Doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/0202r1
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
|Minutes of the IEEE P802.11 Full Working Group |
|Date: 2008-01-14 |
|Author(s): |
|Name |Company |Address |Phone |email |
|Stephen McCann |Nokia Siemens Networks Roke |Old Salisbury Lane, Romsey, Hampshire, |+44 1794 833341 |stephen.mccann@roke.co.u|
| |Manor |SO51 0ZN, UK | |k |
IEEE 802.11 Plenary Meeting – Session #107
Howard Plaza Hotel, Taipei, Taiwan
January 14th-18th, 2008
IEEE 802 Wireless Opening Plenary, Monday 14th January 2008
(Note: these joint wireless meeting minutes are reproduced from 15-08-0031-00-0000-minutes-from-taipei-jan08.doc)
8:05 local time 802.11, 802.15, 802.18, 802.20, 802.21, and 802.22 Chairs called the joint meeting to order.
Announcements:
• Chair thanked the local IEEE chapter and MediaTek for sponsoring this conference. Thanks were also given to Kuor-Hsin Chang from Freescale for helping with arrangements.
Room attendance: 114
Straw Poll of new attendees: 2
IEEE patent policy
802.15 WG chair displayed and read the five slides explaining patent policy.
Chair asked participants to identify patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard, there were no responses.
8:23 Financial report by John Barr, (11-08-0089r0) (15-08-0032r0)
• 11 Nov 07 balance was $136,876.51
• 14 Jan 08 balance was $222,587.51
o Domain name registration -$20.00
• Funds in Face-to-Face Events account were $36,662 (Jan 08)
• Meeting reserve funds of $259,230
• Transfer of treasury account to IEEE designated bank
• Taipei status:
o 352 attendees registered
o Net deficit estimated at $71,344
8:31 Wireless announcements:
Wireless Network Updates by Rick Alfvin
• Newton.events. (docs and attendance links)
• WPA2 is available
IMAT by Christina Sahr (c.sahr@)
• To get an IEEE web account and follow directions
• Enter activity profile in myProject
• Register with IMAT
• Uses IEEE web account
• Register with IMAT once per week
Questions
• What is url? Reply: Newton
• What groups are using this system? WGs 11, 15, 18
• Is there a five minute grace period? Yes
• Each meeting needs affiliation to be entered
• Harry will have additional information on document 59
8:43 Review Interim meetings
• 11-16 May: Hyatt Regency in Jacksonville, FL USA
• 7 - 12 Sept Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island
• 18-23 January 09 – TBD
• 10-15 May 2009 – Fairmont Queen Elizabeth, Montreal, CA
8:38 Task Group Updates
• 802.11 (299 voter, 23 potential, 21 nearly, 108 aspirant)
WNG: number of presentations
TGk: sponsor ballot comment resolution towards sponsor ballot recirc
TGn: comment resolution
TGp: comment resolution for letter ballot
TGr: in sponsor ballot
TGs: getting first letter ballot out
TGt: resolve comments
TGu: continuing comment resolution
TGv: letter ballot comment resolution
TGw: formed sponsor ballot pool, go to letter ballot before sponsor
TGy: resolve comments from letter ballot
TGz: (DLS) Harry Worstell will run group this week
VHT SG: working on PAR and 5C
VTS SG: working on PAR and 5c
IMT adhoc: WG coordination plan, Darwin will run this meeting
802.15 (160 voters)
WNG: no presentations
TG3c: baseline proposal has been confirmed, drafting will start
TG4c: proposal has been accepted working with CWPAN
TG4d: hearing presentations from call for proposals
TG4e: first meeting as TG, define objectives and timeline
TG5: LB38 closes 23:00 Monday, comment resolution
TG6 (BAN): transitioning work from SG to TG
RFID IG: move process forward
TerraHz IG: looking for opportunities
VLC: four presentations this week
802.18 (14 voters)
Review UK
▪ digital dividend,
▪ spectrum usage rights,
Review agenda for WRC-11
Complete preparations for WP5D meeting
802.20
Review and resolve sponsor ballot comments
Development of PARs for future projects of 802.20
802.21 (71 voters)
Sponsor Ballot completed in Jan 2008 with 83% approval and 330 comments. Note: Since the first sponsor ballot did not achieve the necessary 75% to approve, the whole draft was available for comment during its recirculation
Two new SGs security signaling in handover, multi radio power conservation management
Goals for this week:
▪ Complete SG comment resolution
▪ Study group activities
802.22 (60 voters)
• goal is to complete draft of 1.0 this week
• TG1.1 not meeting this session
9:12 joint meeting adjourned
IEEE 802.11 Opening Plenary, Monday 14th January 2008
Presiding chair: Stuart J. Kerry (NXP Semiconductors) opened the meeting at 13:53 HTZ.
There are 299 voting members of IEEE 802.11
1. Approve/modify joint opening agenda (11-07-2884r3)
1. The only difference between r3 and r4 is a reallocation of slots for later in the week
2. Following neither discussion nor dissent the agenda was approved by unanimous consent.
2. November 2007 Minutes (11-07-2830r0)
1. Review and approve joint minutes from the Atlanta, November 2007 meeting.
2. Following neither discussion nor dissent these minutes were approved by unanimous consent.
3. Attendance
1. The chair then asked for those attending for the first time, 0 responded out of a total of 121 people in the room.
2. Attendance (together with affiliations) at this meeting is shown in Annex A.
4. Financials (see earlier slides from joint wireless meeting)
1. There will be deficit of $60, 000 from this meeting.
5. Policies and Procedures (11-07-0360r4)
1. The WG secretary (Stephen McCann: Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH & Co KG) read out the P&Ps.
2. There were no questions asked.
3. Please check the IEEE 802.11 WG membership list which is now on the website.
4. Attendance is required to obtain voting rights. Voting rights are only granted at plenaries.
5. Patent Policy
1. various slides were read out by the WG secretary
6. Patent FAQ
1. Please review these slides for all current procedures and information together with:
1. Patent FAQ -
2. LoA Form -
7. Affiliation
1. If you do not provide your affiliation then your rights can be withdrawn. Please see: for further information.
8. Anti-Trust
1. Please note the following anti-trust statements
9. Ethics
1. Please note the following ethics statements
10. No questions about any of this.
6. Call for essential Patents
1. The chair called for essential patents and there were none.
7. Interim Meetings
1. Please see wireless opening plenary information above.
8. Wireless Network Update
1. Please see wireless opening plenary information above.
9. P&P updates
1. Since the vice chair is not present this week, please send all statements to the WG secretary.
10. Voter Membership & Documentation (11-08-0058r0)
1. vice-chair Harry Worstell (AT&T Labs Incorporated)
2. There are currently 299 voting members in IEEE 802.11
3. Please note use the new IMAT attendance server at .
4. Document 11-08-0058r0 describes how to use this new system.
5. Q: How do you get reciprocal rights for IEEE 802.18 and IEEE 802.19?
6. A: This is now done automatically for you by the attendance server, although you do not actually see this happening.
7. Chair: Note, we’re now been running the mentor documentation system for 1 year and its working quite well.
8. Chair: This week your identity has changed, you no longer have the old ‘face-to-face’ ids. It’s now a new “SA pin number” from the myProject system.
9. Q: There are problems with multiple accounts, within the myProject, which they are still working with.
10. Please note that you have to see the external website to join the mailing lists.
11. WG Opening Reports & Goals for the week
1. Publicity & Timelines
1. Please can all sub group chairs send updates to the secretary by Thursday morning
2. Technical Editor (no report)
1. Terry Cole is not here this week; Nancy Cam-Winget will replace him.
2. Regarding ANA, Terry has sent a message to all editors. He will answer emails about ANA requests.
3. WNG SC (11-08-0094r0)
1. T.K. Tan (GTC Semiconductor)
2. Possibly 2 presentations this week
4. TGk (11-08-0084r0)
1. Richard Paine (Boeing Company)
2. Now going into 3rd re-circ Sponsor Ballot this week.
5. TGmb
1. No meeting this week. There is currently 1 outstanding interpretation request
6. TGn (11-08-0022r0)
1. Roughly 300 comments left this time.
7. TGp (11-08-0092r1)
1. Trying to go for new LB this week.
8. TGr (11-08-0181r0)
1. Not too much to do this week.
9. TGs (11-07-2933r2)
1. Comment resolution and hope to go to LB this week.
2. No editor, so if you wish to volunteer that would be useful.
10. TGT (11-08-0061r0)
1. Proceed with comment resolution
11. TGu (11-08-0076r0)
1. Comment resolution and liaison issues this week.
2. Also possible candidate for IEEE 802.11 liaison officer to 3GPP SA2
12. TGv (11-08-0011r0)
1. Comment resolution this week.
13. TGw (11-08-0091r2)
1. Meet to resolve comments from LB #117, which will be dealt with this week.
14. TGy (11-08-0080r0)
1. Currently in initial sponsor ballot.
15. TGz (11-08-0052r0)
1. Menzo is not here this week, so this group will be chaired by the vice-chair, Harry Worstell (AT&T Labs). Presentations this week.
16. VHT SG (11-08-0085r0)
1. Presentations on PAR and 5Criteria documents.
2. Please note that the Tourhosts paper schedule is wrong for VHT SG. Please look at the agenda graphic, 11-07-2884r3.
17. VTS SG (11-08-0074r0)
1. Presentations on PAR and 5Criteria documents.
18. IMT-A Ad Hoc (11-08-0023r0)
1. Reviewing status of IMT-A status this week. May have a joint meeting with IEEE 802.18 this week.
2. Darwin Engwer (Nortel Networks)
3. Preparing for upcoming ITU-R meetings.
12. Any Other Business
1. None
2. Meeting recessed at 10:01 HZT.
Wednesday, 16 January 2008
IEEE 802.11 Mid Week Plenary
Presiding chair: Stuart J. Kerry (NXP Semiconductors) opened the meeting at 10:30 HTZ.
103 people present.
13. Approve/modify joint opening agenda (11-07-2884r4)
1. TGy discussion added
2. Following neither discussion nor dissent the agenda was approved by unanimous consent.
14. Policies and procedures
1. Please note that this meeting is still operating under Monday’s P&P rules.
2. No questions about this.
15. Call for Essential Patents
1. Call for essential patents
2. No items raised.
16. CAC
1. Reminder about 7.30pm meeting on Thursday
17. Attendance Recording
1. Vice chair (Harry Worstell) A few glitches at the beginning, but it now seems to be ok. He would like to thank Christiana Sahr (IEEE) for her help with the system this week. Please raise comments and issues.
2. Please continue to use the new system.
18. Other Announcements
1. Letter Ballots (LBs)
1. Please be careful with the IEEE 802.11 LBs. They are not all re-circulation LB and if you are not careful, you will loose you voting rights.
2. Affiliations
1. Please remember to complete your affiliations.
3. 802.1/802.11 VTS Joint Meeting update
1. Joint meeting, 9am on January 31st 2008.
2. Please send an email to Ganesh if you are interested.
3. Chair: Please can you post this information to the IEEE 802.11 email reflector
19. Liaisons
1. 802.18 : Radio Regulatory Tag (18-08-0006r0)
1. Wi-Fi Alliance is meeting in Prague at the end of February 2008 and they will be meeting with the EU regulators regarding DFS rules.
2. 802.19 (11-08-0141r0)
1. 802.19 have not met this week in Taipei.
3. 802.21 (11-08-0152r0)
1. Please note that in March 2008, there will be tutorials on the new 802.21 study groups
2. Currently in sponsor ballot, now at 83% approval.
3. Will have an ad-hoc meeting in February 2008 and hope to complete their work in March 2008.
4. Issue with TGu document reference within the IEEE 802.21 document, as the TGu document is currently only in draft LB stage. Some of the text may have to be moved to an informative annex. Any questions about this should be forwarded to the TGu chair, Stephen McCann.
5. Also working with 3GPP, IETF MIPSHOP and the ITU-R (IMT-A)
6. Q: As DVB (Digital Video Broadcast) is a broadcast technology, why is this a candidate for handover?
7. A: There is a DVB-RCT variant, which means it has a return channel terrestrial (RCT) and hence it’s a suitable candidate for handover.
4. Bluetooth SIG
1. No response, 2nd call
2. At the next call, this will be removed.
5. Wi-Fi Alliance (11-08-0149r0)
1. Andrew Myles (Wi-Fi Alliance Chair)
2. This presentation summarizes activities within 2007 and shows how the industry is still growing, together with the introduction of the IEEE 802.11n D2.0 certification.
3. Wi-Fi is still growing, especially regarding the brand name recognition amongst the general public.
4. In the near future Wi-Fi will start to look at 11k and 11r, together with VHT and 11v.
6. IETF (11-08-0144r0)
7. HOKEY (handover keying) looking at EAP re-authentication. Comments from 802.11 are welcome
8. CAPWAP: Current no outstanding issues with them
9. EMU: Exchanging issues with TGu
10. RADEXT: RADIUS extension group
11. ECRIT: Next SDO workshop is scheduled for April 2008.
12. Next IETF meeting March 2008 in Philadelphia
13. ISO JTC1/SC 6
1. A ballot closed 2 months ago about collaboration between IEEE 802.11 and these groups. There was a plan to have a comment resolution meeting in London. However IEEE HQ and JTC1 initially wanted to cancel this, but due to various country objections the meeting will now continue.
2. Q: I understand that IEEE forgot to ask the IEEE stakeholders about this.
3. A: I’m not sure, as I have not seen any correspondence on this.
14. TIA
1. 3rd call, so therefore removed.
20. New Business
1. TGy Current Progress Discussion (11-08-0123r0)
1. Currently in the middle of a sponsor ballot, so that the timeline is currently in flux.
2. There should be a draft D8.0 which will be re-circulated at some point.
3. They wanted to schedule an ad hoc in February, but this does not give the required 30 days notice. Hence their motion to do this is out of order.
4. Additionally the motion about the formation of the comment resolution committee is also out of order.
5. Hence these motions will not be brought forward into this WG.
6. TGy has finished the IEEE 802.11 LB process and now start the Sponsor Ballot (SB) process. After consulting the P&Ps, it has been determined that the SB can be a lot faster than the IEEE 802.11 LB process. Basically this is because a lot of progress can be made in teleconferences. Hence by March 2008, a lot of work will have been done and will be able to go to conditional approval. Indeed at every subsequent plenary (until the work is complete), TGy will ask for conditional approval.
7. The WG chair and TGy chair believe that this is a more efficient process and should speed things up at the sponsor ballot stage.
21. Joint Interchange: Co-existence issues for single channel wireless mesh (11-08-0075r0)
1. This presentation is based on some discussions that have come out of IEEE 802.11s.
2. Q: I did not realize that a single channel mesh could have such a problem. So, therefore what is the potential of this being actually deployed?
3. A: This is a serious problem, if you don’t face it. A single channel mesh can be fixed with a simple solution. For example a residential mesh would be a good scenario and therefore it could be a very popular system.
4. Q: So, in the consumer space, this could be a problem.
5. Q: Regarding the express reservation mechanism, it looks similar to the reservation system which is in the base standard.
6. A: No, it is different. It does not resemble RTS. This system does not send any new frames, whereas with RTS you have to. In slow channels, you do get a gain with RTS, but with fast channels like 11a and 11g, this does not work. It is highly dependant upon the size of frame that you use.
7. Straw poll:
8. There can be serious co-existence issues between wireless MESH and nearby WLANs operating on the same channel, which must be addressed.
9. Yes: 42
10. No: 0
11. I would like to invite you along to the next TGs session to take this further.
22. Any Other Business
1. None
2. Meeting recessed at 12:02 HZT
Friday, 18th January 2008
IEEE 802.11 Closing Plenary
Call to order at 08:08 HTZ by Stuart J. Kerry (NXP Semiconductors). Late start due to audio visual problems.
23. Announcements
1. 95 people in the room.
24. Agenda (11-07-2884r4)
1. Chair explained the changes from r4, which is basically changing the order of TGs and TGv.
2. No objection to approving the revised agenda.
25. Patents
1. Please note that this meeting is still operating under Monday’s IEEE P&P rules
2. Call for Essential Patents.
3. No items raised.
26. Announcements
1. Chair’s reports
1. Please be aware of the Chair’s schedule for the WG in documents 11-08-2884r4 and 11-08-0180r0
2. LB voting
1. Please remember that you must vote on all working group letter ballots, not jut the TG/SG group you are working in.
3. VTS Joint Meeting
1. IEEE 802.1 will have a joint meeting with IEEE 802.11 VTS to discuss this activity. The venue is Los Gatos, CA, USA.
27. P&P
1. No updates received this time.
2. Please email Al Petrick (Vice-chair) if anyone has any comments.
28. Attendance Server
1. Vice-chair: We have now been using the new document server for 1 year and it appears to be ok.
2. The new attendance server appears to be working very well indeed, although there were a couple of issues last Monday. Christiana Sahr from IEEE did an excellent job and her attendance here this week, was greatly appreciated.
3. Please remember to check your affiliation on the system, as some of them have not been filled out correctly.
29. WG Reports
1. Publicity
1. Nothing this week.
2. Timelines
1. The secretary presented the updated timeline chart, which was updated on Thursday evening and is now live on the website. There are three minor changes this meeting.
3. Technical editor (11-08-0179r1)
1. Two editorial positions are open, TGs and TGz. If you wish to volunteer for this, please make yourself known to the WG chair or vice-chairs.
30. Session Location
1. Straw Poll: Do you like this location and would want to come back
2. For: majority of those present, Against: 10
31. WG Committee Reports
1. WNG SC (11-08-0201r1)
1. 2 presentations this week
2. No questions for WNG
3. Note: Please use the new templates for presentations. The IEEE disclaimer should be removed
2. TGk (11-08-0196r0)
1. Re-circulation ballot comment resolution no.3, which does not finish until today 13:00 local time.
2. This week was basically preparing for the next re-circulation.
3. No questions for TGk
3. TGn (11-08-0171r0)
1. In comment resolution this week, as a series of ad hoc groups.
2. Together with last week’s ad hoc and this week’s work, a lot of comments have been resolved.
3. There are 2 comments regarding missing LoAs from a certain company involved within TGn. The current resolution is that this issue has been forwarded to PatCom and is awaiting a reply. Hence it is felt that TGn has followed the correct procedure. Further guidance is now being awaited. But these 2 comments are not closed and cannot currently be dealt with.
4. Chair: As of 08:32, I have received an email from Paul Nikolich, which now explains some upcoming rule changes. Items 9, 10 and 17 refer to PatCom issues.
5. These IEEE-SA bylaws and operational procedure have now been forwarded to the IEEE 802.11 mailing reflector.
6. Hence there may be 2 un-resolved comments at the March 2008 meeting, before TGn goes to another letter ballot.
7. No questions for TGn
4. TGp (11-08-0195r0)
1. TGp D3.03 is now ready at the end of this meeting. Nearly all comments have been resolved, but the group is not going to letter ballot this time.
2. The TGp chair has announced that he now wishes to retire, once a suitable replacement has been found.
3. No questions for TGp
5. TGr (11-08-0198r0)
1. Very similar position to TGk, current awaiting the end of sponsor ballot at 13:00 local time today.
2. All outstanding comments have been addressed this week. Hence there are two paths forward, from this meeting, depending if any more comments arrive by 13:00.
3. No questions for TGr
6. TGs (11-08-0169r0)
1. All comments resolved this week.
2. No questions for TGs
7. TGT (11-08-0062r0)
1. Q: I noticed that you completed about 70 comments this week. When do you think you will go to your next ballot?
2. A: Probably in May 2008.
3. Q: How many people are in the teleconferences
4. A: From 4 – 7 people.
5. Q: I’ve noted that there are only 2 digits for the document revision field. What happens when we get to 99?
6. Chair: Best thing is to create a new document number.
8. TGu (11-08-0194r0)
1. No questions for TGu
9. TGv (11-08-0197r0)
1. Comment LB resolutions this week and hope to go out for a new LB.
2. In March 2008, TGv will re-consider a PAR extension.
3. No questions for TGv
10. Chair: At this point, I would like to thank Nancy Cam-Winget for standing in for Terry Cole this week.
11. TGw (11-08-0091r2)
1. The comments from LB 177 have been resolved this week. Hence now hope to go out to re-circulation this week.
2. No questions for TGw
12. TGz (11-08-0177r0)
1. Chair: The TGz chair who is away, thanks Harry, by email, for chairing the meeting this week.
2. No questions for TGz
13. VHT SG (11-08-0191r0)
1. 5 Presentations, including an update of usage models from the Wi-Fi Alliance (WFA). This has been very useful and may thanks to WFA for this.
2. No questions for VHT
14. VTS SG (11-08-0187r0)
1. Chair: Please remember that you will also need to extend the study group in March 2008, in addition to any potential PAR and 5 Criteria issues.
2. No questions for VTS
15. IMT-Advanced Ad Hoc (11-08-0172r0)
1. Chair: I assume that the next WRC is WRC 2011.
2. A: Yes
32. Working Group Motions
1. Teleconference motion
1. Q: A change is required for TGw. A change is required to the 5th March 2008 meeting.
2. Q: These are changed teleconferences, which are in addition to those approved in November 2007.
3. Move to empower the following IEEE 802.11 TG(s)/SG(s)/Ad-Hoc(s) to hold teleconference calls beginning no sooner than January 27, 2008 through 15 days past the end of the March 2008 Plenary Session in addition to the teleconferences scheduled in November 2007.
4. Moved: Harry Worstell, Second: Stephen McCann
5. Approved by unanimous consent
2. TGs procedural letter ballot
1. Moved, to authorize a 15-Day Procedural Letter Ballot to approve sending 802.11s Draft D2.0 to 30-Day Letter Ballot asking the question “Should 802.11s Draft 2.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?”
2. Moved on behalf of the TG
3. For 71, Against 0, Abstain 2 (Motion passes 100%)
3. TGs Ad-Hoc
1. Note: The location will be in North America
2. Moved, to approve a TGs ad hoc meeting April 7-9, 2008, at a location to be determined in North America for the purpose of comment resolution.
3. Moved on behalf of the TG
4. Approved by unanimous consent
4. TGv procedural letter ballot
1. Move to request the 802.11 WG chair to conduct a 15-day confirmation ballot on D1.04, and to request the 802.11 Working Group to renumber TGv Draft D1.04, if the confirmation ballot succeeds, as D2.0 and authorize a 30-day Letter Ballot asking the question “Should 802.11v Draft 2.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?”
2. Moved on behalf of the TG
3. For 71, Against 0, Abstain 3 (motion passes 100%)
5. TGn Ad-Hoc
1. Request authorization for TGn to hold an ad hoc for the purpose of resolving comments received during LB115 on Draft 3.0. March 12,13,14 2008 (Wed, Thu, Fri) in Orlando, FL, US with the venue of choice being the 802 Plenary conference hotel (Caribe Royale)
2. Moved on behalf of TG.
3. Approved by unanimous consent
6. TGr comment resolution approval
1. Move to approve the contents of 11-08-0183-00-000r-d9-comments.xls as the comment resolutions for Recirculation Sponsor Ballot of IEEE 802.11r Draft 9.0
2. Moved on behalf of CRC (comment resolution committee)
3. For 65, Against 0, Abstain 3 (motion passes 100%)
7. TGr procedural letter ballot
1. Authorize a 15 day WG procedural ballot to approve the comment resolution spreadsheet as the comment resolutions for Recirculation Sponsor Ballot of IEEE 802.11r Draft 9.0 if required.
2. Moved on behalf of CRC
3. Q: This motion asks me to approve a document which does not yet exist
4. A: The document will exist as part of the 15 day procedural letter ballot.
5. For 56, Against 2, Abstain 8 (motion passes 97%)
8. TGu procedural letter ballot
1. Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from LB107 on Draft 1.0 and instructed the 802.11u editor to create Draft 2.0, approve a 15-day WG Letter Ballot asking the procedural question “Should 802.11u Draft 2.0 be forwarded to WG Letter Ballot?” If successful, then begin as soon as possible, a 30 day Working Group Letter Ballot asking the technical question “Should 802.11u Draft 2.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?”
2. moved on behalf of TG
3. For 63, Against 0, Abstain 2 (motion passes 100%)
9. TGu liaison letter
1. Move to approve liaison document 11-08-0189r1 and request the IEEE 802.11 WG chair to forward it to 3GPP SA2.
2. Moved by: Stephen McCann, Seconded: Harry Worstell
3. Move by Stephen McCann, Seconded Harry Worstell
4. For 54, Against 0, Abstain 2 (motion passes 100%)
10. TGw re-circulation letter ballot
1. Motion: Believing that all the conditions for a recirculation of P802.11w have been satisfied, to request the 802.11 Working Group authorize a 15-day Working Group Recirculation Ballot on P802.11w D5.0
2. Move on behalf of TG.
3. For 64, Against 0, Abstain 3 (motion passes 100%)
11. VTS PAR & 5Criteria
1. Please note: There are still changes to be made to the PAR scope and there are some spelling mistakes.
2. This is also a joint meeting with IEEE 802.1 at the end of the month.
3. Also due to lack of Quorum here, it will have to be re-approved at the March 2008 meeting. However, it is more convenient for the ExCom agenda for it to be brought to the floor today.
4. Q: Do you need a motion to get this item on the ExCom agenda for March?
5. Chair: Yes, this is what 802.1 and 802.3 normally do.
6. C: I’m opposed to doing this at the moment, as the VTS has included some text by reference from 802.1. Since these 802.1 activities are still in work, it means that the PAR references are not stable. I’m concerned about video streaming and mobility which may be mutually exclusive. I think we really need stable information in the PAR before proceeding.
7. C: Can the chair put this item on the ExCom agenda, as opposed to this WG motion.
8. WG Chair: No, it should be the WG chair. These are basically un-written traditional rules.
9. C: I also speak against the PAR, as there are upper layer indications which I believe some of the items are out of scope of IEEE 802.11.
10. C: Although I understand that this motion is basically a place holder for the ExCom meeting, be careful as they will not appreciate any changes within the 30 day timing.
11. C: I would like to ask for confirmation, that ExCom can make comments up to 5pm on the Tuesday in the March 2008 meeting. Hence if VTS meet on the Wednesday AM 1 slot, they can make changes prior to the mid-week plenary, which can then be approved at the working group level.
12. C: This motion anticipates an event which has not occurred yet, but also that the PAR and 5Criteria ay change. However, this motion is trying to show that co-ordination is occurring between 802.1 and 802.11 VTS.
13. Chair: Indeed ExCom have encouraged this.
14. C: Currently there is not quorum in the room. If we take a vote in the room now, we may make a decision, which can not be reversed.
15. Chair: Is this indeed no quorum in the room at the moment.
16. C: In the PAR, there is a requirement to interwork with 802.1 and I think that it is a good thing that those references are not stable, as it gives both groups opportunities to evolve and develop their work.
17. C: I think this PAR is still contentious, so may I ask the WG chair to have discussion time during the March 2008 opening plenary.
18. C: One of the reasons for doing this, is that you are showing the support levels for this PAR, which is then recorded and indeed ExCom will see this result.
19. Move to approve PAR/5C as specified in document 07-1972/r11.
20. Moved on behalf of TG
21. For 39, Against 13, Abstain 17 (motions passes 75%)
22. This decision has to be re-affirmed at the March 2008 opening plenary.
33. Any Other Buisness
1. None
34. Next Meeting
1. The next meeting (#108) is in the Caribe Royale Suites, Orlando, Florida, USA from March 16th – 21st 2008:
2. The agenda for this meeting will be document 11-08-0180r0.
35. Adjournment
1. The meeting is adjourned without objection at 10:07 HZT.
Annex A : Attendance & Affiliation
|IEEE 802.11 JANUARY 2008 (TAIPEI) PARTICIPANTS |
|Last Name |First Name |Middle Name |Affiliation |
|Aboul-magd |Osama | |Nortel Networks |
|Adachi |Tomoko | |Toshiba Corporation |
|Andrus |David | |Apple, Inc. |
|Armstrong |Lee |R |US Dot |
|Ashley |Alex | |NDS Ltd |
|Astrin |Arthur |W |Astrin Radio |
|Audeh |Malik | |Tropos Networks |
|Azogui |Tal | |Wilocity |
|Bagby |David | |Calypso Ventures, Inc. |
|Bajko |Gabor | |Nokia Corporation |
|Barr |John | |Motorola Inc |
|Basson |Gal | |Wilocity |
|Baykas |Tuncer | |NICT |
|Benveniste |Mathilde | |Avaya |
|Bjerke |Bjorn |A |Qualcomm, Inc. |
|Blanchard |Colin | |BT Group |
|Braskich |Anthony | |Motorola Inc |
|Bumiller |G | |Research In Motion |
|Buttar |Alistair | |Motorola |
|Cam-Winget |Nancy | |Cisco Systems, Inc. |
|Canpolat |Necati | |Intel |
|Chan |Douglas |S |Cisco Systems |
|Chaplin |Clint | |Samsung Electronics |
|Cheng |Ray-Guang | |National Taiwan University of Science and Technology |
|Choi |Nakjung | |Seoul National University |
|Chu |Fred |Tze-Yu |ADTRAN Inc. |
|Cooklev |Todor |V |Hitachi America Ltd. |
|De Courville |Marc | |Motorola Inc |
|Denteneer |Theodorus | |Philips |
|de Vegt |Rolf | |QUALCOMM, Inc. |
|Harkins |David | |Aruba Networks |
|Doi |Yoshiharu | |SANYO Electric |
|Durand |Roger |P |Research In Motion |
|Duserre |Anne-Sophie | |France Telecom - Orange |
|Duvvuri |Srinivasa | |atheros communications |
|Eastlake |Donald | |Motorola Inc |
|Ecclesine |Peter | |Cisco Systems |
|Einolf |Charles | |CBS/NABA |
|Engwer |Darwin | |Nortel Networks |
|Epstein |Joseph | |Meru Networks |
|Erceg |Vinko | |Broadcom |
|Eun |Changsoo | |Chungnam National University |
|Fanfelle |Robert | |Marvell |
|Feinberg |Paul | |Sony Electronics Inc. |
|Fischer |Matthew | |Broadcom |
|Fisher |Wayne |K |ARINC, Inc. |
|Frederiks |Guido | |Qualcomm |
|Fujii |Takeo | |The Univerisity of Electro-Communications |
|Fujinami |Makoto | |NEC Corporation |
|Gast |Matthew | |Trapeze Networks |
|Gloger |Reinhard | |Nokia Siemens Networks |
|Gong |Michelle | |Intel |
|Guo |Jianlin | |Mitsubishi Electric Research Lab |
|Gupta |Pratibha | |Atheros Communications |
|Hansen |C | |Broadcom |
|Hart |Brian |D |Cisco Systems |
|Hassan |Amer | |National Communications System |
|Hassel |Vegard | |Telenor |
|Hattig |Myron | |Intel |
|Hiertz |Guido | |Philips |
|Huang |Robert |Y |Sony Electronics |
|Huh |Jiyoung | |LG Electronics |
|Hunter |David | |Panasonic |
|Inoue |Yasuhiko | |NTT |
|Jalfon |Marc | |Intel |
|Jeong |Moo |Ryong |NTT DoCoMo |
|Ji |Lusheng | |AT&T |
|Jiang |Daniel | |CAMP |
|Jokela |Jari | |Nokia |
|Kafle |Padam | |Nokia |
|Kakani |Naveen | |Nokia |
|Kennedy |Richard |H |ETS-Lindgren |
|Kenney |John | |VSC2 |
|Kerry |Stuart |J |NXP Semiconductors |
|Kim |Eunkyo | |LG Electronics |
|Kim |Joonsuk | |Broadcom |
|Kim |Kyeongpyo | |ETRI |
|Kim |Seokho | |Inha Univ. |
|Kim |Yongsun | |ETRI |
|Kneckt |Jarkko | |Nokia Corporation |
|Kobayashi |Mark | |Broadcom Corp |
|Kraemer |Bruce | |Marvell |
|Kruys |Johannes | |Cisco Systems, Inc. |
|Kuehnel |Thomas | |Microsoft |
|Kurihara |Thomas | |TKstds Management |
|Kwak |Joseph | |InterDigital |
|Lee |HsinYi | |Ralink Tech. |
|Lee |Jae |Yong |Chungnam National University |
|Lee |Wooyong | |ETRI |
|Li |Jun | |Thomson Inc. |
|Lin |Paul | |Ralink Technology Corp. |
|Livshitz |Michael | |Metalink |
|Loc |Peter | |Marvell Semiconductor |
|Low |Andy |Lock Yen |British Telecommunications plc |
|Ma |Xiao-jun | |Thomson |
|Marin |Janne | |Nokia Corporation |
|McCann |Stephen | |Nokia Siemens Networks |
|Merrill |Mark |G |NETGEAR |
|Mesecke |Sven | |Buffalo |
|Meylemans |Marc | |Intel |
|Montemurro |Michael | |Research in Motion |
|Moorti |Rajendra | |Broadcom Corp |
|Morioka |Yuichi | |Sony Corporation |
|Munaka |Tatsuji | |Mitsubishi Electric Corporation |
|Myles |Andrew | |Cisco |
|Nabar |Rohit | |Marvell Semiconductor |
|nagata |kengo | |NTT |
|Nakamura |Tetsuya | |NTT |
|Ngo |Chiu | |Samsung |
|Nikula |Eero | |Nokia Corporation |
|Noens |Richard | |Motorola |
|Odagiri |Hideaki | |Oki Network LSI Co.,Ltd. |
|Oyama |Satoshi | |Hitachi |
|Paine |Richard | |Boeing |
|Park |Minyoung | |Intel |
|Perahia |Eldad | |Intel Corporation |
|Ptasinski |Henry |S |Broadcom |
|Qi |Emily |H |Intel |
|Qian |Lu | |Cisco Systems, Inc. |
|Rai |Vinuth | |VSC-2 |
|Razoumov |Leonid | |AT&T |
|Rosdahl |Jon | |CSR |
|Roy |Richard | |Connexis |
|Sadri |Ali | |Intel |
|Sahr |Christina | |IEEE |
|Sakaguchi |Kei | |Tokyo Institute of Technology |
|Sakoda |Kazuyuki | |Sony Corporation |
|Sarikaya |Behcet | |Huawei Technologies USA |
|Schultz |Don | |Boeing |
|Seok |Yongho | |LG Electronics |
|Sharma |Neeraj | |Intel |
|Sherlock |Ian | |Texas Instruments |
|Shimada |Shusaku | |Yokogawa Co, |
|Smith |Matt | |Atheros Communications, Inc. |
|Sood |Kapil | |Intel |
|Stanley |Dorothy | |Aruba Networks |
|Stephens |Adrian |P |Intel Corporation Ltd |
|Stephenson |David |S |Cisco Systems, Inc. |
|Strutt |Guenael | |Motorola Inc |
|Su |Chi-Lin | |Atheros |
|Suzuki |Hideyuki | |Sony Corporation |
|Takagi |Eiji | |Qualcomm |
|Tan |Teik-Kheong | |GCT Semiconductor |
|Thomson |Allan | |Cisco Systems, Inc. |
|Tokubo |Eric | |Motorola Inc |
|Tolpin |Alexander | |Intel |
|Trachewsky | | |Broadcom Corporation |
|Umehira |Masahiro | |Ibaraki University |
|Van Bokhorst |Ruud | |Philips Electronics |
|Van Zelst |Allert | |Qualcomm |
|Varlet-Andre |Mathieu | |BT Group PLC |
|Varshney |Prabodh | |Nokia |
|Venkatesan |Ganesh | |Intel Corporation |
|Victor |Dalton | |Broadcom |
|Vlantis |George | |STMicroelectronics |
|Walker |Jesse | |Intel Corporation |
|Wang |Qi | |Broadcom Corporation |
|Watanabe |Fujio | |NTT DoCoMo |
|Wei |Hung-Yu | |National Taiwan University |
|Worstell |Harry | |AT&T |
|Yamamoto |Takeshi | |NEC |
|Yamaura |Tomoya | |Sony Corporation |
|Yang |Sihoon | |LG Electronics |
|Zorn |Glen | |Aruba Networks |
|Zweig |Jonathan |M |Apple Computer, Inc. |
Annex B : Working Group Officers
|Name |Position |Phone, eMAIL & Affiliation |
|Stuart J. |IEEE 802.11 Working Group (WG) Chair |NXP Semiconductors |
|Kerry | | |
| |Mail: |c/o: NXP Semiconductors, |Phone: |
| | |1109 McKay Drive, M/S 48A SJ, | |
| | |San Jose, CA 95131-1706, | |
| | |United States of America | |
|Al |WORKING GROUP - 1st Vice-Chair / Treasurer |Jones-Petrick & Associates |
|Petrick | | |
| |Policies & Treasury |+1 (321) 235-3269 |
| | |al@ |
|Harry R. |WORKING GROUP - 2nd Vice-Chair |AT&T Labs, Inc. |
|Worstell | | |
| |Attendance, Ballots, Documentation & Voting |+1 (973) 236-6915 |
| | |hworstell@research. |
|Stephen |WORKING GROUP - Secretary & Publicity |Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH & Co. KG |
|McCann | | |
| |Minutes, Reports, & Communications |+44 (1794) 833341 |
| | |stephen.mccann@roke.co.uk |
|Terry |WORKING GROUP - Technical Editor |Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. |
|Cole | | |
| |Standard & Amendment(s) Coordination | |
| |WORKING GROUP - ANA LEAD |+1 (512) 602-2454 |
| |802.11 Assigned Numbers Authority |terry.cole@ |
|Name |Position |Phone, eMAIL & Affiliation |
|Teik-Kheong |WNG Standing Committee - Chair |GCT Semiconductor, Inc. |
|"TK" | | |
|Tan | | |
| |Wireless Next Generations |+1 (408) 480-0431 |
| | |tktan@ |
|Name |Position |Phone, eMAIL & Affiliation |
|Richard H. |Task Group K - Chair |The Boeing Company |
|Paine | | |
| |Radio Resource Measurements |+1 (206) 854-8199 |
| |(802.11k Amendment) | |
| | |richard.h.paine@ |
|Al |Task Group MB - Chair (TEMPORARY) |Jones-Petrick & Associates |
|Petrick | | |
| |802.11 Accumulated Maintenance Changes |+1 (321) 235-3269 |
| | |al@ |
|Bruce P. |Task Group N - Chair |Marvell Semiconductor, Inc. |
|Kraemer | | |
| |High Throughput |+1 (321) 427-4098 |
| |(802.11n Amendment) | |
| | |bkraemer@ |
|Sheung |Task Group N - VICE-Chair |SiBEAM, Inc. |
|Li | | |
| |High Throughput |+1 (408) 245-3120 |
| |(802.11n Amendment) | |
| | |sli@ |
|Lee |TASK GROUP P - Chair |US Department of Transportation |
|Armstrong | | |
| |Wireless Access for the Vehicular Environment |+1 (617) 620-1701 |
| |(802.11p Amendment) | |
| | |LRA@ |
|Clint |Task Group R - Chair |Samsung |
|Chaplin | | |
| |Fast Roaming |+1 (408) 239-3348 |
| |(802.11r Amendment) | |
| | |clint.chaplin@ |
|Donald E. |Task Group S - Chair |Motorola, Inc. |
|Eastlake 3rd | | |
| |Mesh Networking |+1 (508) 786-7554 |
| |(802.11s Amendment) | |
| | |donald.eastlake@ |
|NEERAJ SHARMA |Task Group T - Chair |Intel Corporation |
| |Wireless Performance |+1 (503) 712-7458 |
| |(802.11.2 Recommended Practice) | |
| | |neeraj.k.sharma@ |
|Stephen |TASK GROUP u - Chair |Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH & Co. KG |
|McCann | | |
| |InterWorking with External Networks |+44 (1794) 833341 |
| |(802.11u Amendment) | |
| | |stephen.mccann@roke.co.uk |
|DOROTHY v. |TASK GROUP V - Chair |Aruba Networks |
|sTANLEY | | |
| |Wireless Network Management |+1 (630) 836-9734 |
| |(802.11v Amendment) | |
| | |dstanley@ |
|JESSE WALKER |TASK GROUP w - Chair |Intel Corporation |
| |Protected Management Frames |+1 (503) 712-1849 |
| |(802.11w Amendment) | |
| | |jesse.walker@ |
|PETER ECCLESINE|TASK GROUP Y - Chair |Cisco Systems, Inc. |
| |3650-3700 MHz Operation in USA |+1 (408) 527-0815 |
| |(802.11y Amendment) | |
| | |petere@ |
|MENZO WENTINK |TASK GROUP Z - Chair |Conexant Netherlands BV |
| |Direct Link Setup |+31 65 183 6231 |
| |(802.11z Amendment) | |
| | |menzow@ |
|Name |Position |Phone, eMAIL & Affiliation |
|ELDAD PERAHIA |VHT SG - Chair |Intel Corporation |
| |802.11 Very High Throughput |+1 (503) 712-8081 |
| | |eldad.perahia@ |
|GANESH |VTS SG - CHAIR |Intel Corporation |
|VENKATESAN | | |
| |802.11 Video Transport Streams |+1 (503) 264-0637 |
| | |ganesh.venkatesan@ |
Annex C : Minutes
This Annex contains references to all IEEE 802.11 SC/TG/SG & Ad Hoc group (AHG) minutes from this meeting. Please note that they are NOT subject to the approval of these minutes, but are confirmed and approved by their individual group in the opening meeting at their next session.
|WG |TE |08-0202r0 |
|WNG SC |SCC |08-0122r0 |
|TGK |TGC |08-0192r0 |
|TGMB |TGC |n/a |
|TGN |TGC |08-0090r0 |
|TGP |TGC |08-0193r0 |
|TGR |TGC |08-0101r0 |
|TGS |TGC |08-0170r1 |
|TGT |TGC |08-0126r0 |
|TGU |TGC |08-0095r0 |
|TGV |TGC |08-0214r0 |
|TGW |TGC |08-0097r0 |
|TGY |TGC |08-0099r0 |
|TGZ |TGC |08-0185r0 |
|VHT SG |SGC |08-0199r0 |
|VTS SG |SGC |08-0200r0 |
|IMT AHC |AHG |08-0174r0 |
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Abstract
This document constitutes the tentative minutes of the IEEE 802.11 full working group for the January 2008, Taipei, Taiwan meeting.
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