University of Washington
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From: TEESEEBEE@
To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ? Henry Mosler Flag painting
*****
Hello all.
Need the title of a Henry Mosler painting depicting (presumably)
Betsy Ross and other seamstresses creating the American flag -- one woman
holds the flag up while three seated women stitch in various places. I have
searched numerous internet art archives to no avail. There are other
Revolutionary War-themed paintings by Henry Mosler, including one of
Washington crossing the Delaware.
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 11:36:25 -0500
From: David B G Kresh
To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ? Henry Mosler Flag painting
According to Henry Mosler Rediscovered (Skirball Museum, Los Angeles, 1995), p. 139, this is called "The Birth of the Flag," is dated 1912, and is in the Georgetown University Art Collection, right here in D.C.
David Kresh
Humanities & Social Sciences Division
Library of Congress
dakr@
>>> 11/01 4:31 PM >>>
Hello all.
BIOG
see biog. – “birth of the American flag”
Need the title of a Henry Mosler painting depicting (presumably)
Betsy Ross and other seamstresses creating the American flag -- one woman
holds the flag up while three seated women stitch in various places. I have
searched numerous internet art archives to no avail. There are other
Revolutionary War-themed paintings by Henry Mosler, including one of
Washington crossing the Delaware.
Thanks for any information.
Thanks for any information.
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 13:47:00 -0500 (EST)
From: TEESEEBEE@
To: dakr@, STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Thank you: Henry Mosler Flag painting
In a message dated 11/02/01 8:37:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, dakr@
writes:
>
Thank you so much, David Kresh. I spent several hours
internet-searching every which way. Just proves that relying on the internet
for information is a bad habit.
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Can anybody sugges where I might locate a Net copy of George Orwell's
article about his ideal pub 'The Moon Under Water'? I've tried the London
Evening Standard site, but its archive doesn't go back to 1946.
Regards
Nich in London
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?Moon Under Water
Can anybody sugges where I might locate a Net copy of George Orwell's article about his ideal pub 'The Moon Under Water'? I've tried the London Evening Standard site, but its archive doesn't go back to 1946.
Regards
Nich in London
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 11:41:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Denise_Montgomery
To: "Rutland, Nick (CRTLDN)"
Cc: stumpers
Subj: Re: !Moon Under Water
Dear Nick,
According to the bibliography on a web site titled "The Pub in Literature:
England's Altered State" at
you can locate this essay in:
Orwell, George. "The Moon Under Water" in The Collected Essays,
Journalism, and Letters of George Orwell, Hammondsworth: Penguin, 1971
[c1946], vol. 3, pp. 63-65.
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? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ?
? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ?
? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ?
? information upon it." ?
? (229) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ?
? (229) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, 1775 ?
? dmontgom@valdosta.edu ?
? ?
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 11:02:35 -0600
From: Dennis Lien
To: "Rutland, Nick (CRTLDN)"
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?Moon Under Water
At 03:05 PM 11/2/01 +0000, you wrote:
>>>>
Can anybody sugges where I might locate a Net copy of George Orwell's
article about his ideal pub 'The Moon Under Water'? I've tried the London
Evening Standard site, but its archive doesn't go back to 1946.
Regards
Nich in London
on Davila, was published in 1790 (though date varies in several accounts)
>shortly after his return to the US after his three-year sojourn in London. It
>is considered the fourth volume to his "massive and motley three-volume
>collection of quotations, unacknowledged citations and personal observations
>entitled A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of
>America (1787)."
>
>My patron's question is: What or Who is Davila? As always any help will be
Eva Greenberg
Eva M. Greenberg
Oberlin Public Library
Oberlin, OH 44074
Tel: 440-775-4790
Fax: 440-774-2880
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 12:12:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Eva Greenberg
To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: *THANKS for Davila
My thanks to Ted Nesbitt for his answer to my question on Davila. My patron
was really pleased with your response.
I still do have one question though. I had found Arrigo Caterino Davila
(presumably the same person you mentioned) too - but could find no proof that
it was actually he to whom Adams referred. Did you find this proof somewhere
and if so, could you tell me where? Again many thanks for your swift reply.
It really helped a lot! Eva
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:02:58 -0500
From: tedjnesbitt@ (Ted Nesbitt)
To: evagreenberg@ (Eva Greenberg), STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: RE: *THANKS for Davila
Eva:
I'll do my best to reconstruct my approach to your question. I'm not sure that I can remember all the steps or give a complete account.
I started with a google search, using Adams and "Discourses on Davila" as my terms, I think. In one of the many hits, I found a reference to France and its civil wars. I checked the "Encyclopedia Americana" under "Adams,"
and found mention of the "Discourses" and Adams' interest in civil unrest in France. I continued to use print material -- forgive me for occasionally allowing my fingers to touch paper instead of a plastic keyboard -- and read the "Davila, Enrico Caterino" entry in "Webster's Biographical Dictionary." It was that information that sealed the deal for me, since Davila had fought in civil wars and wrote about the French wars,
"Storia delle Guerre Civili di Francia" (1630).
I "might" have found another entry in a reference book, but I'm not sure.
At any rate, I was convinced by the "preponderance of the evidence" that I had the right Davila. I was waiting for an Adams' scholar on this list [one who has actually read the "Discourses"] to give a more definite answer.
Ted
Eva Greenberg wrote:
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:33:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Lois Fundis
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: New wind chill index/charts
Some of you in balmier climes may not be interested, but those of us here in
the north might want this information in the next few months:
The National Weather Service and Meteorological Services of Canada have
revised the formula for figuring wind chills, and new charts are available.
People may want to print these out for use instead of the old ones we've
been relying on.
The NWS' chart is at
along with an explanation of why the new system is better, which includes
another chart showing how different the chill factors are between the new
chart and the old one.
There's a much more colorful one from NWS' Missoula, MT, office at
And USA Today had a very nice one in yesterday's (Nov.1) paper, on the back
page of section A with the weather map. They also have more info about it
online, at
From West Virginia, where it's windy but warm today.
* * * *
Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian
Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062
fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526)
"Carpe librum!"
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:02:00 -0600
From: Elizabeth Danley
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Cc: edanley@asl.lib.ar.us
Subj: ?cpi and cost of living -- by state
Hello Stumpers
A patron has requested the latest possible info on Consumers Price Index
and Cost of Living --broken down by state. We are able to find by region
and metropolitan area but not by state. Any suggestions?
TIA
Elizabeth Danley, Reference
Arkansas State Library
One Capitol Mall
Little Rock, AR 72201
(501) 682-2053
edanley@asl.lib.ar.us
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Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 23:43:56 -0600
From: "Michael J. Lowrey"
To: Elizabeth Danley
Cc: Stumpers list
Subj: Re: ?cpi and cost of living -- by state
>Hello Stumpers
> A patron has requested the latest possible info on Consumers Price
>Index
>and Cost of Living --broken down by state. We are able to find by region
>and metropolitan area but not by state. Any suggestions?
>TIA
>Elizabeth Danley, Reference
>Arkansas State Library
I don't believe these are calculated by state, because states are such
heterogenous units that it makes little sense to aggregate the date. I
invite you, as an Arkansawyer, to compare the cost of living in Marked Tree
or Huntsville to that in Little Rock, for example.
--
Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
Sunrise Book & Software Reviews
This war, it will be just like the War on Drugs. It will be potent and
effective and our objectives will be clear. The nation had a nasty drug
problem and we declared a war on drugs and spent billions over many years
and now you can't buy drugs anymore. It will be just like that.
-- Mark Morford
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:48:40 -0800
From: TRL Central Reference
To: stumpers list
Cc: asklib@timberland.lib.wa.us
Subj: ?dead men poem
Patron remembers fragment of a poem and does not remember where she
heard it! Sound familiar?! "dead men,yet they all be, who know no joy,
but misery..." Any takers?!
Thanks,
Mary Ann Shaffer
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Central Reference--TRL .
Timberland Regional Library .
7023 New Market St .
Tumwater WA 98501 .
Voice -- 360-943-6193 .
fax ---- 360-943-6347 .
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Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:33:36 -0500
From: Dan Clinton
To: S Reynolds , stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Actor in the Dell Computer Commercial -- verification
Ben Curtis, now 20, graduated from The McCallie School, Chattanooga, Tenn.,
Class of '99
See:
Is that enough info?
----- Original Message -----
From: S Reynolds
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 11:49 AM
Subject: Actor in the Dell Computer Commercial
> Some time ago, someone had success in tracking down the child actor in the
> car commercial, the "zumzum" boy. Now I have a patron looking for the name
> of the actor in the Dell Computer commercial where he tries to persuade
his
> friend's mother to buy a Dell computer. Is there a website available to
find
> this information?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sandy Reynolds
>
>
> I don't know whether the world is run by smart people who are putting us
on,
> or by imbeciles who really mean it.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 16:19:09 -0600
From: Dennis Lien
To: testj@
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ! Lil Abner character
At 03:25 PM 11/3/01 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>
A patron is looking for the name of a Lil Abner character who rode a 3
wheeled bike/motorcycle that had an outhouse type building on the back
(don't know whether it was in a wagon, or actually on the back of the
vehicle). The outhouse had a crooked stove pipe type chimney coming out
the roof. I have searched the archives, and this character isn't
mentioned. Have looked at the official Lil Abner website, and have
searched the Encyclopedia of Comics, The Smithsonian Collection of
Newspaper Comics, and various other reference books about comics and
newspapers. Can anyone help?
TIA
JCT
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Information Services homepage: apl
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We will continue to look for a picture and will re-check our previous
>searches.
>
>thanks to you and Sue Kamm for your help.
>
>Janis
More on Humphrey Pennyworth--
In a further check, I found a picture on the web of HP, but he's
boxing Joe rather than driving his Humphreymobile (or Pennymobile--
I forget which it was called):
(Found by searching for Joe Palooka images, using Google's image search.)
Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu
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Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:10:09 -0600
From: "Janis C. Test"
To:
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: RE: ! Lil Abner character
I can't get to that address right now, but will try again tomorrow (we close
in just a bit)
Thanks again for the help.
JCT
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Lien [mailto:Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu]
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 5:03 PM
To: testj@
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subject: RE: ! Lil Abner character
At 04:41 PM 11/3/01 -0600, Janis C. Test wrote:
>
>Thanks Denny! A quick check of the IMDB finds several early
movies with
>this character's name and your website describes him perfectly.
>We will continue to look for a picture and will re-check our previous
>searches.
>
>thanks to you and Sue Kamm for your help.
>
>Janis
More on Humphrey Pennyworth--
In a further check, I found a picture on the web of HP, but he's
boxing Joe rather than driving his Humphreymobile (or Pennymobile--
I forget which it was called):
(Found by searching for Joe Palooka images, using Google's
image search.)
Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu
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Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:11:16 -0600
From: Dennis Lien
To: Dennis Lien , testj@
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ! RE: ! Lil Abner character (Joe Palooka character, actually)
At 05:02 PM 11/3/01 -0600, Dennis Lien wrote:
>At 04:41 PM 11/3/01 -0600, Janis C. Test wrote:
>>
>>Thanks Denny! A quick check of the IMDB finds several early movies with
>>this character's name and your website describes him perfectly.
>>We will continue to look for a picture and will re-check our previous
>>searches.
>>
Google search on humphreymobile turned up a toy version:
Close enough for comic strip work?
Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu
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From: Laura Simpson
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: photography book - Rivers of Air
I'm looking for a book of landscape photographs called Rivers of Air..we
don't know date, publisher, or ISBN. I've checked OCLC, our vendor
database, and various out-of-print places and can't find it. Has anybody
heard of this book, by chance?
Thanks!
Laura
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Our patron remembers the plot of a novel by Stuart Cloete, but doesn't know the title. We have searched the WorldCat listing of novels by this author as well as an Internet subject search but patron does not recognized the titles listed. Neither were there any plot summaries in the bibliographic records.
Plot Summary from patron: "The heroine is captured and forced into prostitution. To break her spirit and ensure compliance, and to make her afraid to escape, she is beaten and maybe sexually assualted by her captor. At some point the hero of the story comes to the brothel where he meets the heroine. In spite of their relationship, he is unexpectedly and uncommonly kind and gentle with her. Over a period of time he returns again and again, always asking for her. Finally at some point he helps her to escape, and he provides a safe and comfortable place for her to live. Because he is often gone - I think to South Africa for his job - he leaves his well trained guard dog to protect her.
However, her previous "owners" are not content that she had escaped and search for her. While her benefactor is gone, one man finds her hiding place. He is about to attack her with a knife, but the guard dog charges and kills the assailant. There are some parts of the plot about South Africa, but I forget them."
We would appreciate any title suggestions for this book' title that you might give.
Michael Moulds, Glenside Public Library District
Glendale Heights, IL 60139 mmoulds@
November 5, 2001
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Our patron remembers the plot of a novel by Stuart Cloete, but doesn't know
the title. We have searched the WorldCat listing of novels by this author as
well as an Internet subject search but patron does not recognized the titles
listed. Neither were there any plot summaries in the bibliographic
records.
Plot Summary from patron: "The heroine is captured and forced into
prostitution. To break her spirit and ensure compliance, and to make her afraid
to escape, she is beaten and maybe sexually assualted by her captor. At some
point the hero of the story comes to the brothel where he meets the heroine. In
spite of their relationship, he is unexpectedly and uncommonly kind and gentle
with her. Over a period of time he returns again and again, always asking for
her. Finally at some point he helps her to escape, and he provides a safe
and comfortable place for her to live. Because he is often gone - I think to
South Africa for his job - he leaves his well trained guard dog to protect
her.
However, her previous "owners" are not content that she had escaped and
search for her. While her benefactor is gone, one man finds her hiding place. He
is about to attack her with a knife, but the guard dog charges and kills the
assailant. There are some parts of the plot about South Africa, but I
forget them."
We would appreciate any title suggestions for this book' title that you
might give.
Michael Moulds, Glenside Public Library District
Glendale Heights, IL 60139 mmoulds@
November 5, 2001
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Our patron remembers the plot of a novel by Stuart Cloete.....
Plot Summary from patron: "The heroine is captured and forced into prostitution. To break her spirit and ensure compliance, and to make her afraid to escape, she is beaten....
Perhaps _The Abductors_ (Trident, 1966). "A disquieting novel of
white slavery in Victorian England."
Daphne Drewello
Alfred Dickey Library
Jamestown, ND
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Michael Moulds wrote
Our patron remembers the plot of a novel by Stuart Cloete.....
Plot Summary from patron: "The heroine is captured and forced into
prostitution. To break her spirit and ensure compliance, and to make her
afraid to escape, she is beaten....
Perhaps _The Abductors_ (Trident, 1966). "A disquieting novel
of
white slavery in Victorian England."
Daphne Drewello
Alfred Dickey Library
Jamestown, ND
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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:14:29 -0500
From: tedjnesbitt@ (Ted Nesbitt)
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?""Waiting for the other shoe to drop/fall""
Patron is looking for the origin of the phrase "waiting for the other shoe to fall" I found it in only one of our phrase books, "Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins," by William and Mary Morris, 2d ed., New York: Harper & Row, 1987, p. 193: "Drop the other shoe -- This expression, meaning 'end the suspense,' has been around for many decades. There are various stories to account for its origin . . . ." They go on to tell a joke that appeared in a German magazine.
I found several references to apartment dwellers through a google search.
All the citations are to the punch lines of jokes.
Patron is unhappy.
Does anyone know of a source, other than a punch line, to which this expression can be traced?
Thanks.
Ted Nesbitt
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Elbin Library
West Liberty State College
West Liberty, WV - 26074
Phone: (304) 336-8365
Fax: (304) 336-8186
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:11:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Marilyn Wilkerson
To: Stumpers
Subj: Re: ?""Waiting for the other shoe to drop/fall""
For what it's worth, Word Detective also says the
origin of the phrase is apparently from the joke:
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 14:52:27 -0600
From: Dennis Lien
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ? Octavio Paz poem / ""One day shall come like a rose""
Second of two Mexican-related questions today: client is looking for a
poem by Octavio Paz which contains the sentiments/lines that
"Slow like stones are God's doings with us.
One day shall come like a rose, one day like a flower."
We don't have a Paz concordance. We do have a lot of Paz collections,
of course, though our copy of the 669-page COLLECTED POEMS of 1987
is checked out. I don't read Spanish (well, a little bit if I get a
running start and the wind behind me). Our Hispanic Bibliographer
didn't recognize this poem; I'm again hoping someone here will.
Gracias,
Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:38:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Sarah Nagel
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: citation verification
Hi Stumpers.
I have a patron enrolled in a distance education
program whose 10 obscure ILL requests are about to try
my last nerve... Can anyone verify the existence of a
book entitled: A Synopsis of Six System Theories. The
author's last name might be McWhinney. She thinks the
date is 1995. I have tried several searches in
WorldCat but can't seem to get a handle on this last
one. I tried to find an online syllabus for her class
to get a better citation, but unfortunately it's
restricted access. Extra special library love goes out
to anyone who can give me an ISBN.
Thanks,
Sarah
P.S. Anyone who wants to join my new professional
association, SLACS (Small Libraries Against
Correspondence Schools) can send me personal checks
and cash in any amount. Donations will be used to
bring rural library reference collection up to the
Bodleian standards our Continuing Ed. patrons seem to
expect these days...
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:55:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Donna Burton
To: Sarah Nagel
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: citation verification
Here's a site with reference to a seminar conducted by Will McWhinney:
that says:
The ideas we are presenting merge the Six System Theories Model, based on
Will McWhinney's "of Paradigms and System Theories" and "Paths of Change"
(SAGE, 1992) and the Adaptive Systems work of the Santa Fe Institute.
[What I have in quotes was in italics]
I don't know if this will help any other than to confirm the author's
name, since there is no reference to a book by that title. I'm thinking
article???
On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Sarah Nagel wrote:
> Hi Stumpers.
> I have a patron enrolled in a distance education
> program whose 10 obscure ILL requests are about to try
> my last nerve... Can anyone verify the existence of a
> book entitled: A Synopsis of Six System Theories. The
> author's last name might be McWhinney. She thinks the
> date is 1995. I have tried several searches in
> WorldCat but can't seem to get a handle on this last
> one. I tried to find an online syllabus for her class
> to get a better citation, but unfortunately it's
> restricted access. Extra special library love goes out
> to anyone who can give me an ISBN.
> Thanks,
> Sarah
>
note: Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:23:33 -0600
From: Dennis Lien
To: Donna Burton , Sarah Nagel
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: %%% Re: citation verification
> Here's a sort-of homepage for Will McWhinney, listing some of his
publications:
Fielding Graduate Institute, 2112 Santa Barbara Street,
Santa Barbara, CA 93105 | 800-340-1099 | 805-687-1099
HOD Faculty
Will McWhinney, Ph.D. (1979*) Venice, California
Ph.D., Carnegie Mellon University, 1964
Selected Publications: Creating Paths of Change, Sage, 1997;
"Praxis: Beyond theory and practice," Cybernetics and Human
Knowing, 1997; Paths of Change: Strategic Choices for
Organizations and Society, Sage Publications, 1993; "All creative
people are not alike," Creativity and Innovative Management,
1993.
Memberships: Association for Humanistic Psychology (President
1987-88); American Society for Cybernetics.
Special Interests: Systems praxis; the use of myth and symbol
in organizational change; resolution of complex issues and social
change; education and consciousness at midlife.
Related Professional Activities: President, Enthusion, Inc.
Will McWhinney, Will
Venice, California
Tel: 310-392-1343
Email: wmcwhinney@fielding.edu
*********
We have his 1992 PATHS OF CHANGE--but it's currently checked out.
Maybe it's a chapter or appendix in that or another book?
Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:53:58 -0500
From: Suzanne Colligan
To: STUMPERS-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Poem?
Greetings,
A patron called with what he believes to be a first line from a Henry W.
Longfellow poem..."Show me the way in which a nation buries its dead..." I
tried Grangers (print/online) also selected and complete HW Longfellow
works, Google, Best Loved Poems of the American People, Home Book of
Quotations, and Bartlett's. Any takers?
Thanks,
Suzanne Colligan
Reference Librarian
Buffalo & Erie County Public Library, Central
(716) 858-7117
colligans@
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:12:54 -0800
From: Valerie Patrick
To: "'STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu'"
Subj: ? Winston Churchill Quote
Hello!
This may be my first Stumpers appeal. I have a coworker desperately seeking
what he believes to be a quote by Winston Churchill. He is not entirely
certain of the wording, but it is to illustrate the way any event can be
twisted to demonstrate what one wants. The quote is along the following
lines:
"If I walked across the Thames tomorrow, the headlines would read "Churchill
can't swim"."
He has checked Bartlett's and I've checked some quotation webpages, even a
quick Ebsco serach, and web searches using google.
Does this quote sound familiar to any Churchill lovers out there?
Thank you,
Valerie
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Valerie Patrick
Librarian
Greater Vancouver Regional District
ph: 604/432-6335
fax: 604/432-6445
valerie.patrick@gvrd.bc.ca
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From: Jeanne Schramm
To: stumpers-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ? Winston Churchill Quote
Winston Churchill may have said something similar but according to the website "Quotez," it was President Lyndon B. Johnson who said, "If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, the headline that afternoon would read "PRESIDENT CAN'T SWIM."
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:20:59 -0500
From: "D. Simpson"
To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?? Gang Name
Hello Fellow Stumpers!
We have a discrepancy that doesn't seemed to be easily resolved. We have
someone claiming that Billy The Kid had a gang named "The Regulators" and
another person claiming that he was a loner and had no gang. We can't find
information to substantiate either claim.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
Sunrise_5038@
Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm halfway
through my fish burger and I realize, Oh my God....I could
be eating a slow learner.
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:26:10 -0500
From: "Lorie J. O'Donnell"
To: "D. Simpson" ,
Subj: Re: ?? Gang Name
See the following excerpt from
Billy & the Lincoln County War
Billy soon found employment with the young English rancher John Tunstall,
who together with his partners John Chisum and Alexander McSween, was
embroiled in bloody Lincoln County Range War. When Tunstall was murdered
February 18, 1878, Billy joined a force called the "Regulators," led by
Tunstall's foreman Dick Brewer, who vowed vengeance and loyalty to partner
McSween.
The Regulators embarked on a killing spree of those suspected of involvement
in the assassination. Billy then hatched and carried out an ambush plot for
the leader of Tunstall's murders, Lincoln County Sheriff William Brady. On
April 1, Billy and the Regulators murdered Sheriff Brady and his deputy
George Hindman as they strolled through the town of Lincoln.
The Lincoln County War came to a bloody end during the 5-day Battle of
Lincoln in mid-July. After being besieged in McSween's house with a dozen
other Regulators, opponents (reinforced by soldiers from Fort Stanton),
burned the house to the ground and shot McSween dead. Billy escaped unhurt,
but with a price on his head, he surrendered in exchange for amnesty.
But Billy soon formed another gang and took up cattle rustling throughout
the county again. In December 1880, after two of his partners were shot and
killed, Billy was captured at Stinking Springs by Sheriff Pat Garrett. After
standing trial for murder in Mesilla, New Mexico in April 1881, he and was
found guilty and sentenced to hang. On April 28, Billy escaped jail once
again, killing two deputies in the process.
Lorie J. O'Donnell
Jervis Public Library Children's Room
Rome, NY 13440
The best is yet to be.
The last of life, for which the first was made.
- - - -Robert Browning "'Rabbi Ben Ezra"
> From: "D. Simpson"
> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:20:59 -0500
> To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
> Subject: ?? Gang Name
>
> Hello Fellow Stumpers!
> We have a discrepancy that doesn't seemed to be easily resolved. We have
> someone claiming that Billy The Kid had a gang named "The Regulators" and
> another person claiming that he was a loner and had no gang. We can't find
> information to substantiate either claim.
>
> Your help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Sunrise_5038@
> Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm halfway
> through my fish burger and I realize, Oh my God....I could
> be eating a slow learner.
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
>
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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:59:29 -0500
From: David B G Kresh
To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?? Gang Name
You can find a lot on this question by doing a Google search of:
"billy the kid" regulators
The short answer appears to be that he was for a while a member of a group called the Regulators, but not the founder or original leader, although he may have played a leading part in some of the group's activities.
David Kresh
Humanities & Social Sciences Division
Library of Congress
dakr@
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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:17:19 -0600
From: Daphne Drewello
To: Jan Gorden , stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: music terminology question
Jan Gordon wrote
>
> We have a patron who has a music terminology question: in a song like
> Irving Berlin's "God Bless America", when there is a beginning or
> introductory verse ("When the storm clouds gather..."), what is the
> technical term for that verse
I really shouldn't try to answer musical questions, but in the case of
"God Bless America", the opening section is often called the "Intro." .
Daphne Drewello
Alfred Dickey Library
Jamestown, ND
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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:42:59 -0500
From: Erica Cathers
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: music terminology question
It looks like "verse" is the traditional term and "intro" is a more modern
term.
In our Harvard Concise Dictionary of Music and Musicians, under "verse,"
3) In one of the most typical forms of American popular song of the mid-20th
century, words and music preceding the chorus or refrain, which constitutes
the body of the song itself.... in practice there may be only one set of
words for the verse, and it is often not performed at all... "
In our Billboard Book of Songwriting, p. 21 (in chapter "The Well-Organized
Song"), "Older songs often included a fairly short, introductory section
that set up the theme or subject matter of the song. Although usually
referred to today as the 'intro,' it is more properly the song's 'verse.'"
Erica Cathers
Gloucester City Library
> Hi All -
>
> We have a patron who has a music terminology question: in a song like
> Irving Berlin's "God Bless America", when there is a beginning or
> introductory verse ("When the storm clouds gather..."), what is the
> technical term for that verse?
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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:44:58 -0500 (EST)
From: "John P. Dyson"
To: Jan Gorden
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: music terminology question
On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Jan Gorden wrote:
> We have a patron who has a music terminology question: in a song like
> Irving Berlin's "God Bless America", when there is a beginning or
> introductory verse ("When the storm clouds gather..."), what is the
> technical term for that verse?
>
> I have heard such verses just called the "verse", with the second and
> usually much more familiar part called the "chorus" or "refrain", but we
> cannot find anything in our resources that makes a definite statement about
> what the actual term is. Are we overlooking something completely
> obvious? Or are we being more clueless than usual? Can anyone help???
Hi Jan,
Didn't George Burns sing obscure "verses" of very popular songs on the
TONIGHT SHOW years ago? One of the challenges was to figure out what song
he was introducing. He'd sing the whole verse in a quick patter and then a
scant line of the chorus to let us know what the song was.
John Dyson
Sppanish and Portuguese
Indiana University
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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:56:36 -0800
From: Jan Gorden
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: thanks for music terminology help
Hi All -
Many many thanks for all the quick responses to my music terminology
question. I just talked to the patron and he was very pleased!
Thanks again,
Jan Gorden
Jackson County Library Services
jgorden@
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From: John Ronan
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: BOAT
Hello,
We are trying to confirm that Ted Kennedy owns a wooden yatcht [sic]. Then, we are trying to find its name.
Thanks.
John Ronan
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 20:27:12 -0600
From: Daphne Drewello
To: John Ronan , STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: BOAT
John Ronan wrote
> We are trying to confirm that Ted Kennedy owns a wooden yatcht. Then,
we are trying to find its name.
According to
. Rumors that the president was coming to Menemsha created a stir
shortly after noon when Sen. Edward Kennedy and his wife ,Victoria, and
Kennedy's son, Ted Jr., left a taxi and motored a dinghy to a 50-foot,
blue-hulled wooden schooner called Mya which has been in the Kennedy
family for years.
Daphne Drewello
Alfred Dickey Library
Jamestown, ND
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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:32:31 -0800
From: Ellen Cousins
To: John Ronan
Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: BOAT
Here is a little on the boat Kennedy sailed in 1997 named Mya, along
with a photo that shows wooden decking:
It is a 50-foot (one site says 52 feet) Concordia, a blue-hulled wooden
two-masted schooner which according to this site has been in the Kennedy
family for years:
.
HTH
Ellen C.
John Ronan wrote:
> We are trying to confirm that Ted Kennedy owns a wooden yatcht. Then, we are trying to find its name.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John Ronan
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:36:41 -0800
From: Ellen Cousins
To: John Ronan
Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: BOAT
Here is a profile and full photo of the Mya:
Ellen C.
John Ronan wrote:
> We are trying to confirm that Ted Kennedy owns a wooden yatcht. Then, we are trying to find its name.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John Ronan
>
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@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:05:09 -0500
From: MICROTEXT@mbln.lib.ma.us
To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
Cc: MICROTEXT@mbln.lib.ma.us
Subj: Rev. Enoch Pratt and the Charlestown Navy Yard
I checked the BPL's catalog for Enoch Pratt, but did not find a prayer book
listed. Our older holdings are not in the online catalog and I was lazy and did
not want to walk upstairs, so I checked CATNYP
(New York's catalog) and found an Enoch Pratt, author of A Comprehensive
History, ecclesiastical and civil, of Eastham, Wellfleet, and Orleans: County
of Barnstable, Mass., from 1644 to 1844. This looked promising.
A check of K.G. Saur's American Biographical Index (searchable online at
saur-wbi.de) found two Enoch Pratts. The first was a clergyman, born in
Middleborough, Mass., in 1781, d. in Brewster, Mass., 2 Feb. 1860. The source
was Appleton's cylopaedia of American Biography, 1888. Another entry was in
Francis Samuel Drake's Dictionary of American Biography, 1870. He was the
paster of the Congregational Church in West Barnstable, Mass.
Enoch Pratt, the benefactor of Baltimore's library, was born in North
Middleborough, Mass., Sept. 10, 1808. The source was Contemporary American
Biography, 1895-1902.
We have the UMI set, Genealogy and Local History. We have bought the tapes for
the cataloging, but have yet to download them. Knowing that the Sutro Library
in California also had the set, I checked MELVYL (California Digital Library)
and identified Francis Greenleaf Pratt's The Pratt Family, 1890, as part of the
UMI set (fiche no. G392).
On page 168 is the entry for Baltimore's Enoch Pratt. He is indentified as the
son of Isaac Pratt. Isaac was the son of William Pratt (p. 164). Isaac's
brother was the clergyman Enoch Pratt. "His first pastorate began Oct. 28,
1807 at the West Church in Barnstable, remaining there about thirty years; when
he removed to Brewster, and continued to preach, supplying vacant pulpits, and
as an agent for Bible Societies, distributing the scriptures through the
country. He was in the ministry fifty-two years."
So, about all that remains to be done, is to check the National Union Catalog
and see if you can identify the prayer book that your parents saw. Then check
with the libraries of the Museums they visited and see if the title you come up
with is among their holdings.
In any case, it appears that Rev. Enoch Pratt, the clergyman, was the uncle of
Enoch Pratt, the philanthropist.
Henry Scannell
Curator of Microtext and Newspapers
Boston Public Library
617-859-2018
From: Mary Somers
To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
Cc: MICROTEXT@mbln.lib.ma.us
Subj: Re: Rev. Enoch Pratt and the Charlestown Navy Yard
WOW!! Thank you so much!! This certainly seems to be the definitive answer, although I think I will try to find the exact title of the book, using your helpful tips!! Again, thank you SO MUCH!! I will give you credit, and hope that my father will be impressed that I even tried (we never stop looking for approval, do we?) Mary
MARY SOMERS
Reference Librarian
Harford Community College
Research Library
401 Thomas Run Road
Bel Air, MD 21015
msomers@.md.us
410-836-4232 (phone)
410-836-4198
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@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:32:37 -0800
From: Shari Haber
To: Joan Small , stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?Dictionary of English Verbs
Here's one that we have in our library:
Beyer, Thomas R. 501 English verbs : fully conjugated in all the
tenses in a new easy-to-learn format, alphabetically arranged / by
Thomas R. Beyer, Jr.
Also Called Five hundred one English verbs
Five hundred and one English verbs
Publisher Hauppauge, NY : Barron's Educational Series, c1998.
Shari Haber
shaber@
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Small"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:43 PM
Subject: ?Dictionary of English Verbs
> We have a student who wants to improve her vocabulary by using a
dictionary
> of English verbs. We have found several good websites, but she would
like a
> book. She is quite adamant that it deal only with verbs. Any ideas
on
> good titles to improve her "verbal" vocabulary?
>
> Joan Small
> Reference Department
> Mantor Library
> University of Maine at Farmington
> 116 South St.
> Farmington ME 04938
> (207)778-7226
> (207)778-7223(fax)
>
>
> **This message is intended for sole use by the recipient. Please do
not
> forward without permission of the original sender.**
>
>
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:53:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "John P. Dyson"
To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: dictionary of English verbs
>
Hi Joan,
She seems to require a synonym dictionary. If you can get her to surpress
her aversion to the other parts of speech, I would recommend J. I.
Rodale's THE SYNONYM FINDER. At $15 or less for the splendid paperback
edition (1,361 pp.), that comes to about .0002 cents per verb. She may
even develop a thing for the nouns and adjectives. Relationships take
attention and availability, I always say.
John Dyson
Spanish and Portuguese
Indiana University
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>
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From: Graeme Rymill
To: jennifer.mccarty@colorado.edu, stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: re: Bloomsbury group -- citation help
>Arnold Bennet's "The Fallow Fields of Fiction.
According to Arnold Bennett: an annotated bibliography 1887-1932 by Anita
Miller (New York, Garland, 1977) this was published in 3 parts:
"The Fallow Fields of Fiction. Academy. LX (June 15, 1901), 517-518. Signed
E.A.B."
"The Fallow Fields of Fiction. II. Academy. LX (June 29, 1901), 557-558."
"The Fallow Fields of Fiction. III. Academy. LXI (July 20, 1901), 57-58."
All three entries indicate they were reprinted in "Hynes (1968)". This
appears to be a reference to:
The author's craft : and other critical writings of Arnold Bennett. Edited
by Samuel Hynes (Lincoln : University of Nebraska Press, [1968])
>two essays by Sir Leslie Stephen: one is "What is Materialism" (1886) and
the other is something >with "Charlotte Bronte" in the title, first
published in 1892.
A search of COPAC () turned up:
Author(s): South Place Ethical Society (London, England)
Title Details: What is materialism? : a discourse delivered in South Place
Chapel ... March 21st, 1886 / by L. Stephen
Series: Publications ; 9
Publisher: London, 1886
Physical Desc.: 15 p ; 8vo
The Charlotte Bronte essay is probably the chapter entitled Charlotte Bronte
found in volume three of Hours in a library. My library has a 1909 edition
by the same publisher. Pages 1-28 in the 1909 edition contain the Bronte essay.
Again from COPAC:
Author(s): Stephen, Sir Leslie, 1832-1904
Title Details: Hours in a library / by Leslie Stephen
Vol.3
Edition: New edition with additions
Publisher: London : Smith, Elder & Co., 1892
Notes: In 3 vols
>I am also looking for an essay by Lytton Strachey which is called
"Conscientious Objector." >(1914)
Could this be Strachey's address to the Hampstead Tribunal in 1916?
Lytton Strachey by John Ferns (Boston, Twayne, 1988) states on page 14:
"On March 7 Strachey appeared before a draft board in Hampstead and read a
declaration of conscientious objection. He demanded his exemption from
military service. It is one of Strachey's more convincing pieces of writing."
Two long paragraphs from the declaration are quoted. It is unclear if this
is the whole declaration or only part. I have been unsuccessful in
determining if this speech has been reprinted.
Graeme Rymill
Humanities & Social Sciences Library
University of Western Australia
>===========================================================================
=====
>Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:26:09 -0700
>From: "Jennifer E. McCarty"
>To: Stumpers
>Subj: Bloomsbury group -- citation help
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>I'm attempting to help a patron track down some essays about the
>Bloomsbury group. She has only modest citation information. I'm not
>very good at tracking down stuff this old. I would greatly appreciate a
>better citation for any of the essays mentioned below, or hints about
>where to look next.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Sources checked: WorldCat, internet, Stumpers archives
>
>Jennifer
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> I am also having trouble finding some essays that I also have limited info
>> on. One is Arnold Bennet's "The Fallow Fields of Fiction." The date I have
>> for that one is 1901. I am also looking for two essays by Sir Leslie
>> Stephen: one is "What is Materialism" (1886) and the other is something with
>> "Charlotte Bronte" in the title, first published in 1892. I am also looking
>> for an essay by Lytton Strachey which is called "Conscientious Objector."
>> (1914)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>--
>Jennifer E. McCarty
>Humanities Reference and Instruction Librarian
>University of Colorado at Boulder
>jennifer.mccarty@colorado.edu
>303-492-8887
note: concentrate on bennet’s essay, a reprint of which may be included in EGLI 68?
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@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:16:40 -0500
From: "Lorie J. O'Donnell"
To: Jeff Imparato , STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Boot scoot'n boogie, origin of song
The single from their first album, Brand New Man, that brought them into the
spotlight was the danceclub hit, "Boot Scootin' Boogie" (written by Ronnie
Dunn). This song literally made the duo's first album so unforgettable that
a clubmix version of that same song was included on their second album, Hard
Workin' Man. When a song of this magnitude and popularity exists for an
artist or group, the effort to "top" that single sometimes drags down any
future attempts.
from:
Lorie J. O'Donnell
Jervis Public Library Children's Room
Rome, NY 13440
Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
- Elbert Hubbard
> From: Jeff Imparato
> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:11:34 -0600
> To: "'STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu '"
> Subject: Boot scoot'n boogie, origin of song
>
> Greetings Stumper friends,
>
> I have a patron interested in the history of the line-dance song, "Boot
> scoot'n boogie." I've found instruction on how to do the actual dance, but
> not when it first came out. Dunn & Brooks has popularized it now, but did
> they write it?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Jeff Imparato, Reference Librarian
> Topeka & Shawnee County Public Library
INFO CAN BE DERIVED FROM WORLD CAT, WWHICH LEADS TO ORIGINAL ALBUM AND IMPLIES THAT HINDS AND/OR DUNN WROTE IT
| |Brand new man |
| |Brooks & Dunn (Musical group) |
| |1991 |
| |English [pic] Sound Recording : Music : Country music : [pic] Cassette tape 1 sound cassette : analog, stereo., Dolby |
| |processed. |
| |New York, NY : Arista, |
|Mark: |[pic] |
|Database: |WorldCat |
|Ownership: |Check the catalogs in your library. |
| |• Libraries that Own Item: 102 |
|Title: |Brand new man |
|Corp Author: |Brooks & Dunn (Musical group) prf |
|Publication: |New York, NY :; Arista, |
|Year: |1991 |
|Description: |1 sound cassette :; analog, stereo., Dolby processed. |
|Language: |English |
|Standard No: |Publisher: 18658-4; Arista; 8658-4; Arista; Other: 7822186584 |
|Contents: |Brand new man (2:58) -- My next broken heart (2:55) -- Cool drink of water (3:05) -- Cheating on the |
| |blues (2:50) -- Neon moon (4:20) -- Lost and found (3:47) -- I've got a lot to learn (2:54) -- Boot |
| |scootin' boogie (3:16) -- I'm no good (3:07) -- Still in love with you (3:34). |
| |SUBJECT(S) |
|Descriptor: |Country music -- 1991- |
|Note(s): |Lyrics on insert./ Arista 18658-4 or 8658-4./ Participants: Performed by Brooks & Dunn (Kix Brooks and |
| |Ronnie Dunn) with accompaniment./ Recorded at Tree Studio, Midtown Tone & Volume, and Soundshop, |
| |Nashville, Tenn. |
|Class Descrpt: |Dewey: 781.642 |
|Responsibility: |Brooks & Dunn. |
|Document Type: |Sound Recording |
|Entry: |19910918 |
|Update: |20011107 |
|Accession No: |OCLC: 24414161 |
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:01:44 -0800
From: Medford Reference Department
To: STUMPERS-L
Subj: Garbage incinerator
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--Boundary_(ID_cZcVvaHyey4/F12/tJSmzQ)
Content-type: text/plain
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hello,
We have a patron looking for instructions on how to build a sparkless garbage incinerator for burning garbage outdoors. I'm told people in the 30s and 40s were encouraged to build these to reduce pollution. We believe they are beehive or dome shaped.
We checked Mother Earth News, Google, Backwood Home, and How to do it books. Any leads would be good.
Thank you.
Sarah
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@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:03:12 -0600
From: Daphne Drewello
To: Julia Wotipka ,
Subj: Re: Quotation stumper!
Julia Wotipka wrote
> "an army of empty phrases marching across the landscape in
> search of an idea"
>
> I'm thinking H.L. Mencken? I could be wrong....
According to
among other places, "His speeches left the impression
of an army of pompous phrases moving over the landscape
in search of an idea" was said about Warren Harding by
former Secretary of the Treasury William McAdoo.
There is also a quote there about Harding by Mencken.
Daphne Drewello
Alfred Dickey Library
Jamestown, ND
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From: timothypwee@.sg
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ? My Last Moving Day by the Monroe Brothers
A reader is looking for the lyrics to the song "My Last Moving Day" by the
Monroe Brothers. We unfortunately (and not surprisingly) do not have a lyrics
collection for American songs of the 1930s. Does anyone happen to have the
lyrics or would anyone be able to point us to a source for the lyrics?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Regards,
Timothy Pwee
Librarian
Information Products
National Library Board
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@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:02:30 -0500
From: Julie Arnold
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: A Stumpers-L Question
What is the longest city name in the united states?
-----------------------------------------------------------
Julie Harding Arnold
Science & Technology Services Team
Liaison to the Computer Science and Aerospace Engineering
Departments
Coordinator of Reference Services
Engineering and Physical Sciences Library
University of Maryland Libraries
College Park, MD 20742
Email: jh276@umail.umd.edu
Voice: 301-405-9151
Fax: 301-405-9164
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:22:09 -0500
From: suekamm@
Sender: suekamm@
To: jh276@umail.umd.edu
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Longest city name?
Julie Arnold wrote:
What is the longest city name in the united states?
I don't know if it's still official, but El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora La
Reina de Los Angeles de Porcinucula (The town of Our Lady, Queen of
the Angels of little smoke) may certainly be close.
(You may know it better as L.A.)
--
Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor-at-large,
Sue Kamm
Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000
Visit my home page:
email: suekamm@
"Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:23:26 -0800
From: Ellen Cousins
To: Julie Arnold
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: A Stumpers-L Question
This site says (recursively):
An Internet web page claims that the longest town or city name in the U.
S. is WINCHESTER-ON-THE-SEVERN, Maryland, and that the longest
unhyphenated name in the U. S. is MOOSELOOKMEGUNTIC, a lake in Maine.
According to The Texas Almanac, DALWORTHINGTON GARDENS is the longest
place name in Texas. (Dalworthington Gardens is an island city
surrounded by Arlington. The name is derived from its proximity to
Dallas and Ft. Worth) [Charles Turner].
Ellen C.
Julie Arnold wrote:
> What is the longest city name in the united states?
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:43:12 -0800
From: Craig Miller
To: suekamm@
Cc: jh276@umail.umd.edu, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Longest city name?
I don't know if it's still official but I believe El Pueblo de
Nuestra Senora La Reina de Los Angeles de Porcinucula
was later changed to La Ciudad de... (The City of... )
Craig.
At 01:22 PM 11/13/2001 -0500, suekamm@ wrote:
>
>
>Julie Arnold wrote:
>
> What is the longest city name in the united states?
>
>I don't know if it's still official, but El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora La
>Reina de Los Angeles de Porcinucula (The town of Our Lady, Queen of
>the Angels of little smoke) may certainly be close.
>
>(You may know it better as L.A.)
>--
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:08:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Mary Lou White
To: Julie Arnold
Cc: "STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu"
Subj: Re: A Stumpers-L Question
I'd guess that Truth or Consequences, NM would be in the running.
Mary Lou White
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Julie Arnold wrote:
> What is the longest city name in the united states?
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:51:00 -0800
From: Sue Watkins
To: Julie Arnold
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: A Stumpers-L Question
Here are some thoughts on ...l o n g... city names
1. El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles de la Porciuncula,
California (if it is still official, Los Angeles if not)
2. La Villa Real de la Santa Fe de San Francisco de Asis, New Mexico
(if it is still official, Santa Fe if not)
3. Winchester-on-the-Severn, Maryland (24 characters with hyphens, 21
without, no spaces)
4. Dalworthington Gardens, Texas (21 characters, no spaces)
--
Sue Watkins
suewatkins@ - email
(703) 234-3954 x9332 - voicemail/fax
---- Julie Arnold wrote:
> What is the longest city name in the united states?
>
>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:51:00 -0800
From: Sue Watkins
To: Julie Arnold
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: A Stumpers-L Question
Here are some thoughts on ...l o n g... city names
1. El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles de la Porciuncula,
California (if it is still official, Los Angeles if not)
2. La Villa Real de la Santa Fe de San Francisco de Asis, New Mexico
(if it is still official, Santa Fe if not)
3. Winchester-on-the-Severn, Maryland (24 characters with hyphens, 21
without, no spaces)
4. Dalworthington Gardens, Texas (21 characters, no spaces)
--
Sue Watkins
suewatkins@ - email
(703) 234-3954 x9332 - voicemail/fax
---- Julie Arnold wrote:
> What is the longest city name in the united states?
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:26:34 -0500
From: Julie Arnold
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Winner--""longest city name""
Thanks to everyone who answered. The longest name any of us
could find is:
Leisure Village West-Pine Lake Park, NJ, with 39 characters.
-Julie
>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:00:37 -0500
From: Dan Robinson
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: RE: Winner--""longest city name""
I don't know if I would call this a 'city'. It's really just a populated
place (aka a retirement village) inside the town of Lakehurst, NJ.
Dan Robinson
drobinson@
(local knowledge, I grew up in the region)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:34:52 +0000
From: Jim Long
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: %RE: longest city name
My copy of "The Columbia Gazeteer of the World" concludes their entry for
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychllantsiliogogogoch with the statement: "longest
place name IN NORTHERN HEMISPHERE"!! Unfortunately, they don't say what the
longest place name in the Southern Hemisphere is.
Cheers,
Jim Long
Hawaii State Library
Honolulu
Rephrase question to verify that the wells name is the longest
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From: "DeFato, Joan"
To: 'martin koszegi' , stumpers-L@cuis.edu
Subj: RE: Irish ballad lyrics source
Some information is here: . I
don't have Irish Melodies so I can't check further.
Joan DeFato
Plant Science Library
The Arboretum of Los Angeles County
301 North Baldwin Avenue
Arcadia, CA 91007-2697
Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217
-----Original Message-----
From: martin koszegi [mailto:martinkoszegi@]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:20 PM
To: stumpers-L@cuis.edu
Subject: Irish ballad lyrics source
I seek MLA-satisfying (including page number, if
possible) source data for the following:
The minstrel boy to the war is gone
In the ranks of death you'll find him.
His father's sword he hath girded on
And his wild harp slung behind him.
"Land of song," said the warrior bard,
"Tho all the world betrays thee,
One sword at least thy rights shall guard,
One faithful harp shall praise thee."
Thanks. --Marty.
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:55:53 -0800
From: Shari Haber
To: martin koszegi , stumpers-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Irish ballad lyrics source
That would be Thomas Moore's 'The Minstrel Boy". One place it can be
found is on pages 475-476 of Duncan's "Lyrics From the Old Song Book".
If you have Granger's Corefiche, it's on fiche 1 of #6328-4.
Shari Haber
MCLS Reference
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:45:13 -0500
From: Phalbe Henriksen
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: ?Dominican Alliance of Services (New York City office?)
I have a patron who is looking for the address of the New York City office
(doesn't know if this is the main office) of the Dominican Alliance of
Services. He'd like to make a donation. We have few (to no) print resources
for this and I can't find them on the web.
I'm back on after a long spell off the list. I hope this hasn't been
covered yet. I couldn't get into the archives.
TIA
Phalbe Henriksen
Director
Bradford County Public Library
Starke, FL
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:43:09 -0800
From: Ellen Cousins
To: Phalbe Henriksen
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?Dominican Alliance of Services (New York City office?)
Try this:
Alianza Dominicana, Inc. (Dominican Alliance)
Alianza Dominicana is the largest and most comprehensive social
service agency in Washington Heights/Inwood and the largest Domnican
service agency in the country. It was founded in 1982 to serve Dominican
immigrants. The non-profit agency provides thousands of children and
families with the educational, vocational, counseling and recreational
tools. It has a an AIDS program that provides social work services to
individuals and families living with AIDS. It has a family center that
helps people who are dealing with stress and alcohol abuse, mental
retardation and helps them gain empowerment through positive social and
support networks. It has a day care and plans to open a child Mental
Health Clinic which will provide psychotherapy. It works hand-in-hand
with other other community-based organzations, private foundations, the
business community, and city, state and federal governments. For more
information, visit 2410 Amsterdam Ave., 4th floor or call: (212) 740-1960.
HTH
Ellen C.
Phalbe Henriksen wrote:
> I have a patron who is looking for the address of the New York City office
> (doesn't know if this is the main office) of the Dominican Alliance of
> Services. He'd like to make a donation. We have few (to no) print resources
> for this and I can't find them on the web.
>
> I'm back on after a long spell off the list. I hope this hasn't been
> covered yet. I couldn't get into the archives.
>
> TIA
>
> Phalbe Henriksen
> Director
> Bradford County Public Library
> Starke, FL
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:49:21 -0600
From: Daphne Drewello
To: Ted Nesbitt , stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?Agra
Ted Nesbitt wrote
> Does anyone know the meaning of the word "Agra," the city in India wherein
> the Taj Mahal is located?
According to
To most visitors, Agra is the city of the Taj Mahal and of the Mughal
Emperors.Agra has its roots in ancient Hindu myths which called it Agrabana,
meaning paradise.
Hope that helps a little.
Daphne Drewello
Alfred Dickey Library
Jamestown, ND
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:52:49 -0500
From: Jeanne Schramm
To: tedjnesbitt@
Cc: stumpers-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?Agra
According to the website "Agra Fort," the word agra is based on the word agraban which means paradise in Sanscrit.
>Does anyone know the meaning of the word "Agra," the city in India wherein
>the Taj Mahal is located? It is not listed in any of our place names dictionaries, and I'm not even sure from which language it comes. The town was originally founded by the Mughals (Mogols?). Agra was also a province of India. I need to know its meaning and derivation. Our geography department has been searching, but they haven't found it either. A plea
>to the Agra website has gone unanswered.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Ted Nesbitt
>--
>
>
According to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon at
Entry agra
Meaning mfn. (fr. %{aGg} Un2.) , foremost , anterior , first , prominent ,
projecting , chief , best L. ; supernumerary L. ; (%{A}) f. [scil. %{rekhA}]
measure of amplitude (i.e. the distance from the extremity of the
gnomon-shadow to the line of the equinoctial shadow) Su1ryas. ; (%{am}) n.
foremost point or part ; tip ; front ; uppermost part , top , summit ,
surface ; point ; and hence , figuratively , sharpness ; the nearest end ,
the beginning ; the climax or best part ; goal , aim ; multitude L. ; a
weight , equal to a pala L. ; a measure of food given as alms L. ; (in
astron.) the sun's amplitude ; (%{am}) ind. in front , before , ahead of ;
(%{a4greNa}) ind. in front , before (without or with acc.) S3Br. ; (a4gre)
ind. in front , ahead of , in the beginning , first ; further on ,
subsequently , below (in a book) ; from - up to (%{A}) S3Br. , before (in
time) AitUp. &c. [cf. Gk. $].
Cle%ar as a {bell}, isn'$t it?
Daphne Drewello
Alfred Dickey Library
Jamestown, ND
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:40:36 -0500
From: tedjnesbitt@ (Ted Nesbitt)
To: drewello@ (Daphne Drewello), stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu,
Subj: RE: Re: ?Agra
Daphne: I got a lot of $ and % and & and other garbage in your message.
Other than that, it is as clear as a crystal clear bell.
Thanks to you and Jeanne, I tried the Cappeller Sanskrit dictionary at
. I couldn't find agraban or agrabana, but
agra is listed:
agra -- Meaning
n. front, top, summit, tip, point, upper part, surface; outbreak, beginning; the highest or best of anything.
I guess "paradise" IS "the best of anything."
Thanks.
Ted
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@@@@@@@@@@@@Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:47:51 -0500
From: "Baker, John"
To: "'Monblatt, Bruce'" ,
Subj: *Thanks for Answer to Help on a poem
Bruce,
Thanks for that prompt and accurate answer. Armed with the exact
name, I see that The Battle of Blenheim is online in various locations,
including .
John Baker
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monblatt, Bruce [SMTP:Bruce.Monblatt@]
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:59 AM
> To: 'Baker, John'; 'STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu'
> Subject: RE: ?Help on a poem
>
> This is Robert Southey's Battle of Blenheim.
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:43:12 -0500
From: ibbetson
To: "Baker, John"
Cc: "'STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu'"
Subj: Re: ?Help on a poem
At 16/11/2001 11:49 -0500, Baker, John wrote:
> The young man or men ask him what made it so
> > glorious, and the old man replies that he doesn't know but they said it
> > was
> > glorious.
It sounds like "The Battle of Blenheim" by Robert Southey
'And everybody praised the Duke,
Who this great fight did win.'
'But what good came of it at last?'
Quoth little Peterkin.
'Why that I cannot tell,' said he,
'But 'twas a famous victory.'
David ib
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Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
Think about converting this to a historical atlas question
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:52:35 -0800
From: BLIC
To: Daphne Drewello
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ! Conrad Kohrs Warren
Daphne Drewello wrote:>
> Patron has requested an ILL on something called "Night of the Great Circle" by Conrad Kohrs Warren, who was a big rancher in Montana.
***********
Database: ReadersGuideAbs
Author(s): Warren, Conrad Kohrs.
Title: Night of the great circle. tie that binds man and beast
Source: Reader's Digest v. 127 (Nov. '85) p. 98-103 Journal
Abstract: During a lonely night in the wild, a lifelong rancher
is visited in a dream by all the animals he has ever
known and loved.
Article Type: feature article
Accession No: BRGA85060192
Chris Gallery
Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System
c/o Santa Barbara Public Library
P.O. Box 1019
Santa Barbara, CA 93102
Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:37:07 -0800
From: Sue Watkins
To: Craig Miller
Cc: Stumpers-L
Subj: %%%+1 Re: Christmas Cards Origin (source)
To add to David Ibbetson's contrabution, Britannica Online is the source
of the story. They say that during the Middle Ages of Europe, wood engravers
produced prints with religious themes, but John Callcott Horsley's cards
made for his friend Sir Henry Cole in England in 1843, were the first
'Christmas cards' as we know them now.
--
Sue Watkins
suewatkins@ - email
(703) 234-3954 x9332 - voicemail/fax
---- Craig Miller wrote:
> The internet/e-mail information service sent out the following
> bit of historical trivia. They included no sources. Is this story
> correct? Is this how Christmas Cards came to be?
>
>
> Q: How did Christmas cards come to be?
>
> A: Henry Cole, an Englishman, was too busy to write
> personal greetings for Christmas 1843. Cole hired artist
> John Calcott Horsley to design a ready to be sent card.
> The hand-colored card Horsley designed was lithographed
> on stiff, dark cardboard and featured adults and children
> raising wine glasses in a toast. The first Christmas card
> also had various religious symbols. Sprigs of holly
> symbolized chastity, while ivy symbolized places God had
> walked. Feeding and clothing the poor were also
> encouraged on the card's cover. Under the picture was
> written "A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you."
> Printed in an edition of 1,000, Horsley's card was sold in
> London stores. Only one of those cards exists today.
>
>
>
>
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