Final Meeting Report - UL Standards



TAG108 (Research Triangle Park-2018-Agenda)February 20, 2018DRAFT AGENDA - IEC TC108 USTAG Meeting UNLINKED AGENDAFebruary 20-21, 2018________Research Triangle Park, NCFebruary 20, 2018, 9 AM – 5 PMFebruary 21, 2018, 9 AM – 1 PM Ag#Brief Description Doc DesignationHandler1OpeningWelcome by Bob Griffin, TAWelcome by Michelle Henderson, Operations Manager – Consumer Technology GriffinWelcome to our first meeting of 2018. Many thanks to UL Standards for offering to host us today. Michelle Henderson from UL LLC welcomed the group to the RTP.Introductions were given by each attendee.2TAG108 RosterUS TAG Membership RosterGriffinThe roster was provided on the website. Please review and contact Grace Roh if any of the information is not correct.3Review AgendaGriffinThe agenda was approved without additions for this meeting.4Review last meeting minutesMountain View, CA Meeting Mountain View Meeting ReportGriffinMinutes distributed last September were included and approved.5Next meetings5.1USTAG Need Volunteer Hosts:August – September, 2018Feb – Mar, 2019Standing Offers:ADTRAN – Huntsville, ALNute – Bend, ORExponent – Mountain View, CAGriffinThe next TAG meeting should be planned for the last week of August if possible to prepare for the Busan TC108 meeting. Assuming things go well with the FDIS vote, this meeting will primarily dedicated to new work items for the IEC62368 -1, -2, -3 along with any pre-work required for the upcoming Plenary meeting in Busan in October. The Spring 2019 will be set to prepare for what will likely be a US hosted TC108HBSDT meeting (Apr-June 2019) so we will be looking for host and locations for both meetings. 5.2.1Plenary meetingOctober 2018, Busan, Republic of Korea GriffinThe next TC108 Plenary Meeting will be in Busan, ROK during the week of the IEC General Meetings. As is TC 108 custom, we will try to meet on Friday morning (likely Oct 26).5.2.2TC108 HBSDT October 2017, Toronto CanadaToronto Meeting ReportMarch 26th-29th, 2018: Brussels, Belgium Fall 2018: Busan, KoreaSpring 2019: Awaiting invitations - USAFall 2019: Shanghai, China (to be confirmed)GriffinThe next meeting is hosted in Brussels city center at the CEN/CENELEC offices for 4 days 26 – 30 March, 2018.5.2.3TC 108 WG 05PerkinsNo meetings are scheduled at this time.6IEC TC108 matters 6.1Organizational StructureTC Organization ChartTC Organization Chart RohThere are no new changes to the TC 108 organizational structure. 6.2Interpretation PanelTC 108 Interpretation Panel Question 05108/697e/INFTC 108 Interpretation Panel Question 06108/698e/INFGriffinIPQ 05 and IPQ 06 have been discussed several times over the past meeting cycles and were approved in Toronto by the HBSDT team and management committee. IPQ05 – Laser standards for image projectors - The panel agrees that IEC 62471-5 should be used instead of IEC 62471 for image projectors. TOM- Scanning type projectors (pico) will go back to the IEC60825IPQ06 – Application guidance on the Clause 4.1.1. Component requirements when used in IEC62368-1 products. 7HBSDT matters7.1IEC 62368-1, Audio/video, information and communication technology equipment - Part 1: Safety requirementsResults of Voting108/699e/RVCGriffinA list of all the decisions that were made at the Toronto meeting are reflected in this document.For the US, everything was accepted or accepted in principle with the exception of US-10 (comment 242) which is accepted but modified, US-13, 14, 15 (Comment 274) that were editorial changes in clause 10.6. US-21 (comment 322) on G.8.1 which was blended into some other varistor work 7.1.1Current Draft - IEC62368-1 - 3rd EdUnofficial FDIS108-62368-1-Ed3-IS-FDISGriffinWe have an unofficial document that was developed for NB’s to work with as we prepare for the Brussels meeting. We expect the FDIS formally from central office within the next few weeks.7.1.1.1TAG commentsUS TAG 108 Comments FDISUS TAG 108 Comments_FDISGriffinThe TA suggested a positive vote for this document (when available). There were no negative comments so we will ask USNC to vote positive. Any editorial comments will be submitted. 7.1.2Annex MGriffin 7.1.3New Proposals 7.1.4New Work ItemsTC 108 Interpretation Panel Battery QuestionTC 108 battery question_2018_Feb15DesaiAn expert paper will be written by Raju Desai and submitted with a proposal to the HBSDT. 7.2IEC 62368-2, Audio/video, information and communication technology equipment - Part 2: Explanatory information related to IEC 62368-1Proposal for revision of IEC TR 62368-2, ed 2. 108-xyz-DTRGriffin7.2.1TAG CommentsTS TAG Comments 108US TAG Comments 108_xyz_DTRGriffinComments that were reviewed and supported at the TAG meeting will be sent. If there other comments, please forward them to the TA for consideration. 7.3IEC 62368-3, Part 3: Safety aspects for DC power transfer through communication cables and portsResults of Voting108/696e/RVD62368-3 published on December 6, 2017GriffinThere are several committees that are working on text to align requirements with clause 5 of this horizontal group standard.This document has the status of a group safety function and deals with safety aspects for DC power transfer through communication cables and ports. Next to the well-known telephone systems, this document now also includes safety aspects for technologies such as USB power and PoE (Power over Ethernet).This applies to all equipment intended to supply and receive operating power through communication cables or ports. It covers particular requirements for circuits that are designed to transfer DC power from a power sourcing equipment (PSE) to a powered device (PD).7.3.1TAG CommentsGriffin7.3.2New ProposalsHBSDT Adhoc Work on 62368-3 rewriteInsert Working DocWieseAn adhoc formed in Toronto to begin work to better align Clause 6 with ITU-T K 50 – Jim Weise is convening that work.8MT1 matters8.1IEC 60065, Audio, video and similar electronic apparatus – Safety requirementsMarksThere is nothing to report at this time.9MT2 mattersGriffinThere is nothing to report at this time.10Joint HBSDT/MT1/MT2 mattersGriffinThere is nothing to report at this time.11WG5, Maintenance and proposals for IEC 60990, Methods of measurement of touch current and protective conductor currentPerkins12New technical business items Griffin12.113Other committee reports (verbal)13.1ACOS GriffinThere is nothing to report at this time.13.2SC22E, Stabilized power suppliesGoshiaThere is nothing to report at this time.13.3SC22H, Uninterruptible power systems (UPS)HawxhurstThere is nothing to report at this time.13.4SC23/WG12 LesmeisterIEC60799 has now been published. (Jumper Cords or interconnecting cords).FDIS recently submitted 60320-2-4 (couplers for direct plug-in devices).DC being used with AC connectors is still a concern when there are now TS’s available for DC connectors. 13.5SC77A low frequency emissionsLesmeister61000-2-2 - -Closer to version that includes emission limits for 2-9 KHz.13.6IECEEGriffinThe USNC-IECEE meets next month in Austin to begin the 2018 work. Many of the TF and WG meeting have taken place (most earlier this month at Intertek. Bob Griffin is providing some advice into WG29 on batteries (IEC62133) requirements for products standard that don’t have battery requirements. Bob Griffin also sits on a Categories TF to resolve the OFF and TRON issue as well as having a common standards listed in multiple categories. 13.7CTL/OSM DecisionsCTL DSH 1080AProvisional Decision Sheet: IEC 60950-1:2005+, IEC 60065:2014: How shall we test equipment with IC including a capacitor discharge function?CTL PDSH 2075-2017CTL Provisional Decision Sheet: IEC 60695-10-2:2014: To define the “best practice” test procedure for the ball pressure test based on the requirements of the standard.CTL PDSH 2069-2017Which requirements must be considered for USB ports used in non IEC 60950-1 or 62368-1 products?CTL PDSH 2053_DSH-od-5002-4:2015CEL Decision Sheet: 62368-1:2014: Is it acceptable to waive the test of Annex S.3 and disregard opening dimension/design requirements of sub clause 6.4.8.3.4 if the bottom panel of the fire enclosure is extended such that the 30mm cylinder extending below the PIS is not projecting beyond this bottom panel extension?Griffin13.8IEC SMB TC 108 ReportSMB 6078e_INFMarksProvided and accepted by SMB summarizing work from TC 108.Jos Remy gave the presentation in Mexico. 13.9Other TC Activities of interestDiscussions on how to use the safety requirements of 62368, Referencing Guide 117.ISO has created a TC to address musical instruments. 62368 for electrical musical instruments.GriffinThe following is provided for the TAG’s awarenessTC 64 projects on LVDC Power (64/2256/CD) and (64/2257/CD) and HVDC power (64/2247/NP)A couple of CD's (64_2256 and 64_2257) are out for comment that you might be interested in IEC TS 61200-101, Electrical installation guide, Part 101: Application guide on extra-low-voltage direct current electrical 59 installation not intended to be connected to Public Distribution Network.2256 - Scope - This document applies to individual DC low-voltage electrical installations entirely supplied by local 86 power sources, and not intended to be connected to a Public Distribution Network and having a 87 nominal voltage lower or equal to the Extra Low-Voltage limit. The maximum voltage is limited to 60V DC.?2257 - Scope - This document applies to DC low-voltage electrical installations entirely supplied by local power sources and may possibly be connected to a Public Distribution Network and having a nominal voltage lower or equal to the Low-Voltage limit. These installations may be connected to collective or shared private electrical installations.?A NWIP is out 64/2247/NP to develop another IEC60364-7 series or requirements for 380V DC datacenter installations. A new standard for DC power supply systems in the data center that will become IEC60364-7-7xx series of installation standards. It is likely this project will be approved and will progress to another one in the dozens of IEC60364 series installation standards. The project is being led by Japan. TC124, Wearable electronic devices and technologies published New Proposals (NPs) that included "Low temperature skin burn safety test methods for band type on-body wearable electronic devices". These will be voted on before next TC124 meeting in May.?TC124 is not recognized as a product safety and they seem to be working in a 'horizontal way' that they have no authorization to do. TC124 scope includes wide coverage of wearable devices and technologies, but excluding standardization for specific items in the field of several TCs including TC108.? There could be significant confusion due to scope.?TC124 prepares an IS or technical specifications for the safety test method which seems very much based on limits from Guide 117 but the method is something that may be useful for us in the future if it develops. for low temperature burn issue during the use of certain kind of wearable devices, and TC108 makes reference to it.ISO Proposed Project on Musical Instruments Title Musical instrumentsScope statement of the proposed new committee = Take musical instruments which had gained worldwide currency (popular), mass-produced, widely distributed and used and have standardization properties as the scope of the committee, including: standardization of classification, terminology, products, use safety, test methods and conformity assessment rules. Proposed initial programme of work = Standardization is proposed to be carried out mainly in three aspects:The first aspect is about common standards, including classification and terminology; The second aspect is about method standards, including the assessment of musical performance and test methods of limits of hazardous substances for musical instruments; The third aspect is about standards for application-oriented products and accessories, including main musical instrument products like piano, violin family (including violin, viola, cello, double bass ), guitar, accordion, aero phones, bow, string14USNC mattersGriffinNothing to be noted.15Other businessGriffinNothing to be noted. 15.1TAG Procedures/ProcessesSee Collaboration Site Under Folder ”TAG Resources (Reference Manual)” Table 1 below: To download the documents go to TC108 TAG DocumentsSign in using the following username and password Sign In?????????? ???????????108tag@Password? ???? ????????? 108AccessIEC Resources - Toolbox - AdjournGriffinTable 1 - Standing DocumentsTopic TAG Web Page: TAG Resources (Reference Material)Operating proceduresUSNC TAG Model Operating Procedures 091114Helpful information Helpful_information_and_links_April_1_2015Proposal template108HBSDT(Meeting-GA-Name)Nr-Template.docTAG Comment Form TAG108-CommentForm.docAttendance ListF NameL NameCompanyMarielAcosta-GeraldinoIBM Corp.ToddBonfontiUL LLCBrianBradyOracle America, Inc.ThomasBurkeUL LLCRickCovellVDE Americas, Inc.Raju P.DesaiAppleSheilaDriscollHumanscale CorporationJamesDunbarToshibaTedEckertMicrosoft Corp.Lynn M.GarciaEmersonBobGriffinIBM Corp.SyedHaqueIntertek Testing Services NA, Inc.PhillipHavensLittelfuse, IncVincentHawxhurstSchneider ElectricCharlesJacksonNVIDIA CorporationJoeJaneliunasT?V America IncYao MinKaoLenovo USThomasKeberCanon U.S.A., Inc.FrankKrippendorfPalo Alto NetworksLeszekLangiewiczHP Inc.NgaLeCiscoGlennLesmeisterHewlett Packard EnterpriseTedMarksJVC Kenwood U.S. Corp.GregoryMcClureLexmark International, Inc.MichaelOuzielAvery DennsionJeffPasternakIntel CorporationPetePerkinsPrincipal Product Safety ConsultantRichardPescatoreConsultantKarenReddingtonUL LLCGraceRohUnderwriters Laboratories Inc.MilosSavicPanduit Corp.WillSusieneIntel CorporationChanWangTUV Rheinland of N.A.DianeWilliamsCorning Inc.MichaelWrightAlpha Technologies???StanMlyniec Volt Server (Guest) ................
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