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UNCOMFIRMED MINUTES
RMC Meeting Minutes
Tuesday & Wednesday 06/19-20/2007
Crowne Plaza Atlanta-Buckhead
3377 Peachtree Road NE
Atlanta GA 30326
Phone: 404-264-1111
Note: presentations are posted on the RMC web site in the folder under minutes associated to this meeting. Where reference is made in the minutes to See Presentation #x, open the file on the web with the corresponding number.
In the minutes below:
• Discussions are documented in Blue
• Actions are documented in Red
• Decisions are documented in Sea Green
1. Day One Welcome, Introductions, Ground rules Vince May
See Presentation #1
• Welcomed new RMC members in attendance:
– David Day - GE Aviation
– George Nota - L3 Communications
• Proxies for RMC Members as follows:
– Patrice Bleau for Colin Clarke - Bombardier
– John Rogers for Mike Gallagher - LockheedMartin
– Frank Gritsko for Pete Krutoholow - UTC
2. Day One Morning session was dedicated to Sub Team Meetings and as such, detail minutes, actions, and discussion have been captured by the Sub Team Leader
• Update on RMC Documentation sub-team Bryan Milne
See Presentation #2
• RMC Draft procedures reviewed:
– AAQG RMC AS9104-2 Oversight Process Susie Neal
See Presentation #2a
– RMC Operating Procedures Mike Roberts
See Presentation #2b
3. Organizational Summary Vince May
See Presentation #3
4. ANAB Report Lori Scheid
See Presentation #4
5. INMETRO Report Vladia Perez
See Presentation #5
6. SCC Report NA
See Presentation #6
7. Auditor Review Report Will Tate
See Presentation #7
• Review of draft RMC procedure 103
See Presentation #7a
8. Surveillance Team Report Susie Neal
• General discussion centered on the Surveillance Team objectives and schedule - details are captured by the Surveillance Team and not of public domain
See Presentation #8
9. Day Two Welcome, Introductions, Ground rules Vince May
See Presentation #9
10. Authorities Report Buck Crenshaw
See Presentation #10
11. IAQG OPMT Report (Resolution Log) Rick Downs
See Presentation #11
• Reminder: - The AAQG RMC will be reviewed by the OPMT during the October Orlando IAQG meeting - Vince / Tim to establish any RMC preparatory efforts
12. IAQG / SAE Memorandum of Understanding Mike Roberts
See Presentation #12
13. IAQG Future Funding Team Report Mike Roberts
See Presentation #13
14. RMC Documentation Team Bryan Milne
See Presentation #14
15. AS9104-1 Revision Mike Roberts
See Presentation #15
16. AS9104-2 & -3 - Implementation Patrice Bleau
See Presentation #16
17. Electronic Training & AS9104/3 Shanya Salamaca
See Presentation #17
18. Virtual Learning (eTraining) Dave Sanicola
See Presentation #18
19. Review and update RMC Action Item Log Ed Bayne
See Presentation #19
• Lori Scheid provided clarification on intent of CoI in 9104-2 relative to moonlighting assessors working for CBs and then assessing other CBs
– 9104-2 section 4.4 clearly states that an OEM employees who performs contract auditing services for a CB (at any technology i.e. ISO, TL, ICOP, etc.) shall not be an industry OP Assessor
1. RMC Members will not put forward an OP Assessor that has any contract relationship with a CB and the RMC Oversight / Surveillance Team will ensure no OP Assessors are put forward that have any contract relationship with a CB.
2. RMC agreed to submit a statement to the AAQG Chair and AAQG Membership chair stating when the RMC will implement the revised AAQG 102 Membership Procedure, requiring 20 RMC Members and which therefore requires 11 Auditor Review Committee members. Long term is to change the requirements on the number of Auditor Review Committee members.
1. Action for Vince May to submit a statement to the AAQG Chair and AAQG Membership chair stating when the RMC will implement the revised AAQG 102 Membership Procedure, requiring 20 RMC Members and which therefore requires 11 Auditor Review Committee members.
3. RMC agreed to start developing a procedure for handling resolutions which may allow for interpretations and changes to IAQG & AAQG issued technical writings published by SAE. This procedure will be presented to the RMC and then AAQG for ballot prior to submitting to SAE. Reason is to ensure the RMC is operating under the rules of the SAE as we are an SAE committee.
2. Action to Bryan Milne RMC Document 101 chair to start developing a procedure for handling resolutions which may allow for interpretations and changes to IAQG & AAQG issued technical writings published by SAE. This procedure will be presented to the RMC and then AAQG for ballot prior to submitting to SAE. Reason is to ensure the RMC is operating under the rules of the SAE as we are an SAE committee.
20. Open Discussion - CRB Issues Concerns, Q&A, Meeting Critique
• SAE creating report on CRB invoices revealed inconsistencies in SAE/CRB invoices - CRB - please close loop on all invoices - don’t just ignore them.
• Request made to have RMC look at themselves to determine if RMC represents the MRO side.
• CBs requested to check OASIS entries and clean up and errors (Jay Myers asset to provide assistance / help)
• Color scheme for presentations needs improvement - i.e. don’t use red text on blue background, etc.
• Sub-team sessions are not a working session, but ends up as redundant report out.
21. Closing Remarks to RMC group Vince May
22. Adjourned at 12:01pm
Registrar Management Committee Meeting Attendees
Tuesday 06/19/2007
Attendees Legend:
Name: VM = Voting Members; M = RMC Member
Affiliation: AB = Accreditation Body; AAB = Auditor Authentication Body;
AAC = Authorities, Academia, Customer; CRB = Certification/Registration Body
OEM = AAQG Member; SAE = SAE; Guest = Any other entity
Name Company Affiliation
M Ed Bayne (Secretary) Boeing OEM
Kevin Beard NQA-USA CRB
Larry Beck Lockheed Martin OEM
Fred Becker TRC CRB
David Bissell TUV Sud America CRB
M Carl Blazik IAAR / SAI CRB
Partice Bleau Bombardier OEM
George Castro DQSUSA Inc CRB
M Buck Crenshaw Jet Propulsion Laboratory AAC
VM David Day GE Aviation OEM
Paul Dionne Intertek CRB
VM Rick Downs Textron OEM
William Dupre RW TUV CRB
Bobby Etheredge AMSAC Guest
Steve Gaylord Eaton Aerospace OEM
VM Frank Gritsko UTC OEM
Larry Henderson BSI CRB
Donna Herring United Space Alliance Guest
Trudy Keaveney NQA-USA CRB
Viktor Kirby Trader Viks CRB
Joe Krachie SAI-Global Guest
VM Mike Levy Rolls-Royce OEM
Alexander Madison Underwriters Laboratories CRB
Alice Mata BRTUV CRB
VM Vince May (Vice Chair) Honeywell OEM
VM Bryan Milne Gulfstream OEM
Jay Myers SAE SAE
VM Susie Neal Goodrich OEM
VM George Nota L-3 Communications OEM
Walter O’Connor TUV - USA CRB
VM Jay Park Northrop Grumman OEM
Robert Parsons NQA-USA CRB
VM Vladia Perez Embraer OEM
Linda Price Boeing OEM
M Stan Purwin Johns Hopkins Univ / APL AAC
George Ringger Aviation Suppliers Assoc. Guest
VM Mike Roberts Boeing OEM
Spencer Rodgers Spirit AeroSystems OEM
John Rogers Lockheed Martin OEM
Shanya Salamaca RABQSA AAB
David Sanicola SAI-Global Guest
M Lori Scheid-Gillespie ANAB AB
Chuck Schleyer PRG CRB
Denise Shaw DQSUSA Inc CRB
VM Will Tate Vought OEM
Duane Taylor Aerojet Guest
Robert Tibbetts SQA CRB
Sandra Tokola DAC Audit Service Guest
Ben Tuley Excel Partnership Guest
VM Rich Vinton Raytheon OEM
VM Rick Wilcox Spirit AeroSystems OEM
Jeff Wood SAE SAE
Tuesday 06/19/2007 Attendance Statistics
Attendance: Total 52
AAB (PCB) 1
AAC 2
ABs 1
CRBs 17
Guests 8
OEMs 21
SAE 2
Represented: ABs 1
CRBs 14
OEMs 17
Registrar Management Committee Meeting Attendees
Wednesday 06/20/2007
Attendees Legend:
Name: VM = Voting Members; M = RMC Member
Affiliation: AB = Accreditation Body; AAB = Auditor Authentication Body;
AAC = Authorities, Academia, Customer; CRB = Certification/Registration Body
OEM = AAQG Member; SAE = SAE; Guest = Any other entity
Name Company Affiliation
Chris Atherton Contract AIEA Guest
M Ed Bayne (Secretary) Boeing OEM
Kevin Beard NQA-USA CRB
Larry Beck Lockheed Martin OEM
Fred Becker TRC CRB
David Bissell TUV Sud America CRB
M Reg Blake IAAR / BSI America CRB
M Carl Blazik IAAR / SAI CRB
Partice Bleau Bombardier OEM
Kathleen Boyle Verify Guest
George Castro DQSUSA Inc CRB
Judy Chapman Parker Hannifin OEM
M Buck Crenshaw Jet Propulsion Laboratory AAC
Dorinda Curran Boeing OEM
VM David Day GE Aviation OEM
Paul Dionne Intertek CRB
VM Rick Downs Textron OEM
William Dupre RW TUV CRB
Bobby Etheredge AMSAC Guest
Diane Geldreich AQA International CRB
Don Grainger Harris Corp Guest
VM Frank Gritsko UTC OEM
Larry Henderson BSI CRB
Donna Herring United Space Alliance Guest
Anderson Jacinth ABS QE CRB
Trudy Keaveney NQA-USA CRB
Viktor Kirby Trader Viks CRB
Joe Krachie SAI-Global Guest
Pete Kucan PRI Registrar CRB
VM Mike Levy Rolls-Royce OEM
Phylis Logan PRI Registrar CRB
Alexander Madison Underwriters Laboratories CRB
Alice Mata BRTUV CRB
VM Vince May (Vice Chair) Honeywell OEM
VM Bryan Milne Gulfstream OEM
Jay Myers SAE SAE
VM Susie Neal Goodrich OEM
VM George Nota L-3 Communications OEM
Walter O’Connor TUV - USA CRB
VM Jay Park Northrop Grumman OEM
Robert Parsons NQA-USA CRB
VM Vladia Perez Embraer OEM
Linda Price Boeing OEM
M Stan Purwin Johns Hopkins Univ / APL AAC
George Ringger Aviation Suppliers Assoc. Guest
VM Mike Roberts Boeing OEM
Spencer Rodgers Spirit AeroSystems OEM
John Rogers Lockheed Martin OEM
Chuck Russo ABS QE CRB
Shanya Salamaca RABQSA AAB
David Sanicola SAI-Global Guest
M Lori Scheid-Gillespie ANAB AB
Chuck Schleyer PRG CRB
Denise Shaw DQSUSA Inc CRB
Robert Starkweather AQA International CRB
VM Will Tate Vought OEM
Duane Taylor Aerojet Guest
Robert Tibbetts SQA CRB
Sandra Tokola DAC Audit Service Guest
Ben Tuley Excel Partnership Guest
VM Rich Vinton Raytheon OEM
VM Rick Wilcox Spirit AeroSystems OEM
Jeff Wood SAE SAE
Wednesday 06/20/2007 Attendance Statistics
Attendance: Total 63
AAB (PCB) 1
AAC 2
ABs 1
CRBs 24
Guests 11
OEMs 22
SAE 2
Represented: ABs 1
CRBs 17
OEMs 17
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