WITH US TIER YEAH, WHICH IS THE 60 SPACES. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE PRINCIPALS TO THE HARD ROCK AND THEY HAVE TRY TODAY MEET THE SAME CREE TIER YEAH--CRITERIA THAT THE WESTON PROJECT DID, WAS TO HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH A MUCH LARGER PARKING LOT. THAT IS IDENTIFIED IN RED ON THE OVERHEAD. THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT THE PRINCIPALS ARE ON THE ISLANDS. SO, TALKS, IT IS A DAY OR TWO BEFORE WE HEAR BACK AND FORTH FROM THEM AND WE BELIEVE WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET A CONTRACT SHORTLY. SO THE WAY THAT THE ORDNANCE IS DRAFTED, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE PROPERTY, THAT THEY WOULD PUT IN ANOTHER 60 PARKING SPACES, IF THEY ARE ABLE TO GET THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT. THE 60 SPACES ARE ON THE PARCEL AND THEN THEY WILL GIVE US CHANCE TO PURCHASE THE REMAINDER AT OR BELOW COST. IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN I WOULD BE BRINGING THAT CONTRACT BACK SEPARATELY AND THEN MAKING THE DECISION THAT IT IS THE LOCATION OF THE PARKING AS SET FORTH IN THE ORDNANCE. BUT REGARDLESS, THEY WILL BE OCEAN FRONT PARKING AND THEY WILL REPLACE THE 60 PARKING SPACES.

I THINK BAA THAT THE BASIS HERE IS THE DECISION YOU MAKE TODAY IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE 60 PARKING SPOTS, AND WE ALREADY WENT BACK AND IDENTIFIED THE PARCEL NUMBERS, THAT IS THE DECISION. YOU KNOW YOU WILL GET TO 60 SPACES. THEY ARE PLANNING ON GIVING US AN OPTION IF THAT COMES UP. BUT YOU WILL HAVE THE 60 SPACES ON THE OCEAN. WHICH I BELIEVE WAS PART OF ALSO, ONE AT MAIN CONDITIONS, PEOPLE REALLY WANT IT ON THE OCEAN IF THEY CAN GET IT. I WILL NOT HAVE THE ISSUE HERE THAT I MIGHT HAVE HAD ART THE WESTON BECAUSE IT IS NOT NEXT DOOR. SO WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME ISSUE THERE. I AM VERY COMFORTABLE, NO PROBLEM WITH THE WESTON.

NOW WITH THAT, WE, MR. DENNIEEN GOT A LET FRESH THE PRINCIPALS OF THE--GOT A LET FRESH THE PRINCIPALS OF--A LETTER FROM THE PRINCIPALS OF THE HARD ROCK, THEY DESCRIBED THE PROCESS BUT IT IS THEIR INTENT TO COMPLETE THE PURCHASE TO PROVIDE THAT TO US AS AN OPPORTUNITY. AND IF THAT DOES, IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU SEPARATELY AS A CONTRACT. THE CRITERIA FOR OPENING UP THE HARD ROCK WERE VERY SIMILAR TO THE WESTON. ATE ALMOST BIT DIFFERENT DESCRIPTION IN THEIR FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS AS TO THE TYPE OF RESTAURANT BUT DEFINITE I WILL MEETING THE QUALITY THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN AN INTERNATIONAL RESORT, ALL OTHER CRITERIA, AGAIN, SOMETIMES THE FRANCHISE WORDING IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT THE FINISHES WILL BE OF THE CORRECT TYPE, HARD ROCK HAS A PROVISION THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE WOOD, GLASS, STEEL, OR STONE, SO NO PLASTIC IN THE FINISHES. I HAVE ASKED HOW WE KNOW THAT THE HARD ROCK AND THE WESTON WILL STAY. WELL, WE CANNOT PROMISE ANYTHING BUT THE AGREEMENTS ARE REALLY EXPENSIVE TO PURCHASE. THE INITIAL DOWN PAYMENT IS IN THE MULTIMILLIONS, THE ANNUAL PAYMENTS ARE IN THE MILLIONS. YOU DO NOT INVEST THIS KIND OF MONEY INTO A PROPERTY TO GAIN THAT FRANCHISE FLAG UNLESS YOU INTEND ON MAINTAINING THAT FLAG. WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE YEARS PROPERTIES IN DAYTONA BEACH WITH AN INTERNATIONAL FLAG BE SOLD TO ANOTHER INTERNATIONAL FLAG. HOUR, THAT STILL MAINTAINS THE FALL--HOWEVER, THAT STILL MAINTAINS THE QUALITY OF THE RESORT. ONCE YOU INVEST IN THAT ROOM SIZE, THE STYLE, THE FURNISHINGS IN THE PROPERTY, THAT CREATES A MARKET, A SEPARATE MARKET, IF THAT IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND BUYS IT, IT MIGHT NOT BE WESTON IN 20 YEARS. BUT IT MIGHT WELL BE A HIGH END HILTON, IT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE IHG CROWN PLAZA'S BECAUSE THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT ATTRACTS THE HIGHER END INTERNATIONAL FRANCHISES. SO CAN I GUARANTEE IT, ABSOLUTELY NOT. DO I THINK IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE? YES. BECAUSE WE SAW THAT WITH THE MARRIOTT, IT WENT FROM TO AN ADAM'S MARKET TO A HILTON. IT DUDS NOT DROP DOWN TO A COMFORT INN. BECAUSE ONCE YOU PUT THOSE FINISHES IN, THAT IS THE KIND OF BUYER IT IS GOING TO ATTRACT.

I THINK IF YOU HAD A WEAKNESS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO TAKE THE DRIVING AND PARKING BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY MADE THE INVESTMENT. I THINK THAT MR. DANIELS TALKED ABOUT RISK, I THINK THAT THE RISK THEY TAKE IS THAT HAS TO ALL BE SIGNED OFF BEFORE THIS ACTIVITY CEASES. AND THAT LIST IS PRETTY INCLUSIVE AND OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE GOING TO HOLD PEOPLE TO CRITERIA THAT WE ESTABLISHED. I THINK THAT IS THE GREATER RISK AND I THINK THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH. AND YOU ARE NOT GOING MAKE THAT INVESTMENT AND NOT KEEP IT AT LEAST FOR THE LIFE OF THE FRANCHISE. AND I THINK THAT WAS, THAT COMMENT, I KNOW WAS A CONCERN OF SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I FEEL THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED IT.

SO THOSE ARE THE THREE ORDNANCES AND THE CONTRACT THAT ARE BEFORE YOU. AT THIS POINT, WE CAN, ANYMORE QUESTIONS OF ME OR MR. DENNIEEN AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC SPEAK.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I NOTICED YOU TURNED ON YOUR LIGHT MR. ECKERT. ARE YOU WILLING TO WAIT IN LINE FOR THE COUNCIL?

I WAS GOING TO FURTHER ADDRESS THE QUESTION.

OKAY, THEN MS. DENYS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST POINTS OF CLARIFICATION, WE HAVE TOUCHED ON, WE HAVE TOUCHED ON SOME, BUT I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR IDENTIFYING THE PARCELS AND THE TWEAKING AND CLARIFICATION THAT I HAVE ASKED FOR AND OTHERS, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND DELINEATING IN THE GUARANTEE OFFERER FOREMAN'S THAT WHICH WAS STATED. I AM NOT LIKE MY COLLEAGUES, I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY, I WANT TO KNOW THAT IT IS IN THERE AND YOU HAVE DONE IT. IT MIGHT BE REDUNDANT, BUT IT IS IN THERE. HERE IS SOME OF MY, HERE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, I WANT--SOME OF MY QUESTIONS, I WANT TO BE VERY AND ON THE RECORD, THE DEVELOPERS, WILL THEY PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT, INCLUDING STORM WATER, PERMITTING.

FOR THEIR SPACES.

FOR THEIR SPACES. IN THE CASE OF THE OTHER PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY--WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR PROPERTY.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE WE WERE HERE A YEAR AGO.

CORRECT.

SO THAT IS, THAT IS A GREAT POSITION AND I THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN LAST YEAR AND WHY I VOTED NO WAS BECAUSE OUR CITIZENS HAD TO CROSS FIVE LANES OF TRAFFIC AND WE WOULD TO HAVE IMPROVED THE LOT. SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US ON THAT. ALSO A HANDICAP ACCESS, I LEARN TODAY PUBLIC CONCERN WITH THAT, WE DO KNOW THAT IT IS GOING TO BE ARK DA COMPLIANT.

ABSOLUTELY.

THE ACCESS RAMPS. AND LETS TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHEELCHAIRS IN THE SAND, FOR THE SAND. IT IS A TIME TO BE ASKING THE DEVELOPERS THIS QUESTION OR AFTER PUBLIC INPUT? WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL?

I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THE ISSUE IS A COUNTY ISSUE. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, SHOULD YOU MOVE AHEAD WITH THE ORDNANCES AND VOTE IT TO BE THAT WAY SO WE NOW KNOW WHAT PROPERTY WE HAVE, I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT IS AN OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE, IF WE ARE GOING DO IT ALONG THE BEACH. AND I THINK WHERE YOU HAVE PARKING LOTS, THOSE ARE RAMPS ATTACHED, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, THAT IS THE RIGHT PLACE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO STORE THESE AND PUT THEM AND THEY HAVE TO BE ACCESSIBLE. SO I WOULD SUGGEST, IF THE COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITH THAT, THEN WE COULD BE TASKED WITH COMING FORWARD FOR A PLAN FOR THE BEACH IN GENERAL.

WELL, WHAT IF A DEVELOPER WOULD OFFER TO DONATE CHAIRS, AND I AM NOT JUST TAKING THE DAYTONA BEACH AREA, BECAUSE THE BEACH IS NOT ALL ABOUT DAYTONA, I AM ALSO LOOKING AT SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA. SO WHILE WE ARE TALKING ON THIS ISSUE, I WANT TO BE CLEAR TODAY THAT IT IS GOING TO ENCOMPASS ALL OF THE ACCESS, ALL OF THE REST. BECAUSE WE USED TO HAVE THEM. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MONTHSING A.

WE CAN WORK ON PROVIDING IT BUT THERE HAS TO BE AN EQUAL BALANCE IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC ON HOW THEY USE THEM, AND DO NOT ABUSE THEM, IN OTHER WORDS BECAUSE THERE ARE WAYS OF BRINGING IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS AND WHEN YOU ARE DONE WITH IT, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND I WOULD SAY, MS. DENYS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS I THINK THAT WHEN I THINK IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY, THAT DOES NOT MEAN I AM NOT WILLING TO ASK THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN GENERAL, OKAY, TO MAKE THAT KIND OF CONTRIBUTION BECAUSE I THINK IT HELPS EVERYONE THAT HAS INTEREST IN THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE BEACH, TO BE PART OF THE SUPPORT SYSTEM FOR HANDICAPPED PEOPLE. AND SO WE CAN CHALLENGE THE COMMUNITY TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO STEP UP. AND I THINK IT IS SOMETIMES AN ONE TIME CASH OUTLAY AND IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHEN PEOPLE DO SOMETHING ON AN ONGOING BASIS. SO IF YOU MOVE FORWARD, YOU NEED TO CHALLENGE US TO COME ONE A PLAN AND WE LOOK AT IT FOR THE WHOLE BEACH.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TODAY, WE ARE TUCKING ALL THINGS BEACH--WE ARE TALKING ALL THINGS BEACH AND HANDICAP ACCESS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM THE DEVELOPERS IF THEY ARE WILLING TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY IN PROVIDING ADA COMPLIANT WHEELCHAIRS FOR THE ACCESS.

ONE MOMENT. [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]

OKAY.

YES, SIR.

AND THEN WE WILL PROBABLY WANT MR. [ INAUDIBLE ] TO ALSO STEP UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION, TOO.

I AM JIM MORSE, I REPRESENT THE DESERT INN AROUND WE WOULD USE THE CHAIRS THAT THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY DESIGNED, AND THEY HAVE ACQUIRED SOME, I KNOW. AND YOU HAVE ISSUES ABOUT SECURITY. BUT WE WOULD CONTRIBUTE THOSE TO THE COUNTY TO RELATION TO THE OFF BEACH PARKING IN RELATION TO THE FACILITY THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. SO WHEN YOU CREATE A PARKING LOT, YOU HAVE A REQUIRED NUMBER OF HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE SPACES. AND I THINK THE CHAIRS WOULD WORK, PEOPLE USE THE WHEELCHAIR TO GO DOWN THE ADA APPROVED RAMP AND USE THE BEACH CHAIR WHEN THEY GOT TO THE SOFT SAND. SO THAT IS AN ISSUE OF HOW YOU SECURE THEM. BUT BEING WILLING TO PARTICIPATE AND NOT TAKE UP EVERYBODY'S TIME TODAY TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS YES AS IT RELATE TOSS THIS PARTICULAR PARKING FACILITY.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I DO NOT WANT TO GET DETAILS ON THAT. HOWEVER, BUT I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU THERE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT TAKE A REGULAR WHEELCHAIR DOWN THE RAMP, NOT VERY FAR, NOT VERY LONG, I HAVE DONE IT WITH MY FATHER. THESE ARE WONDERFUL GIFTS TO ARRESTED SENNS, SO THE DETAIL--TO OUR CITIZENS.

THE ANNALS TO THE QUESTION IS YES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU--THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS YES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

I AM GLENN [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] OF THE HARD ROCK AND ABSOLUTELY. WE HAD PLANNED ON DONATING WHEELCHAIRS BOTH AT THE LOCATION AND FOR OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL.

LIKE IN SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA?

LIKE IN SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA, YES.

IT IS ON THE RECORD, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

IT IS ON THE RECORD AND I WILL TELL YOU, LIKE I SAID, HENRY IS VERY COMMITTED TO DOING EVERYTHING HE CAN HE CAN TO MAKE--HE CAN TO MAKE THIS A HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE BEACH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND MR. CHAIR, JUST, WITHOUT GETTING TOO REDUNDANT HERE, DEVELOPERS WILL PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HANDICAP ACCESS AND ALL OF THE PARKING AREAS WILL OPEN EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR, CORRECT?

YES.

SO THEY WILL BE OPEN. --

THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD CHANGE IS IF WE DECIDE TO CHANGE US BECAUSE WE ARE IN CONTROL.

BUT AS A GENERAL RULE, THEY ARE OPEN OTHER THAN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES. OKAY, AND THIS ORDNANCE INCLUDES PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE BEACH BEHIND THE PROPOSE THE HARD ROCK AND WESTON?

IT IS ACTUALLY, IT PROVIDES ACCESS TO GET BEHIND, YES. IT IS ACTUALLY NEXT TO, IN THE CASE OF THE WESTON. THE OTHERS PARKING LOT IS FURTHER SOUTH.

ACTUALLY, AS PART OF THE VACATION APPROACH--

THAT IS TRUE.

WE ALREADY REQUIRED THEM. THEY HAVE A TEMPORARY ACCESS THERE AND IT IS PART OF THE COMPLETED PROJECT, THEY ARE REQUIRE TODAY PROVIDE A PUBLIC ACCESS ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS NORTHERN OR SOUTHERN BUT WE PROVIDED

SO DEPENDING ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE HARD ROCK, WHICH COULD BE ANOTHER 218.

AND THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AROUND 150 AT THE WESTIN.

AT A PRICE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR US. YOU MAKE THAT CLEAR AND THEN QUITE FRANKLY THAT WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE A LOSS MORE SPACES AT A MORE STRATEGIC PLACE SOMEWHERE.

AND ALL OCEAN FRONT?

ALL OCEAN FRONT.

OKAY, THANK YOU. I'M DONE MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, MR. LOWRY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. BUT I GUESS THAT IT IS THIS AREA TOO ONCE IT'S COMPLETED, HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBILITY WILL BE GREATLY IMPROVED.

CORRECT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, MR. DANIELS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO, I KNOW HE'S NOT HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE HENRY WITH THE DETERMINATION HE HAS SHOWN TO BRING THIS PROJECT FORWARD. I'M SURE HE CAME ON SEEING ANY EXPENSIVE LAND, PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT FLIPPING IN AND NOT DOING ANYTHING, FELL IN LOVE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR US. IT WOULD BE A TERRIFIC PROJECT, YOU KNOW, BRING PEOPLE IN THAT DON'T NORMALLY COME HERE. ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. AGAIN THOUGH MY CONCERNS ARE REALLY KIND OF THE SAME, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S UNCERTAINTY CONCERNING THE RIGHTS WE ARE GRANTING, PARTICULARLY WITH THE HARD ROCK. I MEAN THEY'RE GOING OUT LONGER. AND THEY'RE GOING OUT PAST AN ELECTION. THEY'RE GOING OUT PAST THE REFERENDUM. AND IT SEEMS TO ME NOT A VERY GOOD POSITION TO PUT THEM IN. AND THEY'RE WILLING TO COOPERATE WITH US IN GETTING THIS OTHER LAND. AND TO GIVE IT TO US. AND MORE OFF BEACH PARKING THAN WE'LL BE TAKING AWAY BY THEIR PROJECT. IT SPEAKS WELL TO THEM. IT SPEAKS WELL TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEHIND IT. I MET WITH HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME, I GUESS WHAT YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE. AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HE IMPRESSES ME AS A GENTLEMAN AND KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. SO I REALLY DO THINK THIS PROJECT IS ON THE ROAD. I THINK THAT YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT CAN PUT IT OVER THE LINE. THANK YOU.

AND MR. ECKHART DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS?

YES, SIR. IN RESPONDING TO MR. DANIELS COMMENTS AND HIS QUESTIONS EARLIER. THE COUNTY COUNCIL IS INCAPABLE OF ELIMINATING ALL THE RISKS AT THIS MATTER, GIVEN THE PETITION, WHICH HAS BEEN CIRCULATING. HERE IS WHAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT PETITION, HOWEVER. I BELIEVE IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL ON MULTIPLE LEVELS, NOT LEAST OF WHICH PERTINENT TODAY. THE FACT THAT IF IT IS ADOPTED THAT IT INVALIDATES AN ACTION THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL MAY TAKE TODAY. IT IS CLEARLY LAWFUL AT THE TIME IT WAS PASSED. IF IT IS PASSED. SO IN THAT REGARD THAT'S AMONG THE ISSUES OF THE CONSTITUTIONALITY. AND THERE ARE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLES THAT WOULD COME IN TO THEIR PATH.

AND THE REASONS THAT YOU HAVE INDICATED MR. DANIELS. THAT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT IF IT WERE TO COME TO BE SHOULD NOT BE APPLIED WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCE. AND THERE'S A STRONG BALANCING OF INTEREST. I WOULD SAY IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING ME THE ACTION THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD TAKE. IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE ALL THOSE CONTINGENCIES BECAUSE I START WITH THE PREMISE. AND THAT THE COUNCIL IS ENTITLED IF IT SEES FIT TO ADAPT THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY. AND WE WOULD DEFEND THAT ACTION IF IT IS CHALLENGED. AND I ADVISE YOU IN MY VIEW THE CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT IS BEING CIRCULATED AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. THAT IT MAY BE WORTH SOME SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION. BUT YOUR ACTIONS LAWFUL TODAY. THAT THEY ARE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLES INVOLVED, WHICH MAY MITIGATE THAT RISK ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPERS, BUT WE CANNOT ELIMINATE ALL OF THEM.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN I THINK MAKING IT RETROACTIVE PROBABLY COULD WITH THE CHANCES OF IT SUSTAINING. I DON'T THINK IT WAS MUCH TO BEGIN WITH, BUT THAT PROBABLY DID. THAT WAS PROBABLY OVERREACHING. BUT YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE ORDINANCES THAT DON'T VEST IT RIGHT. BUT MAY CHANGE AFTER THE ELECTION. I DO KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME POSSIBILITIES OF CAUSES OF ACTION AGAINST THE COUNTY SHOULD THAT HAPPEN AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL.

I CANNOT ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY WAIVING AT THE DEFENSES THAT THE COUNTY MAY HAVE AT THAT TIME. THE DEVELOPERS HAVE EXPERIENCED COUNCIL, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT SAYS, BUT I START WITH THE PRINCIPLE. WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY IF YOU CHOOSE WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT IS A LAWFUL ACTION. THAT THEY COULD NOT BE APPLIED RETROACTIVELY IN THIS CASE. AND THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THESE GUYS VEST THEIR RIGHTS WAS. YOU KNOW, THE POINT. AND THIS IS JUST A QUESTION AND ANSWER.

AND IF THEY WORKED THEIR OWN. AND TO BE BONDING UPON THIS BODY.

AND IF THERE WERE NO CHARTER AMENDMENT AND YOU ADOPTED TODAY AND IN RELIANCE. I CAN'T WAIVE ANY DEFENSES TO COME TO BE BECAUSE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND AMONG THIS PROBLEM AS A RETROACTIVE.

ALL RIGHT, MR. WAGNER.

IT WOULD BE A SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE, IT'S UNIQUE. I MEAN THEY CAN ENFORCE IT, RIGHT DAN? THEY CAN ARGUE A SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE. I MEAN YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF TRIGGERS. AND THE TIME THEY MADE THIS DECISION AND THEY HAD ARGUED TO THE COURT SPECIFICS. THE ACTION IS LAWFUL TODAY AMONG THE ISSUES WHICH HAVE COME TO PASS IS WHETHER OR NOT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WOULD AFFECT AN IMPAIRMENT OF CONTRACT. FLORIDA ADHERES TO BALANCING OF INTEREST WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS AN IMPAIRMENT OF CONTRACT. BUT THAT BALANCING OF INTEREST, THE REACTION THAT THE COUNCIL TAKES TODAY.

AND A LONG INCIDENTAL EFFECT.

NOT ONE THAT TARGETS WHAT IT ENTERS IN TO. I MEAN WE CAN'T COMMENT HOW IT MIGHT ALL PLAY OUT IN THE FUTURE. BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONSTITUTION PRINCIPLES THAT WOULD COME IN TO PLAY.

THANKS.

ALL RIGHT, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION HERE KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE ISSUE WE'VE HAD HERE. THE AREA OF THE HARD ROCK. IS THAT THE ONE-WAY DRIVING?

IT'S NOT A PART OF THE ONE-WAY DRIVING AREA KIND OF EXTENT. I GOT THE, OKAY, IT IS. DO WE NEED TO INCORPORATE. WE ALREADY LOOKED AT ALL THOSE AREAS, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THE NEWSPAPER DEPENDING UPON HOW IT WOULD FUNCTION THAT IT MAY HAVE TO MAKE THEM TWO WAYS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO ROUTINELY DO.

NO.

AND I ALREADY HAVE, IN ORDERS I CAN'T COMPOSURE DO IT. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE AGREED THAT WE CAN MAKE EVERY CHANGE WITH NO PROBLEM WITH BEACH SAFETY. WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT CAUTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, VERY WELL. OKAY IS THERE ANY FURTHER STAFF REPORT ON THIS MATTER. GIVEN THE THREE ORDINANCES. OKAY SEEING HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE, WE'LL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORTING SESSION AT THIS POINT. WITH THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A 10-MINUTE BREAK. MOVE FOR RECESS.

WE WILL TAKE THAT RECESS. WE WILL BE IN RECESS --

MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIR.

CALM, EVERYBODY. HOLD ON.

ORDER. BEFORE YOU GO OFF AND LET EVERYONE ON RECESS AND CLARIFY THE ISSUE IF YOU WANT MULTIPLE PEOPLE, SOMEONE TO SPEAK FOR MULTIPLE PEOPLE.

OKAY. HERE'S THE DEAL. I HAVE A COUPLE OF PILES HERE THAT PEOPLE HAVE. WE HAVE MULTIPLE GROUPS OF THREE OR MORE PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE THREE OR MORE PEOPLE IN ONE GROUP THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS A GROUP AND YOU CHOOSE ONE SPEAKER TO SPEAK FOR THAT GROUP WE WILL ALLOW SIX MINUTES FOR THAT GROUP OF THREE OR MORE. IF YOU HAVE DONE SO OR IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO AND YOU CAN GET A HOLD OF MS ZIMMERMAN HERE. WE'LL FIND YOUR SLIP, WE'LL PUT YOU TOGETHER, WITH THE SPEAKER OF THE GROUP ON TOP AND WE WILL ALLOW THAT PERSON SIX MINUTES. EVERYBODY ELSE WILL GET THREE MINUTES AS AN INDIVIDUAL. AND SOMEONE SPEAKING FOR MULTIPLE PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE WILL HAVE A RIGHT TO STAND AND BE RECOGNIZED. AND THE CHAIR WAS SPECIFICALLY NAMED THE PEOPLE THAT THAT PERSON BEFORE. THAT WAY WE HAVE REASSURANCE THAT YOU HAVE THE SLIP AND THE PEOPLE ARE HERE. AND IT'S NOT SOMEONE THAT SAYS THEY ARE NOT HERE AND IT WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY SPEAK. AND WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR NAME IS NOT RED FOR SOME REASON. THE CHAIR WILL ASK THE NAMES. IF YOUR NAME IS NOT THERE, YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SLIP ANYWHERE ELSE.

AND A FEW MORE LITTLE SUB NOTES HERE. AS I HAVE SAID IN EVERY COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE, I'LL READ THE DISCLAIMER, BUT WE DON'T DO APPLAUSE AND CHEERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS A NORMAL THING. ALSO PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES, YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES. BECAUSE YOU'D LIKE EVERYBODY TO BE QUIET AND LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, SO PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE OF THE OTHERS.

ONE MORE THING, MR. CHAIR. FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW, WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH A LARGE GROUP. THE CHAIR WILL ANNOUNCE THE PERSON THAT WILL SPEAK, BUT SILVER PEOPLE ON DECK -- SEVERAL PEOPLE ON DECK THAT ARE NEXT. THAT'S WHAT THE CHAIRS WILL BE FOR UPFRONT. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DO THAT. IF SOMEONE GETS DONE SPEAKING, HE'LL CALL THE NEXT NAME. AND THAT PERSON WILL BE SEVERAL PEOPLE DOWN. THAT'LL GIVE SOMEBODY AN OPPORTUNITY IF THEY ARE DOWNSTAIRS, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE OTHER ROOM DOWNSTAIRS, THEY'LL HAVE TIME TO COME UPSTAIRS, THEY CAN COME UP HERE AND GET IN A ROOM TO BE RECOGNIZED.

OKAY.

SO NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THE GROUND RULES CLEARED OUT, WHAT WE'LL DO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A TEN-MINUTE RECESS. WE WILL RECONVENE AT 10:25. SO WE NEED TO BE BACK HERE SO WE CAN GET THIS GOING. ALL RIGHT? WE WILL BE IN RECESS.

CHAMBER, PLEASE COME TO ORDER.

IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE FIND YOUR SEATS, TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONE, TURN OFF THE NOISE MAKING, ELECTRONIC DEVICES.

OKAY, ONE MOMENT. IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT GATHERED, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PILES HERE.

OKAY, WE WILL NOW CONTINUE ON WITH OUR, WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION OF THIS MEETING. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING REFERENCE ORDINANCES. 205.1-7, AND 205.15-08. I WILL NOW READ THE DISCLAIMER. THE HAVE LUCIA COUNTY IS INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR COMMENTS. HOW DO YOU RECOGNIZE. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND WITH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THE COUNTY COUNCIL DOES NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS DURING THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION. PLEASE BE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL TO THE USE OF OTHERS, PERSONAL ATTACKS, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE COUNTY STAFF, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. AND ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, YOU DO ADDRESS THE CHAIR YOU SPEAK TO THE CHAIR. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS AND WE WILL ASK QUESTIONS AS NECESSARY. ALL RIGHT, IT'S BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION FOR ME TO MAKE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. AND WHAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO DO IS ALTERNATE. I'M GOING TO CALL A SERIES OF NAMES, THESE PEOPLE PLEASE COME UP. THERE ARE FIVE CHAIRS RESERVED TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE MAIN GALLERY. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE DOWNSTAIRS OR IF I CALL. I KNOW, BUT OKAY.

IN THEORY THEY'LL HAVE ENOUGH TIME. OKAY, HERE WE GO. I'M GOING TO CALL FROM ONE FROM EACH PILE HERE. JOHN NICHOLSON. YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE UP HERE THIS MORNING. LINDA BROWN LEE, LINDA LEE? LINDA BROWN LEE? OKAY SHE MAY BE DOWNSTAIRS.

IT LOOKS LIKE A DCHUS. OKAY, WE'LL PUT YOU IN TO THAT PILE. OF COURSE. OVER THERE. OKAY, THEN WE WILL CONTINUE. CHARLES. ARE YOU HERE, SIR? IS THAT YOU, SIR?

I WOULD LIKE TO FILL THESE CHAIRS, PLEASE.

OKAY, SO I DO HAVE THOSE TWO COMING UP FROM THE TRAINING ROOM.

CLAUDIA ROSE, IS THAT YOU?

AND THE LAST ONE TO CALL FOR THIS ROUND AND AS I COME FORWARD TO PICK AN EMPTY SEAT. I'LL BE CALLING THE NEXT NAME TO FILL THE SHEET. ARE YOU PRESENT? COULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? OH THERE YOU ARE. THERE WE GO, OKAY. THE FIRST SPEAKERS, JOHN THERE, YOU ARE. OKAY, I HAVE ANOTHER PERSON COMING UP.

SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT. THE CONTRACT WHICH WE DISCUSSED WOULD BE CONSIDERED BY, I ANTICIPATE BY SEPARATE MOTION AFTER 2015-7. BUT IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SPEAKERS TO ADDRESS THEMSELVES TO ANY OR ALL OF SUCH ITEMS. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE UNCLEAR TO TALK TO THEM ALL, IF THEY COULD TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF ONE IF THAT'S THEIR FOCUS. BUT THIS IS THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON EACH OF THE ITEMS.

YES, THE RULES OF ORDER, YOU SPEAK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND. AND THE ISSUE AT HAND IS THESE THREE ORDINANCES. IF YOU TALK ABOUT SUN RAIL OR THE I-4 EXPANSION OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN VOTES, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, BUT EVEN THE ISSUE OF SIGN UP PARTITIONS. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.

MR. CHAIR IN A CLOSER-RELATED ISSUE, THAT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCES. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES AT HAND.

SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU WILL HAVE --

YOU CAN SPEAK.

YES, ABOUT THE PARKING LOT AND THE CONTRACT.

YES. YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING IN ORDINANCES 201-5 AND ALL AMENDMENTS TOO.

OKAY, GOT YOU.

AND THE CONTRACT. THAT'S ALL YOU SHOULD. AND IT IS ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT A PART OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT IS A PART OF THE ORDINANCE. SO WE ENCOURAGE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THAT ISSUE IF THAT IS WHAT MR. MICKLESON WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS. WITH ALL THAT SAID, ANYTHING ELSE?

OKAY, VERY GOOD. WITH THAT SAID, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

A WALK ON THE BEACH EVERY MORNING. AND I UNDERSTAND THE DRIVING ON THE BEACH. AND DRIVING BACK FROM FLAGLER OF OUR COUNTY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE DRIVING ON THE BEACH. HOWEVER THERE ARE TWO ISSUES, THE RED SAND AND THE RISING TIDES. AND THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IS IN GOD'S HAND. IF GOD WANTS IT, FINE, I DON'T ARGUE WITH GOD. IN TAKING LAND FROM DAYTONA BEACH AND PUTTING PARKING. ASPHALT OVER THE SAND DUNES.

FOR FIVE TO TEN MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THE CITY CONFERENCE EVERY YEAR IT'S A MAJOR LOSS TO THE CITY IT MAY NOT SOUND LIKE A LOT TO YOU, BUT WE CAN DO A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT WITH $10 MILLION A YEAR. THOSE PROJECTS, NOT ONLY THE LOSS OF THE BUILDING AND THE TAXES AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHATEVER, BUT THE MONEY THAT THOSE PEOPLE WOULD SPEND IF THERE WAS A HOTEL IN THAT PROJECT IS ALSO A LOSS TO THE CITY. AND COMPENSATING THE CITY WHEN YOU TAKE THAT MONEY AWAY FROM THE CITY.

20 YEARS AGO AND ASK FOR NO BEACH DRIVING.

AND WHEN WE TOOK THAT NO DRIVE OFF, WE DID END UP WITH FOUR HOTELS AND A SHOPPING CENTER. A FIFTH ONE BECAUSE OF VARIOUS REASONS IN LAWSUITS DID NOT GO IN. WHICH IS NOW DEVELOPED WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.

IT'S THE CITY'S FAULT THAT IT WAS NOT. SINCE THAT HAPPENED, THE PEOPLE THAT PUT TOGETHER FOUR CITY BLOCKS, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THEY LEFT TOWN. SO NOW IT'S MULTIPLE OWNERS AGAIN. THE RESIDENTS NEAR THERE, THE NORTH END WITH THIS PROJECT GOING TO THE DESERT END, THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE NICE. NICE HOUSES. THE PROPERTY, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY. AND THE MONEY THAT WE NEED TO NOT LOSE ONE SINGLE CAR ON THE BEACH. THE AREA THAT WE WANTED TO DEVELOP.

THANK YOU, SIR. AND THERE IS A CLOCK RIGHT HERE UNDER THE POSITION. AND ABOUT 10 TO 15 SECONDS YOU DO NEED TO START WRAPPING IT UP.

I BUTCHERED HIS NAME BEFORE. IS HE HERE? ARE YOU HERE?

NO.

OKAY. OKAY, NEVER MIND. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO CALL ANOTHER NAME. AMANDA JONES, PLEASE COME FORWARD. WE TRIED TO DO THIS IN SEVERAL WAYS. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP MOVING ON. CLAUDIA ROSE. MS ROSE, WILL YOU PLEASE STAND UP HERE. BOB WILLIAMS, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS LIST REAL FAST. MARTIN. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DEFER TO THAT ARE YOU? WHERE ARE YOU AT? OKAY, NEVER MIND. NO, HOLD ON. YOU STAY RIGHT THERE. ARE YOU HERE? HERE SHE COMES. MS ROSE, PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS CLAUDIA ROSE. I LIVE AT 701 SOUTH OF ATLANTA AVENUE.

I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE TODAY, AND MY LIFE IS GOING TO CHANGE. AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE ON THE LEFT SIDE. THE ATTORNEY IS SPEAKING ENGLISH, AND PEOPLE AFTER PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE. YOUR LEADERS IN THESE FIVE DISTRICTS. LET US FOLLOW YOU. THAT YOU PUT THIS HOT TOPIC AWAY TODAY AND HAVE ALL YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS OVER THE NEXT SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS, HAVE TOWN MEETINGS SO YOU CAN GET THE CITIZENS WITH YOU. IF YOU WILL RECALL DURING THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WE SAW SENATORS AND CONGRESSMAN FROM THE COUNTRY, FROM DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, SPEAKING OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS, TRYING TO GET THEM ON BOARD. I THINK THIS IS A TOPIC WHERE YOU SHOULD HAVE THE CITIZENS ON BOARD. AND SO IF YOU HAVE THESE TOWN HOME MEETINGS, THIS IS NOT THE VENUE TO ASK QUESTIONS AS YOU SAID, MR. WAGNER, MS DENYS, MR. PATTERSON, WE CAN SPEAK TO THEM AND SAY AND YOU'RE SHOWING US THESE PARCELS AND THIS OH MY GOODNESS. BUT IF IT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, IT WOULD BE SO HELPFUL. AND MAYBE WE'RE FRIGHTENED. MAYBE IT'S WORSE. BUT UNLESS WE CAN MEET WITH YOU AND FIND OUT WHAT'S IN STORED FOR US, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE SORT OF AGAINST IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. IT IS JUST THE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN. SO ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PUT THIS TOPIC AWAY, IT IS TOO HOT AND TO HAVE TOWN HOME MEETINGS AND FIND OUT TO GET THE CITIZENS BEHIND YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU, MA'AM. ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, COME ON UP AND HAVE A SEAT THERE IN THAT FRONT ROW. I FINALLY FOUND SOMEBODY.

LINDA BROWNLEY? OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE NEXT. STEP UP TO THE PODIUM AND I JUST FOUND SOMEBODY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SEAT FOR YOU.

THANK YOU.

WHERE ARE YOU AT, SIR?

I LIVE AT 1011 GRAND CIRCLE. I LIVE IN DAYTONA, BORN IN DAYTONA, LIVED ALL OVER VOLUSIA COUNTY.

AND I, WE MUST KEEP ON BEING FOCAL AND THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FIGHT. IN A FEW MILES THAT WE HAVE LEFT TO DRIVE, A FAIR COMPROMISE MUST SURVIVE. PLEASE LISTEN TO OUR HEARTFELT QUESTIONS AND KEEP IN MIND THAT THEY ARE OUR CHOICES. MAY DEPEND ON TODAY. AND IT IS TAKEN AWAY, THE SUNSET BEACH, PROMISES TO US AGAIN YOU HAVE DEPARTED. AND TO BECOME INSTEAD OUT OF REACH.

AND THE CAR-FREE ZONES REMAIN FOR THE REST.

TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES, YOU MAY BE GONE WITHIN A YEAR.

IS SHE PRESENT IN THIS ROOM?

I'M JUST FILLING THE ROW AND I'LL CALL YOUR NAME. OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. GREW UP HERE, WENT TO SEA BREEZE.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I SUPPORT BEACH DRIVING AND OPPOSE THE THREE OUT ORDINANCES, WHICH YOU WILL ADDRESS TODAY. THE BEACH CHARTER SECTION WAS CREATED BY VOTERS AND SERIOUS CHALLENGES TO WHICH SHOULD ALSO BE VOTED ON BY THE PEOPLE. LET VOLUSIA VOTE WOULD ALLOW THE VOTERS AND CITIZENS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY TO CHOOSE OUR OWN FATE. I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO TODAY AND SUPPORT OUR LIBERTY. LET VOLUSIA VOTE. THANK YOU. MICKEY PENDERSON R. YOU HERE? DAVID LEE DAVIS. YOU CAN COME UP AND HAVE A SEAT HERE. IF YOU WILL PLEASE BARE WITH ME IN A MOMENT HERE. COME FORWARD. SEEING THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF A FEW OF THOSE THREE. IS THAT YOU? OKAY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'VE GOT YOU. IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED HERE WITH THE PILES OF THE PAPER. ALL RIGHT. MICKEY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND I GUESS YOUR POSITION. AND YOU ALL HAVE THE FLOOR FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, SIR. AND I RUN A SMALL MOTEL THAT I OWN ON BEACH SIDE ON THE WEST SIDE OF ATLANTIC AVENUE. 1700 STUDIO ONE MOTEL. ONLY A 16-ROOM MOTEL. HIGHLY RANKED. FOR WHAT IT DOES. GOOGLE IT WHENEVER. I'M IN FAVOR OF BEACH DRIVING. BUT WHAT I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF THAN THAT IS TO LET CITIZENS ROAM. I CANNOT LET THEM VOTE AMONG THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY.

THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY SUPPORT THESE ORDINANCES AND I'M HERE TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT IT IS NOT ALL MEMBERS OF THE DAYTONA BEACH CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE THAT SUPPORT THESE ORDINANCES. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE DAYTONA BEACH CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE FOR YEARS UNTIL THIS.

AND I RAISED THE FAMILY HERE. IT WORKS BEAUTIFUL. THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY. THEY FAVOR THE BEACH DRIVING. A LOT OF THEM. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF THEM, BUT THE ONES I DO KNOW AND TALK TO PERSONALLY, A LOT OF THEM OVERSEAS. THAT YES, THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE KNOWN FOR AND THAT IS WHY THEY EVEN KNOW THAT THEY ARE HERE. I LOVE IT, OPEN THE TRUNK. IT'S LOVELY. PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT AWAY FROM US. SPLIT THE BEACH UP IN TO DIFFERENT SECTIONS I KEEP HEARING THIS SECTION OVER HERE. WE'RE GOING TO STOP. THAT'S FOR THE WEST END SECTION OVER HERE WE'RE GOING TO STOP IT FOR THE HARD ROCK. AND NOW THIS MORNING THERE WAS TALK ABOUT OPENING UP A SECTION. IT WOULD HANDICAP ACCESS PEOPLE FOR THEM TO BE. I MEAN WE'RE SPLITTING EVERYTHING UP IN TWO SECTIONS. IT MAKES NO SENSE. THE BEACH IS FOR ALL OF US. I HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT AND LET THEM VOTE ON IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR. GEORGIA, YOU'RE NEXT AT THE MICROPHONE AND I'M LOOKING FOR TOM HARVEY. AND SIR THE GENTLEMAN THERE IN THE RED, YOUR NAME IS? CHRIS RUTLEDGE. ARE YOU HERE? DID SHE EVER SHOW UP? OKAY, I'LL PUT HER OVER HERE IN THIS PILE. DONNA CRAIG AND STANLEY ESKADERO, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE. IF YOU'LL HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT, SIR. AND MS DONNA CRAIG WHEN SHE'S HERE. YOU'RE HERE, I HAVE A SEAT FOR YOU IN THE FRONT. OKAY, MS JENKINS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MY NAME IS JENKINS. I LIVE EAST OF HOLLY HILL. AND FOR TODAY I'M NOT HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR OR BEFORE BEACH DRIVING. IT IS LESS ABOUT THESE DRIVING THAN ABOUT THE PUBLIC ACCESS. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH YOU HERE. AND THE POTENTIAL FOR IMPROVEMENTS.

WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING TODAY SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUTURE CORE AREAS.

AND IN THE PARKING LOTS. THAT RADAR IS NOT SIMPLY ABOUT PARKING SPACES. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE HISTORICAL LIFE THOSE DON'T NEED TO BE ATTACHED TO YOUR OUTSIDE INVESTOR FOR US TO HAVE THAT INVESTMENT.

WILL ALLOW, OKAY? SO WHATEVER, JEFF, WHERE ARE YOU? ARE YOU READY? OKAY. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD AND SHOW THE VIDEO AND START THE CLOCK. START THE CLOCK AND SHOW THE VIDEO. AFTER EVERYTHING IS SAFE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU. IF I COULD FIND MY GLASSES.

AND TODAY IS GOING TO BE A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. I THINK IT'S FITTING.

AND I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND BEFORE YOU. AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

AND HOWEVER TODAY MY MESSAGE IS MORE SERIOUS. AND IT IS COSTING US MONEY.

AND THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE ABOUT CALL. AND IT IS NOT MEASURED BY OUR RESOLVE TO PROTECT OUR PRINCIPLES.

AND ARE YOU GOING TO BEACH CLASS?

AND TO GET US TO THE HEART OF THE ORDINANCES.

AND WE'LL START THE CLOCK.

AND THE SLAVE THAT'S THE FIRST IN BOSTON AND IN 1770 FOR THE CAUSE OF LIBERTY.

BUT SO GREAT THE CAUSE OF LIBERTY THAT THEY GAVE THEIR LIVES PROTECTING IT FOR EVERY SOLDIER WHO EVER PUT ON A UNIFORM. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE SAW LIBERTY AS SOMETHING SACRED. LIBERTY IS A PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO VOTE FOR A RIGHT OF CERTAIN CLASSES OF PEOPLE TO EVEN BE ALLOWED TO VOTE. LIBERTY IS AN ABSOLUTE, WHICH SHOULD NEVER BE COMPROMISED FOR CONVENIENCE OR ECONOMIC REWARD. DOING SO -- CALLED TO SPEAK UP AND SPEAK OUT. WE STRIKE A BLOW BETWEEN FREEDOM INDECENCY AND JUSTICE. THE IMPENDING ACTION OF THIS COUNCIL TO PASS THESE THREE ORDINANCES AT BEST. FROM BEING CERTIFIED, NOT SUPPORTING THE WISHES OF YOUR PEOPLE CAN ONLY BE COMPARED TO THE RULE OF KING GEORGE.

CHRIS RELICH. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

CHRIS RUTLEDGE. 208 WALL STREET DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COUNTY MEMBER AND THE COUNTY STAFF FOR THEIR ATTENTION ON THIS MATTER. FIRST OFF I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THIS IS NOT A TOURISM VERSE TRADITION ISSUE. MY BUSINESS RELIES ON THESE TOURISTS. THESE TOURISTS THAT SUPPORT MY BUSINESS COMES FROM BEACH DRIVING. AND THAT THE BEACH DRIVING GIVES US. THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS TIMES WHERE YOU SAY THE DAY TRIPPERS WHO DO NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORT DAYTONA'S REVENUE THAT YOU'RE SEEKING THAT THEY WOULD COME AND TELL ME. THAT NEXT YEAR I'M STAYING THE WEEK IN DAYTONA AND A DAY IN ORLANDO. WE LOSE THAT MARKETING ADVANTAGE WHEN WE GET RID OF THE CARS. TO DIRECT MY ATTENTION TO THE COUNCIL NOW, YOUR JOB AS ELECTED OFFICIALS IS TO CARRY OUT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. YOU'RE NOT TASKED WITH SOME PIE IN THE SKY DIRECTIVE TO DO WHAT YOU DEEM NECESSARY OR BEST FOR THE COUNTY. YOU ULTIMATELY ANSWER TO THE PEOPLE IN YOUR TOP PRIORITY AND WE ARE YOUR TOP PRIORITY. AND WE AS A MAJORITY DO NOT SUPPORT THESE ORDINANCES. I ASK YOU TO NOT LET THE DEVELOPERS BULLY YOU. THE HARD ROCK AS IT ALREADY INITIALLY STATED THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE CARS. IN FACT SOME OF THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS STILL DISPLAY THE CARS ON THE BEACH IN FRONT OF THEIR HOTEL. THEY HAVE SHOWN THEIR HAND ON THIS, THE ISSUE IS NOT A DEAL BREAKER FOR THEM. THEY ARE ALREADY COMMITTED TO DAYTONA. THEY DO THE RIGHT THING, AND THEY HOLD THEM TO THEIR ORIGINAL AGREEMENT. AS FOR THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT, THE 60 SPACES IS GOING IN ON WISTERIA. TO ME THAT SHOWS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE THE PRIVATE BEACH. THAT WISTERIA AREA IS NOWHERE NEAR THE HARD ROCK. SO YES THEY HAVE THE WALK WAY THERE. THERE WILL BE NO PARKING LOT TO GET -- PARKING TO GET BEHIND THERE. YOU REMEMBER THE CARS FROM THAT, YOU ARE GIVING THEM EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULDN'T AND THAT IS A PRIVATE BEACH. AS A CLOSING STATEMENT, I WANT EVERYBODY HERE TO REALIZE THAT THIS WILL NOT END WITH THIS VOTE TODAY. THIS WILL ULTIMATELY BE DECIDED IN THE POLLS AT THE NEXT ELECTION. YOUR VOTE HERE WILL FOLLOW. FOLLOW YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR POLITICAL CAREERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. DONNA CRANK.

HI, MY NAME IS DONNA CRAIG, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU TODAY. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE GREW UP HERE TO MOVE TO THIS AREA WHEN WE WERE TWO YEARS OLD AND THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. AND SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. TO DISCOVER THE WAY IT HAS BEEN CHOPPED UP. AND ANY FINANCIAL GAIN TO THE AREA AND THAT IT DOES EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. SO MY HOPE IS THAT YOU WILL LET VOLUSIA VOTE, THAT YOU WILL GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THAT THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS AND THAT I HOPE YOU'LL LISTEN TO THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MR. STANLEY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, 3034 SOUTH PENINSULA AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND ALSO AT THE VERY END WITH LARYNGITIS AND UNABLE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL TODAY. I SPEAK BEFORE YOU AS -- ONE WHO GREW UP IN DAYTONA.

LOVE THE BEACH.

IF I COULD HAVE MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, I WOULD RETURN IT TO THE SITUATION EXISTED IN THE 40s AND THE 50s. YOU COULD DRIVE AT NIGHT AND HAVE BOND FIRES AND KEG PARTIES AND TAKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND TO THE BEACH AND WATCH THE MARINE RACES AND ALL EVERYTHING. BUT MUCH LIKE THE MISSPENT YOUTH AND OTHER THINGS THAT THOSE DAYS ARE GONE. TODAY OUR COUNTY AND ITS RESOURCES FACE EVER INCREASING POPULATION WITH VASTLY EXPANDED GOVERNMENT. TO RESPOND TO THE DEMANDS FOR SERVICES PLACED ON IT BY ITS CITIZENS. AND IN THIS CHANGE ORDER.

VOTING REFERENCES TO THE PEOPLE WE ELECTED YOU AS THE FOUNDERS INTENDED US TO TO DO YOUR JOB AND EXERCISE YOUR BEST JUDGMENT ON THIS CONTENTIOUS ISSUE. AND WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL DO EXACTLY THAT. WE PRAY FOR YOUR WISDOM, AND WE APPLAUD WHAT WE ARE CONFIDENT WILL BE YOUR GOOD JUDGMENT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU. ARE YOU HERE? I SAW HIM RUNNING AROUND SOMEWHERE. THERE YOU ARE. DID YOU FALL ASLEEP? COME FORWARD AFTER THAT. ALL RIGHT. I'LL BE FIRST. YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.

STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. WE'RE GETTING TO A HALFWAY POINT HERE. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. OR ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT ATTACHED?

I ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

OKAY. I NOTICED THAT I HAD TWO HERE.

I SPEAK FOR NO ONE ELSE.

OKAY.

NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

255 EUCLID AVENUE DAYTONA BEACH. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS TODAY. I KNOW IT'S HURT A LOT OF FEELINGS THIS LITTLE CAMPAIGN TO TAKE AWAY THE FINAL DECISION ON BEACH AVENUE FROM THE ELECTED OFFICIALS HANDS, BUT ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT WITH THE RIGHTS THEY HAVE TO VOTE TO RATIFY YOUR DECISION ON A BOND. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO HIS OPINION ABOUT OUR FORMER GOVERNMENT, SOME DECISIONS RISE ON BEYOND A FEW ELECTED OFFICIALS.

SIR, SIR ORDER. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ON THIS STACK IN FRONT OF YOU REPRESENTS 800 SIGNED CHARTER AMENDMENT PETITIONS. IF I SQUISH THEM DOWN REAL GOOD, I THINK THAT 1,000 CAN FIT IN THIS BOX. THIS BOX IS SIX INCHES TALL. WHEN YOU ADD UP WHAT WE HAVE GIVEN IN THE FALL AND WHAT SHE IS CERTIFIED AS VALID. WHEN YOU TAKE THE 1700 THAT HAVE BEEN DECLARED INVALID FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. AND THE ONES RIGHT HERE ON THIS TABLE. IT'S OVER 17,300 PETITIONS. IF YOU STACK THEM UP IT'S MORE THAN NINE FEET TALL. THAT'S BIGGER THAN ME, BIGGER THAN YOU, BIGGER THAN HE WHO WILL NOT BE DEFERRED TO.

SIR, PLEASE DO NOT POINT OUT INDIVIDUALS. THIS IS YOUR TIME TO MAKE YOUR POINT.

BIGGER THAN US, JASON.

CONTINUE.

CAN I GET A SELFIE?

WHY NOT.

DEREK

SUSAN BOUQUET. B-O-U-S-Q-U-E-T. I DON'T SPEAK FRENCH, SO I CAN'T PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY. ONE MOMENT. AND I HAVE ONE MORE NAME TO CALL. LET'S SEE WHERE DID I GET THIS ONE? JEFF BROWER.

BROWER. IF YOU'LL COME UP AND HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW HERE.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE HAVE, THIS MIGHT TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE MR. HYATT BROWN WHO IS SPEAKING, WHO WILL BE ALLOTTED SIX MINUTES FOR THE FACT THAT HE IS REPRESENTING THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS. PLEASE STAND AS I CALL YOUR NAME IF YOU ARE IN THE ROOM. LORETTA ARTHUR. STEVE SATHER. GENTRY ROBINSON? ALLEN FLORES. TOM TANILL

GREG MOTTO. RAFAEL RAMIREZ. MARY FURR. IS THAT F-U-R-R? I HOPE THAT'S CORRECT. CHRIS BOLLER. LAURA JACKSON. JEFF -- B-R-E-U-R. IS THAT RIGHT? JEFF, ARE YOU HERE? I CANNOT READ YOUR WRITING HERE. I'M GOING TO SAY BREUR. OKAY, STAND UP, PLEASE SIR. MATTHEW DURACK. PROBABLY MOST OF YOU ARE STANDING UP. BECAUSE WE HAVE STANDING-ROOM ONLY HERE. JOHN SANDERS. DARRYL WOLF. CHERYL COXWELL. GARY CROTTY. BRETT SHARBACH. BAT RICK McDERMITT. DANIEL, JORDAN GELATI. THAT'S THE FIRST PILE. OKAY, AND I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS. I HAVE A PILE OF OTHER NAMES THAT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT'S FOR. ALL RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT HERE AGAIN. HERE WE GO.

KENYA LAVELL? JANELLE SALUDO OWENS. RAFAEL COLEMAN. REVEREND BELDON. MEGAN HUGHES. JOEY POSEY. EDISON ZACHS. PLEASE STAND UP. MR. JACKSON. DR. JACKSON. LOOKING THROUGH ALL THESE THINGS. DANIEL, OH DANIEL SMITH. ROBERT LASONE. DOUG HALL. H. KELLUM BROWN. WHO'S THAT? OH THERE YOU ARE. MR. BROWN. NANCY BURGESS-HALL. JIM ROSSEY? R-O-S-I, AM I CORRECT? OH ROSE. HOW COME I HAVE A HARD TIME READING ALL THEIR NAMES. KEEP GOING, WE'RE GOING. DAN FRANCOTTI. JIM WATCHILL. THOMAS LEEK. JEFFREY HOFFSTEADER. COMPLAIN TO STAFF. YOU'VE GOT TO STAPLE THEM. JANET. I HOPE THAT'S RIGHT.

KATHLEEN VOGEL. ANNE BELK. MARK DAUST. MARGIE PAJEK. GLEN STORCH. CLAY IRVIN. PEGGY FARMER. LYLE TRACKMAN. GIGI GALLOWAY. FRANK FARMER. A SECOND PILE. I HAVE MANY MORE PILES TO GO, SO BARE WITH US. WE PROMISED THAT WE WOULD DO THIS. AND BY THE WAY ALL OF THESE INFORMATION, WHOEVER HAS THAT CELL PHONE ON, PLEASE TURN IT OFF. ALL OF THE ADDRESSES AND EVERYTHING WILL BE POSTED ON THE WEB, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERYBODY'S ADDRESS, BECAUSE WE WOULD BE HERE FOR ANOTHER THREE DAYS. PATRICIA C-U-N-N-A-H? AM I CORRECT? BERNISE CASANERO. MARTIN MILLEN. JOHNNY DEJESUS. OLIVIA OROZCO. FOSTO FLORES. DAVID CARDOSO. DIANA TORANO. LAUREN BURNETT. DAWN WIND. KARLA REYES. SABAZARI. OR I GUESS THAT'S SRBIA. KATHY MASTERSON. MAUREEN SHELTON. HEATHER MATSON. RANDY ROBERTS. MANUEL

BRAVA. ILIONA SAUNDERS. ALLEN FUNKHILL. THE UNKNOWN PERSON, I DO NOT KNOW. ADDRESS IS 1615 DAYTONA BEACH. WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF? OKAY. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BUT STAND UP ANYWAY.

JIM, IS THAT LIKE THE JIM? OR A TIM TOLANO? OKAY. THIRD PILE. TWO ADDITIONALS. JIM MORRIS. ONE MOMENT OR KEEP GOING. OKAY, KEEP GOING. HERE WE GO. JOHN ALRIGHT. ARSON. ROB MERRILL. DANIEL DAVIS. STEVE, DID I NOT? I THINK I DID. MIKE PILE. KAYLA DARDIN. JIM OTTI. SCOTT FRANK. TYLER McCALLISTER. DEDDS. MARGARET HAULER. BRIAN SCHNELL. LISA VORACOM. TAMMY, I HOPE I'M CORRECT.

IT LOOKS LIKE MACLA. AS YOU BOTH SAID YOU WERE SPEAKING FOR HIM. AND I THINK CHARLES LICKMAN. STAND.

HE LEFT.

OH HE LEFT. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT IS BEING REPRESENTED BY MR. BROWN IN THIS DISCUSSION. OKAY. GO AHEAD.

A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL. ANYONE, EVERYONE WHOSE NAME WAS CALLED BECAUSE WE CANNOT TELL. CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND?

ALL RIGHT, SECOND THING. ANYONE WHOSE NAME WAS CALLED. YOU NEED TO DO THIS FOR THE RECORD. ANYONE'S NAME THAT WAS CALLED AND MR. BROWN IS NOT SPEAKING FOR THEM. YOU'LL NEED TO STAY ON BECAUSE YOU WILL LOSE YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK. ALSO ANYONE'S NAME WHO IS NOT CALLED AND WHAT IS EXPECTED TO BE CALLED BECAUSE MR. BROWN IS GOING TO SPEAK FOR THEM. WELL HERE IS WHAT YOU CAN DO. RAISE YOUR HAND RIGHT NOW SO I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE. HERE IS WHAT YOU MUST DO. AFTER YOU'RE DONE, YOU'LL NEED TO GET THE SLIPS TO YOU. YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A SLIP TO GET TO THEM AND MARK YOU'RE ONE OF THE ONES THAT MR. BROWN WAS SPEAKING OF.

DID ANY OF YOU FILL THAT IN? YES, THEY ALL FILLED THAT YELLOW FORM.

DO ME A FAVOR AND MAKE A DUPLICATE AND WE WILL CHECK.

YEAH, PLEASE STEP OVER THERE AND MAKE A DUPLICATE OF THE FORMS AND THAT I CANNOT GIVE YOU TWO BITES OF THE APPLE.

RIGHT.

SO PLEASE, WE ARE USING THE HONOR SYSTEM. IF YOU JUST RAISED YOUR HANDS TO STEP OVER THERE AND PLEASE FILL THAT OUT. ALL RIGHT. MR. BROWN?

YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES, THANK YOU.

PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF. I LIVE AT 213 RIVERSIDE DRIVE. AND DAYTONA BEACH AS I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE POSITIVES. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE. AND LET'S FLASH BACK FOR A MOMENT TO 1946 THROUGH 1952 OR '53. THE THEN STATE OF FLORIDA LICENSE TAGS ON AUTOS, THE FIRST NUMBER WAS THE COUNTY NUMBER AND IT RANKS YOU BASED ON YOUR POPULATION. VOLUSIA COUNTY WAS THEN EIGHT. IF THAT'S THE ONLY THING DONE, YOU'D BE AT 11. THAT'S NOT A NEGATIVE. IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR THE FUTURE. AND SOME OF OUR COMPETING COUNTIES ARE DOING A LITTLE BETTER. IF YOU LOOK AT THE U.S. BUREAU OF THE CONSENSUS, FOR THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME, AND VOLUSIA COUNTY, IT'S APPROXIMATELY $42,000 TO $43,000. AND FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA, IT IS $47,000 TO $48,000. AND A GAME THAT'S NOT A NEGATIVE. BUT A CHALLENGE. THAT WE CAN DO THIS. AND IT WILL BE EVEN BETTER AND THAT WE MUST DO BETTER AND WE CAN.

AND YOU ALL CAN SIT DOWN AS WE KNOW IT GETS A LITTLE TIRING TO STAND UP. BUT WE TODAY, WE HAVE BEEN AN UPRISING OF A SUPPORT AND AS A RESULT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.

YES, SEVERAL THOUSAND MANUFACTURING AND SERVICE JOBS. THEY'RE HIGHER PAYING HERE IN THIS COUNTY, SEVERAL THOUSAND. AND SO WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE IN 1959, BROWN AND BROWN HAD EIGHT PEOPLE. WE NOW HAVE 375 PEOPLE. WE HAVE RECRUITED PEOPLE FROM ELSEWHERE TO BRING THEM TO VOLUSIA COUNTY AND THEY DON'T JUST LIVE IN DAYTONA BEACH, BUT THEY LIVE ALL OVER THE COUNTY. SO THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT MANY OF WHOM HAD TO BE CONVINCED INITIALLY. AND IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR THE FUTURE. SO ALL OF THIS MEANS THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THESE CHANGES. AND IT WILL HAVE TO INCREASE OUR QUALITY TOO. AND SO THE BUZZ STARTS, AND AS THE BUZZ STARTS, IT ADDS TO ITSELF. AND I VIEW THIS OPPORTUNITY IS ONE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.

AND FRANKLY I LISTENED TODAY TO ALL OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ORDINANCES AND ABOUT THE DISCUSSION.

AND LEGAL AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF THAT IS REALLY, REALLY VERY WELL DONE AND THAT WE CAN ALL BE VERY PROUD OF WHEN IT IS PASSED. AND SO IN CONCLUSION, AND THIS IS A STEP. IT IS A POSITIVE STEP, ONE THAT WE WILL NEVER REGRET. BUT ONE IN THE FUTURE THAT WE WILL SAY GOOD JOB.

THANK YOU.

MR. JIM OTTI YOU ARE NEXT AT THE MICROPHONE. YOU ARE HERE, OKAY. AND LET ME FIND ANOTHER PERSON TO FILL THAT SEAT THEN. DEREK, DID YOU SHOW UP? YOU ARE HERE. OKAY. AND SUSAN. BOUSQUET, OKAY. AND JEFF BRUER, YOU'RE HERE, JEFFREY SMITH, PLEASE COME FORWARD. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GOOD MORNING COUNTY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JIM OTTI AND I LIVE AT 4105 CARDINAL BOULEVARD. I CONSISTENTLY LIVE ON A PORTION OF THE -- I CURRENTLY LIVE ON A PORTION OF THE BEACH WHERE THERE ARE NO CARS. IT'S NOT BY MY CHOICE. IF THE COUNTY WERE TO EVER BRING BACK BEACH DRIVING, WHICH I DOUBT IT WOULD EVER HAPPEN, I'D BE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO DRIVE THERE. A FEW MONTHS AGO I WAS WITH A LOT AT THE REDEDICATION OF THE SPEEDWAY. AND I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE ARE MANY CITIZENS WHO MR. BROWN JUST SPOKE FOR. WHO I'VE WORKED WITH ON MANY ISSUES IN THE PAST FOR BOTH BEFORE AND AGAINST AND I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE TODAY. I'M HERE TO SPEAK FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY. AND WE WERE AT THE REDEDICATION OF THE SPEEDWAY. THEY'RE BUILDING THAT BACK. I JUST FIND IT IRONIC THAT THE BEACH DRIVING THAT ORIGINALLY BROUGHT PEOPLE HERE TO TEST OUT THE SPEED OF THEIR CARS. AND TO STAY IN NORMAN BEACH, THE BIRTHPLACE OF SPEED. AND THEN FOR THE FRANCE FAMILY TO COME HERE AND FIND IT UNATTRACTED AREA TO SET UP NASCAR AND TO START THAT ON THE BEACH AND TO BUILD THE SPEEDWAY. AND TO HAVE THE EVENTS THAT ARE A TAX DONOR COUNTY.

AND THAT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, ALL STARTED BECAUSE OF BEACH DRIVING. WHERE SHE 47 MILES OF COASTLINE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. RIGHT NOW ABOUT 30 MILES OF IT CAN'T BE DRIVEN ON. SO I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT IF THERE'S AREAS WHERE PEOPLE DON'T WANT CARS, THEY FIND THOSE AREAS AND GO TO THEM. THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM. HARD ROCK HAS SAID THEY WOULD WORK WITH US.

WHERE WILL IT STOP? YOU KNOW, WE COULD STOP IT TODAY. WE COULD STOP IT TODAY BY VOTING THIS DOWN OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT I CAN'T KEEP GETTING PECKED TO DEATH ON MY BEACH. SO IF YOU WOULD GIVE THAT CONSIDERATION, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR. DID TOM EVER SHOW UP? TOM HARVEY. ARE YOU AROUND? NOPE. OKAY. OKAY. DEREK, YOU ARE NEXT. AND I WOULD LIKE CONNIE TO COME DOWN AND FILL THAT SEAT. YOU'RE RIGHT THERE. GO AHEAD AND FILL THAT RIGHT THERE. AND I HAVE ELAINE.

IT LOOKS LIKE BARNACLE, OH, I MESSED UP ENOUGH NAMES TODAY, I'M TRYING NOT TO. SIR? STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GOOD MORNING, I'M DEREK. I LIVE AT 100 EAST KENTUCKY AVENUE IN FLORIDA.

AND IT IS MY PROFESSION.

AND TO EVENTUALLY BENEFIT ME.

AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE POSSIBLY BREAKING UP OUR BEACH AS I REALIZE THAT WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF DRIVING AREA ON THE BEACH. BUT IT'S DISCOURAGING THAT OUR COUNTY WAS NOT FOUNDED ON BEACH DRIVING, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND APPRECIATED BY THE PEOPLE. AND I'VE ALSO INVOLVED WITH SPORTS CAR RACING. AND I KNOW PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD THAT COME HERE AND THEY ALSO DO ENJOY THE BEACH. DRIVING ON THE BEACH. IT'S A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR THEM.

AND WITH MY FAMILY. AND ALSO THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO THE BEACH DRIVING. AND THAT I WOULD ASK THAT WE DO NOT PASS THESE ORDINANCES. AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE DEVELOPERS COOPERATE WITH THE COUNTY. IN ALLOWING BEACH DRIVING TO CONTINUE.

AND I'M DISCOURAGED THAT WE WILL BE HERE TODAY AND THAT IT IS ALSO POSITIVE HERE.

AND THERE ARE OPPOSING VIEWS, VERY VALID AS WELL.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DECISION FOR THE COUNTY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SUSAN? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS SUSAN BOUSQUET. I LIVE 56900LENNOX AVENUE IN DAYTONA BEACH. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS.

THIS BODY TODAY. I HAVE MANY CONCERNS, BUT ONLY A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME. I'M OPPOSED TO THE ORDINANCE THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED TODAY AND ASK THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST THEM. I'M VERY ACTIVE IN OUR SOUTH ATLANTIC NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

I ATTENDED AND PARTICIPATE RECEIVED IN EVIDENCE MEETINGS WITH REPRESENTATIVES. AND FAMILY FRIENDLY. WHEN DID YOU ALL GET SO UPPITY? THIS IS DAYTONA BEACH. WE'RE NOT SOUTH BEACH. WE DON'T WANT TO BE SOUTH BEACH. WE LOVE OUR NASCAR, WE HAVE BIKE WEEK, DON'T CHANGE US. MR. WAGNER WAS QUOTED RECENTLY ABOUT THE NEED TO PURCHASE LAND FOR OFFBEACH PARKING. WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS OR RISK LOSING WHAT WE CHERISH THE MOST AND THAT IS TOURISM, NOT VOTERS, NOT RESIDENTS, NOT TAXPAYERS, NOT CITIZENS. WE CHERISH TOURISM. I'M SAD. THANK YOU.

PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND TO FILL THAT SPOT, TOM SPENCER. DID HE SHOW UP? IF NOT, OKAY. HAVE YOU BEEN ASKING ME?

YES, I WAS JUST WONDERING, UNLESS YOU KNOW HIM.

I'M SORRY. ALL I'M ASKING IS GENERALLY IF HE IS PRESENT AND HE DID NOT SHOW UP.

CAN I HAVE HIS THREE MINUTES?

YOU MAY NOT, BUT THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

SHOOT.

BEFORE I START MR. CHAIRMAN. I ONLY NEED 15 MINUTES TO INTRODUCE A GROUP THAT I CAME WITH, BUT CAN I QUICKLY HAVE MY QUESTION TO JUST STAND UP? STAND UP. IT IS A THREE-MINUTE THING.

OH, I KNOW. I DON'T NEED 15 MINUTES, SPEAKING LIKE I DID.

OKAY. COME ON UP, KIDS. COME UPFRONT. THIS YOUNG MAN HAS COLLECTED HUNDREDS, MAYBE THOUSANDS OF PETITIONS. BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, SIR.

YES, SIR.

I HOPE HE'S COMING UP HERE. I SEE THAT YOU BROUGHT YOUR FAMILY.

I DID, THE FINE YOUNG FAMILY THAT YOU HAVE HERE AND YOU WILL SEE YOUR NAME AND FAMILY. AND THEY WERE SERVING ON THE JURY DUTY TODAY ACROSS THE HALL. WE LIVE AT 310 DAWSON ROAD. I WAS RAISED ON DAYTONA BEACH AND A LIFE GUARD IN THE 70s WHEN THE BEACH WAS PACKED WITH CARS EVERYWHERE. BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHY I'M HERE TODAY. I BROUGHT MY KIDS BECAUSE THIS IS A CIVIC LESSON FOR THEM AS WE HOME SCHOOL OUR CHILDREN AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY ATTENTIVE THROUGH THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN SEASON WHEN ALL OF YOU WERE RUNNING FOR COUNTY COUNCIL AND WHEN ALL OF THIS FROM THE NATIONAL TO THE CITY CAMPAIGNS. WE ARE TEACHING OUR CHILDREN TO BE GOOD CITIZENS. WE ARE TEACHING THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO BE INVOLVED AND IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE INPUT. AND TO BE INVOLVED IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND THAT THEY RELISH THE FACT OF GOING TO MANY CAMPAIGN SPEECHES. THEY READ WHAT YOU WROTE IN THE PAPER, THEY WROTE WHAT YOU READ ON FACEBOOK.

LET US VOICES BE HEARD. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

GOOD MORNING, I'M JEFFREY SMITH. AND I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. ALONG WITH MY CHILDREN AND MY FAMILY. AND THEY WERE ALL BORN HERE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. AND EVERY GENERATION OF MY FAMILY HAS ENJOYED DRIVING ON THE BEACH. OVER THE PAST TWO GENERATIONS, HOWEVER, WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE, ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO ENJOY THAT BEACH DESPITE ITS USE BEING DEEMED AND A RIGHT THROUGH COMMON USE. THE LOSS OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES CANNOT CONTINUE WITHOUT BEING BASED ON THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENCE HAVING THE SAME VOICE AS DEVELOPERS AND SPECIAL INTERESTS. THE LINE IN THE SAND HAS BEEN DRAWN. WE MUST STOP TO DEVELOPERS BASED ON THE PROMISE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BEACH DRIVING EXISTS ON LESS THAN HALF OF VOLUSIA COUNTY BEACHES ALREADY. IF YOU WANT TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY THAT FRONTS A NO DRIVE BEACH, SEEK OUT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THEY ALREADY EXIST. RESIDENCE, FAMILIES, AND TAXPAYERS HAVE ALREADY GIVEN MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE. PLEASE VOTE NO AND I NEED CLARIFICATION. THE ORDINANCE NUMBERS ARE 2015, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT. I'M ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE VOTE NO ON ORDINANCES 2015, '06, '07, AND '08. ULTIMATELY WE ASK FOR ONE SIMPLE CONSIDERATION. GIVE US YOUR CONSTITUENCY THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY IN HOW MUCH ACCESS TO THE BEACH WE HAVE. GIVE US OUR VOTE. LET VOLUSIA VOTE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR.

GENIE. AND YOU ARE UP AND I'M LOOKING FOR I HOPE THAT IT WILL BE WIGI, AM I EVEN CLOSE? OKAY. AND I'LL BE CALLING THE LIST OF NAMES THAT YOU'LL BE REPRESENTING. MA'AM, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. AND IN FLORIDA.

YESTERDAY I TRIED TO CALL MY REPRESENTATIVE FROM WHERE I LIVE. ON A HOMEOWNER AND TAXPAYER AND VOTER. I CALLED THE CITIZENS HOTLINE.

AND THE SAME THING. OBVIOUSLY THEY DID NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM ME. SO I E-MAILED. I'LL READ THE E-MAIL.

AND AGAINST DRIVING ON THE BEACH AND THIS IS AN EXCUSE TO HELP YOU GET TO YOUR GOAL. AND THAT WAS INSPITE OF PROMISES AND CAMPAIGNS. AND THAT WERE NOT KEPT AND THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DON'T VOTE. AND I'M TIRED OF IT. AND TIRED OF COMPETITION THAT DID NOT KEEP THEIR WORD. AND A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY. I WAS OUT THERE EARLY VOTING AND GREETING. AND SO MANY PEOPLE SAID NOT INTERESTED, NOT INTERESTED. AND THIS IS WHY.

ONE MOMENT.

OKAY, DI NOT KNOW THAT WE HAD PEOPLE SITTING HERE WAITING FOR ITEMS, SO I HAVE TO STEP BACK FOR A MOMENT HERE.

ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, THOSE WILL BE HEARD AFTER LUNCH. HELLO? THERE IS NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT IN BETWEEN BEFORE LUNCH, SO THE TRANSFER OF HUGH WEST NORTH STONE STREET FROM THE BEHAVIORAL. SO IF YOU ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THAT MATTER, THAT WILL BE HEARD AFTER LUNCH, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. ALL RIGHT, MS CONNIE, I KNOW IT'S TAKING SOME TIME. BUT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO FILL YOUR CHAIR BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT IN THE FRONT ROW.

GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS CONNIE COLBY I LIVE AT 108ROBBLE LANE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK MOSTLY ABOUT '08 ON YOUR ORDINANCE DRAFT THAT YOU HAVE, HOWEVER I WAS LISTENING TO ALL THE MONEY THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO SPEND FOR DIFFERENT PARKINGPLACES, THINKING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FREE PARKING. THE ORDINANCE DRAFT FOR 2015-08 STATES THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS A PRIORITY OF THE COUNTY COUNTY OF VOLUSIA. I SUGGEST THAT THE BEST INTEREST SHOULD BE THE FIRST PRIORITY OF THIS COUNCIL. AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE DAYTONA AREA FIRST NEEDS TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND FIX THE ISSUES OF CRIME, LIGHT, DRUGS, HOMELESSNESS, AND OTHER EMPLOYMENT THE ORDINANCE IS ALSO STATING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE OCEAN FRONT PROPERTY IS ESSENTIAL TO IMPROVING TOURISM MARKET. AND THE PROPERTY THAT IS SLATED TO HAVE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HARD ROCK. ONLY HAS 11 FLOORS OF HOTEL ROOMS. AND THE 19 FLOORS ABOVE THAT IS SLATED TO BE CONDOS. AND THEY ARE BEING MARKETED. STARTING AT $300,000. THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOURISM ROOMS, BRINGING TOURISM TO THE COUNTY. THOSE WILL BE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

TOURISTS WHO COME TO THIS AREA, A LOT OF THEM STAY ALONG I-95 WITH THEIR FAMILIES. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO DRIVE ALONG THE BEACH WITH THEIR CHILDREN. AND PARK ON THE BEACH.

CLOSING PARTS OF THE BEACH, IT WILL MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GET ON AND OFF AND STOPPING GOING UP AND DOWN. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS. THE RESIDENCE ARE LEAD TO BELIEVE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNED IT.

AND IT'S GOING TO BECOME A HARD ROCK HOTEL AND CAFE. AND THE CONDO AT THIS LOCATION ARE BEING MARKETED BY BAY SHORE CAPITAL INCORPORATED UNDER THE NAME OF THE RESIDENCES AT HARD ROCK. AND THEY HAVE CENTERED IN FROM WHAT I'M READING ON THE INTERNET THAT I HOPE I'M NOT SPEAKING. THEY HAVE ENDED IN TO THE ELIMINATED PARTNERSHIP TO USE THE HARD ROCK TRADE MARC TO TERMINATE PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONDOMINIUMS. IT'S ALSO REPORTED THAT SEVERAL RELEASED REPORT HAVES BEEN SOLD AND APPARENTLY THOSE PEOPLE WERE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER IT WILL BE CARS ON THE BEACH IN FRONT OF THE PLACES.

I'D LIKE TO READ FROM THE DISCLAIMER ABOUT THOSE CONDOMINIUMS. IT SAYS THAT THE UNITS ARE NOT OWNED TO BE DESIGNED OR DEVELOPED OR SOLD BY HARD ROCK LIMITED OR HARD ROCK CAFE INTERNATIONAL. OR ANY OF THEIR AFFILIATES COLLECTIVELY HARD ROCK. THE SELLER IS CURRENTLY USING THE HARD ROCK TRADE MARC UNDER THE LICENSING AGREEMENT. WHICH LICENSE AGREEMENT WILLS TERMINATE PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT. OF THE CONDOMINIUMS, SUBJECT TO ENTERING IN TO DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS WITH HARD ROCK.

ALL RIGHT, MA'AM? MA'AM? IT -- YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

SORRY, I KNOW.

YOU ARE NOTOKAY.

BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE VALET PARKING FOR THE SCOOTERS AND THE WHEELCHAIRS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE FOR THE BEACH VERSION, NOT REALLY SURE HOW WELL THAT'S GOING TO WORK. AND MY HUSBAND IS A BIG GUY. IF YOU WANT TO HELP PUSH SOMEBODY OUT OF THE SOUTH SAND, THAT WOULD -- WOULD BE AWESOME. I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THESE PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW ANY OF YOU. AND PEOPLE, IT STRUCK A CORD IN PEOPLE BECAUSE I WAS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS PERSONAL TO ME THAT I CRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE MOONLIGHT ON THE OCEAN IS AWESOME. I CAN'T EVER TAKE MY HUSBAND DOWN THERE TO SEE THAT. AS MUCH AS WE TALKED ABOUT HANDICAP ACCESS, THE IDA IDEA IS EQUAL ACCESS. AND SO WHEREVER THERE IS NO BEACH DRIVING, MY HUSBAND HAS NO ACCESS TO THE HARD PACKED SAND. HE CAN'T ENJOY THE AREA BEHIND THE HARD ROCK IF THERE IS NO DRIVING. HE CAN'T ENJOY THE AREA IF THERE IS NO DRIVING. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR IDEA IS THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS SPECIAL AREA OVER HERE AND THEY CAN GO OVER THERE, BUT MAYBE WE WANT TO GO BEHIND THE BOARD WALKS SO WE CAN WATCH OR LISTEN TO ONE OF THE CONCERTS. WE CAN'T DO THAT. THEY COULD NEVER ACCESS THE AREA BEHIND THE BOARD WALK. BUT FOR ME IT'S A DAILY ISSUE. IF WE CAN'T GET THERE, I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE FRUSTRATED. ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE JUMP ON BOARD. 16,000 WHO SIGNED PETITIONS, OKAY? THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE MOTIVE. I'M NOT A POLITICIAN. I WORK WITH DISABLED AND HANDICAPPED KIDS. MY THOUGHT IS IF YOU LET THE PEOPLE VOTE, THEN YOU HAVE THE INPUT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU DON'T. I SENT SEVERAL -- SEVERAL E-MAILS AS MOST OF YOU DON'T ACTUALLY TALK IN PERSON, BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT, TOM SPENCER, DID YOU MAKE IT DOWN HERE? OH HE'S COMING? COME ON UP. MR. SPENCER. HELLO.

YOU THINK? MY NAME IS TOM SPENCER. AND I'M GOING TO BREAK THE RULE. BUT YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. YOU'RE THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE. THAT IN THE PAST, I'M GOING TO USE EVERYBODY SINCE THIS WHOLE THING STARTED THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED THAT WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE. IF THEY DID WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE WHEN THEY SAID WE'RE TAKING NINE MILES A BEACH THAT THE COMMISSIONER SHOULD IMMEDIATELY START BUYING UP LAND TO HAVE ACCESS. SO THAT THEY CAN GO TO THE PEOPLE AND THAT WE STILL GAVE YOU ACCESS. WHENEVER YOU CAME, WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO FALL, I DID TWO OF THEM. THEY FAILED BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO BIG AS WE KNOW THAT THIS OUTFIT IS GOING TO BE TOO BIG AS WE DON'T KNOW THAT. WE'RE PUTTING ALL OF OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET. WHAT IF YOU BUY FOUR SMALLER ONES WITH SMALLER PARKING. MAYBE FOUR TO FIVE WHERE YOU'RE NOT SHAVING THE BEACH AS THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP AND BE A LITTLE MORE COSTLY, BUT THEY WOULD STILL IN THE END BE IN A BEACH THAT WILL BE UNDER VALUED AND UNDERUSED. THEY'RE NOT SPENDING $100 MILLION TO TAKE BEACH DRIVING AWAY. THEY'RE TAKING IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE AND THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. I STAND CORRECTED IF THEY WANT TO CORRECT ME, BUT WHEN I GO UNDER YOUR WEBSITE, I SEE THREE VENUES, ALL THREE OF THEM ARE CASINOS. BUT THEY ALSO OWN A CASINO, ONE BLOCK OFF THE TRIP IN LAS VEGAS, NEVADA. IN ORDER TO GET GAMBLING APPROVED. I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST THAT PERSONALLY, BUT IS IT A WAY TO GET THEM IN PLACE AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL OF THIS ALL OVER AGAIN. AND THAT WE HAVE ALREADY VOTED ONE TIME AND SAID THAT WE DID NOT WANT GAMBLING. SO BEFORE THIS PASSES, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. IS IT PROCESSED NOW IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT THERE WILL BE NO GAMBLING OR GAMING UNTIL THE CITIZENS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY VOTE FOR IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. TO TAKE CHERYL'S POSITION. JEFF B-R-O-K. BROK. IS THAT B-R-O-K?

ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON. MARK PATTON?

THERE IT IS. THANK YOU, SIR. PAM SANCHEZ? NO THAT IS RAY SANCHEZ. OKAY. YOU'RE UP NEXT.

YEAH.

BUT DID YOU REFER TO IT? ORIGINALLY, BUT IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE PILE.

OKAY, YOU WEREN'T IN THAT PILE. OKAY.

AND DID YOU STAND UP?

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY.

DO YOU WANT ME TO DEFER AND WAVE? I'LL BE FINE WITH IT.

YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE YOU DEFER AND WAVE, SIR. I'LL PUT YOU OVER HERE. NOW WE NEED TO PUT DARRYL TOLL. YOU DEFERRED.

SAME.

OKAY.

LINDA? I GATHERED. WHERE ARE YOU AT, MA'AM? OKAY. YES, COME ON DOWN. YES, I FORGOT THAT. OKAY, WE'LL PUT YOU IN THERE AND I NEED TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON HERE. SUSAN. IT ENDS IN AN RS. OKAY, SUSAN, YOUR ADDRESS THAT YOU LIVE AT 324 LENNOX, WHERE ARE YOU AT? HOW DO YOU SAY YOUR LAST NAME, MA'AM?

WATTERS.

WATTERS.

THAT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE WATERS. I'LL WRITE IT IN THERE.

NO.

I NEED A PEN. I'VE GOT A PEN.

OKAY. NOW THAT WE'RE ALL CALMED DOWN AND EVERYBODY HAVING A SEAT HERE.

MY NAME IS CHERYL. I LIVE AT 445 SOUTH STATE ROAD 415. I'M ALSO THE FOUNDER OF IT NOW AND THE PRESIDENT OF PRESERVE. IT'S ABOUT 40 MINUTES AWAY FROM DAYTONA BEACH. MANY OF OUR CITIZENS CALLED ME, E-MAILED ME, AND PERSONALLY CAME TO ME AND WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT THE BEACH DRIVING. THIS IS THE BEACH THAT THEY GO TO AND NEW SER -- NEW SYRMA BEACH AS WELL. A LOT OF THEM BRING THEIR PICKUP TRUCKS AND THEIR WHOLE FAMILIES. THE REASON THAT I'M HERE IS FOR THE PROPERTY RIGHTS. WE HAD SO MANY OF OUR PROPERTIES TAKEN WITH NO MONEY COMPENSATION LAST YEAR. WE FOUGHT LONG AND HARD. AND SEVERAL OF YOU AGREED WITH OUR POINT OF VIEW. BUT NOW THERE'S A DECISION BEING MADE TODAY THAT THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY AND THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL TO STOP THIS TODAY THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THEM. THEIR REVENUE COMES OUT TO ONE PERCENT.

DON'T TAKE THE BEACH DRIVING AWAY, WE ARE A DEMOCRACY AND EVERY ONE OF YOU THAT RAN FOR KEX WHO HAD BEEN VIDEO TAPED, RECORDED, PROMISED, MET PERSONALLY WITH MOST OF THE CITIZENS IN YOUR DISTRICT. YOU PROMISED THEM JOB CREATION AND NOT TAKING BEACH DRIVING AWAY. LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES LATER YOU'RE GOING BACK ON YOUR WORD. I SUGGEST TO YOU TO KEEP ON YOUR WORD. THEY WILL REPLAY THE VIDEOS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THEY WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY THAT IS GOING TO HONOR THEIR WORD AND TO MAKE CLEAR, THANK YOU. OKAY, LINDA YOU ARE NEXT. LIKE RICHARD WATTERS. I CAN READ MR. RICHARD WATTERS AND LINDA SMILEY, I WOULD LIKE YOU TWO TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS LINDA. I LIVE AT ORDMAN BEACH, FLORIDA. A NATIVE DATONIAN. I'M ABSOLUTELY APPALLED BY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. WE ARE SELLING OUT TO THIS COUNTY. WHERE YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS TO REPRESENT. WE HEARD THAT BUILDING THE OCEAN CENTER WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTELY MARVELOUS THING THAT YOU BUILT THE CENTER THAT WILL BE TOO SMALL TO ACCOMMODATE ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE NOT TURNED SINCE THE DAY IT OPENED. MAYBE WE'LL NEED TO MAKE THAT THE PARKING LOT ON THE BEACH. OKAY. THE REVENUE THAT THESE HOTELS ARE PAYING AND THE PROPERTY TAXES COMPARED TO THE PEOPLE LIKE ME. I WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY HAD NO PROBLEM GOING FORWARD WITH DRIVING ON THE BEACH. AND THAT WE DON'T WANT DRIVING ON THE BEACH AND THEN THEY SAY OH LET'S JUMP ON THAT BANDWAGON TOO. NOW WE HAVE THESE THREE ORDINANCES IN FRONT OF US BEHIND THE PROPERTY. YET AT THE SAME TIME, HILTON IS BUILDING A PROPERTY WITH DRIVING BEHIND THEIR BEACH, NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING AS I DON'T THINK HILTON IS AN IGNORANT COMPANY. THAT THEY WOULD SEAL THE VALUE OF THE BEACH AND THE CARS BEHIND IT. WHAT YOU ARE CALLING THE CORE AREA THAT HAPPENS TO BE NOT FROM THE UNIVERSITY TO SILVER BEACH. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO STAND UP.

IN DAYTONA BEACH. I USUALLY TRY TO STAY OUT OF COUNTY BUSINESS, BUT IT HAS BROUGHT ME -- BUT IT HAS BROUGHT THAT IN AND I FIND THE ENTIRE PROCESS DISINJEN EWE WHITE HOUSE. AND NOR NOR DID IT HAPPEN WITH THE PUBLIC FROM THE BEGINNING. AND THAT IT WAS A CONCERN. AND IN ANY SINGLE GROUP OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS STARTED THIS. AND SO I QUESTION SPECIFICALLY WHO PUSHED THIS TO HAPPEN IN THIS FASHION. AND THAT WE ALREADY HAVE 30 MILES OF NO DRIVING. WHO NEEDS MORE. AND HERE ARE THE ARGUMENTS THAT I FIND INSUFFICIENT FOR THE PASSAGE OF THESE ORDINANCES. NO DRIVING WILL FIX BLIGHT. AND THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE PROMOTING THE IDEA AND THE SAME PEOPLE WHO IGNORED THE CAUSE OF BLIGHT FOR DECADES.

AND THAT THEY DIDN'T FIX ANYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TOURIST AREA. AND PROBABLY THE LEAST USEFUL TOOL TO FIX BLIGHT. PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS FIVE-STAR HOTELS AND HARD ROCK BRANDS WILL ONLY COME HERE IF THERE IS NO DRIVING. YET THERE'S NO MENTION OF THE FIVE-STAR HOTEL IN THE ORDINANCES. WHAT GOOD IS THE FIVE-STAR HOTEL TO THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFRAID TO LEAVE THE HOTEL? THE PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAY SAFETY IS A CONCERN. YET A1A THE FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY THAT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO CROSS NOW AND THE PARKING LOTS ARE USED ON THE WESTSIDE THEY WILL HAVE A TERRIBLE EFFECT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE REMEDY FOR CROSSING AND IN OUR LOWERED NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY VALUES. PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS THAT USING ECO FUNDS FOR PARKING LOTS IS ACCEPTABLE AS I ACTUALLY FIND A PROVERSION OF THE INTENT OF THE ECO FUNDS. AND PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS THAT THE CARS CREATE AN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD. AND HOW IS THIS WORSE? ENVIRONMENTALLY THAN ALLOWING 500 ROOMS MANY STORIES HIGH TO BE BUILT DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH? AND SO THAT THE SUN WON'T SHINE ON OUR BEACH AND OUR BEACH WILL ERODE IN AN EVEN FASTER RATE. MANY CITIES ARE ACTUALLY LIMITING GROWTH LIKE THIS ON OUR BEACHES. PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS THAT THIS ISN'T THE BEGINNING OF PRIVATIZATION. HAVE YOU BEEN TO DECEMBER TIN OR SAND DESTIN LATELY WITH THE ACTUAL SIGNS ON THE BEACH THAT SAYS FOR THE USE OF THE GUEST AT HIGH TIDE THAT THE ONLY AVAILABLE PLACE TO WALK OR BIKE IS THE OCEAN ITSELF. DECEMBER TIN HAS A SMALL LOT WHERE PEOPLE TRY TO PARK AND TRAFFIC IS RIDICULOUS. AND YOU COULDN'T PAY ME TO GO BACK THERE. THE PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS THIS IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT WE SAY THE FIVE, FOUR, THREE-STAR HOTEL WILL BASICALLY PROVIDE THE SAME CONSTRUCTIONJOBS AND THE SAME NUMBER OF THE LOWER WAGED JOBS. PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS IT WILL INCREASE THEIR TAX BASE AS WE ASK WHY WAS THE INFORMATION FROM OUR PROPERTY TAX APPRAISER IGNORED? AND WHY WOULD YOU PUT THEM LAST? THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE THE FIRST IN THE MINDS OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE ASKED YOU TO REPRESENT US, NOT FIGHT US IN REFERENCE TO THE SPECIAL INTEREST. I BELIEVE THAT THE CONSEQUENCES HAVE NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED. PUSHING THE SCHEME FOR WHATEVER AND WHOMEVER. AND THE CITIES OFFCOURSE AND TO TURN THE COUNTY UPSIDE DOWN. AND I THINK THAT IT IS TERRIBLE AND IRRESPONSIBLE. AND WITH THE RELATIONSHIPS AMONG US TO ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUES.

WITH AN OPEN DISCUSSION THAT INVOLVES PEOPLE THAT HAVE ELECTED YOU. PLEASE DON'T ENACT THESE ORDINANCE. PLEASE LET VOLUSIA VOTE. THANK YOU.

OKAY. JOHN ANTHONY, ARE YOU HERE? HE LEFT. JAMES HARBOR? COME ON UPFRONT. WE'LL HAVE YOU SIT HERE AND REFILL THIS UP.

IS THAT YOU, MA'AM?

LET'S SEE. CAN I HAVE A STAFF MEMBER COME DOWN WITH A MICROPHONE, PLEASE? WE'RE GOOD. OKAY, NOW BEFORE THEY START TALKING, I WILL CALL A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE. DID YOU SHOW UP? TERESA WRIGHT? WHERE DID THEY COME FROM?

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ARE YOU AVAILABLE?

SIR, YOU CAN'T SIT IN THE AISLES. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE FIRE HAZARD. SIR, IF WE CAN HAVE YOU FIND A SEAT UPFRONT, WE'D APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

YOU KNOW HOW TO OPERATE THAT THING. AND THAT'LL WORK. NEVER MIND. WE'RE GOOD.

MY NAME IS KATE ABLES. 333 AUBURN DRIVE DAYTONA, FLORIDA. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1988. I HAVE A LOT OF NOTES I'VE BEEN TAKING DURING THESE MEETINGS AND I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS MAKING A LOT OF GOOD POINTS. I AM IN FAVOR OF LETTING VOLUSIA VOTE. BEACH DRIVING, I MEAN THEY MIGHT SURPRISE YOU. THEY MIGHT ASK YOU TO VOTE OFF BEACH DRIVING. I'VE HEARD THEM SAY THAT THE HARD ROCK MOTEL AND THE WESTERN DON'T CARE. IF THERE'S BEACH DRIVING IN FRONT OF THEIR FACILITIES. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NO. I'VE SEEN SOME HEAD NODDING OVER THERE. IF THEY DON'T CARE WHY ARE WE SHOWING THEM THE BEACH? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

IN THE GARAGE TO WHICH WE OBJECTED BECAUSE HIGH TOP VEHICLES COULD NOT PARK IN THE GARAGE AND THEY SWORE.

IT WOULD FIT IN THE GARAGE AND LOW AND BEHOLD THEY DO NOT FIT IN THAT PARKING GARAGE. NO PLACE FOR THEM TO PARK TO GET TO THAT NO DRIVE BEACH. AND THAT WAS SUPPOSE TO GET PEOPLE TO THE BEACH AND TO BE SAFE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT LASTED, BUT IT WASN'T VERY LONG. AND AGAIN THAT TO ME IS JUST SOMETHING TO PUT PEOPLE ASIDE AND SAY OKAY IT WILL BE ACCESSFUL. THAT THEY EITHER DON'T STAY IN THE FIRST PLACE. I WOULD SAY TO ILL VOTE NO, PLEASE. TO LET THEM HAVE A WORD. THANK YOU.

I LIVE AT 322 ATLANTIC AVENUE, DAYTONA BEACH. AS A RESIDENT AND A PROPERTY OWNER OF VOLUSIA COUNTY, I KEEP HEARING ALL ABOUT THE ECONOMIC BEHAVIOR WITH BEACH DRIVING, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEES. EXPERIENCE REMINDS US OF THEIR DEAL IN WHICH DAYTONA BEACH UTILIZED TO TAKE PRIVATE PARTIES ALONG THE SEGMENT OF THE BEACH. AND THEY WERE GIVEN VERY GENEROUS ZONING GRANTS, NOT NORMALLY AVAILABLE TO OTHER DEVELOPERS. AND THEN THEY WOULD FILE BANKRUPTCY IN 2008.

AND IT BECAME UNSIGHTLY ALONG THE BEACH FRONT. AND CLAIMING THAT IT WILL INCREASE THE REVENUE. AND THAT THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES WITH THESE HOTELS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BRING IN THEIR OWN MANAGEMENT TEAM, WHICH WILL BE PAID FOR. HOWEVER TALKING ABOUT CREATE THE MINIMUM WAGE.

AND KEEPING FOOD SERVICES, MAINTENANCE JOBS. WHICH WON'T BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BENEFIT THE VOLUSIA COUNTY INSTEAD OF PARKING.

YOU CAN DEMAND THAT THEY PROVIDE THE HEALTH INSURANCE FOR ALL THEIR EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING PART-TIME EMPLOYEES, MATCHING 401K PLAN, AND MINIMUM WAGE OF AT LEAST 10.

MS SWEENEY.

OKAY. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? WE WERE NOT STOPPING FOR LUNCH. IF WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS, YES, OUR NECKS TO YOU.

AND MOVED BACK, RETIRED, 2003. AND I'M ENJOYING LIFE. I'VE LISTENED TO THIS. BEFORE AND AFTER AND PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE. IT'S NOT ABOUT THESE HOTELS. IT'S ABOUT ELIMINATING THE CARS ON THE BEACH. AND WE WOULD TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE HAD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FORCED DOWN OUR THROATS IN 1985 WITH ALL THE EUPHORIA ABOUT GOD WANTING TO SEND US PROFITS WITH THE NEW HOTEL. THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN. THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THE SUCCESS OF THE CONVENTION CENTER CALLED THE OCEAN CENTER, WHICH OPENS UP NEXT MONTH. AND IT WILL ELIMINATE BLIGHT IN THE MAIN STREET AREA. 1985.

AND DID WE CAUSE THAT? NO. YOU DID. AND IT'S BEEN SOME RESPECT, THE DEVELOPERS DID. WE DIDN'T HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT HOTELS DOWN THERE WITH ONLY THREE TO FOUR. PHYSICALLY IS GOOD. THAT'S NOT SUCCESS.

AND IN THE MEANTIME LET US VOTE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO A BETTER JOB. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. LINDA SMILEY. AND TO FILL THE SEAT THAT SHE WAS SITTING IN, I WILL TAKE AND MAKE SURE THAT I GET THIS RIGHT. AND I'M PROUDLY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THAT I ASK THAT YOU DON'T STEAL THE VOTES. ONE MOMENT, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TIME SNOW

IT'S ON. OKAY, IT JUST DIED UP THERE. PLEASE CONTINUE. THIS ISSUE IS ONE THAT YOU AS A COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE HAD TOWN MEETINGS IN THE EVENING FOR LIKE YOU HAD FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTCLOSURES THAT YOUR RESIDENTS COULD ATTEND. INSTEAD YOU CHOSE TO IGNORE THAT. YOU CHOSE TO IGNORE OUR REQUEST TO PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT AND HAVE US GATHER PETITIONS. WE WERE ABOUT DONE WITH THAT TASK AND SO NOW YOU'RE RUSHING TO PUSH THESE ORDINANCES THROUGH THAT WERE CREATED FOR THE DEVELOPERS BY THEIR FRIENDS FOR THEIR BENEFIT ONLY. THESE ORDINANCES DO NOT BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS. THERE HAS STILL BEEN NO STANDARDS REALLY PUT IN PLACE TO PREVENT FURTHER CLOSURE OF THE BEACH. I'D LIKE TO READ ABOUT SOME MYTHS. RED SAND WE HEAR ABOUT. COMING IN WILL END BEACH DRIVING. TRUTH IS RED SAND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF OUR BEACH, ESPECIALLY TO THE NORTH. IT COMES AND GOES AND YOU CAN DRIVE ON IT. DRIVING ON THE BEACH IS UNSAFE. TRUTH IS DURING 100 YEARS OF DRIVING ON OUR BEACHES, APPROXIMATELY 10 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN ACCIDENTS AND THAT IS ONE IN EVERY TEN YEARS FAR LESS THAN ANY STREET IN OUR AREA WITH THAT MUCH TRAFFIC. DRIVING ENDANGERED TURTLES. DRIVING AND CAR EMISSIONS DO NOT ENDANGER TURTLES BECAUSE MOST TURTLES NEST IN THE AREA WHERE ONLY DUNES ARE IN THE FAR NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE BEACHES. 80% OF PEOPLE SAY THEY DON'T WANT BEACH DRIVING. THE TRUTH IS 80% OF A LOCAL REALTOR'S CLIENT WHO ARE LOOKING TO BUY IN THIS AREA HAVE SAID THEY DON'T LIKE BEACH DRIVING. BUT NO DOUBT IT HAS BEEN SELECTED FOR THOSE WHO LIVE HERE ALREADY. DRIVING CAUSES BLIGHT AND PRESENTS ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IN THE CORE AREA OF DAYTONA'S BEACH SIDE. THE TRUTH IS NO DRIVING HAS BEEN ALLOWED IN THAT AREA FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. AND THE LACK OF DRIVING HAS NOT BEEN FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THERE. AND TO SUPPORT THIS THEORY AND IN FACT THAT HISTORICAL DOESN'T HURT THE LOCAL ECONOMY. AND CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THERE IS NO DRIVING AND THAT WILL CONTINUE. THE TRUTH IS THERE'S STEEL RAMPS TO THE SOFT SAND NEXT TO THE SEA WALLS. THERE'S NO WAY FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T WALK TO GET FROM THE END OF THE RAMP TO THE WATER'S EDGE AS THEY CAN DO NOW BY SIMPLY PARKING THEIR CARS ON THE BEACH. SO REMOVING DRIVING TO REMOVE THEIR HANDICAPPED ACCESS. OFFBEACH PARKING WILL WORK JUST AS WELL AS PARKING ON THE BEACH. THE TRUTH IS CROSSING 1A1 TO GET TO THE BEACH IS FAR MORE DANGEROUS AND LESS DESIRABLE. DRIVING MUST BE ELIMINATED BECAUSE THE BEACH IS GETTING NARROW DUE TO RISING SEA LEVELS. THE TRUTH IS WHILE THERE STILL ISN'T AN INCREASE IN SEA LEVEL THERE'S NO DATA TO CORRELATE AND AFFECT THE WIDTH OF THE BEACH. OUR BEACHES HAVE BECOME NARROWER AND WIDER DECADE AFTER DECADE AND THIS SHIFT WILL CONTINUE. DRIVING MUST BE ELIMINATED FOR FIVE-STAR HOTELS.

MA'AM. YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MR. HARBOR, YOU HAVE BEEN PATIENTLY -- PATIENTLY SITTING THERE.

YES, SIR.

SHE HAD TO GO TO WORK? ARE YOU SPEAKING, SIR? YOU ARE SPEAKING, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET ME FIND ANOTHER PERSON. ROBERT TAYLOR, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? COME ON UP FRONT. AND MR. HARBOR?

MR. DAVIS, I BELIEVE I WAS SUPPOSE TO BE REPRESENTING. AT LEAST I KNOW TWO OTHER PEOPLE. SIX MINUTES.

YOU WILL GET YOUR SIX MINUTES.

THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY FOR THE RECORD, I SHALL READ THE LIST IF THERE IS ANYBODY THAT I DO NOT READ. KELLY REGISTER, IS THAT HER? AND BONNIE PULTZ.

POUTZ. OKAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOU HAVE ALL BEEN RECOGNIZED. PLEASE HAVE A SEAT AND THEN YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M JAMES HARPER. DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA. YOU KNOW I THINK IT IS OUTRAGEOUS THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE VOTING WITHOUT ALL OF THE FACTS. THE DOZENS OF PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP BEHIND BROWN, WE DO NOT KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE. WE DO KNOW THEY ARE A PART OF THE ELITE WHO PROBABLY DON'T LIVE IN DAYTONA BEACH. THERE SHOULD BE FOR DISCLOSURE ON THE ELITE PEOPLE TO BENEFIT FROM YOUR VOTE. MORE THAN LIKELY THEY DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH. THE PEOPLE OF DAYTONA BEACH HAVE SPOKEN. A RESOLUTION WAS SENT TO YOU VOTING ON THE BEACH. SUPPORTING DRIVING ON THE BEACH. I TAKE THAT BACK. HERE'S THE THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR. 50 YEARS AGO BLACK PEOPLE WERE BANNED FROM DAYTONA'S MOST FAMOUS BEACH. IT WAS AN UNWRITTEN RULE ENFORCED BY THE ELITE PEOPLE OF THE TIME. IT WAS WRONG THEN TO BAN BLACKS AND IT IS WRONG NOW. HERE WE ARE, IT IS 2015, THE SAME ELITE PRIVILEGED PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BAN CARS ON THE BEACH FOR OTHER PRIVILEGED PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CATER TO OTHER PRIVILEGED ELITE PEOPLE. YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO BE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE. NOT YOURSELF. MOST OF YOU WHO COULD BE CLASSIFIED AS THE ELITE. THE PEOPLE OF DAYTONA BEACH HAVE SPOKEN. THE CITY COMMISSION AS I SAID EARLIER WHO REPRESENTS THE PEOPLE, REFUSED TO SUPPORT A RESOLUTION BANNING CARS ON THE BEACH. YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME, LIKE BANNING BLACKS FROM THE BEACH IS WRONG NOW AND BANNING CARS ON THE BEACH WAS WRONG NOW. I URGE YOU TODAY TO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF THE REPUBLICANS THAT MANY OF YOU ADMIRE. NANCY REAGAN. SHE IS FAMOUS FOR THE PHRASE JUST SAY NO. PLEASE JUST SAY NO. SOME OF YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN ADDICTION PROBLEM. INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS. DAYTONA BEACH'S OCEAN FRONT RESORT. WENT UP FOR SALE LAST WEEK. OBVIOUSLY BANNING CARS FROM DRIVING AND PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HILTON HAS NOT MADE A DIFFERENCE. AND NOW YOU WANT TO DO THIS FOR TWO OTHER MAJOR HOTELS. INSANITY, THE ELDEST OF HOTELS.

SHOULD NOT DEPEND ON BANNING DRIVING ON THE BEACH IN FRONT OF THESE HOTELS. GOOD SERVICE AND MARKETING WOULD DETERMINE THE FUTURE OF THE HOTELS. DON'T SET A BAD PRECEDENT TODAY. AND BAN BEACH DRIVING. AS I SAID IN THE MOVIE, I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER THE MOVIE, "FIELD OF DREAMS." BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME. THESE HOTELS SHOULD NOT DEPEND ON BEACH DRIVING. BANNED TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I NOTE NAACP IS SAYING TO VOTE NO. HOPEFULLY YOU ARE ALL HEARING WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. YOU KNOW, IT IS SAD THAT YOU ARE ALL ACTING AS IF YOU WERE OF DAYTONA BEACH BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS THAT WILL AFFECT THE RESIDENTS OF DAYTONA BEACH. AGAIN THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN. THE PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO BAN PARKING AND DRIVING ON THE BEACH AS WE WANT TO DRIVE ON OUR BEACH. WE WANT TO HAVE THAT RIGHT. BUT YOU ALL ARE SUPPORTING THE ELITE. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED AND MY REPRESENTATIVE JOSH WAGNER. AND BECAUSE THEY USED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. HE USED TO SPEAK UP FOR THE PEOPLE. SIR, YOU ARE GOING VERY CLOSE TO THE LINE.

OKAY. AND ALL I WAS DOING WAS RECOGNIZING MY COUNCIL. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WERE STARTING TO GO DOWN A ROAD BEFORE YOU WENT DOWN. THE POINT HAS BEEN MADE MR. CHAIRMAN. THAT YOU ARE ALL MAKING A DECISION THAT YOU ARE IN WHICH YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE ELITE, THE POWER HUNGRY, THE RICH. NOT COMMON, FOLKS THAT LIVE IN DAYTONA BEACH. THE AVERAGE DAYTONAN CANNOT POSSIBLY AFFORD TO LIVE TO GO TO THE HARD ROCK CAFE HOTEL OR POSSIBLY THE WESTIN, BUT THEY CAN AFFORD TO DRIVE ON THE BEACH. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO DO. AND SO THAT YOU WOULD ALMOST REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE ALL REPRESENTING. YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE. AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE. WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO DRIVE ON THE BEACH AND HOPEFULLY THAT YOU HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING THAT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE FIX IS IN AND THAT I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'RE REMEMBERED WHERE THAT CAME FROM BECAUSE THIS IS JUST OUTRAGEOUS THAT YOU ARE ALL NOT LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE. DAYTONANS WANT TO DRIVE ON THEIR BEACH. AND YOU ALL ARE SPEAKING FOR EVOLUTIONS. BUT IT'S DAYTONANS WHO HAVE TO LIVE WITH YOUR DECISIONS TODAY. SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SUPPORT THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE IS WHO YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO BE REPRESENTING. ONCE AGAIN I'LL APPRECIATE YOU HEARING ME OUT. I DON'T MIND BEING THE ONE TO SAY THINGS TO MAKE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT THEREFORE IT NEEDS TO BE HEARD. HOPEFULLY YOU WILL ALL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION TODAY AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE OF DAYTONA BEACH. YOUR DECISION WILL AFFECT THE PEOPLE OF DAYTONA BEACH. THE PEOPLE OF DAYTONA BEACH WILL BE AFFECTED BY YOUR VOTE TODAY, NOT VOLUSIA COUNTY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

TERESA RICE. TERESA RICE?

ALL RIGHT NO. TERESA RICE. PASTOR MIKE PASTORI? AND TO FILL THE TWO SEATS, ROBERT TAYLOR, CALLING ROBERT TAYLOR AND CHARLES SMICE.

OH, YOU ARE ROB TAYLOR? OKAY. I'M LOOKING FOR CHARLES SMYTH OR SMITH? I HAVE A SEAT THERE FOR YOU AND LET ME GET ONE MORE PERSON. PETE CORACUS. COME ON AND HAVE A SEAT BACK HERE, SIR. PASTOR? GOOD MORNING.

CHAIRMAN DAVIS, IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON. MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL. AND THIS IS NOT MY USUAL ISSUE THAT I RUN A WEBSITE CALLED . I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK AGAINST OVERREACH BY THE GOVERNMENT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AROUND VOLUSIA COUNTY FOR 23 YEARS OFF AND ON. I FIRST CAME HERE IN 1976. AS A COMPETITION SKY DIVER. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO ENVISION THAT. AND WE DROVE OVER TO THE 17 MILES OVER TO DAYTONA BEACH AND SAID WOW THAT'S REALLY COOL. WE CAN DRIVE ON THE BEACH AND CRUISE UNTIL THE WHEEL FALLS OFF TO HAVE A GREAT TIME IN MY EARLY 20s. AND ALWAYS IN THIS AREA AS I SAID YOU KNOW I'M COMING BACK AND IT DID COME BACK AS I GOT A JOB. AND MOVED TO THE SEA AND THEN THEY MOVED TO THE LAND AND WENT TO WORK AS A MARKETING MANAGER FOR THE TRUCK ROUTE. AND I HAD THREE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS THAT I RAISED. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THE GENTLEMAN THAT BROUGHT THEIR ENTIRE FAMILY HERE BECAUSE AS THE FATHER OF THREE YOUNG GIRLS, YOU KNOW ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY THEY WOULD GET UP AND JUMP OUT OF BED AND TO GO DIGGING AND LET'S GO DIGGING, THE KIDS AND THAT I WOULDN'T DREAM OF WALKING THEM ACROSS FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC THAT I JUST WOULDN'T. WE LOADED UP ALL THE FUN NOODLES AND THE BOOGIE BOARDS AND ALL THE TOYS AS WE DROVE ON THE BEACH AND FOUND A PARKING SPACE AND WE HAD A FUN DAY AT THE BEACH. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE FUTURE PARENTS THAT I WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT SAME EXPERIENCE THAT MY FAMILY HAD. NOW AS FAR AS GOVERNMENT OVERREACH GOES. I WANT TO CORRECT MAYBE QUICKLY A MISCONCEPTION OF PEOPLE THAT VOLUSIA IS GOING TO GET A VOTE. VOLUSIA IS GOING TO HAVE A VOTE BECAUSE THAT'S OUR RIGHT. IF WE PETITION THE GOVERNMENT TO CHANGE THE CHARTER THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET A VOTE. THE QUESTION IS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ARE YOU GOING TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE BY CRAMMING THESE ORDINANCES DOWN OUR THROATS. SO QUICKLY AND THEN HUDDLE WITH STAFF AND COME UP WITH LEGAL STRATEGIES TO FIGHT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. NOW THAT'S OBSCENE. THAT'S CRAZY TALK. YOU'VE HEARD THE PEOPLE. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. YOU KNOW, THAT WE'LL SEE WHAT THE VOTE COMES OUT TO. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE GOOD WOULD PREVAIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ALL RIGHT. STEVE SWEENEY AND TO TAKE THAT POSITION MARK APPLEGATE. DIDN'T YOU ALREADY SPEAK? YES, OKAY. I'M SORRY. YOU ONLY GET TO DO THAT ONCE. AND HARRY JENNINGS. ARE YOU AVAILABLE, SIR? AND I'LL PUT YOU ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE IF YOU SHOW UP FROM DOWNSTAIRS THAT WE DO HAVE SOME.

MAYOR JENNINGS HAD TO LEAVE. I HAVE A LIST HERE FROM DOWNSTAIRS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WE DO HAVE SOME SPACE AVAILABLE IF PEOPLE FROM DOWNSTAIRS WOULD LIKE TO COME UPSTAIRS AND SPEAK. PESA ALLEN. OR COME UP AND SIT. MR. PACE ALLEN IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE. THERE YOU ARE. COME ON UP AND HAVE A SEAT. MR. SWEENEY? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, I LIVE AT 1351 OLD KINGS ROAD. I'M THE THIRD GENERATION OF VOLUSIA COUNTY RESIDENT. MY PARENTS, WIFE, CHILDREN, AND MYSELF HAVE ALL GROWN UP ON THE BEACHES AND THE GREATER DAYTONA BEACH AREA. FISHING, SWIMMING, SURFING, YES DRIVING ON THE BEACH IS THE WAY OF LIFE WHEN YOU'RE BORN AND RAISED HERE. THEY ALREADY HAVE PLENTY OF TRAFFIC BEACH AREAS TO TAKE ANOTHER AREA OF BEACH IS EXTREMELY UNNECESSARY. IF THIS ORDINANCE WERE TO PASS THE FUTURE OF BEACH DRIVING WOULD BE IN JEOPARDY. EVERY HOTEL WOULD WANT THEIR OWN SECTION OF THE PRIVATIZED BEACH. PEOPLE DON'T COME TO DAYTONA FOR THEIR GREAT OFFBEACH PARKING, REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE A1A IT IS ON. A MATTER LIKE THIS SHOULD BE VOTED ON BY THEIR TAX PAYING RESIDENTS IF THAT'S NOT PERMITTED I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND VOTE NO ON THIS ISSUE. DON'T FALL VICTIM TO CORPORATE GREED LIKE SO MANY TIMES IN THE PAST. REMEMBER THAT IT IS CALLED THE WORLD'S MOST FAMOUS BEACH FOR A REASON. LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MR. STRICKLAND, KEN STRICKLAND, PLEASE STEP UP. AND DALE HETZLER IF YOU CAN COME UP HERE AND SIT DOWN.

HE HAD TO LEAVE.

SIR, MA'AM?

HE HAD TO LEAVE.

YES, SIR.

OKAY. AMY RUTLEDGE?

SHE HAD TO LEAF.

GINGER?

SHE HAD TO LEAVE.

LLOYD MACKEY? YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ONE? OKAY. AND SO LLOYD MACKEY, YOU COME ON UP HERE AND HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW THERE AND YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.

KEN STRICKLAND, 1208 NORTH HALIFAX. FIRST I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE MY WIFE HAVING TO LEAVE AND NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK AND FOR THOSE HUNDREDS, PROBABLY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO SIGNED PETITIONS THAT HAVE TO WORK SO THEY CAN PAY TAXES SO THAT THERE WOULD BE MONEY FOR THE POLITICIANS TO GIVE AWAY IN A LITTLE COMMUNITIES IN OUR COUNTY. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME OUT ON THE STREET HOLDING A CLIPBOARD IN THE HEAT, IN THE RAIN, AND THOSE ORDINANCES RIGHT THERE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PEOPLE ANGRY WITH A LOT OF SOLIDARITY. WE'VE GOT PETITIONS FROM THE BLACKS, THE HIS TANNICS, THE -- HISPANICS, THE WHITES, THE RICH, THE POOR, REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, LIBERTARIANS, EVERYONE IN BETWEEN. THEY'RE REAL SOLID ON THIS DEAL. THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH IT, THEY WANT TO VOTE. I CAME HERE A LONG TIME AGO AND IT WAS A GREAT PLACE. AN OLD FRIEND OF MINE THAT WAS HERE AND SAID THEY MOVED TO DAY NOTA. THEY HAVE TAKEN ALL THE FUN OUT OF IT. WHEN I MOVED FROM GEORGIA THERE WERE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT SAID THE ROOMS WERE DIFFERENT HERE. THEY'VE GOTTEN REAL DIFFERENT SINCE I MOVED HERE. I RECOMMEND THAT YOU VOTE THESE DOWN OR PUT THEM ON HOLD BECAUSE IF YOU KNOCK OVER THAT NINE-FOOT STACK OF PETITIONS IN MY MIND THEY WILL BECOME PROMISES AND THEY WILL GET TO VOTE.

THANK YOU, MR. TAYLOR. YOU ARE THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL.

AND SUSAN LEER? ARE YOU HERE, MA'AM? IS THAT YOU? COME ON UP AND HAVE A SEAT. I'M GOING TO FILL THIS SEAT WITH MARTIN ZIMMERMAN. THE NAME IN THE PILE AND SEE IF THEY COME UP.

ALL RIGHT, ROBERT TAYLOR. I LIVE AT 1200 RIVERSIDE DRIVE HOLLY HILL. MY FIRST IMPRESSION OF SHUTTING DOWN BEACH IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY SHUT IT DOWN AT NIGHT. I WAS WORKING THAT NIGHT WHEN WE TICKETED ALL THOSE PEOPLE. I WAS AT THE DAYTONA BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TICKETING THAT IT REALLY HIT THE FAN OF THE DAYTONA BEACH CITY COMMISSION LATER BECAUSE YOU FOUND OUT WHAT THEY LOST. THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY LOST UNTIL THEY LOST IT. I WATCHED AS THE MAIN STREET AREA COMPLETELY FELL APART. GOOD RESTAURANTS ARE GONE, BUSINESSES SHATTERED BUSINESSES. AND ONLY THE PART-TIME VISITORS AND DURING THE OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS. ALSO SAW THE SEA BREEZE BOULEVARD TURN IN FROM A CLASSY PLACE WHERE THERE WERE LOTS OF GOOD BUSINESSES AND LOTS OF CLOTHING STORES TO PLACES WHERE WE HAD NUDE DANCING, SLEAZY BARS ALL THROUGHOUT THAT CLAIRE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THROUGH THAT NIGHT AND ALSO WHEN WE SHUT DOWN THE BEACH, EVERYTHING ACCESS TO THAT BEACH WENT NORTH AND THAT YOU LOST A LOT OF THINGS. SURF SHOTS, ETC., BEGIN TO MOVE OUT OF THE AREA. THE ONE ON BROADWAY IS GONE. AND BROADWAY ITSELF IS NOT THAT GREAT OF A PLACE, BUT WOW IT CHANGED BIG TIME WITH CUTTING DOWN THE NIGHT DRIVING. THE DAYTIME DRIVING WHEN IT WAS GONE THAT EVERYTHING SEEMED TO GO ON IT. I WAS THERE WHEN THEY WOULD TAKE IT INSIDE THE MOTELS TO GET RID OF THEM AND EVENTUALLY THE OCEAN WALK AS THAT AREA IMPROVED WITH NO IMPROVEMENT TAKEN OUTSIDE AND BUILT BY THE COUNTY OR THE CITY, AND THAT YOU HAVE BUSINESSES THAT ARE STILL SHUTTERED BEFORE. BUT THE ONLY CHANGE I SAW IN THAT COURT AREA WAS THE WATER PARK. BUT ANYWAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU NOT VOTE FOR THIS AS I FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD STOP IT AS IT'S GOT TO STOP BECAUSE THEY WILL TEAR THIS WHOLE AREA APART ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVERS WHICH WE WOULD NORMALLY NOT HAVE, IT'S A LONG WALK FOR SOME OF THEM. I WISH YOU WOULD VOTE NO AND TO STOP IT HERE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

MR. SMITH. AND IF YOU'RE NOT MR. SMITH. AND THAT I'M JUST FILLING UP THE FRONT ROW HERE. WE ARE HERE IN THIS ROTATION. AND PAUL ZIMMERMAN SHOW UP? HE HAD TO GO TO WORK.

I HOPE THAT'S MARTIN. IS HE NOT HERE? OKAY, LEAVE HIM IN THE BOTTOM HERE. ARE YOU PRESENT, SIR? OKAY, HERE HE COMES. WE WILL HAVE HIM COME UPFRONT RIGHT THERE WITH JEFF

WHITE. ARE YOU HERE? COME ON UPFRONT AND HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW?

SMYTH. I WAS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

2011 DAYTONA BEACH. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK HERE TODAY. FROM 1985 TO 2002 DAYTONA BEACH AND VOLUSIA COUNTY POURED $16.7 MILLION IN TO THE MARRIOTT AND HILTON AND THE OCEAN WALK SHOPS AT THE RESORT, WHICH EQUALS $50.7 MILLION IN 2013. AND BILL AND HIS PARTNERS, MR. GILLESPIE CLAIMED THEY WOULD BUILD TWO LUXURY HOTELS ON THE BOARD WALK AND THE SECOND FERRIS WHEEL THAT IT NEVER HAPPENED. THAT HE WOULD THEN DEVELOP THAT ADVENTURE LANDING AND BROUGHT THE OCEAN FRONT HOTELS AND THAT EVERYTHING WENT IN TO BANKRUPTCY AND THAT HE IS NOW IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR SEALING MONEY FROM THE OCEAN WALK INVESTORS. THE CITY WOULD LATER REFINANCE THE BOMBS, USED TO PAY FOR THE HILTON AND THE OCEAN WALK PROJECTS, TAKING ON $37.7 MILLION IN DEBT INITIALLY TO BE PAID BACK IN 1301 AND VOLUSIA COUNTY RECENTLY GAVE $41 MILLION OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY TO THE MULTIBILLIONAIRES THAT OWN NASCAR AND IN THE NATIONAL SPEEDWAY FOR DAYTONA RISING AND THE SENATE QUOTE ON QUOTE AND $4.2 MILLION TO JET BLUE AND THE COUNTY AND DAYTONA BEACH THAT WOULD PLAN UNFINALLIZED SYSTEMS, WHICH EQUALS CORPORATE WELFARE TO THE HARD ROCK HOTEL AND THE DEVELOPERS. THE SCHEME OF LEVELING THAT IS REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH AND A COMMUNITY OF GOODS CENTRAL OWNERSHIP OF THE PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION ARE AS STATIONARY AND IMPACTABLE WITH THOSE EXPRESSING ALL PROPERTY. ARBITRARY TO OUR GOVERNMENT UNCONSTITUTIONAL. SAMUEL ADAMS. LET'S RETURN THE CONTROL OF THE BEACH TO THE BEACH FRONT CITIES. OPEN UP ALL THE BEACH APPROACHES. REMOVE THE ARMED POLICE AND GO BACK TO SIMPLE LIFE GUARDS ON ATVs AND OUR ECONOMY WITH FIVE. THE CURRENT FAILED POLICIES HAVE RESULTED IN OVER 300 CLOSED HOTELS, BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS IN DAYTONA BEACH AND DAYTONA BEACH SHORES ALONE HAVE INCREASED CRIME AND BLACK AND SERIOUSLY HURT OUR TOURISM BUSINESS SINCE 1985. DON'T GIVE ANYMORE OF THE PEOPLE'S GOD GIVEN BEACH AWAY TO THE EMPTY PROMISES OF PRIVATE HOTEL AND CONDO DEVELOPERS. LASTLY VOLUSIA COUNTY SPEND $29 MILLION TO BUILD THE OCEAN CENTER, WHICH LOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS EVERY YEAR UNTIL AN $82.2 MILLION RENOVATION WAS COMPLETED IN 2009. AFTER WHICH IT NOW LOSES $1.9 MILLION PER YEAR. ALWAYS GOING TO BE VERY KEPT AL OF THE ROSEY FORECAST PAINTED BY CONSULTANTS, BUSINESSMEN, AND CITY AND COUNTY ELECT OFFICIALS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

PETER? GOOD AFTERNOON.

I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE T-I-R-N-E -- CHARLES DEAN TRIVET. IF YOU'RE DOWNSTAIRS PLEASE COME UP AND JOIN US UPSTAIRS. SORRY, SIR YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THREE MINUTES.

MR. CHAIRMAN I'M PETER COROSCO. 300 EMERY DRIVE IN THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH. I REPRESENT THE VOLUSIA COUNTY REPUBLIC AND ASSEMBLIES WHO FORWARDED A RESOLUTION TO ALL OF YOU THROUGHOUT YOUR E-MAILS AND ALSO WE COPIED AS WELL. WE EVALUATED THESE ORDINANCES IN THE LET VOLUSIA VOTE. ACTIVITIES, AND THAT WE WOULD PASS THAT RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF LET VOLUSIA VOTE.

IN ORDINANCE 2015-06 AND 2015-07 AND 2015-08 OR ANY ATTEMPTS TO LIMIT ACCESS TO THE BEACH. THERE HAVE BEEN PRESS REPORTS, WHICH HAVE STATED THAT YOU --

POINT OF ORDER. YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL YOUR QUESTIONS THROUGH THE CHAIR, PLEASE.

FORGIVE ME. I SIMPLY WANT TODAY ASK IF IT WERE TRUE IF THE COUNCILWOMAN HAS MADE A PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT SHE INTENDS TO VOTE AGAINST THESE MEASURES AND I WAS GOING TO THANK -- 334 GEORGIA PEACH AVENUE, PORT ORANGE.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS JUST A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY. AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER IN THESE MATTERS, I THINK. I'VE LISTENED WITH TWO EARS TO EVERYBODY. I HAD TO GO OUT FOR A SHORT WHILE, BUT THANK YOU TO THE CAPTAINS OF THE INDUSTRY AND THE CAPTAINS OF CHARITY, AND THE CAPTAINS OF LIBERTY. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. WHAT BETTER TO HAVE THIS FAMILY BACK HERE AND MOMS IN JURY DUTY. SOMEBODY -- SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE FIELD OF DREAMS. YEAH THAT CAME TO MIND AS I WAS DRIVING OVER. BUT OVERSHADOWING THAT IS THE COCO'S NECK. I'M JACK MICKLESON, MEETING WITH A GROUP OF DISABLED PEOPLE ONCE A WEEK AS WE WOULD TAKE FIELD TRIPS. AND I THINK I REMEMBER IT THAT I COULD BE WRONG, BUT LOADED UP A GROUP AND TOOK THEM FISHING. SOME IN MY GROUP I MEET WITH, THERE'S ABOUT 30 OF THEM THAT THEY ARE ON HIGH MEDS. THEY'RE DISABLED, THEY MIGHT LIKE TO MAKE A TRIP. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS PLAN A BUS RIDE AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO FOLLOW FOR IF AND WHEN. HEY DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND RIGHT HERE. MY BUS IS GOING TO BE THERE AT 9:00, PACKED, OR WHOEVER WANTS TO FOLLOW. SET THE PACE. AND WE WILL HAVE --

AND YOU KNOW. IT'S NOT JUST PARKING ON THE BEACH. MY 90-YEAR-OLD DAD WILL PROBABLY BE WITH ME. I REALIZED THAT I HAD HIM ON THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE WATER SIDE, SO I TURNED AROUND AND WENT THE OTHER WAY AND LET HIM DRIVE. THIS IS A FREEDOM ISSUE. AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY THAT'S FANTASTIC AS WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION. I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL. YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD TEACH YOU THE COMPETITION OF LAW SCHOOL. NO. I WOULD LEARN MORE FROM THE CITIZENS. IT IS MEETING RIGHT NOW BY A MOM HERE IN OUR COUNTY. JOHN JAY THE FIRST CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES. AND SAID WHAT IS STILL TRUE TODAY. THE JURY HAS THE DUTY, THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE THE LAW AND THE FACTS THAT ANYBODY WAS LIED TO ON THAT ONE. FOLLOW YOUR CONSCIOUS. THAT'S YOUR RULE RIGHT THERE. THE JURY HAS A VOTE AS WE ALREADY HAVE A VOTE. WE HAVE A VOTE AND I THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE GROUP. I'M PROUD AS I CAN BE TO BE A PART OF THIS CITIZEN.

THANK YOU, SIR.

LLOYD MACKEY. HAS HE SHOWED UP? OKAY. I'M GOING TO FLIP HIM. THERE. SUSAN, ARE YOU SUSAN? YOU LOOK TO BE SO PATIENT.

THANK YOU. CAN I GET YOU TO SIT UPFRONT? OH BUDDY IS HERE? HEY.

ALL RIGHT. THIS IS GOING TO BE TRULY AMAZING. AFTER I CALL THE NEXT NAME. THAT'S THE LAST NAME. I HEARD THAT AND I HEARD IT FROM BACK HERE TOO. THERE'S ONLY LIKE SEVEN PEOPLE LEFT THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK. I'M GOING TO CALL LAST NAME IF THERE IS ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE, DO SO NOW. AND THEIR TIME EXPIRES THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. STEW MARTIN.

STEW MARTIN? PLEASE STAND UP. WAVE YOUR HAND. OH, OKAY. WE'LL BRING YOU A MICROPHONE, SIR.

WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN YOU CALLED THE THREE PEOPLE, I GUESS THEY WERE CONFUSED. WE THOUGHT THEY WERE DEFERRING THEIR TIME TO MR. BROWN AND I BELIEVE THEY DID NOT INTEND TO DEFER THEIR TIME TO MR. BROWN, BUT THEY DID STAND UP AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE CONFUSED WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON JUST AS A HEADS UP.

OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO SAY NO TO THEM, THAT THEY SHOULD BE HEARD. THANK YOU. THEY WERE CONFUSED.

OKAY. THESE PEOPLE.

YES.

NO, I CALLED SIGHT IMPAIRED SERVICES, THEY GOT GROUPED IN. WE'LL WORK IT OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. OKAY. STEW MARVIN ARE YOU PRESENT? OKAY, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST. IF THEY DON'T ANSWER, WE'LL MOVE ON EVEN FURTHER. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE COUNTY. YOU CAN MOVE THE MICROPHONE UP. OH TRUST ME THEY'LL HEAR YOU.

SOME MEMBERS THINK THAT THIS COUNTY EXISTS TO PROVIDE YOUR POSITION. YOUR POSITION EXISTS TO GIVE PEOPLE A VOICE AND PROVIDE FREEDOM. I'M HERE TO WATCH THAT YOU HONOR THAT TRUST. THE BEACH SHOULD BE TREATED AS AN ASSET, NOT A LIABILITY. BEACH DRIVING SHOULD BE EMBRACED, NOT SHUNNED. WITH 46 REGISTERED VOTERS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. THERE WERE 351,549 DAILY ENTRIES TO DAYTONA BEACH. I THINK THAT SAYS SOMETHING. PARKING ON THE BEACH IS ALWAYS A VIABLE WAY TO MANAGE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND BEACHGOERS IN OUR COUNTY. IT DOES NOT SEEM REASONABLE, SENSITIVE, OR PHYSICALLY RESPONSIBLE. I HOPE YOU WILL RECONSIDER YOUR VOTE TODAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. PAGING MARTIN ZIMMERMAN. OKAY, HE DID NOT SHOW UP. THAT'S THE FOURTH TIME THAT WE HAVE CALLED HIM BRIAN GLAZE. IS THAT YOU, SIR? YOU CAN USE YOUR CAIN TO GET UP HERE.

MY NAME IS BRIAN GLAZE.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

AND IT'S BEEN AN AREA RESIDENTS. I SUPPORT BEACH WALKING, THE ADVOCATES THAT ARE FOR THE ORDINANCE. WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN COMPROMISES EVER SINCE THEY BECAME MORE IMPORTANT THAN PEOPLE. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. GIVING UP SO MANY MILES OF THE BEACH TO. WE'RE PACKED IN TO A SMALLER AND SMALLER AREA ALL THE TIME. THEY WERE UNHEARD OF BECAUSE THE PUBLIC LOST THE VEHICLE ACCESS TO SO MANY PARTS OF THE BEACH. ANY PERSON AGAINST BEACH DRIVING HAS A FREEDOM OF CHOICE TO VISIT THE TRAFFIC-FREE AREA IF THEY WANT TO AT ANY POINT IN TIME. WHEN I MOVED HERE. THE BOARD WALK AREA, THE COURT, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT YOU CALLED IT USED TO DRIVE DAY AND NIGHT WITH TOURISTS THAT WERE SPENDING MONEY HAVING FUN. THEY RENTED HOTEL ROOMS. MY FAMILY WAS ONE OF THEM WHEN I WAS A YOUNG ADULT. THEY VISIT A LOT OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS NOW AND THE BEACH VISITORS NEED THE SAFETY GETTING MORE OF THE CARS ON THE BEACH. THEY NEED THE SAFETY OF THEIR VEHICLES ON THE BEACH TO RETREAT TO IN CASE OF THE THUNDER AND THE LIGHTNING STORMS. BESIDES THE CONVENIENCE OF BRINGING THEIR CHAIRS AND THE SHADE AND THEIR UMBRELLAS, COOLERS, KIDS TOYS, SURF BOARDS AND ALL OF THAT, IT'S UNSAFE FOR THE BEACH VISITORS TO CROSS.

WHETHER THEY ARE FOUR STAR, FIVE STAR, OR THREE STARS, NOT GOING TO MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. YOU STILL HAD A FEW SECONDS LEFT. ALL RIGHT. JEFF WHITE?

ALL RIGHT THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS JEFF WHITE. DAYTONA BEACH.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

AND I KNOW WHERE TO START. I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD USE THIS WORD, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE WORD. CARPET BAGGERS. CAN I SAY THAT?

AND WE'LL BEEP IT OUT LATER.

OKAY. JUST CARPET BAGGERS. OKAY. AND ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE HURRICANES EVEN. THEY'VE DESTROYED A WHOLE AREA OF DAYTONA BEACH TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A CONDO CALLED BLACK PEARL. AND THAT PROPERTY STILL SITS VACANT. NOBODY IS LIVING THERE, BUT BUMS AND ARMADILLOS AND RACCOONS WITH A BIG SECTION OF THE PENINSULA DRIVE WHO ARE OKAY. AND SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS GROUP. THE CANADIAN GROUP, THE INVESTMENT GROUP CALLED BAY SHORE. THEY'VE BOUGHT THE LICENSING OF A NAME HARD ROCK CAFE. AND THAT LICENSE EXPIRES AT A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME. SO THEY MAY NOT EVEN HAVE A HARD ROCK CAFE THERE THAT IT WILL BE A BIG CAST. THE OTHER THING SAYING THAT THEY BUILT DOWN THERE IN HOLLY HILL THIS EMPTY EXCEPT MAYBE ONE CONDO PER FLOOR BACK IN '98.

OVER ON ST. PETE OR WHATEVER TO PICK IT UP AS WE WENT OUT TO THIS ISLAND, THE CHAIN THERE AND THERE IS NO CARS ANYWHERE THAT IT WAS JUST SOME LANDSCAPED GUYS GOING TO THE COMBINATION OF THE 7-ELEVEN GAS STATION AND TO BUY LUNCH AND WHOLE PLACES LIKE THE GHOST TOWN. BUT HUNDREDS OF THESE BIG CONDOS, NOTHING THERE NO PEOPLE LIVING. YOU KNOW, WE FINALLY FOUND SOME PEOPLE. AND THE HOUSE OF THE OCEAN FRONT FLOOR PROPERTY WHEN WE WOULD GET IN TO VOTE AND OUTSIDE OF THAT THERE IS NOTHING THERE. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP HERE IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF BLIGHT. BUT YOU GUYS GIVING THE BEACH. AND YOU GUYS ARE GIVING THE BEACH TO THESE GUYS. YOU WOULD CLOSE THEM. WITHOUT EVEN HEARING FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULD CLOSE THE BEACH. NOT YOU GUYS PERSONALLY, BUT THE COUNTY WITH THE BEACH.

WITHOUT EVEN ANY VOICE FROM THOSE PEOPLE. CREATING ORDINANCES. AND NOW THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER TO US. AND NOW THAT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL THAT MADE PROMISES SO THAT THEY WOULD GET ELECTED AND THAT THEY WOULD RENAME THEM. AND I KNOW THAT THEY NEVER MENTIONED NAMES BECAUSE I'M NOT ALLOWED TO, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT IT IS ALREADY CUT AND DRY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. I PREDICTED THIS WHEN WE STARTED SEEING. BUT ALSO WHEN I'M OUT THERE GETTING THE PETITION SIGNED FROM LETTING PEOPLE VOTE THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE, THAT THE SECOND QUESTION THEY WOULD ASK US IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE PETITIONS OUT FOR THE OTHER RECALL. THE RECALL YOU GUYS. SO AS SOON AS WE ARE DONE WITH THIS PETITION, WE'RE GOING TO START THE CALLS.

YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED, SIR. CHARLES DEAN? EASY, SIR. CHARLES DEAN? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MIKE DENNIS, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. LET ME CALL A FEW MORE NAMES TO FILL A FEW MORE SEATS THERE. PETER? DOUG HALL AND NANCY. AND BARBARA COLEMAN? ARE ANY OF THESE PEOPLE? YOU'RE BACK THERE. OKAY YOU SAID THAT. WE'LL BRING THE MICROPHONE UP TO YOU GUYS. OKAY. WELCOME ON UPFRONT. MIKE DENNIS?

MY NAME IS MIKE DENNIS.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND. GIVE HIM A HAND. I DON'T NEED ANYMORE PROBLEMS. I'M SORRY, YOU HAD THE FLOOR, SIR.

GOOD MORNING. IF IT'S NOT, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MIKE DENIM I LIVE AT 625 LENNOX AVENUE, DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA. I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS, THESE PROPOSALS. ONE THING THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IS YOU HAVE ISB, WHICH IS 26% OF THE BEACH TRAFFIC PER VOLUSIA COUNTY RECORDS. WHAT REALLY, REALLY BOTHERS ME WHEN YOU CLOSE THAT ARE YOU GOING TO CREATE ANOTHER MAIN STREET OUT OF ISB. TALK ABOUT BLIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO KILL IT. ANOTHER POINT IS THIS IS PERTINENT THAT YOU CAN'T UNDO THIS. I ASKED ONE OF THE COUNCILMAN AND THEY SAID THAT YOU CANNOT UNDO THIS. AND SO THIS IS IT. YOUR PEACE RULING TO THE BEACH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE A LONG TIME AGO. AFTER THE FIRST DESERT THEY DIDN'T THINK WE REALLY NEEDED TO SET STANDARDS. QUIT PEACE MAILING OUR BEACH. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. LET VOLUSIA VOTE. THANK YOU.

TOM CAIN.

GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE STAFF. MY WIFE AND I BETTY ARE STRONGLY SUPPORT OF BEACH DRIVING. A PART OF THE 14,000 PEOPLE THAT CREATED A STACK THAT'S ALMOST NINE-FOOT TALL. AND I'M HERE TO ALSO TELL YOU THAT -- THAT DAVE BYRON WILL BE QUICK TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. MY WIFE AND I OWN ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES AND THOSE 11,500 BUSINESSES MAKE UNDER $1 MILLION IN REVENUE. AND FOR THE MOST PART THEY ASKED FOR NOTHING. THEY ARE STAND ALONE. WE CAN'T AFFORD EXPENSIVE LOBBYISTS LIKE JIM MORRIS OR GLEN STORCH OR THE BIGGEST OF O THEM ALL. WE ARE JUST SMALL BUSINESS -- BUSINESSMEN STRUGGLING TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTY. WE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT MOTELS, WHICH ONLY CONTRIBUTE THE MOTELS AND THE HOTELS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO LESS THAN 1% TO OUR TAX BURDEN. 67% OF THE TAX BURDEN COMES FROM THE PEOPLE, THE RESIDENCE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY AND THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. AND IT'S NOT RIGHT THAT THEY HAVE YOUR EAR TO THE POINT WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE BEACH THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SHUT DOWN AND IGNORE THE CITIZENS. YOU KNOW, THOMAS JEFFERSON ONCE SAID THAT AT THE END OF THE DEMOCRACY IT'S NOT CONTROLLED BY THE MAJORITY THAT IT IS COLD BY THE MAJORITY THAT PARTICIPATE. BUT THOSE 14,000 SIGNATURES THAT YOU SEE SO FAR, THAT THEY ARE PARTICIPANTS AND THEY ARE TO REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF THE 500,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. IN CONNECTION WITH TOURISM, WE DRAW NINE MILLION PEOPLE TO COME TO THE CITY FOR FOUR AND A HALF BILLION DOLLAR REVENUE EVERY YEAR. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, BOB DAVIS WILL BE QUICK TO TELL YOU THAT 80% OF THOSE PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE HERE FROM MOSTLY THE SOUTHEASTERN STATES TO GET HERE IN ONE DAY AND THAT THESE PEOPLE WILL DRIVE HERE AND THEY LOVE TO DRIVE AS THEY WOULD COME HERE FOR THE CAR EVENTS LIKE SIX NASCAR RACES, THE TURKEY RUN. THE OTHER CAR SHOWS AND THE MOTORCYCLE RACES. THAT THEY MADE A CAMPAIGN PROMISE NOT TO TAKE CARS OFF THE BEACH. AND THE OTHER DAY IN THE PAPER ON SUNDAY, THEY PRETTY MUCH STATED THAT YOU ALREADY VOTED. AND THAT'S THE PERCEPTION THAT IT WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER AND THAT IN TODAY'S NEWSPAPER, THEY POINT OUT THAT THIS MEETING TODAY IS REALLY ILLEGAL. THAT YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN TO ANY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ADJACENT TO AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND THEM A LETTER TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO IT. SO THEY ARE RIGHT. SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO DO AWAY WITH IT OR VOTE NO.

AND HELLO MRS. KING.

AND MY NAME IS BETTY KING. 101 UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD, DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA.

TRUTH, HONESTY, THAT WE USED TO SHAKE HANDS AND SAY THAT WE'LL DO THIS FOR THAT AND PEOPLE LIVED UP TO THEIR PROMISES. AND HOW THEY LOVE THE BEACH TOO AND NOW I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING SOLD OUT. I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. GIVE ME A BREAK. WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING? IT'S LIKE 230 ROOMS. WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING A BUNCH OF MAIDS FOR $6 TO $8? AND THEN THE MONEY GOES OUT OF TOWN? WE'RE HELPING THEM. THEY'VE GOT A BARGAIN ON THE PROPERTY. AND THEY STARTED THE PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE ON THEIR DRIVE. AND TO SAY NO TO THEM. AND THE HARD ROCK JUST FELT LIKE THEY, LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE GETTING. THAT I WANT SOME TOO. AND SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE PERSON, TWO PEOPLE, EVERYONE IS GOING TO WANT THE SAME THING. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PARKING ACROSS THE STREET. BUT WHAT DID THAT DO FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? IT TOOK MONEY TO BUY THESE PARCELS. WHAT DID THAT DO? OH IT TOOK IT OUT TO THE TAX ROLLS. THAT'S OKAY. JUST KEEP ASKING PEOPLE FOR MORE SO WE COULD GIVE IT AWAY. AREN'T WE A LOT GENEROUS? WE ARE TOO GENEROUS TO THE SALESPEOPLE. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE BRIBED TO COME HERE TO BUY A PROPERTY. THAT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. AND I ASK YOU ALL TO PLEASE END THE ORDINANCE AND VOTE NO IF YOU HAVE TO GO AHEAD. YOU CAN STOP THIS RIGHT NOW AND LET US HAVE OUR 17 MILES OF BEACH INSTEAD OF 47. SO PLEASE DO WHAT WE ASK YOU TO DO WHILE YOU'RE HERE. AND ALSO WE THINK THAT YOU REPRESENT US AND I WOULD STILL LOVE TO HAVE TRUST IN MY COUNCIL THEY PAY TO REPRESENT ME. PLEASE DO THE NO LET ME DOWN. PLEASE SAY NO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT, STEW MARVIN HAVE YOU SHOWED UP YET? HE IS DONE. PETER, HERE YOU ARE, SIR. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

I LIVE IN 2745 BIG JOHN DRIVE. AND THE LAND IN WHICH WE ARE WRITING THAT PAPER THE OTHER DAY THAT IS BEING TAKEN AWAY BY THE COUNTY. AND IT SORT OF CHANGES THAT SUBJECT HERE.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND, SIR. OKAY. AND THIS ISSUE IS NOT FOR THE COUNCIL AT THIS MOMENT THAT I WILL HOLD YOUR SLIP. AND THIS ONE WILL BE TAKEN AFTER LUNCH.

AFTER LUNCH. AFTER LUNCH. I'M SO SORRY THAT I DID NOT LOOK AND I THOUGHT YOU WERE A PART OF THE BEACH DRIVING ISSUE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AND IT IS A SURPRISE. AND THAT I'M SO SORRY.

IT'S OKAY. HAVE A SEAT, SIR. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK MOMENTARILY. IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. ALL RIGHT, DOUG HALL, RAISE YOUR HANDS. NO, JUST SIT DOWN, SIR. JUST HAVE A SEAT AND GIVE THEM THE MICROPHONE RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.

SIR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND JUST A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE THEM THE MIC.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. AND MY NAME IS DOUG HALL AND I LIVE AT 1405 EDGE WATER ROAD INDAYTONA BEACH.

OKAY SIR, HERE IS THE WAY THAT WE'LL DO IT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO 30 SECONDS BEFORE THE CLOCK RUNS OUT, I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO FINISH UP YOUR POINT.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL TAKE A LOT MORE THAN THAT AND THAT I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE SCA PROPOSAL, REGARDING SETTING THE STANDARD FOR DEVELOPERS. AND WHO ARE INTERESTED IN LIMITING THE CAR ACCESS TO THE BEACHES BEHIND THEIR PROPERTY. FRANKLY I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THE ISSUE. HOWEVER I AM A SUPPORTER THAT WE NEED TO SET STANDARDS.

EARLIER RECORDING THEIR PLANS FOR DISABILITY AND FOR HANDICAPPED ACCESS. THAT'S GREAT. BUT THAT'S TWO PROPERTIES. WHAT ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES? WE NEED TO SET SOMETHING WHERE WE ARE MANDATING THAT EVERYBODY DOES THE SAME THING. WE NEED TO REMEMBER DISABILITY. I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT CARS, WHATEVER. AND MY FEELING IS THAT WE NEED TO ALSO LOOK AT DISABILITIES. THAT THIS ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT DO MANDATES AND FRANKLY NOT BEING DONE. I WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT TWO ITEMS. ONE PARKING. WE TALKED ABOUT PARKING OFF BEACH THAT'S GREAT. BUT WHAT ABOUT HANDICAPPED PARKING? THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WITH WHEELCHAIRS AND MOBILITY PROBLEMS THAT NEED PARKING AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SAID. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL NEED TO LOOK AT IT. ACCESS TO THE BEACH. YES, GETTING FROM PARKING TO THE BEACHES ARE. RIGHT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT THIS ARE STEEP STEPS TO GO TO THE BEACH. HOW IN THE WORLD SOMEONE THAT IS MOBILITY IMPAIRED GET TO THE BEACH IF THERE ARE STEEP STEPS? THEY NEED TO HAVE RAMPS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND DAYTONA BEACH THAT WOULD HAVE THE BEACH WHEELCHAIRS. THAT THEY WOULD SEEMED TO HAVE DISAPPEARED. AND THEY NEED TO BE BROUGHT BACK. THAT'S ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THEY WILL NEED TO LOOK AT TO ASK THE DEVELOPERS AND THE HOTELS TO PROVIDE THE BEACH CHAIRS FOR THEMSELVES THAT THEY COULD EVEN CHARGE THE RENT LIKE DISNEY DOES ON THE ITEMS. OKAY MR. HALL YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS.

GOOD. THAT'S FINE. THE OTHER THING REAL BRIEFLY IS ABOUT BOARD WALK. WE HAVE A BOARD WALK NOW THAT'S BY THE OCEAN CENTER. AND I SUGGEST THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO SET SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE A BOARD WALK ALONG THIS WHOLE AREA SO THAT PEOPLE COULD TAKE A WALK WHETHER THEY ARE IN A WHEELCHAIR OR NOT AND I THINK IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT COULD BE DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. HALL.

NANCY BURGESS-HALL, YOU'RE NEXT.

GOOD AFTERNOON VOLUSIA COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF, CITIZENS. I LIVE AT 1405 EDGEWATERROAD DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA. I'D LIKE TO PROCESS WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. THAT I'M GRATIFIED THAT MUCH OF WHAT I WROTE HERE WAS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING. AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IMPRINTED.

I RESPECTED OUR CORE AREA OF DAYTONA BEACH IS BLIGHTED. AND MANY INCLUDING MYSELF WANT TO BRING IN NICE HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, ETC. I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THE DREAMS WHERE BOTH EXPENSIVE VENUES ARE AVAILABLE AS WELL AS MEDIUM PLACES FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE HIGH INCOMES.

BUT I DON'T WANT IT AT THE EXPENSE OF PUBLIC ACCESS AT ALL INCLUDING THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T WALK. I SUPPORT REPLACEMENT OF THE LOST PARKING SPOTS WITH THE EQUAL AMOUNT OF FREE PARKING OR RATES TO EQUAL TO WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DRIVE ON THE BEACH ON THE EAST SIDE. AND THE HANDICAPPED AND THE WHEELCHAIR WITH THE PARKING THAT MUST BE AVAILABLE ON THE EAST SIDE, MEETING OR EXCEEDING WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATE. AND THAT I URGE THE COUNTY AND THE HOTELS REQUESTING NO DRIVING ON THE BEACH OR EVEN THOSE THAT HAVE ALLOWED DRIVING TO INCLUDE RAMPED ACCESS TO THE BEACH, BOTH OFF I1A AND -- A1A AND IN ADDITION THAT I WOULD LIKE THE COUNTY AND THE INDIVIDUAL HOTELS TO PROVIDE THE ACCESSIBLE BEACH CHAIRS WITH THE MOBILITY IMPAIRMENTS. THE AVAILABILITY SHOULD BE POSTED IN PROMINENT PLACES, INCLUDING HOTEL AND TOURISM LITERATURE THAT IT COULD BE ADVERTISED AS ANOTHER BENEFIT TO VACATIONING IN DAYTONA BEACH THAT I HAVE TRAVELED AROUND AND I RARELY FIND HOTEL ROOMS THAT HAVE ROLLING SHOWERS AND ACCESSIBILITY FACING THE BEACH THAT I RARELY SEE ADVERTISED, ANYTHING ABOUT WHERE ACCESSIBLE RAMPS ARE OR WHERE THE BEACH CHAIRS COULD BE FOUND THAT IT COULD REALLY BE AN ATTRACTION FOR DAYTONA BEACH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT MARGARET COLEMAN. WHERE ARE YOU AT, HOLLY? COME ON UP AND HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT. HERE'S THE DEAL, OKAY? THESE ARE THE LAST TWO SPEAKERS. OH, I DON'T HAVE HIS THING, WE'LL LET HIM SPEAK AFTER THE YOUNG LADIES. WE'VE GOT THEM COVERED.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS BARBARA COLEMAN. I LIVE AT 305 JOHN ANDERSON DRIVE. IN FLORIDA. AND I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I MOVED HERE IN 1968. WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL I HAD A SURF SHOP WITH MY BROTHERS ON MAIN STREET, WHICH WAS VERY ACTIVE AND VITAL AT TIMES. AND WE HAD OPEN DRIVING THAT WAS NIGHT, DAY, THAT SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER.

AND THEIR PORTION OF THE BEACH.

AND THAT THE DECISION WAS MADE BY THE PUBLIC. AND THAT IN OTHER WORDS WHEN YOU WERE DRIVING THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAD TO GO UP THE APPROACH TO GET OFF THE BEACH TO GET BACK ON TO DAYTONAS AS WE WANTED TO AVOID THAT. THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE. THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF WHY WE LET YOU ALL VOLUSIA COUNTY MANAGE OUR BEACH. THE IDEA OF BEING WAS THAT IF WE HAD IT ALL ONE CONTINUOUS BEACH THAT WE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE THE DISAGREEMENTS THAT WE HAD AMONG THE CITIES. NOW AS WE HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE AND NOW WE SEE THAT ONCE AGAIN THE BULK OF THIS ORGANIZATION OF THE BEACH. AND THE EASE OF ACCESS IS WHAT MADE DAYTONA VERY ATTRACTIVE. GETTING ON AND OFF AND THAT I MYSELF HAD A SAILBOAT THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THAT CAR AT THAT TIME AND I LITERALLY WALKED MY SAILBOAT DOWN TO THE BEACH. DOWN THE BEACH RAMP, WHICH IS NOW CLOSED. SO ANY YOUNG PERSON OF THAT TIME WHEN I WAS LIKE 15, THEY CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE THAT IT WAS NOT ALLOWED. JUST THE SAILBOAT RIDE. THE HANDICAPPED ISSUE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'LL TAKE TWO PEOPLE TO GET A HANDICAPPED PERSON DOWN THE BEACH. WHY? YOU TAKE SOMEBODY IN A METAL HANDICAPPED WHEELCHAIR AND YOU GET THEM DOWN TO THE BEACH TO TRADE OFF THE BEACH ITEM. THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE TAKE THAT BACK TO THE CAR SO THAT IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY THIS COUNTY TO SAY THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT SOME PLASTIC HANDICAPPED CHAIRS FOR THEM. CARS, IF YOU TOOK PHYSICS IN HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE AND THAT YOU KNOW THE SAFEST PLACE IS A CAR, WHY? BECAUSE IF LIGHTNING STRIKES AND WITH THE MANY OF THE FAMILIES THAT WILL COME TO THE BEACH. THAT THEY COULD GET IN THE CAR TO GET OUT OF THEIR STORMS THAT IT IS NOT LIKE THAT UP NORTH AND THAT OUR STORMS WILL COME ON QUICKLY. AND MY FATHER USED TO COME DOWN TO THE BEACH TO GET ME OUT OF THE SAILBOAT AND DRIVE THE CAR AND GET ME IN TO THE CAR WHILE THE STORM PASSED. THE BEACH IS DIALIC.

YOU HAVE RUN OUT OF TIME.

JUST LAST THING, YOUR MISSION IS NOT TO RAISE OUR TAX BASE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT, HOLLY, YOU ARE NEXT. NO, NO, NO, HE'S ON A DIFFERENT ISSUE. AND YOU ARE. HE JUST LIKES SITTING HERE WITH US.

I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE, BUT I LIVE ON 120.

CAN YOU COME CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU?

I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE, WHICH IS WITHIN FEET OF SUMMER BEACH AND THE SILVER BEACH APPROACH. I DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO INCREASED TRAFFIC IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO ASKING FOR MY PARKING PERMITS FOR IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I WANTED --

TO CARRY ON WITH SAFETY BEING FIRST. MANY OF YOU MIGHT BE FROM HERE, MIGHT NOT BE FROM HERE. A COUPLE YEARS AGO A LITTLE GIRL IN FLAGLER WAS KILLED WHEN SHE CHASED HER BEACH BALL OUT IN TO THE TRAFFIC. THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO AVOID.

AND IF YOU COULD PAUSE THAT, FINISH YOURS.

THAT THERE ARE SO MANY OF US HERE. I'M ABOUT TO GRADUATE WITH A DEGREE IN ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS AND THAT I APPRECIATE THESE PEOPLE COMING TO OUR TOWN AS I DON'T APPRECIATE THE MUSIC. AND THAT THE SAFETY FEATURES, OF COURSE THEY WOULD GO FIRST AND THAT I WANTED TO SHED THE LIGHT AND THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT HIT. AND I SEE A CHILD GO FLYING ON MY WAY TO THE BEACH. THAT I COULDN'T STOP THAT IT WAS AN EMERGENCY AND IT WAS NOT MY CHILD OR MY PEOPLE. AND THIS WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN THAT THE PEOPLE WHO VISIT, THAT CORE AREA THAT YOU SPEAK OF, THEY CAN'T CROSS THE ROAD NOW. MUCH LESS WITH CHAIRS. THAT EVERYBODY JAYWALKS. IT'LL BE ENOUGH TO DRIVE YOU NUTS WHEN YOU WOULD LIVE HERE AS I WAS RAISED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY, BORN IN SONO COUNTY. AND THERE WAS A HOSPITAL IN DELTONA, NOW I OWN PROPERTY IN DAYTONA BEACH. NOTHING'S IMPROVED. I COME BACK TO THIS AREA IN 2001. AND THE FIRST THING THAT I DID BEFORE EVEN STOPPING AT MY HOUSE. IT WAS TO GO TO DRIVE DOWN THE BEACH. LIKE I HAD ALWAYS KNOWN AND THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO. AND TO GROW UP MY HEART.

THAT YOU CAN ALL DATE THIS BACK TO THE BEGINNING. OPEN THE BEACHES ENTIRELY AND LET US WORK WITH IT FROM THERE AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT NIGHT BEACH DRIVING THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO HAVE EVENTS AND SO THAT THOSE OF US WHO SO BADLY WANTED TO JUST DRIVE. I DON'T. FOR HOWEVER MANY MILES THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT TO LET US DO IT AGAIN. THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY YES. TO STOP THIS NOW AND TAKE THE TIME TO BE PROFESSIONALS AND CONSIDER THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THE MONEY FOR THIS COUNTY. IF ANYBODY HAS EVER BOTHERED TO LOOK AT LIBRARY IN ORLANDO WITH A BOOK. IT IS ACTUALLY DEFINITIVE AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY STAND FOR. IT'S' ONE. A PEOPLE OF THEIR OWN OPINION AND PEOPLE TO COME TO SPEAK HERE AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COULD RESPECT OUT. IT'S TEARING THIS PLACE APART. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. OKAY. BOB. NO, NO YOU SIT RIGHT THERE, BOB.

OKAY, WATCH OUT. MRS. HALL IS IN FRONT OF YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, BOB.

ALL RIGHTY, THANK YOU.

HEY, DON'T DO THAT. DON'T BREAK THE -- EQUIPMENT TODAY.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

OKAY FOR THE RECORD WE NEED YOUR FULL NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

I APPRECIATE THAT. MY NAME IS ROBERT. I LIVE AT 100 SILVER BEACH AVENUE. THAT'S THE WORD WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF TODAY. I'VE BEEN HERE AND MY CURRENT ADDRESS FOR APPROXIMATELY 23 YEARS I CAME TO FLORIDA FROM NEW YORK IN '83. AND SO I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. I AM A MEMBER TO SIT ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WITH THE LEGAL ADVOCACY CENTER FOR THE CENTRAL FLORIDA. CONSUMING 12 COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATIONS GOING FROM THE COAST HERE ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE GULF OF MEXICO. AND TODAY I WAS VERY HARD AND SURPRISED TO HEAR HOW MANY PEOPLE ON ONE SIDE OF THE CORNER OR THE OTHER MENTIONED THE ADA LAWS, INCLUDING JUST RECENTLY A MEMBER OF THE LEGAL FIRM. AND THAT SPOKE OF THE ADA COMPLIANCE. THAT IT MUST BE MAKING THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE DISABLED. AND THIS IS WHAT I AM HOPING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO. AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE PIN THAT I WEAR THAT I SUPPORT THE THREE AMENDMENTS COMING TODAY. HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE TO TWEAK IT AS THEY WILL DEVELOP THIS PROGRAM IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IS IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BUILD A BOARD WALK FROM SILVER BEACH TO THE UNIVERSITY. AND HAVING CONNECTIONS TO THE BUSINESSES AND ALSO TO THE BEACH FOR ALL WITH THE RAMPS TO GO DOWN ON THIS HARD WALK. IF YOUR WALKED UP SOME OF THE STAIRS TO THE DUNES UP IN FLAGLER AND THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY HERE THAT YOU'LL NOTICE WHEN THERE'S A HIGH TIDE AND THE SANDS GET PUSHED IN THAT THE STAIRS ARE BURIED. SO THE HARD SAND AND BURY IT SO THAT THERE ALWAYS WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL WAY FOR THE PERSONS WHO HAVE MOBILITY PROBLEMS TO GET TO THE BEACH. NUMBER TWO, BY BUILDING THIS BOARD WALK, YOU ARE GIVING SOMETHING BACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU MIGHT BE TAKING PARKING AWAY FROM THEM, BUT YOU ARE GIVING THEM SOMETHING BACK AND THEY WILL COME. IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO ATLANTIC CITY. THE BOARD WALKS ARE ALWAYS BEING USED, ESPECIALLY BEING THERE IN THE MORNING WITH THE LATER PART OF THE AFTERNOON. AND THIS WILL OPEN UP NEW BUSINESS ENTERPRISES FOR -- ENTERPRISES. I HOPE THAT YOU INCLUDE MEMBERS OF THE DISABLED COMMUNITY AND I'M VOLUNTEERING RIGHT NOW MYSELF AND I KNOW OTHERS THAT WILL.

BOB.

AND MY 30 SECONDS ARE TO GO. JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNTY. YOU ALSO HELPED US BUILD A NEW BRIDGE. I WAS AGAINST IT WHEN THEY WANTED TO TEAR DOWN AND REPLACE IT WITH A HIGH-RISE. BUT WHEN WE GOT VOTED DOWN ON THAT I VOLUNTEERED AND I DID SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE FOR A NEW VETERANS MEMORIAL BRIDGE AS WE NOW HAVE PLAN TO HAVE CHARGING STATIONS. COULD YOU PUT A FIVE-STORY BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT? BUT WE HAVE A WAY OF CONQUERING IT NOW.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, BOB.

THANK YOU.

JEFF IS COMING UP ON YOUR RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT WE ARE OUT OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

SO WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE WILL NOW OPEN UP THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON ORDINANCES 2015-06. THE FIRST ORDINANCE, MR. WAGNER?

YES. MY COMMENTS WILL BE SOMEWHAT SHORT. A LOT OF MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE ALREADY TO THE MEDIA. FIRST AND FOREMOST THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE. I'VE APPRECIATED THE COMMENTS. I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME GREAT SPEAKERS, SOME GREAT THINGS SAID FROM BOTH SIDES. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND THANK YOU FOR BEING CORDIAL. A FEW PARTICULAR PEOPLE I THINK THAT WERE HELPFUL THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. DAVID DAVIS, I THOUGHT YOU WERE ENGAGED, VERY SABLE. I THINK THAT YOU'RE A SHARP MANWISE MAY DISAGREE -- A SHARP MAN AS WE MAY DISAGREE ON THAT. JAMES HARPER, I'M NOT A NANCY REAGAN MAN. TO AFFECT ANY GROUPS THE MINORITIES WITH THE DRUG WAR HAS BEEN CATASTROPHIC, SO I WILL NOT BE USING THAT AS MY IN REALLY GETTING THIS OUT. Z I THINK IT'S BEEN GREAT. GREG HAS BEEN A CHAMPION FOR THIS CAUSE EARLY ON. AND I'VE KNOWN GREG SINCE I HAVE SERVED FOR HIS BROTHER SINCE I WAS A LITTLE KID, BUT I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR ME PERSONALLY AS I PULL OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY. THAT'S MY BROTHER-IN-LAW'S HOUSE. WHO ALSO PERSUADED MY MOM. IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TIMES IN THE WAGNER HOUSEHOLD. I HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO BEACH DRIVING IN THE PAST. I'M STILL COMMITTED TO BEACH DRIVING AND PROBABLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT I AM. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE BEACH DIRECTOR CAN AFFIRM THIS THAT I WOULD CALL HIM AND COMPLAIN CONSTANTLY ABOUT THE BEACH BEING CLOSED AND WHY ARE WE CLOSING IT AT THIS TIME AND THIS AND WHY ARE THERE CONES HERE AND WHAT ARE WE UP TO? SOMEONE MENTIONED IN DRIVING ON THE BEACH WITH TWO LITTLE KIDS WHEN THAT IS HIGH IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. WHEN IT IS HIGH AND THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE BEACH WE BRING THEM DOWN THERE. I DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE AS A PARENT. I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I SPEND MOST OF MY TIME, THERE'S NO DRIVING ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SURF THERE, WHICH IS NICE BECAUSE YOU CAN DRIVE RIGHT UP TO IT. I'M MAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT OPEN AND I NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT. IT'S A PAIN AND AWFUL AND SOMETHING TO GET USED TO. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE BEACH DRIVING. THAT'S THE POINT. IT'S A STAND UP PADDLE BOARD. AND I HEARD A WHISPER OVER THERE, I'M SORRY. AND THAT I ONLY HAVE IT BECAUSE OF THE KIDS. BUT THAT'S THE ISSUES WITH THE BEACH DRIVING AND HOW I SEE THIS IN MY WHY THAT I WANT TO KEEP IT SHORT. THIS IS HARD FOR ME AND DIFFICULT BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN A BEACH PRO DRIVING PERSON, REMAINING A BEACH DRIVING PERSON, BUT I HAVE A SOMEWHAT OF A DILEMMA AS THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO IN MY OPINION NOT SUPPORT PROJECTS THAT I THINK WILL GIVE US TO A POINT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEXT LEVEL THAT I THINK THAT WE'LL NEED TO GO TO AND AS I EXPLAINED THIS TO MY 2-YEAR-OLD AND 4-YEAR-OLD LAST NIGHT. WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON BEACH DRIVING. THAT THEY WERE CONFUSED. WE WOULD GO THERE ON SUNDAY IN FRONT OF THE DRIVE-IN CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY. IT IS JUST ME AND MY TWO KIDS AND THAT THEY WOULD TEACH THEM HOW TO PRAY, BUT WE GO THERE EVERY SUNDAY AND A LOT OF THE TIMES THEY ARE OVER THERE ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, REALLY THEN GAUGING THEM. JUST SMART KIDS. THE FIRST THOUGHT FROM THE 4-YEAR-OLD, DAD WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DRIVING ON THE BEACH? WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE OF THE INSTANT REACTION. THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE ON THE BEACH AND IT EASED THEM QUITE A BIT. HE WAS VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THEM QUITE A BIT. I EXPLAINED WHY I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT. HIS FUTURE GOING TO THE NEXT LEVEL. THAT I'M TIRED OF IT. MY FRIENDS LEAVING. IS THIS THE ANSWER? NOT IN ITSELF, BUT TRADER JOE'S IS. DAYTONA WON, DAYTONA PRICES AS I WOULD LOOK AS A WHOLE THAT I'M OKAY WITH THE LEGACY GETTING RID OF 1,300 FEET OR POSSIBLY A MILE THAT I'M OKAY WITH IT, I ACCEPT IT. WHAT I DON'T WANT MY LEGACY TO BE IS THE COUNCIL OF NO. THAT I DON'T WANT IT. THAT SOMETIMES THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT ARE HARD AND I DON'T LIKE THEM THAT THEY WOULD GO AGAINST IT. THAT I DON'T LIKE THEM. BUT I WAS ELECTED TO MAKE THE TOUGH HARD DECISIONS. AND THAT ARE NOT PERSONAL TO ME BECAUSE THAT A PERSONAL ME DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT. BUT WHAT I WAS ELECTED TO DO IS THIS AND THAT IS MY VIEW, ACCEPT IT, I GET IT. BUT I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THEIR FIRST ORDINANCE.

OKAY. A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE 2015-06, DO I HEAR A SECOND?

SECOND.

I HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON.

MR. WAGNER? THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL YOU'VE GOT? MR. DANIELS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE ONE THING ABOUT THE COUNTY'S ROLE, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE EXACTLY RIGHT THAT WE WOULD TAKE OVER THE ROLE OF RUNNING THE BEACH. AND THAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE A REMARKABLE JOB ON THIS. TO PRESERVE THE BEACH DRIVING. IN FACT WE HAVE PRESERVED IT LONG BEFORE HIS NATURAL LIFE. THE CITIES WOULD HAVE NEVER LAID OUT THE MONEY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN THEM OFF THE BEACH 20 YEARS AGO. SO ANYBODY THAT LIKES BEACH DRIVING, THEY REALLY SHOULD BE THANKING THE COUNTY FOR PRESERVING IT AND PRESERVING IT FOR A LOT LONGER THAN THE CITIES THAT WOULD HAVE AND THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ANYWAY.

MR. DANIELS IF I MAY FOR A MOMENT. OKAY FOLKS. I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE AND WE WERE RESPECTFUL TO YOUR VIEWS AND THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE LAUGHTER BACK HERE THAT WE WERE NOT GIGGLING, THAT WE WERE DOING OUR JOB. MR. DANIELS HAS THE FLOOR. PLEASE GIVE HIM THE RESPECT. AND DUE OF HAVING THE FLOOR. AND I APOLOGIZE MR. DANIELS YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU.

AND YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN ARGUING TO GET THE CARS OFF THE BEACH FOR 20 YEARS. BECOMING APPARENT WHEN I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BEACH COMMITTEE AND THE CHARTER REVIEW DOING A LOT OF ECONOMIC DAMAGES IN THE AREA TO CHANGE MY MIND AS I HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE EVER SINCE. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO PROPOSE THAT WE WOULD AT LEAST THINK ABOUT JUST DOING IT. AND JUST TAKE THE CARS OFF THE BEACH FROM THE UNIVERSITY TO SILVER BEACH. SO JUST DO IT. AND THE REASON FOR DOING IT IS THAT A FOUR OR FIVE-STAR HOTEL IS NOT LIKELY TO SHOW IF YOU ARE IN VEGAS TO TAKE THE CARS OFF THE BEACH TO RUN THIS GAUNTLET THAT THEY ARE JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT. ANYBODY WITH MONEY THAT WILL BRING THE INTELLIGENCE AND THE CAPABILITY TO DO THAT SORT OF PROJECT. AND IT IS GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GO SOMEPLACE WHERE THEY ARE WANTED AND WHERE THE TABLE IS SET AND THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT SETTING THE TABLE. BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANYBODY MADDER I DON'T THINK BY DOING THAT IF YOU TAKE ONE CAR OFF THE BEACH TO MIGHT AS WELL GET THAT GOING. AND THAT THE OTHER THING IS THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BE LIKE THE PARK AS WE WOULD TAKE THEM OFF THE PARK AS THEY WOULD SHOW UP AND THEY WERE UPSET ABOUT IT. NOW EVERYBODY LOVES THAT PARK. AND THIS WOULD BE LIKE ANDY. YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE IT. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I SUPPORT THIS. WHAT I THINK A LOT OF THEM DON'T BELIEVE IS THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE US. THEY DON'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD PUT THAT PARKING. THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM ACCESS. IF WE DO THAT, THAT'LL MAKE UP FOR A LOT. LET ME THANK MR. WAGNER. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THIS ISSUE FORWARD.

WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING THAT UP IN FRONT OF ALL THESE PEOPLE.

I'M SORRY. BUT YOU ALSO BROUGHT UP THE HOMELESS ISSUE. LET'S MOVE ON TO SOMETHING THAT'S LESS CONTROVERSIAL. I RESPECT YOU FOR HAVING TO DO THAT. WHAT WE'RE GIVING THE DEVELOPERS IS THE HALF MEASURE. WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD REALLY RELY ON IT. THAT THIS WILL BE AN ISSUE EASIER TO DO IT TO GIVE THEM THEIR INVESTED RIGHTS TO GET IT OVER THAT I MAY BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL FEEL THIS WAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD WANT TO GO FURTHER THAN WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES?

WE'LL NEED TO STICK WITH THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN. THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THIS IS THE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. NOW I DON'T ASK THAT YOU AGREE WITH ME. BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU RESPECT ME AS I WILL RESPECT YOU. THAT I HAVE HEARD OF A RATE OF CONCERNS HERE TODAY. I BELIEVE THAT TRULY EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM WANTS VOLUSIA COUNTY TO BE THE VERY BEST THAT IT CAN BE FROM THE RECREATIONAL STANDPOINT. FROM THE ECONOMIC STANDPOINT. OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN. AND THAT WE WANT WHAT IS BEST FOR ALL OF US. AND TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD WANT TO COME AND TO DO BUSINESS WITH US. I EMBRACE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE MUST DO AS WE MUST HAVE CITIZENS, PARTICIPATIONS AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WILLING TO INVEST THEIR MONEY AND THEIR TIME IN THIS COUNTY. I WAS BORN HERE AS I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP YOUR ROOTS ARE HERE, BUT MINE IS THREE GENERATIONS DEEP. I WAS ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WENT TO THE BEACH BECAUSE I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD GET THERE. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS CHANGE, THAT PEOPLE CHANGE. THAT I CAN GO TO ANY BEACH TODAY, SO THERE ARE THOSE WHO DID NOT THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. AS WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE MUST BE PARTNERS

IN THIS. I ASKED MY GRANDDAUGHTERS. AS I DROVE THEM TO SCHOOL THIS MORNING. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DRIVING ON THE BEACH TODAY? AND THAT THEY ARE 11 YEARS OLD. AND THEY SAID THAT TO ME. THAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DRIVING ON THE BEACH. SHE SAID WHY IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT? BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WE WANT TO REMOVE CARDS FROM AND THAT THERE ARE FOLKS THAT WANT TO INVEST IN OUR AREA. THEY DON'T WANT THE CARS IN FRONT OF THE INVESTMENT. SHE WOULD SAY THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. THAN WHERE IT IS DRIVING ON THE BEACH AT 11 YEARS OLD. I WOULD SAY IT'S TRADITION VERSES THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW HOW DEEP THIS RUNS FOR YOU AND FOR ALL OF MY MEMBERS HERE, MY COLLEAGUES ON THE COUNCIL. WE'VE GOT TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T LOOK BACKWARDS, YOU MUST LOOK FORWARD. I MADE A COMMITMENT TO DO SOME THINGS HERE. BY THE WAY I'M NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE AGAIN. SO YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT'S THE CASE. I WANTED YOU TO KNOW FOR 12 YEARS THAT IT HAS BEEN MY BONE. DOES IT CHANGE? SOMETIMES IT MAY CHANGE. BUT 99.9% OF THE TIME IF IT IS IN MY POWER TO KEEP MY WORD, MY WORD IS MY BOND. SO TO MY COLLEAGUES I SAY TO YOU, YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, BUT KNOW THAT I RESPECT YOU AND FOR WHATEVER YOU MAY DO TODAY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU TOO HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF VOLUSIA COUNTY AT HEART HERE. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT ELECTIONS. IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD FOR ALL OF US. AND SO I THANK YOU. I WILL BE VOTING TODAY BECAUSE I FEEL COMMITTED THAT I MUST DO THOSE THINGS THAT I HAVE INDICATED AND PROMISED THAT I WOULD DO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. PATTERSON?

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I CAME TO VOLUSIA COUNTY IN 1985 AND I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN FLORIDA. AND A PART OF THAT 35% GANG OF THOSE THAT WERE UP HERE BORN AND RAISED IN FLORIDA AND THAT I HAVE ALWAYS LIVED ON A BEACH TO GET A LOT OF E-MAILS. I GUESS THAT THEY WOULD SUGGEST THAT I CAME FROM MISSOURI OR SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW A DARN THING ABOUT WHAT THE BEACH IS OR WHAT THEY WOULD DO OR WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO DO AND THAT THEY DO KNOW THE BEACH AND THAT THERE IS ENOUGH HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS WONDERING WHERE THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE OUT SURFING ON THE BEACH FROM FORT PIERCE TO COCOA MANY YEARS AGO. MY GRADE POINT AVERAGE WHEN I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL REFLECTED THAT ALSO. WITH ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED HI CAME UP HERE I WAS A SINGLE GUY WITH TWO KIDS AND I BRING MY TWO CHILDREN UP HERE. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT I DIDN'T ENJOY THE BEACH, NOT ONE BIT IN DAYTONA BEACH BECAUSE OF THE CARS AND HAVING TO CONSTANTLY PAY ATTENTION AND WORRY ABOUT THEM. AND THAT YEAH I'M A RESPONSIBLE CHAIR AND THAT A LOT OF THE BACKGROUND AND THE EARLY CHILDHOOD ALL ABOUT KIDS WITH FOUR KIDS AND NINE GRANDCHILDREN. THAT'S MY BRAGGING AT THAT MOMENT HERE. AND THAT I DIDN'T ENJOY IT. THAT I REALLY DIDN'T ENJOY IT THAT I MOVED OVER HERE TO THE LAND. I HAD A T-SHIRT MADE. I THINK HAVING MANY OPPORTUNITIES ON OUT THERE FOR THE BEACH, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE BEEN SINCE 1996, WHEN WE TOOK THEM OFF IN THAT CORE AREA. THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT ON THAT AND THAT I THINK THAT WE'LL NEED TO HAVE A BEACH FOR EVERYBODY. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE CARS, IT'S NOT ABOUT EVERYTHING. IT IS JUST AMAZING. I'VE GOTTEN E-MAILS SAYING GREED IS NOT JUST ABOUT MONEY. GREED IS RESOURCES. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO THINK THE ONLY RESOURCE WE SHOULD DO WITH THAT BEACH IS RUN A CAR UP THE DARN THING. WE TALK ABOUT PRIVATIZATION. WHERE SOMEBODY OWNS A PIECE OF THE BEACH. BUT LOOK AT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT THINK THE ONLY THING THAT SHOULD BE ON THE BEACH IS CARS AND PEOPLE. RUNNING AROUND. SO THIS IS REALLY WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THE WHOLE ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT EVERYBODY. THIS BEACH IS ABOUT EVERYBODY, JUST LIKE THEY BELONG TO EVERYBODY. AND HERE IN THE SPRINGS, THAT YOU WOULD GO OUT THERE AND PEOPLE GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND THEY CARRY A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF TO ENJOY THE SPRINGS. NO DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY HAVING TO CARRY IT OUT ACROSS DOWN OFF THE EAST SIDE OF THE BEACH DOWN TO THE BEACH. THAT IT IS NO DIFFERENT. BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE OVER HERE IN THE SPRINGS. THEY'RE HAVING A WONDERFUL TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES. IT IS FABULOUS IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO ANY OF THE SPRINGS OVER HERE YOU OUGHT TO DO IT. YOU REALLY OUGHT TO SEE WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. IT IS A SAFE PLACE FOR KIDS, IT'S A SAFE PLACE FOR ADULTS. I REALLY WANT TO BRING THIS TO VOTE AND TO LET YOU GO AHEAD, JASON. [ CHANGE IN CAPTIONER ]

THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS ABOUT A KID GETTING TOO FAR OUT IN THE WATER. THAT'S WHAT I WANT THEM TO WORRY ABOUT. AND THE PARENTS. AND --

I'M GOING TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A VOTE. YOUR ECONOMIC PROBLEMS OR BENEFITS HAVE REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BEACH. IT IS YOUR CITIES AND YOUR LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES THAT EITHER CLEAN UP THE CITIES, CLEAN UP THE STREETS, FIX THOSE ROADS BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT JURISDICTION THERE. MY MICROPHONE IS NOT CLOSE. SOME WE HAVE JURISDICTION IN BUT MOST OF THE AREAS ARE RUN BY THE CITIES. SO IT'S THEIR JOBS AND IF THIS THING PASSES I WILL BE EXPECTING THOSE CITIES, THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND FIX UP THE AREA. SO LET'S GET THIS FIXED. IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT CARS OR NOT CARS. ALL DAY I'VE HEARD LET VOLUSIA VOTE, LET VOLUSIA VOTE. WE WE DID. WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE THINGS CALLED ELECTIONS. AND THE ISSUE RAISED ABOUT LET VOLUSIA VOTE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T REALLY -- I ALLOWED IT BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A DISCUSSION. WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT A LATER DATE. YOU'RE RIGHT. NANCY REAGAN SAID, JUST SAY NO. YOU ARE CORRECT. SHE WAS REFERRING TO DOPE, CRACK, MARIJUANA, AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER BAD THINGS. WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT ANOTHER REAGAN. HOW ABOUT RONALD REAGAN AND IS IS QUOTED AS SAYING, IT'S NOT US WHO AND IF NOT WHEN -- IF NOT WHO, AND IF NOT, WHEN. SO ARE WE WILLING TO KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD ANOTHER 20, 30 YEARS. ARE WE WILLING TO SAY, WELL, IT'S YOU KNOW CARS DO ALL THIS OR CARS DON'T DO ALL OF THAT. NO, I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE SET THE STANDARD. THAT'S ALL THIS ONE ORDINANCE IS DOING. THIS SETS THE STANDARD FOR FUTURE ISSUES ON THIS MATTER. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL IT DOES. SO, YOU KNOW I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT, I WROTE A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS HERE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T THINK I WANT TO TEAR IT, WASTE ANY MORE TIME THAN ANYONE ELSE. SO I AM GOING TO -- I WAS GOING TO CALL FOR THE VOTE THERE. AND YOU HEARD THE LIGHT POPPED ON. YOU WISH TO HAVE SOME COMMENTS MAN BEFORE I CALL FOR THE VOTE.

YES, MR. CHAIR, JUST BRIEFLY. WAS IT A YEAR AGO WHEN THE WESTIN WAS BEFORE US. OUR CITIZENS HAD TO PAY TO IMPROVE. THAT'S NOT A GOOD DEAL. THAT WASN'T GOOD THEN. IT'S NOT GOOD NOW. THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT TAKING THIS IS NOT COUNTY WIDE. THIS IS FOR A SPECIFIC AREA OF THE BEACH. THIS IS A SPECIFIC ZONE. MR.DANIELS I DON'T SUPPORT TAKING CARS OFF THE BEACH AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL FALL FLAT IN THE FUTURE. THE ONLY REASON I'M SUPPORTING THIS IS BECAUSE OF WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID AND IT'S LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE, THIS IS FOR A SPECIFIC DEFINED CORE ZONE THAT WE'RE SETTING STANDARDS AND TRUTHFULLY IF THIS HAD BEEN DONE, 10, 15, 20, 25 YEARS AGO WE WOULDN'T BE HERE NOW. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE THIRD RAIL OF POLITICAL POLITICS HERE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. IT IS, I GET IT BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT CAN'T GO UNDERSTATED THAT WE ARE INCREASING ACCESS. WE'RE INCREASING ACCESS BEACH SIDE, OCEANSIDE AND INCREASING ADA AVAILABILITY COMPLIANCE AND THE BEACH CHAIRS. THERE'S A HUGE COMMITMENT NOT JUST FROM THE DEVELOPERS BUT FROM THE COUNCIL AND WHEN I USE THOSE CHAIRS AND I WILL TELL YOU WHERE WE KEPT THEM IN NEW SMYRNA BEACH. IT WAS WONDERFUL. I WOULD GO OVER TO THE LIFE GUARD STATION. TAKE THE BEACH CHAIR, TAKE IT OVER TO THE VAN. WE WHEELED HIM OVER TO THE BREAKERS FOR LUNCH. IT WAS WONDERFUL. THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN. THERE'S A COMMITMENT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THIS COUNCIL AND STAFF AND THE DEVELOPERS TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BECAUSE WE ARE WEAK IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS. ON THE ADA, AND HELPING CERTAIN FOLKS GET ACCESS TO THE BEACH IN THAT AREA AND ENJOYMENT. SO I, AS I VOTE TODAY, I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR A SET OF STANDARDS IN A SPECIFIC AREA ONLY. BRINGING ANYTHING ELSE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, THAT'S DIFFERENT. THIS IS FOR A SPECIFIC AREA ONLY ON THIS ORDINANCE AND AND THE WAY, YOU KNOW THE WAY IT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST. I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE GRAND GALASKI I WENT HERE. MANY OF US WERE NOT. I DON'T WANT THIS TO FAIL. VISION IN HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 20/20. BUT HAVING THE VISION FOR FORSIGHT IS IT A RISK? IT IS. BUT THE GREATER THE RISK THE GREATER THE REWARD. I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK I WENT BACK ON A CAMPAIGN PROMISE, I VOTED NO THEN BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THE RIGHT DEAL. BUT THE POTENTIAL FOR SUCCESS NOT IS JUST FOR DAYTONA BEACH. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS CITY'S, MR. CHAIR, I AGREE WITH YOU, CODE COMPLIANCE. I THINK THIS IS A MESSAGE TO THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH. I EXPECT TO SEE, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS COMING OUR WAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE OF COMPLIANCE. WE WANT TO SEE HISTORICAL DATA. I WANT TO SEE CODE COMPLIANCE. THEY HAVE COME TO THE TABLE WITH CODE COMPLIANCE. BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE, I'M GOING TO LOOK FOR SUCCESS. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING TO YES. IT'S THE SUCCESS. IN THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS IF THIS IS A FAILURE, WELL THERE YOU GO. I DON'T THINK CORPORATIONS OF THIS SIZE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF THE DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT IN OUR AREA TO FAIL, NOBODY DOES THAT. NOBODY DOES THAT. I DON'T INVEST $100 TO FAIL. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. SO GOING FORWARD, I LOOKED AT THIS, THIS IS THE HARDEST ISSUE I HAVE EVER DEALT WITH. IT GENERALLY IS. DON'T THINK IT ISN'T. IT IS. IT ABSOLUTELY IS. IT'S A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR ALL OF US. BECAUSE YOU CAN ARGUE IT BOTH WAYS. YOU CAN. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE SETTING STANDARDS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE EVER IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME BEFORE US AND LOOK AT THIS OPPORTUNITY THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH. THEY KNOW WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE. SO FOR THE CITIZENS INVOLVED, I KNOW THIS IS PASSIONATE. I LIVE ON A BEACH TOWN. FOR SOUTH VOLUSIA ISSUE ISN'T ACCESS IT'S ACCOMMODATION. TO ACCOMMODATE FOR ALL THE CARS THAT'S A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY THAT WE WILL HAVE. BUT THE ISSUE IS ACCOMMODATION NOT ACCESS. BUT THE COMMITMENT IS THERE NONETHELESS. FROM THE COUNCIL AND FROM THE RESIDENTS AND POINTS GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU.

SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION OR LIGHTS FROM THE COUNTY COUNCIL, I WILL CALL FOR A ROLE CALL VOTE AND I SHALL GO FIRST.

MR. DAVIS.

I VOTE YES.

MRS. DENYS.

YES.

MR. LOWRY.

YES.

MR. PATTERSON.

YES.

MR. WAGNER.

YES.

MR. DANIELS.

YES.

MRS. CUSACK.

NO.

MR. DAVIS.

YES.

MRS. DENYS.

YES.

MR. LOWRY.

YES.

MRS. COUSACK.

NO.

6-1 WITH MRS. COUSACK OPPOSED.

ITEM NUMBER TWO HAS BEEN HEARD. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THAT BUSINESS THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO BREAK.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE LUNCH BREAK. WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL --

3:00.

3:00.

ALL RIGHT GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS THE MAY 7, 2015 AFTERNOON SESSION OF THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL. WE'RE DOING A LITTLE SWITCH AROUND HERE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE VERY SHORT. VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO DEAL WITH. SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY HERE FOR ITEMS THREE AND FOUR. WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THOSE BACK FOR A MINUTE AND WE'RE GOING TO JUMP ALL THE WAY UP TO ITEM 35. ARE WE DOING 35 OR 36 FIRST? MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE YOU IN THE LOBBY.

WE DO LOBBIES FIRST THAT WILL GET THEM OUT OF THE WAY. I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE DESERVES A LOT MORE DISCUSSION. SO WE'LL READ FOUR.

ALL RIGHT SO WE'LL JUMP TO ITEM 26. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR SIR, MR. CARL.

I'M HERE WITH SMITH THE LEGISLATIVE COORDINATOR AND OUR STATE LOBBYISTS ROBINSON, LOCKHART AND COMPANY ARE HERE. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADIEU I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THEM TO COME FORWARD AND GIVE US A BRIEF UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE. AND YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

IS HE GOING TO CHARGE US LESS BECAUSE WE'RE LETTING YOU GO EARLY.

THANK YOU, RICK. I KNOW YOU'VE HAD QUITE A DAY ALREADY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FIRST OF ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GRAY ROBINSON AND TO WORK WITH US. SO JUST BRIEFLY, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 1974 WHEN I WORKED FOR HYATT BROWN -- BROWN WHEN HE WAS THE INCOMING SPEAKER. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE WHAT HAPPENED THIS SESSION. YOU HAVE A MORE COORDINATED, THE SENATE MET AND ENDED IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS. SO IT'S CREATED QUITE A BIT OF TURMOIL. THE ONE JOB THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE DONE IS NOT DONE WHICH IS THE ADOPTION OF A BUDGET. AND ON YOUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES MANY OF YOUR ITEMS ON THE PRIORITY BEGIN WITH THE WORD, HOPEFULLY THEY CAN COME TO TERMS WITH THE DISAGREEMENTS THAT THEY'VE HAD WHICH HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT POLICY ISSUES BUT HAS LEFT A LOT OF THINGS UNADDRESSED. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE SERIOUS HOT BUTTONS FOR THIS COUNTY IS THE JUVENILE JUSTICE ISSUE. I WILL SAY THAT BEFORE SESSION BEGAN WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING SENATOR ROB BRADLEY TO HAVE A HOUR LONG MEETING WITH DAN EKERT. AS A MATTER OF FACT LATER DURING THE SESSION DAN PROVIDED SOME LANGUAGE TO SENATOR BRADLEY THAT PROVIDED TO THE HOUSE THAT PROVIDED DIFFERENT WAYS OF ALLOCATION OF OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES AMONGST THE COUNTY TO ASSESS EVALUATION OR POPULATION OR SOMETHING FOR

EQUITABLE. WE'VE INCURRED THAT THE ISSUED BEHIND IT AND THE ALLOCATION OF THE FUNDINGS AND POLICIES WITH AMENDMENT ONE AND WHAT TO DO WITH THE MAYOR WATER ISSUES THAT WERE PASSED BY THE VOTERS OF FLORIDA IN AN OVERWHELMING WAY AND HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT AND WHAT THE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR STILL REMAINS UNRESOLVED. SO I CAN TELL YOU THIS, ONE YOUR TEAM, RICK CARL AND OUR LEAD AND ALL OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE INVOLVED ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WERE VERY MUCH ENGAGED AND INVOLVED. NUMBER TWO WE WERE THERE FOR THE WHOLE TIME TRYING TO GET THINGS ACCOMPLISHED. WE CAN DO OUR PART BUT THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR PART AND FOR THE MOST PART THEIR PART ISN'T DONE YET. SO WE'LL BE GOING BACK ON JUNE 1, WE ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR DELEGATION TO PLEASE REACH OUT FOR THEM AND ENCOURAGE THEM. THEY FRANKLY ROSE TO THEIR ELECTION. BUT AS THE LEGISLATURE ADJOURNED, WE'LL BE BACK JUST ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US ON OUR PRIORITIES AND LET'S TRY TO GET THIS DONE IN JUNE. PERHAPS MR. CHAIRMAN WE CAN COME BACK AFTER THAT AND GIVE YOU A WORD ON WHAT THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED. WITH THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND THANK YOU.

YOU WERE JUST UNDER FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

MRS. CUSACK YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, SO GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU.

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO DRINKING GOOD WATER NOW THAT YOU'RE DOWN IN TALLAHASSEE. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BUDGET OR ANYTHING YOU HAVE HEARD.

WE'RE ASKING FOR THE WATER ISSUES TO BE PUT ON THE CALL. THEY MUST DO THE BUDGET AND THEN IT'S A MATTER OF AGREEING WITH THE HOUSE AND SENATE WITH WHAT WILL BE ON THE CALL. I KNOW THE GOVERNOR DOES NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN DOING A CALL UNLESS THEY FAIL. SO THERE'S A CALL FOR THE VOTE. IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH SENATORS OR HOUSE MEMBERS FROM THIS COMMUNITY, ENCOURAGE THAT THE HOT BUTTON ITEMS BE ADDED. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE LEADERSHIP AGREE TO IT, ULTIMATELY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS AFTERNOON.

WE'RE GOING TO ROLL BACK TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HERE WITH THE FIRST QUARTER 2015 REPORT. I WILL START WITH THE FIRST SLIDE IS ANOTHER LOOK AT ANNUAL AVERAGE WAGES BY INDUSTRY. TOP 10 INDUSTRIES HERE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY PROVIDES A NICE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARESON OF ONE INDUSTRY TO THE OTHERS. IN ADDITION FOR EACH INDUSTRY YOU SEE THERE'S A SEVEN YEAR TREND OF ANNUAL AVERAGE WAGE WITHIN THAT INDUSTRY. AND GENERALLY, ANNUAL AVERAGE AGES WITHIN EACH INDUSTRY IS GROWING. YOU CAN SEE THAT MANUFACTURING AND INFORMATION TO THE LEFT OF THE CHART ARE THE DOMINANT INDUSTRIES IN TERMS OF ANNUAL WAGE FOR OUR COUNTY. SO HAD THE GOOD NEWS. COMPARING OURSELVES TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE U.S., FURTHER REENFORCES THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IN GROWING OUR ECONOMY IN A WAY THAT RAISING ANNUAL RATE. WE DON'T DO VERY WELL AGAINST THE STATE OR THE NATION. AND IN PARTICULAR IF YOU LOOK AT THE INFORMATION, FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES, AND PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES YOU SEE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT GAP FOR OUR COUNTY AS COMPARED TO THE STATE AND THE NATION. SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT A PART OF OUR FOCUS. CLEARLY GOING FORWARD. THAT ALSO --

IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, IT'S WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE INFORMATION. IT INCLUDES PRODUCING AND DISTRIBUTING. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR INFORMATION. PRODUCING AND DISTRIBUTING INFORMATION SO IT'S IT, TYPES OF BUSINESSES AS WELL AS BROADCASTING INDUSTRIES. AND TELECOMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY. ANYTHING RELATED TO THE INTERNET. SO THAT CONCLUSION LED US TO LOOK TO VOLUSIA COUNTY COMPARED TO OTHER LEADING COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES. IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY AND THAT'S USING TOTAL WAGE. IF YOU TAKE THE ANNUAL WAGE MULTIPLY IT BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT PARTICULAR INDUSTRY. SO WHAT THIS SLIDE DOES IS TAKE EACH OF THESE INDUSTRIES AND REPRESENTS THEM AS A PERCENTAGE OF THAT COUNTY'S TOTAL ECONOMY. SO IT'S NOT MEANT TO COMPARE PALM BEACH AS AN EXAMPLE TO THE LEFT SIZE OF THEIR ECONOMY AGAINST VOLUSIA COUNTY TO THE RIGHT, BUT EACH OF THESE INDUSTRIES AS A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ECONOMIES. SO QUICKLY YOU CAN SEE THAT LEISURE AND HOSPITALITY, WE'RE LEADING, AS COMPARED TO THESE OTHER COUNTIES AS WELL AS AT THE TOP OF EACH OF THESE BAR CHARTS, IT ALSO REENFORCES THE EARLIER CONCLUSION THAT FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES AND PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES AGAIN AS A PERCENTAGE OF INDIVIDUAL ECONOMIES IT'S NOT AS STRONG HERE IN VOLUSIA AS SOME OF THE LEADING COUNTIES LIKE PALM BEACH AND HILLSBORO. MOVING ON TO THE LABOR STATISTICS, I WILL JUST HIGHLIGHT IN RED THE NUMBERS THAT WE PARTICULARLY TALK ABOUT. AND I WILL JUST SPEAK TO THE ONE WHICH IS THE UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBER. YOU CAN SEE AVERAGE FOR THE FIRST QUARTER IT'S 14,414. I WOULD BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, THAT THAT SAME NUMBER FOR JUST THE MARCH, THE MONTH OF MARCH IS UNDER 14,000 FOR ONLY THE SECOND TIME SINCE 2008. THIS IS ALL GOOD NEWS. [CAPTIONER TRANSITION ]

AND THE NUMBERS FOR EACH OF THOSE INDUSTRIES. AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL EMPLOYMENT AND TO THE RIGHT, WE SHOW ITS GAIN ORS WILL COMPARED TO THE SAME QUARTER YEAR AGO. SO CLEARLY THE LEADERS WERE BUSINESS SERVICES, EDUCATION AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES VISES. AND I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM, WE HAVE PREPARED YOU FOR THE FACT THAT THE PALM COAST MSA NO LONGER EXISTS AS A STAND ALONE ITEM IT IS IN THE BEACH MSA. SO PARTICULARLY FOR THIS DATA SET, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO SEPARATE VOLUSIA COUNTY FROM FLAGLER COUNTY GOING FORWARD. AND HERE IS THE INFORMATION WITH THE POPULATION OVER 20 25* THOUSAND. SO--OVER 25,000. AND YOU CAN SEE $80 MILLION IN TOTAL PERMITS, FOR 265 PERMITS. THAT IS DOWN ALMOST 25% AS COMED TO THE STAY--COMPARED TO THE SAME QUARTER A YEAR AGO. THE SAME THEME OF A SCARCITY OF BUILDABLE LOTS AND SKILLED LABOR, SKILLED LABOR IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. CONVERSELY, WHEN YOU TALK TO LOCAL REALTORS, THEY ARE ENCOURAGED THAT THE ECONOMY, THE HOUSING ECONOMY IS GROWING, GENERALLY, IN A POSITIVE AND IN A MEASURED WAY AND COMING OFF OF A DIFFICULT WINTER IN THE NORTHEAST W PEOPLE'S EQUITY IMPROVED AND PORTFOLIOS ARE PROVING AND PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO, ESPECIALLY THE LEADING EDGE BOOMERS, TAKE A LOOK AT FLORIDA, THEY ARE PREPARE TODAY COMPETE FOR THOSE INTERESTED PARTS. HERE ARE THE NUMBERS FOR THE PERMITS AND WE HAVE REORDERED THE INFORMATION SO THAT IT IS EASIER TO READ, LARGEST TO LOWEST, TOP TO BOTTOM. SO WITH THAT, THE UNINCORPORATED KNEW SMYRNA AND DELAND ARE THE LEADERS IN TERMS OF THE PERMITS AND REPRESENT 57% OF THE VALUE. MOVING INTO COMMERCIAL PERMITS, AGAIN, THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2015 IS DOWN AS COMPARED TO THE SAME QUARTER A YEAR AGO, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THE $152 MILLION PERMIT OUT OF 2014, YOU ARE LEFT WITH $64 MILLION. SO WE ARE DOWN ABOUT 21%, 22%. SOME OF THE OBSERVATIONS ARE THE FACT THAT MAYBE 2013 AND '14 IN PARTICULAR REPRESENT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH PENT UP DEMAND THAT EXISTED AND NOW THE AREA IS PRIME TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO ATTRACT NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND YOU KNOW THE OPPORTUNITIES. SO WE REMAIN OPTIMISTIC THAT 2015 IS A POSITIVE YEAR. SO AGAIN, THE ACTUAL DATA, WE HAVE JUST REORDERED THE SLIDES SO THAT THE LARGEST TO SMALLEST TOP TO BOTTOM IS REPRESENTED, AND IN PARTICULAR, THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH, THEY ALONE REPRESENT ALSO 57% OF THE TOTAL VALUE. THEY HAVE SOME VERY LARGE PERMITS THAT THEY CUT DURING THIS QUARTER: AND WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE PERMITS FROM THE CITIES AND YOU PULL OUT SOME THINGS, WE IDENTIFIED WHAT I WILL JUST CALL MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS, IT IS A DORM, A CONDO, THAT REPRESENTS TWO-THIRDS OF THE ALMOST $50 MILLION IN COMMERCIALER IS HITS THAT YOU SEE--COMMERCIAL PERMITS THAT YOU SEE. AND FORE CLOSURES, WE CONTINUE TO SEE A NICE, STEADY DECLINE IN THE FILING OF NEW FORE CLOSURES. AND WE SEE A NICE JUMP IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2015, UNDER SAY A NICE INCREASE IN THE SALE,--I SHOULD SAY A NICE INCREASE IN THE SALE OF THE PROPERTIES AS COMPARED TO THE 4TH-QUARTER OF LAST YEAR. IT IS A TREND THAT IS COUNTER TO WHAT IS TAKING PART ACROSS THE NATION. INDENES CONSTITUTIONS ARE BEING AGREESTIVE AND--AND INSTITUTIONS ARE BEING AGGRESSIVE. FINALLY, WE WILL END WITH A SLIDE THAT IS AN UPDATE FROM NOVEMBER OF 2013, THAT IS A SLIDE THAT SHOWS EMPLOYERS BY SIZE. THE FIRST THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS IS 11,500 OR SO, QUOTE, ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES. IT IS NOT ALL EMPLOYERS BECAUSE I DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOLE PRO PRY TORES. BUT WE HAVE--SOLE PROPRIETIES. BUT A NUMBER OF EMPLOYERS ALONG THE LEFT HAND Y AXIS AND BUCKETS IF YOU WILL, ACROSS THE BOTTOM. AND WHEN YOU ADD THE FIRST THREE BAR CHARTS TOGETHER, YOU CAN SEE THAT OVER 80% OF OUR BUSINESSES HAVE LESS THAN 10 EMPLOYEES. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO PUT ENERGY AND RESOURCES INTO ASSISTING THOSE COMPANIESND THE BUSINESSER--COMPANIES AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO KNOW WHAT IS KEEPING THEM FROM GROWING AND IF THEY HAVE ISSUES THAT ARE LIMITING THEM. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE HADED ANOTHER Y AXIS THAT IS SHOWING THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYED AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE LARGE PERCENTAGE IS. AND IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT OF THE BOX LABELED STAGE TWO, THOSE NUMBERS, THOSE FOUR DATA POINTS ARE ROUGHLY 55%, 56% OF TOTAL EMPLOYEE. AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT, MR. CHAIR. MY ESTIMATED TEN MINUTES AND I THINKS OF RIGHT AT TEN MINUTES--AND I THINK I WAS RIGHT AT TEN MINUTES.

YOU ARE GETTING GOOD AT THIS. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL? OKAY. I ONLY HAVE ONE COMMENT AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND TOMORROW MORNING, I AM USUALLY THERE BUT THERE IS ANOTHER EVENT THAT I HAVE TO ATTEND TO, BEING THE CHAIR OF THE TDC. SO I AM GOING TO BE THERE. BUT MR. DENNIEEN WILL BE THERE, I UNDERSTAND AS SPEAKER?

NO, SIR.

OH, WAS THERE A CHANGE I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT?

THERE IS CHANGE. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE THAT BASICALLY SPEAK TO THE UPDATE ON VOLUSIA COUNTY. STARTING WITH CONNIE, THE USC SITE MANAGER.

GEE, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE THERE FOR THAT. DARN, I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD BE THERE. THEY DUMPED YOU? HOW DARE YOU DUMP HIM. IS THERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WILL BE THERE TOMORROW?

I WILL [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]

AND MS. CUE CUSACK--MS. CUSACK WILL BE OVER AT THE TOURISM, TOO. WILL YOU BE SO KIND AS TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY.

[ INAUDIBLE ] LOW.

THIONINE--[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]

THAT MEANS YOU GET TO STAND UP THERE AND SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING, IT HAS BEEN GREAT. YOU ARE DOING WONDERFUL AND THANK YOU. MR. DANIELS WILL BE OUR REPRESENTATIVE.

THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS. MR. CHAIR, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND THANKS FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO OUR PROCESS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF THE GOOD NEWS. OKAY, SO THAT BASICALLY ENDS EVERYTHING BUT NO, WE ARE DONE WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO HOP BACK ON THE WAY BACK MACHINE AND GO TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, TRANSFER OF THE RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY ON NORTH STONE STREET DELAND FROM BEHAVIORAL CARE INFORRATED TO THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES VISES. --HEALTH SERVICES. YOU TAKE IT AWAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. DON THAT NCAA--DONNA BUTLER. WE HAVE BEFORE YOU, AN ITEM TODAY, I THINK THE MANAGER WOULD LIKE TO KICK US OFF OF HERE AND THEN I WILL GET INTO DETAILS.

I AM SORRY, SIR.

S THAT OKAY. --THAT IS OKAY. WE REALLY NEEDED TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT TWO AISLES, THAT--ITEMS, THIS ONE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT THIS POINTS OUT, I MEAN, WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT THAT ACTUALLY IS THE MAJOR FOCUS OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. AND NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU WORK, I MEAN, THIS IS A SAFETY NET FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DEPEND ON THE SYSTEMS. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THIS REALLY MAKES, MAKES ME WORRY, IT SHOWS YOU SEVEN SYSTEMS THAT YOU THINK ARE INTACT CAN FALL APART QUICKLY. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN GET HURT IN THE PROCESS. SO WHAT DONNA IS DOING, AND SHE KNOWS IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE, SHE IS REALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THE RIGHT THING TO ENSURE THAT AS MANY PEOPLE KEEP FROM BEING HURT AND LOSING JOBS AND LOSING CARE. SO SHE IS GOING TO TRY TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND THIS WHOLE THING IS NOT OVER, IT JUST STARTED. WITH THAT, DONNA.

THANK YOU, MR. MANAGER. BEFORE I START ON THE AGENDA ITEM, I WANT TO INTRODUCE SOME FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TODAY AND WE HAVE ALL INVESTED A LOT OF TIME IN TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION TO WHAT IS A REALLY CHALLENGING ISSUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND HAVE DONNA DULY, AND IRAN, KELLY--IVAN, KELLY, JEFF WHITE, THE DIRECTOR FOR THE COALITION FOR THE HOMELESS. THESE FOLKS HAVE ALL BEEN, WE HAVE ALL BEEN INVOLVED IN THE VARIOUS STATES. BUT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU TODAY. FIRST STEP THAT WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU TODAY, BACK IN 2007, THE COUNTY PURCHASED THE STONE STREET FACILITY FROM ACT CORPORATION AND THEN DEEDED IT OVER TO WHAT WAS THENAR IS WRENTY, AND IT IS NOW WIN WARD.

HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND. THIS WAS THE PROPERTY THAT WE SPENT MONEY ON AS PART OF TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE THAT HAD ISSUES AND WERE HOMELESS. THE COUNCIL SPENT GENERAL FUND MONEY, AND THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT WE TRANSFERRED OVER AND I THINK SOME SAID IT WAS FORGOTTEN, LIKE WE WERE NOT DOING ANYTHING. BUT THIS WAS A LARGE CHUNK OF GENERAL FUND MONEY. AND I THINK WE DID THE RIGHT THING BY DOING WHAT WE DID. BUT JUST SO WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD, THAT WAS A BIG CONTRIBUTION ON OUR PART, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS ACKNOWLEDGED.

YES, ON THE PART OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL ALLOWED FOR 76 BEDS FOR VETERANS, HOMELESS, AND THOSE WITH MENTAL HEALTH, SUB DANCE ABUSE ISSUES TO BE SERVED RIGHT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO LEAF. SO IT WAS A REALLY NEAT PROGRAM BUT WE PUT IN THE DEED, THERE WAS A REVERTER CLAUSE, IF THE AGENCY WAS NO LONGER ABLE TO USE THE BUILDING FOR ITS USE. SO TODAY, THEY ARE IN A POSITION OF NOT BEING ABLE TO USE THE FACILITY, SO IT IS BEING REVERTED BACK TO THE COUNTY. AND WE ARE SUGGESTING AND RECOMMENDING TO YOU THAT IT BE THEN DEEDED OVER TO STUART MARCHMAN ACT, KNOWN AS SMA FOR THEIR USE. THEY HAVE GOTTEN FUNDING FROM LUTHERAN HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES VISES TO PROVIDE--HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SERVICE--HEALTH SERVICES TO PROVIDE TREATMENT FOR THE BEDS FOR THE REST OF THE PHYSICAL YEAR. SO THEY WOULD TAKE OVER THE CLIENT CLIENTS AND--OVER THE CLIENTS AND THEY WOULD NOT BE DISPLACED. SO THAT IS THE FIRST STEP. OTHER SERVICES WILL BE LOOKED AT OVER THE COMING WEEKS. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF HOMES THAT WE PURR PURCHASE--THAT WE PURCHASED USING FEDERAL GRANT DOLLARS. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR ACTION ON. SO WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING ISSUE.

OKAY, MR. PATTERSON, MS. CUSACK, AND MS. DIDN'TNYS--MS. DENYS, DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST OR AFTER THE PUBLIC?

I DID HAVE ONLY ONE QUESTION THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW TRANSFER ALWAYS THE REVERTER CLAUSE IN IT?

IT DOES, BUT I ASKED FOR FLEXIBILITY. SO IF SMA DID NOT WANT TO USE IT OR HAVE AN USE FOR ALL OF THE BEDS, THAT WITH COUNTY PERMISSION, AND STILL USING IT FOR THE SAME PURPOSE, WE COULD GIVE THEM PERMISSION SO THEY DO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO A WHOLE DEED SWITCH AGAIN. SO THEY ONLY GOT A CONTRACT TO USE, I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING HAPPEN, TO USE 60 BEDS AND THEY WANTED TO LEASE IT TO ANOTHER NON PROFIT THAT COULD PROVIDE SAME OR SIMILAR TYPE SERVICES, THEY COULD SO DO WITH YOUR PERMISSION.

OKAY.

MR. CHAIR?

YES, SIR.

WELL, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF THE TREATMENT FACILITY IN DELAND, FLORIDA FROM THE WINWARD CARE TO SMA BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES VISES, A CONTINUATION OF SERVICES. THIS IS MY MOTION.

OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND BY MS. CUSACK. THANK YOU. OKAY. I AM GOING TO GO TO THE CITIZEN. OKAY, I BET YOU ALL THREE ARE SITTING RIGHT THERE. DON KILL BERRY. OKAY, COME ON UP FRONT, SIR. AND THEN YOU, MS. PORTER. AND THEN MR. [ INAUDIBLE ]. YOU DO NOT GET TO TALK FIRST THIS TIME, SIR. I KNOW. BEFORE THE RECORD, SIR, YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS.

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I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE CENTER. AND WE REALIZE FRIDAY WE GOT THE NEWSPAPER AND THERE WAS A BIG ARTICLE IN THERE THAT THEY HAD COLLECTED THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THERE BECAUSE OF FUNDS AND THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD A HOME LESS CAMP WE ARE RESIDENTS THERE. WE LIVE THERE. TO ME, PERSONALLY, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAVE THE HOMELESS CAMP NEXT DOOR TO MY HOUSE. AND WE WANT TO KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN OR NOT. BASICALLY THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ARE THEY GOING TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE IN BAD SHAPE. AND THE CITY ALSO SAYS WE DO NOT OWN THE ROAD THERE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. I THINK WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS FOR THAT. I AM GOING LET MR. [ INAUDIBLE ] GO BECAUSE IT IS EASIER FOR HIM TO GET OUT. SO WE WILL LET HIM GO SECOND.

I MOVE TO ADDRESS THAT?

SURE, THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, THEY ARE SOMETIMES CALLED IS A RYNNTY WEST, THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR THOSE BUILDINGS AT THIS POINT. THERE ARE A LOT OF RUMORS, THAT IS NOT IN THEIR PLANS AND IT IS NOT IN OUR PLANS TO DO THAT. SO THAT IS, WE ARE NOT PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AT ALL.

RIGHT. AND I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WOULD BE APPREHENSIVE OF THAT RUE MONO. BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

WELL, JOHN IS OUT THERE IN THAT AREA WHERE WE WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT THAT HOMELESS SHELTER. SO NO, THAT BUILDING IS GOING STAY AS IT IS. THAT IS WHAT THEY SAID.

I GOT THE JOHN PART. I GOT THE JOHN PART. MR. [ INAUDIBLE ]. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AN ADDRESS ALL RIGHT RECORD AND GET ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE.

ALL RIGHT, I AM PETER AND I LIVE AT 2745 BIG JOHN DRIVE, OUT BY THE HAVEN. AND OF COURSE, WE GOT WIND THAT THE COUNTY MAY TAKE THIS FACILITY OVER AND WE REALLY DO NOT WANT ANY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO YOU WANT TO WORD THIS, UN-DE-SIGH RABBLE TYPE OF PEOPLE OUT THERE. BECAUSE WE HAVE CHILDREN OUT THERE AND IT IS GOING TO LOWER OUR PROPERTY VALUES. WE DO NOT NEED, I FEEL, THAT KIND OF ATMOSPHERE OUT THERE. AND ANOTHER THING WAS THAT THE COUNTY TAKES IT OVER, ARE THEY GOING TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS AND ET CETERA OUT THERE. THERE ARE NOT MANY FAMILIES OUT THERE BUT WE ARE STILL OUT THERE. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN CONCRETE TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. THAT IS ABOUT IT. SIMPLE AS WELL.

OKAY.

MS. PORTER. DEBBI PORTER, PLEASE COME FORWARD. NAME AN ADDRESS.

2765 BIG JOHN DRIVE. DEBBI PORTER. I HAVE A BUILDING ON 2750, I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, HOW WE HAVE STOPPED ALL OF THE YOU KNOW--ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEM, WE HEARD THROUGH THE PAPER THAT VOLUSIA COUNTY WAS IN THE PROCESS OF THINKING OF PURCHASING ALL OF THEM THAT HAD CLOSED IN DELAND. AND THAT THEY WERE MAYBE GOING TO MAYBE OPEN THEM TO HOMELESS SHELTERS BUT THERE WAS ALSO SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS THAT ROBERT WAS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO TO YOU KNOW, WAS IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A HOMELESS BUILDING AND EVERYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY THAT VOLUSIA COUNTY HAD ALREADY PURCHASED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY IS OR ANYTHING. BUT IF THE CENTER IS BEING TRANSFERRED OVER, ARE THEY TAKING THAT PROPERTY? OR IS VOLUSIA COUNTY BUYING THAT PROPERTY FROM THE CITY?

VOLUSIA COUNTY ALREADY OWNS THE PROPERTY. WHAT WE ARE DOING--NO, WE DO NOT OWN THE PROPERTY.

NO, THE CITY OWNS IT.

WHEN YOU GIVE A DEED TO SOMEBODY, TO ME, THAT MEANS YOU OWN THE PROPERTY.

THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TODAY IS ON STONE STREET IN DELAND, WHICH IS ACROSS FROM OUR HOSPITAL.

OKAY.

THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING REFERRED TO HERE NEAR YOUR RESIDENTS, WE DO NOT OWN THEM. THEY ARE OWNED BY WINWARD.

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NO. [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]

OKAY, I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING AT SAME PROPERTY HERE.

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THEY ARE THEIR PROPERTIES. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY OR THE CITY. WE HAVE PURCHASED [ INAUDIBLE ] HOMES, COMMUNITY HOMES, AND THEY ARE 35 HOMES AROUND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT ARE LOW INCOME HOUSING. THEY ARE NOT FOR HOMELESS.

RIGHT.

THEY ARE JUST LOW INCOME HOUSING. THERE ARE MANY AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACILITIES.

OKAY.

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OKAY. THEN THAT, YOU ARE GOING HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT. BECAUSE APPARENTLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL PART OF THE COUNTY PROPERTY.

I DID TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION.

[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]--I DID, TOO.

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SURE THE FACILES IS TEMPORARILY CLOSED. THE BORDELS NOT MADE ANY PLANS TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. IF THEY CLOSE, THEN THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE CLOSED.

BUTT BUILDING IS NOT CLOSED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL LIVING THERE.

YES, YES, COME ON UP. WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THIS ON THE RECORD. SO IN YOU WILL, IF YOU HAVE WILL A SEAT RIGHT THERE IN FRONT.

I AM DONNA DULY, WE DO HAVE A FACILITY ON BIG JOHN DRIVE, IT IS A 50 BED TREATMENT FACILITY AND WE HAVE CLOSED THAT. WE ALSO HAVE A 16 BED VA TRANS-AL HOUSING PROGRAM OUT THERE--TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROGRAM THAT OUT THERE AND IT NOT CHANGED AT ALL. WE MOVED THE TREATMENT CLIENT FACILITIES OUT.

SO YOU ARE NOT GOING MAKE THIS PLACE A HOMELESS SHELTER OR ANYTHING THIS IS.

I AM NOT.

I MEAN, IT IS YOUR PROPERTY.

I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT.

MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT YOU FOLKS HERE SIT DOWN WITH THESE FOLKS HERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON. THAT IS REALLY BETWEEN--YOU KNOW, AND WE GET TO--WE ARE DEALING TODAY WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY DIGIT. SO IF WE CAN GET YOU GUYS--DIGIT. SO IF WE CAN GET YOU--DIFFERENT.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION OF APPROVAL FOR THE TRANSFER OF THE STONE STREET, MADE BY MR. PATTERSON, SECONDED BY MS. CUSACK. AND MS. CUSACK, YOUR LIGHT IS ON. DO YOU WISH TO TAKE THE FLOOR? NO, SHE DOES NOT. OH, YES YOU DO? OKAY. MS. DENYS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

JUST A COMMENT, FIRST OF ALL, THESE SERVICES ARE SO CRITICAL TO OUR PEOPLE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. SO DONNA, I THANK YOU YOU AND STAFF FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING AS MEDIA FORS, BECAUSE IT IS REALLY US, I MEAN, THEIR NAME IS IN THE HEADLINES BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE THE ONE FRONTING THE BILL AND INVESTMENT TOSS KEEP THIS GOING. TO THAT END, TO THAT END, THERE ARE TWO THINGS--I DON'T WANT TO GO HERE AGAIN SO WHATEVER HAS HAPPENED THAT CAUSED THIS, WILL BE REMEDIED. IT WILL BE REMEDIED. IT WILL BE REMEDIED BEHIND THE SCENES AND THIS, IT IS HARD ENOUGH FOR ESTABLISHED ORGANIZATIONS AND NON PROFIT TOSS NAVIGATE THIS THIS AREA. COUNCIL, IF YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO BE EASY SET UP A HOMELESS SHELL FRESH THE GROUND UP IN VOLUSIA COUNTY, WHEN WE HAVE ESTABLISHED NON PROFITS WITH VOLUNTEER BOARDS, AND THIS HAPPENS, AND WE ARE, WE ARE, BECAUSE WHAT HAS HAPPENED ULTIMATELY, COUNCIL, WE ARE GOING TO BRING ALL OF THIS IN HOUSE. WE ARE BASICALLY GOING TO, THIS IS GOING BE US, FOR THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS. SO FOR ME, AND GOING FORWARD ON A HOMELESS SHELTER, I AM JUST, I AM JUST PUTTING UP A RED FLAG HERE, THESE ARE HARD WATERS TO NAVIGATE AND THEY ARE GETTING HARDER BECAUSE OF RESTRICTIONS AND GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS AND QUALIFIED FOLKS TO RUN THEM, VERY HONESTLY. SO THAT IS MY ONLY COMMENT. I AM GOING SUPPORT THIS. WE NEED TO SUPPORT THIS. AND IT IS CRITICAL. IT IS CRITICAL THAT OUR CITIZENS HAVE THE SERVICES AND DONNA, I AM COUNTING ON YOU, AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL, DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO HELP THIS GO FORWARD. THANK YOU.

AND MS. CUSACK.

HOW DID YOU BEAT ME?

SHE IS QUICK, MAN, I TELL YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK THAT THIS IS CRITICAL AND IT INVOLVES ALL OF US, ALL OF VOLUSIA COUNTY AND ALL OF THE AGENCIES THAT PROVIDE ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE SO BADLY NEEDED NOT COMMUNITY AS IT RELATES TO TREATMENT BEDS AND MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES. SO, I THINK WINWARD, I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER REASON THEY ARE IN THE POSITION THEY ARE TODAY, THINK THEY HAVE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE DO NOT WANT TO DRASTICALLY ELIMINATE THEIR ABILITY TO SERVE. WE HAVE OTHER THINGS IN THE PIE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL HANDS ARE ON DECK AND WE ARE NOT EXCLUDING ANY PROVIDERS. AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I HOPE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH WINWARD AND SO THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO WORK AND PROVIDE THE SERVICES, I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE CITIZENS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY DISPLACED AND WITHOUT THESE VALUABLE AND NEEDED SERVICES. WE HAVE VETERANS, WE HAVE MOTHERS, EXPECTING MOTHERS, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED THE SERVICES AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM. AND I APPLAUD ALL OF YOUR WORK, DONNA, AND THE FOLKS THAT YOU ARE WORKING WITH TO MAKE THIS HALF. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

AND MR. PATTERSON.

IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, WE ARE JUST PASSING THIS PROPERTY STRAIGHT OVER TO STEWARD AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE HANDLING THE SERVICES FROM THEN ON OUT, CORRECT?

THEY ARE GOING TO BE HANDLING THE RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT SERVICES.

JUST THAT, ANYTHING ELSE [ INAUDIBLE - MULTIPLE SPEAKERS]

WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND BEFORE YOU VOTE, I DO NEED TO CORRECT SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE IDENTITY THAT WILL IS INCORRECT.

OKAY. --ITEM THAT IS INCORRECT.

OKAY, I JUST WANT TODAY CLARIFY. I WANTED--I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, IT IS JUST ONE ISSUE HERE.

OKAY.

OKAY. YOU NEED TO MAKE A CORRECTION?

I DO. IN THE FIRST SENTENCE ON THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS THAT THE BOARD HAS VOTED TO DISSOLVE THE AGENCY, THEY ARE WORKING ON LOOKING AT A NEW FOOTPRINT AND IF NOT, THE STEPS THEY NEED TO TAKE FROM THERE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE COMMUNITY THAT NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE AT THIS POINT THIS DISSOLVE.

OKAY, AND SO NOTED. ALL RIGHT, I SEE NO FURTHER. I WAS JUST GOING TO GO FOR THE VOTE. I AM CALLING FOR A QUESTION. OKAY. WELL, IT WAS NOT GOING ANY WHERE, I SAID NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE ARE MOVING ONTO ITEM THREE, WHICH WILL IS A MOTION MADE BY MR. PATTERSON, SECONDED BY MS. CUSACK SO APPROVE THE TREATMENT THAT SILTY ON NORTH--FACILITY ON NORTH STONE STREET FROM WINWARD TO THE STEWARD MARCHMAN BEHAVIORAL SERVICES, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR. YES, I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF A VOTE HERE, MS. DENYS. I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF A VOTE.

I WILL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR AFTER THE VOTE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. AND THAT WOULD BE 6-0, WHERE DID MR. DANIELS GO? HE WAS THERE A MOMENT AGO. DID ANYBODY SEE HIM?

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OKAY. MS. DENYS, I AM SORRY, WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS.

S THAT OKAY, MR. CHAIR. IT WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED MY VOTE ANY WAY. BECAUSE I AM VOTING TO SUPPORT, TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST. I GUESS, DONNA, MY QUESTION COMES TO YOU BECAUSE IN OUR CONVERSATIONS ON THIS, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, TALK TO ME ABOUT THE BOARD, WHAT IS GOING ON THERE?

THE BOARD IS STILL MEETING. THEY ARE MEETING EVERY TUESDAY, REGULARLY, TO MOVE THROUGH A PROCESS OF LOOKING AT ALL OF THE SERVICES. THERE IS A VA CONTRACT THAT IS NO LONGER GOING TO EXIST WITH WINWARD AND THE VA IS TAKING THEIR CLIENTS AND PLACING THEM IN OTHER AGENCIES SO THEY WILL NOT BE DISPLACED, JUST NOT SERVICES FROM WINWARD OR SMA. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THEM. THEY ARE HAVING AN AUDIT DONE BY LUTHERAN SERVICES AND THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE RESULTS OF THAT AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. THE COMMUNITY IS TRYING TO RALLY AROUND THEM AND YOU KNOW, WORK TO ASSIST IN TRYING TO SEE HOW SERVICES COULD BE PROVIDED IF THEY DECIDE THAT THEY NO LONGER CAN SUPPORT THE ORGANIZATION. AND IF THEY CAN, WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM STAYING IN BUSINESS.

IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE WAS A TRANSITION IN PROCESS. DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY, THEY ARE MEETING EVERY WEEK?

I BELIEVE THEY ARE MEETING EVERY WEEK.

OKAY, DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM STAFF AT THE MEETINGS?

AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT BEEN INVITED.

I WOULD SAY WE ARE INVITED. I MEAN, NOT FOR NOTHING. I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF INPUT OR AN UPDATE. THIS IS SERIOUS, THIS IS BIG, AND THIS WILL IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND, DEPENDING ON WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE. I KNOW YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO INTO THE WEEDS, MR. PATTERSON, BUT THIS HAS TINKLES ATTACHED TO IT. SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE WEEDS AND WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT PUBLICLY, I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVETOUS AT LEAST HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THERE, WE NEED SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.

YOU NEED TO REQUEST THEM TO ALLOW US TO BE AT THE MEETING, I AM SURE THEY WILL AGREE.

WE ARE REQUESTING, ACTUALLY, THE SPECIFIC MEETING--THE SPECIAL MEETING WITH THE FOLKS AND WE ARE ASKING SOME STATE EMPLOYEES TO COME DOWN AND MEET WITH US AND ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE WILLING SO THAT WE CAN TALK OUT SOME OF THE REALITIES OF THAT WHAT WHAT S HAPPENING IS WE AS A RULE--OF WHAT IS HAPPENING SO WE HAVE ALL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. WHAT IS LEFT RIGHT NOW AT WINWARD IS THE HOUSING PIECE, THE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. SO WE ARE AWARE OF THAT. AND JEFF IS IN HERE WITH US AS WELL, WE ARE ALL VERY, KEENLY AWARE THAT IT IS A BIG ISSUE.

AND I AM LOOKING AT THIS FROM SUPPORT SERVICES TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION, WE CAN STRENGTHEN THE SITUATION SO WE DO NOT HAVE ODD HEADLINES FORMING HERE THEN IT IS A GOOD THING. I WOULD RATHER BE PROACTIVE THAN E. COLI ACTIVE, YOU KNOW,--THAN REACTIVE, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD. SO HOWEVER YOU CAN HANDLE THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT, THANK YOU.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THAT ITEM IS CLOSED. AND WE WILL NOW GOING--NOW GO TO ITEM FOUR. DO YOU NEED TO START THIS ONE, JIM? I NEED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS A REQUEST THAT I HAVE GOTTEN FROM SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, SPECIALLY MS. DENYS AND MS. CUSACK, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT FACES US, THE COUNTY TENDS TO BE THE REAL FOCUS ON COMMUNITY SERVICES, WE TEND TO BE THE SAFETY NET ON A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE THAT WE ARE. WHAT I HAVE ASKED DONNA TO DO TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND GIVE YOU A SHORTCUT, CLIFF NOTES, IF YOU WOULD SAY, OF WHAT WE DO TO MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES. ALSO, THIS IS THE BASIS, AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I TICK POSITIONS AND SAY THINGS AND I HAVE A REASON WHY AND SOMETIMES I DO NOT ARTICULATE IT. IF YOU NOTICE, I HAVE SAID BEFORE, WHEN THE COUNCIL SAID THEY WOULD CONSIDER DOING A CAPITOL, IF THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ON THE HOMELESS, BUT YOU HEARD ME, THE COUNCIL SAY WE WILL NOT GET INTO THE OPERATING SIDE AND WE CANNOT AFFORD TO. PART OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE TODAY IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT. BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SO MANY RESPONSIBILITIES AND AS WE JUST NOTED HERE, IN THE EARLIER DISCUSSION, IT IS ON A FRAGILE CONCEPT. THE AGENCIES, GOD BLESS THEM, THEY DO GREAT WORK. BUT A LOT OF TIMES THEY RUN ON A SHOE STRING AND THE LEAST LITTLE THING, THEY GET A COLD AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, IT IS THE FLU AND THEY HAVE THE ORGANIZATION COLLAPSE AND WE ARE THE ONLY ONES LEFT IN SOME CASES TO PICK UP THE PIECES. SO WE HAVE TO WATCH THAT. AND WE HANDLE A LOT OF FUNDING. WE ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU KNOW, THE STATES AND THE FEDS SAY THEY WANT THINGS DONE, REALLY, THEY ARE SAYING WELL, HERE, COUNTY, WE WILL GIVE YOU SOME MONEY, YOU GET IT DONE. AND IN SOME CASES, WE ALSO USE GENERAL FUND MONEY. WE DO NOT GET ENOUGH CREDIT FOR THIS. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO SAY WE GAVE IT THE OFFICE. WE ARE THE ONLY ONES TO DO THIS. WE CANNOT TAKE ON ANOTHER ONGOING PROGRAM. THIS IS ALL OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE ALREADY TAKE ON. DONE THAT NCAA--DONNA? THANK YOU, SIR. --DONNA?

THANK YOU, SIR. SO WHEREVER POSSIBLE, WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU A TEN YEAR HISTORY. SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF SERVICES HERE TO THOSE THAT ARE HOMELESS, AT RISK OF HOMELESS, OR STRUGGLING WITH LOW INCOMES, FOOD, HOUSING, PERSPIRATIONS, HEALTH CARE, RENT, MORGAN, SHE WANTER RENOVATION, AND OPERATING EXPENSES FOR HOMELESS PROVIDERS. YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU A LIST OF THE SERVICES AND THE PROGRAMS UNDER WHICH THEY FALL AND I WILL BE USING THE ABBREVIATIONS BUT YOU WILL SEE HERE THAT WE HAVE THE SHELTER GRANT, THE COMMUNITY SERVICES BLOCK GRANT, LOW INCOME HEATING AND ENERGY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM. CHILDREN AND FAMILIES PROGRAM. A BLOCK GRANT AND SUMMER FOOD PROGRAM. SO UNDER OUR HOUSING PROGRAM, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW ACTIVITIES, THE HOUSING CHOICE, WHICH YOU KNOW AS SECTION EIGHT, [ INAUDIBLE ], WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OUR SECTION EIGHT PROGRAM BUT FOR A MUCH SHORTER TIME PERIOD. NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PROGRAM, WE BROUGHT THE HOMES AND THEN SOLD THEM BACK TO POWERPOINT HOMES. AND WE--BACK TO THEM. AND HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAM, WE GO IN AND MAKE IMPROVEMENT TOSS FOLKS HOMES SO THEY ARE LIVING IN A SAFE, CLEAN ENVIRONMENT. AND THE JAIL DIVERSION PROGRAM. AND REGULARLY, I WILL SAY IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER, BUT ON A REGULAR BASIS, THIS IS WHAT THE OFFICES USES TO LOOK LIKE. LINES OUT THE DOOR, PEOPLE WAITING, VERY DESPERATE FOR SERVICES. SO OVER $21 MILLION HAS BEEN SPENT ON SERVICES THROUGH GRANT FUNDS AND THE GENERAL FUND. IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, 10 MILLION DOLLARS. AND THIS YEAR W I HAVE BUDGET--THIS YEAR, WE HAVE BUDGETED $2.4 MILLION. YOU WILL SEE A PRETTY GRAPH THAT SHOW YOUS THE EXPENDITURES OVER THAT SAME TIME PERIOD. HOUSING, THIS IS A HOUSE BEFORE WE DID A PROJECT, FALLING DOWN, NOW THEY HAVE A NICE, SAFE HOME. NOTHING FANCY, BUT A NICE, SAFE HOME ON THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY. IN 2007, WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED, THE COUNCIL MADE AN INVESTMENT TO PROVIDE ALCOHOL, DRUG, AND MENTAL HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES VISES FOR VETERANS AND HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS. HOUSING SERVICES, $59 MILLION OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS FOR HOWING SERVICE. THAT IS BOTH RENTAL AN EVERYTHING. $27.07 FOR FIVE YEARS AND $7.7 MILLION FOR THE CURRENT YEAR. AGAIN, A PRETTY GRAPH THAT SHOWS YOU THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT PROVIDED THE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY. HOMELESS PREVENTION SERVICES, CLIENT EMERGENCY VISES. THIS IS HUGE. WE HAVE FOUR OFFICES, DELAND, DAYTONA BEACH, ORANGE CITY, AND NEW SMYRNA AND THEY PROVIDE SERVICES BROADER THAN THIS BUT IN PARTICULAR RENTAL AN UTILITY ASSISTANCE. OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS $7733. CURRENT YEAR, 608. THAT 608 IS NOT 608 INDIVIDUALS, IT IS 608 FAMILIES. IT MIGHT BE AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT MOST CASES, THIS IS A FAMILY THAT IS COMING AND GETTING ASSISTANCE. UTILITY CITY SUSTAINS IS GREATER. --ASSISTANCE IS GREATER. IF THEY DO NOT HAVE UTILITIES, MANY LEASES REQUIRE THAT YOU UTILITY BILL BE PAID IN RECORDER TO STAY IN YOUR HOME. SO IT IS SERIOUS--IN ORDER TO STAY IN YOUR HOME. SO IT IS CEASE YOUR FOR THE ELDERLY OR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES, THEY CANNOT RUN OXYGEN, MULTIPLE HEALTH ISSUES, IT IS REALLY A PROBLEM.

LET ME ADD, IF YOU THINK IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO GET SOMEBODY AND GET THEM BACK FROM HOMELESSNESS TO THERE, TO SOME KIND OF HOME. THINK ABOUT THE VALUE AND THE DOLLARS WE USE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BECOMING HOMELESS. THERE IS NO COMPARISON THAT THE DOLLARS SPENT TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS IS MONEY BETTER SPENT THAN TO TRY TO FELT GET THEM BACK. AND YOU CAN HELP A WHOLE LOT MORE PEOPLE WITH THE MONEY BY TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BECOMING HOMELESS. AND I DO THINK WE DO NOT GET KNICKERED FOR THAT BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE PROGRAMS WE RUN, IF YOU I HAVE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM NOW D NOT HAVE THE PROGRAMS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. BECAUSE THIS IS THE THING THAT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO A LOT OF FAMILIES. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT TAKE MUCH SOMETIMES FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A MISTAKE AND THEY ARE OUT. AND THEN ALL OF IT STARTS TO YOU KNOW, UNRAVEL, SPIRAL, AND THE PEOPLE LOSE JOBS. AND THE FAMILY HAS A LOT OF PROBLEMS. SO THESE ARE BIG EFFORTS ON OUR PART, AND I THINK IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST EFFICIENT WAYS TO USE MONEY TO HELP PEOPLE, IT IS TO KEEP THEM BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT IS JUST THAT FLUKE, THAT ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENS, THAT MEDICAL BILL THAT THEY CANNOT PAY. THE CAR BREAKS DOWN AND NOW THE WHOLE THING IS UNRAVELING ON THEM.

THE SUMMER FOOD PROGRAM, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WELL, HOW IS THAT PREVENTION? WELL, MANY TIMES FAMILIES ARE FORCE TODAY CHOOSE BETWEEN--FORCED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PAYING THEIR RENT AN UTILITY BILL AND FOOD. SO THE KIDS HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE TWO MEALS A DAY DURING THE SUMMER. THAT IS FOOD IN THEIR BELLIES, IF THEY CHOOSE TO EAT IT AND IT IS MONEY THAT THE PARENTS DO NOT HAVE TO SPEND ON FOOD. IN MANY CASES, THERE IS PROGRAMMING GOING ON. SO THAT IS 11,837 OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS OF KIDS THAT WERE SERVED. AND THEN WE GO INTO OTHER HOUSING PROGRAMS, PROJECTS COMPLETED, RENTAL ASSISTANCE. THAT IS THE SECTION HOME SHIP, ALL OF THOSE THAT FOCUS ON RENT ASSISTANCE AND THEN HOME BUYER ASSISTANCE, ALSO. 424 OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS AND 56 JUST THIS YEAR. HOUSING SERVICES, WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE WAITING FOR SERVICES THAT WE CANNOT GET TO BECAUSE EITHER THE FUNDING OR GETTING THROUGH THE SYSTEM, BUT 62 PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR HOUSING REHABILITATION SERVICES. THESE ARE PEOPLE, THEIR HOMES NEED ASSISTANCE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE, FOR SAFETY REASONS. 241 PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR RENTAL ASSISTANT SERVICES. AN AVERAGE OF 1800 FOLKS OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS WERE DENIED FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND 2300 FOR UTILITY PAYMENTS. AND MANY TIMES, THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE OVER THE THRESHOLD BUT SOMETIMES IT IS JUST BARELY OVER. AND THE AMOUNTS, THEY ARE PRETTY LOW. SO SOME FOLKS THAT REALLY WORK HARD, HERE IS SOME OF MY STAFF THAT IS OUT AT A COMMUNITY MEETING. THEY GO TO SHARE THE INFORMATION ANT THE SERVICE THAT--ABOUT THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. KIDS ARE GETTING FREE LUNCH. WE HAVE ACTUALLY BOUGHT TEACHINGER IS SITCATS BECAUSE SOMEBODY--TEACHING CERTIFICATES, WHERE WE GIVE PEOPLE A HAND UP AND THEY ARE REALLY PROUD OF THE SUCCESS THAT THEY HAVE MADE OF THEMSELVES. STABLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SAFE HOUSING. AND THEN HERE IS OUR FIVE YEAR EXPENDITURE FROM ALL OF THE HOMELESS PREVENTION. AND HOMEOWNER HOUSING. AND RENTAL HOUSING. NOW BEFORE I GO TO QUESTIONS, I WANT TO BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT AND MR. DENNIEEN WAS QUITE WONDERFUL IN ALLOWING KNOW DO SOMETHING SPECIAL AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE STANDING, SITTING BEHIND ME HERE AND THAT IS MY GREAT STAFF. SO I GET A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THIS DIVISION BUT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE IT HAPPEN. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT DEAL WITH THE CLIENTS, THAT HAVE TO TELL THEM NO, THAT EVERY DAY WORK REALLY HARD. SO I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THEM. ESPECIALLY MY MANAGER, WE HAVE ANOTHER MANAGER COMING ON BOARD AND THEN THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE STAFF STAND UP WITH THEM. AND I AM HOPING THAT YOU WILL JOIN ME. DIANA, PAT JAMES, OUR HUMAN SERVICES. PAT'S STAFF. AND DONNA CARTER, OUR NEXT EIGHT MANAGER AND I THINK HER STAFF IS THERE IN THE BACK. AND CHRISTINE IS DID NOT--AND CHRISTINE DID NOT STAND UP. SO PLEASE, IT ASK YOU TO THANK--I WOULD ASK YOU THANK THEM FOR WHAT THEY DO. [ APPLAUSE ]

DONNA?

YES, SIR.

IF I CAN ADD, YOU CAN SIT DOWN IF YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A CERTAIN FEEL FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO SEE SOME PEOPLE IN THE FRONT LINES AND SOME PEOPLE QUIET FRANKLY GET MORE ACCOLADES THAN OTHERS, OKAY? IT IS REALLY, IN A LOT OF CASES, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UNSEEN BEHIND THE SCENES THAT REALLY MAKE JUST AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE DIFFERENCE. I THINK THIS GROUP DOES DESERVE A SPECIAL ROUND OF APPLAUSE BECAUSE IT IS A WONDERFUL THING IF YOU ARE HELP SOMEBODY. THINK HOW TOUGH IT IS TO TURN SOMEBODY DOWN AND I THINK IT IS A LOT TO ASK OF AN EMPLOYEE, WHEN SOMEBODY IS JUST MAYBE DOES NOT MAKE IT, YOU HAVE TO TURN THEM DOWN AND IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW WHAT DEVASTATION IT COULD BE. YOU CAN REALLY HURT SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY KNOW NEEDS THE HELP. I THINK IT IS A DIFFICULT THING TO DO WITH. YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY, I HAVE NOT HAD TO DEAL WITH IT A LOT. I HAVE DONE SOME OF THIS, SOME OF THE AGENCIES I WORK WITH, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE TRYING TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT TURN THEM DOWN. IF I HAD MORE MONEY, IN ANY ONE PLACE THAT I COULD USE, IT WOULD BE IN THIS AREA. IF WE HAD MORE MONEY TO TAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH THE TEEM THAT COME IN--WITH THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND IN SOME CASES, WE ARE THE LAST CHANCE THEY HAVE. AND NOW WHEN YOU DO HELP SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW SOMETIMES IT REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE AND THAT IS THE GOOD PART. BUT THE STAFF ALSO HAS TO TELL PEOPLE NO AND I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR ALL OF THE GOOD THEY DO. THANKS.

QUESTIONS?

OH, THERE IS PLENTY OF QUESTIONS, I CAN SEE. MR. DANIELS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO LOOK SOMEONE IN THE EYE AND TELL THEM THAT YOU CANNOT HELP. I CAN NOT THINK ABOUT HAVING TO DO THAT MYSELF. IT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT. BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THAT, AND I WAS OUT OF THE ROOM FOR A WHILE, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, BUT I WAS WATCHING TELEVISION THE OTHER NIGHT AND ON CHANNEL 2, RARELY WATCH NETWORK BUT THERE WAS A RATHER LONG, ABOUT HALF AN HOUR PROGRAM ON THE HOMELESS PROGRAM IN CENTRAL FLORIDA. ORANGE COUNTY AND SOME OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES HAD BANDED TOGETHER AND THEY WERE DOING THE HOUSING FIRST DEAL. AND THEY HAD GOT AND LOT OF CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS, PARTICULARLY FROM THE HOSPITALS BECAUSE THE HOSPITALS SAW THEY WOULD SAVE MONEY. FLORIDA HOSPITAL WAS A BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO IT. YOU KNOW, IT WAS A PROGRAM THEY REALLY BELIEVED IN. THE IDEA THAT YOU GIVE THEM A HOUSE, YOU STABILIZE THEM AND THEN YOU START WORRYING ABOUT DRUG TREATMENT AND THAT KIND OF THING, IT IS A BIT DIFFERENT THAT THE MODEL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT. IF THERE IS A GOOD DEAL OF CORPORATE MONEY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE HOSPITALS, FROM OTHER GROUPS FOR THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM, IT MIGHT BE WORT LOOKING INTO--BE WORTH LOOK INTO.

ACTUAL--LOOK INTO.

ACTUALLY--LOOKING INTO.

ACTUALLY, DONNA KNOWS ABOUT THAT. THEY CAME UP WITH A LOT OF MONEY, YOU ARE RIGHT. IT IS A DIFFERENT THINKING, AND IN FACT, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE FEDS AND EVERYBODY HAVE MOVED MORE TOWARDS THAT.

YES, ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT THE FEDS WILL FUND, I THINK NOW.

RIGHT, BAAER BECAUSE THEY--RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE SHELTERING THING WORKS. BUT IT REQUIRES A LOT OF CAPITOL UP FRONT AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AGENCY TO RUN IT. IT IS A THINKING, BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE THINKING THAT DAYTONA BEACH HAS ENBARKED ON.

THE REASON WHY I THINK IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT, IF YOU CAN GET HELP TO PULL IT OFF, IT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, I THINK.

LET'S COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PROGRAM IS DOING AND FROM THAT, MAYBE WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANT TO INVESTIGATE THAT PATH. HOW DOES THAT SOUND? WE CAN COME BACK AND GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.

I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY LIKEST GET SOMETHING DONE--I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOMETHING DONE FOR THE HOMELESS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY, WE REALLY DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, I AM NOT LOOKING TO MUDDY THE WATERS ON THE SHELTER, THAT WOULD BE FINE, TOO. BUT THIS JUST SEEMS TO BE THE KIND OF THING THAT YOU CAN GET CORPORATE SPONSORS AND MONEY FOR THAT THEY BELIEVE IN IT. AND IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO GET IT KICKED OFF HERE, IT IS ANOTHER PART OF THE ANSWER.

WHAT I THINK YOU COULD DO IS, I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY WOULD HELP IF IT IS A PROGRAM, WE WOULD BE ON THE CAPITOL END. SO IF THEY WOULD GO DOWN TO PATH, THEN YOUR CAPITAL, INSTEAD OF BEING A SHELTER, IT COULD BE HOMES. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE NOT A FAR CRY FROM WHAT THE COUNCIL, I THINK HAS SAID, IT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE NOT ONLY WHO IS GOING TO GET THE MONEY, BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO RUN THE PROGRAM. AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE RUNNING THE SHELTER.

WHO RUNS IT IN CENTRAL FLORIDA?

WELL, THEY HAVE A NEW MEN'S SHELTER THAT THE HOMELESS COALITION RUNS. BUT I AM NOT SURE. I WOULD HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO RUNS THE HOMELESS FIRST.

AND MAYBE SEE IF YOU CAN SEE HOW IT ALL FITS TOGETHER.

WE HAVE SOME OF THE INFORMATION.

MAYBE IT TAKES DIFFERENT THINGS TO DO IT. BUT IF YOU WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO.

OKAY. MS. CUSACK.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO SAY TO DONNA AND TO ALL OF THE STAFF HERE THAT DEALS WITH COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE, THAT YOUR JOB IS ONE OF, IF NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT. BECAUSE YOU SEE PEOPLE IN THEIR MOST TIMES, AT THEIR WORST AND THAT ALL HOPE IS GONE. AND YOU ARE THE CONDUIT THAT MAKES IT HAPPEN FOR PEOPLE. AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WENT TO THE LEGISLATURE BASED ON HUMAN SERVICE ISSUES AND THE LACK THERE OF, BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU DO, AND I NOW HOW HARD YOU WORK AT TRYING TO HELP EARN THAT COMES INTO YOUR DOORS. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO ON A DAILY BASIS THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY. YOU ARE TO BE APPLAUDED TIME AND TIME AGAIN FOR WHAT YOU DO. NOW MY QUESTION TO YOU, WHAT IS THE WAITING TIME NOW FOR THEM TO BE SEEN IN WE TALKED ABOUT--SEEN? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WHERE ARE WE WITH MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE SEEN WITHIN THE TIME?

THERE ARE STILL WAITING TIMES BUT IT IS DEPEND ORANGE THE TIME OF THE YEAR AND THE TIME OF THE MONTH. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE EXACT TIMES. PROBABLY AND HOUR OR TWO. PROBABLY AND HOUR OR TWO.

WE WILL BRING THAT BACK.

WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE STRETCHED THIN. BUT WHEN YOU NEED HELP, AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD COME AND ASK THAT HE RECOLLECTS ARE THE FOLKS THAT--AND ASK, THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT MAKE IT HAPPEN UP HERE. WHEN YOU NEED HELP, YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW.

I WILL TELL YOU N ALL FAIRNESS, WHEN--TELL YOU, IN ALL FAIRNESS, THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY GIVE UP THE LAST OF YOUR MONEY TO HER FOR THIS PROGRAM. WE GOT SO DESPERATE THAT WHAT LITTLE MONEY THE COUNCIL HAD IN THEIR FUNDS, YOU ALL GAVE IT UP JUST TO FUND THIS. YOU DID. YOU DID. YOU

DID. IT IS GONE. IT IS GONE. BUT YOU DID PUT THE MONEY AND I THINK YOU REMEMBER, WE GOT REALLY DESPERATE IN THE DOWNTURN.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

MS. DENYS, THERE IS NO MORE DISCRETION THERE.

SO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANKS, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND THANK YOU FOR THIS REPORT. IT IS ONE THING THAT I SAY OVER, WHEN I TALKED TO THE MANAGER, ANOTHER ISSUE AT LUNCH. WE DO THIS WELL, IF WE HAVE A WEAKNESS HERE, DUO NOT TELL OUR TORIE WELL. --WE DO NOT TELL OUR STORY WELL. WHAT WE DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT, THIS IS, THIS IS A CONNECTION OR A CONNECTOR TO THE PIECE, HOPEFULLY WHAT WE DO HERE DOES NOT END TO HOMELESSNESS. SO HOPEFULLY WE ARE AVERTING SOME CRISIS AND WE ARE PROBABLY THE LAST HOPE FOR A LOT OF THE FOLKS. BUT WE ALSO PARTNER WITH THE CITIES, DO WE NOT, AND ALL OF THE PROGRAMS AND HABITAT, DO WE PARTNER WITH THEM?

WE DO NOT PARTNER WITH THE CITIES. BUT WE DO WITH HABITAT.

I WAS ACTUALLY SWINGING A HAMMER YESTERDAY, WE WERE BUILDING A DUPLEX AND TALKING WITH THE STAFF THERE AND TALK--WITH THE STAFF THERE AND TALKING WITH THE CITY, AND SOME OF THE HOMELESS ISSUES, THERE ARE A LOT OF SENIORS THAT ARE IN HOMES THAT NEED TO BE DESTROYED, LITTLE ALONE JUST FIXED UP--LET ALONE JUST FIXED UP: AND TO THAT, MR. DANIELS, I AM GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT HOUSING FIRST, I COULD NOT REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT BUT I HAD HEARD ABOUT THE CONCEPT. MR. MANAGER AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HOLDING A WORKSHOP TO WALK ABOUT THE HOMELESSISH IN A BROADER--HOMELESS ISSUE IN A BROADER SCALE, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DAY DOE THAT CONSULTANT POSITION, I AM TALKING ABOUT A HOLE LIST I CAN APPROACH AND ALL OF THE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE A PIECE OF THIS, TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT? I DO NOT THINK WE HAVE THE WHOLE PICTURE HERE.

I AGREE. HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM, YOUR PROBLEM IS THIS IS, THIS WHOLE THING IS WRAPPED AROUND THIS PROPOSAL, MY OPINION IS THAT WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT WHAT IS GOING TO PLAY OUT IS THEY ARE COMING TO THE END OF A DEAD END ROAD AND THEN THEY ARE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE WE NEED TO GO FROM HERE.

WELL, BUT THAT IS BESIDE THE POINT, WHERE THE PROPOSAL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, PANS OUT OR NOT, WE HAVE EXISTING AGENCIES AND SERVICES AND I BET YOU ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW MUCH THE COUNTY DOES TO FACILITATE LACK OF HOMELESSNESS AND KEEPING FOLKS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IN FACT, I AM GOING TO, I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HOLD A WORKSHOP TO TALK ABOUT THE HOMELESS ISSUE AND IN VERY BROAD TERMS AND BRING OTHER AGENCIES TO THE TABLE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY DO, AND TO SEE EXACTLY THE BASELINE, OR THE PULSE OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. AND WITH OR WITHOUT THE DOCTOR.

I THINK YOU ARE FACING, HERE IS THE ISSUE, WE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT DO ANYTHING. SO, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, LET'S GET REAL CLEAR, THE CITIES ARE NOT PARTICIPATING TO THE GREAT DEGREE IN SOCIAL SERVICES. SO THERE IS NOT AS MUCH FOR THEM TOED A. I AGREE WITH YOU IN TERMS OF WE COULD LOOK AT A WAY THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO. BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS BEING MISSED. I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION, MY ONLY POINT IS I THINK THAT THEY HAVE RALLIED PEOPLE ENOUGH AROUND THIS FOCUS THAT THAT NEEDS TO PLAY ITSELF OUT. BECAUSE WE KEEP WAITING FOR THAT TO PLAY IT OUT. WE TOLD THEM WHAT WE WOULD DO AND I HAVE HEARD NOTHING BACK. THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING.

BUT THIS IS STAND ALONE ISSUE, MR. DENNIEEN, VERY HONESTLY. WE HAVE AGENCIES, WE HAVE HALIFAX URBAN MINISTRIES, SEVERAL OTHER AGENCIES, I WOULD JUST REICH TO HEAR FROM THEM WHAT THEY DO WELL AND I THINK THE PICTURE THAT WE WOULD SEE WOULD BE VERY ENCOURAGING. WE HAVE NEVER DONE, HERE IS THE OTHER THING.

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING THE TAKE ON THE SERVICES. IT IS ONE THING IF YOU COULD DO IT AT A ROUND TABLE, THAT YOU COULD DO BECAUSE IT IS REALLY JUST A DISCUSSION PROCESS OF WHAT GOES ON. BUT I THINK THE WORKSHOP PROBLEM, I DO NOT WANT TO ARGUE, I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE LEADING THE DISCUSSION ON TAKING THIS ON.

NO, BUT HERE IS THE THING, AND MAYBE I AM WRONG. BUT I DO NOT THINK THERE HAS BEEN A GAP ANALYSIS DONE OF THE CURRENT SERVICES THAT ARE OUT THERE, WHERE THE WEAKNESSES ARE, WHERE IS THE UNDER SERVED POPULATION, WHAT DO WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN, AND THERE MAY BE SOME ANSWERS WITH THE AGENCIES FOR A COLLABORATION.

WE CAN LOOK TO THE AGENCIES BUT I THINK WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO FIND IS THE CITIES DO NOT SEE IT AS THEIR ISSUE. IF THERE IS A GAP, WHY DOESN'T THE COUNTY FILL IT. THAT IS THE IMPRESSION I GET.

I AM NOT TALKING CITIES. I AM TALKING AT THE NON PROFIT LEVEL, MR. DENNIEEN. MY MOTION IS ON THE TABLE. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR INPUT BUT MY MOTION IS STANDING.

OKAY, THAT IS MOTION STANDING ON THE TABLE THAT WILL REQUIRE A SECOND OR NOT.

I WILL SECOND IT.

OKAY, THAT IS SECOND. MOTION IS TO--OKAY, THERE IS A SECOND. WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE HOMELESS ISSUE. IS THERE A SESSION BY MR. LAWYER RICHARDSON DUMP--THERE IS A SECOND BY MR. LOWERY.

I APPRECIATE IT BUT I WILL NOT SUCH PORT IT. AND THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT UP THE HOMELESS SHELTER THE WAY I DID, WE NEED TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING. I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO. THE REASON I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE THE POSITION THAT WE TOOK, WE, AND JIM THIS GOES TO YOU AS WELL, THE REASON WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THEM, THEY THOUGHT WE WERE COMING WITH A FORMAL MEETING TO TAKE A POSITION. BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSION, WELL, THE COUNTY DIDN'T DO A RESOLUTION, SO THAT IS WHY THERE IS THAT--

I THINK WE COULD CLARIFY THAT.

BUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT, AND THIS IS WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE, THAT DISCUSSION, WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING AND THERE HAVE BEEN STUDIES AND WE KNOW THE PROBLEMS, THEY ARE JUST HARD TO FILL. I LIKED THE IDEA, AND I STOLE YOUR IDEA FROM A YEAR AND A HALF AGO,--

SO VOTE FOR IT.

WELL, NOT THE WORKSHOP. I AM EIGHT THE IDEA BEHIND--I AM SAYING THE IDEA BEHIND AND WHAT WE DID A FEW MEETINGS BACK, WE WILL PROVIDE THE LAND, AND THEN WE ARE OUT. THE REASON I LIKED IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE OUT OF IT. IF WE HAVE A WORKSHOP, WE ARE BACK. WE ARE BACK IN IT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT, BUT WE ARE BACK. AND WE, AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GO THERE BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE TRYING, AT LEAST I THOUGHT WAS TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR PART, WE NEED EVERYBODY TO STEP UP. BECAUSE THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO STEP UP, WE ARE GOING TO STEP UP, WE ARE GOING TO STEP UP. BUT I DIDN'T REALLY HERE OR SEE ANY AGREEMENT SO, THAT WAS THE IDEA WAS HEY, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS AND THIS. SO WHEN I CAME BACK TO THE COUNCIL, I KNEW THAT THAT YOU WOULD VOTE FOR IT.

SO YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR THAT? NO.

BUT THE POINT IS THAT IT GETS LAST BECAUSE I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS WE ARE ENGAGING IN TELLING THE CITIES WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. IF WE CONTINUE IN THE PATH, AND SHOW THEM THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT IT, HERE IS UP TO $4 MILLION, UP TO FIVE ACRES OF LAND, THERE IS NO COMING BACK. THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, YOU HAVE TO SHOW ALL OF THE THINGS, THERE IS NO REVERTER. WHAT IT DOES IS WE HAVE TALKED THE TALK. WE HAVE SAID WE HAVE DONE WHAT WHERE HE HAVE DONE. --WHAT WE HAVE DONE. WE ARE PUTTING THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE TO TALK THE TALK AND COME TO AGREEMENTS. IF WE CONTINUE IN THE KIND OF DISCUSSION ASPECT, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE GOING DO HAVE TO GET IT TOGETHER. I LIKED THE IDEA OF GETTING OUT OF IT. I LIKED TO STEP BACK AND SAY OKAY, DO YOU GUYS WANT TO STEP UP? DO IT. AND THAT IS WHY IF WE DO A WORKSHOP AND WE DO NOT TAKE THAT KIND OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THAT ROUTE OF JUST SAYING HERE IS WHAT WE WILL DO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

WELL, BUT YOU, AND I HEAR YOU, JOSH, I DO. BUT I GUESS I AM AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL, I AM LOOKING AT IT FROM WHERE ARE WE NOW? WHAT DOES THIS SNAPSHOT LOOK LIKE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY SEPARATE FROM A STAND ALONE, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DONE THAT GAP ANALYSIS AND MAYBE THE ROUND TABLE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS DOES NOT PASS THE VOTE, WHICH I AM SURE SINCE I GAVE JOSH HIS IDEA AND HE KNEW THAT I WOULD SUPPORT HIM, BUT WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

BUT YOU ARE SUPPORTING YOURSELF.

BUT IF IT DOES NOT PASS HERE, PERHAPS THE HOMELESS ROUND TABLE OR DISCUSSION THERE--

I CAN, HOW ABOUT THIS, IF, WOULD THE WAY TO DO THE $4 MILLION, WE PUT THAT? A LETTER OR RESOLUTION TO THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH?

I DO BELIEVE, IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT HURT, WE COULD DO SOMETHING MORE FORMAL AND SAY IT IS OUT THERE AND MAYBE THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM, THAT WE WERE NOT KIDDING. SO WE CAN HAVE YOU DO A RESOLUTION OR WHATEVER SAYING, AND WE CAN PUT IT ON THERE, IF YOU HAVE ALL THE THINGS DONE, IT IS OUT THERE. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT.

ONE OF THE THINGS TO ADD, WHICH I WOULD SUPPORT, IF YOU WANTED TO GO THIS WAY, ONE OF THE THINGS ABUSES, WHEN THEY HAVE THE CONTRACTS AND HAVING TO WORKSHOP, WOULD BE TO ANALYZE WHAT ORGANIZATIONS THEY ARE USING, WHY THEY ARE EYEWITNESS NEWSING THEM. IF WE LOOK AT IT--WHY THEY ARE USING THEM. BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN GET A SPECIFIC, OKAY IS [ INAUDIBLE ] INVOLVED. AND THEN YOU ARE ACTIVE LIP VOL YOU HAVED. I WOULD--ACTIVELY INVOLVED. I WOULD BE OKAY IF WE WERE DOING THAT. IT IS RATHER THAN THIS IS WHAT WE THINK YOU SHOULD DO.

MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.

YES, AND I THINK IT IS OKAY TO ADD AS ONE OF THE PRONGS, ONE OF THE YOU KNOW, THE ITEMS IN THE LETTER TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO ENGAGED AT THIS LEVEL BUT STILL PUT IT ON THEM. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL BUT IT IS THEIR MONEY IN THE OPERATING AS SECT OF THIS. --ASPECT OF THIS. SO IF THEY ARE THE RUNS PAYING FOR IT. WELL, IT DIDN'T WORK, IT IS YOUR FAULT. I DON'T WANT THAT ARGUMENT. I WANT, IT IS GOING WHERE GREAT, I WANT--IT IS GOING TO BE GREAT. I WANT THEM TO FEEL PRESSURED. THEY HAVE MONEY IN THE GAME. THERE IS A REASON THAT THE JAIL FILLS UP, THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE OVERNIGHTS. THERE IS IS A REASON FOR THAT. SOME CITIES PAY INTO THE JAIL AND THEN THERE ARE LESS PEOPLE IN THE JAIL. THE SAME THING WITH HOMELESSNESS. IF THEY ARE PAYING FIRST TIME, IT IS GOING TO WORK VERY WELL. BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR IT. IF WE ARE, IT IS JUST LIKE THE JAIL. SO, I WOULD SUPPORT IT IF YOUR MOTION IS TO TIE IT INTO THAT, THE LETTER, OR THE RESOLUTION, IF IT FITS FOR YOU FOR THAT. I WOULD DO THAT.

I UNDERSTAND. I AGREE WITH YOU, JOSH, AND I THINK IT IS JUST WISDOM AND ACCOUNTABILITY FROM OUR POSITION AS STEWARDS. BUT I AM NOT THINKING ON THE LEVEL, I AM THINKING OF THE EXISTING AGENCIES AND JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHO IS PROVIDING WHAT SERVICE. SO IT WAS MORE FOR INFORMATION THAN DIRECTION OR TO INCLUDE THE CITIES. I AM NOT LOOKING TO DO THAT. I AM NOT LOOKING TO SEE, IT IS JUST, I AM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A LOT MORE GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY, LIKE WHAT WE DO, THAN WE REALIZE.

NOW THAT WE CAN DO. NOW THAT, I THINK WE CAN HELP ORGANIZE AND WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING HERE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING BY SHOWING BEYOND US, HOW DOES IT ALL WORK.

THAT IS ALL I AM LOOKING FOR, IS INFORMATION.

I CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE DOING AND THEIR SHORTFALLS. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL TO EVERYONE. I CAN GET THAT DONE.

AND THEN MAYBE THROUGH THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT&T GAP AAL SIS AND--LOOK AT A GAP ANALYSIS AND I THINK THE PICTURES WILL UNFOLD GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE. THAT IS ALL I AM LOOKING FOR.

IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE THAT, I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]

WE DO NOT NEED A MOTION NOW. SO ARE YOU WILLING TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION OR LET THE MOTION STAND?

JUST DO IT DURING A NORMAL?

WELL, I WILL DO IT LIKE THIS IS UP DAY-TO-DAY. WE WILL TAKE A THING, WE WILL HAVE THE UPDATE AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE AGENCIES, QUITE FRANKLY, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL FOR THEM.

OKAY, SHOULD SHOW SOME COLLABORATION, I WITHDRAW MY MOTION.

ONE MOMENT. I HAVE WORK TO DO HERE. DOES THE SECOND WITHDRAW?

OKAY, THANK YOU. I AM SORRY.

OTHER THING, YOU MAY WANT TO DO IS WE COULD TIE IT TO ALSO THE $4 MILLION. IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING MORE FORMAL, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT. I WILL TRY TO BRING THAT FORWARD.

OKAY.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT.

MR. DANIELS?

PROBABLY NO LATER THAN THE SECOND MEETING, MAYBE JUNE.

ALL RIGHT, MR. DAN DANIEL---MR. DANIELS.

YOU HAVE TALKED IT OUT AND AM HAPPY WITH THE SOLUTION. I DIDN'T WANT TO BE RAINING ON THE CITY'S PARADE AND I DO NOT THINK IT DOES. I THINK IT IS SEPARATE FROM THAT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET A HANDLE ON WHERE EVERYBODY IS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE CONTINUING OF CARING FOR PEOPLE THAT DO NOT SEEM TO HAVE SHOWN MUCH EXCITEMENT FOR THE PROPOSAL. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY.

THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE OTHER AGENERAL--SALVATION ARMY FOR ONE. THAT IS A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE.

YELL, YOU KNOW,--WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THEM AND THEY ARE NOT ON BOARD FOR SOME REASON AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY WHY. YOU KNOW,--KNOW WHY. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT KIND OF THING BEFORE WE GET TOO MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. AND I WOULD NOT MIND SEEING US TAKE MORE OF A LEADERSHIP ROLL IN THIS. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE GETTING INTO. AND WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE GETTING INTO AND WHAT IT IS GOING TO COST IF WE WERE TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. BUT THAT IS DOWN THE ROAD, CERTAINLY. WE WOULD HAVE TO GET PAST MEETING WITH THE AGENCIES, KNOWING WHAT THEY DO AND THEIR PROBLEMS AND WHAT THEY SAW AS BEING THE ISSUES. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT AS A FIRST STEP AND KIND OF GO FROM THERE. THANK YOU.

YES, MR. PATTERSON.

I THINK YOU ARE GETTING READY TO GET YOURSELF INTO THE MIDDLE OF A HUGE FOOD FIGHT BETWEEN ALL OF THE AGENCIES. I KNOW THERE IS A GROUP THAT IS TALKING TO THE SALVATION ARMY, ALL OF THE LITTLE GROUPS OUT THERE THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER AND THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO GET US IN THERE TO PICK SIDES. I THINK IT IS SOMETHING TO DO A WORKSHOP OR DO ANYTHING WITH IS A BAD IDEA OUT THERE. WE HAVE SO A PROSE THE OUT THERE AND WE NEED TO BACK UP AND WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN. BUT I THINK YOU WILL HAVE TO GET THE OCEAN CENTER TO HAVE THIS MEETING.

WE COULD DO THAT. YES, WE COULD PROBABLY DO. YES, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MR. PATTERSON ON THIS ONE. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ARE IN SALES YOU DO YOUR SALES PITCH, YOU MAKE YOUR OFFER, THEN YOU SHUT UP, SIT BACK, AND THE NEXT ONE WHO MOVES LOUIS. SO WE--LOSES SO WE HAVE MADE THE OFFER, IT IS SOMEBODY ELSE'S TURN. TAG, YOU ARE IT, GO DO IT. AND WE MADE SOME GOOD OFFERS. ANY WAYS, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER?

THAT IS ALL, MR. CHAIR. AND THAT IS IT.

ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 25, THANK YOU VERY MUCH STAFF FOR COMING IN. WE DIDN'T NEED A RESOLUTION OR A VOTE OR ANYTHING ON THAT.

NOPE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS. AND THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK. ITEM 25 HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE CON ISN'T AGENDA--CONSENT AGENDA BY MS. DENYS. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MADAM.

YOU PULLED 25.

ITEM 25 HAS BEEN PULLED BY MS. DENYS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MADAM.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST, THIS IS GREAT, JUST FOR A CONVERSATION, I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM GOING ASK THE BOARD, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU WHAT I AM HEARING IN MY COMMUNITY, WHAT ABOUT PARKING. I WAS ACTUALLY AT SMYRNA DUNES PARK LAST WEEK AND SPECIFICALLY DROVE AROUND LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITYINGS TO EXPAND PARKING AND THEY ARE BETWEEN THE COAST GUARD AND NASA SATELLITE THAT THEY HAVE OVER THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DUNE, WE ARE BOXED IN AS FAR AS PARKING GOES DOWN THERE.

CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING REALLY FUNNY? I BROUGHT THIS UP WITHIN THREE YEARS AGO AND 30 SECONDS I HAD THREE E-MAILS READY TO COME AT ME, DO NOT TOUCH A SINGLE THING IN THAT PARK. I GUESS THERE ARE A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS. THE FIRST ONE WAS CLAY HENDERSON.

HE IS GOING TO E-MAIL YOU IN ABOUT 60 SECONDS.

I SUPPORT IT THOUGH, IS THE POINT.

PARKING IS AN ISSUE.

IT IS AN ISSUE NOW. WE IN FACT, WE ARE APPLYING FOR A GRANT TO CHANGE THE BOARD WALK.

AND THAT NEEDS IT BADLY.

YES, BADLY. PART OF THAT ECHO GRANT DOES LOOK AT TRYING TO EXPAND THAT PARKING LOT. WE CAN MAYBE GET SOME EDGE OF ROAD PARKING, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, SOME SHALE WHERE WE CAN MAYBE EXPAND THE EDGE ROAD PARKING LEADING INTO THAT FACILITY, PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE SPACE. THERE IS YES, A MANAGEMENT PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARKS THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. AND CERTAINLY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PROTECTED SPECIES IN THERE AS WELL.

AND THERE IS AN ACCESS ROAD, THE COAST GUARD IS HERE, THERE IS AN ACCESS ROAD INTO THE DUNES, I THINK IT IS NASA THAT HAS THE SATELLITE POSITIONED THERE, THAT COULD BE USED. BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK LONG TERM FOR THAT. AND YOU KNOW WHO USES IT THE MOST, JOSH, IT IS SURFERS, THAT IS A SURFER MECCA, LITERALLY DOWN THERE. AND FOR THE FOLKS WALKING THEIR DOGS IN THE MORNING AND THE EASTERNING. IT IS ALMOST--IN THE EVENING. IT IS ALMOST ATKA PACIFY ALL THE--AT CAPACITY ALL THE TIME.

THE COMMUNITY IS GROWING AND YOU HAVE THE ASSETS THAT COULD HANDLE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE ARE SO ANAL ABOUT EVERY ADDING AN EXTRA PARKING SPACE, WELL, SOME OF THE STUFF, YOU COULD MAKE CHANGES AND GIVE ACCESS TO THIS BAAER BUT WE ARE SO AFRAID TO TAKE DOWN ONE LITTLE THING WHEN YOU ARE DENYING PEOPLE A LOT OF USE AT WHAT A POPULATION IS GROWING. AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT IN SOME CASES, WE NEED TO BITE THE BULLET AND SQUARE OFF THE PARKING AND MAKE IT BETTER. BUT WE HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE IT WOULD NOT HURT THE ASSET VERY MUCH TOED A SOME PARKING AND YET, THESE THINGS WERE BUILT AT A TIME WHEN THE ASSET IS BIGGER THAN THE POPULATION CAN USE IT BECAUSE THEY CANNOT PARK. AND IT IS BECOMING A BIG PROBLEM. WHAT HATCHED IS WE HAD--WHAT HAPPENED IS WE HAD A FEW SPACES AND THINGS HAVE GROWN OVER AND NOW WE ARE AFRAID TO TRIM NEGLIGENCE WELL, WE ARE DENYING PEOPLE THE CHANCE TO USE SOME OF THE STUFF AND THAT IS THE TRUTH. AND JOSH IS RIGHT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MAKING ANY CHANGE, OH, NO, YOU CANNOT LET ANYMORE SPACES.

WE ARE A VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS, REALLY TO THE POINT, I HAVE HEARD, TAKE DOWN ALL OF THE BILLBOARDS THAT SAY THE BEACH, STOP THE ADVERTISING, JUST STOP IT ALL. OKAY AND IT WAS JUST FOR AN IMPORTANT OF INFORMATION. BUT--A POINT OF INFORMATION. BUT THANK YOU. I THINK WE CAN DO THE PARKING, IT IS APPRECIATED. THANK YOU.

YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.

MOVE APPROVAL.

I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND BY MR. WAGNER. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. 7-0. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE COMPLETED THE AGENDA. WE ARE MOVING ON DOWN HERE TO MS. CUSACK, ITEM 37 IS JUST FOR YOU. THERE IS--

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF LILIAN FOR THE SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA ADVERTISING AUTHORITY.

A NOMINATION FOR LILY SHELLER FOR THE SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA ADVERTISING AUTHORITY. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND DISTRICT ONE, THAT WOULD BE YOU, MR. PATTERSON. APPOINTMENTED TO THE WEST VOLUSIA TOURISM ADVERTISING AUTHORITY?

WELL, MR. CHAIR, I THINK, AND THE APPOINTMENT THAT I MADE WAS WALKER, WHO IS NOT IN THE LODGING INDUSTRY ANYMORE. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE HERE.

YES, SIR, YOU DO.

SO I MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE HER FROM THE BOARD.

OKAY, THERE IS A MOTION TO REMOVE ALYSSA WALKER FROM THE WEST SIDE VOLUSIA ADVERTISING AUTHORITY DUE TO THE FACT THAT SHE DOES NOT MEET REQUIREMENTS.

AND SHE NEVER ATTENDED A MEETING.

SHE WAS FIRED OR LEFT OR? ING.

SHE IS NOT IN THE LODGING INDUSTRY ANYMORE.

NO.

AND SHE MISSED ALL OF THE MEETINGS. I NEED A SECOND ON THAT.

THANK YOU, I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MATTER? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE REMOVAL, PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO CARRIED 7-0.

AND NOW I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO REPLACE HER WITH RICHARD RAWLINGS.

OKAY, A NOMINATION BY DISTRICT ONE, MR. PATTERSON, FOR RICHARD RAWLINGS TO THE WEST VOLUSIA TOURISM ADVERTISING AUTHORITY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. MR. ECKERT AND MR. HART GROVE, DOES THAT LEAVE US AN OPENING NOW, STILL ON THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE WE REMOVED ONE AND REPLACED ONE. OR WAS THIS--

THIS WAS THE SUBSTITUTION.

OKAY. OKAY. SO ALL OF THE ADVERTISING AUTHORITIES ARE FULL BOARD.

I BELIEVE SO, YES, SIR.

HALL LAY LU YEAH. --HALLELUIAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE, I KEEP SWITCHING THIS ANT. THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION WAS BEFORE AND NOW IT IS AFTER. WE KEEP SWITCHING IT AROUND.

I AM SORRYINGS IT IS MY FAULT, IT IS THE FORM THAT COMES UP AND I FORGOT TO CHANGE IT. WE ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE CLOSE. ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION NOW?

NO, SIR. THEN WE WILL CLOSE THAT SECTION. AND NOW TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MS. DENYS, DO YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS?

JUST ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT, I WENT TO A COMMUNITY METEOROLOGIST INCOME SOUTH WATERFRONT PARK--COMMUNITY MEETING IN SOUTH WATER FRONT PARK IN EDGEWATER, THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IT IS POZZABLE FOR SHORT--IF IT IS POSSIBLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THEIR AREA. I PROMISED THEM I WOULD BRING IT UP.

WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND REPORT. BUT THE--

DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU JUST OPENED? I AM IN.

BUT YOU CANNOT BRING IT BACK JUST FOR SOUTH WATERFRONT PARK. WE HAVE TO FIND A LARGER CLASSIFICATION.

WHY? COUNCIL HAS MADE ZONING EXCEPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT PARCELS HAVE WE NOT? FOR DIFFERENT ISSUES?

WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE AN EQUAL PROTECTION ISSUE. JUST TO DO IT ONE PLACE IN THE COUNTY--

LIKE THE BOAT RAMPS.

BOAT TRAILERS.

BOAT TRAILERS.

BECAUSE WE PUT SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.

I AM OPEN TO DO ALL OF BEACH SIDE. YOU JUST OPENED A HUGE CAN OF WORMS BE I AM AM--WORMS BUT I AM IN. THEY ARE THE NICEST HOUSES IN MY AREA, AND YOU CAN MAKE SURE TO FORCE THE BED TAX BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL ROGUE AND UNDER GROUND AND IT IS HARD TO GET THE BED TAX. IF YOU APPROVE THIS AND WHERE HAS HAD A PROCESS FOR IT, AS FAR AS REG STATION, WE WOULD HAVE AN EASIER TIME COLLECTING THE BED TAX. THAT IS MY PERSONAL OBSERVATION, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. [ INAUDIBLE - MULTIPLE SPEAKERS] THEY ARE ALL CALLING.

AND YOU SAID THAT YOU MADE A COMMITMENT TO BRING IT UP.

I DID.

YOUR COMMITMENT WAS PROBABLY TAKEN CARE OF WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT UP. [ LAUGHTER ]

TECHNICALLY.

SO--

OKAY. NO, NO MOTION. NO SECONDS. I THINK MR. DANIELS WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ONE.

NO, IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, JOSH WOULD HAVE [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] I WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN THE NORTH PENINSULA ALL OVER ME, IT IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS IT IS NOT IN THE CARDS.

SO WE CANNOT DISCRIMINATE?

NO.

THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE GREAT WORD, HOW ABOUT DEFINE?

I THICK --I THINK [ INAUDIBLE - MULTIPLE SPEAKERS]

IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DEFINE AN AREA, BUT TO PUT IT IN WITH JUST WITHIN ONE SUBDIVISION, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.

WHY?

AGAIN, YOU CANNOT, YOUR ZONING CODE IS NOT, THEY ENJOY, TO PUT IT JUST IN ONE PART OF ONE CLASSIFICATION, I THINK IT IS NOT, IT WOULD NOT STAND SCRUTINY, I THINK IT IS A VIOLATION OF THE PROTECTION.

OKAY, ALL RIGHT, SO GETTING NO SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL, I AM DONE, MR. CHAIR.

YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

YOU BROUGHT IT AND FULFILLED YOUR OBLIGATION AND YOU ACTUALLY GOT COMMENT. AND YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GET TO WEIGH IN ON IT BUT I THINK 25 YEARS AGO THERE WERE SOME SHORT TERM WREN DALLAS MAVERICKS AROUND HERE--RENTALS AROUND HERE, JUST RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARK THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. BUT THEY TORE THEM DOWN AND PUT CONDOS THERE. SO, JUST SAYING, THEY WERE HERE BEFORE.

THAT IS ALL, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU.

OKAY, MR. LOWERY.

JUST ONE REQUEST THAT THEY SUPPLY THE CHAIR WITH TWO CONTAINERS OF PRETZELS SINCE HE ATE MINE.

WAIT, WAIT. I HAVE THE BLUE TOP. I CAME IN, I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE AND I LOOK OVER THERE AND IN BETWEEN MR. DANIELS AND MR. LOWERY ARE THREE CONTAINERS, THREE WITH RED TOPS AND ONE BLUE TOP.

OKAY, I WITHDRAW MY REQUEST.

THANK YOU, REQUEST DENIED. I HAVE NOT HAD ANY ALL DAY UNTIL THE PAST HOUR. MR. PRESIDENTER SON?

NO,--MR. PATTERSON?

NO, I WAS THINKING ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS BUT I DECIDED NOT TO.

YOU ARE MAKING DANIEL ECKERT OVER THERE LAUGH, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING. ALL RIGHT, MR. WAGNER, OTHER THAN SHORT TERM RENTALS, ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE WITH?

DEB BROUGHT UP TWO THINGS THAT WILL LIT CALORIE CAUSE WARS, THE PARKING AND THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. BOTH OF WHICH I SUPPORT SO IT IS OKAY. JIM, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A FELLOW THAT CAME IN THIS MORNING ABOUT I GUESS A STATE GRANT TYPE SYSTEM CALLED PACE.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND THERE ARE ISSUES WITH IT. WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU. OKAY?

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. FINE WITH ME.

IT WAS MR. PATTERSON'S. AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO--

WERE YOU HERE THIS MORNING? I WILL GIVE YOU THE STUFF. HE HAD SOME GOOD QUESTIONS.

WELL, IT IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.

HE WAS ON THE COUNCIL THREE YEARS AGO.

SO ARE YOU READY DO MOVE IT FORWARD?

WELL, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DISCOURAGE THAT FOR THREE YEARS.

NO, THEY HAVE BEEN IGNORING ME FOR THREE YEARS. THAT IS HOW IT WORKS. WHEN DADDY NOT WANT TO--DADDY DOES NOT WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, HE DOES NOT.

BARBARA AT TPO EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE SHE IS THE CHAIR OF A GROUP THAT IS PROMOTING THE PACE PROGRAM. I HIKE THE PACE PROGRAM BECAUSE IT CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, WE SAW THIS WITH HOLLY HILL AND WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WITH ASSESSMENTS OR? ING AND SEE, THIS COULD BE ON THEIR LEAN AGAINST THEIR PROPERTY. AND I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND OUT IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.

THERE ARE SOME DOWNSIDES THAT COMPLICATE THAT. SO LET US TALK TO YOU OFFLINE. AND WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHY WE HAVE BEEN DELAYING.

[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]

THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

I GUESS THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN VERY FAR WITH ME AND THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE THE ROUNDS NOW. WHICH ONE IS IT?

[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]

WITH WHO? [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]

OH, YES, THEY CAME IN THIS MORNING. THEIR NAMES ARE ON THE RECORD WITH THEIR PHONE NUMBERS AND ADDRESSES IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTACT THEM. MR. WAGNER, YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR. MIKE ROY PHONE ON.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. --MICROPHONE ON.

SORRY ABOUT THAT: IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH, THEY WENT LAST NIGHT FOR THE ZONING AND THEY ARE LOOK GOING FORPARED--AND THEY ARE GOING FORWARD WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS.

THEY HAVE PUT IN A REQUEST WITH US AND THE PROBLEM WITH THEIR REQUEST IS, AND I AM WORKING ON THIS, FOR US TO CONSIDER IT, IF THIS IS WAY OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE DO FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND MY ISSUE WAS THEY HAVE GOT THE MAKE THE CASE ON WHY THIS IS DIFFERENT ON ANY OTHER MALL. YOU OPEN THAT BOX, WHY ARE YOU PAYING EVERYONE, WALGREENS AN EVERYONE. SO THE POINT IS, WE, FIRST OF ALL, WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF MONEY. BUT WE COULD NEVER GO DO THAT. --NEVER DO THAT. THEY HAVE MADE A CASE TO ME, THEY THINK THEY HAVE A REASON WHY IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT INTERNALLY IS WE HAVE ALL OF THE CRITERIA TO FOLLOW. SO YOU DO NOT START PLAYING GAMES WITH PEOPLE AND START PLAYING FAVORITES. WE DO BELIEVE THAT WHILE THIS, BECAUSE WE DO NOT GO AFTER RETAIL JOBS, WHAT MY STAFF AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT, BECAUSE THIS IS SO DIFFERENT, THAT IT ACTUALLY MAY LEND ITSELF TO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE IT MAKE SUCH A DIFFERENCE, CERTAIN JOBS AND CERTAIN ASSETS THAT YOU WOULD NOT GET, YOU ARE NOT TRADING THEM OFF, YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT BE PAYING PEOPLE TO BRING IT OVER HERE. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT, I HAVE TALK TODAY THEM ABOUT THIS, AND--I HAVE TALKED TO THEM AND I AM TRYING TO SEE IF THERE A CATEGORY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN OUR GROUP THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER THEM UNDER SO THAT YOU DO NOT SET A PRESS DENT THAT YOU DO--A PRECEDENT THAT YOU CANNOT LINCOLNTON WITH. THEY CAN DO TAX ABATEMENT AND WE CANNOT. SO WHAT I HAVE TOLD THEM, I FELT COMFORTABLE THAT UNLESS THE COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR THEIR REQUEST FORMALLY, THAT I WAS PLANNING ON TRYING TO TALK TO YOU AND SEE IF I COULD FIGURE OUT THE CATEGORY AND SO YOU COULD MAKE A DECISION. I WAS LOOKING AT, WELL, PROBABLY THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE.

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IF THE POLICY MAKES SENSE THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVE CERTAIN THINGS AND IT HAS TO BE BUSINESSES THAT WERE NOT IN THE COUNTY BEFORE. I'M WORKING ON SOMETHING AND I THINK WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE FOUND IN FOR US IT WAS A DIFFERENT CATEGORY AND THE THINGS THEY SHOW US AND THEY ARE NOT TARGETED INDUSTRY . SO OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WOULD CHECK OFF THE BLOCK THEM THAT THEY DON'T MEET. BUT THEY ARE MAKING THE ARGUMENT AND WE ARE NOT JUST A REGULAR MALL. I'VE STRUGGLED WITH IT DICK I DO BELIEVE NOW WE -- I WOULD RATHER YOU CONSIDER IT IN RELATION TO POLICY THAT YOU CAN DEFEND AND WITH.

I APPRECIATE THAT AND I LIKE HAVING POLICIES. IF THEY REALLY GOING TO GENERATE $51 MILLION IN PROPERTY TECH IT'S -- PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE COUNTY --

-- WHEN YOU START TALKING NUMBERS YOU CAN SEE WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THE PAVILION? YOU CAN'T GET AWAY FROM AND ALL THE ECONOMIC ABOUT THINGS THAT WE DO HAVE TO DO WITH THE TARGET -- THEY HAVE TO MAKE A WAGE OR AN INDUSTRY WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK THEIR ARGUMENT IS GOING TO BE THAT IT IS A DESTINATION AND IT IS TRANSFORMATIVE . AND THAT THEY MAY HAVE , FOR EXAMPLE, THEY MAY HAVE RETAILS THAT YOU WON'T GET ANY WHERE ELSE

YOU ARE NOT TRADING THEM WITH ANYONE ELSE. IF GRADED SOMETHING THAT IS TRANSFORMATIONAL AND THE DESTINATION THAT WOULD AFFECT TOURISM. IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE THE CASE, IF ANOTHER ONE OF THESE COMES ALONG, FINE, YOU SAID YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT. I THINK ON ITS FACE VALUE

OF RETAIL WITHOUT ME OF A STRATEGY, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DON'T TURN DOWN EVERYBODY. SO I TOLD THEM THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE AND BASED ON WHAT I'M NOW WORKING ON THEY SEEM SATISFIED. TALK TO JOHN OPERATE THE OTHER DAY .

OKAY. THANK YOU.

MR. DANIELS, YOU WANTED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT?

YES. ONE THING IS THAT THIS WOULD PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE I-95 LPGA INTERSECTION AND WHAT WE OF GOD IS WE'VE GOT ALL THESE INTERSECTIONS WITH INTERSTATES -- ALL THAT WE HAVE GOT IS INTERSECTIONS WITH HIM TO WITH INFRASTRUCTURE THEY DON'T HAVE ON THEM. THAT WOULD PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE GOING AND YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE. YOU KNOW THE CONSOLIDATED

-- REDEVELOPMENT IS HARD. DEVELOPMENT OF OPEN LAND IS A WHOLE LOT EASIER . ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE AND CONSOLIDATE TO MOCHA TO DO THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST, THE TYPE THAT JOHN ALBRIGHT IN PARTICULAR HAS SHOWN HE IS CAPABLE OF, WOULD BENEFIT ALL OF US BECAUSE THEIR TAX BASE WOULD GO UP AND OUR TAX BASE WOULD GO UP . THEY ARE A GOOD BET . SOME DEVELOPERS COME IN AND YOU THINK I DON'T THINK SO PERIOD BUT THAT'S NOT ALBRIGHT. HE IS ON TOP OF THINGS . HE'S GOT A PLAN LARGER THAN JUST THIS.

THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. IS A TRANSFORMATIONAL. HERE IS THE ISSUE. IF YOU ATTRACT SAM'S CLUB THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD INCENTIVIZE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE JOBS . YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS HERE IS THE OTHER THING I AM DEALING WITH. I'M GOING TO HAVE A REALLY LONG PROBABLY THAT YOU ARE MOST A HALF-DAY MANY BUDGET ON THE -- ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I'M BEING ASKED FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT TO WRITE DOWN AND PUT OUT MONEY AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT YOU SPEND AND WHAT -- AND WE SPEND A LOT WHEN YOU ADD UP SERIES. THERE IS NO MONEY SOURCE EXCEPT THAT I ASK YOU FOR THAT FUNDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I PAY ALL OF THE COSTS FOR ENTERPRISE -- ENTERPRISE FLORIDA. KNOWN ELSE WANTS TO DO THAT I WANTED THING IS I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU AT ALL BUT I WILL GIVE YOU PERFECT EXAMPLE. I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE , WE INVESTED $1.69 AND TRADER JOE'S. WE GOT OTHER MONEY FROM THE STATE BECAUSE WE PARLAYED . THE CITY CAME UP WITH 1.6. YOU KNOW HOW I GOT TO 1.6? THAT WAS EVERY DIME I HAD. IT WAS JUST ENOUGH WITH THERE 1.6 TOGETHER SO THEY HAVE TO GO INSIDE. NOW I WOULD ARGUE THAT SEE THAT INDUSTRY FIT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR WITH UTI AND THEY HAD SOME OTHER THINGS. THEN YOU SEE WHO THEY START TO ATTRACT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS I FIND IT INTERESTING TODAY THAT WHEN WE STARTED TO DO THAT THERE WERE SOME NAYSAYERS ABOUT WHY ARE YOU GIVING MONEY TO THESE PEOPLE. ALL I HEAR NOW WAS WHY DIDN'T WE DO THIS MORE OFTEN. I AM ALL FOR IT. IN FACT THIS WAS SO GOOD THAT NOBODY THINKS YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. IT WAS SO GOOD THAT NOBODY THINKS YOU DID IT. SOMEBODY ELSE MUST'VE DONE IT PERIOD BUT THE POINT IS THAT I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT MADE A DIFFERENCE. WE ONLY GOT THAT INDUSTRY BECAUSE WE HELPED WRITE DOWN THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU WHAT I NEED IS YOUR HELP TO DECIDE WHAT AM I GOING TO FUND THIS IT TO WHAT LEVEL AND OF GOT TO WATCH THE EXPECTATION WE CREATE . ONE THING I HAVE TO DEPEND ON AS I HAVE A POLICY TO FOLLOW SO THAT I CAN TELL THE REGULAR MALL OR WALGREENS THAT WE DON'T DO RETAIL WE DON'T DO RESIDENTIAL EITHER. WHAT LITTLE MONEY WE HAVE YOU ARE REALLY BIG -- REALLY PUTTING IT TOWARDS THE HIGH-END JOBS.

WHY DON'T WE SET STANDARDS LIKE WE DID TODAY.

YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF THEM NOW. THIS HOLE TRANSFORMATIONAL THING I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU WOULD BE SETTING A NEW STANDARD. LIKE DOUG SAID MAYBE ONE OF THOSE FACTORS IS DOES IT ENERGIZE A SPECIFIC PLACE WHERE WE WANT TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE AN INTERCHANGE? I DO THINK -- I AM AGREEING WITH YOU BUT I THINK WE NEED A POLICY AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE USE OUR MONEY WISELY BUT THE OTHER THING IS, GUYS, I NEED MONEY. AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING. IT DOESN'T HELP US IF I DON'T HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE AND I HAVE TO COME AND ASK YOU. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IF I ASK YOU, IT WILL KILL THE DEAL BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO IT PUBLICLY. LIKE TRADER JOE'S I WAS SWORN TO SECRECY BUT I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE THE 1.6 AND THE TREASURY SO I KNEW I HAD THE AMOUNT OF MONEY. I THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH FAITH IN ME AND I THINK I KNOW YOU WELL ENOUGH THAT I KNEW YOU WOULD AGREE WITH THAT INVESTMENT THAT BUT I DID NOT HAVE TO ASK GO AHEAD AND START THE DEAL. IF I DID NOT HAVE MONEY IN THE THE COUNT I WOULD HAVE TO COME TO YOU AND SAY I NEED 1,000,006. YOU'RE NOT BEEN APPROVE 1,000,006 BUT LET'S JUST GIVE JIM A MILLION SIX . HOW DO YOU WANT IT? IN 20S? UNMARKED? [ LAUGHTER ]. THE POINT IS I REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF MONEY WE HAVE AND IF YOU CAN MOVE SOME MONEY THERE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GET IT FROM BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE DEALS, AS YOU KNOW OUR PRIVATE. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO THAT PRIVACY WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THE DEAL.

JIM WHEN IT GETS TO BE MY TURN I'M GOING TO LIGHT A CANDLE -- CANDLE RATHER THAN ENCOURAGE THE DARKNESS.

OKAY. THANKS. I APPRECIATE THAT THAT. [ LAUGHTER ]

THAT WAS REALLY FUNNY. I THINK THE SITUATION FOR ME AND DOUG BROUGHT IT OUT. JOHN ALBRIGHT KEEPS DELIVERING .

HE DOES.

YOU ARE BIDDING ON A PERSON AND NOT NECESSARILY THE PROJECT BECAUSE THIS PERSON KEEPS DELIVERING THESE PROJECTS .

AND HE'S IN POSITION TO DO IT .

IF WE'RE GOING TO GET BEHIND STUFF --

HE'S A PROVEN COMMODITY . I WAS TALKING TO HIM A WHILE BACK AND I SAID HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS

AND LET ME TALK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THINK DEFINITELY KEEP HIM ON THE TABLE AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO KEEP HIS AREA, THAT HE IS WORKING ON, WHAT CAN WE DO AS A GOVERNMENT TO FACILITATE THAT GROWTH.

WILL LOOK AT THIS NEW POLICY . THIS NEW THING I'M COMING UP WITH GIVES YOU SOME LATITUDE. IS IT AND ADDED INTERCHANGE.

IT WAS A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE INTERCHANGE.

IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF OUR INTERCHANGES , WE HAVE NOTHING . BEFORE I-95 WE HAVE NOTHING. WE HAVE NO INFRASTRUCTURE NOTHING . AND YOU CAN RIDE FROM HERE TO NEW JERSEY AND WON'T FIND BLANK INTERCHANGES ON I-95 UNTIL VOLUSIA COUNTY AND THEN YOU COULD RIDE TALK TO MARTIN COMING.

WE WILL CONSIDER THEM OPPORTUNITY AREAS .

YES, GO AHEAD.

MISCUES THAT, ANY CLOSING COMMENTS?

NO, MR. CHAIR I HAVE NOTHING.

MR. DANIELS, NOW IT'S YOUR TURN ?

WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING A CANDLE AND A PERSON OF DARKNESS THE TRANSPORTATION ROUNDTABLE COMMITTEE -- WE HAVE KIND OF GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE GOTTEN A LIST OF PROJECTS FROM THE CITIES. YOU KNOW -- WE HAVE NO EXPERTISE IN EVALUATING ANYTHING. WE ARE TO THE POINT NOW WHERE WE JUST NEED

TO TURN IT OVER TO SOMEBODY WHO IS EXPERTISE TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER . REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THE LOCAL OPTIONS SALES TAX. IS THE COUNCIL REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT? MR. WAGNER INTRODUCE THE IDEA AND I THINK IT'S A HELL OF A GOOD ONE. I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER DOING . REALLY WE NEED SOMEBODY TO PUT TOGETHER, TO PULL THE PROJECTS TOGETHER AND THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT . WE HAVE THE ALL -- WE HAVE ALL THE INTERCHANGES ON I 94 AND I-95, WITH OUT ANY INFRASTRUCTURE WE COULD PUT SOME THERE. WE'VE GOT AN AIRPORT WITH NO INFRASTRUCTURE , NO ROADS IN. [ INDISCERNIBLE-LOW AUDIO ]

DELTONA IS A MESS . THEY COULD USE THE MONEY OVER THERE TO STRAIGHTEN OUT SOME OF THOSE ROADS AND CREATE A COMMERCIAL AREA. MAY BE IT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO DO BUT IT COULD START ROLLING THE BALL AND GET THINGS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BUT PARTICULARLY IN DAYTONA AND DELTONA THE TWO LARGEST CITIES ON INTERCHANGES AND THAT KIND OF THING. [ MULTIPLE SPEAKERS ] I COULD NOT HAVE EDGEWATER MORE ON MY MIND. [ LAUGHTER ] OAK HILL. I COULD NOT HAVE OAK HILL MORE ON MY MIND PICKED THAT TYPE OF THING PLUS VOTE AND GET IT OFF THE GENERAL FUND. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH SOME REAL BUT AT LEAST BE PREPARED FOR THAT. IF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN IT I THINK IT'S TIME WE GET THE EXPERTISE TO BEGIN TO PULL TOGETHER AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD AS YOU GET SOME EXPERTISE TO PUT TOGETHER AND YOU COME UP WITH A PACKAGE AND YOU GOT YOURSELF A CITIZEN COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEE THE COMMUNITY MOVE FORWARD AND CAN EVALUATE THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND MAKE SOME SORT OF SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT YOU WANT TO TWEAK HERE OR THERE. SOMEBODY FROM CONSOLIDATED . SOMEBODY FROM FORD FAMILY SOMETHING LIKE THAT THE KIND OF HAVE STAKE IN THINGS . COME UP WITH A PLAN AND A PACKAGE THAT YOU CAN TAKE PEOPLE AND SAY IF YOU DO THIS THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL GET. NOT THE QUITE -- NOT THE GREAT THING THE SEMINAL COUNTY DID. LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX MADE SEMINAL COUNTY ONE OF THE RICHEST IN FLORIDA BUT FOR GINA BELLUCCI'S PROPERTY I KNOW IT'S A LOT EASIER BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING IN THAT VEIN AND IF WE LOOK AT IT IN THAT VEIN AND IN THAT WAY THEN IF WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE AND INSTANCES LIKE THIS OR INSTANCES LIKE ONE DAYTONA WE HAVE AN INSTANCE OR SOURCE THAT WE COULD GO TO. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED. BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN IT ABOUT AS FAR AS WE CAN TAKE IT. THERE'S NOT MUCH ELSE FOR US TO DO. WHEN IT GOES ON THE BALLOT IS A FUNCTION OF WHEN THE PROGRAM GETS PUT TOGETHER .

MR. WAGNER HAD HIS [ INDISCERNIBLE-LOW AUDIO ]. WAS THAT ON PURPOSE? BE QUICK.

I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING IT FORWARD. IRONY HAVE BUSINESSES THAT ARE READY TO PUT TOGETHER A PACK AND GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT . WHEN IT COMES TO THE ELECTION THERE ARE POLITICAL THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER ON IN THE IDEA OF A PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION. THINGS WE CAN DO TO GET IT TO SELL. WE DON'T HAVE DEBT THAT DISCUSSION YET I THINK THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN GIVE IT A REALLY GOOD CHANCE TO PASS. ONE INITIATIVE THAT DOUGLAS TALKING ABOUT SINGLE-HANDEDLY WILL BE THE LARGEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THIS COMMUNITY WILL EVER MAKE. SINGLE-HANDEDLY. IT WILL CHANGE VOLUSIA COUNTY . YOU CAN'T AT THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS FOR THIS. THERE IS A REASON THE WAY VOLUSIA COUNTY IS THE WAY IT IS. THE BEST PART ABOUT IT, 40% OF THE MONEY ARE FROM TOURISTS. 40%. EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES AND THE PAIN THAT THESE BUSINESSES TAKE , NOW GRANTED THERE IS A SALES TAX SO SOME PEOPLE TAKE A BIG HIT BUT HE SUPPORTS IT BECAUSE HE RECOGNIZES WHAT IT WILL DO. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING A LOT OF STUFF BUT THE PEOPLE THAT IT WILL HELP ENGINEERS, THE ROAD COMPANIES. A LOT OF THEM ARE IN ITS FIRES POLITICALLY HELPING GET THE MESSAGE OUT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT MOVE AND SOMETHING OF A LEGACY AS A COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY IT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING WE CAN DO TO MOVE THIS COMMUNITY FORWARD.

MR. PATTERSON?

[ INDISCERNIBLE-LOW AUDIO ]

NO. DUCK, IS THIS JUST THE ROOT TRANSPORTATION RUN HAS IT GONE TO THE BIG GROUP FOR THEM TO SIGN ON TO IT?

THE TRANSPORTATION ROUNDTABLE IS NOT AN ORGANIZATION THAT VOTES IN TAKES POSITIONS THAT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE ISSUE PICKED THE VARIOUS CITIES HAVE COME UP WITH THERE PACKAGES AND THIS IS WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS TO GET THE PACKAGES FROM THE VARIOUS CITIES AND TO HAVE BOTH RAN -- RTL URAL ROADS AND SON REAL COME OFF THE TOP AND DIVIDE UP THE REST BUT RESISTED COMING UP WITH ANY SORT OF FORMULA FOR IT IS BASED UPON BANG FOR BUCK. WHERE THE ARTERIAL ROADS GO MAY AFFECT DRASTICALLY WHERE A CITY WANTS TO DO. IT MAY COMPLETELY RESHAPE WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR THEM TO DO. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT THAT IS EXTREMELY POPULAR IS BIKE TRAILS PICKING UP BIKE TRAILS THAT ACTUALLY GO SOMEPLACE SO THAT A STUDENT CAN GET ON THE BIKE TRAIL AND GO SOMEWHERE AND GET OUT TO THE SPRINGS WERE GET OVER TO DAYTONA BEACH . THAT KIND OF THING . OTHER PLACES HAVE REALLY INVESTED HEAVILY IN THEM BECAUSE YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE THEM AND THEY ARE TRYING TO ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. I SAID BEFORE THERE THEY'VE GOT THIS BRIDGE DEDICATED TO BIKE TRAILS FROM CLEARWATER TO ST. PETERSBURG .

I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS THIS IS THE SUBGROUP OF THE BIG GROUP, RIGHT? IS THE BIG GROUP ON BOARD WITH THIS?

SURE. ABSOLUTELY .

THAT WAS MY POINT .

THERE ON BOARD. WE DON'T TAKE VOTES ON ANYTHING. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING . IF YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM, LET US KNOW. NOBODY HAS RAISE THEIR HAND AND SAID THEY HAD A PROBLEM AND MOST ALL OF THE LARGE CITIES HAVE PROPOSALS. WORMAN, DELTONA, LAND, ALL OF THEM HAVE SENT US SOMETHING

WHICH IS A SHOW OF SUPPORT THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED . THAT'S IT. BUT -- LET ME FINISH UP. MR. DINEEN? HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THIS DONE? WE DO NEED PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE .

YOU EITHER NEED ONE OR TWO CONSULTANTS. I COULD ARGUE FOR SOMEONE LOCALLY THAT WOULD HELP THE CITIES, ALL OF US COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PACKAGE BARTERED BETWEEN US THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE SENSETHAT THE OTHER THING IS I THINK YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO HAS THE EXPERTISE THAT KNOWS HOW TO RUN THIS CAMPAIGN AND SOMEBODY THAT'S DONE IT. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST -- MAYBE I COULD DO THIS THROUGH THE MANAGERS TO FINE OUT THAT WE ALL AGREE THAT WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS . WHAT I WOULD SIT JUST IS WE PUT THE CHALLENGE OUT AND WE SAY TELL YOU WHAT, WE WILL PAY HALF IF THEY COME UP WITH THE OTHER HALF. BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT, WE WILL NOT BE DICTATING. BECAUSE WE EXPECT SON REAL AND [ INDISCERNIBLE ] OVER THE TOP. BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY IF THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO PLAY -- TO PAY SOME OF THE COST , IF THEY DIVIDED UP BETWEEN 16 IT WOULD BE THAT MUCH MUCH. WE CAN START DOWN THAT PATH BUT I DO THINK WE NEED OUTSIDE EXPERTISE . I THINK WE MIGHT TO AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO START THAT OFF AT THE MANAGERS BECAUSE THAT IS PROBABLY THE PLACE TO START THAT DISCUSSION .

I CAN START THAT DISCUSSION AND SEE IF THEY WANT TO -- IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO AGREE ON AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING .

WORK SOMETHING OUT.

IF I'M OKAY IF WE PUT UP HALF THE MONEY THAT WILL CATCH PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.

I'M MORE THAN HAPPY WITH THAT .

THAT OKAY WITH ME TO START THAT DISCUSSION?

I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT AND MAYBE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I THINK BASED ON THE BRIDGE AS FAR AS PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED -- MEHRAN GABBY WAS AWESOME.

HANDLING A VERY CONTENTIOUS GROUP, SHE WAS GREAT. THE SECOND PART IS THE START IS PARTNERING WITH THE CITIES I BELIEVE THE CITIES WILL BE A PARTNER WITH MY ONLY CONCERN IS THIS ISSUE WILL COME DOWN TO US DECIDING TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT. I WANT THEIR INPUT. THE IDEA CAME FROM ME MEETING WITH THREE OF THE WEST SIDE MIRRORS AND I JUST BROUGHT IT UP . IT TO WE DID STUFF THAT SOME LIKE THEM DIDN'T. IF WE ASK FOR HALF THE MONEY AND I FEEL LIKE WE MIGHT BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE OURSELVES OR ASK FOR SOME PRIVATE MONEY TO FUND SOME OF IT.

IF WERE GOING TO ASK FOR SOMETHING WE MIGHT AS WELL AS FOR HALF BUT IN A SENSE FOR DRIVING IT -- I AM OPEN FOR. THERE IS AN ARGUMENT FOR THEM HAVING SKIN IN THE GAME BUT I AM WITH MR. WAGNER. I JUST WANT TO GET IT DONE AND I DON'T CARE WHOSE CANDIDATES .

WHAT DO YOU THINK PICASSO BE?

NO REASON I SAID THAT IS I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL . HERE'S THE POINT. THEY'RE GOING TO THINK THEY HAVE OWNERSHIP SO WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO . THEY ARE GOING TO TELL THEM HE DOES WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS HIM TO DO. ONCE AGAIN THE COUNTY DICTATE .

YOU ARE RIGHT. WE WILL LEAVE IT WITH YOU.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT. I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE . I THINK WOULD BE THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THING WE EVER DID.

DOUG, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP .

ARE YOU NOW REALLY FINISHED?

WE COULD REVISIT THE BEACH ISSUE ISSUE.

NO. [ LAUGHTER ] IT'S ME. I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. GREAT MEETING TODAY AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT AND HELP AND WILL MOVE ON AND GET OUR THINGS DONE. YOU HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER IN YOUR HAND, AND NOW YOU HAVE TWO PIECES OF PAPER.

YOU SHOULD GET REALLY NERVOUS .

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THE PERSON CAME IN AND QUESTIONED THE FIRE FUND, AND TAMMY PUT TOGETHER THE CHART AND WE WILL SEND IT TO THAT INDIVIDUAL. CLEARLY I SAID WHAT I MEANT WAS THAT I CAN PROVE THAT WE ARE NOT READING THE FIRE FUND FOR YOU BACK. I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THIS PERSON GETS THIS INFORMATION AND SHE'S ALSO GOING TO TELL THIS PERSON AND IF NEED BE THEY CAN VERIFY THROUGH OUR AUDITORS. WE DID NOT -- THE FIRE FUND IS NOT SUBSIDIZING YOU BACK.

WOULD YOU FOR THAT TO COUNSEL ?

WILL DO. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THE CONSUL GAVE ME TO TIE TO PUT TOGETHER THE DEAL BEHIND THE SCENES

IN THE TERMS OF DEVELOPERS. APPRECIATE THE SPORT IN THE GUIDANCE. IT WAS INTERESTING. EVERYONE HAD A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE ATTEND COME TOGETHER ON THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEFEND ME TO MAKE IT WORK. THANK YOU. AND WHAT YOU DID TODAY AND HE WAS TRANSFORMABLE IN ITS OWN WAY .

MY COMMENT IS MORE MUNDANE . YOU'VE HEARD DISCUSSION TODAY EARLIER ABOUT THE FLUID STATUS OF THE DJ J ISSUE . ON THE 22ND OF APRIL THE ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE ENTERED A RULE AND ORDER WHICH INVALIDATED RULES THAT DJ J HAD PROPOSED . IF YOU READ THE ORDER AND IN REVIEWING THE ORDER THERE'S PARTS OF IT WOULD JUST SAY THAT IF DJ J WORK TO ADOPT A RULE -- WERE TO ADOPT A RULE LIKE THAT IT WOULD BE CONSTITUENT -- CONSISTENT WITH THE STATUTE. I THINK THE TIME TO APPEAL THAT WOULD BE LET ME 22ND . I'VE ASKED -- BY ME 22ND AND I'VE ASKED COUNSEL

-- BY THE 22ND OF MAY AND I'VE ASKED COUNSEL TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. IT'S AN UNUSUAL SITUATION WHERE THEY MAY HAVE TO ADOPT A RULE AND WE MAY BE CLOSED FROM ARGUING THOSE ISSUES. IN THE MEANTIME WE CONTINUE TO CHALLENGE THE MONTHLY BILLS THAT WE RECEIVE . PROCEDURALLY WE NEED TO DO SO TO PRESERVE OUR POSITION GIVEN WHAT THE LEGISLATION MAY BE DOING , I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE MOST LIKELY WILL BE APPEALING THAT ORDER . THAT'S ALL.

THAT'S NOT MUNDANE. MONEY. THAT'S IMPORTANT.

WITHOUT FURTHER ADO THEN OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE THE 21ST, IS THAT? , MR. GORMAN? I'M JUST GETTING 14 TO SEVEN .

MY PARTNER HERE SINCE YES.

MATT?

MY PARTNER HERE SINCE YES.

WE WILL BE -- WILL BE AN ADJOURNMENT UNTIL THE 21ST AND WE WILL SEE YOU A 30-AMP FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. [ EVENT CONCLUDED ]

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