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UNCOMFIRMED MINUTES

RMC Meeting Minutes

Tuesday & Wednesday 06/19-20/2007

Crowne Plaza Atlanta-Buckhead

3377 Peachtree Road NE

Atlanta GA 30326

Phone: 404-264-1111

Note: presentations are posted on the RMC web site in the folder under minutes associated to this meeting. Where reference is made in the minutes to See Presentation #x, open the file on the web with the corresponding number.

In the minutes below:

• Discussions are documented in Blue

• Actions are documented in Red

• Decisions are documented in Sea Green

1. Day One Welcome, Introductions, Ground rules Vince May

See Presentation #1

• Welcomed new RMC members in attendance:

– David Day - GE Aviation

– George Nota - L3 Communications

• Proxies for RMC Members as follows:

– Patrice Bleau for Colin Clarke - Bombardier

– John Rogers for Mike Gallagher - LockheedMartin

– Frank Gritsko for Pete Krutoholow - UTC

2. Day One Morning session was dedicated to Sub Team Meetings and as such, detail minutes, actions, and discussion have been captured by the Sub Team Leader

• Update on RMC Documentation sub-team Bryan Milne

See Presentation #2

• RMC Draft procedures reviewed:

– AAQG RMC AS9104-2 Oversight Process Susie Neal

See Presentation #2a

– RMC Operating Procedures Mike Roberts

See Presentation #2b

3. Organizational Summary Vince May

See Presentation #3

4. ANAB Report Lori Scheid

See Presentation #4

5. INMETRO Report Vladia Perez

See Presentation #5

6. SCC Report NA

See Presentation #6

7. Auditor Review Report Will Tate

See Presentation #7

• Review of draft RMC procedure 103

See Presentation #7a

8. Surveillance Team Report Susie Neal

• General discussion centered on the Surveillance Team objectives and schedule - details are captured by the Surveillance Team and not of public domain

See Presentation #8

9. Day Two Welcome, Introductions, Ground rules Vince May

See Presentation #9

10. Authorities Report Buck Crenshaw

See Presentation #10

11. IAQG OPMT Report (Resolution Log) Rick Downs

See Presentation #11

• Reminder: - The AAQG RMC will be reviewed by the OPMT during the October Orlando IAQG meeting - Vince / Tim to establish any RMC preparatory efforts

12. IAQG / SAE Memorandum of Understanding Mike Roberts

See Presentation #12

13. IAQG Future Funding Team Report Mike Roberts

See Presentation #13

14. RMC Documentation Team Bryan Milne

See Presentation #14

15. AS9104-1 Revision Mike Roberts

See Presentation #15

16. AS9104-2 & -3 - Implementation Patrice Bleau

See Presentation #16

17. Electronic Training & AS9104/3 Shanya Salamaca

See Presentation #17

18. Virtual Learning (eTraining) Dave Sanicola

See Presentation #18

19. Review and update RMC Action Item Log Ed Bayne

See Presentation #19

• Lori Scheid provided clarification on intent of CoI in 9104-2 relative to moonlighting assessors working for CBs and then assessing other CBs

– 9104-2 section 4.4 clearly states that an OEM employees who performs contract auditing services for a CB (at any technology i.e. ISO, TL, ICOP, etc.) shall not be an industry OP Assessor

1. RMC Members will not put forward an OP Assessor that has any contract relationship with a CB and the RMC Oversight / Surveillance Team will ensure no OP Assessors are put forward that have any contract relationship with a CB.

2. RMC agreed to submit a statement to the AAQG Chair and AAQG Membership chair stating when the RMC will implement the revised AAQG 102 Membership Procedure, requiring 20 RMC Members and which therefore requires 11 Auditor Review Committee members. Long term is to change the requirements on the number of Auditor Review Committee members.

1. Action for Vince May to submit a statement to the AAQG Chair and AAQG Membership chair stating when the RMC will implement the revised AAQG 102 Membership Procedure, requiring 20 RMC Members and which therefore requires 11 Auditor Review Committee members.

3. RMC agreed to start developing a procedure for handling resolutions which may allow for interpretations and changes to IAQG & AAQG issued technical writings published by SAE. This procedure will be presented to the RMC and then AAQG for ballot prior to submitting to SAE. Reason is to ensure the RMC is operating under the rules of the SAE as we are an SAE committee.

2. Action to Bryan Milne RMC Document 101 chair to start developing a procedure for handling resolutions which may allow for interpretations and changes to IAQG & AAQG issued technical writings published by SAE. This procedure will be presented to the RMC and then AAQG for ballot prior to submitting to SAE. Reason is to ensure the RMC is operating under the rules of the SAE as we are an SAE committee.

20. Open Discussion - CRB Issues Concerns, Q&A, Meeting Critique

• SAE creating report on CRB invoices revealed inconsistencies in SAE/CRB invoices - CRB - please close loop on all invoices - don’t just ignore them.

• Request made to have RMC look at themselves to determine if RMC represents the MRO side.

• CBs requested to check OASIS entries and clean up and errors (Jay Myers asset to provide assistance / help)

• Color scheme for presentations needs improvement - i.e. don’t use red text on blue background, etc.

• Sub-team sessions are not a working session, but ends up as redundant report out.

21. Closing Remarks to RMC group Vince May

22. Adjourned at 12:01pm

Registrar Management Committee Meeting Attendees

Tuesday 06/19/2007

Attendees Legend:

Name: VM = Voting Members; M = RMC Member

Affiliation: AB = Accreditation Body; AAB = Auditor Authentication Body;

AAC = Authorities, Academia, Customer; CRB = Certification/Registration Body

OEM = AAQG Member; SAE = SAE; Guest = Any other entity

Name Company Affiliation

M Ed Bayne (Secretary) Boeing OEM

Kevin Beard NQA-USA CRB

Larry Beck Lockheed Martin OEM

Fred Becker TRC CRB

David Bissell TUV Sud America CRB

M Carl Blazik IAAR / SAI CRB

Partice Bleau Bombardier OEM

George Castro DQSUSA Inc CRB

M Buck Crenshaw Jet Propulsion Laboratory AAC

VM David Day GE Aviation OEM

Paul Dionne Intertek CRB

VM Rick Downs Textron OEM

William Dupre RW TUV CRB

Bobby Etheredge AMSAC Guest

Steve Gaylord Eaton Aerospace OEM

VM Frank Gritsko UTC OEM

Larry Henderson BSI CRB

Donna Herring United Space Alliance Guest

Trudy Keaveney NQA-USA CRB

Viktor Kirby Trader Viks CRB

Joe Krachie SAI-Global Guest

VM Mike Levy Rolls-Royce OEM

Alexander Madison Underwriters Laboratories CRB

Alice Mata BRTUV CRB

VM Vince May (Vice Chair) Honeywell OEM

VM Bryan Milne Gulfstream OEM

Jay Myers SAE SAE

VM Susie Neal Goodrich OEM

VM George Nota L-3 Communications OEM

Walter O’Connor TUV - USA CRB

VM Jay Park Northrop Grumman OEM

Robert Parsons NQA-USA CRB

VM Vladia Perez Embraer OEM

Linda Price Boeing OEM

M Stan Purwin Johns Hopkins Univ / APL AAC

George Ringger Aviation Suppliers Assoc. Guest

VM Mike Roberts Boeing OEM

Spencer Rodgers Spirit AeroSystems OEM

John Rogers Lockheed Martin OEM

Shanya Salamaca RABQSA AAB

David Sanicola SAI-Global Guest

M Lori Scheid-Gillespie ANAB AB

Chuck Schleyer PRG CRB

Denise Shaw DQSUSA Inc CRB

VM Will Tate Vought OEM

Duane Taylor Aerojet Guest

Robert Tibbetts SQA CRB

Sandra Tokola DAC Audit Service Guest

Ben Tuley Excel Partnership Guest

VM Rich Vinton Raytheon OEM

VM Rick Wilcox Spirit AeroSystems OEM

Jeff Wood SAE SAE

Tuesday 06/19/2007 Attendance Statistics

Attendance: Total 52

AAB (PCB) 1

AAC 2

ABs 1

CRBs 17

Guests 8

OEMs 21

SAE 2

Represented: ABs 1

CRBs 14

OEMs 17

Registrar Management Committee Meeting Attendees

Wednesday 06/20/2007

Attendees Legend:

Name: VM = Voting Members; M = RMC Member

Affiliation: AB = Accreditation Body; AAB = Auditor Authentication Body;

AAC = Authorities, Academia, Customer; CRB = Certification/Registration Body

OEM = AAQG Member; SAE = SAE; Guest = Any other entity

Name Company Affiliation

Chris Atherton Contract AIEA Guest

M Ed Bayne (Secretary) Boeing OEM

Kevin Beard NQA-USA CRB

Larry Beck Lockheed Martin OEM

Fred Becker TRC CRB

David Bissell TUV Sud America CRB

M Reg Blake IAAR / BSI America CRB

M Carl Blazik IAAR / SAI CRB

Partice Bleau Bombardier OEM

Kathleen Boyle Verify Guest

George Castro DQSUSA Inc CRB

Judy Chapman Parker Hannifin OEM

M Buck Crenshaw Jet Propulsion Laboratory AAC

Dorinda Curran Boeing OEM

VM David Day GE Aviation OEM

Paul Dionne Intertek CRB

VM Rick Downs Textron OEM

William Dupre RW TUV CRB

Bobby Etheredge AMSAC Guest

Diane Geldreich AQA International CRB

Don Grainger Harris Corp Guest

VM Frank Gritsko UTC OEM

Larry Henderson BSI CRB

Donna Herring United Space Alliance Guest

Anderson Jacinth ABS QE CRB

Trudy Keaveney NQA-USA CRB

Viktor Kirby Trader Viks CRB

Joe Krachie SAI-Global Guest

Pete Kucan PRI Registrar CRB

VM Mike Levy Rolls-Royce OEM

Phylis Logan PRI Registrar CRB

Alexander Madison Underwriters Laboratories CRB

Alice Mata BRTUV CRB

VM Vince May (Vice Chair) Honeywell OEM

VM Bryan Milne Gulfstream OEM

Jay Myers SAE SAE

VM Susie Neal Goodrich OEM

VM George Nota L-3 Communications OEM

Walter O’Connor TUV - USA CRB

VM Jay Park Northrop Grumman OEM

Robert Parsons NQA-USA CRB

VM Vladia Perez Embraer OEM

Linda Price Boeing OEM

M Stan Purwin Johns Hopkins Univ / APL AAC

George Ringger Aviation Suppliers Assoc. Guest

VM Mike Roberts Boeing OEM

Spencer Rodgers Spirit AeroSystems OEM

John Rogers Lockheed Martin OEM

Chuck Russo ABS QE CRB

Shanya Salamaca RABQSA AAB

David Sanicola SAI-Global Guest

M Lori Scheid-Gillespie ANAB AB

Chuck Schleyer PRG CRB

Denise Shaw DQSUSA Inc CRB

Robert Starkweather AQA International CRB

VM Will Tate Vought OEM

Duane Taylor Aerojet Guest

Robert Tibbetts SQA CRB

Sandra Tokola DAC Audit Service Guest

Ben Tuley Excel Partnership Guest

VM Rich Vinton Raytheon OEM

VM Rick Wilcox Spirit AeroSystems OEM

Jeff Wood SAE SAE

Wednesday 06/20/2007 Attendance Statistics

Attendance: Total 63

AAB (PCB) 1

AAC 2

ABs 1

CRBs 24

Guests 11

OEMs 22

SAE 2

Represented: ABs 1

CRBs 17

OEMs 17

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