Volusia County, Florida



GOOD MORNING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THIS IS NOVEMBER 20, 2014. THIS IS THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. THE VOLUSIA COUNTY WELCOMES YOUR INVOLVEMENT AND PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS. YOU MAY SPEAK FOR 3 MINUTES DURING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THE COUNCIL DOES NOT ADDRESS QUESTIONS. ONCE AGAIN, GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR, MY FIRST PERSON UP THIS MORNING IS THOMAS ABRAHAM. WHERE ARE YOU? GOOD MORNING.

MR. ABRAHAM, THE SUBJECT MATTER THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT WILL BE ADDRESSED ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL. DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK NOW OR DURING THAT TIME?

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NOW.

OKAY. YOU WILL HAVE 3 MINUTES. STATE YOUR NAME.

19308 FLORIDA. GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL. FIRST OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE YOU THOSE COUNTY COUNCILMEMBERS WHO HAVE RETURNED TO THE COUNCIL. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AGAIN AND TODAY I AM GOING TO READ A STATEMENT FROM MY BOOK, A FAMOUS WRITER AND EXPERT IN -- IT'S ALL ABOUT TRUTH. TRUTH VERY SIMPLY STATED BOILS DOWN TO TWO TEST. STATEMENTS MADE MUST CORRESPOND TO REALITY. THE SYSTEM OF THOUGHT THAT IS DEVELOPED AS A RESULT MUST BE COHERENT. THE CORRESPONDENCE AND COHERENCE ARE MATTERS THAT AFFECT US. WHETHER IT'S POLITICS, GOVERNMENT MATTERS OR WHATEVER. THESE ARE MATTERS THAT AFFECT US. CITIZENS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. THEY ELECT YOU TO THIS COUNTY COUNCIL. THEY ARE THE BOSS WHO SHOULD BE LISTENED TO. RECENTLY I HAD, I READ SOMETHING IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL IS FRACTURES. IF YOU ARE I DEALING TO THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION AND IF YOU ARE COHERENT, THEN SOMETIMES IT IS NATURAL THAT YOU WILL BE FRACTURES BECAUSE YOU ARE REPRESENTING YOUR CITIZENS. LOOK AT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT. VERY OFTEN WE SEE -- THEY WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER. MY COMING THIS MORNING I AM SORRY THAT I AM MISSING A LOT OF COUNTY COUNCILMEMBERS HERE WHO PROBABLY TAKE IT FOR GRANTED NO CITIZENS WILL BE HERE AT 8:30. SOME OF US ARE HERE 15 OR 20 MINUTES EARLY BECAUSE THE REST OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND THEIR FRACTURED SITUATION. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR. MICHAEL PASTORI. WHILE MR. PASTORI IS COMING UP. IF YOU HAVE A CELLPHONE IF YOU CAN TURN THAT DOWN TO MUTE.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL PASTORI, I LIVE ON -- I'M ALSO REFERRED TO AS PASTOR MIKE. I'M GLAD TO BE HERE THIS MORNING. I HAVE A PASSION TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE VOLUSIA PROJECT. I'M 60 YEARS OLD. I FIRST CAME TO VOLUSIA COUNTY IN 1976 AND SAW THE LAND FROM A CANOPY ON FLAT LINE BOULEVARD AND I SAID I AM COMING BACK. IT IS A GREAT PLACE. I RAISED A FAMILY. MADE A PAYROLL FOR 10 YEARS. I HAD A NUMBER OF COMPUTER STORES AND HAD A MASSIVE HEART ATTACK IN 2007 AND BY THE GRACE OF GOD I GOT THROUGH THAT AND NOW MY MISSION IS TO HELP THOSE LESS FORTUNATE THAN MYSELF. THE REASON I WANT TO TALK TO YOU THIS MORNING IS THAT I HAVE BEEN LOBBYING FOR THE LAST YEAR. THE LAST YEAR I HAVE LIVED ON THE STREETS AS A HOMELESS PERSON TO LEARN ABOUT THE PROBLEM AND I GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE. MY BIBLE SAYS IF YOU BECOME WEAK, YOU CAN BECOME THE WEAK AND SAVE SOME OF THEM. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN CALLED TO DO. I WOULD RATHER NOT GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS AND I WOULD TRY TO GO WITH MY FAITH PARTNERS AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN BUT UNFORTUNATELY I'M WORKING WITH MY COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO GET LAND AND BUILD THINGS AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. I'M UPSET BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE A PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE THAT IS GETTING SHORT. I BELIEVE THERE IS A HIGHER STUDIER TO STUDY MAYBE PERCEIVED AS DELAY INTACT PARTICULAR. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE, BUT SOMEONE ONCE SAID IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK AND SWIMS AND QUACKS LIKE A DUCK IT'S A DUCK. SO PLEASE, LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE TABLE, LET'S BRING IT TO A VOTE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THE PEOPLE THAT I MINISTER TO THE STREETS HANDING OUT BLANKETS AND I HAVE 10 GALLONS OF HOT CHICKEN NOODLE SOUP. I WOKE UP THIS MORNING AND IT'S 44 DEGREES. WE DON'T HAVE A SHELTER UNTIL THE TEMPERATURE DROPS BELOW 40. I SUBMIT TO YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THAT 44 DEGREES WITH 45 MILES AN HOUR WIND IS PRETTY UNCOMFORTABLE IF YOU ARE LAYING ON CONCRETE. LET'S GET TO THESE DIFFERENCE AND COME UNITED AND BRING THIS TO A VOTE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A NEW PERSON HERE, MR. MORTON CULLIG AN. GOOD MORNING.

FOR THE RECORD SIR. , YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

IT'S THE SAME AS ALWAYS.

YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES.

ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THE FACT THAT OUR PRESIDENT AND SENATOR BILL NELSON ALL CONDEMN THE BE HEADING AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE NOT SAVAGES. THEY DON'T DO STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY USE MISSILES TO BLOW THEIR HEADS OFF. THEY USE B 2 BOMBERS AND ON AND ON. THE UNITED STATES MILITARY UNDER ORDERS HAS SLAUGHTERED MANY PEOPLE, SOME IS MAY HAVE DESERVED IT, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF INDEPENDENT PEOPLE. WE ARE A VIOLENT NATION. WE OCCUPY SO MANY NATIONS, WE START WARS BECAUSE WE CAN. IT'S NOT THE FAULT UNDER THE AMERICAN MILITARY, THEY ARE UNDER ORDERS. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, LOOK AT OPERATION PHOENIX AND OPERATION EXPRESS. SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE WE SLAUGHTERED. WE DIDN'T CUT THEIR HEADS OFF, WE BLEW THEM OFF. SIX AMERICANS WERE SLAUGHTERED BY OTHER AMERICANS IN DEALT IN A -- SEVEN WERE KILLED IN FLORIDA THE OTHER DAY. SEVEN OF THEM. YOU CAN GO OVER AND OVER AND YOU COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT LARGEST CLEAR AND MOST PRESENT DANGER TO AMERICANS IS OTHER AMERICANS. IT'S NOT ISIS. IT'S NOT AL QAEDA. IN THE IRAQ WAR ALONE , WE LOST 4498 89. WE ARE LOSINGCH . WE HAVE LOST FROM DAY ONE IN AFGHANISTAN, IN IRAQ AND VIETNAM. WE LEFT A BLOODY TRAIL. WHEN WE LEAVE THOSE PEOPLE WILL STILL BE THERE AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THE UNITED STATES IS STONE COLD BROKE AND BORROWING MONEY TO BLOW PEOPLE'S HEADS OFF, NOT CUTTING THEM OFF. I -- CONDEMN ISIS AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MR. CULLIGAN. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME?

I HAVE NO SLIPS.

OKAY, I NOTICED A GROUP THAT CAME IN. DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR ANY MATTER? OKAY, WITH THAT, WE'LL GO INTO RECESS AT 9:00 UNTIL OUR REGULAR COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING. WE STAND IN RECESS. [ GAVEL ]

GOOD MORNING. IF THE CHAMBER CAN PLEASE COME TO ORDER. GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. TODAY'S DATE IS NOVEMBER 20, 2014. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. CITY CLERK: MR. WAGNER, MS. CUSACK, MR. DANIELS, MS. DENNY'S, MS. NORTHEY, MS. PATTERSON. WE HAVE A QUORUM.

ALL RIGHT. INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY PASTOR PRICE OF THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH. GOOD MORNING, MR. PRICE. IF THE COUNCIL WILL PLEASE RISE.

LET'S PRAY.

HEAVENLY FATHER, YOU TELL US IN YOUR HOLY WORD TO PRAY FOR THE LEADERS OF OUR LAND AND WE PRAY ESPECIALLY FOR THESE LEADERS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY AND WE KNOW THAT THESE LEADERS HAVE A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY AND WE ASK YOU TO PRAY FOR THESE PEOPLE. THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL THAT MEANS A LOT AND IMPACTS A LOT OF LIVES. FATHER, HELP THEM TO LEAVE IN INTEGRITY AND HONESTY LORD. WE LIFT THEM UP TO YOU BECAUSE WE KNOW LEADERSHIP IS TRYING AND WE KNOW LEADERSHIP CAN TAKE A TOLL ON A BODY PHYSICALLY AND SPIRITUALLY AND EMOTIONALLY. WE ASK YOU TO BE WITH THEM IN THESE AREAS, BE WITH THEM IN THEIR PRIVATE AND PUBLIC LIVES AND THEIR FAMILY LIVES. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WE THANK YOU THAT THEY WILL WILLING TO GIVE OF THEIR TIME AND TALENT AND TO LEAD IN THIS TOWN. WE THANK YOU THAT WE HAVE MEN AND WOMEN THAT HAVE SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES SO WE CAN LIVE IN FREEDOM. THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE HERE, WE THANK YOU FOR THEIR SERVICE. LORD, YOU ARE GOOD AND YOU HAVE GIVEN US A BEAUTIFUL STATE AND BEAUTIFUL COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR LOVING US. IN CHRIST NAME, I PRAY.

AMEN.

ATTENTION. SALUTE. PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT NOW TO PULLING OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. MR. WAGNER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL? IS THAT A NO, SIR? MS. CUSACK? >> I HAVE NOTHING.

MR. DANIELS? MS. DENYS? MS. NORTHEY? NOTHING.

I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND SECOND FROM MS. DENYS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. WITH ALL THAT, ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE". SO CARRY UNANIMOUS MUSS.

MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT THOSE FROM SPRINGS WERE HERE AN AGENDA ITEM. THEY SET UP TO PASS 113 THINGS AND IT ONLY TOOK THEM 2 YEARS.

CONGRATULATIONS.

ALL RIGHT. REMEMBER, WE HAVE TO BE ON THE RECORD. ITEM NO. 1 IS THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 2, 2014, AND OCTOBER 16, 2014. ARE THERE ANY EDITS, CHANGES OR SUBMISSIONS TO CHANGE THE RECORD? WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MS. DENYS AND SECOND FROM MS. CUSACK. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE". ALL THOSE OPPOSED? IT'S CARRIED UNANIMOUS. ITEM NO. 2. YOU HAVE A RETIREE TODAY.

YES, GOOD MORNING. WE ARE A RETIREE TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS MORNING. FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM ROGER HARRIS. HE WILL RETIRE AFTER 30 YEARS OF SERVICE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ROGER HARRIS TO COME FORWARD.

YOU HAVE TO COME FORWARD TOO, SIR. IS YOUR WIFE, FAMILY HERE? THEY CAN COME UP. PLEASE, FAMILY, YOU ARE FAMILY, COME ON UP.

WOW, STANDING ROOM ONLY. IT'S QUITE A CROWD. IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE SUPPORT OF THE FAMILY.

GOOD MORNING, FIRE CHIEF VOLUSIA COUNTY FIRE SERVICES. I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE SERVICE ROGER HAS DONE FOR SERVICE. IT WAS KNOWN AS HALIFAX FIRE DEPARTMENT. PRIOR TO THAT DATE ROGER SERVED AS A VOLUNTEER FOR 6 YEARS DONATING HIS TIME AROUND STATION 13. ROGER TOLD ME HE STARTED HIS VOLUNTEERISM ON A WHIM WHEN HE STARTED AS A SOPHOMORE IN HIGH SCHOOL WHEN HE WAS LOUD TO RESPOND ON AN EMERGENCY MEDICAL CALL AND AT THAT POINT HE HAD THE BUG. HE WANTED TO HELP OUT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. BECAUSE OF HIS AGE, AN ACCEPTANCE HAD TO BE MADE FOR HIM TO VOLUNTEER. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE A 16-YEAR-OLD, A VERY YOUNG AGE TO START IN FIRE AND MEDICAL ASSISTANCE RESPONSE. WE ARE GLAD THAT HE CHOSE THIS KIND OF WORK AND HE CHOSE TO SERVE VOLUSIA COUNTY. HE WAS IN A FIRE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY IN 1985 AND THROUGH THE WILDFIRES IN 1998 AND HURRICANES IN 2004. HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE HAZMAT TEAM AS A MAZ MATT HAZMAT TECHNICIAN. WHERE VER HE'S GONE HE'S FOLLOWED. HE'S BEEN ABLE TO LEARN ADAPTIVELY AND PUNCTUAL WITH A GOOD ATTITUDE AND REPORTS ALL SAFETY PROBLEMS AND ACCEPTS ALL WILLINGLY. NEEDS NO SUPERVISION ON A SCENE. ACCEPTS AND WORKS WITH WORKERS. THE BOTTOM LINE, HE'S A TRUE PUBLIC SERVANT. HAVING SERVED FAITHFULLY FOR 30 YEARS. CONGRATULATIONS.

PLEASE, YOU HAVE THE MICROPHONE, SIR. YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME.

ROGER HARRIS FIREFIGHTER VOLUSIA COUNTY FIRE SERVICE. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY FIRE SERVICE FOR 30 YEARS. I STARTED IN 1984. SINCE THEN I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES AND WORKED THE WILDFIRES OF 85 AND 98. THE AMTRAK TRAIN DERAILMENT IN 2012. THE VOLUSIA COUNTY HAS THE BEST FIREFIGHTERS AND IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE RIGHT ALONG THEM.

YOU STARTED AT 16? WOW. THAT'S PRETTY YOUNG. IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM OUR COUNCILMEMBERS? PLEASE.

MS. CUSACK, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. AS A MEMBER OF THIS FIRE SERVICE, I OFTEN SAY THAT WE RUN AWAY FROM. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE TO THIS COUNTY AND CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY. I'M PROUD TO HAVE BEEN THE NURSE THAT WORKED WITH MANY FIREFIGHTERS IN THE PAST DURING THOSE FIRES. I REALLY APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND HOPE YOU WILL ENJOY THE NEXT PHASE OF YOUR LIFE TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND COMMITMENT.

MR. WAGNER, DID YOU TURN YOUR BUTTON OFF? OKAY, YOU WILL BE LAST NOW. MS. DENYS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

IT'S INTERESTING, I ALWAYS LISTEN TO THE WORDS SPOKEN ABOUT THOSE WHO WE ARE GOING TO HONOR. IT'S NOT HOW YOU START, IT'S HOW YOU END. WE KNOW HOW YOU STARTED AS A VOLUNTEER, THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE CHIEF SAID YOU WERE TRIED AND TRUE. AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS AND I'M LOOKING AT THE TEARS, I'M LOOKING AT THOSE BREATHING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, IN TOTAL RESPECT AND LOVE AND HONOR FOR YOU. I BET WHEN YOU STARTED OUT AT 16, I'M THINKING YOU WERE PROBABLY ALONE AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THIS FAMILY AT THE TIME. IT'S NOT HOW YOU STARTED, IT'S HOW YOU FINISHED AND YOU FINISHED STRONG AND THOSE WITH YOU HERE TODAY, IT'S NOT HOW YOU SERVE US IN THE PUBLIC, BUT YOUR FAMILY AS WELL. ENJOY THESE YEARS THAT YOU HAVE EARNED IN SERVING US. IT'S AN HONOR KNOWING YOU. CAN I ASK IF YOUR PARENTS ARE HERE? I'M WONDERING. I'M WATCHING THE TEARS AND THOSE ARE THE TEARS OF A MOTHER. YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL WHERE MOM IS AND DAD IN THESE TYPES OF TRIBUTES. IT'S AN HONOR GREATLY BESTOWED. ENJOY YOUR YEARS.

THANK YOU.

MR. PATTERSON?

I REMEMBER VIVIDLY IN 1985 I WAS TRAINING WITH AN INSURANCE COMPANY IN NEW YORK AND I SAID I DON'T THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE MUCH GOING TO TRAIN FROM NEW YORK TO VOLUSIA COUNTY. I REMEMBER IN 1997 WHEN PAT NORTHEY AND I, I WAS CHAIR OF THE COUNCIL AND WE TOOK STORM TEAM TRAINING IN MARYLAND, AT THE FIRE SCHOOL UP THERE. IT WAS ALWAYS STORM TEAM TRAINING FOR HER AND NEVER REALIZED WE WOULD COME BACK AND HAVE THE TORNADO AND THE FIRE IN 1998 AND I REMEMBER THE DEDICATION OF THE FIREFIGHTERS FROM HERE AND THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT CAME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO HELP US WITH THAT FIRE AND I KNOW THE COMMITMENT OF A FIREFIGHTER. I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT RETIREMENT. SOME DAY I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I THINK THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE ME TO BE A FIREFIGHTER. >> I WENT THROUGH FIRE FIGHTING WHEN I WAS IN THE NAVY. I WAS A LEAD GUY AND WE HAD SOME FIRES ON BOARD THE SHIP I WAS ON. I KNOW IT'S NOT FUN WHEN YOUR PANT LEGS ARE ON FIRE. CONGRATULATIONS AND ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT.

THANK YOU.

MR. WAGNER, AND YOU ARE NOT LAST.

YEAH, EVERYBODY SAID IT BEST. YOU HAVE DONE OBVIOUSLY SOME PRETTY AMAZING THING. 16 IS PRETTY AMAZING TO START EARLY. DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WITH YOU.

MY DAUGHTER BROOK, MY MOTHER LISA, MY WIFE JOY, AND KELLY AND HER MOTHER JUDE AND MY FATHER IN LAW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. IT'S AN EXCITING DAY AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE COMMITMENT, QUITE A FEW OF MY FRIENDS ARE FIRE FIGHTING AND AS THEIR FAMILY, I HEAR ABOUT THE STRESS THEY GO THROUGH. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING HIM TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS. THANK YOU AGAIN.

MS. NORTHEY?

YES, JUST VERY SIMPLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO VOLUSIA COUNTY. WE ARE GRATEFUL THAT YOU GAVE US THOSE YEARS.

THANK YOU.

MR. DANIELS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? ARE YOU GOOD TO GO?

HE'S GOOD TO GO. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR SERVICE. SOMETIMES IN PUBLIC SERVICE IT'S A LITTLE TOUGH, BUT YOU HAVE EARNED YOUR RETIREMENT. GO FORTH, TRAVEL, TAKE A CRUISE AND RELAX BECAUSE I KNOW BEING A FIREFIGHTER IS PRETTY STRESSFUL. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT RECESS AND YOU CAN NOW ALL APPLAUD FOR THIS YOUNG MAN. [ APPLAUSE ]

[ GAVEL ] ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK FROM RECESS. IF THE CHAMBERS WILL COME BACK TO ORDER. THOSE WITH CELL PHONES, PLEASE TURN IT TO VIBRATE OR OFF. THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NO. 3. WAIT A MINUTE, I HAD A REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY MANAGER TO GIVE HIM THE FLOOR FOR A MOMENT IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION. SEEING NO OBJECTION, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, IF I CAN HAVE DR. HERMAN COME FORWARD. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY HERE. SHE DOES NOT KNOW I WAS GOING TO BRING HER FORWARD. SHE THINKS SHE'S HERE FOR ANOTHER REASON. I WILL LET MARYANN BRING HER HERE.

THANK YOU. IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT OUR STAFF IS RECOGNIZED NATIONALLY. IT'S WITH THAT THOUGHT WE ARE BRINGING DR. HERMAN FORWARD TODAY TO ALLOW US TO ALSO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR HER ACHIEVEMENTS PROFESSIONALLY. DR. HERMAN HAS BEEN WITH US FOR ALMOST 8 YEARS AND PREVIOUSLY AN ASSOCIATE DEPUTY AND CHIEF MANAGER IN BROUWER COUNTY AND CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER IN THE SCIENCES AND AMERICAN PATHOLOGIST AND WHAT BRINGS HER TODAY IS SHE'S BEEN APPOINTED TO THE FORENSIC SCIENCE BOARDS 19TH MEMBER LEGAL DEATH INVESTIGATION SUBCOMMITTEE. THAT'S 19 MEMBERS NATIONALLY. THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOCUSES ON GUIDELINES RELATED TO UNNATURAL UNEXPLAINED SUSPICIOUS DEATHS AND FOCUSES ON THE DETERMINATION OF THE CAUSE OF DEATH. THE FORENSIC SCIENCE GOVERNORING BOARD IS THE COORDINATING BOARD TO ESTABLISH GUIDELINES FOR THE FORENSIC SCIENCE COMMUNITY. SO DR. HERMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

WHAT I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO KNOW IS THAT WE ARE VERY PRIVILEGED TO HAVE SOMEONE OF HER CALIBER WORKING WITH US. I HAVE WORKED WITH A NUMBER OF MEDICAL EXAMINERS, CORONERS AND SHE'S ONE OF THE BEST QUALIFIED AND THAT WE ARE PRIVILEGED TO BE SOMEONE OF THIS QUALITY WORKING FOR US AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL IN TODAY'S WORLD WHR EVERYBODY THINKS THEY ARE SOMEHOW CSI AND WHEN YOU GET INTO THESE CASES AND THAT HAPPENS TO US AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE SHE'S ALSO BEEN FUNCTIONING UNDER CONTRACT WHICH WE ALLOW TO HELP SEMINOLE COUNTY. I JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO KNOW HOW FORTUNATE WE ARE TO HAVE SOMEONE OF YOUR CREDENTIALS WORKING FOR US. THANK YOU.

I GUESS WE PULLED THE OLD BAIT AND SWITCH ON YOU.

YOU SURE DID.

IT'S GREAT TO SEE SOMEONE NOBODY SEE'S. IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE SOMEONE BEHIND-THE-SCENES SO HIGHLY ACCREDITED. IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU WITH US. I ECHO HIS FEELINGS EXACTLY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, MADAM?

THANK YOU, COUNCIL, IT'S CERTAINLY BEEN A PRIVILEGE AND A GOOD EXPERIENCE WORKING AS A MEDICAL EXAMINER FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING TOWARDS IMPROVING DEATH INVESTIGATION THROUGHOUT THE NATION AND TO BRING THE STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES BACK TO EXCELLENT PRACTICE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. OUR FIRST BOARD MEETING HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED. IT IS IN NORMAN OKLAHOMA, THE SECOND WEEK IN JANUARY. I'M SO LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND OF COURSE COMING BACK TO VOLUSIA COUNTY AFTER THAT. >> IT'S NOT CONSIDERED JUN KET. IT'S CONSIDERED --

WE ARE VERY PROUD OF YOU.

MR. DANIELS?

CONGRATULATIONS. IT REALLY IS EXCITING TO SEE SOMEBODY FROM VOLUSIA COUNTY WITH THAT HONOR. ARE YOU GOING TO THE BODY FARM IF TENNESSEE?

I HAVE NO PLANS. [ LAUGHTER ]

NOT WHILE I'M ALIVE.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE ONE COMMENT. UNDER WHAT PRETENSE DID WE TELL DR. HERMAN SHE WAS HERE FOR?

WE TOLD HER THERE WAS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

WELL, THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ]

DOCTOR, YOU HAVE TO COME UP AND SHAKE OUR HANDS AND YOU ARE NOT WEARING A VOLUSIA COUNTY PIN.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

NO PROBLEM, SIR.

ALL RIGHT NOW WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM NO. 3 WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION OF THE FEDERAL LOBBYIST. HI, RICK CARL, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR HERE.

THANK YOU, SIR, RICK CARL, DIRECTOR OF AVIATION ECONOMIC RESOURCES. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE THIS MORNING TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER WITH YOU. MY DEPARTMENT STAFF AND YOUR STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. IT IS YOUR AGENDA. AS WE HAVE DONE WITH THE STATE LEGISLATIVE LOBBYIST, YOU HAVE PICKED THAT FIRM AND THIS PROCESS WAS DONE FOR THE FEDERAL LOBBYIST WITH THE SAME INFORMALITY. WE DIDN'T GO WITH THE SAME RFP PROCESS WHICH IS SOMETHING WE MAY CONSIDER THAT IN THE FUTURE. WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE SEEKING YOUR DIRECTION. YOU HAVE VETTED THREE FIRMS. YOU SELECTED ONE FIRM TO BE THE LEAD LOBBYIST ON YOUR FEDERAL AGENDA AND YOU SELECTED A SECONDARY FIRM TO HANDLE A SPECIFIC AREA AVIATION ARROW SPACE PARTICULARLY SPACE ISSUES, THE SECOND FIRM STEWARD SQUARE GROUP, REPRESENTED BY JAMIE PERACOLA WHO IS HERE TODAY. THE SECOND FIRM IS READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO TAKE EITHER PORTION YOU HAVE DELEGATED AND ALLOW FOR YOU TO GO OUT AND SEEK ADDITIONAL PROCESSES FOR THE COMPLETE REPRESENTATION OR STEWARD SQUARE IS ALSO AS YOUR PERCEIVED SECOND CHOICE TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY WITH ALL IT'S LEGISLATIVE MATTERS. SO WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SEEK YOUR GUIDANCE. THERE HAS BEEN NO, TO CLARIFY THE RECORD, I HAVE HAD NO DISCUSSIONS WITH ANY OF THE CANDIDATES OTHER THAN THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS REGARDING PRICE, REGARDING THE FEE. THE AVERAGE FEE FOR A FEDERAL LOBBYIST IS AROUND $10,000 A MONTH, SOME WERE TALKING HIGHER AND I'M WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON THAT. I WANT TO ESTABLISH THAT WE HAVE NOT NEGOTIATED A FEE.

RICK, IF I CAN ADD, BOTTOM LINE OBVIOUSLY WE HAD ONE FIRM WITHDRAW. AT THIS POINT THERE IS NO PRECONCEIVED IDEA WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO. WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO. IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE COUNCIL. YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANT DONE AND WE'LL DO IT. THANKS, RICK.

THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYMORE STAFF REPORT ON THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION. ALL RIGHT. MR. CULLIGAN. GOOD MORNING, SIR.

MY NAME IS MORTON CULLIGAN. THIS DISCUSSION REVOLVES AROUND PAYING A LOBBYING GROUP OVER ONE PENNY IN TAXPAYERS MONEY, WHICH IS ONE MORE PENNY THAN IT DESERVES. PAID TO LOBBY FROM A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY $18 TRILLION $640 BILLION IN DEBT. TAKE TO YOURSELF, USE YOUR IMAGINATION, ALL THE COUNTIES AND ALL THE CITIES THEY ARE ALL DOING THE SAME THING, BEATING UP A DYSFUNCTIONAL BANKRUPT FEDERAL DOLLARS THEY CAN GET. TALK ABOUT PATRIOTISM WHEN A COUNTRY IS SO BANKRUPT IT'S REACHING INTO THE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS. IT'S SO DISRESPECTFUL. YOU ARE JUST BORROWING MONEY AND BORROWING MONEY. THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE. THEY JUST KEEP BORROWING, AND THEY CAN'T STOP SPENDING. THEY ARE IMMORAL. THINK OF THE ETHICS FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY. IT'S 000 EXTENSION 0. WE HAVE NONE. IT'S TO PAY FOR FEDERAL LOBBYIST. WE ALREADY HAVE A FEDERAL LOBBYIST. HIS NAME IS MR. JOHN MICA. WHY DON'T YOU TALK TO HIM. I TALKED TO HIM AND ASKED HIM, WHY DON'T YOU FORM A DEPARTMENT CALLED "NO". THAT'S ALL WE DO GRAVEL FOR MONEY. THE FISCAL DEBT FOR LOCAL AND CITIES AND THE COLLECTIVE FISCAL DEBT WILL BE 21, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2015, WILL BE $21 TRILLION THAT INCLUDES STATE DEBT AND LOCAL DEBT. ALL OF THAT MONEY IS BORROWED FROM A SPECIAL DEBT AND THAT'S THE FUTURE. THAT'S HOW DISRESPECTFUL WE ARE. VOLUSIA COUNTY GOVERNMENT DESERVES NO MONEY, NO MORE MONEY THAT IT GETS. YOU DON'T DESERVE ANY MONEY BECAUSE YOU THROW AWAY AND GIVE THE MONEY YOU HAVE. A SPECIAL MONEY FOR SENIORS YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU TURN AROUND AND SPEND MORE MONEY FROM FEDERAL LOBBYIST AND SPEND MORE. IT'S RIDICULOUS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT, WHERE ARE WE GOING NOW? DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? OKAY. VERY WELL, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO COUNTY COUNCIL DISCUSSION, MR. WAGNER?

I WAS GOING TO SAY IN THE LETTER SENT TO US THAT THERE IS A TYPO, THAT WE ARE A FRACTION. I THINK HE'S STATING THAT'S HOW THE GOVERNMENT WORKS, WE ARE ALL JUST A FRACTION OF DEMOCRACY. I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

YEAH, MS. DENYS?

OKAY, THEN. BODA BINGE . THE POINT TO THAT IS, I GUESS FOR THE RECORD, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, JOSH. THIS IS CLEARLY COUNCIL THAT IS NOT A RUBBER STAMP FOR ANYBODY, NOT THE MANAGER OR NOT ANY INDIVIDUAL OR ANY POLITICAL PARTY. NOTHING HAS EVER LINED UP THAT WAY. WE ARE ALL INDEPENDENT THINKERS AND WE DECIDE THAT VERY VOCALLY AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYONE'S OFFICIAL, OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE ON ALL ISSUES OCCURS HERE AT THIS TIME AND IT IS CON CONTENTIOUS AND SOMETIMES IT IS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING ALL OF VOLUSIA COUNTY AND I APPRECIATE THE ISSUES FROM MY COLLEAGUES. EVEN THOUGH JOSH WHEN YOU ARE WRONG, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT TOO. THAT'S TONGUE AND CHEEK VERY GENUINELY AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. NOW, GOING FORWARD WITH THAT, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS AND SOME OF IT HAS BEEN TRYING TO MAKE SOME POLITICAL THOUGHT OR SOME MEDIA THOUGHT OUT OF THIS AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. HERE IS MY FIRST QUESTION, LET'S GO BACK TO ORIGINAL INTENT BECAUSE ORIGINAL INTENT IS IMPORTANT. OUR ORIGINAL INTENT AS A COUNCIL WAS TO HIRE A LOBBYIST TO REPRESENT US IN DC ON WATER QUALITY ISSUES, IS THAT CORRECT?

MR. CARL?

I THOUGHT IT WAS ON TRANSPORTATION.

ON WATER AND TRANSPORTATION.

I JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD WITH THAT. I'M ASKING THAT FOR CLARIFYING. IT'S WATER, TRANSPORTATION.

ARROW RROW SPACE.

WE ARE LOOKING AT WATER AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.

I THOUGHT THE LOBBYIST WENT OUT THERE AND DID ALL THE WORK AND WE CALLED HIM UP AND SAID TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

ORIGINAL INTENT. THAT WHAT YOU SAID IN THE CRITICAL PROCESS THAT WE CAN GET LOST IN NEGOTIATING. WE HAVE ALREADY LOST ONE LOBBYIST AND HE'S CHOSEN TO PULL AWAY AND EXACTLY THEIR DECISION. FOR $10,000 A MONTH. WE ARE GOING TO GET FOR WHAT WE PAY FOR. NOW IF WE HAD TWO LOBBYING FIRMS AND IF WE GOT TO THAT POINT OF NEGOTIATING CONTRACTS, I THINK WE WOULD STILL HAVE CONTRACTS HERE COUNCILMAN, SAYING DO WE WANT TO CONTRACT $10,000 A MONTH WITH TWO FIRMS AND I BET WE WOULD HAVE HAD POLITICAL PULL BACK THEN AS TO WHY ARE YOU DOING IT THAT WAY. I'M TRYING TO FRAME THE DEBATE. I WANT TO GO BACK TO WATER QUALITY. I ATTENDED, AND THANKS, MR. WAGNER, THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COUNTY'S COLLABORATIVE. IT'S VERY INTERESTING. I WILL MAKE COPIES OF THIS FOR YOU. ONE OF THE REASONS SOUTH FLORIDA GOT A LION SHARE OF THE DOLLARS IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A COUNTY'S COLLABORATIVE. THEY HAVE 16 COUNTIES THAT HAVE BANDED TOGETHER AND IT'S CALLED ONE VOICE SOUTH FLORIDA ECHO SYSTEM. IT'S FLORIDA'S PRIORITY. THIS IS WHY THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL. NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE ONE COUNTY HAD A LOBBYIST. IT'S BECAUSE 16 COUNTIES COLLABORATIVELY IN A PARTNERSHIP PRESENTED A PRETTY STRONG POLITICAL VOICE IN WASHINGTON D.C.. THAT'S PRETTY STRONG. THE FIVE COUNTY COLLABORATIVE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON CURRENTLY, AND I WILL BRING UP LATER BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE TIME TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE ISSUES, BUT IT'S WITH MARTIN COUNTY, ST. LOUIS COUNTY AND VOLUSIA. THAT WILL STRENGTHEN OUR VOICE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE NOT DONE WELL IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS PARTNER COLLABORATIVELY AND IF WE HAVE PARTNERED, WE HAVEN'T BEEN REPRESENTED STRONGLY AS A VOICE AT THOSE MEETINGS. THIS IS A LEADERSHIP ISSUE. THIS IS STRENGTHENING THE VOICE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. SO LOOKING, I HAVE LISTENED, WHEN I WAS AT THE COUNTY, I SPOKE WITH SOME COLLEAGUES ELECTED OUTSIDE OUR COUNTY AND SPOKEN WITH MANY PEOPLE AND MANY PEOPLE OFFERED WHERE WE SHOULD GO, SOME HAVE REQUESTED AND SOME HAVE NOT. HERE IS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST. THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT AN ISSUE TO NOT DO THE PROCESS CORRECTLY, AND HONESTLY, MY FIRST CHOICE WAS HOLLAND AND NIGHT, STEWARD WAS SECOND CHOICE, I'M NOT READY FOR SECOND CHOICE. I WOULD LIKE THIS COUNCIL TO REQUEST AN RFP YET AGAIN KNOWING THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT -- AT LEAST $10 THOZ $10,000 A MONTH AND FOR FEBRUARY , A POSSIBLE OPTION TO CHOOSE. I'M MAKING A MOTION TO REDO THE RFP PROCESS, PUT THE BIDS OUT AGAIN WITH A TIME CERTAIN FOR DECISION OR THIS COUNCIL IN JANUARY.

MS. DENYS, IF I COULD JUST MAKE A POINT FOR CLARIFICATION.

THERE IS A MOTION FROM MS. DENYS TO REDO THE RFP. MR. PATTERSON?

AT THIS POINT THERE WAS NOT AN RFP. THERE IS A WAIVER OF THE RULES. THERE WAS NOT A FORMAL RFP PUT OUT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FORMAL RFP PROCESS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE OFFICE AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING BACK TO YOU BY JANUARY.

WHAT IS THE PROCESS?

YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT THE RFP TOGETHER, PUBLISH IT.

FORGET THE RFP, GIVE ME THE WORDS. WHAT DID WE DO LAST TIME?

WE OPENED FOR SOLICITATION. WE DID NOT SPECIFY.

WHAT YOU DID WAS, LOOK, WE JUST GO OUT FOR PROPOSALS BASED ON THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT PEOPLE HAD. YOU ARE LOOKING AT PEOPLE THAT ARE QUALIFIED AS LOBBYIST AND THEY ARE GOING IN AND SAY BASED ON OUR LOBBYIST EXPERIENCE THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER. YOU CAN DO IT THAT WAY, YOU OPEN YOURSELF UP TO MORE OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AT, WHEN YOU SAY RFP, YOU ARE LOOKING AT QUALIFICATION. I THINK WE WOULD STAY IN THE PROCESS AND GO OUT TO REVIEW AND WE HAVE TO LOOK NOW IN THE AGENCY THAT WE ARE IN TALKS WITH. I THINK YOU HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT POINT. BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR SOLICITATIONS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE LOBBYIST. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GROUP THAT AT LEAST STARTED THE ENGAGEMENT AND ALLOW US TO GO WITH THAT GROUP.

IT IS MY INTENT THAT I NEED TO CHANGE THE WORDS OF MY MOTION THEN, TO JUST FOR OPEN QUALIFICATION, TO SOLICIT QUALIFICATIONS FOR A LOBBYIST WITH THE DECISION TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.

CAN I SUGGEST --

IS THAT THE CHANGE TO YOUR MOTION?

YES.

IS THAT OKAY WITH THE SECOND?

YES.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU MAKE IT IN JANUARY, MAKE IT THE SECOND MEETING. THE FIRST MEETING IS THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING AND WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ON, YOU MAY WANT TO MAKE IT YOUR SECOND MEETING.

WITH A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, YOU ARE SAYING IN YOUR MOTION THAT YOU ARE REALLY NOT INTERESTED IN A LOBBYING FIRM FOR THIS YEAR?

INDEED. I THINK IT WOULD SERVE US WELL TO HAVE ONE FIRM REPRESENT US ACROSS THE BOARD WITH ALL AGENCIES. IF WE ARE LOOKING AT $10,000 A MONTH, I CAN'T JUSTIFY TWO FIRMS IN THAT COST.

AND THEN, THEREFORE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO -- WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FIRM WE HAVE ALREADY SAID SET DIRECTIONS TO NEGOTIATE WITH ALSO. WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM IN THIS MOTION?

AGAIN, THEN A MOTION TO OVER RIDE THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.

WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THAT UP AFTER, AFTER THE FIRST MOTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED.

OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE, MS. DENYS? NO.

MR. WAGNER?

THERE IS AN ITEM COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO NEED A LOBBYIST OTHERWISE WE ARE GOING TO LOSE. REALIZE BY THIS VOTE THERE IS SOMETHING YOU WANT YOU ARE NOT GETTING WITHOUT A FEDERAL LOBBYIST.

WAIT, MR. WAGNER YOU CAN'T ACT AS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AND NOT SHARE WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES.

I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT. THERE IS NO REASON FOR IT. JUST REALIZE THERE ARE SOME THINGS COMING UP THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME OR MISS OUT ON OPPORTUNITIES. THE ISSUE WITH MONEY WAS BROUGHT UP BY A LOBBYIST TO MAKE THINGS POLITICAL. THE IDEA OF NEGOTIATIONS OF HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK IS YOU NEGOTIATE WHEN THE DISCUSSION CAME UP TO BUY TWO FIRMS, IT'S TO BIFURCATE THEM. WHEN IT'S $10,000, ONE MAYBE 7 ONE MAYBE THREE. IF MONEY IS THE ISSUE, WE ARE OUT OF LINE. I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S CONCERN, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS PROPER. I THINK DEFINITELY THERE ARE SERIOUS LEGAL ISSUES WHERE WE VOTE TO NEGOTIATE WITH AN ORGANIZATION AND ALL OF A SUDDEN BECAUSE 1 DROPS OUT WE ARE AUTOMATICALLY KILLING THEM. THAT'S A LITTLE STRANGE AS FAR AS HOW WE DO BUSINESS. SO I DO FIND THAT SOMEWHAT INTERESTING THAT WE GET A LETTER FROM A LOBBYING GROUP 5 WEEKS AFTER AN ELECTION OR 5 WEEKS AFTER THEY WON THE BID TO BE THE LEAD AND THEN THERE IS AN ELECTION AND IN THAT ELECTION IF YOU CAN COUNT THE VOTES BASE ON A PRIOR COUNCIL MEETING WOULD HAVE BEEN FOUR TO BE THE COMPLETE LOBBYING GROUP BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOUR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND 1 WEEK AFTER THE ELECTION THIS BECOMES CLEAR, THIS COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN COUNT THE VOTES. THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS TO BECOME THE VOTES. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE FOUR TO BECOME THE SOLE LOBBYIST. SO THEY WRITE AN INTERESTING LETTER SAYING WE ARE FRACTURED AND THEN THEY GIVE A FAKE PRICE THAT WE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS FOR $50,000 WHICH IS TRYING TO SLAP THE FACE OF THE PERSON WHO WAS IN SECOND. THAT'S ANOTHER INTERESTING MOVE THAT WAS TAKEN. AND THEN WE ARE PUT IN A SITUATION, SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A LOBBYING GROUP WITH ALL THE THINGS TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW IN WASHINGTON, DEALS ARE BEING MADE RIGHT NOW IN WASHINGTON, WATER QUALITY DEALS ARE BEING MADE IN WASHINGTON. SPACE ISSUES ARE BEING DEALT WITH IN WASHINGTON, TRANSPORTATION IS SIGNIFICANTLY BEING ADDRESSED IN WASHINGTON. NOW THE GROUP THAT HAD SECOND WHICH THEY WERE FINE WITH JUST DOING AVIATION AND SPACE SUPPORT WHO DID NOTHING WRONG, GAVE A GREAT REPRESENTATION, MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL THAT DIDN'T GIVE THEM 1ST SAID WE KNOW YOUR DAD, YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB AND DOING GREAT THINGS. THEY HAD FOUR VOTES TO BE THE LOBBYIST GROUP. THERE WERE ONLY FOUR VOTES FOR THE OTHER LOBBYIST GROUP. IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS DIEHARD EITHER WAY. SO BASED ON THE OTHER LOBBYIST GROUP PULLING OUT AND SENDING US A LETTER BASICALLY TRYING TO SAY WE ARE FRACTURED, WHAT IT DOES IS SEND US BACK AND FRACTURES US MORE PUTTING US IN A SITUATION NOW WHERE WE ARE PULLING THE OTHER LOBBYIST GROUP THAT HAVE THE ONE, THE RIGHT TO DO IT AND BASED ON MONEY BECAUSE THE OTHER LOBBYIST GROUP, THEY POLLUTED THE WELL. THAT'S WHAT NEGOTIATIONS ARE FOR. I AM SOMEWHAT EMBARRASSED THAT WE ARE TAKING THIS ROUTE BASED ON A LETTER THAT SOMEONE THAT IS NOT FROM THIS COMMUNITY WROTE. MY COMMENTS IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND I WILL SAY AGAIN, IF THIS COUNCIL WAS FRACTURED AND IF I DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE ON, I COULD HAVE SAID VERY MEAN THINGS AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. I WANTED TO SAY VERY MEAN THINGS, I DIDN'T SAY VERY MEAN THINGS EVEN THOUGH I WANTED TO, FOR ONE REASON, BECAUSE IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON. I SAID THAT AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON. I DON'T THINK IT WAS PROPER FOR THEM TO DO THAT AND I DON'T THINK IT'S PROPER FOR US TO TURN AROUND AND STOP IN THE AVIATION ASPECT AND SPACE SUPPORT. THERE IS NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T HAVE BOTH. OBVIOUSLY MY POSITION IS THEY ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE. WE HAVE VETTED HOW MANY, 15?

AT LEAST A DOZEN.

A DOZEN FIRMS WERED INTERESTED, THERE WERE THERE, WE GOT IT DOWN TO TWO. ONE PULLED OUT. WE ARE JUST GOING TO BE A GROUNDHOG SITUATION. MY FEAR IS IT'S MORE POLITICS THAN PEOPLE'S WORK AND THAT'S WHAT'S STARTING TO SCARE ME IN THIS COUNTY GOVERNMENT IS EVERY MEETING I COME INTO INSTEAD OF PEOPLE'S WORK BEING DONE IT'S SATURATED WITH POLITICS AND IT'S STARTED TO BECOME ALARMING.

MS. CUSACK?

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I CANNOT SUPPORT THAT MOTION SIMPLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE ARE IN NEGOTIATION WITH STEWARD AND SQUARE GROUP AT THIS TIME. I THINK WE MADE THAT DECISION BASED ON A MULTITUDE OF THING. NOW TO REDO THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO THE COUNCIL, TO THE CITIZENS, I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO THE LOBBYING GROUP THAT WE HAD GIVEN PART OF THE WORK TO AND ALSO THINK THAT TIME IS OF ESSENCE HERE. YOU EITHER NEED TO HAVE A LOBBYING GROUP WHICH YOU HAVE ALL INDICATED THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, AND TIME IS OF ESSENCE AND THEY ARE GETTING READY TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN IN WASHINGTON AS WE SPEAK. SO, TO DELAY THIS PROCESS UNTIL SOMETIME IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF A NEW YEAR, I THINK IT'S, WE'LL REALLY BE SPENDING MONEY UNWISELY. YOU EITHER NEED TO MOVE ON OR YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT A LOBBYING GROUP FOR THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION. SO, WE HAVE SOME HARD DECISIONS TO MAKE, BUT WE OUGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THE HAND THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, AND THE HAND THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THE HAND THAT WE'VE PULLED AT THE MEETING THAT WE HAD WHEN WE SELECTED TWO FIRMS. ONE HAS ELECTED TO NOT DEAL WITH THIS FRACTURED GROUP OF FOLK AND THE NEXT ONE HAS MADE NO INDICATION THAT THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO CONTINUE IN THIS NEGOTIATION WITH US. I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY BE CAREFUL OF THE WATER WE ARE THREADING ON AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. BASED ON THE FACT THAT NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO ME, BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A FIRM THAT WE ARE NEGOTIATING WITH, I CANNOT SUPPORT STARTING THIS PROCESS BASED ON THE TIME AND THE COMMITMENTS WE HAVE ALREADY MADE TO ANOTHER FIRM. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

MS. NORTHEY?

THANK YOU, WHAT IS OUR COLLEAGUE MR. WAGNER REFERRING TO, RICK?

I'M NOT SURE.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE HOLDING BACK FOR US.

THERE IS NOTHING I'M HOLDING BACK.

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THE FEDERAL LOBBYIST TO DEAL WITH NEXT YEAR?

WE ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING ON AN ON GOING BASES WITH FLORIDA WITH THEIR ACTIVITIES AS YOU KNOW.

BUT YOU ARE NOT PRIVILEGED TO KNOW ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR, MR. MANAGER, ARE YOU?

THE ONLY THING I KNOW OF IS THE NORMAL THINGS WE WOULD LOBBY FOR.

THANK YOU, WHY DON'T WE CALL JIM CRUMB AND SEE IF HE WILL TAKE THIS BACK. THIS CONVERSATION IS RIDICULOUS, IF THIS IS ABOUT LOBBYING NEXT YEAR, CALL JIM, SEE IF HE'LL TAKE US BACK.

I DON'T KNOW WHO JIM IS SO I CAN VOTE FOR HIM.

HE'S FEDERAL LOBBYIST 2 YEARS AGO. IS THAT CORRECT?

YES. I NEED MY SCREEN CLEARED DOWN TO MR. PATTERSON.

ACTUALLY I WAS SECONDED MS. DENYS MOTION. IF I HAD THE FLOOR I WOULD HAVE MOTIONED THE TABLE FOR THE TIME BEING. THE SECOND CHOICE WAS NOT MY SECOND CHOICE BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT A SECOND CHOICE IN THIS PROCESS. I WANTED A FIRST CHOICE. I'M CONFIDENT AND I KNOW THEIR TRACK RECORD. THE OTHERS, I DIDN'T KNOW. I THINK ONE OF THE GROUPS WAS JUST PUT TOGETHER WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE TO GO FOR THE CONTRACT, NOT SECOND GROUP, BUT THE THIRD GROUP THAT HAD BEEN PUT TOGETHER. I DON'T LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT THIS THING ENDED UP WHEN WE WENT WITH THE SECOND GROUP. I HAVE BEEN AROUND THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT FOR OVER 20 YEARS AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND HAVE BEEN AROUND A LOT OF LOBBYING GROUPS FOR MANY YEARS AND I HAVE BEEN TO WASHINGTON AND WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IF THERE IS ANYTHING GOING ON, WE WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT, BELIEVE ME. THE ONLY THING I SEE THAT'S GOING ON IN WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW IS EVERYBODY IS FIGHTING OVER WHAT COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS THEY ARE GOING TO GET AND THEY COULDN'T CARE ABOUT ONE OR THE OTHER OR ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL NEXT YEAR WHEN THIS WHOLE PROCESS STARTS AGAIN. THEY COULDN'T EVEN PASS THE KEYSTONE BILL AND THEY HAD THE BILL TO PULL THAT OFF AND SO I DON'T SEE MUCH HAPPENING. IF NEED BE, I CAN OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO MS. DENYS MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO CHANGE IT FROM THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY TO THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY.

IF I MAY, WAS THAT, MS. ZIMMERMAN, WAS THAT NOT THE MOTION MADE BY MS. DENYS ALREADY?

I'M SORRY, YOU EXPLAINED TO HER THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SECOND MOTION. THAT WAS PART OF HER ORIGINAL MOTION.

OKAY. I THOUGHT SHE AMENDED THAT MOTION.

SECOND.

THERE IS A SECOND. THERE IS AN AMENDED MOTION TO THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY.

I PREFER TO SEE IF THERE IS A VOTE TO PASS THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO CONTINUE. CAN YOU TAKE A VOTE ON MY AMENDMENT.

ALL RIGHT. WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ONLY ON THE AMENDMENT TO MOVE THE PROCESS TO THE SECOND WEEK IN JANUARY. MOTION BY MR. PATTERSON, SECOND BY MS. DENYS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE". ALL THOSE OPPOSED? N AY. WHO IS A NO?

THE MAIN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. WE WEREN'T VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT.

I'M SORRY, COULD WE PLEASE SAY FOR THE RECORD?

FOR THE RECORD IT WAS MS. NORTHEY, MR. DANIELS, PATTERSON, MS. DAVIS AND MR. WAGNER AGAINST.

I WILL CONTINUE. LIKE I SAID I WAS READY TO TABLE THIS WHOLE THING FOR A WHILE. BUT I WILL GO WITH SUPPORTING THAT PARTICULAR MOTION. THE OTHER AMENDMENT I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER HAS TO DO WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP RIGHT NOW WITH THE OTHER GROUPS. SO I'M LOOKING FOR A LITTLE, CAN WE JUST STOP THE PROCESS THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. DO I NEED A MOTION ON THAT, MAKE A MOTION ON THAT AMENDMENT?

YOUR LAST INSTRUCTIONS WERE TO NEGOTIATE WITH SEWER SQUARE FOR THE AVIATION AERO SPACE.

THE IMPLICIT MOTION IS TO DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO DO THAT.

THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR WOULD WIPE OUT EVERYTHING WE HAVE SO FAR.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT WILL AT LEAST PUT THE OTHER ONE IN A BAN. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT EXPLICIT THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THAT FIRM.

IF MS. DENYS MOTION GOES FOR THAT, I WOULD DO THAT, STICK WITH THE MOTION.

MS. DENYS MOTION IS TO SELECT ONE LOBBYIST AT THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY NOW. EFFECTIVELY THAT SAYS, I THINK THAT WOULD TELL A STAFF NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE FIRM FOR A PORTION OF THAT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I NEED SOME CLAIRE FAKES CLARIFICATION ON THAT. WE NEED TO GO FORWARD.

IT WAS JUST CLARIFICATION OF THE LEGAL OPINION.

I HAVE TO GET CLARIFICATION BECAUSE HE'S SAYING THAT HE CAN DO THIS AND ALSO SAYING THAT YOU HAVE IN PROCESS ALREADY. I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE NEGOTIATING WITH THIS OTHER FIRM. IS THAT TRUE OR NOT?

WELL, THE DIRECTION THAT THE PRIOR DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL WAS TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE FIRM FOR A PORTION OF LOBBYING ASSIGNMENT. I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY PARTICIPATED IN THAT SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD BUT THAT WAS THE PRIOR COUNCIL ACTION. MS. DENYS MOTION SAYS, THAT SHE WANTS TO SOLICIT PROPOSALS TO DO A SINGLE LOBBYING CONTRACT EFFECTIVELY THAT WOULD TELL THE STAFF NOT TO GO FORWARD, BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT EXPLICIT, PLEASE TELL STAFF NOT TO DO IT UNTIL YOU SELECT THAT FIRM. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT EXPLICIT, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. BUT TO EFFECT MS. DENYS MOTION IS TO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE OTHER FIRM.

EVEN IF YOU ALREADY STARTED WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS.

EVEN IF WE STARTED. WE'LL FOLLOW THE DIRECTION IN EITHER CASE.

HAVE WE STARTED NEGOTIATIONS, SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER.

WE HAVE STARTED WITH NEGOTIATIONS. I WANT TO BE SURE THE COUNCIL IS CLEAR WITH THAT. DO WE EITHER CONTINUE OR NOT.

I'M GOING TO OFFER THE MAIN MOTION TO MS. DENYS WHICH IS TO DISCONTINUE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH ANY OTHER LOBBYIST THAT WE MAY HAVE APPROACHED WHICH I GUESS WILL BE SEWARD SQUARE.

THERE IS A RECOMMENDED AMENDMENT FOR DISCONTINUING NOTIONS WITH SEWARD SQUARE. THAT IS THE AMENDMENT FOR THE MOTION BY MR. PATTERSON.

SECOND.

MS. DENYS DID SECOND. YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR. DO YOU RELINQUISH THE FLOOR?

NOT AT THE MOMENT. I'M WAITING FOR THIS AMENDMENT TO PASSES.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR AN AMENDMENT CHANGE WHICH IS TO DISCONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS WITH SEWARD SQUARE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE". ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY AYE. THE NORMAL. MS. NORTHEY, MR. DANIELS, DENYS, MR. PATTERSON ARE FOR THAT, MR. COULD MS. CUSACK IS AGAINST IT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE HIM A SHOT FIRST? OKAY. I WAS JUST ASKING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST.

JUST ONE COMMENT, MR. CHAIR, SHOULD THERE BE A QUESTION ON WHO VOTED. YOU CAN'T COUNT ON OUR MACHINES, WE CAN PUSH THE BUTTON FOR CLARITY, BUT AT THE RESPONSE FOR NORMAL FORWARD. IF WE ARE GOING FORWARD, AS A CHAIR YOU NEED TO COUNT THE VOTE THAT WAY INSTEAD OF SIDEBAR, THAT IS NOT GOING TO TAKE US ANYWHERE FOR THE FUTURE. AS FAR AS THIS MOTION GOES, IT IS NOT POLITICS, IT'S PROCESS. I HAVE NO PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH ANYBODY IN ANY OF THESE AGENCIES, NOT ONE, NOT ONE, NOT ONE. AND, GOING FORWARD, IF WE REALLY MEAN THIS, YOU CAN'T PUT THE EXCLAMATION POINT AND SAY I DIDN'T MEAN MY MEAN COMMENT. LET'S GO FORWARD. OKAY, THIS IS, JOSH, THIS IS THE TIME TO SAY IT. THIS IS A TIME FOR DISCUSSION. BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THAT I KNOW SOMETHING THE REST OF MY COUNCIL DOESN'T KNOW SO YOU ARE GOING TO BE -- WELL THEN AS A COUNCILMEMBER TO YOUR COLLEAGUES, JOSH AND TO VOLUSIA COUNTY THIS IS A PROCESS. THIS IS IMPORTANT. IT BEGS DISCUSSION AND IN THE SUNSHINE.

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I'M GOING TO LET MY MOTION STAND, LET THE PROCESS STAND THAT I AM DISCUSSING PROCESS ONLY. THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO KEEP IT. WITH THAT, I'M DONE, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS?

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I FROM THE BEGINNING THINK THAT WE NEED A LOBBYIST OR DON'T NEED ONE AT ALL. THERE WERE PRIOR LOBBYIST THAT DID NOT MAKE THE LIST FOR MANY REASONS THAT THEY WERE LARGELY POLITICAL, PO BOX WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OTHER. I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT BY GREG SNAIL WHO NOW WORKS FOR LARD NER WHO HAS A PRESENCE IN DC. LARDNER WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK OUT A PROPOSAL. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR LOBBYING ORGANIZATION IS THERE BUT IT OFFERS THE SAME ADVANTAGES THAT RAY ROBINSON OFFERED TO US, OFFERED THE SAME OF A LOT OF ADVANTAGES. WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY LOCAL WHO LIVES IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY WHO CARES ABOUT OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, BUT THERE ARE TOP FLIGHT LOBBYING FIRMS THAT I DO THINK WE SHOULD GET AND WE SHOULD GO WITH ONE AND HAVE ONE THAT DOES THE ENTIRE THING. THANK YOU.

ONE MORE THING, MR. CHAIRMAN, I CALL FOR THE QUESTION.

THERE IS A MOTION FOR THE CALL OF THE QUESTION.

I THOUGHT YOU WANTED MY HONEST ANSWER AND QUESTIONS.

THERE IS A CALL FOR QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE". ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

DEB, YOU DON'T WANT MY OPENNESS.

ONE MOMENT, SIR. I NEED A COUNT. FOR THE QUESTION MS. NORTHEY, MR. DANIELS.

I'M GOING TO GIVE IT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

MR. PATTERSON, FOR THE CALL OF THE QUESTION WAS MR. WAGNER, MR. DAVIS. THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED. THE MOTION --

THAT'S PITIFUL.

ONE MOMENT. ONE MOTION IS FOR THE RFP -- CAN YOU REREAD THE MOTION.

YES, IT'S TO SOLICIT QUALIFICATIONS FOR LOBBYIST TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY AND DISCONTINUE FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH ANY OTHER LOBBYIST WITH SEWARD SQUARE.

OKAY. SO THAT IS THE MOTION MADE BY MS. DENYS AND SECOND BY MR. PATTERSON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE". AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

AYE.

ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST?

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OKAY. HOW ABOUT THIS. THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF CHIRPING GOING ON. ELECTRONIC VOTE PLEASE. RESTATE THE MOTION, PLEASE, MA'AM.

SOLICIT QUALIFICATIONS FOR LOBBYIST TO COME BACK SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY AND DISCONTINUE FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH SEWARD SQUARE.

ELECTRONIC VOTE, PLEASE.

GIVE ME A MOMENT.

THERE WE GO.

ALL VOTES HAVE BEEN CAST. IT IS 3-2, MS. CUSACK NO, MR. PATTERSON IS YES, MS. NORTHEY IS A YES, MR. WAGNER IS NO. IT IS A 4-3 VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> ROBERT RULES. BELIEVE ME I HAD A COMMENT ON THAT. ITEM 4, PUERTO RICO HEARING FOR TRANSMITTAL HEARING OFF AN ADMINISTRATIVE TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATATION ELEMENT PLAN OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

GOOD MORNING, PLANNING AND MANAGER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR AN AMENDMENT FOR THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE CITY OF NORMAN BEACH EARLIER THIS YEAR AND PART OF THAT AGREEMENT SO TO FINALIZE THAT PROCESS IT REQUIRES ADOPTION OF A POLICY INTO THE COMP PLAN SIMPLY REFERENCING THAT AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY AND COUNTY ENTERED INTO. IF YOU CAN, PLEASE TURN TO PAGE 04-7. WE HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN, EXCUSE ME. THIS IS THE EXHIBIT TO THE ORDINANCE. WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THE POLICY BE AMENDED BY STRIKING THE EFFECTIVE DATE AUGUST 28, 2014, IF YOU REMEMBER ON OCTOBER COUNTY COUNCIL PASSED THE EMERGENCY ADOPTED THE EMERGENCY ORDINANCE THAT MADE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ISBA IN THE LOCAL ORDINANCE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT SO WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU STRIKE THAT. AMENDING THE POLICY STAFF REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE IT AT TRANSMITTAL AND WE'LL TRANSMIT TO THE STATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE RIGHT HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANY OTHER STAFF DISCUSSION? NO FURTHER STAFF REPORT. YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A SEAT RIGHT THERE AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON ITEM 4?

NO.

THERE IS NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THIS ISSUE. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND COUNTY COUNCIL.

MR. DANIELS? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND.

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE". ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. 6-0. MR. WAGNER IS NOT IN THE ROOM AT THE MOMENT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NO. 5. ITEM NO. 5 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT. THAT WORKS OUT. ITEM NO. 6 IS A CONTRACT WITH THE RUNNING ZONE RACE MANAGEMENT INC . IS THIS THAT FOOTRACE?

YES. JAY WILL GET INTO THE DETAILS. I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE ARE, THAT WE HAVE TO POSTPONE THIS YEAR'S RACE BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION AT THE TRACK. WHAT WE FOUND IN THE PAST WAS THAT THE RACE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS BEING HANDLED BY THE GROUP WE HAD TOGETHER WITH THE TIME THEY WERE DOING IT AND HOW IT WAS ORGANIZED DID NOT LEND ITSELF TO EVER GROWING TO THE SIZE THAT WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD. WHAT I DO BELIEVE AND THIS IS AFTER TALKING WITH THE SPEEDWAY. WE BOTH BELIEVE WE SHOULD GROW THIS RACE TOGETHER AND THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE IF YOU THE TO GET OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THE HOP BOARD AND TO RACE WITH US. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU DO IT RIGHT AND GROW IT OR WE DECIDE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT OURSELVES ON THE MAP AND TO ALSO PULL OUR HEADS IN BIDS AT A TIME WHEN THE HOTEL CAN USE THE PEOPLE AND THIS IS A WHOLE NEW DEMOGRAPHIC. I WILL TELL YOU THIS WITH A ONE OPEN, I THINK THE SPEEDWAY SEE'S THIS DIFFERENTLY THAN THE RUN ON THE TRACK BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT FUNCTION ACROSS THE STREET WOULD REALLY BENEFIT BY THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ALL OF THESE RUNNERS. THE OTHER THING IS IN KEEPING WITH COMMENT WITH MS. NORTHEY MADE. IT'S FUNNY HOW YOU START TO RUN THESE THINGS OUT THAT THERE SHOULD BE A 2-DAY EVENT. WE THINK IT WOULD PUT US ON THE MAP, THE TRAILS MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT TIME OF YEAR. DAVE, WHY DON'T YOU TELL THEM ABOUT THE RIGHT PARTY WE HAVE THAT FOUND THE EXPERIENCE. >> GOOD MORNING, I'M DAY OF BYRON, THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. I DON'T THINK THE RACETRACK IS ENORMOUS. I'M NOT A RUNNER LIKE HIM BUT CLEARLY WITH THE UNIQUENESS WITH THE COURSE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY WITH THE TRACK AND TO THE BEAUTIFUL BRIDGE WAY AND TO THE BEACH IT'S A COURSE THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN OFFER. IT OCCURRED TO US AS WE WATCHED THE FIRST TWO OR THREE RACES AND SO FORTH THAT THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS BY PUTTING TOGETHER MORE OF A COUNTY WIDE KIND OF A STRUCTURE WITH SOME ADMINISTRATION BY A RACE MANAGEMENT FIRM AUGMENTED BY THE RESOURCES OF COUNTY STAFF COMMUNITY INFORMATION, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION AND BEACH FOLKS AND SO FORTH. I THINK WE HAVE THE RESOURCES ALONG WITH THE TREMENDOUS EXPERTISE THAT THE SPEEDWAY HAS TO REALLY GROW THIS RACE INTO A NATIONALLY KNOWN EVENT LIKE MR. DENINE HAS TOLD YOU WITH THOUSANDS OF RUNNERS AND THIS WOULD BE A GREAT EVENT IN THIS COUNTY WITH THIS GREAT POTENTIAL GROWTH IN OUR AREA. THIS COUNCIL HAS MADE A TREMENDOUS INVESTMENT IN OUR PARK SYSTEM AND TRAIL SYSTEM AND THERE IS A WAY TO HAVE SPIN OFF RACES TO DO SOME OTHER THINGS TO MAXIMIZE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AND TO GIVE LOCALS AS WELL AS VISITORS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RUN AND ENJOY THE OUTDOORS WITH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT RACES. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY, MAYBE WITH THE TRAIL SYSTEM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME COMPONENTS AT THE HALF MARATHON TO GIVE THE KIDS TO GIVE FOCUS WHO AREN'T TRUE MARATHON RUNNERS A SHORTER RACE. WHAT WE ARE DETERMINING IS WE NEED THE EXPERTISE OF A FIRM THAT ACTUALLY ADMINISTERS RACES AND KNOWS THE MECHANICS OF PUTTING ON A RACE AND KNOWS HOW TO HANDLE THE REGISTRATION AND TIMING AND COURSE SET UP, THAT KIND OF THING. WE CAME UPON THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD SOLICIT FOR THIS TYPE OF FIRM TO JOIN OUR EFFORT TO GROW THE HALF MARATHON INTO AN EVENT THAT WILL BE A SUBSTANTIAL TOURIST DRAW FOR THIS COUNTY. I THINK WE CAN GROW THIS RACE FAIRLY QUICKLY AS YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD, WE CAN'T DO THE 2015 RACE FOR THE REASON OF THE EXPANSION OF THE RENOVATION OF THE SPEEDWAY, THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THE STRUCTURE WITH THE COUNTY WIDE STRUCTURE, THE OTHERS WHO HAVE INTEREST TO HELP PLAN THIS AND ADMINISTER THIS RACE ALONG WITH A GOOD PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FOLKS AT THE SPEEDWAY AND DAYTONA PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET WHICH COULD BRING RUNNERS. THE RUNNERS IF YOU DO THE DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS, THESE RUNNERS ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT SPEND MONEY AND WILL STAY OVER NIGHT. WHAT IS BEFORE YOU IS A CONTRACT, A SELECTION OF RUNNING ZONE RACE MANAGEMENT, A COMPANY OUT OF MELBOURNE THAT IS DOING A NUMBER OF RACES IN CENTRAL FLORIDA. THEY HAVE A RETAIL COMPONENT, THEY DO EXPOS AND WE FEEL THEY HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND WHAT I THINK WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT FOR THE COUNTY. THE DECISION FOR YOU TODAY IS TO AWARD A 1 YEAR CONTRACT FOR $65,000 WHICH IS AN OUTSIDE FIGURE FOR 1 YEAR TO GET THE 2016 DAYTONA HALF MARATHON IN THE RIGHT WAY AND TO DO THAT. WE SOLICITED PROPOSALS AND RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES AND THERE WAS A UNANIMOUS BELIEF AMONG THE SELECTION COMMITTEE THAT THIS IS CLEARLY THE FIRM OUT OF THE TWO THAT HAVE RESPONDED THAT HAS THE EXPERTISE TO GROW THE RACE. IT'S NOT THAT NECESSARILY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY, IT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TOMORROW IN GROWING THIS RACE.

ONE OF THE THING IF I CAN ADD, IN FACT I TALKED TO MS. DENYS ABOUT THIS IS HOW DO WE SHIFT OVER THAT SOME DAY WE HAVE NO COST OR THE ACTUAL MONEY THAT COMES INTO THE RACE TOGETHER WITH MAYBE SPONSORS PAID .

I THINK THAT CAN HAPPEN, BUT I THINK THERE IS A MAGIC NUMBER YOU NEED TO GET BY. WHAT WE WERE DOING BEFORE IS A WONDERFUL RACE IF YOU WANT TO HAVE 2,000 PEOPLE. IF YOU WANT THIS TO GROW BY 6,000 PEOPLE, THAT'S WHEN YOU WANT TO GET EXPOS AND THAT'S WHEN HOTELS ARE REALLY INTERESTED AND WHAT YOU WILL FIND IF WE HAVE SUCCESS, AND I THINK YOU CAN, YOU WILL FIND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPONSOR THIS AND WE WILL BE CHARGING --

TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. MS. NORTHEY?

THANK YOU. AS I RECALL, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE MANAGER AND WITH MR. BYRON ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I HAD SOME CONCERNS, NOT ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID ABOUT THE RACE. I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD ON. IT WILL BECOME A MONEY MAKER. IT WILL PUT ONE MORE EVENT ON OUR CALENDAR AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE TIMING IS GETTING CHANGED SO THAT IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE QUALIFYING.

CORRECT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE EARLIER.

WE ARE LOOKING TO BE 2 WEEKS EARLIER WHICH IS A GREAT TIME FOR THE HOTEL. I'M ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THIS IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL. THAT IS NOT MY ISSUE AT ALL. MY ISSUE IS THAT WE HAD TWO RESPONDERS AND WE HAVE TWO FIRMS LOCALLY. ONE, I WILL JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE, I THINK COUNCIL MADE A MISTAKE WHEN WE EXTRACTED OURSELVES FROM THE COLLECTION PROCESS AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NEXT YEAR TO RECONSIDER THAT TO PUT COUNCILMEMBERS IN THE SELECTION PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK WE BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE. ON THIS PARTICULAR BID, I'M SURE THE FIRM THAT THE COMMITTEE RUNNING ZONE RACE MANAGEMENT SELECTED A GOOD FIRM, BUT WE HAVE LOCAL COMPANIES THAT DO THE SAME THING AND YOU HAD ADVISED ME WHEN I ASKED ABOUT ALTA VISTA, I CONTACTED JOHN TO FIND OUT AND JOHN IS LISTED AS A TIMER IN THE FINAL MILE PROPOSAL, AND HE SAYS TO ME THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH EVERY MAJOR HALF MARATHON . THE AREA AND HE TAUGHT PEOPLE HOW TO TIME RACES. MY CONCERN IS WE ARE TRYING TO SUPPORT OUR --

MS. NORTHEY'S COMMENT WE HAVE A LEVEL TO GET TO AND WE HAVE TO GET THERE QUICK.

OKAY. MOVE APPROVAL.

I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. SECOND FROM MR. WAGNER. WAS THAT THE SECOND? I HAVE A QUESTION. MS. NORTHEY BRINGS UP A VERY VALID QUESTION. WHY DID WE NOT HAVE ANY LOCAL VENDORS TRY TO PICK UP THIS CONTRACT?

WE HAD ONE LOCAL FIRM THAT RESPONDED. THIS WERE TWO RESPONSES, ONE FROM THE MELBOURNE COMPANY THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING AND THE OTHER LOCAL COMPANY WHICH WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH AND IT'S A VERY YOUNG COMPANY. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER SMALLER LOCAL COMPANIES TO GET INVOLVED. WE JUST HAVE TO GET THIS STRUCTURE OFF THE GROUND AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THOSE FIRMS AND THE FIRM THAT MS. NORTHEY IS REFERRING TO REALLY SPECIALIZES IN TIMING. I HAVE KNOWN JOHN FOR YEARS, A VERY CAPABLE GUY. BUT I THINK THE BALL THE WATCH HERE IS THE GROWTH TO THIS RACE AND A COMPANY THAT CAN GROW THIS RACE TO THE MAGNITUDE THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IF WE BUILD THE ORGANIZED STRUCTURE AND GETTING THEM INVOLVED WE CAN HAVE OTHER RESOURCES TO COME INTO PLAY.

CORRECT, WE MAY WANT TO RUN SOME SMALLER RACES AND SOME OF THE SMALLER FIRMS MAYBE THE ONES WE WANT TO USE.

I CAN ALSO SEE THE CBG JOINING US.

IF THIS DOESN'T GET PASS TO BEING FUNDING. IF WE DON'T GET A KICK START, THEN I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO RECOMMEND WE DON'T DO IT.

HAS ANYONE SAID THIS IS AN OFFER.

WHEN YOU GET TO 10 OR $15,000 THEY WILL THINK IT'S THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY EACH YEAR. THE PROBLEM IS WE ARE NOT GROWING BECAUSE THE COMPANY WE HAVE ISN'T CAPABLE OF THAT. THERE IS A CERTAIN TIPPING POINT WHERE THEY WILL GET INTERESTED IN. WHEN YOU SHOW 5 OR 6,000 PEOPLE IN AN EXPO, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

I HAVE TALKED TO CARL WATSON ABOUT THIS, THE PROBLEM I THINK WE HAD PREVIOUSLY IS WE DIDN'T HAVE THE KIND OF STRUCTURE THAT BROUGHT EVERYONE TO DYNAMICS HERE AND IT'S THE MIND-SET THESE DAYS IN OUR TOURISM GROUPS.

OKAY. VERY WELL, SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTS, THERE ARE NO COMMENTS. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON THE TABLE FOR THE CONTRACT WITH THE RUNNING ZONE RACE MANAGEMENT INC FOR RAISE MANAGEMENT CONTRACT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, "AYE". OPPOSED. SO CARRIED, 6-0. MS. NORTHEY IS NOT PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. WE DID THAT A LOT QUICKER THAN I THOUGHT. WE WILL GO TO COUNCILMEMBERS ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE A 12:00 DISCUSSION. SO WE'LL GO WITH COUNCILMEMBER TIME ON THAT. MR. WAGNER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR ITEMS, CLOSING COMMENTS?

THE FIRST ITEM I HAVE IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON GOING FOR A WHILE. I LET JIM KNOW I WAS BRINGING THIS UP. A WHILE BACK THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO ALLOW NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE SUPPORT IN SOME MANNER, MAYBE THROUGH GRANTS, FOR EXAMPLE STUART MARCH MAN ACTS THAT IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A PROGRAM TO INCREASE THEIR BOAT TRAN PASSES. BASICALLY IDEA BEHIND IT WAS TO KEEP THE REVENUE THE SAME BUT TO IN ACCRUES THEIR PASSES TO FIGURE OUT ONE WAY TO TALK THROUGHOUT THE YEARS IF THEY SPEND $5,000 FOR BUS PASSES. IF THEY KEEP THE SAME AMOUNT THEY ARE SPENDING $5,000 THAT WE CAN KEEP THE BUSES THEY ARE USING THAT IT'S NOT FOR EMPLOYEES, IT'S FOR THE ACTUAL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THEY ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO HELP. STAFF WORKED THROUGH IT BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FORMAL MEETING TO WORK THROUGH IT. I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS REALLY DISCUSSED IT. I THINK IT WAS THE LAST ONE. WE GOT SO BUSY AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US COME BACK ON THE AGENDA MORE OF A FORMAL MANNER. I KNOW A LOT OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE GETTING PASSES.

IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, MR. CHAIR, WHAT MR. WAGNER IS TALKING ABOUT AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL, WHAT HE'S ASKING IF WE SHOULD BRING FORTH FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, AN ATTEMPT TO USE, THIS IS REAL IMPORTANT, THE EXISTING CAPACITY IN VOTE TRAN WITHOUT NEGATIVELY AFFECTING THEIR FINANCIAL IMPACT. FOR PROGRAMS, THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL TO PROGRAMS, ALCOHOL PROGRAMS, WHATEVER, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LITTLE MONEY, OR FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEONE THAT THEY ARE WORKING WITH THAT HAS A JOB AND THEY ARE TRYING TO GET HIM ON HIS FEET AND THAT PERSON DOESN'T HAVE MUCH MONEY. WHAT MR. WAGNER IS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT THE COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHAT HE'S ASKING IS SHOULD THE ADMINISTRATION BE CHARGED WITH A CONCEPT GOING FORWARD. THOSE THAT YOU GIVE THE PASSES TO, SAY THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER PLACES. FOR EXAMPLE SAY THEY SPENT $5,000 WORTH OF MONEY FOR PASSES, INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM $5,000 FOR PASSES, YOU GIVE THEM $10,000 AND THEY CAN'T GIVE IT TO EMPLOYEES. THAT WAS THE CONCEPT TO GET TO PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO USE IT. IT'S A SOCIAL SERVICE ISSUE OF TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE MUCH MONEY THAT REALLY CAN'T AFFORD TO USE THE BUS SYSTEM AS A WAY TO GET STARTED. I HAVE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF COUNCILMEMBERS ON THE OLD COUNCIL THAT EVEN ON-THE-JOB PROGRAM MAYBE SOMEONE GOES OUT OF THEIR WAY TO HIRE SOMEBODY AND MAYBE SOMEBODY GETS OUT OF JAIL OR HAS DRUG PROBLEMS, MAYBE THAT PERSON CAN HAVE A PASS FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET BACK AND FORTH TO WORK. THE THEORY IS GOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE CAPACITY, EMPTY SEATS WITH NOBODY IN THEM BUT HOW DO YOU UNDERMINE THE BUSINESS OF VOTE TRAN. IF YOU TRY THIS AS AN EXPERIMENT, WOULD BE IF THEY MISUSED THIS OR DON'T USE IT CORRECTLY THAT IT WOULD GO AWAY. BUT I DO SEE THIS IN THEORY THAT THIS MIGHT WORK, BUT WE NEVER WENT ANYTHING FURTHER THAN THAT AND THIS ADMINISTRATION WAS NEVER ASKED TO LOOK INTO IT. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO DO IF YOU WANT TO PURSUE IT, DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER?

THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING FORMAL. THE AGENCY HAS BEEN ASKING.

OKAY. IS THERE ANY WAY OF ACTUALLY REALLY POLICING THIS. LIKE WE SAID WE ARE GOING TO GIVE $10,000 WORTH OF TICKETS TO GROUP A. WE GIVE THEM WHATEVER, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SURE.

THAT WILL BE THE AGENCY IF YOU DID SOMETHING FOR LESS. I THINK IF YOU WERE SERIOUS AND YOU DID AN EXPERIMENT, KNOWING SOME OF THE PEOPLE A KNOW AND SOME OF THE AGENCIES, IF THEY WERE USING FOR THE PURPOSE OF INTENTION, THEY WOULD FEAR OF LOSING IT THAT THEY WOULD BE GOOD FOR POLICING. THAT WOULD BE FOR EXPERIMENT.

DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS?

YES, WHAT IF WE PUT THE THIS C FAB BOARD, CHILDREN AND FAMILY ADVISORY BOARD. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT OVER SEE ALL OF OUR SOCIAL SERVICES AND HOW THE GRANTS GO AND WHERE THEY GO AND THE AGENCIES WE CURRENTLY PARTNER WHY AND IF WE ARE GOING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE CAN TURN THAT OVER TO THE C FAB BOARD FOR OVERSIGHT AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF AGENCIES. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE READING THE GRANTS AND KNOW THE HEADS OF THESE AGENCIES VERY WELL BETTER THAN WE DO OBVIOUSLY.

THEY ARE ONLY HALF. JUST SO YOU KNOW.

WELL, ALSO, THAT'S GREAT FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES, I MEAN WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. DRUG COURT, THEY ARE NOT PART OF THAT, WE HAVE THE VETERANS COUNTY, VOLUSIA COUNTY VETERANS COUNCIL, WE HAVE SENIOR CITIZENS COUNCIL. WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT COUNCILS AROUND. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY COSTLY.

YOU HAVE THE CLEARINGHOUSE.

OKAY. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT POLICING.

WE HAVE STAFF, THEY CAN HANDLE THAT. WE HAVE STAFF ON C FAB AND VOLUNTEER BOARD.

SO, MR. MANAGER?

I WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK INTO IT MYSELF.

IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK INTO THIS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TELL ME TO LOOK INTO THIS AND WE WOULD INVESTIGATE IT AND COME BACK WITH THIS. I DON'T THINK ONE SIZE FITS ALL, AND I THINK WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO UNDERMINE THE REVENUE FOR VOTE TRAN. BUT LET'S NOT KID OURSELVES, WE HAVE UNUSED CAPACITY. YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT CANNOT AFFORD THE BUS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE AND WE HAVE EMPTY SEATS. SO IS THERE A WAY AND I THINK IT'S JUST A COMMUNITY OUTREACH, IS THERE A WAY TO USE AN EXISTING RESOURCE THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SPENT MONEY ON. IT IS DIFFICULT AND I DO THINK THAT I THINK WHAT MR. WAGNER IS ASKING IS THAT I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF YOU ARE WILLING TO DO AN EXPERIMENT AND YOU CAN TRY THE EXPERIMENT. WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS WARN EVERYONE IS IF IT STARTS TO UNDERMINE VOTE TRAN, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. IT'S NOT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO DO THAT. I'M WILLING TO LOOK, THIS IS NOT A NEW IDEA. I'M WILLING TO LOOK IF YOU WANT AS AN EXPERIMENT. ALL I NEED IS SOME GUIDANCE. BEFORE IT NEVER WENT ANYWHERE.

OKAY, MS. CUSACK, DID YOU TURN YOUR BUTTON OFF? MS. NORTHSIDE NORTHEY ?

I DO SHARE YOUR CONCERN AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SOCIAL SERVICES AGENCY DID NOT GET TOGETHER. I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST GIVING THEM SEATS ON THE BUS.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IF THEY PAY US A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY. IT WILL BE LIKE A DISCOUNT. IF YOU DISCOUNT THE SEATS LIKE 50%, IF YOU DO IT FOR 20% YOU WOULD GET DIFFERENT.

BUT MONITORING THAT ONCE THE TICKETS ARE GIVEN AWAY IS DIFFICULT.

ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.

YEAH, I WOULD PASS ON IT.

MS. CUSACK? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULDN'T PASS ON IT. I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHY WE SHOULD OR NOT GO FORWARD AND WHAT WOULD BE THE DOWN SIZE IN NOT GOING FORWARD AS WELL AS THE UPSIDE IN GOING FORWARD. I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO NOT TURN A DEAF EAR TO THIS NEED AND ALSO BE SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT IT COULD BE COSTLY BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL YOU CAN REALLY EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY. MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ASK STAFF TO FURTHER EXPLORE THIS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH FOR DENYING.

I WAS GOING TO START ON THAT CONVERSATION. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? MR. WAGNER? MR. PATTERSON, ANY OBJECTION?

WITH DEEP RESERVATION.

GO FORTHWITH DEEP RESERVATION. MS. DENYS?

I WILL GO FORWARD BUT AGAIN WITH DEEP RESERVATIONS.

THAT'S WHY THEY ARE GOING TO EXPLORE. MR. DANIELS?

I WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD. I HAVE LESS DEEP RESERVATIONS THAN THE OTHERS.

YOU HAVE SHALLOW RESERVATION?

I HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS TOO. WE HAVE A 6-1 TO GO FORTH.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT. WE'LL ENGAGE DISCUSSION WITH THIS SPECIFIC AGENCY TO TRY TO SOLICIT INPUT AND HOW WOULD THEY SEE IT AND HOW WOULD THEY POLICE IT AND I WOULD GET THE USERS INVOLVED TO GIVE ME SOME PERSPECTIVE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. IT WILL BE A LITTLE WHILE FROM THAT. WE'LL MAYBE NOT PUT IT ON THE FRONT BURNER BUT IN THE MIDDLE BURNER.

WE'LL HEAR ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE.

ANYTHING ELSE, MR. WAGNER, YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.

YES. I'M GOING TO GET INTO THE FRACTURENESS OF THE COUNCIL. I DO BELIEVE THE LETTER IS CORRECT. I TRIED AT THE LAST MEETING TO SAY LET'S MOVE ON, LET'S MOVE ON. AT THIS MEETING I TRIED IT AS WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEING HEARD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK SOME PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE ON. I THINK SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO SYSTEMATICALLY HAVE NEGATIVITY, SYSTEMATICALLY HAVE FRACTURE. COUNCILS THAT WORK TOGETHER, COUNCILS THAT HAVE OPEN DISCUSSIONS AND COUNCIL LIKE DENYS WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN VOTES WHEN THE CHAIR HASN'T SPOKEN. I LITERALLY OPENED UP TO TRY TO CALM THE ROOM WITH A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHTHEARTEDNESS TO GET TO THE FRACTURENESS. I FEEL WE ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL. I HAVE MY 20TH YEAR ANNIVERSARY AND I OFTEN THINK AM I THE PROBLEM. AM I PART OF THE CANCER THAT'S BECOME THE COUNTY COUNCIL. I LOOK TO SPECIFIC TIMES AND GO, OKAY, I WAS ON PRIOR COUNTY COUNCILS THAT WORKED VERY WELL, JOE ALEXANDER, SHE AND I ARGUED CONSTANTLY. WE CAN GO AT IT. WE ARE POLAR OPPOSITE. I WOULD EAT AND DRINK WITH JOEY AND I CONSIDER HER A FRIEND AND I LIKE HER A LOT. I THINK SHE'S A GREAT PERSON THEN JACK WOULD COME OUT AND HE'S A GOOD GUY AND I APPRECIATE HIS INPUT. THROUGHOUT THE TIME IT WAS A VERY CORDIAL COUNCIL. THERE WERE TIMES WHEN PAT AND I WOULD AGREE AND DISAGREE AND ONE ISSUE IN PARTICULAR WAS THE LOCAL PREFERENCE. INSTEAD OF IT TRYING TO GET THE 4-3 WHICH APPEARS TO BE THIS COUNCIL'S GOAL. I WORKED WITH HER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK SOME VOTES WERE NEEDED TO GET THAT BUT THEY WERE IMPORTANT TO HER AND THAT WAS I THINK HOW THAT COUNCIL WAS HANDLED LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS RATHER THAN JUST THE THREE VOTE. WHEN I SAY THE COMMENT OF HIGH SCHOOL AND CANCER, I THINK THEY DO EXIST. I DON'T MEAN IT IN A DEMEANING FACTOR. I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO REACH THAT CONSENSUS. I THINK EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL HAS A DIFFERENT FEELING OF WHAT IT SHOULD BE. BUT THOSE TIMES WERE GOOD TIMES. I ENJOYED COMING TO COUNCIL MEETINGS AND I ENJOYED CONSENSUS WITH PAT NORTHEY. IT'S BEEN UNENJOYABLE, AT TIMES IT'S BEEN DISGUSTING. THERE ARE CERTAIN MEMBERS AT THIS COUNCIL WHO I BELIEVE BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE OF FINALLY RECOGNIZING SINCE I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH COUNCIL THAT AT LEAST I FEEL LIKE I'M NOT CAUSING THE CANCER. BUT CANCER DOESN'T KNOW IT'S KILLING ITSELF AND I BELIEVE IT'S KILLING THIS COUNCIL. THE REASON, MS. DENYS THAT I THINK PEOPLE WILL CALL INTO QUESTION TODAY. THE REASON THAT THERE WOULD BE ISSUES AND THE REASON THAT THIS WOULD BE ONE THAT WILL BE IN THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE THEY HAVE MADE IT A MEDIA ISSUE, TWO, AND OUTSIDE SOURCES POLLUTED THE WELL WITH HOW THEY HAVE MADE US SEEM, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE VIEWED THAT YOU ARE FEEDING IT AND THIS IS WHY IT WILL BE VIEWED THAT WAY. YOU VOTED 4-3 VOTE IN A SPLIT 2 FOR AS FAR AS COLEN AND I TAKING OVER THE FIRM, A SECOND FIRM WHICH WAS HERE. I DO FEEL VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO THEM. I FEEL BAD THAT HE CAME BACK FROM WASHINGTON FOR THIS MEETING AND NO ONE ASKED HIM A QUESTION AND I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO AND I WAS QUICKLY SHUTDOWN. HE CAME FROM WASHINGTON FWOR THIS MEETING. INSTEAD HE WAS SENT RUNNING. INSTEAD WE HAVE A LOCAL GUY WHOSE WORDS AT THE LAST MEETING YOUR DAD WOULD BE PROUD AND WE SEND HIM RUNNING. I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GET AN RFP ON MY PERSONAL LIKE TO GET IT, TO THINK YOU'VE WON AND GET EXCITED, TO THINK MY HOMETOWN CARES AND SOMETHING I HAVE WORKED MY WHOLE LIFE FOR, I BOUGHT A HOME, MY KIDS ARE THERE, I HAVE A HOME HERE, I PAY TAXES HERE, MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS ARE HERE. I KNOW THAT FEELING OF POLITICS RIPPING THAT AWAY. IT'S VERY UPSET, IT'S VERY HARD AND IT LEAVES A BAD TASTE IN YOUR MOUTH AND IT'S TAKEN ME 3 YEARS TO GET OVER IT IN MY PERSONAL LIFE. I CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE FOR JAMIE. THE REASON WHY, THIS IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT IT'S STRANGE AND TO THE OUTSIDE SERVER, THE WHOLE ISSUE IS TRUE. WE SUBMITTED THE LETTER AND EVERYONE GOT THAT AS OUR E-MAIL AND SUBMITTED TO THE STATE LEGISLATION AT LEAST OUR ITEMS OF WHAT THEY ARE. ONE OF THEM IS TO SUPPORT SPACE SPORT. YOU CAN SAY WHETHER YOU ARE FOR IT OR NOT, WE ARE FOR IT AS A COUNCIL. CLAY HAS FOUGHT THAT IN THE STATE. THAT WAS A CLEAR REASON OF WHY IT APPEARS THAT YOU VOTED AT THAT MEETING TO NEGOTIATE WITH SEWARD SQUARE FOR THE SPACE SPORT ON MAN SYSTEMS AVIATION TYPE SITUATIONS. THE REASON IT'S GOING TO BE VIEWED IN A POLITICAL MANNER FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. FIRST, THAT WE ARE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM, IT SOUNDS LIKE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONVERSATIONS AND WHAT NEGOTIATIONS WERE GOING ON THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING FINE. THE OTHER FIRM SUBMITS A LETTER, IT APPEARS TO BE BASED ON POLITICS, IT APPEARS TO BE BASED ON THE ONLY THING THAT HAD CHANGE IN A FIVE WE'RE PERIOD THERE WAS THAT ELECTION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE SAMPLE GROUP, THE ONLY THING THAT DIDN'T CHANGE WAS AN ELECTION. SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION, WHY WOULD YOU WAIT 5 WEEKS, THAT LETTER SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO. I HAVE TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION AS BEING POLITICALLY MOTIVATED AND THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS TO BACK IT UP. THE REASON THIS ISSUE STANDS OUT AND IT WILL BE VIEWED IN A NEGATIVE MANNER AND IN THE MEDIA THE WAY THIS SPLIT. OVER TIME THIS LETTER COMES IN, YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS FOUR VOTES THAT'S DONE NOTHING BUT TRY TO DO GOOD THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY ALL OF A SUDDEN GETS THROWN OUT BUT NO REASONS REALLY WERE GIVEN BY YOU ON WHY YOU CHANGED YOUR VOTE FOR THEM. I KNOW YOU SAID THE MONEY WAS AN ISSUE, BUT THIS STAFF TOLD US OR WE TOLD STAFF TO GO NEGOTIATE, THE TALK OF THE $58,000 THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE TO DO THAT WHILE IN NEGOTIATION WITH ANOTHER GROUP. THEY KNOW THAT. THEY ARE BIG BOYS, THEY ARE GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. THEY ARE POLLUTING THE WELL, I GET IT. SO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT IT APPEARS IS THE POLITICS WERE INSERTED AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BROUGHT IT DOWN. I KNOW THERE WERE TALKS OF MY FRIENDSHIP WITH JAMIE. I HAVE KNOWN JAMIE SINCE HIGH SCHOOL. YOU KNOW, I KNEW HIM, I WAS MORE FRIENDS WITH A BUNCH OF JAMIE'S FRIENDS THAN JAMIE ALTHOUGH I WAS FRIENDS WITH JAMIE. BUT JAMIE HASN'T BEEN TO MY HOUSE, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO HIS. WE ARE FRIENDS, I KEEP UP WITH HIM, FACEBOOK HELPS AS IT DOES WITH ALL OF US AND THAT WAS MADE It's more of a

FRIENDSHIP. POLITICS GOT INVOLVED AND THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BECOME, THE TALK IS GOING TO BE, WHO GOT TO DEB TO STOP THESE PEOPLE. THAT IS GOING TO BE IT AND I GUARANTEE IT AND THAT IS WHY IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE -- AND COMMENTS LIKE THAT WHEN DOUG SAYS, PEOPLE CAN'T SEE IT AND I'M GOING TO START CALLING IT OUT. I THINK I'M TIRED OF DOING THE OLIVE BRANCH, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING WHEN SOMEONE IS TALKING AND TRYING TO LISTEN TO COUNCIL. DANNY WHISPERS INTO HER EAR AND SHE STARTS LAUGHING. YOU CAN'T SEE THAT.

YOU DO THAT ALL THE TIME ALSO.

I DON'T DO IT AT COUNCILMEMBERS.

YOU DO IT.

PATRICK PATTERSON, DO I MAKE FUN OF COUNCILMEMBERS? I DON'T. BUT BASED ON WHAT YOU ARE DOING, DOUG, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. PEOPLE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS THINGS YOU DON'T SEE IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT, THERE IS THINGS YOU DON'T HEAR. WE EXTEND THE OLIVE BRANCH AND I HAVE TRIED. THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH TRYING THAT I CAN DO. AFTER A WHILE, THESE 4-3 VOTES. THESE 4-3, TO NOT EVEN ALLOW ANOTHER COUNCILMEMBER TO HAVE COMMENTS, TO CALL THE QUESTION IS JUST SAD. IT'S VERY SAD. I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN THE STATEHOUSE AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FIGHT. THERE ARE SEVEN OF US. WE SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, WE LIVE NEAR EACH OTHER, WE ARE IN A COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. CALL IN QUESTIONS, IS JUST SILLY. IT'S JUST SILLY TO DO. WITH A 7-PERSON GROUP. IT ABSOLUTELY IS AND IT SHOULD BE USED IN SITUATIONS THAT ARE VERY ABNORMAL. SO, AGAIN, I WILL EXTEND THE OLIVE BRANCH AND LET GO AGAIN OF THINGS BUT IT'S GETTING OLD. IT'S GETTING VERY VERY OLD. I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF THINGS IN THE PAPER. IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR ME COMING HERE WHEN YOU HAVE ACCUSED ME OF THINGS AND THE LAWYER COMES IN AND MAKES THESE STANDARDS OF LAW AND PUTS THINGS IN THE RECORD AND YOU ALL VOTED FOR IT, BUT I STILL COME IN HERE. I DIDN'T GET INTO YOUR ELECTIONS. I DIDN'T DO IT. WHY? FOR CIVIL ITY. PAT DRUG ME INTO IT. BECAUSE OF CIVILITY. IF YOU WANT TO START ACTING LIKE ADULTS AND WANT TO START WORKING TOGETHER, I'M ALL ON BOARD. BUT UNTIL THEN, IT'S YOUR MOVE.

WE'LL TAKE A 15-MINUTE BREAK. WE ARE IN RECESS.

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REQUEST JANUARY 3, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE INFORMATION BY THEN. THAT'S NOT THE DATE OF THE CELEBRATION, I DON'T THINK. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO F THEY COULD AGREE TO BE A GOLD SPONSOR FROM THE FUND THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IN THE MOUNT OF $2500, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE US WITH A TABLE, AND I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, AS MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL, IF WE COULD GO TO PAY HONOR TO OUR COLLEAGUE. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BE A GOLD SPONSOR. THERE'S DIAMOND AND PLATINUM AND GOLD SPONSORSHIP IS THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE FOR US TO NOT ONLY BE A SPONSOR BUT BE IN ATTENDANCE AT THAT AND PRESENT SOMETHING VERY NICE TO THE DOCTOR AND HIS WIFE AS THEY CELEBRATE THE MAN AND THE WOMAN BEHIND THAT MAN. I WOULD MAKE THAT, MR. CHAIR N THE FORM OF A MOTION.

SECOND.

MOTION TO SUPPORT AND BE A GOLD SPONSOR FOR JANUARY 3, CORRECT?

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE DATE BUT I'LL CLARIFY.

A DATE TO BE CLARIFIED. I HAVE A SECOND FROM NORTHEY YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, MS. CUSACK.

DID WE PASS THAT MOTION?

WE HAVE NOT VOTED. DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE.

NOT ON THAT.

MS. DENYS, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

I WAS GOING TO SECOND THE MOTION. I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES IT'S APPROPRIATE.

I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE DAVE TO DIG OUT OF THE ARCHIVES THE INTERVIEW THAT HE DID WITH JIMMY AT JIMMY'S HOUSE, GOSH, 10 YEARS AGO MAYBE. I DON'T REMEMBER HOW LONG AGO BUT IT WAS A WONDERFUL INTERVIEW AND HE CAPTURED NOT JUST THE FLAVOR OF THE DOCTOR BUT THE HISTORY OF HIM AND IT WAS INCREDIBLE. THIS GUY HAS SEEN IT ALL AND DONE IT ALL AND WE SHOULD HONOR HIM ON HIS 100th.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE PROCLAMATION BEING ISSUED, TO BE A GOLD SPONSOR TO HONOR THE DOCTOR, POLICE SIGNIFY BY AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MS. CUSACK.

THANK TO YOU, COLLEAGUES, FOR YOUR EAGERNESS TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS GREAT CELEBRATION OF THE LEGACY OF THE DOCTOR ON JANUARY 3, 2015. IT WOULD HIGHLIGHT MANY THINGS OF HIS LIFE, AND IT'S ENTITLED "THIS IS YOUR LIFE." THANK YOU. THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE, MR. CHAIR, TODAY. THANKS.

THANKS. MR. DANIELS, CLOSING COMMENTS?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ACQUIRE LAND ON THE BEACH FOR AN OFF-BEACH PARTY, A WORTH-WHILE CAUSE, BEEN SUPPORTED BY AT LEAST SIX MEMBERS OF THIS COUNTY COUNCIL AND WE HAVE REALLY DONE GREAT WORK IN GETTING THAT GOING DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S PROPERTY BOTH IN THE NO-DRIVE ZONE AND IN THE DRIVE ZONE, AND IT'S REALLY DONE WELL IN PLACES DOWN AT NEW SMYRNA BEACH AND THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT THERE'S PROPERTIES ON THE BEACH OWNED BY FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT THE COUNTY REALLY DOES NEED THAT ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO NEGOTIATE. THEY ARE OUT OF TOWN FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND THEY ARE HOLDING ONTO THE PROPERTIES FOR REASONS OTHER THAN WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY IS RIGHT NOW. IT TYPICALLY -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASONS ARE -- BUT TYPICALLY IT HAS TO DO MORE WITH INTERNAL COUNTING THAN ANY -- ACCOUNTING THAN ECONOMIC ACCOUNTING, AND IT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THE PROPERTIES BEING HELD BY THOSE INSTITUTIONS. THERE'S ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT WE COULD USE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND ONE THAT WOULD HE BE HELPFUL TO THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH, FINISHING OUT THEIR PARK, DOWN IN THE PIER AREA. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAYBE GAUGE THE INTEREST OF THE COUNCIL IN GETTING INVOLVED IN IMMINENT DOMAIN, NOBODY LOCAL, NO SMALL HOTEL OWNERS, NOTHING LIKE THAT, JUST FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, ONE IN PARTICULAR, ONE THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN CROSS-PURPOSES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD GO INTO TREASURE ISLAND, NOT SURE WE COULD AFFORD IT, BUT THEY HAVE OTHERS DOWN THE BEACH THAT WOULD BE IN GOOD LOCATIONS AND I WANTED TO TEST THE WATERS ON THAT. THANKS.

MR. DINNEEN?

YES. THANK YOU. I KNOW THE PROPERTIES HE'S TALKING ABOUT. JAMIE HAS WORKED WITH US, WITH ALL THE PROPERTIES SHE'S LOOKED AT AND WE TREAD LIGHTLY INTO THIS. THIS IS DIFFERENT. THIS IS WHERE SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS PRACTICE MAY BE HARMING THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY WANT TO ACCOUNT FOR LOSS IN THEIR BUSINESS. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU GO THAT WAY, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY FOR LESS THAN IT IS WORTH. IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, THIS IS NOT JUST US TRYING TO PICK UP PROPERTY. YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT BELIEVE IN SOME CASES THAT ARE HARMING THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE INTERESTED IN WHAT THEIR ACCOUNTING BOOKS STAY THAN WHAT THE LOOK OF THE CITY IS. IF THE COUNTY STILL SHOW CHOOSES, WE COULD LOOK INTO THESE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES AND TO SEE WHERE WE WOULD STAND AND HOW WE WOULD PROCEED IF WE WANTED TO GO AFTER THEM AS EMINENT DOMAIN. THIS IS NOT SMALL MOM AND POP. IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT HURT US TO LOOK AT OUR OBLIGATION AND SEE IF IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO FOLLOW. YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO TREASURE ISLAND, EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED WITH THAT PROJECT, AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE IN MY OLD JOB WHERE WE HAD THIS ISSUE WITH BANKS SOMETIMES WHERE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, WHEN THEY START MAKING CORPORATE POLICY DECISIONS THAT ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT SOMETIMES WE MIGHT HAVE TO STEP IN AS GOVERNMENT AND MAKE SURE THEY GET PAID FOR WHAT THEY OWN BUT TO MOVE THE COMMUNITY ALONG. IT'S PROBABLY WORTH LOOKING AT, AT THIS POINT. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO ANYTHING BUT LET US RESEARCH IT AND COME BACK WITH OPTIONS.

WELL, LET'S START, BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR, LET'S START ON THIS END THIS TIME. MS. NORTHEY, DO YOU AGREE?

SURE. DANIELS, YOU AGREE. MS. DENYS?

I WOULD BE OPEN TO LOOKING INTO IT, HOWEVER I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THIS PURCHASE OF PROPERTIES THAT THE ENTIRE COUNTY IS REPRESENTED AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA BECAUSE THE PURCHASES HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH TO THE NORTH AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BUT THAT'S ONE THING THAT I'M GOING TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IS MAKING SURE THE PURCHASES ARE BALANCED.

CORRECT.

WE HAVE BEEN TRYING. IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH OPPORTUNITIES BUT WE'RE CLEARLY LOOKING AT BALANCES.

I WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK INTO THIS AS AN OPTION, RESERVING MY RIGHT OF ACCEPTANCE AND GOING ON WITH IT.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT GOING FORWARD BUT INVESTIGATING.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INVESTIGATION. MR. PATTERSON? MR. WAGNER?

I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME. YES, BUT CAN I ASK FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS? AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING. DOUG BROUGHT UP THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICE. THEY'RE HOLDING ONTO IT FOR THE LOSS. IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, FOR TAX PURPOSES?

IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL. IT'S HARD TO TELL WHY BANK OR FINANCIAL INSTITUTION DOES ANYTHING. BUT WHAT YOU HEAR, THE SPECULATION USUALLY IS BY PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS, THEY SAY THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY WRITE DOWN THE VALUE OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND THEY'VE GOT A FIXED NUMBER THAT THEY WANT TO USE AND WHEN THEY GET DOWN TO THE NUMBER THAT THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY WORTH, THEN THEY'LL SELL IT. THAT MAY WORK FOR THEM AND IN THEIR CONFERENCES WITH THEIR SHAREHOLDER, BUT THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT WE NEED NOW AND THEY'VE BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME AND RUN DOWN FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY'VE NOT BEEN THE IDEAL -- THIS PARTICULAR INSTITUTION HAS NOT BEEN THE IDEAL PUBLIC CITIZEN AND IT DOES OWN PROPERTIES IN VERY STRATEGIC PLACES, INCLUDING ONE THAT REALLY IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK THAT THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH IS TRYING TO CREATE DOWN THERE ON THE BEACH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE PIER AND IT WOULD BE REALLY A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AT IT HARD.

ONE OF THE THINGS HERE, UNLIKE AN INDIVIDUAL'S PROPERTY, IN THIS CASE SOMETIMES IF WE GET AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE WE THINK IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE -- YOU NEED TEE START HOW IT'S EFFECTING THE COMMUNITY, SO WHAT IS YOUR BOTTOM LINE ON NUMBERS, AND IN SOME CASES THE COURTS WILL SETTLE IT.

IT'S HARD TO GET THEIR ATTENTION EVEN.

YES. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

YOU CAN JUMP UP AND DOWN AND YELL AND THEY JUST DON'T RESPOND, YOU KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON THE SAME MINDSET OF I NEED TO KNOW MORE. BUT I AGREE THAT IT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH.

MS. CUSACK?

AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY RELUCTANT TO DO EMINENT DOMAIN OF PERSONAL PROPERTIES IN PARTICULAR.

RIGHT.

AND IN THIS INSTANCE I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT.

IT IS DIFFERENT.

IT IS DIFFERENT.

LET'S LOOK AT IT AND COME BACK AND GIVE YOU OPTIONS AND TELL YOU WHY WE STAND. AS MR. DANIELS SAID, MAYBE WE'LL WORK SOMETHING OUT BY GETTING THEIR ATTENTION. YOU CAN'T GET THEIR ATTENTION. THIS MAY BE THE ONE THING THAT WOULD DO IT.

WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON IN TOWN THAT HAS A -- WITH THE OFFICERS OF THAT COMPANY THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL IN HELPING US ARRIVE AT A CONSENSUAL DEAL.

OKAY.

YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, MR. DANIELS.

THE OTHER THING, I WENT DOWN TO THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING YESTERDAY, AND WE'RE ALL TRY TO GET TOGETHER AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS ON THE LAGOON. THE NEGOTIATIONS SEEMED TO GO PRETTY WELL, I THOUGHT, AFTER A BRIEF FLARE-UP IN THE BEGINNING, I APPRECIATE MARY CONNORS AND JERRY BEING THERE, BOTH DOING A GREAT JOB. WE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN GETTING THE AGREEMENT DONE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MAYBE SOMETIME AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. FORMING THIS ENTITY AND HAVING IT BE THE ONE THAT REPLACES THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS AND BEING THE ENTITY THAT MAKES DECISIONS FOR THE LAGOON SYSTEM IS THE GOVERNOR'S IDEA. HE'S THE ONE THAT IS PUSHING THIS. IT'S BEEN -- WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT CREATE A NEW -- APPLIES FOR AND OBTAINS MONEY AND PASSES IT THROUGH TO ACTUALLY GETTING PROJECTS DOWN ON THE GROUND DOWN THERE. I THINK WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS. THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER COUPLE OF TWEAKS WE'LL WANT IN THE AGREEMENT BUT I THINK WE CAN GET THEM IN THERE WITHOUT TOO MUCH DIFFICULT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF I MAY COMMENT ON THAT. I WAS OVER AT THE CENTRAL FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COMMITTEE YESTERDAY AND THAT ISSUE CAME FORWARD AND I MADE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE, CLARIFYING IT, THAT, YES, MOSQUITO LAGOON, ALL OF VOLUSIA COUNTY, AS A MATTER OF FACT FACT -- [INDISCERNIBLE] --

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PAG , THE MAP OF FLORIDA, UNDER THE NATIONAL ESTUARY PROGRAM, IT'S ONLY THE SOUTH LAGOON. WE'RE PART OF THE NORTH LAGOON, WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE NATIONAL ESTUARY PROGRAM. WE'RE IN THE INCLUDED. THERE'S NO BOUNDARIES IN WATER. WE KNOW THAT. IT WILL FLOW WHERE IT CHOOSES, AND I REALLY LIKE THE SLOGAN THAT THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON USES. THE LAGOON MAKES US ALL NEIGHBORS. THAT'S TRUE. IT ALSO MAKES US RESPONSIBLE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING A LOBBYIST, AND ONE THING WE NEED TO DO AND BUSH AND GET OUR CITIES ON BOARD WITH US AND OUR CHAMBERS, WE NEED TO SOMEHOW, FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY, START THE PROCESS OF INCLUDING THE NORTH PART OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON IN THE NATIONAL ESTUARY PROGRAM. EVEN IF ALL THESE THINGS PASS, THAT'S ALL GOOD AND WELL AND WE COULD SAY, WE DID OUR JOB, BUT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE US, EVEN IF WE'RE PART OF THE COUNTY'S COLLABORATIVE ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. IT'S ALSO INTERESTING THAT AT THE STATE LEVEL, HOUSE SPEAKER FOLEY IS COMMITTED TO LAGOON ISSUES AND SENATOR'S POSEY'S OFFICE WAS AT THIS MEETING, AS WELL, AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, AND IN TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE STATE IS GOING TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT ESTABLISHING AN MSTU, WHICH IT WILL ALLOW FOR A SEPTIC GRANT FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND COUNTIES THAT HAVE IT AND HAVE BEEN DEEMED AND IDENTIFIED. THAT'S GOOD AND WELL. HOWEVER, IF WE DON'T GET THE NORTH PART OF THE LAGOON ON, YOU KNOW, THE STATE WILL PUT ALL THESE INTENSIVES IN THERE AND WE COULD HAVE OUR LOBBYISTS IN POSITION AND WE'RE STILL NOT ON THE MAP AND WE'RE NOT ON THE MAP. MR. DANIELS, THIS NEXT MEETING OF THIS PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION WILL BE JANUARY 23, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE PHASED AWAY. WE DON'T NEED TWO ORGANIZATIONS -- OR NOT THAT WE DON'T NEED TWO, BUT WE CAN'T LET VOLUSIA GET LOST GOING FORWARD AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE FIVE COUNTIES THAT WERE THERE, THEY DID MAKE AN ASK, ASKING FOR $50,000 FROM EACH COUNTY GOING FORWARD TO ESTABLISH SOME OF THE INITIATIVES. AND WHILE I AGREE WITH THAT, I STILL CAUTION -- VA LUCIAN I'M STILL -- OUR PART OF THE LAGOON IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE MAP. WHY HAVE WE NOT IDENTIFIED THAT TO DATE? THIS IS HUGE. OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT ON THAT -- JAMIE, HELP ME HERE.

IT'S RATHER CONFUSING AND THERE'S DIFFERENT FEDERAL ACTS AND DIFFERENT FEDERAL FUNDS THAT FLOW THROUGH AND DIFFERENT DEGREES SIGNATURE NATIONS. THE NATIONAL ESTUARY NAMED FOUR WATER BODIES IN FLORIDA AND ONE IS THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON AND TIGONS TO PONCE INLET. THAT DESIGNATION IS BY THE EPA AND THAT'S FOR CLEAN WATER ACT MONEY.

RIGHT.

THAT MONEY COMES THROUGH THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND MR. DANIELS SITS ON THAT ADVISORY BOARD RIGHT NOW. THAT BOARD IS SHIFTING SO THAT IT WON'T YOU COME THROUGH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BUT COME THROUGH THEM AS A SEPARATE BOARD AND THEY'LL FUNNEL THAT MONEY THROUGH. IF THE COUNTY CHOOSES TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT THERE'S AN FOR $50,000 FROM EACH OF THE FIVE COUNTIES. DEP WILL PUT IN 250,000 EACH WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WILL PUT IN 500,000 STRIKE ZONE MATCHED WITH $500,000 MATCHED WITH FEDERAL MONEY. THERE'S 24 NATIONAL ESTUARY SO YOU WOULD BE COMPETING UP AGAINST THEM, INCLUDING THREE OTHERS HERE IN FLORIDA FOR THAT MONEY. USUALLY THEY GET BETWEEN SIX AND $800,000 A YEAR. WHAT MS. DENYS IS INVOLVED IN IS THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COLLABORATIVE WHICH GOES AFTER CORPS OF ENGINEERS MONEY AND OTHERS. THAT MONEY IS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE EVERGLADES RESTORATION PLAN, OR CERP, AND THAT DESIGNATION STOPS AT THE SOUTH INDIAN RIVER LAGOON, STOPPING BEFORE VOLUSIA COUNTY. YOU HAVE TWO PROGRAMS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH TWO DIFFERENT DELINEATIONS AND IT GETS MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, IN ITS ANALYSIS OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON DOES NOT INCLUDE THE MOSQUITO LAGOON. HERE WE ARE WITH WHAT WE CONSIDER A CRITICAL PIECE, THE MOSQUITO LAGOON, AND WE KIND OF GET LOST, SO MS. DENYS IS RIGHT. WE NEED TO MAYBE BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE, WHAT OUR ROLE IS, AND TO BE ABLE TO STEP UP AND MAYBE HELP INFLUENCE THE NORTH END OF THE LAGOON.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE ALL SO BUSY AND I HATE TO SUGGEST THIS BUT WE THINK WE NEED A WORKSHOP ON THIS TO I'VE THIS AND I'VE THIS QUICKLY JUST AS WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING MORE PRO ACTIVE IN SECURING DOLLARS AT THE MEDAL LEVEL BECAUSE AT THE STATE LEVEL, AS I'M UNDERSTANDING IT, THEY MAY SHADOW THOSE MAPS AND THOSE DRAWINGS FOR THE UNIT , BENEFITING

THE STATE GRANT PROCESS, AND THIS IS HUGE. YES, WHILE IT'S AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THERE'S STATE MONEY, AS WELL.

YES. THIS MAP WILL CROSS OVER INTO AVAILABLE DOLLARS, SO LET'S SAY WE SEND OUR LOBBYIST TO WASHINGTON, D.C. AND THERE IS MONEY THERE AND WE GET IT AND IT COMES BACK TO ALL THESE PROJECTS, BUT GUESS WHAT? IT STOPS AT THE COUNTY LINE, AND WE'LL NOT HAVE DONE OUR JOB. I THINK WE AS A COUNCIL, AND THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS INVOLVED. IT'S CONFUSING. I'VE READ, REREAD AND LISTENED AND I DON'T NEED ANOTHER MEETING, NONE OF US DO, BUT THIS ISSUE IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH AND THERE'S ENOUGH AT STAKE IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, HAPPENING NOW, AND THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY, TO UNDERSTAND THIS MORE AND WHAT IS AT STAKE AND HOW CAN WE PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS? HOW DO WE AS A COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY GET THE ATTENTION OF ELONGATING THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON

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AND FOR CERP.

IT'S NOT ELONGATED.

RIGHT.

THE SOUTH AND NORTH PART.

WE HAD AT INTERNAL MEETING WITH STAFF LAST WEEK WHERE WE HAD SOMEWHAT OF THIS CONVERSATION. THERE IS A CORPS OF ENGINEERS FEESABILITY STUDY FOR THE NORTH END BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED IN SIX YEARS OR MORE, I THINK, SO IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED FOR US TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY CORPS OF ENGINEERS' MONEY. THERE'S A BUNCH OF STEPS THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH.

SO, WHEN I GO BACK IN JANUARY TO THE COLLABORATIVE, AND YOUR ORGANIZATION IS LOOKING FOR $50,000 FOR A BUY-IN? THIS ORGANIZATION? MY QUESTION IS, WE DON'T NEED REDUNDANCY.

I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE COLLABORATIVE IS WANTING TO ACCOMPLISH. WHEN MR. WAGNER WAS SITTING ON IT THEY STARTED THIS EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM AND NOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE MOVING MORE TOWARDS ACTUAL PHYSICAL PROJECTS AND THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD BROACHED PREVIOUSLY. NOW WE HAVE PHYSICAL PROJECTS WITH DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND IT'S THE SAME FIVE COUNTIES IN BOTH.

I AGREE. IF THE ONE I ATTENDED NEEDS TO GO AWAY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. PLEASE UNDERSTAND I'M OKAY WITH THAT, IF THIS OTHER ORGANIZATION IS MORE DYNAMIC, WHICH I BELIEVE IT IS, AND MR. WAGNER, YOU ATTENDED THE PREVIOUS MEETING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR IMPRESSION?

HERES MY THOUGHTS. IF THERE WAS A THIRD ORGANIZATION THAT BROUGHT THE FIVE COUNTIES TOGETHER I WOULD SAY GIVE THAT 150,000, TOO. THAT'S MY VIEW ON IT, COMPARED TO HOW BIG THE PROJECTS ARE, A SMALL INVESTMENT.

THEY'RE HUGE.

THE REAMTY, DO I THINK THE ONE DOUG IS ON IS MORE HIGH PROFILE, CARRIES A BIGGER STICK? YES. I THINK THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL AS EXPECTS TO IT. THE ONE YOU ARE ON IS MORE, I VIEW, AS A LOBBYING EFFORT WHICH I THINK IS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT, FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. I'M NOT KIDDING WHEN I SAY, IF THERE WAS A THIRD ONE TO DO IT. MY GUESS IS, AND THIS IS JUST A GUESS -- AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING AN ASSUMPTION -- ARE THERE 16?

16.

MY QUESTIONS IS THEY PAY A LOT MORE THAN THAT. THAT'S JUST AN ASSUMPTION. I APOLOGIZE IF IT'S A WRONG ASSUMPTION. BUT IF WE HAVE TO BE AT THE TABLE, WHATEVER ORGANIZATION IT IS -- BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, IF WE STOP GOING TO THAT ONE AND THERE'S ONLY THE FOUR COUNTIES THERE, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE LEFT OUT. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A THING WE JUST HAVE TO DO. ONE MAY EVENTUALLY JUST TAKE OVER BUT I THINK FOR THE TIME BEING WE'RE IN A POSITION TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL UP THE MEETING BEFORE THAT, I HAD LUNCH WITH THE SENATOR AND HE CAME BY THE MEETING AND SAID, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT, SO THERE'S RECOGNITION THERE. DO I KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING? I DON'T. BUT FOR NOW THE STATUS QUO IS LOOKING GOOD AS FAR AS THAT ORGANIZATION GETTING SOMEWHERE. I THINK IT'S WORTH THE MONEY, I DO, JUST BECAUSE THE PROJECTS ARE SO LARGE.

DOUG CAN SPEAK TO THE OTHER ONE, AS WELL.

MR. DANIELS?

WHERE OUR BOUNDARY IS, IT'S PONCE INLET NOW. IN TALKING TO THE TWO WATER DISTRICTS AND OTHERS, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MOVING IT UP TO THE FLAGLER-VOLUSIA COUNTY LINE. THE INDICATIONS YOU GET FROM THE OTHER COUNTIES, IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE THEM HEARTBURN EITHER. WHAT I THINK IS, AFTER THIS ORGANIZATION GETS FORMED, THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN. IT WILL MOVE ALL THE WAY UP THERE. THE TAG MONEY FOR THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON INCLUDES TAMOAKA BUY 16, SO BASIN. WE TALKED ABOUT GETTING THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO DO THE STUDY UP HERE, INCLUDING US AND THE EVERGLADES, WHICH IS SORT OF A STRETCH, BUT NOBODY SEEMS TO THINK THAT THAT IS REALLY IMPOSSIBLE EITHER. THE IDEA OF US ALL BEING INCLUDED IN THESE ORGANIZATIONS IS -- HAVING THE WHOLE COUNTY INCLUDED IN THIS ORGANIZATION AND BEING A RECIPIENT OF FUNDING IS A REALISTIC ONE. THE ONE THAT JOSH WAS ON AND THAT YOU'RE NOW ON, I THINK THE GUY THAT ORGANIZED IT, MR. FIELDING, VIEWS IT MORE OF A LOBBYING ORGANIZATION AND I THINK HIS FRUSTRATION IN THE PAST, IN WORKING THROUGH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT'S AND DEP AND EPA, THAT THEY CAN'T LOBBY THE LEGISLATURE. THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY CAN GO DO THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO TO OBTAIN THE FUNDING, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR WEIGHS OF DEALING WITH THE LEGISLATURE BUT THEY'RE NOT AS AGGRESSIVE AS HE WOULD LIKE TO BE. WHAT I THINK HE WANTS IS AN ORGANIZATION OF COUNTIES THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE THAT AND THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE SPECIFIC BOUNDARIES THAT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS AND DEP ARE BOUND BY. IT'S A COMPLICATED SITUATION RIGHT NOW. NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT.

ABOUT. -- [INDISCERNIBLE] --

SOME OF THESE SOURCES, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE LOOK AT SOUTH FLORIDA, THAT'S EVERGLADES MONEY AND IT WOULD BE A REAL STRETCH FOR US TO DO ANYTHING THAN TRY TO CAPITALIZE OFF MAYBE A FEW LEFT-OVER SOURCES, BUT I THINK LAGOON MONEY WITH THE STATE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO US AND I THINK WE'LL JUST HAVE TO PURSUE THE FEDERAL FUNDING AS BEST WE CAN. THE ORGANIZATIONS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR FUTURE IS. THAT WILL WORK OUT. PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW THE MONEY AND COMPETE FOR IT BASED ON THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH THOSE GROUPS.

ALL RIGHT. AND MS. NORTHEY? DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS?

I DO.

SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG TO GET THERE. WE HAVE A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST HERE. YOU CAN CLEAR THE SCREEN, PLEASE.

MY COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY ARE NOT -- I SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO BUT I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE ALSO HAVE VERY SIMILAR ISSUES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY, THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER, A ST. JOHN'S RIVER ALLIANCE, AND I HAVE BEEN -- I WAS THE COUNCIL'S REPRESENTATIVE TO THAT ORGANIZATION SINCE ITS INCEPTION AND I'M HOPING THAT AS I TRANSITION OFF, THAT THERE WILL BE APPOINTMENTS MADE TO THAT BOARD THAT WE WILL NOT SACRIFICE THE ALLIANCE TO SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE. WE NEED TO BE SUPPORTING, I THINK AS MARYANN JUST SAID ABOUT ALL FAUCETS, AND IT HAS THE SAME ISSUES YOU HAVE OVER IN MOSQUITO LAGOON AND THE INDIAN RIVER, WHICH RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE THE SEXY ONES. I DON'T WANT US TO FORGET ABOUT THAT AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL NEXT YEAR TO ENSURE THAT THE FUNDING IS -- CONTINUES FOR THE RIVER ALLIANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO VERY MUCH OF THE SAME SIMILAR WORK OF WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS ORGANIZATION IS DOING. THAT'S IT.

OKAY. MS. DENYS, ARE YOU COMPLETE?

I'M DONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. NORTHEY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS FOR COUNCIL TIME, CORRECT?

YES.

I WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL EXCUSE ME -- WHEN I LEFT THE ROOM, I DIDN'T HEAR BACK THERE THAT WE WERE GETTING READY TO VOTE AND I MISSED THE VOTE ON THE 13 -- THE HALF MARATHON, AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE RECORDED AS A NO VOTE ON THAT.

OKAY.

IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY?

YES. SO NOTED. CAN WE CHANGE THE RECORD THAT SHE VOTED NO.

OKAY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE POET PROCESS FOR SOME TIME. I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO BE BEFORE THE COUNCIL, THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING WHO SHOULD BE THAT INDIVIDUAL AND I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS BEFORE I LEAVE. IT'S A PROCESS I'VE BEEN DOGGING FOR ABOUT A YEAR. FINALLY, AS I WAS CLEANING OUT SOME FILES, I CAME ACROSS AN INTERESTING NEWS ARTICLE I HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE HOMELESS. CAN I GET YOU ALL TO TAKE ONE OF THESE JUST SO YOU CAN SEE. BACK IN '07 -- AND I SAW THE -- CHAIR BRUNO WAS HERE EARLIER AND HE WAS AN ADVOCATE OF THIS. IT WAS 76 BED TREATMENT FACILITY IN WEST VOLUSIA THAT SPECIFICALLY WE DONATED -- BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN IT -- $2.8 MILLION FOR A CENTER FOR HOMELESS. WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN CREDIT FOR THAT. WE REALLY HAVE NOT FOLLOWED UP TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING WITH THAT MONEY THAT WE GAVE THEM AND HOW THEY'VE BEEN HELPING THE HOMELESS. I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD GET A REPORT BACK ON HOW MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SERVED AT THIS FACILITY SINCE '07 AND WHAT THE IMPACTS HAVE BEEN AND HAVE THEY GONE ON TO CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY AFTER THEY LEFT THE FACILITY. I THINK IT WOULD GIVE US A GOOD WINDOW AS TO WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE OUT IN THE CENTER OF THE COUNTY. BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE SIGHT THAT THIS COUNCIL, THIS COUNTY GOVERNMENT, HAS INVESTED ALREADY IN HOMELESSNESS AND THIS WHOLE THING HAS BEEN MISSED. SO I WANTED TO SHARE THESE WITH YOU JUST SO YOU HAVE THEM NEXT WE'RE WHEN YOU'RE DISCUSSING HOMELESSNESS. I WOULD HOPE WE COULD ASK THE FACILITY TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO FULFILL THE OBLIGATION THAT THEY MADE WHEN WE CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR FACILITY.

MS. NORTHEY, IF I CAN ADD TO THAT FOR THE COUNCILMEMBERS WHO WERE NOT HERE --

THIS HAS BEEN ENTERED INTO THE RECORD ALREADY, CORRECT? IS THERE A COPY?

THERE SHOULD BE.

LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET THIS ON THE RECORD SO THAT EVERYBODY WHO LOOKS THROUGH THE NOTES OF TODAY WE'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS. SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING.

IT WAS A BIG ISSUE TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THIS WAS A DIRECT CONTRIBUTION THAT WE GAVE AT A TIME WHEN WE WERE JUST STARTING TO REALLY GO BACKYARDS. THE ONE THING THAT I SHOULD BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS PROBABLY THE ISSUE THAT SOLD IT IN THE END WAS THAT IT WOULD HELP PEOPLE, A VARIETY OF PEOPLE, BUT THAT WE WOULD HAVE NO ONGOING COST.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT WAS PROBABLY THE REASON WHY --

IT WAS A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.

I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY AGREED TO. WE SUBTRACTED THIS SPECIFICALLY FOR ONE OF OUR RESERVE ACCOUNTS, NONRECURRENT, JUST TO POINT THAT OUT.

I JUST REALLY WOULD LIKE THIS COUNCIL TO SUPPORT A REQUEST THAT WE ASK THE AGENCY TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHERE THEY ARE WITH ALL OF THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S IT FOR ME. EVERYBODY, HAVE A HAPPY AND WONDERFUL THANKSGIVING AND DON'T EAT TOO MUCH TURKEY!

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. PATTERSON? DO YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS? YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES.

I WON'T TAKE THAT LONG. I JUST WANT TO -- WE VOTED TODAY ON THE FIVE ACRES FOR THE DELEON SPRINGS ASSOCIATION. ONE THING I WANT ON THE RECORD IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PLAN ON BUILDING A COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION BUILDING FOR THE COMMUNITY OVER THERE, AND THE COUNTY WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE PLANS BEFORE THEY START ON CONSTRUCTION WHEN THEY RAISE THE MONEY. IT WILL BE IN THE SAME THING OF DELEON SPRINGS, THE SPANISH STYLE, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK TIM BAILEY FOR WORKING WITH ME ON THIS. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF MANY OF THE GOALS THAT THEY HAVE, AND THE COUNTY HAS REALLY BEEN BEHIND THIS JOB. THE SPLIT ZONING ISSUE THAT THEY HAD THAT THE STAFF HAD IN GETTING THAT RESOLVED, FANTASTIC. THE MEDIAN PROJECT UP THERE, WITH DOT AND THE MANE TO DO THAT, IT'S A GREAT PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN.

MAINTAIN. -- [INDISCERNIBLE] -- >>>

SOMETIMES I THINK THEY DON'T THINK THEY GET AS MUCH ATTENTION BECAUSE THEY ARE SMALL AND RURAL, BUT WHEN THEY HAD NEEDS, WHICH MR. PATTERSON POINTED OUT, THEY WERE REAL AND THEY WANTED TO WORK WITH US AND THAT'S THE NICE THING.

UP IN PEARSON, I KNOW THEY'RE GETTING EXCITED ABOUT THE BOAT RAMP AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO UP THERE, SO NOW I'VE GOT SEVILLE.

RIGHT.

THEY ARE SAYING, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR US. IT REMINDS ME WITH THE YEARS WHEN I WAS WITH ONE OF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES I WORKED WITH, NO MATTER HOW GREAT A YEAR YOU HAD... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR ME NEXT YEAR? IT'S ONGOING, CONSTANTLY! IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL THANKSGIVING FOR ME, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M DONE.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS AND I'M THE LAST ONE TO SPEAK TODAY. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE MY COMMENTS AND THEN WE HAVE A SHADE TREE MEETING. WE DID PUBLIC NOTIFY THAT ONE, RIGHT? WE'RE GOOD TO GO?

YES.

I WAS CONFRONTED THIS MORNING BY ONE OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OVER IN NORTH CITY AND THEY SAID, WHAT IS THIS MAYOR'S MEETING? I SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, AN ELECTED OFFICIALS ROUND TABLE MEETING, AND THIS IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AS WELL, AND ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS. IF THEY WANT TO GO TO THAT MEETING AND SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THE ISSUES AT HAND, THEN THAT'S FINE. BUT I GOT CONFRONTED THIS MORNING BY ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS OVER THERE SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.

AS PART OF MY UPDATE I WAS GOING TO DO AN OVERVIEW FOR THE COUNCIL ON WHERE WE ARE AND CLARIFY UPPER THINGS FOR THE MEETING.

OKAY. I'M NOT GOING ANY FURTHER THAN JUST THAT AND WE'LL LEAVE IT TO THE UPDATE. I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON ONE OF OUR ISSUES ABOUT THE LOBBYISTS, AND I JUST WANTED IT, FOR THE RECORD, THAT I THINK -- THIS IS ONE REASON WHY -- AND I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO. SO ON MY TIME, I GET TO SPEAK IT. THE REASON WHY I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH SUPPORTING THAT ISSUE WAS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TIME. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING IN IS GOING ON IN WASHINGTON, D.C. OH, BUT THERE IS. THEY'RE MAKING COMMITMENTS. THEY'RE NOT LIKE US. THEY GET TO CALL EACH OTHER AND TALK TO EACH OTHER ON THE PHONE. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND, IN DC, TO GET THE JOB DONE AND TO GET MONIES AROUND. LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOBBYIST AND WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WATER ISSUES. WE LOST OUT BIG-TIME BECAUSE IN WE WOULD HAVE HAD A LOBBYIST UP THERE WE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN SOME OF THE MONEY. I'M AFRAID THIS IS GOING TO TAKE TWO TO THREE MONTHS FOR US TO FINALIZE THE ISSUE. BY THEN, THE MONEY COULD BE GONE AND WE MIGHT AS WELL NOT DO IT. WE MIGHT AS SAY, WE'LL HIRE YOU AND START YOU OFF NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE BY FEBRUARY, MARCH OR APRIL, ALL THE MONEY IS GONE. WE MIGHT GET SOME CRUMBS, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS REALLY ON BOARD WITH JUST KEEPING THE PEOPLE WE HAD, TURNING THEM LOOSE, LET THEM GO AND DO THE JOB. IF THEY DON'T WORK OUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE NEXT WE'RE IF WE HAD TO. ALSO, I NEED TO DIRECT SOMEBODY AT STAFF TO GET ME THE MEETINGS FOR THAT CENTRAL FLORIDA PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING I WENT TO TODAY BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE IN THE RECORDS THAT THEY DID SAY RIGHT THERE TO US ON THE RECORD, THAT, YES, WE WERE PART OF THAT INDIAN RIVER LAGOON WATER PROCESS THAT MR. DANIELS IS ON. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THERE AND THAT I DIDN'T MISHEAR.

I WAS THERE ALSO.

THAT'S RIGHT, MS. CUSACK.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL THE WAY UP TO FLAGLER COUNTY.

TWO WEEKS AGO -- ARE YOU READY OVER THERE? YOU READY? TWO WEEKS AGO I MADE A PROMISE AND I HAVE FULFILLED THE PROMISE. WE HAVE A NICE LITTLE NEW MEMBER TO THE DAVIS RANCH. COULD YOU PLEASE... IT TOOK HER QUITE A WHILE. SHE'S BRINGING IT NOW. IT TOOK A WHILE TO DO IT. THAT'S A SIDEWAYS PICTURE. THIS IS THE CAT. THEY TRIED TO GIVE ME A WEIRD NAME LIKE KEVIN OR GEORGE, AND I SAID, NO, AND THE CAT'S NAME IS NOW SMOKY. SMOKY IS ADJUSTING WELL. THERE'S A BETTER PICTURE. HE'S ADJUSTING WELL TO THE HOUSE. HE'S A LOVEABLE CAT, ABOUT 12 OR 14 POUNDS. I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE PICTURE, IF WE COULD, WHERE HE'S JUST SITTING DOWN. HE'S COMFORTABLE AND EATING. THE ONLY PROBLEM, HIM AND THE LITTLE DOG DON'T QUITE GET ALONG SO WELL, SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT ISSUE, BUT HE'S A RESCUED CAT FROM ONE OF THE FERALS AND HE'S GOOD TO GO. WHAT? YES, THOSE ARE SLIPPERS NEXT TO THE BED. AND THAT'S BECAUSE --

ARE THEY BUNNY SLIPPERS?

NO. THEY ARE NORMAL SLIPPERS. WHEN YOU ARE A -- AND YOU LIVE ON A FARM, ESPECIALLY THIS MORNING WHEN I GOT OUT AND PUT MY FEET DOWN, I SAID, THIS WON'T WORK. I WAS PUTTING BOOTS ON. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING UP THERE. WE HAVE A NEW FAMILY MEMBER. WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LUNCH BREAK. WE'LL RECONVENE. OUR NEXT ISSUE STARTS AT 2:00 P.M. WE HAVE A MEETING TO GO TO SO WE'LL BE ADJOURNED -- NO, WE'LL BE IN RECESS FOR LUNCH UNTIL 2:00 P.M. >>>

SORRY, I BLOCK TO YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, PLEASE, COME TO ORDER.

GOODAFTERNOON, TODAY IS STILL NOVEMBER 20th , 2014. I HAVE YOUR FILE AS PERREQUEST.

LET'S START THE AFTERNOON AT 2:00 P.M. WE WILL HAVE AN ORDER OF BUSINESS OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. STAFF REPORT ON CASE Z 14070 REZONING THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL -- RESOURCE CORE DOOR ZONING CLASSIFICATION TO THE TOURIST THE EIGHT ANDRESOURCE CORE DOOR CLASSIFICATIONS .

STATE YOUR NAME IN YOUR POSITION AND EXPLAIN TO US ALL LIGHT WHAT THIS MEANS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, JAREN COUNCIL, SCOTT ASHLEY, ZONING MANAGER, THIS IS A ZONINGREQUEST -- ZONING CLASS -- TOTOURISTS, CONVERTING THE DASH TO -- TWO A HOTEL AND MOTEL UNITS THAT IS A USE NOT PERMITTED UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING WITHOUT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. BECAUSE OF THE -- OF THE PROPERTY AS URBAN -- TRULY NOT CONSISTENTWITH THE LAND-USE. WE SUGGEST THEY REZONE TO MORE COMPATIBLE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION AND ALSOADDRESS -- THE SITUATION OF THE PROPERTY IS 22,000 PLUS SQUAREFEET -- A MINIMUM OF 1 ACRE. [AUDIO NOT UNDERSTANDABLE ] ZONING CHANGE WILL ENABLE THE APPLICANT USE OF PROPERTY -- WITH THE CONVERSION OF THEBUILDING TO OUR MOTEL AND LAND-USE CONSISTENCY ISSUE AND LOT SITUATION. THE --OCTOBER 14 MEETING THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.

ANY OTHER STAFF REPORTS ON THE ISSUE?

WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORT SECTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. GO TO PUBLICPARTICIPATION. IS THERE ANYONE FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION?

>>THERE'S NO ONE.

WISHING TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS ISSUE. WE WANT TO CLOSE A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND CLOSE A PUBLIC

HEARING. BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION, I WANT TO MAKE A NOTE FOR THE RECORD OF MS. NORTHEY HAS HAD TO LEAVE TODAY AND MR. PATTERSON WILL BE ABSENT FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND HE SHALL RETURN THIS AFTERNOON.

THAT'S FOR THE RECORD AND I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT EARLIER. WE WILL GO TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION.

MOVE APPROVAL.

MOTION OF APPROVAL FOR MR. DANIELS, SKIN FROM MR. WAGNER. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> OKAY. I WANT TO WAIT FOR YOU.

NO, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU WERE DISCUSSING SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT

THERE'S AN ITEM COMING UP FIVE PERSON COUNCIL [ CAPTIONER CAN NOT HEAR, THE AUDIO IS LOW OR FAINT. ]

OKAY. AFTER WE GET THROUGH THIS WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. OKAY.WE WILL GET THE LEGAL OPINION IN A MOMENT. ANY OTHER FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION? SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CASE Z 14 OH 70 REZONING FROM THE JOURNAL COMMERCIAL AND RESOURCE CORE DOOR ZONING CLASSIFICATION TO THE TOURIST AND RESOURCE CORE DOOR ZONING CLASSIFICATION. PLEASE SIGNIFIED BY AYE.

ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED AND SO CARRIED, FIVE-ZERO. MR. -- AND MR. NORTHEY ABSENT.

ARE BE GOOD TO GO?

NOT THAT WE KNOW THAT ANYONE IS GOING TO VOTE, I HAVE BEEN IN SITUATIONS BEFORE WHERE -- YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY, BUT YOU DON'T WIN BECAUSE YOU FIND THAT YOU NEED FOR. BEFORE THE ITEM STARTED, THE PETITIONER WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RULES ARE BEFORE THEY GAME

BEGINS. I HATE TO USE THAT ANALOGY.

YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON.

I CAN HEAR YOU.

WHAT I SAID -- MR. WAGNER WAS -- MR. PATTERSON WILL BE RETURNING. YOU HAVE A SIX PERSON COUNCIL SO THE FOURTH PERSON WILL BE REQUIRED.

SO WE STILL HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE GENERAL COUNSEL.

SUPER MAJORITY IS REPORT.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THEPOSSIBILITY. IT'S UP TO THAT APPLICANT. IF YOU HAVE A SIX PERSON -- COUNCIL THEN IT WOULDREQUIRE THE NORMAL FOR MAJORITY

OKAY.

I GUESS WE WILL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET THERE. ITEM 33 IS OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING STAFF REPORT ON CASE AS 14060 SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING FOR THE OWNER OR MANAGER FOR THE EXISTING PERMITTED USE UNDERPROPOSED -- SOUNDS LIKE THE SAMEPROPERTY. PROPOSED TOURIST RESOURCE CORE DOOR ZONED PROPERTY.

SCOTT YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

SENIOR ZONING MANAGER, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR PROPERTY OWNED A ONE A INTHE -- REZONING CASE, APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SPECIAL -- SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING ON THEPROPERTY AND THEIR INTENT TO CONVERT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO A THREE UNIT MOTEL AND HAVE A FOURTH UNIT FOR RESIDENTS ON THE PROPERTY AND UNDER THE COMMERCIAL ZONING, THE RESIDENTS IS NOT PERMITTED UNLESS SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND TIE TO THE OWNER MANAGER OR EXISTING PREFERRED OFFICIAL YOU -- USE AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE. STAFF WILL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE.

WHAT WAS THE?

RECOMMENDED APPROVAL .

ANY OTHER? ANY OTHER STAFF REPORT ON THIS ISSUE? NO OTHER STAFF REPORT, WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORT AND OPEN PUBLIC DISSIPATION, MS. ZIMMERMAN, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION?

NO.

ANYBODY GOING ONCE TWICE, SO BE IT WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION CLOSE PUBLICHEARING.

COUNCIL DISCUSSION MR. DANIELS.

I MOVE APPROVAL WOULD STAFF CONDITIONS. >>SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION FORAPPROVAL AND STAFF CONDITION AND SECOND FROM -- VERSA MOTION IS FROM MR. DANIEL SECONDS FROM MS. DENISE.

CAN YOU STATE THE -- STAFF CONDITIONS QUESTION.

PLEASE STATE FOR THE RECORD THE STAFF CONDITIONS.

TO CONDITIONS ON 333 OF THE PACKAGE. THE CONDITION NUMBER ONE IS A SAFE PLAN SUBMITTED TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND -- MUST COMPLY WITH ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT

REQUIREMENTS. DEVELOPMENT WITH THE -- PREPARED BY ARCHITECT -- MODIFIED THESE CONDITIONS AND MODIFIED BY COUNTY REVIEW AND OTHER PERMANENT REQUIREMENTS. INDICIA NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL -- PLAN B FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE GENTLEMAN HAS JUST ENTERED THE ROOM WHO'S TRYING TO BE HERE FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION . IF IT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, WE -- WE WOULD COLLATED HERE FOR THREE MINUTES IF THAT WOULD BE ALLRIGHT. SIR YOU ARE HERE FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, WE GRANTED YOUR IS THREE MINUTES.

THAT AT THIS TIME, SORRY THANK YOU.

ARE YOU SURE?

IT'S BEEN INTERESTING. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THECOUNCIL? OKAY. ASSISTING THOSE FURTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTION IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF AS 14 OFFICIAL EXCEPTION FORSINGLE-FAMILY FAMILY DWELLING -- OVER PROPOSED TOURIST RESOURCE CORE DOOR ZONED PROPERTY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE, SIGNIFY BY I.

AYE.

ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED SO CARRIED. FIVE-ZERO. MR. PATTERSON AND NORTHEYABSENT.

OKAY. WE WILL NOW MOVE

ON. CASE S-14-035 - SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A COMMUNICATION TOWER EXCEEDING 70 FEET ABOVE GROUND LEVEL AND WAIVERS TO SECTIONS 72-293(23)(E)(5) AND 72-293(23)(H) ON GENERAL COMMERCIAL/THOROUGHFARE OVERLAY ZONE (B-4C) ZONED PROPERTY .

I HAVE TO READ ALL THESE THINGS. MR. ASHTON.

SCOTT ASHLEY,COUNTY MANAGER, THIS WOULD QUEST IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION COMMUNICATION TOWER. LOCATED AT NORTHEAST TOWER. LOCATED AT NORTHEAST CORNER OF LYNNEWOOD ROAD AND 15 A END OF THE LAND AREA. SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A FRATERNAL ORDER LARGE AND MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS OPEN CLEARED LAND AROUND THE BUILDING. AT THE CORNER SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARCEL CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION APPLICANTS -- TO INSTALL 157-FOOT TALL -- TOWER THAT -- THAT WILL BE DISGUISED, FLASHES A BLACK A FLAG POLEDESIGNED TO HAVE A LARGE ROUND BOTTOM AND A TAPER OFF TO THETOP AND HAVE A FLAG

ATTACHED . IT WILL BE CAPABLE OF ACCOMMODATING UP -- UP TO FOUR COMMUNICATION CARRIERS, ALL THE THINGS WILL BE CONTAINED

WITHINTHE POLL ITSELF AND NOT BE IN -- IN ANYWAY SEAN -- ANY WAY SHORT ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE, FLASH. THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE VARIOUS REGULATIONS AND ALIGNING THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE REASONS AND JUSTIFICATION FOR THE REQUEST AND PUT FORTH THE REPORT AND IN ITS ENTIRETY -- INTEGRITY AS PART OF THE REQUEST IS THE WAIVERS, APPLICANT IS SEEKING WAIVERS TO SECTION 72 TO 9323 E FIVE FOR SETBACKS BECAUSE THE CODE REQUIRES THE TOWER TO BE1004 SEPARATION FROM THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. THE COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT FOR ANY TOWER THAT MIGHT BE LOCATED LESS THAN 1000. 41 RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND FALL WITHIN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN 500,000 FEET. THE OTHER REQUEST IS TO LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT THAT STAFF DID NOT SUPPORT AND REFUTE THE POW SEE AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO STAFF CONDITIONS WHICH INCLUDE NOT FAVORABLE TO THE WAIVER FOR THELANDSCAPING. BUT THIS SUPPORTS DELIVERED TO BE A SEPARATION SETBACK STANDARD FOR THE TOWER TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCES. THE COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 5th 14 MEETING LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COUNCIL THE RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL

SUBJECT TO THE STAFF CONDITIONS ON PAGE. FOUR OF THE AGENDA ITEM. COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?

WE WILL CLOSE. WE WILL HOLD OFF UNTIL AFTER WE HEAR THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. ANY STAFF DISCUSSION?

KNOWS NO FURTHER STAFF DISCUSSION. WE WILL OPEN UP THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION. OKAY. I HAVE THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD LIKE TO

SPEAK. MR. PRUETT, FIRST OR LAST? WE WILL BRING YOU UP.

PLEASE FOR THE RECORD STATE YOUR NAME ANDADDRESS, IN THE CASE, NAME AND OCCUPATION .

THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MY NAME IS ROBERTPRUITT, ATTORNEY FOR VERIZON WIRELESS APPLICANT ALONG WITH ST. JOHN'S LODGE F AND A M -- A.M. LODGE. WE ARE HERE -- MY ADDRESS IS A 50 PARKSHORE BOULEVARD IN NAPLES FLORIDA. WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION. I THINK -- HAS MR. ASHLEY HAS GIVEN YOU A GOOD OUTLINE. YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR PACKET THE INFORMATION -- IN THIS PARTICULAR EXCEPTION. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THATIS WE LOOKED FAR AND WIDE AND LOOKING SINCE 2007 FOR A PLACE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS TOWER. THERE IS A NEED, I HAVE PEOPLE HERE WHO CAN TESTIFY IF YOU NEED TO IS A PLANNING BOARD DID. AS TO WHY WE NEED THIS IF THERE'S -- WITHIN THE SEARCH RING. THIS IS THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT'S EVEN CLOSE TO THE SEARCHAREA. WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY INTERESTED IN GO FORTHWITH IN THE LARGEST ARE INTERESTED IN IT. IT'S A, FLASH POWER. A PLACE -- IT'S A, FLASHED

TOWER. THIS WAS -- IS GOING TO LOOK VERY NICE. A PHOTOGRAPH OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. AS FAR AS WE CANTELL, WE HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY OPPOSITION SO FAR. IT'S AN AREA WHERE THERE'S A VERY IMPORTANT NEED FOR BETTER COMMUNICATIONSERVICES AND WE ARE HERE TO ASK YOU TO, PLEASE, APPROVED. WE PUT IT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WOULD DO THE LEAST OBTRUSIVE TO ANY RESIDENCES. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PLACES, COMMERCIAL CORNER. ON THE PROPERTY. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR HAVE SOMEBODY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. NOT A WHOLE LOT UNTIL WE GET ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

SIR. MR. CHARLES MILLION.

MORGAN, MILLION? THERE YOU ARE. GOOD AFTERNOON,SIR. FOR THE RECORD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

-- MILLIKEN, [ AUDIO NOT UNDERSTANDABLE ] GRAY STREET THE LAND FLORIDA. WHEN HE THE TOWER. WE HAVE SERVICE -- THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY SUPPORT [ AUDIO NOT UNDERSTANDABLE ] MISSINGCALLS. AND I APPRECIATE IF YOU APPROVE THE TOWER THE SERVICE THAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. EDIT WHEN CARELL JAN OH -- EDIT -- AND ONE CHORION OH. -- EDWIN CORRIANO.

192818 OH ONE SALVADOR STREET DELAND, FLORIDA AND I AM THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHN'S LODGENUMBER 37. WE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF THIS TOWER FOR MORE THAN ONE REASON. FIRST, WE HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE LAND FOR OVER 131YEARS. WE HAVE BEEN IN THECOMMUNITY AND HELPING OUT THE COMMUNITY AND THE LODGE ITSELF THE SMALLEST THE FRATERNITY, WE RAISE OVER $2 MILLION A YEAR FOR CHARITIES AND THINGS OF THATNATURE. THESE ARE THE GOOD THINGS THAT WE DO ALONG WITHBEING ABLE TO GET THIS TOWER TO HELP US BECAUSE IT WILL HELP US MAINTAIN OUR BUILDING RIGHT NOW, WE ARE LOSING OUR MEMBERS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE TIMES THE TIME THIS OR THIS NUMBER THAN WE USED TO BE. WE ARE GROWING, BUT IT'S TAKING IT'S TIME TO GETTHERE. THIS WILL HELP US GET MOST OF THE STUFF DONE. WE NEED IMPROVEMENT STENTOR LATCH -- LODGE AND HELP US OUT THERE AND AS WELL AS THE FLOOD TOWER BEING THERE IT WILL GIVE US THE PATRIOTIC -- WE HAVE A CURRENT FLAG TOWER RIGHT NOW AND IT'S KIND OF MEANS LITTLE HELP. IF WE GET THIS FLAG IT WILL BE A BIG

THING. ALSO, I LIVE IN THE AREA. WE NEED A SELF -- SELF-SERVICE BIG TIME. IT'S NOT THE BEST. TO GET ANY SERVICEWHATSOEVER. -- GREATLY UP -- WE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION?

YES, SIR.

NO MORE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLICPARTICIPATION. MS. DENYS, YOU HAVE YOURS LIGHT YOUR LIGHTFIRST.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMENT.

MOVEDAPPROVAL.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MS. DENYS.

SECOND FROM MS. CUSACK, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I DO HAVE ONE. ONE

COMMENT. WHOEVER WHERE IS MR. VERIZON? PLEASE,SIR, YOU HAVE MADE THE COMMENT TO MAKE THIS A FLAGPOLE TO PUT OFF A FLAG. BUT HAD THE SAME PROMISE FROM THE SAME ANOTHER COMPANY SAID WE WILL PUT UP A FLAG AND WE SAID GREAT, PUT UP A FLIGHT, THAT WAS NINE MONTHS AGOTHE TOWER IS COMPLETED, BUT THE FLAG IS NOT THERE. PLEASE DO THE FLAG. THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT THAT'S MY ONLY CONVERSATION ON THAT ISSUE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY I.

ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED.

SO CARRIE, 50 WITH MS. PATTERSON AND MISSED, NOR THE ABSENCE.

OKAY, CONGRATULATIONS. ALLRIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 35 APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE FOR CASE NUMBER CASE S-14-013 - SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A COMMUNICATION TOWER ON 4.36 ACRES OF FORESTRY RESOURCE (FR) ZONED PROPERTY I WILL NEED A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE ON THIS.

SO MOVED .

I HAVE CONTINUANCE FROM MS. DENYS. THE SECOND FROM MS. CUSACK, FURTHER DISCUSSIONS?

SEEING HIM. ALL THOSE -- ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, CONTINUANCE FOR CASE IS 14 -- ZERO -- 014 SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR COMMUNICATION TOWER, PLEASE, SIGNIFY BY AYE. ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED? SO.

SO. >> OKAY. OKAY. I THAN 36.

-- ITEM 36.

CITY BRIDGEWATER REQUEST OF COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT OUR PURPOSE RESOLUTION.

RICK CARL, ECONOMIC RESOURCES, WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY A REQUEST FOR THE CITY THE DELEGATION OF POWER TO CREATE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

AREA. IF YOU PERMIT MR. CHAIR WE WOULD START WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND GET AN OVERVIEW OF BE LIKE AREA THAT DOMAIN AND PROCEED TO THE CITY PRESENTATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. IT'S MY HONOR TO INTRODUCE --

MORGAN --PROPERTY -- VOLUSIA COUNTY.

HOUSE EVERYBODY TODAY? THAT MAY START OFF BY SAYING THAT I AM HERE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, BUT I'M NOT HERE TOTRY TO -- HAVE A VOTE ON WHAT TO DO. [ AUDIO NOT UNDERSTANDABLE ] THAT'S THE CITY'S BUSINESS. BUT I HAVE PUBLISHED SOME STUFF ON LOOKING AT THE LIGHT AND CRAS AND HAVE DONE SOME ANALYSIS ONTHIS ONE. AND FOR THOSE PURPOSES, I AM HERE. IS EVERYBODY SAYING, YOU GOT ACCESS TO THE SPREADSHEET, RIGHT? FOR EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WEBSITE -- I KNOW THEY SAW THE EARLY VERSION OF IT. IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. WHAT WE DID IN LOOKING AT LIGHT, CRA AS EVERYONE KNOWS ARE AUTHORIZED TO DO WITH -- DEAL WITH THE LIGHT. THE INTERESTING SITE THAT TO ME IS THE WAY YOU DO THAT IS IF YOU HAVE WHAT WE HAVE IN CONVERSATION CALLED BLIGHTED -- LEGISLATURE HAS UP BLIGHT -- EACH OF US COULD LOOK AT EACH OTHER -- IF YOU DROVE OVER HERE AND SAY THEY'RE ALL BLIGHTED AND THEY ARE ACCURATE. WHAT DEFINITION STANDPOINT -- AND CLEARLY ANYTHING

BLIGHTED. THAT ASIDE, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE STUDY I DID AND I DID SOMETHING I HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE. BECAUSE THE WAY YOU CURED -- CURE (DOT) US WITH MONEY, WITH THE GOVERNMENT. AND YOU -- YOU DOING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE PROCESS PROVIDING MONEY TO PUT NEW THINGS TO ENHANCE A FEW THINGS. THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS WE DID REVENUE ANALYSIS IS PART OF THE PRESENTATION. IT'S NOT BASED ON ANY NEW BUILDINGS. ALL OF THE REVENUE PROJECTED ON PAGE 51 I THINK IT IS, I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE YET, BUT WE WILL BE. THOSE ARE BASED ON EXISTING BUILDINGS WITH PROJECTION OF 4% A YEAR IN INCREASED TAXABLE INCOME WHICH I THINK IS REASONABLE. THAT IS WHAT WAS USED IN THE NUMBERS. LET'S TALK ABOUT BLIGHT FIRST. WHAT I DID WAS LOOK AT BUILDINGCONDITIONS AND BUILDING QUALITYGRADE. THOSE ARE SUBJECTIVEDECISION GENERALLY LOW QUALITY HOMES IN THE AREAS THAT WE WOULDCALL AREA OF BLIGHT. I LOOKED AT OUR DATA AND LOOKED AT AREAS WERE WE HAVE LOW QUALITY GRADES AND HIGH AMOUNTS OF DEPRECIATION. STRATIFIED THEM BY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY PROPERTY. LEFT AT THEM, COUNTYWIDE TO GET THIS IS THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN. AND THEN LOOKED AT THE CITYSTATISTICS. RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. THEN LOOKED AT THE EXISTING CRAS TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN THE PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DEEMED AS BLIGHTED AND LOOKED AT THE PROPOSED CRA. I HAVE DONE THAT NOT JUST IN THIS SPREADSHEET, BUT ALL THE EXISTING CRA'S SON ALL THE PROPOSED CRAS THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. ALSO LOOKED TO HIM I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE POWERPOINT SLIDE BY SLIDE BECAUSE THEN I HAVE TO WAKE UP WHEN I FINISH, BUT I WOULD RATHER NOT. LOOKED AT HISTORICAL VALUE LEVELS BACK IN 1992. COUNTYWIDE CITYWIDE -- CITYWIDE, CRA EXISTING CRA WHITE -- WIDE AND PROPOSED CRA WHITE TO SEE IS THIS AREA ONE WHERE VALUES HAVE CHANGED IN A DIFFERENT LEVEL AND THEN THEY DID EVERYONE ELSE. YOU WOULD EXPECT I WOULD THINK THAT AREA WOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME TYPE OFVALUE AND INCREASE THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THE OVER ALL AREAS OF OUR COUNTY AND CITY. ALSO LOOKED AT MEDIUM MEDIAN SALESPRICES. 25 YEARS. IN FIVE-YEAR INCREMENTS. ANOTHER GRAPH THAT'S IN THERE SO YOU CAN SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPOSED

AREA-- INCREASED OR DECREASED WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THE OTHER CRAS AND SO FORTH. I WILL NEED

YOU TO LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS. I AM NOT HERE TO COME TO CONCLUSION FOR YOU. I THINK IT'S A FAIR WAY TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THE LATEST THERE. HOWEVER, HAVING SAID THAT, WITH THE LEGISLATIVE DEFINITION OF BLIGHT, YOU CAN DECIDE ANYTHING YOU WANT. [ LAUGHTER ] WHICH IS INTERESTING. ON PAGE 3 IF I CAN GET SOMEBODY TO MOVE THE -- ON PAGE 3, THERE IS SORT OF A VIEW OF WHAT'S IN THE PRESENTATION. THERE ARE SOME PRETTY GOOD-LOOKING NUMBERS

PERHAPS I AM A NUMBER GUY, SO I MAY BE A LITTLE WEIRD THAT WAY. THIS GOT A DEFINITION OF BLIGHT CITYWIDE AND COUNTYWIDE DATA. THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BLIGHT RELATED DATA THAT I REFER TO THE DATA AND CHARTS ARE THERE COMPARED TO THE INFORMATION. AND THEN SPECIFICALLY THE -- IF WE COULD GO TO THE MAP ON SLIDE 35. THE PROPOSED CRA AREA SO THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE. YOU CAN SEE YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA THAT THE COVERAGE THAT'S INVOLVED WITH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. MOST OF THE CRA'S ARE MERELY COMMERCIAL. THIS ONE IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS, THE RESIDENTIAL HAS 1% OF THE RESIDENTIAL -- AND THE PROPOSED AREA. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS FOR BLIGHT STATISTICS THAT ARE PRETTY STRONG, BUT IF YOU'VE GOTHOUSING IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA, GENERALLY -- THIS IS AROUND THE -- ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE COMMERCIAL AREA. OTHERWISE, I AM NOT MAKING A CONCLUSION, BUT THAT'S FAIRLY -- FAIRLY ACCURATESTATEMENT. THAT'S GO TO SLIDE 36. IF YOU GO ACROSS THE TOPCOUNTYWIDE LAND USES WHERE 19%COMMERCIAL 75% RESIDENTIAL AND 6% VACANT LAND AND IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. OUR EXISTING CRA'S ARE 59% COMMERCIAL, 30% RESIDENTIAL AND 11% VACANT. THE EXISTING CRA'S ARE PRETTY MUCH COMMERCIALAROUND CENTERED AROUND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. THE PROPOSED CRA'S IN ALL THE CITIES -- ARE PREDOMINATELYCOMMERCIAL. CITY OF EDGEWATER STATISTICS ALMOST MIRROR EXACTLY THE COUNTY. THE PROPOSED CRA IN THE BOTTOM LEFT IS A LITTLE HEAVIER ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE THAN THE OTHER CRA'S THAT IT'S SOME SIMILAR TO THE WAY THEY ARE AS WELL. AND THE LAST THING WASNEW TO THE -- I PRESENTED LAST TIME LOOKING AT THE PERCENTAGE OF PROPERTY IN THE CRA. WHAT THAT MEANS IS 25% OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF EDGEWATER IS IN THE CRA AND THE PROPOSED YOU'RE A. 1% OF THE RESIDENTIAL THE 7% OVER VACANT LAND. LET'S GO TO SLIDE 15. NOW LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT OF THE

STATISTICS. LOOKING AT QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING APPRECIATION, COUNTYWIDE ABOUT 8% OF THE COUNTY RESIDENTIAL IS LOW QUALITY. THE CITY OF AGE WATER -- THAT'S 2% AND THE PROPOSED CRA EAST 1%. THEY HAVE SOME -- YOU HAVE RESIDENTIALPROPERTY IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONEAREA. IN TERMS OF DEPRECIATION, 4% OF THE COMPANY IS HIGHLY DEPRECIATED 60% OR MORE 1% OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER

IS FOR THE CITY IN GENERAL IS BETTER SHAPE THAN COMING. AND THE PROPOSED CRA, 12%. AGAIN, YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONED AREA PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE THE BEST OFSHAPE. COMMERCIAL WISE IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT PICTURE. COUNTYWIDE, QUALITY CONSTRUCTION 13% AND EDGEWATER A PERSON A LITTLE BETTER AND PROPOSED CRA, THE SAME AS THE REST OF THECOUNTY. THE BUILDING DEPRECIATION 23%, HIGHLY APPRECIATED 6% OF COUNTYWIDE. AND EDGEWATER 17% A LITTLE BETTER. AND THE PROPOSED CRA 26%. SOME SIMILAR TO THE COMPANY. THAT'S NOT AS STRONG,BUT THAT'S WITH THAN YOURS ARE. YOU CAN COME TO ANY CONCLUSION YOU WANT. I WILL

TRY TO TELL YOU HOW TO THINK. WHAT I WANT TO DO NOW IS GO TO SLIDE 51. AND WE WILL BE THERE FOR A COUPLE

MINUTES. I WILL NOT BE APPEAR A LONG TIME BECAUSE YOU WILL -- WILL TURN THE THREE-MINUTE THING AND I WILL BE OUT OF HERE. [ LAUGHTER ] HE DID NOT THINK OF THAT, DID YOU? [ LAUGHTER

] THIS IS SCOTT A LOT OF NUMBERS IN IT AND I CAN READ IT FROM HERE. YOUR EYES AREPROBABLY AS GOOD AS MINE. THE TOP PART OF THE EXISTING CRANOW, THIS IS A

PROJECTION, OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN TERMS OF MONEY FLOWING INTO THE CRA'S ONE THING THAT EVERYBODY -- THE MONEY -- MONEY GO INTO CRA -- GOING TO CRA COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE GENERAL FUND. THAT'S FACTUAL THE 492 AND DOLLARS TO 16 THAT WE HAVE. THE FIVE OR SIX -- IF YOU COUNTED TWICE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $60 MILLION OVER 20 YEARS. THOSE ARE IN THE EXISTING PROPERTIES. THEEDGEWATER ONE IS THE LESSER OF THE ENTIRE GROUP AT 5.6 MILLION. THAT'S ESTIMATED AT 4% APPRECIATION. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF -- ALMOST EVERYTHING IS 10%. AND MARKET SEEMS TO BE -- PRETTY WELL. THE OTHER STUFF OVER TO THE RIGHT IS LOOKING AT HOW MUCH IS THAT MONEY COMES OUT OF THECITY TAXPAYER AND HOW MUCH OF THE MONEY IS COMING IN FROM TAXPAYERS VOLUSIA COUNTY. IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL FUND. IT'S RUN -- IT RUNS ABOVE -- 56% IT'S COMING FROM SCHOOLS, ALTHOUGH IT IS STAYS OF -- UP 55% EVEN THOUGH THE SCHOOLS -- THE HOSPITALS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROMTHIS EQUATION UNDER THE ORANGE CITY MODEL FOR A LACK OF A BETTER TERM. THE MANNER THATTHE ORANGE CITY SALE WAS CREATED -- WHAT WAS DONE IN THAT CREATED WHAT I REFER TO AS THE IRON CITY MODEL. AND THAT'S DETAILED ON SLIDE 53. GO THE OTHER WAY. THIS MIGHT BE GOOD TIME TO LOOK AT THAT. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE OUT OF PLACE TALKING ABOUT IT. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT IT DID. I CONDENSED IT TO ONE PAGE EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS OUT THERE. BASICALLY THEY WANT -- WENT TO A 20 YEAR -- CREATED WHAT I REFER TO ENCLOSE AND TALKS ABOUT THE PLAN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN SO NOBODY CAN DEVIATE FROM THAT IT IS REVIEWED ANNUALLY DATE OF -- SETS UP A TRUST FUND IT HAD INCREMENTALREVENUES WHICH I REFERRED TO AS DECLINING PARTICIPATION. IT SET THAT UP ANNUALLY IN THE CHART -- THAT WE WILL LOOK AT SHOWS THATBECAUSE THAT'S ANNUAL RATHER THAN CUMULATIVE, IT DOESN'T GET TICKED INTO OFTEN. ALL THE PROPOSED CRA'S AT LEAST 2025. IF YOU CUMULATIVELY BECAUSE -- IT WOULD KICK IN THE WHOLE LOT QUICKER AND IT WILL BE MORE OF THE PARTICIPATING THING. YOU GUYS THAT'S WHAT YOU DID YOU DO IN THEIR INTENT AND -- IN THE DOCUMENT. IT'S YOUR BUSINESS. THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE UNDER THE PROJECTION THAT'S THE ONLY DECLINING PARTICIPATION THAT WOULD KICK IN. IN THE RSC MODEL. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS ONEIS $5.6 MILLION OVER 20 YEARS THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. FROM THE EXISTING TAXPAYERS. I HEAR SOME FOLKS WHO SAY THAT'S NOT -- THAT IS NO MONEY BECAUSE -- THERE'S NO TAXES FROM NEWLY CRATED PROPERTY IN THESE NUMBERS. THIS IS FROM EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT ARE THERE NOW DEPRECIATED OVER TIME. SO IT'S ALL [ AUDIO NOT UNDERSTANDABLE ] I THINK THAT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK THAT IF YOU WANT TO USE CRA'S WERE GIANT CITY COUNTYCOFOUNDED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU CREATED A PRETTY GOOD MODEL FOR DOING THAT. AGAIN I AM NOT HERE TO TRY TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO. I AM HERE TO SHOW YOU NUMBERS AND I'VE SHOWN YOU NUMBERS THAT I HAVE. SO I'M GOING TO SIT DOWN. [ LAUGHTER ].

PERMISSION GRANTED, SIR. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST AREMINDER ON WHAT WE ARE HERE FORYOU TO CONSIDER TODAY IS THE DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY TO CREATE DELEGATE TO THE CITY THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE A CRA. SO SINCE IT'S THE CITY'S REQUEST WHAT

IS AT THE HEART OF THE DELEGATION SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO DO SO WILL BE RESOLUTION. THERE'S A RESOLUTION THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM. MS. CONNORS JUST SENT YOU AREVISED PORTION OF THAT WHICH WE CAN DISCUSS. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE CITY MANAGER FROM THE CITY OF EDGEWATER, TRACY BARROW .

GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL AND STAFF. MY NAME IS CITY CITY -- TRACEY BARNARD -- FIRST AND FOREMOST WE WANT TO THANK YOUALL FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT, ON SLIDE 50, THERE'S A NEED IN THE AREA, ARE AN AREA THAT IS DEPRECIATING FASTER THAN THE AVERAGE COMING NOT AN AREA THAT WE ARE PROUD OF IN THE CITY AND WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN MAKING A CHANGE. SOMETIMES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY. THAT'S OUR INTENT AND -- TO TAKE THE TEXAS FROM THE DISTRICT AND SECURE IN THEPROJECTS FROM THAT DISTRICT AND ALTHOUGH, IT'S NOT IN THE COMING GENERAL FUND AT THE TIME BUT IS STILL BEING REINVESTED WITHIN THE COUNTY WITHIN THE CITY OFEDGEWATER FOR AN EFFORT EFFORT TO STOP BLIGHT -- LIKE 10 DEPRECIATION AND IT EVENTUALLY IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR ALL OF US AS TAX REVENUE INCREASE. THIS INITIATIVE IS NOT NEW FOR THE CITY, WE STARTED IN 2002 WITH THE FIRST BLIGHT CITY AND QUALIFIED A BLACKBERRY IN 2002. 2008 WE BROUGHT THE IMMUNITY TO GATHER AND -- WE HAD 100 RESIDENTS PARTICIPATE. WITH THE WANT TO SEE IN THE FUTURE? WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME, WE TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T -- THEY WERE GOING TO COME IN AND PRINT THE PICTURE. I WAS A PRICE THAT ALL THEIR FOCUS WAS IN THE CORE AREA. IN THE OLD DOWNTOWN PARK. SO THEY WANTED TO DO TO REDEVELOP THE AREA AND MAKE IT DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY, A LITTLE JEALOUS OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY VERY SUCCESSFUL CANAL STREET. WATCH IT GO TO BLIGHT THE NEWLY DEVELOPED AND SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE. WE WANT THAT OPPORTUNITY HERE. THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE 2008 VISIONPLAN. WE WANTED TO BRINGRAIN -- REINITIATE THE STANDS. WHAT WE PLAN TO DO -- WE WANT THE BISHOP TO COME UP AND SHE WILL WALK THROUGH THE VERY QUICK SUMMARY OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE TALK TO YOU ALL AND WE HAVE SEEN IT. I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE A COUPLEFOLKS, WE HAVE MIKE -- R VICE MAYOR AND MAYOR ELECT, WE HAVE CHRISTINE POWER DISTRICT ONE -- DISTRICT ONE COUNCIL. WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER JIM -- DISTRICT FOUR AND WE HAVE COUNCIL OF THAT GARY CONROY THAT WILL BE COMING AS WELL. THEY HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY -- ALONG WITH GINGER -- OUR CONSULTANT THAT HELPED US PUT THIS THING TOGETHER. ALONG WITH THOSE FOLKS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL, I NOTICED THEY HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS THAT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE INITIATIVE AS WELL. WHAT I COULD OFFER IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, IN LIEU OF THOSEFOLKS LINING UP IN THEIR PUBLICPARTICIPATION FOR SHARING A VERYLENGTHY SUPPORTING

TESTIMONY, IN RESPECT OF THE COUNCILS TIME LEADING INTO A FESTIVE HOLIDAY SEASON, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU I CAN HAVE THOSE IN SUPPORT STAND, IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? THOSE IN SUPPORT OF EDGEWATER CRA, STAND. AND THOSE WHO ARERESIDENTS BUSINESS OWNERS AND NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AND THE LIKE, IN FAIRNESS, IF YOU WOULD SIT.

WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME IS ALL OF THIS.

IT'S YOUR MEETING. IN FAIRNESS, THOSE OPPOSED THE EDGEWATER CRA PLEASESTAND. OKAY. IN SUMMARY, .

THEY ARE STILL DRIVING AROUND LOOKING TO PARK.

I HAVE BEEN HERE AND HAVE SEEN THE AND THE LINE OF CELLULAR SUPPORTING TESTIMONY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DO

NOW, SHE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH WILL QUICKLY, SUMMARIZE THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AFTER THAT MYSELF THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CONSULTANT IS HERE AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME -- OF THERESOLUTION I BELIEVE MS.-- LASTNIGHT I WAS IN TELEPHONECONFERENCE. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THOSE LAST-MINUTE

CHANGES. MAY I BEGIN?

I'M WAITING ONYOU.

I'M JUST SITTING HERE COUNTING THAT'S ALL .

COULD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS SAMANTHA BISHOP AND THE ECONOMIC COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF EDGEWATER. I WANT TO SAY THAT I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE 30 DAYS AND I REALLY NEED YOUR VOTE BECAUSE MY 90 DAY REVIEW IS COMING UP. [ LAUGHTER ] AND IT'S AT ALL DEPENDS ON THIS BOAT. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO I WILL BE VERY BRIEF FOR YOU. FOR THE SAKE OF TIME. AGAIN WE ARE HERE TODAY TO RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY TO BE GRANTED TO THE CITY OF EDGEWATER TO ESTABLISH THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA CRA FOR CHAPTER 163 PART THREE OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES YOU IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT I COULD CHANGE.

AS YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED AREA IS BASICALLY 400 ACRESCONSIST OF 509 PARCELS WHICH IS ONLY 2.8% OF THE TOTAL CITY AREA ACREAGE OF THE CITY IS 14,411 ACRES. IT'S GENERALLY CONTAINED WITHIN THE BOUNDARIESOF US ONE FROM THE NORTHERN CITY LIMITS SHARES WITH SMYRNA BEACH BEEN DOWN -- AND DOWN AT RIVERSIDE ALPHIN. AS YOU PREVIOUSLY HEARD, THEY HAVE SHOWN THE PROPERTY VALUE DEPRECIATION SINCE 2007 IN THIS AREA. WITH HER INDICATORS,LISTED ON THIS SLIDE AND I WILL NOT READ EVERYONE FOR

YOU, MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND EDGEWATER'S 39,007. AVERAGE INCOME VALUE IS UNDER 16,484. PROPERTY VALUE VALUATION IN THE AREA DECREASED AT A HIGHER RATE THAN THE CITY. UNEMPLOYMENT RATE APPROXIMATELY 6.3% THAT'S FOR Q3 REPORT THAT JUST CAMEOUT. WE ALSO WE DON'T HAVE AN STORMWATER -- A STORMWATER AT THIS TIME AND I THINK ABOUT THE HEAVY RAIN WE HAD ABOUT 4 INCHES. EVERYTHING FROM US ONE -- RUNS INTO THE RIVER AND THE LAGOON AREA. WE HAVE SOME VERY HIGH TRAFFIC RELATED TRAFFIC ACCIDENT COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE CITY .

THIS IS A SLIDE OUT OF THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS SLIDE NUMBER 47. IT SHOWS THE RESIDENTIAL MEAN -- IS LOWER IN THE POST AREA. BLIGHT FACTORS. IN ORDER TO DETERMINE IF AN AREA NEEDS SOME -- TO CONSIDER CRA, THE AREA MUST HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF DETERIORATING STRUCTURES AND AT LEAST -- AT LEAST TWO OF THE 14 DIFFERENT BLIGHT ACTORS. THE CITY PROPOSED THIS YEAR A NEED SIX OF THE 14 CONDITIONS. THE FINDINGS SUBSTANTIATE THE FINDINGS AND FINDING OF REPORTS. IN THIS PROPOSED CRA AREA, THERE ARE ABOUT FIVE -- FIVE MOBILE HOME PARKS AND AT LEAST THREE DISTRESS OF THE FAMILY COMPLEXES THAT ARE IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT SUPPORT. THOSE FAMILIES TO SERVE BETTER. THIS IS A TOOL TO DO THAT. THE REDEVELOPMENT VISION, WE HAVE A VERY LENGTHY BOOK. THAT IS THE PLAN. BASICALLY WE PUT THIS TOGETHER IN ONE SLIDE. WE'RE LOOKING TO TO CREATE A DOWNTOWNAREA HAS A MIXED-USE LOOKING TO CREATE THE GEORGE R KENNEDY PARK IS A FOCAL POINT AND LOOKING FOR SAFE SUSTAINABLE VIABLE COMMERCIAL AFFORDABLE ATTRACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD. SAFE TRANSPORTATION AND ENVIRONMENTALTHESE SOUND STORMWATER. COUNTY GOALS. THIS CLINICIAN WE WANT THE PLAN TO MEET THE GOALS FOR THE EDGEWATER AND THEY SURE THE PLAN IS IN LINE WITH THE OVERALL INITIATIVE FOR THE COUNTY. IT MAKES FOR GREAT PARTNERSHIP. FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. THIS IS A QUICK OVERVIEW AS THE PLAN CAPITAL PROJECTS WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE PLAN. FOR EASE OF PRESENTATION, THE WAY WITH THE PLAN TOGETHER, IT'S FOR LOOKING AT IT IN SNAPSHOTS BECAUSE IT IS A LONG AREA ALONG US ONE. HE BROKE IT INTO FOUR AREAS FOR YOU TO LOOK AT. THESEFORMATS GIVE THAT OVERVIEW. AREA ONE SHOWN IN THE NORTHERN CITY LIMITS AND THIS AREA ALONE WE HAVE FIVE ENTRANCES OR EXITS POINTS TO SCHOOLS IN PRESCHOOL. THE SAFETY IS AN ISSUE. AREA TO ENCOMPASSES PARK AVENUE AND SURROUNDING AREA TO CREATE A DOWNTOWN IN THIS SECTION THERE'S A SCHOOL ZONE AND CROSSWALK EDGEWATER PUBLIC ELEMENTARY AND SEVERAL MOBILE HOME PARKS. RESIDENTS ALSO TRANSITION BACK AND FORTH ACROSS US ONE TO ACCESS THE WATERFRONT PARKS. PARKS. -- AND KENNEDY PARK. THREE ALSO HAVE MOBILE HOME PARKS ALONG US ONE AND INTERSECTION AT -- IS THAT ENTRY POINT AND ACCESS TO THE YMCATHAT -- PLAY FLOWS, PARK, CITY SERVICES OFFICE AND ALSO MULTI FAMILY COMPLEXES. AREA FOUR, ALSO HAS LOW INCOME HOUSING WITH A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC IN OLDER SMALL SHOPPING WITH THAT NEED REPAIR AND UPDATE AND A FEW UNOCCUPIED SPACES. WE HAVE ALSO HAD A FEW PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES WITHIN THE STRETCH OF US ONE. THIS IS THE INCREMENT -- WITH A 20 YEAR SUNSET DATE. THIS IS THE ESTIMATED CONTRIBUTION FOR THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF EDGEWATER AND VOLUSIA COUNTY. YEAR 10 AND YOUR 24 GRAND TOTAL OF $6,950,000. THE NEXT TWO SLIDES I WILL NOT SPEND A LOT OFTIME, I WANT TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THE CITY OF EDGEWATER PROPOSEDCRA MEETS THE GOALS PUT FORTH AND COMPLIES WITH THE COMPANY ORGAN -- ORDINANCES. THESE 2010 AND 2020 AND 2019. WHY INVEST IN EDGEWATER? IT'S A GREATDEAL -- ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT , WE ARE ASKING THE COUNTY TO PARTNER ON THE CRA TO PROVIDE ANOTHER TOOL TO MAKE THE CITY IN THE COUNTY COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE AND THE REGION . THIS CRA WILL BENEFIT BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. EDGEWATER HAS INVESTED TIME AND RESOURCES FLOW -- 12 AND ENGAGE IN PUBLIC -- ENGAGE THE PUBLIC TO CREATE A VISION PLAN AND COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY TO GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT FAR INTO THEFUTURE. ANY GOALS MAKE MIRROR THE GOALS OF THE COUNTY AND A PARTNERSHIP TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL WILL BENEFIT THE COUNTY AS MUCH AS THE CITY. THE CITY HAS HIRED A NATIONAL RETAIL RECRUITMENT FIRM TO MARKET EDGEWATER TO SHOPPING CENTER DEVELOPMENT RETAILERS AND FINANCIAL -- FRANCHISE HOLDERS. THIS IS A THREE YEAR DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPERS, CONTRIBUTING FINANCIALLY TO HIRED THE FIRM. THE COUNTY STANDS TO BENEFIT FROM THIS EFFORT AS WELL. THE CITY COUNCIL ALSO VOTED TO PUT A REFERENDUM ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT WHICH HAVE PASSED THAT 64% THAT ALLOWED THE CITY TO BE TAXES FOR CITY, TEXAS ONLY. FOR CERTAIN NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND EXPANSIONS ON ASSISTING BUILDING, THE COUNTY STANDS TO BENEFIT ON THE EFFORT. EDGEWATER WANTS TO BE A GOOD STEWARD. THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT IN THE CRA PLAN AREN'T PARROTED TO RESOLVE THE RUNOFF PROBLEM. IT'S NOT ONLY ARE CONCERNED THAT THE CONCERN -- CONCERN OF CONGRESS

STAKEHOLDERS. WE ENCOURAGE A PARTNERSHIP AND COMPLIES WITH THE STATUTES ----- INITIATIVES. CREATIVE VISION FOR SUSTAINABLECOMMUNITY. THE CITY SEEKS COUNTY PARTNERSHIP AND ENCOURAGES CONNIE INVOLVEMENT WITH THE CRA AND ESTABLISHES LOCAL AGREEMENTS. IT HAS SUNSET YEAR IN YEAR 20. THE CITY REQUEST VOLUSIA COUNTY TO APPROVE

THE -- REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, WITH THAT THE STAFF REPORT, -- IF YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS,.

I WILL JUST ELABORATE ON THE ITEMS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE RESOLUTION LASTNIGHT. ONCE AGAIN FOR CLARIFICATION. WE CAN GO THROUGH IF YOU WANT, WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS CRA IN TERMS OF THE 2010 RESOLUTION AND ITEMS THEREIN AND ITEMS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE RESOLUTION WERE FOR CLARIFICATION IN TERMS OF COST. MR. BARLOW DISCUSSIONS WITH US HAVE SUGGESTED THAT IN TERMS OF HOW WE APPROACH INDIRECT COST AND CAPITAL APPROVE CAPITAL SPENDING THAT WE USE THE CRITERIA AS OUTLINED IN THE STATE BEST AGREEMENTS AS A GOOD BASIS AND WE AGREED AND PROVIDED LANGUAGE TO POINT OF CLARIFICATION. ALSO IN TERMS OF ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS THERE WOULD BE ABSORBED BY THE CITY FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS AND AFTER THAT, THERE WILL BE SUBJECT TO AND WEEKS AND YOUR CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT, I NEED -- NEVERMIND. I HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF PEOPLE. WE WILL GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATIONFIRST. IF YOU HAVE -- IF THERE'S A SPOT IN THE FRONT ROW AND YOU ARE NOT SITTING THERE OR SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT -- NOT FOR THIS OR AGAINST THIS. NO? ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? I HAVE A LIST I WAS GOING TO GO DOWN THE LIST. YOU CAN STAND UP AND SAY I AGREE OR DISAGREE

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE THE ONE DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE ANYBODY'S VERSE AMENDMENT.

MIKE NR00,UNIQUE YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR AGREE OR DISAGREE?

ARE YOU HERE?

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK?

ON BEHALF OF THE SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO.

I THINK YOU MADE -- YOU WERE TALKINGTHEM INTO IT RATHER THAN.

I SHOULD HAVE STOOD UP WHEN THEY SAID WE SUPPORTS IT, I WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE YES.

[ LAUGHTER ].

I MEAN I KNOW THESE PEOPLE HERE ARE ALL HERE SAMANTHA BISHOP THAT EVERYBODY.

THIS IS A -- A PILE OF ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT I HAVE PEOPLE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AND THEY CAME IN LATE THAT'S WHY I CALL THE FIRST TWO NAMES. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES .

ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.

SIR.

WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL FERRARO, ADDRESS 4608 THEN WE DO DRIVE NEW SMYRNA BEACH.

YOU HAVE THREEMINUTES.

THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL AND COUNTY MANAGER, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND ITS NEARLY 700 MEMBERS OF SOUTHEAST BLUESHIFT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WE ASK THAT YOU UNANIMOUSLY VOTE YES TO DELEGATE POWER OF AUTHORITY TO THE CITY TO CREATE A COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT

AREA FOR OR CRA. WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON ANY FUTURE REQUEST FOR SUCH DELEGATION WITHIN VOLUSIA COUNTY SUBJECT, OF COURSE, TO THE CONSOLES COULDJUDGMENT. SPECIFIC TO THE DELEGATION OF POWER TO THE CITY IT IS THE SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE VIEW THAT THE CITY OF EDGEWATER REQUESTS IN THE COLONIES GOALS ARE IN SYNC. THE CREATION OF THIS AND OTHER CRA SERVES A LONG-TERMCOMMITMENT ON THE PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT LEADERS TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE AND EFFECTIVE GROWTH FOR MANY YEARS TO COME IN THE FITTING ALL CITIZENS. THE CITYWILL HELP INFRASTRUCTURE DEFICIENCY IN BLACK AND GOLD BIBLE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND NEIGHBORHOODS -- TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND PUBLIC SPACES. A RISING TIDE RAISES ALL SHIPS. NO STATEMENT COULD BE TRUER AS IT RELATES TO CRA'S. THIS CHAMBER HAS SEEN FIRSTHAND THE POSITIVE IMPACT THAT SERIES CAN HAVE ON THE

COMMUNITY. THE CITY OF EDGEWATER NEEDS THE CRA TO BUILD AND THRIVE IN THE FUTURE. THE SOUTHEAST -- SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTS THIS ENDEAVOR AND ASKED THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL CONSIDER CAREFULLY AND VOTE YES TO GRANT THE REQUEST OF THEDELEGATION. RESPECTFULLY EUROS, MIKE FOR NOW. THANK YOU .

JIM KIRK.

YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE OR JUST AGREE WITHIT.

JUST SAY I AGREE. >>COOL. I HAVE FOR IT. SAY I HAVE FOR IT.

SAMANTHA BISHOP.

YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK.

JERRY MAYS

JIMMY, ALWAYS WANTS TO TALK.

MR. MAYS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS SECONDS.

[ LAUGHTER ]

JERRY MAYS, CITY OF DELTONAADDRESS 925 -- DELTONA, FLORIDA 32725, I HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF DELLTONER. I WILL PRESENT TO THECLERK AT THIS TIME AND WE SUPPORT THE CITY OF CRA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

GENE ENTER.

NOTSUPPORT.

I AFFORD.

-- I AM FOR IT.

THAT IS NEWS TOME.

DALE TANNER.

I SUPPORT.

ROBERT.

I SUPPORT.

WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE?

BURNEY LANE.

SUPPORT.

JASON MCGUIRK.

SUPPORT

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS GUY WILL BE FOR YOU TO NOT.

TRACY BARLOW?

OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO STRONGLY, FILL OUT A FORM AND SPEAK ON THE ISSUE.

WE ARE GOOD ON THAT AND WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND NOW MS. DENYS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. JUST A COUPLEQUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW WANTS TO ANSWER, MR. KARL ROVE MR. BARLOW? HOW DO YOU WANT THIS FIELD IT?

THE CITY PROBABLY.

TRACY? TALK TO ME ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT IN THE BLIGHTED AREA BECAUSE THIS IS I HAVE TO TELL YOU BEEN WATCHING YOU DEVELOP THROUGH THE YEARS, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL SOMETHING THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE STRENGTHENED AS CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THIS AREA?

FIRST OF ALL, THE DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST AND WHERE IN CITY OF EDGEWATER, WE HAVE AN AGGRESSIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. WE ARE -- WE HAVE2.5 FULL-TIME CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS. WE HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT -- COURT ENFORCEMENT SEVEN DAYS AWEEK. WE HAVE AGGRESSIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. I CREDIT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND FUELING THE FIRST COMMUNITY THAT SERVE THE -- A COUPLE YEARSAGO. WE STARTED PROPERTY VALUE APPRECIATION NOT IN THE BLIGHTED AREA SO WE DO HAVE A VERY [ AUDIO NOT UNDERSTANDABLE ]

THANK YOU. IT WAS ALSO NOTED THAT MR. -- YOU HAVE QUITE --INCREMENT YOUR -- THE COMMERCIAL AREA GOT COVERED IN THE SEABURY TO MY YOU GOT A LOT OFRESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE .

CORRECT.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO REMEDY THAT? I AM NOT SO SURE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT CRA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN STRENGTHENING THE DILAPIDATED -- WHICH IS SOME AREAS AND SOME RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE THIS ANSWER. THE QUESTION TO YOU IS, ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP THAT RESIDENTIAL OR IS -- ARE YOU LOOKING AT ENFORCING YOUR CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONING IN THOSE AREAS?

WHEN YOU REFERENCE THAT, WHEN YOU ASSESS IT, IT ISBASED ON LAND -- LAND-USE AND NOT ZONE, CORRECT? >>

TRACY, FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU

REPORT REPEAT WHAT MR. MORGAN SAID.

THIS ANSWER WAS AFFIRMATIVE, WHEN HE REFERENCES, IT'S BASED ON THE CURRENT USE OF THE TIME. ALTHOUGH HE USES IT AS A RESIDENTIAL NOW, IT IS ZONED AS A NONCONFORMING RESIDENTIAL. IT MEANS THAT IT'S BEEN WE ZONED IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA ALTHOUGH THE USE THIS RESIDENTIAL TODAY I'M A THERE ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT HE COULDN'T SIT STAYNONCONFORMING BEFORE IT AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES ACOMMERCIAL. EXAMPLE, IF THEY ARE LIVING IN THE AREA OF NONCONFORMING RESIDENTIAL USE TODAY, IF THEY MOVE OUT FOR SIX MONTHS OR SELL IT, THEY COULD NO LONGER USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL. IT HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL. A LOT OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE THROUGH THE DISTRICT.

I AM HAPPY TOCHANGE -- TO SEE THE CHANGE WHERE YOU HAVE FIVE ELECTIVES AND NOT TO NOT APPOINTEES IN THE CRA DEVELOPMENT BOARD THAT YOU TOOK THAT OUT. AT AT THE LEVELOF ACCOUNTABILITY GOINGFORWARD.

THE STAFF IS STUCK -- A TOUGH NEGOTIATOR. WE STRUGGLE, BUT WE CAN SEE IT.

GOOD, WE WOULD'VE STRUGGLED TO.

THATWAS A GOOD NEGOTIATING .

WE ARE LOOKING JUST FOR THE COUNTYCONTRIBUTION, I CAPITAL EXPENDITURES,

CORRECT? WE IDENTIFIED THOSE IN THE DEFINITION OF CAPITAL AND WORKING PROJECT QUESTION.

NO, MA'AM .

THE LIMITATION APPLIES TO BOTH THE COUNTY -- COUNTY AND THE CITY INCREMENT READ WHAT YOU SAID AFTER FIVEYEARS WE WILL REEVALUATE THE CITY PORTION. >> OKAY. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY.

WHEN THE TIME COMES, I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER COUNCILCONVERSATION, I WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

YOU DID JUST MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. I WILL GO AHEAD AND SECOND.

THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR MS. DENYS AND SECOND FROM MR. WAGNER. RELEASED THE FOUR. >>MR. WAGNER, YOUR NEXT.

COUNCILWOMAN DENYS SAID IT WELL I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING, SHESAID. STAFF, GREAT JOB WITH THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU. MY TURN. MR. BARLOW. ORNISH BISHOP, WHOEVER YOUR FINANCE OFFICER IS. I WILL TALK ABOUT MONEY. WHAT IS THERE SUCH A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN MORGAN'S NUMBER AND YOUR NUMBERS? MORGAN'S IS 5.6 MILLION YOURS IS $6.95 MILLION.

THAT'S A? I WILL HAVE MR. -- HERE, THERE'S BEEN A -- TALK ABOUT PROJECTIONS GOING FORWARD AND WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS IN THE SAME PROJECTION THAT YOU WILL GET DIFFERENCE IN NUMBERS. IT DEPENDS ON AND I DID NOTICE ON THIS SLIDE AND I ASSUME THAT WETRANSMITTED THE CORRECTED DISTRICT, IT MAY BE LARGER DID -- THAN DISTRICT SHALL TODAY. THE PERCENTAGES WILL BE SIMILAR, BUT THAT CAN CONSTRUE THENUMBERS.

OKAY. THEN LET'S WORK WITH YOUR NUMBERS. >> $6.95 MILLION. I KNOW THAT CRA STARTS OFF AND THEY GO IN SMALL INCREMENTS, PENNIES HERE INPENNIES THERE, HOW LONG BEFORE THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY IN THE CRA ACCOUNT TO ACTUALLY START BREAKING UP A PIECE OF CONCRETEWITH TURNING UP A TREE OR PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE GROUND? HOW LONG IS STUCK FOR SHOVEL GOING TO HAPPEN?

I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS THAT CRYSTAL BALL. MINE WILL BE A GUESSTIMATE BASED ON PREVIOUS CRA'S THE POPE COUNTY. PREVIOUS CRA'S IN THE COUNTY WERE FROM 2005 AND 2006, WE DON'T APPRECIATE -- YOU'RE PROBABLY CLOSER TO EIGHT TO 10 YEARS BEFORE YOU GET A GOOD PROJECT THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH SPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE THE BOND THE VERBAL MONEY. -- TO BORROW MORE MONEY.

I AM LOOKING AT THIS NOW, I AM AND WHO GOT -- YOU GOT IN THIS GAME. I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR TWO YEARS. I'VE NOTICED THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING AND THEY'RE GOING TO PAY US TO DO IT AND THEY START ADDING ZEROS. $6 MILLION, THAT'S IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS AND LOOKING AT THE MAP, YOU ARE PROPOSING AND ROADS AND SIDEWALKS, WE SPEND A MILLION SOMETHING FOR SIDEWALK THAT WENT UP THE BEACH SIDE OVER BY THE SEA, WE SPENT A MILLION SOME ODD DOLLARS FOR A SIDEWALK WHICH IS NOT EVEN IN THE SIZE OF EDGEWATER. YOU THINK THAT ALL OF THESE PROJECTS AND ALL OF THESE TREES AND SIDEWALKS AND ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE CAN BE DONE FOR $6.9 MILLION?

NO. YOU CAN MIND, THIS IS A 40 YEAR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE COUNTY IS BEING -- IS INTERESTED IN BEING A PARTNER FOR THE FIRST20. WE STILL HAVE WHEN YOU LEAVE, AT THE END OF THE 20 YEARS, WE STILL HAVE THE COMMUNITY TO REDEVELOP. DON'T GET -- DON'T MISS UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTOOD -- MISUNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PLAN.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION, SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO DIRECT TOWARD THE COUNCIL. I MADE NO BONES ABOUT IT, I DID NOT SUPPORT CRA'S, THEY AREBURDEN TO TAXPAYERS, SIMPLE, I WOULD MUCH RATHER DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR YOU GUYS. IT IS A TOOL IN YOUR TOOLBOX. IT'S A GREAT TOOL. IT'S A RUSTY OLD TOOL. IT'S BEEN USED AND ABUSED AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE GET BURNED. WHAT I WAS GOING TO PREFER TO SEE, BOB THIS TO DO FOR YOU THE SAME THING WE DID FOR THE RACETRACK. WHAT YOU LIKE 20 YEARS TO GET $6 MILLION OR WOULD IT BEBETTER IF YOU TOOK A GRAND TOUR ALONE? IF WE PUT UP THE MONEY TO BOND THE $6 MILLION SO YOU HAVE YOUR $6 MILLION. BUT WE DID FOR THE RACE TRACK WE DIDN'T THAT MAKE MORE SENSE THAN YOU CAN START PROJECT TODAY.

THAT MAY REMIND YOU IT'S A 40 YEAR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IS 42.8 MILLION. THIS RESOLUTION ON THE HAS YOU AS A PARTNER FOR THE FIRST 20 YEARS OF THE 6.8. SO NOW, I COULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE WHEN WE DO A BOND WE DO ALONE AND WE NEED TO HAVE A GUARANTEED REVENUE STREAM AS WELL. REMEMBER THIS AS A CRA THAT'S TAKING THE TAX DOLLARS FROM THEDISTRICT AND REINVESTING IT IN THE DISTRICT. YOU TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND AND THE TAXPAYER PAYING THAT AND -- WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. THOSE TAX FUND DOLLARS AND MAY NOT COME BACK TO THE DISTRICT GET THIS IS REINVESTING THOSE SAME DOLLARS FROM THAT SAME DISTRICT BACK TO THAT DISTRICT. BASED ON IP SURE YOUR CANDID OPINION ON DIFFERENT FLAVOR OF THE REDEVELOPMENT TOOL. AS A PROFESSIONAL CITY MANAGER I COULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT TO THE COUNCIL.

I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION .

THAT'S FINE. I PREFER HONESTY AND CANDOR TO A BUNCH OF -- [ AUDIO NOT UNDERSTANDABLE ] VERY WELL. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CANDOR. MS. CUSACK, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU,MR. CHAIR. THANKS TO THEPARTNERS OF EDGEWATER. FOR YOUR DILIGENCE AS IT RELATES TO THECRA. I KNOW THAT WE ARE IN A MOMENT WERE WE ARE VOTING TO EXTEND TO YOU 20 YEAR PARTNERSHIP. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT MOVE TO MAKE. I KNOW

THATIT IS TAX DOLLARS, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT MUCH OF THESE TAX DOLLARS ARE FOR RESIDENTS BOTH THE LIVE INEDGEWATER AREA NOT LIKE WE'RE TAKING ALL THE MONEY FROM THE DELAY AND, IT'S -- WE'RE DOING ACOUNTYWIDE DISTRIBUTION IF YOU WILL TO HELP US MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A POSITIVE WAY AND ALL OF THECITIES THAT ENCOMPASS VOLUSIACOUNTY. MR. CHAIR, I AM READY TO SUPPORT THIS AND WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, I'M READY TO MOVE ON IT. THANK YOU TO THE CITIZENS. OUR STAFF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE BUILT-INSAFEGUARDS TO PROTECT THEDOLLARS OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND THINGS TO YOU, CITIZENS OFEDGEWATER, FOR BEING DILIGENT IN DOING WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS IN EDGEWATER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU,MR. ECKERT YOUR TURN.

I WILL TRY TO SPEAK LOUD ENOUGH. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE COMMENT ESTHER BARLOW MADE REGARDING MR. -- ABOUT THE ENLARGEMENT OF THE DISTRICT. WE HAVE A TAX LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND NOT UNLIKE -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE CORRECT LEGAL DESCRIPTION. I AM NOT AWARE THAT IT EVERCHANGE. MAY HAVE COMMENT ABOUT THE ENLARGEMENT?

THAT'S THE DOCUMENT I'VE SEEN THAT MORGAN HAS REFERENCED A VERY OLD DISTRICT. THE DESCRIPTION SHOULD ENCOMPASS THE RIGHT DISTRICT AND WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

ONE MOMENT .

WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES AND PULL THE DOCUMENTS OUT IN -- AT THE MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS THE SAME?

I SHOW YOU WHAT YOUHAVE A DESCRIPTION THAT MR. ECKERT IS CONCERNED ABOUT, THE BINDING DISTRICT IS THE CORRECT LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR THE DISTRICT.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, HIS PROGRAM THAT HE SHOWED IN THE MAP THE DISTRICT IN FRONT OF -- THE BARBECUE MAGNOLIA STREET, THE DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE WAS AMENDED BETWEEN 2011 AND 2014, SAME THING ONE PORTION OF USONE, RIVERSIDE DRIVE COMES OUT ON US ONE. WHEN WE TRANSMITTED AND REQUESTED A FINAL REQUEST IS THAT DISTRICT. IN THE LIVER DISTRICT SHOULD -- DESCRIPTION THAT ENCOMPASSES THAT.

IS THAT SATISFACTORY QUESTION.

I RECEIVED ONE LEGAL DESCRIPTION DESCRIPTION.

I THINK WHAT HE WAS WORKING ON WAS A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION .

YOUR SET-ASIDES OR -- SAYS PFIZER?

YES, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE.

UNLESS YOU WANT TO YELL REAL LOUD .

I CAN TELL YOU THAT .

AS FAR AS I KNOW THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION WE ARE WORKING FROM IS THE ONLY LEGAL DESCRIPTION RIGHT NOW. IT'S REFLECTED ON THE MAP THE

DATA. WE CALLED AROUND EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE LATEST NUMBERS. I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED WITH THAT BECAUSE OUR NUMBERS ARE BASED ON THE MAP THAT YOU SEE.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU, SIR,

WILL THE COUNCIL LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO MAKE SURE ALL THE NUMBERS AND DESCRIPTIONS ARE STRAIGHT BECAUSE I HATE TO GET INTO THE MIDDLE OF A LEGAL DESCRIPTION ISSUE.

OKAY, MR. ECKERT, CAN YOU GIVE THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND ARE LEGAL DESCRIPTION -- .

HE DRAWS THAT WE GO TO INCLUDE A DIFFERENT AREA WHICH IS ONLY ONE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. SO YOU ARE CONFIDENT WITH IT?

THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION -- DESCRIPTION ATTACHED THE RESOLUTION IS THE ONE FURNISHED BY THE CITY AND THE ONLY ONE IKNOW. I WAS CONCERNED THERE WAS A SECOND ONE.

I AMGETTING -- I AM HEARING EVERYBODY IS GOING WITH THE ATTORNEY IS COMFORTABLE AND WE ARE COMFORTABLE AND THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THERE'S NO FURTHER

DISCUSSION ON THE SOMEBODY PUSHES THE BUTTON. SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM 36 CITY OF EDGEWATER REQUEST FOR DELEGATION OFCOMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT POWERPROPOSED, SIGNIFIED BY AYE.

ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED.

I WILL OPPOSE IT. MR. DAVIS OPPOSE AND MR. DANIELS, MS. DENYS, MR. PATERSON, MR. WAGNER AND MS. CUSACK FOR IT.

AND MS. NORTHEY IS ABSENT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I MOVED JUST A LITTLE -- BECAUSE SOMEBODY COULD'VE SAID ALL THOSE IN PROPOSED, I COULD'VE STOOD UP.

I THINK YOU AND I PROMISE, WE WILL BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH YOU AND GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAX DOLLARS.

TRACY, I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR IS ALWAYS.

ALL RIGHT, WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BUSINESS TO ATTEND TO IF YOUMAY. I HATE TO DO THIS. IF YOU EXIT THE TEAM IS QUIETLY. THANK YOU.

WE HAVE ONE MORE PIECE OF BUSINESS ITEM 36 A WHICH WAS A LATE ADDITION TO THE AGENDA. MR. PATTERSON WOULD YOU, PLEASE, TAKE THE GAVEL .

THIS IS ITEM 36 A APPOINTMENT OF THE CULTURAL COUNCIL NOMINATION IT IS MY NOMINATION -- BIBLE HAS MISSED TWO

MEETINGS, JUST BEEN CONTACTED BY COUNTY -- COUNTY STAFF AND VOICED HER -- AND SHE HAS A COUPLE ISSUE WE DEAL WITH. MY NOMINATION, I AM MAKING A MOTION TO KEEP THE SPEED WITH SHELLEY FOR THE REMAINDER OF HERTERM.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE CHAIRIS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, ANY OPPOSITION TO OPPOSITION WITHOUT OPPOSITION. MOTION IS APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION THIS EVENING? >> THIS ZIMMERMAN.

NO, SIR.

NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. WE ARE GOING TO GO DOWN TO MR. ECKERT, YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS?

JUST BRIEFLY, EARLIER THIS WEEK I TRANSMITTED TO YOU A COPY OF THE

REQUEST FOR THE CITY OF SOUTH DAYTONA. FOLLOWING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL NORMAL PROCEDURES. I AM SORRYIF .

I DON'T YOU MOVE OVER ONE SEAT IS NO ONE SITTINGTHERE.

FOLLOWING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL PROCEDURE, THEY WOULD NORMALLY NOT ADDRESS THAT. THAT REQUEST AND IT TENDS TO RESOLVE WHAT APPARENTLY IS SOUTH DAYTONA REGARDS AS AN INTERN GOVERNMENTAL DISPUTE. I WILL POINT THAT OUT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND PROVIDE THE COUNTY VIEW OF THE ISSUE IN THE EVENT THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THISCEASES TO ISSUE AN OPINION, SHE WILL BE SO INFORMED THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOBODY ELSE IS HERE.

JUST ONE COMMENT. >> YES. MS. DENYS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >>MS. CONNORS.

JUST A PIECE OFTRIVIA, AND EDGEWATER WAS HERE. MICROPHONE RO THAT SPOKE THE NEW THAT RESIDENT OF -- PLAYED LEANNESS IN THE ATHENS THEATER, HE WAS A GREAT ACTOR WITH AGREAT VOICE.

I WAS LOOKING AT HIM, WHO WHERE WAS HE FROM.

HE PLAYED IN THE MAZE.

MS. CONNORS.

AND THE THE -- YOU ARE THE COUNTY MANAGER, YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS A SIMPLE YES ORNO.

[ SWITCHING CAPTIONERS / PLEASE STAND BY ] MOST TOADJOURN.

MOTION FORADJOURNMENT, NO.

NO. >>WAIT A MINUTE.

EXCUSE ME. HOLD IT. THERE'S A MOTION FORADJOURNMENT.

SKEWS ME. >>SECOND.

MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT AND THE

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT

>>> MR. PATTERSON HAS A COMMENT HERE.

YES. JIM, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING WHAT MISNORTHEY GAVE US THIS MORNING ABOUT THE HOMELESS SHEPTER IN DELAND, AND SHE'S MENTIONED THE THE $365,000 A YEAR THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVING OUT TO AGENCIES, I'D LIKE TO SEE BASICALLY, WHAT WE'VE CONTRIBUTED OVER THE -- THIS AND SOME OF THE OTHER, BEEN DOING SOMETHING ALL ALONG, AND I THINK THAT IF WE ARE ASKED TO PUT SOMETHING IN IT, WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THAT $365,000 AND DIRECT IT TOWARDS THIS -- WHATEVER PROJECT OR JUST SAY, WE'VE ALREADY -- GO AHEAD ASK DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO. FIRST OF ALL, THE MONEY THAT -- SOME OF IT IS FUNNELED THROUGH US. SOME OF IT IS DIRECTED THROUGH THE COALITION, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE DIRECT IT AS THE HOMELESS ADVOCACY AGENCY, IT'S NOT OUR -- BUT WHAT I -- THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IN THIS COUNTY, THE SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCY HAS BEEN THE COUNTY. THE CITIES HAVE NOT BEEN DOING MUCH WITH SOCIAL SERVICES. ALMOST EVERYTHING WE DO THAT RELATES TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE ISSUE, POOR PEOPLE, OR COULD RELATE TO HOMELESS IS AN ISSUE FOR DOUNLT OI -- COUNTY, ON WHATEVER HELP COMES, IT'S TIEED TO WHAT WE DO. WHAT WE CAN DO, MR. PATTERSON, IS PUT TOGETHER A LIST FOR YOU OF THOSE AGENCIES THAT WE'VE SUPPORT -- WHICH ARE MULTIPLE ONES, THAT TOUCH POOR PEOPLE AND HOMELESS, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE PUTTING OUR MONEY. I THINK MR. WAGNER TRIED TO MAKE THAT POINT BEFORE ABOUT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE SYSTEM. AND THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. THE BIGGEST ISSUE IF YOU TRY TO SEND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, IS YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF THE AGENCIES. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE AGENCIES THAT ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT PROVIDE THESE SERVICES, AND SO, YOU'D HAVE V TO TAKE IT FROM ONE -- WHAT -- EASIER SAID THAN DONE. BOTTOM LINE IS, WE CAN DO THAT FOR YOU. THE OTHER THING THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON --

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE LOCATION S, TOO.

WE CAN DO THAT. OTHER THING WE CAN DO FOR YOU IS WE TOOK VERY SERIOUS AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD COMMENT, WHICH WAS TO DO SORT OF A COST BENEFIT OR A FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS OF LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT AGENCY, MARIANNE AND I SPECIFICALLY, ON SOMEONE THAT WOULD BE QUALIFIED TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE PHYSICAL LOCATION OF THE BIDDING, THE OPERATIONAL COST, YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS. IT IS A GOOD THING. THE ONLY ISSUE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS -- AND I TAME UP BRIDGE TO THIS, DETAILS MATTER. THE -- EVERYTHING IN THIS. THE DETAILS MATTER IN WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE. SO THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY, HOW MANY SERVICES, WHO'S GOING TO MOVE OUT, WHAT THE SECURITY IS GOING TO BE. AS MR. MARBUT DEFINES THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE TO LOOK AT, WHAT'S THE COST OF THOSE -- WHAT'S THE ON GOING COSTS? WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE THAT CAN DO THAT FOR US. I'M HOPING WE CAN IDENTIFY SOMEBODY BY THE NEXT MEETING.

THIS FACILITY THAT THE OLD HUE WEST CENTER OVER THERE, WHICH GOES BACK TO MY DAYS, AT CORPORATION, WHEN WE WERE DOING A LOT OF THESE, I GUESS --

THIS WAS PART OF TRYING TO SAVE ACT.

YEAH. AND I JUST LIKE TO GET AN UPDATE ON --

WE'LL DO THAT.

WHAT HOMELESS, IF THEY'RE PROVIDING HOMELESS SERVICES. BUZZ I KNOW THERE'S -- BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S QUITE A FEW IN THE LAND. SOMEBODY TOLD ME THEY HAVE A FEW OF THEM -- QUITE CONTENT TO BE IN THEIR TENTS. NORTH OF DELAND. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF SERVICES BEING PROVIDED IN THE DELAND AREA. AND I JUST WONDER HOW FAR IT GOES, WHETHER IT GOES, YOU KNOW, ORANGE CITY, DEBARY, DELTONA, UP TO NORTHWEST AREA.

I THINK IT WAS A GOOD COMMENT BY MRS. NORTHEY. I REMEMBER, THAT WAS REALLY A BIG DECISION BY THE KOURNS FT IT CAME -- COUNCIL. IT CAME AT A TIME WHEN WE WERE REALLY CUTTING BACK. WE'LL TRY TO GET YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT'S GONE ON SO FOR FAR. ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THE MULTIPLE THINGS, PEOPLE HAD ISSUE, PROBLEMS AND VETERAN, WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. WE'LL SEE WHERE THEY STANT STAND AT THIS POINT. WE DIDN'T FOLLOW IT AS MUCH, BECAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE OLD COUNCIL, I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE FINAL REASONS THEY DID IT, BECAUSE WE SORT OF HANDED IT OFF, THERE WAS NO ONGOING OBLIGATION ON OUR PART.

WELL, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS WAS A STORY IN THE DISH BELIEVE THE NEWS -- YEAH, ORLANDO SENTINEL AND THE NEWS JOURNAL. I'M SURPRISED THAT SOMETHING THAT THE NEWS JOURNAL DIDN'T PICK UP, THEY'VE BEEN DOING ALL OF THIS WORK AND DISCUSSION OF HOMELESS, LIKE AS IF THERE WAS NOTHING REALLY GOING ON, AND YET, THERE IS QUITE A BIT GOING ON.

WE'LL GET THAT -- WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. I THINK BY NEXT MEETING, WE'LL HAVE IDENTIFIED SOMEONE TO USE AS A THIRD PARTY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DAVE IS GOING TO COME UP. DAVE, AND TALK ABOUT THE VOLUSIA COUNTY ELECTED OFFICIALS ROUND TABLE. ONE THING THAT DAVE WILL TELL YOU IS WE'VE HAD SOME CORRESPONDENCE OR BELIEF THAT WHILE WE SAID THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER, THERE MAY BE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD REALLY LIKE IT TO BE THE SECOND -- INSTEAD OF THE FIRST 0001

That was the best for everyone. We'll make sure. I've asked Dave to define -- to go through this and give you a -- talk about what we're doing. Dave.

Thank you, Mr. Den the NEEN. Members of the county council. Director F of the department of community services. The first thing that we wanted to make sure that we were all in agreement is the name of this group. What we had suggested is round table of Volusia county, elected officials. So unless anyone has a problem with that, that's what the -- for purposes of news releases, that's what we would do.

Can we make the emblem more round? I mean, saying a round table and it's like a --

I suppose.

Sure.

And from our point of view, round table is two words, so we'll fix that. But that is a graphic that we created, just give this group some status. We would create a little sign that we can have at these meetings, part of being the backdrop. You know, I think it's NOORNT the group have -- important that the group have some identity and some status FT as long as everyone is okay. Round table of Volusia county -- round table of Volusia county elected officials will be the name. Yes, sir?

Is there any objection to the name? Seeing none, it would pass unanimous.

Okay.

60.

As the manager said, we have made contact with all of the cities and we do have some, I think, 21 reservations, came across an e-mail, suggesting that the second week in December, might be better for some, so as the manager said, we'll communicate with those that have responded and see if -- which date is PREFRNable. -- MREFRable. The meeting will be held in the airport Volusia room on the second floor of the airport terminal. We have a ski mat -- SDE matic lay out. A V shape with one representative of each city in the county at this U shaped table. And of course, other elected officials would be invited via public meeting, the public would be invited. County will be taking minutes, recording the meeting and will be advertising the meeting as appropriate. We'll have food brought in for those participants at the U shaped table. Sandwiches, along those kind of lines where people can have a choice. But that's where we stand today.

One thing that we said we would also do is put in there that obviously, it's open, it will be advertised, it will be in the sunshine, and we may have elected officials beyond the one that's officially designated to represent that community, we're going to have other tables sitting out from the U shape of round tables. That we're going to encourage people if they want to come, they can bring their lunch, they'll be at a little table. Everyone can can sit there. The group, when they side, you're going to organize themselves and decide on topics, you can decide how and if you wanted those people to be in your discussion. The only thing that's kind of concerned me that we need to, I think, clarify, is I think at least when I was proposing this, was that this would be a group that works on issues through consensus, who wouldn't vote for things, they're about larger community issues. They're not issues about how this council should function as a Government or something. I mean, these are not individual looks within cities or counties about our structure, it's really about, for example, the topic of water quality. Let me say that. Where you would be talking about those kind of issues, I'm assuming that I'm on target with that, that really was what we were going to plan on discussions. Through those discussions, decide on what to take on. I'm just trying to make sure we communicate that to people.

You know, I think that nobody looks at this as the county advisory board.

Exactly.

It is not a county advisory board and the city doesn't look at it that way. What they're looking for, you know, in the end of -- when I was talking to various city mayers is they just want a play to get together and talk about the larger issues, like the ones you're talking about. You know, what we're going to do with water. The homeless issue, may be an issue that surfaces there. Quite a number, local option sales tack. : Exactly.

You know, things like that.

But, you know, if we start -- looking at the issues that affect us SAUL, we'll be, you know, we'll have plenty to work on. And you know, how we run the jail, or you know, what hours we stay open O anything. Nobody is going the care about that.

Right. I agree. I think that as long as we're on the same page, that this is a chance to do a higher level, raise the bar, and for once, as a group, talk about those larger issues that we need to solve as a community. And this would be a good forum. That's why we thought the idea of allowing people to be there, once they're interested, they could end up going off in their own cities to help, they can be on subcommittees and they can raise issues pert NOENT the group.

Indeed. Probably issues that involve maybe two or three cities or two or three cities in the county and they can go off and do what's necessary. And what I would hope we would do, too, is get to the point where if there was something to work on, that we would actually assign people to work on that, or get their cities to take a look at and report back that you know, things actually happen and get done.

That's the vision that I believe we were heading down. I'm just going to make sure. We'll try to communicate that. I think if you can communicate that, Mr. Daniels, together, with any other council members that come, I think we'll start off on the right foot.

Yeah, and I think that's what they're all looking forward to.

Okay.

The second paragraph of the news release that we would send out says a round table will consist of one member each from SLURN citys and Government. The meeting is -- county wide issues and concerns. The Volusia county council will hold the meetings -- during the first meeting, officials will determine the focus of the group, define future topics and schedule regular meeting dates. Does that seem satisfactory and descriptive properly?

I have a question. I heard that the only ones that we are providing the free meal to are the ones, the designated person, everyone else is going to have to pay.

Correct. They're not paying, they bring their own lunch.

Okay. They can bring their own lunch.

Or go out in the concourse of the airport ask get something to eat.

Hope willfulfully, they all know that.

-- hopefully, they all know that.

We're putting that in the notice that's going out.

I don't want to see any unhappy faces, we thought we had a free meal over here.

No, no, just for the -- just for the ones that are the designated person.

We'll communicate that individually to the cities.

Okay. Is that it, sir?

That's -- the one thing Mr. Party son, we may do, is -- Patterson, we may have coffee for everybody in general, but that would be. Okay. That's it. T thank you very much, Mr. Chair -- I was running late.

We were dragging as long as we could.

All right. There is a motion on the floor for adjournment, a second from Mrs. Den NEEN, any other further business be ever this council? Seeing none, all those in favor signifyed by aye, we are adjourned until November -- December 11th.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

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