And at that dad didn't say anything



ED-LILLIAN MEMORIES 1973

Mont Bishop:…And dad didn't say anything. [Old dad was something] He was so sick he could hardly stand up. And old Dean was propping him up, and he was just giving that guy hell

Ralph Bishop: What has uh, what was the problem?

Mont: He left his, uh, while he was drunk, he came and left his tools there. He came back and got them while he was drunk. And he came back when he was sober to get his tools, and they weren't there, he (inaudible) stealing his tools.

Ralph: Oh ya

Mont: And so he says to Matt (inaudible) He went and got hold of that [guy] and fixed his wagon.

Lewis: Give it to me, I'm-. (talking about microphone)

(someone speaks)

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[when will we start to eat]

Ralph: I don't know

Lewis: What should we do

Yvonne Bishop: Are you cooking hotdogs again.

Mont: I'll cook anything you'll bring. Family get together. (Yvonne: "well you can have a fire!") [Didn't they notify you about that in the letter]

Lewis: What, what is it…

Mont: Just a families bring-come gettin' together and bring their own food.

Lewis: And where do they meet?

Mont: [Here]

Lewis: Do they?

Mont: [Ya, that's why I'm] gettin' benches lined up. There's a [sluggard]. Didn't you get a letter on that?

Lewis: I don't remember. [If you did it] it's still rolling around. Did we get a letter? (laughs)

Mont: Well I hope you can, hope you can make it

(Yvonne talks with man, inaudible)

Yvonne: Oh were wasting [], I have to think

Mont: I got three of them

(brief inaudible conversation)

Lewis: About dad. Uh really is that uh he was so honest that he'd take the loss on a job if he thought something was right. And every time this happened mother would raise hell with him. And uh, dad would just kind of laugh and go. But uh, it would surprise you how many people in Sandy that dad did far more in the work than he was ever supposed to and he never charged for it.

Mont: That's right.

Ralph: One time uh, we were putting on uh, the roof and you know you build it piece by piece in those days. And we were putting on 2x6's, and I said "Dad, the plans call for 2x4's on these rafters. Why are you putting on 2x6's?" And he said "Well Ralph, I want this roof to stay up a long time, and I want it to be the best job I can do, and 2x6's do a better job than 2x4's. [] So I said "Are they paying you extra for the 2x6's?" And he said "No." They didn't even know what he was doing it that way. (gasp) He wanted a good job. In fact a [span] just a little too long 2x4's. And that's a good quality.

Mont: He used to hire old Hiley Campbell to paint for him when, and was drunk. And the guy-

(woman speaks)

Mont: Well I was just a little kid. I was just starting to work for dad, and uh, I'd drop and eat lunch with Campbell because he'd have some stories to tell that would curl your hair, (laugh)

Ralph: You outta work in the [days when old Taylor Humphrey] used to do cement work (laugh)

Yvonne: What happened?

Ralph: Oh they'd come drunk, Taylor and his boys, Dwane, and what was the other boy?

(man replies) They had uh one [lunger cement mixer] you know, and they had the only one in town and they'd never rent the mixer. You had to hire Taylor or someone to run the mixer. So he'd hire one of them to run the mixer. And they'd come drunk. Aaah they were hilarious.

Yvonne: How could they handle that?

Ralph: Well, all, one of dad's boys counted the shovels for the winning. (laugh)

Mont: There's an old guy that still does tiles, his name's Winner []. And uh he and his helper [would come stewed to the gills and let tiles]-I don't think they laid a tile if they were sober. They were always [half crocked…] Beautiful, beautiful job and they'd finish.

Ralph: Well plaster used to be-The plastern said "You had to be drunk to plaster." And [man in the same language as] plaster.

Gloria?: Now let's talk about dad. Not about drunk [hillbillies]. (laugh)

Ralph: Well one time dad was, uh he, he was accommodating and he didn't take any baloney. And, uh he was going down the street and uh in his Packard for which he dearly loved. And some high school kids passed him and they gave him a, flipped him the bird, as they went by. Now for you girls that's uh-

Reva: Please!

Ralph: Alright (laugh)

Mont: Everybody else knows [what that is]

Gloria?: All you have to do is say "made a bad sign." You don't have to go into all that detail (man laughs) [And you want to] explain it more.

Ralph: Well they also rolled the window down and called him some names. I guess he had been across the lane or something. And so he got mad. And he thought that they shouldn't do that to an old man. And he speeded up his car and he pulled them off to the side of the road just at about 33rd South. And uh, forced them to side of the road and got out. And when he got out he was a big man. And he looked big. You know, and he walked up to those guys and said "Alright you 'choice words'. Come on. Be the man you said you'd be and I'll take you on one and all."

Reva?: Was it kids?

Ralph: High school kids. And so when the guys stopped they saw this elderly fellow with white hair talking with high school kids, and they came running up to. And they asked "What's the matter?" And he told them. And they said "Well we're behind ya. Will take them. Come on." And those high school kids really []. (Laughter) These gentlemen around them were gonna gonna [tamper them], you know, gonna fix them up. And they apologized. And they sincerely apologized and got into the car and drove away. […Couldn't have] licked them because he was so sick. [But] he was angry.

Gloria: [I didn't know he'd] have the nerve to do that…

Ralph: Dad used to tell me a story that I always thought was interesting. When he was a young man he, his dad used to have a bail contract from [(inaudible name)] and they lived out there. Where; Out in west of [Hancock] on the border. At any rate, dad used to haul this mail occasionally. And he was big for his age. And he was about 14, and he was a pretty husky guy. And they'd stop at night at these little mining towns, and he didn't get paid much by his dad, so he had to make his own money. And so he would go into a saloon and say "I'm the toughest S.O.B in this whole building, I can lick any man here." And these old-

(6:47-Dad)

Now how old was he when he did that?

Fourteen or fifteen. (woman gasps) [And they] said "You can't." And he'd say "I bet you a dollar I can. I can lick you!" And they'd get all excited, and they'd get ready to fight, and he'd say "Alright, now just a minute" he said, "if it's a good fight and it's worth seeing then these guys outta pay for it. And the winner take all" (shocked laugh) [And so they'd said] "So each one of you guys put a dollar in the pot, and I'll fight this guy right here-

(laugh) Can you imagine that-

And the winner take all!" And he said "I didn't get it all the time, but I won my share of times. I'd fight until one of us gave up or knocked out, and then they'd take the money." And that's how he got his spending money.

When he worked a on a ranch in Nevada, he said that a they had a Chinese cook on the ranch. And a the kitchen was sacred to that cook. No one came into his kitchen. And he said he didn't know that, and he came in after working out a doing something, and he was gonna get something to eat. And he says that the cook chased him with a cleaver. And no one came in until they were called in to eat. And he said a he got around the cook a by joking with him or made friends with him in some way. And the cook said he needed a helper, so he got assigned as the cook's helper. And he said that they cooked for forty guys on this ranch. And he was the helper of this Chinese cook. But he'd go in there anytime he wanted after that [and eat what he'd want to since] he was part of the crew. But he made friends with that Chinese cook. And I forget now the things he told me they used to cook. you know-

Did he tell you about the man who used to get the cream all the time? One guy came in at supper time and he'd walk into the kitchen and would dip into the cream crop [crock]. [They kept in there the cream, they'd skim the cream off in the crock] and they'd make butter out it or whipped cream for cooking. And this guy would dip out 2 or 3 big spoons full. And they'd tell him to get out there, and he'd just laugh, you know. And so one day they saw him coming and they threw a rat in the cream.-

Aaahhh

(laugh) A dead rat they caught

That is sickening.

And dunked it down under you know. And that guy came in and started [coming and] spooning the cream into his mouth. And he bumped into something, and he (laugh) [saw] a dead rat. He said that was the last time they had to worry about anybody getting into the cream. The man threw up and ran out (laugh).

That makes me sick to just here it.

I can remember he was always a very loving man. He was always hugging mother bishop. Always. And one thing that impressed me when we were first going together, and I ate at their house. And how he would always say what a good meal it was. You know when he got through. I thought that was really nice.

Maybe I outta tell how he first impressed me when I first [met] him. That was in the fall of 1940. And Ralph brought me up into the farm house for Thanksgiving from BYU. And I remember dad sitting in that big old leather chair. The first time I ever saw him. He had his shoes and socks off and he had his legs propped up on that big old chair. And how his hair was when he'd come back from work. It was quite [wild looking]; it would stand right on end! Just like this (motion with hands). And at that time he was having tooth problems, and he only had a tooth here and there in his head. (man giggles) So when Ralph brought me he started to tease me, and here was this great big man with his hair standing on end and his bare feet and only with a few teeth, teasing me. And he just petrified me. Frightened the daylights out of me. (man laughs) Well I guess Lewis was the worst one. Oh (group laughs)

I didn't know your story was going to be told.

He scared the daylights out of me, I could of [] (group laughter)

[That's the way it works]

Oh what a teaser

Well I never had that. You know our kids get teased to death, you know, by brothers and sisters but neither one of us ever went through that.

Mother told me that one of the happy times of their life was that shortly after they were married, dad had a job delivering buggies in Southern Utah. Delta was the [veil] head and all the buggies would be delivered [to him]. And he'd get, he'd have maybe twenty buggies hooked together. And he and mother would get in the lead buggy with a team of horses and they'd start going down the road going through the whole county dropping off a buggy to this man or dropping off a buggy to that man. Spending maybe two weeks, sleeping out at night and cooking over the fire-

That'd be fun

Just having a good time together.

Did they have any children?

I don't know. I don't think they did. I think this is before the children came.

Well Lamont's quite a bit like his dad

Ya I'm six four. A little out of hair-

No your temperament is a lot like your dad. You're easy to get along with and yet you can blow a storm [] immediately, you know. (gasp laugh)

I don't remember losing my composure. (woman laughs)

[No, because] you were completely out of it at that time. That's why you don't remember. (women laugh)

And he always tells me what a good meal. It doesn't matter whether you have [Ritz with] peanut butter or [what it is]. It's "really a good meal."

Lewis, what's the first thing you remember about dad. (people keep talking) Stretch your memory way back.

First thing I remember about dad is um California and the depression of 1922.

22?

And we were living in Provo, and I remember it was pretty tough times. And I can remember my job was to go to the store and get the case of macaroni, and throw the case of macaroni home. And we ate macaroni; macaroni and cheese, macaroni and milk, macaroni and cheese, and macaroni and milk. And basically, he was sending all the money he made in California home to raise the family. And then I also remember when he was [in contract in Provo], and he rode his bicycle. He couldn't afford a car. He had a bicycle. and he would go out and check his jobs on his bicycle. And [that of course] was just before 1922.

Was he contracting then?

Yes. And of [course he went broke with all of the rest of the] contractors and that’s when we took the job at [Kennecott] and we moved to Bingham canyon. And as we was going to Bingham canyon I remember that he hired Layton Bishop to drive us to Bingham canyon in a Model 8 Ford. And we drove all day long from Provo to Bingham canyon. (gasp) And we got there in the middle of the night and woke up in the morning and just fenced in [you know] because of the mountains. We weren't used to that. And basically dad was about the same. [All was life;] he'd go to work, and come home. He was a good provider but he had uh, never was quite good enough for mother. but he was a good provider. He took care of the family and I don't ever remember any of us being hungry. We always had at least one pair of overalls a year.

Ya, I wore many of yours. You wore many Dean's and Dale's. (laughs)

Well I can remember-this is not about dad, but in high school, why, they had a prom where the guy who got the best suit first, was the one [who got to wear it to work] after the prom. ("oh")

Not only that, but he was also was good hearted about his brothers. Mother Bishop always told about how one or the other was always living with him.

Yes, ("for years") and she resented this. His mother would say "Ed you must hire your brothers because they can't get work elsewhere." And so he would hire Layton and Clark and Avery, when he really shouldn't.

Layton used to sleep in his closets.

Right.

And [] used to catch him.

How can you sleep in the closet?

Go in, close the door, ("stand up") go to sleep…

[…] on the job

Well you see dad [didn't] have any trouble [when [] went to work]. He had three or four jobs going. And he was riding his bike to job to job like Lewis said. And Layton was workin' for him and when he'd drive away from Layton's job [they'd a] go lie down and sleep. It a really made [mother] feel bad that he did this. But he was very generous. Dad would help anyone out.

When I was a little kid I could remember I loved to go to the store. StakeCash Brochure, Pennys in Midvale or any place like that on payday. Because if you wanted it, you got it, as long as mother didn't [clop] him one. (laughs) He'd say, "You need a knew coat?" You know, "Do you need a new pair of shoes? Do you need-What do you need?"

Buy it.

Buy it. And he always got some licorice when we went to the store. Those little hard ones that had the stamp in the end of it.

I know that when things were tough, and jobs were hard to come by, he'd come home with a ten pounds of Kipper Salmon. Do you remember that? We'd all sit down and eat Kipper Salmon. And it was probably one of the most expensive meat he could have bought, but he wanted Kipper salmon. So he'd bring Kipper salmon home. (laughs)

I can remember one year when they were building a Sandy Junior High School, the old Sandy Junior High School, dad was [floor man] on the job. Winter time they closed the job down at first frost. And so he came home and says "Well we got 150 dollars, and this has gotta last us all winter." Of course we had a peaches and everything off the farm. We went and bought a [ton] of flour, a great big can of lard. And raise-

Two cans of lard

Raised our own meat, and everything like that. But each one of the boys help []

Carrots, we ate carrots, and pineapple. He bought some pineapple. We ate carrots and pineapple all winter long for salad.

When the purchase was all through, he didn't have any money. But we lived that like kings that winter.

For a hundred and fifty dollars!

Donuts, we made donuts every Saturday.

Donuts [[] out of lard, you know]-

Can you imagine a hundred and fifty dollars [on that farm]

Well of course there's all the farm produce.

I paid a hundred and fifty dollars for your [].

I'll never forget the time when the old cellar, [we] had a thing like that, and I was helping him. And we were doing something []. He thought we'd get some kind of cellar. And I pulled the door and hit him on the back. (gasp) And [rocked the house]. I'd take two steps, he'd take one and he kicked me. (laughs)

You remember when we built a chicken coup?-("[He did it like that?! did he?]" (inaudible reply)) Oh ya. When he built a chicken coup he said "I want you to take this cement that's left over and run it from the foundation up to the plate and seal off that little crack under there. And a it was cold, and I was trying to do this, you know, how awkward it is for a young kid with a [trow]. And mother came out and said "It's supper time." And I said "Dad said to do this." And she said "Well you come and eat first, and then you can come back and finish your work, after you get some warm food in ya." So I put my chow down and I skipped in, you know, and I was in the middle of my soup, and dad came in and said, "You finish that job?" and I said "No." "Why didn't ya?" "Cause mother said to come in and eat." And he said "Who the hell do you think's the boss around here! That cement's gettin' hard while your sittin' here eating!" And I head for the door, and he caught me right at the doorstep with his foot (laughs) Shhh, I'll never forget that kick. Man he could lay it on when he wanted to.

He kicked me once when I was little, and after that I was moving fast…(laughs)

You know I met someone the other day that said that "Lewis was such a mild person in high school. He was the kind that was so nice to everybody."

Lewis was a good guy.

Oh I'm always that way.

And I said "you're talking about Lewis Bishop?" (laughter)

(inaudible woman)

And he had a nickname for you, what were-

Diggy. Diggy!

Yes, that's what he said!

(inaudible) Everyone calls me Diggy.

(inaudible) It was Robert Rann. Bob Rann

Oh Bob Ran. He went to school with me.

Oh, well, that's why Lewis is the only one that has his hair color. Your mom's bald and Ralph's white, and Lewis has ordinary-

Oh well these guys are older than I am.

(inaudible chatter)

And all because he was so kind and mild in high school.

I was the [meanest] little bugger that ever walked down the street. [But] I knew how to get by.

How did you get by?

Like all kids in high school. Why when we were Seniors in high school we got a [drinking some of that…on the junior prom]. And uh, (giggles) we started pulling the decorations down. So they took us and put us in the Sandy City jail. ("Oh")

You, and Vester Rasmuseen, and ("Clair Nelson") Clair Nelson. And uh

So they called up our parents and says "Hey your kids are in the Sandy City jail." (woman: "uh-oh") Now that was the principal's son and the clerks son and so on and so forth.

Ya and the Stake President's son

Ya the Stake President's son ("oh")

Well what happened is they called our folks up and says a, "Hey your boys were drinking at the prom and we had to put them in the jail. Come get 'em." They called my dad up and says "Your boy was drinking, [started tearing down the things at prom]" and says "Come get him out of jail." And he says "Leave 'em."

("Ahhhh" laughter)

And so I stayed, how long, all the rest of the day. (["All of ya?" "Ya"]) I stayed. I'll never forget that jail, you know that was-

A horrible jail.

Didn't have any mattress [on the dill] And a little window on the east.

Jail?!

Oh yes.

(inaudible)

Where are the (inaudible)

I didn't ever remember [him in jail]

You never went to it. That's why.

I just didn't know you had a record before I married ya. (laughter)

Well anyhow-I'll tell you this much; it taught me a lesson.

When I went to get married dad got a hold of me, and he said now "Ralph," he said "when you get married you expect to be a man, don't ya." And I said "yes"-(man talking)

"Will you take care of your wife." And I said "I sure do." He said "Well that's good because I'm not gonna do it for ya. (man talking in the back) And when you get married you're on your own. So just remember that."

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I'll tell ya, about dad, sometimes a thing wouldn't move into place like it should, and then he'd get a bigger hammer, you know. (laugh) We were building a house for Clark down in West Draper. And he was a nailing a-("Canchya get out?" woman talking to someone)

He was nailing a piece of wood onto the wall, on the hardwood. And then the stairs, it was a stair rail cut into it you know. And instead of drilling holes into the hard wood and using finished nails he started putting that up with some sixteen pennies. He was gonna set the heads, and then just fill the hole. And he said "I really [gonna make] it hang there; [got] a sixteen penny." Well sixteen penny was too heavy to go through that, it would bend. And after about four of them bent, they wouldn't want to come out. He got mad, and he used that [little] hammer and he really put them in there, just like a bunch of angle worms. (laughter)

What a (inaudible)

He set them right in. (laugh) And then he took some a plastic wood, and filled them up and sanded it and painted it and [varnished] it. And then Clark wouldn't accept it. And oh that made him mad. Oh he got so mad. He tore that thing off. But he was always a, he'd pick up a hammer and "Bang. Bang."

(woman talking)

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And uh we finished the floor ourselves. And then [] did everything. We painted the house, we finished the floors, and everything [] electrical work, and the heating work, furnace. And we finished the floors, and they didn't like him. And they'd come in and get down on their hands and knees and look along the floors, and say "There's a little [] there, there's a little one over there." So, before they'd [] him he had to do the floor a second time. And so he did the floor a second time and they still weren't happy. And he said "Oh." They said "Well we we don't think you're a floor man. We think you better have a floor man come in and do it." He said "I'll do that on the condition: when they say it's finished, you accept it." And they said "Okay." So they hired a man to come in and do it. And by now [] all over the floor because it was sanded down to the nails. (laugh and woman speaks) So they had to go in and set all those nails, and then they finished it and pronounced it [done]. And these people got down on their hands and knees. And it was worse than ours ever looked. And it was really a, and dad said "Good." (laughter and pause with chattering) Oh they were a headache…

When I was a building after he retired, school would start in the fall and you'd have [subs] you know who'd need to get into the house to do things. And so I'd go hire him for two bucks and hour, to go watch the subs.

What's a subs?

Sub contractors.

Sub Contractors. Like you were going to lay a fire place or something. Some of them I didn't trust, and we laid up all our tools in there. And uh, so I'd go pay him to watch. And I'll tell ya they did the job right while he watched. I stood outside the door and listened to him get after [them]. And I didn't have to use a whole lot of words for that guy to understand that wasn't right and he'd better take that two or three down and put something else back up that was right. He'd watch, and I used to think it was the best money I ever spent (woman laughs), [because] he'd watch that thing like a hawk.

That's what my mother remembers about him to [] before he passed away. He'd sit on the [] over in the front room where they were building, and watch those guys lay that fire place. She said she didn't even have to worry or even fit about it because he was watching everyone.

Oh good! Well I didn't know that.

He told me as a boy that they didn't have many, they didn't have many things to play with, you know, play things. And uh he and his brothers had a game they played against the hay stack. They'd a each take a stick, and run up and jump up and stick it in the haystack. And the next guy would stick his a little higher. And they'd see who could put their stick in the haystack the highest. And uh, then he said that no matter how high they got, they had a dog that could get back. [And he'd wait] and they'd say "Go" and he'd just run right up that haystack and grab [it and bring it back] (inaudible, woman: "Oh a dog would!") They couldn't put it higher than that dog could get. He was in the game too. When they got it as high as they could go then they'd set the dog at it. (mumbling "what kind of bird is that?")

You know [you used to tell here the story about how] he'd herd cows [] when he was a kid. And he said all he'd take out is a little [] frying pan, and hook it on their belt. And he had some matches and he said "You either just break the eggs and drink them," and put a little salt on them, or else they'd fry them. They'd make a fire and fry the bird eggs. Along that they could find along the way. But you could only do that so long. He said they get a little ripe with little birds in 'em. (disgusted expressions)

And then they'd a catch fish out of the river.

Did he tell you about the time that his brother was drownin' in the river? And they find him, his arm was sticking out, and they [] him, and they said he was just perfectly-

Which brother, Mont? I never heard that story.

I remember the guys name. He said that when they uncovered him he was just, you know just looked white.

He was in a sandbar.

He was in a sandbar on the river. He'd been lost for (woman speaks) two or three months or something like that before they found him. They uncovered him and they said he just was white and everything, and they said they went over to the wagon and came back and he was black. ("Ya") When the air got to him he just changed color.

What was his name? Which brother was he? Don't any of you know?

Last one I guess.

No

No, it wasn't the last one. It was one of them [that was up] about his age.

This is the first I've ever heard of that. And I can't remember him from the genealogy.

His name was Lewis. ("Was it?") Weren't you named after that brother?

I was named after a couple of weirdoes in our family- (woman "you were named after Lewis and Clark") [] Lamont. (men chattering) How they'd ever got those two [] I'll never figure out. (Man speculating "which was a…", Mont replies, strong group laughter) That's the only way that I've ever known that guy.

(Inaudible talk)

And he was the grandparent of...

Janet.

…On one side and James O Clark on the other side.

He was a grandparent of James O Clark?

No, no, that's where the Clark came from.

Oh that's a Clark.

See, I was born on both their birthdays. ("oh") And a, they wanted to call me James O, because my grandfather Clark was [named that]. But a Mark already had the names. They'd call me Lewis Clark.

I'd like to know that brother's name. I've never heard that story-

It's in there on [that] family sheet. Haven't you?

What's your other name?

I don't have one. They ran out of names when they got to me.

[] around.

[Any name would do] when I came along.

(woman talks)

[Well they made up a] weird one for me!

[] you were ("Did Ross have another name?") named after [Clairmon Mont]

Ya that's right.

(mixed chatter)

But uh, I wasn't named after anybody.

Did Ross have another name?

No.

We had two walkie talkies that we used when we were out ("What is that?" responding to a bird song) And uh Jerry has one and I had one [when we were in the office, and the [] would just call] And uh the kids will go by and go "Lamont calling Jerry. Lamont calling Jerry". (laugh) It's really funny. To see those kids go [].

Well one of the choice stories about dad is when he was going to entertain mom in his apartment when he was going to the LDS school to learn carpentry. And he and his roommate made a date with these two girls and mother was one of 'um.

Wasn't Grandpa holding in on this too?

I don't know-

I think he was the other []

Well he came up there with dad. He did he came up there

Well I, lets not include him. (strong group laughter)

That's not right because really he was a nice fellow

Fine, fine!-

And they did enjoy him

-But he's not in this story.

Okay

This is another-

But if he was there then he should be in the story

He wasn't in this story!

He wasn't there.

(Loftily) We removed him from this story!

I think he was (group laughter)

Any rate, he invited the girls-(woman talking) That's right! They invited these girls to have a chicken dinner. These guys didn't have any chickens and they didn't have any money. (laughs) They lived in the second story of a house and the person who owned the house had chickens in the back yard. They had their fishing equipment. (group laughter) So they put a piece of bread on a hook and lowered the line down, and the chicken swallowed the hook there. And she was all quackin' and flackin' all the way up to the top. But they were afraid that they'd here it. But it didn't they. And they got it up there and rung its neck and killed her. And then they picked her and cleaned her. And when the girls got there they said "Chicken dinner." And then when they got through eating eat they told them what they had done. (laugh)

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…Story about demon boos

About what?

Demon boos.

Who's that? Who's Demon Boos?

The devil boos.

Well dad went to a contractors party-a Christmas party, at the old [] (laughs) (Man humorously "Oh ya") And so, he'd come home (Woman: "It's gonna be a [good] one. I can tell.") and he was, he was pretty drunk. [Let's see], so we snuck him in the bathroom.

You guys did?

And uh. No-

Were you working then?

No. And uh he was [went up]-

Puking in the toilet, sittin' on the floor with his chin on the edge of the toilet like that.

And mother was getting all the younger kids to say "This is what boos does to you." (laughter)

Oh she was mad. She wouldn't help him.

Good for her!

She said "Puke away you pig." (strong laughter)

That's funny.

Well you know all the years that he smoked, you know he never smoked in the house. And I can remember I had his, most of his packages spotted. He'd leave them out in the coups, in the barn, and places like that. I was a little kid and I went to mother and said "What should I do about these cigarettes?" And she was all "Well when you find them just tear them up." Well I knew we had a whole carton in the car. And so I went out in the car, grabbed this carton. And she comes out and says, "But you mustn't touch those." (laughs) And I got it locked, and hung the key up, you know, because the old Chev you'd just turn it on, you didn't need a key. And I hung that thing up to see what [] would do, and I said "I was just playing in the car" ya know. (laugh) And mother looked up, just a, I thought she was splitting. At the time Stanley [] lived next to us, he had Osteomyelitis. And we had this can of oil. But you'd pull the trigger and it'd squirt oil, oh 20 feet. We had some nice slide oil in it like water. Guys would drive by and you'd just hold out your arm like that, and you'd just squirt it and just cover their windshield, you know with all this oil, you know. (woman makes comment, laugh) And then they'd turn on their-thinking it was water at first, they'd turn on their windshield washers, and [of course] it'd just cover the whole thing. (laugh) Well [] had crutches, and this guy was [drunk] stopped. He was mad. And he backs up, and I tell Stanley "Let's get out of here" you know. And I could run, but he couldn't go very fast on the crutches. And the guy got us. I didn't feel like I should leave him you know. Oh he gave us, he just gave us everything you can think of. And I walked in the back door, and I really felt pretty repentant, you know, I had done something terrible. And there was dad laying on the floor. He was laughing so hard, I thought he'd die. (giggles) He says "You won't squirt oil again in a hurry." (group laughter) He was just really thought that was funny…

He'd laugh and laugh. And that was the first time I'd ever seen him just lay on the floor. And mother was laughing but she was over, you know how she would put her hand over her mouth. (laughs)

He came in the house one night and said "Well" he said "You won't believe it but a we got some hay that's walking down the road all by itself." (laugh)

Some what?

Some hay. He says (laugh) "Well I looked out the window and there's a pile of hay, that someone with hands and feet down the road, Full all he could carry in a forklift, you know. And uh, when a car would come along, he'd drop it and hide behind a tree. (laughter) He says when the car passed, out would come this figure pick it up again. We'd watch that all the way down the parks, and turn into Parks driveway. He was going against the vapors.

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He says (inaudible)

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(laugh) He was always full of these jokes you know (inaudible)

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(laugh) After all these years, they still [colored] him. (laugh) Ahh, he was the loneliest man alive. [Turkey neck cancer]

Ya that became his name. They called him "Sid the Bitch".

One time, you remember that Coons kid that got killed down in coal mine

Who?

David Coons. He was a Ezra, Ezra Coons--was that his name? Ezra Coons older kid. He was my age. And they went down to work in the dream mine. The [did the…]; they [believed] in that. And they were working on the road, and a big rock would get loosened by the frost, and when the sun came out, it fell and hit him on the head and killed him. And this []. The Coons were in very poor shape. And a bunch of guys in church were talking about it. And dad was there. And they were saying "Isn't it too bad. I sure feel sorry for brother and sister Coons." And he said, "Oh guys how sorry do you feel? Do you feel five dollars sorry? Do you feel 10 dollars sorry? Do you feel 20 dollars sorry? Just how sorry do you feel about it?" And they all shut up and didn't say anymore. Then he and I went to the viewing in Coon's home before the funeral. And he walked up, brother Coons was standing outside the casket, and he shook hands with brother Coons. And a brother Coons looked in his hand, and he left him a five dollar bill. And [brother…] broke down and started to weep. And dad was just embarrassed; he wanted to give him money but didn't want people to know that he was getting it. That he was given it to him, see. And this was the way he did [many] things. He helped lots of people out that way and never said a word about it.

Now he got a job- things were tough when he first moved in the farm-and he got a job over in Union, chopping wood. And he had to walk from our farm over to Union, and chop wood for eight hours, and walk home, and he got a dollar for it. And he a, he came back and it was just a one day job. And he said "The man gave me two dollars. He said that 'anyone that could chop wood like you did all day long deserves more than a dollar'" And he said "I tried to work as hard as I could to keep warm." It was in the winter time just-

He told us he went up to a West High [who were hiring] during the Depression. And a, he went in to get a job, and the guy said, "No jobs available. Now we got every [carpenter] we need. We got a waiting list of guys." And he says "Okay." And he said he put his tools down and "got out my hammer", and the guy said "I told you there's no job." And he said "I know." And he worked for four days. And the guy finally came around and says "Anybody who'd work for four days," you know, "Even though he doesn't have a job." He says "We'll get you a job." And he worked. He was the last guy [out on] West High [doing] the finished work. (man: "Ya") Worked there for 18 months. He went for four days, just drove the guy nuts I guess till he gave him a job.

Do you ever remember the (woman talks) the story of Highcockalorum?

(laugh) I don't remember the story. I remember the phrase: Highcockalorum.

Highcockalorum was [descended to] Mount Ephraim. And a, I can't remember all [about it], but we used to sing that and say it. And mother'd get so angry. And I can remember dad and I laughing at that until I thought I'd die. "Without great absolution we'd all be burnt to death", but what was the rest of that Yvonne? Your mother used to get so put out. You got put out because she got put out. What was that, that Highcockalorum, was descended to Mt Ephraim.

Well I don't think it's anything great ta keep on your memories of it.

I thought that it was pretty funny.

Ah, he used to sing those Darkie songs too. You'd get him going sometimes and sing those a "Sam Beemer's dead kid […] and when Sam couldn't [] a solitary [hymn], it was an appetizer" or something, "He eats fried chickens for a meal, has a chicken salad for lunch. Never buys a solitary hymn, but he gets them by the bunch." He knew a whole string of old songs like that.

It'd be racist to sing a song like that today. (laugh)

Has anybody ever told about how he'd take his teeth out for all his grandkids. ("no") They loved it. That's what my kids remember about him, because they were all small and.

Ya, he was something else. He'd have those little heart attacks [] ton. He'd say "Just about gone last night. Had a bad one." Used to think he was joking, you know, when he had those heart attacks; he wasn't really serious. When I was in service, Beth wrote me this letter, you know. And I got the letter. And he was sure that he was dead. [chattering] When you got in the service, you know, you'd read it, and [] sure that he had about three days to live, you know. [] he had cancer. And the old Colonel says "Well, we'll fly a plane up. We have the old ground observer on board and we can fly up on it." He was very nice to me and I flew back commercial air so that it was on order. They paid for everything; the air force did, [because] we had a situation. I got home and found he was in pretty good shape. And after reading Beth's letter, you know, you thought he just wasn't going to make it at all. ("ya") Of course I'm sure that when she wrote it she felt very upset about the whole thing. And a, I don't know if [he ever even did know that] he had cancer. He used to take those pills.

He knew what they were for

That's funny. He went swimming down in the Saratoga once. And he took these [] pills to prevent the growth of cancer, and it made his chest grow like a woman's. And he was swimming and a man came and said "I'm sorry mister, you've either got to put a top on or wear a brazier. We can't have you swimming in this pool without it." And that made him so upset and dad got out of that pool and he never went swimming again. He said "that was too embarrassing." But it really bothered him. [We used to] make fun of it and kid about it [].

I remember when he bought the Packard. I was living home and he was told mother, he said "Now if I get the Packard" he says "I'll never ask for another car, long as I live. And he never did. He drove that thing till he died.

Ya he liked that car didn't he.

Ya that was a…

He bought a car once when we lived down on Sandy before we moved up on the farm. It’s a purple car with red wheels. (laugh) You remember that?

It was a Dodge.

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It was a Dodge!

A Dogde huh.

It had a wood top. And a cloth top, ya I remember that.

And he drove it out to Lark to show it off to him, and he had a flat on the way, and the [ring gear] went out, and it was towed back in and he never drove it again. It sat in the yard until we moved. And then he sold it to Oliver over in Union. And Oliver made (woman speaks) the wheels. Ya! He made a, put the wheels on the machine [so it'd run]. And so for years we would see our old Dodge driving around the valley.

Old pig []. We used to love to watch him come in on the farm. (woman speaks) He could shoot that pig in the head and dunk it and gut it and scrap the bristles off, and be gone in 10 minutes. (woman speaks)

I got to tell you one story, (woman "hot water") about [killin' the pigs].

I can remember it because I was there. (laughs)

About Daryl and Dean?

I don't know if I was there, but I can remember the story.

Well anyhow, dad told Daryl and Dean- they'd always get out of killin' the pigs, you know. They always hound up either May or Ralph or somebody. But they never would. He says "You twos've gotta kill these pigs." (laugh) So we all stood back and watched it and they got the water hot to dunk him, and then Daryl or Dean wanted to hit him, and they shot the gun two or three times. and dug it up and got up and got the pig down in. And it wasn't dead; they forgot to cut his throat. (laughter) Dad sat back there and laughed. (group sighs) But poor old Daryl and Dean, they wouldn't do anything like that, you know.

No, they didn't like a farm work very much.

I can remember you hitting the pig with an axe on the head right there.

Ya.

I had to go out- and we had to go do it anyhow. We ended up doin' it. But Daryl and Dean wouldn't do it. The pigs started squealin' and gone, and dad started laughin'. I had the guy with an axe, and pounded it on the head. If we got to cut its throat, [] just started cut.

(laugh) Oh who was it, Dean? Who went out to took the harness off the horse for lunch time. And he put the [] on upside down (strong laugh).

[He was gonna button it on front]. He couldn't get anything to work.

It just wouldn't fit so he had to go out and show him. Oh that was hilarious.

Well I think the worst was that a that ever happened, that I can ever remember, is that, of course when Mark got married and his wife had a couple of kids, and see they got pretty [wide]. And there's a guy by the name of Ralph and Ross that had a [caricle] sheep (male laughs), and they taught it how to bull fight. Well Mark and Jenny come home one Sunday, and she had on a red skirt. They used an old red thing, you know, and poor old [Jenny…pick up some because] here comes this thing. Bang! It knocked her down, she started squealing. Every time she'd get up and: Bom! That was [].

That was a funny old sheep wasn't it.

Now that I've heard of that sheep, I can remember, if you take a can and put some rocks at the bottom of it and shake it, he was oats. He'd chase you all over. And then he'd just like a bully goat, [you'd raise that thing and] he'd come at it. The only place you'd get away was running up on the cellar, up on the top, and hang on. He wouldn't get-

Ya that's right

He didn't climb

He couldn't, but he wouldn't. He'd just thought the game was over when you got up there. That was safety. I'd put on some oats in my pants in my pockets and I'd walk up to him and he'd smell 'em, and put his noise right in the pocket and [] up. He was a fun, fun animal.

Ya but he got dad to put him in the garage, I mean in the barn, and he started knocking the barn to pieces ("oh ya"), [that's] he did, you know. So dad was gonna show him who was boss and so he put him in the barn and started [bucking] to get the action on him. And as he'd hit, he'd hit the other side with the axe. Now dad was a big man and could hit hard. And that old sheep would shake its head and back up and back up and come to and: Boom! again.

He finally ended up putting the 2 x 10 all the way around inside the barn. I remember, where the sheep hit, ("ya") because he was knocking those boards all off. ("ya") But the 2 x 10 would take it.

That was a great a…I remember, I was very jealous of a kid called Kenneth Walker. Same grade and school I was in, but he was two years older. ("I remember Ken Walker") And dad used to have him chop up the limbs and stuff up there, and he paid. And used to really bother me because I thought I should chop the limbs and be paid. I can remember him taking me aside and putting his arm around me and saying "You're just not big enough to handle an axe yet." He said "Another year or so" he said "You'll be able to do all that" and he said "And I'll pay you when you're old enough to handle the axe." And he was right, I wasn't big enough to handle that axe. And Ken was.

But he wanted to help the Walkers too.

Ya they used to come over and [drop] all the melons in and a…

Were you living there when a, what's his name, one of those boys that one ended up in prison for, for-

(mutual) Butterfields.

No, the Clark bunch.

Oh, Ersel?

Ersel.

Ya I was there. ("oh boy") I've even hid when they were shooting the 22. You know the people who were outside. And they shot over in Grandma Stows house. And a, oh that was really a mess.

Ya they were evil.-

Nice name for [them].

How about the time, when I came and got you because they were gonna burn Calvin at the stake. (laughter)

I was worried there.-

That was a real neighborhood

I [thought] they really gonna burn [ol] Calvin. And Calvin went [to] Jordan after I got there, to West Jordan, in special ed. And from there to elementary school, at [Canyonville] elementary school.

Now what's he doing there.

I got the biggest kick out of, you know "Olkatowy" (woman laughs). You'd go down to the grocery store and talk to all those people there, and you told them "What did Kalamam meant?" And it meant something in Indian. He'd just a make up words that he said. One day he came in there and [that old] Butch Bradley was just really excited and said "I went in that cowboy show last night" and he said "One of those Indians said 'Olkatowy!'" And I knew just what he was saying (laugh). Dad came home and laughed about that. It was all make up.

Well how do you think he heard it then?

Well he told them he knew what Olkatowy meant you see. And he told them it's some common phrase. And so this guy was in this room and he thought heard him say, you know, "Olkatowy" (laughs)

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[If I could get you to] tell me, some of the things, the activities, which your daddy, my daddy, did with you kids before I came along. The way he showed his love. Tell me just some things about my father that I would enjoy hearing.

Well, my dad just a loved me, I know that, being the oldest child. He just loved me, and um he gave me a lot of attention. And when we lived out on the farm, a, Jenny and Mark and I were little. Why [he'd play it], he'd grab the [] and play it on top. We were just keeping this all in a pile as fast as he could, and we were screamin' and laughin' and having fun. And he had horse and buggy ran away. They came right down, and the buggy went over my ankle, and it was very painful, but it was [wonderful thing it did not] get on all of us.

Well, who horse and buggy was that?

That was daddy's buggy.

He was just standing nearby [and outside and it] ran.

Ran, yes, that's right. It was a one seated buggy, and maybe you'll want to hear this.

I do.

It was a one seated buggy. And when we went to see [granny], he would be driving, and I'd be in the middle, and mother would be on the seat holding Jenny. and mark would be on the outside, and the twins would be on the rubble seat. (laugh) And then when a every mile my mother had to stop to go see if the twins were alright. But we made it to Grandma's and back in a day, it took whole day to go there and to have dinner and to come back. From, that was from Delta to []; six miles. But it took all day to go there and have dinner and come back.

A tell me about, a, our father's work, when he ran away as a young man at work on a ranch. What do you know about that?

I don't know too much about that, except that a, well he a, they owned a farm and daddy was the…

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