Alert: This is a formal class on principals underlying …
Alert: This is a formal class on principals underlying the Torah as found in the classic text, Derech Hashem. Questions should be related to the text - limit to 30 seconds each Class is each Wednesday nights at 9pm eastern.
BEHANU: hi
YehoshuaBA: hi
BEHANU: we be on in a bit
YehoshuaBA: ok
janice64: shalom
janice64: is there going to be a teaching tonight
YehoshuaBA: planning on it
janice64: ty
YehoshuaBA: shalom
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YehoshuaBA: class should be starting soon
YehoshuaBA: shalom sue
YehoshuaBA: there she is
KosherSue: shalom!
Isibel: Shalom
Isibel: Just getting started
Isibel: Sick child [pic]
Isibel: Doing ok
tstudy84: shalom all
troy_gs: 1
KosherSue: 1
Strider_100: 1
Strider_100: shalom guys
SHeMABruce: lol
SHeMABruce: i want some somoans? or mints
SHeMABruce: the ones with coconut
SHeMABruce: love them
YehoshuaBA: ---
luminous_spirit: right on time [pic] shalom everyone
sharonah: goodevening all
janice64: shalom luminous
luminous_spirit: shalom janice (from one to another) [pic]
janice64: hey sharonah
troy_gs: [pic]
The Bear Jew: gthe only israel on the earth today is the jewish people
DoublEdgedSword: Define Israel.
The Bear Jew: the children of Avraham itzak and yakov
SHeMABruce: please don't be lured into conflict. [pic]
jeffisdaname: FIGURES STRIDER IS IN THE XTIAN SECTION
David_42: this is a class. please keep the discussions to the text.
DoublEdgedSword: Define Israel correctly you will then begin to see who is Israel.
The Bear Jew: only the jews survive of israel
The Bear Jew: the other tribes are LOST
DoublEdgedSword: God easily defines Israel in scripture.
Taz_Aharon: double is christian who comes into rooms to disrupt
The Bear Jew: he who fights with hashem
janice64: is lost i.e. disobeying G-d?
luminous_spirit: please be respectful.. do not distract from the live teaching
DoublEdgedSword: Taz, Israel: one that wresles with God and man and overcomes. Yes, a Christian to distrupt this world to show more of who God is.
Taz_Aharon: doubledged, this is a study room, not a christian preaching room
The Bear Jew: what is the topic please?
Taz_Aharon: thanks
luminous_spirit: listen
SHeMABruce: Derech Hashem
David_42: Derech Hashem
DoublEdgedSword: and I just taught you something.
SHeMABruce: By Moshe Chaim Luzzatto
The Bear Jew: why are we studying the teaching of chabab is the christian section?
The Bear Jew: chabab is a unbelieving cult
Taz_Aharon: double, the only thing you have taught is that you cannot read. This is Derech Hashem study
Alert: The Bear Jew reddotted by: David_42
luminous_spirit: "we" are studying.. "you" are distrupting our study
David_42: Chabad follows HaShem.
DoublEdgedSword: Maybe you can not read: SECTION: Christianity.
The Bear Jew: chabab denies moshiach yeshua and has no place in this section
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SHeMABruce: We are learning how to follow christ. Christ as 100 percent pro-torah; thus, studying this makes us more christlike. (at least that's my purpose)
David_42: we are not Chabad
luminous_spirit: [pic]
DoublEdgedSword: As the Word became flesh, we are suppose to take out flesh and exchange it to the Word of
DoublEdgedSword: God
SHeMABruce: someone needs to do Bear and doubledged
SHeMABruce: dot
SHeMABruce: sorry
SHeMABruce: oops
luminous_spirit: lol
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luminous_spirit: finally
Taz_Aharon: double, no one here cares about your opinion
Taz_Aharon: this is a study
hebrewtorah: im fascinated by women teachers!
hebrewtorah: some teach better than men
SHeMABruce: i'm facinated by women.
The Bear Jew: new flash menachem schneersomn is still in sheol nbut yeshua is risien
hebrewtorah: lol bruce
hebrewtorah: lol
luminous_spirit: lolol
David_42: The Bear Jew was bounced from the room by David_42. If you want to learn more about the rules for this room, read the room rules on the groups page or contact the owner: BEHANU
luminous_spirit: we are an enigma.. or so i've heard [pic]
SHeMABruce: good bounce.
troy_gs: [pic]
SHeMABruce: so true
janice64: is there a spirituality connected to the sense of smell
SHeMABruce: only if it smells like pizza
a jackass for Bilaam: yes the sense of smell is the sense most closely related to memory
luminous_spirit: lol
hebrewtorah: the pizza MUST be kosher hahaha
Taz_Aharon: im suprized doubledged is still here
Taz_Aharon: lol
David_42: we can let him listen
a jackass for Bilaam: this is why we smell spices at the end of shabbat
SHeMABruce: good point: (effort is rewarded) odd how so many don't seem to see the obvious truth there.
Taz_Aharon: wha?
a jackass for Bilaam: at havdallah
Taz_Aharon: mishnah and gerama is not torah
Taz_Aharon: gemara
janice64: incence was burned twice a day in the temple
hebrewtorah: do those spices "awaken" you from your shabbat?
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Taz_Aharon: dont agree with thart
Taz_Aharon: heh
tstudy84: oh, but i do
janice64: i wonder what G-d thinks when he smells incence
SHeMABruce: He don't have a nose.
luminous_spirit: lol
a jackass for Bilaam: no
shaylee_binne: incense*
Taz_Aharon: there is 1 torah
SHeMABruce: If He does, I don't want to be around when He sneezes.
a jackass for Bilaam: they leave us with the memiry of the sweetness of Shabbat
janice64: the smell of food cooking stimulates the desire to eat
tstudy84: without the oral torah, my understanding of the written torah is flawed
a jackass for Bilaam: all Torah is oral
SHeMABruce: so true isibel
janice64: i wonder what the smell of incense does
a jackass for Bilaam: only certain parts were written down so that they might be left unchangeable
troy_gs: [pic]
luminous_spirit: suggesting that the oral parts are constantly changed?
a jackass for Bilaam: the baraita (oral Torah) is oral and spoken in the vernacular
SHeMABruce: my boss walked in today JUST as I brought up the talmud on the web. OOPS!
tstudy84: maybe it causes to go into a swoon janice
luminous_spirit: lol Bruce
a jackass for Bilaam: so that it might change with the times
luminous_spirit: tsk tsk
a jackass for Bilaam: in application
a jackass for Bilaam: the written Torah is the unchangeable Torah
a jackass for Bilaam: therefore it is written
a jackass for Bilaam: in unchanging form
Taz_Aharon: jackass, you do incline to the majority?
SHeMABruce: actually, I think it is THE loftiest thing a person can do.
a jackass for Bilaam: and what is the majority?
Taz_Aharon: well ask the talmud
luminous_spirit: i totally agree Isibel
SHeMABruce: good stuff isibel
luminous_spirit: loft.. i could use one of those.. a private fort of sorts lol
a jackass for Bilaam: when one lives in a community he must follow the community rule
Taz_Aharon: the torah says not to incline after the majority, and the talmud tell you to incline after the majority, which ones do you follow jackass?
a jackass for Bilaam: whether one agrees is irellevant, if he wishes to remain in the community
tstudy84: it is speaking about sinning with the majority Taz
Taz_Aharon: no
a jackass for Bilaam: he must abide by the community rule
Taz_Aharon: it does not
janice64: bilaam that sounds like a cult
a jackass for Bilaam: if he wishes to leave the community, then the community rule no longer applies to him
a jackass for Bilaam: he has excommunicated himself
a jackass for Bilaam: it is common sense for a lawful citizen of any nation
a jackass for Bilaam: regardless of the nation or community
a jackass for Bilaam: he who rebels is a criminal
SHeMABruce: yes
SHeMABruce: and yet people still won't read it
janice64: bilaam what if the nation tells a citizen to sin
a jackass for Bilaam: if he leaves and goes to another community he is expected to follow their rules as well
SHeMABruce: the blessing of readily available Scriptural knowledge is SOOOO much of a blessing
SHeMABruce: we are spoiled by God
tstudy84: spoiled rotten bruce
SHeMABruce: i am. i know it
a jackass for Bilaam: then if one violates his scruples he should leave
a jackass for Bilaam: no one will make him remain
a jackass for Bilaam: but most often it is simply the arrogance of the individual that refuses to obey any law that does not suit his/her fancy
SHeMABruce: right. the matrix
SHeMABruce: Until recent history, there was too little available for the common man to fight about Now, sadly, God has poured out knowledge upon us and what do we do with it? Fight.
a jackass for Bilaam: very few sinners believe themselves to be so
a jackass for Bilaam: the Torah is not a democratic writ it is the commands of a sovereign Master to those whom He owns
a jackass for Bilaam: subjects of a kingdom
a jackass for Bilaam: it is not a republic
SHeMABruce: i liked that part of the book
SHeMABruce: emphasis on being serious in studying God's instructions instead of flippantly treating it as common
SHeMABruce: study for the sake of God not for the sake of self
Strider_100: this is a great evil ... a method of the jesuits
Strider_100: aka ... 'the end justifies the means'
Taz_Aharon: keeping mitzvot means nothing if it is not a delight toyou
SHeMABruce: good point
LevEchad: (sorry am late, emergency here)
luminous_spirit: didn't see ya down there Jon, shalom
luminous_spirit: everything ok Lev?
SHeMABruce: difficult to do in today's world
SHeMABruce: a no-fly zone around that guy
tstudy84: lol
LevEchad: hi lumi, yes now whew (later) [pic]
luminous_spirit: [pic]
SHeMABruce: good work, isibel
tstudy84: thank-you Isibel
luminous_spirit: great job as always Isi
luminous_spirit: [pic] thinking.. there's a concept lol
Isibel: thank you very much
Isibel: Yes
troy_gs: isn't the wife supposed to do the cooking and cleaning?
Isibel: Labor saving devices
luminous_spirit: i'd like to know the answer to that one.. i've yet to figure out how to balance everything properly
troy_gs: i have an ipod too
luminous_spirit: troy!! ??
tstudy84: Question Isibel: If a person is sinful, but still studies Torah, even though he may not understand or grasp it, can it still influence or "feed" his soul even if it makes no outward impact on him
luminous_spirit: i missed parts of the teaching due to the ENORMOUS distractions, noise here.. i am unable to comment.. nor could you hear me over the noise here lol
janice64: i think your are to teach your children torah when you rise, when you walk along the way and when you lie down...i don't know we are to talk about torah 24/7 with everyone else
SHeMABruce: We have today, right down the street or on the web, what past generations would literally have died to have.
luminous_spirit: that's so true
SHeMABruce: Personally, I think studying torah ALWAYS has an impact, it just may not be perceptible to the outside observer.
SHeMABruce: i remember that guy
tstudy84: ty isibel
janice64: not all knowledge is good..there is much that should be ignored
tstudy84: bruce's comment is also very good
luminous_spirit: good point Bruce.. and i would add that in MY opinion, if a person is TRULY following Yeshua, and HIS WAYS, that his life will reflect such even while he is learning and growing, little by little
SHeMABruce: but one must have knowledge to know what to ignore, and as one's knowledge grows, what was once ignored may now be embraced.
janice64: i still don't understand why believers study pagan religions
luminous_spirit: amein.. whew
maggieyah: catholic church.....adopted pagan rituas to draw people to their reglion
luminous_spirit: janice: what do you mean? you mean intentionally study pagan religions as a study? or out of interest?
maggieyah: today they are so apart of our lives, society etc..........we are unaware they are pagaon
janice64: either or luminous
maggieyah: tatootes are part of pagon rituals.............today it common place to get tats
SHeMABruce: knowledge of the faith of others - pagan or not - is valueable if they are to be reached by truth.
janice64: i disagree bruce
SHeMABruce: rats. I guess i won't be getting that menorah tat. darnit
luminous_spirit: personally, i don't have time to study as i'd like so i am certainly not going to study anything but torah and the Bible, but learning about other religions and why they believe as they do.. there's many reasons why that could be valuable.. but again.. i prefer to focus on TRUTH
luminous_spirit: wow, Bruce.. ya owe me a coke [pic]
SHeMABruce: it mixes with blood
SHeMABruce: the ink
SHeMABruce: i just figure since Hashem said no, that's the end of the discussion. my simplistic reason
janice64: Exodus 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
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luminous_spirit: now if only some children could adopt your simplicity Bruce
luminous_spirit: lol
SHeMABruce: perhaps because monkeys tatoo one another with the sap of the yolobogagu tree.
janice64: torah says not to even mention the names of other gods therefore why would i study pagan religions
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SHeMABruce: not really. just making it up. there is no yolobogagu tree.
luminous_spirit: lolol
luminous_spirit: i was bout to google that lol
SHeMABruce: just a little levity
SHeMABruce: sorry
LevEchad: lol
SHeMABruce: too little perhaps
LevEchad: lol
luminous_spirit: lol
tstudy84: Is there a connection between eating non-kosher food and strenghtening ("feeding" if you like) the yetzer hara?
SHeMABruce: i think so for sure, tstudy
luminous_spirit: hopefully, one of these days, i can learn and REMEMBER all the hebrew terms
luminous_spirit: and what they mean
SHeMABruce: yolobogagu may be a hebrew term
luminous_spirit: lol
SHeMABruce: but probably ot
SHeMABruce: not
janice64: isibel,,i was a nurse almost 20 yrs..medsurg, pediatrics and oncology
janice64: shema sounds like a recipe
troy_gs: [pic]
SHeMABruce: shemabruce is a recipe for disaster
maggieyah: lol
janice64: true shemabruce
luminous_spirit: 1 part passion, 2 parts ornery?
luminous_spirit: lol
SHeMABruce: i get mad with torah. mad that i found out about so late in my life.
maggieyah: agree with you bruce
janice64: haha
SHeMABruce: seriously. MAD that i was lied to for so long and wasted over half my probable life
tstudy84: i get mad because of some of the weird things i was taught about torah when i was younger
maggieyah: what is book series
tstudy84: example: the torah demands to knock out an eye if you knock out an eye
SHeMABruce: Steinsaltz
luminous_spirit: i think most of us are in that same boat Bruce.. but time is too short to stay mad.. we were lied to and deceived.. praise YHVH we were chosen to be awakened
SHeMABruce: honestly.....i don't feel "chosen" at all
luminous_spirit: well.. neither do i .. honestly.. but we came to the truth for a reason.. i believe
maggieyah: would u perfer tro still be in darkness about this bruce
maggieyah: i thank the Lord ; was not too far in christianity not to see all this
maggieyah: closer to Lord than to christianity
SHeMABruce: no. i'm just not the "choice" worthy of being chosen. I don't feel chosen at all.
tstudy84: Baruch Hashem for the Oral Tradition
luminous_spirit: none of us are a "worthy" choice.. that's the beauty of Hashem's mercy and grace towards us
SHeMABruce: i agree, isibel
maggieyah: Moses did not either
maggieyah: Lord choices interesting people
janice64: G-d took the least of all people and made them the greatest nation i.e. what is the boasting
luminous_spirit: somehow i doubt any of US are interesting enough to G-d ..
luminous_spirit: for that to be the REASON for His choosing any of us
maggieyah: none here are boasting
janice64: there is something wrong with someones ego when he believes he is better then others
luminous_spirit: agreed janice
tstudy84: good speach Isibel
janice64: i wonder if idolatry elevates ones ego
home row: ego is the nearest available idol
luminous_spirit: most likely janice.. as "idols" (other gods) would be under the power of the adversary.. hence that would elevate self and not Hashem
luminous_spirit: true home
janice64: luminous i don't even study other religions
pswjr: hello isibel
luminous_spirit: i gathered that janice
luminous_spirit: nor do i really
pswjr: full room tonight
home row: lev. 10 ch says 3 times that we are not to 'consider the ways' of non torah keepers
luminous_spirit: no time .. i must focus on torah and messiah.. but i would not throw out the idea.. knowledge is good
tstudy84: The Talmud helps you rid youself from the westernized mindset
Isibel: sound?
Isibel: no its me
Isibel: [pic]
David_42: 1
luminous_spirit: i wish i could stay folks but i really MUST do some damage control here haha.. good night to y'all and shalom
luminous_spirit: ty Isibel for the study
Isibel: Shalom luminous, thank you SO much [pic]
luminous_spirit: [pic]
janice64: gn luminous
janice64: most of my biblical studies are from judaism
SHeMABruce: i think luminous had a wild 5 year old running around. lol
Isibel: lol
Isibel: [pic]
janice64: i am selective regarding what i read...some knowledge i don't need to know
SHeMABruce: i appreciate yours and behanu's strenuous efforts isibel. Efforts that are truly for the sake of heaven. gotta go to bed. cya
Isibel: Shalom
LevEchad: tyty Isibel
janice64: ty isibel
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