That Witch Life



TWLEpisode57 Sun, 11/1 4:40PM ? 1:17:21SUMMARY KEYWORDScandle, spell, magic, witch, people, toenail, movie, cat, healing spells, rabies, healing, beeswax, madame, hilary, witches, sister, witchcraft, sacred, umm, daySPEAKERSKanani, Intro music, Madame Pamita, Courtney Hoover, Hilary, Screaming Goat, (Exit Music)Intro music 00:0320 years ago, three young friends realized they were witches. They scattered to different parts of the world following Magick and Spirit. Now, they're back in their hometown to share what they've learned. Welcome to That Witch Life Podcast. Your home for living as a Witch in today's world.Hilary 00:47Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of that witch life podcast. I'm Hilary. I'm your host today and I'm joined by my co hosts, Courtney Courtney Hoover 00:55Hello,Hilary 00:57and Kanani Kanani 00:58HelloHilary 01:00We have a really exciting episode for you today. Madam pamita is going to be joining us to discuss candle magick. Kanani watched the new Craft movie and has lots of thoughts about it.Courtney Hoover 01:10Yeah, we got a couple of text previews of her thoughts. And so I'm like, hold on well, wait. Hilary 01:15I bet you're like, don't do it yet. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Um, but yeah, so and so how is everyone? How is everyone Samhain?Courtney Hoover 01:24Well, I am so tired this morning because my husband and I slept under our ancestor altar last night. Hilary 01:32Under it??Courtney Hoover 01:33We slept under it. Yep. We did our ritual. And then we slept under the altar. We're just like, we're gonna we're gonna do this. And oh my god. So there was no sleep. One, the ancestors showed up in a big way to both of us both in when we were awake and when we were asleep. And then because we were sleeping in a different room, our animals were having a total meltdown. And the cats walked on us all night and the dog paced the house crying because he was scared wondering why we weren't sleeping in the bed. Oh my god, there's been no sleep for me. But I did have a dream with the two of you in it, I thought was very poignant. It was the last dream I had. And we were all in a vineyard. And it was really beautiful. And there was a lot of music playing. And then Hilary, you looked at Kanani and I and said, "Okay, before we get to our recording, I need to go to my house and fix food, fix food for my family who's coming over. My mom's coming by and a bunch of other family members as well and you know how long it takes when family comes by"!? And it didn't occur to me that oh, this is the Samhain Feast. Kanani and I were just like uhh okay, well, do what you gotta do. Hilary 02:36You're like, uh, okay, Hilary.Courtney Hoover 02:38Yeah, alright, Hilary. And then Kanani umm somebody gave Kanani and I a gallon of ice cream that was jalapeno cheddar cashew flavored. And it was really good and Kanani didn't eat it. Hilary 02:52I was gonna be like, in a good way??Courtney Hoover 02:54No I know it is weird, but it was a good way. And I had one bite and then kanani took the rest. And that sounds right. Yeah,Kanani 03:03Right. That's it. That sounds right. Hilary 03:05Yeah, sometimes dreams aren't realistic. This one, realistic?Courtney Hoover 03:08 Yeah. But, but then what was so what well.. before people get confused. That's actually, those really strong flavors in strange combinations is very typical of food of the ancestors or when people have visions of eating in the world of the dead or eating with the ancestors, they eat things that are like, what the fuck that's, that's gross. But, you know, my husband's theory is that when you're no longer have a corporeal form that... is corporeal, the right word? did I just say something really strange?Kanani 03:44I tune out most of your big words, so I can not be helpful.Courtney Hoover 03:46(laughing) okay.. alright, well, Hilary 03:48I don't think that's quite the right word. I don'tCourtney Hoover 03:50I don't know whatever word means body. Um, so when you don't have a body anymore physical form, when you don't have taste buds that the probably the memories you have are the strongest flavors and you no longer reallyHilary 04:05That's that's so funny. And it was late too we were we did it later than usual because I did it with my roommate and she climbed, she summited South sister yesterday morning. So she didn't get back until. Until like, I don't know, like 5:36 and then someone and then our Walter got picked up. that makes senseCourtney Hoover 04:05 think about it. Yeah, no longer think about would I eat ice cream with jalapenos and cheddar in it, other than at some hipster place in downtown Portland? Umm Yeah, so that was so so I crossed into both of your experiences with the dead last night as part of mine and when I woke up this morning and saw the picture of Hilary's ancestor altar that she sent to Kanani and I over Facebook Messenger. I was like, aha, that's, that's who that's why Hillary had to rush off to make food for her mother. Now I remember NooooooHilary 04:57I mean, we're really happy for him because he's going to a lovely place that will take care of him while he gets neutered. And then he's going to this like really amazing small forever sanctuary farm. But we were so sad. I was like, oh no. So by the time we actually got to making dinner, that's probably why you saw me being like, Oh my god, I gotta get this ready..like we're so late. I'm gonna be late for making dinner. My ancestors are gonna be so pissed!Courtney Hoover 05:26As tired as I am Hilary and as sad as you are to see Walter, the foster pig go. At least neither one of us has rabies or needed a toe amputated.Hilary 05:35That's true, which I don't have rabies. I actually got vaccinated against rabies. So I'm setCourtney Hoover 05:42Ahhh Kanani, how are you doing?!Hilary 05:44I legitimately did though.Kanani 05:47I decided... I don't remember why; my kids, one of them had had something like, like a really good note that had come home from school about really good tests or something like that, that they done phenomenal on on all their tests. So I, I decided that, you know, Hey, you know what, I'm going to take you guys out for lunch today, they have about an hour window in between zooms. And so we go downstairs, we get in the car, and we're about to pull away. And as I look out at the front of the car, I see an orange cat. And I look at my kids. And I go is that Max? and my daughter just starts crying hysterically. And she's like, Oh, my God, he got out of the house, he got out of the house. And so I'm like, calm down. I'm gonna I'm gonna get him. Everybody get out of the car. So I turn off the car, I walk over to the cat it kind of runs away. And I'm like, Well, yeah, he's, you know, outside, like, what the hell is all this stuff? and so I walk over to it, it let me pick it up and my daughter is hysterically sobbing. And I toss her the car keys. I'm like, go open the front door, we'll put him back in the house and then we'll go get lunch. And so we go up the stairs. And as we're going up the stairs, the cat starts squirming and trying to get away from me, and kind of scratching me and I'm like, Okay, well, maybe he and my daughter is hysterically crying. And so my adrenaline is just like through the roof. And, and I'm just like, you know, trying to keep her calm. And I'm like, just relax, just deep breaths. And she gets to the front door. And just as she's about to open the door, she's, you know, crying so hard. She's having a hard time unlocking the door. And I can't help because I'm trying to hold the struggling cat. And, and just before she's able to open the door, the cat just scratches the shit out of me and just darts away. And it darted away so fast. I couldn't even tell whether it went to the right or the left. My daughter looks back at when she's flung open the door, and there's no cat. And so she is hysterical. And I'm like calm down, leave the door open. I'm like Gavin, I'm like, you know, Gavin and I are gonna go downstairs, we're gonna find him, we start frantically looking for the cat. And my adrenaline is still like through the roof. But at this point, in my head, I keep thinking, why when we got to the front door, was he not wanting to go in the house? Like it just certain things were not making sense. And so as we're running around trying to trying to find this cat, and we cannot find this cat, I yell up at my daughter, who's upstairs and I say look in the house and see if the cat is in there. And she's hysterical. And she starts running through the house. And of course the cats always hide. So she's having to run through the house, try and figure out where the cats are and where they're sleeping and she runs back out and she goes, Mom, he's in the house.Hilary 08:42You tried to steal like you tried to steal a stranger's cat.Kanani 08:45And then and I'm like, Oh, my God. So then I'm like, then I'm relieved because she's not crying anymore. And instead, she's like, thrown herself on top of the cat. So my son and I, you know, go back upstairs, she's, she won't let go of the cat. She's sobbing. She's so happy he's there. And I'm just like, Okay, I'm like, everything's okay. And then I realize, okay, I'm looking at my arms, which are bruised and scratched. Cuz some of the scratches in the welts were so bad that they bruised. And like I'm looking at my arm right now, I still have marks on my arms. And this was now six or seven days ago. And I'm like, well, awesome. So I just got scratched the shit out of me by a stray cat. And as we're driving to get lunch, I call my doctor. And I'm just like, yeah, I might need to be seen. I'm like, because I just got the shit scratched out of me by a stray cat. I have no idea whether or not it's been vaccinated. And as I'm saying this, I'm realizing that they're thinking like, why were you close enough to a stray cat? like to have gotten like mauled like that?Courtney Hoover 08:51Because I thought it was mineKanani 09:28They're like...who does this?! Yeah, I mean, they're just like, okay....Hilary 10:00You're like, I couldn't recognize my own cat, okay?? so just give me the medication that I need! Courtney Hoover 10:05LISTEN! I have been at home learning. It's COVID it's Samhain season, and I'm trying to be fucking spooky, motherfucker. And so I steal somebody's cat. Oh my god.Kanani 10:15I wasn't even thinking it wasn't until later where I started kind of when the adrenaline started coming down that I was thinking a little more clearly that I was like, let's make sure that was our cat. And then I call my husband and he's like, oh, I've seen that cat before, it looks just like Max. And I'm like, you know what? not helpful. Not fucking helpful. And he was like, well, I told you, I saw that cat a couple months ago. I'm like, I don't listen when you talk, you know that. And he just looked at me and he just, you know, rolled his eyes because that's our love language. And so I was so annoyed because he has seen the cat he knew of the cat and he knew that there was a stray cat somewhere around that looked just like our cat. So I was like, son of a bitch!! So anyway, so I go through all of this, and I make the doctor's appointment for the next day because I have rabies. And so my husband, he comes home, he looks at my arms, and he's like, holy balls. And I'm like, I didn't make dinner. I don't you know, I'm not in the mood, my arms hurt. I'm hopped up on Tylenol, I just want to lay down and he's like, Well, why don't I go get dinner, you know, order something online. I'll go pick it up. And I'm like, Alright, fine. So I was trying to clean up everything, put it back, we have kind of an electronics tote for all of our rando stuff. And I was trying to shove it back under the bed. And somehow in doing it, I was like, I still don't quite know how I like lost my balance. And I inadvertently kicked one ankle with the other foot. And I ripped off my toenail.Courtney Hoover 11:44Ah....Screaming Goat 11:44SCREAMING GOATKanani 11:48yes. And, and of course, my husband had left to pick up dinner. So it's me and two kids. And I just immediately hit the floor and I start getting the pain sweats. And I call for my daughter and I'm just like, honey, Mommy needs ice in a bucket. Please, Mommy, please bring me some ice in a bucket.Courtney Hoover 12:06And if there's any vodka, bring that too! Kanani 12:08Oh, God. Well, she had no idea that the bucket was because I was 99% convinced I was gonna puke. Yeah. And I looked down and there's blood all over my hand. I'm like, honey, could you please bring me some paper towels? And I'm like, you know, I'm sure I'm white at this point. But I'm like, trying to like, keep her calm, because if she knows I'm in pain she's gonna freak out. And so she brings me a paper towel. She's like, are you okay? And I'm like, Yeah yeah, I'm fine. Please bring mommy her phone. And so she brings me my phone and I called Courtney. I call your husband. This is what he does. And Hilary 12:40you're like I need a nurse!Kanani 12:41I'm like, I'm like, Hey, how's it going? I'm here alone with two kids ripped off my toenail. What should I do? And he's like, Oh, hey, how's it going?Courtney Hoover 12:50 Well, it was so funny, because earlier, here's the thing Kanani calls me almost every day. And normally it's when she's at Target, and she's bored or when she's in the Starbucks drive thru line, and she's bored. And so she calls me just to fill a space. So if I get one missed call from Kanani, I don't like think, Oh, she must have something to tell me. But if I get three missed calls within like five minutes of each other, it means there's emergency. So I got that. And I called her and she's like, I have rabies. And I'm like, are you foaming at the mouth? And she's like, well, no more than usual. But yeah, and I'm like, Okay, well, we talked through it and I'm like, well, you might, I don't know that you get rabies from a cat scratch, but you know, it's not a bad idea to go to the doctor and she's like, Okay, so then later, I'm asleep on the couch. And I hear my husband talking to a very upset woman. And I assume it's it's one of his relatives in Ohio, who called him upset regularly because we're in election season. And I just hear him going like, it's okay darlin, it's gonna be fine. It's gonna be fine. No, you're gonna be okay. And then he gets off the phone. He says to me, Hey, I don't want to make this weird. But your best friend just called me really upset. She broke her like her. She ripped her toenail off and I just am like, half asleep and I'm like, wait, Doesn't she have rabies? And he's like, WHAT?!Hilary 14:08You're like..uhh...But I thought she had rabies are you sureKanani 14:12If you only have one major illness at a time what's happening?Hilary 14:16I know. You're like, are you sure you got the correct ailment?Courtney Hoover 14:21I'm like, what, what, what else? what now? what now? rabies and missing toenails?? Hilary 14:27Oh my god.Kanani 14:27Oh, it was awful. And like the whole time I'm talking to him. I have my foot in a sink. And I'm like rinsing it off. And it's like, Oh, it's so gross. And I just gotten off the phone with it. And I was like, I'm like, I usually wouldn't call. I'm like, but Georgia's in here right now. And I don't have the wherewithal to be like googling What the fuck to do when your toenail falls off? and I'm alone with two kids. So can I have another adult on the phone that could help me out? and he was like, Oh, yeah, no problem Courtney Hoover 14:54he's also a medical person, make that also clearKanani 14:56 as soon as Yeah, as soon as I get off the phone with him. I don't even know what the kids told told my husband when he walked in, but he comes rushing in, and he's like, What the hell is going on?? and my foots in the sink and I'm like, Yeah, kind of ripped off my toenail. And he's like, I was only gone 15 minutes. I'm like, this is what happens when you leave. This is why you're not allowed to leave. So, yeah, that was my week.Courtney Hoover 15:24(laughing hysterically) I'm sorry. I've been makingKanani 15:26and my marital love language is eye rolling.Courtney Hoover 15:30It's just so good. I'm sorry (continues laughing) I'm glad I'm glad that you feel better and that you don't have rabies. But it gets you back for myKanani 15:38 It was so much more fun when I went to the doctor the next day, because I already had the appointment for the scratches. And she said some of them were pretty bad and she's like, well, she's like, let me know if they don't start to improve, because we'll put you on antibiotics. And she's like, but at this point, I think you're okay, as long as they keep healing the way they should. And I'm like, yeah, we don't really need to worry about the scratches, please look at my toe. And she was like, Oh, dear God. Well, I'm just like, yeah, the rabies is no longer my problem. My problem is now the fact that I ripped off my toenail. Let's let's work with that.Courtney Hoover 16:12Well, and I should also so, so the audience does not think that I'm totally cruel and heartless, what you must understand is that many years ago, when there was an Ebola outbreak in New York City, and I and a break out in like, there were three people that got it. And I was living in New York City at the time, and I had a lung infection, of course, because they were very concerned about Ebola. They were, you know, planning to test me for Ebola as well. And I was like, Fuck, because if Kanani hears that I'm getting an Ebola test, she's gonna tell everybody that I do indeed have Ebola. Well, oh, she was posting on Kanani 16:42Well, yeah. that's what a good friend does. Courtney Hoover 16:45Well, also backstories is one of the reasons we started this podcast, is because people would actually friend Kanani and I just to watch the meme battles that we would put on each other's pages. And that one where she would bombard me with you have Ebola memes for like two days, and people actually thought I had Ebola because of Kanani! So if I got her for having rabies, she is because she told the world that I had Ebola, which I did not have!Kanani 17:10You know, you've ruined Ebola. Because now if I get Ebola, it's not fun anymore. So you've already ruined that for me, so you can at least let me have rabies.Hilary 17:20So kanani you watched The Craft Legacy. Kanani 17:26Man!Hilary 17:26and I am, I have purposely not watched it because I wanted to hear it from you firstCourtney Hoover 17:33Okay, no, me tooHilary 17:34First of all, tell us about The Craft Legacy and then tell us what you think about it.Kanani 17:39Let me start by saying this. I was so ready to hate this movie; bag on this movie, and be like David Duchovny is the only great part of this movie, which he was a great part of the movie, let me tell you, but I fucking love this movie!!!Courtney Hoover 17:56Oh, wow!Kanani 17:59I am going to say I like this movie better than the original. Courtney Hoover 18:04Whoa, Hilary 18:05okay. Kanani 18:05I just said that.Hilary 18:06I'm actually I don't know, I might be offended.Courtney Hoover 18:09I just got chills right nowKanani 18:12This movie is so relevant, that when you watch The Craft, there's a lot of things that you can crap on about the old Craft, right? Like about how the girls just couldn't take the power and they weren't responsible? And they just I don't know. It didn't it doesn't age well, right?! The original Craft didn't age well, like we all loved it then and we still love it for what it was, but it did not age well. 25 years from now, this movie I think will still be relevant.Courtney Hoover 18:48Holy shit. I don't even know what to say. Kanani 18:50I know! This.... I am excited at this point, I don't think I would let my daughter watch this movie; I still think she's a little too young. But I'm excited for my daughter to watch this movie. I think that what the old Craft did then, which I mean, it was it was a huge awakening for a lot of people. Not necessarily the best example. But you know, it was fun, right? It was exciting. It was a look into something that other people hadn't been privy to. This is like next level of that. Like, because it's much more relevant and applicable. And I'm not going to say that it's like, there were certain parts about it where it's like, you have to have four for a coven because one person has to be each element like (makes farting noise) Sorry, no, but the everything about it I like I love the movie. Okay, so now I'm going to try and tell you about the movie without spoilers, but I will say you have to watch the movie. I love the movie. So the movie is about this girl Lilly, who moves with her mother into David Duchovny's house; who is her mother's fiance, and he has three sons. So she's moved to a new town. And on her first day of school, she meets these three girls who had been looking for a fourth for their coven and they befriend her. The friendship aspect in this movie is phenomenal. And I think that's the other thing from whereas the dichotomy from the 90s movie was it was very kind of superficial and phony, right? It was still kind of Valley girlish, the friendship was very seemed very shallow. This was a wonderful depiction of friendship. Umm they become friends, they start to come into their power, they start to do some practicing. They do do some work on a guy that was that had been a douche, similar to that for the first movie, which to me was one of the it was it was a very different movie. It had more depth and storyline. So to me, that actually is the one of the few similarities between the previous movie and this movie was the fact that they had kind of done magic on this douchey guy. Other than that, it was very much its own separate movie and storylines and there's consequences to that and things that happen. I loved the ending of this movie so much better. This movie involves female empowerment, finding your power, it does not crap on women finding their power and women not realizing how to use their power. It shows consequence in using your power unwisely, and then learning from it; as opposed to, there's a consequence for using your power, so now we're not gonna use power anymore. They do have a phenomenal cameo for Firuzah Balk and...which you're kind of waiting for the whole time and you are not disappointed when it happens. And they have completely set this movie up for a sequel. And I'm telling you right now, I will watch the sequel.Courtney Hoover 22:12Okay, wow.Kanani 22:13So... Hilary 22:14That is not what I was expecting.Kanani 22:16I know. And I was super excited to crap all over this movie. And I am not crapping on this movie. And I think one of the reasons is It's its own story. Like they're not doing that story again, and they have the the one similarity I haven't like i said I, to be fair, I haven't watched the old Craft in a really long time, so there might be other similar storylines that it brought with it. But I didn't feel like I was watching the same movie, only now it's a completely different you can have no idea what that other movie was, watch this movie, and be totally into it. So now you have to watch it. As soon as we're done recording. You have to go watch this movie.Courtney Hoover 23:02Okay! Hilary 23:02I'm, I'm glad to hear that it wasn't just a straight up remake, because I tend to hate those because I'm just like, Okay, why just make it again? You know? Like, what? Why?Kanani 23:15I'm kind of excited to see what you guys think to hear your reviewHilary 23:18 I'm now Now I.. Courtney, I think that you and I need to like watch this via zoom.Courtney Hoover 23:23It'd be really funny and Kanani,Hilary 23:25or at least be like on the phone together.Courtney Hoover 23:27So, for next episode, though, let's have your husband watch the Craft and you record his reaction. Hilary 23:34the original original. Courtney Hoover 23:34Original. You have him do the movie review.Hilary 23:39Oh my god, I'm gonna die. It's gonna be so funny. Courtney Hoover 23:41Record that and then we'll play it on the episode. Hilary 23:43He's gonna be like, I don't know what bullshit this is, but. Kanani 23:46Yeah, exactly. He's gonna be like, that was dumb. What? What is happening? Oh, here's my other thing. Here's the one of the other things that I loved. I don't think this is a spoiler. I'll say spoiler alert, just in case, but I don't think it I don't think it really is because it's not a plot point, per se. There is a trans witch.Courtney Hoover 24:06Yay, Hilary 24:07That's awesome. Kanani 24:09One of the witches is trans. Hilary 24:11I'm so glad that they have trans representation. And like, that's really great. Kanani 24:14Yeah, that was something that I was very excited about I was very excited about the diversity. Um, like I said, this movie, I think is going to age very, very well, because there were some very important politic.. like, sexual, political statements as far as acceptance and tolerance and inclusion and things like that, that were awesome and super exciting.Hilary 24:40So we had some fun this week doing an interview for for the Mary Sue.Courtney Hoover 24:48Yes, Jessica Mason, thank you forHilary 24:51 I know Jessica Mason hooked it up with this interview and we were interviewed about well, it's kind of about witchcraft in relation to the release of the new Craft movie, so we answered some questions about, you know, about inaccuracies in the film and basic witchcraft and like, so on and so forth. So we'll link it in our episode notes. So you should definitely go read it. It was really fun to do. So that was super fun, oh also, we have Courtney's class, The Dangerous Goddess coming up on November 10, at 7pm Central, for those that aren't good at figuring out different times, that's 5pm Pacific and 8pm, New York, New York City, East Coast time, East Coast time, and Tickets are available. Also, if you want to be part of the class, but can't attend that specific time, you can purchase a ticket and they will be where it will be recorded. So you can watch it later.Courtney Hoover 25:51Yeah. So this in this class focuses on three different Goddesses: Brigid, The Morrigan, and Hakate. Um, basically breaking through the stereotypes of some Goddesses being "good" and some being "bad", because even the ones that have rumors for being sweet and healing and light, also kick some serious ass and the ones that can be considered to be kind of "scary" can also be very kind. But the truth is, is that these goddesses at the end of the day are dangerous. So yeah, let's talk all about these goddesses, please join me it's super fun. And like an Oh, also, it is ASL accessible. So for people, Hilary 26:30fantastic Courtney Hoover 26:30people who are deaf or hard of hearing, you'll be able to participate with us and delight Hilary 26:35Fantastic! So I'm excited for that I'm going to actually try and attend. Okay, so the other exciting thing you guys have seen, probably, if you've been to our Etsy shop, that we have an ancestor spell kit up, and it's been going fast. So if you want to get in on that, definitely go check it out, we will also have some new spell kits coming up for the holidays. So keep an eye out for that. We'll be announcing that on an episode and any of our social media platforms when we're ready for that. So get in there if you still want an ancestor kit, though, because they are going fast. For those of you. 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Thank you to Sacred Mists Shoppe and Sacred Mists Academy for being an episode sponsor. Hilary 33:52Well, we are thrilled to welcome Madame Pamita. Madame Pamita is a Tarot Reader, Spiritualist, Spellcaster, Teacher, Author, and a Maker of Magic, Music, and Mischief. She is the host of a popular YouTube Channel, and the host of the “Magic and the Law of Attraction” podcast, and is the author of Madame Pamita’s Magical Tarot; published by Weiser Books and The Book of Candle Magic published by Llewellyn. She is also the proprietress of the online spiritual apothecary, the Parlour of Wonders; which you can find at – and she lives in Los Angeles, California. Welcome to our show, Madame Pamita. We're thrilled to have you on.Madame Pamita 34:32I'm so excited to be here. This is going to be fun! I love having talks about magic and spiritual things and so we're going to have a great time today.Hilary 34:41We are definitely going to have a great time. So we'll start with asking you what we ask everyone that comes on on our show. How did you first know that you were a witch or a magical person?Madame Pamita 34:52Oh my gosh. Well, I grew up in a magical household my grandmother; my Ukrainian grandmother, which is my mother's mother was a healer, which you could call a viedma in Ukrainian, which is considered a witch, but they're heal, they're more like healers. They're, they're more akin to like a curadora in Mexican culture. You know, they're healing people, they're helping people. And they're Catholic. You know, they're Catholic witches. So I, my, I never met my grandmother, she died before I was born. But my mom carried on the sort of legend and lore of that, and she was very magical with me. So I knew that I was a witch. Well, I can remember, my gosh, being little kid, there wasn't very much information. I'm 56 years old. So this is back in the 70s, a little kid. And I would find a little thing here and there, uhh witches will look at the full moon and turn around three times and bow to it. And that's how you become a witch. And so I'm like, Okay, I'm going to go in the backyard and I'm going to do that.Hilary 35:56Oh my god, that's adorable!Madame Pamita 35:58So, I don't think there was any time that I wasn't at least in some form, attempting kind of solitary magic when there wasn't any information out there, you know, not like today not like an internet and all of that. When I was in middle school/junior high, Diary of a Witch, Sybil Leeks, Diary Of a Witch was in our library, which was amazing in the school library, and I checked that out of course, and pored over it, and analyzed it and took every little bit of information I could from that so and then I picked up my first tarot deck. My mom bought me my first tarot deck when I was 10 years old, so I don't I can't really pinpoint a moment other than I kind of grew up in this witchy environment Catholic witchy I would sit call it lighting candles and church, you know, and and saying a wish that's candle magic. I say that's my first candle magic, you know, so? Yeah, so I can't really think of a time that I wasn't witchy, but you know, it's kind of ebbed and flow flowed for me, you know?Hilary 36:59That's fantastic. Yeah, I feel like there is so much magic in in witchcraft and within other religious practices often we've definitely seen that here before and so I think it's amazing that you know, you were able to kind of draw from that as well into your own practice. It makes total sense because yeah that is candle magic.Courtney Hoover 37:20I'm also about to fire you two and Madame Pamita is gonna be my new best friend because she is talking about Eastern European magic and hoodoo. Two things which are which I've been trying to branch out and embrace more in my own practice. So Madame Pamita, we're best friends now. Just so you know, I hope you're cool with that.Madame Pamita 37:38(laughing)I'm totally cool with that. Hilary 37:40I love that you're like, we'll just cast you aside. That's fine. Okay, whatever. Don't call me when you have an emergency.(laughing)Kanani 37:49As long as your husband still answers the phone when I wound myself, we're all good.Hilary 37:57Courtney's husband is a nurse. So he gets the calls from us panic, hey, we've done something bad to our bodies, like what should we do? help!Courtney Hoover 38:07Kanani's always dramatic with they're like dog attacks, rabies, and losing toenailsHilary 38:11Yeah, it's really she calls in the most dramatic moments. What really drew you initially to candle magic? I know you mentioned in your last response that you know that it was present in Catholicism in which you grew up, I grew up around, was there anything else that as you continue to your magical practice really saw you focusing down that path?Madame Pamita 38:34Well, I, you know, I have to say candle magic is a part of so many spiritual practices. And it really brings us to our very, very, very ancient ancestors, you know, our pre history, prehistoric ancestors. You can imagine, I mean, I try and place myself in that time in my mind's eye and think about the magic of fire, and we do know, you know, from an anthropological standpoint, that fire was absolutely transformative for cultures when they were able to master fire or control fire. It transformed everything. You could stay in colder climates, you could cook your food, there was a lot that transformed our human existence by mastering fire. And so whenever we do candle magic, I feel like we're bringing in some ancient magic really ancient beautiful magic in a very safe way. Relatively safe. I always say you should never leave a candle burning overnight or leave one burning while you leave the house. But you know, it's a very contained sort of a way of working with the element of fire and bringing it into your home and you know, even people that are secular people who aren't spiritual people who don't look at candles spiritually. You they love lighting a candle; who doesn't like a beautiful candle flickering, you know in their home and lighting with that beautiful glow. So I think there's something very primal that we connect to around fire. And candle magic is just our way of connecting to that. So I think that's what brought me in unconsciously I don't think that was a conscious decision. I've always been interested in candles, you know,Hilary 40:20I think that's so I think that's such a good point. Because even though Yeah, those that don't necessarily have a connection to spirituality or, or religious beliefs, like they still you know, it's like, oh, I'm going to light this beautiful candle. It looks so nice. Oh, I'm having a special dinner. I'm going to light the candles. Oh, I went, you know, it's like part of so many of our daily rituals. Madame Pamita 40:40Yeah, yeah. And it's and then we get into the whole spiritual aspect. If you go into any religion, there's an aspect of candle candles being magical. I think for in terms of spell spell casting. One of the things you know, there's lots of different ways that you can do spells, you can do simple incantation, you can do you know, making a charm bag or a mojo bag, you can do, you know, a bath, a cleansing bath. I mean, there's so many different ways you can do magic. But one of the unique things about candle magic, is that you can actually see it happening before your eyes, you know, the candle is burning. And you've seen the progress of that candle burning. And then there's even materials left over afterwards that you can read and interpret if you are so inclined. If you're divinatory person that likes doing divination, you can you know, read the candle flame, you can read this smoke, you can read the wax. I mean, there's so many things, so many aspects to it. So I think that's one of the other things I love about it. You know, I'm so passionate about it.Hilary 41:45That's, that is fantastic. That was one of the sections that I really liked in your book. It was something that I've definitely, I mean, I've I've used smoke, too, for divination before, but I had an enflame and the end flame, but I hadn't thought about the wax, which is really interesting. Like, I don't know why that hasn't occurred to me. But I was like, Wow, that's amazing. I love that a new a new tip and tools to have for sure. So you know what really inspired you to write this book? You know, at what process? Did you go, you know what, I want to write something that speaks to people about candle magic, what really inspired that choice for you?Madame Pamita 42:23Well, I think that that goes to like everything that I do. Everything that I do is motivate motivated by the fact that I want something to be out in the world that doesn't exist. And so I'm looking for that thing I want, I just want to enjoy that thing. And I want to have that thing. And when it doesn't exist, I'm like, Oh crap, I guess I'll have to make that thing. Right. So, for example, I mean, I have my business Parlour of Wonders. One of our cornerstones of our business is that we make beeswax spell candles. So we make shaped candles, we make taper candles, we make pillar candles, we make these candles that are in beeswax and the whole reason that they are there is because I wanted to use beeswax because it's a it's kinder to the earth. And it's kinder to your body than other kinds of wax, paraffin, and so on. And so I wanted that to be out there. No one was making beeswax figural candles or, you know, spell candles. So I said, Okay, I guess I have to make candles. And that's how that whole thing started, you know? So the same thing with the book, the book I wanted there, you know, there's plenty of beautiful books. And believe me, I have every probably every book written about candle magic, because I love researching and looking and learning and gaining more information. But the vast, vast majority of those books are recipe books. Buckland's book is a great example. It's a very, it's a classic candle magic book. But it's a recipe book. It says you know, get a green candle light it on a Friday, put a White Candle next to it. Do this, do that say this say that? And then you're gonna this is a spell for bringing prosperity for example. But it doesn't explain to you why that spell, or why is he using those colors of candles? Or why is why are you doing it in this way. So it didn't. I'm a born teacher I love to teach. It's my passion. I love to teach and I teach about magic I love to teach about you know, empower people to do things for themselves. So I thought, well, gosh, you know, it's great to have a recipe book, but I want there to be a book out there where we show people and teach people how to create, empower them to create their own spells, because it kind of frustrates me that people get so Oh, I didn't do it, right, because I didn't do the exact thing that's on the directions in that book. And I'm like, Oh, no, no, there's plenty of leeway to do lots of different things. So it's a little bit like being a chef. If you're a chef, you can go open the fridge and go Okay, I'm gonna whip up something out of what's here in the fridge. You don't have to have that preciousness of like oh my gosh, I have to have been every ingredient in this recipe, you know? So that kind of empowerment was why I wrote that book because I wanted people to be able to have that experience. Hilary 45:07I love thatCourtney Hoover 45:07Alright, I see a vision of something and Madame Pamita, i think that you should be the host of this show. And it's like Chopped, but we're gonna call it Cast. And you have to basically you give these witches a basket of ingredients. And they have to create a spell out of that in 15 minutesHilary 45:27Oh my god, so it's, basically like the Great British baking show, but spell crafting?Courtney Hoover 45:31 Oh, god, yeah, exactly. Like, it's the most stressful show on television. I haven't seen great British baking show, but Chopped is the most stressful show on Netflix. I swear to God,Hilary 45:42oh my God, it IS very, it's very similar though. It's like you have there'll be like create this in the baking show. It's like create this insane thing. You have one hour. And you're like, What?Courtney Hoover 45:53That's it, I am I am putting this down. And a part of my manifestation list, I'm going to produce this show. And it's going to be a huge winner on Netflix and Madame Pamita is going to host it and we're all gonna get really rich and it's gonna be called Cast and it's basically Chopped Madame Pamita 46:05I love it.Hilary 46:06That's such a good actually, we should literally do that though.Courtney Hoover 46:11If you're listening, you know where to find usHilary 46:13Netflix. We're all over the placeKanani 46:15I'd be the best I'd be the best contestant because I'd be like, Well, first, I drank the wine and ate the cheese. Then, I called for takeout, had it delivered. Tipped well to get it here early and now I have 20 minutes to spare.Courtney Hoover 46:33(laughing)We're actually Kanani, you be one of the judges. And you could just sit there and go. Um, what's that?Kanani 46:40Oh, I could totally be the Simon Cowell of witchcraft. Hilary 46:43Oh my god. Kanani 46:49I can see that as plain as day.Courtney Hoover 46:53Hilary can be the supportive voiceover like, Ooh Madame Pamita has given them a serious challenge today. But you know what? These witches know what they're doing and I really believe in them.Kanani 47:02And I can be like, they all suck! You see what they're doing? Why would they do that?!Hilary 47:06Oh my god. Oh my god.Madame Pamita 47:09That's, that's brilliant. That is so brilliant. And you know that whole part where they're like looking? You're like, watch I'm thinking of great British baking show where they're like watching them and like going oh, that's an unusual choice. They're coming around and like, critiquing them like about what they're doingKanani 47:23I know! They're walking behind them, whispering that's a terrible idea.Hilary 47:27I know! Where you can see the faces too because someone walks up and goes Mmm...Oh, it's like, know that you've made a terrible choice. It's like, well, that is interesting, isn't it? You know?Courtney Hoover 47:40It is it is a green candle. It is a jar of salt. It is a vial of olive oil. And it is a rubber chickenHilary 47:53rubber chickenCourtney Hoover 47:55some strange thing in there with like, I can figure out what what am I gonna do with this? This doesn't go into a prosperity spell. Hilary 48:02Oh my god. That's so funny.Kanani 48:03And I'll just walk by them and just be like, slip me a $20, you'll need itHilary 48:09Oh my god. We need to make this happen. And maybe we should cut this out of the episode so no one steals our idea.Courtney Hoover 48:20Write down THAT WITCH LIFE THAT WITCH LIFE THAT WITCH LIFE(laughing maniacally)Hilary 48:26So speaking of(laughing) I can't even I can't even keep it together. Speaking of crafting your own things, what is beneficial about making your own candles, is there a benefit to that?Madame Pamita 48:38Well, I talk about that in the book I give a direction for making a dipped candle and also a rolled candle. So there's a couple ways and because I work with beeswax I talk about beeswax and and now obviously, someone who's a beginner is not gonna want to use beeswax so you know you can venture out and find your own kind of wax that you're going to work with. But because I... in Ukrainian magic, beeswax is super powerful. And if you think about the fact that bees have to make a million trips to flowers, for one ounce of beeswax you know that you're working with an extremely potent and powerful tool when you're working with beeswax. So it's a it's a really magical magical substrate for your spell work. And that's why I advocate it. That's why I talk about it. I work with that. So but I talk about in the book, um, making your own candle dipped candle or making your own rolled candle. And the reason those can be very, very powerful if you make your own is let's say for example with a dipped candle. Each time you dip that wick in the wax, you're building up another layer of wax you know this is like that kind of thing that you would do like the old old town, Renaissance Fair, Crafts Fair, whatever you know. Each time you're dipping that wick in, you're building another layer you can be saying your spell words as you're doing that, you can be saying an affirmation as you're doing that and building up those layers of energy right directly into the candle. So beyond any other aspect of it, you can make it what you know, as big as you want or as thick as you want or the right you know, whatever size, you know, material concerns from the spiritual level, making your own candle is just another way you can add your energy to it. It's not the only way. But it's a super magical way. It's a beautiful way.Hilary 50:31I love that. I mean, I think there's something to be said about like getting, like getting your hands in there and doing it because again, it's like, and that's certainly not to say I mean, I have never made a candle before. And I definitely have done some really amazing candle magic. I know that it's not necessary, but it's such a good thing to think about just in I know when if I am, for instance, like mixing my own incense blend, I feel it differently, slightly because I can I can put my own intentions into it. Versus like taking something that someone has created, and then, you can still infuse your own intentions into that. But that's just like, I think you're right there. There's that extra layer, you know, of getting getting to the core of the object as well.Madame Pamita 51:14Yeah, it's a little...Oh, I was gonna say it's a little bit like growing your own herbs, you can buy dried herbs, and there's nothing wrong with buying dried herbs. But when you grow your own plant, and then you dry it, it's like raising a child, you can enjoy a person without raising them or a pet without raising them. But when you when you raise it, it has some.. you have a connection. Yeah, soHilary 51:35I totally feel that I feel like my plants are like my friends. I'm like you're my buddies! leaving Courtney Hoover 51:41In the air of COVID, Hilary they just might be.Hilary 51:44they literally are I'm like Kanani 51:45With friends like Courtney and I you can't help her but to you know, wish for better plant friendsHilary 51:50I know, I'm like, these two are mean, so I'm going to. So I'm gonna go andCourtney Hoover 51:57Have your plant friends ever brought you a coffee just because they happen to be on your side of town getting acupuncture? I don't think so.Hilary 52:04No, but they've literally but they've literally sacrificed themselves for me to make tea out of! Have YOU done that?Courtney Hoover 52:11I have not, and I don't plan on it and I will bring you when I'm on your side of town.Hilary 52:18That's what I thought.(laughing) Oh, my goodness. So, you know...there's I know there are um having read your book and done some candle magic myself, I know there are lots of different ways to to do candle magic and lots of different types of candle magic. But what what do you think makes candle magic such a good tool for witches to incorporate into their practice? Is there something that's, you know, that's that you think is rudimentary in that?Madame Pamita 52:50Well, I one of the reasons I love candle magic is because it expands and evolves as your practice expands and evolves. So someone can start with just a basic, plain old candle, and light that candle with an intention for a spell and get success from that. You know, knowing nothing, knowing nothing about color magic, knowing nothing about you know, timings or anything like that, you can start very, very simply and have success. But, you can also really get very involved and very complex with it as well. So it kind of I love it because it's low, low stress entry level magic that can go into amazing, beautiful, very complex. And bringing in Numerology bringing in Astrology, bringing in, you know, layouts and patterns. I mean, there's all kinds of things, burning candles on different days. I mean, there's so many things that you can delve into. You can make so complex, so you don't have and you can find your way from that very beginning level to the very complex level or stop anywhere you want along that, soHilary 54:07yeah, I like the other thing that I really love about candle magic is it's super accessible. I mean, everyone can find a candle. I mean, they're very easy to come by. It's you know, sometimes I think sometimes again, you can get very complex with it, you can add many, many layers, you can add many, many elements to it, but I like that you can just be like, it's very easy and accessible for people to get. I mean, you can get a candle at the grocery store, you know, you can get...you know, you can order it online very easily. And so I mean, I have gotten candles at the dollar store before, like you know, so it's like so it is it's an accessible tool, umm but I also love that it has the ability to be very complex too, so for those that want to get into adding different elements whether that be herbs or oils or or using it for divination, it's there's so many different things you can do, which I love because I feel like especially for people that are, you know, that are kind of getting into their own practice or exploring what they like, you know, it's not like, well, there's this one way you can utilize this tool and then it's done. It's like there are so many things you can do and it gives you a chance to figure out what of those, if not many of those that you want to incorporate specifically in your own practice.Madame Pamita 55:23Mm hmm. Although, another aspect of it too, is that it kind of expands to whatever you want it to be. Meaning you can do solitary magic, easily do solitary magic with candle magic, but you could also do ritual with candles, you know, you can also bring in a coven, you could also work you know, there's a lot you can do with it. So kind of is so adaptable, and so approachable. I mean, everyone has lit a candle before. This is not something that is alien, or strange or weird. And if you've lit a candle before, then you are totally prepared to do candle magic. That's all you have to know to start candle magic. You don't have to it's not like something where there's a high bar to entry like learning the tarot, you have to have, you know, that is work to like, get to the place where you can do a reading, you can do you can today do a candle spell. If you've never done one before you can do one today. It's that easy. So,Hilary 56:19yeah, I love that it makes it approachable for people. You know, it's like, what is one tip, or a tip that you'd like to share for people just starting out doing their first candle spell?Madame Pamita 56:31Well, I think everyone has already done candle magic before, I would just sort of add that if you've had a birthday party, I guess if you're not a Jehovah's Witness you you've done candle magic before because you've had a birthday party, right? And you made a wish on a candle. So no matter even if you know, you know, we've universally already, you've already been there and you've already done it. But now you're going to do it in a more focused way. And I think that one of the most beautiful things a very, like a very, very easy thing to do is to hold a candle, like if I were going to say, Oh my gosh, all you've got is a candle and I have to do a spell you have to do a spell. And don't worry about the color of the candle. Don't even worry about the kind of candle if it's a birthday candle, fine. If it's a little chime candle or Hanukkah candle fine. You don't have to have some big elaborate setup to do candle magic. I've done candle spells with birthday candles in a pinch before. So and they've worked. So. So this isn't something that you have to fuss about. Just grab a candle, a candle that has not been burned. That's the one I guess the one thing I would say something that has not been used yet. Hold that candle in your hands, close your eyes and focus on your intention, it's very helpful to say that intention out loud, if you're able to say that intention out loud, you're not you know, you're not around other people. But focus your intention while holding that candle holding it in your palms and putting your energy into it. You might want to do that for a minute or two. And then set the candle and a candle holder or, you know, fix it to a dish or tray. And then light that candle and say your spell your words of what it is that this candle is burning for with conviction. Even if you have to fake it till you make it say it as if it's already here, say if it's that with confidence; that you know that that thing is coming to you, and then, light that candle. And then you know, leave it burning while you're awake and at home. When you go to sleep or leave the house, you snuff it out. You don't blow it out and then relight it again, when you come back or you wake up again. And set that intention then this is I think the other part for newbies that's important. Some people have the misconception they've watched too many TV shows about witches or (laughing) I don't know what they've seen. Hilary 58:45There are so many so many, so many inaccuracies.Madame Pamita 58:52I know and so they have the they have the feeling that it's gonna be like Harry Potter, where you say the words in Latin and immediately something happens and we as much as we love that when it does happen because it does happen sometimes; you do something and immediately something happens that's very, you know, that means that there wasn't a lot of umm work to be done to get to that thing. I think you know, you're already on your way and you're just speeding it up. But I always remind people to look for three signposts as after their candle spells complete so your candle of magic is done when the candle is completed burning. So you want to complete the burn of that candle in most cases, best majority of cases. And then you're going to look for signposts along the way to see that your candle spell was effective. The first thing being messages, the three M's I like to call messages, movement and manifestation. So the first one is a message from the universe, that's going to be something synchronicity of some kind or some odd message from the universe where you're paying attention to signs that are out there. Now, they aren't necessarily going to come from the source of what you're doing, but they're going to be signs from the universe supporting that. So let's say You wanted to get a new job. And you did a candle spell for that. The message would might be seeing a billboard that says, "You got this" or somebody's saying to you, "you're the right person for the job", not related to the getting of the job, but there's some kind of link; a synchronicity, right? Second thing; and that, you should expect to see within a few days of you completing your spell work. Second thing you want to look for is movement. Movement is something moving in the right direction, oh, you're getting called in for interviews, oh, you're getting, you're getting feedback on your resume or something positive, but it's not the job yet, but it's moving in the right direction and that, you should expect to see within a few weeks now, it might be one day, till you get that that's possible. But it might be up to, you know, three or four weeks before you start to see that movement, depending on how stuck the situation is. Then lastly, your manifestation your manifestation is the result of your spell, which is that you're gonna see, you know, get the job, you're gonna get that new job, and that you should expect to see anytime between one day and a few months. So sometimes people get frustrated, or they work against their spell by going oh, my God, it didn't happen and I'm not trusting it now. You know? because it didn't happen in a day.Hilary 1:01:24Or exactly...that didn't happen exactly how that, you know, it's like, sometimes, what I've realized is that sometimes, you know, you have an idea in your head of how you think it's gonna turn out right? And, it doesn't always go exactly like your mind thought it would. That doesn't mean it was it didn't work. So sometimes they'll be like, well, I expected this and then suddenly something, you know, a different door opens and you're like, oh, wait a minute, this was even better than what I was thinking, you know. So I think that's such a good. I think that I love that. I love that motto. The three M's, you know, I think that it's really good to focus on again, you know, I think I think you're right. I think a lot of people that are just getting into witchcraft, or maybe the perception they have is that you're like, I snap my fingers and like wave a little wand and then poof, something happens and you're like what?!Courtney Hoover 1:02:15the three M's, I believe that comes out of the Hoodoo traditions? Am I am I correct there?Madame Pamita 1:02:21That's, that's in the hoodoo tradition. That is a hoodoo concept. And it came to me through my own teachers of hoodoo, but it's really a concept that works and like, you know, law of attraction. It works in you know, it works in any spell it I loved it because it was defined. That's why I loved it. Because I knew when I was doing magic in my younger days, I'm like, just because I don't see the immediately, I didn't have all those shows, Sabrina, the Teenage Witch and all that stuff. We had Bewitched, but you know, we all knew that was TV. Right? You know? Yeah, so we didn't have this concept that that we would have like nowadays, where people are like, thinking they're pointing their wand and saying the Latin word, and they're gonna see some instant result. Umm and I think that comes also with experience, you start to see like, Oh, you want to just acknowledge, it's a way of acknowledging that things are shifting and changing, you're moving and bending. I mean, what is witchcraft, you are bending the fabric of reality to your will, right? That's what a spell is. That's what witchcraft is. So if you're bending the fabric of reality, sometimes it's already moving in that direction, and you can move it along faster. And then you're like, great, I did it instantaneously, it happened right away. But other times you may be working, but need something that it takes some effort. And so I think that's something that new new witches don't quite, maybe get is that you, you sometimes see instant results and sometimes you have to work at it a little bit harder. But you can put the force of your will, and the support of your tools umm change your reality.Hilary 1:03:59That's a really, that's a really good tip. It's really, really good. So we actually have a listener question. Umm and we would love to have you give some insight we think you'd probably be great at giving some insight to this particular question. So our listener wrote in and said, "My sister was just diagnosed with MDS syndrome; basically a failure of the bone marrow. At the end of the month, I am going to be tested to see if I am a good match, so I can donate bone marrow to help her. I want to do a spell to get better odds of us matching... what spell ingredients and/or actions would you recommend? Thanks in advance."Madame Pamita 1:04:36Well, if I were gonna recommend the candle spell; candle spell is actually great for something like this, you know, all kinds of I mean, I'm not just a candle magician. I wrote a book about candle magic, but I do all kinds of magic, you know, and I teach all kinds of magic. So candle magic is just one type of spell work that you can do. But candles work very, very well when we have to work. Doing sympathetic magic, sympathetic magic, being You're working on something at a distance, right? You're working on something, a representation of something example of sympathetic magic is like a voodoo doll like in movies, right? They're working on the doll, but the person feels that pinprick them, right? You know, that kind of idea. That's a very simplistic idea of poppets, by the way, but everybody understands that. So when we're working sympathy and doing sympathetic magic, we can work on the sister and work on the self at the same time, through the representation of the candle. So I think candle work is excellent for this kind of working, when you want there to be a success energy, and a healing energy. Because um because I love working the idea that you're, I'm so sorry to hear about this situation, which is such a scary situation when we have our loved one and they're sick. And there's so much stress and stress and anxiety around that. So I'm feeling such compassion for the situation. But I do think that it's a situation that magic can be very, very helpful. When we do healing spells, it's interesting. And part of this is a healing spell. And part of it is a success spell, right? If I break it down in that way, when we do healing spells, healing spells are very fascinating to me, did a whole article about healing spells, people have the misconception that you light a candle, let's say and you're gonna instantly be healed. That spontaneous kind of healing can happen. It isn't to say that it wouldn't happen, it can happen. I've seen it happen, I've had it happen. But the vast majority of healing spells have a different flavor to them. Usually what happens when we do a healing spell because we're dealing with the material world, the body, we're looking at some material world solution. So for example, like when you when you light a candle for a healing healing of your body, oftentimes what happens is the right people will come into your sphere, the right healers, the right doctors, the right acupuncturist, the right information. And we live now in this wonderful age where we have access to all kinds of information and you might be searching online and stumble "stumble" I'm putting little air quotes around that "stumble" on the exact piece of information you need to regain your health again. So I love that healing spells often work in that way. And don't discount that as Oh, that's just a coincidence that that's part of your healing work. You're You're healing a body. So you have to work in the material world and so having these healers around you, and information and medications, or herbs, or whatever it is, that information is going to be the transformative thing that's going to get your body back to its optimum health. So if I were to do this spell, I would suggest that they the sisters, if they could do it together, that would be great. If they're doing it at a distance, then the sister that's donating the bone marrow can do the spell working with two candles representing the two of them. Now, I love figural candles because they're very representational and they can be great for that sympathetic magic, so you could get either two figural candles that are like the whole body, if you want to work in that way. That's beautiful way of working so you can get a candle that's representative of your gender, and that and your siblings gender and then put that put those candles together. I would recommend a blue candle for the sister who is ill, and a yellow candle for success, so the blue candles for healing. Blue or lavender is a great color for healing. White is also a great color for healing, and a yellow candle for the sister who's donating the marrow; that's a success color, yellow. And so then you could put those two candles together with some healing herbs or healing oils, you could get an oil that's for healing you know there's plenty of places that sell you know, oils that are formulated with essential oils for healing. You can put althea is a beautiful healing herb, you could use Angelica, that's another beautiful healing herb and put those on both of those candles, you can apply olive oil or another oil of your choosing or an oil that's formulated for healing. And then light those light those candles, over the seven days of prior to the testing, the last day being the night before if you'd have to go in early in the morning, the night before you're going to be testing to see if you're a match. And that is a beautiful simple way that you could do that. Now if you wanted I can say there's another alternative that you could do if you feel more inclined to focus on the bones. You could do a skull candle for each of you again in blue or lavender for the sister that needs the healing and yellow in the for the sister that's being the match. So skull candles can be used for work around the bones because it's a bone so that's another way of working so either the body figural body candle or the bone skull candle Yeah,Courtney Hoover 1:10:19I'm just also speaking of the the the three the three M's the message and the movement. I just did a spell with Althea for the first time and I was wondering, is this the right herb to use now although it wasn't an wasn't a healing spell for something else. The fact that you mentioned it the day after I used it is my message. So thank you. So listeners, this is how this is how it happens. So I love the very practical nature of using I've never thought about that using the skull candle I love school candles, I've really only used them in curse work before, so I love the idea of using them to for for bone healing. Um just one thing I've been thinking a lot about this question since we got it on email. And I want to encourage our listener to umm when you're doing your intention, allow, allow the spell to find healing in the most direct way which may not be through you being a match you you seem to be focusing on we think we know what the best solution is. And we start working our magic on the perceived solution, as opposed to the ultimate objective, which is your sister's health. So it's possible that there's somebody else who's a better match than you, I mean, unlikely because siblings are really great. Or there's a possibility that there's another treatment out there, that will work very effectively, that won't involve you. I mean, I don't know, I don't know, this, this, this condition, and I'm not a medical person. So certainly the fact that you are remaining open to being a match as an option is is wonderful. So keep that, but I would encourage you to, to first of all definitely take Madame Pamita's suggestions, but keep your objective as healing for your sister. And that, you know, you certainly are available to be that that match if you are the best solute is going through you as the best solution for her to heal. But be open to the spell manifesting in a different way that helps your sister heal and that doesn't involve you having to give of your body either. So just putting that out there.Hilary 1:12:20So I always I always tell people that like, you know, if you don't see the exact results and or the immediate result that you were thinking you might, that doesn't mean that it was a failure. And to be open and really using your intuition to be open to seeing signs that aren't big. Sometimes I think we get in this space where we're so we are so focused on one thing, and that's when we're looking for signs. That's all we see. But what we actually do then is miss signs that are there because they're not limited to what we anticipated them to look like. So I always tell people, especially when they're doing work that's really important like this is to once you've done the spell work that you choose to move forward with; and again, I love Madame Pamita's suggestions, I think they're really really good; umm, is to also be open and on the lookout for all types of messages. So Madam Pamita, how can people find you?Madame Pamita 1:13:21Well, the best way to find me is to go to the website which is and it's spelled the fancy British way P-A-R-L-O-U-R of because I am fancy. ApparentlyHilary 1:13:37you are fancy and you fit right in with us who are also fancy. We're just a bunch of fancy witchesKanani 1:13:45fancyMadame Pamita 1:13:45I like it a little extraHilary 1:13:48I also I'm like very extra(laughing)so I very much appreciate that.Madame Pamita 1:13:56I also have all my my big socials that I do. I have a YouTube channel which you can find just by looking at Madame Pamita on YouTube, all my videos will come up I have a bunch of videos teaching they're teaching videos, teaching about candle magic, of course, lots of candle magic, but other kinds of magic as well. All all folk magic, all low magic stuff that's accessible, you know, that's really my jam. Then I also have an Instagram that I'm pretty active on which is Madame Pamita, so you can find me over there and every Sunday, except for the first Sunday of the month, first Sunday of the month, I hold a workshop, a paid workshop. But every other Sunday of the month I have a free LIVE Q&A, which is called very imaginatively The LIVE Magic Q&A Tea Party. We added Tea Party on there, umm but I have guests on and I have an amazing hour it's like an hour of just questions and me answering your questions LIVE and then a guest answering your question LIVE, so it's very fun.Hilary 1:15:02Yeah, that's so cool. I love that.Madame Pamita 1:15:04And it's on Zoom, so to get the link to that, you go over to if you go to , it'll take you over to the page on my website where you sign up. And then you'll get the link to join; the links the same every week, but you'll get that initial link and then you can join us anytime. It's at 5pm Pacific and 8pm Eastern time. So yeah,Hilary 1:15:26well, thank you all so much for listening. If you want to support the show, the best way is to subscribe and spread the word. Please also consider leaving us a rating and review us on Apple podcasts. You can also buy us a coffee or check out merch at our Etsy store for bonus content, and this week, you'll get to hear a very exciting conversation about herbs with our lovely guest, Madame Pamita on Patreon so you can become a supporter there; we are on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. For shownotes, audio transcripts, or to ask a question to answer on a future episode, go To Until then, keep moting that shit and we'll talk to you next week.Courtney Hoover 1:16:08Hey USA witches, VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE! Yeah.Hilary 1:16:14Hey, and incase you weren't sure what you should do, you should fucking vote.Courtney Hoover 1:16:21VOTE Kanani 1:16:21VOTE Courtney Hoover 1:16:24VooootttteeeeHilary 1:16:24Also vote(Exit Music) 1:16:29Join us on the first and third Mondays of the month for magickal tools, tips and stories about living as a Witch in today's world. Find us at for archived episodes or to ask your burning questions for us to answer on a future podcast. So mote it be!Kanani 1:16:29#VOTEAFHilary 1:16:29#PleaseVOTE Courtney Hoover 1:16:45Well I said to Hillary like, what the fuck happens if she actually has rabies and dies? Because that's how morbid I am I'm like, because I'll be at her funeral and I'd be like, Alright, Dearly Beloved, we're here to celebrate Kanani who was a wonderful wife and mother and a true friend who died of rabies because of course she fucking did.Kanani 1:17:04Because I win. That's what that means.Courtney Hoover 1:17:09rabies from kidnapping a cat,Kanani 1:17:11exactly.Courtney Hoover 1:17:12plus toenail Kanani 1:17:13exactlyHilary 1:17:14You're like, Oh my godKanani 1:17:16without a proper pedi. Exactly. ................
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