Alert: This is a formal class on principals underlying …



Alert: This is a formal class on principals underlying the Torah as found in the classic text, Derech Hashem. Questions should be related to the text - limit to 30 seconds each Class is each Wednesday nights at 9pm eastern.

BEHANU: hi

YehoshuaBA: hi

BEHANU: we be on in a bit

YehoshuaBA: ok

janice64: shalom

janice64: is there going to be a teaching tonight

YehoshuaBA: planning on it

janice64: ty

YehoshuaBA: shalom

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YehoshuaBA: class should be starting soon

YehoshuaBA: shalom sue

YehoshuaBA: there she is

KosherSue: shalom!

Isibel: Shalom

Isibel: Just getting started

Isibel: Sick child [pic]

Isibel: Doing ok

tstudy84: shalom all

troy_gs: 1

KosherSue: 1

Strider_100: 1

Strider_100: shalom guys

SHeMABruce: lol

SHeMABruce: i want some somoans? or mints

SHeMABruce: the ones with coconut

SHeMABruce: love them

YehoshuaBA: ---

luminous_spirit: right on time [pic] shalom everyone

sharonah: goodevening all

janice64: shalom luminous

luminous_spirit: shalom janice (from one to another) [pic]

janice64: hey sharonah

troy_gs: [pic]

The Bear Jew: gthe only israel on the earth today is the jewish people

DoublEdgedSword: Define Israel.

The Bear Jew: the children of Avraham itzak and yakov

SHeMABruce: please don't be lured into conflict. [pic]

jeffisdaname: FIGURES STRIDER IS IN THE XTIAN SECTION

David_42: this is a class. please keep the discussions to the text.

DoublEdgedSword: Define Israel correctly you will then begin to see who is Israel.

The Bear Jew: only the jews survive of israel

The Bear Jew: the other tribes are LOST

DoublEdgedSword: God easily defines Israel in scripture.

Taz_Aharon: double is christian who comes into rooms to disrupt

The Bear Jew: he who fights with hashem

janice64: is lost i.e. disobeying G-d?

luminous_spirit: please be respectful.. do not distract from the live teaching

DoublEdgedSword: Taz, Israel: one that wresles with God and man and overcomes. Yes, a Christian to distrupt this world to show more of who God is.

Taz_Aharon: doubledged, this is a study room, not a christian preaching room

The Bear Jew: what is the topic please?

Taz_Aharon: thanks

luminous_spirit: listen

SHeMABruce: Derech Hashem

David_42: Derech Hashem

DoublEdgedSword: and I just taught you something.

SHeMABruce: By Moshe Chaim Luzzatto

The Bear Jew: why are we studying the teaching of chabab is the christian section?

The Bear Jew: chabab is a unbelieving cult

Taz_Aharon: double, the only thing you have taught is that you cannot read. This is Derech Hashem study

Alert: The Bear Jew reddotted by: David_42

luminous_spirit: "we" are studying.. "you" are distrupting our study

David_42: Chabad follows HaShem.

DoublEdgedSword: Maybe you can not read: SECTION: Christianity.

The Bear Jew: chabab denies moshiach yeshua and has no place in this section

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SHeMABruce: We are learning how to follow christ. Christ as 100 percent pro-torah; thus, studying this makes us more christlike. (at least that's my purpose)

David_42: we are not Chabad

luminous_spirit: [pic]

DoublEdgedSword: As the Word became flesh, we are suppose to take out flesh and exchange it to the Word of

DoublEdgedSword: God

SHeMABruce: someone needs to do Bear and doubledged

SHeMABruce: dot

SHeMABruce: sorry

SHeMABruce: oops

luminous_spirit: lol

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luminous_spirit: finally

Taz_Aharon: double, no one here cares about your opinion

Taz_Aharon: this is a study

hebrewtorah: im fascinated by women teachers!

hebrewtorah: some teach better than men

SHeMABruce: i'm facinated by women.

The Bear Jew: new flash menachem schneersomn is still in sheol nbut yeshua is risien

hebrewtorah: lol bruce

hebrewtorah: lol

luminous_spirit: lolol

David_42: The Bear Jew was bounced from the room by David_42. If you want to learn more about the rules for this room, read the room rules on the groups page or contact the owner: BEHANU

luminous_spirit: we are an enigma.. or so i've heard [pic]

SHeMABruce: good bounce.

troy_gs: [pic]

SHeMABruce: so true

janice64: is there a spirituality connected to the sense of smell

SHeMABruce: only if it smells like pizza

a jackass for Bilaam: yes the sense of smell is the sense most closely related to memory

luminous_spirit: lol

hebrewtorah: the pizza MUST be kosher hahaha

Taz_Aharon: im suprized doubledged is still here

Taz_Aharon: lol

David_42: we can let him listen

a jackass for Bilaam: this is why we smell spices at the end of shabbat

SHeMABruce: good point: (effort is rewarded) odd how so many don't seem to see the obvious truth there.

Taz_Aharon: wha?

a jackass for Bilaam: at havdallah

Taz_Aharon: mishnah and gerama is not torah

Taz_Aharon: gemara

janice64: incence was burned twice a day in the temple

hebrewtorah: do those spices "awaken" you from your shabbat?

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Taz_Aharon: dont agree with thart

Taz_Aharon: heh

tstudy84: oh, but i do

janice64: i wonder what G-d thinks when he smells incence

SHeMABruce: He don't have a nose.

luminous_spirit: lol

a jackass for Bilaam: no

shaylee_binne: incense*

Taz_Aharon: there is 1 torah

SHeMABruce: If He does, I don't want to be around when He sneezes.

a jackass for Bilaam: they leave us with the memiry of the sweetness of Shabbat

janice64: the smell of food cooking stimulates the desire to eat

tstudy84: without the oral torah, my understanding of the written torah is flawed

a jackass for Bilaam: all Torah is oral

SHeMABruce: so true isibel

janice64: i wonder what the smell of incense does

a jackass for Bilaam: only certain parts were written down so that they might be left unchangeable

troy_gs: [pic]

luminous_spirit: suggesting that the oral parts are constantly changed?

a jackass for Bilaam: the baraita (oral Torah) is oral and spoken in the vernacular

SHeMABruce: my boss walked in today JUST as I brought up the talmud on the web. OOPS!

tstudy84: maybe it causes to go into a swoon janice

luminous_spirit: lol Bruce

a jackass for Bilaam: so that it might change with the times

luminous_spirit: tsk tsk

a jackass for Bilaam: in application

a jackass for Bilaam: the written Torah is the unchangeable Torah

a jackass for Bilaam: therefore it is written

a jackass for Bilaam: in unchanging form

Taz_Aharon: jackass, you do incline to the majority?

SHeMABruce: actually, I think it is THE loftiest thing a person can do.

a jackass for Bilaam: and what is the majority?

Taz_Aharon: well ask the talmud

luminous_spirit: i totally agree Isibel

SHeMABruce: good stuff isibel

luminous_spirit: loft.. i could use one of those.. a private fort of sorts lol

a jackass for Bilaam: when one lives in a community he must follow the community rule

Taz_Aharon: the torah says not to incline after the majority, and the talmud tell you to incline after the majority, which ones do you follow jackass?

a jackass for Bilaam: whether one agrees is irellevant, if he wishes to remain in the community

tstudy84: it is speaking about sinning with the majority Taz

Taz_Aharon: no

a jackass for Bilaam: he must abide by the community rule

Taz_Aharon: it does not

janice64: bilaam that sounds like a cult

a jackass for Bilaam: if he wishes to leave the community, then the community rule no longer applies to him

a jackass for Bilaam: he has excommunicated himself

a jackass for Bilaam: it is common sense for a lawful citizen of any nation

a jackass for Bilaam: regardless of the nation or community

a jackass for Bilaam: he who rebels is a criminal

SHeMABruce: yes

SHeMABruce: and yet people still won't read it

janice64: bilaam what if the nation tells a citizen to sin

a jackass for Bilaam: if he leaves and goes to another community he is expected to follow their rules as well

SHeMABruce: the blessing of readily available Scriptural knowledge is SOOOO much of a blessing

SHeMABruce: we are spoiled by God

tstudy84: spoiled rotten bruce

SHeMABruce: i am. i know it

a jackass for Bilaam: then if one violates his scruples he should leave

a jackass for Bilaam: no one will make him remain

a jackass for Bilaam: but most often it is simply the arrogance of the individual that refuses to obey any law that does not suit his/her fancy

SHeMABruce: right. the matrix

SHeMABruce: Until recent history, there was too little available for the common man to fight about Now, sadly, God has poured out knowledge upon us and what do we do with it? Fight.

a jackass for Bilaam: very few sinners believe themselves to be so

a jackass for Bilaam: the Torah is not a democratic writ it is the commands of a sovereign Master to those whom He owns

a jackass for Bilaam: subjects of a kingdom

a jackass for Bilaam: it is not a republic

SHeMABruce: i liked that part of the book

SHeMABruce: emphasis on being serious in studying God's instructions instead of flippantly treating it as common

SHeMABruce: study for the sake of God not for the sake of self

Strider_100: this is a great evil ... a method of the jesuits

Strider_100: aka ... 'the end justifies the means'

Taz_Aharon: keeping mitzvot means nothing if it is not a delight toyou

SHeMABruce: good point

LevEchad: (sorry am late, emergency here)

luminous_spirit: didn't see ya down there Jon, shalom

luminous_spirit: everything ok Lev?

SHeMABruce: difficult to do in today's world

SHeMABruce: a no-fly zone around that guy

tstudy84: lol

LevEchad: hi lumi, yes now whew (later) [pic]

luminous_spirit: [pic]

SHeMABruce: good work, isibel

tstudy84: thank-you Isibel

luminous_spirit: great job as always Isi

luminous_spirit: [pic] thinking.. there's a concept lol

Isibel: thank you very much

Isibel: Yes

troy_gs: isn't the wife supposed to do the cooking and cleaning?

Isibel: Labor saving devices

luminous_spirit: i'd like to know the answer to that one.. i've yet to figure out how to balance everything properly

troy_gs: i have an ipod too

luminous_spirit: troy!! ??

tstudy84: Question Isibel: If a person is sinful, but still studies Torah, even though he may not understand or grasp it, can it still influence or "feed" his soul even if it makes no outward impact on him

luminous_spirit: i missed parts of the teaching due to the ENORMOUS distractions, noise here.. i am unable to comment.. nor could you hear me over the noise here lol

janice64: i think your are to teach your children torah when you rise, when you walk along the way and when you lie down...i don't know we are to talk about torah 24/7 with everyone else

SHeMABruce: We have today, right down the street or on the web, what past generations would literally have died to have.

luminous_spirit: that's so true

SHeMABruce: Personally, I think studying torah ALWAYS has an impact, it just may not be perceptible to the outside observer.

SHeMABruce: i remember that guy

tstudy84: ty isibel

janice64: not all knowledge is good..there is much that should be ignored

tstudy84: bruce's comment is also very good

luminous_spirit: good point Bruce.. and i would add that in MY opinion, if a person is TRULY following Yeshua, and HIS WAYS, that his life will reflect such even while he is learning and growing, little by little

SHeMABruce: but one must have knowledge to know what to ignore, and as one's knowledge grows, what was once ignored may now be embraced.

janice64: i still don't understand why believers study pagan religions

luminous_spirit: amein.. whew

maggieyah: catholic church.....adopted pagan rituas to draw people to their reglion

luminous_spirit: janice: what do you mean? you mean intentionally study pagan religions as a study? or out of interest?

maggieyah: today they are so apart of our lives, society etc..........we are unaware they are pagaon

janice64: either or luminous

maggieyah: tatootes are part of pagon rituals.............today it common place to get tats

SHeMABruce: knowledge of the faith of others - pagan or not - is valueable if they are to be reached by truth.

janice64: i disagree bruce

SHeMABruce: rats. I guess i won't be getting that menorah tat. darnit

luminous_spirit: personally, i don't have time to study as i'd like so i am certainly not going to study anything but torah and the Bible, but learning about other religions and why they believe as they do.. there's many reasons why that could be valuable.. but again.. i prefer to focus on TRUTH

luminous_spirit: wow, Bruce.. ya owe me a coke [pic]

SHeMABruce: it mixes with blood

SHeMABruce: the ink

SHeMABruce: i just figure since Hashem said no, that's the end of the discussion. my simplistic reason

janice64: Exodus 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.

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luminous_spirit: now if only some children could adopt your simplicity Bruce

luminous_spirit: lol

SHeMABruce: perhaps because monkeys tatoo one another with the sap of the yolobogagu tree.

janice64: torah says not to even mention the names of other gods therefore why would i study pagan religions

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SHeMABruce: not really. just making it up. there is no yolobogagu tree.

luminous_spirit: lolol

luminous_spirit: i was bout to google that lol

SHeMABruce: just a little levity

SHeMABruce: sorry

LevEchad: lol

SHeMABruce: too little perhaps

LevEchad: lol

luminous_spirit: lol

tstudy84: Is there a connection between eating non-kosher food and strenghtening ("feeding" if you like) the yetzer hara?

SHeMABruce: i think so for sure, tstudy

luminous_spirit: hopefully, one of these days, i can learn and REMEMBER all the hebrew terms

luminous_spirit: and what they mean

SHeMABruce: yolobogagu may be a hebrew term

luminous_spirit: lol

SHeMABruce: but probably ot

SHeMABruce: not

janice64: isibel,,i was a nurse almost 20 yrs..medsurg, pediatrics and oncology

janice64: shema sounds like a recipe

troy_gs: [pic]

SHeMABruce: shemabruce is a recipe for disaster

maggieyah: lol

janice64: true shemabruce

luminous_spirit: 1 part passion, 2 parts ornery?

luminous_spirit: lol

SHeMABruce: i get mad with torah. mad that i found out about so late in my life.

maggieyah: agree with you bruce

janice64: haha

SHeMABruce: seriously. MAD that i was lied to for so long and wasted over half my probable life

tstudy84: i get mad because of some of the weird things i was taught about torah when i was younger

maggieyah: what is book series

tstudy84: example: the torah demands to knock out an eye if you knock out an eye

SHeMABruce: Steinsaltz

luminous_spirit: i think most of us are in that same boat Bruce.. but time is too short to stay mad.. we were lied to and deceived.. praise YHVH we were chosen to be awakened

SHeMABruce: honestly.....i don't feel "chosen" at all

luminous_spirit: well.. neither do i .. honestly.. but we came to the truth for a reason.. i believe

maggieyah: would u perfer tro still be in darkness about this bruce

maggieyah: i thank the Lord ; was not too far in christianity not to see all this

maggieyah: closer to Lord than to christianity

SHeMABruce: no. i'm just not the "choice" worthy of being chosen. I don't feel chosen at all.

tstudy84: Baruch Hashem for the Oral Tradition

luminous_spirit: none of us are a "worthy" choice.. that's the beauty of Hashem's mercy and grace towards us

SHeMABruce: i agree, isibel

maggieyah: Moses did not either

maggieyah: Lord choices interesting people

janice64: G-d took the least of all people and made them the greatest nation i.e. what is the boasting

luminous_spirit: somehow i doubt any of US are interesting enough to G-d ..

luminous_spirit: for that to be the REASON for His choosing any of us

maggieyah: none here are boasting

janice64: there is something wrong with someones ego when he believes he is better then others

luminous_spirit: agreed janice

tstudy84: good speach Isibel

janice64: i wonder if idolatry elevates ones ego

home row: ego is the nearest available idol

luminous_spirit: most likely janice.. as "idols" (other gods) would be under the power of the adversary.. hence that would elevate self and not Hashem

luminous_spirit: true home

janice64: luminous i don't even study other religions

pswjr: hello isibel

luminous_spirit: i gathered that janice

luminous_spirit: nor do i really

pswjr: full room tonight

home row: lev. 10 ch says 3 times that we are not to 'consider the ways' of non torah keepers

luminous_spirit: no time .. i must focus on torah and messiah.. but i would not throw out the idea.. knowledge is good

tstudy84: The Talmud helps you rid youself from the westernized mindset

Isibel: sound?

Isibel: no its me

Isibel: [pic]

David_42: 1

luminous_spirit: i wish i could stay folks but i really MUST do some damage control here haha.. good night to y'all and shalom

luminous_spirit: ty Isibel for the study

Isibel: Shalom luminous, thank you SO much [pic]

luminous_spirit: [pic]

janice64: gn luminous

janice64: most of my biblical studies are from judaism

SHeMABruce: i think luminous had a wild 5 year old running around. lol

Isibel: lol

Isibel: [pic]

janice64: i am selective regarding what i read...some knowledge i don't need to know

SHeMABruce: i appreciate yours and behanu's strenuous efforts isibel. Efforts that are truly for the sake of heaven. gotta go to bed. cya

Isibel: Shalom

LevEchad: tyty Isibel

janice64: ty isibel

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