UNCONFIRMED MINUTES



UNCONFIRMED MINUTESOCTOBER 18 – 21, 2010PITTSBURGH MARRIOT CITY CENTERPITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIAThese minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.TUESDAY, OCTOBER 19, 2010 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 21, 20101.0OPENING COMMENTS/INTRODUCTIONS – CLOSED1.1Call to Order / Quorum CheckThe Materials Testing Laboratories Task Group (MTLTG) was called to order at 8:04 a.m., 19-Oct-10.It was verified that only Subscriber Members were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.The MTLTG reviewed the Personal Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest.A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)NAMECOMPANY NAME*TimMyersHoneywell AerospaceVice-Chairperson*VerlWisehartRolls-Royce Corp.Chairperson*MurielAuzanneAirbus*WilliamBarnettBell Helicopter Textron*EricBillings309th Maintenance Wing-Hill AFB*PietroBonarrigoBombardier Inc.*GeorgesCosteSAFRAN Group*DougDeatonGE Aviation*GeorgeDoviakGoodrich Corporation*KevinElstonSpirit AeroSystems Inc.*Jim HartmanHoneywell AerospaceTimHayesGeneral Dynamics Corp.BobHensleyTriumph Actuation Systems*John KnieThe Boeing Company*FrankLennertThe Boeing CompanyJeremyPhillipsCessna Aircraft Co.*ChristianSchwamingerMTU Aero Engines GmbHArmenTalverdianThe Boeing Company*AmandaThomasRaytheon Co.*NeilTinsleyPratt & WhitneyMichaelWalkerSpirit AeroSystems Inc.Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)NAMECOMPANY NAME*FrankAndersonThe M&P Lab Inc.RichBalamutNSL Analytical Services Inc.*CorwynBergerExova Inc., Chicago LaboratoryRobertCaseyWyman-Gordon Forgings*JohnChirLatrobe Specialty Steel CompanyKevinCookATI Wah ChangMarkCookHaynes International Inc.JulienCoratoExova*DeenaCrossmoreIMR Test LabsRobinDavenportHowmet Castings Dover AlloyPrabirDebPeco Aerospace Fasteners Co. Inc.*EricDiratsDirats LaboratoriesRichDrinkerSPS Technologies*BryanEngelESCO Turbine Technologies-SyracuseDawnFechtelMetaltest Inc.KayFisherBohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co. KG*DeborahFrickSherry Laboratories of Indiana LLCDavidFluckHaynes International Inc.StephanieGrahamHaynes International Inc.StephanGreimersThyssen Krupp VDM GmbH*BrianGriffinHowmet Research Corp.KevinHollandNSL Central Testing LLCDonHuffmanLisi Aerospace TorranceStephenJohnsonGSC - Steel PlantAnilJoshiNSL Analytical Services Inc.StevenKeckCarpenter Technology Corp.DennisKiddCincinnati Testing Labs Inc.NatalieKoonHaynes International Inc.ChadKuhnAlcan Rolled Products-RavenswoodSelenaLindseyATI Wah Chang*JohnLowTimet*DavidLuoniSTORK-MMA Testing Laboratories Inc.LarryLyonsProduct Evaluation Systems Inc.*BlaineMakiMetaltest Inc.MikeMarkleyHaynes International Inc.GiuseppeMarzanoHaley Industries LtdWalterMooreheadProduct Evaluation Systems Inc.ChrisNapoliAllegheny Ludlum*AnnetteO’ConnellHaynes International Inc.*JacobPadrulAlcan Rhenalu - Issoire PlantJeffPayneATI Wah Chang*FrankPeszkaLaboratory Testing Inc.IoanPredaLisi Aerospace TorranceMichaelQuannPacific Metallurgical Inc.JamesRauckhorstTensile Testing Metallurgical LabMarkRichesonHaynes International Inc.*JamesRossiWestmoreland Mechanical TestingWilliamRubushHaynes International Inc.ChrisitanRuppelSpecial Metals Corp.*ByronSkillingsLadish ForgingJeffrySmithStork Herron Testing LaboratoriesLarrySomrackNSL Analytical Services Inc.MichaelSnyderSpecial Metals Corp.JohnThomasTimet*T. RaoTipirneniLong Island Testing Labs Inc.JenniferTretSherry Laboratories of Indiana LLCNatiaTurmanidzeMonadnock Co.*KevinVonScioPerryman Co.EdwardWarterCarmel-Forge LtdDavidWattersHuntington Alloys a Special Metals Co.TiffanyWaymerATI AllvacBryonWhiteSTORK-MMA Testing Laboratories Inc.*MargaretWillisAllvac MonroeJasonWrightMetals Technology Inc.FrankWorpenbergMar-Test, Inc.PRI Staff Present JenniferKornrumpfKevinWetzel1.2New Voting MembersJohn Knie of The Boeing Company was voted in as an Alternate Subscriber Voting MemberMotion made by Frank Lennert and seconded by Verl Wisehart to accept John Knie as an Alternate Subscriber Voting Member. Motion Passed.Amanda Thomas of Raytheon Co. was voted in as a Subscriber Voting Member. (Amanda will replace Barbara Waller as Raytheon Co. Subscriber voting member.) Motion made by Christian Schwaminger and seconded by Frank Lennert to accept Amanda Thomas as a Subscriber Voting Member. Motion Passed.2.0MEETING ISSUES – CLOSED Subscribers reviewed proposal to change AC7101/3; to remove certain test methods which were seldom used or 100% audited by Subscribers. Will be further discussed in Open meeting.Established a “MTL TG Question Sub-Team” per checklist for audit report reviewers questionDiscussed Proficiency Testing comments from Auditors relative to the AC7101/1 revision.Initiated discussion for Auditors to use AC7108/4. (From Muriel, possible MOU with Chemical Processing)Particle size analysis proposed to be added to AC7101/2. Verl Wisehart will lead this effort.3.0OPENING COMMENTS/INTRODUCTIONS – OPEN3.1New Voting MembersKevin VonScio of The Perryman Co. was voted in as a Supplier Voting Member.Motion made by Verl Wisehart and seconded by John Low to accept Kevin VonScio as a Supplier Voting Member. Motion Passed.T. Rao Tipirneni of Long Island Testing Labs Inc. was voted in as a Supplier Voting Member.Motion made by Doug Deaton and seconded by Neil Tinsley to accept T. Rao Tipirneni as a Supplier Voting Member. Motion Passed.3.2Approval of Previous Meeting MinutesMotion made by John Low, second by Christian Schwaminger to approve the minutes from the June 2010 Nadcap meeting. Motion Passed.4.0Nadcap TUTORIAL – OPENThe MTLTG reviewed a presentation given by Kevin Wetzel regarding the Nadcap Policies and Procedures.5.0MTL PROGRAM STATUS – NMC METRICS – OPENKevin Wetzel presented a summary of the recent audit activity. The MTLTG had zero lapsed accreditations for the months of August/September. For August RED metrics were identified for Supplier Initial and Reaccreditation cycle time, both cycle times were 36 days on a goal of 30 days. RED was identified for Staff Initial cycle time 17 days on a goal of 14 days. For September RED metrics were identified for Supplier Initial and Reaccreditation cycle time, 36/37 days respectively on a goal of 30 days. YELLOW was identified for Staff Initial cycle time 16 days on a goal of 14 days. Review the following attachments for more details. 6.0REVIEW ROLLING ACTION ITEM LIST (RAIL) – OPENThe RAIL captures action items and tracks the close out of these items. The majority of action items are from the meetings, with some coming from teleconferences and emails. The MTLTG reviewed all open action items on the RAIL. For specific details, please see the current Materials Testing Laboratories Rolling Action Item List posted at , under Public Documents. 7.0REVIEW MTL AUDITOR CONFERENCE CONDUCTED 2010 – OPENThe MTLTG reviewed the topics discussed during Auditor Conference, which included:Review of MTLTG Auditor AdvisoriesSub-Team Presentation on changes to the revised checklistsTop paragraphs referenced in NCR’sWelding TG Requirements of AC7110/13SElectrolytic Etching ASTME409 , ASTMA262Auditor access to industry specifications – IHS Standards ExpertISO/IEC17025 and how it differs from AS9100 8.0REVIEW STATUS MTL DOCUMENTS/AC – OPENAC7101/1 – Breakout session scheduled; completed comment resolution and Table 1 for RR/PT.AC7101/2 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/3 – Breakout session scheduled; completed comment resolution for the four sections of the checklist that were balloted. AC7101/4 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/5 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/6 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/7 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/8 – is in effect currently.AC7101/9 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/11 – is a stand-alone checklist, and is not connected to AC7101. The Checklist Sub-Team consisting of Doug Deaton, Frank Lennert, Christian Schwaminger, and Corwyn Berger will work on the audit criteria. 9.0MEETING ISSUES – OPEN Suppliers commented on auditor consistency between audits especially in relation to re-accreditation audits. The revised checklists should greatly improve this issue.Suppliers suggest need to improve communication of checklist sub-team rationale prior to balloting.For re-accreditation audits: Suppliers suggest spending less time on auditing “procedures” (just review changes) and more time doing “observation of test”. (extend the idea of the Initial/re-accred or better would be Type 1 or Type 2 audit where the questions vary between audit type [reference AC7101/1])Reviewed proposal to change the mechanical test checklist to remove some codes which were seldom used or 100% audited by Subscribers. Reviewed in sub-team for AC7101/3 revision.Discussed PT comments from auditors relative to AC7101/1 revision.MTL Auditor training was discussed.AGS presentation for PT programs in 2011.10.0SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE REPORT – OPENCorwyn Berger, MTLTG Representative to the Supplier Support Committee (SSC) presented an overview of the SSC and items of interest from the SSC meeting. For complete details, see the SSC Minutes posted on pri-. The MTLTG Suppliers discussed having a meeting of “suppliers only” to discuss item MTL issues. This was a result of the open meeting discussion held earlier. The meeting was scheduled for Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 5:00PM. Kevin Wetzel from PRI will attend.11.0REVIEW OUTPUT OF PLANNING & OPS MEETING – OPENVerl Wisehart presented an overview of the Planning & Ops Meeting. CHECKLIST SUB-TEAM WORKING SESSION – OPENAC7101/1 sub-team breakout session Vote 11-2 to break table 1 into PT and IRR frequency requirements.Motion to populate the frequencies from the existing Table 1 in AC7101/1 Rev C by John Thomas and seconded by Dennis Kidd. Accepted by MTLTG.ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel will post PT providers list to eAuditNet and remove from list from AC7101/1. (DUE DATE: 28-FEB-11)ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel will review NTGOP-001 Appendix II for impact of checklist revisions and IRR/PT changes, then submit to NMC for 14-Day Affirmation Ballot. (DUE DATE: 12-NOV-10)ACTION ITEM: The AC7101/1 Sub-team and Kevin Wetzel needs to define the procedure and/or process for control of recognized providers of PT. (DUE DATE: 28-FEB-11)ACTION ITEM: The AC7101/1 Sub-team and Kevin Wetzel to define mandatory and/or optional rules in Golden Rules. (DUE DATE: 28-FEB-11)13.0REVIEW STATUS MTL DOCUMENTS/AC – OPENAC7101/1 – The MTLTG supported a 14-Day Affirmation Ballot.ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to format AC7101/1 then submit to the MTLTG for a 14-Day Affirmation Ballot. (DUE DATE: 12-NOV-10)AC7101/2 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/3 – Comments were resolved for the four sections of the checklist that were balloted. Motion made by Doug Deaton and seconded by Christian Schwaminger to ballot AC7101/3 as a 21-Day Letter Ballot. No opposition from the MTLTG. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to format AC7101/3 from the 4 sections into 1 document and submit to the MTLTG for a 21-Day Letter Ballot. (DUE DATE: 30-NOV-10)AC7101/4 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/5 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/6 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/7 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/8 – is in effect currently.AC7101/9 – is ready for NMC ballot.AC7101/11 – is a stand-alone checklist, and is not connected to AC7101. The Checklist Sub-Team consisting of Doug Deaton, Frank Lennert, Christian Schwaminger, and Corwyn Berger will work on the audit criteria. Discussion: Is “creating” same as “clarifying” requirements? What to do if the spec isn’t clear? What about subscribers with differing requirements on same topic.14.0REVIEW ROLLING ACTION ITEM LIST (RAIL) – OPENThe MTLTG reviewed all Open Action Items. For specific details, please see the current Materials Testing Laboratories Rolling Action Item List posted at , under Public Documents. The RAIL will be posted November 15.15.0NEW BUSINESS - OPENCorwyn Berger reviewed the outcome of “Supplier Only” meeting. Reviewed the MOU between Heat Treating Task Group and MTLTG for AC7101/3 and AC7101/pleted the Nadcap Meeting Facilitation Feedback.Request to improve supplier participation in Auditor Training.Need to include Auditor Training/discussion time into agenda for Pittsburgh meeting.Request to improve “Open” meeting time.Request to improve document availability in breakout sessions.Need backup plans for network connectivity issues.Suppliers definitely prefer two North American meetings per year to increase participation.16.0FINALIZE FEBRUARY 2011 MEETING AGENDA – OPENThe MTLTG reviewed the NMC recommendation for February 2011 Nadcap Meeting Agenda at a Glance. Monday and Wednesday will be Open all day. Tuesday morning session will be a Closed session but the MTLTG will be back to an Open session after the lunch break. 17.0OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED17.1Call to Order / Quorum CheckIt was verified that only Subscriber Members were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting. Quorum was established.17.2Review of Personal Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest18.0SE DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – CLOSEDKevin Wetzel presented the Delegation Summary data for all Audit Report Reviewers. All four reviewers, (Kevin Wetzel, Jim Lewis, Joe Chivinsky & Jim Stokes) are currently delegated and continue to meet the requirements defined in NOP-003.Kevin Wetzel also requested all Subscriber Voting Members make an effort to review audits and give particular attention to audits handled by other Staff Engineers/Consultant Reviewers. Due to the limited number of audit report reviews those Staff Engineers/Consultant Reviewers perform, there is a risk of their oversight slipping below 10%. The lack of ballot participation by some Subscriber Voting Members was discussed. Everyone was encouraged to vote on audit packages regularly.19.0MOU DISCUSSIONS – CLOSEDThe MTLTG reviewed the draft MOUs developed between HTTG and MTLTG. The MTLTG accepted draft MOUs. The MTLTG Chairperson was given authority to sign agreements when the final document is provided. 20.0MEETING ISSUES – CLOSEDIncorrect supplier feedback on auditors was discussed. The feedback loop discussed, but nothing was resolved.NUCAP deviation presentation was made by John Barrett.Two deviations reviewed.Rolls Royce deviation request accepted by unanimous vote. 10-0Alenia deviation, TG requested more information. Vote 9-0.ADJOURNMENT – 21-Oct-10 – Meeting was adjourned at 5:25 p.m.Minutes Prepared by: Tim Myers, tim.myers@ ***** For PRI Staff use only: ******Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)YES* FORMCHECKBOX NO FORMCHECKBOX *If yes, the following information is required:Documents requiring revision:Who is responsible:Due date: ................
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