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RMC Meeting Minutes (Public)

(Monday 9/8 & Tuesday morning 9/9)

Attendees:

Registrar Management Committee Meeting Roster

Monday, September 08, 2003

Name Company

**Mike Roberts (RMC Chair) Boeing

Ed Bayne Boeing

Nik Sutton Boeing

Tim Lee Boeing

**Dale Gordon SAE - Member at large

Jawed Khan ISA Registrars

**Luiz C. M. Brandao Jr. Embraer

Alfredo Zina Correia Embraer

Jeff Carr NQA

Tony Marino Boeing

Sidney Vianna DNV

Julie Sanders Boeing

Miguel Gaitan BVQI

Deborah True Rolls-Royce

**Colin Clarke Bombardier Aerospace

Gary Minks TUV America

Phil Klukas RWTUV USA

Mike Hopkins RWTUV USA

Carlos Alberto de Sousa CTA Brazil

Miguel Rocha INMETRO – Brazil

Michael Harrell Underwriters Laboratories

Fredrick Becker Intertek

Douglas Trichel Vought Aircraft

Andre Forcier Intertek

Devin Samuelson Honeywell

Paula Nation Tinker AFB

Walter Long OC-ALC/LGQ Tinker AFB

George Udris Parker Aerospace

George Dramowicz Honeywell

Chuck Russo ABS Quality Evaluations

Bernadette Martinez ABS Quality Evaluations

Carl Blazik IAAR CIS Registrars

Wayne Thomas Dunlop Standard Aviation Group

Trudy Keaveney NQA

Lee Bravener Bravener & Associates

**Paul Trotochaud UTC-P&W

**Rick Downs Cessna

Dave Eagan Northrop Grumman

Jack Fletcher Northrop Grumman

Darris Martin Lockheed Martin

**Mike Gallagher Lockheed Martin

Pete Kucan PRI Registrars

Dan Smith GEAE

Reg Blake IAAR / BSI America

Lori Scheid ANSI-RAB

Hollie Last Standards Council Canada

Jay Myers SAE

Dominic Townsend SGS

Rob Morris SGS

Marshall Hickey UTC / OASIS

Roger Ritterbeck QMI

Elizabeth Wagner QMI

** Voting Members

Attendance Statistics

Attendance: Total 52

OEMs 23

CRBs 22

ABs 3

SAE 2

DoD 2

Represented: OEMs 13

CRBs 16

ABs 3

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Meeting Minutes

1. RMC 101 Mike Roberts

Mike lead a session of RMC 101 - basic training of what the RMC is about, why it is exists, who is engaged, including the relationship to the IAQG. Also touched on future meetings.

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2. Closed Session - RMC OEMs & SAE Only

Buehler / Gordon leaving created vacancies. Rick Downs was voted in to fill Don Buehler’s slot during Wichita meeting.

At Large Membership

Members polled to accept Dale Gordon as new At Large Member - no objections voiced: Decision: Dale Gordon was voted into RMC as At-Large member.

Additional OEM Member

RMC asked that 7th member be Mike Gallagher - no objections voiced: Decision: Mike Gallagher (Lockheed) elected to RMC.

Sub-team Membership

Dale Gordon proposed RMC active participants join the OASIS team

RMC Members:

Mike Roberts - Boeing

Luiz Brandao - Embraer

Jay Park - Northrop Grumman

Paul Trotochaud - UTC PW

Colin Clarke - Bombardier

Rick Downs - Cessna

Mike Gallagher - Lockheed

Sub Team committee membership:

Auditor Review Team

Colin Clarke - Bombardier

Mike Gallagher - Lockheed

Rick Downs - Cessna

Luiz Brandao - Embraer

Surveillance Team

Tim Lee - Boeing

Paul Trotochaud - UTC PW

Reg Blake - IAAR

Randy Dougherty RAB

OASIS Team

Marshall Hickey - UTC

Dale Gordon - At Large

Oversight Team Membership

Decision: Mike Roberts and Dale Gordon will be 2 of 3 AAQG / RMC Oversight team members. 3rd member still open –

Action: Several RMC participants volunteered for this position, pending approval from their management. Names needed immediately in order to support October IAQG in Cincinnati. Volunteers to send confirmation/sorry to Mike Roberts by September 19. Mike and Dale to review candidates and select representative. If no volunteers come forth, Mike and Dale to work with Dave Eagan to select a representative from the AAQG OEM members.

Tempe Planning Team

Mike requested volunteers to plan the annual meeting -- none came forward. Mike & Ed Bayne to coordinate this activity

3. RMC Review

Organization / Membership Mike Roberts

General review / overview of Membership & Organization

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Incorporation Dale Gordon

Move the RMC under the legal entity of the Americas Sector group - separate from SAE committee work – “act as companies versus individuals” -- possible name was “SAE Institute”

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Review of Last Meeting Actions Mike Roberts

4. Resolution of Resolutions Log Lori Scheid

Action: Mike & Lori will work remaining two resolutions and post final version on web –

Current posted Resolution Log:

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5. SCC Report Holly Last

Discussion on whether an NQI lead auditor (approval vs. certification) is recognized resulted in agreement that NQI lead auditors are recognized as RMC acceptable but will not receive a “Wallet Card”

Bottom line: Since SCC is recognized by the RMC, when SCC recognizes an auditor, it is acceptable to the RMC. Action: RAB and SCC/NQI to continue discussion on cross recognition issues.

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6. RAB Report Lori Scheid

Lori walked through metrics:

RAB has completed populating their OASIS data information, including AEAs and CRBs

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7. INMETRO Report Miguel Rocha

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8. Sub-Team : Auditor Review Team Colin Clarke

Every thing working well - only caution is to ensure that the proposed auditors truly meet the experience requirement as the RMC requirements are firm

No presentation material

9. Sub-Team: OASIS Database Sub-team Report Dale Gordon

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SAE Report Jay Myers

Jay provided a “Live” demo

Reminder - entry data can be “Saved” progressively, but will not be shown until “Submitted”

CRB Data Input Demo Reg Blake

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Note change from meeting discussion. Requirement for CRB’s to enter audit information into the database has been in AIR5359 since version “A”. Therefore, effective with the commencement of the OASIS database on 1 July 2003, all registration/certification/audit information must be input into the OASIS database. There is no 6-month grace period, as was suggested in the RMC meeting. This was clarified, and re-emphasized during the AAQG meeting on Tuesday afternoon.

RMC has challenged each OEM and CRB to proactively encourage data entry into the OASIS database, without waiting for the 3-year registration cycle to come around. CRBs to remind clients that OEM have agreed to use the single (OASIS) database, and will most likely make supplier decisions based upon the information contained in it.

10. Sub-Team: Surveillance Team Tim Lee

• Oversight Schedule (review & update)

• OEM Support / Replacements

• Contacts and Auditor Information

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11. FAA Letter / AS9104 Dale Gordon

Presentation to be made available after review with FAA

12. Documentation Hierarchy / Flow Ed Bayne

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13. Documentation Planning / Sub-Team Mike Roberts

Mike requested the RMC sanction a sub-team to define the document flow, what should be ASs vs ARPs vs AIRs, IAQG vs AAQG vs RMC Procedures, internal writings, process flows, OEM documentation, etc.

George Dramowicz, Honeywell, accepted Team Leadership of sub-team.

Action: Mike Roberts will update the RMC Organization / structure chart to reflect new sub-team.

14. Review of AIR5359B Changes / Implementation Dale Gordon

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15. RMC Procedure 102 / AIR5359B changes Tim Lee

Tim Lee has updated procedure 102 to reflect AIR5359B changes – Action: Lori Scheid to review draft and comment back to Tim Lee

Tim also proposed further revisions to doc 102 –

Action: Surveillance oversight team is to put a more formal document together, including the possibility of conversion to an AIR document. -- Dale Gordon joined the writing / revision team

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16. Closed Session with ABs Mike Roberts

CRB Problems / Issues

1) reporting of problems to RMC (example)

2) procedure for RMC reporting to OEMs

Lori to communicate issues with RMC Chair (Mike Roberts) - Mike to then forward on to RMC as appropriate.

3) Process for posting general information, or alerts to changed or new information.

Action: Mike Roberts to work with Jay Myers regarding a Bulletin Board type of information sharing.

4) Confidentiality Agreement discussion - decision or action –

• Remind CRBs that anything more than what is stated in AIR5359 in confidentiality needs addressed up front.

• OEMs that participate in witness audits need to understand their company policy on confidentiality.

5) Auditor Problems / Issues none reported

6) 20% RMC rejection on AEAs - questionable data

• Some auditors seem to have poorly written resumes, some CRBs do not perform an adequate job of reviewing and sorting out questionable resumes, and sometimes ABs are allowing questionable resumes through to the RMC.

Action: Mike and Lori to see if improvements can be made.

7) RMC Audit review team has not had any issues with the AA applications for over a year. Mike recommends that the RAB performs this function without RMC approvals, and will be audited during the annual RAB office review.

Action: Colin to collect data, create and document a process, and implement a surveillance methodology for ABs to approve AAs without RMC review.

8) "RAB Certified" training

Mike reported that the ASQ seemed to be mis-advertising “AS9100 certified training” when it will not fulfill the requirements of AIR5359 for AEAs.

New AB Concerns – none expressed

New SAE Concerns – none expressed

OASIS Concerns – Jay expressed concern that only 10 audits have been input from the Americas during the past 2-½ months. More to be discussed in open sessions.

17. Surveillance Training, Issues, Q&A Tim Lee

Oversight Training

Oversight Assessment Preparation

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18. Navigating the RMC Web Mike Roberts

Mike gave a primer on Public vs Private sections of the Web

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19. Issues

Multisite Registrations Mike Roberts

The RMC position on multisite certificates is to support IAF guidance 62 annex 3 and the ABs & CRBs ability to enforce & police. RMC OEM surveillance / oversight will place emphasis during office / witness reviews along with the ABs emphasis of CRB implementing of multisite certifications.

Action: Mike Roberts to raise the OASIS multisite entry expectation to the IAQG Oversight Team for clarification.

Scope Exclusions Mike Roberts

The RMC does not sanction any exclusions from scope of 9100 outside those allowed for in the standard. The surveillance team must review the exclusion process during the office and witness audit activity.

AS9101 Scoring Mike Roberts

Dynamic process -- each visit may change a score of a specific section

Trudy reported that some individuals have trouble opening the embedded files in the training material.

Action: Mike Roberts to look into this. Also, some paragraph references in material may be inaccurate.

20. CRB's Have the Floor Reg Blake Carl Blazik

CRBs (through Reg Blake) have offered to lead the creation of a guidance document to describe the process and application of AIR5359.

RMC created a sub-team to implement this task. Reg Blake to lead.

Action: Mike Roberts to update the RMC organization chart with appropriate information.

21. General Issues Discussion - Open Floor All

Floor was open, but few comments were made. No actions taken.

22. Action Item Review Mike Roberts

Ed Bayne read the actions that he captured (see Red above). Membership was asked if there were any other actions. No additional topics or actions were discussed.

23. Comments on IAQG and OT in Cincinnati Dale Gordon

24. Comments on January '04 Meeting in Tempe Mike Roberts

25. Adjourn at 11:45am.

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