Isaac William Wall and his wives - Ireland Reaching Out



James Wall and Ellen Wall lived in Beckwith Township, Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. James and Ellen were from Roscrea, County Tipperary, Ireland. James lived from around 1790ca to 1851 and Ellen born 1791 and died after 1864. The family came over from Ireland on the ship Eolus, and arrived at the port of Quebec, Canada on June 25th, 1819.

James Wall died in Montague Township, Lanark County, Ontario before 1851. Ellen, James’s wife, went to live out her life with her son Isaac and she died after 1864.

The will of James Wall was found many years later by Laura Wall of Smith Falls, Ontario, while Randy Wall was doing research in the year 2000. After re-reading in 2007, the 1861 Montague, Lanark County census, we find that Ellen Wall was 70 (born 1791) and her son, Henry Wall, was 40 (born 1821). This is a different age than was reported before for Ellen and Henry in material. Ellen was 28 years old when they came over from Ireland in 1819. We wish we could have seen the 1851 census of Montague Twp but at the present it does not exist for the sections the Wall’s are in. Apparently two parts are missing (darn). James, Ellen, and Henry Wall are buried in the VanDusen Cemetery, Smith Falls, Lanark County, Ontario, in the Wall plot. This cemetery is by their farm in Montague Township. Besides James, Ellen, Henry, and their daughter Mary (Wall) Wynn, Sarah Tiffin (Isaac’s first wife), is also buried there. Next to Sarah is buried a Granddaughter to her and Isaac: Margaret Helena Wall.

We now know of nine children of James and Ellen Wall (there must be one more male because on the ship records another male is listed and we have no name YET. In James Wall’s will, he states he has five daughters (so we assume that he is talking about living daughters). Three of the daughters were unmarried. He mentions those three by name so they will get a little more out of his estate; Susan, Jane, and Margaret. He does not mention the two living married daughters by name, but after a lot of research from many different angles and records we know who they were now; Mary Wynn and Ellen Scott.

James & Ellen also had at least two sons, Henry and Isaac, and they are mentioned in the will. And lastly, he mentions a granddaughter, Ellen Dezell (she is the daughter of Ann.). We found the name Peter Scott, who turns out to be a son-in-law, mentioned in the will as executor. Peter was married to Ellen Wall. Another executor, John Griffith, is a land owner. The will was drawn up on Oct. 7th, 1845, because James and Ellen’s daughter, Ellen Scott, was moving away with her family and James wanted a will “drawn up” before they left Lanark County to go west in Ontario (Perth County).

There is STRONG evident that the maiden name for Ellen Wall, James’s wife, was also Wall.

From the Anglican Diocese of Ottawa, Canada:

A researcher states: I do not think we can "conclude" that the maiden name of Ellen Wall was Wall. We could say that there is a probability that it was. I notice in looking through the Wall entries in the Perth (Lanark County) registers that it was the practice of the priest of the time to give the maiden name of the mother in his baptismal entries. That gives support to the probability that Ellen Wall's maiden name was Wall. There are three entries for children of James Wall and his wife Ellen that I could easily find. The first is for Margaret and the second is for Susan where the parents are named James Wall and Ellen Wall; and the third is for Jane where the parents are recorded again as James Wall and Ellen Wall. These entries above are all of the same family and the probability is that Wall is Ellen's maiden name.

Children of James Wall and Ellen Wall born in IRELAND:

1. Ann Wall born 1811ca in Ireland and came with her parents to Ontario, Canada in 1819.

2. Mary Wall born 1813 was born in 1813 in Ireland and came with her parents to Ontario, Canada in 1819. She married Christopher Wynn. Mary died on Dec. 6th, 1860, age 47, information from her gravestone and is buried in the Vandusen Cemetery, Montague Twp, Lanark County.*

3. a male born in Ireland, did not live long for any records in Canada. Or is this a mistake in the shipping records about another child???

4. and another girl over age 7 on ship records.

*The grave of Mary (Wall) Wynn, is well marked. We found out that there was a church at the Vandusem Cemetery at one time; the Vandusen Congregation Methodist Church. Of course it is gone today and so is any records so far, dated 2019. We feel certain that Mary’s parents James and Ellen and her brother Henry, are also buried there but do not have a gravestone (but James & Ellen now have a marker by Randy Wall and Bonnie (Wall) Kinion dated 2017).

The ship Eolus set sail on May 5th, 1819, Waterford, Ireland and arrived in Canada, on June 25th, 1819, at the Port of Quebec, in the Province of Quebec. It took 51 days for the Wall’s on this sailing vessel, to arrive in Canada from Ireland.

Ship records from transcriptions of the original manifest-

#675. James Wall, emigrant, 1 adult male, 1 adult female, 1 male under 7, 2 females over 7, 1 female under 7, country Ireland, ship name Eolus, June 26, 1819.

--located on July 31, 1819 Beckwith, C7 NE13. SDP. (Concession 7, Northeast Lot 13)

-SDP means SETTLING DUTIES PERFORMED.

#676. Moses Wall, emigrant, 1 adult male, country Ireland, ship name Eolus, June 26, 1819.

-- located on July 31, 1819 Beckwith, C7 SW13. SDP. (Concession 7, Southwest Lot 13)

--The immigration ship record for James Wall shows 1 -adult male (James Wall born 1780ca), 1 adult woman (Ellen Wall, born 1791), 1 male under 7, 1 female under 7 (Mary, born 1813), and 2 females over 7 (Ann born 1811 and ?)

--The record also shows that Moses Wall (born1896) arrived alone in Canada on the same ship & time.

Ann Wall was born 1811 in Ireland and came with her

parents to Ontario, Canada in 1819. She married James

Dalzelland/Dalzell (Dezell) before 1834. .

Mary Wall born 1813 came with her parents to Ontario, Canada in 1819. She married Christopher Wynn. Mary died on Dec. 6th, 1860, age 47, information from her gravestone and is buried in the Vandusen Cemetery, Montague Twp, Lanark County, Ontario, in the Wall plot with her parents, James and Ellen Wall. Her grave is well marked. Is there an obit for her???? She has large stone at cemetery.

Census records for James Wall.

The 1820 census Beckwith Township, James WALL: 1 female, (Ellen his wife born 1791), 2 sons, could one of them be Moses Wall (1796) because he is not listed in the1820 census and he has received his land but has not built anything on it yet? The other son might be Henry or a worker. 3 daughters (total 7). We know one of the daughters is Mary (1813); others could be Ellen (a possible twin to Henry) or field workers or someone who needed a place to stay for a while. They were living in the northeast lot 13, concession 7, Beckwith Township, Lanark County, Ontario. In the census records, you were not asked what kind of relationship a person was in the home to the head of the house. All they recorded, after the head of the household name was written down, was to list the number of sons and daughters in the household. It did not matter that some of the people were not related or what there age was. Just to get a head count of male and female.

Here is a sample:

The female part in the census was basically if there was a wife or not. Many times house guest or servants/workers were written down in this list under sons and daughters. So you could never trust the census records if the were family or not. It was not until 1851 when they wrote out everybody’s name.

The 1821 census for Beckwith Township, 1 man, 1 woman, 1 boy, 3 girls: family total of 6. James, Ellen (1791) and Mary (1813), Henry (1821) and Ellen (1821 twin’s maybe?) and a female servant? Moses was living alone.

The 1822 census for Beckwith Township, Wall, James;

1 woman and 1 son. We know there is a mix-up. Some of the family is living over at Moses Wall’s home (See Moses 1822 census record). Maybe a minister and his wife and one child are living here (or they recorded the census results for James and Moses wrong. We know that James had children at this time. Moses didn’t. He did not marry until 1823).

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Canadian history has recorded our James Wall in, “A Pioneer History of the County of Lanark” by Jean McGill, taken from page 192. The author found this story in the book by Jessie Buchanan Campbell, the Pioneer Pastor, Toronto, 1900. This story documents our James Wall of Beckwith Township in 1822, as follow; “In February 1822, The Rev. William Bell went to Beckwith (Township) and organized a church admitting 90 members. He held communion services in the upper story of the Franktown Inn (presumably Nowlan’s), (in the village of Franktown of Beckwith Twp.) This service inaugurated the Beckwith Presbyterian Church, but when the new minister, the Rev. George Buchanan, arrived to start up the church on August 10th, of that year, nothing had been prepared for him and his family to live in, by the settlers. Beckwith settlers were in the midst of the fall harvest. James Wall, a generous Irishman, offered the Buchanan’s, including 7 girls and 2 boys, his own newly built log house. Here they remained for 6 weeks until the settlers could build them a home.”

Another paragraph from the book by Campbell, “a few Irish settlers who were Protestant and members of the Anglican Church (Church of England), also attended Rev. Buchanan’s services, since no provision had as yet been made for Anglicans residing in Beckwith Twp. These settlers also called Rev. Buchanan in case of sickness or a death in the family” (they are talking about the families of the Wall’s here; James and Moses.)

On May 19th, 1824, James Wall was granted a deed from the crown for 100 acres in Beckwith Township, South Lanark County, Ontario. Northeast half of lot 13, concession 7 (next door to Moses Wall). James had met the requirements of terms and was given this land for improving it.

Now in 1837 after 18 years in Beckwith Township, James Wall and family moved to Montague Township also in Lanark County (It’s about 20 miles distance from point to point). The abstract of the title, for a lot in Beckwith Township, shows that James Wall sold 100 acres to a Peter and James McArthur on August 10th, 1837. (This was not all the land James owned in Beckwith. He gave some of it to Henry, his son, in his will of 1845).

The 1840 census for Montague Township in Lanark County, listed the James Wall family as; 1 male under 16 (Isaac born 1833), 3 females under 16 (Susan born 1825, Jane born 1827 and one could be Ellen Dezell, the granddaughter, 2 males over 16 (hired help?), 2 females over 16 (Ellen Wall Scott born 1821 and Margaret Wall Riddle born 1823), and Church of England, 4 (the census at this time listed adults with their religion denominations.), James, Ellen (1791), Henry (1821) and Mary (1813). The land they owned was the west half of lot 18, second concession. Also 100 acres in Beckwith Township, Northeast half of lot 11, first concession.

The 1841 census for Montague showed the family the same way.

The 1851 census for Montague Township is incomplete at the present and missing are two parts which include the section for the Wall families. This is really too bad. A big piece of the Wall family history is gone somewhere? I hope it is not forever.

The 1861 census in Montague for the Wall’s, list Ellen Wall (the mother and wife of James Wall) and Henry Wall (a son) living with Isaac William Wall (another son to Ellen& James) and Isaac’s family. Ellen is 70 (1791), born Ireland and Henry is 40 (1821), born Canada, single and a laborer and blind.

By this time, James Wall is now deceased.

Census records for Moses Wall.

1819 ship record, 1 man (Moses born 1796).

1820 census Beckwith Twp, Lanark Co. has Moses missing from census. He could be living with James Wall and family.

1821 census for Beckwith Twp; 1 man. Moses is living on his own land.

1822 census for Beckwith Township; 1 woman, 1 son, 4 daughters, total 7. Wow, what happened? Moses family grew over night. It’s because James Wall’s children are there and some of the house guests staying there are from the new minister in town. The village folks are building a house for him and his family of 11 or they mixed up the census results for James and Moses families. Moses was given a patent grant (for land) for having performed the terms of settlement (clearing a portion of the land) of 100 acres in southwest half of lot 13, concession 7 (next door to James Wall). Moses Wall was also granted a deed from the CROWN on May 19th, 1824, for these 100 acres in Beckwith Township, Lanark County (It was the southwest half of lot 13, concession 7). Moses sold this parcel of land March 4th, 1831, to James McArthur, Jr.

1839 census for Montague Township, Lanark County, listed the family of Moses Wall as; 3 males under 16 (John 1825, James 1829, Henry 1836), 3 females under 16 (Jane 1825, Maryanne 1832, Maria 1834), 1 male & female over 16 (servants/field hands or a couple living with them?), Church of England, 2 (Moses 1796 and Anne 1806). (As stated before, the census at this time listed adults with their religion denominations.)

The 1840 census is the same way.

The 1841 census listed one more female over 16 (Jane), and Church of England, 3. (One of the girls turned 16 and they had one more girl born in the family, Elizabeth, 1840.)

On April 8th, 1844, an order was signed permitting Moses Wall to purchase the west half of crown lot 22 in the 9th concession of the township of Montague, Lanark County, where he lived for nearly 6 years and improved. So Moses sold this land in 1850 and moved to Bentinck Township, Grey County, Ontario, Canada and lived out his life there. He and his family were living in this “new country” by the 1851 Bentinck Twp census. This was known as the “Huron Tract District”. He has a gravestone listed where they came from in Ireland: Rossgary (sic Roscrea), Co. Tipperary, Ireland. The person who carved the gravestone, spelled the word as he heard it; ROSSGARY = Roscrea.

Found in the local newspaper Published in Lanark County, Ontario. Bathurst Courier (Perth Courier later on), December 12, 1856- -Profane Swearing:

Isaac Wall, two shillings (What did he say? DARN? DAM?)

Also this: On the Lord’s Day, December 14, 1856- Assault: (was he fighting again?) Isaac Wall, five shillings

(Good grief, you know that Irish temper.)

Now on the land from his father’s will: The property that Isaac was to have gotten upon his mother's death, it looks like he and his mother just sold it for a seven hundred dollars for one section of land then later on sold another section for seven hundred for the other half on Aug. 8th, 1864. Isaac then moved down to Malitda Twp in Dundas County before 1865. Where did his mother Ellen go? Where was Henry Wall?

Wall children given names-So you can see the similarly in the names of the Wall families. Remember they lived side by side and of course if they both had a child in one given year; they would not name the children the same first name. It would be too confusing to have the same names for two WALL households, living by each other.

Names of James & Ellen Wall’s children: Mary, Henry, Ellen, Margaret, Susan, Jane, Rebecca, and Isaac (Isaac William).

Names of Moses & Anne Wall’s children: Jane, John, James, Maryanne, Maria, Henry, Elizabeth, Margaret, and William.

-NOTICE: James Wall has died and Isaac Wall came to present the WILL for whatever reasons he had. Perhaps to sell some of the land to pay off a debt?

Which said Will is Witnessed by Charles Vandusen of Montague aforesaid, Esquire John Rose late of the same place Yeoman now deceased. William White of the same place Yeoman. And this Memorial thereof is hereby required to be registered by one Isaac Wall one of the devisees therein named.

February 6th, 1858

Signed and Sealed }

In the presence of } Isaac Wall (L.S.)

Charles Vandusen }

John Price }

We do not hold the records of the Vandusen Congregation Methodist Church. If they exist, they will be held by the City of Ottawa Archives (their e-mail address is arbeS@city.ottawa.on.ca. I searched our records for the deaths/burials of James Wall and his wife Ellen. We have no record of the death/burial of James Wall (this is from Ottawa archives).

Sasannah (Susan Wall) Miller- obituary, Is there one? Died Sept 1st, 1914 Cardinal, Ontario, Canada. She was 92 years old according to death certificate.

Susannah (Susan) Wall was born on May 5th, 1825 (it states 1823 on her gravestone) and baptized on July 6th 1825, at Beckwith Township, Lanark County, Ontario. She died on Sept. 1st, 1914, at Cardinal, Grenville County, Ontario and is buried at Hanesville Cemetery, Matilda Township, Dundas County, Ontario.

Jane (Wall) Price died on November 16th, 1891 in Sundridge, Parry Sound District, Ontario and is buried in Sundridge Cemetery (old one), Strong Township. Is there an obituary for her?

The Rev. George Buchanan organized a Church of Scotland, that is to say, Presbyterian Church.  The parish records of this church may be researched at the United Church Archives in Toronto.  We do not have these records in these archives.  The quotation does not necessarily indicate that the Walls were Presbyterian, simply generous, as the next closest Anglican church at that point in time was in Perth, a good dozen or more miles away. Did we look at this????

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