Advising Undocumented Students ... - Financial Aid Toolkit



PSC-ED-FSA-TISD

Moderator: Christal Simms

March 3, 2016

4:00 pm CT

Coordinator: Welcome and thank you all for standing by. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. I would like to remind everyone that this call is being recorded. If you have any objection, please disconnect at this time.

And now it's my pleasure to hand the call over to Ms. (JoAnn Hymus). Mam, you may begin.

(JoAnn Hymus): Thank you (Dane). Good afternoon. Thank you very much for joining our Webinar. My name is (JoAnn Hymus). I'm an Awareness and Outreach Specialist for Federal Student Aid at the Department of Education in Washington, D.C.

During our Webinar, if there are any questions from the audience, please feel free to type it in and we will be trying to answer questions as we go through the Webinar. We will also try to leave time at the end to answer questions as time allows.

I also want to remind you that there will be a transcript of this presentation on our FSA Toolkit in about 14 days and you will receive -- as registrants -- a link to a survey that we would appreciate for you to respond at your convenience.

So today we're going to discuss advising undocumented students and the options that we have as mentors and college access professionals for advising this population.

Here's an overview of our agenda. We're going to talk about the definition of being an undocumented student. We're going to talk about financial aid -- how to counsel undocumented students. We're going to run through some scenarios and hopefully have some time for questions and answers.

Well, like most prospective college students, undocumented individuals embark on a surge for financial aid. However, most of undocumented students that are looking for access to college and other resources face substantial barriers in accessing financial aid.

So what exactly does it mean to be undocumented? A person that lacks the documents required for immigration or legal residence in the US. This person or student may have entered the US either legally on a temporary basis and stayed after their documents expired.

They may have also entered without inspection or without any valid documents. Or they may have entered as a minor and brought in by their parents or someone else.

Current estimates say that approximately 75% of the undocumented students today come from Mexico and other countries in Latin America. The majority of the undocumented students live in these six states -- California, Texas, New York, Illinois, Florida and Arizona.

Very recently, other states have seen significant growth in undocumented residents -- actually during the past ten or 15 years. So here are some estimates and data on what we know for undocumented students.

There are about 1.7 million undocumented students that are under the age of 30. One million approximately are under the age of 18. And of these, about 80,000 reach adult age every year -- and 65,000 graduate from high school every year.

Nationally, about 40% of undocumented young people aged 18 to 24 do not complete their high school, when compared with 8% of their US-born peers. These figures are from December of 2014, so they may have increased.

So now we get to financial aid. So can undocumented students complete the FAFSA? If so, are undocumented students eligible for federal student aid? How does the process for FAFSA differ for students with undocumented parents?

Can an undocumented student pursue other sources of financial aid? So to be eligible for Federal Pell Grants, the following types of applicants are eligible -- US citizens, US nationals, permanent residents of the US and other specific categories of non-citizens.

So if you go onto this link -- that we will not access today -- you can see the list of the other specific categories of non-citizens that are eligible for federal student aid. However, there are many students that are not eligible for Federal Pell Grants -- including visitors, international students with F1, F2 Visas, temporary workers and undocumented residents. Again, there's a full Visa listing at the Department of State Website that you can go to.

So also on the Department of Education, we do have a chart that you can refer to that has a breakdown of the eligibility for financial aid for different students with different Visa types. And it's kind of hard to read, but it does breakdown US citizen -- a resident -- what type of aid they qualify for under Title 4 -- state aid -- institutional aid -- private scholarships and private loans. And then the columns say the type of students or immigration status that they may qualify under.

So can undocumented students complete the FAFSA? If a student has a valid Social Security Number, the FAFSA can be completed. However, it is very important that we advise the students that they must talk to the college or university that they will be attending to see what type of documentation they will need to find the financial aid for that specific student.

So for example in Texas, most colleges and universities that do ask for a FAFSA ask for a paper FAFSA. So it's important to keep in mind that every school and every college has their own guidelines for these students -- for the students that are undocumented.

The next question is, "Are undocumented students eligible for federal aid?" No, undocumented students are ineligible for federal student aid. Now students that are not DACA and are undocumented, they cannot file a FAFSA because they do not have a Social Security Number.

And the next question is, "Can a undocumented student pursue other sources of financial aid?" Absolutely. There may be other types of nonfederal financial aid which they may qualify for. However, again we go back to -- it is up to the school or the university to decide what forms or information they prefer from the students in order to determine institutional aid.

Some Texas colleges and universities, for example, prefer the paper FAFSA along with a paper (TEFA) to determine institutional aid for undocumented students. That may differ by state and that might - may differ by school.

Currently we know of five states that do provide financial aid for undocumented students. This was current as of February of last year -- California, Minnesota, New Mexico, Texas and Washington.

These 18 states currently allow in-state tuition for undocumented students. So if the student meets these criteria, they may qualify for in-state tuition, even if they are undocumented.

So if they have attended a high school for two to four years within the state, completed a high school diploma or their GED or a HiSET, enrolled in a public post-secondary education institution and filed the affidavit stating intent to legalize status and become a permanent resident -- then they may qualify for in-state tuition.

Different schools, colleges and universities may have institutional scholarships, grants, loans or work study programs that undocumented students may qualify for. The availability of these type of aids varies widely by state, by school. And some scholarships may come with a merit component.

And there are other sources out there available where we can get a list of financial aid for undocumented students -- including a list that was published in October of 2015 of last year by the Department of Education that has Fastweb for example -- the Mexican American Legal Defense And Education Fund or MALDEF, Get Ready For College, Latino College Dollars, Scholarships For Hispanics and Geneseo Migrant Center.

So how do we counsel undocumented students? Well, like we do with any other students, we should aim to reach out to them as early as possible -- to the students and the parents. And try to encourage them always to envision themselves as college material, explore career options and prepare them academically for college.

If the opportunity arises, let them know that their undocumented status is not a legal bar to attending a US college. We should also be informed about the requirements and explain to them what is needed for federal financial aid -- specifically at parent meetings, outreach or other group sessions.

Recipients must be US citizens or legal resident and we can explain financial aid policies and other options to parents and students without even asking their immigration status.

We should monitor their achievement and progress in the classroom. We should identify individual learning concerns and find solutions for them. We should always appraise aptitude, intelligence and other characteristics -- interpret their findings, provide information about high school study options and course offerings.

Aid them in exploring and understanding educational options, teach study skills and motivate students, encourage them to maintain an academic portfolio, foster extra-curricular involvement and give students support and guidance.

So basically the way we work with all students if how we're supposed to counsel undocumented students when it comes to trying to prepare them for the mindset of going to college. Provide information and resources in the parents' native language. This I feel is very important -- that we have information available in the parents' native language so that they can understand and feel that they are a part of their student's education.

We should provide hope and encouragement. We should know relevant policies and legislation. Just like we do with any other student, we try to know the policies that are affecting our students the same way we should be informed about the policies that are affecting our undocumented population.

We should find resources available for them. Some examples for Iowa -- is Iowa College Student Aid, Educate Texas in Texas, and Advise TX.

We should build support networks -- probably work with high schools working with colleges working with universities -- to try to come up with forums to open communication and dialogue about the importance of learning and building resources for our students.

Identify role models, involve parents and have access to reputable legal information and assistance. Probably -- there may be some non-profit organizations that provide legal clinics. Schools can also partner with them to try to help their students.

So on our Financial Aid Toolkit -- and there's the address -- financialaidtoolkit. -- we have these questions and answer printout that you can access to - that you have access to that may help to clear up some doubts about advising undocumented students.

Now, yes, some schools use the FAFSA to determine financial need and if they can use institutional funds -- or if they can award institutional funds. We also have -- and on our Financial Aid Toolkit you will find our FAFSA4caster.

So if an undocumented student needs to find out that the EFC for this specific scholarship and the school does not need a paper FAFSA, then the students can fill out the FAFSA4caster. This will calculate all the numbers, but will not transmit anything through the Department.

So that may help some students. So it's (unintelligible) for advisors and mentors to make sure that they are familiar with the resources that are available in our Financial Aid Toolkit provided by the Department of Education and Federal Student Aid.

So we have some scenarios here. I am documented -- or I have DACA. Should I file a FAFSA? So again, we go back to it really depends on the school. Federal Student Aid advises all students with a valid Social Security Number to submit the FAFSA. But it all depends on the school.

So for DACA students, the Social Security Number is valid for employment purposes only. So it's very important that we advise students that they should be in constant communication with the college access professor - professional, but also with the college or university that they are interested in attending.

So they - we should advise the student to be in communication with them and let them know the resources that are available. So if they only need, for example, to calculate the EFC, then we can show them how to access the FAFSA4caster.

If the school is asking for a FAFSA, then the student can file a paper FAFSA. The student, if required by the school, can file the FAFSA electronically -- but again, they are not eligible for a Federal Pell Grant.

"So in order for me to complete the FAFSA, do my parents need Social Security Numbers?" And the answer is, no. Federal student aid does not take the parents' citizenship into consideration in order to determine Federal Pell Grant eligibility.

So the parents' citizenship does not affect the ability to complete the FAFSA. They do not need to have Social Security Numbers. So if the FAFSA is being filed electronically, then in the question where it asks about a Social Security Number, then we could put nine zeros.

If the parents do not have it -- a Social Security Number -- then they can also not apply for the SSA ID. So then when it comes to filing the FAFSA, they can print out the Signature page, sign it and then mail it by mail so the FAFSA can be processed.

If -- this is another scenario where we do need to make sure that the student understands that every situation is different. So if the student - if the school, sorry, prefers for the FAFSA to be filed, then they need to ask them how they go about answering the question.

So if the parent, for example, does not have a Social Security Number the FAFSA asks to fill out - or we suggest to fill out zeros. Then if they have ITINS for their Tax Return, then we can put in all the information regarding the Tax Return (and) the financial information for the FAFSA. But an error will come up because it will say, "You said that the Social Security Number is this -- which is all zeros. But then you answered the question that they filed an IRS 1040."

Now, depending on what the school prefers, you could select, "File the foreign Tax Return." Or the school may just request a tax transcript directly with the parents' ITIN. So it's very important to counsel the students about being in constant communication with the school that they will be attending to.

There's a question, "Is federal aid information only printed in English and Spanish?" We have English, Spanish and Braille at this time.

Yes, this again -- there will be a transcript uploaded on our FSA Toolkit about two weeks after today's presentation. And also we will be receiving a survey. So any - if you could answer the survey and any additional comments or information that you might need, I think there is a space to put that on the survey. And the transcript will be available on our Toolkit.

Okay, and somebody was also already available - or able to download this (EF) version of my PowerPoint. And again, on our FSA Toolkit, we have other PowerPoints that you have access to and that you can use.

Here on this slide is a list of resources that are available for you to access at a new time. On the first one we have . This gives primarily information for students and families. But we as mentors and advisors can also go there for information about federal student aid, student loans, going to school.

On our Financial Aid Toolkit, the second bullet is, "Information for School Counselors, Mentors and College Access Professionals." Also, I've learned of a lot of non-profit organizations that are helping what - helping us out with college access.

We also have educational resources for new arrivals and DACA students. This was put out by the Department of Education -- and there's the link that you can click on once it's uploaded.

Let me go over to a question that we have. "Why are some counselors telling students to fill out the FAFSA?" Well, it just depends again -- if the school uses a FAFSA to determine eligibility for some scholarships, that - because of financial need, then that is why the counselors are asking the students to fill out the FAFSA.

If the student is undocumented they do not qualify for Federal Pell Grants, and they do not have a Social Security Number to file the FAFSA -- but they can file the FAFSA4caster.

Here's another question, "How do you advise a student who is a US citizen whose parents are in another country and not financially supporting the student?" This -- again -- this is a special circumstance that students must talk to their school financial aid officer to see how they will present this.

If there is - if the parents are not supporting the students, then they can talk to the financial aid officer to explain to them how they - their financial situation is and what type of verification documents they can bring in to qualify.

Let's go on back to our resources. The Resource Guide that was also published in October of 2015 has a lot of very, very useful information that we can use every day for supporting undocumented students. Again, it was printed October of 2015.

There is also a letter by Arne Duncan to colleagues to tell us about these resources that are available. And again, another resource is our Financial Aid Toolkit where we can order free publications in both English and Spanish for our students.

Now let me go to some questions. Just a second, I'm going to try and type at the same time. "How do you get an EFC with the FAFSA4caster?"

I haven't gone into the FAFSA4caster, but basically it uses some formula where you type in the numbers from the Tax Return. And it gives an estimate of the EFC. There's a way to print this out and take it to the college financial aid office.

Yes, "Are any of these links available in Spanish?" Yes, is - does have -- on the very top on the right-hand side it says, "English and Española" -- that is available in Spanish and so is the FAFSA -- it's also available in Spanish online.

Another question, "If a student has an Employment Authorization Card with what appears to be a Social Security Number, is he a DACA student?" More than likely, he is either a DACA student or just either applying for asylum or other type of documentation that only allows for employment authorization.

Yes, it is a Social Security Number, but it is only for employment authorization. So unless the student knows specifically that they have a different type of VISA -- and if we can go back to Department of State and verify that Visa, then we'll know for certain if this is an eligible non-citizen.

So it really - we really need to talk more to the student to see if the student is a DACA student. But not necessarily -- the Employment Authorization is not only linked to DACA status.

And let's go back to the EFC4caster. The EFC is only an estimate when it's figured on FAFSA4caster. So it's not something exact. In California and in Texas undocumented students only complete either the California Dream Act or the (TASA) form -- not the FAFSA. So this again differs by state and this may also differ by school -- so thank you for that.

Colleges find students who are both eligible for aid and ineligible for aid. So students do - so counselors do need to communicate that a student complete the FAFSA.

Again, yes, if it's a scholarship that requires for them to figure the EFC, then, yes they may need a FAFSA. But is also important for the counselor to be involved about the EFC4caster.

Okay, let's go to another question. "What about for those students whose parents do fear - due to fear of immigration, don't file for taxes? Can a student still get financial aid?" If a student cannot report the parents' income and the student is a US citizen and they may qualify for federal financial aid, then they will only be eligible for student loans.

Now in the case where the student is undocumented, then it just depends on the school -- what type of aid is available without reporting the actual financial information from the Tax Return.

TPS -- again if - let's see TPS -- that would be something that you would need to go to that link that talked about earlier on the Department of State Website to see if TPS holders are eligible non-citizens. I know that (Asylee) and (Parole) specifically from Cuba may be eligible non-citizens. But again, we need to be very clear on that link for the Department of State to see what type of Visas are...

Okay. "I believe you have to enter a school name in the FAFSA4caster to get an EFC to print out -- not sure why." I'm not sure about that either -- I haven't done a FAFSA4caster very recently. But it will not transmit, so it may just be so that the school can receive that information from the student.

But the last time that I did a FAFSA4caster, we didn't have to type in the name of the school. Again, I'm not sure about the specific Visas - I'm not - actually yes, the U Visa is the dependent. If the student is a dependent of a U Visa resident, then, yes, the student is an eligible citizen for federal student aid.

And that you can find in the link where I told you for the Department of State. And TPS, again I'm not very sure on that. The - "Can DACA students have checks (cut) out specifically to them?" It depends on the school and how they award their scholarships or institutional aids to the students.

Again, for Federal Pell Grants, DACA students do not qualify for Federal Pell Grants, so it depends on the type of aid that they are receiving and what specifically is the guidelines for that aid and with that school.

"Will there be any additional educational sessions?" We are hoping that we can provide more of these types of sessions specifically for students and parents. But please stay in-tune on our Financial Aid Toolkit and we will try to put all of our training there and any information on additional education.

"Since the 4caster does not verify the student's financial information, how is the EFC a legitimate value?" Well, that's up to the school again. The school itself may ask for specific verification documents -- for example just proof of income. It's really up to the school.

"In Texas some private institutions prefer or require the paper FAFSA. Most colleges or universities will take also the FAFSA." And I cannot read anymore -- "will take the FAFSA form." So it just depends on the school and the state.

"In Washington State, we now have the WASA. This allows our undocumented students to qualify for state aid or for their in-state tuitions." Thank you very much for that. So in Washington State, they now have state aid and in-state tuition for undocumented students.

And for scholarships again, it's very important to be informed about the types of scholarships. If it's an institutional scholarship, it's really up to whoever is managing that scholarship. If it's the college foundation, then it's up to them and up to the students to make sure what is required for that scholarship.

"The FAFSA report's in error when parents enter zeros and they state that they file taxes since they have an ITIN. What should be done in this case?" Okay. So if you file - if you type in all zeros and they did file a Tax Return with an ITIN, you -- instead of answering the question that they filed an IRS 1040 -- you can answer the question that they filed a Foreign Tax Return -- even though they're using the 1040 information and all the financial questions from the 1040, they can answer, "Filed a Foreign Tax Return."

"What if a US citizen student has parents who file taxes using a (false) Social Security Number that they use for employment -- how would you advise the student?" That's a tough one. We really cannot give any legal advice, nor should you -- the counselor. I feel that they need to talk to an attorney -- whoever is filing their taxes -- if it's an attorney or an accountant -- and also if they are already talking to an immigration lawyer.

However, if the student - if this parent does not have a Social Security Number -- again, then we suggest that they put all zeros and that they put the Tax Return for the income that they did receive -- or answer all the questions for the income that they did receive.

Yes -- again, DACA students are encouraged to complete a FAFSA, however it depends on its - each individual college if they qualify for any institutional scholarships and if they should file an electronic FAFSA or a paper FAFSA.

Again, because they don't qualify for federal student aid, the college may require a paper FAFSA only to determine the EFC.

"Will the Webinar recording be available?" Yes, we will try to upload it within the next 14 days, so hopefully it will be ready in about two weeks. Stay tuned to our Financial Aid Toolkit and we normally update it on there.

I have another question. "Some schools do have work programs for DACA students, but they are not part of the Federal Work Study Program. So yes, that's great to know. It's very important to check with policies in every school, but also to share that amongst each other. Build networks so that you can share information.

"TPS students are not eligible non-citizens, but they do receive a Temporary Work Permit." Again, maybe that was just a clarification, but I'm still not sure if TPS students qualify for federal student aid.

There is a question, "Can DACA students receive scholarship physical checks?" Again, I'm not sure if they can receive physical checks. It's up to how the scholarship funds are managed and really up to the school because DACA students do not qualify for a Federal Pell Grant. It's all conducted by the school if they qualify for any scholarships.

Here's a question, "If the students fill out the citizenship part incorrectly because they don't know what to put, could this have legal implications for them?" I think the student - I think it's very important for us to have open communication with our students.

We don't necessarily and we don't want to ask specifically, "Are you a US citizen?" But there are ways to opening the conversation to make them feel that it's okay to share that information with you without judgment.

So then that's when we can inform them of the resources that are available. So for example we can say, "Okay, so if we have students and parents -- today we're going to talk about the importance of filing a FAFSA."

Now not everybody qualifies for a Federal Pell Grant. But the first step for eligible applicants to figure out if they qualify for a Federal Pell Grant is to fill out the FAFSA. If a student meets these qualifications, so - or these guidelines.

So we say, for example, US citizens. Then they may qualify for a Federal Pell Grant. If a student is on this column for these types of Visas or no documents, then they may not qualify for a Federal Pell Grant, but there may be other forms that you can fill out to see if you qualify for scholarships.

So yes there may be legal implications, but again I'm not a lawyer and it's really up to the student. I got a suggestion here -- no, in the FAFSA4caster it is only optional to enter the school name -- it's not required.

"So for undocumented students, do they only qualify for institutional money?" In some states -- yes, they only qualify for institutional money. In other states -- they qualify for in-state tuition. And in other states yet -- like Texas and California -- they also qualify for state financial aid.

Okay we have another question here. "If the student is a citizen but the parents are not -- and they mail a Signature page -- how long will it take for the student to get their Student Aid Report?" So normally we say that it should take the same time -- that's when it's filed electronically after the signed page is received.

If the FAFSA is filed electronically, they print out the Signature page and they submit the FAFSA. Then I think it automatically comes out with the EFC. I don't know exactly how long it normally is taking for the Student Aid Report, but it may only be seven extra days after the electronic filing.

I may have another response for that in a minute. Three to five days for the SAR Report to be generated after the Signature page is received.

"Will PPY have any specific impacts on DACA students?" I'm not sure what PPY means. Let's see, "Do you know if students that graduate from high school from states outside of the five states who provide financial aid can apply and qualify for their aid -- or is it only for that?"

Well, for the states that have in-state tuition and - oh, okay. Let's - I'll come back to PPY in a little bit. I wasn't thinking. For those states that I talked about for in-state tuition and state financial aid, each state has different guidelines for what their students might need. And I think one of them is having graduated from that - from a high school in that state. So if they live in a neighboring state, it's really up to that state.

I think Illinois does provide in-state tuition to a certain mile radius for neighboring states. But it's very important to be informed on your specific state and neighboring states.

"Will DACA - will PPY affect DACA?" So currently we do not know if - PPY will probably not affect eligibility. So if a student currently does not qualify, we don't see -- or we haven't heard anything about it being different when Prior-Prior starts.

And there's another question, "What about students whose parents do not file the Tax Return?" Well, that's a question that needs to be asked to the financial aid office to see what type of income information will receive - will need to be brought in.

There's a question here and I'll see if somebody can answer it for me and I'll respond. Let's see - and yes, you will receive a link at the end of the Webinar, so they will provide a link for a survey. So if you could please answer the survey and I'll try to get the answer on CEU credits in a minute.

Yes, "Will DACA Students receive a Student Aid Report that includes an EFC?" I know last year, yes, these were being calculated with the Student Aid Report. And I think this year they still will be processing the EFCs and figuring a Student Aid Report - or putting it in the Student Aid Report when it's sent back.

They will just get a Student Aid Report, but they will not receive the EFC Number. So it's important to use the FAFSA4caster to get an estimate of the EFC. But it's more important to talk to the college and university to see what exactly they will need to determine if there's any type of institutional aid available.

"We have seen cases where U Visa students were denied financial aid because of their confidentiality of their status when they were not appearing in the system as eligible." Let me go back to that question.

And again on the question for U Visa students, it, "There are 18 states with state - with legislations. However we have heard some states give" - I'm sorry, I'm having technical difficulties here where I can't see the entire question in my screen.

I'll come back to that U Visa, but again we do have in our toolkit the guidance on the type of Visa.

"Is it possible to address the inability for the EFC to be computed with - for DACA students when in the Q & A resource on financial aid for undocumented" - okay, "So is it possible to address the inability to calculate the EFC in the Q & A resources?"

Yes, I can bring that up and you can also suggest that in the survey when we send it to you -- that would be something that we should try to include in the resources in the Q & A section of the handout.

"Again, if a student has a U Visa and can apply for residency in three years, can they apply through FAFSA or Dream Act?" U Visa students do qualify for Federal Pell Grants." You know, I cannot say -- I do not have a legal license to say how -- what benefits them better as far as Dream Act or U Visa, but I do know that U Visa students - holder of U Visas do quality for federal student aid -- or those that are under a U Visa, but of a parent if they are still dependent students.

"Colleges find students who are both eligible for aid - and eligible for aid. So counselors need to communicate that as students complete the FAFSA -- if it's needed for their specific scholarship." Yes.

Counselors should communicate this with the student and us as college access professionals and mentors should again reiterate the importance to the student to be in communication with their financial aid counselor or office in their school.

"We had a case from New York where the student who had DACA and filed their FAFSA were told that their - we have seen cases where student Visas were denied financial aid because" - I need to go to another question.

"If a student's mother has a Social Security Number but their college son has only a U Visa, should he fill out a FAFSA?" Well, the Social Security Number of the mother or the status of the mother really does not have anything to do with a student's filing or qualifying for FAFSA or Federal Pell Grant. So just - it only depends on the student himself.

"I just got information for Arizona may be a possible scholarship list." Again, it's very important to make sure that the resources that we go to are reliable. That's why we do have our toolkit where we have a list of resources.

Again, filing the FAFSA is free -- the name says it. And still some students and parents are paying for FAFSA completion.

I got more feedback here. "Parents that enter all zeros for the Social Security Number will get an error. You can click Continue twice to override and submit the application." Thank you.

"Is the fact that the Department of Education not (sic) have a relationship with USCIS on your materials?" No, that is not printed on my PowerPoint. I didn't think of including that. The Department of Education does not report anything to USCIS, however we can say it many, many times and if a parent is not - is still - does not - is not comfortable with filling out the FAFSA -- even if we type - even if we put it in writing in bold -- it's not really going to change for the parents.

"What if student turns their Signature page in to their financial aid office? Can we correct ISIR and send up a corrective?" I will see if I can get an answer to the question.

We - for any more questions that you might have, we do suggest that you call the 1-800-4-FED-AID. Also, it's very important to use our Financial Aid Toolkit, financialaidtookit.. This is for the counselors and mentors. For students and families, .

And again, the Department of Education has very useful resources for advising students, so please go to our Website. And again, you will receive a link to our survey and you will receive - you will have access to the transcript, as well as many other PowerPoints on our Financial Aid Toolkit.

The transcript for this Webinar will be uploaded in about two weeks, so you will have access to that. And as far as federal changes for financial aid eligibility, it's just important to be in constant contact with our Financial Aid Toolkit Website, our Website, our FAFSA Website. So you will receive information there.

Let's see, I may have time for more questions. For financial - or for U Visas, I would like to go back on my response. Go back to the link that I provided with the specification and the list of Visas for eligibility for federal financial aid. In order to make sure that the U Visa, I may have been answered incorrectly where U Visas are eligible, but I received some feedback that they are not eligible.

So go back to what is printed on the Website. And I apologize for not having all of the questions, but it's good that we're having this dialogue. And I think it's very important to build networks and share information that is working within your communities -- within your states -- and specifically for the (feeder) schools or the colleges and universities that your students are going to.

Making sure that the students are turning in to the financial aid office what they need. As far as loan programs for undocumented students, it really depends on there may be some private loans - it just depends on - we don't have any information of any private loans that are available.

But there may be some out there because anybody can establish a loan program and have their own specifications. But maybe looking at the resources that I shared will uncover some information on private student loans for undocumented students.

Now with that, I want to thank you for attending the Webinar and urge you to please answer the survey if you have time. And keep the - keep up the great work that you're doing. Thank you.

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